Good evening. It's Thursday, March 12th, 2026 here in Air Town Hall. This is a meeting of the Air Conservation Commission. With me in attendance are Mark Phillips, vice chair, George Bacon, member,
Jeremiah Clerk, Heather Hamson, conservation agent, and John Schmallenburgger member. And I am Jessica Gino, chair. Uh starting off the meeting um the agenda. Any changes to the agenda?
>> No changes to the agenda. >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve the agenda as posted? >> So >> second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> I. >> All oppose and the chair both side. The
motion passes. Approval of the meeting minutes for February 12th, 2026. if people had a chance to re read them. I sent you some changes, right? >> They should be in there. >> I appreciate you sending them so I can fix them
>> on the early end. Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Any changes to the minutes? >> Looks like we have another winner of a clerk. >> She's a keeper. >> Keep up. >> Keeping up living up here. >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve the
minutes for February 12th as written? >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. The chair votes I. >> Approved. Uh, next on the agenda is the continued public hearing for the notice of intent
for Sawyer May LLC for changes and extension of the roadway on Orion Park Drive. This hearing is opened under the air wetland bylaw, not under the wetland protection act. So there is no file number
for this. Who do we have? >> Good evening everyone. Sean Malone from O Consulting Group. I'm the civil engineer and representing the uh applicant tonight. >> Okay. And there have been changes in the plans. Can you go over? >> Happy to. Yes. Um, so the biggest change
that were made to the plan was uh per our discussion at our last meeting was to uh move the drain pipe from Orion Park Drive to the infiltration basin outside of the 25- ft no disturb zone.
Um, so we were able to do that by rotating it down counterclockwise on the page there. Um, we put it about the the the center of the pipe's about six, seven feet off of the 25- ft line. So that gives us room to excavate and
still um not disturb that 25 ft buffer. Um, so that was the biggest change. We are still proposing um the buffer mitigation as described at the last meeting. Um, additionally, we did receive approval
from the planning board on Tuesday. Um, we are still working through um, natural heritage. We received some additional comments from them. We replied to their comments about a month
ago and they provided us a response this week. In short, they asked for a um habitat analysis. Uh we have retained Goddard Consulting uh to do that habitat anal uh
analysis. Specifically, they were interested in the blending turtle, I believe it was. Um so we are scheduling that. We also have a uh teams meeting with Natural Heritage on Thursday. Um, so we are moving forward to uh getting
any of their issues and um get all that resolved with those folks. Um, I do know that we are still trying to get a sitewalk with this commission. Um, I don't know if we're going to try to schedule something tonight, but uh, we
certainly want to keep moving forward as best we can. >> With all the melting, what sort of condition is the is the ground in that area now? Was it open or >> Well, I I I drove by there tonight. Um the front field, lot five, is pretty
much all bare bare ground. Um lot four, there is some still snow there, but it is melting rapidly. Um I would think uh another week or two at the most. We we should definitely be bare ground
providing we don't get a March storm. Nobody wants that. >> No. >> So, the area where the relocated line is, that's still got snow cover. >> The There's still some snow there. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Is it like spotty or is it >> I I didn't go all the way back there. I just looked from, you know, Westford Road. >> Yeah. >> Um but with the tree cover and, you know, so it's a little more shaded. I would think it's still, you know, maybe 6 in to a a foot of snow cover there.
Most parts, >> where's the the current like fence and gate on this right now? Like roughly >> it is. Uh you can see >> that kind of bigger border here. This this here is this it. >> Um no, that's the end of the road. So if
if you want I can uh try to describe here. So, currently the road ends right here. >> Okay. >> And then there's this uh kind of gravel stone dust path that goes back here. And then this is that wire fence right here.
>> Okay. >> And then the road kind of passes. It's not picked up on the survey, but it kind of passes through and proceeds up this way. >> And the gate is approximately where? >> Uh there's a there's I think there's a pipe gate right at the the road here.
