Welcome to the May 9th, 2022 7 PM open session meeting of the Air Planning Board. First item on our agenda is to approve the agenda. So moved. Thank you, John. Second. Thank you, Julie. I'm Julie.
I almost said my my nieces were in town over the weekend. Juliet and Juliet. It's kind of confusing. It's fair. Um uh any discussion on the agenda hearing? None. All in favor? I. Thank you. We have no covenants or bond
releases this evening. So, we're going to continue the public hearing for the site plan review of Zero Littleton Road. Elizabeth Hamilton. Good evening, Miss Hamilton. Please join us at the at the table. Jonathan, I think we need a motion to continue. Yes. Like to make a motion we continue
the public hearing for the uh mobile food operation. Um, do we have to identify any firm for Elizabeth as applied to by Elizabeth H? Second. Thank you. Any discussion? All in favor? I.
Great. Mark. Okay. Jump in. I believe at the last meeting we were waiting to make sure that you know all the abunders were notified before we actually proceeded through uh the site plan review sections. Uh so
I believe uh you know we're probably ready to act on the plan. So there are several waiverss that identify sorry I have a ear infection which is not contagious but it's making me all clinical
I know I have trouble talking and hearing but if you look on page five of my staff report which is at the top here there are four main categories of waivers. Uh the first would be a storm water report.
Second would be landscaping plan. Third would be the full traffic study or traffic study and the fourth would be outdoor lighting photometric plan. You know these are obviously issues that we would normally see in a normal site plan
with a new building or a building that's undergoing renovation with new parking and that sort of thing. But but this sort of operation, you know, I believe that they're uh they warrant a waiver. Mhm. So
after that, then I think the the planning board could be ready to discuss the findings and I drafted some special conditions which I can go over once we make the waiver motion. Okay. Do you need a separate motion for each waiver?
Uh I think you could probably do them all in one, but We determined that the buddies were notified. Well, let's get there. Hold on. Hold on. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Ken. So, we've got a couple
things we have to clear up tonight. I think many of us asked all the questions we wanted to ask. The proponent was very generous with their time, brought the uh grateful dog trailer over. We got a chance to see how it's all going to be set up. We all got a chance to kind of kick in our ideas and talk about it. So,
that's really great. We had a couple of outstanding issues which I'm going to turn to Mr. Diskin to uh if you want. The last question we had at the sitew walk was that due to the difficulty of getting a hold of the people at the condominium association, you were
finally able to get a hold of them and make them aware that the meeting was actually now. Yep. Because of the strange date delay. Okay, great. So, you did get a letter to the condo association. Yep. We got a return receipt. She sent it.
Good. Um, and then I got the green thing back. So, okay. Numbers match. Yeah. So, we're good. Let me ask a question. Is anybody here from the uh what was the name of that condo? That was that Nova. Mhm. Brook. No village. Noa village. Is anybody here from
Nishoba Village about the mobile food establishment application? I don't think we have anybody in the room. Saw a card. think that satisfies they could be here for this establishment, not just that apartment,
but this is true. Is anybody here for the the continuation of the hearing for the mobile technical, but they could have arrived tonight. Uh the same number of hands went up, Dan. And and the same the same blank looks from the Okay, great. Got to keep it entertained. Okay, so
I believe that satisfies the request of the board. Any questions about that or discussion? Okay, great. Um, back to you, Mark. Right. Uh, I can make Yeah, I think we're ready for a motion on the four
waiver categories that I've identified if the planning board is agreeable to those. First being storm water report, landscaping plan, traffic study, and outdoor lighting. Yes. So, uh, I'm going to make it formal. I'd like to to make a motion that we wave
the following four items for uh Elizabeth Hamilton's food truck application, including the storm water report per the air stormwater bylaw and regulations, landscaping plan per section 9.1.6 and 9.2 air zoning bylaw, the full traffic study, and finally the
outdoor lighting phototric plan and the air uh zoning board, right? Zoning by zoning bylaw. Zoning bylaw, sorry. section 9.3 say thank you so much for that. Do we have a second? Seconded. Thank you. Julie moved and second. Any
discussion on on granting these four waivers? Yeah, just uh technicality. Do we have to vote on them one at a time or you know I think we could do it as a group. I think the waiverss could be a group unless you disagree with one and want to separate it out.
Let's live dangerously. Okay. Okay. So, it's been moved and seconded. No further discussion. All in favor of granting the four waivers. I I opposed. Abstain. Thank you. That was unanimous. Okay, great. Next, I believe Mark, you have some
conditions, right? Uh so first would be the findings which have to do with the criteria for cycling approval. On page six of my staff report under the heading of section two recommendations, I recommend that the planning board
finds that the site plan application for the mobile food establishment proposed by Elizabeth Elizabeth Hamilton at zero Littleton Road Jarvis board lot meets criteria for site plan approval as described in section 3.54 of the air
zoning bylaw as follows. And what I did in my staff report is just reproduce that section. again most of which has to do with, you know, building type of site plans, right? But, you know, I think it's it's good practice for the board to make findings
uh for any decision that it makes. Okay. So, and we're going to discover some of these items, they're very technical, have will have no bearing at all on what you're doing in your operation. Yeah. So, great. You not got to say anything and it's all going to Okay,
that works out so well for me. So, I'd like to make a motion. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Uh, I'd like to make a motion that the board finds uh that the site plan application for the mobile food establishment proposed by Elizabeth Hamilton, zero little road meets
criterion for site plan approval as as described in section 354, the air zoning bylaw. Thank you. We have a second, please. Seconded. Thank you, Julie. Moved and second. Any discussion? Yeah. Um I guess somewhere along the on the line
kind of we're going to get to the fact that or ask the question that the board of health has approved this or not. Yeah, that's that's the next step after this step after that condition. We're kind of taking care of the details that don't actually impact it but we have to take care of in the zoning bylaw. Yeah,
as I understand it my understanding could be wrong but uh so any further discussion hearing? None. All in favor? I opposed. Abstensions. Thank you. That's unanimous also. Okay. And the last set of items that I'd like to go over and this probably will
elicit some discussion because it's a proposed special conditions. And condition one is sort of I think a couple uh presuming that the NOVA Associated Board of Health issued the permit which
yeah she approved it and it's on the way. I have not received a copy of that even though I I emailed Bridget about that but she's probably going to get it to me. But did she So you're all done with the PL the process with Congratulations. That was a huge relief. Yeah, that was stressful the last time
you were here too. Great. Okay, good. So I'll read these because you know I don't think anybody has seen them until they got the report and we may have some discussion about the hours of operation and the dates of operation. So condition proposed condition one mobile food
operation food truck must receive all necessary approvals and permits from the associated boards of health and the town of air just in case there are other ones before commencing operations. Any conditions placed on the operation by the NOVA associated board of health or
the town of are hereby also in considered conditions of the site plan approval. And that's similar to what we do when the conservation commission uh is also reviewing something for us. We we cite their approval. Okay. So that's all that one is doing. Number two, the
mobile food operation must be located on the lot so as to meet all required front side and rear setbacks in the district. And that side district line that we were discussing in the field I believe is uh
25 ft and 30 ft from the front yard. So in um general business it's 25 ft side set back 25 ft front setback. Oh front what's Oh wait no uh excuse me I think 10 ft. Front yard is 30 feet from the road.
