[Music] Should I take over from here? Nor then say, okay. Um, let's do a roll call. Oh, first of all, pursuant to New Jersey Public Open Meetings Act, adequate electronic notice of this meeting has been provided by posting on the bulletin
board in Municipal Building on the Burough website and mailing the same to the Beach Haven Times, Asbury Park Press, and the Press of Atlantic City. Now, the roll call. Miss Anderson here. Mrs. Ball Miller here. Mr. McAffrey
here. Mr. Snder here. And Mayor Lambert's here, too. Um, okay. But we do have a presentation which I know many of you are anxious to see. So thank you for your forbearance. And this is um for the emergency operations center, the old Coast Guard station as many of you know
it. And architects Zach McKenzie and Dave Clark are here engineer Frank Little. Are we able to get that up on the screens now? We're good to go. Not sure. Maybe want to reverse the order of things.
We just need We should do this. While we're waiting, I think I have the correct information for the treasures report. Um, in the current fund, there is $5,943.72. in the water operating
510 and for a total of 6,45372. The current fund has 97,39161. Water operating 12,66756 and sewer operating 4,25.96 for a total of two year uh 114,26513. Our capital fund is
84,051. Um there's a $90 charge in there for something. And the grand total of all funds is 204,86053. Thanks. Uh while we're working on this, has everybody on the council had a chance to review the minutes? Yes. Yes. Okay. Is
there a motion to approve the minutes from February 10th, February 27th, and executive session on February 27th? Make a motion. I'll second it. Okay. Kitty. All in favor? I
I Okay, let's move on to the resolutions within the consent agenda. Um, all matters listed under uh the item consent agenda are considered to be routine by municipal council and will be enacted by one
motion in the form listed. Any items requiring expenditure are supported by a certification of availability of funds and any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda and discussed separately. All consent agenda items will be reflected in the full
minutes. All right. Um 72205 authorizing to advertise for bids for the 2025 EOCC renovation project which we will be hearing about shortly. So we might pull that one. Um
establishing 20 I'm sorry 92-2025 establishing the rate of pay for substitute magistrate. 93-2025 awarding a contract to PMC Associates Wireless Communications under
state contract 83 83,900 and approving expenditure in the amount not to exceed 258,6468 for the purchase of uh portable radios 95-2025 acknowledging the hiring of Lauren McDonald as part-time violations
clerk for the municipal report 98-2025 accepting a separation agreement for employee ID PG APG A015 99-2025 authorizing the execution of a
contract addendum to the service agreement with USG water solutions for a full service maintenance program for water storage vessels in Beach Haven 100-2025 5 awarding 2025 licenses for ice cream
vending. 1012025 authorizing the Burough Beach Haven Police Department to participate in the FY2025 underage alcohol education and enforcement initiative which is ABC-4-25
1025 authorizing participation in and execution of agreement with Somerset County Cooperative Purchasing System number two-sc CP 103 2025 approving membership to the Beach Haven Volunteer Fire Company
number one junior membership 106 2025 authorizing the sale of a new plenary retail consumption license with theater exception that's number 37 and 107 2025
authorizing the award of new plenary plenary retail consumption license with theater exception to ocean profession professional theater company and 108205 authorizing an executive session to discuss potential litigation with the
ACE best situation. Um just for clarification purposes 106 and 107 the plenary license they're both for the surflight. Um, and because of our uh technical difficulties and waiting for the presentation, I think we should pull
um 72205 for now and get back to that one later. Beyond that, does anybody have any uh anything they'd like to pull for discussion? Okay, everything. No. Is there a motion
to approve the consent agenda? I'll make the motion with the exception of Right. Yes. with the exception of 72-2025. I make a motion to approve consent agenda everything but 72-2025. Okay. Is there a second? Second. Okay.
Um, Mrs. Anderson, yes. Mrs. Ball Miller, yes. Mr. McAffrey, yes. Mrs. Snder, yes. And yes for Mayor Lambert. Okay. Did everybody have a chance to look over the bills? Yes. Yes. Any questions or concerns on those?
No. Is there a motion to approve the bills? I make a motion to approve our bills. I'll second. Okay. Mrs. Anderson, yes. Mr. Speaker, yes. Mr. McAffrey, yes. Miss Snder, yes.
And Mayor Lambert, yes. Okay. Now, we're up to general discussion. Um, are we ready to go with the EOC though? Okay. Gentlemen, thank you so much for your patience. And as I said, tonight we have um the gentleman in charge, our
architects and design, uh Zach McKenzie, Dave Clark, and our burough engineer, Frank Little. And they'll tell us about our EOC project. Thank you. All right. Can everyone hear me? There you go. [Music]
architect. Right about there. Can everyone hear me? Yes. Thank you, Mary Lambert. So, we were commissioned by Beach Haven to uh design a new addition and alterations to the
existing emergency operations building uh down at 420 Pelum Avenue, not a couple blocks away from here um in which we have done. So, so the original project is I think might be too far away. There we go. Just need a different
angle. Or or was that you [Music] going to shift? I might need to get a bit closer. Thank you, Dave. [Music] It's
always the next page. All right. So, this is the current site at 420 Pelum Avenue. Um and essentially the building is separated into two distinct sections. The east wing that won't show the the east wing which is presented on the right side of
the plan and the west wing that is presented on the left side of the plan. So the scope of this project was to renovate the west portion of the building while no scope work was included on the east wing. Eastwing currently is a one-story building elevated above the ground level uh
supported by timber piles whereas the west building is largely a concrete structure that's elevated which contains three stories with all the primary spaces being elevated above grade. So the project here is to renovate the entire west wing of the
building as well as to provide an addition on the west end um to provide other critical spaces such as a secondary means of regress to the building an elevator access and multi-user toilet rooms
page. So there's 110 drawings here. So we're going to kind of go through them a little bit quickly. We're going to stop at some of the more important ones and talk about the actual scope of everything that's going on and some of the complications of the project. Keep going.
I'll let you know when to stop. So yes, everything here is basically the foundation plans, how we're looking to support the ex the new found new addition in which we're posing to be constructed. uh which is essentially a masonry building supported by pile caps
um supported by timber piles uh driven 55 ft into the ground. It's going to be a little bit lazier. A little bit more. Okay, one more.
