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or 978772 8220 extension 100 prior to the meeting. So with that, I call us to order at 4:37 p.m. Um, can I get a motion to approve or
amend the agenda? How about the motion to approve the agenda as written? Defin um I can't. All in favor? Ken. >> Hi. >> Bonnie. Dennis. >> Hi. >> Dan. >> I
>> chair says I. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Um did you guys have a chance to look over the >> August 25th >> August 25th minutes? I read them and thought they were were
good. Okay. All right. Can I get a motion to approve the August 25th minutes? >> Second. >> Okay. >> Ken I >> I >> I
>> chair says I. All right. Thank you guys. All right. So, um, the main part of our agenda tonight is preparing for town election. Um, just as a matter of record,
congratulations committee for your hard work. Uh, town meeting on October 27th voted to approve the senior center project. It's fantastic. And the $2 million in capital stabilization. So, that is a huge um huge step forward for
us. It's not over yet. It's a two-step process. We've got to also win by a simple majority at uh town election on November 4th. Uh polls are open 12 to 8. So um I guess from my perspective, I
think the main effort is for us to continue to remind people that this is a two-step process. They need to show up. Uh I will be doing another telephone rooc call um probably just on Monday morning at this point for the town
meeting I did Friday and Monday but I did also post uh >> why not Friday? >> I mean yeah >> I thought the thought were really really good. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Robbo calls >> robocalls. I thought it was good. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean >> I can do one tomorrow.
>> Yeah. I mean, I I just think that that I mean, it was an excellent statement. Um, but I think that the it just kind of teed it up for folks in a way that, >> you know, seeing it signs might not. So, >> okay. Um, and then
>> the fact that you did the the roll call, the one you'll do tomorrow is a neutral statement. Just please get out and vote type of thing. Yeah. Good. >> Right. Um, and I'll probably do a Facebook post
on Monday as well, or either Friday or Monday. Uh, maybe I'll do it Friday so that it has time to share into the community groups because those sometimes have a 24-hour delay. >> Was a delay. Awesome.
>> Yeah. So, um, and then I have not spoken to the friends yet, but my understanding through the grapevine is that there will be people to stand outside of the polls on Monday. I spoke with the Tuesday
>> Tuesday, sorry, Tuesday. Oh, I do have an extra day. I'll do it Friday and Monday or or Monday and Tuesday. Anyway, um so I saw in the rain, hence my rain hair, um today all the spots that we can
not we but the friends can stand at um and still be the 100 150 whatever feet away it is. >> So um I think that will be helpful. >> Huh? >> Is that is that what I don't know what the distance is. I mean, people that have been across the street and they're
all, >> but you have to be to the It was pointed out to me today that anybody anybody in support of it has to be to the left of the light pole that has the flag on it. So, if you are looking straight across
the street at the post office, then you're in the right spot. If when you look straight across the street, you're looking at the road or a town hall, you're too close to the building. >> So, that's your 100 ft or whatever it is. Yes. >> Yep. Yep. >> So that's the spot. Um
>> whatever the no people is supposed to say >> arm and arm. >> Will they have songs? I don't I don't know of any no people. So you I mean I don't know of any no people organized no people. >> I could I could tune in to a couple at least. >> Yeah. >> Well, no. I mean organized besides
>> Oh, I see. >> Yeah. Um so um >> I mean you can stand I suppose you can go in the other direction like go 100 feet that way. >> Yeah. As long as you're more than 100
reasonable distance away. >> It was it those spots were all pointed out to me. So it's to the left of the well I mean it is measured and there is a map that allows people to see it. So, it's to the left of the the left of the light post with the flag. On the
opposite side of the road is the post office to the right of the covered bench area, which means you basically have to stand in front of air nail care. >> Yeah. >> Or and on central you have to stand in
front of you have to stand past the phone fold that's in front of that house where the garage is built into the side of the ledge. Yeah. So, you have to be on that side of it. So, um Hi, Linda. Hello. >> And it's 12 to 8.
