Good afternoon and welcome to the land use board meeting of Beach Haven Monday July 7th 2025. Before we start our flag salute, I'd like to me welcome Mary Claire as our new land use board secretary. Y a great addition.
All right, let's start. Let's consute our flag. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. to the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act. Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by posting on the bulletin board in the entrance of the hall of the Beach Haven Municipal Building and mailing the same to the Beach Haven Times and the Asbury Park Press. This
meeting is a judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision for each individual application. The quorum appropriate to a judicial hearing must be maintained at
all times. Mr. Aello. Mrs. Balm Miller here. Mr. Balbo here. Mrs. Edles here. Mr. Jenna here. Mayor Lambert here. Mrs. Leonard here. Mr. Lefredo
here. Mr. Meadow here. Mrs. Parker. Mr. Stevens here. Mr. Tinquist and Mr. Wanger here. Thank you.
All right. Moving along to our announcements public hearing. Um the Mary bulk variance is has been carried. So they have to go before historical. So if there's anybody here that was came to
speak to this, I want you to know it's not going to be dealt with tonight. Is there, if I may, Madam Chair, is there anyone here for the Murray application tonight, either present or on Zoom, as Mrs. Lard just indicated, that application has been carried. It's going
to be carried to our September meeting. This will be the only announcement. It will not be mailed again. We received a letter from the applicant's attorney, Mr. Raven, asking that it be adjourned so they can go to HPAC. uh it will be carried to that meeting.
There will be no further publication or mailings. This is the notice. So our new board secretary, if anybody asks, it was announced tonight. That's entirely appropriate. Um they've also waved any action date. So this will be the only
notice for the Murray application to be heard at our September meeting because as I understand it, Mr. Little will be away in August and Mr. Raven will be away in August. So we will hear that application um presumably if everything goes okay with HPAC at our September meeting.
Okay. Uh so our case tonight is Celco Partnership Verizon Wireless site plan approval for a small wireless facility installation in the barrel rightway nearest 325 Taylor Avenue. Good evening. Uh my name is Ed Purcell.
I'm a partner with PriceMe Shman and Dear Mo. Uh here tonight on behalf of Verizon Wireless with respect to an application to install a small small wireless facility uh within the bureau's rights of way. Um the bureau is sort of unusual in requiring a land use approval
with respect to this matter. um title 48 the revised statutes of what governs this but you know notwithstanding that and the fact that we're in a right away and and not really on a lot you know we we did file for the application uh pursuant to the code and we're willing to to go through the process here um to
attain the approval which I um request that I suspect and I request you you that that you grant given the fact that we comply with the bureau's small cell code. Uh so basically tonight we're just going to have three witnesses. Um we
have our engineer. Uh then we're going to have um Mr. Almano. Um then we're going to have a RF consultant provide some analysis and testimony with with respect to the need for the site. Uh and then also
have John Mcdana provide some planning testimony. So that's how we'll do it. Um housekeeping matter. Mr. Rizzo. Um are we okay with respect to the notice? The notice is fine. Mr. Purcell, if you're going to How many witnesses? Three. Three. Why don't we bring them all up
and I'll swear them all at the same time? Okay. Gentlemen, raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm the testimony you give before the board this evening be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Okay. Then Mr. Purcell calls you up one at a time. You'll state your name, your affiliation for the record. you'll be
qualified to extend necessary and we'll go from there. Okay. Thank you. Uh Mr. Albano, I just have a If he's standing there, is Miss Clicken able to hear him? No, he needs to stand Mr. Puro in front of the mic or we won't be able to pick him up. Okay,
you can move the easel. Uh, Mr. Albano, could you just go over your qualifications and experience? So, Peter Albano. Uh, my employer is Maser's College Engineering and Design. I am a civil engineer licensed in the state of New Jersey. I've been involved in cells
site designs for approximately 12 years. I've testified in front of boards like this. Can you speak closer so we can hit sorry for the record, please? Yeah. So, I'll start over. Peter Albano. My my employer is Collier's Engineering Design. Um, I am a civil engineer
licensed in the state of New Jersey. I've been involved in the Mr. Can you touch the mic for me for Sounds like it's just really hard to hear you. So maybe speak closer and louder, please. Is this better? That's closer the better.
Can he take that off and hold it in his hand? That may be better. There you go. Is this better? Closer. There we go. There. I like being put on the spot. Uh, Peter Albano.
Peter Peter Moonlights as a lounge singer. Apparently, I do know he's clearly not a lawyer. Peter Albano. My employer is Collier's Engineering and Design. Um, I'm a licensed civil engineer in the state of New Jersey. I've been involved in the
design of cellular sites for approximately 12 years. Um, I went to Drexler University where I graduated with an undergrad. You have your PE? Yes. PE license P in the state of New Jersey and 17 other states. Your license is in good standing.
Yes. Mr. Law firm as an expert. Request the Mr. Albano be accepted as an expert in engineering. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Uh Mr. Albano, can we please go over uh this particular small wireless facility that's being proposed?
Yes. So, we are proposing to install a the numbers right. We're proposing to install a 38 and a half foot tall utility pole which will have the Verizon wireless antennas and associated uhances installed on it um on
in inside the rightway closest to 325 Taylor A in Beach Haven. It is located in the BB district. The top of the proposed concealment on top of the canister is 43 height 43 ft
43.1 ft. Uh it is set back 2 feet from the center of the pole. There are seven antennas and two remote radio heads. The antennas have less than 3 cubic feet. The equipment cabinet is attached to the full pole is less than 17 cubic feet and it does not inhibit the sight triangle.
It allows for adequate room for pedestrians to pass along the public right away. And Mr. Albano, I just want to pause you for a second. So, it's nearest to 325 Taylor Avenue. We're talking about a utility pole that's going to have a um a node on top of it. Is that correct? That is correct.
