Good evening everyone. This is the Air Conservation Commission meeting. It is Thursday, October 13, 2022. Uh commissioners in attendance this evening are Miss Jeremiah as member. We have Miss Jessino as member clerk, Mr.
George Bacon as member. We have Mark Phillips as vice chair. Myself, John Smallenberger as chair and Heather Hansen as our conservation agent. Okie dokie. Do we have confirmation of
agenda? Any changes to the agenda? Nope. Okie dokie. Motion to approve the agenda as written. So move. Second. All in favor say I. I. Oppose. Nay. Nay. An update. Passes unanimously.
Approval of the meeting minutes for September 22nd, 2022. Any changes? Yes. Yes. Yes. And And I pre-signed.
Sorry, Jess. Bottom of page one. Okay. Let's see. Yep. It says the storm water system was not, is still is not. Is that how you want it to read? It
sounds cumbersome to me. I'm just It it it it makes perfect sense to me. Or is it supposed to be it it still is not finished? I I don't know if that's what you meant or not. I think I think I meant that. Okay. Obviously, you're reading it wrong.
It could be my homeware system was not And how about was not and still is not and still is. Sure. Okay. Well, at least I know somebody's reading them very closely. I did that intentionally
just to a test. You always got to throw one in there, right? Put a put a bone out there so that everybody ignores all the rest of the stuff, right? Yeah. Blind dog. Anything else? That's all I said. That's all you got? Everything else was good. Oh, okay. Motion to
approve the meeting minutes for September September 22nd, 2022 as amended. So move. Second. All in favor say I. I. Oppose. Nay. Passes unanimously. Now is the time for public input. If
there is anyone in our audience who would like to speak about anything, now is the time. Yes, Mr. Chairman. I just would like to thank the the air conservation commission very
much for all the efforts that I put into this report. Thank you. Well, thank you very much. Thank you. There has been a lot of time and effort put into it. So, we appreciate that. Thank you. How are you? Fine, thanks. Good. Okay.
Excellent. Anything else? All right, then hearing no other discussion, we will move on to our first item this evening, and it is a discussion of the conservation recommendation of Stratton Hill preliminary subdivision and
conservation analysis. Has everyone had an opportunity to read through all the the changes? It grew. I'm sorry. It's okay. We expect nothing less. Anyone have any comments? Not from what
you sent. No. Right. Okay. Never mind. Yes. So, I have comments. You have comments? I did. I apologize. I didn't send these ahead of time, but I just had a few edits. Nothing major. Um, edit away. scrolling through. Um in the
second page, page 209, the overview of three key areas of concern. Um you list the three areas is the north of right away, national grid rightway, and long pond. But in that first paragraph, the north of rightway, it's kind of talking about the slope in multiple areas. So it just seems like
there's more than three car key areas of concern. And I'm not sure if I want to clarify that. Okay. Um, in which paragraph? Uh, Jen, the first paragraph under overview of three tier key areas of concern, right? The north of the rightway is the first key
area, but then it also talks about the slope forested slope in the second paragraph of that area. Forested slope down the long pond, south of the rightway. Oh, okay. So, it's so it's the second paragraph. Yeah, mostly it's just it was just a little confusing I think
to say three key areas but then introduce kind of a fourth paragraph. Okay, I do have no so clarify that to either four key areas noting slope as one of those areas or
there only still three key areas. Well, is the slope considered it's what would it be part of the long pond? the forested slope. Oh yeah. So this should be the forested slope.
Okay. Okay. Open that. Forested slope to long pine. So that's still three areas. Okay, then that makes sense. Okay. Um and then under recommendations in the very first paragraph which is page three
the middle of the paragraph it is it's recommended. So just taking that out the second it is it's can you speak up? Oh I'm sure I'm sorry that was just because I can't hear anything. Thank you for thank you for that. Um, so it's
under recommendations in the very first paragraph. Um, kind of the third line down, it is its recommended. So just a grammar thing. Okay. How about what if I did it? It it is the commission's recommendation, right?
So it was the its then that was supposed to be us. Yeah. But I think if it reads weirdly, it just looks like you had its twice basically. So that I think Yeah, the commission would be great. It seemed to be duplicating a few little twoletter words lately. That's how typing. Is it
auto correct or autocorrect? No, it's it's gino correct. Incorrect. All right. Okay. And then on page four of nine, another small grammar thing on the
second paragraph here. Okay. The red one. Yep. The second red one. Um the second one from the bottom. Or if it needs instead of or it if needs. So just Or it if means. Yeah. So it should be or
if it means do you do you guys want to see a copy of this that we're discussing. We would really appreciate it if everyone could make a real effort to speak up. Did I I'm sorry. Just keep yelling at me. Yeah. Sorry. We'll throw
things. Yeah, that's fine, too. It starts off good and then I just peter out and now I don't know why it won't let me put it on the screen. Is this in the public domain? It's on the town website. Okay. Even though it's draft even though it is a draft. Yes. Yes.
Because that's what we're discussing tonight. Okay. And then my final point was on page four of nine at the bottom the power line right ofway paragraph very last paragraph. Yep. I'm not sure if
significant and uncommon is the standard term or not, but it just sounded a little awkward. So, I don't know if we can say as both and uncommon and significant habitat, like just swapping the words a little bit, but as both significant and uncommon habitat sounded like we needed something. Okay, reverse
it. Reverse. So, N uncommon and significant habitat. And can I can I suggest instead of uncommon maybe unique? Is that really what you meant? Who knows? And I mean it could be a a unique and as both significant or
however we want to put it. Okay. I can and again apologies for not sending those to you everyone ahead of time but I forgot to email it. So there it will it will be very easy to edit and then convert everything in red to black.
Okay. So cool. converting everything in red to black, too. It will be easy to edit. That's everything. That's everything I had. So, no more mumbles. Okay. George. No. Um,
so I didn't send mine because I was I wanted to discuss them to figure out how we should do them. So the end of the power line rightway as we get to section page five, the last two bullets before forested
slope. Page five. Okay. So to me they just sounded more as like a general type item. And do you want to cover them in the general section, the general recommendations on page six or
Well, that's cuz it sounded a little cuz it's talking about the power line right away. Yeah. But then like for the first bullet you have there, it's like if development north of the rightway is unavoidable, planning board should consider the feasibility of reducing the road
crossings underneath the power lines to one rather than two. So, so move those to the general possibly general or actually the first bullet. I was initially thinking should it just go
into north at the right of way. Okay. Um, I know it's kind of been the Twix in between in the sense that it's talking about construction that would be in the right of way, the the National Grid right away, but the power line right
away, but it really kind of connects to the north of the rightway development all unto itself. Although so yeah because you say in the north Ed railway section you know if the planning board is
compelled to permit some development north of the rightway it should seek a reduction in the number of houses to limit the overall impact and then from there I guess my my initial thinking is do you just go into in addition limit the number of road crossing you know the
number of crossings of the our line up to that north of the Brighton way construction. Yeah. What does everybody else think? That's why I said I just kind of want to talk it through. Am I just am I confusing it or does it I think my
intent there was this was referring to what happens in the right of way. Okay. If because if there isn't any development north of the right of way then the right of way is protected. Right. Right. But if it if there is,
then they should do this for the right of way. I think it makes sense to keep it in the rightway section. I hear what you're saying. They're just everything on this project, right, is so okay. But I think it does make sense to keep it there. Okay. All right. And then in the last bullet there, so in addition to the
the installation of wildlife underpasses with appropriate fencing protection and the avoidance of the use of vertical granite curbing that would inhibit turtle movement should be considered. But then down in general, you talk about the use of turtle friendly Cape Cod BMS.
So I just kind of wonder is that duplicative? And at least the the the you know the curbing maybe could be removed. Although the you know the um you know the underground you know wildlife underpasses and stuff I guess
could stay there. Although I'll tell you right now there's no way they're going to allow an under under pass in the right way. Oh I know. So you can put it in there and then at least maybe they'll then consider other measures more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I
mean maybe other opinions. Yeah. On that. Is there a procedural reason why we would not want to be duplicating and putting it in multiple places? I mean, I'm kind of okay with kind of hammering in our point if we want, but yeah,
that's that would be my thought, too, is it's the only concern is that it's repetitive. I don't see the reason why we can't be. So, this area is like avoiding using vertical curbing. That that was Tom um
lighter housing from Mass Autobon. Mhm. And then the other recommendation though is more so this is don't do this and then the other one I think is is more prescriptive. Do this one. Okay. Which came from that that woman at Fish and
Wildlife. What's her name? Yeah. This keeps me right now. And Gagnon. Oh, the great and wonderful. So there's like one is prescriptive and the other is prescriptive.
Okay. Does that make sense? I'll accept that. Okay. Okay. And then where's the other one? Hold on a second. Oh, yeah. Top of page six, the last bullet.
So there, and this is just again getting a little bit into words smithing, but it says the planning board should also urge the applicant to investigate more modern techniques of storm water management. And I don't know, I was thinking, do we say in keeping with the original intent of protecting the land and limiting
development, the planning board should require the applicant to use more modern techniques? Should I like that? Could you read the first thing again? I'm keeping I scribbled it up there. Maybe you can read my mess.
Okay. More messy than mine. Protecting the land and limiting development or limited, you know, development of the property, something like that.
I would say limiting makes more sense than limited. Okay. Okay. No, I didn't hear what you said. Um, so he's saying in keeping with the original intent of protecting, how about if we add in in keeping with
the original intent of this? Yeah. Well, no, no, I wasn't so much the bylaw. It was more the what we were told about this whole development both in Grten and here was I'm going to buy up all this property and I'm going to
save a whole you know a whole bunch of it for you know protecting it things like that. So what I'm saying is in keeping with that you should do these things instead. It should be required that you do them.
