or somebody to talk to. Good morning everyone. We'll start the meeting with pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. All right. Agenda confirmation. And do we have any changes to the agenda? Uh, Mr. Chair, just a couple of things to note. Um, in your packet, you would have had or been provided the human service
claims. However, it is not listed on the consent agenda. So, I just wanted to make note of that. Um, so we perhaps could add it at number 12 or you can just I guess maybe with number one. We can add it with number one. Yeah. Yep.
That would probably make more sense. Um another note you were um given or provided the um finance committee meetings from yesterday. We did add an item um and it is on the agenda as well for abatements. But I just wanted to make a note that we did modify the
agenda yesterday on finance um from the original and added and discussed abatements. And I believe, oh, one last thing on your consent agenda number six, the land use, parks, and uh rack the lawnmower purchase. Um, in that
paperwork in one spot, it says 2,000. A request for 2,000 and one request for 25. I just wanted to clarify the dollar amount was 2500. I think that's number five, isn't it? I think it's number five. Yep, that's number five. Oh, sorry. Yep. Yep. I had it written on
number six. You are correct. 2500. So, I just wanted to clarify that dollar amount. There was two different dollar amounts of information. Is there any other changes to the agenda, additions or subtractions? All right, I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda. Motion to approve. Motion by Jerry. We have a second. I'll second.
Second by Erica. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Motion carries. I order. All right. Minutes from last meeting. Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes? I just had one under the sheriff's
department number four um where it said approve the out state travel. I just was thinking we should because of it's outstate we should give more detail as to what. So I just thought we should say for bear bare
cat training and inspection. That was all I had. I I had one question and I so on number two under county administrator so it's on page five two and three um did so we approved his contract but
didn't we previously appoint him or or we can't or was not official until we approved the contract. Um, yes, the the dollar amount in the it was approved, but we didn't have the contract in hand at this point because because it says county surveyor
appointment. We didn't really we didn't really appoint him though, did we? It it is an official I thought we did. We appointed him, but we didn't we already approved the appointment without with the prior without the contract, didn't we? Or how did we do that? Well, it came
back a couple of times from memory. Um we had um it was really a a contractor a an agreement outlying the scope of work. Yeah. Um so yes we did appoint him and maybe I'm not missing maybe I'm missing the question. So so what my question is
we appointed him to be our surveyor but we then then we redid the contract. Yes. So so we so in the in the minutes it says county surveyor appointment. We didn't really actually appoint him. You just did we approve that resolution
4252C on that day? Mhm. Yes. And that resolution was and I I believe the direction was that there were some suggestions and some contract language and I was to take the contract and just reward and that's all been completed. Yeah. But but in the minute I we didn't it just maybe doesn't reflect the way.
Yeah. I don't know. It probably isn't a big deal but I just but I think if the resolution 4252C the title of it is county surveyor appointment. Okay. All right. Right. All right. I think Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Does anybody else have any
corrections or additions to the minutes? All right. I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes. So, move motion. Mr. Chair, I did. I did have one. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Um on page two of three on number five under county administrator report. I just thought the word just
maybe not quite clear enough. Motion in a second to approve a letter of support for the bead grant application. And then the sec, it's the next line, the request for $5,000 will go through EDA. I said probably should be um recommend the financial request to go to ADA. I mean,
because we it sounds like we're ordering it. Okay. And I suggesting and that they review. I think it's more their decision if they want to do that. Although we we kind of recommended that you did, but we didn't. That's not a anyway, that was
that was all I did. So, sorry for that. No, that's fine. So, are you guys good with adding that? You're good, too. Okay. So, do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. All right. Motion carries. All right. Consent
agenda. Is there any any items that anybody would like to pull off of the consent agenda? All right. Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. I'll make a motion to approve. Motion by
Barry. Do I have a second? I'll second. Second by Erica. Have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. All right. Motion carries. All right. Open forum. Do we have anybody on the open
forum? Nate, do you have the Thanks, Nate. All right, Jane Newower. Thank you. Thank you. Please state your name and and and your address and then we're good. Perfect. So, I'm Jane Newower. I
work with Partnership for Health in the region. My address actually is Underwood, Minnesota, but I work regionally here in Clay Becker, Ottertale, and Wilin counties. Um, I was here probably it was 2022 I think and visited with you folks a couple of
different times just talking about the need for the increase for dental access and we have been diligently working over the past few years with um our nonprofit providers in the region and hopefully you're aware of the rollout of the Apple Tree Clinic. Erica was at our meeting
last week so that was pretty exciting. Um, Apple Tree Dental is working with the city of Detroit Lakes to they have a lease agreement in place to take over their uh, public works building as of June 1st and they'll do some
modifications, some updates and then they'll open the doors there to provide care um, as of July 1st. So, we are really excited about that. Uh there have been hundreds of people, literally hundreds from Detroit Lakes and the Becker County area that have been served
at Apple Tree already. Um so that is great news for your constituents and for the folks here in Detroit Lakes. Uh in addition to that, we have been working with um the schools. So, all of our schools in the region, we've been meeting them meeting with them with
their um wellness committees and we have 18 schools in the region, including all three of your schools here in in Becker County that are have dental as part of their wellness committee work plans. Um so, that's pretty cool. We have been
doing we've been busy doing dental education for all of the students this spring in partnership with um yeah thank you for putting that up on the board with in partnership with dental hygienists from both Apple Tree and then children's dental services um and some
of the nonpr or some of the private practice dental hygienists as well. So um I did give you a nice little summary and overview of the project and things that have been going on throughout the region. Our biggest project by far though has been here in Becker County.
So, thank you all for your support of that. Thank you for your involvement. Um, we're really excited to continue to grow that clinic. It is currently operating about two days a week, but will grow with um added staff. So
actually if any of you have kids, grandkids or what have you that are interested in some great careers, I hope you would direct them to dental as a part of those health careers as well because we have a very big need for dental professionals here in the region. They're great jobs. Um and there are
lots of different programs available to help them. So, uh, the other big thing that we've done here in Detroit Lakes, we have a mobile clinic also that's offered for kids, um, with children's dental services, and it used to be at the First Lutheran Church here in
Detroit Lakes. It was hosted there, and we decided to move that over to the elementary school. So, it's currently being hosted at Roosevelt Elementary. Um, and it's it's really gone well moving it to the school where kids have they don't need to leave school. they
can have dental care right at the school and um parents don't have to take time off work and that kind of thing. So, uh we're pretty excited about that. And then the last page of the handout that I provided to you just shows our dental access
opportunities when we started in 2020. The map on top shows where we're at today and the map on the bottom shows the access opportunities that we had prior to this grant um coming into effect. So there has been a lot of progress made in the last 5 years with
dental access. Um sadly there's still a huge need for that as well. So we really are hopeful to continue to grow um Apple Tree services to a full-time clinic here in the next few years as well. So um any questions for me? Mr. Chair, are you
building a new facility? I heard you talk about the mobile. Did I miss the because I know I was on the de development authority with Detroit Lakes and you're going to build in DL and then you were going to build in Frzy. Has that come to fruition anywhere? Thank you for bringing that up. So origin the
original plan was that Northern Dental Access was going to build a new facility in Freyszy and as all projects do it kind of ebbed and flowed and changed. Um, Northern Dental Access decided to secure two additional buildings a little
closer to their Bumiji office and so they opened new facilities in Baggley and Park Rapids and withdrew their application to build in Freze. And so as a result of that, Apple Tree Dental stepped up and came to they decided that
they would open the facility here in Detroit Lakes. Um, and so that has been actually operating on a more part-time basis since, well, for since 2010, honestly, they were only serving kids at Essentia Health as an outreach. Uh, but
that's where the new development is, is that they recently secured this building that was the public works building. Um, and that will be opening up as a as a full as a clinic, not necessarily full-time yet, but as a building of its
own standalone building. So, thank you. Yeah. Yep. I I just want to say thank you for all your work because this meets such a huge need and I mean it there's going to be continued need, but it it there's such a huge need for um especially those on medical assistance
for for dental um needs. So, just thank you for doing that work. Thank you, Erica. And thank you again for being at the meeting and listening to all the information. So, thank you again for your support. Um, if there aren't any other questions, otherwise my contact
information is in the handout that you have, feel free to reach out any time. Um, not only do I, you know, do some of the administrative side of things, I also help people get access to dental care, um, which we have a lot of requests for that that come in, too. So,
um, feel free to reach out anytime. But thanks again for your support. Thank you, Jane. Yeah. I just want to shout out to Annie Began too on our she's our public health nurse and she does amazing work in with all the dental referring and getting all that in order. So she
absolutely does. Yes. Annie Annie and um Amanda as well. So thank you to both of those. Thank you. You guys have a good day. Mr. Chair, just to note this was on the agenda as a placeholder, but she uh No, that's so we've got one item done.
That's good. All right. reports and correspondence. Who would like to go first? I can go first. Uh we had EDA, we did approve the RVID grant, which I think is the bead grant that we had just discussed about or discussed at the last meeting.
So that should move forward. Just a couple updates on housing. Um we not a lot has changed. We do still have we have one opening in one of our public homes that will um be coming up for um a vacancy. We are
currently assisting 57 families with an average house payment of $468. There's one voucher um out looking for for home housing. And then we have 115 applicants on the waiting list. Uh, nothing else really changed in the other
housing other than I just wanted to say our West River W River Town Home, which is the long-term homeless supportive housing, had recently had a MHFA inspection. And because of the Great Management Review, there will be no inspections required until
2027. So, that's always nice. And then of I of course have had the dental outreach, um, which we just learned about. And then just a couple things for the fair board. Maybe Dave can include anything
that I um forget, but we were approved for a couple of the grants. And we also recently got or the fair board got approved for a $500 grant from DL Community, which will that was 5,000. Oh, 5 oh 5,000. I missed the zero.
um to and they're going to work on this schoolhouse and some extra benches by for by the schoolhouse. And then they're just working on, you know, continuing to get sponsors for the um rodeo events. The rodeo. Yep. I don't
know if you have anything else to add. No, they pretty much have their sk their schedules all set, their entertainment schedule. And then just a reminder, the fair is July Oh, I just had the dates in my head. Hold on. When is it?
July 23rd to the 26th. And then also too, the what is it? Is it It's Is it It's Thursday is senior day. Um so the pie and ice cream social, they're not going to have the program before this year. So they're just going to have the
pie and ice cream social. I don't know what time yet, but I know last year there were two separate times and some of some of us showed up on time and some of us showed up late. Mr. Chair, you pie. And one one other thing to note, they're
working with project 412, which the I think the last couple years they did a chocolate chip cookie contest and a salsa contest. Was it? Yeah, salsa last year. Chocolate chip cookie. And this So this year they're doing a sugar cookie contest. They're going to have a plain and a decorated. And they're also working with project 412 to get some
murals out there on the buildings. Yep. That was all I had. Who'd like to go next? I was just clearing my throat. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. I'll go. Um I had the a watershed meeting on the 16th of April. Um going
through some rules revision. You probably seen some stuff in the in the newspaper. Um, I'd encourage you guys to reach out as we will have two appointments next meeting uh to reach out to current former or myself wershed people and just kind of figure out what's going on there. Um 23rd I had a
Prairie Lakes meeting um applied for uh uh the construction demolition grant that we applied for that uh hub and spoke regional plan was approved by the MPCA. So that will be moving forward. um the the the grant or the the the study will be
moving forward. Um also talked that this ash thing, so to reuse this ash in roads has become a big deal. Uh we're going to apply for a CAP grant um to create an ash recovery system. Um currently if you do drive down Highway 10, um the
intersection of 75 right before Wadina Highway 75 going south, they're going to use be using some ash in that road to reuse it. It makes the road stronger. Um they've already been doing it up in PK County a lot. Uh so that that's our test
project this year. Next year, Becker counties, Highway 39 and 40. We will be uh putting ash into those roads. Um also one thing came through. Uh they got some biohazard material into the Prairie Lakes. Prairie Lakes is the incinerator over in Pum for you those of you that
don't know, but there's some biohazard that came through there and they did figure out it did come from Becker County. So, we had our guys go over to the hospitals and make sure that they're not putting biohazards into there cuz that's that's a big big no no. Um had a
zoning ordinance review meeting me and Barry sat in. Um so, we're meeting we're going to start meeting weekly. Um the first thing we're doing is we're we're following the DNR shoreland model ordinance guide to figure out our our shoreland ordinance. It's already in place, but we're going to tweak it a
little bit. Um Kyle's leading that there. Um we have planning and zoning. Um just just to touch on that, it's it's um it's very complicated because you have to I mean the DNR is a model ordinance is fine and they have they
have in their ordinance they have extra um ones that aren't required but they're optional. So, we're looking at those, too. But what's hard for us is to incorporate all the things that we want that from our old plan. But it's how to
reference things in the whole ordinance and comp plan. How do you reference those so you don't have um things that are um saying two different things at different parts of the of the whole ordinance. So, I mean it's a huge undertaking and and I don't know if you
know I think this whole board this is this is our this is what commissioner's main or his most important duty is to set this policy for. So, um I would I mean if it was me not on that committee I would say I want to I think this should be full board discussion rather
than committee at committee because this is what what you want moving forward. But that I mean if you want to get I would get very detailed briefs on it weekly as we move forward because this is this is um setting our whole I mean this is just the shoreline but it it
goes it goes I mean it's all-encompassing as we move forward. It's going to be the whole thing. And and you know, we had the um company that was supposed to do this for us and and they have all they did I brought that packet with and all they did was in the model ordinance they just put the model
ordinance in their in their ordinances and and uh so that's all it was. It was just I'm looking through it's like this is the same as the model ordinance. That's all they did. Put it in in the other form. So it was so it's it's difficult. We're going out from ours the
one suggested and then the DNR. So, it's it's very complex and and trying to figure out how not to say something where it affects something else in in their ordinances and comp plan. So, anyway, it's it's big. It's it is
complicated. That's why we're going to try to meet weekly and like I said that we're going to start with a shoreline ordinance. When we're done with that, we're going to move to other things. So, it is detailed. But if you want to know I think we said too we're going to we're going to try to finish part of something and not approve it. We want to approve
the whole thing. I think as and maybe this one with the shoreline it can be separate but we have to be careful not to um peace meal and and have conflicting statements in within the whole thing. So it's it's it's big if you look at the short or if you look at
the zoning ordinance changes in 1986 I think we went 6 years before we changed anything and as time has went on I mean there was four times in 2017 I think we changed our zoning ordinance all to make them more usable I think but it
it is it is arduous and it's going to be timeconuming but I think it'll be well worth it. Um, okay. Uh, planning and zoning. Eric and I had that. Uh, that'll be coming up later in the agenda here, too. Um, Richard and I had environmental
on the 1st, May 1st. Got some new hires. Uh, we're doing the organics roll out. So, um, and you'll see something in here. We're going to get some of the devices we need for this organics grant we got. Um, also talked about STS program cuts. I the more I ask about
this STS program, the the less I know I thought it is so complicated um IQUIC guys and the STS guys it's it's different I thought anyway um if those cuts happen we will have to decide where to find the money
to replace them I mean these are the guys that mow our parks you know parks and uh lake accesses and that cut is happening right I mean that not for sure it was in one of the languages that was put back in I think in the Senate was iterate Senate or the House put it back
in, but we still kind of expect it to be. Steve said we should know by the end of May for sure. So, I thought there was already a date set for it, but I didn't know they put it back. I think in the original proposal, the date was set for it by by July 1, but that proposal hasn't passed yet. And then I think that
was the governor's. Yep. Yeah, that was the governor's. The Senate put it in and then I think the House has it out also. So, it's not very likely, but it it's always a chance. We're also going to apply uh through environmental we're provide uh apply for some cap funding.