And what is the name of the street that the that it's actually on? It is on Delaware Avenue. Okay. Um, can you just go over real quick maybe explain to the board what you know by by way of the antennas what what's what's
being proposed Mr. Crystal do you want to mark anything as an exhibit? Well, this these plans were submitted to the board and I do have exhibits. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, Verizon just refer to what whatever whatever diagram whatever was submitted
just refer to it for the record please. So, we're looking at Z3 of the zoning drawings that were submitted to the board. What are the dates on there just to have in the record? It was the latest revision is um April 11th, 2025. Okay. Thank you. Um so, Verizon is proposing to install a
antenna at the top along with, you know, that's sitting on top of the the utility pole along with three other levels of antennas that are attached to the pole as well. Um there is a uh equipment cabinet that is about 15 ft to the center along with um a disconnect and a
meter that is located lower. Okay. Um Mr. Arbana, have you prepared a photo simulation? Yes, we have. Okay. Um and how did you prepare that? How is that prepared? So, what we do is we go out to the site um we look for a
known height object for us to be able to accurately place the um the note in the installation and render it through use of Photoshop. So, we we utilize a a scaled object to be able to simulate what the proposed installation would
look like. I'm going to mark this as exhibit A1 photo simulated. Mr. Can you just walk through the photo simulation? So, we simulated the photo um of the
utility pole on Felv. Um the photo that was used was taken from across the street diagonally um across Delaware and Taylor Avenue. The photo was about 120 ft away from where the proposed installation would
be. And is this uh proposed utility pole similar to the other utility poles in the area? Yes, it will be. You can see a utility pole right in front of uh this pole. Is that correct? Yes. And um why could this pole not be used
to place the small cell node? Because there there's primary wire primary power wires that are utilized by Langley Electric. And that's that that line on top. Correct. Yes. Correct. Okay. So basically all of these poles along this whole rightway really would not be usable. Correct. That purpose. Okay.
Okay. Um thank you Mr. Albano. Does the does the D treat these facilities like utility poles for the purposes of determining that they're exempt from CAFRA pursuant to NJAC 7-2.2 B2 Roman numeral 3.
Yes. And I guess they they've had they've made a determination with respect to another locality that was the case. Yes. Have you seen that? Yes. Um were other sites looked at with respect to placing this uh small Mario facility
in its present location? Yes, there were. And um you created this or um under your direction, this was created a U Google map that shows these different locations. Is that correct? That is correct. And then mark that as exhibit
A2. Where where the rest of these? They were they were tagged to the back. Oh, okay. All right. So, I've already given you A2. It's on the back page. I didn't realize that. Um, A2 is the last page of A1.
Yes, it should be a map. Says Beach Haven 14 at the top left. Correct. Okay. Uh, Mr. Alban, can you just go through the other sites that were considered with respect to this node that were not able Verizon was able to move forward on?
So, there was a municipal property that was to the uh west. There was no existing structures that could be utilized. Um there's a existing utility pole on a street that was on near an ADA ramp with the installation would require
you know us to deal with the ADA and possibly you know um calls a nonADA compliant installation. Um the fantasy land to the south was inquired and there was no interest as
well as that's privately owned property. Yes, privately owned property. And then Skooners Wararf, there was no interest there, but that's also a privately owned property. And and then we mentioned the utility poles and those weren't available. Correct. Right. The ones that were adjacent.
Okay. Uh that's all I have for direct. I just have one question. It's the same height as the other polls. 45 or is it taller? It'll be about the same type the same height. Should be or is what's the We What's the height? We didn't we didn't survey the
existing poles. Um it says 45. Let's look at the photo simulation here. Proposed 45 ft wood pole with equipment. That's what it says. And that's that's if they found one long enough.
Right. When it says 45T pole, is that the entire pole, Peter, or is that the only those the part above ground? That's the entire pole. So So what they do when they install utility poles is they'll they you what they call direct embedded. They will um drill the shaft and then then put the pole in there so
that it sits down deeper. And looking at looking at the photo simulations here, are they is that um what we're proposing of a comparable height to the closest utility pole? Yes. Excuse me, Mr. Little. The 45 foot pole whether it's taller or not than the existing
pole still meets our code. Correct. Yes. Can you um explain where it says no existing structures? What does that mean? So there was no existing utility structures for us to to attach to. Um that would make a have us have a compliant design.
Is that is that also true about the the proposite? There's an is there an existing structure there? You're putting a new pole there. We'll be putting a new pole in there. So no existing structure comment on that one as well. Yes. Yeah. And there there was also Greenacres concerns with going back there as well.
Shajore and what was that? Green Acres. I'm thinking like Arnold the pig or you're showing your age. Yeah, I know. Show a lot of things. But I mean, so it could go municipal property, no existing structure in the
middle of that parking lot. But for whatever, we would be out of the right away then. Okay. Out of what? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I missed that. I didn't hear your out of We would be out of the right away. Right. So the right away from the road
and also on that property it's prohibited by Greenacres to install a wireless facility without a diversion. Is that correct? Correct. Right. Is this something that people can come in and put other antennas on? Is this they could potentially, but I would assume that they would be applying for a
permit as well. Yeah. Yeah, I think they have to get approvals from the the town, but to the extent that the poll is structurally capable, you know, Verizon Wireless is willing to um facilitate and who gets the money, Verizon or the town? Pardon me. Who gets the money for putting
Verizon would it be a collo a collocation application which would have to come to the town and the board, but yes, Verizon would this is because it's it's a private we would the town. Okay. Correct. This just on our rightway. Another question, and this is probably
more engineering and I don't if you can answer it. I mean, so T-Mobile wants to put a poll in, would it be in this same spot or if AT&T wants to put a pole in this spot? So, that's a good RF question and I I can that's not for him. That's for RF engineer. And the answer is just to
preface that is that every carrier has its own um uh own service map and its own needs. So it's it's possible that you know another carer may not need to install anything in this area or if they do it might have to be in a slightly different location. Um but but that's
you know but that's basically the answer to it. But Mr. Peterson can certainly in more detail on that and I'm only asking because while it's one hole if it becomes three or four then we're into this whole thing you live with. Well I think that's why you have an ordinance that has certain um distance
limitations between the small cells. So your governing body has taken that into account and adopted an ordinance to to regulate that. If if this gets approved, we're not we are not approving any other poll at any other site other than this poll.
Somebody could possibly come in to colllocate on this pole, but just if we approve if the board approves this application, we're not approving any polls at any other site or any other right away. So, are we also just approving
the way this physically looks in this picture or not? There's no other. Correct. That's what's being proposed. That's what we're approving. What we're considering and approving tonight if we approve it. This is not If somebody else wants to come in and colllocate on that poll, that'll be a different
application. Any questions? Anybody? Yeah, just one. You You're showing multiple antennas on here. Are they all going up or are those locations for collocation in the future? They would all be going up. They'd all be on. Yes. Okay. All right. For this one small cell,
they're all those are for Verizon. Yes. When I say collocation, good point, Mr. When I say collocation, I'm talking about other carriers that want to colllocate on this pole. These antennas are for Verizon small cell.
Do you currently have these towers anywhere else close by? That's a question. Uh well, we have a number in Lavallet, uh Seaside Park. I mean like on Long Beach Island. Um there's a bunch on um there are there
are nodes on Long Beach Island and I'm um I'm blanking. Beach Haven is surrounded by one municipality um to the north and south of you. What is the name that Miss Which one? Long Beach. Long Beach. I'm sorry. I I was blind. There's a number of them in Long Beach. I think there might be four. I think four or six, something like that.
