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e e e e since you just sat down right okay all right got the thumbs up like to call to order the July 1st 2024 meeting of the
Bayport city council let's all um stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all mat would you please call the role council member cson here council member Gilmore here council member D here council member Hill here mayor Hansen
here all right we have a motion to approve the agenda I move to approve the agenda as presented thank you I'll second sorry no you got it thanks Katie and Ethan all those in favor I anyone
opposed all right next is uh proclamations accommodations petitions and announcements the June recycling award recipients are Janessa and Scott waseleski at 6113 5th Avenue North sorry if I hacked up your name they'll be awarded for recycling efforts with a
grant from Washington County and then we move on to the open Forum this is a portion of the meeting to address the city council on subjects that are not part of the agenda um we actually do have someone here that is part of the agenda but I invited him so
I hope he's not confused the city council may take action to reply at the time of the statement or may give direction to staff regarding investigation of comments Express a total of 15 minutes is allotted for public comment during the open Forum um we already knew we were going to have
Mike Huntley from youth Service Bureau come so so do you want to step up first all right thanks well thank you good evening mayor council members and residents of Bayport thank you for inviting me to take a few
moments this evening to speak about youth Service Bureau we appreciate the city's support of our organization in fact that support is very necessary for our success and continued operations my name is Michael Huntley I'm the
executive director of Youth Service Bureau and I've been with the organization since 1989 I'm still here because I love what we do and the purpose that we fill in the community some of you might be familiar with our organization youth
Service Bureau and for others this might be some new information we are a 501c3 nonprofit organization that's been operating since 1977 and we have three offices one in Stillwater one in Woodbury and one down
in Cottage Grove and we provide a variety of early intervention and Prevention Services uh for kids and families in our area and we're the only organization in our area that works exclusively with kids and
families our services include diversion family counseling school-based chemical health supports Youth and Family education and a military family support program we have strong Partnerships with local schools
and with law enforcement the financial support we receive from the municipalities helps us keep our fees very affordable and allows us to have a generous sliding fee scale so that families can access services
with fewer barriers in 2023 we served 799 unduplicated Youth and that's a fancy way of saying we only count the youth one time in a whole year instead
of if they come in for multiple Services we don't count them again and again and we delivered uh just over 4,000 hours of direct service to those youth that number does not include the public speaking that we do and in 2023 we did
presentations to over 2200 attendees in your city of Bayport we know in 2023 we served at least 22 Youth and delivered 129 hours of direct service to those youth and
families 2023 had some challenges for ysb we're still impacted by the impact of the great resignation and at times we've been operating a little bit short staffed however we continue to produce impressive results in the quality of our
services remain solid and I'll go quick with these statistics I I'll try not to make it boring um in our diversion Services 90% of the kids who come through do not get reinol with law
enforcement for it a year or more after they complete services in our counseling programs 80% of parents say that the situation that brought them in for counseling in the first place was either resolved or made
manageable in follow-up contacts and 87% of the students who participate in our school-based chemical health supports report an increased resilience towards not using
chemicals so we're we're proud of those results we have other data but I told you guys I'd keep it brief uh we are asking in 2024 uh from the city of Bayport for $1,650 in
support and I understand there's a new process where a purchase of service contract is requested I have that I've submitted that and then for planning for next year we're asking for an additional
$50 so in 2025 we would be requesting $1,700 in support um um and that increas is due to Rising operational costs uh we appreciate your support and partnership and our website has a lot of
information if anyone's uh interested or looking it's Y sb.net and are there any questions I can respond to no thank you for your time and thank you
for doing that service contract I think that will help us remember to pay you okay mattt is there any other paperwork that we need nope I don't think okay so it is just for reference it is number five in our consent agenda so we have got that paperwork ready to approve very
point so okay if you do need anything else just let me know Matt Matt knows how to get a hold of me yeah I appreciate all that you do for our Our Youth and I mean just 22 just right here in Bayport was I was surprised that the number was that high so yeah well thank
you it's interesting too we ask we ask the kids like where do you live you know we try and keep track of that where families are coming from and if a parent's involved we'll ask but sometimes people use like a mailing address and they think that's the city
that they reside in soing you live in Oak Park Heights you might be still water and W would be still water exactly so um we think we have a pretty accurate count but it's at least 22 from we have our own ZIP code so we know the Bayport kids okay good good then the kids who we
work with in the school should give us the right information they should yes we hope all right well thank you very much thank you yeah all right we also I invited Matt thus is that how you pronounce your last name Matt I've not met you yet want to come on up and tell us why
you're here thank you yeah um Matt hon I'm uh uh volunteer with the Washington County Historical Society um and uh I uh I wanted to uh speak with you about uh the stat area history
sponse project um uh those of you may be familiar with the uh uh Stillwater area Community Foundation which every year has a great idea competition and last year I proposed the idea of what's called history spots which are uh signs uh located among the the communities
that the foundation serves where you can scan a QR code and learn about the history of the place where you're actually standing um and I think in your your packet in the consent agenda there are some examples and and questions about the or frequently asked questions about the project um so the the the
Community Foundation uh generously gave a grant uh to the Washington County Historical Society to make this project possible and we uh working with the Historical Society we went through a ton of locations uh from from Bayport up to marine trying to find locations that would have a lot of pedestrian
visibility uh as well as historic interest um and we came up with uh with uh a variety of them um and the three that we'd like to propose uh as signs that be placed on city of Bayport property or right of way uh would be uh
uh three uh three of them uh along here one of them is uh the in in the park uh Bayport Waterfront uh which people could scan and learn about the the Sawmills uh that used to be um in the park uh one of them would
the the school um somewhere in the in the right way near the school to learn the history of the school and the buildings that were there before uh and then the last one uh the Anderson Windows um uh either by the boat launcher somewhere um near the factory
where people would uh be walking by and and be able to learn about Anderson history um uh so uh with with your approval and the supportive staff we would uh we' uh love to leave these with you and and hopefully um have them installed or vort to be part of the
project yeah thank you um so this again this is uh number 12 on our consent agenda and Matt just happened to email today that the signs were ready and I said oh we're having our meeting maybe you can just come and deliver them and talk a little bit about it because there wasn't a lot of information I don't know if it was clear in the packet what we
were actually approving but it's to post these three signs and then there's also going to be sound like window clings that might be available yeah y we'd also Envision a window cling at the library and and we've been in touch with them directly about that as well yeah so the library will have one but instead of a
sign it's just going to be in their window and possibly the Bayport Printing House can say that one more time sorry the Bayport Printing House are they one that's one that uh we've been envisioning it's not there yet we hope maybe add some sumary could be a great one Poss so a really cool thing and I
think especially um in conjunction with the fact that we're doing our historical markers right now for the Centennial Pavilion that should be we're getting close we find we've been waiting on the legion and they got their information to our sign company so we're we're getting closer to having those so kind of a nice thing how long will the signs
be posted um as long as you want to keep them up we hope that you would keep them up uh through uh say November or so we envision this sort of a summer and fall project but they they should last for a while and the codes will keep working if the city would like to keep them up for
okay you know until they stop working until they stop until people start complaining that they're not working then we take them down all right well thank you so much for spearheading that whole project I think it's really great great idea yeah does anyone have any questions or anything for M no is there is it is this part of a wider um sort of
project happening in the valley Valley it seems like right yeah he's got other spots too we're just three of Still Water and I'm sorry could is it part of a a wider project that give so it's uh you know the variety of communities uh
uh Bayport uh St Marine Lake Elmo um afon isn't part of the same Grant but they've expressed some interest in this as well so we're really hoping to kind of have the whole valley be a part of it yeah it's really cool great idea thank you that's a good thing that's what the
Grant's called the great idea so that very clever all right thank you so much all right so does anyone else want to come up to the podium are you here to talk about something that's not on the agenda or yep big crowd here so this is an open
for I expected some interaction just you literally just came to watch cuz it's so exciting on the agenda it is and it's will we have a chance to take comment on whatever it is you are here about for we don't know what it is so we don't
know um I guess we'll we'll get there when we get there and we'll see and I'll be openminded to that well I don't have page numbers I don't have page numbers in my agenda I know how that works but okay um so now
we're on to the consent agenda then if there's no one else that wants to speak okay consider a resolution adopting items 1 through 16 the June 3D city council Workshop minutes the June 3rd regular meeting minutes the June payables and receipts June building
Plumbing mechanical and Zoning permits report service contract with you Service Bureau award the quote for the street light painting temporary liquor license for Knights of Columbus for the Anderson Corporation picnic at Lakeside Park on August 10th lease extension with st C
Preparatory Academy for the Nature Center purchase of replacement equipment for the police department sale of fire department tender apparatus appointment of Jennifer Davis to the library library board placement
of the featured history spots by the Stillwater area Community Foundation revisions to the city Personnel policy to comply with state law for election and earned sick and safe time leave hiring of Dustin perper as a full-time
police officer and parah declaration participation in Minnesota Council on local results inovation comprehensive performance measurement program uh execution of a quick claim
deed for CH Church of St Charles conveying the property adjacent to St Michael's Cemetery and fence encroachment agreement do we have a motion to approve all of that I'll make a motion approving the consent agenda thanks
meeting anyone want to second second thanks John roll call vote council member Carlson I council member Gilmore I council member d i council member Hill I mayor Hansen I
move on to public hearings there aren't any unfinished business is next consider amendments to the fire department standard operating guidelines and the Matt's going to present the item thank you madam mayor members of the council um this has uh obviously