So, you know, we can park here. I think um the applicant the canal does have discussed with the owner of the property uh being able to park on that site and I believe they did not have any problem with that. >> I was only asking just for and so what I
cuz I did drive by there today >> and I was able to take a really good look at it and yeah kind of where your hand was kind of describing the the stone fencing is that yeah still has a little bit of snow on it. Yeah. Um, like you said, off the other side, it's it's definitely open. You can see some grass and everything. So, yeah, I think with
that probably be good. >> No, I think you're right. >> I know we're going to get an inch or two days that the weekend, but it's going to be nothing. >> We were supposed to get almost an inch to two inches of rain on Monday, >> so I think whatever snow would would have washed everything away.
>> Yeah. Hopefully get a little time to dry out. >> Pretty pretty well draining soils here, so shouldn't be too bad. Um, if I if I may, I would maybe suggest a sitewalk, not this Saturday, but the following >> 21st. 21st.
>> Yeah. And then if for whatever reason we had to cancel out, we can be back here that following Thursday. >> Um, we had to reconvene. >> Okay. How does that work for people's schedules? It's
>> good. >> It's fine. >> Okay. So, we'll do a sitewalk uh the 21st >> Mhm. >> time. >> You want You want us to pick or you want to pick it? >> Like 8:39.
>> 8:30. Let's do it. >> 8:30. >> It's my Saturday. >> Does that work for you? >> I'm gonna make sure it works for Mike Catalo. >> Okay. Um but yeah, I think I actually am away that weekend. But I did talk to Mike and Joe today. They're both um
traveling tonight, but um they did say that not this weekend, but anything beyond that they they will make work. >> Okay, great. >> Okay. >> Yeah, thanks for uh >> moving >> pulling that that pipe down, too. That's
>> Yeah, it worked out well. And you know, it's it's great when when we get in our design sometimes we get some tunnel vision and a simple little change like that, it >> makes a difference. >> What do you think? is just to one side. >> Basically just rotated it down 5 10°. >> Yep.
>> You know, it reduces. >> Yeah, we're still on the We're still on the 50ft do not disturb it. We're not in that first 25 ft, which is >> Yeah. But even theif the 25 to 50 foot, it's down about 25 square ft from what it was
originally. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And um and then even the 50 to 100 is down. >> Yeah. Because it's pulling it further out. >> Y. So >> and and just so you guys know too within the uh decision for the planning board, there is a condition on there if
anything comes out of our um order of conditions that possibly impacted through natural heritage or our permanent self that makes any sort of major change to this, they would have to go back to the planning board for that. >> Okay. Um,
so you're having a team's meeting next Thursday with Goddard. >> A a week from today is going to be with Natural Heritage and then Goddard's going to participate in that as well. We just got Goddard on board yesterday. We'll make that letter. >> Is that something that would be useful
to have Heather on or if you had time? >> Um, yeah. I don't see any reason why if if you if you want to send me that link I I yeah I'll join that just so I can fill in >> Yeah, absolutely. >> the commission on that.
>> All right. Any other questions for now is we will otherwise then next talk on this at the or not talk on this because we can't >> we'll just stare at each other. um at the sitewalk on Saturday, March 21st at
8:30 a.m. >> That said, then let's continue the public hearing. Do I have a motion to continue till our next meeting, which is the 20 >> 26th >> 26th. Yeah. >> Move. >> Second.
>> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Chair votes I. >> All right. take it away. So >> great. Thanks very much, folks. >> Have a good night. You too. >> Okay, next up, our office and member
updates. >> What you got there? >> So, first off, we'll go through just some of the member motor skills on the land commission update. So, um, if the weather holds up on this Saturday, I don't know if you guys remember the last, I think two years we've had this
lady Allison put the Easter eggs up in Pine Meadow. Um, because of the weather last week, she wasn't able to go out. Um, but she says she's going to try to get that done this coming weekend >> and have those up through April. Um, so those will be going up soon so people
can go looking for Easter eggs. >> So, what are what are these plastic eggs? No, these are just a little um like sign that she puts on certain trees. Yeah. To go look for >> and then she takes them down. >> All right. >> Um uh the 28th uh was the MACC conference.
