My daughter has one. >> It is Monday, November 10th, 2025, 6 p.m. Welcome to the Beach Haven B Council meeting. Please join us in the Pledge of Allegiance led by Mrs. Anderson. I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Pursuant to the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice, adequate
and electronic notice of this meeting has been provided by posting on the bulletin board in the Beach Haven Municipal Building on the Burough website and mailing the same to the Beach Haven Times, Asbury Park Press, and the Press of Atlantic City. Miss Anderson >> here,
>> Mrs. Bal Miller >> here, >> Mr. McCaffrey >> here, >> Miss Snder >> here, >> and Mayor Lambert >> here. We have a finance report tonight um uh for October 2025.
Um cash receipts in the current fund account for the period of October 1st, 2025 to October 31st, 2025 or 5,748,146.38. Cash dispersement in the current fund account for the month of October 2025
totaled 1,322 uh 100 and 900 sorry 322,988128 cash receipts in the water utility account for the period of October 1st
2025 to October 31st 2025 were $26,24045 5 cash dispersement in the water utility account for the month of October 2025 totaled 67,22268. Cash receipts in the sewer utility account for the period of October 1st,
2025 to October 31st, 2025 were 20,635 and cash dispersement in the sewer utility account for the month of October 2025 total $237,33.93. The cash management fund current account with the state of New Jersey is
221,594.99. And the cash management fund for the water utility account with the state of New Jersey is $17,26760. Respectfully submitted by Sharon Bowler, our treasurer. >> Thank you. All right, we have our first ordinance
tonight is ordinance number 2025-203. It's a bond ordinance authorizing various capital improvements and acquisitions in and for the burrow of Beach Haven in the county of Ocean State of New Jersey appropriating $2,220,000
therefore and authorizing the issuance of $1,779,000 bonds or notes to finance part of the cost thereof. This is the second reading. >> Seeing it is the second reading, it is open to public comment. Uh we will ask
that if you decide to come up or you'd like to come up and speak on this matter, you come up. Please identify yourself and be sure to hold it to three minutes and we will start with anybody in the room. Anybody like to speak to this ordinance? Seeing none, is there anybody on Zoom
would like to speak to this? >> I don't see anyone. >> All right, seeing none, we'll close to public comment. And is there a motion to approve 2025-23? >> I'll make a motion. >> A second. >> Miss Anderson?
>> Yes. >> Mrs. Bow Miller? >> Yes. >> Mr. McCaffrey? >> Yes. >> Miss Snyder? >> Yes. >> And Mayor Lambert? >> Yes. >> Thank you. We have ordinance number 2025-24 is a bond bond ordinance authorizing
various water system improvements by the water utility in and for the burrow of beach haven in the county of ocean state of New Jersey appropriating $250,000 therefore and authorizing the issuance of $250,000
bonds or notes to finance part of the cost thereof. It's the second reading. Again, this is open to public comment. Um, same deal. Three minutes. Please ID yourself. Is there anybody in the audience who would like to speak to this? No. How about on Zoom?
>> I don't see anyone on Zoom either. >> All right. Seeing none, um, is there a motion to approve 2025-24? >> I'll make a motion to approve 2025-24. >> Second. >> Miss Anderson? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Bmiller? >> Yes.
>> Mr. McCaffrey? >> Yes. >> Miss Snder? >> Yes. and Mayor Lambert. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Um, ordinance number 2025-25 is a bond ordinance authorizing various sewer system improvements by the sewer utility in and for the Burough of Beach
Haven in the County of Ocean State of New Jersey appropriating $980,000 therefore and authorizing the issuance of $980,000 bonds or notes to finance part of the cost thereof. This is also a second
reading. >> Again, it is open to public comment. Is there anybody in the room who would like to come up and speak to this? Seeing none, anybody on Zoom? >> I don't see anyone on Zoom for this one. >> All right. Then, is there a motion to approve 2025-25?
>> I'll make a motion to approve 2025-25. >> A second. >> Miss Anderson? >> Yes. >> Mrs. Bmiller? >> Yes. >> Mr. McCaffrey? >> Yes. Miss Snyder, >> yes. >> And Mayor Lambert, >> yes. >> Thank you.
I have ordinance number 2025-26 C. An ordinance amending chapter 57 beach protection of the burough code of the burough beach haven county of ocean state of New Jersey 2000 repealing and
replacing sections 57-4 C2A and 4 C2B concerning the regulation of private dune walkovers. The purpose the bureau having previously regulated the use of private dune walkovers including
prohibiting the use of same unless a homeowner installed a dune walkover by 2023 finds that it is in the best interest of the bureau for dune protection and for the health, safety and welfare of the residents of and visitors to the burrow
to revise the burough code related to dune walkovers. This is also a second reading. Since it is a second reading, we will be taking public comment. However, before we do that, I would like to read a brief statement because there has been a lot on social media and
letters to the editor and things and there have been a few misstatements or misinterpretations. So, to make sure that everybody understands accurately what's going on, the question of transparency and rushing this ordinance through has been raised. So, here's the timeline so we all have accurate information. You can verify all of this
on the burough website. Discussion about how to regulate walkovers began in November of 24, but because the beach replenishment was just being completed, no permits had been given out that year, and the discussion was tabled until March 27th of 25 at the agenda meeting.