been on the docet before um over the last several months now the city staff and City attorney have been reviewing and updated uh the standard oper and guidelines that uh outline the membership requirements of the um fire department along with the hiring
processes benefits and the general terms of the employment um the main objective of of those proposed amendments is to make sure that the content was consistent with current legal requirements and the city's Personnel policy um thereby
reducing liability um updates were provided um we've taken comments from the the fire committee and also the uh city council um and uh the fire committee was provided one last chance to review
comments um from a clean version um we did not receive any comments back from them um so the clean draft is located in your packet and staff is recommending that the city council adopt a motion amending
the standard operating guidelines as provided all right thanks Matt time for questions okay well we've been over this quite a few times I did go back and look at changes that I had and they were made very well so I don't have any more
comments or feedback on it myself and I was part of that committee as well so if anyone else has any they have to say otherwise we can take a motion I'm good
okay you want to make a motion sure I'll move to adopt the fire department standard operating guidelines as they've been presented to us I'll second it thank you John and Connie all those in favor I I anyone opposed they may all
right finally done thank you um new business consider an amendment to chapter 25 prohibited acts and penalties article 3 administrative citations and civil penalties of the Bayport city code of ordinances related to abatement and recovery of cost and
summary ordinance for publication Eric's GNA present mayor City Council Members the uh staff report itself um I'm not going to go through I'll give you a summary but I think I wanted to
give a little background and context as to what uh you know initiated this recommendation uh from the city attorney's office to uh this particular body as you may recall a couple of months ago this Council authorized a
code enforcement action against Mr David Kringle for basically a decade of essentially non-compliance in keeping what is very clearly uh historically year byye pretty much an unauthorized junkyard now that's the not a legal
phrase but I think that is a fairly accurate phrase as to what was out there on his property in order for the city to essentially engage in Code Enforcement the city had has two means of doing so it can go through the criminal prosecution process which the city did
in order to hopefully get Mr cringle to comply with a city code and actually uh make sure that his property is you know clean and not an outdoor storage area for inoperable Vehicles as well as unlicensed vehicles and so forth for a
long period of time the difficulty that the city has had and this Council has had is that particular individual how ever uh was not dissuaded or or actually um compelled to clean up his property because the threat of a criminal
prosecution and he was prosecuted and therefore even having that conviction was not a sufficient U motivation for him nor even a criminal fine and the Crim and and the courts frankly are dealing with other criminals that are better put in jail rather than a
resident so in those rarest of casions and unfortunately we have the rarest of casion uh cities then have to look at the uh civil code enforcement action why civil because through the Civil courts
that judge when that particular action has a civil code compliance brought before them has the ability to order and allow the city to go on private property and self-correct and it was a couple of months ago that this um particular
Council um did authorize a civil action our litigation team and I'm a municipal civil attorney that deals with General civil matters uh transactional matters and real estate matters
therefore you take the experts in this particular area within our firm and that's our litigation team our litigation team has everything queued up as they looked at uh all the legal research and and uh what the courts have done
uh found that certainly as a matter of law the city is in very good standing already been found guilty so we're really looking at now the court order to enter onto the property and get
into code of compliance but our litigation team uh recommended to myself and then the city that we revisit our code to make it very clear that the city has the ability now when it encourage these costs to assess those costs
against Mr Kringle and in those rare circumstances in the future and hopefully it never happens again but if it does then have the ability to essentially get those costs also recouped by assessing against the property um and
suggested that the code make it very very clear that in those instances where the city is having to go to dist court and get a court order to enter onto the property and get it cleaned up
that our code also makes it clear that the city is expecting to get its costs returned back to it and that and and very clearly authorized and expressed to the courts as guidance that that is one of the reliefs that the city
is expecting as well that way the public dollars for a single individual who has been repeatedly through many years non-compliant so forth is not having to Bear the burdens of that but indeed that
property owner who could have self-corrected himself or herself or themselves and so forth for many years and so forth they're the ones that are bearing those costs and those burdens also wanted to make it clear that if the city needs to essentially go
to district court and initiate that action and the court therefore provides other man matters and avenues of relief that the city having to gone through such extraordinary actions to bring a civil action still should be
able to at least ask the court to recover whatever expenses it has occurred at that time that's the premise that's the goal what you have here is now that goal that objective to still down into code
language and that is the basis for the recommendation here is that when the city undertakes those rarest of actions to go against a resident and actually go into the property is
self-correct it's telling the court please provide us us the city of Bayport all the relief possible and also the public get its money back for having to go through such extraordinary efforts all it's doing is providing a
basis to make those requests and at the end of the day as with all things the judge will grant deny or somewhere in between thank you thank you Eric so um thanks for that very thorough
background we've all heard it we all know what was going on but I'm sure a lot of these people didn't and is that why we're here okay mayor mayor and council members if I could just add one point I I want to make clear that that background
wasn't in the report because this is now something that will apply from here on after you know regardless of whatever happens to Mr cringle right right um so I I that was
purposeful um it wasn't meant to mislead and I also did not want to make it personal to that individual so that that was the tension that I was engaged in right it wouldn't make sense to give that background in the packet itself because this is it's it's an ordinance
that going to go on for the future not just because of all of that so though that was what spurred it um does anyone have any comments on the council that they'd like to share staff anything you want to say
okay um I'm open to hearing what people are worried about if I can do that that I guess it's my meeting I can ask them to come up if I want may you have that privilege okay um if you would like to come up though you need to state your
name and your address and we'll give you each just you know please keep it short because we don't all there's a lot of you here and if you're repeating what someone else has said just make it quick and just say I agree with them or whatever let's not be here all night that would be great um
so yeah all right who wants to come up first Sarah hi I saw the cute graduation signs on my walk yesterday our little graduated I'm Sarah jerson 317 Lake Street South in my lifelong quest to
volunteer I volunteered to speak for um well that'll make it easy a few dozen um community members that have concerns about the language that was used to draft this and how it doesn't just impact one many of us so um I have the letter that I can you guys and I'll read
it you bear with me I'm going to try to make it like Speedy but also less shaky than I feel right now oh don't be shaky it's just us okay thank you thank you thank you very
much did they just get emailed today or what I don't think I got emailed I never saw anything it's a three- pager buckle up all right Dear honorable mayor and City Council Members we write to you in connection with an ordinance which has been proposed for adoption by you
tonight but it's important to note that our concerns are not limited simply to that ordinance instead it raises questions and confirms a growing belief that there is a disconnect between our city some of its citizens and small business owners in connection with
communication and handling of such issues first please observe the text of the ordinance specifically what it purports to do among other things is to make taxpayer property owner or residents personally liable to the city
for all fees administrative fees legal fees court costs encouraged in connection with the city's code enforcement remediation and or restoration of the affective property second it provides that the city is authorized to enter upon the effective
property and hire a contractor to Abate the violations and that it may conduct an abatement by whatever means and cost determined setting aside for a moment the Draconian terms of this ordinance we know that it apparently first emerged
with the city around June 20th few days later on Thursday June 27th it was included in the agenda packet and thus first made public and thereafter the city's offices are closed on Friday this confirms some serious
concerns we have about promulgate on Thursday vacate on Friday and act on Monday approach to regulatory government regardless of this year's impact it has on us residents these should otherwise be discussed comprehensively with business owners and residents in our
city not rammed through but turning to the substance of this Draconian punitive regulation we offer the following observations the adoption of this ordinance cannot be justified on any claimed grounds that there is a plague of homeowner or business property
violations in the city perhaps you will agree with us by and large people in Bayport take good care of their buildings and property and are responsible and reasonable to the city requests at the same time the number of violations that are claimed to exist are probably reduced yet further in cases
where a property owner has a legitimate and goodfaith question a quarrel or disagreement with the city whether a violation exists the property owner and any property owner should not face the punitive and enormous enormously costly burden of paying the city's attorney
fees and whatever cost it claims to incur simply because a violation is claimed or a violation is confirmed or because they have good faith disagreement with the city about it this ordinance in in large is in large part intended to be or will be a deterrent to
any potential challenge or disagreement and to provide a quick pipeline to fees reimbursement this is not a relationship that the city should foster or endorse between its regulatory team and its residents and business owners this threatens blon similarly this ordinance
cannot be justified on General claims that other cities have them some do some don't but Bay port's relationship with its property owners and B business owners firstly is not defined but by what is vaguely claimed about other cities I might have just lost myself
about other C second not all cities adopt such an approach and instead many of them favor Community engagement discussion education and requests at informal cooperation and leave enforcement methods to General city ordinance and state statutes in that regard all of the
all of those provide a host of available remedies to a city confronted with a true violation indeed though a property owner in the city may have a dispute in good faith over whether a violation exists many people recognize that those formal enforcement tools only occur
after confirmation of violation and repeated refusal to cor correct in accordance with say for example a court order in other words the city has been and is amply protected by existing regulations statutes and remedies to radicate violations Instead This
approach is apparently in our view reflective of an intent to not only create Financial burdens for those who do not violate it and also risk of massive Financial cost for those who may or may not violate but are just accused of doing so it will squelch and
jeopardize open free and ongoing communication again there is no shortage of statutes and Regulatory tools that allow you to make Corrections usually with court sanction in the first place repeated violations after court order is one thing but what is written now is