Um while I was there, um I know some people know watches, we have a little library in our in our office of people to borrow books. So I did get some new ones. Um one of them which I thought was just an interesting title. It's called Beaverland. how one weird rodent made America. Everyone wants to read about
beers and how they create wetlands and all that fun stuff. Um, I got some I got one on uh native that's not all native, but um plants that help feed bees and other pollinators. And I got another one about um different roadside different hiking trails of interesting points
throughout New England as well um to go along with our other books in our in our little library for people to use. Um while I was there, I did take three workshops. One on um meadow uh creating
meadows uh in town and the gentleman that ran it um was the gardener. Uh he just left, but he was the gardener for um uh Tower Hill. >> Um so he created he took some of the old fields there and turned them into into wildfire into native meadows. Um, and
his basically was stated that it doesn't matter how small the meadow is, it can be a container meadow and it has value. So, it makes me feel better about my little container meadow I have um with some of the seeds that I have. So, if anybody um is interested in taking a hack at, you know, putting a wildflower
meadow at the on their property, not so big. I still have plenty of seeds in my office. >> Um and I did grab some more while I was at the conference. So, um, please feel free to stop by and I have native wildflower seeds and you can try your luck at your own property. Um,
>> do you know if with a like wildflower meadow on your property that's not very fancy, is it beneficial to mow it down every few years? >> So, they he was stating that it's best depending on how you decided to do it. So when it starts to grow, so if you
spread the seeds fall and they start to come up in the spring, if you mow it down early early April, >> okay, >> and then it'll it'll bounce back. But anything later than like May, it will
you'll kill the fl you'll you'll get whatever you will get flowers. And people need to remember that when you're doing them, they they're will take a while. You're not going to you not most likely won't get flowers the first year. When I did mine, I just got a few black eyed susans to come up. >> Um, it takes two or three years to
become established, right? >> So, it'll look >> a mess, but it looks straggly. Correct. And it won't necessarily what what you're picturing. It just one of those things like any trees or whatever you plant takes a few years to be established. So, um, but yes, if you did
plant something and it doesn't Yeah, you can mow it early and it'll be fine, but not anything much past. >> Yeah, cuz I I did one after the during the shutdown. That was my shutdown project. And then um >> and the first year it was like, huh? And
then the next year it was like, oh, >> yeah, it'll it'll change fast. >> But I think I need to sort of mow down and replenish the soil and stuff. >> Yep. >> Okay. You you can also if you have the time and the energy, Marilyn goes out
and she she handp picks stuff out of the area to leave what she wants and to get rid of the invasives and >> Yep. >> Yeah. If you have a small area, you can do that. Yeah. >> Just like any other garden, it needs maintenance and then it'll then after it
gets, you know, fully established. >> It's that maintenance I'm not so good at. >> Yeah. It's the first few years of maintenance that can be tricky. It's like a get things started and said, "Okay, you're on your own." >> I just take the seeds and I just go, "Well, let's see if they grow here." And I just throw them out places and see
what happens. >> Um >> followed by and you're on your own. >> The the last workshop I took was not as as a happy one. It was on on climate change. >> Um and it was more of a doom and gloom of um this is what it is and there's not much we can do about it. Um but there it