All right. So, essentially, as I mentioned earlier, the west wing is broken up into three different levels. Uh, we're calling those lower level, main level, and upper level. So, essentially at the lower level, you have two entrances entrances to the west building. Uh, one on the left hand side, and one on the right hand side. The one
on the lefth hand side is housed within the addition, whereas the one on the right hand side is um the existing staircase that's to be renovated and retrofitted to meet accessibility code standards. Um so essentially in this design uh we were tasked with updating the building
which um by code standards we need to do a variety of things which was to include a secondary means of egress multi-user toilet rooms um as well as an elevator for emergency exits. So during the course of the design uh various locations were proposed for the location
of this addition. Um however there's complications when working with existing buildings. um and what the limitations o of modifying existing structures. And every time that you try to modify a building, uh you have to
bring it to the most current standard of code and in doing so makes a building much more expensive to deal with because an old building such as this is not really designed to our newer standard of code. So with budget in mind as well as trying to meet the needs of the burrow
for the merchant operations center, uh the most economical and logical place to put this addition was on the west end of the building uh which allowed us to not quite connect it but hover off about 2 in which allows these buildings to be connected but not impacting one another
structurally. So essentially this building is being renovated to supply six dormitories which are in the left hand side of this building just right at that up to that addition. Can everybody see that green dot or no? Okay, great. When you show it
on screen, it's faint. Certainly faint. Oh, that one's better. So on the left hand side, as I mentioned, this is the addition. Our six dormitories are essentially going to be located just past this addition um with
all of the emergency management operations center being located on the right end of the west portion of the building. Um so essentially the renovation of the building is to supply new finishes, flooring, ceilings, updating wall finishes throughout um and
really kind of bring this building back to uh working in habitable conditions. Yes. And so these are kind of the enlarged plans. Can you go back one, please? Um, which kind of can give us a little bit better picture and more
detail of what we're looking at. Yeah. So, this is the right end of the building closest to the east end, which is the former lifeguard station. Um, and here we have the meeting room with a fully operational commercial kitchen, communications room,
and a mini conference room. And really the purpose of that meeting room is to be a multi-purpose function space um with a existing divider partition wall that could be used for emergency management operations um or meetings or a variety of different uh
functions. Um and this is the west portion of the building where we have our addition on the left with the dormitories on the right. Um there are six dormitories that can house um approximately three to four occupants each. So the existing roof on this
building is uh approximately 20 25 years old which is at the end of its serable serviceable lifespan. Um so within this project we are reconstruct or rebuilding sorry not rebuilding replacing the roof uh entirely with a SPS modified built-up
roofing system which is a low slope system that is currently in place now. So the other major component of this project is the exterior where it's going to receive a variety of exterior upgrades. Yeah. Keep going. Keep going. Got like four more sheets to
go. So, here we go. So, these are the exterior upgrades. So, essentially right now the building uh at this portion of the building is an exterior brick facade. Um and what we're looking to do is to include a new raincreen system, which is just really a fancy way of saying that we're going to insulate the
exterior of the building uh and protect it from the elements. And in doing so, we're going to create a new aesthetic on the outside um that's uniform and cohesive. Um and that exterior raincreen system is um essentially a panel system using high density laminate um that's
you that could be colored in a variety of different ways and have different um textures. And Dave's gonna kind of bring out samples here, but this allows us to be flexible with the appearance of the exterior where it can kind of have that wood grain that's similar to what's seen
throughout the burrow. Sure. Um, and incorporate some other elements such as uh standing sea metal roofs with blue hues um to make the building pop a little bit. Yeah, these are some these are some
color choices that you can have. Um, color gets selected after after the bid and the contractor has has the option to select different manufacturers. So, you have to select what's available at the time. Um, but I did I did want to add something. I I'm
sure I'm loud enough. um that the whole uh intent of this rain screen is it has a the it's reminiscent of a u a beveled wood siding. A a what do you call a board siding? Yes. Um
clapboard. Clapboard is the word I was looking for. Can I ask you can we ask questions as we go? Sure. Absolutely. Is this I know back we were talking about using the same sighting they currently have on Southern Ocean County Meridian So hospital. Are we Is that what you're
proposing? Is and is it going to be wavy the way that is wavy? No. No. So this will be a flat system but is it is similar. It's a similar type of panel system. Is that something that someone would be interested in? Uh not me. No. The idea definitely not me. We want
the building to fit in would be cheap. Yeah. Because that would not fit in. Yeah. I mean, you there's other options. You real wood things like this is low maintenance and it'll still look good. It's going to work well. Test them around. Yes, absolutely.
And what's the the width and these panels? Um, so they vary greatly. You can get them in a variety of different sizes up to, I believe, six foot in length by 4 in 6 in in height. So, kind of a longer, skinnier panel.
Yeah. The idea is in construction, we'll choose a wood texture with some sort of um I earth tone. And just to clarify something else, too. Um there's there's gaps in between. So,
you'll see some space in between the horizontal uh boards and that's why it's called a raincreen system. It actually lets moisture get through it and then down along the wall and it comes out at the bottom. So it's sort of like it's an
open open system. So exactly it'll be like that like a clapboard or you could have the gaps in between. So I think that's a lab type. So that sort of system is going to be applied to the entire exterior which will bring that up to
uh energy efficiency standards of today. Uh in addition to that throughout the entire building the windows are going to get replaced with more uh functional and operate functional and aesthetic windows that will match with white trim.
Um, and at the bottom where it was it not where it's open, but where it's elevated, uh, we followed FEMA standards to include breakaway panel systems that are essentially painted plywood plywood with trim. So that entire bottom portion that you see below the the main
building. Um, those are all breakaway panels. So in the case of a flood, you know, no damage should result to the building. Can you mention that show us where how high how high will those panels be? Are they just so higher than typical on a
house? Can you see that green dot near the top here? No. All right. The breakaway panels though. So, do you see that? Saying that they're they're actually the same as they already are. So, I similar any higher. It's the same.
No, same height. So, yeah, we're not changing the actual structure of the building in any capacity. One one thing that we are doing though is if anybody's familiar with the building and you see that white band that kind of splits the building into two sections uh vertically. There's the
horizontal lower part with the columns. Then there's that white band that goes across. That white band right now has uh beams that uh stick out beyond the columns transversely. We're going to cut those back. And then this band that you
see is a cladding that's going to cover that up. So you're no no longer going to see the uh concrete that's now sping and you know has some issues with it. Rather than repairable having painted, we're going to cut that off and and trim it out. Um it will stick out proud. It will
look like a beam. Um that that is the design intent there. So it might be a little bit easier to see. Yep. To zoom in a little bit. Yep. That helps. Yeah. So, so the area that he's talking about, if everybody can see the cursor, is this area?
So, that's the existing concrete beam structure that supports the existing building above. So, essentially, you won't be seeing the concrete anymore. Everything will be flashed in cellular PVC materials. Low maintenance. You don't want to have to have a lot of maintenance. We've learned
lessons over the years. So make things uh as hands off as possible. So in addition on the exterior uh we are reconstructing some exist ex existing exterior stairs that are present that are in disrepair on the site. Um, you can see those on the
bottom right elevation labeled the west elevation. So you can go to next drawing. So keep sections. Yep. So these are just some of the building sections that we um had to draw to kind of figure out the
construction uh of what the existing building is, how our new building ties in um any any other sort of complications that had to be resolved as a result of the upgrades. So, in addition to this, there's a fully mechanical upgrade to the building, uh,
supplying new DOAS and RTUs or rooftop units, um, as well as a diesel generator with a 96-hour day tank to support the operation center. Um, and as a requirement of the project with the given the uses and the areas of the building, um, essentially
the entire dormatory portion is sprinklered with a a wet pipe system while the area below is sprinklered with a dry system. Um all all fixtures throughout are being uh removed and replaced uh with new uh
toilets, lavatories, showers, etc. Um a new boiler with a recircul uh recirculation pump is being included so that way at any time hot water could be available uh without major delays.
Oh, Zach, you mentioned a DOS. So I wanted to clarify what that is. It's an acronym for dedicated outside air system and it's one of the um it's one element that's required by the the rehabilitation sub code uh that we
provide certain uh certain ventilation requirements. The original building is old. This is all new HVAC systems. Um and the outside air ventilation is one of the requirements. Yes. In addition, there's a dehumidification system as well. So that
way the interior stays intact. Keep going. So, these are just some sections to uh that new stair that's being proposed in the addition. Um, and you can see at the bottom the the size of the pile caps and and a portion of the piles that would be
supporting the new addition and building. So, that's our existing Sarah being renovated. Can you go back to that just to I want to kind of show how that stair works. Go back one more. Yeah, the existing.
Yeah, that one. Yeah, that's our that's our entrance on the west side. That's our new stair. Uh the elevator lobby's Nope. That one's already existing. Oh, this one's the existing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The previous one is the new one that we go back.
It's okay. You can go back one more, please. Oh, sorry. One more. I think it's 304. Yes, there we go. So, this is our new stair uh shown on the right. So, the door that you see on the right hand of that section is essentially out to that elevator lobby that Dave was
referencing. So, that entire area serves as is a way to the upper level or main level of the building. There's no stairs to the ground. So that um that plane is the ground at the bottom of the stair. So that could that could exit straight out to the outside
the to the public way. So really the stair up where the stair ends at the top that's the main level of the building because all the function all the primary function spaces are elevated above ground. What is the elevation of the first one?
uh 14.9 ft above flood elevation and our design flood elevation at this location is 11 ft above sea level. That's what those lines indicate on there the drawings. Yeah. just to explain to everybody looking at the
doors which but you can explain what the since they asked the question you explain what the lines mean. All right. So can everybody see the the horizontal lines that kind of cut through the entire drawing. Uh and on
the left hand side you'll you'll see they all line up quite nicely and there's text given at each location. So essentially there what we're documenting is the elevation of certain items. So the first one that you see there that is the uh the where the finished floor of
the new addition is at the lower level that meets the ground. So then as you go up that next one that is the base flood elevation which is represented at 9 ft above sea level. The one above that would be the 11 foot as mentioned is the design flood
elevation. And so anytime that we have um mechanical elements or emergency operation equipment, it would all be at a minimum of that elevation. So it's all supported above the ground. So that way in a case of a flood, nothing's
damaged. Um and then the upper line that aligns with kind of where the finished floor of the building is is the finished floor of the main level. And the ones at the top are are more for uh contractors during bidding. So that way they know the heights of the
walls, the heights of the steel that needs to be in place um to get accurate bid information. You said the floor is at 14 14.9 ft above sea level. What is the ground level? Ground is approximately 6.65 ft above sea level. So there's almost an 8
foot six. What's the total height? uh 27 feet from lower level to the top of the upper level. 27.