Uh it's going to be about 10 12 grand for an architect for an addition onto the transfer station. Um moving the HHW building to a a closer location and some uh um recyclable upgrades there. Uh it's a 7 7525 split. Now what we're going to
approve today is the architect to to see what that would look like so we can apply for the grant. Um, so it it'll be a step-by-step process, but this is the first step and we did approve that in in our we did and and it it you know,
nobody wants to spend any more money. I don't want to spend any more money, but the problem is that garbage is a big is a very expensive thing. And so we're looking at, you know, maybe we lose these STS guys. If we lose this equip crew that we have out there separating
garbage now, that's going to be be a big problem for us. So, one of the things that we want out there is a fiber screen. That would replace some some manpower manpower. Um, and we are looking at at this building. The thing is that we're not going to take it out
of the general fund. Um, it' come out of the environmental fund, the money that we're going to spend on it. and and we do have to do garbage is just going to you know we're trucking garbage all the way to Grand Forks and I don't know if anybody here knows about trucking. There's some farmers here. They know
what it cost to run trucks and trucks are very expensive. So we we have to try and I don't want to spend any money but sometimes you have to spend money and we're not we're not going to do it you know it's for the grant. Yeah we're looking we're looking into it is what we're doing. two things. Uh that
expansion of that the transfer station that there's now. Two things that would do. We're going to put a fire or we're going to apply to put a fire suppression system in there. We had a fire there a few years ago. We really need that. And I've talked some people that fires have started during the day that they've had to put out. The one that got away
started at night. So a fire suppression system would be a component of that. Um and uh if you know losing SDS, losing people, this new area in the transfer station would be to support separate some of this stuff mechanically rather
than by hand. And the same with the the the Murf, the uh the recyclables. Some of this stuff would allow for less people out there. They would. And you know, if you've ever stood out there and watched, sometimes people throw away really good stuff. I would I just
happened to be in there one day and they were pulling these 2 by sixes and 2 by10s out of this pile and it so to throw that in our demo would is ridiculous. And there's sometimes there's a lot of garbage on
that floor and there's it's just it's part of the whole recycling thing and trying to keep stuff out of our demo landfill, trying to trying to save what we can. And people really like
this reuse store. Um I keep, you know, I don't know, all that stuff is sitting outside right now, you know, and and we do have to move it along, but we have a plan for if somebody doesn't buy it, then we're maybe going to reduce it and maybe try and give it away. But there is
a lot of it and people really like it. And I guess that's another thing that we don't want to, you know, try and keep stuff out of our landfills. And so that's Yeah, Mr. Chair, I'm finished with my report. Okay. Who else would like to go? Oh, or who
wants to go next? Um, I can just chime in to a little bit. We discussed and Steve was at our sheriff's committee meeting Dave and I were at. Um, we figured out the cost for the, you know, so we'll lose funding for because we pay 75% of the STS person and
75% of theQUIC person. So, um, the estimated cost to to replace that that both of those would be about 20,000 each. So, 40,000 for the two positions. Um, and we have a list of of STS duties and responsibilities that that they do
annually. And I'll just read it real quick. Dun locks, you know, and I'm I won't go through everything they do, but um they they do pretty much everything at Dun Locks, everything at Middle Corage Swim, um help at museum, help set up for events, including um WeFest,
County Fair, things at the pavilion, Essentia, United Way, City Arena, help with numerous things there, townships, state DNR. Um we do we do charge the DNR for for m maintenance on their on their sites. So I think it was two years ago
we started getting about 19,000 16 or 19,000 from the DNR to maintain um their sites. So that will kind of pay for the position if you want to look at it that way. Parks and wreck um help with HUD and MMCDC's through ED through EDA
things. So, I mean, we do need we do need to I think we kn need to keep that position those positions for what they do out at the transfer station and and the services that they provide. And one of the things I said at our meeting was, you know, we're a we're a tourismdriven
county in the summer and um maintaining a clean environment at these recreation spots is kind of essential for us. And if and if we don't have this crew doing it, we would have to hire I mean, we would have to hire someone. And in the past when we didn't have access to it, we did hire a part-time person to help help us do that. So I'm pretty strong
argument. Pardon me. And that would be more than 40,000. Well, it would be it would be seasonal part, you know, part time. So, you know, it might be, but that's two positions. You know, it's 20,000 each. So, Mhm. Um, they also help with road ditch up Becker County Food Pantry and maintenance of they also
there was two things that weren't on the list. I just remember one of them. Uh, they help with the fair. They they they mow the mow the they mow the grounds in the summer and they also help with garbage at during the fair too. So now there are some things that that we could probably still use, but like um I think
it's a stateowned van. So I mean there's some things to work out, but um shout out to Brian Rubenstein who's really working well with us and trying to you know is with the sheriff and sheriff's not in here yet. Yeah, he's back there behind the corner. Sorry. So I think I
think we are very fortunate to have such good uh relationships with the with the state on this too. Anything to add to that, Todd? No. Thank you. Was there something I was supposed to mention in reports, Todd? I can't remember what it was. You wrote it down. What was it? No.
Well, it ended up on the consent agenda. It was the donation of the old computer. Oh, yeah. I think we wanted we wanted to note that we did donate computers to the city of DL that were old laptops. Um they had significant value. So, anyone from the city of DL should really thank us and give us a really good bargains on
what we're going to ask for later. So, um um we had a lot of stuff on the agenda. Our sheriff's meetings are really getting to be pretty long, uh uh Todd. So, um a couple things on the agenda. I won't go through those now.
Um I think every anything you want to talk Anyway, a lot of I don't think I think it really also is on the agenda. I think most of that was on the agenda. Um then Dave and I also had courthouse. Um we looked at a water fountain out here. You know, these water fountains are big
deals to county. Um there there's not a there's not a water fountain upstairs. want to take this bottle filler and maybe move upstairs and have a bottle filler and a um a spout, an old spot that you can drink out of out here. So, that might happen. Run a hole from
downstairs. Yeah. Um had a I I think Carrie probably will be going over the architectural walkthrough in her report, so I won't touch on that. Um Judy has um some more, you know, she's guarding us against all threats from it. Um, so she
had some updates for us and multifactor author authentication stuff that we discussed and and you know our emails are changing over to the.gov. Um, I didn't know that. Well, but what' she say? July July 1st and that was a requirement from I mean the state I
think it was a state requirement that we have to change into the Yeah. Yeah. So what will it be? Just becker.gov. Well, it's all everyone's email. So correct. Yeah. Yeah. I think. But what? So, what will it be? She said what it was. I don't know.
Becker go I think. Yeah, something like that. I might be off a little bit. Okay. Um, yeah. Your old email. What did I have? What did I miss? The Guardian Fleet. The Guardian Fleet. I don't think he
remembers. Oh, the code squad cars. Okay. Yep. Um Oh, yeah. That was the last one to the different company Westside uh what's the name of the new So we used to be with code four to do to put our equipment in and they were
they're such a delay I mean they're so busy and I think they have a contract that supersedes all local things. Um so they are what would you say two years behind on some of our equipment to get all of ours done it would be about two years. So we're looking at um a place
it's called Guardian Fleet down in down in Clear Lake. um Clear Lake between Clear Lake and Clear Water somewhere down there. So, and they're they're looking at using those and a lot of places are moving to that because they're a lot more time sensitive for us. Um they would take in our old
equipment and outfit other vehicles to also so there's some trade-in value that we thought was that was good. Um so, Sheriff Glender, anything to add to that? Uh we'll come up and get our squads to take them down and deliver. Yeah. So, Unfortunately, code four I think is
very local one, but there they you know, good for him. They are so busy with other permanent contract that they can't even the state. They need something done first. Okay. Thank you, Todd. Um where were we on courthouse courthouse? Uh um
we went we went over our um recruitment policy and our where we how we put veterans preference in our in our recruitment and job or how we do the hiring. um looked at an AI policy. I think they're all on the they're on
they're in the and we found that we had a um we got a kind of a demerit for our audit because we had a cash a small cash fund in the assessors that wasn't noted in the Yeah. So that was it. Anything to add? I don't think so. Um, we had
Richard and I had uh NRM. Um, we're going to be visiting the site later, so we won't go over that about um the shelter and the and the old site. Did we Did we accept the uh donation update or for the shelter? We
will be if we get more donations, they'll call come in all at once. Um Chuck Church was here and he twisted our arms to give him whatever he wanted and that was on our consent agenda. Um, if you didn't notice that, we gave we purchased a brush mower, a walk behind brush mower to clear trails. That will
be a county owned. Um, we did make a donation of was it two or 2500 to 2500 to um the the Heartland Trail. I tell you what, the hours that they put in and and I think we were recognized and now I say we generously because I didn't have anything to do with it. Uh, thank thank
those that are on the Northland Trail Committee and and do the work. um they're recognized as one of the one of the best in on the trail and uh shout out to them and shout out to um um just all the hard work that they've done with the volunteer hours are just incredible.
Um Jim, the trail routing study's on the agenda. Um that's on the agenda. Anything else to add? We Anyway, anything else to add to NRM? I'll just say that Chuck Church, you know, his heart is really I'm not sure
how old he is and maybe I'm not even supposed to say. Aren't you in the same age? He's a little He's a little older than me, but he's got more energy than I do. He gets and he really puts his heart into that job. He does a really good job with our trails. That's what I'll say.
And then also I'd just add that, you know, we still have the tribe coming to our meetings and and every meeting it's better and our re and they're really a couple most of the time there's just two guys there but they're really a couple good guys and and we're getting a better
and better relationship with them. Yeah, they're they're very helpful. They give us give us a nice report. I also had uh Lake Lake Lakeland Mental Health um doing doing well financially. So that's always one of our work things and
and Becker County's site is do um I think they're doing their psychiatry is doing better than most. So that's that's a positive. We um recognized some employees that had their 5year anniversaries at at the board meeting and then we went out to and and took them out to lunch afterwards. So it's it
was nice to have that some dialogue with employees. So, that went well. Um, the only other the other meeting I went to or I represented I don't know if I represented the board, but I represented um the Buffalo Red Wershed our district and they had a meeting talking about the
upper red um Buffalo River Restoration Project and uh there was numerous people from Becker County because this is all within Becker County um speaking against it and not so much the project but how it was funded. I think we we're probably well aware that this was a um this is a
capital improvement project and it's in in their in their comprehensive plan. They they listed as a as a capital improvement plan that states that it should be maintained by the watershed for the lifespan of the project and now they're stating that they want to they
want to put a water fee and and Bill would have more details on all that but I won't bore you with that. So we were opposed to it. It's it's my opinion that they need a conditional use for a conditional use permit from the county to move forward with this and they have not um re they have not reached out for
that. They have not started that process. They have not come to this board once to even discuss any of the project and it's completely within the county. I'm I stated at my concern about how how are you not coming to this board
and talking about this project prior to taxing people within Becker County. So, um I guess we'll we'll continue to look look at that. So, well, we don't have any representation there. And well, we might after today and well, we even well
even when we did have we only have one guy down there and that board is not and I I've talked to him extensively. Um they don't hardly acknowledge him. He doesn't it's not it's it's not a good place for Becker
County down there. And and so and it's it's to lay it all on our farmers up here is ridiculous. And the the problem is that and I've even talked to some of these farmers about it. You know, we should be keeping that sediment out of the river. So why are we going to go and
and spend all this time cleaning it out and it's, you know, we're it seems to me that that a lot of watershed boards are doing things backwards and upside down and they don't make a lot of sense. But I I I do believe we have to maybe clean
that sediment out of there, but let's keep it out of there in the first place. Let's let's start doing things right because we we haven't been. But well, I I think if you want to talk about this project specific and and the project necessarily isn't a bad project. I think
where the problem comes in is such a large project and if you if you review the project, it has to put a lot of levies in there to to make sure that it doesn't break over and go the route it is now because what happened it broke out of the old river bed and jumped and
made a new course a straight I mean because there's a lot of fall there. Um so my concern is um so this might be a good project um slows the water makes a nice meandering path for it but the in my opinion the odds of this failing in
the future are significant enough to where this I mean I mean it's a it's a big project. It's about a 4 to5 million project and I think this is on you know this on the main channel. So I mean this is a like it says in the old Buffalo red watershed
comprehensive plan. This is a capital improvement project that should be paid for by m main m and maintained by the full watershed. It's not a small project where these wershed districts were that's what the use of that was for to if you have a small project that
benefits that those land owners that those land owners would help pay for that. That's that's what this this watershed district was these districts were made for or the and that's my opinion and I think I don't know Bill you agree but if you have a benefit area
that's benefiting from something then they can pay for it but there there's no benefit for this this group of land owners to fix this part of this main channel the river um solely I think you know if you want to tax the whole whole
wershed for that then that would be more appropriate you can always go into costbenefit, but uh we won't go into that discussion today because you could argue that all day that it doesn't show a cost benefit, but um anyway. Yeah. Well, and that's part of our problem, too, is
we none of the people that want us to pay for it are up here paying for it. They're all down there. Well, I think I think you have to go into any, you know, especially when you're talking about low land versus highland. Every you put a pale the argument the saying was you put a pale of water between two farmers,
they're going to fight over where it goes. Um that's that's the way it is and you have to you have to work through that. Yeah. Any anything else to add on appointments or on reports?