>> 12 to 8. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What about people? Did you do a message for people who needed rides to follow? >> I have all Yeah, I tried to put that in there on all of the ROOC calls and the
Facebook posts and things like that. So, yeah. Yeah. So, um, and then my understanding is the polls will close at 8 and that typically
results are known by 900 p.m. And then they are posted in a number of ways. The first way is the sort of going back to the 1800s way. It will be posted on the door to the great hall. And then the second is it will be put on the town
website >> that night. That night >> apparently that night >> talking about the next morning. >> Will the building be open? >> Yeah, because the because whoever's counting will still be in the great hall counting. So they'll close the doors to the great hall while they're counting.
But then when you go into the into the building and go to the door and look. >> Yes. >> I mean, I don't know how long. I think the idea is if you were already standing there, you would see the result in the moment as they were posted. >> If you can make it past the National
Guard deployment, you can >> they can count the absence since they're waiting. >> Okay. I think they they'll get that done before the post post >> because it's confidential.
>> So um so I asked the so there were 287 attendees at the conference answer. >> So uh and the town cler but anyway um so
66% of that twothirds of that as we have been definitively determined. Um, so 190 people voiced their sport on the floor target. >> Oh, more or more. >> Or more. >> Or more.
>> That's right. >> Exactly the number bigger number. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, if we get 250 people to the polls, I don't think I'm thinking.
Okay. Yes, >> I think we just have to remind all the people that were there that they need to >> participate again. Um because I do think that there will be people who vote who couldn't make it to town meeting because town meeting is a multi-hour kind of
commitment whereas voting is a 15 20 minute commitment. So >> I'm curious to see what >> and that would be for both sides, right? I mean >> yeah I thought is we were telling people to do both things who know
we certainly landed the 27th to get there >> just great >> you think they might >> and their friends aren't sending anything else >> until right so the day of they're intending to
stand with signs right free gift. >> This is only one point is >> the rest of the country where people are voting a lot of places in >> Yeah, we just have the one one item. All
right. So, anything else in terms of Linda? I was saying that I'll send out a ROOC call on Friday tomorrow and then again on Tuesday um to because that I think was pretty effective to remind
people to vote and then I'll put out a Facebook graphic as well. Um and I probably will do the Facebook graphic tomorrow because that will give it time to get shared into the community pages
and everything. Um, there was great conversation in those community pages over the weekend, people asking questions, things like that. So, I was in there. I haven't seen much since then that would warrant me offering any
information. And that's sort of the stance I've taken with it is people are allowed to have their opinions. I'm not going to weigh in on people's opinions, but if they're asking questions and I can clarify with some factual information, then I've put that in there. So I haven't seen anything
since town meeting that has warranted any sort of >> So when when I see the council on aging responding that's you >> I think I saw one response clarified something >> right. Oh yeah, that's right. There was what?
>> Either intentionally or otherwise inadequate, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um then in terms of after the election, um
I think you know I think then we'll shift gears. Hopefully, let's assume that it will be successful for a moment. Then, you know, then we'll be looking to have a meeting talking about what the next steps are for design development.
Then with the OPM, I'm presume we'll get started on contracts and stuff going forward. And then we'll start getting updates uh putting back in the regular updates on permitting and utilities and whatnot. Um
what about fundraising? Where's that step with that? >> Yes. So um it is a good question. So I think uh I think that's a good question. So the if we sign a
disclosure agreement we can assist with that. So I don't know I think we should discuss that. What do we think is the role for the building committee to play in that versus the friends to play?
versus other members of the community. But >> some people the top managers sure >> I think I think the friends would like some help. >> Absolutely.
