Um DPW was happy because now that that does simpler it doesn't prevent you know sidewalk construction in the future or reconstruction or >> in the way of any wheelchair anything. >> So that the the columns were removed and that was set back. So now it's following
that storefront which still is and allow allowed within the form base code. >> Yep. Um, and then also within here they show the um there's a hatched area for uh police parking if they wanted to go underneath here as well um to be able to
park in here and access the building. Um remember last time there was some there's an access point right in here to get to the stairs. >> Yep, I remember. Um, and so, uh, the biggest, uh, those were like the
biggest concerns that came out of the last meeting. I know as well it was brought up was delivery trucks. This also kind of addresses that as well. >> So, if anyone's pulling up, UPS, FedEx, they can pull into this area as well and be able to um, deliver from there,
right? >> Um, and then there also is the municipal lot over here if that's ever needed. Yeah. >> Did you say there was a dimension on that distance before where the parking
area is to the to the vertical curb? >> It' be on the layout sheet, Danny. One one sheet higher. >> It's about 11 ft, I believe, from the from the fog line to the face of the curb. >> Yeah. So, here's the line of >> Okay. So, that's >> here's 11 ft. >> That's from the painted stripe on the
side of the road. Correct. Correct. Yep. Thank you. >> And this still meets ADA compliant. This is still ADA compliant. >> Oh, actually I was going to ask if if the chief would
step up, would that be okay? Because I remember at the last meeting you expressed uh concerns and I just wanted to ask one simple question. Are you happy with the new drawings? Does this work for you? >> Yeah, it addressed my concerns with preventing any type of uh, you know, blockage of the Route 2A Park Street.
>> That was my biggest concern was having vehicles travel around it and try to >> navigate. >> Thank you, sir. >> Thank you. >> I'm sorry, Ken. You had a couple questions. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Um, and then there's a one more plan that I'll show and this is um came from
uh Matt, town engineer. This is what we would like to see for turnout on the um project. Um this just kind of shows where the transitions are the
reveal. Um and so what would happen is the decision plans. Um so that plans so it would just be as plans
because they have as you see on here they already have kind of like what it is. They call it uh the vertical grounded curving along here, but it just doesn't specifically call out the transitions and the radius of that. So um that's what uh we would do with this
plan. Um and in terms of so that's the site before we go to the next two things. Okay. Bring the site plan back up. Yep. So
the the vertical grand curve is shown as it's shown on this and it's shown on Matt's drawing, but nothing is shown at the other entrance of the garage, which I thought would also be grand vertical granite curve shown there. Um, yeah. So that that is correct. That
would also need to comply with our DPW standards, which is a I believe what the radius they have to do vertical granite curving at those radiuses. >> We don't object to that. There's no sidewalk there currently, I believe, in front of one park street. >> Oh, you are correct. That's right.
>> Without grading on their or in front of their frontage. I'm not certain how. >> Yeah, that's that is correct. There is no sidewalk there yet. That's part >> future buildout of the main street project. So, I think that's probably that's why the vertical granite is not
um shown on there. So, we would I'll talk to Matt about that and see if he wants that shown, but I think because of the future buildout of that that's going to get redone in that whole area. Anyways, um let me just confirm with Matt. >> Okay. The other thing was on the sketch
you got when did you see the sketch from Matt? >> We got that this morning from Matt. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, we got that this morning. >> So, um you do understand that this is now shown as a concrete sidewalk detail, not a patuminous sidewalk detail. did see that. Um >> Okay. >> Yep. Um yeah, no objection to that. I I
know I think it is asphalt sidewalk elsewhere on Park Street right now, but um >> but I mean you guys as a prudent measure for the building, you want better looking sidewalk than pummeters anyway, >> I'd say. So, yes, sir. >> Okay. But that was basically what I had. The rest I'm I'm good with. And I didn't
realize this was done by Matt too. You mentioned it because there was nothing on >> I thought you guys just added into the set. So would that mean a change on C3 where is this by two minutes to whatever we call concrete? >> Yeah.
>> All right. That sounds good. >> So Matt obviously when he did this being a wellqualified individual he knows that that this might be like 6 by 18 curve that he's using here something along those lines. >> Yes. Is going to be our standard. Yes.
It's our standard, >> correct? >> Okay. So, you guys are on with that. >> Yes. Yeah, that was our intent. We, like Danny said, we didn't have all the details that he had, but we're happy to accept his guidance on on what he wants there. >> All right. Good. Thank you. That's all I have. >> I'll assume that the word reveal means the amount of the curb that is above the
level of the road. >> Correct. Yep. >> I'll just add to what Ken was saying. At least I would think that the detail should be shown for the right hand side because we don't know the sequence of when the state's work would be done or when this building is going to be done.
So it should be a documented that that's what it should be done. >> Okay. >> My preference would I agree with nature but my preference would be to install now change do but that defines that entrance to the to the building cleanly.
But um we could talk to Matt about it like you said, I guess. But >> yeah, >> I think I think it would make sense for the reveal and the the type of curve to match on both sides of the entrance right now and have the same transition down to zero where it's needed around
the curve. >> And I would I would think we could >> it would just look sharp, you know, and then you pave it in and that's all new. We could condition it that would depend upon who does the work first that it gets done also. >> Yeah. The only problem with that is we
can't tell the DOT what to do for the occur but we have some control here. >> Oh, >> they may change it later. >> Okay. >> That's my thinking on that anyway. >> Yeah. >> Because he's right. Might not get done for who knows when.
>> Yeah. No, it the plan I believe is 2028. >> So >> yeah, >> that's whether or not you know when is if that's exactly when it happens, we don't we we don't know. So you're So you're correct. >> Yeah.
Uh Mr. Chair, I have one comment just on the on the pulloff. I think it's a good solution for this for this project. I just want to bookmark an idea because I know the board is going to consider revisiting formbbased code. >> As a reminder, formbbased code is to
create an integrated look uh across multiple properties. >> Yeah. And I don't have a solution here and I'm not presenting a solution. But I just I appreciate that we have small properties, larger properties. And when
we revisit formbbased code, um this is a we're going to run into this again with small properties adjacent to large properties and do they all how can we um keep them to have an integrated look
and function? Well, I think the prescriptive code does that. You know, they follow code. It's inevitably going to have a similarity of appearance. >> Should should I mean, obviously with the downtown park area, it's a little bit >> more difficult just because of the
parcels in that area and kind of how they look and kind of where their layout is. But that's the intent. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. I'm thinking more of sharing emergency access, >> overflow parking, turnarounds. >> Yeah.
when you have a small lot and a large lot is something something that we should bookmark for that future date. >> I just one final comment. So can we all agree that the engineer you and Matt will work on whatever that detail is on on the right hand side
to get to zero. So down just like the other side. >> Yeah. >> Whatever the requirement is. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> All right. So the next item that we should discuss is the parking agreement.
>> Um the uh so there's a there was a draft document that I had given to the board a couple at the first meeting. Um I can I can pull it up right here. Um,
so this is there's a draft agreement right now with the applicant with the owners. Um, and with 7 depot square. >> Mhm. >> Um, and they would be an agreement for six parking spaces at a cost of 5,040
yearly payable for $70 per month per parking spot and uh so 420 per month. So what the the agreement right now would be is the length of the leash um shall be a term of 12 months starting October
starting the first day of October 2025 ending the last day of September 30th 2026 automatically renewing until and unless terminated by mutual agreement of the parties. um rent. The so the rent is we just discussed the terms of the landlord
represents and warrants that the authority and permission to lease out the said parking spaces listed above. Uh the six parking spaces shall be specifically designated by landlord with proper lining and marking and may only be reassigned by landlord during the
agreement upon the uh agreement by the tenant. Um >> sorry I'll ask you. >> Yeah. So, uh there's going to be um overnight parking. Obviously, a tenant uh shall have 24-hour access to those
parking spaces. Um and then the next thing is the uh parties agreed to going forward with the lease is a long-term lease for five years plus five years to secure building requirements in the town of air uh which shall become autorenewing uh renewing fiveyear terms
unless terminated by mutual agreement of the parties or as otherwise set forth herein. Um so the one con you know one of the comments that the um town council had had was um the first the the the
agreement only had is it is only for one year on the first thing. Um they they suggested that it should be five years right off the bat and then the auto renew one. >> Okay. Um as well as providing a drawing
from as to where the parking spaces are just so that you know everyone is on the same page as to where the >> exhibit. >> Yeah. An exhibit. Exactly. An exhibit as part of this that would show where the uh parking spaces are on the on 7 depot square.