Okay. I can do that. You know you know where I'm going. Okay, thank you. I think that was all I had. So, I'll convert everything in red to Mhm. You have the black. Yeah. Heather,
did you have anything? No. John, I don't. All the things we discussed on the phone, we you add it in there and you worked out. So, I was happy to see. Excellent work. Deicing on page seven. Is that hyphenated or should it not be
hyphenated? Second line from the bottom on page seven. So, yeah, right above BC. Yeah, I think it's hyphenated, isn't it? Grammatically, I think it's okay. I'll look that up. Okay. Um, another one for you on the
final page 9. The edit thing's telling me it should be a for mention, not for mentioned. And then I provided the above a for mentioned. I don't know if that's right, but if you want to. Okay. Yeah, I think yes, that is correct.
This is why I don't use words. Although I might then have to get rid of the above provided the aformentioned compliance was Yeah, I think that's fine. Okay. Oh, you ready? Sorry. Page eight of nine. Last bullet.
Withdraw the OSRD submission if they so choose instead of chose. You need another withdraw if they so chose. It's choose. Well, that one's an ambiguous one. I'll go with choose. But I mean, it was like
it could be. Yeah. No, I see what you're saying. You could mean it two different ways, but I So choose, but I think choose is better. I just do whatever the squiggly lines. My sister's English, not me. John, what edits did you have, John? You
hit them all. Is it amazing? Before mentioning that was great minds, as they say. Yeah. Well, you all have them. So there you go. All right. Uh um and one thing that's been raised is
that uh in the perpetual herptoidal report that was included with the um conservation analysis that there is no data for air. And when um the three of
us were in the meeting with Laura and Glorioso for natural heritage, she made it really clear that that report was never to get included with the submission to air in the first place because it releases data on potentially
on the location of the turtles. Sensitive information, sensitive information. And uh and I asked her uh well what about should we get more data on the turtles under the power lines? And her response was the reason
they natural heritage back when they were doing this in 2005 wanted that data which is when they got the 75% open space. And she said we don't need more data to tell us an animals there that we already know is there. They
hadn't included air in their data gathering before because the data was stronger and broaden. So, and they got a good a good set aside from that. So, so
if north of the power lines is allowed and we request the ecological survey to be done, does that cause them any angst?
Question. What's that? Said, oh, good question. Does it cause natural heritage? Yeah. So essentially that data now will become public knowledge. They don't want it to be that was that but that's what I'm
saying with the ecological survey that we're being we would be requiring will we not end up allowing it to come out. So the question is what would be the purpose of requiring more if they were to develop north of the
power lines because natural heritage does not does not want to touch the existing conservation management permit. Okay? because in 2005 they were able to
say 75% open space between the two towns. Okay. And because of new regulations in 2010 and the Blandings turtle is only a threatened species. It's not endangered. Okay. It sets a fixed ratio. They could
only uh require 50% set aside. So a lot less than than is current. And um so then the question is you know if if if
to what purpose would we want lot more data but that's what we that's what we're saying in the recommendation right is that if they are going to do it we oh highly recommend to have that e ecological right what was it you know
that that Annie was very concerned about that we to have that done. When they have that done, the data that comes back will right provide that turtle information. And that's when I'm wondering, are they going to have a problem that it now becomes public knowledge? Because it sounds like they
don't want people to know where the turtles are, which I believe is the idea. Right. Right. Right. So, yeah. Is that a problem? That's what I'm getting to. Uh, anybody have thoughts? I haven't talked about I think I I think
what in the recommendation where we're asking if they do develop we would like them to do this study. The planning board can still say no. They can um but let's let's go down the path. Let's go down the path that they decide that they
want to. Maybe we add language in there that it's a discussion with the planning board and the conservation commission before any study is done. and then that that can be worked out. I I I don't because I understand because yeah I I would hate to see the study get done and
have it not work in our favor which is I think is what the fear is in the most part. So can we just ask them? Well, it could also be if so I think I think the main thing we we've said is if the planning board doesn't want to accept
our priority areas assessment which includes north of the power lines then they could require more of a study. If that study were to include turtle information, I don't see why that couldn't be specified
as uh internal data, not for circulation to the public because of protection of the the species. Okay. And and maybe that could be just an overarching part of it. Maybe that
it's stated, like I said, anything that's endangered and threatened. Yeah. that that information would be kept private at the request of National Heritage. Maybe um they wouldn't request it, but it's
their I think there's we we we know what they thought about the original. They had taught told um the applicant not to include that with the submission and then they did. I think they told them a couple times. Yeah. The first time they submitted, I was called to
take it down. Yeah. Okay, that's weird. And uh where was I going? Um I have no idea what was I going to go.
So not at their request, but Oh yeah, we could redact it. Yes, we know this is their position that data on endangered or threatened species should not be made public and we we think that's a great so we would echo their concern. You
should be consistent with their Yeah. And then Yeah. And the files just rejected. Yes. We're the commission. We get to see it all. Only if I think that it's not important does it not become that important.
But if we think about it, we can just redact it. Exactly. Gotcha. I know there's a confidential things. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I think I've beaten everyone up to death.
Okay. So, I shall make these few little edits, few but brilliant edits and send Heather, are you in tomorrow? I sure am. I shall get this to you in the morning. Okay. And I know at the
planning board meeting on Tuesday, Bob Collins and Stan Dillis want to see want to see the recommendation. I sent them the draft. Okay. So, we'll send them the and I didn't I didn't hear anything from them. So yeah. So then we'll send them
the the final one, not the not draft and um send that on also then to the planning board. I think it'd be better if it was all circulated through you than through me. Okay. Is it signed by John like or
how does that happen? We've only ever done one other one, I think, right? I don't remember what we did. Yeah. Do you mind if she uses the signature stamp? signature stamp. I know what that is. So, any other any other comments?
Any comments from you all out there? No. Good work. Keep going. Keep going. Thank you for all your time and effort. It's appreciated. It's a worthwhile project to very important project. It is a very important question. Yeah, we use
the language for the slope down to long pond is that should be non-negotiable. Oh, so um and I meant to print this out, but they uh they can send this around at the planning board meeting. It sounds
like they're trying to they've moved some of the houses away from um the Long Pond side. They relocated them. Um, by the way, this is the the color of of the toxic bloom on the Eastern Shore on
yesterday. It's pretty. It's beautiful. Yeah. Little patches. It's not the whole pond now, but um that'll all be dispersed with the rain tonight. Oh, so it's getting better and better. But yeah, no, I just said at the planning board meeting, they did submit
revised plans to the planning board last on Friday, so we could go tomorrow. Um, moving all the houses on the Long Pond side. So, according to Stan Dillis, they'll now be from Wright Road to where the first houses start on the Long Pond
side. It's a half a mile. So, they're not having anything on that side and they're pulling things down closer to the road. So they actually have moved some the two two of the four the houses whatever closer to the road um and to
the other side. So that's a positive on that end. And he did state whether that goes into meeting migraph um that they will not put any storm water on that side either. Um whether that what the definitive plan ends up
showing will be a different story because they do soil testing and everything for that. But it was stated at least at one meeting if not another look another time that they won't even put storm water on the long pond side. They're going to try to keep everything out of development on that side. So
that's prior to the our recommendation anyway. So that's a that's a win on that front even before the recommendation. That's a big one cuz you walk down that slope, right? I know that's going here and then they had some houses.
They have heard of those are gone. Manoyan's whole idea or whole spiel about um you know development does not help taxes at all. Yeah. Um okay. Yeah. So hopefully
um with with Stan and and attorney Collins seeing the draft recommendation and and getting the the planning board to it, hopefully that creeps it up even more because there's still I mean the planning board was pushing questions to on lot sizes at their meeting. So
which range quite a bit from like 12 14,000 square feet to up to 30. Why can't they all just be right around, you know, 18? None of none of the lot sizes are more than 3/4 of an acre. Yeah. So, they're all fair there's they're still fairly small, but there are some bigger
ones in there. So, I think the conversation's now going to start probably going to that end of things, too. So, it's they're all making steps in the in in directions that are better, but it's it's going to be a challenge to get anything more, I think, than what we're seeing already.
But we can ask. Always can ask. Yes. Yes. So, um, I attended the the planning board for meeting and so I do have difficulty hearing. So, I'm not sure that I heard everything. I know that I didn't hear
everything that was said at the planning board meeting, but I was very encouraged to hear this and decided to not to put any development into the site that would drain into the pond. But my concern is
and I don't know whether this is something that the conservation commission would want to comment on is is just how they would want to have that area protected and because I think they were talking about storm management some
sort of storm management program and so I'm wondering if maybe natural vegetation there to encourage natural vegetation there uh would be uh a better solution than having some sort of
created system of storm water system put. You mean more like rain gardens and and things like that individual? Right. I think that a lot of uh the trees uh and natural vegetation have been removed
from the area. And I think I'm wondering if Well, I think that was in it's in the recommendation. It's in the recommendation that Yeah. Actually, if you go maybe to the general one, you can Yeah, you could show Marian.
Yeah, there's that. So, here's the power lines. Here are the power lines. And then where is it? Uh they have the two roads that go up and long ponds right here. Yep. And they're they're talking about not doing any storm water structures in there at all. Go to the
very top of that page. And we had we had said Yeah. Right here. I can't I can't highlight it. I can't see it. There we go. Yeah. Right in here. Some area that talks about rain gardens,
bio retention areas, swailes, detention basins located on the property or in shaded green areas. Shared green areas or I'm sorry, shaded shared. Yeah, I have highlighted it and blew it in here. And then we we also specify on
that slope that the trees the existing vegetation including the vegetation that was cleared in 2005 and has regrown that all of that should be left untouched. So that that keeps it natural vegetation.