There's only three of them. There's only three of them. >> So do they need structure or help help like getting up? So structure >> everything. Yeah. everything. >> Yeah. >> And I think that for we should compile or they should for now anyway they should compile a list of like the top
five maybe top 10 potential donors that would have something approaching substantial financial resources to help >> and and that the approach to those people should be well scripted. I mean,
I think we want to avoid a condition where, you know, Ken calls somebody and then three days later this thing walks in the door and is looking for or somebody from the friends. So, >> so the >> so the larger donors are those who would
>> and again I'm not presuming that every large entity will want to donate but I think it is respectful of them and their finances that we kind of script that and make a formal approach. I think the best way of doing it is the
formal approach should maybe be a letter >> that that is sent to >> maybe a CEO or you know HR or or some major company head. Um,
but the first thing that we talked about the show months ago we talked about the same thing but >> well the friends have really been spearheading that after >> there was a not sure who did it but some friends or somebody else but there's already been a list of the business in town put together so we know who the businesses
are >> right >> we don't know >> yeah right >> necessarily who's the strongest and weakest business you're never going to know that >> till you talk to them >> and then they put together the uh the pledge page which worked on. So there's that pledge list, but I think why we're
talking about something completely different now. Not necessarily a pledge. This could be a donation. >> Yeah. Either or. >> They they kind of are hand in hand. It's sort of like we you'd be soliciting a donation and you could do your donation anonymously or you could do it for a
dollar value with no black involved. But here are your opportunities for naming rights and blacks should you want to do that. So that think of that as I mean the top of that donation document that the friends put together does include just we'll give you a there will be a
large plaque >> in the building for donors of these four levels. Yeah. >> So I think the conclusion we came to in the past was that we don't want to get into serious fundraising. I mean professional help. We can't expect you know all seeen necessarily people
qualify that kind of work. Well, I'm hoping that if and when we are in an approved state, we can approach some of the people that came to the meeting and be like, we could use some help. I think
it's a whole lot easier for people to volunteer to help something that is really truly happening versus something that might happen. Sorry. >> The other thing I would say is that the approach to the to the larger business entities definitely are hopeful
will be receptive um is kind of one category of fundraising. >> The other category I think perhaps we can defer like buying individual bricks on the patio or you know buying some
portion of the patio furniture or or what have you. um which may be I don't know a few hundred dollars. I mean >> you know um that we can until we know how big the patio is going to be and and a lot of the other things will it'll be
harder for us. >> What's that? >> You only sell five prices which are small. >> Well I think the point is we need we're gonna one of the things in the future will be a meeting that's all we talk about is that kind of work. How are we gonna get fun?
>> I mean, there's so many other ways too to fund raise, right? I mean, there's, you know, you could I mean, have someone donate a space where you could have, you know, a silent auction and you can get people to have
>> there's many have a comedy night. I mean, there's a lot, >> but those don't generate the kind of money. How much is how much of a dinner How much is a dinner out with me worth? And this could get this could take a bad turn. >> Yes. Yes, indeed.
>> You can do a chap. >> One of the things I want to say this too. One of the things we need to give careful thought to is that we're talking about money. We're not talking about things.
>> In other words, if someone wants to give you thing may not work the architecture not work with the design, right? Building principles, the whole we need money to buy what we need to put in the building. >> Yeah.
>> No, no, that makes sense. So I know you said we had to do a disclosure but can we the committee reach out to companies or we have to go through the friends fundraising committee. So there is a mechanism in place for a a disclosure agreement
that's kind of like as a board and committee member you guys all did your ethics training right so I think so there's a disclosure disclosure form that is reported to the state where you say this is my goal and herefore my
potential conflicts of interest are and then you go forward. So I I I don't know that we would want necessarily maybe there's a subcommittee of our our building committee that can be looking at that. That way it can be
um it can truly be like a waiver kind of situation versus the whole of the committee. So just things to think of. We don't have to decide that tonight. I know I think we have several meetings. I'm just >> And the other thing is to and again to
be respectful of the businesses um that we ensure or that we understand that we're not as representatives of some subset of the town. >> Yeah. >> We're not running into some other other
um uh approaches that have been made by other town entities to the same entity. Correct. All has to be planned. Yep. It all needs to be planned out in structure. Y I agree. Absolutely agree. >> You know, somebody from X department is just in here a month and a half ago
looking for something analysis and just kind of make sure >> well we'll talk about it later, but there's also the possibility of an outreach campaign just like we did with the four outreaches about the building who could outreach and have a meeting and invite them to a >> meeting. That's you invite the group to
the meeting. That's how you do a lot of fundraising. Reach out to say could you would you be interested in attending me to find out more about the senior center and potential donation opportunities. >> Auction it off and get get a little >> bring as many people competitive juices flowing.