Anybody else? You got anything? I got I got a couple. I'll just I'll be quick. So I better turn my mic on so everybody can hear. Uh Jerry, you can't hear me. All right. So Lakes Country Service Co-op, I we had a meeting. Uh basically we're they're going through they had
there's some budget issues they had we they had to revise. Um so we did that. Um they also were also updating some policies. So those are all know fun things. Um and then lake one one other thing that happened there's a bunch of things happened at the meeting but one thing that stuck out was Lakes Country
Service Co-op was got onetime funding a number of years ago from the state to purchase eight outfitted welding training trailers or welding trailers that or trailers that have training welders on them and then they rent them out to their various members and they
can learn how to learn uh mainly it's for schools that kids can learn how to do career in tech education. Um, so anyway, they've run out, they've basically used up their lifespan of those. So now they are donating the welders and the trailers and some some
schools are taking trailer or schools and organizations are taking trailers and some are taking welders and they're just they're donating them. So nice. Yeah, they fig Yeah. So it's kind of a that was kind of a cool thing. I never really, you know, they they could they could sell them, but they figured it would be better to to donate them to the
member or the or members of the organization. Um, and then also in July, can't remember the dates right now, is the annual service co-op state uh conference. So that's anyway, I just figured I'd mention that. Then I also
went to my first West Central Economic Development Board meeting. Um, boy, that was pretty interesting. Uh, I'd never been to one of those. I I I took it over for Erica. And anyway, so one of the one of the things they did is they gave us the year you're almanac. So if anybody
wants to look at it, look, you can dig through it. Just shows uh what they do and the people involved in the organizations and so it's kind of cool. And and then also we had the main portion of of the meeting was a discussion
um was a facilitated discussion on cons like what concerns do we have in our region? What challenges um and and what ideas can you do to make it make it better? One of the big discussions was in next July 4th and I can't I don't
know how to pronounce I don't know the exact term for it but it's this our country's 250th anniversary. So they want so they west central initiative or and which which and the economic development board want to um celebrate that. So they they're
looking for ideas and possible things that you can do in in communities to promote this and celebrate that in next July. So that was one of the big discussions and also too because because the legislature was on a um a break
before Easter um Senator Jordan Raspersonson from district 9 was there. Um he he has Ottertale uh part of part of Douglas has Grant and Traverse counties. So he he's a was a
very interesting guy. He uh seemed very supportive of of a lot of stuff that that we are interested in. But all right then my last meeting I had I had a DAC meeting. Um so at the DAC we're having an architect come in and maybe maybe
possibly even draw plans or architect building consultant. they the we want to expand the building to the south um and because we need more space. So, we're going to possibly look at the that and get some plans and some costs and so
forth. And then we were able that letter that we signed I don't know about a month ago or or approved for the swing the grants for the the swings. Um we we we applied for it. Hopefully we get it. She's we're pretty uh our executive
director is pretty excited about getting those those I can't remember the name of those either now anymore. And then we're also adding eight more employee parking spots on the north end of the building. And then there's a really bad piece of tar in
between the main garage and the and the the actual building that's going to get fixed too. Um it's getting done. The guy that's doing it is going to do it for a really good price. uh he has he has he has a son that goes to the DAC so I
think he wants it just make sure that things go go well there but anyway our employees have been parking on that street and I don't know if you know the street to the west of the DAC it's really not a very good street to park on so that I think that's a needed thing
and then uh we're also going to lease a new vehicle because we got to hire a couple more people so we need another another vehicle for them to transport for clients. And that's all I have. Anybody else have anything else for reports and
correspondence? All right, let's move on to appointments. Buffalo Red Watershed District. Well, Mr. Mr. Chair, I think I think um I have someone that's reluctantly maybe willing to serve, but um I just want to make sure that there's
there's nobody else here looking to serve in any capacity on a watershed board. Is there um the Buffalo Red WHED board is seeking an application for um for a fill in a term and
um would you Bill prefer not to speak and why don't you just come up give your name and address for for Peggy so she's got she can forward any literature for you. I did I say reluctantly
that's a big sigh. So currently Pecker County has allowed one member on the Buffalo Red River Wershed District and it has none. Um I had served in that position I think it was 85 to 2000. Can
can you state your name? Oh my name, excuse me, is Bill Steel from Callaway, Minnesota. Anyway, I'd served on there for 15 years and then uh after I left there was John Hansen was
on for 25 and then uh the the last appointment was fairly short. Um and right now you're without a member and as Barry had mentioned there's some um there's a project going on in my
area. Um, I think it it it'd be good to have some representation on the board. Um, I I don't know what we can do or or if things will change or what, but um, at this particular time, I guess I'd be
willing to serve for a period of time. I don't know how long. Not the 15 years. Not the 15 years. I I I but for the time being, yeah. Yeah. Mr. Chair, I'd move to um appoint Bill Steel as our representative for Becker
Quaning for the Buffalo Red Wershed District. Second. All right. So, we have a motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? Just to make sure it's to fill the the vacancy on our board at vacant term vacancy term on amended. Okay. Do we have any further
discussion? Okay. All just just make sure we we there's no requirements for time or we can we can reappoint as soon as possible, right? We don't have there's no time restriction or for posting and we had no other no other and I mean I think we've we've kind of
banged some doors down asking for people to and we found one but it's not not at this moment. So yeah. Yep. Well, thank you very much. Okay. So, thank you. Carrie uh and or Peggy, can we um keep like when the terms run out, when all
that information I'd like to collect that for all of our appointments going forward so we know exactly what we're dealing with with the bylaws and stuff. Okay. All right. So, we have a motion and a second. Um all in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. All right. Motion
carries. Thank you, Bill. Thank you, Bill. All right. So, next thing we have Bill, you were on the advisory board after that also, weren't you? for for a few years cuz we served on that together I think. So So then just do you want to do this one Carrie or do you want me to
then the Pelican WHED uh just information about the public? I can sit um yeah that's just on um the next appointment for um Pelican Watershed District is just on for information. So looking to appoint there's uh two seats
that will be up for reappointment and the advertisement is out there. We just um decided internally here in administration to extend that up until our next meeting. Um I know I have at least well not at least I know there's
been one person recently that's reached out that's interested in in appointment but there are two seats. So okay I just wanted to put that on your radar. So um we'll we'll put that on for um next our next meeting. Okay. And we do have two board members
from the Pelican River wershed here. Were you guys are you just observing or? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I guess uh Phil to your Chris Jin. I live in Detroit Lakes and I'm a board manager for health wershed.
And um I would uh echo Phil in that if you have any questions, there's a lot that's been going on there. Um, please reach out to us if you have any questions. I'd be more than happy to uh they're the air on that. So, Chris
Jaskin is a board member and Lori Olsen right next to they're both board members for the Pelican River Wershed of which I served before I took this position. One of the I know there are two openings and I know that Scott Busker has he's been
filling with the term that I built. Um, and he's done a wonderful job. So, I guess I would just encourage you to reappoint him. Okay. Um, let's uh move on to our county
administrator. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, just a few things to report on. I uh wanted to give a shout out. I happened across this information um on social media. the DL Buzz really talked about I don't know if any of you other others
have seen this but they really were um started with one very positive comment about our DMV and then it just kind of uh snowballed from there with uh additional positive comments about how helpful the DMV staff is and uh yeah so I thought that was really nice to see.
So, I did screenshot it and and sent it to uh the supervisor so that could make sure that they could recognize. Carrie, another shout out to um human human services. Uh my wife and her brother met with regarding a family member and just had such a good experience with our our
community health department. So, just a shout out to them saying that one of the they met on site and and had a just my wife commented how how well they interacted and how they worded things to make it just so much more acceptable.
You know, just such a good handling of this of of you know, adult of adults. We'll just leave it at that without getting into detail on but u just to thank you for for their work. Okay. I just like comment on DMV. In the last since I've been on the board in the last
two or two two and a half years, we've had a lot of positive comments about our DMV and how it's well well it's run and how how how helpful they are in there, how friendly they are. So, and that just that's great because that's a big that I mean everybody's got to go to the DMV.
It's a great thing for Becker County and for and and we mentioned to get a compliment in the time of this Real ID crisis that we're you know and actually I think it is a crisis. I mean because people will be restricted from traveling if they don't have a real ID or a
passport. So I think um uh shout out to our local staff. um wish the state I wish the state would uh get their ducks in a row in many of their ways, but um um it's it's it's a difficult time over there because that's a long process and
it's easier to get a passport than a driver's license with Paul, right? Go ahead, K. Um the other thing that was briefly referenced and I won't spend a lot of time on this because I know we'll have some um some further discussion with regards to county space, but um
there was a walkthrough of the jail and we did do the walk the prisoner walkway um with the architect and really I was looking for is just the confirmation that the jail um it is a potential to be um demoed and you know bars removed etc.
And I did find some old um feasibility studies that he did review etc. So, we it was confirmed that that can be basically gutted, bars taken out, and a third floor can be added if that's usable space that we want to look at potentially down the road for any needs
that we might have. Um, I did receive a joint letter. I don't know if any of you have seen this. You can certainly take a look at this, but I thought I found it uh noteworthy. Um it was a joint letter written by inner county association, association of Minnesota counties and
MRC um to the legislature and as well as the governor on behalf of all counties and the concerns of uh cost shifts with all of these mandates or unfunded mandates if you will and the fact that this will potentially for many counties
impact them negatively with doubledigit you know levy increases just for that portion without really even taking into consideration all of the other mandates that we have and employee wages and and uh con union contract negotiations and all of those
kinds of things. So, I do have a copy. Um it was well written um and it was sent off. It was dated uh May 1st. So, if anybody wants to see this, you can certainly take a look. Um, the last thing I have on my report is we were able to fill the assistant
veteran service officer position that was offered and accepted. Um, we may have a little bit of a delay in the start time. Uh, Tiara was negotiating that. He is still on orders and active duty um and was negotiating um leaving
on the active. So um anyway, we're getting the date down. So he will be a nice addition to that office. So we will be fully staffed. um there. So that will be very nice for our local veterans. Mr. Chair, uh Carrie, was that one of the people that was in the pool? Yes. So
they went through both of these pools as I've me and many of our pools in the county or vacancies have been very large pools and this is a very large pool and there was uh two rounds of interviews that were conducted and he was selected from the second round.
So yes, we're excited to have those positions filled and that will be very nice locally. So um the other thing that are I do have on on that's listed the first item is a resolution um
5251B and this is regarding and in your packet the former um board minutes were placed in there for reference just for memory and if you recall this board had um there was leftover grant money that was we'll say allocated or was left over
and the decision of this board was that if there were matching funds that were available for this requesttor um that we would allow for these funds to be released. Is Tammy Tammy, do you want to in case there's any questions? Tammy is here
representing I don't know if there's I'm rambling on, so there's something going on. Great job. You're doing a great job. Um so I maybe stop there. Do you want to maybe pick up and just uh reference kind of what your request is? Sure. Sure. Um I'm Tammy Anderson. I'm the childcare
project manager for Becker Pope and Ottertale. And so I'm a grant funded position through West Central Initiative. So I've been doing that for three, four years. It's all blur, but it's all all all good stuff. So yes, so what Carrie is referencing is um and so
some of you might be aware, but we started the Early Care and Development Foundation back in 2022 with some of the leftover ARPA money that was deemed for child care. and we created this fund in order to help retain and grow child care
throughout Becker County. And it's been really pretty life-changing. I don't know if I have time just to share some updates. Um, but it would be good for you just to to be aware. So, like right now in Becker, we have 56 licensed family childcare providers. Uh, three
full day year-round licensed childcare centers, one full day schooly year licensed childcare center, and four certified childcare centers. Then we have seven family childcare providers in White Earth and three licensed childcare centers. One interesting stat I want you to be aware of which is another reason
this is so important this money we're referencing is um I I reached out to this is particularly to family childcare providers just to see how long they've been in business. Um 40% have been in
business for over 20 years. 35% have been in business between 11 and 20 years, which is great. And it's amazing. We have such longevity and good quality child care. But yeah, Erica's face is yeah, eventually they're going to want to retire. So, we need to make
sure we're replacing and um retaining our younger ones, and we put in a lot of not younger ones, but the that haven't been in the business as long. So, we want to make sure that we retain them. Um so, so that's something we're watching on. So with the early care and development foundation and it's set up
with a committee of um multiple people that oversee this fund um which is a fund through West Central Initiative since that started back in 2022 um we've impacted over 400 children in
Becker five communities Ottabon Detroit Lakes Frzy Lake Park and and Agama Ogma Ogama um 40 childcare providers are awarded grants that's both family childcare and center-based. We've awarded over 30,000 in growth of
childare and over close to 30,000 in the retention of child care. Like right now, our early care and development foundation had just opened a new round yesterday. So, um, as a county, it' be great to help spread the word about that. And I know Cody Piper, who's on,
um, is doing a great job helping us spread the word. and then with what's going on with the county and that deed money that um you were able to acquire is just an added bonus. So, um that's just kind of an update. So, this money that is kind of left over that we're talking about today, we did receive
matching dollars um of $25,000 which was one of the requirements. So, our request is to um get that moved over so we can start making additional impacts for child care throughout Becker County. So, any questions and anything? Mr. Chair,
uh Tammy, you said um you have 56 licensed daycare providers in Becker County. How many infants, youth does that serve? Um well, and I I've got that in a different report. Maybe I can email it to you. I don't have that number
right in front of me. I didn't bring that. But one of the interesting questions we did ask them um the family providers of how many of you are not serving infants or toddlers and I I think it was about 25% could take more
infants could take more toddlers. Um and there were a variety of reasons that they weren't. So some like some examples were um there just takes a lot more effort and that they already had so many other kids. um if they had a helper, which maybe this fund could help, even
if it's 11 to two during the really difficult times or challenging times through meals and naps, would they take more infants and toddlers? And many of them said yes, I would do that. Um so that's one of the things our our our ECDF is exploring. How can we increase
infants and toddlers with our current providers now? And then of course growing new ones. But I can I'd be happy to email you those stats um on that little report that that we did. So yeah, that's great to hear because infants and toddlers are the largest need. I mean,
we're so short. You you hear stories of people that even before they find out they're pregnant, they're, you know, looking for slots and don't find them when the baby's born and they're ready to go back to work. So, I mean, it's it's a huge huge need. It is really throughout the
whole state. But yeah, it's interesting family planning. That's kind of one of the big, you know, indicators of can we find a place for my child. Um, and people are being very creative. A lot of grandparents driving an hour to watch their grandchildren because there is
nowhere for them to go. Um, employers saying, "Hey, we need this cuz I can't attract or retain people because there's not um child care." Um, we are exploring some um, need opportunities too with the county. I know Cody's on. I
don't if he wants to comment, but um, if any of you want to reach out and I'd be happy to come and have some further conversations with the pod models, looking for land. It looks like DE just opened up a new opportunity yesterday that looked pretty promising. Um, so we're we're trying to get ahead of some
of those opportunities. Um, looking at land, maybe putting some pods on there, but really being purposeful about it. We're a little low in preschoolers. Um there seems to be some gaps where providers don't have as many preschoolers, which is the bread and
butter of childcare centers and and uh preschool or and family childcare. So before we build a ton of things, we want to make sure it's wise and um purposeful and what we're trying to accomplish. So, but if anybody wants to have a further conversation about that um or wants to
come meet the Early Care and Development Foundation team, be happy to make that happen. So, any other questions for Tammy. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Tammy knows how to use a microphone.