>> Sure. Okay. >> Um just Yeah. I just want to pull Um, >> you lost this the screen with >> Yeah, I just have town council's email up. So,
>> Oh, sorry. >> Can I ask a question then on this? Um, do we only need two spots because there's a six requirement? >> Yeah. So, legally they're required to have >> there's four on-site. >> Correct. It would be two more offsite,
but they have a total of six, so they would have a total of 10 spaces. >> Okay. But they only need two, >> correct? Yeah. Yep. >> And and they they do know that. Yeah. >> Okay. Yep. They're they're aware of that. That was
>> um so one other thing um that town council said is so in the event that any shared parking agreement approved here is discontinued or any associated conditions such as but not limited to any change in the use of properties to a
greater category of parking demand. The applicant shall notify this special permit granting authority. Well, so at this point it's not a special permit that they're requesting anymore. Um this is uh you know because uh >> they already yeah it was before so they
already com they'll already be complying with the requirement. This is an added um so what I'll have to actually is it still a special permit? I'll have to confirm because they're still requesting to have additional spaces off
site. So, I that's one thing I just need to have the uh town council confirm is because it's not required anymore. This is just something that they're they want added uh that they're still going to continue going with. Is it still a special permit or not?
>> Is it a special permit? Permit >> or is it a It might be a waiver because you've brought that up before. >> Yeah. To to have >> to be able to have your parking met offsite. Mhm. >> It's a waiver or it's in the section 91
or something. >> Yeah, it's a special permit. And then I think >> to be able to have the parking off site might be w might be if it's additional, it might be a waiver. >> Okay. >> I that's just the one thing I have to confirm with them.
>> I'm sorry. What did council say about the Did they say something about the five fiveyear? >> Yeah, that's that's what we had. um their suggestion. >> So their suggestion so the um the reciprocal shall um be executed by
all parties in order to um ensure that the long-term use of the shared parking and the agree and the agreement shall be acceptable by uh to the special permit granting authority. The lease term is first started with one year but then states after the first year it's five years of term renewal. This needs to be
clarified um with the planning board and we'll need to determine that if if that is long-term use uh long-term joint use of the shared parking. Additionally, the lease should include the owner of 3 to five park LLC.
So to interpret that for my understanding is this mutual a mutual does dissolving this mutually would require then also um the town >> because it it would be a special uh if
it's a at this point it was because it was a special >> but I >> if it's a condition as if we put it in as a condition of the decision then yes it would be if they want to mutually >> I guess I Yeah, that's what I would favor is that the town be also a party
to dissolving that agreement. >> Okay. Yeah. So, excuse me. When we So, when we write the decision, we'll be able to include language in the decision regarding the that they meet the shared pocketing requirement in such and such a
fashion by having this document. Yeah, >> I'm I'm not working as their attorney, but it would be clear that the document would not start until their first occupancy permit or something along those lines rather than the way it's written with the date. >> I mean, it's a draft that was draft form when they had submitted it. So, I'm sure
it would be I we would get it a and it would be conditioned that we get a final form. >> Yeah. A final draft. >> So, we have a final review and final approval by the town a review. >> Town council. Yeah. Town council would have to take a final review before it gets executed. They're making us aware
of the fact that there's six bases that are committed to them offsite. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thanks. >> So, yes, it would be conditioned that, you know, the final document would be submitted to town to me for town council review and then when they get executed,
a copy would get sent over to us. >> Okay. >> Yes. I'm sorry, Kathy. Yes. >> Um, I have a series of like small questions. Good. >> So, on the plan you had it was uh three spaces and one accessible. When you say accessible, is that like a
striped handicap spot? >> So, it's it's a handicap spot. So, the striping is typically done um on a space adjacent to it to provide space for them to get in and out. So, since the striping is already here, it's not necessary. It's not necessary between
these two. >> Okay. Sorry, that that could be a misuse of language on my end. So, it's a handicap spot. Okay. Um, and so is it still 12 apartments? >> Uh, yes. Yes.
>> Okay. And so the calculation of five required parking >> spaces comes from >> six. >> Six required. >> Six are required. >> Six are required and one is permitted to be a handicap spot. So, it's it's
actually I believe because they're under um the ADA is I believe 15 spaces is one you when the accessible then I think kicks in at that point. I'd have to confirm with the building commissioner, but they are they're having they're adding one in automatically I believe is
is the the thing here. >> That's right. And we're and we're still in excess of the traditional if you will parking spaces with the >> I guess I'm just trying to understand. If you have 12 unit uh units there, >> it's it's it's I originally thought it
was one well parking spot per two units was the c the math. >> Mhm. And that is and and one is just handicapped. But that means that you you can you assign a unit to a handicapped spot like >> that was part of that was actually one
of the discussions that we had had um at the last meeting was how are we going to how are you guys going to handle have because this was one of the police chief's concern was how are you going to handle people coming in and out of there trying to see if there's any spaces and they would assign each spot. So whether
or not, you know, if there is a handicap accessible at that point, I think that that would kind of be up to them to decide if they move forward with that being handicap accessible. Um or if there's not, then assigning that to someone who's not.
>> Sorry, I guess I didn't I didn't get the the assignment. And then the the next question was the the commercial space. >> So does the commercial space get any parking? I do not believe that's intended. I think the parking space were provided is providing is just for the residents.
>> For the residents. Okay. >> Yeah. Businesses aren't required to um they're not required to have parking spaces. >> Yeah. I it was more just that I on the plans I think that were originally presented, it was presented as like a cafe or a bakery, something where you would imagine there being significant amount of deliveries. And my concern was
that you might want to reserve a parking spot for delivery. >> Yeah. So that was more of a placeholder. I think someone said that at the initial meeting as well, but um this is a very small commercial space. Um it was brought up at the meeting last week. There's no kitchen in this. So the amount of deliveries we don't think is going to be significant.
>> Okay. And with the reduction in the size of the building, the commercial space is still there. >> Still there. Correct. Yeah. On the first floor. >> I don't think there was a reduction in the size of the building. >> And yeah, no, the building >> there wasn't. Okay. I I misunderstood. I thought you were showing that in order
to make space for the pull out there was a reduction in >> No, there was just a reduction in the sidewalk. >> Sidewalk. >> Yeah. And and the overhang with the columns too. >> So the actual square footage has not decreased. >> Correct. >> Okay. Thanks. All I wanted to know.
>> So the just review again the requirement is six parking spaces under the mathematics. >> Yep. They're telling us that they're going to end up with 10 sparking spaces, including one accessible parking space. >> Yep. >> Six being offsite, three regular parking
spaces that apply to the size requirement and one accessible that also will comply with the size requirement for accessible space. >> Yes. >> With the appropriate signage and whatever else goes along. Thank you. >> And and In the last in the meeting that
we had, uh they they did talk that they would have to assign the parking spaces to prevent any of those, >> right? >> You know, people pulling in and out and that becoming a log jam. They would just have them assigned and it would prevent any of those issues. >> So, some won't be assigned here under
the building. Some will be assigned around a corner. >> Correct. What else? Um, so at this point that's kind of all that was all that was kind of left open. Um,
so I think at the next meeting what we would do is, you know, so between now and the next meeting I I get I'll get with Matt and I'll we'll discuss this area down here um the connection point the this you know the transition area
and then um from there uh we'll also I'll start working on a decision as well um with the special conditions And Ryan, did you have any questions or comments about um the comments left for you from DPW dated January 12th or is it
too early for you to make a comment? >> Um additional comments from DPW or is that today? >> No, that's project. Wrong project. >> I say I thought we were good. >> Nope. Wrong project. >> All right. Wasn't there something from his project? >> No.