Sideyard is 25 ft. General is 25 feet. Yeah. All right. That pushes that truck quite a v ways from when we were looking at it. Well, we we discussed that because it all that lot is it's all in one
ownership. We we could we could have during the site walk. Okay. I know what he said. Yeah. But right, if we condition it at 25 ft, that it's a different story. Well, then we could we could amend that one. Well, you're not listing that. You're just saying it meets the requirements of the district, you know, spelling them
out. If you want to amend the sides setback, uh, we we could do that. It doesn't. It doesn't say it in there. It just says I mean, not amend the setback, but amend the reference to the setback because I think it's the front setback that is
more critical here. the setback from Littleton Road itself. I think General, right? Yeah. Good. Okay. Number three, mobile food
operation can only be operated between April 15th and October 31st. And I have an asteroids there for discussion in a given calendar year or with such time limitations as otherwise specified by the Machoba Associated Board of Health. All right. Did they put limits on the
dates? No, nothing at all. All right. Number four. Mobile food operation can only be operated during daylight hours between 9:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m. or is otherwise spec specified in the approval by the NAVO.
Five. No outdoor lighting or outdoor signage is permitted except for an open flag and any public safety sign such as may be needed to direct traffic to a safe parking location on the site. And we talked about that at the site visit that we want people to pull off quickly
and park. So we might need a little sign about that. Number six, planning board shall conduct a compliant site inspection after the mobile food operation has been in business for one month to ascertain that operations are being conducted in accordance with these conditions of
approval and to assess any safety issues that may have arisen. This meeting shall be at a time date and time agreed to between the planning board and operator. And I left number seven blank in case there's something I haven't thought
about that you know you you did. So thank you. If I may. Yes. Yes please. Number three about the uh operations in April 15th and October 31st. Yes. Is there any reason why we need to apply that condition rather than it being at the discretion of the owner?
Well, yeah, that's a question. I think in your application letter you said you mentioned April through October. So just sort of copying what you So So I'm sorry just I go. So is this is something for discussion that we want to discuss or just leave
it? What do you Elizabeth? You mean leave it open to Well, I I just or dates if Yeah. I mean I I just you know suppose you find out it goes gang busters or man get heat in there and I want a Thanksgiving hot dog and
I mean you're right. It's a good point. I just I just I mean suppose I get an opportunity to go through the first week of November. Would that be really you know what I mean? Or earlier? I'm going to make a recommendation. Yeah. Okay. We are in May. October is coming. Uh would we we would probably be open to
amending it later and allowing it to stay open later. That's fine. One of the things we're going to talk about and this doesn't impact you directly this year is we now we need to come up with a set of regulations around mobile food establishments. Okay. um that sync us up better with align us better with the board of health and
other things in the town. Um and so you're not going to be a part of that this year. Okay. Congratulations. So I think that's what Jonathan is thinking about also is there there will be other ways to look at this. Okay. But I believe in talking in just my preliminary conversations with the board of health, it is not uncommon to have
uh dates around this. Okay. because because of an enforcement issue and things like that. Uh and food safety, stuff like that. It's hard to keep things hot in an un in an uninsulated vehicle when temperatures outside are cold.
Okay, that's fine. I'd like to follow up on what John was saying, which is um I don't want to believe this. I want you to get out and sell hot dogs. So, I'll be brief. Um, but are we a business regulator? We're a planning board and a property
regulator. Um, so I I I don't think that we my understanding is we don't set the times of businesses. That's what we typically do. Yes, we do. That's what site point does. We typically do that.
You set hours of you set hours of operation. So if someone wants to do 24 hours, it' be written in your conditions. if someone wants to do early early mornings or late nights if that's written in the conditions of the site plan. It's part of we also do we also do signage and lighting and stuff like that. It's part of it. It's Yeah. And so
um any other questions about the uh the dates? I'm with them. It seems a little odd, but um it's not an uncommon thing to see in other another you know I I go either way with the board. It's after April 15th right now and you know maybe I'll come
by November 1st and see what's going on but okay uh I'm looking at excuse me I'm looking at the application you were 11 to three in the application or in the letter from Mr. remaining 11 to 3. But you're talking what? 9 to5. Yeah. I thought to be Yeah. 7.
Yeah. Because I know it would be 11 to 2, 10:30, 2:30, 3. I was going to see how it vary. I just want it to be reasonable. 9 to5. Seems number five. Common hour. Number five. We only allowing an an open flag. What if there is a lean to menu
sitting next to the vehicle? Mhm. That's a sign. I know it's a sign. That's why I want it. Okay. Well, we could we could add a menu board or something like that. Is that what they call this? Sure. Menu board. Open flag, menu board.
I'd like you to be able to let people know what they're buying, right? Yes. If we end up with six foot separation again, it' be nice to have a little bit larger than, you know. Yep. Right. Maybe a graph sheet or something behind you in the in the in the truck. Menu board. And a menu board. Thank you. And we won't tell you how big it has to
be or anything like that. Okay. It just can't block the road. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Other thoughts? One thing I didn't want to haunt us, so when I wrote when I wrote this, I was I know I I had in mind that Mr. Fmanian said that you could go up to the the
edge of the grass on that residential lot because he owns that property as well. So, I don't want the side setback to haunt us. So, I'm wondering if we should strike side setback for this particular line. I think it's plenty fine. Leave it the way
it is. You do? Yeah. All right. Okay. Because if we pull it 25 ft anyway, the side just leave it. If we pull it further, it could be, you know, conflict with traffic. That's so thinking of traffic.
Yeah. The side getting into the side of the parking lot with the grassy area behind it and the discussion about possible tables and stuff like that if they have a friendly neighbor. Yep. Okay. Okay. She's very friendly. I met her today. She's very nice. Okay. I just want to be sure that after she's
established the truck there that we're not going to get any blowback from someone. Hey, you didn't meet the side set back. It's not likely, but you know what I mean. Where is it? Where is it again? It's just number two. Uh yeah, number two. So, the mobile food operation must be located on the lot so as to meet all
required and then come to where it's front, side, and rear setback. Yard setback. I mean, maybe it just should be front and rear just because, you know, we know in this specific case we have an issue. We have another issue here. We're not we're not we're not enforcement for number two. Oh, we're not?
