ready to go ready yeah okay good evening and welcome to the buau council meeting it is Monday February 10th 6: pm and Mr mcaffrey will lead us in the flag salute aled States first to the New Jersey open
public meetings act adequate and electronic notice of this meeting has been provided by posting on the bulletin board in the Beach Haven municipal building on the burrow website mailing the same to the beach Haven times the Asbury press and the Press of Atlantic
City Miss Anderson here Mrs ball Miller here Mr mcaffrey here miss Snider here mayor Lambert here I missed on the agenda the finance report but I do have that cash receipts in the current fund
account for the period of January 1 to January 31st 2025 were 4 million $77,900 cash dispersements in the current current fund account for the month of January 2025 totaled 3,364
35345 cash receipts in the water utility account for the period of January 1st to January 31st were $60,000 56481 while the cash dispersements in the water utility account for the month of January totaled
$26,389 4 cash receipts in the SE utility account for the period of January 1 to January 31st were $ 49,27763 19 cents submitted by our Treasurer Sherie
bowler I have the January 9th together we play Nelson Avenue public hearing minutes for approval without formal reading everybody have a chance to review the minutes I wasn't at the meeting so I to recru myself okay is there a motion to approve the minutes I
make a motion to approve second sorry sorry who was my second something out the line sorry if I did Kitty all right all in favor and Jamie I have your okay ordinances 20251 C an ordinance amending chapter 120 licenses
in the burrow code of the burough Beach Haven county of ocean state of New Jersey to direct appeals of denied mertile licenses to the governing body rather than the land use board first reading uh this ordinance excuse me was
proposed by our lanus board attorney Eric Riso he felt it was more appropriate coming to the council and our Council attorney uh Bruce badul agreed so here we are is there well nobody in the public gets to speak to it but is there anybody on the council would like
to any questions or concerns no I trust his um expertise okay is there a motion to approve 202- onec I'll make the motion I'll second Miss Anderson yes Mrs ball Miller
yes Mr mcaffrey yes Miss Snider yes mayor Lambert yes ordinance 2025 2C an ordinance amending chapter 212 zoning definitions of the burrow code of the Burrow Beach Haven county of ocean state of New Jersey to amend the definition of
accessory building or structure residential and add a definition for retaining walls first reading since this the first reading there's no public comment um Jamie did you have anything you wanted to elucidate no this is just we're going through the different zoning
definitions in our zoning chapter and we're just clearing up any type of old definition that needs to be cleared up and this whole thing went through first but then we find different things that have to still be amended so it was just a minor thing to take out flary ratio of
an accessory building because your accessory building like your garage doesn't have heat so it shouldn't be part of the floor area ratio so it's it's nothing that would affect any type of development actually would hinder it if we didn't do it so we need to to
straighten that definition out thank you anybody else have anything no no okay barring that um is there a motion to approve 2025 d to see so moved
second Miss Anderson yes Mrs fall Miller yes Mr mcaffrey yes Miss Snider yes mayor Lambert yes 2025 3C in ordinance of the burough Beach Haven county of ocean state of New Jersey amending section 30-2 A of the code of the
burough Beach Haven to allow for two police captains to be employed and again the purpose of the ordinance is to amend the administrative code to allow for two police captains first reading again first reading so it's only
up for discussion among the council anybody like to address this I talk to Sher about this I think it's a good idea under the circumstances I do too anybody else no okay barring none is there a motion to approve 2025
d3c I make a motion to approve 2025 3C I'll second thank you Miss Anderson yes Mrs Bal Miller yes Mr mcaffrey yes Miss Snider yes mayor Lambert yes ordinance 20254 C an ordinance of the burough
Beach Haven county of ocean amending chapter two of The Beach Haven burough code to establish chapter 2 Section 34 restricted areas of burrow Hall to clearly designate specific areas located on burrow property that are necessary to be secured from unauthorized access
first reading again first reading so no public comment and you know basically this is just to make sure people understand where they can and can't go in the burrow building um I don't know it's much problem here but other places have had major problems so we're being a little
proactive any other comments on no no all that is there a motion to approve 2025 d4c I'll make a motion I'll second Miss Anderson yes Mrs
biller yes Mr mcaffrey yes Miss Snider yes mayor Lambert yes ordinance 20255 is a bond ordinance authorizing the acquisition of certain Police and Fire Equipment in and further burough Beach Haven in the county of ocean state
of New Jersey appropriating 830,000 therefore and authorizing the issuance of 790,000 bonds or notes to finance part of the cost thereof first reading this is to uh fund the last portion of our
new Quint fire Tru and to also uh fund the upgrade and replacement of our Police radios I know that we applied for a grant to help us the cost of the radios and we were we did not we did not rece which is a shame but we did try I think we tried twice right we tried a Motorola
Grant as well yeah so it's necessary it's important for Public Safety and we have to uh I don't think we have a choice here anybody else like to comment on Council no I mean I think it's a good
idea we have a great opportunity with the truck and um obviously we need the radios so is there a motion to approved 2025 d5c I'll make the motion Miss Anderson yes Mrs B Miller yes Mr mcaffrey yes Miss Snider yes
mayor Lambert yes all matters listed under item consent agenda are considered to be routine by the municipal Council and will be enacted by one Motion in the form listed any items requiring expenditure supported by a certification of availability of funds and any item
requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda and discussed separately all consent agenda items will be reflected in full in the minutes resolution 38 approving the certified list of eligibles for the Beach Haven for first aid Squad 2024 loap 49
returning piling bonds 50 returning Street opening bonds 51 approving membership to the beach Haven Volunteer Fire Company number one 52 refunding an overpayment for cut and cap 53 permitting sidewalk sales in the burrow
of Beach Haven 54 returning dumpster Bond 56 authorizing a refund of a duplicate tax over payment 57 cancelling sewer charges 58 form of emergency temporary Appropriations resolution prior to adoption of the budget 61
approving sidebar agreements with um Teamsters Local 35 and Teamsters Local 97 related to the difference card HR account 62 appointing EB Employee Solutions LLC doing business as the
difference card to provide HRA services for the burough Beach Haven 63 authorizing the refund of redemption monies and premiums to outside lean holders and 64 is permitting our first burrow wide residential yard sale 65
supporting uh publishing legal notices on on our official government websites and finally 66 is refunding a tax over payment anybody want to remove anything for discussion should just quickly mention that the U townwide yard sale is a new
approach that that our um actually the lady in charge of our building department suggested and we were going to run it in conjunction with the Hop sauce Festival so that would be June 14th rain date to 15th and anybody in town would be able to set up in their
driveway within you know can't block the right away and all that good stuff um during the hours of I think it was 9 to 7 and S to five 7 to five oh okay and um you would need a permit so this is something new we're trying this year see
how it goes and uh hopefully it works out well um I missed one 55 is authorizing execution of an agreement with the community arts program for use of Veterans Park okay saying that there are no request for removal is there a motion to approve
the resolutions within the consent agenda I'll make a motion to approve thank you I'll second Miss Anderson yes Mrs bill yes Mr mcaffrey yes Miss Snider yes mayor Lambert yes I have a bill list this
evening in the amount of 4,656 N3 everybody have a chance look them over yep is there a motion to approve the bills I'll make a motion to approve the bills thank you I'll
second Miss Anderson yes Mrs B Miller yes Mr mcaffrey yes yes Miss Snider yes mayor Lambert yes all right that's all I have under General discussion uh we only have one item to discuss crop fairs and flea markets um are we going to I mean
we're discussing among ourselves but are we going to inv invite comments at this time or during public comment huh go okay um first of all you know this has come up several times in the
past and came up again about the frequency of the flea markets and craft shows uh in some cases location and we asked Matt freed our president of the Beach Haven Chamber of Commerce for his assistance and Matt you did an excellent job thank you very
much your input was invaluable um basically and I know probably this is why most of you are here tonight uh the question comes down to a lot of our Merchants who pay taxes or rent and mertile licenses are saying
that by having so many of these events we are cutting into their profits and their ability to make money during that short period that we have others are saying well rents are so high I really can't afford a business we would like to
have this opportunity so tonight we would like to hear what you have to say Matt did a wonderful job and it was interesting because the results of the survey he took which I believe took about onethird of the businesses responded if I'm not correct if I'm I'm not mistaken and it kind of was