On April 14th, ordinance 20257C was introduced with considerable comment from the oceanfront owners regarding the change in status and questioning the reasons why. It was determined that different conversations with different members of the NJ DP were producing
different conclusions and there was a lot of concern about this ordinance being adopted amidst the confusion. On April 30th, 2025, the ordinance was passed in order to allow the homeowners to get their 25 permits with the promise that the bureau would do further
research on the issue. In late May, an attorney hired by many of the oceanfront homeowners with walkways reached out to the council to see if he could discuss the terms of the ordinance with our attorney, and we agreed that that was the best way to proceed. These discussions were proceeded uh preceded
throughout the summer, and we brought up the subject again at the September 25th meeting. The walkovers had never been banned at any point in time during this entire process. It was a matter of tightening the regulations for allowing them. It was agreed upon that no new
permits would ever be given out again and only the current holders who must have had theirs before 2023 and signed an easement with the Army Corps of Engineers where applicable would be allowed to continue. It was further stipulated that any infractions that caused the permit to be revoked would
result in the permanent loss of the permit. The $100 fee associated with the permit is for the annual inspection by our public works department. And contrary to what was intimated, no one can simply come along and purchase one for that fee. Only legitimate previous
holders are allowed to get a permit, which means renew it. Basically, currently there are 21 active permits and approximately 80 oceanfront homes. It should be noted that during the entire time, over a year now, there were no objections from anyone in the public
except the oceanfront owners until September 25th, which makes the claim that there was a lack of transparency move. The process was ongoing for at least 5 months and a matter of public record. Just wanted to clear that up because there has been a lot of misinformation
flying around. Now, um again, three minutes for public comment. Don't forget to identify yourself and we will start with the room. Is there anybody in the room who would like to speak to this? No. Seeing none, is there anybody on Zoom?
If you're on Zoom, please raise your electronic hand. If you're not sure how to do that, you can turn on your video and raise your, you know, your hand and I'll look for you. All right. I have Fran Malletki. Hi. Um, first of all, I'd like to thank
you, Mayor Lambert, for reading. >> Fran, will you please state your um name and address? >> Sure. >> Forgot about that. Fran Malletki, 1615 South Beach A Beach Haven. Um, >> thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, first of all, I'd like to thank you, Mayor Lambert, for giving us
that timeline and indicating and clearing up some of the misinformation that's been on social media. Um, I appreciate all the work that the council's done. I appreciate the fact that um you have given the homeowners
myself front home opportunity to work uh with um you uh to come up with a meaningful uh ordinance that actually protects the dunes uh which I think uh does a much better job than maybe what was produced
um earlier on. Uh I think we you've come up with a lot of um as I said protections but also compromises so that uh we're moving forward in a positive direction. Anyway, I just wanted to mention that it's been sort of a long um
process I feel for for all of us and um I hope that moving forward you realize that you know we as homeowners have a very vested interest in protect protection of the dunes. Um, I know just a few of the neighbors that I have.
We've been planting uh the dune grass which was offered by the burrow. I planted 800. I know other neighbors who have more than I have. Uh, but we've do this every year. Um, not to the extent that maybe we have because of the dune because of the dune replenishment. We've
planted extra heavy this year because of the replenishment that was done this past summer. But um you know, we've we've always been stewards of the dune and I hope you realize that we're all neighbors uh and all looking for the same the same thing. A wonderful safe in
a beautiful Thank >> you. >> Thank you. Anyone else on Zoom would like to say anything? >> Please raise a hand or make yourself known. >> Yes.
>> I see uh Murray Robertson. >> Please unmute yourself. >> Got it. Okay. I'm not that familiar. I don't do much of this. Uh I also like to thank the Murray Roberts 707 South Atlantic A Beach BJ. Uh, I'd like to thank the council too for taking a look
at what was passed in the spring. I think it was rather ownorous uh and not helpful to the dunes to remove uh each version of this ordinance has been uh has been changed and this last one obviously for the better. Uh couple
points I'd like to make. Uh, first of all, are there other ordinances that Beach Haven has that um there's an application fee to do something and if somebody doesn't meet the date, the fee
quadruples? >> I honestly don't know. Um, I'm familiar. This is Mary Claire. I'm once I'm or work in the clerk's office. I handle the fire inspection applications and come time that the date is met, it doubles.
The fee doubles. >> That's one I know of. I'm not familiar obviously with every other fee. It's a tough question you're asking there. >> Well, there are lots of ordinances, aren't there? And nobody can site another one that the
fee increases except one. And nobody can site one where the fee quadruples. And I think my question would be, would you all not agree that the fees that you charge the public should somewhat reflect the cost to the town to administer the uh ordinance? For
example, a building permit fees should roughly resemble the cost to do the inspections throughout the project. Uh would you all agree that that's the fees how fee structure should be set? >> I don't have a question. Let me just get this. >> Wait, Bruce is speaking.