was focusing a lot more instead of on on resiliency more on adaptation and modification of how we look at things because it's already we already see the effects of climate change. So we can do what we can to be you know try to slow it down but what we need to look at more
is what we need to do to modify and adapt our everyday. >> Yeah. >> To deal with it. So which you know that was a great way to end a long day but it was it was fine. been seeing the thing that, you know, Massachusetts, our area, still labeled as extreme drought by the
state. >> You were still in a drought. Yeah. Um the last drought report that came out, I have it outside my office. We were in a drought. That was before the blizzard came through. Um cuz it was in February 1st. So I I don't know when they do the next one when it'll state. Um we were in
they most of the state was in a level two drought whereas um Nucket was level three. >> Yeah. The one I saw, we were still in the dark orange. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> yep. Um, you think it's hard to believe
that when we had all this snow and cold, but >> it hasn't recharged. >> When the ground's frozen, nothing recharges in. So, it doesn't do much. And the in the first snowstorm we had of, you know, 3 ft that was a very dry snow. There was no moisture in it. So, that makes a difference, too. >> So, hopefully we get some rain and it'll
it'll hopefully balance out and we don't go all year with a drought. But one we'll find out. But we we do our best I do my best to try to keep up to date with the drug monitor and have >> Yeah. >> Um and I work with Dan on that too in
regards to that stuff. So um we will be working on doing the Earth Day um shutdown of McFersonson Road um on the April 22nd um during April Vacation. um time of it isn't 100% set
in stone yet, but they're looking at either one or two in the afternoon to, you know, five or six. They we're hoping um working with Devon's Enterprise to have different tables set up this year as we did a couple years ago. Um the
sustainability committee will have a table there. We work and I also obviously have conservation stuff there as well and try to get either um I don't if anyone ever seen the DPW's watershed like map thing they have. It's basically just it's a 3D model and you spray water
on it and show you how water flows. >> So I'm I'm going to see if I can get that to bring that for that on on the 22nd. The we're working on getting the townwide cleanup on that Saturday the 25th. Um Jeff Tillitson still would like
to be the point person for that. So he's working on getting that set up. Um but west details come out and it gets closer. I told I'd help him share that information, but right now it's scheduled for Saturday the 25th at 9:00 with pickup at the town beach with a
rain date um on the 26th. That's Sunday. >> Okay. Hopefully not like last year. We won't get snow like we did last year for the cleanup. >> Yeah. And one other thing, we have a new NOI filing that was sent. It was emailed today. I cannot print it because it's too large for National Grid. So they are
mailing that. So that'll be on an upcoming meeting. I don't know if I'll be able to get it in time for the not that I have it in time for the next meeting. No, I don't. So it'll be on the first meeting in April. >> Okay. >> Um and then I'm still tweaking. I sent this a first draft and then I don't know
if you guys liked how I did it of the my possible revisions for the regulations. I basically took the old ones and did a track changes so you could see how I moved things and drafted it around. Um I'm still working on it a little bit more and there still a couple of things
I wanted to add. I did add in the possibility of adding filing fees, bylaw fees to the regulations in in the one that you hadn't seen yet and those were very minimal fees. because it would be no proposed fee for RDAs. Um, and then notices of intent are separated out into
categories based on the amount of work being done whereas category one is for just work on a single family law and I kept those fees at like $25. >> Yeah. >> Um because everything that comes before especially with NOI takes time for me to review um the bigger the project.