So, I mean, they must be pretty kind of camouflaged because I've never I've never noticed them in township or I mean, they're just utility pools and that's in the I noticed some other places that were not really kind of aesthetically pleasing like they're bright blue.
This has a few more antennas on it than the ones I've seen, but um they're all over the place. I mean, I think Ship Bottom probably has a dozen or more. Harvey Sears probably has a dozen or more, and I know Long Beach Township has them. Once you go up, you'll probably not even notice it.
I think you don't notice them because Mr. Purscell mind the photo rendition of the proposed hole. It's going to what what's going to be constructed is going to look like what's on this. Right. So, in response to Miss Ber's question, it's not going
to be bright blue, bright pink, neon green. It it will blend in with with the rest of the one that's not far. Correct. It it may be a different shade when it gets installed, but as it gets older, it'll weather the same. Okay. Anything else? I have one question.
Okay. Okay. J, I'm not sure who it's for, but what happens if the municipality vacates Del Avenue because they want to create a larger park or some other use? What rights do you still have to?
Well, uh, that's a very interesting hypothetical. um to the extent that it is vacated um it becomes a municipal lot so that lot would not be subject to green acres because it wasn't so you
know I I guess that would be a point of negotiation if and when that happens as to you know what the burough wanted to do with that parcel um and you know I would think that Verizon would work with the bureau to to move it if if that eventuality happened given you know given if there's adequate space in other
locations in the area which I think there would be I I would like to see that just at some point in time. Sure, that's fine. You'll agree to that as of approval. Correct. Yep. Verizon would agree to in the case of the rightway being vacated
and having to move that site to work with the burrow to move it to some other mutually agreeable location when the burrow rights away. Jerry, so I think you couldn't have picked out a more conspicuous site to install this.
And I think there's other locations uh within Beach Haven uh right adjacent to this building as an example where I think it would be less conspicuous for this tower to be placed.
Well, um Mr. peers can speak to, you know, why it was placed where it was placed and why that area is is important from a cover from a coverage of capacity p perspective, but um I I take that comment. So, so Mr. Jen, very good point. Let me
say this. These polls are permitted in this district. Site suitability absolutely becomes an issue if this were not a permitted use in this district, but it is. So, just please I want the board to keep that in
mind. Good point. Well taken. But this use is permitted in this location. Okay. Any more? Yes, Tom. I'm sitting behind the sign and keep forgetting. Um, so on this diagram here, you have an overhead view and you have another spot
where the picture was taken from. Yes, correct. Will that not be a suitable a more suitable location as opposed to in front of the park that people sit in to watch fireworks and sunsets and all kinds of stuff like that? the corner of where it said the photo was taken from,
which is a townowned parking lot, right? Less foot traffic on that side of the road. Less likely for somebody to walk into the dump pole, which people have to do all the time. Ultimately, the site I mean that's more of a legal question really. I mean, it is as your council
stated, it is a permitted use in the zone. you know, this site was um was picked, I think, because it was because of its kind of central location. Um, you know, if it had to be moved to another location, certainly, you know, I think there are other ones that could be
considered, but this is the one that was proposed, you know, to to the burrow. Did they know that that was actually burrow property over there that would be in the rightway as well? Well, it's I guess you know what I'm saying. It's in the middle of a park. Yeah. Well, it's on it's adjacent to a
park. It's a Well, yes, but I get it. This the aesthetics of it is is crappy. Excuse my That's my point. So, this site was proposed by Verizon,
correct? Any other questions? This witness, do we know again going back to this? Is there anything on this that would preclude using that site across the street? I mean, is the RF different there? Um,
he's not able to answer. We received not really able to he's not able to answer that, you know, but I'll just say, yeah, I mean I I'll just I'll just say that we had not received any, you know, comments with respect to that, you know. I mean, not about the possibility to
move it at this late date at this point. I don't think we're going to be able to do that. Certainly. Um well, you were never before the land use board before. That's why you never heard any comment. So So we'll certainly take that into account, I think, and I'll I'll communicate that to Verizon for future sites, but certainly um I I do take I do
take that I do take that point and I will communicate it. Mr. PCE, is there any reason you don't want to speak with your client, maybe carry this to see if that other location that's being suggested? It's up to you. But your applications
are applications. I mean I really I really you that's that's a reasonable point that was just raised by one. Yeah. So this is my concern. This this but there's a place there's a right of
way that may be a better location within the same and they're permitted in both. See the issue see the issue is is that and I you know didn't mention this at the beginning is that there's an applicable shock clock that the SEC applies here. well aware of the shot clock. So, it's a 90-day shot clock. And in
this particular situation, Verizon has to get a approval from you, from the land use board, and also has to get an approval from the administrator. So, that's a lot to do in 90 days. Um, I don't think Verizon's willing to push this any further. You know, they have deadlines they have to meet. They want
to make these things put these things up into, you know, operation. You meet in 30 days. So, can I make another comment? Our ordinance requires this to be more than 100 ft from a residential multifamily development. That corner diagonally
across might be within that 100 ft. The corner of the Bay of the Bay Club. Well, that's a good point. Is that because that's those are that's multif family right across the right way. Family right there. And so that's probably a a better answer
than what I was going to give. Uh I found myself You understand what Mr. a little say. Yes, I it's a very good point. But this location is I mean you say it's adjacent to that park, but they have events that use this hall as one
structure, one there's always people walking back and forth here and that pole's going to be right in the middle of How about on the corner? Well, it's not on the 30 foot north of the corner right off the curb line like a typical utility falling story. And
certainly it's it's meant to be look like utility pole. It functions like a utility pole and there's utility poles. People walk back and forth. Certainly, you know, on the across the the burrow right away with utility poles. Um if there's, you know, obviously um the site complies with all SEC
emission requirements and Mr. Peterson can testify to that. That's an underlying concern, but it's it complies with all applicable requirements. Um and this, you know, we we propose at this we propose it at this location. Is there any way to officially find out
if that is the reason why could most of the time when you have these polls up people are concerned about the RF waves and all that stuff and the further you can keep it away from a residential neighborhood the better I people are more likely to walk into the pole at the corner than they are
walking into this pole. The other concern I have, you move that other corner. We have a parking lot there. People are driving in and out of there all the time. I'd be concerned this thing might get hit. I mean, if you look at Google Maps, you can see cars would be parking right next
to where this would be if it moved to the other corner. Anything questions by the board from the board to this witness? Okay. Thank you. The public. Do you have more witnesses? No. No. Do you want the public?