something different it is telling that the 11-day old memorandum which prefers the Draconian regulation to the city council does not contain any showing that our city is indeed plagued with numerous continual violators that is occurred out of pocket or out of the
pocket ordinary fees in securing correction of those cases finally a question would you have it for yourself in other words would you want the city to be in Peril of paying attorney fees in a case that a dispute over a regulation scope and application is resolved against the city for these and
other reasons we invite the city council to take a pause on this suggested Oran ordinance and to give consideration to our concerns and the means and methods by which the city works with communicates with and ultimately coordinates with residents and business
owners on their property uses and needs not all of us are large commercial industrial property owners in the city of B Bayport we' ask that you'd recognize that should no longer serve as a quiet basis for disregarding our concerns on this and other matters and
are happy to work with the council to bring about change here based on open communication Mutual goal setting and cooperation we view the future handling of this measure of whether responsiveness exists please decline or table this matter indefinitely and let
us work together for something different and this has some signatures that I'll give to you guys thank you for listening to me drone on no thanks for reading it Sarah so we didn't all have to read it in silence and everyone wonder what we're reading thank
you okay um I guess I I'm a little stunned that this is being made into such a big deal but maybe I'm missing something what am I missing Eric that is of concern that
we're not that we didn't pick up on so um are are people okay um I guess she wasn't speaking for everybody I I don't want to be stepping away of any Resident yeah I'm sorry I thought she was she was just speaking for some people so there are more people
listen but I'm just kind of feeding off your so Jeff Oswald 466 pero Creek Drive okay uh so actually this was just brought to my attention tonight and I'll be brass tax with you I own a construction company I own a lot of personal property uh trailers come and
go I mean I've I've been asked by the city to move certain things and do certain things and I've tried my best to try to make everybody happy um I know my situation is a little different but that's why I bought empty land behind me is to have somewhere to put the things
uh some of us in life have campers boats you name it we do outside activities uh let's be honest we don't live on top of the hill no offense to those people but I can't fit my 45ft camper or my driveway um so I guess uh one of the
questions I got is is this new proposal passed is that for people that are breaking every ordinance on potentially a trailer laying in the property or a boat parked down the street yeah I don't you you must not
have been following the other case it it had gone on for years and it is literally a junkyard it's it's it's very extreme and and we were very patient and I think our city always has been very patient with people with ordinance violations so I guess my question is uh
when Matt comes knocking on my door or the chief of police asked me to move a camper that's in the front yard because I'm doing service work on it and I'm not going to comply I'll be a brass tax then is there going to be a fee associated with not complying and no the fees would
be if we my understanding is that so we took as you heard we took that other resident to court um he lost didn't do anything as a result of it we had to take him to a different kind of court to make that happen instead so a lot of we
as tax payers all paying for him not complying and so this is to help cover so that we aren't all paying for someone like that where where we're racking up thousands of dollars in in legal fees it's not we're not going to come because you are having one violation and you're
saying but wait I need to finish fixing my camper we're pretty open I feel we're accomodating City this this is this for those extreme cases correctly if you know we're talking but if you went out there he he
doesn't just have boat or trailer he's got it's literally a junkyard it's a junkyard it's got we had a picture and I didn't realize it was as bad I've gone by it a few times and then when they got a shot of actually there's semi-trailers there's
broken down tractors there's broken down snowmobile I mean these aren't things that he's repairing when we talk to him his reasoning for not help cleaning it up 10 years ago or whatever or at least starting was well the one thing was well
it came in handy for last year's flood well there was nothing in that property that he would have used to help with a flood I mean I'm I'm with you I mean I have cars and and uh my sons have things I don't
want people knocking on the door and saying you have to move this this was literally for his neighbors I felt bad that they had to drive by it every day and I think he thought a lot of it was hidden because he had some Shrubbery but pretty soon it was coming out of the
Shrubbery and not no longer hidden can we stay to the original thing well yeah but you have they should have a background and understand that this isn't Excuse excuse me excuse me excuse me you can come to the podium
but I I was trying to explain that it has not been just we are going to go pick on because the a neighbor has a camper or an extra boat or two things out in their yard this is compiled of years and years and he's been approached
many many many years I appreciate your frustration with it okay however and I've been pretty excuse my name is Paula on 4 443 Main Street what's your last name again I'm Sor a h n b a h thank you I used to
be brown before I got married I must have been out to lunch that's or in love maybe both but anyway list this is what I have a challenge about this is this is an ordinance for all it's not just for this case I understand your concern you need to make
that clear and you need to say something I believe this my feeling is that you need to say step one when you do this this is what we're going to do step two when you do this if you don't comply this is what we're going to do we we have all of that already but then then but I also I have a
question I I have to pay liability uh fees if someone sues me and do does not the city have liability insurance to deal with court am I wrong as is that isn't that a
Val question that that's two things your your liabilities Insurance uh protects you if you're sued your liability insurance is not going to fund you suing someone well no not necessarily right so
u in in some cases it's not and the other thing I have to say is this is one question I have I feel pretty confident in my answer but okay what but okay but some people it goes either way and I know you all know that but that's fine uh one of the things that I what I'm
wondering about is it is again the process I hear that a lot when I was talking to neighbors and stuff it's the process of doing something like this if this is such a major change it everybody should have gotten one of these in their box not just posted on a on the back
page of a of a a meeting because this is a big deal and some people do feel like okay I I I realize that you know I mean not it makes people paranoid it makes them feel like the city is out to get them it's not okay we don't want to have
a city like that we don't want to live like that yeah we don't want to we're not we're not a city like that so and just remember in order to have these judge we like somebody called and complained so some we're not driving around Matt's not driving around looking
for some with his camper neighbor and then mayor council members yeah may I suggest uh change the language a little bit because sure I've been hearing the residents I okay tried to as
your City attorney listen and I can see as both of the residents have uh indicated that when they read that language in the context that brought it that all of a sudden it can be this
overall overly broad General katel yeah and um I feel very confident that that is not at all the intent I feel very confident that it is
as the residents have indicated um really the context of the extraordinary the rarest of circumstances where all other avenues have been exhausted mhm and and
yet under the extraordinary rarest of circumstance um a civil district court actually needs to be taken and yet I agree with all of you there's not any language in here that talks about a civil district court action yeah
just and um and in retrospect I wish I put that language in we could have avoided a lot Eric yeah well it's made for well so um with that
um 25-15 that is entitled abatement and recovery of costs has four subdivisions one a is really just talking about the fact that a person has violated and despite many
requests and so forth has failed um C is where we're talking about the city and its fees and administrative fees and legal fees and trying to get that back and then d is if the court order should Grant uh fees in the city's
ability to then uh assess so I wanted to kind of give you that kind of summary it's b b is and I'll read to you the existing language then I'll read to you what I propose as
that very uh necessary District Court action provision okay right now and it's just that first sentence the first sentence of 25-15 B States
currently if an abatement of a of a violation or restoration of effective property is required comma in addition to abatement comma the city May seek and Order specific performance
comma injunctive relief comma and any other eable relief to the fullest extent permitted by law to ensure compliance with baby Port City coat now it looks like when you read that the city has that legal Authority
well the city doesn't only a a judge can allow the city to enter onto private property I know that but cach should very clearly communicate to the
residents and so even the best scrier and I think I'm a pretty good scrier sometimes messes up a little bit okay let's hopefully change that up so I will now State the language that
I believe should be there if an abatement of a violation or restoration of affected property is required comma in addition to abatement comma the city counil May authorize a civil district
court action seeking an specific performance injuncted relief so you see what it's doing is it's making it clear city council has to authorize this once that's done then
what now the code is saying to the court as I stated you know the context for this and so forth your honor we've had to go through these extraordinary efforts pursuant to our code we also want not only the ability
to get this property cleaned up but also the city's costs and then the judge can decide whether that's correct or not in full in part or somewhere in between yeah so again what I'm striking
is May seek and Order and I'm replacing it with Council authorizes a civil district court action seeking specific performance I like that would be my
proposed amendment and uh hopefully if I've heard correctly it meets everyone's concerns um if not I guess we can continue to listen Okay I I like the attempt let's see what the feedback is
hi hi Nathan jerson long time no see uh 317 Lake Street uh I've been up here we've talked about boat houses and whatnot um I'm going to come back to what you said and I appreciate you making the changes we'd love to to see
those changes before you guys enacted it hopefully um just to you know have a chance to to look that over perhaps that could be an opportunity to to bump this to the next one um one of the my one of my concerns is going to be the legal
fees that go with the district uh taking someone to District Court um are you going to at what point does the person end up paying for that um and I want to just um I'm going to just read here so I don't get too off topic which I can do sometimes
um my interactions with the city staff I'm hold on start upop here um it have been very uh tough I would say tumultuous uh very knowledgeable about the law uh the staff often come across for me uh
cold slow to respond and overly complicated um I trust the council uh you guys have been logical in your decisions and so I appreciate that but the staff and I feel like the legal team uh seem to create a lot of unnecessary
complexities when we're trying to get things done uh and this is hindering our the property owners and I just want to use an example here because what we're talking about these fees and last year when I requested the variance on our house uh I was told I had to give up my
boat house and a 70-year-old fixture uh predating all the current laws uh these are we're not talking about RVs right we're talking about 7-year-old structure and I personally spent uh $10,000 on legal fees to fight to keep
that boat house and and the city spent over $12,000 trying to take it away from me and the City lawyer later Eric here um admitted that the entire argument was pretty much moot right thin
soup um and uh it was a waste of legal dollars and time I think for both of us despite uh all of this I was charged those $122,000 in fees and I paid those um and this was without any prior