interesting that it came down along the lines that you almost would expect it to people who had a food business said we're okay with the craft shows and the flea markets but just don't bring anything in that has a food component and conversely the people had you know the t-shirts the jewelry and that kind
of thing we're saying hey we're okay with you having food but we don't want the competition and everybody makes a valid point so what we're trying to decide is you know which side do we land on and personally I feel there is a
compromise to be made here my mother and I actually had a business so we paid the high rent we did all that and then when we went out of business we went to the flea markets and craft shows so I see both sides of this and I'm sure that you all have something that you would like to say as well um we would ask you to
come up uh to the microphone one at a time please state your name and please uh your name and address or your business if you don't live in town and please please keep it to three minutes so we can hear everybody perhaps we could start with Matt freed so he could come up and just
give us a little more about his survey good idea Mary CLA uh Matt Fred president of the Beach Haven Chamber of [Music] Commerce can you hear me now yes how about now better just talk loud got
it do you have the slides to put up or anything no okay so we just surveyed the businesses our membership is a good portion of the business Community we send an email out to everyone that's on the mertile license list as well
uh the responses were pretty simple like the mayor said um divided by what type of business you have I think the majority were against it but it was a small majority and we just asked two simple questions one are you for or against flea markets and uh craft shows
in the season so specifically the summer season which would be July and August uh and if you are against it what are the reasons for and the reasons we listed were parking issues or competition for local business uh the Aesthetics of the park uh and just a few other things like
that and I think everyone shared similar um reasons for being against it and most of it fell down to competition amongst businesses uh so I think you did a great job represented it everybody is interested in bringing more people to town but nobody's looking to bring in direct competition to their business so
I think the business Community is really generous in giving up that you know competition rights when it comes to June and September and October and we do our best to run events such as the artwalk those times so I would think that the best way to characterize the results is businesses are in favor of bringing
people to town but not at the expense of competition for their direct business and for all the reasons you would think it's growing to be more expensive to do business in town whether you're a new business trying to pay rent or you're trying to buy a new location whatever the case may be uh there's a lot of barriers to entry for businesses and
once you overcome them you don't want to see the town to bring in direct competition who's not sharing those same barriers so I think that's what the results were any questions thanks Matt anybody have a question for Matt uh no we did I was at the meeting with Matt and um
thank you again you did a great job on this it's it's very informative and um well it's not surprising I think it's important very important to listen to our business owners thank you Matt thank you thank
you anybody else in the council have anything they want to say first no okay um the audience hi my name is Mary derer I live on Fifth Street in Beach Haven I'm a yearr resident here I used to have a yoga studio on Fifth Street had a close
during covid and during that time I started my beating business so I am the beat at mermaid and I also organize the Beach Haven Artis Market which is Friday mornings um from 9 to 12 and we're a small Market we're 10 to 14 vendors um
so we're we really aren't near any businesses it's a lot of people that are just at the hotels coming to the show before they go to the beach I just have like local Artisans I do take nonprofits give them a free Booth um the surf
flight is interested this year to have a singing group come they're starting an educational singing group so I you know it's my livelihood I work hard um and I understand the businesses but as a
crafter um you know a lot of us can't afford to make it into a store so we go to craft shows and we work at our homes and we I work well 24 hours a day just about for what I do and I get really
good feedback from people it's a quick market and I personally don't feel like it affects the businesses because of our location the time we do it it's a quick Market 10 to 14 vendor and it's been well received and I understand the parking
issue I don't need to park on them um that's not an issue for me for parking if you want me to make it smaller to go I did start off with 10 and then when you raise the fees for the events I requested last year to have a few more vendors you w I would go back to 10 I
don't have an issue with that and this is not something I really make money off of doing I just do it because it gives myself and other Crafters like myself a venue for selling what we do and I know at the last meeting there was talk about
popups and other stores or you know that's really hard unless you're a really tight with some of these stores you're not going to get a pop up in these stores I I know how it works and also for stores to sell our items that's great but then they mark them up and
we it's it's kind of not how the crafting thing works so anyway I hope I'm you know for me it's a positive thing and I live here and I know how people feel about it so that's all I can
say so thank you thank you Mary anybody else in the audience like to come up hi um M cello I'm a resident of Long Beach Township um this is my son Christian we um started the Sunset Market um last year and we want to just
thank you for taking a chance on us last year we really had a really great season despite our wind issues thank you Mary CLA for handling all of that um I want to thank all of you for opening up the dialogue for craft fairs because I think it's it's an issue that we have not
discussed in full and I think it's a good time to really start talking about these events that that are ongoing um when we started the sunset market last year we had the same concerns as all of you that I that I heard at the um
January meeting um probably the same concerns that the Beach Haven Chamber of Commerce came up with the in their survey um but what we were trying to do was kind of capitalize on the beauty of
our of this town of of the heart of Long Beach Island um specifically at sunset time um that is actually when like I live here I've lived here for 25 years and um that's my favorite time of the night it's it's quiet people are coming out for dinner and so so we thought well
this would be a great spot let's do something different not in the morning not on a Saturday in the middle of the week uh when you are not only drawing the people that are shopping that are here on vacation or living here but you're also able to have people that
come from the mainland um they come from all different towns because they can get here we all know how the weekends are they're a mess and the traffic is horrendous um so that was our thought um our vendors were very care Yul chosen I will tell you that last year to do the
best that we could to not compete with the local businesses we were trying to bring this community feel it was when I was there working with u my son-in-law he he kicks me out of his Booth um but when I was walking around I did see this natural flow of people that were okay
I'm GNA check out these stores I'm going to come off the skooners warp I'm gonna do this craft fair and it was just a really nice feel that feel that I don't know how long all of you have been here but that feeling that I had when I was a kid and I was like wow we're just it's a nice community and everybody is so excited um you know Coastal Creations
that's the business that's technically my business on paper um but it's really Christian's business you know and I and I joke all the time and we have Crafters here tonight that are our vendors um and I always say like never thought at my age I'd be working for my 16-year-old son but I am um and you know it's just
really really fun but I don't think that people realize too that there's a lot that goes into being a crafter um there's a lot of time there's a lot of setup there's a lot of money would all of us love to have a brick and mortar store yeah probably um but you know for a 16-year- old kid
starting a business that's not an option so um you know we really just would love to continue I know we put in for two more weeks this year I thought maybe the beginning of the season the end of the season um if we could at least get what we had last year that that would be
wonderful um and I just I brought notes because I didn't want to forget to say anything um but our vendors they are if we look at it like a competition it's really not our vendors are bringing people they have a
following I mean social media so somebody saying oh okay Coastal Creations is going to be here on a Wednesday night hey I'm gonna come over here and I'm gonna bring my friends and you know and then while they're there they're not just shopping the maybe 15 or 10 or however many vendors we have
set up they're they're going around town they're going to our food establishments they're shopping the other stores I mean we have a wonderful relationship um specifically with one of the stores that's literally directly across from us um chicks and I mean actually chick made made our sweatshirts um so we're all
about that Community feel we are all about trying to work together we don't want to make anybody uncomfortable or think that this is oh you know come and Shop with us and don't shop at the stores of course not um I know specifically with Christian's business you know he has a lot of beautiful
jewelry he does um he hand drills a seag glass it's different um but if he doesn't have something he'll say hey you know what why don't you go up to scooner Warf at Jenna James or why don't you go over across the street because we really really work together um one of the