Yeah, Ryan did provide a letter. Nope. No, that's >> all right. >> That's their letter. >> That's their letter. Okay, >> that's it. >> That's all we have. >> All the other stuff is >> Oh, this got mixed. I mixed it in the wrong Okay, that's what I did. I I
apologize. No need. >> Sorry about that. >> All of that is is a Ryan Park drive. >> I got mixed in. All right. It got shuffled in the wrong file. Sorry. That was my fault. >> So, um Okay. Good. Right.
>> Yep. Uh we'll open up for public comment specifically to 3 to 5 park. Anyone in the room have any questions or comments hearing? None. I'll direct it to Zoom. Um I don't see anybody on Zoom. So let's uh let's move on to the next one.
>> Okay. So uh we would continue this to our next meeting which is uh January 27th. Uh I make a motion that we continue the public meeting 35 street till January 27th >> public hearing. >> Public hearing to January 27th.
>> Second. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan. >> I. >> Julie. >> Yes. >> Chair votes. I. >> We'll see you uh in two weeks. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. Have a good night. >> See you. >> Right.
>> All right. Next thing is are we have we're opening the public hearing, right? >> Yes. >> So, um I assume that there the applicants >> they are here >> are here and they can approach the table. >> Good evening board members. I'm Joe Calvo.
Uh design engineering Shawn Malone, but I'm going to ask my son Michael to come up because >> I don't have enough room. I'm going to sit in the audience. >> That sounds fine. >> So, we need a motion. >> You want to open? Yeah, I'll make I'd like to make a motion that we open the public hearing for Orion Park Drive, map
7, parcel 738. >> Seconded. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none, Ken? >> I. >> Kathleen, >> yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie, >> yes. >> Chair votes eye. The public hearing is open. Welcome, gentlemen. >> Danny, uh, you want to set this up for us and let us know what we can
accomplish today with this. >> Um, so the, um, this project is a form C subdivision modification. So, it's the modification to a previously approved subdivision. Uh, this project, this uh
subdivision was approved in 2003. Um, and the design was Orion Park Drive. The the applicants, they're keeping the name. There was an overall plan um subdivision plan that showed uh several
lots as part of that and a um storm water system as part of the roadway. Um the applicant is just coming in to modify the uh roadway and the storm water system associated with the roadway as well as the utilities um to build it
out to uh current uh subdivision standards. Um at a later date, the applicant will come back for the individual lots to uh modify those. Um I don't believe lot lines will be changed. So, those would most likely come in as
site plan review, not as a subdivision modification. Um, here, because it's the road um they're ch, you know, they're bringing the roadway to subdivision standards today, the road is a modification to a subdivision.
>> Is this a commercial subdivision versus a residential subdivision? Okay. Cuz I'm Okay. And I I wanted to say it out loud so that everyone would be aware because it doesn't look like whole bunch of lots or very large lots. So it looks like large footprints. So these are obviously intended for commercial
>> industrial zoned. >> Industrial. So I'm going to show I can if you look up on the um uh on the uh screen you can see this is what it currently looks like. This is a Ryan Park Drive. You can see the subdivision already shown as a layout. Uh but right
now what it's being done is it's used kind of like as a driveway access to this building right up here on west. >> Just one of them, right? >> Yep. And so what would happen is they'd be fully built out for this including the um storm water system associated with the road. Uh this is in the um
industrial area of uh Westford Road. So this is the substation um for uh National Grid. You have Nemco Way down here. So this is the that's that area right here. It would be a industrial/commercial
um uh subdivision. Um so currently uh so the approved set of plans I can pull those up. That was the approved set of plans and then the proposed set of plans is shown right
here. Um there is uh a wetland associated with this project which will is currently before planning um conservation right now um and that pro that review for the NOI is currently ongoing.
>> Um you can see the uh buildout of the road here um with the utilities and showing the um storm water system which is a basin >> that large basin to the left. >> Yep. is it's going to have water come down here, the storm water into this for bay and then it'll go into this uh basin
infiltration basin right here. Um the uh make sure uh this is just so yeah this is would just be for roadway as of right now um at this point. And then the we did get
comments out to the applicant um uh today or I believe I think today um that you guys all have in front of you. So they have not had a chance to respond and a few of them as well. So what I would do right now I think is just going
to turn it over to the engineer and let them uh walk through >> walk us through. Okay. >> That would be great. Thank you. >> Sure. Great. Uh for the record my name is Sean Malone. with Oak Consulting Group, the civil engineer. Um, and uh, I don't have much more to add to Mr.
Ruiz's uh, summary. I think he he pretty much summed it up, but um, just to hit some kind of key points. Um, the original subdivision uh, called for a 580 foot long culde-sac road. Uh, approximately half of that is complete
as shown on that aerial. So, we're here to talk about the the completion of the the rest of it. Um, as Danny mentioned, the design has been brought up to current subdivision standards. It is very similar to the design that you saw from the original approval. Storm water
basins in the same spot. Um, it's it's pretty much the same idea. Um, as far as the storm water goes, we are adding approximately 10,000 square feet of impervious to complete the road. Again, this is 280 ft with an 80ft culde-sac at
the end. Um so we will be capturing all the storm water uh in treating it pre-treating it 44% per the D requirements for rapid perk and within um critical areas the environmental
areas and then discharging it to an infiltration basin. So everything would be going back into the ground. Uh we did prepare a storm water study and submitted. Um we are showing that we are compliant with all mass D uh storm water standards and that we do have no
increase in the the rate and volume of runoff from the site. Um with respect to the utilities of the road there are uh there is water and gas within the Orion Park right now. There is a sewer stub from Westford Road that
just comes onto the uh Orion Park Road. Um we'll be extending all those throughout the uh roadway for future connection. Um so just to kind of give a little little more and as Danny's showing right now that that was the uh
the wetland there that's an isolated wetland. It is also classified as a potential vernal pool. Uh we did meet with the uh conservation commission last week. >> Excuse could you point out on where the a potential vernal pool would Oh, it's
it's that weird looking circle behind you. >> And if you you go out there, it's just kind of a hole in the ground. It's just a low point. >> Um I honestly don't know if it was excavated out at some point, but um it's there. Uh and uh it is listed on the
mass mapper as a potential burnup pool. So we're obviously treating it as such. Uh we met with the conservation commission last week uh for initial hearing. We are doing a sitewalk with them on Saturday. >> Saturday. >> Um so that is underway and we've also
filed a portion of this property is also within the uh NHSP critical habitat. So we have filed with them for their review as well. Um, and I think that pretty much sums up
where we're at. As uh Danny mentioned, we did receive comments from uh I think it was planning, fire department, um the DPW, and I believe maybe the police department. Um we haven't had a chance to really dive into those, but did take a quick look. Didn't really see anything
too concerning. So, we will obviously be addressing those, making any necessary revisions, and providing any additional information to respond to those. Um, with that, I'd like to turn it back over to you, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you. So, just a cursory look. It seems to me that it's pretty much
straightforward. The the the only tricky things is you have identified the proximity of the wetlands, >> the possible vernal pool, and of course, the endangered species. But otherwise, you didn't see ledge or any other weirdness along that road, the intended road path or anything like that? >> No, we actually we excavated uh I think
four test pits in November. Um some very close to the road, some of more in the middle of the site. And what we found was all real nice coarse sands and gravel. Um there is a little bit elevated groundwater. Um but definitely
workable and uh it should should work well with the proposed storm water system. >> You said earlier that the place at the verna pool might have been do you think that was a sand pit at one time that they were excavating that some formally? >> This has been farmed
years. Maybe was made for, you know, for feeding the the cattle or pigs or whatever may have been there. Who knows? >> You can kind of see it right there. >> Yep. Oh, there it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, that's it. You know, I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity. Okay,
thank you. My colleagues, any questions? So you was the comment made that the existing Orion Drive section does comply with town subdivision standards at this time or you only taking
>> the sound division standards from that point to the end the sub >> from that point to the end. We're not proposing to reconstruct all of Orion Park Drive. I cannot say one way or another if if the subdivision standards
changed from 2000 or not. Okay. Um I I can say that uh it does comply with the width. It is wide enough. I cannot comment on the actual roadway construction in any way. >> Okay. So you were aware of that that >> only it's going to comply.