No, the building inspector is so I don't rule. I don't think we have the authority to rule that she cannot comply with the sidet without going to the court of appeals and building. Oh, I see. It's not It's not in our sound nice, but I don't think it's our authority. So, should it be here at all?
Yes, it should be that it complies. I believe because even though we don't have the authority to weigh it. We know it doesn't comply. Well, we don't know. They can she can place it so it does comply. So, you could just put it where it belongs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I didn't think the
lot was that wide. Okay. But I don't Mr. Ch. You agree? I do agree. We don't have the authority to weigh that. I don't think I would I would like I believe leaving it in the way it is makes the most sense. Okay.
Any other comments? And we're going to add menu board to number five where it's correct. Okay, that sounds fair. And uh one thing that came up when we were dealing with um some of the utility things is we have a list of general
conditions that go with all cyclones. Again, most of these are for new construction. Mhm. And uh I've already uh picked out which ones I think do not apply except to this sort of thing, but I wanted to circulate this with the board too. While
we're discussing conditions, this is these are the generic general conditions that would apply to any site plan that we have. We'll see. So if you just circle I'm just going to mention the ones that I think do not
apply at all. So, I'm not going to read this. Number one, number one, I believe, does not apply. Okay? Because there are no general notes. There's no engineered plan. Number five doesn't apply. Great. They don't need a water supply permit.
Number nine doesn't apply. The state building code. Thank you. Number 10, there's no construction. Does not apply. Okay. Number 11 does not apply. Number 12 does not apply. Yep. Number 13 does apply. uh litter and
debris. Yeah, remove litter. You know, that's I'm sure you could have done that anyway. I think that's something that's in there. Thank you. So, this is this is right out of uh the approval for the utility company. Yes. Okay. Right. Thank you. I think I think
so what we just did, excuse me, that's the one I I just p I just grabbed. I think it's contagious. Grab that. If I may paraphrase quickly what we just did on Wester. We have general conditions for a site for a site plan approval that I have to go through and this require it's everything we talk about all the details. Um
you can do no substantial modification, addition, substitutions, alterations or any changes shall be made to the plans doesn't really apply. She doesn't have plans but that's okay. Unauthorized deviations from the Yes. So number two number three unauthorized deviations from the approved site plan may result in the planning board seeking
the issuance of a cease and desist. So, if the trailer becomes twice as big and twice as wide and twice as high, and you have two signs, we might have to tell you to stop. Okay? We might just ask you to remove the second sign, but okay. And if it goes well, we're happy and we'll work that out in the future.
Um, number four is you'll apply with all applicable state and local laws. Number five, not going to explain any of that. It's okay with you. Um, number six, the applicant shall provide the building inspecting the planning board office the same name address so we can get a hold of you if
we need to. Mhm. Number seven, members of agents of the planning board shall have the right to enter the site at any time to gather all information, measurements, photographs. Okay. If we end up in a situation where we're arguing with each other, we typically use this. Okay, it gives us a right to come in and take a look. I'm ready. The applicant and
there may be other reasons, but I'm just going to quick paraphrase on it so you understand what's going on. Sorry, cancel eight. Eight's out. Nine is out. 10 is out. So 13. Littering debris in the access road, landscaped and buffer area shall
be removed daily to maintain an eaten orderly appearance. We had that discussion with on the sidewalk. Any of those make upset? No. Thank you. You want to just type an abbreviated version of this? Oh, yeah. I'll type up and we'll prepare a new one with this. So, so any motion
to approve would include the special conditions as written or as modified with the menu board and general conditions as as amended by the planning board and the main committee. Okay, you guys ready for me to make a motion?
There's a copy of just sorry discussion. Why why are we doubling up on the board of health regulations? Do we need to for number one and number three?
Like number one being deleted, right? So the job. Oh, you mean special? I was I usually put I put them in everything just cuz people don't always go from one permit to another. I think you have to have it, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Well, number one, we didn't
know coming into this meeting that Elizabeth would have received her board of health I mean board of health approval yet. Okay. I did not I mean that second sentence seems ex extra beyond our beyond our reach. Yeah. You want to delete that alto
together. The only re the reason why sometimes I go in and not so in this case but just to care and make it more uniformal if I'm building something and then I turn around and sell it. I might not pass along the permit from the show or the permit from the the board of the
planning board, but it's written in one of, you know, if it's continuous and it's written in all of the approvals. If someone didn't pass on all the pieces of paper, it's in there. So, for some reason, Elizabeth just had this one, she knows, oh, I had to comply with what had wait, let me find a show or someone
came on site and asked. That's that's the reason why we do that because people don't always carry five permit applications. Yeah, I I appreciate that. Makes sense. Thank you. Uh the plan number six, the planning board shall um
are we required to do this? Are we or we we do this for certain instances. I thought that because uh mobile food establishment I would just suggest may conduct type of thing for us that I would consider may to be friendly. May move to change the word shell to
may. Yep. I need a second. Seconded. Moved and second. Any further discussion? All in favor? Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Okay, Mark, where are we on your uh I think unless you have anything to add
for the special conditions, we're pretty set. I don't I'd like to strike number seven. Strike number seven. Oh, yeah. which well seven doesn't really that's only if we had something else. That's right. But I I can't think of everything. So I
know that's why I think this is honestly I think this is a really good start. Okay. It um provides a service in that area and it starts us off. Like everything that's new, we're going to find bumps in the road, guys.
Hopefully not. Any further discussion? Any questions from the public? I don't think anybody's here for this. Yeah, go ahead. Mr. D, just just to double check with you, Mark, on on we're done with the special conditions. I want to go back to the general condition. So, looks like we're
going to continue to include number two, three, and four and then all the way back down to 13. Uh 2 3 4 6 7 as well. 67, excuse me. Okay, that's good. That's what one go. 2 3 4 6 and 13. Yeah. Yeah.
All right. Thank you. So, I'd like to make a motion to approve the site plan for a mobile food operation to be operated by Elizabeth Hamilton at Zero Milton Road with the special conditions as presented by the town planner and amended by the board at
this May 9th, 2022 meeting and the general conditions as discussed and amended by the airplane board on May 9th, 2022. Second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? I oppose
extensions. Congratulations, grateful dog and thank you for your faithful. What a long strange trip. Very appropriate. Very appropriate. Oh, look at that.
I broke out of my I broke out of my yellow and blue mode to wear this just Look at that. That's special. Thank you very much for everything. I appreciate it. Yes. Thank you. Good luck. When do you think you'll be open? Um I'm Monday. Wow. Fantastic.