I'll do public at the end. Okay. Okay. All right. Um All right. I'm going to call Andrew Peterson. Um, Mr. Peterson, can you just go over your qualifications and experience? Sure. Uh, Andrew Peterson. My firm is DBM
Engineering. Um, an electrical engineer, specifically radio frequency design engineer. I have undergraduate and graduate degrees. Uh, both in electrical engineering, both from Lehigh University. I've been involved in the design of these types of facilities, um,
tower facilities, water tank facilities, cellular facilities in general, um, for the past 25 years or so. I've testified hundreds of times um, before municipal bodies as well as in state court and federal court as an expert witness. Your license is in good standing.
Yes, sir. I ask that Mr. Peterson be accepted as an expert in RF engineering. That that's Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Um Mr. Peterson, before we get started, um let's mark these are propagation maps
behind you that we prepared. We mark those as exhibit A3. Is this wrapped up on purpose? It doesn't have often come off there. Okay. I apologize if I'm unwrapping someone's intentional wrap. I just don't want to knock the whole thing over. Um
what what should these be? Yeah. Now there's there's two of them. Um do the next one is A well my second page is A4. Okay. So Mr. Peterson Verizon Wireless is licensed by the FCC. Is that correct? That's correct. Could you just go over your needs
analysises for why Verizon requires the small wireless facility at this location? Sure. So, um, currently the, uh, area in in the northern part of Beach Haven, um, is being serviced by the water tank on this very property. Um, there are
antennas that Verizon Wireless has installed on that water tank that that point generally northward. Um, they're uh, providing for this green area of coverage. I should back up a bit and I'll just explain that this is first and foremost a map. I'm sure you all
recognize uh this area of Beach Haven. Um here's the municipal boundary. Um in addition to the typical map features, we've got some Verizon Wireless specific information. Uh that includes uh the location of the water tank site. Uh
there's a temporary site uh to the west by Marina and then the location of the proposed site here uh that Verizon Wireless just calls uh Beach Haven 14 small cell. Uh there's also uh to answer the question
earlier, there are also some small cells um just across the municipal boundary in Long Beach um that are of a similar design um that have been there I think for a couple years. Um so next time you're up that way if you have a look that's similar to what you'll be seeing
here. But if if we're approved and installed that is um so the um water tank site that's just on the property here has a northerly facing set of antennas. It's providing for this green area of coverage. Um and that's where
that signal is strongest. Uh you can see that there's this this red and blue area over here that's from the temporary site. And then there's some blue here and some gray here. That's from the other sets of antennas on the water tank. So, it's this northerly facing set of antennas that's covering into this
area and particularly during the summer months that set of antennas is being overloaded. It can't handle the demand. Um, we've got the amusement park there and as was mentioned earlier, it's a gather gathering place for fireworks and other events. Um, so, uh, in the summer
months, that set of antennas just can't handle the demand. Um, so Verizon Wireless is looking to offload that demand. Um, and this facility will do just that. So, if if we're installed here, uh, with the antenna antenna
center lines that are proposed, we'll be offering basically uh, new lanes on the highway, if you will, to accommodate more of that cellular traffic. Uh, so we're going to add this area of pink coverage. um is going to uh provide for
uh many square blocks of coverage here to offload traffic from uh the amusement park and the surrounding areas. Um it's going to uh allow the site to the south, the the water tank site to better serve the subscribers that are closer to it.
So it will have a ripple effect of not only providing for better service in its immediate surroundings, but also allowing for the water tank site to better serve the folks that are closer to it. Um, so it's a more efficient way to handle the traffic demand. That's
that's uh basically the design aspect in a nutshell. Do you have to be a Verizon customer to benefit from this? Yes. So, when did you come to the island? When did I come? No. Verizon, not you. Um,
I mean, wireless. I mean, everybody had Comcast. You couldn't get Verizon. And then Verizon all of a sudden is here now. you talking about wireless or wine question? This is for sale. This is wireless cell. This isn't this isn't um hardwired
cable. No, I know it is. So, Comcast is a reseller of wireless service. They do have a but they they don't they're not a they're not one of the four national wireless providers. So, but
the benefit of this tower are for Verizon customer for Verizon wireless subscribers. Yes. Yeah. That's not to say that Comcast couldn't come to human. Yeah.
Sometimes you think this is helping everybody. It's not helping everybody. Clearly, this is a horizon. This is a no doubt about it. But again, yes, there can be collocation applications in the future at this point. Go ahead. Any other questions on the
Tom has a question. I'm just curious about this. So, is this a repeater site or is it like is there going to be phone wires going to it to eventually sell it gets into a wired system, right? Yeah. It's not a repeater site.
Um repeater site do just that. They repeat a signal from an adjacent site. They don't They can add capacity to a network, but they can't add I'm sorry. They can add coverage to a network, but they can't add capacity because they're just repeating, you know, they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, if you will, for for signal. Um, this is a this is a
full site. It's just a miniaturized version. It doesn't have uh the intentionally the radios uh don't have the output power. Uh the antennas don't have high gain like we do on a on a macro site um for a number of reasons
and that's an intentional portion of the of the design. They're meant to cover a much smaller geography. Um but but it does have its own back haul. Um so there's there's a there will be fiber that connects to this facility and provides that back haul to the rest of the network.
And is everything going to be provided underground or is it coming wires above? I think it's overhead, but I would I would defer to uh Pete on that. He's shaking his head. Yes. Said something about a box elevated up in near 17 ft. Correct. Yeah. There'll be a shrouded equipment
box up there. Anybody else? Anybody else have any questions? All right. Um, Andy, can you just real quick just go over your um emissions analysis? Sure. The um this was provided to the
board. This is your memorandum dated March 25th, 2025. Is that right? This is March 27th, 2025. Yes. Uh there was an electromagnetic uh exposure certification that I provided. Um the FCC, just really brief background, the
FCC has very specific guidelines as to the allowable electromagnetic exposure from these types of facilities. Uh so what engineers like myself do is we evaluate them pre-install to see what the anticipated exposure levels would be in all locations of public access surrounding uh the facility. And because
it is very low power um as is typical with this type of facility um the ground level exposure would be no more than 1.43% um and that's uh making several upper limit assumptions. Um so the facility
will be compliant in this case by quite a wide a wide margin and there um there are some signs that are located at the at the top of the the um pole indicating people just like small warning signs in case someone's doing work on top of the pole. Is that is that correct? Yeah. The the uh FCC requires signage um
that is visible before you can act or before you get into areas that uh could be above exposure limits. In a case like this, the only folks that would be accessing areas near the antennas are or Verizon personnel who would be working potentially on the on the facility. Um,
so there is some signage that in this case would be um probably at around the 25 foot level above grade. Um, and uh it would just, you know, be a little a little yellow warning sign that says above this height and it wouldn't
really be visible except to someone who was on their way up the pole. But so anyone on the ground though is well below the applicable um requirements that that's correct. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Purcell as Mr. pointed out in his review letter, our ordinance doesn't
allow signs on antennas or tower. So you take it, you're asking the board for a waiver of the sign prohibition. That's what we're asking for because the FCC mandates that we have that. I understand, but it wasn't in the application. I will make the board I want clear. Yeah, we are we are asking the board for
that for that. Thank you. Waiver. Yes. So if this were to be approved, the wise is asking for a waiver of the sign prohibition. Correct. Correct. Okay. If it matters, it's more of like a sticker. I don't know if that semantics explain it. Is it
It's not an advertisement. It's not signage in that sense. Um it's How big is it? Um I I don't know if I have the dimensions if you know. That's fine. Mr. Yeah, I do reference the table of
minimum font sizes and safe viewing distances, but I don't have that. Okay. Well, Peter or Peter will answer it after you're done. It's going to be wrapped around the pole anyway, isn't it? Doesn't it have to Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of a sticker that is just kind of placed on the pole. It's It's pretty small.