Sometimes it's multiple site visits that take place with the phone call. So >> that's what that filing fee is. It's just a suggestion. It's written in our bio that we're allowed to do that. Just threw that one in and I'm still tweaking them. But if you go through and see what we're looking at and we'll um have a more in-depth discussion about this at
our next meeting. Um there was a um added a hu wildlife habitat mitigation section added requiring anybody that clears over a certain square foot of property to have a wildlife biologist verify the wildlife habitat on there and
also require a um replanting um of anything cleared out um based on size of material of tree or shrubberies getting taken out. um following more or less what we're doing for our tree policy that we have. This
then now just puts something more in depth into our regulations. Um I did add a quick note at the end of our plan requirements to have a at least 60% native species requirement. I did
modify the um our setbacks to include a 70 uh 50 to 75 no build. >> We have the 0 to 50 no touch. >> So the 50 75
>> um would be a no um no building. Um >> I don't have it in front of me. I didn't print it. It should go after all of the um see if I looked at it. I can point it right out to you. There it is. >> Okay. >> But it it so it would do that and then I
added and this is just from my own right here. >> Um okay. >> 50 to 75. >> And what is aura? >> That's what you had in yours. So that's why I did. It's area under resource area. >> Oh, >> I believe is what the thing is. I just
took it from our regulations now and it just changed and just added the zero to that. >> I did >> it was actually um like the first paragraph or second paragraph of the bylaws. >> Yeah. >> Um it just wasn't identified as an acronym. >> Yeah. >> So it put in parenthetical but it was
fully spelled out. So it kind of threw me to I'm like okay. So yeah >> and it took me a second to walk back and find it. So yeah just yeah I just filled out things to get moved around. I did add um and you guys can change it. This is just for myself, but I'd like to see
it um a 200 foot buffer around all vernal pools. >> Around what? >> Vernal pools. >> Um and there was I think one on there that's not allowed to have waiverss for certain aspects of it. I can't again I can't quite remember, but these are just
pointing out some of the things that I added to you and and I said I I still want to add and review it a little bit more. Um, but we'll we'll have a more in-depth discussion about it at our next meeting. >> Yeah. >> Um, to go through them all and decide when we're going to do the public hearing for it.
>> One of the things I'd like us to consider would be um cuz we we you talk about where we talk about the um no disturb and then for in the 0 to 25
ft. Yeah. and um talking about properties that changes were made since 1996 but without a permit. >> And I think that could be both look cons confusing and alarming to residents who
because so many people have a but >> ponds or um streams. Um it's like um it can look like okay you can't do anything in your yard without even even digging up a plant without going to the conservation commission.
>> I'm not sure we want that level for yards that are pretty well >> I doesn't it I believe it states that it's for um undisturbed >> right but we need we need to spell that out. So, I I would say probably do
something that talks about um a yard, what a a yard, basic grass or landscaping. But if you're doing something that's a major change, cuz we don't want it to look like it's going to be >> breathing down everybody's shoulder if
you do anything in your yard at all. >> Yeah. Well, I remember that's what your concern was when you first came to our discussions, I think, and and former chair had said, "Well, if you're digging up a planet, really, you need to get our permission." And it's like, >> "No,
that won't fly well with >> But yeah, so just make it look as, you know, we keep in mind we should be as user friendly for ordinary >> res." Yeah. If you want to show something else, maybe possibly put some examples in there to make it a little bit easier. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then I would probably
tone down a little of the ink kind replacement for some things. >> Yeah. No, that was that was just I just took it from another one. I'm like, "Yeah, I said it needs to be retouched." I just wanted to get everything I was thinking of in there >> so I wouldn't get lost and then go back through and I have a clean version of it
on my desktop that I can then look at and read and tweak from there >> and mess up the edited one. >> You must have changed the version because the only edit that I saw was the thing. It was in red. >> Mhm. >> Everything else looked normal. So
>> when I opened it, so yeah. So maybe I >> maybe I hit >> Did you hit a track tracking change thing? Maybe everything. >> Okay. I mean I have I have the I have the track changes version. I can email it back to you again. >> Yeah, cuz mine hit a whole bunch. >> Was there changes in the Were there