The only one time I was a Feler provider and they talked about I'll make a motion to approve resolution 5251B. Okay. So, we have a motion by Erica. Do we have a second? I'll second. Second by
Richard. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. All right. Motion carries. All right. Carrie. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The next item is the Northwest region of the DNR. And I think they're all perhaps
coming in. I was wondering like where all these people. Sorry. Come on up. Yes, please. Just go ahead and say your name. Sure. Uh Ben Bergie and uh um Chairman Meyer, thank you for having us today and the rest of the board. Um as I said, my name
is Ben Bergie and I'm the regional director for Minnesota DNR. Uh fairly new to the position, so in the past you would have heard from our uh regional director, our past regional director, Terresa Evay, would have been here. So you may remember her and um I was just
recently appointed to the position in um excuse me in uh October of uh 2024. I'm joined today by several of our team both from Baiji our um and I won't go through everyone because we have quite a contingent of folks here um but our our
uh area manager or excuse me our regional managers from many of our DNR divisions and also the local staff and some of you may recognize some of the local staff because um they're involved with staff here at the county and work very closely. Um you should have had a
um handout in your packet. I'll briefly go through that. as we're here today just to um be here to know that that DNR is here to work with the county um answer any questions you may have. I know there's some things that that um I talked to the county administrator about um that you may have some questions on
not too long ago. Um and so just want to make sure that we have good lines of communication and uh know we're here as a resource. Um one of the things that I bring to this job is I like to think of DNR as your DNR. um you know internally we talk about how we work together but externally we are really here to work
within communities and that's uh what I bring to this position and an expectation um to to our teams and how they work with you and and your county government. And so just quickly here I'll go through um what we have on on the handout that you have some of the
highlights um I won't cover it all but um there's quite a bit that goes on here in Becker County. Um we have 48 aquatic management areas. Um I'll just hit some of the big ones here. Five different state forests obviously hit up on Itasa State Park. Uh PWAs are very um
prominent here with 33 wildlife management areas. Um Hunter walking trails. Um 69 miles of Granade OV trails and 321 miles of snowmobile granade trail. And so the conservation and recreation are a big part of people um
coming here, people that live here and also people that that recreate here. and DNR is happy to be a participant in that um uh ability to offer that here for people. Is this is the state trail the the H Heartland Trail? Yep. Yep. So, H Heartland State Trail obviously um
eventually will be completed all the way westward. Um segments getting done, you know, um to the east of us here. It wasn't too long ago I was at a um ribbon cutting I think over near Freze East. So, do you know how many miles that we have in Becker County on the Harland? Um I can't answer that. I can get that for
you on how many completed. I'm sure I've heard it, but I was just curious. Yeah, I can't tell you the exact. That's complete. I think that would be, you know, in a in a literature like this, we, you know, we're bragging that we have all these things. So, Yep. No, I can get that. We'll add that next time. That's a good point. Appreciate that.
Um, public lands in the county, and this may be a topic you probably will want to discuss. Um, we have uh just over 130,000 acres of DNR um managed lands here in the county, which is about 6% of the county land base. uh pill payments
for 2024 are just shy of 750,000. You can see um some of the successes over the last um last year or so since we've been here. Um and just sort of a little bit more about us, we have uh 29 full-time employees that um work here in
the county and 29 part-time or seasonal staff. Um the Straight River groundwater management project has been something um that um or the report I should say the monitoring report on the water is complete and is available on our website. And as uh Nathan Kessner, our
ecological and water resources manager told me on the way down um we continue to look at um nitrate issues and and continue to collaborate on work um related to this. Um we collaborate with the county on shoreland related regulations and decisions.
Um um our work down here, Little Man Trap Lake SNA is a new acquisition protecting 231 acres. Um that's fairly new. Uh new native prairie easement on private lands. Um and then this collaborating on with the county on different projects here. You'll see
there's one on Buck Mill Dam and then also providing some input on a shelter. Um I'm not going to go through the entire back. Um but there's quite a bit there. I don't want to read that. You can read that in your in your leisure. Um, but DNR is obviously very involved uh in in this county. Um, and
again, I want to make sure um you're aware of and uh know that we have a an open door policy, if you will. All the staff do. We're obviously here as leadership in the in the division, but I know the importance of the local staff in those relationships locally, and it's really the local staff that understand
the nuances of what's going on here. But I think it's important to have connections to leadership within the agency as well. Um and uh uh very soon after I was appointed into this position, I actually reached out to your county administrator and and uh had the good fortune to be able to meet with
her. Um and so look forward to be able to continue that relationship as we go forward and be happy to answer any questions. I know there's a few um projects that may be out there and so if I can't answer them, I'll call on someone from my team to be able to do that. Ben, uh Mr. Chair Phil Hansen. Um, an
important one to me is the Eagle Lake access. Yep. Are you familiar with it? I am. I am. And I won't say anymore. Okay. So, yep. Eagle Lake. Um, we became aware of that, uh, I'd say in the last 6 to 8 weeks or so. Um, actually I had stopped down and met with the administrator and
so, uh, DNR does have an, uh, and if there is an interest, I should say, for DNR to, uh, be involved in acquisition on that, we we are interested. We are aware that there is um some individuals that are currently may have um a
purchase agreement in place. I'm not aware of the exact details, but one thing that perhaps we could do is I'll leave a card if if some if you or someone on the board has a contact for us. I know we've been struggling to try to get a contact to get involved, but um just met yesterday with uh agency
leadership folks I work with. Um, and we definitely have a if there is a a willingness of the parties involved, we definitely have an interest there. And if the board would support that, um, we are we are ready to get involved in that conversation. I it's good to hear. I'm
thankful that you're help us with the county facilitate that and I like your card. Good. Afterwards. Excellent. I think the the people that are looking to purchase it, I mean, they want to keep it as a public asset. So, I mean, that that's the good news. So, yeah. Let me speak to that just a little bit. So,
I've haven't been on site. I may try to actually get by there today. I've looked at aerials of it and staff have been there, but I I believe there's u more than just a public water access there. There's probably some playground material and such. I will say that our interest would be in maintaining it as a public water access. Um maintaining a
park like facility there would not be within sort of the the scope of our public water access program. Collaboration between the county absolutely managing some of those. we can figure that out. And and again, a great point. We really rely on working together to
figure these things out. And we do have some great partnerships there. And if you can get over to see it, I have pictures on my iPad. Excellent. I think I sent you. I have them. That's how I knew what was there. Miss Mr. Chair and Ben, congratulations. Cong congratulations on your position and uh
welcome to Becker County. Um just a what is the difference between the AMAs and the SNAs? Sure. So an AMA is an aquatic management area uh managed through our um fish and wildlife division generally provide um habitat protection along
shorelines. Um protect that for you know the uh aquatic species um that may use those shorelines for different purposes. Um also provide some terrestrial protection along those obviously for benefits. And our state natural areas are actually our most special ecosystem
types across the state managed through our ecological and water uh division uh uh eco waters. And uh those places um are like I said some of the most special unique um resources that we have in the state and and uh managed for um those
purposes. Obviously not uh a lot different than a state park when we think of them. There's not parking lots and trails. Um they're obviously open. um they're public lands but they are extremely in a lot of cases sensitive ecosystems and plants and and other communities there that we look to
protect that provide the overall sort of balance of our ecosystem. So AMAs you more you are more more accessible or you promote more accessible on an AMA than an SNA. Uh depending on the AMA. Okay. Yep. I would say depending on the AMA.
Yeah. Um, one thing I think this board in the past anyway has always supported the the AMA job AMAs that have come through because I think we recognize the importance of of natural areas on lakes if we you know it's it's not it's it's
just it's just healthy for the lake and it it makes our aesthetic so much better if you have natural lakes natural portions on the lake. So, thank thank the DNR for doing those projects. So, we've um I in my tenure here, I don't think the relationships have been really
so good that I don't think there's been a a purchase or a project that you brought to this board that we haven't improved. I I think and I've been on now 20 years, but I think that goes to say, you know, what this board is, you know, you have an idea where this board is, what they're thinking, and and the
working and and discussing projects prior to bringing them here, I think, is the key to having that success and and collaboration. Yeah, absolutely. Early coordination is is good no matter what the project is, but I do think it it it also deserves a shout out to the county staff and also to our local DNR staff
that doesn't, you know, that's that's where those relationships start. So, I do just want to give a shout out to those folks. Um, absolutely. Thanks for all the work they do. Does anybody else have any questions for Ben? Well, I I just want to want to say the the Bucks Mills project I think is
is kind of I think and there's I'm sure there's people that don't like it, but I think it's a a feather in the hat of both the both the DNR and the county working to get that out and then creating that new uh stream bed um for fish migration. And I think it's going
to be a beautiful site to to go out and visit, you know, absolutely when it's done. So, I just want to thank all of you guys that are here for all the things you've done. Mr. Chair, could we have since they came down and took the time to Could we have you introduce yourselves
and tell us what you're Yeah, please. That would be great. I guess I'll start. I'm a local here out of Detroit Lakes. I'm a assistant uh forestry manager. Been here for a long long time,
but local guy. Good morning. Cheryl Kelly. I'm the assistant director for the division of lands and mineral stations in Bumiji. Our team uh does all things licenses, easements, leases, acquisitions. Um my
staff covers those types of items. We assist our other divisions in their needs with trespass issues or just problem resolution. Rob Bton. I'm the area wildlife supervisor here in the trailer. Recognize quite a few of you. I deal
with all the wildlife management areas that we have in western Rebecca County and this time of year a lot of depradation a lot of e issues and morning my name is Nathan Kesner. I'm the northwest regional manager with the division of ecological and water
resources. Uh so the programs that come to mind that would be of most interest to you would likely be things like shoreland regulation um public waters permitting groundwater permitting things like feed lots irrigation straight river groundwater
management area. We also oversee the SNA the scientific and natural areas program prairie banks um and last but not least invasive species. our staff work very closely hand in hand across all those
different programs. Thanks for having us. Really happy to be here. Thank you. Good morning. I'm Mark Walupi. I'm with the regional fisheries program and uh I would supervis your local area contact and uh
we're trying to make uh sustain and improve fishing for Becker County and uh as you mentioned the the aquatic management areas. Thank you for your support of those over the years and and technical support to for projects like the Bucks Milk Dam renovation. So things
like that. Thank you. I'm Eric Carson. I'm the area wild supervisor here at Basin Park Rapids and we handle the eastern half of the county. We population surveys. Um we maintain walking trails and hills state
forest coordinated forestry on vegetation management. Um and then I have a lot of just like who cares chairman if you wouldn't mind I do have one topic one more back here you got one more sorry then the executive
assistant thanks Mary Beth couldn't see you back there you're going to have to um you're going to have to make amends there I am I am I couldn't see her back there so thank you um Mr. Mr. Chairman, if you wouldn't mind, I do have one topic I do want to bring up that I failed to I was probably
going to ask about it. So, go ahead. Um, and that topic is the Heritage Forest Project. Um, and um, this the need to be able to bring uh, closure to the work that we've been doing. So, as most of you are probably aware, uh, DNR has been in uh, involved in this project looking at lands um, not just here in the
county, but across um, many counties. And here in in Becker County, there's 200 acres um, that had had been through uh, actually through and in front of the board before. uh for um um I'll say preliminary approval for DNR to acquire through this process and these are
potlatch lands that the conservation had acquired and and I believe there was a actual letter of support that um um that we had received regarding this in the past. We do need at some point here in the near future to get a official board
resolution to approve this action. Not today. Um, but Kent behind me from forestry at some point will probably be back before you and perhaps um we can um coordinate with um uh administrator Smith on this um to get that back. Mr. Chair, we did that a month ago, didn't
we? The pot latch stuff I saw. No, that was different. That was different. Oh, okay. That was out in Eastern. It was. Mr. Chair, I think Well, the topic that I was going to talk about has some relationship to this. What are we going to what are we going to do about the PIL
payments? Um, in the governor's proposal, it's significant cuts and and this I mean we get promised these purchase these lands and these PIL payments will keep coming and now we're talking a what a possible quarter million dollar loss of revenue and and we're supposed to we're supposed to
supplement that out of our taxpayers. So, I mean, it's a big concern and I think the governor's slashing of these programs is going to come back to these type of discussions saying we can't afford to pay your guys' property tax. No, I
appreciate the question. And Barry, give him a break. We want him to come back. No, no, I appreciate the question. And if we have any more specific questions, we are lucky to have uh as Sherley Cheryl Kelly Doby introduced herself, but I can speak to this in general. So, I think it's important to know that this
was part of the governor's budget. Um, and I will say it was not proposed by DNR, but obviously part of the uh governor's proposed budget. Um, understanding and appreciate um your comments uh what it means here locally. And again, I I like to think of uh our
DNR staff here in the region as being part of your community and understanding the needs. And so, um you're not um the first person to share these comments with us. And so we have these conversations um as as we go back and talk to our teams of folks as well. Um at this point I just want to reiterate
it was in the proposed budget. Um obviously many of you understand government process but I think there's a lot of folks out there that don't and so when they see that they automatically think well this has already been approved. Um I have no insight greater than all of you do but I can tell you from things I've seen I have not seen
sort of any traction for that anywhere. But again, I'm not part of the legislature, nor do I can make any future forecasting. But I think, you know, the important thing is for you all to stay informed and watch what's going on. But again, I just I have not seen anything that that shows considerable traction for that moving forward. I
appreciate that and I but I think if we don't mention it and you'd bring it back to Bob Meyer and Sarah Strowman and say, um, yeah, they didn't they don't care. um this the these cuts, these type of things should not be on the table. When when the state comes in and and says
this is the PILT payment, these are the things that we long-term promote these these type of relationships. These should not be on the table. That's my point. Well, I appreciate that. And I will say I like to be very transparent. Just on the way down, I was talking with a few of the folks that came down from Baiji and um you know, even if this
doesn't pass this time, right? If this goes no further, this still now in the question in our mind. So when when our staff comes here and talks about future land acquisitions, it'll always be in your mind to say, "Well, hey, I remember in in in 2025 when it was in a proposed
budget." And so uh appreciate and we understand those the the consequences of this and um you know we won't be we will expect that conversation to continue as we come here in the future and talk about any future land acquisitions is this will have a consequence moving
forward. So thank you. Yeah, actually uh was discussed back in um Tim Palante's era also. Mhm. And you you realize that these aren't guaranteed funds and and what is the best interest for long term
for so the projects have to be superior to get approval and we completely respect that. We have a really uh what I feel is a really good process. We call it our slam proc process. Um and we really take a look to make sure that the
state is only ma looking to invest in the most needed or strategic ways um across the landscape because we understand there has to be a balance of public lands and also private lands that obviously help uh with the economics that drive uh and support our communities but also recognizing that
public lands also drive people to live and recreate in areas as well. And we look to work with you on finding that right right mix for your county. Thank you. and and a couple other local local people. Roger's not in the audience today and uh uh Mandy, I don't see Mandy
out here, but uh uh we have good relationship. They both come to meetings for for us locally and work through some of our ordinances and and watershed concerns. So, so thank you. Thank you staff for being here. Yes. Thank you. Does anything else? Anybody else have anything? No. All
right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I think all of you. Thank you. All right, let's move on. Carrie, we have we we did number four. So, let's Yes. Number five. So, number five, I believe Mr. Schlaughterhoff is here to
speak to this issue. [Music] Good morning, commissioners. Uh, Miss Administrator, uh, I sent you the packet. I'm Mike Ingram. I uh do I have to state the address and everything? Yes. Yeah. 18847230th Avenue, Detroit Lakes,
Minnesota. Um before putting myself on the agenda, I did speak with Commissioner Barber. He referenced this issue. Um am I on a time limit because it's kind of a lengthy discussion. Um I'll try to be as brief as I can. We have lunch. Okay. We won't get you to
there. Uh I want to go to work myself today. Anyways, um uh we went to move the property that my grandparents put in the children's name to the grandchildren and we want to do a trust, but when we came to do that, it was determined that
there was no recorded easement to the property. So, that's what I'm here for because the easement was is uh Township Road 245th Avenue, which I did supply some documents, which is this road with the minimum maintenance sign posted on
it. Um, back in 1990, the county acquired Dave Early's property uh when No, can you give me some idea of where this is at? Oh, sure. The landfield. Uh, section 17 Detroit Township off the edge of the landfill,
Phil. Okay. Um, so and I'll I'll try to get through this. So the landfill started leeching polluted waters in the late 80s and Dave Early's property which the county acquired in 1990 which I included a quick claim deed there from um was adjacent to the property here on
the left side. If you look to the left of the road, that was Dave Early's property. When the county acquired that property in 1990, uh the two tenants left on this township road was the Schlaughterhoffs, my grandparents at that time, and the
county. The county was then moving forward with the pollution control to do a super fund removal of the trash, line this, and then re reput the trash back process. So the county and the pollution control came to the slaughter house with
agreement that I did attach which was drafted by the county attorney Jim Sinclair in 1993. This document and and we agreed to it with the agreements not of vacating but barricading the road which has been done since 1993. The agreement has never been
recorded. So we have no recording of such access even though we've had uh gated access to this property on 245th Avenue which still maintains the minimum maintenance road status with the township. So, I'm basically coming here
to say, can we properly file this agreement that we agreed to back in 93 and then file it with the township? So, we we're all on board that we agree that it can be barricaded by the gate with the understanding that the Schlaughterhoff family will continue to
have access to the property in the southeast corner of section 17, which is spelled out in this document, which has been going on for 32 years. So, so that's why I'm here is we just need some recording and wondering if we can move forward with that. Um, which
was started back actually by the county. Um, the township records back in 93 show Jack Murray was at the township board talked about this, but no motion was carried. No motion was made. Uh, my grandpa Wesley was at that at that time and uh and my uncle Dan Schlottoff who's
here with me today. Um I'm heading up the trust side of things which we're already moving the property from the the children to the grandchildren process when this arrived on our plate that uh there's nothing been recorded. So that's why I'm asking us to just basically go
through that agreement and uh and we can leave everything as be is what's been going on for the last 32 years just at the fact that it's recorded. Well, I guess I think we need to con contact our attorney and ask him to review it. Um, make sure. But I I
noticed I can say to you, sir, that I did stop in at Brian's office. The last civil document that he has in his record filing system is 20 uh 2003. He does not have this document. Um, I already stopped there. Well, I mean, I'm not
going to authorize any I mean, I can't we're not going to vote on anything here today to give you authority. I mean, we have to do our homework and research this also. Um, I did notice that it wasn't the wasn't notorized document that you the fi is that the filing document wasn't signed by yours and wasn't notorized. Is that that was a
working draft cop copy of Jim Sinclair's document and what the agreement was is that we had agreed to barricading it, which is talked about in the Detroit Township meeting minutes, but it was never motioned upon there or carried there either. So,
we got to do whatever we can to help these guys get this moving, Barry. I mean, we I I talked to him about that draft, and this is not the first thing that wasn't followed through by Becker County. We have I've seen other things that are partially done here. And this
obviously didn't get done. They all have keys. They've had How many How many keys are out there to get in that gate? 15 to 20 because the grand kids have keys and the and the and the kids have keys. It is a township road still. Yes. Um and it's in our interest to keep that
gate closed. So whatever I I want to do whatever whatever this board can do to help these guys get this process handled because it is the right thing to do. We I watched it all happen. I grew up out there. I watched I I remember when Dave
and Bonnie lived there and well the issue is I mean I think the other four of us are kind of this is our first knowledge of it. So I mean it's going to take us a little bit just to digest it and and I and I have done check with our people and make sure
what we know what we're doing is right. I don't have any problem giving you access to your property but we have to go through our process. Well, I'm glad that you don't because we've done it for 32 years, but you know, I'm just being I'm being nice about it. You've been on the board for 20, Barry. I I just feel
that in turn that the shortcoming of filing this document back in 93 and recording it properly. Nothing else has changed. And and I I agree with what Barry said. I don't think anybody here is saying we we don't want to. We just need to make sure that we have all our
eyes dotted and tees crossed to make sure that I this is kind of a Greek language to me. So I can't like I can't interpret it well with that's why we have you know county attorneys to make sure that you know give us advice on it's your county
attorney that drafted it in 93 not our current one. Well, right, but in turn, he's the one that drafted this and came to us as the county at that time to agree with the Schlatterhoffs to gate this. It was a county proposal. Mhm. But now it's not recorded. Mr.