>> Go ahead. I'll jump in on that first. I I think I wanted to correct what he said that there was no other ordinance that increased the fee. I think Mary Cla said the opposite, that there were some where at least it doubled. I'm not aware of any that that quadrupled as um characterized here, but the quadrupling
is not the fee. It it's a late charge. And the reason for that was we had some homeowners this year who didn't apply at all uh throughout the whole year or applied very late. So it it's only $100 if you do it on time and and there's no, you know, that covers the cost of the
DPW inspection and maybe consultation with the engineer if possible. So it's only if it's uh late is that $400 applied. Otherwise, it's just $100, >> which is the same as it currently was, >> right? I I would I would say that it's
Am I hurt or am I blocked out? I don't see >> because >> Okay. Yeah. So I would say it's ownorous to quadruple it. Uh I don't think that that's uh that's necessary or fair. The other thing that I would say is that if somebody fails to apply by the second
date, I think it was June 1st, they lose their right to ever have this permitted walkover >> 30 seconds >> again forever. I mean, you have to consider that, you know, things happen. People get sick. Uh this isn't everyone's priority in their life. And
so I think it would be very unfair to revoke someone's permit because they they failed to meet the second date for the application. And that's the only comment that I'd make. And so I'd love to hear the response to that. >> I'd like to respond to that. I I'd like
to just, you know, I think $100 for for the record, those of you who may not know it, $100 is the permit fee. And if you don't pay it on time, you pay more. So, pay it on time or you lose it. And if you have a sickness, you have an
emergency, reach out to us. No one here is unreasonable. And this is as good as it's going to get. So, thank you very much. And I don't think $100 is it's it's ridiculous that it's only $100. I wish it was $10,000, but it's a hundred.
So, because that's all we can do. So, my my advice to you is just take it or leave it. Thank you. Is there anybody else on Zoom who would like to speak? Oh, >> say something. >> We could just hang on. We'll come back
to the room. >> Some reason Bruce is I'm trying to unmute you. >> I will just say that for the audience, Mr. Mr. Robertson has been a bit combative in the past and so I'm sorry that I don't typically speak this way, but I it's just got my my Irish up so
and my Italian. Bruce, did you want to say something or were you just trying to be unmuted? >> No, I mean I was just going to add again, it's the $100 fee by April 1st. So you have four months of the calendar year to apply for it and then if you miss it, you know, you have another
three months to be grandfathered in. So I don't think it can be seen that the bureau is like playing gotcha to try to revoke these licenses. There's a, you know, a full quarter of the year grandfather period to July 1st to be able to um if you miss the April 1st deadline.
>> Thank you, Bruce. How about anybody else on Zoom? >> Well, let me see. Anybody else on Zoom have any comments or you want to turn on your camera so I can see you? I don't see any electronic hands.
>> Okay. I believe somebody in the audience would like to speak. >> Yes, please come up. Identify yourself. >> Yeah. Susan Butler, 533 Leeward Avenue. I have followed this saga
for two and a half years off and on on Zoom. I've been very quiet about it. I have noticed there has been some bias on the part of the municipality creeping in on these discussions which I don't think
is good for your portrait to the town. I understand everybody argues they don't like either the number of dune crossovers that there are or perhaps the way that the oceanfront owners cross over and perhaps the oceanfront owners
are a tad bit combative about it but I think we all need to be a little quieter about it. I think the ordinance is where as as good as it's going to get. Uh I applaud
everybody who got it this far. I think we should just move forward with it. >> That's trying to do. >> Okay. Not $10,000 worth or 1,000 or anything else. It's kind of an unfair comment. So that's my comment.
>> Thank you. Anybody else in the room? Miss Simon, you just came in. >> Thank you. I'm sorry I'm late. Um, but I >> Will you please state your name and address? >> Yes. My name is Laura Simon, 123 Chatssworth Avenue. Want to applaud you
all. I know you have so many of these issues and they're really difficult to grapple with. Um, I am vehemently opposed and as is our family to these private dunes crossovers. I'm a wildlife
ecologist and what I see is we have dunes that are in serious trouble and these private crossovers make absolutely no sense because there are public crossovers at the end of every street. So right now, you know, I've heard the
issue. People have said, "Well, there they were allowed before and people had them." But hey, we're in a really bad state right now with our dunes. They are in critical condition. We need to We spent millions trying to replenish them,
to reveate the dunes. We're we're failing in many ways. I look at my the end of my own street. It's a cliff. You know, we need to prioritize restoring the dunes. This is a luxury that this bureau cannot afford and it's
unnecessary. I mean, I ask all of you, why are these private crossovers at all necessary when there is a public crossover at the end of every block? And if you allow these 21 people to be
grandfathered, what about the next, what is it, 59 beachfront homeowners who are going to want the real estate boost and the ability to have their own private crossovers? How are you going to tell them, hey, you know, no, you can't have
it because this is damaging to the dunes, but yes, these 21 people for $100 a year can have their own private exclusionary crossover. I'm also greatly concern concerned about the fact that the this is public property that these
things are crossing over. Some of it is private property, but the bulk of it is publiclyowned property. And it doesn't make any sense to me legally or otherwise why we are allowing this luxurious, preferential,
exclusionary walkway system to occur over our public um land. I'm homeowners. We've been here, you know, 59 years. The dunes are vitally important and you know they need to you really I know in your
your role as trustees I'm asking you to please think of all of us and and not in a preferential way please um prioritize the protection of the dunes. I do have some um concerns. >> Oh good god. You know what the other
side has had an um executive session with you for an hour. You know a lot of time with you. All right. Um, walkways have never been a problem. We have never had dunes in such critical condition. So, that's a moot argument. Um, these
private walkways are insured by public easements. No, they are not. You have been told by deep and others, you have the ability to restrict these. You are completely within your rights, your authority to eliminate them. And right now is the time to eliminate them
because we have to focus on re um replenishing and re re you know restoring our dunes and they're in critical condition. This ordinance needs to not pass. Please do not pass it. For
the sake of our dunes and our homes and to protect the lovely landscape that we all need and enjoy here in Beach Haven. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Anybody else? >> Does anyone else on Zoom have anything
to say about this? >> Do have a lady here. >> Oh, sorry. One more person in >> in the audience. >> Jennifer Woods, 317 Doc Road, Beach Haven. Um, I just would like to say I agree with agree strongly with Miss Simon who spoke and it's more about the
environment. Um, anyone who has an oceanfront home, to me that is a luxury enough and you can walk a house or two to get to the public beach access. That's all. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Zoom. Last call here.
