I have for it stands one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [snorts] >> Pursuant to the New Jersey Open Public Meetings Act, adequate and electronic
notice of this meeting has been provided by posting on the bulletin board in the Beach Haven Municipal Building, filing a copy with the Burough Clerk, and mailing the same to the Beach Haven Times and the Asbury Park Press. [snorts] This meeting is a judicial proceeding. Any questions or comments must be limited to
issues that are relevant to what the board may legally consider in reaching a decision for each individual application. Decorum appropriate to a judicial hearing must be maintained at all times. Mr. Aello >> here.
>> Mr. Balbo. [snorts] >> Mrs. Balm Miller here. >> Mrs. Edles here. Mr. Jenna >> here. Mayor Lambert here. Mrs. Leonard here. Mr. Lefredo.
Mr. Meadow. >> Mrs. Parker >> here. >> Mr. Stevens, >> Mr. Tenquist >> here. >> And Mr. Wanger >> here. >> I am having issues issues with the
camera though. >> Okay. Is that Rick? >> That is right here. >> He was the one that said that he was having issues. >> Yes, he was having issues. >> All right, moving right along to the approval of minutes. I'm assuming everybody read them. Uh, can I have a
motion to approve the minutes? >> I move any second. Colleen. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Minutes approved. Next, the approval of the bills. $5,678.58. Motion to approve. I approve. Pardon.
>> Can I? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Who approve? >> I make a motion to approve. Penny >> second. >> Colleen. >> Colleen. [clears throat] All in favor? >> Thank you. >> Bills are approved.
>> All right. Getting down to the new business tonight. The first one is is that yes, that's the one. 209 angleside bulk variance to permit an increase in building coverage from 81.4%
to 81.5% where the maximum permitted is 75 and increase in pvious coverage from 98.1 to 98.3 where the maximum permitted is 60% for a
property located at 209ide Avenue. Jim. Jim. >> Thank you. >> Good evening. James Raven on behalf of the applicant Al Parado Entertainment LLC. So, this property that's the subject of
this application is the property containing the Surflight Theater, which everyone's familiar with. if there was any confusion regarding the address of the property. So all the lots involving the surf light and the showplace were consolidated back in
2006. I believe it was uh 2006 and the [snorts] tax records of the burrow have the address for the the whole property as consolidated is 206 Center Street. So that's what the burough tax records will reflect. But the property
that's the portion of the property that's the subject of this application is a single family home that fronts on Angleside Avenue that has a separate street address on the dwelling as 209 Engleside Avenue. So there's no proposed changes to the theater itself. It's just
the house that sits between the theater and the cast house which is uh the cast house is immediately adjacent to the Murphy's Market parking lot. So, what the applicant is proposing is there's currently a staircase in between 209
Angleside Avenue and 211 Englesside Avenue. 211 is the cast house. And that stair between the two buildings is currently utilized to access the cast house. And I I do have photographs I'm going to mark that'll show this a little bit better. The staircase that exists
currently is going to be reconstructed and extended so that the staircase will also access the second story of the home that's located at 209 Angleside Avenue. So there will now have be two means of ingress and egress from 209 Angleside
where currently it's just the front door to get in and out. There's a front porch. The applicant's also seeking to reconstruct the stairs that go to the existing front porch which are on the east side of 209 angleside. And there's also overall renovations that are
proposed to 209 angleside that include cedar shake siding and it's going to look a lot nicer. That was all approved by HPAC. But because the lot was consolidated, we had to come in as a site plan for the whole property. and the addition of the
staircase going further is causing an increase in building coverage and imperous coverage just for the portion of the stairway that's being extended. So, as a result of that, because they're both uh both the building coverage and impervious coverage are currently exceed
what's permitted, they are both increasing slightly and we need need the variance relief based on those two issues. Um, so that's the overview of the application. Jim Bzowski is going to testify regarding the variances and then we'll hear from Kevin Schwarzoff from
CWB and then I have Steve Steiner to speak on behalf of the Surflight. Uh next I'll call Jim Bzowski. >> Mr. Rosski, happy Thanksgiving to you. Do you swear in front of the testimony before the board this evening will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you.