>> So that's that's a question that I have to talk to Matt about. So yes, I am I was aware based on the plans. Um >> that's what I saw too. The question is does because curving is required on our new um our >> sidewalk
>> sidewalk and stuff like that. So >> that's a question that I have for Matt. >> Wouldn't the same question involve if the town were willing to accept the road? Could they accept a road that only is partially completed under the new subdivision regulation and formally
completed under an old regulation or we don't even know what the reg >> I don't >> we don't know if anything complied with the old regulation because it's done years ago I guess but >> yeah I >> look it up >> we can look it up I mean it was built in so it was approved in 2003
I mean I don't know if anyone from the DBW would expand was even here it wasn't >> so I you know I mean these high school. >> You you guys you thought about this. >> You thought about this. I was like, "Oh, >> I don't know.
>> I don't know how old Dan is." >> But a building commissioner would have signed. >> No. Would have been >> signing. No. >> Back then >> they just could have put it in and everyone said fine. >> I don't know. Well, it's it's I'll I'll Matt and I will have to do some some
research into that. But if it's if it's wide enough, it's more of not the not expanding the road. It's more of the curbing and >> I mean sidewalk stuff. >> I was thinking more of the drain storm water. The storm water work that's shown here is strictly on the new work. >> Yeah. And
>> if I may comment on that, uh it's already in place. >> There is no storm water infrastructure with this portion of the road. It all drains onto lot five. The one um what is it listed as 77 there? The other side. Yeah. It all drains over there. So,
we're we're dealing with all of the entire roadway drainage on our our property. >> So, they're saying that the water sheet flows this way, >> right? She flows. So that >> but the just for clarification the
the storm water work that's being shown on these plans is strictly in the new portion of the work meaning the catch basins and the storm water that you're putting in the detention basin and so forth. It does not address any other storm water. >> Correct. However, I will say that we're
not changing any of the storm water running off onto lot five. When that lot is developed, then that'll have to be dealt with. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, y >> the only the only question that Ken brought up whether or not the
town can accept it as that. >> That's a good question. I don't know. Yeah. Well, you I I'm just assuming that the applicant would want the town to accept the road when you're finished. >> Absolutely. >> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> And can we presume that there's going to be future applications? I mean, the reason >> Yeah. >> to to other lots do this work >> is to have these other lots tailable or >> usable. >> Yeah. So it's reasonable that lot five is
going to come before the board. >> Yes. Based on my discussions that there's potential for couple >> this growing this building out this way. >> Yeah. So a storm water review will be done on lot five at some future date.
>> Yep. >> Correct. >> Interesting. Um one other uh the road is going to get excavated all the way westward. It will to put in the >> the sewer sewer. >> Well, not always. And that's one of the
DPW comments that the the stub actually comes onto the property. So, we won't go all the way out to Westward, >> but the the existing road will get excavated in this case. >> A portion of it. Yes. >> Same thing apply with the water. you have to excavate all well your notes
indicated you were going to put in 6 in but the DPW came back today and said it's going to be 8 in >> 8 in correct >> so we'll update that but um where we're tying in right now that's where there's an existing hydrant so that that's basically where the 8 in main ends right now
>> okay >> so we'll meet it there >> so it's just beyond the existing paving where the the gate valve is on the valve >> it >> yes or it actually is in the >> in the pavement. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I see it. >> But we will be reconstructing some of
that pavement to grade and and make the transition to the new section. >> Question for Danny. Um, there's usually a simultaneous application for the storm water permit with the site plan. We didn't talk about that.
>> It's not in our um hearing. >> Um I pretty sure it was notified as that. >> Yeah, we we did submit that together. >> Pretty sure it was notified that way >> in Okay. You mean in the advertisement? >> Yeah, in the advertisement. Let me just
um >> Mr. Chairman, what I'm mentioning is we not only >> I know. Yeah. Yeah. Good question. >> Um yeah, to consider a modification into a definitive plan and a storm water application submitted by um Sawyer M um
May LLC. So in the application I mean in the notification it was notified properly. The agenda did not uh we did not include it on the agenda. Um so I would suggest that the board also open
that as well. open the storm water. They need a motion for that. >> It was proper. It was properly notified. >> Okay. >> And you have the documents. >> Yeah. I I just pulled it up. >> Okay. >> I just uh um >> the application. >> Yep. This So, this is I have the
application. >> So, you need a motion to open the storm water application? >> Yeah, because the website also has the storm water application. >> I'll make the motion. I I'd like to make a motion to open the storm water application for Ryan Park >> map 7 parcel 7 8 7 and 38. >> Seconded.
>> Any further discussion? Hearing none. Ken >> I. >> Kathleen >> yes. >> Nathan >> I. >> Julie >> yes. >> Chair votes I got the opening of storm order. >> Nice on that Ken. >> Yeah I mean Ken asked the big question I
have was whether the work extended to the previously constructed street. So, I appreciate having that update. Um, do we need to go any any further into Oak's um cover letter or narrative? Looks like you covered the whole thing.
I think we uh I think we hit everything. What wasn't one of the DPW questions was everything's going to be underground cloud. There's no overhead utilities, but didn't >> Yeah, there's no there is >> there's no subdivision that we would allow overhead. >> Yeah, we don't allow that
>> anymore. Yep. >> Yeah, this this I think we summarized all of this. >> Storm water resource area, >> utilities, access and circulation. Um, yeah, we we already went through all of that.
>> Okay. >> So, is there anything else or we uh want to wrap this into next meeting? >> We got to open up to the public. Okay. >> I just want to make sure my my colleagues >> um they haven't had a chance to kind of go through them. So, I don't want to go through any comments until they have had a chance to.
>> So, I guess I this was excuse me taking I'll take it a different angle. conservation submitted some review to us. >> Yes. >> You want to check what for the record what they submitted to us? Conservation records. >> Um do you if you want to read through
them, you can. Um but conservation also hasn't had it. They've only had one meeting. Okay. >> So they haven't had a chance to get through that either. >> Okay. >> So I just >> I was interested mostly in number six. >> Um let me just open it up. The electric
service Number six, >> the first one there. >> Um, all alternative methods for installation of a storm water drainage pipe being should be considered to limit the work near the pro uh the potential
vernal pool wetland like directional drill. >> Um, yeah, >> I think that's more within their perview, not really for us to say. um because that's dur that's within the you
know wetland buffer and the you know veral pool buffer not really kind of for us to you know say which way we would prefer that's more in there up to them so I I would not want to speak on behalf of the conservation commission
>> okay thank you >> just um one last thing form C is new it's definitely new to Okay. >> It uh so it may seem new. It's it's uh we've only had one other which was the strike. >> Okay.
>> What? >> Oh, interesting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um so just can you just give me a sense of what we're trying to what what the approval would look like?
>> So it's a normal uh subdivision approval. Uh basically going to have the same uh general conditions as we typically always have. >> Okay. >> Um the findings will be slightly different. It'll be more towards a subdivision um the the subdivision standards one which I would follow kind
of like Stratton Hill um and any special conditions that the board may have. >> Okay. So, it's not a definitely not a minor modification. It means >> No, it's it's a it's a major modification >> modification. And so, we're going to see all the same bullets.
>> Yep. >> Yeah. And and what would end up happening obviously is because their subdivision plans they're they would eventually get you know finalized myars signed by the board and then recorded at the registry. Okay.
Um I know the applicant is most likely aware of this board. Would you like to put up the GIS for the board to see that there's a conservation restriction? It's not on the property. >> It It is.
>> It's off of where the subdivision is. >> Hold on. >> It This is You're talking about up here. >> Uh then I'm not sure where you're talking about. >> You have to put it up with the mass mapper, not with this actually.