>> We don't Fran Mletki spoke. >> Okay. Can we Yeah, just if it's round two, can we let her speak, you know? Okay. Fran, I'm trying to unmute you. >> Yeah, but let's hold it to like a minute
and a half. We've uh >> if you've already spoken. >> I'm sorry. I've I have already spoken. I was hoping that somebody else um you know from our group would speak to the fact of uh the ownership of the land uh to down to the toe of the dune, which I
know some people do. I think that there's still just a little bit of misinformation there, but I I know you folks will figure it out and I appreciate that. I I You're right. I already spoke. I'm muting myself. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Anybody else at all? This is it.
Last call. >> I don't see anyone else. >> We got one more minute. How's that? >> There there seems to be a gross misunderstanding. People seem to feel it is private land right down to the toe of
the dune. It is not. This is public land that these private walkways are tra um traversing over. Is that not correct? And if so, excuse me, >> Bruce are lawyers are lawyers on Bruce. I don't believe that is correct. I believe some
>> Well, you'd have to look at look at each one. The the point of signing the easement is that it's private land that the easement grants the Army Corps of Engineers access to that private land. So, there might be some areas where it is public land. I so I'm I'm really
speaking in broad strokes. Um but the general like philosophy behind it is is the easement is the grant of private property access rights to the Army Corps of Engineers. >> Correct. But your deep officials in
communications with this council have pointed out that it is public lands over which a lot of these private walkways are traversing. So it's our taxpayer dollars, our public land that we are funding these 21 people to do this
system where they are damaging the walkways and and reveation cannot occur at a point where it is desperately needed. Thank you. Okay. Anyone else?
>> No, I don't see anyone else. All right. Seeing none, is there a motion to approve? I lost my paperwork. >> I'll make a motion. >> Second, >> Miss Anderson. >> Yes.
>> Mrs. Bow Miller. Um, I voted no on the on the first reading. I wanted to repeal the entire ordinance and not allow private dune walkovers at all because they're not totally privately owned. They are part partially publicly owned. So I've been also opposed to this. So
I'm voting no. >> Mr. McCaffrey. >> Yes. >> Miss Snider. >> I have um I've gone around and around about this for a very long time and it's already passed because the majority is has voted
yes. I we've worked hard on this. We worked with ver uh an attorney that um came to our to us with um requests from this oceanfront group and we've worked really hard along with our attorney to
to make some compromises. Nothing new has been added to this um this this ordinance. In fact, it's it's much more about regulating. I don't think it's unreasonable since they've been there
for a long time and we've restricted the type of fencing. So, that doesn't have to be dug out. Um, they are we're going to have our Department of Public Works and our burrow engineer keep a close eye on every single one of these 21 walkovers
to make sure that they are in compliance at all times. And if not, then we'll, you know, we will remove them and they will not get their permit. certainly not going to be giving permits if um for example Belvoir and Norwood are a cliff
as you said and no one is going to get a permit during which time and this is and uh Mr. Badull, our attorney could correct me if I'm wrong. If it's, you know, det very detrimental to the dune and once that dune is replenished and restored,
then it then it will be looked at again. But I just think that this is this is a tough tough vote for me. And I am going to vote yes for this because I think it's just it's a compromise. and um and
if it's not doesn't work out the way we hope it does, then we're going to take another look at it and I would support Jamie's suggestion after that. So, yes, Mayor Lambert, thank you. Um I did a lot of research on this on the weekend. It's
all on the website. It's not being hidden there. And just to address some of your concerns, you mentioned that dunes have never been in worse shape. I was here in 1962. There were no dunes left. So 62 blew them all off the map. And we had a heck of a time rebuilding.
The Army Corps of Engineers came in, the D and everybody. And guess what? When they came in to rebuild them, despite all that devastation, they allowed them. They did not think there was a problem with the walkovers causing an issue with the erosion. Same thing with Superstorm
Sandy. You know, a lot of damage was done. We had the D, the Army Corps of Engineers, everybody had to sign easements and jump through a lot of hoops, but they never once suggested banning walkovers. Um, you know, as a condition of their
permit, all walkover owners must provide regular dune maintenance and planning. These people have taken their responsibility very seriously, and many of their dunes are in better shape than those with no walkovers. It should also be noted that as of this morning because
I went in and checked in public works that only a handful of people have even taken the burrow up on their offer for free plantings. >> So while everybody is in an uproar and worried about the dunes, very few people are actually picking up the free dune grass and planning it. I think there
were approximately six people from what we determined and four out of those six were oceanfront homeowners. So they are taking their responsibility very seriously. I admit I'm guilty too. The first three years after Sandy I planted. Then after that started hurting my back
and I stopped and obviously an awful lot of other people have too. So while we're concerned about the dune maintenance, not everybody's doing anything about it. Um you know I I think that what they are doing and some of them have done for decades
is maintaining these dunes and I'm comfortable. We work very hard to come up with this compromise and I am going to vote yes. All right, we're done. There's no more back and forth. If you want to say something in public comment, that would be the time.