>> Talk about an in general. >> I want the fitness room. You can have it. >> That would be great if there people were fighting over which would be fantastic. >> Not sure that will happen but that would be a great problem to have. Um, all right. So,
uh, like I said, I think this is a pretty short meeting tonight. Uh, you know, without I see Dan Arts is here. Dan, can you remind us, um, about how long the process of design development
is? >> It's over six months. >> Yeah, I might have put him on the spot. You're muted. >> Yeah, Dan, you're muted. >> No, sorry. I I had my kids in the background. I was trying to find a spot
where I be a little quieter. >> Can you guys hear me? >> Yes. >> Um, so, uh, design development, I would say about three, uh, see two to three months. Um, once once I get the final go
ahead, I'm going to get our, um, engineers rocking and rolling. So, >> okay. >> But, yeah. Yeah, hopefully we'll we should I'm thinking, you know, we'll have something together by the beginning
of the the year ready for bidding. >> Oh, wow. That'd be fantastic. >> Yeah, >> I've had I've had a bit of time working on this for the past couple uh couple months, so I have my portion. I'm a little head on, but just getting the
engineers going. >> Great. So you gambled before you getting on? >> A little bit. >> But I I I felt confident in this. I feel like we're all pretty confident in this.
>> So then we'll have to marry that in Dan with utilities and all of those things too, right? So >> yeah. >> Um moving that along. we get another or start you know at starting on November
5th assuming it goes well develop a g another gant chart with all the all the timelines from November 5th until what we might anticipate would be groundbreaking
>> yeah I think that would be a good idea is developing a new uh kind of schedule to see where rule will really delay. >> What's that? >> That'll be Vert.Ex. That won't be >> Yeah, Vert.Ex would be doing that. >> I'm suggesting that Dan do. >> Oh, okay. Yeah.
>> I'm I'm suggesting to the committee as a whole that having that in place as soon as possible will allow us to kind of, >> you know, understand exactly where the signs post are, when ground break might be able to happen and
>> and the bidding process be put in place and all the rest of it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, we'll have to we'll have to put an agreement together with Vertex, right? That'll be one of even that, you know, when when do we anticipate the contracts being signed?
>> Right. >> All right. >> We have pricing that's solid for vertex with a scope. So, you know, we can move forward with bunch. I guess when we get when we feel we're
do we know how long it will take town council to review the contracts draw up the contracts proceed with >> no I mean not off the top of my head no but um >> I mean he is usually pretty good about
>> turning things around um >> I didn't think of the first one >> yeah the first one was Um, >> it's kind of like a time and material thing. Whether it dare not to exceed Vertex contract
degrees of >> Yeah. >> only it was only to take us to town. >> Yeah. >> But then a little more involved. >> Yeah. It'll be it'll be broken down. >> This is This is what this was their peritting
schedule they put together, right? Sounds Yeah. >> All right. >> Okay. Um, anything else? >> Well, what I would ask is that on the morning
of November 5th, whichever way it goes, that if you're driving around town, you start grabbing the signs and >> putting them in your car. >> Yeah. >> Because there's some rules somewhere about the house being after the event, you have to take that sign. Yeah, we'll get I can't do it that morning, but
>> I would love to have one for historicality sakes and one could end up in my office. That would be best. >> There's a little problem with recycling those. >> There's a little issue with the recycling of those signs. The metal is recyclable. I'm not sure the sign is
pretty. >> Maybe we'll have an upcycled craft here at the center with corugated uh plastic cardboard. >> There we go. Might we want to hold on? Do you buy them separately? >> The metal and
>> the metal. Yeah. So, hold on to the metal. >> Yeah, that's You want to bring it back here? >> Yeah. We'll use our open house signs. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I like it. >> Hold on. Bonnie will figure out something. >> What's that? >> Bonnie will figure out a use for
>> I'm not I'm not very I am not very crafty or artsy. That means spray paint it. Um, now I can't remember. Oh, the the big banner >> that that's going to take some time.
