Heat. Heat. Okay. This meeting is being held in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act of the state of New Jersey. Notice of time and place of this meeting was published in the annual meeting calendar and was posted on the bulletin board by the city clerk on
October 14th, 2025. The 2025 meeting calendar was published in legal advertisements in the Jersey Journal and the Star Ledger in December 2024. Additional notice of this meeting was faxed to the Bergen Record, the Trenton Times, and the Star Ledger on October
14th, 2025. Uh, Dr. Sorry, Mr. Phy, would you please uh do the call to order or whatever do we do the pledge of allegiance next to you? Okay. So, let's do that. You lead
us in that always. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible. >> Thank you. >> Commissioner Faley, would you take roll
call? >> You're you're usually saying the names of people. >> Okay. Don't don't care too much. Commissioner Jerusale >> present. >> Commissioner Glover >> present. >> Commissioner Hullac
>> present. >> Commissioner McGee >> present. >> Balardo is absent. Uh alternate commissioner Jesse Wolveren and uh chairman Nikki >> present.
We have a quorum Mr. Chairman. >> Great. So next on our list is adoption of minutes of previous meeting. So let us turn to our copies of that. Does everyone have a copy of that? Yes. Good. Okay. I make a motion to accept the minutes.
>> Second. Uh, all in favor? >> I Okay, I just want to make one comment on things. Can I just verify with the rest of you under update on historic properties, it says that what came back
from Jay Coffee, according to a letter from Cardinal Tobin, the church had not been closed properly. Now it is officially closed. Is that what what I don't recall is that what actually happened? >> Yeah,
>> that David said he would look into that >> if I'm not mistaken. >> Yes, we we have not had any updates on that. I mean, the last development was what we stated back in May and we have not heard back. I think we contacted uh
the pastor of St. Mary's for additional information and he did not respond. So I unfortunately I do not have anything to >> Okay. The reason I'm asking is I've heard it one way, I heard it another way, and I'm not sure what's actually happening there. Okay. Um
Okay. So, we've we've approved them the minutes otherwise. Let's move on. >> Mr. Chairman, there was an email issued from Mayor Davis's office. It's on the email now. >> Yeah, you mentioned that and that's why I'm asking. >> It's going to be open in the future. >> That's what we're what we're hearing.
So, I guess we should just be aware what was said at the meeting and that we approved that that is what was said, but that we've heard different since then. And I guess that should go into the minutes of this meeting. Okay. Now, if we go look, there is a packet that uh I
think Lee, one of the things that you didn't mention was that Dr. Ryan isn't here, that he's out sick. So, we don't have the person who's normally taking our minutes. We're going to try to have him work from the videotape of this meeting and take the minutes from that. Um, so based on that, we do have what uh
Dr. Ryan sent us in the mail, which is a set of uh uh paperwork. Oh, let's see. There's the ones that are attached here, but then somebody gave me this other one. I don't know. Did you give me this
one? >> Yes. >> Okay, so this one. >> Okay. >> I believe it has additional supplements. It looks like it has everything from the previous packet and a couple new. >> Okay. So, I I would say take a look at the what's in the packet and just make
sure there isn't anything that we should be doing. Uh most of these all say that we had no concern with it because it was not a landmark site or historic. The property is not historic. The commissioners offered either no comment or no objection. Commissioners offered
either no comment. Commissioners offered no objections. So coming. So the ones that are in the packet with the minutes look like there isn't anything for us to do that they're all okay. So then we turn to the new the new things that have come through and
Okay. So we have one. It looks like it's all about 78 West 16th Street. So do each of you have that packet? No. Okay. So I have one. Uh Lisa, you have one? No. Okay. So, I I think that
this is new new business. Uh we don't we don't have multiple cop do we have multiple copies of it. What >> site address while for me to copy everything? I >> I think >> something which we were going to >> I think these were the copies to give
out. >> Okay. So, hold on a second. You need three over there and he needs three over there and then you know this may generate communication. Frank, can you look Mr. Commissioner McGee, can you
look at this address 78 West 16th Street and tell us what that looks like? If that looks commonplace or if that looks fancymancy, it's a landmark. >> Okay. Because he usually does that. They
each got one, right? Yeah. >> It looks like they were all the same. Oh, you need you need one more. >> One more. Good. Okay. So, this is one that none of us had before and we could take a look at
and we could probably verbally tell Dr. Ryan what we think should be done with it. It says it's a three-story residential building south side of 16th Street between Avenue C and Broadway. Probably is owned
and a couple owns it and it looks like they want to make some changes to it. It's on the agenda for the meeting of December 15th. So, we will have another meeting before and we can address it at that meeting if any of you have any
concerns that this is I mean to me it doesn't look like it's a landmark building. >> It looks rather you know typical average and not so fancy. Seems to have a very long Yeah, that that staircase looks like
very interesting. I don't think I've ever seen one that long in Bayon before. Maybe we could landmark it on the ground said it's the longest driveway in Baham. Anyway, um I don't see anything. So we let's take this under consideration that we will talk about it at the December 1st meeting.