Right. So but I'm not too dizzy. Was there any discussion about putting in any kind of structure to uh prevent uh um any kind of uh degragation to the ponds there? Structures? You mean like a
burn of some sort? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We I didn't really think about that, but yeah, I I think that's something when we see a definitive plan we can make comment on cuz we'll see where all the structures are going to go um and where the road and all the lots are actually
going to be. That would be more of a place I think to comment on that part of it cuz it would be a construction ask that we could put in the we could ask the planning board to put in their conditions of approval if it gets to that point. Um but until we know where all those structures are going to be on
on site and that won't come until the definitive plan that could we make that that ask and or could they even comment on it. And that gets I think that gets a whole engineering story. That'll get a whole engineering review anyway. Yeah. Yep.
Mary, are you talking about something just during construction or in perpetuity? In perpetuity. Right. Yeah. I guess I can't envision what that would look like without being ugly. Honestly, I guess I'd rather see the natural that's already there as opposed to see
the natural. Yeah. So, I don't I'm not I I don't want to see Yeah. She doesn't want to see anything. Oh, yeah. Right. Right. I think we're on the same page. Okay. Yeah. It's a good point. Thank you. Anything else?
We vote on this. Oh, yes. Yes. One point. Y um which is the neighbors um at the planning board meeting had complaint about the existing drainage because there's one detention basin that's
currently in, but it's not completed obviously. And so, um, I think there was a few people had indicated that one had, um, gone across the street and into the
pond. Yep. E, etc. And, uh, I was wondering if I'm sorry, I didn't have a chance to read I didn't realize that your draft was posted, so uh, I didn't I didn't look at it. I don't know if you've addressed that at all. that has
been sent to the Department of Public Works to look at. Um, unfortunately, conservation questions, we have no permit. We can't nothing we can do. Um, the planning board, I sent the question to them a while back just because they had the application in front of them, but since there is no real active, so
the the town has decided so it has gone to the Department of Public Works since they're the ones that hold storm water to to investigate. So if you have any further questions on that, I would direct you to the to them to look into because it's unfortunately it's something I can't I can't enforce it. So
the concern's been there and it's been addressed. It's been sent to the to the DPW to look at. We captured it in the minutes from last uh last meeting and so yeah, so it's been sent to DPW and we're kind of hoping that it get pursued. It's my understanding that if um
if there's erosion that's more than 100 ft away from wetlands and therefore not typically under your jurisdiction um then that that that is indeed the case you don't have any jurisdiction. However,
once it's been documented that there is an issue. So in other words, if a neighbor has pictures where the dirty water is running down the road and across the street into the pond, then that's a different story. Yes. Then the
the conservation commission can claim jurisdiction even if it's more than 100 ft away from the wetland resource. So, but you you know in in the future if that comes up Yeah. I think I would
rather leave this in the DPW hands right now. Living at the bottom of one of the other streets, heavy rains, get a lot of silt and dirt washes down the roads and then over the grass and
stuff. Um, in this case, I think there's a natural lip of the road. So, all that's coming off the site is is rainwater with some sediment. A lot of that sediment will not go over the road, just
the water. It'll drop down, but then it's got over a tenth of a mile down Standish Avenue to filter out. Then it goes over grass. Then it goes over gravel. So, it's not going directly into
the pond. It's uh sort of a natural normal filtration. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. I I haven't seen it myself. I was under the impression that they were saying it was coming down the the dirt
subdivision road and then washing across it. It's got a ways to go. Yeah. Cross right. Yeah. Um, I think if we could if if DPW can go out there and ask them to at least get some bales in there to kind of
control it a bit, I think that's probably best as we can do at the moment and without really causing more issues maybe. We'll probably get another video tomorrow morning. Good rain. Good. We take our own, but yeah, I don't we don't
have jurisdiction over that regardless. I mean, I thought about that, but yeah. I mean, mother nature. Yeah. If you start pointing fingers, there's nothing a lot. I mean, if it's if it's as far as you mean, I mean, if it's
truly, you know, greater than 500 ft, then Yeah. Then, yeah, that would really kind of stretching it. Yeah. If it was, like you said, pretty close within 100 ft or something like that, then Yeah. Yeah. And if you had oil and fuel runoffs or fertilizers coming down
unchecked, that's a different matter, right? Which is why that once it's under construction, then they really Oh, yeah. to control that. Y um that basin is a weird basin. It
most of the time, particularly this year in the drought, it's dry the whole summer. Sure. Um, in the winter it does fill up and hold water, which for the neighborhood kids is a great little ice skating rink. So, um, but
but yeah, once once they start this up again, y if they do if it goes that far, um, then they they do have to address all this. Anything else before we vote?
Motion to approve the conservation recommendation as amended by our clerk, Miss Gino, to be submitted to the planning board for their review. So move. Second. Was moved by George
Bacon, seconded by Mark Phillips. I'm going to do a roll call vote period is because Jen, how do you vote? I. Jess, how do you vote? I. George, how do you vote? I. Mark, how do you vote? I chair Woods I passes unanimously.
All right, that feels pretty good. Mayor. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Will you be putting the final version on the website as well or um it's up to you if you want to. We
can. Yeah, I mean it should I think we should put I can do that. Um it may take until beginning of next week. But yeah, planning board is going to look at this on Tuesday. Fall Tuesday. The week after. Is it this coming Tuesday or
week? No. Yes, follow. They're going to look at it at their meeting on the 25th for their own discussion and then they'll be looking at it again with Bob Collins and Stan Dillis in attendance on the 9th. On the It's the 9th. Yeah.
Yeah. And they may have somebody else Oh, they may have uh D Seth Dano. Somebody else from from uh Dillis and Roy at the meeting on the 25th just in case.
been lettering that. Um, is there any need for us to be there to um other than our own? I actually don't think it hurts if if if people want to be there 25th 25th or and
or be nice. Yeah. Um, if more than two of us were going to be there, we'd have to post it. Yeah. Which is not a problem. No. How far in advance can you remind me that we have to post it?
Um, I just need to know by Friday at the latest. So, whatever that Friday is. 21st. Yeah. Friday. Yes. For the planning boards. Yeah. For the planning boards. Yeah. I mean, that's Yeah, it's a endall date.
Yeah, because I think it's good if if we're there also to to address their comments. Yeah. And if it's if it's more than more than just my loud mouth. Yeah. And all I'll do is if we are going to have a quorum there, I'll mention it to Mark the planner and the chairman um
Jonathan that we'll have a quorum there to do like a joint meeting just for that one part. Yeah. I mean, I've been going to those meetings partly as a commissioner, but but also because I'm a resident in that
neighborhood. So, always attend as a resident, not a commissioner, right? Is that possible or no? Wait, can you remove yourself for Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, if the three of you went, you could be there as a
resident. Well, I'm a resident, too. Well, I think the state I think the state would say now. Yeah. Better to bring a side of caution than Yeah. Hope that it goes. I'll let you know then if I Yeah, that's it's fine.
All right. Very good. And uh next next item this evening is a discussion of the special orders of conditions template. Yes. So, Heather,
I was thinking, yes, that it might be hard to put boxes on. That's what I I looked at like I I started reading through them and I remember the comments of putting boxes or like applicable and it does not make sense. Um there is ones there's a few
sections in them as you review them uh that are left blank because they are going to be sight specific. So that would be where we would have those items. So, like under the wetland replication area, um I had I grabbed
just for my own reference the air solar 2 had cuz I left this with heat last time. What do you want a box for? There was like 15 conditions. So, when we first reviewed this way back when I think in July, oh, we wanted to check them off to check
them off um to to ones that are applicable and which ones are not. the more I read I read through them after me and Jess went through them all and and double checked them there may be one or two throughout the
whole thing that may not go with every site. Okay. Um so it's in my prof in my opinion um it's better just to leave them all in. Um, and if something doesn't comply and a applicant goes, well, that doesn't really comply to the
site and the commission goes, "Okay, fine. We'll take that out." But in general, we just leave them all in. And then we get the specific ones when we get to retinal replication areas, something from an HCP, stuff, items like that that would be more specific to that site. Whereas everything that's listed
in in this draft here is more or less for all sites. Boiler play. It's more of a boiler plate for everything. It's again, I think we had it when we went to the transmission line for the water line for the um
sandy pond that you they're not bringing bases. They're not going from one like a huge site from one side to another like okay then you just don't do that like we're telling you can't but you're not going to do that so it doesn't it doesn't matter. So there's just there's a f there's some small ones in there that it it might just some sites they
someone might point it out and go well that's not apply here. Okay. Doesn't apply. Then we're good. You just It's in there just in case is how I read it. Yeah. So, could we we could we could adopt a procedure of xing out in in a
thick black marker the ones that we don't want. Well, I mean, as a as a whole anyway, we have to draft this, right? Because we do put the D number, we do put the project title and everything here. And findings will be different for every site. Um the the we
list I believe in here we do yeah we list the notice of intent the plans. So it does get changed per um owner of conditions. So if we were to see some in here because I do this the planning board too with our general conditions which is special conditions
because we don't have state ones. Um if it really doesn't apply and someone makes a you know like an applicant goes well this really doesn't apply to the site. Can we remove it? Then the board votes on it. take it out. Yeah. Right. Because every everyone's going to be different anyway because the first two pages are specific to that site anyway,
listing the plans and the details and findings. I just don't see the need in in having boxes in going through how many pages of this like 12 pages of conditions, right? For everyone and be like, "Well, this one doesn't apply, doesn't just throw them all in there."