things that we were really excited about last year is kind of bringing in that nonprofit um or some some nonprofits we actually and Christian's going to speak more to this but when he start Ed his business at 12 if you can believe that
um he I said to him all right if we're going to start a business let's make sure that we are doing something that we are giving back to the town to some organization and so his first year we gave back to Alliance for living ocean um and now we've kind of veered into the Beach Haven charter fishing Association
the wreath ball Initiative for the junior mates that's kind of our really important um organization that we work with and so I think you'll find that with I know specifically with with our Market I know with Mary's Market we give back to the area and really trying to
show especially young people hey this is something that we can do um and I think he's a fine you know yes he's my child but he's a fine example of what young people can do and I think people are pretty impressed with that um so let's
see what else did I wanted to say um oh I did have some thoughts for um I did hear your concerns um and I respect them and I understand them and I thought well maybe you know maybe we could actually keep this dialogue going maybe we could work more together um maybe the council
would be interested in taking a look at the vendors that we would like to book maybe you want to say in that absolutely I mean I think more more minds are better than one um we also thought maybe we could do um you know a free spot for a shop Spotlight this year maybe one of
the brick and Mort stores is interested hey pop up a tent next to us let's let's bring it all together we're all here in one you know in one group in this beautiful field that is really kind of underused for the for the season um so with that said I just want to introduce
uh Christian he's got a couple things to say and I thank you for your time thank you thank you uh I'm Christian uh I'm like the face behind postal Creations it's the small jewelry business with like seag glass um I'm also a junior at Southern and I participate in the marching band jazz bands Jazz ensembles
pit orchestras um and I like she said I did start my business at 12 just simply because I wanted a job and legally in the state I could not have one um but my uncle actually inspired me to have them because he had a store um actually in Bay Village seaw wall artifacts it was a
little gift shop um last season I attended over 60 craft markets including the sun our Sunset Market the C City Farmers Market The beachen Artisan Market St Francis craft show The JCC show um one that we also run at Southern Regional and the Stafford Wine Festival
which actually miss SNY I had the pleasure of working with your grandson at that Riley and the craft show Community has accepted me as an equal not just some kid anymore who just makes jewelry and I appreciate them and have learned so much from these towns of people um also as
mentioned before a portion of our proceeds each year has been donated to Alliance for living ocean and now um to the reall um association with the the chaden charter fishing Association and my brother actually uh started as a mate and he's now one of their associate members um and he's
attending trade school for marine mechanics and is currently working on as captain's license um and nonprofit is uh very important to me and if we do get approved we currently have a confirmation from the charter fishing fishing Association uh the Southern
Regional marching band and we've also invited the Beach Haven fire company and the first aid Squad as well to pop up aent um either weekly or dates as they choose um and I also believe that these organizations uh with the help of the community will draw more attention to
the Wednesday night markets um I also just want to thank you guys for the opportunity to apply again this year thank you very much thank you uh I'm Janine sey owner of eagleswood Creations um located over in West Creek grew up over here on Long
Island third generation local um I am a vendor at their markets um I did over 57 craft fairs between Beach Haven and the mainland this past summer this is my job I became disabled four
years ago this is what I do now to keep my mind going to keep my health going and to try to do something as far as an income for my family um without these craft fairs there's a lot of us crafters
and vendors um we can't get a job where we can work 40 hours a week okay in a office setting or a business this is what we do we can do it around our own time our medical issues we can pick and choose where we want to go how we want
to do it the things that I make are woodcrafts I can't pick up and buy a brick and mortar okay my stuff would not work in a brick and mortar I would not be able to bring in in the income on a
monthly basis to stain rent a mortgage or whatever it would it would take to have a quote-unquote brick and Mort um this is what we do I have a following of over 3,000 people on my Facebook um these people know where our
vendor events are I advertise like crazy I support the towns I make sure everybody knows um I organize my own craft fairs down at the Veterans Museum okay where I bring in vendors that I've met through these organizations and you
know advertise for them we need these events okay Beach Haven is one of my busiest times when we come down here this is where I make I'm going to say probably 80% of my income the tourists that come down they look for us I will
sell something on a Saturday at one of the events and the next thing that they ask me is when are you going to be back can we order something custom from you when can we pick it up if we didn't have these events on a continuous basis we wouldn't be able to make the custom
items we wouldn't be able to service our customers okay we wouldn't have to have them coming to our personal homes I don't know about you guys I'm not real comfortable with like strangers shopping off my back deck okay this is what I want to do um
we have no problem with being jured and I don't know if you're all familiar with the term terminology of jured it's where the organizer has to pick and choose who comes in okay you send them their photos you send them your license you send them all the documents that's required to be
jured they pick and choose you're not going to get Ori on the trading junk you're not going to turn around and get flea market as I used to call it okay if you do it jured and most of us have no problem doing that you can basically pick and choose who you want to have
there okay so a suggestion if that's what you guys are concerned about us competing with your brick and mortars in town make them Jed events make them where we have to submit to you what we're selling and you approve who comes then you don't have to worry about
15,000 people making tumblers 25,000 people making you know certain different types of you know chachis and I'm I'm going to call them chachis because there's so many out there um organizing I say it we do need this the tourists look for us it brings a ton of tourists
in because they look for these events because it's something to do you know rainy days people are like oh craft fairs don't work on rainy days I'm GNA tell you right now I make more money on a rainy day in Beach Haven at one of these craft fairs that any other time because the people are looking for
something to do and it promotes the town so I thank you for listening um I hope you reconsider you know not allowing us to do these things but like I said this is this is our livelihood and I really would appreciate it if you take that into
consideration thank you is there anybody else in the room who would like to come up and speak hey guys haven't been up here in a while miss you guys um I'm Don Miller I'm from uh Tuckerton New Jersey but I own uh cers Shack South and Jenna James
jewelry uh in be Haven um I can't lie obviously uh being a brick and mortar business owner and also obviously I'm the board of director of uh of the Chamber of Commerce uh myself um I I definitely to start want the
vendors to know that especially as a as a retail business owner like everything every one of them said I and am more than sympathize with like we understand and like you know I'm you know it's inspiring um when when you talk about how it is
expensive uh to have a brick-and mortar business and to rent a brick and mortar business in Beach Haven uh there's no one who understands that obviously more than the people who do rent uh the brick and morar businesses in Beach Haven and have to deal with things like payroll and insurance and all of those costs
that come associated with it and I understand different businesses scale in a different way and they're more receptive to Brick and Mortar versus craft entirely sympathetic of that um and when you talk about having an event um that brings business to the
area as a business owner and as a member of the Chamber of Commerce we are 100% in favor of having events uh and it sounds as if that is the way it is going and if um listening to the tone of of of the organizers and the vendors I think we're probably far closer on the same
page than we probably originally maybe thought and realized we're we're in favor of having them a few days um we're in favor of them especially coming in in in June and September and October um what I think got most of us most nervous was hearing
uh Wednesday and Thursday all through July and August um if that's not the case anymore and it sounds like it is not then I feel like we're probably like I said a lot closer than we originally thought um an event and a craft fair again is something that we're supportive
um having space on on the lawn which is not a flea Marketplace if it is once a year for a child Fest and that is all um could you either speak louder or hold the mic hold it up a little bit higher I'm sorry um but having having it twice
a week straight through July and August for us it just felt like if that was ever the case it just kind of felt like kind of um kind of kind of poaching some of the business that we obviously have counted on um because I understand that that is your that everyone's livelihood and hearing