>> Can I just say one more thing that I just Our public works department has worked tirelessly every day on our dunes pushing sand all summer long. I mean, there's there are no better stewards than our public works department. So I just just want to
>> Okay. Is there we have already approved it. So moving on. >> All right. We have another ordinance. It's 2025-27. It's an amendment to a bond ordinance number 2024-38. finally adopted by the burrow of Beach
Haven in the county of Ocean State of New Jersey on November 25th, 204 uh 2024 to increase the appropriation therein by $645,000 to reflect and anticipating Green Acres grants. This is also a second hearing.
Again, second hearing open to public comment. Anybody in the room care to come up and address this? Anybody on Zoom care to? I don't see anyone on Zoom for this. All >> right, seeing none, is there a motion to approve 2025-27?
>> I'll make a motion to approve 2025-27. >> I'll second. >> Miss Anderson, >> yes. >> Mrs. Bell Miller, >> yes. >> Mr. McCaffrey, >> yes. >> Miss Snyder, >> yes. >> Mayor Lambert, >> yes. >> Thank you. Um, we have resolutions uh
tonight within a consent agenda agenda. All matters listed under consent agenda are considered to be routine by the municipal council and will be enacted by one motion in the form listed. Any items requiring expenditure are supported by a cert certification of availability of
funds and any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda and discussed separately. All consent agenda items will be reflected in full in the minutes. 235-2025 opposing a proposed settlement between
NJD and 3M company regarding PFAS number 238-2025 opposing the state of New Jerseyy's misappropriation of the 911 system fees number 239-2025
reorganizing November as n sorry recognizing November as national family caregiver Number 240-2025, amending the personnel policies and procedures manual. Number 241-2025,
renewing a shared services agreement with Long Beach Township for municipal transportation system, the LBI shuttle. Number 242-2025 governing body certification of the annual audit 220 sorry 2024
number 243-2025 consenting to the issuances of amusement licenses for wayight Amusements LLC doing business as Fantasy Island Amusement Park for 2026 number 2024-25
returning piling bonds number 202 245-2025 returning remaining escros and number 246-2025 budget transfers. Okay. Is there anything that anybody
would like to pull for discussion? >> No. >> No. Right. Seeing none, is there a motion to approve the resolutions within the consent agenda? >> I make a motion to approve. Second.
>> All right. Miss Anderson, >> yes. >> Mrs. Bound Miller, yes. Mr. McCaffrey, >> yes. >> Miss Snider, >> yes. >> And Mayor Lambert, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> We have bills for approval in the amount of 1 million
um $16,00016. Everybody get a chance to review the bills? Looks like the taxes and the health benefits really drove this one up again. Um, is there a motion to approve the bills? >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Miss Anderson,
>> yes. >> Mrs. Balm Miller, yes. >> Mr. McCaffrey, yes. >> Miss Snder, yes. And Mayor Lambert, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> There's nothing for general discussion, right? >> Nothing for general discussion. >> Okay. So, that brings us to public comment. Same rules apply. Please
identify yourself, hold it to three minutes, and don't forget to speak into the microphone so they can hear you. We always start with the room since you made the effort to be here. Is there anybody in the room who would like to speak? Doesn't matter. Deb,
>> Deb Whitcraft, 528 Dock Road. Um, I just want to thank council. I mean, I just came here for something positive. I just wanted to thank the council for our unofficial dog park, which I absolutely love. My dogs love it. But DPW has done
such a wonderful job replacing the bags to pick up the doggy poop. And um some months ago I ran into a council woman Kitty Snider and she said, "You know, it'd be really cool if we had a bench here." And within a week there was
a bench. I mean, we're old, >> you know, and it's kind of able to sit down while our dogs are running. And then apparently some local people put three short benches that they added to it. >> Great. >> Which is really thoughtful. Hi. No.
Council, good job. DPW, good job. But there are some people who are using the park and uh last week my husband and I went there and picked up 10 piles of dog poop. >> Oh, no.
>> Big dog poop. So, I would just like to ask the public >> the unofficial dog park. I'm not saying it on publicly because I don't want anybody else to use it other than those who know about it. But I mean, it's just so irresponsible for if you're going to
own a dog and you're going to take advantage of what council provides and allows us to use. Don't be so lazy. I mean, pick up after your dog or don't don't have a dog or don't use the dog park. So, I just wanted to share that
with council and thank you for allowing the public use of it. I'm not going to tell you where where it's at. >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks, D. >> I just would say that it's not a dog park. It's it's it's a fenced in area where if you have a dog, your dog is welcome to run around in there and we do
provide bags and a place to sit. assign. Did you want to welcome? >> First and foremost, I want to thank you all because >> Can you please I'm sorry. Can you please state your name? >> Laura Simon 123 Chadzsworth. I want to thank you all because I know you have a
lot of interests and pressures from all of us who who come to the island. and I appreciate your your efforts to safeguard everything that we feel is valuable and all that we love about Beach Haven. So, I thank you for that. Um, in the spirit of that, I I just want
to caution you as somebody who's been coming here for almost 60 years, I feel like it can be a slippery slope. And when some of the interest pressure with lawyers and otherwise to make changes that affect the ambiance and the
ecological characteristics and and right now an ecological crisis I feel in beach haven I I just feel we need to really think very thoughtfully about what we're going to allow. And I know this crossover issue, I know you voted it in,
but I think we have to really safeguard what we feel is valuable. Our dunes are incredibly invaluable. As a wildlife ecology, I know that ecologist I know that and I feel like, you know, we we need to really be firm and stand up for
what's right. And I know you have tons of pressures upon you. So, I'm sensitive to that, but I think you need to take a strong stand as your role as trustees for Beach Haven and its environment. And I think we're at a critical point. I really do. I think we're at a point of
crisis where our dunes cannot reveate. Um, they're having a lot of trouble and we need to help them in every way. So, I encourage you in the future to please consider um reducing any detrimental impacts to our dunes and other
ecological features that are crucial for our protection and our enjoyment of the beach haven environment, which I know we all love. So, thank you for your role and thank you for your appreciate it.