Chair, if I may, um, there was a suggestion by our county attorney once you're done speaking here to stop up in his office and he'll take copies of everything. It sounds to me like he has copies already. I already gave him copies. Oh, he just sent a message. So, Oh, no. I left copies with the secretary
before Uh okay. So maybe he's not aware that he hasn't seen those. Okay. So it sounds like a process that's was started and not finished. We just need to and I can certainly um before you leave I would like uh contact information from you by me. I submitted my contact info on the
email that I sent you. Okay. Got it. So then I would have that letter has all my info. Okay. So I I think outside of the board we can um and I can also communicate with the county attorney and just figure out where the process kind of stopped. Yeah. And then and then can we have this
on the agenda for absolutely in that date? Yes. Or in two weeks. Mr. Chair, I don't know if this needs to come back to us. That's what I'm wondering if it's appropriate. I don't I mean I I don't know that it needs to come back. I can certainly provide you an update. Just just an update in your report. I don't
think it needs to come back. If it deems that it's not necessary to come back, I don't think it needs to. But if there's something that says we need to clarify or lock it in, then then we can do that. And I have no problems doing that. But what will be the point of contact if I need to return? You will contact me.
Yes. Yep. Thank you. And I don't I mean unless we find an issue, I don't think you need to come back. I I don't think there's an issue. We just have to make sure we know what we're going to do and how we're going to do it. That's No, you know what we're going to do, but I don't but like I said, I don't believe it needs to come back to us. No, and if and
if it does, we'll let you know. Yeah, I I assume after the agreement's made, we'll we'll need to participate with the township and record it there because it's their road that we've agreed to barricade, right? And correct. And so in turn, I don't know if Richard, that'd be something that you would represent, but
I would assume it'd be my side to represent from the Schlotter house and that township, Dan knows them well. They're easy to work with, but I can get I can help you with that, too. So, just trying to move things forward because we've stalled at the at the legal office with this hiccup. So, okay. Yeah, that
that legal those legal offices with trust. I mean, we're I'm dealing one with my mother and it's it's it's for it's it's slow as a as you can get to get anything done. So, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. That's
all I have. Okay, sounds good. Thanks, K. All right, let's move on to Mary. Do we have a break scheduled at all? We have a break. I need I forgot my bottle of water. I need a Could I Can I run and get a water? Do you have a water in the office? I I'll go get him. She's got
Mary. I thought I had a bottle with me. We'll just wait, Mary, for Peggy went to get you. So, I was going to say this is going to be fast. Yeah, but we will we have a break scheduled for about in about 15 minutes.
Thank you. Thank you. Saved. All right, Mary. Okay. I am here today to request to set a public hearing for an offsell liquor license for Labella Restaurant LLC doing business at doing business as
sustanies. Um, we're proposing May 20th board meeting 9:00 a.m. and it's up to this board to set we will be notifying the um other liquor license holders in the area. We did do a
public hearing for the previous owner who built, but with every sale, it is required by statute to hold a public hearing for a new owner. We will ask Mr. Herman to be at the next meeting. Is this the one we did last year? Yes. Yeah. Well, this is is it it's a new
owner. Oh, so it's sold and then Okay. What um what page are we on on the page uh 62? So, do you need a We need a motion to set the public hearing at 9 a.m. at our next board next board meeting at 9:00
a.m. So, do we have a motion to uh approve or to set the public hearing for the La Bella Restaurant LLC doing business as Swan uh Swanies SAS Swan Sen Swanies James Herman's owner. Do we have
a motion to approve? Mr. Chair, just a clarification. Yeah, I can't say the words, but this isn't necessarily a new owner. It's a new manager or a new operator. No, it's my understanding. Um, he's signing as the owner. The owner of the business, but not necessarily the
property. Is that correct? That Yeah. So, it's not I mean I So, I mean, I don't know which one way or the other, but I'm It's a new business operating at this site. It might not be Okay. a new business operating it. Yeah. So, it just might not be a might be a rented or
owned. We don't know that and that's not relevant, but I just I don't know that it's sold, but it's a new business going into that same facility. Okay. So, we may not need to have the public hearing. No, we do have offsell licenses require public hearing every time there's a name
change. All right. So, we need a motion to approve the public hearing for the off sale liquor license at at uh 9:00 a.m. on May 9 a.m. on May. So, moved. Second. All right. Do we have we have a motion second? Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All those in
favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed. All right. Motion carries. I certainly appreciate this water. Thank you. All right. Tier human resources. Good morning, commissioners. The first item uh Commissioner Nelson had made
slight reference to because it did go through well, you didn't go into depth. Well, you're coming out here. I um it did go through courthouse committee. So, this is the current policy with adjustments to include more
information on how we are setting veterans preference for recruitment. Um, previously we had not been setting the criteria for interviews prior to uh getting applicants and after I attended a training a few weeks ago, it was
discovered that we should be setting that criteria prior to actually getting applicants for an opening. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion to approve the new language in our recruitment policy. All right, we have a mo it's
it's 4.0 0 in the um uh personnel policy. Yes. So, do we have a motion and do we have a second? I'll second. So, we have a motion and second. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. All right. Motion
carries. All right. Next one. The second item that I have here is the AI policy. This is a new policy to the county. Obviously, we've we've all heard about AI. We've all known that it's coming, but we haven't had a policy in place till yet. Uh this is in uh working with
the IT director to come up with the policy. It did go to the courthouse committee as well. I think Judy is is AI. Yeah, Judy is at artificial intelligence. Just kidding, Judy. Um I'll make them.
And I I think this document is as we have all been AI. Um page uh we're going to have to modify this as we go because we're we're learning AI as we go. We should write have AI write a document. We probably should have AI write the policy. I'll I'll make a motion to
approve the AI policy for our employee handbook. All right. We have a motion to approve the AI policy. Do we have a second? Second. All right. A motion second. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I.
I. I. All right. Motion carries. The third item that I have in front of you is a revision to the uh career ladder policy that was before you probably close to a month ago. um during
trying to implement the career ladders and and doing this, it was discovered that the way that the policy was written did only allow for in some cases 29 24 cent increases for what should be considered a promotion. So, with this
adjustment, it did go through courthouse committee and we pretty heavily discussed it in courthouse committee and put out the number of allowing at least a 1.5% increase with what we currently had in place of of how to make that
move. It also went to finance yesterday and there was a little further discussion on what should be done. Um it's the wordage is kind of difficult and I think Carrie's Carrie's managing the wording as we move forward. Um I think what we'd ask today is um approval
of the premise of a of a 1.5% when you when you have a l a career ladder change um at at minimum. Yeah. Um and so most of the times it does not trigger that. But in those cases where it where the transfer is, I think we want to
acknowledge that when you get a promotion, you should get a wage wage increase with that. Yeah. So So yeah, the wording was a little is is one 1.5% is that like a minimum or is it in addition to that's the minimum one and a
half% with a step raise like so I think that's where it gets confusing. So, so when you move into the new grade, if you don't get a one and a half% raise from what you were making before, you will get another step. Well, no, from what
you you you get your step before you go in and then if you when you go in, if that isn't one one and a half% higher than what you would have been making. Yes. You made it so much there. Yeah, I made it really I understand it here. I just can't speak at all, but that's which is why it's hard to put it on
paper. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Um, so the language, so when you get the promotion, you you drop to the other grade or go up. You go up. Yeah. You get you get demoted. But if they're if that wage if you're going back in steps or lanes, your wage might not be
any different. And this this is a security blanket that tells us you will at least get a 1.5% increase in your wage. So Mr. chair. So, so this is only for grade, not step. So, this is for the
career ladder. So, a career ladder would be I mean you guys spent a lot of time there a lot of numbers in here. I wasn't part of this but but you're saying for like from go to one to two or two to three or so one example in in what you have in front of you would be the IT
analyst one which is a grade eight. Then a career ladder would be for the IT analyst 2 which would be going to a grade nine. There's in the assessor's office there is so then they would be going backwards in lanes though. Okay. Steps. Steps. Steps. So when you get
that promotion you go back in steps to your where your dollar amount is your hourly whatever the closest step is without going back within a few cents. Then you're not really getting a raise to your higher job. So you've changed grades with little with no money with no
wage. Okay. So we're just trying to guarantee and recognize. So, we're setting a minimum that if you don't increase your wage by at least a percent and a half, then you're going to get another step to make sure that it's more than one and a half%. So, if they go up
to 8 to nine, like you said, and you give them one and a half% increase, which is more than is on this sheet here, what do you do for the next We're not giving it lane, what do you call lane shifts or steps? So when a person is taking a career ladder position,
their anniversary date is changing to whatever that effective date is. So they could have, let's say, for an example, they're going to be making this shift in April. Their regularly scheduled anniversary was in August. So their anniversary ch is changing to April. So
they receive a step on the current grade that they're on, then move into the next grade at the next closest step without going backwards. And if that does not allow at least a 1.5% increase, they would get an additional step on the new
grade. Told you it was easy. Where did we get the one and a half% from? That was minimum. That was through the courthouse. We looked at 1% and we looked at 2% and we settled on 1.5. Yeah.
Do you want me to Does this work? Yes. All right. Do you want to? No. Fine. I it but anyway um what was discussed then we make a motion to approve the the premise of a minimum 1.5%
um increase as proposed and the the wordage will be word smith when we have some more guidance from other counties or or um David drown correct so yep all right so is that your motion I will make the motion do we have a second
I'll second okay so we have a motion and a second do we have any further discussion Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I oppose. Motion carries. Mr. Chair made the motion. Um Barry made the motion. Erica second it. No. Phil second. Phil seconded. Sorry. I'm sorry.
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. All right. Jim. Hello Jim. Morning. Morning commissioners. Morning Jim. A couple items for your approval today. First one is a a bid award
uh for county safety project for rumble strips. Um we had two biders on the project. We'll bid to all state pavement $49,424.20 under our engineers estimate at
57%. I'll explain that a little bit. Typically when we do these applications were done like three years ago or more and at that time we were probably looking at what the pricing was at that time. So your equipment gets
better and more efficient. So that's why how many miles of roads will that get us rumble strips on in the county? Uh the roads that we selected is all of uh county road 37 and all 58 to 44 up to two inlets and 26 from 34.
How many miles estimate? Oh, I'm going to guess about 40 miles. I'll move to approve resolution 5251D. All right. Do we have a motion to approve 1D? Do we have a second? I'll second. We have a second. Do we have any further discussion? Mr. Joe, just some
discussion that reiterate this is a state safety grant. Um Jim Jim, you mentioned something in finance that correct. Uh it's a state s or federal safety grant. Um and our engineers estimate was plugged in. So that money
was secured for us. Um that extra, you know, 57% or whatever. Uh so there's a balance there that they're going to hold and wait until we open our bids on our our lighting project which funded by
the same pot of money. So if that one happens to go over then we can transfer some of those and we don't give back this money unless other district. So we have so if there's an overage on safety issues in our next project that
we could use that cover lot of money. How how of how long can that does that go for? How long can they hold? Can we hold the money? Uh well we're opening bids on that here uh at the end of the month. So you'll be approving that. No, but how long would will it will they hold that extra money from this project?