changes in the email system? possibly cuz last time I was in things were fine. I guess when I went in this time anything that had like somebody else's email on it was attached very odd and
that the attachments were >> Yeah. >> It looks different now >> a little bit. >> Yeah. >> So maybe that's the issues. I I maybe I clicked the wrong one possibly. So I'll >> Yeah, I always resend it too. Um, like I said, there's a couple other things I
still want to look at changing as well. Um, looking at all the different other towns and what they have. There's a lot of ones that go into more deep detail on what different um, types of um, resource areas. I think I even might
have added into ours too um because it's been floated around in the update to the protection act to add climate change. That's one of the big things they want to add. And I think I kind of just threw that in there for our regulations because it it will we've been told like two years on it
that's going to get changed. Um so I just like you know I'm just going to throw it in there because it'll get added in eventually and it I can do that. >> Yeah. Well I mean >> those impacts we have to look at when we're looking at projects >> and when people are thinking about plantings on their property now you sort
of think about what's more resilient. >> Mhm. >> Yep. um common practice was one I I've seen two two uh different classes I've gone to all those will say different things some say look at the mid-Atlantic states and that's fine other one say oh just go straight across and you're okay
>> and I'm like whatever's climate changing so I don't >> I don't know which one's right but >> more native is is is better um they're more apt to be resilient to what we what climate changes do occur >> yeah
um any other updates >> that That's about all I have. >> Wasn't Was there a meeting on 71 Sandy Pond? >> Yes, that's right. Thank you. There was a meeting on 71 Sandy Pond um on Monday. Um which I missed. You missed, which is fine. They um we went through the
proposed uh project 471 Sandy Pond in the beach and what they're looking at to propose. There will be a parking area, the proposed site. I mean, obviously if things are
have a cost and and town meeting approval and everything else, but there will be a parking area on 71 Sandy Pond, a fitness court, a um pavilion with picnic tables along with
other uncovered picnic tables and additional plantings. um eventually a native a um nature trail that goes to close to the back of the the property. Won't go all the way. It won't end at the railroad tracks. Um
over on the beach side, there will be a canoe launch and a um splash pad. Those are what's in the the uh proposed plan. >> So, the fitness court is just like concrete.
>> I don't know what it'll be made out of. I don't think that material is is set in stone. >> Um, and it's all subject to funding obviously, too. >> Okay. And then they're when are they planning their public input? >> I don't know. I don't know if they're do
I don't I don't know what the plan is. I think the plan is to is to bring us all to the select board. Um, I can't remember what meeting we decided we were going to do that at. Um, >> can you make sure we know all we know
the date of that if they do it that way? >> But >> I think as John has said, the fitness court has to have some things in it that make it worthwhile for people to be over on that side. >> Mhm. >> I unfortunately I can't remember.
>> It doesn't seem like much of a draw to me. >> Yeah. >> It's not a destination. And neither were pic ne are picnic tables as far as I'm concerned. It's like got picnic on the other side where you get a view of the beach, you know.
>> Yeah. >> My my my concern came from the fact that you have the the splash pad and I I mean I thought of this after the fact. Um and someone who's taken those are it's a usually a porous the water sinks in run off >> but you have it at the side the town
beach where there's sand. So you can't have kids with sandy feet running into the splash pad and getting all that sand. Clog it up. It would clog it up. >> Did you Did you raise that? >> No, I thought of it after the fact because like my kids used to go to them all the time and you don't usually see them where there's sand.
>> Yeah. >> So I don't Unless it's going to have a different obviously a different drainage system. I don't know. But usually they have like a >> But a splash pad on the other side >> makes no sense because you have little kids running back and forth. >> Oh. Across the street. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
So, it makes sense to have But that's that's what thought came to my mind. But I mean, there's different ways to do the drainage on it. >> Yeah, >> that would I'm sure we would you would think of that. But like that thought came to my head like, "Oh, you need to be careful of that." >> Yeah.