Is that good good with everyone? Great. If I'm moving fast, it's because I don't want us to get bogged down in anything. Okay. So that's our review of correspondence. uh on the we had placed on the um agenda the chief John Brennan
Fire Museum. What's happened over at the fire museum is there has been a renaissance. A group of people have become involved as being aboard for for this uh undertaking uh for taking care for getting the nonprofit status back
for the uh museum group that's taking care of the the building and um for getting uh their n their incorporation and their nonprofit status. Uh, one of the things that they had a volunteer come up with was an idea that the wall
of the building, which I would say I guess that's the east wall of the building, uh, which fronts on Morris Park, that that should be painted. And I believe they've painted a mural of a fire fire manic type mural. Uh, one of
the things that I thought we were going to have time to warn them about is that this is already a state and federal landmark. Therefore, something going up on the walls of it should really get some approval from the state and federal um, you know, Shipo, the state historic
preservation office. Uh, and they did not know that they needed to do this. So, I've gone back to Shipo and said, "Hey, we've had a little error here. We would like to expedite getting it straightened out and we would like to go over um what's happened and just make sure that
everybody's okay with it, that it doesn't in any way change the landmark status of the building. Sometimes if something is done, for example, if the windows were replaced and they weren't replaced with the right kind of windows, we might have an issue. I don't think this is going to be a problem because
here it's kind of advertising for the museum. It's very much in keeping with that this is a firehouse building. Um I don't think it's going to be a major problem, but we still have to go through. There is a form that we're going to be getting from the shipo that they want the uh tenants to fill out. Um
because the building is cityowned and because it's city-owned, they want this, you know, to go through. So Dr. Ryan was supposed to be getting that form. Um I have to check and see where it is. So that's on our agenda that it's going to be uh item that we're going to be
addressing in the next couple of months. Anybody who's interested in firehouses and who would like to work with the firehouse group, let me know and I will be glad to pass you over to them. So, that's the firehouse museum. Uh let's let's go to Commissioner Hivec.
Any report, anything you want to report on North Street or on the uh St. Andrews Chapel? >> No. Um, at the last meeting that we did have, I did hope to work on it this summer, but I did have a pleasant surprise this summer. I went to see my
cousins upstate who I haven't seen in a very long time. And then we went to Lake George for practically the entire summer. So, I didn't have a chance to do it. >> So, maybe for the next meeting, give us a, you know, like some target dates, a calendar of when you think those two
things would be done. And if there is anything that you are planning on doing with St. Andrew's church itself. Let us know, you know, if that if there's something you want to try with that or if you're just going to work on the chapel and the house at North Street. Okay. Uh let's move on to Jessica.