And if someone says, "You know what? This one doesn't apply. Can we take it out?" Okay. Yeah. And the board votes on that. Yeah. In the spectacle bottom, we said, "No, leave it in." Like I said, the evasive ones we said no. Yeah. You know what? You know what? It's on the start. Yeah. So I And I think as we get
go through it and use this, I think you'll see that you might have in a course of a year, depending on how many applications we have, maybe two or three that will really stick and go, well, this doesn't really apply. The rest I'm just going to, oh, okay. But I probably won't even read it. Yeah. I know. Like Allison Nolman when she would come in
for for New England Power. Yeah. you know, she always like, you know, she looked through that. Thank you ladies for coming. Take care. You know, she's like, you know, this doesn't apply, this doesn't apply. Okay. Okay. And that's and that's what I think it's it's more or less it's just going to be easier to leave them all than to try for every
order of conditions to go through 10 pages of specials and and pickpoint which ones apply and don't. Yeah, I agree. Um, so just for an example, can you just just highlight like number five? I think if you just, you know,
click down on it. All right. So now if you right click, can you just do like a strike through on the file? Does it allow you to do that? Um, not this is a PDF. It's a PDF and I don't have Adobe on it. So Oh, okay. But if we have it as a word type of thing, then yeah, to your
point, Mark, you can right click, just do strike through. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So that way it's not totally obliterated, but we still see it. I think that would probably be the best way. Just like she said, only when it's requested. So yeah, and the strike through would would would visually look like we did
it, not like somebody's tampered with it after. And Mar is a good point, too. Number five is actually going to depend on what kind of one they did. This is one of the reason that was the first one I read. I go, I can't do boxes because five will be either the top one or if
they did an A and red, it'll be the bottom one. Okay. I didn't even see that. But okay, so I just noticed I go, "Oh, that's a good example." I'm like, "Why is it or?" Oh, that's why because if like with Stratton Hill, they did a resource area delineation. So, there is a D number for that and if they do come
back to us for an NOI for for for an NOI for any reason, we get to reference it in the special orders. Whereas, if they didn't, so that's going to change no matter what. Okay. I think that was the first one I saw. I'm like, wait a minute. Well, that that doesn't work for that. And then the more I read, I go, yeah, it just doesn't work to try to do
a checkbox and and try to it's just it's going to be messy. Yeah. No, I agree. So, as you work with it, Yeah. then you'll find out what things Yeah. And if I if I see stuff that comes up too as it goes forward or gets questioned, I I
think then but um I don't know what we had as far as questions with the old version. Um, but I like I said when I was going through this the draft there there is just an OC attached for wetland replication area and air solo 2 did have
15 separate conditions that have some of them have A B CDE E and F for um wetland items and I'm like oh yeah that's and that's going to be those are going to be specific. They're going to have details on the plans that the engineers draft for those for the replication areas. So, those are going
to change anyway per application, but these ones that are listed in this draft here are just generic ones now. But yeah, everything besides the um yeah, anything with a with a permit from
the state for any reason and then replication areas, those are conservation restrictions. Those are going to be there's a whole project specific section that we can add those items to and the rest of it is yeah, it's just it's called special conditions because D
has their own general condition. This is more or less air conservation commission's general conditions. We just call them special cuz that's just how we have to name them. Special. So for number 12? Yes. Can we put a time limit on that? The
commission the commission shall be notified in writing of any changes or updates to this information. Um okay. I'm sorry. That's actually not the changes. That's just the changes to the the context. Okay. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. Okay.
No, that's that's Yeah, the the planned part is is actually further in there. Just before they even put a excavator on the ground. Yeah. And is 11. It actually is not so much a pre-construction because it talks about
being throughout. Should there be a section that is that is doesn't put us in Well, no, because they're going to have those stags of flakes out there before that's Should you just go in their
general site conditions, maybe or am I confusing? Um, we could just start it with wetland boundaries shall be clearly marked with flags and stakes clear distinguishable to be repaired and replaced at as
necessary and then end it with this. This shall, you know, remain in effect throughout the duration of the project and until the issuance of the certificate. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying
should it just go under general conditions here? Yeah. On looking at Yeah, I get I understand you're saying but it needs to be out there on site before they start construction. That's why I think it's under preconstruction.
So maybe if we move it to the last pre-construction. What if you move general conditions just to the beginning before you separate things? Yeah. Yeah, we could do that. You know what I mean? It's kind of like the whole idea like this is overarching regardless. Yeah.
And then this is specific to pre-construction. This is specific to construction. This is specific to post construction. So Heather, you can edit around. Yeah. Yeah. I'll make that. I'll make that. I'll I'll play around with it and I'll look at taking this one and
moving it to general and then move general conditions to the beginning and we'll see how that looks cuz yeah. So I started looking at this. I'm like, you know what? I think this looks good. Let's see what they all think. And that's a good idea.
HH will play. Yep. With that. My initials never changed. It's always been a change. 32 and 33. Yep. They look more like
something that applies after construction. 32 and 33. The dumping. Yeah. Yes. Those are those are post construction. Those those are found in general. Um
Yeah, those are the general. Okay. You're kind of lost in there between contractor's responsibility and the homeowners responsibly. Is that appropriate? Would you prefer festive trees? I'm just asking. I know it kind of stuck in my
crow a little bit, too. I have no issue with it, but I'm sure others may. I think I'm just I just asked the question. Why Why couldn't it be more than a generic tree? Why does it have to be just Christmas tree? It could be
Christmas or festive trees. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but at the same time also recognize that that's like a common sense concern, right? So, okay. If the Christmas people would just stop dumping their trees,
just kidding. Say it louder, um, I don't mind lying to the fire department. Just have a fake one. I'm going to kill one because trees are too expensive. Um, we had a when I used to be at the
umbrella at the at the artist center, we used to have a Christmas sale and we couldn't do that. We they got complaints and then we had a holiday sale that got complaints. So, we had to make it into a winter winter market, right? So, everybody's
got winter. Could we just do like Christmas slash um holiday? Yeah. How about like holiday decor or you mean you get wreaths in there too, right? We want to specify because it is we want it we we can
broaden it but we want to have Christmas trees in here cuz that's the biggest culprit. Yeah, cuz I'd be comfortable just taking it all together. But but we have we do have tree dumpers. They got stuff on them a lot of times too.
So for meeting that 32 and 33, do we we don't have a post construction section, right? We don't have a post Well, we need we should have one then. Um ongoing maintenance. Um it would go would it go there? Or
hook up. Okay. So then make it post construction and ongoing maintenance. Okay. Got it. Good. 37. Mhm. Said to avoid periods of high surface water.
You mean floods? Um, well, like they shouldn't be doing grading on a day like tonight's rainfall when it's heavy rains. I don't think they generally would anyways, but
wouldn't you never know. Yeah. And yeah, I floods I I feel like might have a actual definition whereas high surface water like oh the water's high. There's standing water here. We shouldn't do anything. And I feel like we put floods there. Someone will be
like some lawyer. Well, there's a definition for a flood doesn't meet that definition. And I don't want to put that in there and risk that. You want to get rid of that one. So we could I mean get rid of periods of high surface water say periods of standing water. When you say
so surface water, are you talking literally water on the surface or do we just mean during periods of high precipitation? No, no, no. Um like what is it? Soil. Oh, you know like the water in like
water table the ground like ground water levels or saturation. Yeah, something like that maybe. Was that kind of maybe more appropriate, George? Um, like high high ground saturation or something. Is it that or is more like
just not doing it like right before a rainstorm? Yeah, you want to walk out there today grading. How about to avoid periods of heavy rainfall? Well, but but George, you said prior to
heavy rain. You said it correctly. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's different for me than what I was thinking at all. I was thinking like when it is wet after, don't do it. You're saying don't do the grading if it's going to be like you said high
um like tonight high rain because you gone and graded everything and planted it but obviously it's not going to take I wasn't even thinking like that. So are we trying to say two different things with this one bullet then? Yeah.
One's begun grading cuz it should be too I guess the second second sentence sort of addresses what you're talking about, George. Yeah. Yeah. So be we could get rid of that first sentence. I'm not wedded to it. Yeah. Yeah. We could we could get rid of the the first sentence as a whole to to eliminate any
confusion or have it say schedule to avoid um periods of high um precipitation because it could be snow, it could be ice, it could be any of those things. Um
snow melt, any of you're not going to want any water or anything in there when you do it or coming I'm fine. But yeah, I think maybe taking that whole first sentence out might eliminate more the confusion than anything.
Well, and you know, in practical terms, if they have grading grading equipment coming in, you know, at a certain time, they're just going to do it regardless because they have the crew there. Yeah. Um maybe we could just say
you know grading and construction should not occur during high saturation levels. Okay. Or you could just say or when soil is saturated. Don't even have to say high because they'll say okay we'll define
high. Just say when soil is saturated. Okay. All right. We'll play around with that one. It's yours, baby. I just s you don't plant things when it's done, right? Cuz you just got to wash all your seed away. So why would you grade it? You're going
to take all your time away and you get a forest over here and you get dirt over here. They don't care if the seed takes. They just know that they did what they were supposed to do. I know. It just needs to look good until purchase and sale is over. I'm on the opposite side where I don't know how many thousands of
dollars spent on Hastings. And I'm walking every direction across the field. Yeah. In number 40. Yes. Um where things are stockpiled outside of the resource area.