Yeah, I'm hope. Yeah, I mean we're taking a picture. Terrific. Hope. Yeah, I have some loose ends I t now that everything's official. I wanted to wait a little bit further. So definitely by Monday. Cool. Fantastic. Thank you very much. If you have any trouble with Mark, let us know. Okay. Okay. He's been helpful today.
And so why don't we close that please? like to make a motion that we close the public hearing for the mobile food operation by Elizabeth Hamilton at Zero Littleton Road. Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I opposed abstensions. I like
you're good. You're good. You're good. Thank you. All right. Thank you. See you soon. Okay. Next on our agenda, discussion for Pleasant Street Extension guardrail plans. Um, I'm assuming everybody in the
room is here for this item. Fantastic. Thank you for coming. I will ask you, we're going to is it is a general policy when we go through this, if you choose to speak, just let us know what your name is and what your address is and we're going to keep it civil. Fair enough.
Thanks. Um, do you want um how do you want do we want Mr. Vans to give us a background? Yes. Go ahead. I think we're going to do the whole thing, but let's let Mr. Valqu um
Okay, this came through his office of DPW. Yep. Hey Dan, good evening. Hi, good evening. And for those out there who don't know, I'm Dan Vansick, the DPW director. Um yeah, so I was contacted by a resident, John Jana Karns, about a a
rusty rail out at Pleasant Street Extension. and I hadn't been out there in a while. So, I went to see what she was talking about and it was the um court and steel guardrail that we've gotten to know uh through um this inquiry. And so, um so I reached out to CJ to ask
him why the court and steel guard rail was installed as opposed to the wooden guard rail which was shown on the approved subdivision plans. And he indicated the former director um had given him a verbal approval to do so. And um I checked with the former
director who was actually still working with us at the time and he does not remember doing such a thing and there was no nothing in writing um that CJ provided. Okay. Um, so that I that's what I I stood with him and I told him um I wouldn't recommend doing street
acceptance to the planning board if it wasn't the um wooden guard rail which I you know I kind of look at it as it's like installing Cape Cod Burm instead of Granite Curb. You know you're they're giving you the Chevy instead of the Cadillac. You know looks really nice.
It's great for the town. Um you know if I was a towns person I would prefer to have a nice nicer looking subdivision. Um, and so that's why I sent the letter to And it exists in the detail of the plants. Correct. Yeah. So, so then I sent the letter to CJ and he replied and
indicated he would um be willing to um speak to the planning board about it, but um I don't know where he is tonight, but anyways. Um yeah. Um so that's in a nutshell what happened. So I know the the also the residents have sent me a letter which I believe got to the board.
Yes. and it was signed by several residents in the area um essentially just requesting the wooden guardrail be installed. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to since you just referred to the letter, I'm going to ask the clerk to read the letter. And the reason we do things verbally is because
it has to be in a record that's verbal in Massachusetts. Just I'm just letting the crowd know what's going on. Go ahead. Okay. So this is a letter dated April 10th, 2022 directed to the Department of Public Works at the attention of Dan Skullwick who is of course the director
of public works. Dear Dan, we the undersign comprising all the residents of the new extension to Pleasant Street which is part of the Riley Jane Farm residential subdivision unanimously call upon the town of Arinas Department of Public Works to demand that the subdivision be completed strictly in
accordance with the definitive plan approved by the air planning board on July 7th, 2016. It has come to our attention that CJ Moore has asked for an exemption to avoid having to install a woodstar guard rail that conforms with the specifications shown on C sheet C92 of
the approved plans. Instead, he intends to make the rusty highway guardrail that is currently in place permanent. To support his claim, he has made unsubstantiated allegations of a verbal agreement with the previous director of the Department of Public Works. We strongly urge the town to de to deny him
an exemption from the approved plans. The existing highway guardwell has no place in a residential area. Keeping it in place would permanently mar the appearance of the neighborhood, adversely affect property values, and present a safety hazard to the local children. Granting Mr. Moore his request
would harm the long-term well-being of our community for his short short-term expediency. We know that the Department of Public Works current position is to deny Mr. Moore's exemption. We exhort you not to give into his request and stand ready to take further action if he insists on reneging on his commitments
to the community. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Please do not hesitate to contact Jana Kurs with any questions at 617-510-2822. And the signitories include Charlotte and Megan Ward of 120 Pleasant Street, Jeremy Colaso and Laura Castillo of 121
Pleasant Street, Tabitha Kun Kunua and Francis Mon of 122 Pleasant Street, Laura and Nicholas Newman of 123 Pleasant Street, and Jana and Andre Kurs of 124 Pleasant Street. and my apologies if I mispronounced anyone's name.
Thank you, Miss Thank you, Jonathan. Okay. Um, we have you did invite Mr. Mark. Okay. He did give a an email reply to me and
um he also CCD Mark and yourself. I don't know if you want to you want me to read it or get it in. Yeah. Yes, please. Of course. Can you read that in Dan? Can you read that in Dan's voice, please?
Okay. So, this is a This is an email from CJ Moore to Dan Van Skullway dated Monday, April 11th, uh, 2022 at 8:01 a.m. regarding the guardrail in Pleasant Street Extension. Good morning. There was a conversation with the former superintendent. We
discussed the use of the court and steel guardrail instead of the galvanized steel to have less of an industrial look. I do not believe there are any written agreements as to which type of guardrail is used on the town road. Although the approved subdivision plan calls for wooden guardrail, Dan, you noted in your letter that the current installed installed rail meets
regulatory crash requirements. The wooden guardrail was put on the plan because typically it is a more economical option opposed to steel. We use a similar equal product to meet the regulatory crash requirements. So other than one resident saying is not aesthetically pleasing, I'm not sure why we need to replace it. When it comes to
aesthetics, installing a wooden guard rail on that type of radius would be very difficult to do with many cut angles as it goes around the retention area. It will not flow with the curbing as the steel does. I would think this is less aesthetically app uh app pleasing. I do not think that when the trees are
planted and the final pavement curbing and grades are done, the current guard rail will be such an eyesore as one resident is calling it. I'm more than happy to meet with the planning board to discuss on site if you would like or attend the next meeting. Thank you, CJ Moore. Thank you, Mr. Prince.
CJ Mo was made aware of one of the planning board meets. I pretty Mark Mark says yes. I think so. Yeah. I mean, he was you want me to go check my emails? Yes. Okay. All right.
Required to post it. You think you would have been notified? I guess it doesn't. Okay. Any discussion from the board? Like to open up to the public for comment also? Yes, please. I don't know if you guys want to any discussion from the board.
I I have a question. Go ahead. For the more technically aware people the in the email the part or actually maybe Dan I could even be asking you but the the idea that it can't hand a wood rail can't handle the
curve. Is that something in your experience you feel accurate or valid? I think it would get it is probably what he says. It would get more complex around the curve because with steel you could give it a nice bend, but with wood you're probably going to have to make more cuts and potentially more
posts. Yeah. So, it would um it'd be a little more complex, but you you can still do it. And it is done. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. And we have we have examples of wood guard rails elsewhere in town. Yes. Mhm. Okay.