Jessica, we were talking about the Firehouse Museum. Another issue that the Firehouse Museum has is that I think I I don't know whether it happened before or after the building was landmarked, but the outside of the building was stuckcoed. Now, many of the brick
buildings in Bon are made out of something, I think it's called malleable brick. And there is an issue with brick before 1900 where it was made out of sand. And over time, it turns back into sand. Now, the last thing I want to find out is that I wake up one morning and
they tell me, "Oh, the wall at the firehouse turned into sand and now we have a gaping hole, you know, a block long in the museum." I don't think that would be very good. So I want you to take a look at it since you are the engineering member of the team and see
you know are we okay with that is that safe and letting the firehouse men building a relationship with them so that they know that they can ask for you to take a look at their their structures and make sure that everything is good in it. >> Yeah, I think that makes sense if you could give me maybe the the contact and
then I'll be able to I'll get in touch with them and actually I could talk to them about the mural too at that point just find out when they did everything. the the the mural is being dealt with by Shipo. Yeah. Because they have issues with it and they have a form and they're going to go through a process of of
vetting it, etc. The uh the building material and everything I want you to work on and it's Mr. Whitney. Mr. Whitney is a retired fireman who bravely works at that museum almost every day. He is always there. He is always working on making it a better place to teach
people and children about fire prevention. And I I salute him as as high as we could possibly salute him. He's a very good man, a very good guy, and he's done a fabulous job working with Gary Lapalooa and the other council members to get everything moving to get
it back in into a nonprofit organization and back into a viable place that can be u a source of education for the community. Okay. So, you have that and you also have um something that you and we're hoping Mr. Katie will be able to
work on which is we we were concerned that we look at doing a nomination for Mount Carmel Church because Mount Carmel has Boku art inside of it. It has a lot of um important paintings. It has a lot of artwork and we're concerned that you
know should this be landmarked and we've asked the two of you to take a look at that and see what what you can do with that. There is there are beautiful books that Ms. Shures Bavitz Podilski and Kowalsski wrote about um hundreds of pages. I think the latest one we gave
you was like 500 pages. Um and the windows are appear to be France Meyer windows. That's what they came that's the conclusion they came to. I'm not sure if they found signatures on them or not, but um and there is a lady who worked on the interior on the interior
artwork. It seems as though years ago we always said that the landmarking was basically about the exterior of a building. But in recent more recent years, we've seen especially in nominations of different buildings where how it looks inside
become more important. that if if the building inside looked completely different from its original purpose that that was kind of a problem for the state historic preservation office that they were not not so easy to agree that it's a landmark if exterior did not ma match
interior so um you know here you might want to take a look at the interior and I we can give you a a contact person from uh Mount Carmel who worked on the art and the artwork of it there are some artists who were uh involved in chest.
Their artwork is in the uh Polish church in in Cheshova in uh Pennsylvania and uh I think this is his name. Oh, I can't remember his name. I don't want to give the wrong name, but uh we can get connect you up with them uh and take a
look at it and see what what you can do with it. Um, I think theoretically all the churches in Dayon are landmarks, but uh, we seem to need to work on them as quickly as we can because there are different, uh, projects out there to try to reduce the
number of churches. Okay. Uh, is anyone else working on anything else or is anyone else interested in working on anything else? >> So, I I kind of have more of a question. Um, you know, the 250th is coming up of
America. I I kind of just wanted to know like just directionwise. I mean, I'm kind of a like young member of the committee, so I I would kind of need like direction on this and like what to do with it. But I I know last year um my colleague Gina Noak and I proposed some ideas between the school and and the
historic commission or just the school and the city in general and kind of getting that more involved. I mean, I brought my class to city hall and, you know, we had a little bit of a of a tour of it, but um my question is, are we looking at doing anything for the 250th? I mean, this is we can think like SAN's
schools as well. Are we doing anything like in the in partnership with the city for America's 250th? Um, do we know if there's going to be like a 250th parade or a 250th fair or anything? I don't think anybody from the city has has approached either the library or the
historical society or this commission saying that, you know, we're having a celebration and that that they want to coordinate it. So, we haven't heard anything about it. Different people are doing different things. I have a booklet that we just published that I'm actually working on version two of and that talks
about the paintings. There are about seven paintings at the library that are based on the Revolutionary War period in Bayon and we've created with the with a grant from the county. They gave us a grant to do this booklet and I'm just busy knocking it up for version two which is coming soon. So it's a catalog
ra of Andrew Walsh's paintings with a first section that has pulled out all the Revolutionary War things. Uh and as you will see this is called the secrets of the longlost landmarks. It isn't like there are that many things