>> Anybody else in the room wish to come up? Anybody on Zoom wish to make public comment about anything at all. It doesn't have to be walkovers or or dogs or anything. >> All right. I see Steve Pico.
I'm sorry. I know I'm butchering that. >> That's okay. Better than most. I have to say I'll tell you. Better than most. Yeah. My name is uh Steve Pacho. I uh live at uh one center street in the Renaissance condominium association. So
um I'm actually president of uh the of the condo association there. So I'm obviously here uh to talk about the emergency re-entry policy. Um you know uh I think I I I sent an email uh to the
mayor and council. I think a number number of other people have written and spoken as well about our view of the unfairness of this policy where where it effectively relegates condominium not effectively it does it relegates condominium owners to secondass status
as taxpayers right and I just want to reinforce that point and then and then again you know as president of the condo association there's 26 units the rule is simply untenable Right. I would need to be the one to
come down, the only one. I would have to uh be the point of contact for each owner with insurance contractors initially. It's just untenable. Um uh you know, and that's if if I'm if
I'm around. Um but I want to kind of add two other points as we as our association has talked about it um since since we first got the letter. The first one is it is my expectation that our directors and officers insurance will go
up as a result of this. Um and second we don't have a ma management company. We're all the officers me and four other people are volunteers. The regulation creates liability for me and for others
and as a result honestly I would likely not continue as as president to serve. Uh, I've been doing it five years. I've kind of gotten the hang of it, but this feels like just too much. I'd have to go into each unit once or twice a year and
inspect it. I just, you know, nobody's going to want to do that. Um, nobody others have told me they wouldn't want to serve. We'd have to likely hire a management company and incur that expense. So this policy effectively acts
as a tax on us right between increase in directors and officers insurance the need to go out and hire a management company. So it's more than you know uh uh un you know just unfair it's actually going to serve serve as a tax on it. So
I guess with all that I just wanted to reinforce those points um and understand what the status of it is. Uh I understand there was a meeting prior to the mayor and council today. Um if you could give us any perspective from all
of you how you're thinking about it, uh what the process is to finalize it would be greatly appreciated. >> I guess I can speak to that. Um we did have the meeting and uh everybody voiced their concerns and uh our emergency
management coordinator, Mr. Trump thought the best course of action and I agreed was that the emergency management team will meet with the council in executive session and we will all go over what we feel is the proper direction to take this in and it will happen pretty soon. U I don't have an
exact date um but before the end of the year we will have an answer for you. Is there any sense of uh mayor and council's view of kind of the points I've brought up and I know others have written emails
and spoken at at these meetings. Is there any any view or uh discussion we could have around it? I I want to I want to >> right now personally for me um I would rather not discuss it without the emergency management team's input with
the rest of council. I I kind of know speaking generally where most people stand, but I think it'd be ahead of the game if we went public with it right now. >> Okay. >> I I I could I would just say that we have talked about this and you could you
know it it does seem that we are you know that that most of us are certainly amendable to your situation. I mean, understand your situation and realize that it's something that we need to to work through or figure out. And I I at
this point, I personally am in favor. I wasn't at first and then when I heard the situation, I thought, well, since we allowed the uh the placards to be given out during Sandy, then it worked, you know, then we should probably do it again. But I don't know all the particulars that the emergency
management team um want to fill us in on in terms of I wasn't at the meeting today um in terms of and I don't know how they feel. I don't know what their recommendation is going to be yet whether they you know I don't so we just have to sit down at a table and hear what they have to say and then
we will make a speedy decision. And just, you know, a reminder that the placards that you have now are good until the end of the year. And certainly before the end of the year, well before that, at least by then, we will know. We will know. >> I hope that helps.
>> Okay. Does that basically answer your question? I think to the best of our ability. >> I can't basically work. we, you know, we're listening to what everybody has to say and we're taking that into account
and that's what we will bring to the table. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> We can't all meet together on this with it's it's just simply not legal violation law. So, we have to be >> we have to do it this way. So, I know
that's not what you want to hear, but that's what has to happen. Who else? >> I have um Fran Malletki. Hi. Um, there was another question that that I just had. >> Please state your name and address.
>> I'm so sorry. Bralleski, 1615 South Beach A. Um, I and I I agree with, you know, I don't feel like our dunes are in are in terrible situation here. I when I purchased my property in the late 1990s, um, I would say the dunes currently are
two and a half times larger than they were back then. And I have we were looking at photos um and and marveling at at how much these have grown over the years in a in a great way. Um the the thing is when I was planting the dune grass um just a few weeks ago um I
noticed that there is so many rabbits. There are so many rabbits there and and a lot of the grass is being eaten down by rabbits. And every time I walk my dog at night, I'm jerked here and jerked there where he's like all of a sudden noticing rabbits everywhere all over
town. I I don't really know. I mean, I know there's always been rabbits, but now there seem to be just so many rabbits. I don't know if we have any thoughts of controlling any of these populations at all because they really are impacting the dunes in a way of eating the grass. I have photos of these
where the grass is eaten pretty low and I took them while I was planting the rest of the dune grass. And I don't know if that's an issue or not if anybody's looked into that uh from that perspective in town, >> but it is because we all agree with you.