Awesome. Um other questions from the board, please. Oh, no. You first. Um Dan, uh the letter says that you said that the guardrail is uh the existing guard rail that's in there now is is crashworthy. Was that a statement to um
for the safety and not for the approval of the of uh what's there? You're just to say this is this is good for now and there's not a safety issue as you continue construction. That's correct. Yes. Yeah, it does meet safety requirements, crash test
requirements. Yeah. Yeah. Um to Dan, we're not contending that the wood bill did not meet safety regulations. We're just saying that the other one does. They're equivalent. Am I correct in saying that? That's right. Yeah. There's no real improvement by going to
steel from wood design. Correct. Yeah, they both pass the mass DOT crash standards. Outstanding in the remark that it's a better alternative for safety. Correct. Right. Please. I'm sorry. No, Jonathan.
So, just want to just put this out there. One is that um presumably Mr. Moore agreed to the site plan that he presented. I mean, it's this site plan that we approved and it did say would and I'd feel very differently about it if uh we had received a different letter
from the residents saying, "Oh, we're happy with this. We're happy with this field." Then I would say, "Fine, we can, you know, we could look toward, you know, waving that part of the site plan." But the reality is that no, all the residents dislike this. It is not what they bought into and it's not what's on the site plan. And I defer to
um to their judgment about what what's aesthetically pleasing because they're the people living there. Yeah, I think the letter from the residents is is great. Glad to hear from the residents. We want we are concerned with aesthetics as well as safety, but I think there's a clarification that needs
to be made. We're we're not aware of any exemption that Mr. Moore has asked for. I'm not aware of any exemption that's been made to the planning board. And in the event that there were an exemption made through the DPW director, not sure the DPW director would be authorized to do it on his own without coming to the
planning board for an a change or amendment to the plan. So there's really no solid standing that that the wood should not be installed. I don't think it's, you know, should have been a wood cut right from the get-go. Um,
okay. Thank you. M. Is anyone else aware of any There's been no communication that's come in that said he's requested a change or anything like that? No, I'm not aware of anything. Only the letter that was sent to Dan. I have the email, right? Yeah. So, there was Right. That
email he sent to me with a followup indicating he'd be willing to come to a meeting and discuss it. Yes, please. Hi, I'm Andre Street. I'm going to ask you a favor. Excuse me. Hey, Barry. Is that microphone on? Yeah. Yes. That's so it gets recorded and
people can hear you. Okay. Not to make you feel nervous. Sure. Um I'm Andre course 124 Pleasant Street. Yianna course is my wife and the um um the bench exemption is uh my wife contacted Mr. CJ Moore directly
and uh he uh claimed that he requested an exemption to from the Department of Public Works. So we're basically reflecting his own words in the letter about the exemption. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Okay. Any further comments from the board at this point?
Anybody else on the public? I'm going to get there. I've only been doing this about four years now. Okay. Thank you. Um, anybody else from the public would like to stand up and and and add to the hearing? This is your
chance. It's not a it's not a function of piling on. If you want to make a comment or two, if we haven't covered something, by all means. No. Okay. Thank you. You guys are so tough. I have forgotten
about the public in the past in all honesty. Usually on Zoom though. Usually on Zoom. Exactly. Cuz on Zoom I can't see everything. Okay, great. Um, are we at a point where we want to uh any more comments from the board?
Would you we have is there another I believe there's another comment from a board member needed to be asked. Uh, okay. So, for clarification, I think I asked Mark when this came up if there was uh uh the final letter for shity. How much shity was being held on
the on the project at this point in time and the clarification on the shity? We don't just indicate to the public that we hold money back until the project is 100% complete and I gave you my copies of letters from this morning. Okay. I don't think there was anything left.
Um if I remember the last letter from Mr. Wetzel to us, there was an amount of money that is equal to roughly 66,00 something. Don't quote me on the on the dollars and cents part on the you know on the right hand side of the comma.
Yes, that's what I found in our records. Yeah, exactly. There was a request to the proponent to make a deposit to bring the total number up to that number. That's what the math in that letter states. Yeah. Um I wish I hadn't given you the copy of
the letter this afternoon because it didn't make its way back. Um do you have it? Yeah, thank you. Got my notes. So I believe We have I'm just going to write the deed so I can try to find that. You can have this back, Mr. Yeah. So, really what it came down to
was based on cyber status of February 1st, 2021. This is in the letter dated March 4th, 2021 that from Mr. Wessel to the planning board. Site work under contract is 58,277. Trees and site restoration had $5,000 in the account. There's a 5% contingency
for $3,165 added up to $66,442. currently town is an escal of approximately 41,440 35 and so a request was made to the proponent at the time to replenish the
account with $25,000 in cash to bring it up to 66442. I do not know from the treasurer if that actually happened or not, but I believe we have $66,442 in shity right now in cash from Mr. Moore that's in our that's the town in
the town's possession. Um Mr. Vans and I were talking about this earlier today. It's difficult in today's building climate to ascertain that's enough money to build this. Um we were chatting about it briefly and Dan was going to try and look into it,
but I don't think that was probably not possible. Yeah, I wasn't able to get any good numbers that quick on the unit prices, especially like with the fluctuations right in steel and and wood everything. Yeah. So, um it sounds to me like with that
piece of information, just put it aside for a moment. The board expects the project to be completed with the details that are in the plan. That detail was all circulated to all of you earlier this week. Um on
page C9.2, to the section that we highlighted in yellow in the middle that shows wooden posts, wooden rail with um steel plate backing and steel bolts on it, which I believe is the one that Mas dot approves. Yeah. Okay.
Any further questions? Any further comments? Is there an action that that this board can take? Well, it's in the plan. There's a wooden guard rail. Mhm. So unless the planning board weighs it, that's the expected construction.
Okay. Perhaps write a letter. I write a letter reiterating that. Yeah. So I I I would entertain a motion that we the plan board write a letter to Mr. Moore explaining that we have expectation that
the guardrail be completed as in the details in the plans. Also, the town has not accepted the road and the road acceptance does not ex well this is a barrier to the road being accepted by the town. Okay. So, I believe we still have some roads
in town we haven't accepted for many years unfortunately for other reasons but right there are some that have fallen through the practice but als but but in this case uh we also hold a fair amount of his points deposit. Okay. Okay. So, I'd like to make a
motion that the board direct our town planner to address a letter to CJ Moore uh reiterating our insistence that the site plan be followed, including the fulfillment of the uh wooden guard rail as described in the site plan and that the failure to to fulfill the
obligations estate in the site plan will interfere with the town's acceptance of the street and our ability to release remain in short. Seconded. Any discussion? I just have to let you know in the situ I'll have to abstain
because I have a conflict with a moral project. Okay. So, you got your finger in everything. I'm kidding. Okay. Uh moved and seconded. No further discussion. All in favor? I
opposed. Abstension. Thank you, Mr. Dan. To the neighbors, we've done what we can do. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We do appreciate it. Thank you. We really do. Um and for showing up tonight.