>> Uh Mr. Rossi, why don't you >> just uh for the record, my name is James Rosski. I'm a licensed professional engineer and professional planner in the state of New Jersey and an employee at Horn Tyson and Yodor since 1997. >> All favor next.
>> Yes, I know the board has heard from Mr. Bzowski a number of times. We'd like to introduce him as an expert in professional engineering and planning. And before you get started, Mr. I'm going to mark as exhibit A1. It's two sheets. Uh the first sheet
contains one photograph that depicts a view of the front of 209 Engleside Avenue. And then the second page has two photographs. The first shows a close-up version of the staircase in between 211 and 209 Angleside Avenue. And then the
second photo on page two is just a a view of that staircase from from further away uh from a further south vantage point. Uh so I'll [clears throat] circulate these to the board. on Google Earth right now.
>> You sure it's >> just before the sun went down? So, Mr. Rzowski, before you start with your testimony, if you could just authenticate these photographs. [clears throat] So, you've reviewed the three photographs we just marked as exhibit A1. >> Yes.
>> And I took those photographs today. And would you please verify that the photographs accurately depict the current condition of the site? >> Yes, they do. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, and if you could just go over your variance plan, [clears throat] excuse
me, variance plan, site plan with the board and just explain how the site's currently developed and what we're changing. >> Sure. The the property is located uh between Engleside Avenue and Center Street. Uh, and it also has frontage on uh Beach Avenue. Uh the the property
contains 23 27,337 square feet. Um and it's it's developed it it appears with a bunch of buildings that have been joined over the years. Uh it's it's uh primarily it's the site of
the Surflight Theater. Um the the area of interest for this uh variance is the single family dwelling that's is situated on lot 13. Now all the lots have been merged. Um as uh Mr. Little
points out in his letters. So the the the whole site is lots 9 through 14. Uh this particular building just happens to be on uh lot 13 uh portion of the property. Um, and what we're looking to
do is simply extend there's an existing set of stairs that [snorts] goes up and provides access to the the Loris Mhler cast house which is uh provides a residential u housing for uh members of
the uh Surflight Theater and and we want to renovate the existing two-story dwelling to also provide um housing for uh members of the Surflight Theater. So, in order to provide uh
access or to the to the building, we're going to extend that set of stairs up to a landing to [snorts] provide access uh to this building. Um there's als there's an existing access off the front porch. We're also reconstructing the existing steps on the east side of the building.
Um, so in all we're going to have it there'll be two means of egress uh to the building to the uh north of this building is another building. So there's no exit to the rear. There's no windows to the rear. It's another building. Um, so the the
best and most economical way to provide this access is to pro provide that additional 46.9 square foot steps and landing uh to provide access uh to that building. Um the site has four existing non-conformities. It's in the it's in
the business district. The BD zone has four existing non-conformities. The uh lot coverage, the building coverage is at 81.4% where 75% maximum is permitted. Um the existing impervious coverage is 98.1%
where 60% maximum is permitted. Um there's no off- streetet parking uh on this property where 31 parking spaces are required and there's no loading zones on the property where three loading zones are required. Um the addition of the this the additional
steps are going to increase the building coverage by onetenth of 1% um to 81.5% from 81.4. Uh again that's an increase of 46.9 square feet. uh the impervious coverage
is also going to increase by uh 210 of 1% from the 98.1 to 9 uh8.3%. That's also the the 46.9%. Um and [clears throat] probably the difference between the 1% for the
building coverage and the 2% for the building coverage is rounding. Um uh uh the uh the variances can be granted uh uh
because we're um advancing one of the purposes of the municipal land use law. Um being that uh we're creating a safer situation to to uh egresses to the building. Um and also there's going to be some cosmetic uh um changes. We're
going to basically add siding to the to the existing building and I think they're going to kind of renovate uh more of the property and and clean the whole property up. Uh so, uh we're creating a more aesthetic um looking property
and basically adding the stairs doesn't really adversely affect the the surrounding properties or the the zoning um code. We're increasing by onetenth of 1% for building coverage, 2/10 of 1% for impervious.