>> We we've heard this before. >> Rabbits are those >> We had the coyote problem. We didn't have rabbits. >> Yeah. Um, >> my theory is after Sandy, the feral cats were all either gone or spayed and and brought back, but there's no more feral
cats in >> I've seen I've seen one fox theory. I've seen one fox in the whole time that I've that I've been here, but I I just I don't know. There's just so and they they really are I mean the the amount of rabbit poop on my dune isable and um and
they are eating this grass. So, I don't know. But, uh they are they are in fact impacting the dune. Maybe our environmentalists could come up with a a thought on that at some at some point to help with that situation. I think it would help the Dune. >> Okay. Well, let's take the people on
Zoom first since everybody's give everybody their first time. >> Mary Lee Gaffne >> unmute. Um, good evening. This is Mary Lee Gaffffne. I'm at 26 uh uh well one Renaissance Condos unit
26 um also known as 162nd Street depending upon um who you're talking to. Um I'm I'm getting on the phone just to reiterate what Steve Pacho said about
this um the placards. Um my husband and I live up in Connecticut and um but we came down after Sandy and when we were allowed to come on the island and honestly there were not that many people
down here uh down there. So I'm kind of surprised that this is even kind of an issue. But um I just want to go on the record of saying we're not secondass citizens um because we have a condo
instead of a house. We pay taxes like everyone else depending upon the value of our home like everyone else. We're asked to contribute to the volunteer fire department, to the police department, to the ambulance squad, and
you know, we're asked to be fulltime citizens when it comes to the things that the town wants from us, but then all of a sudden now we're relegated to secondass citizens when it comes to a
situation like this. And um from an insurance perspective um you know our insurance company is not going to take Steve Pico's word for any damage they're going to want and it's going to delay if we can't get there ourselves. It will
delay our ability to get our homes back in shape, to um see what the damage is, and to, you know, so that we will end up being on the bottom of the list compared to other homeowners who happen to be
able to get there faster than we can. So, um, I just want to I'm not sure exactly why this even was an issue or what the the negative part is of giving us placards given what we saw after Sandy happened. But when I'm being asked
to contribute to all of the other organizations, especially taxes and as I say, fire department, etc., etc., um it's kind of hard for me to say, well, obviously I'm not a full citizen or a member of this community if I'm not
a full member of the community. So, just wanted to go on the record as um saying that. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Diane Flynn I'm trying to ask you to unmute here. >> Good evening. Uh, I also am a homeowner
at the Renaissance condo and just wanted to reiterate what Steve and Mary Lee mentioned. >> Can you please give me your unit number then? >> Unit 14. >> Thank you very much. So, not to belabor this, um, it's been very well stated by both Steve and Mary
Lee, but I also am on the board and share the concerns that Steve raised. And what the only other point to add is our particular building is um it would be really a burden for any one person to deal with multi level most most of those
units are multi-level to go in and out of them um up and down um significant number of flights of stairs um is an egregious you know u burden I think to one person and then a violation in our
opinion of the rights of a homeowner to oversee their own property. So, I just wanted to reiterate what's been stated already and thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? >> I'm sorry. I think there was someone
named Oh, Chris Grindrod. >> Yes. I'm at 1 Center Street, Unit 22, Renaissance Condos, and I join my uh my neighbors in uh you know, commenting on
this. I don't want to take away take any more time, you know, than is needed, but just want you to understand this is a this is this is a serious issue for us to we won't have access to our condo or our property, you know, in the event of a storm. and we will not count on the
president or some individual to try and tackle things like if our windows get broken or something like that. We need to be able to go down there and make our repairs. We we we cannot lay that on one individual, you know. So, when it's our personal property. So, just wanted to
make sure you understand this, you know, the severity of this and if you could empathize a little bit if you were in this situation, you know, how you would feel about it. when you come to, you know, have your meeting. That's it. >> Thank Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Anybody else on Zoom? >> Did you want to come? >> Anybody else on Zoom? >> I don't see anyone else on Zoom. >> Okay, real fast. >> Really, really fast. As a wildlife ecologist, >> one more time. What's your address? I'm
sorry. Simon 123. Thank you. Um, as a wildlife ecologist, I can assure you the rabbits are not damaging the dunes. You may see some rabbits on the dunes, but the reason you don't see a lot of rabbits on the dunes is because they are a prey species. They don't like to be
out in the open where predators can get them. They are not having a detrimental impact on the dunes. And I just want to clarify that because it's easy to shift blame to some creature because we don't want to look at our own impact. This is
not an example where rabbits are are doing damage and should be removed or in any way um um deterred from the dunes. They they are not the issue here. And I just want to clarify that I am a trained wildlife ecologist and when I hear things like this it just makes me
cringe. >> So thank you. >> Thank you. Um, I have another person. >> Okay. >> Um, Robin Johnson. >> Um, hi, I'm Robin Johnson. I live at 111 Holy Oak. And while we're setting the
record straight, I was hoping that the council could speak to the comments on social media about the signage that's required on the Dune walkovers. Um, you know, it's offensive to be called
elitist. Um, I personally uh uh made the effort of having signs made for my dune walkover that inserted the word please. Um, but I I think it's important for the public to know that this is a
requirement of the ordinance and I was hoping you'd speak to that. I actually at one point had that in my notes and yeah um I apologize I didn't. You are correct. It is a burrow requirement that that signage be there for the record.