Eagles fans. I got another. So, it's like I can just I can just I can just state for the board. It's, you know, kind of roughly the size of, you know, 8 and 1 half by 11 like a piece of paper. That's kind of what it is. Thanks. Yes, John. Um, Mr. little. This is kind of a
question for both of you guys. Okay. 100 foot distance from residential housing. Multif family. Multi family. Um the people in the water park are going to be bird's eye level with the top of that less than 100 ft away. Is
there any danger to the to the little swimmers that are going to be there? No. I I regularly evaluate these types of facilities. Um, and if you were say climbing the pole and and you were, you know, within 5 10 feet of the front of the antenna, that's really the that's
Yeah, exactly. That's why I look the way I do. But, uh, yeah. No, at at you know, 100 foot distance, there's there's no exposure. Is 100 ft wide and the pole is 30 feet north of that. So, it's going to be more than 100 ft.
the kid that gets closest to the fence at the bottom of the slot. Just another quick question. Um, any reason you're you're servicing this electrically off of the telephone pole at the corner, right? I believe so. Why can't we go underground? Why do we
have to have wires? I mean, your pictures show no overhead wires going to the pole. Can we go underground to aesthetically, you know, not that's if that's something if that's something that the um the board Well here just Mr. Rob
I only heard that when somebody asked that question from an engineering perspective is that is that possible? It is possible. Yeah. So Verizon would like to do it underground if that's required by the board of underground. Yes. For the for the electric and the fiber which would need
Yeah. Right. But they'd have to do that. What's the timeline? Anybody know the answer to that? Yeah, I mean, as I understand it, just from my general conversations with Verizon that the goal in with these applications we're doing now is to have them in service by next summer when
there's the obviously spike in demand as the the summer starts. So that that's rough, as I understand it, that's roughly the timeline that we're operating under. Does anybody else have any questions about the missions? I'll call it Mana.
Thank you. Thanks. How do you mic just go over your qualifications, experience, background? Sure thing. Hi every Hi everyone. My name is John Mcdana. This spelled MC capital D O N O U G H. I'm the project
planner. I have a license in professional planning here in the state of New Jersey that's current and in good standing. Um I get to do this on a nightly basis throughout the state of New Jersey. Um including up and down the island here. Uh so we get to see the full cross-section of all land use
types. Um I'm also a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. That's a national certification also current and in good standing. Yes, mount accepted as planner. Thank you. Um, so Mr. McDonald, can you just
provide a planning justification for the board's approval? Well, the planning justification is is it's a permitted use, but maybe just kind of elaborate on that a little bit. Sure thing. I think I can be relatively brief. Um, this is a very clean application from a planning standpoint,
from a zoning standpoint. Um, we're here in your BD zone district, your your business district, your core business district, which as you know permits a wide variety of commercial type uses. This is certainly a node in the community. Should I reference this
exhibit? Should I enter this exhibit? Yeah. A that'll be a five. Yep. Okay. This is a this is a plane exhibit that you created. Uh, yes. A5 is going to be an aerial photograph, a satellite image, um, with your zoning overlaid. Um, this was
actually prepared by TK Design Associates. And what it depicts in the center of the photograph is the subject site location where the poll is going to be located. Um, it's that red dot that you see near
the intersection of Taylor Avenue along North Delaware Avenue. as we all know, a a central location here in the community, again, a note, if you will, the green open space next to Fantasy Island and next to the shops. Um, all
within the confines of your BD zone district, which is the one zone district where this small wireless facility is is a is a permitted use. So, right off the bat, as a permitted use, this implicitly and explicitly serves the public good. Um, we know
there's an FCC mandate to provide w seamless wireless coverage uh for this licensed facility and that's exactly what this will do. Um, I did want to point out that we show in sort of this copper color or this faded out color your RCB zone district and towards the
the comment about moving the site to the other side. um would move it closer to residential uh existing residential uses over at the Bay Club. Additionally, uh your RCB district does not permit this use. So, we'd be dealing
with a use issue as well. So, there's not only a proximity to residential issue, but if we were to jump the line, we would be creating a use issue as well. So I think most importantly the board can hook uh the approval here on the fact that this is a zone where the
use is permitted. I think the witnesses before me have shown how other options have been exhausted here including over at Fantasy Island which has rejected the location on its premises. Um, we're here in the public right of way, which again is permitted as as part of the small
wireless facilities code in your community. And again, very um innocuous location visually and functionally. John, in your in your opinion, would this be the least intrusive means of providing the service? Yes, I think it will based on all of those factors and all of the testimony
that the witness witnesses have given you. And and John, could you just speak a little bit to the waiver request for that um the sign that's on the the pole? Sure thing. Very minor relief here. As you heard, this is not going to be a big Verizon billboard in the in the center
of town. Um, this is just going to be a safety sign that's the size of a piece of paper. Relatively innocuous. It's informational, safety oriented, and certainly not advertising oriented. So, I believe the waiver is justified as reasonable and practical meeting the
standard for that relief. Again, because it's also required by the FCC that that Exactly. Yes, it is a mandatory requirement as well in the interest of public safety. And again, as Mr. Little pointed out in his report, this is a variance-free application. It's as clean
as it gets from a zoning standpoint, a permitted use, and the applicants not asking the board to move on uh on any relief. Um, with that said, I believe the positives here in terms of providing the meeting the FCC mandate for seamless coverage are met. Um, again, visually
inconspicuous. I like the pole design there. Um, I will point out that the pole um is located in a a sidewalk area that's generous. The sidewalk over by the brewery side where you get more foot traffic is actually less wide given the
landscape elements that you have or the streetscape elements that you have, including planters and and whatnot. So, you get more foot traffic over by the brewery. So, you have nothing here that's going to impede the free flow of pedestrian foot traffic um at this
particular location. Last thing I'll say is we were there two or three weeks ago for the hot sauce festival. Wireless service was really tough at that time. There were a lot of people there. So, that's the practical uh rationale I believe for approving this application. Well, thank you Mr. Bana. Does anybody
have any questions? So, was the uh public works area a consideration for this location? And are are there any restrictions in the public works location why this couldn't be there because of residential houses or