mention of exceeding the $1,500 limit um and I stood before you guys and asked to I'm sorry I was so frustrated by this that makes me a little shaky um I was just frustrated because you guys put that on my back and I've been
since I've since learned that um I'm one of the first Community people to have to incur that expense um no one that I've talked to has heard of that before um and I've paid that City staff should support and care for their people they
serve and help us navigate regulations um through common sense and empathy and I'm not getting that from you guys are great I feel like the city staff um I feel like you guys are having a
hard time with the city because you're not you're not showing empathy in your conversations I'm sorry that I'm getting all shaky um I'm just going to power through trust between the city and its residents is essential uh proposed
ordinances like the one we're discussing tonight um like a move towards more control and less cooperation and that's what I've seen here we need a city that trusts its people and a staff that works with us
not against us and I urge the council you guys to consider the impact of this ordinance and to work towards is fostering open communication Mutual goals and cooperation um and I'd like to build a city that I I love the city and these
are my neighbors and I I find them to be uh charming and um and I'm very I've grown very fond of this community uh but I want to build a city where residents feel supported and not burdened and I feel like that's what we're getting here so I appreciate the
language change I really do um I just want to make sure that we're not adding extra insult to injury here um with those fees so thank you Nathan um I I just want to say I think that I
mean there's obviously a lot of history here there's a lot of history with the jerson there's a lot of history with Mr Kangle we all have stories we're all coming at this from our own personal experiences right and the way we're interpreting this is reflective of that
and so you guys are coming here as though we're the enemy which oh my gosh that hurts I mean Jeff really bad actually Nathan's getting choked up I mean that that is we all are we all are but I'm just saying someone
coming here to say that like we're the enemy is that that's that's just hurtful but again we all have different stories it may not be you it com AC exactly and I and I'm so glad you mentioned I'm so glad you came and and
talked about that that that's important but but saying that we're the enemy is is like us showing up here and saying how can we screw the citizens of over that none of us want to do that we're we're welcome we're glad you came with your concerns I wouldn't have wanted to
pass this if you guys had concerns about it I mean I knew where it was coming from so to me I didn't see any of that in it and you guys saw it because I came at it from a totally different just like I mean everyone probably up here read it and didn't see it as a bad thing because
we knew what we had dealt with with that other property so none of us are here to make anyone feel afraid of government or mad at government we I mean that's not what we're about I know I know you guys I think most of us
get on or up here because we wanted to make a difference yeah we want to solve problem we want to help people problem exactly and so the fact that you view us that way problem yeah very very Discerning do we know where we're at
just just we talked about the situation with Mr Kangle in terms of legal fees and where we would be at for remediation at one time I thought I read in something that we're into the tune or we could be into the tune of like $30,000 and I'm not interested as a
resident of Bayport in in putting that on me us and you guys is here may mayor council members uh we have the pleadings all set but we did not want to initiate action until this
code uh was enacted so that we would be able to incorporate The Code by reference in support of the civil action um what the fees would
be as if is could be a wide range and 30,000 is really probably a worst case scenario and that might even been the phrase that I put in there just to make it clear but I also did not want to have a situation where the worst case
scenario occurred and this body was surprised right um so you know hopefully the petion and the fact that Mr Pringle has been found guilty has failed to clean up
even though has been found guilty would expedite a court order fairly quickly and as a result the primary fees the bigger fees would not hopefully be legal but would actually be hiring a contractor to go out there and
dispose of of that property and initially uh assess whether there are any hazardous substances and other things as well we won't be able to get onto that property to do even that type of assessment till
we get a court order um again um want to emphasize that even the City attorney I probably even should have put they even I and my firm are here to try to
serve you and this Council and do so not with coldhearted legal analysis but also with [Music] a warm embracing heart um reasonable Minds can disagree
reasonable Minds can disagree about what is common sense but hopefully it's done with Civility and with warmth thanks Eric so it sounds like we do have to make some edits to this to make it not
as scary for we've had 10 years I think we can uh not not to step on your toes yours but but but a uh a motion to table this for a month for further review and consideration I can see as very
appropriate the only downside um maybe it's not for you and so forth but I'll will be in Chicago so um so someone else will be here in my stad okay can I say one thing yes go ahead I do appreciate where you're all coming
from it's a big job it's mostly volunteer you're doing the very best you can I think when something becomes an umbrella policy from one person's issues us being assessed 12,000 in fees for trying to improve something that was
hard and we're like wait we're trying to make something better we've been here two years and we haven't been a problem we're trying to make something better so those are the things when you do an umbrella on one person that affect many so I appreciate your willingness I know you work hard I know that you guys
you're not the enemy I don't want you to feel that way but we're trying to better understand and create better communication policies and procedures so that people don't misunderstand and it gives us the opportunity to be here and to talk through and to get better so I know that was really hard on you and I
could see that um I don't think that's everyone's intent it is just to get more clarity thank you Sarah and it is unfortunate that you guys went through what you did with the fees and the it was obvious
miscommunication and confusion and a lot of we've had a long like you said it's been a while since we've seen you but we were seeing you quite a bit for a while so yeah and I'm sorry that that all came out the way it did but hopefully we are
all coming out of this better and we do better in the future so um anyone else like to speak about this or or are we good with all right come on up Brad i' like oh Brad was first if that's okay
okay ladies first have to move this um Andrea wles I live at 333 Lake Street South um just um 74 years ago my grandpa and my great
grandpa bought the point that I live on he was a wonderful Steward of the river the park served on the city council and I he taught me that I want
to continue that and I feel like I'm fighting against and I don't like it what's it thank you oh now I know what I Wasing and was a
bar my grandma was the lunch lady yep Brad Smith 220 First Avenue South I again just want to reiterate it seems like you're creating a very big umbrella to open it up to do something
on anyone's property if there's an issue versus you you're you're trying to correct one problem you've had for 10 years I sure would think you'd have enough uh tools in the ordinance you have to take them to civil court or or Sue we've done that already two
different we've done the court process that's just he's lost both times so but when they lose you can do something about them well yeah that's what we're hoping right I mean at some the judge tells us
what we can do you can do something against it um mayor council member I I want to make clear that what the city did was bring a criminal misdemeanor charge
and the and repeatedly brought Mr cringle before the judge M cringle was found guilty you know has a criminal record yeah but the court was not going to put him into jail and even if it put him
into jail that's not going to correct the problem on his property it's the rarest of circumstances but Bayport is not alone that when you have an outlier like that
you've exhausted what you can do criminally that is very very rare but it does happen and happened here so then the only thing that a district court that a council can do the city can do is
to authorize a civil action civil action however um you already have a set amount that you're paying for a prosecutor prosecution is actually fairly you know cut and dry and so forth civil action is more involved takes a little more time
or may take a little more time and that's what this body authorized when you talked about does our code does the Bayport city code already have sufficient basis to go forward yes does the code have some
weakness as far as the ability to collect its costs if it's successful no that's what we're trying to essentially patch up so if you took them civil court and one we're not going
to get our attorney fees and costs and we may not get our costs whatsoever not at all correct that's what we're trying to fix period you can't sue him for the civil attorney fees you can always ask i t but you're
not going to get it based upon our litigation teams review because right now what you have in your Bayport city code makes it clear that assessment is based upon 429 so what's 429 429 is Minnesota statute chapter 429 assessment for your
Public Works your road upgrades and so forth so we needed to make sure that that assessment power was broader when we're dealing with these extraordinary circumstances it still seems like
everybody's getting Loop lumped into this because of one thing and and and it really gives you the opportunity to go after BR if you did what he did and we took you to court and you refused to make any changes and you never cleaned up your yard or whatever we would be going through the same process with you
but most people are not going to do that most people are not him and he was really a problem and I'm sorry we had to write something to solve this problem but I don't know I mean if you guys if you all want to pitch in and pay for it
to us to go remediate his his junk I mean it's like I feel like that's what we're trying to avoid I think what I'm hearing is basic Ally let's make sure that the the wording is narrow specific enough uh I think I've done that but
we'll certainly revisit it because um I'm hearing from the council I know for myself I don't want these concerns to be founded I want these concerns in the language of the code to be unfounded but I also want to make sure that I am
protecting the public monies your monies which I'm sure sometime you'll probably come after me for something I have I have 11 properties well we hope not I'm going to be a Target we hope not you would you would respond I would think only if you're found guilty and
for 10 years period of time is say don't do anythings take me to Criminal Court I won't have to do anything anyway so well than I I suppose that's a lesson learned maybe it's not the best lesson but I I don't think it's the
lesson most people would want to follow through that process we we had similar group of people in here that were neighbors of Mr crangle that were basically begging us to please do something put up with this for 10 years and it's they were at their wit's end
and um I'm I'm pretty comfortable moving forward with this and making tightening things up and um you know we have to table this to uh make some tweaks with the language great but I I'm interested
in Protec my money and my neighbor money and not have to be on the hook for an inordinate amount of time spent by our staff and another thing I do want to say um I just want to stick up for our staff
and I think they do a hell of a good job um I've remodeled a house in town I I've had three different houses now going on four in Bayport and I've had nothing but great communication and experiences
prior to me being not Council and so I just want to add that thanks John that's good point they they they know their jobs very well and I know sometimes it does come across as cold or maybe I mean because they are Ru following the rules
and that is their job to do that we have a small staff and they pump out a lot of work they do a lot yes so sorry if it isn't always what you're expecting from them but they are doing their jobs very well
so um we have one more comment like question um what makes you think that he's going to pay this he well because we can assess right we can yeah I I it would be pure speculation as to whether he would or