>> Thank you. >> Anyone else? >> Supposed to be four inches though. >> Does specify 4 in though bigger than that. >> Okay. Well, let's >> let's call it unless there's something brand new to bring to the table. I think we need to wrap it up tonight. So,
>> um, >> okay, we're going to close the floor to public comment and we're going to go to final comments by council. And I guess tonight, Mrs. Anderson, since she led the salute. >> All right. Uh, thank you everybody for participating. These are some serious
subjects. Uh, condo owners, please be patient while we work out a equitable solution. I wouldn't call you secondass citizens by any means and thank you for uh caring about Beach Haven and contributing with
donations to the fire company, etc. I don't think um well I believe the Beach Haven uh authorities wouldn't let us back on the island when things are haphazard or dangerous or
there's gas leaks and we'll just have to listen to the word when we can come back and I do hope you get placards. Um and we will be meeting with emergency management as you know soon. And as to the dune walkover issue, uh Laura, thanks for your comments. I think you've
planted a seed. >> Jamie, your diligence um voting no sets an example to president. And uh I have heard some owners say that even have a dune walkover. We don't need it. So perhaps in the future they won't renew their permit and do the right thing
because there are conscientious people out there. So, I thank you for planting a seed and those that have them love them and they are entitled to them. So, right now that's where we are and thanks for coming. Oh, tomorrow's Veterans Day. If you want to come to the park at 10:30, bundle up, but we'd like to see
you there. >> Thank you, Mrs. Buller. >> Thank you, Lori. I just wanted to also um echo what you stated with the uh condo owners. I have received your emails. I I'm pretty sure I responded to mostly all of them, but you you are
being heard. I just want to let you know that I I I hear you. I understand where you're coming from and we will come together with our professionals and we will definitely have a decision for you promptly. Um, as far as everything else
to end on kind of a a positive here. It is the most wonderful time of the year is coming up. And you know, our big season has ended, but now we have this mini season coming up, our Christmas season. There's new competition. There's a gingerbread competition. There's a um
a light competition, both hosted somewhat by the Surflight Theater. But I encourage everyone to go to visit visit Beach Haven's website. We'll have stuff on our website. Use social media as a positive and come together as a community. We have, you know, um the
Christmas tree lighting, all these dates I'll have for you at our next meeting right before Thanksgiving and kind of, you know, go over them for you. But there's um tons of uh toys for tots. There's that we collect for for the children as well. So, let's you know,
end on a positive and uh I look forward to the season coming up. >> Thank you, Mr. McCaffrey. Okay, I'd like to thank everybody for all their comments, whether it was the walkovers or for the placards to get
back on the island. We do listen to you and especially now that and we're going to be talking with um the emergency management on the placards and stuff and see what we can get straightened out there. As far as the walkovers,
we are thinking about the dunes. We're I mean we've met with the uh DA the EPA and had all their guidelines and what their suggestions were as far as I know there was a question with the fence on top of the dunes. They don't want it.
They explained why because all the the sand builds up there and it doesn't flow down like it should. So that was some of the stuff that we had worked in to the you know this um we'll call it a compromise. um
the PE without the people on the ocean front planting the dunes, planting the vegetation and stuff, that is what holds everything together. Now, if you were here during Sandy afterwards, everywhere there was vegetation, it didn't break through. Where the
vegetation wasn't there, that's where it was just coming straight down the streets or coming in between the streets. As far as looking at and working with the beaches and stuff, these dunes are way are so much further out than they've ever been before. If
before they did the replenishment, these things have to be 30 40 ft past where they were before. We're working on other things with the beaches, with the jetties. One of the biggest things, we went to a meeting and it was extending the jetties to hold us in. We are
working on that. We're working. The beaches are what Beach Haven is. I mean, that's that's why everybody comes here. So, that's what we are looking to preserve. And we want to keep the dunes to save everybody's houses. And I I like the
fact that these people are actually doing work on the dunes to protect everybody's house. So, thank you everybody. >> Thank you, Mr. McCaffrey, Mr. Snider. >> Well put everyone. Um, I um agree with all of my fellow council members. I
thank everyone for coming tonight and for your comments. I apologize that I got a little heated, so I do apologize for that. It was it was uh inappropriate. Won't happen again. Um, thank you to all of our veterans. Um,
really, um, I can't thank you enough for your time that you have served. We do have a the mayor will speak to that, I'm sure, when she speaks. Um, I want to thank Sherie Bowler, um, Jenny Klein, Colleen McN, our entire finance department. Um, they've done such a
great job as they always do, um, certifying the annual audit with, you know, um, gold star there as well. Um, don't forget to pick up your dongrass at the public arts department and go birds.
Good one. Um, again, it's all been said and I've spoken plenty tonight, so I don't want to take up too much time. I do thank you all for coming and I think Mr. Simon you actually made a physical trip down here just for this meeting correct. >> Um so thank you and as I said placards the walkovers we've been listening we've
been listening for a long time and uh it will get resolved with the placards too. Thank you all and the Veterans Day service as you've already heard numerous times is tomorrow. It begins at 10:45 I believe. Um we're going to be there at 10:30 and dress warm because it's going
to be brutally cold out. So, thanks again. Is there a motion to dismiss? >> I make a motion to dismiss. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Okay.