>> So the benefit of providing the additional ingress and egress to 209 angle side outweighs any detriment of the increased building coverage. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And basically those the additional stairs between the the two buildings
is unnoticeable. You're not going to see it. >> Yeah. As you can see from the photographs, the only way you'll notice is if you're looking directly headon. >> You have to be standing in that six foot area looking directly at them? >> Yeah. >> And in the event the board were to
approve the application, you don't feel that that would impair the intent and purpose of the zone plan and zoning ordinance? >> No, we're not. [snorts] We're as um Mr. Steiner um mentioned earlier this morning, we're not at changing the ground cover beneath the stairs. So, these are going to be
stairs that are elevated. Um they're starting from about 10 foot above the ground. The ground below them is pvious. Uh so, we're not changing the pvious nature of the ground below the stairs, but because there are stairs being constructed over that area, uh it does
increase the impervious coverage. Uh, and the stairs are going to be they're not going to be an enclosed stair. >> Thank you, M. Mr. Bowski. >> Yeah. >> Any questions? >> I don't know what else I can add. [laughter] [clears throat]
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, next I'll call Kevin Schwarzoff. Mr. Schwarzoff, raise your right hand. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Do you swear affirm the testimony I give before this board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you.
>> Um, for the record, Kevin Schwarz, I'm licensed architect at CWB Architecture, and I've been employed there since 2020. Um, so Jim basically said most of what's going on. Um, we're just basically trying to add a second means of egress to the
second level, trying to bring it more into compliance what it should be. Um, literally just running that one staircase up from the cast house up into the hallway of the second floor where we have the four bedrooms up there. Um, existing staircase in the interior. Um,
as it that stands right now does not meet all applicable building codes. By having the second stair go up there, it does get the safe means of egress from that second floor going down to the grade level. >> And in addition to the staircase, what are the other proposed renovations to the property?
>> So, we basically are trying to do like a complete refinish of it. We've been working with the New New Jersey Historic Trust trying to bring it back to what it was before. Um, just basically working with them on the siding and the railings. Um, >> excuse me. Could you speak into the
microphone? Oh, I'm sorry. My gosh. [laughter] Okay. >> Just for the recording. Just for the recording. >> Oh, that's heavier than I thought. Um, would you like me to say I can say it all again. Uh, so yeah. So, we basically trying to refinish the building, trying to bring it back to what it was
historically. And we've been working with the New Jersey Historic Trust, sending them um basically many iterations, trying to go through their records of what the sighting was, trying to redo it with actual modern materials. And uh as far as I know that they have
been approved that has also gone through the historic um preservation society here and also been approved. So really just trying to revitalize it to what historic nature was. >> So in doing this does this become fire
safe? >> Uh yes it does give a safe means of egress from the upstairs to the exterior >> all four bedrooms. I mean, I thought if your bedroom didn't have a door to a deck or something, you needed an eress window. >> It does have an egress window. You'll see that there are some replacements in there. And there also are some
exceptions to the egress windows pending fire sprinklers. That's something that >> have sprinklers. >> Uh, it's going to have sprinklers extended from the existing mixuse building. >> Yes. >> Do you have a a rendering of what the
final product will look like or >> We do not have a rendering. No. Mr. Raven, is that something that can be pro provided to Mr. Little? >> Yeah, I suppose you could put together a rendering, right? >> Yeah, we can we can have one done. >> Yeah.
>> Right. We do have the elevations, but not a Would you prefer a color rendering basically? >> No, that that may be fine actually. Um >> yeah, the sheet three of the architectural drawings does include a uh basically two elevations which are the
only elevations you can really see. The right side elevation and the south side elevation. I don't know if you have those. >> Thanks. [clears throat] >> I've got another copy if someone wants to see it too. >> Very nice. Mr. Little, those elevations suffice for
your purposes? >> Yes. Okay. >> Yeah, they were in uh they were in the packet and referenced in my letter and shows the complete front of the building. So, I don't see any need to put the applicant to the expense of a colored rendering. At this point, we have it. >> I concur unless the board feels
differently. [clears throat] >> Any other questions? The architect? No. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Schwarzoff. Next, I'll call Steve Steiner. >> You [clears throat] can use this. >> Make it easier on you.