not? Again, I better there's a better spot for this thing than the location that you selected. Well, I guess I'd say that um the bureau in adopting the ordinance has said the BD zone is is what it you know where it
permits it. Um I'm not sure exactly you know what location where that is on this map. Um public works is south of this building. So it's right next to the water tower. So yeah. So based on I think you know
and what Mr. um Mr. Peterson was was discussing it, you know, needs to be in a certain parameter of location. So maybe that that was that that is um that's kind of where your macro tower is is right here. Right. Right. So you kind of be putting a node right
where there already is the tower. I think the purpose of this is to provide additional capacity in the places where people are using their devices in order to offload. Mr. for is is this location has it been I assume but reckon by wrong this
location has been selected to fill the proverbial gap in coverage correct because of the cell tower is not enough there's that temporary location and then okay so maybe that answers the board's questions about why this
location in this particular district okay you got is it going to be big enough. If you're going to put something in the middle of town, is it going to be is it going to service it? Because I know um I was at Fan the other day. I don't know how many
of my friends were in SOS mode. Um I my friend lives on 15th Street, which is where you should have another node up there if it's in the township, and he's in SOS mode a lot on busy weekends. So, is this going to be big enough to cover the area? Well, I think that's that certainly um
would have been a question for Mr. Peterson and and Andy, do you want to answer that real quick? And that's better than me putting words in your mouth. Yep. Maybe also written from the location. Sure. Yeah. The short answer is yes. It's going to provide service to the
northern part of the burrow there, you know, and the areas the the four or five blocks or so that are surrounding it. Um it will be tall enough to offload that traffic. Um it's going to have the radio resources to offload that traffic. Um,
and to kind of answer the question that was prior, um, we we need to offload that area because the the site here on the water tank is is stretching it. It's it's servicing folks that are quite distant quite distant from it from a
radio frequency design perspective in in the modern in in a more modern sense. It was okay years and years ago to cover the entire burrow, but now we need more resources and we need those resources closer to where the action is. Um, and that's why this is being proposed in
that northern portion of the burrow. Do you have any on the southern part of the island in the township? Um, I'm I'd have to, you know, take a look and see. No, this has nothing. This is not going to affect southern even southern beach
haven. It's only north each haven you're talking about. That's correct. Yeah. I don't know the answer to the first part of the question, but I could I could find out for you. Anybody have any questions? I guess I have a question. And if in the future you need more juice in this area,
do you put another pole in or do you just hang more stuff on this pole? I guess it depends on what the need looks like in the future. If um this facility will have pretty much all the resources that we put on these small cells um as far as
the um the radio equipment, the frequency bands. Um so it's likely that if there if there is a need that arose to further offload that water tank, um it wouldn't be it
wouldn't be in this immediate vicinity. It could be, you know, 10 blocks away. I I don't know of any plans in the works for anything further in the immediate area, but, you know, without a crystal ball, I could I couldn't say never. I got you. But if if they needed to, can
they come back and keep adding stuff to this without getting approval? They would have if they want to colllocate, they have to come back. Have to come back. Okay. Thanks. Anything else? Any questions? Any other witnesses? Nope. That's it. That's it.
All right. Mr. Miller, have anything else to add? Uh, no. I think we heard the testimony and it's in the correct zone. I I just picked up on that fact that if it had gone to the other corner, it would be a use variance. It's not permitted in the
RCB zone. Very good point. I like the idea that we're going to go underground because who wants more wires in the air. So, um other than that, like I mentioned, I'm familiar with these and they're all over the island. Maybe we should do a scavenger hunt, see how many
you can find before we get to the next meeting. But they are in the township. I think they're the northern end of the you know just outside Beach Haven there's a number of them and all the way up Harvey Cedar ship bottom ship a lot of them because hotspots you know they
have them up near the beach also in ship bottom because they're you know a lot of people are on the beach and they're not getting a signal so they're out there. Yeah, on the beach the street ends, let's put it that way. Not on the beach, but
and for the board's edification, the FCC um does preempt a lot of local ordinances. So, I want the board to please keep that in mind considering I'm not suggesting that the board can't vote the way it deems appropriate, but there is a lot of federal preeemption when it
comes to the need to my turnout to fill the gap in coverage. And it seems to me that that's what this this small cell location just to piggyback on what Tom said a bit. Um I was speaking with the chief Jamie Sher and I were speaking with the
chief today and because of the number of people that were in that park, they said he had very very spotty cell cover. So I agree that the location could be better, but obviously there's need there. My concern was actually the 15.
Well, when you consider Chowderfest and the other events, I mean, yes, we do have a lot going on. They're supposed to have, right? So, they should already have service. I I can communicate that um that
discussion point to Verizon. Um, happy to do that. Minute note. So, all right. Uh, can I have a motion to open it to the public, please? Second, Jamie. Thank you. Is there anybody in the public that would like to come up and
speak to this application? Is there anyone on Zoom that we can see? Raise your hand. Raise your hand. Okay. Now, I have a motion to close it to the public. We just uh got a hand up. Oh, we got a hand up. Good.
Megan Masal. Megan Mascal. Go ahead, Megan. All right. You're here with Megan and her dad, JB M. One. One second. Now they're frozen. Can you hear me?
Yes, we hear you. Okay. Can you please raise your right hand? Whichever one's going to testify or both of you, if you're both going to, do you swear affirm that? Do you swear affirming the testimony you'll give before this board this evening be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes.
All right. Your name, some board members may know you. Your name and address for the record, please. JB Mascll, 316 Fair View, Beach Haven, New Jersey. So, we own the uh Bay Village. And just didn't seem like there was
enough information ahead of time on this. You know, maybe if it was going along Taylor Avenue, that wouldn't be so bad. But being right dead center in the middle of the the brewery's view and the
restaurant a restaurant's view is uh seems really offensive. Um, can we see? I don't know why can't why can't it go up above the high tension lines? Mr. Shano, you want to speak? Can you
speak to that for for that? That's for them to go above the lines. That's uh against the utility providers regulation. So, we're not able to because of their um regulations that they've set forth. And it's ACE. Yes.