that are still here from 250 years ago. So, um I mean signage there's a sign where we had a fort, but um you know there were two forts and you know there there's not something that we could take people to and say oh you know we're going to take you through a tour of
something because there's nothing left that exists. It's kind of so that makes it kind of difficult. Uh, I think maybe Lee, um, I'm sorry, not Lee. Uh, maybe, um, Joe Ryan can talk to the council members and see if they would like to,
you know, they would like to fund and or sponsor something where we could have a team of people get together and figure out what to do. be it a parade, be it an exhibit, be it, you know, I'm sure we could come up with something, but no one has as as of yet, as far as I know, done
taken that step of saying to the city, what do you want to do? >> Okay. I I mean, I I don't know if we would be, you know, the extent of what we could do just as a commission ourselves, but I think in partnership maybe with the city or just with the library or with I know NJ has like NJ250. I don't know the extent of that
as well. I can speak with people at school and ask um what that's like. Um, I think they're more focused on like education and and and getting kids to do like a kind of NHD like project for that. Um, but I was just thinking in terms of like, you know, I know we just had like the Italian heritage parade. We just, you know, kind of bringing a
little bit of like historic spirit to Bayon. I mean, >> Bayon is not exactly the creme de la creme of like American revolutionary like landmarks, right? But it is still part of like the history of of the nation. Um, so yeah, I I'm just throwing it out there kind of. Um, if anybody has
any ideas or any direction that anybody wants me to take in the school system to ask for a partnership, >> I what the commission wants to do is to have Ryan talk to the commissioners. I mean the um >> Okay. The the city council members. >> City council members. Yeah. Okay. And
start with that because we should do this stuff down, >> not you know. And the other thing is Lee is reminding me that we already have another booklet that talks about all the events that happened in Beon during the Revolutionary War. This one talks about the paintings. And this is what we could
do since we are pretty well funded that we can do um signage, you know, is to is to say, hey, this is a house that's uh u that's here and that has it's it's long had a legend that Washington came here
to spy on the British. So that could get a sign that says, "Hey, this is this is one of those houses." The other house, um, we actually I actually found the location, but it's kind of in almost an industrial zone now. Uh, so it's not that the houses are there, but they were
there and perhaps we can put locations and stuff. And I mean if we if we did have signage as well and say we did have like a a 250th parade of some kind and again that would have to come from the the top down perhaps the route of that >> could take you know the the historic you know landmarks that we do have and we'd
have signage and you know if somebody wants to stop and just >> it's not landmarks it's basically archaeological. >> Yeah. So like just the the the location if you will of of the former landmark. Right. Um so yeah just that was just my idea. I I'm just trying to think in
advance because I know like we're a little ways away, but it's it's you know it's in July. >> Yeah. The other thing is that the people in Hudson County who work on this, they have cautioned us that we should not work with blinders. We do not have to
keep this to the 25. It doesn't mean we have to keep this to 1776. They're interested in all sorts of things that are his the history of the nation and the history of the history of the county, the history of so you know it can open up more along those lines.
So again I think it's important the council members get some input and that based on that they make some decision about what they want to entertain, what they want to fund. >> Okay. >> I think it would be good for them to know that the historic commission was was thinking about it too, right? We were doing our jobs.
>> Well, we certainly are. We we we got the first grant for this and we're interested in more things. >> Well, what's interesting is we really haven't taken a >> we haven't um put out new signage in a couple years. >> So, it might be a good first pass at
some new historical signage, especially given the occasion next year. It's something to lean into. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would like to I mean we we've have something up where the uh Fort Delansancy was which actually was the Bergen Neck Fort, but we don't have
anything at the Birken Point for I think identifying exactly where that was on the grid and stuff. Also, um there were there were some nasty things that happened in Bayon. I'll read something nasty that happened in Bayon. You want to hear that? Okay. Uh
Constable Hook. What happened on Constable Hook? Let's see where was it? Where is it? Paul side of revolutionary fort. Okay. Basically what happened was people got into problems and stuff. There was a
gentleman named Joseph Wong who was a Tory. He was killed here, but it was in the winter, so his body kind of rigor to set in and he was frozen stiff. But they decided, the American rebels decided that he would be a good um thing to use.
And they brought him around and put him they would put him at the front door of a Tories house and then bang on the door. And of course when the Tories opened it, this dead body would fall in. Um what happened was that was on the Tory side. On the rebels side, the
rebels had passes. They were allowed to take food over to Staten Island and to New York to to feed the British, you know, living living there during the occupation of New York and Staten Island. And they took a gentleman from
Sea Caucus um named Steven B. And to make up for for what happened to Mr. long they they took Steven uh B to uh Kub Hook and they hung him from a precimmery and left his dead body up there as a rebuttal to the Americans.