Yeah. And for show always for showing up. Um thank you Dan. Can I ask you one question and I'm not going to hold you to this. Okay. When it's been a while since I I was actually involved in this plan coming forward previous when I was on planning board years ago. Now, it turns out, is
there a utility easement that runs towards the rail trail up there? Yes, there is. Yeah, there's a waterline easement and we have a project, the town does. So the subdivision um was required
the moors to install the water man to the property line through an cross-country easement to the national grid power lines and then from there we are in the process of creating an easement under the rail trail and the national grid power lines. We already have one on the third property.
Okay. And the rail trail takes a lot more work. It's article 97 land. So it's going through a state legislature vote at this point. But anyways, there is a an easement to make a cross-country water connection for a loop. Is that typically a 20 foot easement on
on the surface? Yes. Okay. I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but you have to have utilities coming into your properties and so it comes from the rail trail going over. Um, also I was a member of this. I was part of the discussions many many years ago long
before the lots were even laid out to be honest with you and for for the buildings were decided upon that these easements exist. The town has them all over the place. One of the things we've been trying to do, and I'm not asking you to decide this now, it's a yes, not
a yes no question, but we often use those easements as um access across properties. In other words, you can get to the high school walking on easements across developments we have
here in town. So, I just want to make you all aware that we we're a complete streets community, which is also in our master plan is to tie things together. And that was in the original discussions of the plans many, many moons ago. I'm I hope I'm not giving you bad news about this, but I just want to let you know
that I couldn't get to our plans because we voting tomorrow and our plans are stuck in behind all the voting machines and we can't touch them. So, but I wanted I thank you for remembering that because that's what that's what I was going to ask you today when we were talking earlier is where does the cross country easement there because I think
it goes across National Street Extension and Riley Kane. That's not the same one. You guys know you guys know where the that extension is the residence of the land. You know, you know the house where the guardrail ends on the guardrail that's outside. Okay.
The house to the left of that I believe is between those two houses. Yeah. But just so you know, there's not the first and second house, but the second and third house. The two that are on the side of the rail. It's like a
it's going to go right across under the rail trail the street on the other side. That's where the water is going to be looped out to keep to get a the idea was when that subdivision was built that there was a good that would be a dead end water wasn't very
was created to move the water to one of the streets so the water would be clean not a dead end water service if you put turn your hose on cap it on one end and fill it with water and see what happens after a while to the water in the end of your hose
Very similar things happen to water services to buildings. So we always try and build in a loop so the water continuously moves through the loop. So when they flush the hydrants, we're pulling stuff out of it. Okay. But that some of the residents over there will be impacted by the easement. Really what it
comes down to is you can't build on the easement because should we ever have to get into the ground to work on the water line, you can't have something there. And we can see all that. Just look at the site plan, right? It should be on the site plan. Yes. subdivision plan. Sorry. Just just to be It's a subdivision plan.
On the subdivision plan. Yes. So, no one's calling asking for a site plan. It's actually a subdivision plan. So, just want to make you aware of it. It's it's not bad news. Every single division in the world has these things. Just knowing about it now is easier than finding out after you've erected a shed
on it or done something like that. Thanks, Dan. There's Yeah, I I can't tell which lots it's between, but first and the second lot on the second. It's the first and the second lot on the left side of the circle. Yeah.
I don't know. It doesn't show any of the house numbers. When these project becomes live, these it'll have to notify them because we don't have to get equipment across there. Right. Correct. Right. Right. Yeah. When we go to construction. Y we didn't require monuments or anything. There's no B there's no boundaries on
that one. I don't believe cuz it was there was no um conservation land monuments required for that ement. is not they leave a big like a 4x4 stake. They ran the line out to the field. Oh, the water man. Isn't there a steak there in the field? That probably is. Usually when we cap it
and we know we're going to go back, we leave a mark. Yeah. So, we brought it out about I don't know 100 ft, something like that. Yeah. And the construction process won't be extremely intense. It's going to be horizontal directional drilling. So,
we're not going to have dump trucks and loaders and excavators. It'll just be I I see some some concerned looks. Horizontal directional drilling. They take a machine, they put it here, it goes under and it drills horizontally to the other point, and they can
actually control it from above. So, you got a guy walking around with a thing in his hand. You wonder what he's doing? He's actually controlling the depth and direction of the drill bit. And they just add sections to it as it goes underneath. It's a phenomenal way of not having to trench everything.
And uh around here it's sandy soil. It's Yeah. So when we get to that point, there'll be there'll be notifications. Notifications coming to you guys. I just thought I'd use this time while you're here to inform you that the horrible TWW is going to show up and
actually make your life better. Yeah. Um anything else on this one? Just just a quick question in terms of timelines. Is there any sort of deadline for you know the to be completed?
It's a great question. Um I have heard that he wants to go for street acceptance in the fall. So that's that's what I heard. But other than that, so the process for street acceptance, yeah, um, streets have to be built to the DPWs
and the town standards. Large trucks have to be able to use them. They got to be a certain width, things like that. Radiuses on turns, curving's got to be in, all that stuff's got to be done. Once the street acceptance is applied for, the DPW goes out and makes a recommendation.
Accept it or don't accept it. Town mayor accepts streets in town meeting. That's why Dan says in the fall. We have two town meetings every year. One in April, one in October. We do all the money stuff in April, all the other stuff in October. So, he's shooting for Halloween
this year to get his money back from the town. And that would be the timeline. Uh it gets a little confusing or hard to predict given the current state of availability of product. You know, we
all end up being more patient than we have to be in sometimes in these cases. And Jeff point the in order to go on the warrant for town for street acceptance, there has to be public hearings, I believe, with the planning board and the select board. Yeah, correct. So, that's going to be quite a process.