that you know a cloudy day in Ju July is what can make a year for us we get it that's what makes a year for us too um but th those of us who rent those businesses keep in mind we're not just there in the rainy days in July um that
do actually make our year I was open today I did zero dollars and I was open Friday I did zero dollars and I'm not complaining I did have a couple kids come in and hang out and skate my ramp for a while and but that's what the local businesses who brick and morar do you know I mean we're here in the offseason and we do nothing this time of
year for the community so that when it is good and we do have rainy days in July we can afford to be able to do those kinds of things so you know I'm hyper supportive of these types of events especially in the shoulder season
and to some extent in peak season just as long as it's done so and it sounds like as if the council and and this group wants to do so not at the expense of the brick and borders okay thanks guys thank you anybody else in the
room hi my name is Maria I own Buddy's Pet Stop in schoers worth I don't know why I'm up here I wasn't planning on speaking um and I don't know which side of the coin I fall on right now because I own a brick and
water store so everything that Donnie and Matt said applies to me also especially with the competition of a natural organic pet store it's very Fierce however because I am a brick and water store and because I need to reach
all of the islands I work with Mary and some of the craft shows um I do the Surf City Market on Monday mornings but and I do that to sell some of my products but also to let people know in different parts of the borrow where I am and they
come to find me so I love the idea of bringing more people to the area however I I love the idea of what you said too of letting us not letting us approve that doesn't sound right I don't want to step on anybody's toes but finding out what they're selling because if I'm
sitting here selling a biscuit that I imported that cost me $5 and they're selling one for $2 it's going to hurt my business so like I said if if it's not competing and they're bringing people in
great but if it's going to compete with me like Donnie said we're working now and I'm paying $300 a month for Comcast I'm paying payroll taxes I'm paying tax I'm paying everything and I'm making $20 right now for the day but just to show people that I'm there so we only make
our money literally even though we're open all year two or three months out of the year so I go I'm understanding both sides I guess from my input as a business owner I would like to see them whatever they have if they're not competing directly with our
businesses that might sway Us in that direction so just my two sense thank you thank you anybody else hello everyone my name is Nick pakis I have the coffee Boutique in uh Beach Haven um we've been around for
about 20 years um I have to say I can totally sympathize and understand where you're coming from we also attend craft markets we have a mobile food truck we go to probably a lot of the events that you guys go to as well so I I get that um that whole thing and I do think there
is room for Synergy to occur I think the question would become um in addition to what uh everyone has said before me is how can it become most mutually beneficial to all and I think where
there's a lot of common ground to be made would be on those shoulder Seasons where Beach Haven struggles to bring people into town and the businesses like Donnie has said and we experience it as well where you're really not doing a whole lot of business and so there
becomes maybe a mutual mutually beneficial relationship there and I think those are the ones that are always the most successful where we can help support what you're doing you can help support what we're doing and I think it's where a lot of the Common Ground
may be I know it's a lot um it's a lot harder of a cell for us during July and August because the struggle of getting people down here in Beach Haven really doesn't exist we we we really have quite a captive audience for a really special
place um and I just think that where where where there's a lot of Common Grounds is how we can help each other during those leaner times um I'm I'm all for craft markets and craft fairs and like I said I'm I'm one of them we have a mobile food truck that goes around um
and we specifically stay off the island not only because it's generally not accepted on the island but even in those events where they're there we we we tend to refrain from that specifically not to step on the toes of our fellow businesses that do have brick and
mortars we try to be mindful of that but I uh it doesn't mean to say that um I I think there's something there for there to exist a real good Synergy and we can turn this into a real positive if we can all be mindful of each other's goals that's it
thank you thank you anybody else in the room like to speak no I seeing none how about Zoom see Sally public hi there is now a good time
yes yes hey great good evening uh my name is Sally Pete and I'm uh at 125 Center Street and I'm here today to speak both as a homeowner and as a member of the Parks and Recreation committee um I understand that the past
uh few comments in person have been about the craft fair proposal at uh inbay Village um but I wanted to make a comment this evening about um the craft fairs in Veterans Park and
I just before I launch into the thing that I have to say want to make sure now is a good time to share that yeah sure okay great um so and I I do believe that there are opportunities as was just previously said for mutually
beneficial relationships and also balancing the needs of different stakeholders uh in the fall of 2023 the park and Parks and Recreation committee conducted a survey receiving feedback from nearly 2,000 respondents on what
they would like to see improved in our parks there were two key takeaways from this survey that relates um uh to what we're talking about um the first one is that um people really love the open
spaces and parks in Beach Haven um it's really one of our right treasured um assets um uh of our town and that specifically Veterans Park is the most frequently used public space right after the beach and the
bay um respondents have expressed a desire for more trees shade and beautification of the park so that the park can be enjoyed by residents visitors here round um the second comment from the survey is that people want more events
in Beach Haven they do like the craft fairs they also would like to see Sports tournaments movie Nights Community Gatherings of all types really to create a lively and connected Community atmosphere um bring more visitors that
support our businesses and just have you know a a continue to have a more fun uh community so in support of the first point I wanted to applaud the burrow for the recent improvements made to Veterans
Park including the installation of new Irrigation in irrigation and sad in the fall of 2024 so the Veterans Park um this fall was absolutely stunning it was beautiful
with the brand new grass um these upgrades not only improve the Park's appearance but also enable us to plant much needed trees along the Park's perimeter in the upcoming years now that there's irrigation and that the trees
will provide shade on the GR trees plus the grass improve storm water absorption and help the park be even more beautiful and functional so I believe that the Boro has wisely invested significant Grant dollars into the planting of the
new sad and we are very very grateful for that um Additionally the popular Heritage Day event um will continue to raise funds uh for the beautification of Veterans Park so I uh want to thank the
organizers of The Craft and flea market fairs um but also other event organizers like cap and the Wednesday night concerts the LBI Museum the Beach Haven chamber um and anyone else who brings
more activities to be shaven um um that said um I do believe and that um I have a concern to to share about um limiting or the need for folks to parkk on the
lawn um because the parking of vehicles in the lawn uh in the long term and if done on a repeated basis week after week um in Veterans Park will harm the grass
and essentially kill that grass that we just um invested that the borrow just invested so much money in and that we are all excited to enjoy this next summer um and the reason for that um and I've you know done some research from
various sources but that the weight of vehicles compress the soil um so it destroys the roots and um repeated parking on the grass leads to dead patches um they block sunlight they crush the grass and make it difficult
for the grass to regrow and of course the bare spots um not only are they ugly but that they create sediment run off that clog our storm drains so I uh while fully in support of having these various
activities craft fairs and events in the park would like to just make a comment to um do our best to limit uh parking on the grass I know that parking of emergency vehicles or parking of people
um be they vendors or or attendees of events who have disabilities um are necessary um I would like to see some more guidelines and um balancing of these needs so that
we're not just um basically parking using the brand new new uh newly refurbished Veterans Park as a parking lot uh thank you very much thank you Sally thank you Sally
anybody else online p pulo go ahead Pam hi well I'm the promoter of those events that we're all talking about um and I have all the same concerns and would like to express the fact that I will take care of as much
of what we need to do um But like everyone has said the I am also a store owner so I know what it's like to sit in the store January February March and make no money and work rely on the rest of the year to pay for it um the events
that I run in the park are I have it is they are juried I do not allow just anybody in I I have eliminated many people in the past um I do have store owners who come in and
participate the one that's almost there every show is the matad hatter she there every every show I have the shows I do run are fundraisers for the cap and for the historical society and the others I've offered to do um donations to the
first aid the school the police department the fire company I've done that in the past um and they've turned it down but I have offered that um the vendors who come do