not but let's presume he doesn't um then you had the ability to assess against the property that mean what that means is now it would be part of real estate taxes and there be an assessment line
and and of course the county is the one that uh collects you know the property taxes so all cities then are really at the the sufferance of the county taking you know collection actions and generally counties usually wait a couple
years until someone's really into default and so forth but that's that's all you can do um is wait until the person pays their property taxes yeah and there's no saying he's not going to fill it up with junk again either that's what I'm wor yeah that's what I'm saying I mean if we're making a
law just for him and yet it's an umbrella has umbrella consequences I don't even know why we're doing that it's not just for the ordinance is already there it's for us to collect the money back and what I think he when he rewrites it it would
still going to have to come before a council and I can't guarantee what future councilors are going to do I can't guarantee how any of these people are going to vote but for me it would take an extreme a 10 12 year like this person is it's not just oh you left a boat for years no I understand that but
I'm just saying that if this guy has a history of not following the rules anyway MH I I can't see $330,000 fine that's going to make him pay that either I'm just you know it kind of reminds me of Slum Lords at in Minneapolis when they have these things against them but
eventually the city says we're taking your property do you have any anything like that well you want it to get even worse now you want us to add and we're going to take your property that's not going to go over very well no but for him I'm saying I mean if if he doesn't
pay us 30,000 you still don't have anything excuse me but it sounds like you're speaking out like like saying but for him we can do that but we're writing something now that you're saying is for him but it's not it's for these really bad cases that are going to come up and
I'm sorry Ethan go ahead I mean I haven't been on the council long enough but I'm and I don't know how long you've been the attorney but has there ever been a case that you would ever pursue this far except for this one thing and if we're just trying to get the money back so we don't all have to pay it we all live in Bayport and it's going to
get paid by somebody and if it's not him then it's going to be all of us and again you're going to write it in a way that it's going to come to us first before it ever even gets to that point to where we're going to civil court and criminal court and all that stuff so I
don't know mayor council members uh eor Lamers has been representing municipalities for 75 years um I've been a public lawyer for 23 um but I joined the firm the eberg
glamour firm a year and a half ago um but I do have uh the pleasure of having other attorneys to consult with as well as you know almost 75 years of record there um is Bayport in this one instance
a oneoff no um this is an issue that has arisen in various iterations in many of the Cities but when I've used the adjective extraordinary rarest not just rare not
just rarer but the superet rarest that is an opinion that is based on our firm's experience and you're right um it's the council that would have to authorize The
District Court action as this council did in this instance based upon its history thank you did you assess legal without vot or I mean you're just assessed without notice I'm I'm not
going to get into your situation here we can do that later um at the direction of the council Chris Henning 4737 um I like what you guys are saying I think you're trying and you guys are frustrated about
what you're perceiving you have to realize everybody here there is a trust issue and that is why something has happened that has created that so it's a two-way street yes you guys are helping and you guys are listening but there is
something that happen that caused why we're questioning where is this going to go because this is one incident that happened and you want to change rules well what how do we know it's going to be just that because everybody has had something happen that
is questioning why thanks CHR okay last chance for anyone to speak Colleen wants to I can tell um I am I'm not here for or against
either side I feel like it sides I feel like that's what it is us being residents versus you guys but I mean that's probably what you sense um I agree I am a big believer in
communication and I feel like it's a problem I feel like stuff is comes out oh and we're changing the meeting or we're moving it to this to a 5:00 time versus a seven time I feel like there's
just a lot of that and it seems shady sometimes um which I mean I call Sarah and say what's going on but not everybody does that or even knows to do that or say if they hear something going
on that they've never been aware of they don't even know I guess what to do so I think communication needs to change and not that everybody here can ever say in ordinances because if people really want to make a
difference they should be on the city council which I mean a lot of times it's not full or you're looking you know somebody leaves and you're looking for good people I mean that's a way people can get involved um I I do appreciate that there is rules
that we can't just build everything everybody says this is what I want to do I mean from just a construction person I feel like sometimes you should say this is kind of what we have in mind does this fit is this going to be
approved and get the reasons why before we say this is like our great big plan I think it's going to be okay p and then it's not and everybody's mad which when we built our house we had issues and I was calling Sarah again and whatever it
didn't we didn't we weren't able to do what we wanted to do and we didn't and we're fine um but um with rules I do appreciate them
because I I don't want maybe something that someone thinks is great next to my house or I don't want people's stuff all outside their house next to my house cars and junk and whatever so I do appreciate that and
there should be rules even I know people say it's their property but you want your City to look good too and it's I mean that's every resident's thing but some people may not take what
you think is okay as okay so I know it's a hard job I wouldn't want to do it so in any case um then to the ordinance I I feel like changing it
um with your wording as good the whole thing is we keep on talking about this guy but we're putting this blanket thing out there I mean why is there is there notes in there to say like a time frame like very specific you're saying well
it's we're not just going to go to your house well how do we know that you're not say you're saying extraordinary circumstances what does that mean does that mean it's been a year does that mean it's been we've told you three times and that's it do you know what I mean because then it's up in the air and you guys can do whatever you want and
say well we told you once and we're getting tons of complaints from the neighbors and we're sick of getting it and we're going to we're going to find you we're going to do this you're going to get charged no I'm just I'm just saying that is for instance versus
is it's it's seeming like a blanket thing like is there what does extraordinary circumstances mean thank you Colleen okay yeah okay and thank you for serving on the Planning Commission you said you don't want this job but you're you're want that job no I'll take
this job because it's a precursor you guys have I'll my input I would like to have I don't know if someone can explain the process that you go through before you get to taking someone to court is
that something from the chief wants to talk about or I don't know do you want do you want to talk about it Chief I'm sorry would you mind just to answer that last question we're just having a big conversation here aren't we yeah it seems um so how it generally works is
that we will receive a complaint in this case several over the years and we always try and work with the homeowners that's number one because how it happens is if I say get a complaint and we issue a citation because the homeowner doesn't try and fix the
problem well then it's now tied up in court and during covid things pushed way down everything got really slow in the court process so we almost don't get to make any progress for a year Well it w makes its way through Court often times
it gets to court and then the prosecutor will tell the person hey you cleaned it up we're good we'll dismiss the charges and we all move on but it's a slowing down of that process and the last thing we want to do is issue a citation we will go to the homeowner we will have
the conversations with them often times multiple conversations we send them letters uh but most of the time we will go out and meet with the person and tell them here's the issue and 99% of the time people will work with us sometimes we'll give extensions or we'll take into account
hardships um you know I had a gentleman in town that had a roof that was falling down and siding that was de K and I worked with that guy because obviously that's a huge project a huge expense and I worked with him for a long period of time and we finally got it all replaced
and it worked out great and I still have a good relationship with that person MH so this is one of those extreme circumstances we try and avoid getting to the citation part of it but sometimes we got to go to that extreme example and often times it's just somebody just not
willing to work with us citation gets is issued then it gets on the court calendar the prosecutors will work with that person and sometimes it doesn't or sometimes they just pay a fine well if they pay the fine sometimes it's just done and now we technically we have to
go back and issue another citation now that almost never happens but that can be the process um but in this case it's gone on it's such an extreme circumstance that we've exhausted that period you know part of the original guilty plea that was
entered came with an adjudication which was an agreement with the prosecutor and the judge with Mr Kringle that he had an additional year with specific set deadlines within that year that he was supposed to meet these things so one of the things was making sure all vehicles
were registered and operable um and it set out like four different time periods where he was supposed to meet that well when those things were not met we brought Mr Kringle back into court after doing an inspection of his property that he agreed to as part of this and every time he had to go back to court on it
and then we finally reached the end of it because this was built into his probation for that adjudication so when his probation ended it ended any potential violation we could push on him and then we have no choice but in this
case to go a civil route to rectify the situation but before any of that the court proceedings happened there was many many many conversations with him correct and that I don't even know that we could count and I will tell you that
when how many times you guys I took over a lot of the ordinance stuff when I got promoted to Sergeant in 2015 but even prior to that I'm not aware of at any point in my 24 years here that we've ever come close to anything like this I could be wrong obviously to the scope of
this but I don't remember anything like so I mean and maybe we as a council need to just rethink it do we want to put this burden on the taxpayers instead of Mr kingle I don't feel like we should I feel like we want to have this
reassurance that we will get reimbursed when we go pay to take all of the stuff away um but I don't know how you guys are feeling about that maybe we need to rethink this whole thing well I don't think it's
necessarily the issue of King I think the people are more concerned about this blanket that's what I mean reing this thing because we're doing it to ensure that we can get reimbursement from that one case and any potential future case that could be crangle again just bear
that in mind we don't know that he's going to actually not just keep filling that place up and we're going to keep going through this right so how much do we want to put that burden on the taxpayers versus him I feel like we're doing this because we I personally didn't think the taxpayers should be
paying for that but they're now saying we don't like this because you're doing it just for him so I I don't no unless there's a way we can write it that makes everybody happy and it sounds like maybe I mean Eric's kind of on his way there
but it still seems like there were some concerns so I mean we do you know what we can to try and keep costs and taxes and things fees and things like that down even in a
tough situation as we are right now um and I I'm firmly in the camp that the person with the problem needs to be held accountable for their problem and ignoring their problem and not passing it on to me you and everybody in this