Yeah, it's under the ground. >> Yeah, deeply. I believe um I I heard again I just heard that the friends were considering um putting a thank you sign with that
sign if it passes um and leaving it up for >> a week or so. >> Yeah. >> Um so that that could be nice. So don't go yank it out. I think that's >> I think that's in progress. >> All right. the deal. I think that would be
>> stand there and wave and >> that would be wonderful. >> We both >> that could that could be good too. >> Yeah. Either there or across from town hall. I think there's a lot of traffic that goes both of those areas. So over the weekend or Monday or Tuesday, I think would be great. >> Um but yeah, I mean I I agree. Pull out
all the yard signs that you see, but don't go yank out the banner. >> All right. So there's no public here. So no public input. Um when do we want to meet again? Um,
so I will be um I will be out of town from the 6th through the 14th because I wasn't sure if I would be celebrating or drowning my sorrows. Okay, either one. No, I just um I have a trip there. So, I'm happy to
arrange for everybody else to meet via Zoom. Or we could just wait until later in the month. That would give um let's assume for a moment it's successful. That would give both uh
Vertex and Catlin time to create new contracts for us to look at and all those things. Um >> so you said the sixth. >> I'm gone the 6th through the 14th. So what about the week of the 17th? >> Monday the 17
will be here 17 18 or 19. >> Okay to be burstone >> Thursday the 20th. >> We're going to have to have some conversations between the next meeting and Vertex and Kapper. We can't wait till 20 get started.
No, I know. So, I'm thinking that between now and the 6th, this next I I I think it's I mean, they're following. They were at town meeting. They know that it passed there. I can make sure to send an email
and then I think they understand. I can I can speak to them individually, but I mean I I think >> we don't have to tell them at a meeting that we want them to go ahead and get a contract ready. I think Yeah. So between so
well you're leaving. So on the 5th it would have to be you'll reach out to to John and >> Vertex and just let him know >> XYZ with the next anticipated formal meeting being on >> Thursday the 20th.
>> Does that work for everyone? The 6. No, a meeting on Thursday the 20th. Oh the 20th. Yeah. So that will give them and potentially town council that are >> well but we want it goes to we want the
we want the contracts to come to us before it goes to town. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. So I mean the idea would be that we would be able to re they would get the contract to us. We could review it in advance of our meeting on the 20th. Ask any questions. We we give our vote
for the contract and then it goes to council to review after that. Yeah. Okay. So, the earliest the contracts would be signed is the following week, you know, just before Thanksgiving. >> Yeah. >> The 20th works for us.
>> Okay, great. >> Okay. >> What time on the 20th? >> I mean, what is your schedule on the I could mean I'll try for four. I didn't >> Is 4:30 better? Right. I I don't know which I thought it was, but I get stuck
at today. I mean, if everyone else wants more, I think 430 is fine. It's absolutely fine. >> I'd rather do 4:30 than 6, for example. Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, 4:30 then? >> 4:30 is better. >> Okay.
>> Wonderful. Really? >> Well, if there's a contract we have already broken down, they might be right. They might already >> could be. Yeah. >> But I think we would want to have a we
would want to have a motion as the committee. >> Oh, yeah. >> To approve those contracts >> contingent on the the town council approval. So, I think we'd want to do that. >> Yeah. And I and I I mean I think it would be helpful to talk just to for me
to have a clearer understanding of of what task and what responsibilities and and John are promising. >> Right. Right. Yep. >> I'm going to send you I can send you contract right now. What do we have? It's broken down at every states
included from now from now. >> Yeah. And it's actually on the town's website. It was right in our It was in one of our packets a long a long way ago. So yeah, >> find you think just send me the link to what's there. It's on the documents page.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> I just >> Yeah. I don't think I mean nothing that we would have reviewed could not be on the document page. >> That's our Well, no, that's our respons. our responsibility to put everything up that's all the paper you guys have received along the way or anything I've
emailed is up on the the website so >> might require some digging but we can we'll certainly put a new version or whatever of it up in a timely chronological man so all right >> a little overlap um so some of the
things we did in the sequence may have fallen into like we could be a little ahead we could partly into design development. would be partly as we left the uh you know feasibility study to >> the what do we now
>> schematic there's a little overlap in in how that works >> but they'll they'll need >> yeah there'll need to be a new version of that contract anyway because it will reflect the final price that we're at
go ahead >> so the last version we saw of the building with all the changes is what the front that we're going on. >> The last version you saw what >> the last version of the the building and floor plan and everything like they made the changes. That's what we're going on off of right now.