have a following they bring people into town I over already gotten I started getting phone calls the beginning of January when are the shows I need to book my rental I want to come the week that the show is going to be there so I
hear it over and over and over again that they plan their vacations around when we have an event because then they stay and they go to dinner they go to Fantasy Island they go to the coffee shop they go to our fees they go all over um in addition to to our event but
that's what initially brings them in then they sit by the Gazebo and they have their fun with their children or their their animals so I've watched it over and over I have been promoting the shows for over 17 years I've been a crafter at the shows for 32 years but I
know they have gone on that for many years before I even took them over so it's it's it's an event that it's a Lifeline it's the people look for this stuff every year and like I say I'm more than willing to help with the parking um
but that's going to be an issue I can't just have these V vendors putting their vehicles wherever because then that's going to take up parking for the customers that will frequent the other stores so that's going to be an issue and I'm willing to work with it but I
need a a I need a an answer for where I'm going to put these cars if you don't want me to put them in the park I don't know what else to say um you already have my applications I've submitted them to Mary CLA and um hopefully we can all work together and
make this as good a season as we have had in the past thank you hello can hello hi am I may I speak is this onesto yes yes
speaking okay hi uh good evening thanks for letting me uh have a voice I am uh please state your name and address oh I'm sorry my name is onesto Pete I own the home at 114 Amber street so my home and with along with my wife gwendelyn
binder our home fronts Veterans Park so we are very thankful to have that uh treasure right in front of us and we do use the home both personally and as a rental for people who come and of course the most important season being the summer I
personally uh enjoy the the fairs very much but I want to uh mirror uh Sally Pete's concerns about losing what we just put in there it'd be a shame for us to uh disregard all the
effort By ignoring it and I understand uh Pam I believe uh saying that there has to be some solution I was just wondering if it's if it's possible we could set aside some parking maybe two or potentially three blocks away which usually are a little bit more open um in
the mornings because around Veterans Park obviously gets a little bit crowded earlier on but over in Pearl and Coral Street and even one over there's tends to be a lot more parking in the morning where the vendor when the vendors are
coming in so I would make that suggestion and I I am quite thankful and encouraged that everyone is really uh I think being very conscious about all the aspects of uh the vendors there and that's just what I wanted to say thank
you thank you thank you if you're on zoom and you have something you'd like to say you can raise your hand electronic hand or you can show your you know turn your video on and raise your physical hand
no no one else no one else okay sorry [Music] Jack hi evening uh Jack gartland uh can you hear me uh I live at 339 ess6 Avenue Beach Haven
um I'm also on the parks and recck committee uh I would just like to uh I totally agree with uh Sally pety statement I mean I think all the time and effort and money that's put into fixing up Veterans Park uh between
putting in new side irrigation the the all the you know the the water expense and everything but it just doesn't make any sense uh to let people just blatantly Park on there um parking has been an issue here forever um so maybe somebody needs to
look into some ways to solve that uh on top of the many other problems that you have um but I am not against the having the fairs or I think it's a great idea uh maybe we could block out some spaces on angleside Avenue that they could use
on the days they come um but um you know we just I don't think it makes sense to put all that money into it and then just wreck it by you know all the parking that would be on there that's it thank you
thanks anyone else ham is Raising her hand again why not Pam I'm been trying to ask you to unmute okay is that better yes can you hear me now yes yes
okay um I did meet with Mary CLA and Sherry earlier in the season um in regards to the parking situation and trying to resolve parking on the streets two blocks or three blocks away or possibly trying to use one of the parking lots over at Burrow at the
burrow Park parking lots um so we are trying to work on those um but I can't there's going to be some situations where some of the vehicles are going to have to be there because it's just impossible to with someone who is
handicapped to be able to Buggy lug or carry their things all across the lawn and then the vehicle's going in and out in the morning and then coming back at night and picking up so we are trying to work out other parking Arrangements thank you thank
you that's all I see anyone else okay so now it becomes a council discussion anybody want to dive in first I'll go first I kind of have a lot to say so um first of all thank you
everyone for coming and and speaking up and um it's a pleasure to to meet uh Mary and your your lovely son Christian and Mom you've done a great job and you know 16 wow like my grandkids need to take a page out of your book but
um I I really applaud the small Artisan markets and agree completely that our markets that we allow in town should be more jured I fully agree with that to have a you know a better level of handmade items by
New Jersey residents or just you know people are neighbors and um I think that would be a great idea that's one of the things that I feel really strongly about with all due respect to Pam I don't think the flea market she says they're jured they're not I mean this is a picture of one of
the things she had last summer in the Park which is a Giant RV which is basically giving you chair massages that is not what I want to see in our park ever I mean unless we run a marathon and after the marathon you would have that there that's because it's you know
medical recovery um we don't need that and that vehicle would definitely damage our grass in November Beach Haven voters told us that they care about our open space and Parks the referendum passed
it's you know we it speaks for itself it's also a passion of mine um we have our newly fra uh F uh framed non profet friends of Beach Haven that has dedicated um its organization to
improving public parks and spaces within Beach Haven only in fact as Sally mentioned and I agree with everything Sally said I mean she basically wrote my script um and all monies from Heritage day go directly into Veterans Park there
are a lot of people with the parks committee and and we on Council we all care about our parks and we want to see them beautiful and beautified and active we want to you know see lots of events in our Parks last year Veterans Park was 80% dead um and I'm sure you've all seen
the beautiful grass that we have received to grant for and made up the difference and it looks great um not I'm sure you've all noticed that the brand is now enjoying the park very much it's been a big flock of uh Birds living there in my opinion um my opinions are
twofold I've spoken to the the Anthony and S the the owner of the irrigation company and the owner of the sad business that that won the bids back and did did the irrigation and the sod in our park they both Anthony assured me
that the new sprinklers are actually hard heartier than the sod um but the sod is an industrial sod that should be able to be driven on some both of them stressed over and over that we should use common sense if we are going to in
fact let anyone Park on the grassed Veterans Park or even in on Taylor Avenue um driving up they said driving on it should be okay but that very much
depends on rainfall leading up to a given event and a large event such as our flea markets and our craft show in veterans not um Mary's Artisan show is and she was right away really right away
Mary and I thank you for said we won't park there no problem we will just set up and we'll park somewhere else that's what I want to see um both said that they would be very concerned about very large trucks um both installers wholeheartedly agreed
that after a big rainfall heavy truck will sink down and cause ruts which are very hard to repair um both installers also said that after a couple of rainy days or heavy rainfall cars and trucks make backing in
to the corners making K turns turning around that will be part problematic um they said the vehicles should if we allow them drive in and drive out without backing up we really need to be mindful of that especially after a rainfall
um I think if it's a really dry spell it might withstand better than other times but I think that we should be thinking about this moving forward to this summer both experts agree that the big ruts are our biggest problem um they go down to the subgrade
and they're very difficult to successfully fix um I'm not so sure that our bid specs were correct and that I think that our subgrade according to them was subpar and not really setting us up for success I tried over and over and over
again to um make sure you know I I don't really I'm not sure about that but I'm concerned about it um the bottom lines is we all we need to use common sense we need to avoid a large volume of big trucks and I'm simply asking for two
things to use common sense and do not allow vendors to park during the flea markets the craft shows and The Artisan markets um in Veterans Park alone these equal combined 18 events that's a lot that's a lot and the flea market which I
don't even know why we have a flea market I think the craft show is fine and I but the flea market I think sells um a lot of chachkies to use your term and I I much rather see a more um upscale jewelry market antique show
like they have in barn get light or Clover Market that they have other areas something like that um uh I suggest um that we require and we've talked about this Mary CLA thank you for your email um