room and if this helps that I'm in favor so we're still feeling like we want to move forward with it with some new text I guess I'm feeling maybe we need to tail it yep definitely taing it I don't have any problem with that okay lar can
do that do his thing or whatever back us but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water okay good are you feel the same way okay just want to make sure that we wer spend a lot more time on this if everyone was going to just say let's yeah because I don't think it should be a taxpayers thing but I think
we I think we have to hear them and what I'm hearing is they need a little bit more security secure feeling yeah but I I will say in my 20 years on the council I've never ever ever gone into any Court thing like this
or pushed it that far or had any property be to this this point so I guess it usually doesn't come to the council when people have some violations that he handles it and okay um well I'd like to move on if
that's okay we can we do we have to oh I'm so sorry I'm so sorry what's your name I mean it's not actually a public forum I'm just allowing people we're not off the topic okay so um my
name is Jody dayfield I live at 307 Lake Street South so I think [Music] um clarification is going to be huge um there's so much vagueness in the codes
in the city and it seems like and and it does seem like us against the city council because I think there's a lot of things you maybe you're not aware of that happens between the city and all of us residents and it's constant um and
I'm just going to give one example because as much as I'm sick of talking about Chris Kringle it's it's that's not why we're here I mean I feel like his situation yeah unfortunately it might fall there's fees
and stuff and you know whatever but you know we could have a natural disaster and there's going to be fees and stuff and whatever but that's one person where we're concerned about is the ordinances and it goes back to a year ago when you
pushed how many ordinances through in one boat was ridiculous and then now we're looking at it and people are getting the repercussions of this is code this is ordinance this is code this is ordinance going back to that and I don't want to get into that that's not the
purpose um clarification like when can you come on our properties What whose idea is what is acceptable and what isn't um is The Pink House in Hudson acceptable the the Flaming pink
one the Barbie house well some people will drive 30 miles to see it their neighbors probably hate it so I mean who gets to decide what is appropriate to have on your property and then when that
decision is made who whose authority is it to send drones looking into windows and looking on properties that has happened so I'm sorry if you're not aware of everything
that happens but a lot happens so we collectively everybody has a story here an awareness story so that goes back to the
umbrella and if the umbrella isn't clear it does affect all of us because they're so vague do you know that rip wrap is suggested but is it the best to hold back the shoreline these are the things
that get like hammered down on things when you pick and choose who you're going to decide when you're going to use it I'll second that's that's why we're here and I'm sorry it feels like us against them
but when you have a whole group of people that have these things they're all awarenesses all right so I I hear you guys and I'm hearing like there's like there's some sort of conspiracy or behind the scenes stuff going I I
haven't gotten an email you guys clearly have our emails from any Resident for weeks literally so the the first thing I would do if I was a resident and I am and I had trouble with the city I'm going to either call Matt Sarah or one of my council members okay so here's
phone and I'm not and I'm okay I'm just going to speak primarily for myself and our situation and I'm not even going to get into the situation because that's not what the point is we're afraid to talk we are afraid to
make a a we are afraid because then it's like another thing denied another thing denied do you know a year ago I sat in this Council room and the whole people here passed their boat
house and passed when they were going to have it restored one year I was here then they get a setback why are we supposed to trust the
city now they're 12,000 on top of your city fees because of the boat house that we all that in the same room and hurt you unan unanimously pass we don't clarify I'm going to
clarify what what I understand happened that we passed and I'm sure it wasn't as clear to everybody but what we passed that night was to take it out of the very the other part of the I don't even want to
talk it was it was confusing and complicated my issu I was here I was here I I yeah but the point is is so yes there's a collective not we a distrust of your
ordinances and your codes and everything you pass and it and it comes up on Thursday for um that you know City this that is not acceptable like you said getting it we
all should have this information I think it was these are big things so all I'm asking for all we're asking for and I hope this isn't going to set our problem back now because I'm speaking because we had a a setback
right after the meeting when I spoke the last time you can think oh would that happen but it happens so yes we don't want to talk that this is true this is not made
up wow this is very very con and surprising yeah I have no idea people are afraid to speak to their council members do you guys know that we're Bayport residents and that we have kids that go to the school that doesn't
that's irrelevant Katie we follow the rules too that is irrelevant if I have a question about right and we try to fix it and we since I've gone on here we've gotten rid of some of the ordinance changed them so that they're easier to read Because yeah they're hundred years
old some of them and I don't disagree with what you're saying once again Jeff oswal Peril Creek uh but I do believe a lot of your ordinances are set for maybe newer developments and not the older part of town I've gone round and round with Matt about different ordinances and
even Adam before Matt was even in place actually Matt would come into meetings and sit down with me and Adam and go over things tip fortat on what is acceptable can your trash can out front well I live on the old part of town my trash can has to sit out front I can't put it anywhere else I didn't have a
garage at that time some of your ordinances and the way that all these people feel is based off of experience whether it's with Sarah Matt the chief of police I've been here 18 years I've been I feel like I've been mistreated as
a citizen timeing and time out pulling teeth to get permits pass I'm a licensed contractor I run all over the state of Minnesota I go to Woodbury I here you go you have your plans in order you get your plumbing electrical and building all at the same time here I get pulled
in by Matt on a separate occasion to say well you don't have this and I spin the plans around and say what does this say there's a lot of issues that you guys need to be aware of you guys need to let us know yeah thank you
contact the city okay we're gonna um I I do appreciate you all coming here and all of the information a lot of it is surprising a lot of I have heard some of it before the the fear of talking to your council members is a little
surprising to me but um I unless someone has something else to add I'm ready I'm very much ready to to move on I think we've listened to them you want to have a motion to table to the city counc that would be
our next I'll make a motion to table I don't even know what I'm table um the amendment to chap the amendment thank you to chapter 25
and I second okay all right thanks Connie and Katie all those in favor I just need a minute I'm sorry recess you can recess yeah let's please
take us 5 minute break e e e e e e e e
e e e e e e e e e and then uh call the council back to order
okay Ethan had a good idea to play the Jeopardy tune before when we lead back in okay um and the recess and call me back to order all right so we made our motion on that we're going to consider an amendment to chapter 62 vegetation
Article 2 public nuisances of the Bayport city code of ordinances related to Emerald ashor infestation and summary of ordinance for publication uh Matt uh thank you madam mayor uh members
of the council um as indicated this is to uh consider adding to the vegetative public nuisance uh code um it includes adding um Emerald Ash boore um as a nuisance species um that
is currently significant or currently damaging as trees in the region across the whole region um and causing widespread uh tree mortality um if you look in anybody's yard currently um you can pretty much see either completely
dead ash trees or or very close to being um Dead Ash um we've had this ordinance in the past has included Dutch elm's disease um in order to um further enforce the ability to um either take
this tree down or require the property owner to take the tree down because of a either public nuisance or a hazardous tree um there are some were a couple of other changes to the ordinance um it does give 20 days of batement we do
realize that um um removing such a tree can be very costly um and the city is willing to work with residents um as long as they get it scheduled and get it moving forward um we also kind of want to get ahead of this um as Emerald dasb
is starting to make significant progress in the city um and not good progress so not good staff is recommending the city council adopt a motion amending chapter 62 vegetation Article 2 uh public news
is as presented I will stand for questions thanks Matt um just all the conversations lately make me wonder is there some way to make this broader so we don't have to bring it back again when there's another bug that comes into some other kind of tree
or do we just keep adding infestations as they happen yeah part of the it's a double-edged sword right um part of it is we want to at least proactively be able to do it so somebody um lodges a complaint against say a half
dead ashery um then we have a little more um ability to indicate that EAB is listed in the ordinance so um that was one of the reasons Dutch Elm was specifically listed it is a little
unusual um but it does help out with like the arborist to indicates yep it has the ab this is considered in the ordinance um a public nuisance so other cities don't have a more General thing that just says
resulting from an infestation versus specific like should we get rid of Dutch Elm instead of adding another disease just be more broad that's a question for legal don't we have an ordinance that is just
ifce Tre or you know we do and then where it throws us is Dutch Elm is specifically listed right and so the reasoning that we did Emerald ashbo is because Dutch Elm is specifically listed or we could go the
other way and get rid of Dutch Elm and not include Emerald ashare what do you think Council I like the specific um so that way you can say this is the Dutch Elm
EAB you don't get into the argument about um is this truly you know a fully dead tree um all those uh debates uh you can continue under the rest of your uh code to essentially seek
when you have a public nuisance of a a dead dying tree and so forth and see if you can control them but this one is pretty easy it has a EAB Dutch Elm there's not an argument so you're saying there already is something
for General dead tree I'd had to take a look at your code but I would be surprised if it did not have uh that General language that would cover treat do we need to add Oak Wilt to the list you know yeah you're usually looking at
those things that are truly an infestation rather than just one of those uh aspects that any particular natural vegetation can you know be harmed by beetles or you know other particular type of diseases so yeah you
don't want to try to do a laundry list of of everything but when you do have things like Dutch Elm and EAB that has become a regional or national infestation so forth it makes sense to address them um and in some respects I'm
kind of surprised that this isn't wasn't in place a couple years ago um but better late than ever well um go ahead I I'm just reading in the section two the red part where it says in less circumstances warned an extension by the city administrator judging by our last
conversations maybe that should be brought to us as uh you city council thing I mean honestly like you guys are are you know people are upset and it's like if that comes to us then we've got better communication with the community
I mean I know it puts more on us um but maybe I mean it's one less thing you have to make a decision on I I get it but that's what they're saying that's what the public wants yeah than because yeah 20 days I mean if somebody told me I had to cut down a tree and it was $2,500 you know 20 days
is a short time and I'm assuming you would I would assume you would extend it but maybe we change it to the council would extend it and then it can come before us then the then the people can come in they can say hey this is the deal you know I we only meet once a