>> Okay. Mass it, right? >> Yeah, we're aware. >> It's on your property. >> Yeah, it is. >> Well, out of it. So, just to clarify, Sawyer May is pursuing purchasing lots four and five. Those are the ones closest to 66 on the uh what is it? The
west side of Orion Park Drive. Anything happening to the east and to the north on those lots? Those are being retained by the owner. We have no knowledge what their plans are. >> These two lots, >> correct? >> So, it's they're only here for these,
>> but their frontage is on this road that we're building. Yeah, >> that back lot. So you're saying 737 is not part of this project. >> Correct. >> 737 and 736 are not part of this project. O >> only to the extent just to be perfectly clear 737
does have the drainage easement where the storm water basin is going. Um just on just right next to 738. >> Yeah. >> Um but that would be the only portion of 737 that would be affected. And again, that's an existing drainage ement that's
been there for 20 years. >> It's on mass map, but there's a CR. >> Yeah. But that it's not >> on the lot these days. >> Correct. There's nothing. And even if it was when they would come back for those lots, then if they were to buy those lots, then at that point it'd be an
issue. But as of right now, it's not anything for the board to consider. >> Thank you. Any other comments from my board colleagues? >> Like to open up for public comment for the people in the room for >> Orion Park Drive. Anyone Anyone in the
meeting room? >> Don't see uh in Zoom. Anyone on Zoom have any questions or comments regarding Orion Park? >> Um I don't see any hands. Oh, no hands. All
>> right. So, we need a motion to extend to the next meeting, which was it January 27th. >> I'd like to make a motion to continue the public hearing for Orion Park Drive to our next uh planning board meeting on January 27th. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. Ken
>> I. >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan, >> I. >> Julie? >> Yes. >> Chair votes I. >> Thank you, gentlemen. We'll see you at the next meeting. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Um, regarding the project status updates, do you have a preference in order? U let's just run through the
first two and then we'll get to Lincoln Hill at the end. >> That's fair. >> Uh so the first one is um Straten Hill. Uh so for that one um they did submit their quarterly um their uh quarterly report
that up. Um, and while I'm pulling this up as well, they did um, Attorney Collins, I spoke to him, um, yesterday, I believe. Yeah, yesterday.
They told me that um the project did receive their letter from Misa CMP >> um and that they're they don't require any modification um that they you know they any modification of the of the
permit but that they're going they did get approval for the location of the plan of the turtle habitat being moved. But so they're gonna send us send me a copy of the the plan new location. >> I'm gonna ask the people in the hall to
to move it out. Okay. Thank you. >> Um so uh the Yes. So they are going to um provide me with a a plan showing the new location of that. Um >> Okay, good.
And uh you've been out have you been out there recently? Last I was out there was maybe three weeks ago. It was more than more than that maybe. >> I I have not had a chance since I've been back yet. Um but um I have I have I I plan to get out there um this week. >> Um >> lots going on.
>> Yeah, there's a lot going on. >> I'm trying to I don't know why my Adobe is not working. Hold on one second. Um, all right. So, this is from Dillison Roy. Um, as required by condition 41, the planning board decision, Delison Roy has provided the following construction
update for the Stratton Hill Open Space Residential Development. As the date of this letter, the contractor has commenced and completed the following construction activities. Water line tied into White Road with the three-way gate. uh 530 linear feet of eight 8 inch water
mane installed from right road to uh station 5 um 50 uh three uh way gate installed uh at 530 um chlorination tap installed sewer line tied into right road sewer manhole one
uh sewer manhole uh sewer line installed to station 550 as well um station uh sewer manhole number six sewer inverts installed and inspected. Sewer manhole one and six. Catch bases and drain manholes at the entrance have been
relocated. Those were the ones that were existing. They were being moved. Um, >> when he uses the word, excuse me, Danny, when he uses the word the inverts were installed and inspected, should he have said that that's inspected by DPW or is it inspected by him?
>> Um, I I will confirm on that. Typically what it's done is it's inspected by um by the uh engineer of record. >> Okay. >> And they submit letters to the DPW. >> Okay. >> Um the DPW only goes out there to um
witness certain stages of the project, certain things of the project. >> Uh pipe from the drain manhole at the entrance of the existing infiltration area has been cleaned by any storm water. um pipe drain manhole on right road is to existing drain manhole on
site has been cleaned by um any storm water catch basin and the drain manhole at station two um have been moved and set to a new elevation. Uh two lines in the catch basin and drain manhole remain to be installed. Road and sidewalk to uh
subgrade elevation um station 0 to 500. What? >> Okay, keep going. I know this is this this did come up with us with we did discuss this shoulders almost set to grade or station zero to five 550 um
burm in the infiltration basin one has been built drain pipe not installed yet um blasting complete and material process from uh from stations 1950 back to 1350. Um, and that and then they've
also been, you know, submitting their SWIPS as well. >> When they say blasting, they may only mean blasting of that section complete. They don't miss out. >> All right. Thank you. >> So, I know uh Ken did bring up a question about whether or not the road is wide enough. Um, I have not had a
chance to go out there. Well, I believe they it was built they're not going to have built it not wide enough. So, I will go out there and take a look at it. I know Ken had a um >> only a call and had a concern. >> It's only a visual. That's all it is.
>> Don't hurt to look. >> It feels like it's one lane to meal entry with two lanes. That's all. >> It's quite wide to me today, but >> yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean, it's the boulevard entrance. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 50 ft. Well, the road is not
>> engineer. We can talk about this >> anyway. It's only a visual doesn't mean anything. >> The road is not >> 16 yards. >> The whole >> It looked wide. >> The right way. >> Yeah, the right wider today than it has in a while. >> Okay, good. Thank you. That was great.
>> Can I ask about a project adjacent to this or is this not a good time? I know we had asked for an update before about the pump the sewer pump station on right way >> and I I had provided my visual update to the board um and there had been so much movement and we had been told that it
would end in November. Um nothing has happened since then and we have a large loud generator that's smelly. Um >> I will talk to Matt and see where they are. >> They're doing their best to keep it running and heating. I know it's like heating the sewer pump above ground.
It's winter. >> Yeah. >> I I don't know why. Last time the neighborhood had been updated, we had been told it would be done in November. So, we're now in January with >> a lot of machinery, a lot of trucks. I'm sure Dan is doing his best, but I would love an update. >> Okay.
>> Just because I'm also being asked and and it's >> hard to watch. >> Yeah. I will um reach out to Matt and to Dan. >> Thank you. >> Anything else on Strat? >> Sorry, I know. We need to know about
>> um 42 Park Street. Um so for this one, we had a meeting last Friday with the um the app, the developer, and the engineer. Um it was myself, Matt, Mike, and Heather. Um
the we had a list of of concerns of things that needed to be addressed. Um we raised all those concerns. The biggest one obviously to us was the uh storm water. So the storm water was not going where it was supposed to be going. Um I
can >> Oh yes. Yes, that's right. >> Show the board. >> It was sheeting the wrong way. >> Yes. >> So this is ser. >> Whoa.
So you'll see this is running along the b the the Cape Cod BM. All this water is not specifically only from their site, just so you're aware. But no water's going into the catch basin. >> Wonderful construction, John. >> So this is our biggest concern right now
is getting this addressed. So, right now the plan is they're going to meet with the the guy who did the new paving that fixed the original problem and they're going to look to try to bowl this area so that the water's going towards the catch
basin. So, give a little bit more of a elevation towards the b the the area where there um where it starts going down. Lift it up a little bit more so that it pitches towards the catch base. >> What else you >> earlier in the evening? We talked about the question of what's a minor
modification, what's a major modified. >> Yes, this is a major modification. This will be going back to the board um with a summary of everything that changed >> just so that everyone understands what happened. A lot of these changes
occurred without my knowledge, without Heather's knowledge, and without DPW's knowledge. A lot of these changes just were done >> on the in the field >> and we came we figured it out after the those changes were done. We went out there and there's a new wall, no
sidewalk. What happened here? So, a lot of these changes happened without us being told. So, um and that's not typically what happens. Most engineers reach out to us, hey, this is what's currently going on. This is the change that we're looking at. None of that was
happening. Um, I don't believe the engineer of record was on site very much. I believe that a lot of this was handled by the GC without engineering. >> It was handled by the owner's personal oversight. >> Yes. >> Lack of supervision
or she >> whatever. >> Yes, that as well. So, there's a couple of other concerns that have come up um as well as um over by the the water coming down the hill um where the Let me just pull up the plan.