Like how what is there a time? Five years. Five years, two years. Oh, yeah. This money is good to deliver the project. Well, it's set for delivery in this year and we can like two or three years to complete all. Okay. But would the money from the federal grant
remaining the remaining funds be available for two years or just for one year? Uh, I think they'll just hold them until we we see what we need the one year. And if it's if we're hungry on that one too, they would probably look at our next project, which would be our
striping, you know, our district-wide striping we are administering and they like it for that just so they can keep it in. Okay. If we can't expend it all, then we can share it with other districts that So there's really no set timeline. They just kind of want to keep want you to keep it as
long as you can to get to use it. Okay. They always try. They don't never want to give money back to Washington. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Appropriate. All right. So, we have a motion and a second for resolution 1D. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify
by saying I. I. All right. Motion carries. All right. Jim. Uh, next item is approval of a mind grant agreement. Um, county was awarded a $500,000 grant to assist our uh, funding our project in the city of Lake Park. So, sustain most
of the sidewalk work and the striping of a bike lane and other safety improvements, ADA improvements, uh, and then the remainder of that fund, our construction fund being with our state aid funds. But uh this is just
lays out the uh the process and what's needed to do to uh you know get that grant funds paid for this project. State essentially is passing this money through to us and this is the terms and conditions on how to do that
reimbursement. Thank you. Um want to shout out to Jim. I mean, Jim Jim does his job so well and so so um quietly that we just we just take for granted how well that you do your job, Jim. And uh just to thank you and and um with that, I'll make a motion
to approve resolution 1E. All right. Do we have a motion? Do you have a second? I'll second. Second by Erica. Do we have any further discussion? All right. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. Oppos. Motion carries. I I want to reiterate that. I'll piggyback on that. I we appreciate everything you
do and we don't really realize it all the time all the work you put in and all the things you do. Well, I want to share one more. You can give me another asking for pass, but this is pretty significant. Our Westlake drive project next year, it's a large project.
It's near $6 million in just construction funds. We've been successful. The city for the trail like 500,000. We got a also applied we got a what they call the local road
improvement which is $1.5 million for you know kind of the road part of it. Um then we also just recently applied for a storm water grant through the PCA. This is uh we had $35
million in grant funds to uh uh supplement like aging storm water systems to promote resiliency and climate change and and increase capacity. If you recall in the first phase of the project, we built those
underwater chambers to store well there was no storm sewer in that portion of the project. It all kind of depends in the lake and that was kind of a big thing. We went collect the storm seed when the lake but so we um applied for
here and uh pretty much to ask for everything on it and we were successful. We received uh just got notified 2.8 million. Nice. Good job. Wow. Yes. Although we've we've already done a lot
of the engineering work and stuff which would not be eligible now, but it will pay for every once this agreement is approved and signed, it will set to a date for all our storm sewer constructions. Engineering work to construct that.
Good. There's your extra pat on the back. Good job. Well, thank you. Apex did a lot of the technical work. Congratulations to Apex, but it takes the county people to give them the information and get them in the path to to do it. So, um, thank you and your
staff at at highway. I mean, um, that's it's that's remarkable. So, yep. All right. Thanks, Jim. Thanks, Jim. One last thing, Jim. Um high uh road road restrictions are off. Road restrictions came off um last Friday. Okay.
Construction and started up on 34 and it's going well. Um you also know drive down 10 of the grading work on trail has begun mass grading all the way down to dock
there. So that one is be completed by early June. Same with all of our overlay projects hopefully be by early June. We're having a construction pre-construction meeting now for the grade widening on seven. So that's going
to start shortly. And then the other project with this grant that you just approved uh we need to meet and get the timing of that property. But hopefully we get started early and complete everything early. Nice. All right. Thanks Jim. Thanks Jim. We
will take a fiveminut break. So, if we could could come back together, we'll resume our meeting. Okay. Are you is everybody ready? We're ready. We are ready to keep going. So, we'll go right up next with
uh Mr. Steve Skoo for our land use environmental services and Mitch Lundine. Morning. Morning. Good morning. This morning we got a number of items for parks and rectory
environmental services to go through. Uh thank you for approving those things that are on the consent agenda. Uh the first one for parks and wreck is resolution 05251C. It's basically we're going to funnel
some money through us through the county to go to the uh Forest Rider snowmobile club to a grant to build a bridge. Mr. Mr. Chair, I was just going to say, you know, this is just like the just like the state funds that come through
us. We're a pass through on this. Um, did you have something to add? Yeah, I just want to correct it. I I don't think there'll be actual pass through funds that come through the county that it's just a letter of support through a resolution to the local uh snowmobile club and Hubard County that are applying
for a state federal grant. So, it's just because it because the bridge that the they want to install uh lands in Becker County. um they just wanted support and approval through that process. So no actual funds will be okay. Motion to approve 1 C. So we have a motion to
approve 1 C to second by Phil. Any further discussion? All right. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. All right. Motion carries. Next item is a trail routing study proposal. Uh we got some money from public uh partnership partnership for
health and we solicited from three different firms the to do a study. After looking at their proposals uh staff looked at them and recommendation is to go with Houston engineering to complete a trail bike
trail routing study from Dun Locks down towards Sharm and then uh 964. So then the partnership for health is funding 15 15,000. Okay. Then and Lake View Township is going to they said they
would donate up to 2,000. My recommendation is just to split that up equal. Okay. I don't remember it that way. Steve, I remember them saying up to a thousand. I asked them. John called me on that. Okay. All right then. Go with it. Um Steve, one one question here. Why did we not take the low bid? Was there
something? Well, just looking at the completeness of the application and their definition of what their deliverables were, it was much clearer in the Houston in my opinion. Okay. And these are quotes. So, because professional services aren't required to go with low quote. No, but um it was and
Jim Olsen was in the discussion too and and they came back with a recommendation to go with Houston. So, that we did ask that in committee also. Okay. Go with their recommendation. All right. Do we have a motion to approve? I'll move to approve that grant study. Motion by Phil
and we have a second. I'll second and u that the request was to from Houston engineering for 19964 if that's okay with Yep. Is that a given? Yes. All right. So we have a motion to second. We have any further discussion? I will I will say they they were they said that all firms all those firms are would be
more than adequate. They just they had to pick one and um they picked Houston because of a couple other tangible things in there. So all in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. All right. Motion carries. Okay. Next one. Uh gravel aggregate fee
increase. Uh it's been many years since we've increased the what we charge for pit run gravel from our gravel pits. And this is just to update that. What do we annually how many tons or cubic like guesstimate
truck loads? I don't care how much. Maybe once a year we do a gravel. It's been a while, but it can range. It can be a couple truckloads, maybe 20, 30 yards or could be up to 100. Um, but it's it doesn't happen too often. So, just to have that um updated when it
does. Do we ever use that trade out or do we ever use it as tradeout for something or can you do that as a trade out? Is that not I don't think you could trade I mean I don't know. township has done that before. I don't know what you could Okay. All right. But not much is what the answer
is. Okay. Pretty low volume. Yep. I mean, I think if a township wanted some I think you know there's but a private individual I don't know if you what you Yep. What happens up there is occasionally you get contractors that are working up in that area and they
might want to lower here or there because it's close. Because it's close. Yep. I'll move to approve the gra gravel aggregate fee increase on from tax for lands. Second from one cubic yard to three. Yeah. Or for from
$1 per cubic yard to proposed as proposed. There you go. All right. All a motion second. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. All right. Motion carries. Um Mr. Chair, please second that. Um very seconded. And one of the things with we wanted to there is some
language in there that will bring it back if it's a a big project going. So we will review it more in detail if a big project comes through to um a road project. So we have that authority to allow it if needed or appropriate I
guess. Missing timber scale ticket policy. Do you want Yeah. Just uh back background on scale tickets. every uh so every Becker County tax for uh logging site has a box out there that counts for every load. So a chain of custody from
from the when the wood leaves the site to the consumer whether it be a mill or um whether it's whether it's going to a consumer mill that's certified scaled or if our onsite if our foresters aren't scaling it. Um, we require a skill
ticket be put into the box so um, we know where the wood is at at all times and where it's going. Sometimes these books or tickets will go missing. Um, and in the 1993 policy, it's just it's undefined. It's unclear. It just
says it's up to the natural resources administrator. So, by putting this into effect, um it gives us this rarely ever happens again, but there's some sort of number that's in place. So, um if a missing ticket goes out, um we're able
to charge the logger permit holder for that. So, again, rarely happens, but it's it's something that Mr. Chair Mitch, I think there used to be a lot of theft with timber sales. People take loads out and they wouldn't know about it. But nowadays that doesn't I mean you go back
to how much timber they they got at the mill and you can backtrack that. Does that happen or do you do that to make sure? So we can track by when what I'm saying is a $10 for a missing ticket. Heck if I got a if I took a trailer load
and was missing a ticket. I'd do that every day if I was a true thief. Yeah. So does it does $10 matter? No. And it researches other county land departments and the DNR. DNR does $50 for per book. So, it's little to nothing. Um, you're
right. I mean, if someone wanted to and they got caught, they they'd be done. I mean, that's timber timber trespass and different laws will apply for that. Um, but this is um loggers have they rent out or you know, subcontract uh different truck drivers and it gets kind
of messy. So when that happens, we we don't want to see that um timber trespass, but it's something. Um other counties as well do $10 per ticket or $50 a book. So So I have a question. What if let's say a ticket goes missing? What do you what what Now obviously you're going to pay 10 they're going to
pay a fine or a fee? But what do they have to make another ticket? Do they or what do you do? If a ticket goes missing, how would you know? How would you know? Yeah. Well, it didn't come with the book. Well, they reconcile numbered in there. If they're shi shipping out pulp, they'll get scale
tickets back from where they delivered it to. They got to reconcile. So there's a record of it somewhere else. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha. It's kind of like when you haul feed or corn to the I guess the problem would be if there was no record of the ticket, then the lumber went somewhere else where it was supposed to
go. Could have potentially. Potentially. Yeah. Okay. Do we have do any do we have a motion to approve uh the new the missing tim timber sale ticket policy? I'll make a motion to approve. All right. Motion by Richard. Do we have
a second? Second. Second by Barry. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. All right. Opposed. All right. Motion. Mitch. How are our timber sales going? I mean, is that we have a new forester along with you? I mean, are we ramping that up? And yeah, we just had our last
timber auction last Friday. We sold 15 out of 15 tracks, which is really good to see. Um, I think it was a pray or bid up value of $228,000. So, um, that's good. That's on track for what we're looking for. So, how are our roads coming into these
where these timber things are? I mean, we're making up those roads, which our snowmobile trails in the winter time. I mean, and we've got a program now to keep them all up, putting culverts in. I mean, that's all working. Yeah. Going to continue. Hopefully things we get a
drier summer and we can get the activities done out there. Got another set of forest roads that we're going to continue to work on. So, um hopefully do a better job than I did last year to keep contractors moving. Uh they were getting pulled other jobs that uh
weren't a priority. So, or you know, county forest roads didn't take precedent in that case. I'd like to take a ride out there sometime with you and just see all that as it's happening because I I just I only make in my mind what I picture. I'd like to see it sometime if that ever works out. Maybe we'll take one of the fleet cars out
here. I I would like to note too that Mitch is working with the white with the tribal um foresters through all these sales and and I think that collaboration has helped us a lot in the relationship. So, um, thanks for for doing that. And
again, uh, Richard said it in in earlier that these, uh, these meetings are very very I mean, I think they've helped the relationships a lot and hopefully hopefully we see a good good season this year. Yeah. All
right, let's go ahead move forward. The next one is a capital purchase request. Did you make a motion? Yeah, we we made a motion in a second. Yeah. On on the missing timber ticket, didn't we? No. No. What? I thought we did. I thought we did. We had a motion to second, but we didn't vote. Barry
interrupted it. No. Phil did. I just I thought we were done. Holy. All right. We have a motion in a second to approve the missing timber sale ticket policy. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Motion. You got interrupted because she has two seconds.
Is my fault. Next item is to uh capital purchase request to purchase some items for our new source separated organics program. I'd like to purchase four 30 cubic yard rolloff containers from HNS manufacturing for the amount of 65,300 and also to purchase concrete
blocks from the pre-cast. That was a low quote. Uh we talked about in committee there was we don't want them. Why did we I thought we talked about this. We did uh it was already in the board packet at that time. So, but we can pull that out and if you can approve. I'd like to look
at that again, Steve, because we can we get Sure. That's fine. So, can we move forward with purchasing the 65 the containers from I'll move to Shoot, I got to do this as amended to move forward with just the purchase of the
request for the rolloff containers minus the uh concrete blocks which will be revisited. Sure. Can I do that? Mhm. Okay. You got that whole motion, Piggy? I'll have a second. We have a motion by Phil and a second by Richard. Any
further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. Opposed. All right. Motion carries. The last item is to approve a professional services agreement with MBA. I talked to Kevin Bartram. He's a principal architect. Uh
we'd like to do a study of our solid waste campus and maybe uh in the future possibly apply for some capital assistance assist assistance program grants to make a major improvements out there which would include asking for some funding for uh in our recycling
facility for some machinery. Uh possibly adding onto the transfer station and also look at possibly creating a special waste material building which is basically household hazardous waste. uh perhaps reuse and then we got a bunch of other things that we just collect in sheds and different spots on the campus.