month so that's what it's going to mess up a lot of that where they can talk to him any day and know at all these random times yeah I I mean I don't know I'm just I'm just judging by what we just I understand why you're saying it I'm just
not sure that that's the solution what if we gave a longer longer time period to Abate it yeah yeah 60 days 20 days is I mean you might not even be able to find a tree contract to me if I found out in June I should I mean it it's not
going to fall down tomorrow right so Madame mayor M Council we debated all of these things between Simon Sarah and myself so this was the best solution that we came up with yes so 20 days would be have a
hard time the hope would be that once you get that the hope is that people are being proactive and taking down their trees right now if that doesn't happen the next thing would be that a neighbor would call saying hey it appears this tree is really dead and might fall on my
house so what happens then is if if the person person knows that the tree is dead then they take on some liability if it falls on somebody's house if it's still living and falls on somebody's house then somebody else's house has homeowners to cover that but we're
trying to watch out for the public on liability issues so the thought was the 20 days should be enough time to find an arist and at least get it scheduled now maybe it does have to come back to the council if they just don't have enough
money or can prove that they don't have the ability to do that and then maybe there's a chance that we can assess that property or find some financial help for that that's I was just going to ask so short term I think circumstances warrant and extension by the city administrator
that's where you go if it comes to it yes it would probably come to you so just in the terms of transparency are we going to be going around the city identifying these trees and that's that's a very good question I
would I I would tend towards yes only because they are a major they're going to be a major major Hazard here especially if people don't get them cut down they're just going to get more expensive to take down um but we would
probably seek Council directive on that one so so if we do get to that point and we are finding a bunch of trees which we know they exist it feels like we should be able to give them like some buy into a deal to get that tree cut down by you know what I mean like let's work on a
program to eliminate them maybe and that might make everyone feel a little better about it yeah so so part of the issue there becomes these are all like oneoff trees right that need individual attention we've tried to ask some of the tree
companies to piggy back onto the street project or the art cutting project the problem becomes our our tree cutting is fairly simple right you're at the the street you can cut it down straight forward I
mean some of these trees are likely going to have to get craned out and so that gets way more complex than what a normal understand you can't say oh you can get your tree cut down for X dollar but could they be giving like a if we give you all these trees to do will you
give a discount to everyone who does it or something like that I see that perspective too and not to throw water on the fire yeah quit using all my ideas man these tree contractors are super busy right and so they don't need our
they don't need us as much correct okay I'm just trying I mean I know that it's expensive to get a tree taken down and it could be there that I see cuz I spot them a mile away once you notice them you notice them and there's people with four five and six of them in
their yard I mean yeah that's it's a tough bill that's 10 that's 10,000 [Music] probably but two from that perspective sorry met there isn't much out there for
Public Funding for help like that I'm and I haven't heard of anything from like State Legislature or anything like that we could do some research what other cities do but my guess is it's the bigger cities who are providing some
type of incentive to that point so but you could cut these tree down by yourself my husband did one it was just was little though mean you could there's definitely there somewh you can't and you need like a big Crane or something sometimes between houses and garage
there aren't too many out there at least that I've seen currently dead that it's not like you would have to hire someone if you had the skills to do it yourself yeah absolutely but if you had the skills it's likely that you took it down yeah so mhm I would like to before we go
out and just start telling everyone they need to cut their trees down and maybe talk with Council about how to approach all this CU I don't know I just feel like I put it out there a while back CU I remember telling my neighbor that hey you know we've there's
a he had one that right by our utility pole I no longer live in that house but I'm like hey you're kind of putting us at risk you're dead tree on your property that's good I just I don't I don't there's a process right we encourage like if if we have somebody who makes a
complaint we encourage them to go talk to their neighbor initially right and if they refused to that then then we go through the process and people have been in the past very good about getting their tree removed I mean we've had this ordinance in place um I've dealt with maybe one or two that had it removed and
we've given them extra time in the past um but this will become a major news yeah I don't think we ever gone through something like this maybe Dutch Elm when I was kid yeah so I just there's probably
didn't didn't you have a percentage of how many hous I mean probably at least 50% of the houses in Bayport have an ash tree yeah I would believe that that's very accurate we had 350 Boulevard trees that were ash trees and that was
roughly 30 or 40% of the trees in the boulevard so you're talking probably e that percentage in people's yards if not more yeah okay well I guess back to the point of this ordinance um do we have a
motion I mean if if you guys you guys tossed it around and this is what you came up with I'm it's it seems reasonable to me something's got to be done they can't be left yeah can we change the 20 days though because if you do have the hire a
company it's a lot of the times where it's going to be more than a 20-day wait again M mayor M Council the hope is that they can hire somebody within that 20 days and that get it at least scheduled would it make I mean should we
say it then be scheduled for a basement within 20 days schedule instead of actually Abad within 20 days maybe change language to that I guess then somebody could schedule a two years out oh yeah that's true
Point um yeah I do I'm open to changing the 20 days attorney Lars do you 30 should we change it to 30 days it's just fewer people that you have to maybe deal with I don't know for the extensions yeah I'm fine with 30 days 30 days that's actually fairly customary and
standard I think that seems reasonable better than 20 okay um motion do that okay with the 30-day um change I'll second all right thank you John and Ethan roll call vote
I guess council member Carlson I council member do I council member Gilmer hi council member Hill hi mayor Hansen I thanks now we're going to consider a resolution adopting procedures for
counting right in votes for local elective office [Music] okay who's Sarah Matt who's doing this one Madam mayor members of the council in 2023 several election laws were updated to promote more efficient
election Administration U one of these updates relates to the tallying and Counting of righten votes for local city offices uh currently State Statute requires candidates for County state or federal Offices to file a written request to count their right in votes um
on the ballot for an election uh the purpose of this is to eliminate staff time to count frivolous wrin such as Donald Duck or Mickey Mouse um which can add several hours to the end of the election um night to better align with the right in process for these other
offices cities are now allowed to select um from one of two different options for processing right and votes um the first is outlined in the memo it's to require the candidate to file a written request to have their right and votes individually recorded and because that
can be difficult or hard to promote staff felt that option too was maybe the better of the two and that would just require that wrin votes only be individually recorded if the total number of WR in votes is equal to or greater than the votes for a candidate
on the ballot so in reviewing model resolutions for other cities it was split about 50% between the two different options based on Bay port's election statistics and volume of Wrens for our local offices staff is re recommending the option number two and and this would be uh implemented this
year for the general election on November 5th and if adopted the resolution would remain in effect until a subsequent resolution would be adopted happy to ask any any questions so option number two basically if you know that the lowest person on the
ballot has 400 and you only have 200 writing votes you just don't yeah I like that option so you don't even like actually tally if they said Mickey Mouse or Jo like none of that's getting right now we have to tally every single right in vote so um unless someone is
actually doing a right in campaign and made it noted they didn't make the deadline to be on the ballot I think we probably would take the initiative to still count those um just as a good faith effort but for those other ones that have a one-off vote I mean our
tally sheet can be this long at the end of the night and that takes a lot of time I wish Colleen was still here she's my head election judge and she could votee for that so um we don't have to adopt either option but I think number two would make um for a more efficient election night it does make sense I know
I was a writing candidate once and I was just thinking about how if like I would have just assumed that all the writings were for me then but they really weren't so it was kind of nice to have the actual tally so I knew how many were for me even though I
didn't get there there wasn't anyone else I mean it was just Susan running so but um so I guess you're saying that you would do it if you knew there was a specific writing candidate that I think we probably would yeah or could a write in
candidate request it or something or how would it how would you well that would be more of option number one one but then they have to say it ahead of to make the request so there is that option as an alternative um M may I have to say since
I've been doing the elections here for over 20 years when you were a right in candidate that was the only serious like actual right in campaign we've ever had really wow okay I mean I'm good with option two everybody else me too I'm fine with
option okay I'm ready to make a motion so should I make a motion I guess so I will make a motion to adopt a resolution adopting procedures for counting wrin votes for local elect officials as presented to the
council thanks Connie a second thanks Ethan right roll call vote council member cson hi council member Gilmore I council member do hi council member Hill i a h
i second guessing about the whole night sorry yeah I know it's hard not to it is hard not to okay consider an interim appointment of Alan eisinger as chief for the fire department Matt Madame mayor members of
the council um as you may be aware um July 31st is the term ending for the current fire chief uh Alan isinger um city has had some discussions about filling this role whether it's full-time
part-time um multiple different options um but in the inter term um until an actual decision is made um Ellen has agreed to fill in as the interm fire chief in that role um so in
the short term it would allow the city council to keep evaluating um whether we need a full-time Chief or if some other version makes sense um the preliminary budget for 2025 will include an earmark for
half of a year of full-time Chief um that was talked about in the financial management plan um so then further discussion can take place here in the next couple of months um especially when we know some of more of the budget numbers and stuff like that that'll play
a big role so um at this time staff recommends city council approved the interm appointment of alen eisinger um as SP Chief effective August 1st 2024 thank you Matt any discussion
questions the council no I'll move to appoint Alan eisinger as interim chief for the fire department second sorry all right thanks Ethan and John I just want to thank Alan before we do the vote thanks for hanging in there
with us all right even though I seconded I could still vote me what he said even though he seconded he could still vote n oh all right uh all those in favor I no name anyone
oppose John no okay thank you Alan thank you appreciate it okay Council liaison reports Katie do you want to start yeah so I had the um Bayport action or Bayport Community Action League
appointment on Tuesday July 18th um a lot was covered went through all of um what they made on all of the events so far um maybe with the garage sales they