So, we have something fault at the bottom. >> Yeah. You have to have a separator and everything like that. So you the specific drains on it instead of just having a completely forest pavement >> card's job every day is a piece of sand out of the thing. >> Yeah. So it's one of those it's one of
those design things that we'll get to get hashed out. It's not >> a and no for the plan. It's just one of those design things like oh we have to think of this when we designing it. That's the only thought that came to me after the fact. There has to been
they haven't looked at this and maybe there's a reason not to do it, but is it possible to put maybe a diagonal crosswalk from 71 to the >> So that's what they were looking at. They were looking at putting an additional crosswalk in so it's could be coming from the 71 Sandy Pond site
across the street and then have to do, you know, obviously at the one you end up crossing Snake Hill Road to get to the beach. >> Yeah. So instead of doing the two cross, could they just >> do a diagonal? I I don't know how that works. It usually works. They usually have those in cities where you have traffic lights, whereas this is just a
>> four-way stop. It's just a two-way stop. >> You're not going to be able to do that diagonal. Usually only see those in cities when you have the four intersection with traffic lights. >> What was the reason for no four-way stop? >> H >> What was the reasoning for no four-way stop? I don't there's a when you're
looking at traffic studies and traffic count there is a certain threshold that brings that in that you would trigger that >> I'm sorry I missed that threshold would be equal child dead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. I I unfortunately
I I mean I was at the meeting you know in my kitchen making my kids dinner and I while they ate dinner and they're like can we walk by? I'm like yeah you're fine. The background's blurred. So every now and then you just see a tall blonde head walk by me and my youngest wouldn't do it. He like crawled on the floor. I'm like you can walk by.
>> It just like other parts of town where you see some areas of four-way stops in more the neighborhoods. >> Yeah. >> You think I mean the traffic coming along Sandy Pond Road. There's a lot of traffic. I I think it's I I think it's something that when this project goes
forward um when it actually gets to that construction phase because you'll be adding that parking it'll probably be something gets looked at and it does become a four-way. So I don't think it's a matter it's not going to happen. It's just a matter of when that actually does not happen. >> I I felt like there have been resistance to the idea from
some departments. >> Yeah. Oh, I asked Stan about it and he said that it doesn't fit the parameters. to be able to put in. >> Again though, there's plenty of traffic on the Sandy Pond side. That's way more than you get in
>> and they're fast. Nobody gets >> If nothing they should like eliminate trucks there, >> which they can't >> Well, the Yeah. The issue with I think the trucks there then it has how do you get them >> from where? Yeah. The truck route type
of thing. you then you >> that becomes an issue because then if they're coming off of Westford Road and they got to go up Willow and take that sharp turn to come down >> 2A and can they make that turn or it's easier to come down >> state row >> they just wid it
>> I know they just widened it yeah >> there's no reason >> yeah so I that's those are all deep so I can only answer these as far as what I hear in meetings as far as traffic studies and stuff go wrong >> I don't know that's that's a good those These are good day in questions and I'm
sure these things are going to have to be hashed out before when any question or development or responding would come to town meeting. >> Okay. >> So, I'm sure they would have some sort of public obviously we'd have to have something before that bridge bar there.
>> Yeah, you restore them. Why would it work here? >> Well, let it let us know when they start taking it before like the select blur. I I I want to say I can't remember what meeting it was a year ago. I want to say it's sometime in April. So, it's I will
ask Robert um if we settle on a date and what day that when I see Dan. >> Yeah. >> Or somebody. I'll ask them. And um and then I'll let you guys know. Um Okay. Cuz they want us all to to go. So, they'll probably send it out in an email anyway because they're going to want
from the working group to go. And um so, >> all right. Any member updates? Mr. Schmalenburgger, >> could we ask uh Dan to come in to a meeting sometime and so we could talk about all these different things?
>> Yeah, sure. >> To a conservation meeting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I want to talk about the Flanigan Flanigan put in. And >> yeah, >> that thing on Sandy Pond, that >> annoying thing across the street from me that I keep harping on. And >> also the sheds.