You know, you killed Long and we'll kill one for one. So, there were some interesting things happening here that most people don't know about. Uh maybe a Halloween program where we have lots of Steven Balls and Joseph Long's zombies and uh what else? Well, in terms of
educational um as um Jesse Woolen was saying, what about an reenactment of what had happened at that time, whether it be at the library or at Bayon High School, the drama club, um they produced
excellent plays there. So, that's something to be considered. >> Yeah, for sure. But I think what what we need is the upper level to decide and to drop down to another level where they pick you know some representative of each group and get everybody together. Somebody from the school system,
somebody from the library, somebody from the historical society, somebody from the land get us all together because they were all walking in different and coming up with totally different things. It usually doesn't work out well. It's usually better to know what somebody
else especially if we have two people doing the same thing. it becomes kind of ridiculous. So to get everybody together and to start with how much do we want to spend on this? Okay. Um and Dr. Ryan will be hearing this by reviewing the
tape of tonight's meeting and he can add that to the minutes and he can take that. I would assume he would want to take that as an item. >> Correct, David? >> Okay. Um this book is pretty good and this just came out. We have an older one, but this one actually has, you
know, like uh the houses that they believe were used as spying houses and everything. >> Can Can we look at getting those like maybe like No, I don't know how many copies we'd need, but like we we could we could get copies. Okay. So, I can contact the library and maybe we can get that circulating in the schools next
year. >> Yeah. Version you what you wanted. This is the first printing and with something this big. I mean, there are over 49 paintings in here. I really had what I had to do was I did we did 50 copies and I am already working I if you look at
this it's all pinned up it's all marked up because I'm doing a version two printing already. Um not not so much that there was anything wrong with the information but some of the photographs need to be lightened a little bit so they can be seen better. Some of the information there's a list of paintings that are missing. I want to go over that
one more time with the library to make sure that they're not in some storage closet that I overlooked. Um and The other thing is the nice thing about this is that um these paintings were all done by a man named Andrew Walsh. Andrew A. Walsh who died around 1949. The
paintings were given to the library and then they were really never shown after 1949. We only started showing them in 2022. And uh one of the things is that Mary Agnes Walsh's sister was a school teacher in Bayon. That should be good.
And she was a poet. So she she took 10 of the items that her brother painted and worked on, you know, illustrating, and she wrote poems about the Mars Canal, the Cadmas farm, the first schoolhouse, Brady's Hall, the beautiful homes along along Newark Bay, the Lretet
Hotel, sports, the dummy railroad, what was called Lovers Bridge, which was near the railroad, and the Blizzard of 1888. And so like I'm doing I'm in the new version it's going to have the page number so you could look up the poem and then find it find where it is inside the book. So you have illustrations, you
have poetry and the history. The beginning of it really is is essays. I wrote seven essays about the paintings that were revolutionary war material and you know like we had different different things. This painting wasn't signed
because it's it's a completed copy of an incomplete painting by um by uh one of the original artists from revolutionary day. And it was thought it was not by um Andrew Walsh because it seemed like it
was too high a style and too good and they thought he was more primitous. Well, what happened was the wall leaked. The backing paper on the back of the paint painting got wet. We had to take it off and there was a signature on the inside of the of the uh so we were able to prove he did this he did this in
1932. It didn't come in 1949. It already came in 1932 when he did it for the 200th anniversary of Washington's birthday. So we found, you know, a lot of information. Then we were suddenly taking paper off of every painting we could take off to find out is this
really, you know, the spy house, where were they spying on the British, etc. So while they are talking about Andrew Walsh paintings, you want to tell them about Blackjack Persing and how that was discovered. >> It's here. They have to get the book. You must You mustn't have me tell them
everything. They have to get the book. But uh Blackjack Persing was Oh, you mean what happened to the blackjack person? >> What happened to it? Right. >> Okay. What happened was it was hanging in the library when the fire of 1959 occurred. And after the fire the fire
kind of like whacked the roof. The roof roof was gone, you know, burnt. After that, it rained. So after the fire, the librarians found this beautiful painting of General Persing. He used to be holding a map of
the Battle of the Mand, but here now half the painting was white, completely white. When water hits oil, it turns white. It's called blooming. The restoers and
everybody calls it blooming. So I I I I sheepishly took this painting to a very famous art restoration person in Manhattan and I said, "Is there anything you could do with this?" Like what could you do? I mean the original map and it was literally a detailed map of the
Battle of Dear that uh Andrew Walsh was the map maker for for General Pion and he said to me, "It's bloom." He said, "All I have to do is this." And he just took some of the the white came off underneath was the painting. So the librarians were freaked out because I
brought back the painting and it was perfect. It was like the day it had, you know, last been seen complete and it's complete now. And it's kind of like to them it was like some kind of miracle like what voodoo did I do to get this to happen? But it was just the science knowing that put water on oil and that's
what you get. You get a white gloppy mix. Anyway, that's an interesting I I don't think I ever maybe I should insert that in the book. I don't know. Anyway, yeah, it is. It is. Uh, and we had another one, the Lerette Hotel had tar
right through. There was this line through it and everybody would say, "Why did he put that black line?" And it was the tar from the roof. When the roof fell down, it just popped onto the painting. And um, my whole childhood, I always knew that painting to have this black line in it. Now it doesn't anymore
because the magic of restoration. We did some paintings at the Firehouse Museum and they were so dark because what happens to varnish is as it ages, when it gets to 100 years old, it becomes so dark that you can't even see what you're
what the picture is of. And when that's varnish is removed, you're back to yellow and red and blue and all sorts of colors that you've never seen in the painting before. So that that's what's happened. Many of the paintings in the Renaissance paintings that have been
cleaned, people start to wonder like what they were used to looking at was so different from what they see after the cleaning that they kind of like don't know which to believe anymore. >> Anyway, >> yes. >> Attended it. Yeah.