We'd like to bring all that together. So, we got everything's coming together into one site for the p public to bring drop stuff off out there. Uh the Kevin gave an initial proposal to do uh one building out there for $9,500 and I asked him about the
possibility of adding onto the transfer station where we could do more sorting of waste. uh he said for an additional 25 up to $2,500 for that. It's a time and material study is really what it is. It might be less than what what we're asking for approval for. Uh but what it
does do by looking at this the traffic flow out there, what we're doing, uh along with proposed changes on our demo landfill rules. uh this will set the county up if if we move forward with this some of these improvements where
we'd save money potentially on what we're sending out to landfills and how we're handling our waist stream. Uh I think one thing that I need to see is the the cash flow. I mean, if you if you
if we do this and and something's recommended, but I want to see the operation cash flow on how much this this would cost us and how much this would raise tipping fees if we don't because it's not it's well, it's not property tax, it is tipping fees that you'd pay for. Um, and our our tipping
fees are, you know, compared to counties that don't have incinerator are relatively high. So while we want to be leaders in in recycling and reusing, there is only so many dollars that I feel comfortable
with taxing our the tipping fee for that. Absolutely. So that would be part of the study is so once you identify what your infrastructure costs are, you'd have to look at how it affects your operations and what you can do. So, and a good example is out at our transfer station in the last year. Last
couple years, we've made a much more concerted effort to try to sort out different types of waist streams that have come in with particularly with mixed loads of demolition materials. Uh we had a lot of rolloffs that have metal in it, for example. They've sorted out almost 100 tons last year. The problem
is the transfer station to do those types of operations is is small. But if you take that when you're charging people for that and you're actually selling it as a commodity when you get done, there's a definitely a def a positive uh cash flow with that. Those are the
things that we'd look at in response to your question. I I agree with you and it could it could Barry it could help us to keep them down in the future. I agree with you too that we don't we can't just raise our tipping fees, but when we do take mixed loads in like that and
there's a lot of them and people just don't want to. We've tried to get people to separate things in these rolloffs and they won't. But there are there are lots of different things you can do if we had a little more room. Sometimes there's a lot of garbage on that floor and if we
had a little room to do this and we could we could keep our we could try and keep our tipping fees lower. Um so really what we want to see is that this additional buildings is going to be
beneficial absolutely in keeping absolutely it would be well Mr. chair, when when you take this the whole way through as we sat in committee. I mean, it's a the CAP grant. I mean, this is to to get the study so we can apply for the CAP grant. Um, if we get the CA cap grant, it's still
7525. So, we'd have to come up with the 25, which would come out of environmental budget. So, Barry, is that the point where you're saying, well, we don't want to raise our tip. I'm just saying that when we apply for these, this is the starting of the ball rolling. I mean, yeah, good or bad. So,
we start investing money in the study. Now, the study comes back. Well, we've done the study, now we can apply for the grant. You get the grant. I mean, I'm just just be cautious because we don't we can stop this at any but it's harder to stop every time every
farther go down here. Yeah, just just be aware that but you know the I don't I don't feel that we can build another building to h to house to house uh reusable items. I the building is too expensive to maintain and to build to to
have I mean it's good usable furniture but I I think we have to find a way to roll that out sell it as a I mean instead of building another building because we get more and more we'll just keep building buildings all the time. So, I'm just saying it has to be cash
neutral or hope preferably better to to move forward with some of this stuff, right? And and we've talked about this and part of that part of that getting this grant would be there's a big interest in reusables. Okay. So, part of
that part of that goes for that. And I've talked to Steve about it, too. We can't just fill buildings with that stuff. But right now, all the stuff's sitting outside. And but my recommendation would be that we try and sell it. If it doesn't sell, then we discount it. If it doesn't if then we
can even offer it for free, we could maybe move it. And but we need to we need to keep it moving. We can't just hoard it. And that that's one of the big things is to to keep moving it. People really like it. I'm surprised I keep Is there anything you can donate like bring
it to the Well, I don't care how we get rid of it. just so it's not in our in our waist stream anymore, you know, because there I' I've seen some some good things in there, too. I you know, some boat trailers and stuff that surprised me.
People threw them away, but um the idea is that in the future it is not getting any cheaper to get rid of garbage and the more of it. No, but do you look at look at what today's society is when you buy appliances? I I bought a washing
machine not too long ago. Um it's cheaper to buy a new one than to fix the old one. I mean, they don't last as long as they used. No, I mean, so I can tell you something that I'm going to argue with you there. I wouldn't know I wouldn't know
this, but my my son-in-law is a appliance repair man, and he I don't know why we don't have one here, but he comes up. He's fixed both of He's fixed my washer and dryer. How much did it cost you? Nothing. Because he's doing it
for you. No. Well, you know, Barry, I'm I'm just going to tell you I can prove if you want if you want proof. I can I can prove this to J. I know what I'm talking about. Well, there you come out and fix a washer and dryer for 150 bucks. Go down there and buy a new one. Well, there are certain cases where you
could, I'm sure. But when you're talking about replacing the board on it, you're talking I mean you cuz you look at what it cost to replace stuff, you can I mean I go online before I make the decision. You go online and you Google it and you find out what it is and most likely the the motherboard and you you may as well
go buy a new appliance cuz to replace that is anyway we're getting So this study will will determine if this is going to be a cost effective thing to do. Absolutely. Okay. So I think that's the key. We just have we have to decide if we want to do this study to see it. I
think we probably should I would say um do this study to show if we are going to be either cost effective or neutral or positive to without raising up our tipping fees. You'll be looking at it with that. Absolutely. That's part of it. And also how does it prep the county
going into the future with Yeah. community. I'll make that motion to uh enter agreement with MBA architects to come up with um an evaluation of the county solid waste campus infrastructure needs. Is that the way you want it to sound? Yep. Up
to $12,000 that maximum. Y max. So we have a motion by Phil. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Richard. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. Hi I you know it just dawned on me when
you said that Richard you know maybe we have a program out there because these appliances some of them aren't aren't badly in shape maybe we look at is there a way if you are delivering an appliance state what's wrong with it maybe we have someone that can try to come and fix them and sell them for their own I mean
I would there's a program where we might start a program with well no you're absolutely right that part of the CAP program is that the state wants to see the counties partner with other organizations to do those type of things. Like right now we use Better Futures. That's not saying Better
Futures is, but you're absolutely right. I mean, if we could partner with in that in that example with somebody that's willing to take them. We do that with small engines. Now we have there's like one or two people that take all the small engines we get out there. They Well, that that's a program where even just the parts of it, you know, maybe
they're part maybe a a good main board is fine on something. It's something else that's broken. Hey, I Does Mate have any programs? He can't get a day off. It's awesome. He's down in the closer area. He can't get a day off. I don't know if we have one of those guys around here, but he's came and fixed.
But anyway, you know what I'm saying? Have those parts or leave them as parts or I don't know. Anyway, we better move on. Mr. Chair, before you guys leave, uh uh we approved in the consent agenda waste hauler Smith Pro Services. How many waste haulers do we have in the
county? 17. We probably got about four of them that actually do curbside solid waste where they, you know, do the trash. The rest of them are all rolloffs. There's How many would the there be? There's probably what 12, I think. 12. They're licensed waist
hollers. So 12 with rolloffs and four. I have to get you the exact number. I don't remember off the top of my head. Um I can get that to you. Okay. I'd like to see that. Mitch, uh who is the land commissioner? Is that you? The land commission. So you sign as land commissioner. Yeah, it's an appointment.
So it's a statute driven thing I would say. So every county that has x amount of tax forfeited land acres. And correct me if I'm wrong, but um it falls under the 282 tax forfeited land. Um Mary would be the land commissioner if we don't appoint someone else. Yep. County
auditor. But right now currently Mary Mitch is appointed as our land commissioner. Okay. I see that term and I don't know exactly who that is or what that means. So, okay. All right. That's all I got. Thank you. All right, Sheriff Glander. Good morning. You have six minutes.
Okay, you remember that. Uh, Mr. Chair, members of the board, I have four items. First item is uh request to purchase less lethal launchers which would include 40mm launchers and pepper ball
launchers. Um the total cost is 27,473. We will be trading in our uh shotguns to strikers for $250 each for a
total of 6,000. And we also have uh monies available that we received through selling our squad cars and uh we received $7,500 from the BCA for homicide investigation reimbursement
which would more than cover that cost of those launchers. Can you just give us a quick reason why you want to do it? Just what we talked about in sheriff. Yeah. Well, number one, less lethal. It gives us that less lethal option. Um obviously you know with a shotgun
it's it's not less lethal. Um certain cases uh obviously you know deadly force is needed or will be used in this case uh um it it's not deadly. And Mr. Chair
just just for those that don't know we're still having the they still have other tool they have rifles and and handguns. They still have a shotgun is not I mean besides the less less lethal less lethal besides a less lethal
option. A shotgun is not a good tool for law enforcement. That that's I mean it's unless they're out duck hunting or something but I mean it's it's not a tool that they want to have for a lethal tool. So um correct Mr. I'd make a motion to approve the purchase of the
launchers projectiles pepper balls and fill bottle and the trade in of the 870. Right. Shotguns. Second. All right. We have a motion to second. Do we have any further discussion? Mr. Chair. Uh, so we're we're trading in. So that means we did have something before shotgun. We
currently have shotguns. Oh, okay. We're trading in the shotguns for the less lethal. It'll that'll be applied to the total cost. Yes. Where in the last year, can you give me some situations where you would have had use for this uh one
time, 10 times, 100 times? I don't have a number um guesstimate I don't even know if I can guess but there are situations where if it's a a suicidal person uh that we can uh you know where we have to use any
type of force uh I think mental health is the big thing today you know some of these people aren't criminals I mean they're doing criminal activity but they're they're in mental health crisis and to go after them I mean your your tools are the old shotguns uh had lethal
force even though they weren't the bean bags weren't they're supposed to be less than lethal but they still are lethal. What about those stun gun things? What about those things? That's for close range. Obviously that that's only up to about 25 ft. I can tell you a case where
it was a a neighboring county that had an individual come out of a a vehicle with a a bow compound bow uh that had an arrow in it and they were able to uh diffuse that situation from a further distance away than 25 ft. Are are these
are these in your trunk? Are these in your squad car? Are they on your belt? Where? No, they they're within they're in our squad car. Yeah. And that's where the shotguns were. also and and these are these are long-term. These aren't these aren't something that would trade
every couple years or 5 years. We're figuring, you know, depending upon what happens, but you're thinking 20 to 40year life cycle on these. They're not. Yeah. I don't I don't have the, you know, exact amount of years it would be, but definitely a long-term option. Okay.
Thank you. All right. We have a motion and a second. Um, all in favor signify by saying I. I. Oppos? Motion carries. All right. Todd, item number two, I'm requesting to purchase a new boat and water truck to replace uh our total
vehicle. Uh we received uh money of 36,000 and uh 36,973 from the insurance minus our deductible. Of course, the new vehicle
will cost 48,7516. And and that's fully equipped with everything we need, right? Uh I think it was. Wasn't it 44 something without the equipment? Yes. Yeah. Motion to approve. All right. We have a
motion by Barry. Do you want to add the 48705? That was in my motion now. Okay. All right. So, we have a motion by Barry. Do you have a second? Second. Second by Erica. All in favor or any further discussion? The water truck.
What What is the water truck? Boat. Well, we call it boat and water, but it's actually used for pulling boats, ATVs, snowmobiles, um side by side exclusively for that. That's what you call your boat or patrol. Okay. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. All right. Motion carries. All right. Todd. Thank you. Item number three, it's a request to purchase uh property that is owned by the city of Detroit Lakes. This would be
property for future uh use of the sheriff's office. And again, it's it's not something that uh we would be looking at immediately, but uh the land is currently for sale and the hope is for us to get that property
before it goes somewhere else. Um, it's directly straight east of the the current jail, the new jail up on Stony Road. It's adjacent to the compost site, if you're familiar where that's
at. The lot number is one 4972241 and the asking price is 91,262. This is two, it says 2.24 24 acres on kind of depends on where you look. 2.24 and the other is 2.27.
Carrie, maybe you can help clarify. But if if I think we just move to um authorize you to negotiate or see if see what the price would be for us and and bring that back if for consideration if we if the board chooses that. Yes. I and
I just want to I would say and I um if we want to ever decide to move the sheriff's department out out there, we have the only the only option we would have would be to put it in that spot
because we had the we had the study done. So if we don't if if we don't purchase the land, then we take away that option. Um, and I guess that's that's what we have to decide. And and by purch by purchasing land, we're not we're we're
not going to we're not going to go backwards ever. But I mean, if maybe in if we decide in 10 years we want to build law a law enforcement center out there, then we have to have that property. If we're not going to, you know, I don't know. That's that's what we have to decide. Where do we get the
money for this? Yeah, that's that's the other thing. Can I elaborate on some of that? There's there's um I mean if we if we choose to purchase this, we have we I mean it it kind of goes into our next next item.
Also, um we will be we will be looking at um building a building a storage facility on the site to house all of our equipment. That's our this is our next discussion with where we go. But um I
would also say that the site right below that um where your arrow is is also an appropriate property. So I think we have a couple options to kind of get what the city's looking at. Yeah. I but the funds that we're looking at to build the the storage building. Um I think we've been
in some I think Carrie's gathered some information on what big projects we have coming forward in the near future. Um we've identified through building maintenance a couple significant um needs with elevator and and uh what
boilers boil boilers at human services. So I think we're going to be looking at bonding um in the future. Um, and the timing is pretty good because as you know, the bond payments for our the courthouse will be coming off in
February in in 27 in early 27th February. So we can you can stage those. So you're you know that would be that's about 550,000 I think. I don't know what the last payment was a little bit less I think but so we can use those funds. I
mean, when we bond, you'd want to stay at that same time frame or start when that old one comes off and then continue, you know, continue on. And this this wouldn't be as significant of monies so there's not a drop in that in taxes and then come back a spike. I
mean, it's better not to see um and hopefully we can do this, use some of that money for what we're going to be seeing from the state also, but um I don't know, you know, we're talking that that's where the financing will come besides if there's
any leftover monies from um the legislation money or sale of sale of the buildings coming like the old um structures, the not the storage facility we have over on 8th Street. Um,
so that one that one will be sold. Um, and I think if if as we move forward in full discussions, I think the the building on a street that houses extension will be sold eventually. Um, so I mean there are there are those
things that will add back into that also. So for your question, if if as we move forward and we all gather put all these pieces together, that's that's where the funds would come from. So I mean, you just brought up a lot
that Mr. Chair, excuse me. Uh you brought up a lot that I mean, future bonding and all this. I mean, I I had no clue we're going to be talking about this today. Um, you know, this was an IND I said on the Detroit Lakes Development Authority, this is all supposed to be, uh,
industrial stuff back here. Um, uh, I don't think that road has been built in there yet that we're seeing on the picture, but that those are supposed to be all 10 ton roads, so bigger equipment, bigger trucks can come down that way. I mean, that's what they talked about back when I was on it.
um you know that there are bigger questions to answer here before we I I I I can't support moving ahead with this today, especially since um you brought up a whole bunch of things I haven't thought about. I I I I won't say that down the road I wouldn't consider it,
but I'm not ready to do that yet. Um has the city that that would be a city lot, right? Correct. It's a city lot. It is a city lot. And just to answer the question, the the road does it's a gravel road there that goes back to that compost site right now, but you
know, there was future when we talked there was future about putting in that road up to North Tower Road and and make it an indust industrial park. Um but I think the the issue is what the chairman said is if we don't I mean it
if we don't jump on it and it is purchased by somebody else it then then how do we expand our shares we we do and someone asked me about another topic and I'll get to that in a minute but we have a lot a lot of moving parts in this I
mean the anything I mean and I don't see any any near-term building out there. I I don't see anything in the next 5 years as us doing anything. That's my opinion. But if we find that that human service building, the human services or
community health comes in and and can can use our current facility and at where the jail is and and I mean our old jail and our then you start saying, well, now we have a use for that. I mean, I we won't be looking at anything out there until we have a use for this
besides We just remodeled that three, four, five years ago, didn't we? The sheriff's department there just just 2020. 2020. 2020. It was just the lower level, right? Yeah. There's nothing upstairs and and now I'm I mean the second floor, we're talking about
whatever per repurposing that for whatever would be. And you can add a third floor. I mean, all that costs money. So, when you talk about bonding, Yeah. I mean, that definitely has to be brought into the picture. But I mean, there's a lot of moving parts. Agreed. Uh, and we have a lot of old buildings
and old equipment that are going to need addressed in the next 10 years. 5 to 10 years. I know Barry, you brought up that the next item number four here cuz that could What are we going to
do about that? We're going to cuz maybe we could talk about this at the same time. We did a little bit, but maybe we could get a little deeper into this because we're You want to rent the place? Item number four. Yeah, that that's our only option right now with the city. The
um Yeah. And so how much is that a month? Oh, just about 20 $2,700 a month is I did get that confirmed from Kelsey. Okay. So, how long are we going to do that? I mean so and I agree that we I
want this is for our emergency equipment. Absolutely. Yes. And so I am in agreement that we should have that all in one place. I And that's what the storage build I I referenced storage building instead of impound building but we've called it impound but it's a
storage building on site where the jail is with the impound lot behind it. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, how long do you know at at what point would we build something rather than rent something? This is what we're Well, that's what the interim. Mhm. But before enter from Yes.