Does that do those piles need to be contained somehow? So that If you do get a big rain event, it's not going to wash. Yes. So, um, that's typically something somebody
would know. Um, I had to go check on a site today, you know, tomorrow to make sure things happen. That'll come up in in our my update with you guys, but I did mention it um to a contractor yesterday about covering the piles because we were going to get rain.
Typically, they know that. Um, sometimes they don't. So, yeah, we should put in there that they should and it's it's it's that they should be covered. Yeah. If they're going to stay if they're going to stay for a long, you know, more
than a few days, they should be covered. Yeah. Okay. So, we can add I can add um language in there to have them covered either when rain's coming or just general after so long.
on 42. Yes. Should we say um maps for temporary construction railways, but will also be removed as soon as practical, excuse me. Or maybe that's in another section.
Again, I think these things should be nice. Like, yeah, of course, you remove them, but yeah, we'll put in there. I'm just thinking cuz the ones that typically use erosion like the matting is um national grids don't work on the
power lines right now and they brought their mats in. Of course they're going to take those out because they use them in the next construction site. They don't just leave them. So why I'm like yeah of course you take those out. Stone is a little bit harder to remove. Um that's why I'm saying so that would have
to be but yeah if we put in that it needs to be removed. Let's put it in as soon as possible in the surface and stabil. Yeah. Then we'll get more question on that one and then we can get it clarified up because in my head like why would we use stone then and you use the math easy to remove and that's
easier on us cuz then little stones everywhere. So just like it did replication they use the plastic mats and all right. Yeah. But so yeah unless we want to take stone out all together and don't want stone.
Sometimes they use it though. They'll use it at construction entrances. Yeah. And that's to clean the the tires off before they get out to the road so they're not trucking sediment in and that's why they use stone. Um and then that'll eventually I think it whatever they do to pave I don't know how they
take that out or so I'm sure the paving company does something where they dig it all out or not but we can make sure it's in there that it gets removed. They take it to New Hampshire. What? They take it to New Hampshire and disperse of it. and wash it. Use it again. I don't know.
But yeah, usually they use crush stone at the beginning of construction. And I think it even might be in here that that it needs to be in there. It might be in that pling board once that they had to put rock at the beginning to make sure they're not tracking sediment onto the road. And or that might be DPW that has
it on. Somebody has it. So for 60. Yes. We can take a vote on is it week or do we leave it as week month and it's filled out as we go. I think that's the idea of that is what's necessary for
that site. Yeah. Like solar 2 weekly when they're working. But I think this would be where we we would cross out the one we don't want. Right. Yeah. I feel like it's per project or even like I'm okay with that. Yeah. And like the
you know this construction is not going on full board. It's more of a sporadic thing where we're not going to go out there on a weekly basis. We might go on a bi-weekly basis. So it might be something even changes to twice a month, once a month, twice a week. It might change depending on the project and the activity that's going on. Yeah. We could
really mess with people and put hourly, daily, weekly, monthly. Yeah. So I think that that's something that might just change depending on the project because Yeah. You might get a small project where yeah, it it only lasted, you know, a couple weeks. So, yet we'd only go out, you know, you know, once or twice.
So, so for something like So, do you leave you want to leave week knowing that that's more than likely the case and then yeah, maybe a blank spot just after in case we decide it needs to be something different. Yeah, I think that's something that we're going to have to play around with on it might change from project to project on that
one. I would say on some of those things, leave it in red just like you know where we have like the D numbers in red because that will stand out stand out. So it has to be changed for each one. So leave that cuz that would then
be that signals that one has to be specified because if we thought for some reason it needed to be bi-weekly, I would just go weekly. If we're that concerned that it can't be monthly, it's weekly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
that's true. Yeah. And then if it was something that were to change for some reason that it doesn't go out um every week, then if it's in the special orders that it does, I might request that the applicant send
me something so I can throw in the file to be like, "Okay, you requested it for not doing it and we're fine with that and it's in the file. I'm good." All right. Cuz I rather the file be this thick and everything documented than be like, "Oh, we had a phone call."
Yep. So that's how I've been doing things. So when you make the new change, Yes. then it should we should put it to Robert and Carly. Okay. Do they want to expend town council resources on it?
They're getting a little I think cautious on how much they spend on town council, but okay. At one point Carly thought it'd be a great idea to have it vetted by town council. I'm not sure they still would give them
expenses, but see put it in their lap, but All right. using it until we hear from them, which so should be quickly. Mhm. We never do. Yeah. Yeah. I think it should be vetted.
Well, we can use it. Yeah. Mhm. Um but it'd be nice to have them take a look at it because they had some concerns with I I did it once before when I worked in another town that I had a huge special order conditions that I was afraid were going to get challenged. Um and I brought them to D to review in case it
was so they would stand me up on. So it's a probably good idea to have count just in case we ever had a challenge on it. Yeah. So question is then, have we really added or changed anything on this since what we've always had? No, we have. It's not Well, it's cleaned up. It
It kind of combined a few of them together or separated them out, but everything that's in there has been in there before. So, different order. Go back to our Central Avenue review. Mhm. Where town
council was involved. Yep. and told us as to, yeah, I kind of agreed this probably shouldn't be in there and just do a comparison and see if we're out of compiance with any of that. Do you know which one at Central Lab it was? Um, zero zero and 31. But I I did
look at their comments when I was doing this draft and um so we got rid of like the a signed affidavit. Yeah, the affidavit's gone. We've gotten rid of all the Yeah, all the references. So, I wouldn't think we would need council to look at it cuz they've already looked at
what it was before and you've made adjustments and modifications based on that. But they had there were a few of them where they they had some concerns and we argued with them a little bit and said, "This is why we have it in there." And I think I remember them saying, "Okay, I could probably argue this, but
yeah, it'd be nice to get a to have them look at it again." You know, it's just it's always just a question to to Carl and Robert be like, "Hey, we we reddrafted this from what it was before before town couned the first time. Do you want do
you think it's worth an effort to have them look at it again or can we just use it without it? Just it's just a sentimental question to them and Robert might review it himself and go, "No, I think that all looks fine. I don't I don't know how they do those things." But I think it
just to ask the question to them, it doesn't hurt. Okay. Yeah, I think it'd be nice to and then we have the answer, right? That you know that office supports what we're doing. So that's good. Okay. We never did get an update from town council to your email asking
what the status of Central Avenue is. Yeah. So, we have to use something until if they if it does go to town council, we have to use something in the meantime cuz it could take months. Yeah. Well,
the town council, they were going to contact someone else and I'm not sure that ever happens. So, one more time. Uhoh.
Number 45. I wish it would be, but now he's thinking of presidents. I'm just thinking of the song. Jeez, I was just thinking of the song. Okay. What we got? The shall be reconstructed to the extent practical as early
timeline as possible. That's nice, but it's not enforcable. No, it's not. There's no scanning. We put a smiley face at the end of it. I'm asking you to keep that information up front.
So, having it in here? Okay. So, take that one out or what do you want to do? But where would we put that in the permit? This is going. This is the permit.
No, I mean in the application. We want to see that. Yeah. I mean, we'd want to see that done. I mean, that's that in my opinion, that's just how you do construction. Um Um So, you're saying that would already be
spelled out and why it Yeah. Um, so I mean we may want to after that say that it shall be constructed within so many months based on our early review.
talk about um if you look at number 14 um where they have to do a preconstruction meeting and submit in writing following
items. Um um that could include construction sequence for storm water and stuff. Yeah, they don't like it. Okay. Yeah, I said they're I could tell you they're going to they're going to depend on what materials they can get
in, who they can get on site. Yeah, it I think having it as a almost like as an ask in here is the best we can do. It is best to have those things done first. We You're right. It's not really enforceable, which is why it's best
degree possible. It's not saying that they have to, but we're asking that they do it if they can. Well, you say it shall be constructed within 20 months of the start of work. Okay. or to the extent practical project
and the blank months would be in red because it would be a and that whole thing would be yes in red. Okay, sounds good. Okay, we can do that. Is it in forcible if it's being built within our buffer zone?
If we have one in there, we can modify the conditions to state that. Yeah. So, as long as it's within our jurisdiction, we can enforce it. Oh, yes. One of the things I think we were trying we we started putting something like
this in because Pingry Hill had that one house where the infrastructure was a for the whole site including storm water was a separate order and then you had the house lot orders. There was one house
um where the house was completed, sold, homeowners were in and it was like two years later that they started the developer started entering the property to put in a storm water basin and we got holy hell for that.