>> This is fine. Whatever. [laughter] >> Need a mic. >> Good evening. Do you swear on the testimony before the board will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you very much. >> Um, Mr. Steiner, if you could state your affiliation with the Surf Light, please,
for the board. Yes, I am uh the uh executive director which is the producing artistic director of Ocean Professional Theater Company. Ocean Professional Theater Company is a 501c3 uh nonprofit organization that leases the entire campus from Al Paranelo
Entertainment. Uh now our [clears throat] agreement is that uh he's basically a landlord that accepts rent and any adjustments, fixing anything that happens uh like this year
we've had to replace uh four air conditioners and a walk-in freezer. Uh that's on us. So we have to pay for everything. uh he actually only uh just collects rent and pays his mortgage and uh uh the the various other he has he
has insurance and but that's rolled into our rent. Uh so yeah, he he does not pay for any of the renovations. So everything that we've done thus far uh has been uh on us including as I'm sure many of you know that we've completely
resided the uh all of the uh buildings on Center Street and the Surflight Theater. Those were part of this grant that we received from the um from uh the uh New Jersey Historic Trust. It was a $250,000 grant to do all of those
buildings and this building at 209 Englesside. Now, we've already spent 353,000. So, it's a lot more than what the grant was, but the grant gave us the impetus to do it. And that was really more than your question. I'm sorry, [laughter] but I want you to know about all that stuff.
>> How long is your lease for? >> Uh, seven years. And we're going into year, it's either two or three. This is the second seven-year lease. >> Oh, >> yeah. The first seven-year lease was uh 2017
uh through 2024 which panned uh over the pandemic. So I guess we're going into the second year now of the of the lease in May. >> Mr. Raven, just for the record, the owner landlord has consented to the filing of this application. >> Yes. >> That's included in the packet. Correct.
>> Yes, we did submit an affidavit of ownership signed by the owner authorizing the application and you have the authority to speak on behalf of the applicant. Correct, Mr. Steiner? Absolutely I do. >> Okay. And Mr. Senator, you had also provided me with an agreement between
the Surflight Theater and the Methodist Church across Beach Avenue. So, there's an agreement in place to allow you to use the Methodist Church parking which is across Center Street from the Surflight. Is that correct? >> It's across from Show Place.
>> The Show Place is right next to Surflight. Yes. and it it has 50 spots and uh we uh have had that in place uh since before uh Al bought the building out of uh out of the bankruptcy that it had in 2015. So yeah, and we do that
every year and it's a it's a lease again. We we rent it and now it's I think it's $4,000 a year now. >> Okay. And uh the house that's the subject of the application, what's that currently used for? Uh we occasionally have uh
employees staying there. U this year we've had one person there. Uh he's uh our costume designer and his dog. Uh but they've been staying there. Before that, we had a a gentleman who
was uh really didn't have any place to stay. uh he was a friend of uh Tom Meadows and Tom approached us uh and he stayed there for seven years uh uh he was there and for the first two years he didn't pay anything at all and then he
started getting some money from I guess social security and so he was paying $200 a month but that didn't even cover the electricity but it was and he passed on which uh gave us the opportunity to let's jump in and get this work done and
and we're trying to make [snorts] the entire uh theater uh organization uh as strong as possible and in the best shape possible for when it's time for the next stewards of the organization to take it
over. Uh which, you know, I'm 23 and a half Celsius, so I'm getting up there. [laughter] [snorts] Just yesterday, [clears throat] as a matter of [laughter] fact, happy birthday. >> Happy birthday. >> Thank you. Any
any more questions? >> I don't think I have any further questions. >> Anybody on [clears throat] the board have a question? >> I I have a question. >> Um, first of all, I think this will be a tremendous improvement to Beach Haven. >> Thank you. with the your planned
improvements and this is more of a question I guess in terms of processes and it it just seems that there's only slight increases in the ratios that we're talking about
here um even roundoff errors so I I [clears throat] just have to ask and it's maybe a silly question >> no such >> but [clears throat] why does this even need to be presented to this committee here >> with the small differences that we're
[laughter] >> because exceed it exceeds that which is permitted in our zoning code >> but it's already there and right >> it exceeds it exceeds more >> this application is going to increase it >> yeah it's a very small
>> I feel bad they have to come here before us >> to present this quite honestly >> that's the way the landlord I certainly don't mind meeting all of you people and seeing all you people but this is costing us probably close to $12,000. >> That's my point, Mr.