That's the building. Yes. The building height of the addition. No, that's Yes. So the the addition is actually a slightly lower than the existing three-story portion of the existing building. So the highest point the
highest point is 27. Yes. Right. That's exist. Correct. Uh so here are just some interior elevations of what we're planning to do with the toilet rooms. Um new fixtures, new lavatories, um epoxy coated walls, so that way
they're durable finishes. Um and epoxy floor system um that's kind of wrapped up along the base. Um, and essentially what that provides you is um, no breaks within your floor. So, it helps prevent mildew and and bacteria growth where
just sort of a monolithic finish. Exactly. I I also I think that this might be a good opportunity if I could talk for a second. This might be a good opportunity. Could you use a microphone? Yeah, I will. People on Zoom. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. No, I'll use this one. That's fine. So, okay, as we went through the design process, one of the things that became apparent is that cost is an issue with with the project. So, we wanted to make sure that we could stay on budget as close as possible as
we went through and things of course as you go through a design like this with a very complex building, things tend to add up and grow. So, we looked at areas where we could keep things minimized. And as Zach had said, he mentioned that the walls in the bathrooms, the
restrooms would be um epoxy paint um on the masonry walls. And that is in order to save money over what we had originally planned to have some ceramic tile on the walls and ceramic tile on
the floors or we even considered epoxy at that time too because of what Zach said. It's it's it's a good material to use. So, that's just one of the many decisions that we made to keep within budget. And I just wanted everybody to know that um this is going to be a a
greatl looking interior and exterior of the building. Uh there we don't want to uh necessarily cut corners, but where we could, we made sure that we made decisions that were in interest of of the budget. So, I just I just think
that's and I it should be noted that none no finishes that we're providing are um of luxury quality. Everything's um an attempt to be as affordable as possible given the areas. Obviously, um in
certain areas such as toilet rooms or or the kitchen area, um some materials are s more suitable than others. Um but there's still the range of cost that we have the ability to pick from. Um, so as Dave mentioned, one of the options in these areas was tile, which is tends to
be a little bit more expensive than the options that we pursued. Um, and as Dave mentioned, that's kind of echoed throughout the entire project, even the exterior system. Um, you know, the rainscreen system is a great way to solve many problems such as uh, insulation,
protecting the existing building, and providing a new fresh look. Um, but it is one of the middle more middle-of the road options that we had looked at during the design process and worked out with the council. Keep going. Yep. So, the many of this is just kind
of um construction drawings, not necessarily showing kind of the full scope of of what this project entails. So, we're going to kind of breeze through some of this stuff. You just keep going. and I'll let you know when to stop. Zach, will this be on our website that if anybody wants to look it up from home or help? Uh, yes, we we
have we can provide digital and hard copies to the burrow. Um, I'm not sure if you would like us to upload directly to the website or just provide to a specific member about that, but I know it's kind of hard to see. I'm right here and I can and I think it might be easier if some people could actually get a
chance to look at it up close. Yeah, with with 110 drawings, uh it you could spend quite a bit of time looking at every individual piece, which we encourage people to do. So, um there's a lot of moving parts with the project. Um and we did our best to document all of the existing conditions um and how we
were going to tie in to make it um not only feasible, but to make sure that when this project goes to bid um we get very competitive bids and it's effective for the budget. So, this is just kind of how the the roof is detailed. Um, how we're going
over removing the existing roof and installing new with insulation values to match current energy codes um as well as that rain screen system. Um, so basically on the right hand side of these details, if you look at the one on the bottom right for example, uh you'll see kind of those uh squares that are
all lined up. That's the existing face of the brick of the existing building. Everything to the right of that is our new raincreen system. So you'll see kind of those um wavy lines back and forth, that's the insulation in the rolls. And then to the
right of that, you'll see that thin dark line. And that's actually the thickness of the panels that we're showing you here today. going. Keep going. So basically these drawings we're getting into the MEPFPS portion which is essentially the mechanical, electrical,
plumbing and fire protection elements of the project. Um so as I mentioned before the the there's a limited area fire suppression system essentially just on the dormatory portion of the building. Uh and included that we are required to have a fire pump on the building which
is going to be located on the main level above flood plane elevation. And given all the upgrades that we're providing to the building, uh we are providing a new dedicated electrical service just to the west portion of this building which will help support the the
doash units, the rooftop units, um the fire pump, the automatic transfer switches, the generator, um everything that's would be required to operate this building as an emergency management center. And we keep going. We'll get to the roof
soon. Couple more. And now we're getting into the mechanical portion of the project. Uh where essentially every room is going to be a new conditioned space. And we could go back one back
two. Here we go. So this is the zoom into the plan itself. So when you do the scroll wheel, you have to hold the control button. There we go. So, this is essentially a roof plan showing um the new mechanical units that are going to
be housed on the roof as well as the duct work that's going to be run on top of the roof to supply the condition or the spaces with conditioned air. I'm not sure how many people have been into that building. Um but essentially the where the floor is in
relation to the roof structure above there's not a lot of height. Um, and one of the things about new duct work is it tends to be a little bit bulky to supply the necessary air to to condition the space. So, the solution for that rather than lowering all the ceilings below an
allowable code level uh code level uh is to have all of this equipment on the roof, run all the duct work on the roof and drop it below the roof into those spaces directly. Keep going. A little bit more. One. Two more. Ah, here we go. So, this is uh an
electrical site plan. And what this is showing is just above that building is where the new generator is going to be located. Um so it's going to be on site just slightly um adjacent to the building where the existing one is set on a concrete platform at the elevation
of the building. Yes. So that is going to be raised above flood plane elevation. Um, it's going to be supported by uh essentially a big concrete pile cap that's supported by uh timber piles driven into the ground approximately 55 ft.
Uh the piles or the generator. Um so the generator will be connected all the connections are made above the flood elevation. So I'm sorry where tell can you kind of start over with this one? Where is it? Where is this? So this is um the site of the building. So, um,
that like hatch in the center of the of the plan where it says emergency operations center, that's the building that we're working with. That's the west bu west wing of the building. Um, so then if you just travel a little bit north of there, sort of towards the
center and to the left, you'll see a box and there's a bunch of text that's kind of pointing to that. That's where the new generator is going to be located. So typically generators have a code requirement to be set away from buildings. So that's why it's not directly in the building or adjacent to
the building. That's the rectangle, right? Yes, that's um that rectangle. Yes, um that might be the transformer for the generator.