Um you know it was two separate orders. Um and we were trying to That's something I guess we we've learned in our reviewing that we could try and keep in mind when we look at future projects like that. But yeah, cuz
like when we did Panther Place, we we told them that we wanted the separate one just for all the infrastructure and that goes in first, right? If I remember correctly, didn't we do it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So could 45 be split to say
when they are planned within the commission's juris jurisdiction. They must be completed prior to construction. Wasn't that the whole order? Do you think it's obvious? Well, no. Just like if it's within our juris This
is within our jurisdiction. Yeah. Everything in this is in our jurisdiction. Everything in here is Yeah. jurisdiction. Yeah. So I don't think so. How can we not enforce it? I'm confused. I guess I just don't get it. It's it's hard to saying. So what's that? There's no
standard. There's no standard. So if someone has a project like like I said cuz I'm going out there constantly air solo too. There's multiple storm water basins. There's multiple replication areas. True. They started everything and then focused
on the panels and are now going back through and finishing everything, which is what my my issue over there has been in my head. Construction makes sense to do one project at a time, whether it's going in or out of the project, which is you get contractors that do that, you
get ones that don't. And the whole point of of this is to have them do that. But again, you try to go out there and go, you need to work on this one. Well, I can't get I can't get those materials in now. I can get these ones in so I can do this part. So it's it's not enforceable to the point where you can't make someone do something they physically
can't do, but we can make the ask. And when I can make the ask and go, it's listed in your order of conditions that if it's pos if it's all feasible, that's what you must do, then it gives it a little bit more oomph to it. But I can't be like, you're shut down until you do it. Because if they physically can't get
those in, then I now have a site that's wide open that can fall go into failure cuz I'm stopping them from doing something because it's written in they must. It's best to keep work going that can do, but if it is in the timeline and
feasible with work and equipment to do, then that's what they do first. And that's I think having it spelled out as please do if you can, that's the better way to do it and enforcing it. But didn't we have
didn't we have a site over by you? I thought where we they came in asking for us to allow them to put the roadway through, but they would then immediately do that replication area because they wrote whatever they wrote initially was wrong and there's
like they couldn't do the road the replication without the road there. had to switch it. And I think we talked about because they're so useless about putting in a deadline because they wouldn't do it otherwise. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. Sometimes these are going to get tweaked a little
bit per application, too. They're not going to be 100, you know, I mean, there might be one app, one order that has an extra word in here or two or a deadline be because of whatever builder we know or the site specific that they do get tweaked a little bit. But again, it's
going to be far and few and far in between. Okay. Everybody else is okay with that. I'm fine with I'm okay. Okay. I'll I'll screw some up and if you want me to to to want to review them before I send them to Carl Robert, I'll do that. If not, I'll send
it to them to look at. Send it Carly and Robert to see if they wanted to go to council or anything. Send it. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. Anything else on that before we mosey on?
All right, this one's going to take a while. This one? Yes. So, um, D number 10092 was for work permitted back in 1990.
I received a call last week. I think it was Thursday or Friday of last week looking for the certificate of compliance um because it had not been recorded going through the files and meeting minutes. It was back in Jan uh
February of 2021 right in the height of CO that the certificate of completion uh compliance was issued. All I have is a copy. you cannot record on a copy. So, we do
need a new one issued uh signed by the commission. It was voted on on the January 25th, 2021 meeting to issue um unanimously by roll call vote. Who was
there? Um all five of you cuz five to zero. So, this was Zoom. Yes, Zoom. It was Zoom. So that was one of the ones where Joanne was signing for us. Yes. So it's it has the one that I found does have it signed for her, but because it's not it's a copy. Um you can't record on
a copy. Probably back then you could have due to co like they were probably but I I don't have it now and I don't think they would allow that. So you just need to I just need you guys to sign a new one which I have and I don't know.
Oh, here it is. Was the registry even open for business? Probably not. Yeah, but I have a new one that it just needs to be signed. It said it's already been voted on. It was voted on on January 25th, 2021. This is just a mute point that it was never recorded and we need
an original to do so. And I'll get a call from the lawyer's office tomorrow asking where it is. So, when do we do a site visit on that one? Well, according according to the the old one, it was already done. I'm kidding.
Socially distant on the 17th of 2021. Oh, I thought you said when did we call conservation? Can you get these weird little things? Did you see the emails from Joe Honorado? I do. I have them as far as the update. Okay, you
can. Um, this is really weird. If I look at my town account on my phone, Yeah. his emails are there. If I look at it on my computer, they're not there. Oh, weird. It's just weird. That's weird. No, I I
have I was going to I was going to summarize it under the update. Yeah. And will you respond to him then? Yes, I will do that. Okay. Get him used to Heather, not Jess. Yeah, not Heather and Jess, just Heather. But that's it was
like I was looking on the site the other day on my computer and it's like I swear there was an email and then I went back and looked at it. Yeah, there was an email the other day and then he sent one this this afternoon. Uh yesterday afternoon. That one didn't appear on my computer
version of my town account, just on my iPhone. I mean, she sent one today, but yeah, the same town account. Who are you talking about? So, you know, you know, we have our JBGO at air.mma. us, you know, the town website. If I go into it
from my iPhone, those emails are there. If I go into it from my computer, the same account, it's not they're not there. That's weird. Evil evil technology. Okay. So,
gaslight. I'm being gaslit. I know. Down halls. George, you're behind this. You're trying to drive me mad. What do you think I'm doing right now? Little laptop. really. Do you have some updates for us? Um, I
do. Um, we'll go with the faster ones first. Um, so today I went out to a group meeting with other conservation agents and agencies to PPE to look at a dam removal project they did over there at the Keys Conservation Land. They did
it. Yes, they did. Um, they did the work last October. Um they replaced a covert and they're replacing a second covert as part of the same stream. Um I think they said starting next week. So I got to see a look at that project and how much it's grown up in the course of less than a
year and it it looks just like a wet like a wet meadow would be. It's just all grass with this little stream that cuts through and it was really neat um to see that and how how they did that. And now I'm like okay where can we do these things here? So so that was I did that today. Um, we
all know that the MAC conference is on Saturday. Anybody is going. Um, I'm currently working on a tree removal policy that I started drafting and I'll have it in draft form for you guys to review next meeting so we can do the
hearing in November to get it on hopefully approved. Um, it basically spells out what we're going to do if someone calls looking to remove a a hazardous tree, dead or dangerous tree on the property and if they want to cut a healthy tree within the buffer zone
and how we're going to um remediate those as far as replacing them if we want to um or or not and the procedure as far as that goes, whether how I meet it, how the conservation commission gets involved, it's going to spell all that out. So, if anybody ever calls and has a
question, we already have that done. Um, and is it something that we'll just follow or is it gonna be a policy that's posted? It's gonna be policy that's posted. Um, that's going to go on the town's website and then once we get once they get a handle on that one, I going to work on one for irrigations. Um, especially ones pulling out from the
pond. So, we have a policy on that whether we allow it or not and under what restrictions since we've already had we had one since I've been here. You guys had one the year before. Um, if we get a policy on board on that, then once we have that, if we do see legal ones, we'll have a enforcement agency on that
as well. And there's multiple. Yeah. So, I think once we get a policy involved, maybe it'll we'll work our way on that one. But we're going to start with trees first cuz that one I I' I've researched that one the most. So, okay. And so, we I'm working on that.
Um, like Jess was saying, we we got an update from our water and wetland uh company that's doing the treatments on the ponds. They actually went out yesterday to look at Sandy Pond and do a survey on it to see about because they didn't do the treatment because of the
algae bloom. They did note that only two invasives were found on site. Um the mil foil was um only noticed in the southeastern corner and is very unhealthy and dead and dying. Um, and the what was the
other one? Forgive me. Oh, is it fan wart? Yes, fan wart was found in two locations, but again didn't look great. So, there's thinking that their that their
treatments have been working. The other b the um native plants on site have are all in in good condition. They tried doing a water clear. They did a oxygen level that was all normal for fish and other uh wildlife in the pond.
They tried doing a water clarity and it failed at 2 feet because of the algae bloom. So they couldn't do a water clarity on it 100%. So since they haven't finished all of their work on there, there's some um outstanding bill that won't get invoiced until they do
that. But they did give us an update and I can forward that on to everybody if they want to read the full extent of their report, but they did go out yesterday to survey Sandy Pond. Okay. And they're they're going I talked with email Joe and they're going to give
us some options on how to deal with that algae game and their year end report. Okay, nice. I mean, if there are any and um the the bigger update is I was out I've been going out to Air Solo 2 every um Wednesday with the um with
Rihanna, the environmental monitor to to review the site. Um he asked that I give him update, let him know when I'm going to go out, so I'm just going to go out and she's there. Um they had been working out on site over the last few weeks um last week. So just to give you an idea of how progression has gone
because it in my opinion looks really good. So, this is what the large basin looked like. I can't decide. The picture is small. Uh, a uh in August when we we first started going out. I started going out there on a more regular basis. And here's what it looks like now. Oh, it
won't open. No. Why did it open? It's the It's Jen. I was so pr I'm so proud of the progress that they've made. Sorry
is unsupported. It's the same. It's the same. Is it because it say I took it with my phone and not the town's phone? Maybe. Let's try another one. Anyway, they have gone through and done an ex. So, when I I met out with Roit two weeks ago on a Friday after this, I
think after one of our meetings, I gave him a list of everything that was in violation of his special order conditions. Um, and since then he'd been he took everything I said and basically at the end of it said if you violations of
these can cause an enforcement order. Um, since then he's he's taken everything I put in there to heart. They now have a copy of the plans and the order of conditions in a mailbox in the solar array. So if any because I said there's never been anyone of the plans on site. So now if I ever asked the question like do you have a copy of the
plan? They actually have it. So the plans and the order conditions are on site. No questions asked. They're now there. They are trying a construction trailer. What? Don't they have a construction trailer? Really? No, there is now um erosion control uh extra erosion controls on site. They've been
there for the last couple weeks. 15%. Yes. They had gone through from from last Wednesday to this Wednesday, they have replaced I want to say 90% of the silk fence and or hay bales have all been replaced.