Um I don't know why Hold on one second. I don't know why mine is working. Let's see. Here we go. So the water that's coming down the hill here, >> yeah, >> it's just going up the concrete pad.
>> So what's going to happen is they're going to put a burm around the concrete pad to make it so when the water does come down here, it'll go back up this way and just follow along where the current water's going. Um the So that'll address that concern.
This area right here says gravel. It's not supposed to be gravel. It's supposed to be wetland mix. that's going to be addressed as well. Um, this light pole that's right here or supposed to be a light pole, um, they did not put in the light pole. The base is still there, but
the sens and the sensors there, so they can't remove it. So, what they're going to do is they're going to put ballards there to prevent anyone from driving into it. Um, the uh, and then there's a a gate that they're supposed to put in
here. That's part of the modification as well. They're going to request to not put it in. U the fire um the fire chief agrees that it it shouldn't be in there. Originally, they had put it in there because there was question on whether or not they had rights to access here
through um 44 Park Street. They have a they have an easement. They show they've showed it to me. There's a a plan that shows where they can access as well if there's an exhibit that goes with it. Um, so a lot of these uh concerns uh are
being addressed as well as the radius the radi up at the entrance. Those will be addressed. Um, and then some other minor things like the lights all need to be shifted down a little bit because they're kind of they're up. They're angled a little up and so we've had a
consu a complaint that they're shining into someone's house across the street. So that's going to be addressed as well. Um, and so what's going to happen is, uh, there's also some conservation stuff that need to be addressed, like planting. So, they're going to get all this done and then they're going to come
back with a formal submission with everything to walk the board through the changes and what's been done and and how they got there. >> Okay. So, they obviously can't do anything now with the weather, >> correct? >> We're talking like after April 1st. Um, that's
>> they can't put the >> They can That's my Yeah, that's my thought. >> Okay. >> Yeah. All right. >> Not not not how we wanted this project to go. We've been, you know, Matt and I
and Heather have been kind of trying to get on top of this one, but just getting the the right weather to be out there to witness to take pictures and stuff like that and videotape it just hadn't worked out. And now we just we, you know, while I was gone, Matt finally got the chance
to get a video of it. So, we set up the meeting when I got back and now we're we're, you know, full steam ahead at least. >> Good. I just want to say thank you because we've been asking for these kinds of updates for a long time since I've been on this board. So, it's really nice that you have them always standing
and to not have to be at the project, but to hear them and to the three of you like to Matt and Heather to also just be included and to see video footage so I don't have to be out there in the rain on a random day. Like all of that is really awesome and and just appreciative.
>> Thank you. >> Invite me. I'll get one of those cheap ones. >> Yeah, come on. >> There was some concern with the handicap parking. >> Yes, that >> So, that was another concern. It has not been addressed. Um, it has not been >> addressed or resolved.
>> It has not been resolved. It was addressed with them. It was brought up several times. Um, and then there was that email chain that I had put you on it. They said that they were going to stop. They did stop for a short amount of time and now it has progress started back up again. So,
So, I'll defer to the board when you want to start enforcement. >> Okay. >> I mean, I think we were trying to seek compliance. >> I would say now. >> Yeah. I would now. >> Yes. >> Because it's been it's been quite a long time that we've been telling them to not do it. >> Would the board be inclined to send the
property owner a letter saying that the police department's been instructed to enforce? >> Yeah. Can we do that, Dan? >> Yeah, I can I can do that. >> Perfect. Can you just see me a copy as well? >> Y. Thank you. >> Thank you to that. I wasn't aware of the background. >> Um, there are I have pictures.
>> People just clock anywhere they want. >> I think it's in the uh it's in the rain video. >> Yeah. Yeah, you can actually see it. Um, >> I was looking at the water. >> Um, so you can see where Let me just get a good one.
>> Right there. There they are. Yeah, I'm just trying to get the one that I had of >> the illegal parking. >> Here we go. >> Oh, >> that's cool. >> Oh, boy. >> They don't suit.
>> That's not good. >> I'm such a follower. stresses me out. >> There's always supposed to be two, right? They don't even have two. >> I know. >> It's a freaking joke. >> They comply though. They do comply. It's just not what was on the approved plan.
>> But yes, this is what we see typically all this. >> It's It's changed. So, one, there's a car parked in a handicap spot parallel correctly and then the next spot there's two parked incorrectly. But again, park. >> Yeah, you're not supposed to park in the
handicap unless you're a handicap. >> What about Does it even have signage? >> Yeah, there's pavement markings. It's just no sign. Is there a sign in front of the accessible space indicating which where it is? There's a sign on it. >> I will >> that's what they're supposed to have with a ball with a sign, you know. So,
>> I'll have to confirm on that one >> that otherwise it's not properly marked. >> I know. Yeah, I know there is pavement markings. Uh, >> right. This was This was an older picture based I So I'll have to This one was done when we were doing the temporary co stuff. So I'll have to take
a I'll have to go back out there and take a better look and confirm if the the signage signage is correct. >> Yeah. But I know there is pavement markings. >> Thank you. >> Um yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Um
>> Lincoln Hill. >> Lincoln Hill. Um, so the blasting has commenced um on site. Um, I was actually up there today with Jonathan, the um, Heather and the building commissioner.
We met out there with the developers, the blasters, and um, the fire department. And uh, we did witness the first last um, which I can >> Was there another one today after? Yes, there was a second one around 3
I think it was like 3:20, 3:15, I can't remember exact time. Um, but there was a second blast today. Um so um as part of the blasting, let me just stop this before.
So the way blasting goes is there's a notification that goes out the day before the blaster is sending out uh via call or text. I'm not sure exactly which one it is. I'm also sending out an email the day before and the day of typically,
but today since today uh um uh I sent one um out today, this morning cuz I wasn't sure if there was going to be blasting. Um so that goes out to everyone that I have on the list. There's about 25
20 28 people that I it sends it goes out to. Um and uh and my notification is basically to let them know that there's going to be one in the midm morning and then there's one in the afternoon. Um the blaster is sending out one that's going um the day before basically saying
that there's going to be blasting the next day. Um part of the blasting the way it works is there's three horns initially once all the mats and everything has been placed and all the drilling has been done. Um this is what
it sounds like. It's very very soft. You can't hear it. Oh, >> don't know what happened. So, that's what the siren is. Um, that goes off. It's not anything like a a massive
siren, but if you're outside, you can hear the siren. You may not hear it from inside your house, but it it you can hear it if you're outside. Um, >> you have video of the blast itself. >> Yes. I'm going to pull up the blast. So, this was the blast from uh 1120.
takes a second to load. Let me ask you a question while we're waiting. The siren that is that's what we just heard. This has to have been a siren that's been accepted in the industry as the acceptable sound level. Is that where?