That's eight or eight weeks prior. So, he's going to be coming plenty opportunity to to know about it and express your in August. You'll know about it, right? Yes. Generally, in August, they need to submit to the select board. And if you're not familiar with the warrant, the warrant is the things we will take a warrant is what we'll pick up is an
article we'll pick up in the town meeting for approval or non-approval. And that gets published the final copy gets published 3 weeks roughly. So you'll know by the 1st of October, but to be honest with you, street acceptance, is there um not is there a
better notification for street acceptance? Yeah, there is. You'll start getting letters. You look at the letter, go, what is this? actually pay attention to it or call the phone number on it, please. We had a situation years ago where people who were abuting a project that they didn't think they were, but they were
the abutters never call and then all of a sudden they wondered why and they all got those little green cards that um Heather was showing. We require return receipt for a butter notification. So, you all got you'll get something in
the mail saying what it is. Any other questions for now? Okay. Yep. We'll hope it'll go in the right direction. Thank you guys. Thank you, Dan. Thank you very much. Thank you guys. Have a good night.
Okay, next on our Are you still okay with time? Yeah. Okay, great. Um let's do this. Um I'm sorry. What can you do to win? I'm here. Oh, okay. Great. I I thought you had an issue with the kids tonight. Okay. Um
the town update. Who needs that? Okay. We've been systematically uh visiting sites that were approved and the most recent being Shaker Milton subdivision. I'd like to propose the Catalo site plan on Westford Road is
perhaps the next one we might want to visit. It appears that there might be some issues on that property as far as compliance. Gataldo, you said. Gatalo. I'm glad you said Gatalo and I thought the one across the street landscaping
that business on West Road that we approved in 2018 I think. Okay. So I will try to contact Mr. Catelo and hopefully is Thursday mornings working for people? Yes. Yeah. Well, without being able to get a
hold of him, I don't know if we should set a date. It seems like Thursdays have been working. We seem to hit I'll try for a Thursday if if you don't mind. And if we could start clo as close to 9:00 possible for the next couple Thursdays, I appreciate it. I can be there earlier, 8:30 or 9, but
9:00 would be for me. I've got something that goes from 7 to 9 on Thursdays. Okay. And I'm doing it when I pull up. Fantastic. Voice concerns is not in compliance with the site. Is it kind of you're leaning towards? appears that way from driving by. But uh
which brings me to the question of was that site plan required to have a bill drawing. So there again think we were doing that. I know since I've been on it I've been requesting I was going to ask that about the red I will have to look at the approval. I don't have the approval document right
here but because at a minimum we should be getting that anyway. Yeah. And in a moment, I'll talk about how things have been changing since 2017 and how things impact different projects that are coming to conclusion now and
what we Ken's got a great point in talking about what we have. Okay, what else you got, Mark? Uh, that's it for now. I hope at the next meeting I'm working on the final touches for the open space residential development uh regulations and guidelines. I finally figured out how to
to change a PDF so so I can uh make some graphic changes. Okay. So, I will get that to to to everybody so we can talk about it at the next meeting. Fantastic. Meeting minutes for April 26. Thank you. I made everyone's changes. Sorry, I made both of yours.
Yeah, I saw those. Thank you very much, Jonathan. I just was sitting on my computer late at night and I opened them up and I saw one thing and I go, "Okay, I'm going to read these." So, um, can we get a motion, please? Yes. I'd like to make a motion that we approve the the meeting minutes as amended
for the April 26, 2022 airplane board meeting. Seconded. Move and second. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor? I oppose. That's unanimous. And here is a signed copy for you.
Oh, thank you. I apologize that I have meeting schedules still on the agenda. I don't think we really need to discuss it unless you want to cancel the next meeting. No worries. Uh we'll get there in a second. Okay. Uh administrative announcements, meeting schedule. Don't worry. Yeah, it's it's down below. Uh meeting schedules cuz we
had to that was last agenda. We had to reschedu this evening and I appreciate everybody being available tonight. Um it's very helpful. Old business and new business. Do we have stuff on the next meeting that we need to if we're looking at the meeting schedule anyway? Um, we'll talk about that in a moment if you don't mind.
Uh, old business and new business. Mr. Disc, do you have anything you'd like to discuss with old and new? I'll pass tonight. Nothing. Okay. Okay. Nothing that h nothing. There's not I've got nothing burning right now.
Um, you did get the minutes from our last walk through. I did. They're written. Good. Okay. Yeah. Everybody has a copy of them. Okay. Great. Um, what I've been doing is just, excuse me, yeah, a second. What I've been doing is after the walk through. Yeah. I've just been sitting down at my
computer and just very quickly who who went who met where and what we accomplished and if anything took place. So, they're they're here. Do we need to actually um approve these at some point or incorporate them into the minutes of the next meeting?
I would think so. Yes. Okay. We did that with the last segment. Okay. So, do we need to take an action on this? My suggestion is that we put this and anything you did for uh the AO project
together and included with the next set of minutes since we voted on the other I like that idea. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. And uh what I'll do is um I've been sending them to Heather and Mark. What I'll probably do is I'll just send them out to everybody. It violates meeting law. You can't do
that. Not even asformational. Correct. has to go. It's just easier because it's it's so easy for someone who gets it from you to hit reply all and then it becomes a meeting discussion. So to bypass all that if you'd like it to send it to either me or Mark and then redo it and then there's no issue.
Perfect. Absolutely fine. People have a tendency to hit that reply all button and it does come from a it it opens that up. I'm not good with that to be honest with you. I have always sent it to the planner or the the planning board office because I don't know why they just do it that Yeah, it just Yeah, it it it
makes it easier not to not not to fall in that loop. I found I found enough. The blind squirrel found enough. There you go. Go ahead, Mr. Cran. You found I just wanted to let my colleagues know that the uh CPTC that who has sponsored some education for us in the past just
recently released an email announcing a workshop regarding uh master plan formation. I just wanted you to be aware of it. I uh personally am not going to attend only because it's so many years. We're not close to it yet. When we get closer, I'll attend because I know that by the time we actually get to it, I
will forget everything I would have learned in 2022. So, but I just thought I'd share the information in case you're curious about what that process looks like, CPTC will discuss it. That's it. Thank you. Thank you. Any other news about planning?
Fantastic. The last question I had was upcoming meetings. I Julie asked about that. So on our um on our radar, Stratnel is coming back. They're going to start with a prelim. My understanding
is they're going to start with a preliminary. It looks similar. We do not have a copy of it. Some of the people in our office have seen it and they described it this way. It looks very similar with some shorter driveways and we're still talking mid30s for numbers
of lots. Mhm. They I don't believe they gave you a Did they tell you the exact number or they said about 35? Yeah, 35 exact or somewhere between 32 the same. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They were proposing June 28th
the opening. So that'll be the second uh second meeting of June. Second meeting of June. So that's three meetings away. Um, anything else come in that you're aware of coming in between now and May? No. Um, and we we'd miss any deadline. So the only thing that would come in that'd be able to be acted on by the
planning board would be an ANR. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Just a clarification. Uh, they have to do the abutter notifications for that the next meeting, right? Because we use this for preliminary preliminary. I don't believe they need That's right. Thank
They don't believe that they need to do anything for a preliminary. I just for just for the video recording June 28th tent to defle is what we understand Stratton Hills coming back because I know that there are going to be many people in the community who will be profoundly interested in this meeting. Yeah.