>> It's a It's a It's a good question. I understand. But anytime there's a pre-existing condition that already exceeds the required limits, if the property owner wants to increase again, they have to get relief from the land use. >> Jerry, doesn't matter how big
>> charges by the minute. The more questions, [laughter] >> the more expensive it's going to be for the first and his rate is higher than mine. >> [laughter] >> I have a motion to approve this. >> Let's open our public first. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, >> Jimmy. Anything else?
>> That's all I have. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Can I have If there's no [laughter] questions, no other comments. Can I have a motion to approve or deny this application? >> Motion to Wait, wait. We got to open to
the public first. >> There's nobody here. I know. We have to do it anyway. >> That's right. [laughter] Have a motion. >> I make a motion to open to the public. >> Any second? >> Second. >> Anybody on Zoom? [laughter]
No. Seeing no one on Zoom. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to close it to the public? >> So move, Penny. >> Second. >> Thank you. And now can I have a motion to [laughter] Motion to approve.
>> Second. >> Second. >> How are you? >> Mrs. Miller. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Edles. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jenna. >> Yes. >> M. Mayor Lambert. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Leonard. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tinquist.
>> Yes. >> Um, Mr. Alfredo's not here. Mr. Winganger. >> Mr. Winganger. What was your answer? >> Uh, yes. >> Work. I mean, the video work. >> Should say the microphone. >> Mrs. Parker.
>> Yes. Yes. >> And Mr. Aello. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Good luck. Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Thank you all very much. >> Jeopardy. [laughter] >> There you go.
Oh, [clears throat] for a nonprofit, >> but I you know >> that's where that's where I was coming from. >> I know. All right. What's next? Two resolutions. Good night. >> Thank you, Jim. >> Thank you.
>> I'll just wait for it. >> So, if I may, Madam Chair, the next item on the agenda was the application of 100 Northwest Avenue uh for amendments to certain conditions of approval from the 2015 resolution of approval. We received a letter from Mr. Raven's office today
asking that the matter be adjourned to our meeting of January 5 which [clears throat] I know is our reorganization. So unless for some reason there's any objection um so that the applicant has the opportunity to tie some loose ends and in addition having received an email earlier today from
someone indicating that they hadn't received notice although I believe they did the request has been made. Um, I don't think there's any reason not to uh grant the request that that application be carried to our January 5 meeting. And
maybe some of the issues uh between now and then will be resolved. Maybe they won't, but that request has been made. >> Can I just ask a question? >> Sure. >> Is it common to go back into a resolution 10 years in the past and ask for different things to be changed?
>> Is that common? We're kind of getting to the merits, Miss Ber. But but I'll but I'll say this. >> I haven't found any reading on it yet. >> I'll say this. An applicant can always come back before a board and ask for relief from conditions of approval >> because there's no >> there's no there's no statute of limitations. That's what my question.
>> The timing the amount of time sometimes the more time that goes by more circumstances change. Okay. And it may lead to that. I've experienced it >> maybe not 15 years later but certainly as many as 10. Okay. >> Um and there is no there is no statute limitations for that. >> Thank you.
So, we just need a motion to >> We need a motion to uh carry it, don't we? >> Yes. >> Yes. And I have a motion to carry it to application. What's the number? >> It's >> um 2025-11. >> 2025-11
to the January meeting, which is January 5th. >> Correct. [cough] >> 2026. >> So, move any >> second. >> You can do it. >> Who was it? No. >> All in favor? >> I >> oppose.