>> And the shed. Yeah. >> Um, >> yeah. >> Yeah, I can see he has time at our next meeting since we don't we're just going to be finishing up um Orion Park. I can ask if he's free for the next meeting. >> Yeah, friendly meeting. >> Yeah. I mean, and if if it's easier for
him if we have to. I mean, I know he just lives over in Harvard. If we have to have him zoom in, we can do a Harvard meeting if we have to. Just so he's here. >> Sure. Can make Jess read that little preamble thing as >> I have to read my sustainability
meeting. Yeah. Yeah. And uh Yeah. And I want to set up a meeting uh with Robert, talk about a few of our outstanding issues, including >> the dock license program. >> Yes. Um
I should mention too, uh thank you for that. The the bids for the pond treatment will be in Monday. My apologies for the date on that. I when when Robert I met with Robert to discuss the warrant article today and the what we might they think we're looking for
requesting for funding for that. I looked at the date when it was recent. I missed it. I don't know what my brain was thinking, but um um I I'm going to wear an out of caution that when the amounts come in there. I'm
I'm hoping they're similar to last year, but because I don't but I don't know what tariffs are going to do to anything. But um I I I'm I'm in I'm in the full mode that think that we're going to need the most amount of funding as we can and figuring that there'll be an algae pool this year. >> Yeah. You think there will be? >> Well, we had the one four years ago.
Yeah. We had the al the green the naturally occurring algae this year that eventually it was there for not even a month and and then washed out. Um >> that it's just a matter of time before we >> Yeah. >> The air temperatures gone up uh 3 and 12
Celsius. Water temperatures gone up at least 3° because water's warming faster than the air. >> And it's an El Nino summer, right? I think they're expecting an El Nino this year. I don't know. I'm so tired. I thought we're always in one. >> Yeah.
>> But so yeah. So just so those bids will be in for the next meeting, too. And >> have we gotten any yet? >> We haven't got any yet. Um so I think they're all waiting for the deadline, >> which makes me nervous. Um I mean, I couldn't open them anyway, but um so I I did hear from Watermelons. I did hear
from Solitude when I did send them out that they will be sending them in. Um just haven't seen them yet. But yeah, we'll we'll make sure that the the board arrival does fund that. And I know the majority of people in town, some people in town don't like to see that that's
how we treat them. But unfortunately, the alternative is one would be to we can't dredge it. We can't pump the water out. That's just not it keeps flowing in. Two, to to rake it, get uh equipment in there. We
don't have access plan to get equipment in there. We'd have to get an easement from another property owner. into instead of looking for $20,000 at town meeting, you'd be looking at like 200,000. >> 200. Yeah. The cost difference is enormous. >> The towns that have done it like
Littleton when they did it and they waited too long and did it when the the the mil floor was too high and it broke apart, it doubled in their, you know, it's one of those like the timing has to be just right. >> Water levels in certain ponds aren't
deep enough. Like we could never do hydro any sort of ragging in grove pond. It's just not deep enough. >> Yeah, >> that probably applies to pine meadow too, right? >> Yeah, probably in certain areas. And then you get to the point where then you would have to then do chemicals. Whereas looking at growth pond, then a question
is going to come up. The chemicals that we use, it falls to the ground and decays. The pond's already shallow enough and it wouldn't >> it's just not feasible. I I wish it was. It's just it's just not. >> Yeah. The only feasible thing to tackle all that would be to take the pond away.
>> Take the pond away. >> Take the pond away. >> Yeah. >> Grow a pond. Wasn't me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then that'd be nothing. And it' be fine. But that's not what we're going to do. We can't do that. So, um, unfortunate that that pond stays as it is until we
can technology takes us something else. >> Anything else to John? >> Jen, no. >> George, >> no. Sorry to hijack your job, >> Mark. >> And I've got nothing. Okay. Next on our
agenda would be public input. And I see Rachel Kazera here today. Do you have any >> input or just listening? Pleasure. >> I'm just here. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Maybe next time I'll show you. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Nice to see you. >> It's good to see you, too.
>> Uh nothing else then, uh you have a motion for adjourn. Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I. All oppose. Nobody. >> And we adjourn at 7:41.