Well, the preliminary meeting um just for clarification they should also be having preliminary meetings within town hall with the group in town hall even before they come to the planning. You've already had that is what you're saying or you'll have it soon. uh land use the land use meeting.
Yes, I will invite them to the one in June before I think the first thing on the agenda we need we need the plans to actually be submitted so that people can we can discuss it. But yes, we will we will I anticipate they'll be filing in early
June so we will have the plan set and we can hold the land use meeting like June. preliminary plan just basically just show the lot. There's no utilities or the way it ended if you recall the way it ended um discussion was at the point where there was a big
discussion going on regarding the conservation analysis. Yes. Okay. Right. And it was not an agreement. So I think if we go back and look at the steps is conservation analysis like the first step including the preliminary plan or
even before the preliminary plan. So we got usually it's concurrent and yeah so yeah so I I know I think I know where you're going with this and where we need to be going with this is
the OS the this comes to us as an OSRD. Yes. Yeah. under the OSRD conservation excuse me plan is expected to work as closely as possible with conservation in the beginning of the process and that
maybe um I don't know if there if they have approached conservation that's a question we can ask at this point um well we had a little informal meeting that's why we know the June 28th date right and Heather was there and just
Heather and Jessica Gina were Yes. Yeah. So, conservation commission is aware that the planning board will be serving on June 28th. Okay. And uh the conservation commission's role is to get their recommendation on what should be preserved as open space
to the planning board hopefully before the the end of the preliminary plan phase. So, we have another opportunity to get it right. Good. Anything that conservation needs, anything we can provide? Let's do it. I
think uh we're working I think we're working really good together guys. It's it's shifted seismic shift with conservation and also DPW and other things. Um it's worked a great deal. Okay, I have one more thing
if anybody's then we have no one else has anything else. Tomorrow is election day. We will have a new elect hopefully a newly elected board member tomorrow evening. That puts us in the season of board elections. Please think about that for the next meeting. Next agenda.
Oh, sorry. Back to the previous thing. Did you decide on the May 24th meeting if there was going to be one or not? At this point, you say only thing that could possibly come through would be an ANR. Correct. I have a suggestion. Yes, please. I I would not be of the mindset to
eliminate that meeting. I'd rather have the board study section 10 of the OSI at the meeting. That's a good idea. So we have a t chance for all of us to talk about and understand the sequence before Stratton Hill actually comes in. I I'd be more like I think it's
important that we take the time to back check the sequence because that's what happened the last time. If you recall they came in with a subdivision plan without going to preliminary and it's still hung up on the conservation analysis. There's still a big discussion regarding the um permit that was issued
by the state. I think it's called a conservation manager permit. Maybe it's CMP something like that. So, we need to review that stuff in our minds is what I'm getting at. And I think be wise for us to take the time to do that in in a working session if that's what we call. Yep. Then we can talk about the regs
that I will that will hopefully supplement that. That's very good timing. If mom gets those regs out. Yep. Um then we'd have to get a legal opinion I guess with Yeah. No, we should be good with the rights, right? Because they pulled it up. So they're basically starting from scratch again.
Withdrew without prejudice. Without prejudice, we have a couple of legal things that we have to think about, you know, to understand what we stand. Regulations have to get approved through a public hearing process. Well, then we should put it. So, if we can get that public hearing posted because it it dates back to when
that public hearing is is held before they come through, then they're held liable. So, we have time to do that then before June 28th. We have a couple of meetings to do. Can you bless Can you get to the point where you need to be with the OSRD in order to post a meeting on the 24th, 15 days from today?
Regulations? Yes. A public hearing? Yes, we could. Good. If uh do we have time from the 24th for a public hearing? I you do it June 14th. I think you'd be better off doing the 14th because that way you can get legal.
You don't want I don't it feel be premature to have you have that before council's had a chance to review them because then you might be Oh, I agree. That's that's why I'm asking them all up. So yeah, we've had an internal working group, you know, Ken and Jonath that
buys you another and Jessica and John John Small. Thank you. Y right internally we're all sat satisfied I believe with that draft but the full board has not seen it exactly.
So why don't we try and get if you can get us a copy as soon as you can it' be helpful. I agree with Mr. just Ken's approach to sitting down and doing this either with the section 10 we have and any modifications that we might have. We we're we're all big boy big boys and
girls. We can run in parallel if there's going to be a slight change along the way and let's see if we can't thank you for letting it go. Oh my goodness. I got myself in that in that. We're all big people. And then um you
let's see if we can't post a hearing for June 14th. If if it is possible, I would appreciate the May date because I will be absent from June 14th. But don't hold up. Me too. Yeah. Okay. It may be a challenge to get it back from, but yeah, that' be fun.
But if we can work in May with the two in parallel and point out the differences since we have the authors here, that might be very helpful. Pre-ereading like that in May. Um That would be great dramatic reading. I'll have a conversation. Um
let's um let's reach out to um the chair of the um conservation commission and see if anybody on the conservation commission wants to join us at that meeting. Make it a working session. Okay.
Fantastic. And then the other agenda other agenda item for the 24th is board elections. Yep. I have that now. Thank you very much. I think I might even have it drafted already so I wouldn't forget any I want to say that the last thing that
the conservation got I'm speaking out of turn, but the thinking that the last thing the conservation commission was doing was requesting that the applicant for Stratenville complete a new conservation analysis, but they were questioning
the original conservation analysis and the applicant may or may not agree with that analysis determination. They're working all that out and we'll let we'll know more on May 24th about the status of I guess. Okay.
We didn't completely resolve that. Yeah, I think it's best to let the commission work that out with with Collins and they whatever they come they can break down. They they operate on their own timeline, but I think it's really nice that it would be nice to have us all
working within the same playbooks in the beginning of the process. Well, you're going to see when when Rock shows you the draft of the uh uh regulations, rules and regulations for the OSID, you're going to see the cooperative effort that was put in including a lot for conservation.
Absolutely. I like to said absolutely. There was a lot of cooperation. Correct. Oh, yeah. So, the feedback I've gotten is the cooperation's been phenomenal. The scribe skills are amazing. And the
other person who's really good at writing, Jonathan keeps that person on their game and they're very happy to have you at the table the entire time. Sorry. But you know, Jonathan, you got to go
with I mean the words were Oh, I know. He's really good and I really appreciate his careful thinking through. I think those were almost the exact words. This blush here. No, it's okay. Um, good luck tomorrow, Jonathan.
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Any further comments before we adjourn? No. Motion to adjurnn, please. So moved. It's 8:13. All in favor? I thank you very