Um maybe you want to zoom in a little bit then. Yeah, there you go. Those are grounding rods. Yes. Yeah. So, all the electrical conduits are run underground, but the connections are made above. Yes. Correct. Above.
the existing connecting rods, could they be faulty at all? Are they aged out or they don't wear out? Connecting rods, I don't know. Um, like the lightning rods for ground the grounding rod. Um, yeah. So,
electric equipment needs to be ground in for surges and things of that nature. So, it just helps protect the system from any sort of um fluctuations. And then in the event of lightning strikes, it allows um basically that current path to ground because that's ultimately what
it's trying to do. Oh, I I think is what you're asking is can we reutilize an existing one that exists? Well, it sounds like you were that's what it sounded like. So, I didn't know if Right. Yeah. I wouldn't trust so considering that we can't see it. I wouldn't trust that it's or up to
current code standards. So, I'm sure that that's what our engineers could do as well. So, Mr. Freeman, do you have a question? Matt. Yeah. So, I'm sorry. Did you say that you were going to put the air conditioning unit on the roof and then
Yes. Correct. Yes. Um, so the issue is it would be below below flood elevation. So where where the ground is and so the ground is we'll just say 6
feet. Um the flood is about 5t above that. So any equipment that we need needs to be elevated about 5 ft above the ground level. Right. Yes sir. [Music] Um I want to say yes. That was that was
the intent of the diesel generator that we have. Um yes operation center. So yes. Yes. Not the wooden part just No. Yeah. The the west end because we're we're
basically providing a new electrical service just for this renovated portion of the building which the gener will serve entirely. Yes. Um, and where is the transfer? Oh, probably right inside the building electrical. Yeah. So, there's an existing mechanical electrical room.
It'll be located there with the boilers and other equipment. I believe that. Yes, sir. Yes. So equipped with the generator is a 96-hour day tank. So essentially there will be enough fuel to run that generator for 96 hours.
It's underneath the tank. So basically the tank is just really tall, which helps us because we're trying to make sure that any of the equipment is above that flood plane elevation. A little bit above. Yeah.
Yeah. So basically the way we we had it is we lifted it up a certain amount um to ensure that any sort of um connections or valves for that tank itself would be above that flood plane elevation so that way it couldn't be compromised.
Yeah, good questions. Yeah, very good questions. Um and we actually do have um sort of sections through that generator to show you what that all looks like. Um it's way in the back though. Um we could bring that up real quick if you'd like.
So we did look at the dual fuel. It was um the original intended design to provide that and we had that um for a large portion of the project. Um but due to budgetary constraints, we did end up switching to a diesel fuel generator, single fuel.
How much more did that cost? Like how much more of the budget? How much like what was the differential for that? Um let's talk about we could talk about that. Like let's find out the exact figures off the top of my head. I'm not entirely sure, but I want to say it was in the ballpark range
between 30 and $50,000. Well, and was there what would be the two fuels? So, uh, it was natural gas. Propane and diesel or propane. We had some natural gas. Yeah. Yes. So in the addition of that the once we added the dual fuel it
was a matter of storage stoaging the second fuel on site as well which um would have led us to two propane tanks which we would also have to cast foundations for because those would be set on the ground or elevated um and essentially once they're anchored to
that concrete it would have to resist sort of a buoyance force in the in event of a flood to make sure it doesn't float away. So there was a additional cost not only associated with the generator but the supporting structure. Um so during the design one of the
things mentioned during Sandy is that the natural gas was shut off and they didn't want to have an occurrence where they were relying on a utility that was turned off. Right. Because when your houses were compromised, gas. That's true. Yeah.
Thanksgiving day, Mike. So, some of these are just lighting plans. It's a full LED upgrade to the building. Uh go back to sorry. Uh and essentially this plan is is the new power
uh work plan. So it's showing uh all the locations of the of the outlets and data throughout the building. So as you can see in the meeting room, there's there's essentially data and phone jacks spaced at six foot on center. So essentially
during an emergency that becomes the the primary operation center. And that's probably getting towards the end of it. So, um, could you jump back to it's probably like the 12 page.
It's AO 106, I believe it is. We can get back to the plan so that way people can kind of take a look at that. The numbers on the bottom right. A106. So in the fives got to go up. Yep. Almost
there. One more. Two more. There we go. So just kind of bringing it back to the the plan view so everybody can take a look. And if there's other questions, we can certainly answer them. So we do expect the construction
duration to be approximately nine months. Um so aligning that with the current schedule of the project, it construction should be completed before summer of next year if the resolution to go to bid is passed. And of course everyone wants to
know the cost. I know will be preliminarily um if you want to share that the estimated cost. We do estimate the cost to be um in the $5 million ballpark. Um however, it's very tough to say because lately there's been a lot of volatility in the construction bids. Um
part of that is due to what seems to be an abundance of work for contractors. Um, so they're not necessarily um they don't want hard work and this is definitely a building that's not easy to deal with. Existing conditions always a little bit tricky.
Um, in addition to that, there's uh supply shortages. Copper in the past month has gone up about 30% in price. Um, in addition to that, tariffs have also impacted costs so far, and we don't know what the the future entails for that. So,
um, bids can come in lower. We try to be very conservative with our estimates. Um, but on the same same coin, it could come in higher. We won't know until those bids come in. Thank you. And hopefully there's a lot of competition for it.
Okay, there was a lot to digest there. Um, is there anybody on the floor who would like to ask any other questions or comments? Jim Um, so we are supplying power for future upgrades for keyless entry and security
systems, but those devices themselves have not been or not included in this project. Yes. Yep. So it'll be out the door if if you ever decide for those things to be switched out, you have it. No further upgrades would be required.
I believe and we have someone in the back. How old is the building? 72. Was it? Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. So, we had a full hazardous materials uh survey completed of the building. So,
we're aware of the all the hazardous materials throughout. I add you can repeat me add that we can't guarantee that there's not going to be any surprises with a building like this when we start doing construction in the demolition act. So during our investigations, we always
try our best to make sure that there are no surprises. Inevitably, uh a building of this age, uh modifications are done over the years. Um and we have a lot of reference drawings that show how the original construction is um to help aid a contractor in knowing what he's
dealing with before he gets into that building. Um, so one of the ways we do that is we did um certain areas of of uh demolition testing where we cut out areas of of plaster or drywall so we can see the construction above. Um, and we document that to the puls on our
drawings. Um, so hopefully no surprises but it's never a guarantee. The answer is yes. We do very very thorough investigation. Yes. Yes ma'am. Have you given any thought to the cost
to demoing this and just possibly? I don't believe that was an option because of the way the lease was written. Uh, according to what our bureau manager told me before when I asked that question, if we were to demo the building, then we would be violating the terms of our lease and it would
revert back to the federal government. Yes, sir. the uh 14.9 number above base is that is there a standard that was being used to pump that number? Is there a federal standard? So 14.9 is existing
is the existing elevation of the building of where the the spaces are in that building. Um to answer your question um the design data that's provided to us is through FEMA themselves. So we take their their flood maps um we take their flood elevations and then there's a recommended height
above in which you design to. So this building itself is a good example. Uh we were the architects for this building approximately 10 years ago when it was constructed and it follows the same maps. At that time there was an executive order that required three foot of
additional 3. Uh but now it's reverted back to two foot which is but essentially the main floor level is up at 14. Yes or 14.9 is exactly main. So we have we're following those
floors to the addition. Yeah. So if you look at where the um existing building floor is um and you look at where the generator is that's why the generator on our planes is is lower because we don't need to go up as high. The higher you go up, the more expensive it becomes. Um,
and that's why in this building you have to walk up so many stairs. We also have Susan Butler. She she raised her hands. Sure. Yeah. Um, I have a question about the generator. Can you hear me? Yes, we
could hear you. Okay. Um, the generator is going to be off the ground. It is going to have a 96-hour capability of running. It is going to be run by propane. And how will it be serviced
when it's off the ground? Since it a generator generally has to run on a let's say a schedule of every 30 days to make sure it's working. Are all those facts true? And the question stands. Thank you for your question.
So, there was some communication about what the generator is. It is not a dual fuel system. It is a single fuel diesel generator with a 96-hour day tank. Um, and to your question, yes, it is elevated.
Um, so I'm going to pull up a plan for you so that way we could talk about it a little bit more in depth of how that's designed. How big is the platform around this thing? Is it so somebody could actually go get on it and work on it? Yes, exactly. So, the the concrete pile cap
that the generator sits on has been extended with a slab and a staircase to get up to the unit so that way it could be serviced. So, anybody working on it has no problem. Exactly. Um, in addition to that, there are code requirements of where that breaker height above um a
platform can be so that way a maintenance personnel can can do what they need to do. Okay. And and how frequently does a generator of that size have to be serviced and how available are they right now?