>> Yes. >> Depending on same week. >> Yeah, it's the same. >> Okay. >> They do that at Stratton Hill >> people. Excuse me. They do that at Stratton Hills. >> Yeah. So, this is what it um this is the
>> This is the last indication. >> Yep. Not sure why it's stalling out. Oh, there we go. >> It's going number of gigs in the film. >> Yeah. I'm just let me just get to the
actual blast because that's just after that is the several minutes between the blasts. It's a handheld horn. >> Yes. >> And that what you saw were the mats. Those were the mats lifting up the blasting mats. They're made of the
tires. Those are the ones that they lay out all across it. That's what lifts so that it prevents any rocks from um leaving um the blast area. So, and that that's the blast. >> So, this gentleman stays on the site that 100 ft away, whatever the number of
feet is. >> Yeah, that was about >> he's a manager from the blast. >> Yeah, that's the that's the blasting guy. He's the one who makes it who detonates. >> So, you can see him detonates it. >> Yeah, he detonates it. So, that's that's what the first blast was um today at uh
at 11:20 and we had uh I mean J was there and I plan to I want to have the board members also go up at another blast when I can um get everyone there if I don't know if Kathleen during the day >> I guess I'm asking why at Lincoln Hill
and not Stratton Hill >> why why >> I mean I know you guys I know you Yes. So there has So >> Grant Hill wasn't also the only other project, but that's the most recent one. >> Yes. And so um there has been some um
there's been a lot of emails back and forth that we've been receiving about um blasting the feeling of the blasts and whether or not the blasts are in compliance with state regulations. So the blasters have set up three seismographs. >> We didn't answer that question. I think
this is this is we're just getting to it. >> This is this is kind of this is why I think we're why I'm doing this. I just want >> Okay. >> I want to have the board informed as to understanding why um uh what's going on with the blasting.
This is uh there's a there's been a lot of uh concern from the residents in the area, the neighbors in the area. So, I just want the board to be aware. I know with Stratton Hill there really wasn't that much concern with >> No, there was a lot of concern >> with the blasting specifically.
>> With the blasting the neighbors are constantly texting. I mean, >> okay. I'm at least I'm not getting it. >> I'm not getting that. >> We don't get an alert for Stratton Hill, >> but I mean I guess >> Okay. So, we're invited to this one and that's why you were there.
Understandable. >> And but there's not is there an expectation that we are going No, you don't have to. >> No, you don't have to. It's if you want to witness the blast. >> I have witnessed blast. >> I know you guys have witnessed blast. So, but if if any other board member
wants to >> um so it's just so that I want the board to be informed with because there is a lot of there's been a lot of residents concern with this. Um I'm sure the board knows what they've been seeing the emails as well. >> Um so
there uh there are three seismographs that have been put out. They're required to do one. They're putting out three. So, they're putting it one on the closest property that is not uh with the closest structure that's not owned by them. Then they're putting two
additional ones on the next closest structures. One of them they're kind of switching between several um butters so that they can get size um seismic uh readings. And that information the fire department gets um after the readings
are done, they get submitted to the fire department and they get reviewed to determine if they're within the range. >> And um so these readings haven't been submitted just yet because they just happened today. >> But the previous set of yes, they all fit. So the from the first blasting, not today's blasting, the blasting previous
week, >> they looked at the size of graph and it all fit within the parameters. Okay. >> It all fit with within the parameters. Um and so what'll what happens is if they were not within the parameters that are allowed by the state, the fire
department would then revoke the permit and then there could be later issues with the uh license of the blaster. So this is just more of to update the board to understand where things are are at and I know that the board is seeing the emails as well,
>> but just to keep everyone in the loop. I was just going to ask I and not for don't want to see for the board but if can I be added to the emails that you sent out. >> Yes. Y >> Oh, and then the other thing I wanted to add is um >> email you asking about
>> the blasting email. >> Yes. Yes, I can do that. >> Um is the I think the the blast hearing or or the the meeting that Onyx it Do you have it? Cuz it's not >> I have the Zoom link. So, we're having trouble figuring out how to get it on
the website. So, what actually we were talking with I was actually talking with Carly before the meeting potentially seeing if Apac can get it on the YouTube. So, then that way we can have a link through there. Um, but right now I have a Zoom um link, a Zoom recording
that I've just kind of been sending out to anyone who has wanted it. Um, a couple people have asked for it, so I've sent it out to them. Um, but we're just trying to figure out how to get it on the website because the way the way the website's done, you can't add videos. >> You have to like have links and stuff.
So, we're kind of figuring out the best way to do it. >> If somebody wants it, we should tell them to contact. >> Yes, contact me. Which on the list that I've been emailing, I you know, I have said that and I believe two people have asked me for it. >> Okay. >> Can you can you clarify that for me?
Which video were you talking about or which meeting you talking about? >> So, there was a meeting the meeting I didn't go to correct. >> Okay. >> The It wasn't a planning board meeting. It was the information meeting for the neighborhood. Theformational meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Yeah. So, if you guys want that video,
you guys I can send it to the board as well. >> If you were currently need help with Apac, Janet and I are already nodding, but we're we're happy to be fine with that. >> Okay. >> Or Barry. Okay. >> Is there anything beside the blasting to
address in terms of updates? the meat. >> Um, right now, no. Um, that's kind of like what they're dealing with right now. I know there is some um question on whether or not there's going to be blasting or um in the easement. Um, they
might potentially just hammer that to avoid any blasting within the easement with the proximity of those unit with the houses. They might just hammer it instead to avoid the blast. Um but that hasn't been decided yet. Um and then um
that's I mean we're receiving the SWIP inspections which we actually met with the the person who's doing the swip in sections today. We saw them out there. We talked to them. Um but yeah, that's kind of like the big thing right now is what they're doing. >> Okay. Any further questions from
colleagues in the board? >> I'm opening up to the public. Look, we start with the room and then the zoom. Room then zoom. Room comes first. >> Thank you. I'm Faith Salter, 10 Winthrop A. Actually, you're not going to talk about blasting, but to just on the question earlier about the big trucks,
>> um considerations on NSHA would be if there was a left turn. They've already there has been damage to the big beach tree already from some trucks turning there. Can't say specifically it was for the project, just saw the damage. For coolage, I would want you to just think about the possibility that the peak of
the hill is high for oversized vehicles. It's kind of a steep hill. So, it's just worth thinking about whether that hill is I just don't know enough about the size of the vehicles you're talking about bringing in, but occurs to me that school is quite steep. Um, so just wanted you to think about that. And um
trucks have been going down high um street. >> Yes. So, there was um I have been receiving those emails. We have discussed those text. Yes. I >> Okay. I just wanted you to know >> that's okay. >> I'm glad you brought up. >> We've actually talked to them. They're going to put up a sign right here at
Colombia that says uh no trucks. No trucks. >> Getting stuck. Yeah. >> Um and I did want to say you've been very responsive, Danny, to have seen the back and forth. I appreciate how responsive you've been. I did get the messages about the blasting. Sorry. >> Thanks very much. Thanks, Dave.
>> So, some people have actually gone up Colombia and made >> Yeah. So, um two vehicles got stuck up. not stuck, but there was um neighbors had to move trucks. This was um >> Yeah, it was not great. It was It's
okay. >> They were trying to make some of those turns and obviously that's why we had told them not to go up there. There's going to be signage that's going to be put right up here on Colombia so that they can see it before it gets up there. >> Okay. Anyone else in the room like to
come up with comments? >> Okay. So, I'm going to turn it to the Zoom now. Anyone on Zoom have any questions or comments regarding Lincoln Hill? >> I have a question. This is Lauri Sable. >> Yes.
>> Uh, I don't know how to raise my hand on Zoom, so that's okay. Sorry, I just let it in. Um, I was home today all day and I I do, if anybody hasn't seen the um emails that went back and forth, the
second blast was much more percussive than the first one. Uh, dramatically so. Um, another thing I wanted to mention is that Dana, you you pointed out
rightfully that you are sending around notices of the blasts. Um, after the meeting that Onyx or whatever the company was that held that meeting a few weeks ago, a after that meeting, the one of the people at that meeting said that
he was going to come around the next day to the neighborhood and bring around his business card and a flyer. I never got that. >> Okay. >> Um I I hear that some of my neighbors did. I think because one of them was
outside, I don't think that I needed to be outside waiting for this guy. Um and I I don't appreciate that he what for whatever reason didn't stop at my house. I >> I don't Lori, I I don't think it was intentional. He was um doing what
>> I'm not saying it was intentional. I I still just want to make the point that he said he was going to do something and it didn't happen. And you know, we've had enough aggravation with this project that um I wish that when people say
they're going to do something that they follow through. >> Yeah. >> Uh um I um think that those are the only things I wanted to say at this point.