So, it's it's I'm pretty sure it's already going to be higher than the high tension lines. There really just didn't seem to be enough information that you're giving us. It should have been on. Mr. Mas, I I will say this for for the record. Verizon submitted this application in a timely manner. Their
their paperwork has been on filed by Mr. M. Let me just finish please. All the information that was submitted was submitted in accordance with the law. So while I understand your concern personally, there's no issue legally with respect to
the timing of this application and the timing of the hearing on this application. They had no spot. There was no there they just now at this meeting telling us where they plan to put it. That's that's not that's not true, Mr. Mascll. It has been on file and on record. Mr.
Mascal, Mr. Mascll, please don't I'm not interrupting you. I just want you to know for the record, the exact location has been on file in Burrow Hall since the day Verizon filed this application. This is not the first time that Verizon
is telling the board or anyone where this poll would be located. All we saw is 325 Taylor Avenue. Okay. And there was nothing on file that said
that it was on more information on file at the burrow hall. Mr. Purcell, you want to comment? I mean, we provided adequate notice that that described uh the application and and where the where the where the application was on file that it was at
the burough hall. Hold on. Hold on. Mr. Purscell's not done. Go ahead. Finish. Mr. for stuff. We comply with the applicable law. We submitted a notice to the newspaper um within the applicable timeline. So all all adequate and um required notices
were provided with respect to this application. I I don't disagree, Mr. Po. And why why didn't we get anything in the mail? If you're not within 200 feet, you're not required to get anything in the mail. We're within 200 feet.
Then I'm sure you did. I I don't remember seeing anything in the mail. Okay. Feel this should at least be tabled until we have more information. I'm sure the board will I'm sure the board will take your concern under
consideration. Mr. Purcell, you complied with the 200 foot list, correct? Correct. You submitted an affidavit of publication. Correct. Yep. We received that we received the list from the bureau. Um we we we sent we mailed all the um required
notices to those addresses and then submitted a certification to your office with uh with that certification. Um you know timing wise like as I mentioned earlier this is under the shot clock. So you know the shot clock expires at the end of the month. So we
don't have an awful lot of time to to carry it. So I would ask the board to act on this application tonight. You can tell the board that from a notice perspective um Mr. Purscell is correct. We complied with all the notice requirements um as per the municipal
land use law. So I don't think there there's any issue with respect to notice which would affect our jurisdiction to consider the application. With all due respect to Mr. ask. I understand and appreciate his concerns, but the the ML requirements have been
met by the application. John's done. Anyone else from the public? Anybody else online? No one else online. Okay. Can I have a motion to close it to the public, please? So move, Penny.
Second. Jury, can I ask a question? Absolutely. Now that that's closed, I mean I can appreciate what Mr. Mascll is trying to to say and what he's trying to say is from from his business point of view as you're looking at the sunset
that pole is dead set in the middle in the middle. So before the pole there's nothing there. So people there's a restaurant there that looks at the sunset. There's you know it it will obstruct the view somewhat because there's nothing else has ever been
there. So that's where he's coming from. So I guess my my question is does this pole have to be within a certain does it have to be near an electrical pole? Is that why you chose this particular spot? Because on the other
side on 9inth Street there is you know did you ever consider that location? So I mean the location was was picked given that the fact that we're in the the BD zone and the fact given the given the propagation characteristics. So
I don't think you know. So where the pole is now around the field, right? So it's Taylor's on the one side and Ninth is on the other side. So like adjacent to Schooner's Wararf on the Ninth Street side, then that
wouldn't obstruct the view of those restaurants and the sunset. I do you I mean I can show you if you want. No, I mean I think I understand what you're what you're So my question my question was is do these poles because I do these poles have to be near an
electrical pole? They do they do have to be nest near they they they receive power and and fiber right so there has to be I mean if you're going I mean Mr. Albano can can speak to that if you want an answer to that question. But you know the reality is is that and and this is kind of a
if this was an administrative process solely an administrative process the bureau had we could have this discussion about let's move it here and there and and but unfortunately the way that the burrow is you know well I won't I won't say unfortunately I won't but but the way the burrow has set this up by making
us go to land use board we have to notice this particular location. So, if you're talking about moving it, we're going to have to notice it from that that other location. So, I I can't, you know, we can't move it now given given this the process the burough has kind of created. Again, if it was an
administrative process only, but but you know, the application is for this location where it's permitted. Mhm. I I hear what you're saying and maybe in the future maybe the bureau might want to consider revising its ordinance to have this done administratively so those type of things can be considered and convercriptive
that the that the board is supposed to look at all of these different things aesthetics and placement. So we are going with the ordinance and placement is listed multiple times throughout that ordinance. So that's where yeah I guess it's it's listed in um 212
28 I believe right what the board is supposed to be looking through and one of those things is is the placement and the obstruction and the aesthetics and is it you know camouflaged with the surrounding area. So,
I'm just listening to the business owner who owns all of these this whole entire land behind it and he's has a concern that it's going to be obstructing the view of one of the biggest things that everyone does daily in the summertime and that's the
sunset. So, we do have a cons a significant concern by one of our our business owners. So that's where now I'm kind of thinking about the location a little bit more and is this the absolute I understand
the spot but there are spots away from residential on the other side which is in the same exact area closer to the north point. I guess my my maybe a way to kind of deal with this issue would be to
um we could approve this location but you know request that Verizon consider moving it to that other location and approving that location in the alternative and then if you know speaking to the administrator through their process if that's acceptable to
the administrator then we'll move it to that other location. Um, but that might be the way to But you have to identify exactly where you want us to put it. And the concern I have with that is if it's in another location, then you might be right back before the board again. Right. Right.