That size. One more. Hello. Yep. Thank you for your question. I'm sorry. I'm trying to pull up the drawing associated with the generator to help facilitate the conversation. There. So, here we go. So, can you see
that on your screen, S? I can. Okay, great. Um, so essentially what we have here is on the top is the the plane of the generator. So, that's looking at it from a bird's eye view almost. Um, and the bottom ones are essentially sections and looking at it from the ground level.
Okay. Um, so there's a a small three three-step staircase getting up to a um a concrete landing that allows people to service it. Um, and going back to your second question, um, we don't know the
exact lead times of these items, which is essentially how long it takes for a contractor to um, acquire them. um we estimate it to be approximately 22 to 23 weeks. So within a duration a construction duration of 9 months we
don't see the generator lead time posing an issue to delay the project provided we have no major storms between now and then. Correct. Can never predict the future but we could always try to plan the best we can for it. Right. We do have our
burrow hall that is now which we didn't have during Sandy. So that god forbid you know right Susan did I need an electric stove if anybody wants to donate more. Really? We do.
Is there anybody else? The the the ancillary question on thing is how loud is that thing when it runs? I'm sorry. Could you repeat the question? Sure. What's the volume? Oh, so I'm glad you asked. So, equipped with
the generators upon ordering is what we call a sound enclosure. Um, and what that does is it reduces the noise level at that enclosure. So, that way at the property line, it's not above the um township's decel level. Yes, exactly. Okay. Just
curious. Now, I know they have a tendency to be noisy. Matt, thank you. [Music] You have you have to leave the building to get to the generator platform. Correct.
Yeah. So building code uh basically dictates that the generators need to be kept a certain distance away from the building itself and you can't afford a bridge. Yes. Well, a bridge would have been nice. Is there anybody else in the audience?
We should get a bridge for five. Steve, I didn't see any plans for what I consider to be the west building, which is the garage that's in complete disrepair. [Music] accessible apparently only by servant
animal range. So I'm wondering if there are any plans to even do basic maintenance to clean that up. Take the sheet metal off of broken windows, maybe repair the roof, uh maybe get the garage that was all the ground and generally make it
suitable for That's a really Dave, you said you had something. I have my my suggestion would be let's see how the bids come in. If you have the extra money then you'll spend it. Right now, you know, we have a $5 million budget and you know, of course, we're concerned that the bids
could come in higher. We're also hopeful that the bids come in lower. The bids come in lower then you have some some wiggle room with your money. Otherwise, that right now I would say that we can't afford to add that to the budget. Yeah, accepted respectfully that garage needs to
address regardless of what you do. I agree with that. I think that's maybe something we could talk amongst ourselves in the burrow and with our public works to maybe do some basic aesthetics. I don't know too much about it, but we've brought that up ourselves. We have brought that up and talked about
it. So, it's one. Yeah. So, sometimes we will discuss it. Anybody else online nor? There is no hands up right now. Now, anybody in the council want to uh jump in here? Um, well, I think this is was a great a very good presentation. I think that we're
going to get more um questions and I'd love to see you come back for a followup. Maybe just, you know, there are more questions. That's my opinion. I I do have lots of questions and I will come go in again and look at the uh plans again. And I know they're up in Sher's office and I'm
sure gentlemen could take a look at them as well. But um if you have those questions I you know I am concerned about from the from the neighbors perspective consider that at all costs to well not at all costs but you know the noise and you know you mentioned the
duct work on the roof like are they going to be able to is it just going to be visible from the street to see all this plastic duck work surrounding the roof? can put you make sure there's a camo some way to camouflage what's sitting on top of the roof so it's not unsightly and you know the noise of the
generators is you know maybe we should talk to u Mr. Little again about the the cost the difference of the cost of the dual fuel and and like Mr. McCaffrey just said with the natural gas now that shouldn't ever happen again having having it be turned off because we have valves they have val they never had
valves on it before. So that's why the gas was shut off. Now when they redid all the gas lines they have valves on them now. So the reason why they were they shut off because they did have some leaks and they couldn't shut it off. But now they have the opportunity to do that
make sure we're doing the right thing. Absolutely. Um, all questions and concerns would be very much appreciated to be provided that you want to make sure how those rain panels actually look. It's hard to tell with just lines on it. I think Dave, we we had found some buildings nearby within the I think
Manhawk and it was that actually have this sort of system that we're proposing. Is that the hospital? One was the hospital. Yeah, I think that we there was a few of them. Um, and I'll have to take another look, but there's a newer building that's going going up or
being finished currently over by the uh the turn to go over the bridge, right? It's a modern looking building, but it's Yeah, it is. All right. I'd like to know where his locations are. I I think that maybe for the council it would be nice
if we were given you know smaller not the full set of plans obviously but just so we have it or if you have some kind of some people that have put this stuff on the side of their buildings and address where we can go look at it. That's what I was saying those earlier
on in the design. I know has it meridian but now it's fine. I know it's meridian but I'm not sure what it is. There's all kinds of sighting differences on that those buildings there. So, I'm not sure what I'm looking for. That's all. All right. I'll save my other questions for
another time. Question. You mentioned uh epoxy flooring in the bathrooms. And would it make sense if it saves that much money to just do the flooring epoxy? Even in the bedrooms, we can put area rugs down for, you know, warm it up
a little bit. Yeah, it was definitely a possibility. Um, one of the things that we definitely tried to avoid in the dormatory area was um, having the spaces appear institutional. Um, and we felt with that sort of
flooring, it feels more like a industrial or commercial building than it does someone's living space. Yeah. So, I mean, if it's if it is a money saver, like I said, we could get area rugs for 999. I would like to clarify
that it's a moneysaver over traditional wet area finishes such as tile. So in that sense the laminate floorings that we're providing are cheaper than the epoxies and all those floors are concrete the slab. Yes, there's an existing
concrete almost like a garage paint. Correct. Floors nowadays. Oh yeah, they look good. Yeah, it's almost like a an eighth of an inch to um 316 inch finish. And a lot of times it's it's almost like trrowled on. I guess I'm thinking in a
real storm scenario, people are coming in and they're unloading their wet gear and all kinds of stuff. And I don't care how Florida want to be durable, too. That's a very good point. Maybe those are considerations for some of the other areas such as the meeting room where we we provided laminate to be
more of a a warmer feel, but we could always have that changed. Well, it's a work it's a work building period. Right. Honestly, it's a building. Yeah. And laminate doesn't necessarily absorb the moisture as a as a carpet would.
We might eventually have year round tenants in there. So, you know, we do want to make it feel a little u not too institutional, but um Jamie, did you have anything you wanted to I know this
is Frank one more question. That siding is it very highly firereesistant? Is that one of the reasons? And obviously the hurricane Yeah, it's like a laminate. Um it's not It's not a combustible material. The
shingles and what's the strength of the winds it withholds? So this system is designed for for coastal. So I think it's um FM90 FM90 rated. I'd have to look. Yeah. But I know we selected it to fit the
components and clarity requirements of structure. And yeah, even the structure behind it is metal. So it's not something that should corrode. So, can I jump in for a second? You have a resolution in front of you that authorizes us to advertise this when
we're ready. I think we're still a few weeks away because we still have mechanical, electrical stuff to clean up, I believe. But how much more time does the council want to look at things before we go out to bid? I mean, the more if we wait two more months, who
knows what the prices are going to be, the sooner the better. But I do know you have concerns and um so the question would be you going to hold the resolution? Do you see more? Are you gonna pass it and look at things and then you know we still have a few more
weeks before we'd be ready to put a advertisement on the street. I personally want to go out to bid. I think we this is like five years in planning. The more we wait the more it's going to go up. I think our main concerns are questions about the generator and aesthetics, but other than
that, we can still go out to bid with the with just those questions. The generator, we need to get this started. Yeah, the generator I I'm I kind of like the diesel myself. I mean, I've done dual fuel. It's expensive, right? And half the time you're only using one
fuel. I mean, diesel you're guaranteed. I mean, in 96 hours, if we can't get something on this island to fill a diesel tank, you got bigger problems. Yeah, I mean I don't know anything about that. If we get the 14 foot water elevation, we don't need an EOC. I appreciate I appreciate your opinion.