They've dug out both um replication areas. I was out there Wednesday, which is why I got to go look back out because a lot of stock piles. They had all the pete top soil and plants out there to plant the replication area. I spoke with Scott
from Oxbow who's the well scientist overseeing the replication areas. There were two changes that had to be done. Three change on the fly with that. Um the Pete that was put on the plants. There is no Pete soil. So it's a leaf
mulch which I looked at it. It it's organic soil. It'll work. He the scientist says it's good. It looked good to me. Um they couldn't in in the on the plants replication area. It asked for two different types of ferns, sensitive ferns and royal ferns. They couldn't get
one. They can only get the only they couldn't get both. They could only get one. I said, "Well, you okay with the change? Is the only reason why we have two on there for more of a biodiverse?" He said, "Yeah." Said, "But you're okay?" He said, "Yeah." Said, "Okay, just get a plant. I just want to get these planted. They've been sitting not done for a long time. I'm just glad to
see stuff hopefully get put in there." The plans also asked for, and I told her I'd mentioned it to you all because it is such a huge change. The plans asked for 6 to 8 foot maple trees, red maples in the replication area where he first
said he could get four to six feet foot trees from the from the nurseries. He when he went to go get the plants on Tuesday, he could only get two to three inch. So these are teeny tiny trees. Two to three inch. Yeah. It's I mean or yeah
feet. Yeah. Uh trees there. So they're they're nowhere near the six to eight that are listed on the plan. He does have the trees and it's not that he didn't trust. They just you just can't get them. Supply chain issues, everyone's planting, they're just not there. Um I told him I'd mention it to
you all to see what we would do if maybe we require a third year on the um replication to see if they're taking in order to make up for that those few feet that we're losing. Typically with the smaller
they are, they grow fast anyway. Um we we do have we we won't issue a certificate. It has to be monitored for two years anyway. Um so we can tell after two years if they're going to live or not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and if and after a year they didn't take then
we make them put the the bigger ones anyway. I mean it's it's not loss on that end. But um because I said because it is such a hu I four to six. I'm like well four to six feet isn't that far off from six to eight. like just try to get closer to six feet and we'll be good. And then he comes in with these. I'm
like what is this? Like I thought I thought it was a blueberry a blackberry bush. I'm like what? Those are maple trees. Are they literally that tall? They're literally like this tall. That's not even 2 to 3 ft. That that's not even a foot. They're like they're like this big. So I don't know. Yeah. So Oh, so
they're not two to three feet. They're I mean they they literally looked like this big. And I I haven't seen them in the ground yet cuz they were just piles. So they're planting to yesterday and hopefully today to get those done. So I told him like I'm like I'll I'll ask he couldn't make the meeting tonight. I go
if they require anything I'll mention it to you. He he said if there was going to be a further discussion on those he wants to be here for that. So what are you going to do? Yeah. Like you can't get them like he tries he's like he tried everywhere. Well it's such a I mean the drought was so bad this year that might also be an effect. But these
are red maples, right? Yeah. Red maples. They're almost like a weed. Yeah. I mean, how can you not find red maples somewhere? It should have gone earlier, obviously. Well, that's the thing, too. I'm like, well, but again, what am I going to do? Am I going to not have him plant the
replication here because he waited or am I going to just say we'll plant it and we'll cross our fingers and we'll take a look at it next year and see how it takes this spring. And if it looks like he needs some more, we could ask. Yeah, because there I mean, they are planting quite a few in there. They're planting I think seven red maples in each area
which that's a lot of trees. Um how I guess I don't remember how it was laid out. So replication area are they interspersed throughout the whole thing? Yeah. So I asked I asked Pete how they were supposed to go and the red maples and I
think the spice bush are closer to the wetland and the ferns and the other shrub is closer to the roadway so it's higher. So the red maple and one of the other bushes is more in the water and the other ones are higher.
So if we I mean what if we said wait till next year put in bigger ones. I'm I'm afraid because because they have to do all the the the soils and the organic the layers of the soils have to go in their application area. I mean they have to disturb all that. So, in I
think in order to to to wait off on one plant, they're going to be dredging through cuz it th those the trees are going in the back. They're going to be dredging through all the ferns that are in there to hand shovel these ones in. Whereas, if it's just I think I want just replacing one or two that might not make it with something bigger, then
replacing all seven. I just I'm afraid of what that might do if we just say, "Oh, we'll wait and we'll do those later." That was my thought. I'm like, "Well, we'll let's hope for a good growing season. Norally you can't even kill those things.
I weed whack them down and they kill if they come back in my yard. Red maples or they norway maples cuz those things are everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'm talking normal maples. Those are big big leaves and Yeah, they're
they're awful. You know, I took a tree identification class how he tells you pull the leaf and if you get the red the white sticky stuff in the stem, that's how you know it's not. Nor white maple. Yeah. Red maples have some sort of red somewhere on them. This one, they all turn that color.
All maples pretty much turn that color. So, it's Yeah, red maples will have a red leaf or a red stem or a red uh I know this one has branch. Yeah. Yeah. Ants. But yeah, I just I took a class and I get so
happy. My kids went for a walk. I go, "What kind of tree that is? That's an eastern hemlock." They go, "Okay." I'm like, "I know these things now." But I wish these I don't know why these home open but it makes me sad. But anyway and then so he's been working he's been
doing the replication areas um and everything else he's been doing he's been working from the solar array out to the road. So from the solar array going towards the road that the basin the large basin has been completely reelev um dug out resloped. They're
trying to they when we were out with him, I think last Wednesday or two weeks ago, um GPR was out there regra uh re uh surveying this the property to get the grading right on everything because it was nothing was to even grade yet. So now they have the grades where
everything is supposed to go. So now they're building everything back up. They have where what the storm water is supposed to be. They have two swailes at the beginning entrance of the solar array. Those are all matted and seated
um and graded. They have the final road grade there and the asphalt gravel mix that they're going to use for a couple hundred feet. And I think they were going to bring in more um it's going to be today or yesterday to get even more in. So they're whether they're finally so now they're doing what I asked which just I don't care if it's from the road
just finish it. So they are they're working from the solar array out to Washington Street and finishing a project as they go. So everything is getting done. Um very happy with the progress. Um I was nervous with the rain coming and I told Ru and Rihanna I can
tell you at least five times that if the if the stock piles that were out on site for the Pete moss, the stuff that was dug out of the relication areas was not out of the prop. It needed to be covered by the end of the workday today because it was going to rain. and I'm told so I
I'm going out tomorrow morning um first thing just to verify that they were either covered or nothing got washed out and he knows that I'm going out to verify that cuz it just made me nervous cuz I knew we were going to get a lot of rain and they were big piles cuz he has done so much work to get up to that point and I'm sorry I can't show you too
the the covert the crossing um when we met with with GPR that day they were talking about putting those coconut socks in the center to make a channel those now been in there. So, they've dug it all out, cleaned it up, and those two coconut socks are middle. So, it makes a defined channel in the middle. So,
they've been working out on that. Um, wow. They've done a lot. They've done a lot of work in one week. Everything that I've been asking him for, he's done. This the silk f just the the amount of erosion control replacement. He's even rewacked where the the weeds have grown up around the hay bales, so you couldn't even see them. He's cleaned all that up
so you can now see the hay bales that they need to be replaced or not. A lot of work has been going on that makes me very happy. I'm praying that they have a crew out there again next week to keep the project project moving. So, so far so good. It only took
one violation letter and three letters specifically stating what needed to be done in order to get there, but I I feel like we've got we're getting progress going on there. So, it's it's going good. Have you have you noticed at the at the road just at at the entrance
there was supposed to be a retaining wall in that steep area. Is that how's that look? They are not putting any retaining walls at the front. But I was just curious. Yeah, they are that all that needs to get regraded. Um it's not at elevation yet. That's why they
haven't done any work. So, the tree box filters that they did put in because there are sediment that has gone over them and it's actually starting to crack some of that block because the road has started to move. Yeah. Um it's not a grade. So, they're going to have to build all that up anyway. So, when they get to that part of the road and they re
when they put bring in more fill and regrade it, then that's when they'll fix all that out and and change that. And there will be two gates that are going to be placed on that on that roadway as well. And I guess the beginning of the week they said they they had spoken to the asphalt company about coming in to to actually pay. So I don't know when
that's going to happen because I did remind Ro in in this part of the country asphalt close asphalt plants close and he didn't know that because they don't do that in Michigan. I go well no they close here so you're going to want to make sure you're ready for that sooner than later or you're you're going in
next year. So they did find somebody. So they they're working on that as well. So okay cool. Um, remember you were saying there were some parts. So, you can Google red maple and that's like there's a bazillion places out there that have red maples. So, I'm really finding it hard to believe that you can't find red
maples. You were saying um buy one get one. Sorry. You've seen some areas where there was cracking going on. Yes. So those the cracking that's been going on those were all along the the large basin um which I said has since been regraded and they've actually
brought the slope down. It was very steep and the slope is like a 3 to one. It was really it's now more gradual and all that has been taken care of and the whole bowl and I I'm sorry that my isn't showing up on here but I could show you on my phone. You could pass it around.
Um but yeah, it's it's all been it's all been um matted and seated. So, and regraded. So, nice. It will no longer wash out. And the there is a few pieces of ledge in that's going into that big
basin that's going to have to get jackhammered out. Um, and I don't know when they're going to be doing that work, but in order to get the the storm water to work the way it needs to, but they they have done a a lot of work over the last seven days over there. And everything is
getting I saw big machines down here. Oh, yeah. We were out on Wednesday was trying to dodge these things. And then when I met with Roheit, because I knew they were bringing machines in and because the site is so tight, it's hard to say, you know, you can't park in in the resource like get the breaker in
the solarite and, you know, drive an excavator. It take it take you a half an hour every day just to drive it back and forth to keep out the re. So I told them like just tell me where you're going to park it. Just give me a designated spot on site that I know your equipment's going to be parked. I don't care if it's
week to week or through the course of the project. So if we do have a leak, it's contained to one site and we can figure it out. So he started doing that as well because it was otherwise. It was just parked wherever they left it for the day and I'm like, you can't do that. So we worked on that as well. Cracking the whip.