I have a couple things when when the Zoom is done. >> Anyone else on Zoom that would like to speak or ask a question? >> I don't have anyone Okay. >> raising their hand. >> Okay. >> One of the things I wanted to follow up with was I remember the discussion with
Onyx where we were told that everyone's house would have the opportunity they'd be notified to get a pre-blast survey. >> What's the What's the status of that? So all of the required so at theformational meeting that was discussed um all of the pre-blast surveys that were required
those are any units within 250 ft of a blast area all of those have received um uh their pre-blast surveys that are required. Um there may be some additional ones if there needs blasting in the easement area that would include
a couple of uh units a couple of houses on Graten Harvard Road. Um so if the the blasting needs to occur there, those will get um pre-b blast surveys done. >> So did we get a report back from them verifying what we just talked about? >> Yeah, that gets done to the not the fire
department got it. >> Okay. So the town got it. >> Yeah, that that all gets submitted to the fire department. That doesn't go to me. >> Okay. >> Was making trying to make sure that we we knew that. So just on that as well, it was also offered to any additional
people outside of the 250 foot obviously to a cost at a cost. Um that was offered to other people and some people actually did take that up. >> Okay. Um the other question I had was and Lori brought it up. So is there there must be a chance that
there's going to be a difference in the vibration, the noise, whatever of these blasts. and they clearly then would make a determination that maybe that one was maybe is it a possibility that they could find out in the field that they
need to back that down a little bit. I can guarantee you that these blasters are not going to put more um blasting material in there than is necessary. Um during a blastingformational meeting if you want to watch that he they talk about exactly the the the way it's done.
I I'm not as well verssed in that. So, I would suggest sending I'll send you the video so you can watch it and he talks exactly how it's done. But he says that there's like a 4 inch per second vibration. They're going to be well below 2 in. >> Okay. I just um
>> because we heard about it, I figured it'd be something to discuss. >> Yeah. And so the seismographs will also show whether or not they're they're in compliance as well. So, um, once the fire department sees them, they'll they'll if they're not the there's, you know, the permits will get revoked and
then >> Yeah, it's I agree it's too late, but I um I highly doubt that it's going to be anywhere near the 4 in. >> Okay. Um, so, Mr. Chair, then I'm I'm good with Danny's report, but I'm curious to go back to the discussion
with two other board members about Stratton Hill and the blasting over there. I I so to clarify on that why that >> why I was suggesting about Lincoln Hill was it was more of a because of the concern that I had received regarding
the project with regard regards to blasting and how such a big concern it was with this project in terms of Stratton Hill during the process. I didn't receive at least we didn't really receive that um concern during the
public hearings. We didn't have conditions that we had set that >> a lot of talk about it during the public hearing. >> So, this may have been >> prior to the OSRD application that I was a part of. It may have been done during the pre-application uh the preliminary
definitive subdivision when you guys did the traffic study and all that stuff because I wasn't here at that point. >> It's possible, but it came up it did definitely come up during strat. It >> It's very possible. I just wasn't here during that situation. So I don't I can't I can't speak to
>> is there is in your humble opinion and >> yes >> should we be doing a better job of notification at the Stratail project? I guess I'm leaving it up to you guys to let me know. Um, I think that might be appreciated, but
>> No, I just think it should be noted that I Sorry, Kathleen. I should let you finish your story. >> Uh, my my only reason of asking like why Straten Hill, Lincoln Hill, and not Straten Hill is that like I am a butter.
I feel the blast of Stratton Hill. I'm very familiar with what that is like. And so for me to take I would have to take time off work to go watch a Lincoln Hill blast. That doesn't seem like >> it's not a requirement. >> No, no, no. I'm just saying like when you invite the planning board to go,
like that's what would need to happen for me to go. And so I'm just saying I'm very familiar with blasting. So I I don't feel the need to do that at Lincoln Hill. >> Okay. No, my more I was more concerned that that it might be an oversight by
the board that it might need more regul more oversight at Stratton Hill. >> No, I would actually use a parallel moment that happened between these two projects. And if you remember, we were asked because um the hours were the construction hours were different for
Straten Hill to apply that conversation to this Lincoln Hills project, right? Do you remember that moment? We had been asked by the public um I think there's just a different way in which the residents are communicating. However, I think there's a similar level
of unrest and unupsetness. So, I guess what we're hearing is how many times I've walked a neighborhood and I you see me I'm actually texting with the Lincoln Hills neighbors frequently. So, I've been in these neighborhoods both. >> Yes. >> And the I think the feelings are very
similar. the way the communications are happening are different and I can understand um and appreciate what you're doing in this project and for that reason but to to say it is more or less than is unfair. >> No. And and that wasn't my intent. It wasn't to to say one or the other is
just >> I was just trying to get a clarification if if you know the whole blasting thing to me remember like I wasn't a part of it. So to me I didn't see it that way and that's that's on me. Um it if there needs to be more notification, I can
definitely have that done. >> Yeah. I mean, there may be folks that that reach out. I I think the at least the the feedback that I've heard from people is that it's very difficult to understand who whose noise is what
because you have National Grid working and you have Stratton Hill working. Yeah. >> So people are like >> National Right. And so even like the amount of trees that went down are like >> who's who >> who's trees and so nobody uh people are kind of confused as to what what is what
>> did you see the fleet of vehicles the national there was a parade of national >> I mean the amount of >> seen that I was like what is happening >> yeah there's there's a lot of work going on with the national grid as part of
this whole central um Massachusetts uh project that's >> they're using this as like primary access. That's the only way they can get there to >> there's two access points. There's Fitsburg Road and then there's that they're using that as well.
>> Yeah. So, >> thank you for that. >> Um I think cuz even right like I've had uh folks like take pictures of construction vehicles that are clearly outside the construction time. >> Okay. >> But they look like they're associated with National Grid.
Yeah. >> And they have my understanding is National Grid has more permissive >> National Grid has no >> has no um >> based on us. There is no um >> That's true. >> Utilities are exempt from our our
supervision. >> Yeah. >> Public utilities. They worked on Sunday down the street from my house putting up the incredible incredible cranes they used to erect those >> new stansions was unbelievable. >> Yep. So >> that's kind of also the difference. So I
I I do understand where you guys are coming from and and let me know if there are any concerns. I can always reach out um to to them and and ask them if they could, you know, provide more >> someone on the Okay. Uh >> um yes. Uh we have uh Pauline
Good evening. Just a really quick question. If I have heard correctly, the seismma records from blasting are filed with the fire chief on a daily basis. >> Uh I I don't know if they're daily. Um
but I know they get submitted with all of the um rest of the reports that get done. I don't know how often it's done. It might be weekly. >> Okay, fine. But they're at least on file with the town with the fire chief. >> Yeah, that's that's part of the requirements.
>> Thank you so much. >> So, uh, meeting minutes. Everyone have a chance to look at the edits? Great. I'd like to make a motion to approve the, uh, air planning board minutes for December 9th, 2025 as, uh, modified,
submitted by myself today. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none, Ken? I >> Kathleen. >> Yes. >> Nathan. >> I Julie. >> Yes. >> J votes. I >> You want to date it? That's it. Uh motion to adjurnn or did you have any
conversation coming say to the board that I'm going to be uh traveling for work at the next meeting. So I don't know if there are other absences. >> 27th. >> 27th. Um okay. Um >> because it affects the public hearing. >> Yeah. So that's and that's what um it
will affect 35 Park Street. But that So if they're looking for a vote, I'll let them know. >> Yeah, if you can. Okay. >> If they're not looking for a vote, it's not a problem. >> Yeah. If they're not looking for a vote, it's not a problem. But if they're looking for a vote, I think an issue >> maybe. Maybe it may not be. They may be
fine. >> They won't need anything more than a majority. >> Correct. It's a site plan. It would Well, the special if it's a special permit for them, >> that would it would be four four fifths super majority. So, um, yeah, I'll talk to them and let them know
>> and then I'll also let um Orion Park Drive Tribe know as well. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Everyone, thank you. Good night.