So, you know, so it's I I think the diesel is the way to go and it's a guarantee and you'll get a diesel, you know, if god forbid something did happen with the gas, we're out of we're out of business. Yeah, exactly. Propane I don't think is an option. I No, I don't is more of a nuisance. I think that's good
enough for me. And with the general, we were not the primary decision makers. this right um decision was coordinated with members of the burough throughout the entire process. Yeah, chief. Yeah, sure. Jump in there. There was a couple reasons why we went with the diesel is
because the burrow has a lot of diesel. The um generator behind our station is diesel. We have diesel tanks over in the brow yard for all the trash trucks and stuff like that. diesel been easy to get to and it was uh it dropped the price because there was a a larger expense
with the water pump for the fire system. I think that was a $100,000. No, and that's great. I just thought it was something worth talking about and we just did. So, still it and that's good. We still need the fire pump based on the pressure test we had to do on the on the
water system. So, that's still part part of the project. So, hold on. So, I think if you want to pass the resolution, that gives us a target of a few weeks out. And if you want to look at some other things, Dave can certainly find some buildings for
you to look at. I think the generator should be what it is. And I think we should get rolling. I agree. The only thing um Kitty, you had mentioned, uh that some of the other concerns were aesthetic, and I think the main thing would be the um equipment and duct work
on the roof. Okay. It's a fairly tall building. Neighbors in neighboring houses that are elevated are going to see it. They're going to see the roof. They're going to see the landscape of the roof, which is going to look like ducks going over the roof. Really from
the from the but from the road it No, it's not as it's I don't think it's going to be an eyesore. Unfort, believe me, as the architect and the designer of this whole thing here, you know, with that with Zach, none of us really want
to put that equipment up there and and want to, but there's no other way to make this happen. They're really not that fits the budget and and works with the existing structure that we have completely. I just think it's we didn't come at this decision easily.
So, there there are ways to mask and camouflage it. um this building example where there was basically a railing put around and the the equipments are depressed on the top of this roof. Um so there are definitely screening systems. The the reason why we did not pursue
those options um one it um it's cost. It's mainly comes down to cost. Um you're talking about a full perimeter screening system um approximately 400 linear feet. It would add a lot of money to the project.
Spending five million, you know, 5 million 200,000 isn't, you know, we got to get it right for 5 million. It seems agreed, the more expensive it gets. Well, I was hoping it was going to be ready for this summer, truthfully. And so, I would really like to get this moving, too. That's what we were
thinking as well. And right now, we could hit the target, but if we wait, we're gonna miss it. Okay. Anybody else at all? Yeah, this building is not okay. Gentlemen, thank you all very much. It was a wonderful presentation. We appreciate your time.
We apologize again for the technical difficulties that put us back, but um thank you Frank. Thank you very much for your input as well. Stick around till the resolution's passed. Okay. All right. Now, having said that and everybody's had their say, correct? Is
there a motion to approve 725? What do you think? Is there a second? Second. Who approve it? Okay, just checking. Okay. Um, Miss Anderson, yes. Miss Paul Miller, yes.
Mr. McCaffrey, yes. Miss Snder, yes. And I'm a yes as well. Motion is approved. Thank you very, very much. Thank you very much. Presentation. We do have a hard copy set here. I don't know if anybody wanted to look at it. Uh if you don't that's fine for us because since
we're proceeding with working on this we need something to look at too. So if you need it we'll give it to you. If not we'll keep it. Yeah. And as I said if we can get something on the website that people can go to and look at we could do that. I mean you said you'd provide it to Sher and that's perfect.
Yeah. Yeah. And as Frank said, remember this isn't 100% complete. We'll still have to coordinate even our architectural work once we receive all the final MEP and structural and of course your comment. So you do have some time if we need to make
adjustments. Thanks again. We really appreciate it. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, moving on now uh to general discussion. We have several proposed ordinances and the first one has to do with private dune walkovers.
Um, we had a proposal and then Sherry and I spoke today with our burough attorney who was looking at uh what we were proposing and I kind of felt that if you had one already and you were not
in any kind of violation except that maybe you hadn't signed an easement, you should be grandfathered. And our attorney said he wanted to look at it, but he kind of agreed with that. So, I don't know if we want to um I think need maybe hold this off, but certainly weigh
in on Yeah, I definitely have an opinion on this. I mean, from the beginning of this discussion, I was ready to just do away with them altogether. Um after Sandy, I thought it was just shocking when we saw people trying to put their Dune walkovers back, but here they are again and we have
them. Um, and I'm willing to support allowing uh homeowners who have them now and have signed the easement to continue with them and to keep them. I personally don't think they should this per this
should follow this grandfathering in should follow the homeowner. I mean that it shouldn't follow the property. It only should follow the homeowner. And once that property changes hands, I don't I would like to see them in the future not be here. We we most of the homes that have
them are within how many feet of the public walkway? Five feet. And it's just ridiculous. They cost what? $200 a year for these walkovers? Hundreds. So it's just, you know, we the Barrow gets nothing from this. So we'd much in my opinion better off without any of them.
Um certainly there would be some extenduating circumstances. That's, you know, a different story. I would support having those people that have them now, those oceanfront owners who have doing walkovers now and have signed the easement to be able to keep them until
their property changes hands. I also agree with that and my point on this is if they don't maintain them that the permit will be revoked. Oh, absolutely. And that includes irrigation includes irrigation too.
Well, we haven't. That was part of it in the beginning and we haven't, you know, I I'd love to see these homeowners irrigate the dunes on the west side, but that then Mr. Car, you know, Chris was had an issue with that too, Jamie, because he thought
that, you know, at this point, I don't even remember what his his concerns with that were. There's only two residents that do it right. And yours looks amazing and that's it. Everyone else, it looks like crap. Yeah. So and and both of them irrigate their their west side. They take pride in it. They take care of
it. And unfortunately the other how 15 or so help the other ones that we have. I don't even remember the 23. Two of them look amazing and the other 21 look like total. I would love to see all these ocean front owners with their
dune walkovers irrigate their dunes and have that be a condition. Who would you want here? Um, I guess I'll go along with it. They already have them. Keep them. If they sell, that's a good idea, I think, not to I mean, that's a a thought
anyway. Don't perpetuate it. And it's amazing they were ever put in in place in the first place. I mean, they little kids can't go on the doom, but now we have walkovers. It's a little bit crazy. Yeah, I mean I think if sometimes if if you say to the homeowner if you if you if you will irrigate the dune on the
west side and maintain it within our guidelines um you know maybe that that then maybe let it happen because it really does yeah over time make the dunes stronger and and they certainly are be look beautiful certainly helps. Okay. So
um yeah and it's in their best interest. So I think we'll wait and see what Bruce comes up with but basically I think this I think the ordinance is still a big gray area. I think it still is just right. Well, he's going to, like you said, he he needed to check a few things out. So, you have all these things and it's okay, you have to plant the native
plants, but what are they? You can you should be irrigating, but you don't have to. So, who's to say someone's property is not like permit? Yeah. Compliant. This is too gray. It needs to be it needs to tighten up more and it needs to
have more this or that. Not well, this or that. it needs to be this way. And I know one of the homeowners who does irrigate the dune called the D and got all kinds of answers and they were like, well, you know, native and non-native, you know, as typical. It's like so, but you know, our building, I mean, our our
um public works is, you know, by the book, so there is some gray area there and we need to to define that. Yeah. And this been a long time. We've talked about this before. Yes, we have. So, numerous times. It's time to to deal with it. Yeah. Yeah. Plus, it's time for permits to be picked up. So we need to
intro um anybody in the audience we don't usually do public discussion now but uh anybody on this one anybody on Zoom for about one talk okay um the next one is the Nox boxes and this is kind of a
housekeeping matter we thought it was spelled out but apparently it wasn't spelled out as well and uh it'll be changed to read Knox boxes required for existing commercial and non-residential buildings. things. So, it'll take all the guesswork out of it. It'll be
uniform and everybody in those circumstances will know that they have to have a Knox box, which basically, I think you're all familiar with it. It's just an exterior way for the fire department to get into a building without knocking your doors down. Um, anybody on the council have anything to
say about that one? No. No. Anybody on Zoom for that one, Nor? Nope. Okay. Um, Marina Bulkheads. question spoken, right? But we have a code on our it seemed kind of redundant to me
that I had to put the box so we could open it and get the code to code my book. So, I didn't know if there would be a way that might just be a little bit more efficient because even as they're arriving, I'm thinking it just has the
code and open my door, but they've got to unc But don't you also have a key for it? No, you don't have a key. There's only a photo and there's windows all over. Okay. I'll have to ask about that.