possibly having a uh any for any event where you will be having parking to post a park Bond or to be able to figure out how we can assure that if there is damage that then that they will be liable our head of uh our
new head of Department of Public Works agrees with this as well um additionally out of respect to our businesses I think that we should limit the number of large markets during the summer month and should only allow quality shows as I said
um never should we be giving permission for this type of nothing to do with art craft nothing but pure profit it's not something I want to see and I don't think that any of us want to see that um it's Bas you know massage chairs in the
park it's not necessary um the majority of our businesses pay a lot of money to be here they pay taxes they have Mercantile fees they they're here in the Janu in February you know thank you for that and we owe them um the respect that they deserve that being said it does
help a town VI the Vitality of a town to have a farmers market and um small Artisan shows that bring a different flavor to our town and it's nice to see activity so that's my two cents I hope that you will um I hope that I can count
on coun my fellow council members to understand um that we're not trying to get rid not I personally am not trying to get rid of um all of the events in the Parks far from it I'd like to see a lot more like Art in the Park for kids and you know
the the yoga with coats whatever it is just not I am I am against the flea market and I am really want to limit the large markets and I certainly think that we should if we allow parking in the park they we should have anyone who has
for example cap Cap's always going to park in there they need to we I understand that but I don't think there's any reason why we can't say you just need a parking attendant that can guide people in and guide people out here's where you can park and how you know maybe not have them parked in the
corners where it gets to be a little wetter or you know squishy there are ways that we can fix this um there are ways that we can make it all work I just think we have to think about it and plan ahead thank you
thank you anybody else want to jump in next or I'll jump in okay um thank you kitty I I agree with you 100% I know you did you spent a lot of time with this you spent a lot of time with the businesses and The Artisans trying to
find some type of Middle Ground so thank you for that I agree with you 100% we voted last year for for beautification we we can't have both we have to make compromise if we want our parks to look nice we have to maintain them and
we have to unfortunately you know sacrifice a little of what we have done in the past because we wanted we want voted for beautification and I also voted for it so I do agree with you I was just looking at um some of the numbers and one of my main concerns what separates Beach Haven from all the other
towns on this island is our business district so we really have it's really tricky because it's so expensive to have a business in Beach Haven it's not like having a business anywhere else including the mainland a lot of businesses have gone to the mainland because it has been cheaper but
they're not as successful because of obviously the tourism here so we have really to I I want to use the word protect but we do have to help them as much as we can because it it
does we take care of us exactly so there's only 62 days in July and August in July and August and out of those 62 days 21 of those days we have one of these markets and unfortunately I love a I love a good craft show I love a good
Artisan Market I I do agree with with the businesses and and the Beach Haven chamber that we have to kind of focus more on an event to bring in people to support the businesses and not having a direct competition with our businesses
so I do support more of a shoulder season with the the themed event although I do I do also agree with Kitty with these small Artisan markets where they they actual crafts I do like to see those um
but I don't think there should be as many as there are currently I don't think that 21 days out of 62 days is fair for the businesses I I just don't so I'm looking to limit the amount of even small Artisan markets for the
business is and that's right now that that's where where I'm where I'm thinking and absolutely no no parking on Veterans Park as far as you know the concerts and whatnot I guess we can figure something out but I mean we all go to concerts and
we all have to find parking I don't see what I don't see how that is any different but I'm always the Negative Nancy anyway so okay I'll jump in next um couple of things that came out
uh first of all I think there's two issues that we're we're discussing here we're talking about parking we're talking about the number of events so going back to the number of events um I think a very valid point was made we do have businesses we have to consider and
especially during the season because as they say they get a rainy day and nobody's coming to their store oh well that's a loss for them I know there was a request for rain dates and things like that but then you're tying up the field another time that other businesses or
activities couldn't use it um I think there's a compromise to be had here I think right now we have too many of the uh Craft um not sure is it flea markets that are the bigger number uh but I think we need to compromise on that I
think we can easily cut it in half and still have the attraction into our town um you know I always hear Beach Haven Beach Haven we love Beach Haven Beach Haven is a great town for a special reason but there are other places on the island that could host some events and I
think as long as Beach Haven is picking it all up everybody's happy but barning at light has Viking Village I don't know if they have anything else that they run up there but I think if we could start looking at some other places instead of making Beach Haven always the one because it does affect our businesses and I don't think that's fair um the
parking on the field issue well here's where I'm going to be the Renegade because I was part of the parks direct committee I was sat in on all those discussions and I must have asked 10 times will this affect the use of the field because it is a very well-used
field it's a very popular place for everything and as long as we can keep using it as it was always used in the past okay and we were always told we have this great sod it can handle pretty much everything and yes it can and as
somebody who did work those flea markets I can't imagine parking a couple blocks away and trying to you know shle that stuff over and God forbid somebody wants something and you don't have it in your car or it's in your car which is now three blocks away so to me if we're
going to allow cap parking or anything and I think we should allow cap parking we have a huge turnout for that and there is no parking place on Wednesdays in the summer there is none so I think the field needs to be used as a functional field some accommodations can
be made but as far as saying no to all the parking I don't think that's realistic and I think it goes against what we were led to believe um I know the U charitable aspect came up Christian I believe you brought that up and I think that's a great idea um I do
applaud that and I think that's a wonderful thing that you're doing and I hope that maybe some of the others could also pick up on that thread um like I said I do think there's a compromise to be had here but I don't want to see any increase and I think as far as the
actual summertime activities in Veterans Park there could be definitely a decrease and the other thing and I I believe uh Janine you mentioned it about not really wanting to I know we had our store we took Consignment items I know it cuts down on your profit but I think
that's also a way to work with the business Community it may not be the easiest thing but trying to find that compromise you know that's where I stand I guess I'm next I'm done okay
um I don't think that we should be bringing people into town to and have competitions against the people that have their businesses if there's a way to regulate that that would be great can you do it I don't know this is something that we're going to have to sit down and
talk about um as far as vehicles on the field depending on what you're putting up there I don't I certainly don't want to see tractor trailers up there uh as far as I mean if it's lightweight Vehicles we were told that these these um the
grass will be able to handle that and as far as I know I don't think everybody's they're not running up there every day or every I I yeah I I know what you I know you're saying and I understand and I agree that they shouldn't be on the on
the side there's no F hands buts about it but uh as far as I'm I'm looking I didn't think there was according to this there was that many um Crest faires that are going to be up there seven well combined seven and then combined yeah
but they're not they're not going to be parking up on just in terms of the businesses you know what I mean and the that's and that's why I I like their point where they say that they could um decide who comes in and who doesn't come in so they're not interfering with
somebody else's business okay um and again I I my personal opinion is I think we could I think we could work it out with the the vehicles on U Veterans
Park I mean you don't want the real heavy Vehicles up there and there shouldn't be with the with a flea market that's all I have well my comment is maybe we should consider equal days for each vendor if
they want to do five during the summer or six not one person doing 10 when somebody else doing five and U maybe the length of the vendor 3 hours four hours all day get some consistency there and the jured items so we know what's going
to be there is a good idea and uh like at Sunset just a question for you at 9:00 isn't it kind of dark and lot
of we have light which kind of really nice magic time and how was parking at at that hour those hours only they would unlo
and then wherever they could find yeah I mean that time of the day we were setting lotet so we can't Reg