Doing great. Yeah. But so I said, I'm just happy to see progress out there and it it seems to be going good and we're hoping that it continues. But yeah, then there you can see the the culvert with the the silk socks in the middle to keep it for the
turtles to just go into one cool one specific area which is good. Um the guys that I went down there to take a look at cuz they were working on it when we were there last Wednesday and they like you want to come dance. Oh I don't there he's like you missed all the
fun. Okay, it wasn't my job to do, but so it it is it is going along really well and it's making me um it is looking really good. Hope I'm just hoping the rain today didn't mess any of it up when they got all the work they were hoping to do
yesterday and today done. Yeah, I think the heavy rain is tonight. Yeah. So, we'll we'll I'll find out tomorrow morning if there's any issues. I'll let you guys know. Well, thanks. You're doing great. Yeah, thanks for all your that's all I have there. And I again I apologize those pictures didn't want to
work. Apparently I can't cross a Samsung an iOS like opening it. I don't know. Any other updates from what are we doing on the tree thing though? Like so I mean it sounded like we needed a decision. Are we going to
extend for three growing seasons? Are we going to let them put the short ones in? Like what are we doing? I think they put the short ones in. If if they die next year, we can put in big ones. If they if they live, they'll be six feet tall at
the end of the year. I mean, I'd be I'd be Yeah, I I I'm like I don't know what to say. Like, I can't speak for you guys when it's such a huge discrepancy. I'm like feel like it's okay, but I don't know what you're going to say. Well, if he already has them, like what are you going to do with otherwise? Throw them
away. Yeah, like might as well give it a shot. And I'd be in favor just letting it see how they do because they'll have to replace him if they don't make it. And
Heather's been cracking that lip so might be a little bit. Is this the carrot? The carrot. You okay? The bushes are going to hide them, but okay. Yeah, I know. It's It's not like they're going through and like
maintaining it, right? It's not like it's a solo race that they got to go whack it. No one's going to cut them down. I mean, if they get if they get eaten by a a deer, they have to replace them. Exactly. Just make sure you get like a good picture of Oh, yeah. When when No, I'm going to go when when the when the next week when I go out on
Wednesday, I'm going to take lots of pictures of it and I will make sure that they show up for the next meeting. Picture of the sticks. I I'll do I'll do a PowerPoint of, you know, July, September, October.
You give them names. Yeah, I know. That's what I wanted to do. I just ran out of time today. You're going to like say, "Okay, I need to I want a group picture of all the Charlie Browns here." Yeah. All the Charlie Brown trees. So, here's a question. Is a red maple
the same as a sugar maple? No. No. No. Sugar maple when you touch when you touch the buds they're sharp because they're sharp. So it's S and so does sugar and that's okay. Sugar maples they have five fingers. Red maples have three. Okay.
Yeah. And Norian maples have five to seven. But they're huge. Nor Norway maples are huge. It's like you can make a fan out of the leaves. Yeah. They had the stickies. Did you know that? No. Sticky white stuff. Did not. The tree class I took was really interest.
It was really good. And I learned the thing about the Norway maples when I was in seventh grade. So we went there. He's like, "Oh, you pull. What do you see?" I'm like, "Oh, the white sticky stuff." And he's like, "Yeah, like I remember that from seventh grade." I learned that when I was 12. You you had something for us, church.
Couple things. Uh we also have with North County Way Trust. Um they emailed me about two weeks ago. um looking for some documentation on baseline um I think for colder place and I think
a copy of a conservation restriction for another one. I sent the information that I had I hadn't heard back. I will I need to email them next week to figure out if there's anything else they need from me and make a list of other CRs that I need to make sure are
all tied up and ready to to go. Um because I know Aaho is almost done. Uh, curly circle we already have done and he owes me some um information on his. Um, have you been up to the end of Pleasant Street lately? No, I have not.
You may want to go up there. Pleasant Street. Got it. Firewood J, which is the first left as you go in. Uh, this must be replication area up at the end of that road. Okay. Check on that. There's one supposed to be one that it's
and it's not there. It wasn't their multigrow. And whose whose project is that? Seal Harbor. Seal Harbor. Yeah, those guys are a little Oh, I I still I still might even remember Junior's number by heart. I
might It called for building inspection. So, I used to remember I used to remember people's numbers. They're not known for their for their exiting projects. They've kind of just Is Pleasant Street
theirs or is that is that CJ? Um, but they're buying some of the house lot, aren't they? Or Steel Harbor bought some, but I thought the majority of it was I know that first road. I'll have to look at the the
point. Yeah, I'll figure it out. I'll get I'll Did they do your house yet? Yeah. She did. And last item I had was after fall town meeting, we have a small window before
budget season starts. Oh yeah, budget season. So if there's any discussions we want to have with Robert about anything I was thinking particularly about any changes to the administrative position. This be a last
chance for next fiscal year. Oh, you mean taking it out of the union and um and compensating it accordingly is better. Um I think one of the difficulties they haven't filled
the position. I don't think they're not even looking yet. I have which is where it gets tricky. So I have Mark um town Mark Asha town planner sent me the draft job description that he
created for the shared person. Um I'm still working on it um since I've done the work. So I'm drafting I'm drafting that job description. So he'll be back in the episode on Monday. I'll have that to him on Monday. Um the way
it typically works within the union then the union will review it. Um, I actually I've already stated to my counterpart I mean that I'm going to recuse myself on that part um and not be involved in it because it's it's a it's it's too much. So, they're going to look at that um and
we're going to figure out what we're going to do with with that, but it is in the process where it goes from there. I don't know. So I think we probably should try to talk to Robert
chair about that so that if that doesn't that we'll probably change in the near future but so that we could be ready to change it during the budget year next year. We we have been we have been given the we had our
department head meeting it the the talks of budgets have been coming up that we need to start looking at that. So that's come yeah it'll be after town meeting that you know budget goes budget the budget calendar goes the full boore. So that's a good point. Yeah.
Yeah. We'd like to have a discussion with you at some point in time on on that. Sure. If you don't mind if I just show up. Oh, I'll be in the office. We What day do you plan on coming? I'm typically here. So, oh, Wednesday
morning. Wednesday mornings I go out to Air Solo, too. I usually get in around 9:30. Other than that, I'm here. Okay. Maybe a Tuesday or a Thursday. Okay. Two things on the signs. Yep. First off, can you check with Robert about
do we still owe any money? Have we gotten all the money we need? Do we do we do we owe money to anybody like when we purchased the signs? I don't I think we're all set. And then if there's money still left like we probably have to return it would be I will I'll double
check with the accounting office. Okay. Check with car. And then you're still down in the lower office. Yes. But you are going upstairs. Will you get an office upstairs or I don't know um what's going on with that? We are I am happy where I am. Okay. But you're
released down here. So yes, I got the extra materials. I'd like to put into the office. Okay. So, are you around tomorrow or I will be in tomorrow between 9:30 and 1:30. Okay. Probably like around lunch or something. I'll come and drop them off. Okay. because we
just have the one sign for Grove Pond and then like four posts or something. Then they keep saying I'm going to be upstairs. I'm like okay. My whole thing is because I like where I am. I would I mean upstairs would be fine, too, but like everything in this office has to come with me. So the more that's in there, the more that Right. Right. the
more that stays. Okay. Those posts are heavy, too. I got to move those upstairs. Last I heard from Cindy a few weeks ago, she just sent a a brief text that the QR codes were beating her. Really? So, why can't we just make new
stickers? Well, then you open up the way for fraudulent stickers. Yeah. Right. What do you mean? other people. If you have if you have a stuck on sticker, then it wouldn't look any different if somebody else stuck a
different sticker on top of it. Who's going to do that? Evil people. You'd be surprised. Are you kidding me? You should never scan QR codes, Jen. Send you messing up her email. Yeah, you should never scan QR code. And
that's I mean if an add-on sticker is that probably just the what's there? I don't know. Yeah, you'd see it. Yeah. Wow. Walking by and say, "Oh, that's that's I'm sure I'd live the rest of my whole life and never even consider
sticking a different just a different mindset, huh?" I guess so. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I think I would be hesitant to scan something that had a sticker over. So, huh. She says it's beating her. Um something weird. But she but she has not given up yet. She's
given up, but she's on vacation. She's on vacation. She should be. Yeah. I don't know. Keep because Yeah, she's in that limbo stage now. Semi-retired. Yeah, she's retired, but there's no replacement. Um we have drive tech, but for something like this, it would have
to go to Sydney. So, she would still take care of it. I I can email her or ask. So, she's semi-retired. Who's the replacement? They haven't they have they they posted the position. So, if anyone knows anyone that wants to work in it in a lovely town hall of air and qualify, they
should apply. Maybe worst case we can do a sticker that just has a direct like an actual link and people would just have to type it in as the web address if you can provide us with like a short URL.
say thank you. All right. We could I mean you could always I mean that not that anyone would watch it but I mean we could always do the sticker and then make like Alice lovely videos where someone like I would actually be there with my own phone and SC go see it's
safe like everyone should try this sticker over it and then they're like she told me but again what are the odds of you have the sticker made by the people who made the signs because the QR codes that are on there now reflect your background.
Mhm. So, they had the same thing. Yeah. Distinguishable from just anybody's stupid. That's a good point. Yeah. Or the signs are so darn cheap. Let's just get a whole new set with the right new QR code. Oh, you could. That's not crossing my mind. It's a
possibility. Oh. All right. Well, got the money, right? Yeah. I could find out tomorrow. Then you could all take a sign home and put in your house. It would have a pool like your pool would be the real
pond pool. I'm going to steal the flan and put it on my barn. Well, Cindy did reply to me at one point somewhere. We'll get hold of it next week. One of
your now deleted emails. She got it. She got that one too. Anything else? No. Motion to adjurnn. So move. Second. All in favor say I. I. Opposed.
Thank you all very