Well, if you keep it the way it look, it's getting darker and darker. And so, yeah, I mean, we had paintings that were so black, there was no way you could tell what it was. >> And then when we un undid that, a new painting, it was like, what the
heck is that? We've never seen that before. And it was simply because it had been so covered, hidden uh by time and age. Okay. Uh, is there anything else that you guys
anyone is interested in? Anything that you found that you would like to get landmarked? Um, no. No. Okay. Any other business that anyone wants to bring up? >> Actually, there was one thing that I
didn't want to drop. I think it was from the June or May meeting. We mentioned um some of the Lape archaeological finds that they uncovered when they were digging up the light rail. >> Yeah. >> And I never followed up, but it we said that the >> there was a meeting
>> in Trenton. They have >> a museum. Yeah. There was a meeting. I think the problem was Commissioner Failing and Commissioner Hive may remember. I think I was absent for that meeting that we where it was presented by the museum folks to the historical
society. Do you recall that? I mean, it's more than a year ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But there is a museum and maybe we can um I can give you we can give you the contact person there and see if you
want to work something out. It might be useful to have an inventory of what they have. Um because there were different things. And it was strange because well maybe it's not so strange. I was going to say it seemed like they kept finding things where there were light rail or
Central Railroad New Jersey stations, but I guess the bottom line is that that's where digging would have would have taken place and that's where they would have found stuff. So, they kind of found them all along this the light rail today and which had been the central
railroad uh train bed originally. So, there is quite a bit of stuff. I there was a there was one piece that I was very interested in because it was a a necklace and I was like, "Oh, this would be great. We could sell one happy necklace and they were like, "No, no,
no, no, no, no, no. These are these are burial things. These are like holy burial items and you can't replicate them any like I wanted to have I let everybody have a lenapy necklace, but no, we we couldn't do that or we were
dissuaded from doing that. So >> yeah, if we have a contact person though, maybe I could reach out and if we're because if we're doing signage maybe for the 250, maybe we want to include some of the archaeological finds also near the light rail. >> Yeah, I I would what I would like to do
is take photographs of what they found and then bring them to Bayon so that we have a set of them. We could even use I wanted to use I wanted to get the library to get one of the 3D printers so that we could actually print out the 3D versions of what they have so we would
have a replicant basically and you could extend that to photographs of it being installed at the at the sites on the light rail. Put up a some kind of little kiosk at each light rail center that has the art the artwork the artwork that was found. I think that would be great.
Maybe what we should do is solicit ideas from the, you know, ask the historical society, ask the board of ed to come up with ideas that Joe Ryan can present to the councilman to see whether that sparks interest. We could do that. So everybody, I would
think put your thinking hats on and come with ideas for what you might like to see at the next u at the December meeting and we can ask Dr. trying to open a line of communication with the city for this.
Make sense? Okay. Now, does anybody want to go home? >> Well, you want to go home, Mr. Chairman. We have to uh tell you the next date of the meeting because there is no meeting schedule for no November because it's an election year.
>> So, the next meeting is on Monday, December 1st at 7 o'clock in the chambers. Monday, December 1st. Everyone. Okay. Do we hear anyone entertaining that we should adjourn? >> I make a motion we adjourn. >> I'll second it. >> All in favor?
>> I >> I >> take care, guys. I guess we won't see each other until after Thanksgiving. So, everyone here and out in studio land or whatever, have a nice Thanksgiving, please. Bye.