so Sunset Park for us we usually pull up to the unload everything you're concerned with Veterans Park for us we there would be no parking for us no way we could partake in anything because we can't
notice into a parking spot you know so there's there's not a double parking spot and I'm gonna tell you 60% of your vendors either are in a panel van or they have those CL haulers there's a lot of us that have you know look up little like utility trailers
love our St and if we can't park in our spot or by our spot you know there there's just no parking be aen and you're staying three four blocks away three Insanity to
like that is and I am sympathetic to business owners too who have all their expenses and they're here year round well I mean just to give an people that do not live here in Beach Haven like tonight I had to go to the
pharmacy and Sam stays open till six sometimes 6:30 and she doesn't have to do that and eventually we're going to lose that Pharmacy eventually we'll lose businesses that will stay open year round for people that live here and she has a lot of stuff in there that could
be kind of like in direct competition with with our craft shows so again my first priority are are the businesses that are here the brick Immortal that's my first priority you know my second priority tourism this and that we don't have problem bringing people in during July and August we just don't we don't
have a problem so what I'm saying is that we're going to have to limit these in July and August June September craft away but we have to take care of our own first and I've always said that and might hurt some feelings but that's how
it is I think that um we heard a lot of great things tonight um I think Mary CLA and I would like to kind of bring it all together and make some decisions and run them by you guys and see if we can get things moving can I add one more thing
because I I heard I mean I agree with you know I think this is really good this is important this is what what we're here to do and um it's I think it's a real positive step um we did think that we would be able to have all of the events in on just back to the saw
just because I just want to clear that up but I don't think that ever with that was considered that all these big trucks would be parking there during the event and the events can happen if if they're approved but the trucks that come with
them sorry it's just you know I don't know I just maybe we don't need them and as far as kaplers goes Sam is Sam Kelly is one of the she's really against the flea market and the craft show she's spoken to me several times she said it kills her business they take up parking
she is one of those businesses I again I don't know what we would do without her I thank God we have kapler's Pharmacy I think we've all benefited from them and and are really grateful for them and at the holidays she gives us those horse and Buggies she is what I mean all of our business owners give back to the
community but but Sam is a stellar example along with fanty Island and some others that really give back and we owe them the consideration yeah go ahead com sure Andy come on [Music]
up I just wanted to say um this is Mary Claire I just want to say thank you to all of my event applicants who have shown up tonight um I see online we have um members of cap members of the historical Association um we have Beach
Haven businesses here um this is wonderful and um I appreciate everybody taking their time to come out and um make themselves heard so thank you very much thank you for your hard work Anderson former resident of Beach Haven
live in pury Arizona now uh but I know a little bit about the Veterans Park and U I was wondering I drove by today and I saw the side I think it's absolutely beautiful it' be commended on that effort of beautification in Beach Haven
um do you know if that uh if a sprinkler system was installed for that yeah yes it does have an irrigation system and it was done in a commercial way so they it's down I don't think yeah Steve's not here down at a sprinkler
heads yeah what kind heavy duty sprinkler heads okay um and do you know um what did they put down in preparation of putting the sod on top of it wow that was your baby well I don't know exactly
what it was but um we went back and forth and back and forth on this and we I I personally spoke to takaho Turf Farm quite a bit and I know Frank little you know Frank still our engineer and he worked on this um a couple of different opinions on
that and I think we ended up based upon what Anthony and S told me with um the bare minimum for a success now I'm sad to hear that and and I couldn't reach Frank today so I couldn't really corroborate that there also was the the school of thought that if we put too
much top soil or whatever the soils are that you put down and again I am not the person did really give you this answer but that it could be too squishy and not that squishy is a technical term so I think there is a reason why they did what they did but I don't think
there's a whole lot of top soil underneath there um which I guess could be good and bad depending on how much rain we have before an event but um but they do think I mean they did tell they all told us that you could drive on it um with common sense you know and a cars
certainly and some events but um my aneno Park is the is the Veterans Park is the location of former angleside motel and what was there before this sad was
um a local weed that looks like grass mostly crab grass growing in sand crab grass does really well in sand Turf does not that's why they probably put down mushroom soil would be the best they probably use something
they did use some mushroom soil yeah okay that that's a really good product to use it can be a little spongy um but uh driving on S that's on basically on top of sand it's going to give there's
no question about it uh the top soil at the baseball field on Taylor Avenue was actually on the grass there was on top of gravel and then top soil and that and if you saw what happened to that s after the um
chowderfest uh the chowderfest uh Chamber of Commerce back in the day basically had to redo that sod every single year uh and that was just pedestrian traffic they didn't put cars on top of
that that grass just heavy heavy traffic um grass is very hard to grow on Long Beach Island it is you're going to be watering it and fertilizing it uh a lot as far as policing the type of vehicles that go on there that's a very difficult
job you know you can make up rules that say you can't have a vehicle over a half ton pickup truck uh you can't have a dual dual wheel vehicle on there uh you don't know about the trailers you don't know what the weights are that are in those trailers that that they might
bring in um and you can't control what people do with their steering wheel you I'm certain sure you've seen some people that before they turn before they back up their car before they go forward they turn the wheel when they do that it's going to dig right into the right into
the grass there will if you put cars on there if you if you permit that there will be damage to it you know so perhaps a compromise we might be uh some sort of security deposit for you know sod repair or sprinkler head repair something like
that um there's also been a lot talking about the sheer amount of parking that is or is not available in Beach Haven one of the reasons you don't have a lot of parking uh in the summertime is because Beach Haven is basically at capacity at some time virtually every
day by bringing something like this in the middle of the summer you're essentially trying to put two gallons of milk in one gallon container um that's you can do it by stretching it heating it up making it thinner
it could happen U another compromise might be considered to move it to Taylor Avenue where there's asphalt uh that parking lot typically does not get completely full during the day but there are portions of it dedicated uh for use for the boat ramp
which is a a dependent use for for that location since there's a boat ramp there but you know some something to talk about um I made myself a note it was ironic if some of you may remember this it was probably about 8 10 years ago New
Jersey Pinelands commission wanted to stop kids from playing soccer on on Tabernacle sod grass's field out in Tabernacle go because they didn't want the people parking cars on the grass in the pin
lands so you they were they were Uber sensitive about putting pars on on grass um um and then somebody mentioned about the handicap parking what we did in one place was we created temporary handicap
parking spaces on the street uh temporary signs temporary posting so you can accommodate an increased demand for uh parking spots for uh people with disabilities um I was making notes as
people were talking uh somebody mentioned about shade trees too we had some shade trees up on the the field uh back in the 90s they're really cool they were a tree that came from President Eisenhower's Farm in
Gettysburg Pennsylvania they're very very special trees uh they should have been able to survive here actually we put in a sprinkler system for it we trenched the entire area around the outside where was this Andy pardon where was this where at the park oh at
maybe one or two of those trees still up there but we basically line the entire park of it was it was a good effort but again it's very difficult to get things to grow on Long Beach is let alone that close to the ocean and that the very
environment and they didn't have irrigation it's a very harsh environment yeah it's it's it's it's tough I mean there's some trees that make it like the pine you know the Black Pines make it and you know if you've got you know Arbor visor Le and cypresses in the right place they can Thrive but in the
open like that pretty tough uh you know great idea but that's that's a tall order so that's my two cents worth thank you it's good to see you Andy was sat up here many years ago
Andy was on our Council right um so the next item on the agenda is public comment but feel like we've pretty much is there anybody who wants to say well go ahead it's public comment you have to come back up so so we can get you on the recording name and address once your decisions made name