were maybe thinking um maybe like in our newsletter around the same time as the garage sales we could have oh didn't get away rid of this at your garage sale donate to and find all these cool places to donate home homeless shelters women
shelters anything like that just to get people we're not doing the trash thing anymore yeah even Bal could do that in their Facebook posts yeah um Farmers Market still going on still being great I love the music that's going on down there so if you haven't
been down to the farmers market now is the time cuz it's the music just makes it really pop awesome that's great um and then they were talking about um garbage cans for like
uh flashlights and batteries or lights and we don't have anything in the city closest place is Woodberry and that's Washington County Environmental Center that you would drop it off and as long as you're a Washington County resident it's completely free to drop
any of that stuff off over there and I mean we can still maybe look into the recycling bins we confusing cuz we are now meeting down there and they're like which ones are recycling and which one are trash so maybe we got
to paint those up blue Lids are coming oh blue Lids are coming perfect okay and that's what I have thank you I love that idea of having a local hazardous waste collection site I don't know how hard that is if other cities do I know they do it every once in a while like stillw
water had one recently right um but like a permanent one is that have you heard of anything like that Sarah no I don't know I mean it's kind of nice cuz you feel like you're driving either you collect a bunch in your garage until it's time to go right or you're driving
down 20 miles to yeah drop off some stuff and just to comment on that so if we do a collection site here the bad thing about that is we actually have to pay to oh you do correct yes so we don't only
residents get to go to Washington County Recycling Center for free so bring that back to bcal I guess yeah tell it was a good idea but I don't know that that would make sense I've done it with neighbors before I was going to say maybe it's talk to your neighbor about
collecting stuff and going they've taken my stuff I've taken theirs Connie that was good you didn't hear that I okay all right um John said he didn't have an update no no we didn't have a
meeting didn't have meet last month all right that was the Watershed and then um Ethan or do you want me to go I can I didn't have a meeting either okay easy want me to go go Liber bird met we
basically um kind of went over the Strategic plan and I believe Jill's plan she's hoping to bring it to the city here in August um she submitted our annual Grant request to the Anderson
Foundation um for and there's building projects that outstanding things that are are almost complete but not quite so she's hoping to get a grant to cover some of that really um outdoor furniture has been ordered along with the bike
station or the whatever um and that should be coming soon she said and then she's also looking into getting some children items for the children area you know how Stow water has a whole little section with kind of cool things
she's trying to get some of that done and we'll meet again here three weeks so all right thank you so I had a couple meetings in July with um some people again to kind of get
that idea of a of a foundation for the city of Bayport started um it's going to it's not something that's going to happen overnight but I'm just kind of planting some seeds to get that discussion going to see if we can think about maybe a foundation for Parks or
whatever someone has a passion about so if that interests you as a resid and you want to start something with me I'm super excited to to get something like that going for us cuz I know like we no longer have a lot of new building going on which is how we got our Parks
dedication fees and now we don't you know so it's a way to get that going if someone has um an inkling to do that um also did some of the chamber events to kind of get Bayport out there invisible a coffee
talk at River siren I volunteered at the food truck Extravaganza mixer at um a new orthodontist actually they're not even that new but they got a new name in um Still Water Cy view Ortho um I was in on the police officer
interview process thank you for inviting me it was that was good to get to know the the interviewees and then um when there went to the Fire Relief meeting and the best news out of that one was that there's no July meeting
right uh pretty much other it was just regular regular news from that I also had the chance to meet with a Girl Scout Troop number 14 at Mabel's for their democracy badge so I got to tell them a little bit about what a mayor
does I could tell them about tonight they'd hate that though they why why do you do that job um little first and second graders so that was that was very a very nice thing that they invited me and then I guess a judge was going to speak right after me so that was they were going to learn all all kinds of
things I also did that St Cory River Workshop the the workshop on the water from Angie Hong and that we did last year um it's always a really good reminder about how we need to be good stewards of our River and and there's
always some interesting conversations so if you guys have never done it they do it every year I think and there's usually a couple options and hanging out with other Council members Watershed people whatever it's it's um it's it's a good experience and you get a this time
it was out of Hudson instead of Still Water so went on that boat this time so yeah that was mine and now staff reports Matt yeah mam mayor uh
we'll go through them quick uh fire CH vising everybody has their memo in there the only change that I have is we had ended up with 100 calls for June compared to 89 in 2023 so our year to date is 603 compared to
565 so so you wait you had like 50 calls in the last week of June yes it gets nuts goodness holy okay I've heard them it's been crazy know I mean it it's been crazy
okay with that everything else is in the memo stand for questions oh and thanks again for for being our chief enjoy Chief I like it yeah thank you thank you another chief chief
Jackson Madame mayor and councel I'll try and cut it short here since we had a long meeting um uh officer Cornell and may is recertified in their narcotics um in the month of June so he is good to go for um being certified for the the uh rest of the year uh we just attended the
Cale Summerfest the other day that was a nice event my first time going to it um one of the other big things is we had our biannual body warn camera audit that was completed um and we had one discrepency that was noted and it just had to do with a slight policy change that was
updated in statute so that change was made and so now we're in full compliance um the big thing is the safe roads grant that we received for the $25,000 and overtime costs um does begin this week so you'll uh residents will
start to see a lot more activity on the highway 95 quor where we'll be uh upping the enforcement activities of speed crosswalk violations distracted driving just traffic in general uh officer Cornell uh will have a sixy year anniversary as a full-time officer as of
July 9th and then safety camp and night to night uh planning is continuing I will stand for questions thanks for hosting my daughter I see she made the packet here so oh Elsa is carrying the the door
breaching um I thought it was a great picture I love it oh that is her yeah all right oh there's a couple other community events that we have that are on the on our Facebook page that I skipped over so and Britney's in almost all the pictures no I'm just
kidding she's our PR person yeah she's out there she was at the good for her cyale thing too that was fun with the llamas all right thank you Chief all right I'd like to welcome our finance officer Lucas
Schilling yay Lucas is first real meeting welcome Madam mayor members of the council it's a pleasure to address you for the first time as the finance officer for the city of Bayport like to thank you again for the opportunity um biggest thing that I'm working on currently is our annual Financial audit
or the year of 2023 progress is definitely being made um everything's going really well the Auditors were here on site on June 20th um and they only had to be here for one day which is all was a good sign um we
did have to file an extension with the offic office of the state auditor um because City's financials are due by July 1st which is today so due to the late start of the audit we had to file an extension we have 45 days now until
August 16th but I've got no reason to believe we will not finish it well before that great so and that was not because of you it's because of the auditing company getting here on time right okay which next year we will certainly get a jump on it sooner yeah I
would hope they've done that to us the last couple years now we're we're late we do have and we have spoken to them about that okay so good I will stand for questions about anything
else welcome yeah and thank you and thanks for all your work on the audit I'm sure it was you've learned a lot probably in that process huh yeah and I've had a lot of help yeah from Mary thank you Mary I know you're watching yes thank you Mary yeah she's definitely eating poorn
tonight yeah thank you Lucas okay um Public Works director WTH is not here tonight but I'd like to do a couple of things on his uh thing um we will be doing more sidewalk cutting um this year um and the program is actually
on a whole cycle we made it through all of the sidewalks they've either been replaced or cut at least one time since I started um so now we will start over again and try and lower get lower to the a actual Ada standard which is quarter
inch so first we cut to half inch uh equivalent and now we will get further down um it might happen next year or the year after where we will actually do a replacement um assessment
uh sidewalk replacement again so so just to clarify you already did anything that was offset by a quarter of an inch now you're going to go back to anything that's offset by a half an inch is that or is it the other way around other way okay we did half inch and now anything
left at quarter okay gotcha we will go back and do that okay other made it sound like you like did some up to a certain point and then you're going to go back and do them further and I'm like I don't think that's how that works we didn't leave them at a quarter end yeah I'm like what that's not the way it
sounded okay um and then just a public service announcement about the lead service line inventory um the due date for that is coming up quickly we are asking residents who get a tag on their door that specifically indicates that we need to determine um what their incoming
water line is um is for that inventory so if you happen to get a take on your door please call um the number on that tag and set up an appointment um next up is assistant City administrator
SAR just one quick question sorry Sarah how what percentage of the lines have we gotten done been doing it forever yep it's a slow go when people don't answer their doors so I would say over 60% Oh I thought it was going to be higher than
that sorry that's all right keep working at it come on people let them in all right thank you Sarah keep going Madam mayor members of the council uh the city council and Planning Commission held a joint meeting and public hearing earlier this evening to review a residential
concept development plan submitted by Rick and will federowski um based on the feedback from that meeting the applicant will need to determine whether or not to move forward with an application for preliminary plat for the development so we'll keep you posted on that um the school district is in the process of
putting together a submittal timeline for the annexation and and land use applications for the new Anderson Elementary adjacent to Barker Els Park and that's anticipated uh for a September meeting uh staff has been busy preparing various ordinance and policy updates
most of which were on tonight's agenda and then finally residents and businesses can expect to receive the next edition of the city's print newsletter by mail this week um article highlights include recognition of past bport mayors water conservation tips emerald ashbo tree care recycling
resources and member recruitment for the fire department uh the next edition of the newsletter will be printed in September happy to take any questions all right my report um just uh one thing on my report we were working on City staff is working on the 2025 uh
preliminary budget um we'll likely have a budget meeting probably at a workshop in the first weekend or at before the first council meeting in August um City staff has been very good about getting their uh budgets back to me already um
and we had a discussion tonight about some budget impacts so all that will be taken into account um and hopefully we'll be able to work through uh next year's budget with that I will stand for questions all right
thank you Matt anyone have any last second announcements no all right motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting thanks Connie ni second thank you Katie
all in favor Hallelujah okay e e