Because there may be other people. Well, I think the notice is going to be an issue because the 200 foot's from the pole. Right. Right. And you move it to the other corner. You're noticing all the shelter harbor. Which is why I suggested earlier, Mr. Pursel if Verizon wants to consider carrying this to consider the board's
concerns about the location not within the district itself but that corner versus the street if Horizon doesn't and wants the board to vote tonight the board will do that that's your that's your call okay the only thing I noticed in this photo
and I mentioned it was on the other side by Seagull Lane there's a huge pole right in the view of the restaurant and the sunset right in this photo. So, I don't know exactly where, but it looks like it's in front of the
right on the other side. It's got a lot of wires and canisters and all kinds of things on it. So, the um palm reader is in front of the palm reader. Okay. Well, the palm reader is not going to see the sunset then. I guess the points that are raised by certainly
by Mr. Mask, Mr. Miller, they're all they're they're very good points, but this land use board has to remember is this is a permitted use. Site suitability is not one of the considerations for tonight's
application. This district permits these poles within the district. So site suitability aesthetic aesthetics are always a concern. Yes. But site suitability is not one of the issues before this board
decision. Um, and Mr. Little's point is well taken that there there's another poll already there. Um, but Mr. Purcell, I'll leave it to you. It's I mean it's it's unfortunately the way that this process is it it kind of ties our hands because if if we were to move
this and you know not understanding what I just said the reality is we should renotice it and and start this whole thing and have to start this whole thing and restart this whole thing over again and that kind of defeats the whole point of that federal shock clock and and we do have to try to get this done as
expeditiously as possible and you know as Mr. a little said there is currently a a um an obstruction um in that area. Um I just if this was an administrative process, we we could you know something
to consider would be to the MLU allows for matters to be referred to planning boards that might be considered in your ordinance revision because then if you guys had said that to us and then went to the council or to somebody else to get an approval then we could have used your input to do that. But this mechanism that we've created in the
ordinance that we have to notice a particular location and file a formal application that that kind of binds our hands here, you know. I'm sorry. Don't apologize. So I I take it on briefly. You would like the board to render a decision this evening on this location. Correct. I I just I can't I I don't I
Mr. Mel, you don't have to apologize. That's well within your right to ask the board. I think about what um Q was saying. 9inth Avenue is nowhere near as wide as T. So if you got close to that point of the way it is, you're going to be much
closer to whatever is going on across the street as close to I have one question for Fred. Did you receive a copies of the location in Yeah, full plan. I got a full plan that I reviewed. Okay. Because I never
All the board members should have gotten plans. I don't know what to tell you that this And it's also not on the website. All right. But you can't look at me for that. Look that way. That's not the That's not the applicant's fault.
Went out to the out. Was it just the address 325 Taylor or was the actual the location? Everyone within 200 ft of the location of the poll received notice as required under the Was the notice 325 Taylor or was the notice this is exactly where it is?
Well, it mentioned it mentioned the fact that it mentioned the nearest address and it also mentioned the fact that it was located on Delaware Avenue. So, it used two two methodologies to and and without getting into the legal weeds, the applicant is as a matter of
law allowed to rely on the list that we produce, meaning the borrow. So, even if there was an address missing or something like that, I think Mr.'s at this point that he didn't know exactly where it was. Well, he may or may not have. I don't know what he got. He claimed he didn't
get noticed. If he was within 200 feet of the list, if he was on what's called the 200 foot list, he would have gotten it. But I don't know if it's his corporate entity, an individual, he would have gotten notice of this application being heard and all the
paperwork's been on file. Now, that board members didn't receive the plans, etc. That's an issue. Yes, we did. Okay. I see. It's on. You're on here. April 30th. I'll get the details the the pictures of the I had to ask again. I did ask again.
We'll we'll address that outside of this meeting. That's that's an issue not for Verizon or any applicant for that matter. And moving forward, if that's something that's going on, we'll address that. Okay. I point well taken. I get it. We'll address that later.
I So, Mr. Little's point before about the uh I know it's across the street in the wrong zone. Well, if you live across the street, it'll be use, but it's still that lot's wider than
100t. You said you said Taylor right is 100 going across to um from the house longer than it's not going to put it right at the corner of the Fantasy Island. So, they
put me here, right? But that's in a different zone where it's not permitted, right? Which is a much putting in another zone stringent requirement. So let me say this at this point. The
testimony is in. You've rested, Mr. Purcell. Correct. We've heard from the public. The applicant would like the board to vote on this application. So, Madam Chair, if you're so inclined, I think a motion is in order to approve
or deny this application for site plan approval with the noting the two conditions of approval. One, that the lines will be underground and two, if in fact the right of way is vacated, Verizon will work with the
burrow to relocate this pole. That would be the motion. And then there'll be a vote. And as I've said before, each board member can vote how he or she sees fit. Please remember, we only count to nine this evening.
So if you're only going to nine and we're missing two members, am I adding two alternates? We're missing one regular. So I think we're going to Mr. Lefredo, right? Seven. Yeah, Mr. afraid of
because he's alternate number one, right? Can I just ask a question, Mr. Purcell? Did you completely when we talked about the site and then there were reasons why you didn't want to, but you said that that could possibly be a condition to move it to the other side? Is that
completely off the table? Now, I just don't know. I think it as a practical matter how I can do that in this in this process, you know, set up. I I guess I was I raised that as a possibility, but the more I
think about it, the more I realize that that can't happen mechanically given that this is a formal land use board hearing on on notice. I can't just move it to a different spot. Mayor, we can't do that legally. We would have to renotice and just we can't at this meeting. And I think and I
think the other thing to think about is the fact that it's it's this is a permitted use in that zone. It's it complies with the requirements of the code small cell code they would work with the course if they relocated. All right.
Is there a motion? Don't everybody speak at once. All right. I'll make a motion to approve this application with the two stipulations that you outlined. Okay. There's a motion. Is there a second? I'll second it if I can.
No, you can't. You can't cuz he's not voting. We need a roll call vote, please. Mr. Bow. Um, no. I think we could find a better location for it or at least less obvious location, possibly even moving it south
towards the other pole. So, the two together. Um, one I saw, not two. Mrs. Bow Miller. Um, this is a permitted use in the business district. I wish I would prefer it to
been tabled to had another look at the location. We have concerns from significant businesses in that area. We do need this type of technology though, but I Horizon's going to have to
come back. Yeah. That's enough, Mrs. Edles. Yes, Mr. Jenna. No. Mayor Lambert.
No. Mrs. Leonard. Yes. Mr. Medal. I understand the need for this, but no. Mr. Stevens. Yes.
And Mr. Lefredo? No. That's motion fails. applications. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, moving right along, guys. We have the approval of the bills for May
and June. All right, enough. We have the approval of the bills for main June. Is everybody an approval of the bills? Yes. Yes.
Uh, bills. All business. Wait, wait, wait a second. I only heard a motion. A motion to approve. Gay or Got a motion to approve the bills. Second. Second. Second. calling. All in favor?
Any opposed? I thought we had to roll call. Not for the bill. Who is the first? And then we have the resolution uh 20253 305 Code Lane. That was all the papavers that were removed and new ones are put
in. Um, can I have a motion to approve resolution 202503? So moved, Colleen. Second. Second. All right. Uh, a roll call for all of
those who voted to approve. Uh, Mrs. Bow Miller, yes. Mrs. Edles, yes. Mayor Lambert, yes. Mrs. Leonard, yes. Mr. Lofredo, yes. Mr. Meadow. Yes. Mrs. Parker. Yes.
Mr. Tinquist. And Mr. Wanger. Yes. Thank you. All right. Unless there's any new business that anybody wants to discuss. Can I have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjurnn. Second. Jamie.
Meetings. Ajourned. Don't rise. It's going to be Verizon. Right.