and address for the record from 428 Fifth Street Beach Haven Mary derer um so once your decisions are made about the shows are we just going to kind of get notification of what's been decided will
there be discussion for us so I guess that's kind of you know so say I have a market every Friday and you decide to eliminate some of my markets are you just going to tell me we're eliminating the markets is there going to be any discussion about it or I guess are we just going to be
told how it's going to be no I think that once we will determine what the decision will be and then we'll let you know what the decision is and if you want to come in and speak with us and have a dialogue we can okay but yes we're going to deliver a decision okay
okay okay thank you yes name and address please Amy compello um I live at 7712 Long Beach Boulevard and Long Beach Township um with the Wednesday Market another point that I wanted to make was um and and I respect
business owners and I thank you for being here tonight um that is also an a slower night I would imagine for our businesses um because there's the town is holding a concert in Veterans Park so we're kind of having people go up to the concert and so
that's already taking people away so I you know of course we want to bring everybody together but I just kind of wanted to it popped into my head and I just wanted to share it thank you so much Kathy Kathy Riley 200 Berkeley Avenue um I agree with so many of the comments the
Council made I really and we started out with the head of the um business commerci uh commercial businesses saying our business owners our business owners who pay taxes our business owners who
anytime we ask them for a donation um they are so incredibly generous I think we have to take into consideration they are working all year they are paying taxes so we certainly
don't want to do anything that's going to take away from them I think we also have to realize we just spent a lot of money beautifying Veterans Park I happened to be walking by it this afternoon I knew nothing about this
meeting I was walking by myself and I thought oh my goodness Veterans Park looks fabulous I can't wait to see it when we have trees maybe this is the summer we really slow down so that the grass can
fully um take root take root um we've spent all this money it looks fantastic if we've got Taylor Park which is maadam why aren't we doing stuff there um and as far as our I don't have a
problem with the craft shows I would eliminate the flea markets the quality it was a little embarrassing um but I have a question how much money do we make from the vendors I'm assuming that they pay a fee
to be on the on the grounds correct right um well each applicant it depends on whether or not one they have a business in Beach Haven two they're nonprofit versus for-profit so in order to have an
event in Beach Haven as a flea market or Artisan Market or any kind of Market um it is a there's an application fee and then there is a rental fee per event they pay $150 okay if they're going to be having
um a you know use of trash um or Public Works helping with stuff like that there's an additional fee there are additional fees for things like um lining the field but that's each individual each event table each table just the whole event the whole event
$150 the the the burrow is not a here to make money off of these events the amount of damage we're going to do to Veterans Park so we us $150 we used to do Park bonds for every single event the money would come in it
would go right back out a month later via resolution um many of the times um after the event the money wasn't used most of the time of a vast majority of the time the park Bond's not used each time the event
ends the the superintendent would have to go out review the area they're still doing that we're just not charging the fee there's a stipulation in the application that if you do not leave the uh event location the way it was found
you will be assessed the charges to fix the area so they're just not giving me a $200 check but they are signing to the stipulation and on the application that any any damage to the area will be paid
not just for the materials but for the time and labor of our staff it the numbers just don't seem worth it for so if she has eight she pays 150 per
event okay well I'm in favor of having fewer events and I'm in favor of preserving this grass that we just put down thank you than anyone else for a public comment how about on
Zoom Sally and S Sally paete yeah actually I think Martha LOD wanted to say something um and if you kindly could um unmute her speaker thank
you thanks Sally there you gotta unmute you have to unmute there you go you're unmuted now we what are we talking about the mouse no no we don't know who that is she's in
Florida tell her we can't hear Martha we can't hear you okay okay we'll close the floor to public comment and we will go to final remarks by Council and Mr mcaffrey before you guys go to final remarks I have a letter
that I'm to read from the beach Haven volunteer PR Company dear mayor Lambert and members of the council first and foremost I want to extend my sincerest apologies for not being able to attend the recent meeting to personally express my gratitude a prior training commitment
required my presence but please know that my appreciation and that of the entire Beach Haven Volunteer Fire Company is no less heartfelt on behalf of our dedicated volunteers I want to thank you for your continued support and for making the payment towards our new
fire apparatus your commitment to funding half of this critical purchase ensures that we have the tools we need to protect the lives and property of Beach Haven residents and visitors firefighting is a job that demands both skill and reliable equipment and thanks
to you we will soon have a modern apparatus that enhances our ability to serve this community safely and efficiently your investment in our department is an investment in the safety of Beach Haven it sends a clear message that our buau values and
prioritizes emergency response and for that we are we are great deeply grateful your partnership allows us to do what we do best answer the call when duty calls as we look ahead we are in the early stages of planning our housing for
October which would traditionally align with our annual block party we're excited about the opportunity to bring the community together and celebrate this important Milestone and we will be sure to share details as plans come together once again thank you for standing with us your unwavering support
makes all the difference and we are honored to serve this town knowing we have leaders like you behind us with deepest appreciation Adam ellender fire chief oh very nice thank you for those of you who don't know we had an opportunity we were going to order a new fire truck and this particular model
would have taken like three years to come in and then as fate would have it the Tuckerton fire department disbanded and they happen to have a new model of the exact vehicle we needed so that's why you heard about the you know the
bonding and all the emergency Appropriations tonight because we want to get our hands on this truck as soon as possible and it was like Mana from Heaven that dropped into our laps so that's what he was Thanking us for thank you okay all right Mr mcaffrey can try
this again try it again okay I'm glad I'm going first because I get to congratulate to Philadelphia e Eagles and all their fans okay they played an absolutely great game and now they now we all have the bragging rights for a year okay and
I hope everybody else has a Happy Valentine's Day this year and or this week and that's all I have thank you Mr Snider thank you um um thank you all for coming it's really
great to see a lot of faces here and on Zoom it's it's it's it just makes our meetings much better and it's better for the town thank you um I hope that um yeah the Eagles yeah might even get to the parade on Friday if anyone wants to come
along um hope that the all of you business owners that are open get a little Boon from the turkey dinner that's coming and uh hopeful that you will all attend it's a great event for the town it just it always blows my mind how many people come into town for the turkey dinner it's like almost to kick
off to Spring but but not quite look forward to that and I again I don't know how what we would ever do without our fire company and we lucky to have Adam and all of our members our volunteers who out were out there today on a call coming back cleaning the trucks it's
just we're we're so lucky to have them so remember that hopefully when you're donating and showing up at the turkey dinner thank you thank you um Miss Sanderson thank you for coming and um we'll continue to work work with
everybody on a resolution with our flea markets craft bearers and business owners in town hopefully we'll come up with a win-win for everybody SP Miller thank you everybody for coming it's always nice to see
people in the in here in February usually there's just a few of us but we listen we will listen to your concerns and we'll make the best decision that we can for uh the betterment of the burrow I will see everybody on Saturday at the turkey dinner hopefully I think
can you give the Deets um it's 12 to 7 is that what I said yes 12 to 7 let me check yes the turkey dinner is 12 to 7 you can do you can take you can eat in or you can take out it's a it's a great
event all of the kids will be volunteering their time there waiting on you so tip them well they're working for uh for nothing and I'll see everyone because I think I'm I think I'm Expediting I'm not I'm not sure yet I'll see you there oh I know well the
advantage of going last is that everybody's already said everything um fireman C are always very important and thank you all for coming out we heard a lot of good information tonight and um there's pros and cons for both and we will take them into consideration and I you I just want you to know that we did
pass a note around home room today and that's why we're all in our Eagles attire that was a conscious choice so yes thank you all very much for coming is there a motion to adjourn so moved thank you meeting adjourned thank you have a great night Mary CLA thank you for this
was a lot of work for you thank you