Yeah. Well, I think that $600. Yeah. Yeah. Even Even if you have a a keyless entry, it doesn't mean that all the other businesses have the keyless entry. So, this is a uniform way for all of the businesses for the fire department. So, I think it would be too much of I have
keyless, I don't have keyless, and I'm doing the knockbox. I'm not. It's this was just a uniform way to have all the businesses. Yeah. I don't Okay. Um, anybody else on the Knox box? Okay. Um, the Marina Bulkheads
moving right along. Um, I Jamie, I was told you were going to run with this and um, well, I know that. Um this was brought up because uh we have a marina and the marine commercial zone that currently our ordinance is that both kids are five
feet but uh the marina is requesting to have 4 feet and we do have a representative from a marina that can explain why that this is more beneficial and efficient for his marina and the other marinas that we have in the
burrow. Dan, can you come up and talk about this please? So basically the u the main issue with it is ingress and egress from the docks. Um 5 foot elevation down by me is about that high and the bulkhead in question
that is a problem. I'm only asking like that so you can step over is how do I get people in and out? Um, when I spoke with the uh the town with Sean, the code enforcement officer,
he informed me that I cannot go in front of land use because of the the nature of this ordinance and that his proposition was to put two uh floodgates in to get people in and out. And I have 265 ft of pocket, so
that's going to be a problem as well. And most of the marinas in town are already vinyl. Uh they're not going to do bulkheads. The ones that have are going to have the same problem. Um where it's
you're going to have to back build staircases and things, you know, ramps to get over and down onto your dock again. Um after doing some research, I found out that township um passed an ordinance. I think it was last year
where you can build the bulkhead in their case they're even higher. They're seven feet where they can build the bulkhead two feet lower but build it in such a way that if in the future it has to be raised two feet it's available to do that. Uh I talked
with the gentleman with Butterick Bokehead and Fred who did the work for Marina and Township said yeah it's easy to do not a big deal. So, I think it would be beneficial for marine commercial because it adds an extra
layer of issue with safety um directing water during a flood um and just overall I think it would be beneficial for the Marine Commercial District to be able to do this because it's not a residence where you have one
person. You may have many people emergency situations where you have to get somebody over the bulkhead easily. Um, which that foot can make the difference. So that's basically why I think if you had to do a step on
the outside, does that go into the public access way? I think it might. It's in my condition. I can't speak for the other reason. But yeah, it's I'm right on the road. The bulkhead my question right.
We did see the one that the township sent and uh I don't have a problem with it. I know our marinas have disappeared at alarming rate and anything we can do to keep them functioning and functioning safely, I don't have a problem with it.
No, I don't I don't and Frank was CCed on these discussions and he had no no comment or concern and of course we'll we'll circle back with him on the on the ordinance on the ordinance as well. But I I'm perfectly okay with it. I am too.
It makes sense. Me too. Great. All right. Thank you. Any other questions? I'm more than happy to help. It just says and I should have read read this. It just says the purpose of this ordinance is to create an exemption for bulkhead height and marinas located in the MC zone and
that's with the ability to build up in the future. So thank you. Okay. Be safe on your way to Newark. Oh jeez. Uh and the last general discussion is the pickle ball passes.
Um, last year we ran a trial program where we didn't allow any daily passes to be sold before 10:00. That was very, very popular with the residents in the area because it didn't mean everybody showing up at once. It was also popular with the regular players down there, the
season and the weekly holders, because it gave them more time uh without having a mob there. So, um, Sher asked if we want to make it an ordinance and make it an official part of the rules. And uh I said fine if it's making everybody happy I think we should go with it.
I agree. And we had the study done and um it showed that um it was it's working and I think the neighbors that it was Colleen you mentioned this that they thought it was less um annoying for them in the mornings I I
believe and um because it was a 10 o'clock start for a daily pass. So I think it makes sense and I'm fully in support of it. The complaint's been down, so it's got to be doing sounds like a home run. Sold more past
this question. Yeah. Um, anybody in the audience want to talk to this one or anybody on Zoom want to talk to? Okay. Um, that brings us now to public comment. Is there anybody in the audience who would like to make a public
comment? Please hold it to three minutes and be sure to identify yourself. Jim, good evening. My name is Jim Chula. I reside at 422nd Street in Beach Haven. Um, I have a couple of comments. Uh, one is the comment I made about the diesel generator. have had some experience in
building emergency operations centers and just from my past experience um if you're talking about I know you're tight on costs but the diesel generator is a great idea but to add the redundancy of a a second um energy source like propane
um for a cost of he said $30 to $50,000 possibly that's 1% or less than of the cost I would just think about it um because you want you want an emergency operator operation center as redundant as possible and that does give you a lot of
redundancy. Second comment is on the question with the NOX boxes. Um there are other things that sometimes are put in the NOX boxes like contact information. So, if the fire department was there in the middle of the night, we asked that two or three um other
contacts or or contacts that we can get a hold of if there's something that we need to contact the owner for. Um I know that in the balcony situation, they don't have an elevator or anything, but um in other situations, we do ask them
to put elevator keys and keys to other things. So, um hopefully that answers the question. I know they're really expensive. Um, but they're definitely worth it. Um, and the last thing, and the mayor's going to shoot me on this one, is about the lithium ion
battery storage system that's on my block on Second Street. Myself and uh four other residents um have been uh feeding the the mayor lots of information on why we think that thing is not safe and does not belong um in in
our town. Um, I know that it's on the agenda tonight for you to go in executive session and I'm not going to ask you to share any of that information, but you did a masterful job at explaining what was going on at the Beach Haven Taxpayers Association. I
feel that most of the residents, at least the ones that I've talked to or experienced, they have no idea what this thing is that's sitting out on the street. I wanted to ask you if you could spend five minutes at the meeting and just explain um why we're in this position and how we got there. Um I mean
we've provided a lot of information. There are communities all over the country right now that are trying to put in zoning ordinances and change their master plans to update them to prohibit these uh lithium ion battery storage systems.
We feel that Atlantic City Electric has not been upfront. They have not disclosed information. We've watched the planning board meeting and the land use board meeting. Questions were asked that they did not disclose the information that we feel they should have as far as
safety goes. And now on the website um there are two fact sheets. One of them with a whole section on safety which once again lithium ion is not even mentioned. You can't turn on the news without seeing u information about
either these battery systems going on fire or Tesla uh batteries being uh going on fire and the uh difficulty it is for firefighters and emergency responders to get these things out and deal with them. There there's been
explosions. Just in the last year, there's been three fires in these battery energy systems in New York State alone. Um, so it's not something that we're making up or we're saying that it could happen. It has happened and it is
happening. So I ask you if you could please just maybe summarize for for the public um what has been going on um so that they know uh what what we're asking. Jim, can I just interrupt you for one second? I I've also been looking
for different ordinances and different laws that municipalities in New Jersey or out of state have been working towards. And the only thing I could find in New Jersey is Jersey City, but Jersey City passed ordinance for specific
lithium batteries, not these lithium storage facilities. So, and New York New York has been now trying to to push something through, but I can't find anything in New Jersey in my searches. So, if you could share any of that information with me because I I mean, I
like to do my own research and try to look for, you know, other municipalities that might be in the same where we are right now. And it's so new. It It's almost like until some a tragedy happens, that's when the laws come into place. And we don't want that to happen.