>> So the last the last version was the 137 I 13,700 square ft and then I think we all agreed to bring it down. I guess Dan, I don't know why I'm answering this question. You could answer that
question. I know. Yeah. No, you're right. The last one you guys saw was the 137 8 something or other. Uh and then we talked about bringing it down to the 13. Um so I was probably I was going to
bring a new set maybe um where we're going to be at or we're going to be starting uh next meeting. So that way we can take a look at that and maybe yes see if we need to make some changes. We still have that right now while we're
still a little bit malleable. So, but yeah, >> I mean once we have assuming we get >> assuming we get the financial commitment then we will know how much money is avail.
>> Yeah. The bigger the building better. That is >> right. >> The financial commitment that we are going to be able to attain as of may allow us to do some things that we wouldn't have otherwise been able to do. For instance, if you need 200 square feet here to make something more
functional and we know that it will fit within the budget, I think that that's something that we ought to do. >> We have to consider that as a commitment. >> Oh, right. No, I'm I'm not suggesting otherwise. >> Yeah. But >> yes >> to make so I mean the bigger the
building the better in my view to the extent that architectural design can be moved somewhat to stay within its budget and still allow us to I I think we ought to look at doing that. So I think the committee will have to
discuss that and we'll have to discuss it within context of the the conversations and that we've had with finance committee and capital planning about size and price and all of those things. I think that's all got to wrap kind of up into one thing and then we
have other pieces including utilities and stuff moving in. So I'm I'm agreeing with you but I'm saying lots of other pieces there as well. I was going to add Katie is that you know the utilities those are the ones that are more a little bit more unknown
like the building we're pretty down right on you know we know how you know you know what we're doing with it we know approximate cost but you know utilities we have approximate but I still haven't got that number from grid so have an idea what it's coming in at but it'll be good to know that stuff to be
able to go in the future as well. Yeah, >> I I disagree. No, my opinion the next step is as we go through design development, what we talked about with Captain right from the get-go, Dan, that's when we do the value engineering. That's when we dig in. We
don't accept anything that we don't take a look at step by step because what's going to happen inevitably there'll be some piece that'll be higher than we thought. >> So, we need to look at other pieces that can be lower than we might have thought during the budget process, right? Sold. But the
>> have a stepbystep process that's going to go through every single room, >> right? >> And say, how do we work? You know, maybe we disagree on a finish over here or, you know, do we need this level of tile, this quality? So, we need we still have an obligation, I think, to bring it
under to get closer to get that bond number down a little bit. >> And and Vertex will be helpful in that process. >> They'll be helpful. um just because they're re obviously they're recently involved in in Littleton and they may have a clear understanding of
>> you know what worked there what didn't work there where was savings available where you know might more money need to be spent etc etc etc >> yeah well okay I have an idea about that too so we'll all work together on it basically >> not the least of which is the whole site you know the whole development of the
site what we do on the site the types of finishes it's a it's a lot so What I'm saying is I totally disagree with the fact that we're there on the building and we're there on anything. We're basically getting into the final steps that we need to break it down to
where we get the best budget and the best use of our money. >> No, you're agree. >> Well, for the best use of our money. So, what I guess I'm trying to say is we have a budget, but I still want to get below that budget and take away some of
the risk of >> of whatever could happen during the process. We that's we have an obligation to do that. No, I'm not suggesting that it be proflegate. What I am saying is that >> make the building 28.
>> Yes, 287 people showed up. We got a twothirds majority. We'll see what the vote on November 4th is and and by how large a majority but the people have given us
assuming that that works then the public the taxpayers there have have given us a charge have said to us yes we like this we want you to proceed with this this is important for the community >> we >> in an effort so and I I take that
serious Right. >> Just as they had voted it down. >> I wouldn't, you know, >> the stuff we put on the screen said 13,000 square feet. >> No, I understand. Approximately. >> So that means they looked at the screen and said, "No, yeah, we like 13,000 ft."
>> Approximately a p ox period. >> Okay. Well, I think still got a ways to go. >> I think all of that is going to work itself out as we go through the process. So, all right. Anything else? Or do I
have a motion to adjurnn? >> There's motion to adjurnn. Second. >> All right. All in favor? >> Okay. And Dan says I and J says