>> Mr. Wanganger, were you in favor? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And ju just if I may for for the records for anyone who's here or not here and anyone on Zoom, this will be the notice that this application is being carried to January 5. There will be no further
notice given. It will not be published in the paper. It will not be mailed out again to everyone that's on the 200 foot list. Um, this is sufficient notice, so the applicant need not renotice. This is the notice. If anyone who's on Zoom has any interest in this application, wants to know if it's going forward or not,
they can certainly contact the board secretary uh for any updates. But this is the notice. >> Thank you, Mr. Raven. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, [clears throat] Jim. >> Happy holidays. >> Happy holidays. >> Happy holiday. >> Thanks. You, too.
>> All right. I just uh I have a little thing I want to tell everybody. >> Oh, we did. >> I'm not too anxious. [laughter] >> Okay. Resolutions. Uh 2025-08. That was 134 Belvore, the big beautiful
porch wraparound. And I have a motion to approve resolution 25-08. >> I approve. I make a motion to approve. >> Approve. >> Second. [snorts] >> I'll second. Um he can he second no you
weren't he >> doesn't matter on that one that's okay >> seconding or somebody yes somebody u Mrs. Biller >> yes >> Mrs. Edles >> yes >> Mr. Jenna >> yes >> Mayor Lambert >> yes >> Mrs. Leonard
>> yes >> Mr. Wanger >> yes >> Mrs. Parker >> yes >> and Mr. Jello. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay. Moving along to resolution 202509, 400 North Bay Avenue. Was that
>> That was the Jersey girl application. >> The Jersey girl with the stairs in the back. >> Correct. >> Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the resolution? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. Second, Penny. >> Mr. Mrs. Ed? >> Yes. Mr. Jenna?
>> Yes. >> Mrs. Leonard? >> Yes. >> Mr. Tinquist? Yes. >> And Mrs. Parker. >> Yes. >> Thank you. You forgot me. >> No, you voted against the application. >> I want to say no. [laughter]
>> To say no again. >> Do I have to ask if there's any public comments? >> You do because there's people on Zoom. Madam Chair, >> they all left, I believe. [laughter] >> No, they're still here. >> Uh, is there anybody on Zoom that would like public comment to make public
comment? Do we have to open it first or no? >> We should. >> There's nobody. Nobody. No. There's nobody, right? >> I mean, there's I don't see any right here, but normally you open it, >> right? Motion to open. >> Make a motion to open it to the public.
>> Thank you. >> A second. If anyone on Zoom would like to make a comment, you can raise your electronic hand. Or if you can't figure out how to do that, turn on your camera and wave your hand.
>> I don't see anybody on Zoom. >> And I have a motion to close it to the public. >> I so move, Penny. I second. [clears throat] Thank you. >> Oh, we're done. Motion to say I just have something. I'm uh I'm going to
resign as chair of the land use board. Uh I've done this long enough. It's somebody else's turn to have all the fun [laughter] and I'll [clears throat] still be serving on the board for two more years, but it's time somebody else come in and and pick
it up. So, you guys have about 30 days to figure out who you want to be your new chair. That's what we'll do in our meeting in January. as we do every at every >> I mean I I do want to say you've got
great professionals. I mean all three of them, Frank, Eric, and Mary Claire are outstanding. So it's it's not a tough job. It's exhausting sometimes. [laughter] >> But
it's uh but anyway, I just wanted to let everybody know that. >> Well, we certainly appreciate your service. >> Thanks, Danny. Okay. Now, can >> What's that >> motion? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Can I have a motion >> to approve I mean to adjourn this
meeting? >> So, adjourn this meeting. >> Thank you. [laughter] >> Do I have a second? I'll second. >> Second. >> Doesn't matter. All in favor? >> Y. Thank you. >> Happy holiday everyone. >> Happy holidays everybody. >> Happy holidays to you Rick.
>> Give me a couple of >> Right. Enjoy. See you.