And so I'm trying to do my due diligence and find these laws, but I Okay. I can't find them. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's exactly what happens. But um I came from New York State and the town I grew up in or or lived in is Carmel, New York. They
just recently uh passed an ordinance um to uh prohibit them and the company that was trying to put in um a battery storage system on a 14 acre lot has backed out and stopped. question. Um, so unfortunately I have, you know, examples
in New York State and California. I don't know of any in New Jersey, but myself and Matt and, uh, Bob Jacobson and Harry, we will definitely look into seat. I don't think there's a lot of them in Jersey. In fact, there is none because a lot of the times too,
if you know the state laws will will trump a municipal law. So if we create a law against this, you know, the state could come and supersede that law. And unfortunately, the public utilities of New Jersey are are pushing these battery facility stoages. They're they're they
want them. So it's hard for municip municipalities to not allow them when the state's like, "Yes, you're having them." So it's just it's this battle. It's very difficult. But if again going back to New York, it was so bad in New York. There were three in one year that
the governor established a separate committee just to look into and they've changed some of the standards and requirements for these things. Okay. So, it is real and it's happening. Unfortunately, um Atlantic City Electric and they've said it several times, this
is the first one of its kind in their service area. They have no experience whatsoever with these. They've contracted out, they bought the system from someone else. They've contracted out the public safety and the fire stuff. Yes. Um there is um a battery
energy storage system in Atlantic City. Um and it's used to store the power from the wind farm that's down there, but it is not uh run by Atlantic City Electric. Um Atlantic City Electric claims that Exelon, their mother company, does have
some of these systems, but I don't know where they are and and what they're doing. Um yeah, it's just it's it's difficult. I don't know if there are laws that exist, but I mean, your number one priority, I believe, is public safety. Absolutely. And we can we can
prove um that these things have the potential to cause devastating results. Arizona, there were four fire firefighters that were critically hurt because one of these things exploded. And Atlantic City Electric is going to sit there and
they're going to tell you perfectly safe. We're putting in all of these um different uh emergency plans, putting in fire alarm systems, fire suppression systems, but they're not being completely honest with that. That system
that's out there now, the batteries are in it and they're being charged. So, right now, we're in danger. They don't have an emergency operations plan. They're working on one. There's not in place. Fire department hasn't been trained. and then and they'll sit there and tell you that public safety is their
number one priority. That is definitely not the case. Um so they haven't been honest with us. And um I just like the public I think the residents something this important to our community um that could create devastating results. The
community should have some input and actually at least know what's going on. And eventually they're going to have to know what to do in case there is a fire or thermal runaway. Particularly they they just never mention lithium-ion batteries
which I believe and if you you know we told you we watched the um public hearing definitely some of our land use board members asked some really good questions and they were not they were not forthcoming and did not answer those questions um the way they should have. I
feel like Thank you. Jim, I agree with everything you said. Um, as you know, you know how I feel about this. Um, our attorney, as you know, we're going to executive session about this and our attorney has asked us to pull back a little bit and, you know, we're going to
meet with him and see which, you know, how we want to proceed. Um, to your point, the problem is that all these moratoriums are coming up. That's great, but ours is here, right? and you know we want it out and we asked very nicely
numerous times and we were told no. So now we have to get down to how do we go forward and um a couple of suggestions were made and I would definitely speak to it but I would I do want to speak with our attorney first and I I mean
Atlanta are supposed to give a whole open house and d we want them to come to a meeting. They're like no no no no we don't want to do that. uh we want to come to an open house and educate the people ourselves. So I absolutely will speak but I do want to um listen to our
attorney because he asked us not to get too deep into things until we as a council have discussed it. Okay. I appreciate that. Um, but I also wanted to mention Matt brought it up to me this afternoon as I know you're concerned about cost and um the process of getting
into litigation um against this thing, but I just we just ask you to look forward and think about if that thing if there is an accident or fire or explosion, what type of litigation you will be facing. It's not just going to be against Atlantic City Electric.
You're going to be inundated with stuff. and we we all I think we all are in agreement with that and that's why we are doing our due diligence and unfortunately our attorney is waiting and waited and waited a long time to go into executive session. So thank you and
we I mean I really thank you both very both of you very much for all your your work on this. One of the reasons we believe this is in here because they weren't they weren't open and honest about they put a storage container that's full of hazardous materials on a property. Never
mentioned once that there were lithium ion batteries or what the explosive or [Music] fire conditions could be. So you're right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sue right down the street.
Sue Sharky 10 North Delaware. Um, as always, I want to say thank you for your service to our our town. Um, Jim, we all agree. Um, thank you for watching out for all of us, for our safety. Um, it's it's not a surprise though.
Adam, the fire chief, warned us years ago before they were even bang the first nail for the footing for that for. So, I I thought our hands were tied. So, I'm glad that you guys are working on maybe fighting the fight. I don't know. Um, regarding the congratulations and good
for us and thank you for the the forward movement on the old Coast Guard station. That's a great thing. Um, like Katie and I think everybody else, I I would have loved to see like an artist rendering. Um, because you know those rooms and mechanicals are
only, you know, I'm I'm sure it'll be operative, but what does it look like? Um, it's a it's a great piece of property, a feather in Beach Haven's cap. So, I think it needs to be aesthetically pleasing. So, the garages are are terrible. Um, the concrete
building, I'm not really sure what we're doing with the 70s disco front east room. Um, that's not in the plans for improvement, right? Yeah. So, so that would be but to to make the whole thing aesthetically. What I really want to comment on and I
know your night is getting longer is recreation. Um I we haven't heard a lot about it. I think it was a year or two ago that yeah, we got this recreation committee and then we we did some the town did some um movement from the recommendations from the rec recreation
committee and then last late spring late winter early spring um approved a position for recreation. I was anxious to see programming for um people uh
mostly younger people. I've I was a little disappointed that there there was nothing last year. And I don't mean things like heritage day is that is wonderful. Um the things that the
um um the museum puts on or the good faith and kindness of Kitty and the marshmallows. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about true programming. And I just need that to be fresh in the minds of the people that maybe can can put a fire under things
that you know I I guess you know and I'm this is an a question and answer. I know it's just my comment. I guess I wonder was the position filled? Is it a new contract every year for the person? is
that person actively researching doing things to create program programming and what's the vision and I don't think that necessarily comes from the parks and wreck committee of which I'm a member I
think that that person needs to just kind of start movement on some programming unfortunately um as I mentioned to you Chief Ellander couldn't be here and he is the head of our parks and wrecks and I talked to Sher about this as well and the problem last year was that you know there was no salary
set aside at that point and there was no budget. Both of those are now in effect. So we hope to have something for you very soon and I'm sorry nobody's here tonight to specifically I I also spoke to Sher about this a couple weeks ago and I've been away for a week and a half and it's on my top of
pile and I don't we have but I haven't heard anything from Adam as to what he has in mind so we'll see hopefully. I have a bunch of ideas and I know you do too. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else? Anybody online?
Nor. Okay. Um, with that, we will close public comment and uh we're going to go into executive session. So, council, would anybody like to make their final comments now? I think so. All right. Go ahead, Kitty. Uh, well, not much except I just want to thank you, Nor. This is a
tough Thank you for running the meeting and that was a big glitch and I did a great job and and Mayor Lambert, thank you for for stepping in. You did a great job. I really appreciate it's not easy. Thank you. Thank I don't have anything to say. I'll let
you get out of here. That's it. Good night everybody. Thanks for coming. We're sticking with it. Appreciate your input. No, you did a fantastic job. Kept it cool. I would have lost my mind. You did awesome. Thank you so much for
stepping in an emergency situation. I really appreciate that. No, I have nothing to say. Phillies won tonight 73 opening season. I can't wait. They're undefeated. Oh, yay. Should it be Okay. Thank you everyone. Yeah, Nora. Great baptism under fire. Thank you.
Thank you all for coming out and working the shift with us. Thank you so much. Make a motion. Okay. Motion to adjourn for executive session. Second. Right. Third, fourth, fifth. Yeah. Whatever. Meeting back to order is meeting is back in order. Is there a
motion to adjurnn? Second. Third. Good night. Thank you. You are one.