Yeah. Well, we're the building on Roosevelt would just be until we got something done at the jail site. Not Not talking about the one across the road. Right. So, okay. So, that one really has nothing to do with the other one then. Well, it all it all intertwines with
long-term um but the so we're hoping and I think this board as we've talked about the impound building a lot and we're looking at um we've got some plans and we're waiting for I think that Todd's working with the architect and we don't
want we didn't want to hire an architect because we didn't think it was needed but they're coordinate there I think they're coordinating some of the electrical and and water because it there is some things I mean it's not a office building but there still has you have to follow the state and local rules
on it. So we're moving towards that direction. I think it hopefully within well hopefully next year at this time they'll I mean I don't know if we can get anything built this year but hopefully next year at this time they'll be they'll be working on that. So if that happens then you um I think Todd is
Todd gave a list of all the places where his equipment is. One of them is at the fire hall and now they are adding equipment so we have to get out of there. So that's why we have to lease space. So our our space needs are such that and we have the bearcat coming. Bearcat coming. So we will be needing to
rent space till we get this built. Um unfortunately. Well, can we at least build something to hold this stuff rather than rent? We're going to we by next year this time we hopefully be building it. Yes. Well, but
but in the interim we we need to get we need to try to get our emergency. I I agree. I I want it all in one place. I want it not people running around looking for it. Um here here's just an example. Uh we had an incident up on Twinless Lake a few weeks ago. It was a
crash. Uh we have our all of our emergency equipment in many different places. The sergeant that was on duty that night, he got to the street. Where do I go? Fairgrounds, right? 8th Street. Uh those seconds,
minutes count. you go to one wrong building and the equipment is not there, then you got to try to find it. Uh, and I'm sorry. I mean, 10 different locations is what I would like to do if beings were on number the other topic. I
would like the board just to direct Carrie to, you know, bring to look into the the purchase of, you know, there's two option of of places on those lots. Just just get numbers and bring back to us. We can we can decide if we want to review them or put them on our agenda at
a later date. I mean, that's all we need to look at. I would agree, Mr. Chair. The number the number's there. It's 91,26. That's what the list price is. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's then there's the lot. There's another option below that just price, right? Yeah. Well, we're giving them free computers. Yeah. There
you go. So, I mean, I I think I don't there's no action. I wasn't thinking there would be an action day, but a direction at least investigate it. And if we're if the board's open to investigating that as an option, that's what we do. And then and also too, I think we could look at the lot just adjacent to it or south of it. South of
the original. Yeah, cuz those are I do think we need to do some long-term planning. Yeah, I agree. Right. I mean that I I really agree. And that's part of it. And and the other thing, so if Carrie would do that, I don't think we need board motion just just to go bring look at information.
And I think Todd wants to he wants to highlight that, you know, these could be gone in in a month or two or so he wants to highlight that. Um the other the other thing is if we go move forward with the lease on this, we probably have space in a couple of our buildings that we might want to lease out short term
till we Yes. I mean, example would be possibly the the building on a street that 4. There's a large area in there that that could be leased out. And if we're moving out of the equipment out of the transit building, we got to work with the fair board and see if if we
could in temporarily lease some of that space out because we have to start looking at some income sources on on these things also if if we can. You know, we have that piece of land at the EDA Erica that we can't seem to do. The one in Fr? No, it's right in town here.
Oh, right by the West River Town Hall. Yes. And I wonder if we can trade that to the city. Okay. Well, we we can't that' be something for us, but I would be and that's what we should we should try and you know,
you're trading in shot. I think we should maybe try to Yeah, because we can't seem to can't seem to find a use for it and and that would make sense to try and So, we're on to the next one. So, we want to
move forward the leasing of the I think. So, did we give Carrie direction on number three? Yeah, I I can certainly Yes. Um I think I've got the directions. I'll put some options together. I'll meet with Kelsey again and bring them back. Maybe even investigate that a little bit. The Oh, the trade rental of
space. Yeah, I think I've got it. Yep. All right, then let's go on to item number four, Todd. Um yeah, just just maybe we should look into the trading or not trading, but the leasing out of some of the sites, too. that would be requiring fairboard and
EDA's involvement. So of the Yeah, we have we could talk about the specifically the extension building and this week and I would really like the fair board to come to and and we figure out what we want to move how we
want to move forward with that building. Yes. because we want some resolve there now that we we have to get some income now that the sheriff if we're going to move forward with this the sheriff's going to be moving out of there um to to to in the future. So I would make a a motion to approve
the lease agreement terms with the city of DL for Becker County for renting renting the building on up to or the time the dates. I mean we want don't want to lock ourselves into more than it's currently being used right
now. Um but apparently that's just short term it. Yeah, I um I asked Kelsey about the term or what they would and their open um perhaps a suggestion might be a one-year lease with
regions motion to authorize um um negotiations with the facility for now and then bring it back. Okay. Yep. All right. So, we have a motion by Barry. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Erica. Do we have any further discussion? So is is that to gather
information or is that to sign a lease for rented for bring bring the lease to us to approve for approval because there's details we have I mean we we can't commit to more than a certain time frame and we want to see the but we we would have to do that anyway. We'd have to have it authorized or authorized. So
I'll do I'll do the leg work and I'll bring it back. So we're authorizing car to do all that leg work and bring it back. Okay. So we have a motion to second. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. All right, motion carries. Mr. Chair, um I need a ways to come along on
this to be able to vote for this. I agree. I I agree we have storage issues. I agree with that, but is it appropriate or inappropriate to sit down with I'm not on sheriff, but this is going to be a big deal and there's going to be a lot of money. Is it appropriate to go to
Sheriff Glander and sit down and have conversations with him? Yeah. He can't buy you any pie or anything, but he can talk to you. We'll be in in in touch. Yeah. Oh, there's some things that Yeah, I would gladly talk. I just wanted you guys to all know I I don't want to step on the high or the Can I update? Yeah,
Mr. Chair. Uh, we our Bearcat came in last Friday. Oh, sweet. It's here now. It's here. Can we drive it? I drove it. Or at least No, they didn't say you drove it. Can we drive? Uh, it it it's an amazing tool. And that's what it's going to be is a is a
tool. And uh we had to move items out of the one storage building to make room for this. So um again, that's just an example, but it it is here. Thank you. Awesome. And if we want to see it Oh, get a hold
of me. Yeah. Yeah, I want to see. Maybe that should be the first stop in your tour. That's what I was I was actually thinking of that. Yeah. Let me check my list. [Laughter]
Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Sheriff. All right. Planning and zoning, Kyle. Good morning, Mr. Chair, commissioners. Morning, Kyle. First item I have for you today is planning planning commission recommendations from April 30th.
First being Nicholas and Betsy Lewis. Uh requesting a conditional use permit for retaining wall. Recommendation was to approve. I'll make a motion to approve. Second. All right. Motion by Erica. Second by Phil. Do we have any further discussion?
How high was this one? I was curious if it would have if we would had the new ordinance in place, it wouldn't be required. So, we're looking at the retaining wall ordinance that four feet or less is would be permittable.
That doesn't matter. That's fine. 4 foot. Oh, so it would be permittable then. All right. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I oppose. Right. Motion carries. Um, second request was for a preliminary
plat for six lots to be known as registered land survey number two. Um, this is six lots on Rock Lake. It's technically we probably could have done something by meets and bounds in an administrative survey, but given the description, it's in Torrance. So, this
is only the second registered land survey in the county, but the recommendation was to approve. I'll make a motion to approve and I will second. All right, we have a motion by Eric and a second by Phil. Do we have any further discussion? All right, all in favor sign by saying I oppos. All
right, motion carries. Uh the third applicant film trust was tabled. Um the individual was out of state. She sent her director, but there was quite a few questions that couldn't be answered. So we will maybe see that
in May or June or our May meeting or June meeting. So, we'll move on to the next applicant, which was a request for a conditional use permit for mining operations. Um, there was a recommendation to approve. I did speak with the applicant after the meeting,
actually this morning. There's some differences in the mining plan versus the conditional use permit. He asked for hours of operation from 7:30 to 5 and then it was originally a 10 acre site.
Um but the mine plan said 15 acres technically um he can go up to 40 acres with no environmental review being he's outside the shoreline. So just those two things I want to clarify and have you consider 7:30 to 5 and then if you're good with
up to 40 acres. Do we have a motion to approve? He went from 10 acres to 40 acres. Well, he has 10 acres in the conditional use permit and then the mime plan said 15. Um, so can we say up to 15? You could. Okay. I just told him we're going to have to
It's It'd be nice to have some limitations on it and the planning commission didn't consider that. I should have advised them to do that, but um he can always come back if he wants to exceed 15. So, I'll make a motion to approve up to 15 acres with the time
from 7:30 to 5 Monday through Friday. I'll second it. So we have a motion by Erica and a second by Phil. Do we have any further discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. All right. Motion carries.
And the last application was a con request for a conditional use permit for the cultivation, manufacturing, wholesale of cannabis. Recommendation was to approve with a condition that the applicant meet the required setbacks or have a granted variance.
And depending on what happens with our amendments, um he he may be able to meet that 100 foot requirement or he is on the agenda or they are on the agenda for a board of adjustments on this Thursday. And the
applicant is here. He is. Yes. So they're on the agenda to to go away from our limits already. Well, they were on there last month because we had them at 500, right? Yeah. Um and they couldn't meet 500. He's able
to meet 100. Um but the operation could be screened better or less visual from I want to say the road further a lot [Music]
better if you were able to move it. But as it is, if you guys How many acres? Five. If if you wish to speak, come up to the Yeah. Come up and so we can hear you now. Come go ahead. Come on up. Five acres. You have five acres. Yes. Five. Yeah.
Did you state can meet the He can meet the 100 foot if that is approved today. State state your name to it. Uh Brian Wilms. Okay. Um so we can meet the 100 foot. It's just it puts it in the center of our property which puts it directly behind our house and closer to the two
residences on the north side. We have federal land that's not buildable. Um it's like a slew basically. And so if we can move like say you guys do the 100 foot setback, we get approved for the variance, we can move it 40 ft towards that property line, then it's going to
be completely screened in by trees from the road and it's going to be further away from the residences on that far side and then there's nothing on the north side to build. Um, so we can meet the current, like if you guys approve the 100 foot, we can meet that. Um, so if the variance committee tells us no, they don't want to allow us to move it,
we can still do it. Um, we will just have to put it somewhere that's not optimal for us. Um, and it'll be closer to neighbors and stuff. So, um, but either way, we can still do it. Like we were just told there was going to be 100 foot, so we wanted to try and, um, get
in and mitigate that beforehand. So, Mr. Chair, can I chime in on this? Um, yeah, Roger, why don't you come up to the Okay, no, this is fine. Mr. Chair and commissioners, townships are not really liking this 100
foot. Uh, I know you had the meeting. I had sent something to Phil. I sent my uh email to uh Dave Bloomstead and he gave it to everyone and I think both of you probably got that too at your committee cuz I was out in
Washington. Anyways, uh I don't know if you're going to approve that 100 ft. Just last night I heard on TV I don't know if that was Klay County they're moving theirs to 200 ft. I don't know what anybody planning on Mr. Chair, we're going to get to that,
right, Kyle? Yeah, we're at five. We're at 500 approval, right? So, no, we're not any We're on his conditional use permit right now. Right after this, then we're right, Kyle. Am I right on that? Then we're going to talk about distance. So, if we were to approve this currently, it would be it would be at
the current 500 ft until we change. Okay. So, Okay. Yeah. Which is why the recommendation is to to meet the setbacks. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. and I'll talk I would like to speak later. Yeah. No, thanks Rodria. So, just so we're clear, we're we're not
approving that's the next item on the agenda is that, right? So, we're we approved this. We're approving it at 500 ft. I was just clarifying that stipulation in the minutes. Yeah. Well, in my opinion, I think five acres
is too small of a a site for a commercial for a this type of and I think we should have a limit on our size requirements for in our ordinances. I mean, we're we're we are learning this as we go
and if you take a 5 acre spot with 100 100 foot setback on all sides, there's not much usable area. uh hence the request for a variance already um within this even if if we do allow it or don't allow it he was going to apply for a
variance. So I mean I'm we're learning we're learning the pros and cons of these operations as we go and I think this is one that's that's showing us some of the deficiencies already of what we're even
proposing. I mean, uh, but can I So, five acres, that's a huge piece of To be clear, we can only grow a half an acre with our license. We are a micro business. We can only grow half an acre. So, I mean, for a micro, some social equity, we were approved because we were adversely affected by the cannabis laws.
This is craft cannabis on a very, very small scale. This is what the state intended for that license. Like, how much property are we legitimately supposed to own to grow half an acre of weed like of cannabis? It's like how much are we supposed to own? Are we supposed to own 50 acres? Like that's
not really feasible. Like that's we're talking very small scale. These are people that are bootstrapping businesses with very little money. Like we're using what we've got. Like that's what this was written for. We can meet it without the setbacks. If you guys do
the 100 foot, without a variance, if you do the 100 foot, we have plenty of space. Um it's not the best location visibly for the neighbors. We're worried about the neighbors. So even without the variance, we can still do it. We have plenty of property. You're you're saying it you can do it if we approve with this
current if we 100t with the 100 foot set but with not a minimum acreage required. Is this inside or outside? It is in it is so it's inside enclosed in a 6ft fence inside a greenhouse. Okay. And we're talking a 30x40 greenhouse. Okay.
Part of the problem that we've been having though like I've heard both sides that we want it in an industrial area. We'll never have it in an industrial area if we have 500 foot setbacks because you'll never have an industrial piece of property that large. So when
we're we're I hear we want it outside, we want it inside. If we keep these large setbacks, they're ne they're going to be in these rural areas. That's where they will have to stay because you won't get you won't meet the setbacks. Are they making alcohol on
Main Street here in town? They're making alcohol here. the there's near a brewery right in town. Yes, right in town. Okay. Well, this is where I'm confused as I've been around both all of my life. Both what? Alcohol and I want to get this on
record. Watched it. I've watched all of it. And and if they're making alcohol on Main Street, I'm just going to tell you guys for if you don't know much about marijuana or alcohol, alcohol could cause you to do some really wild and
devastating things. And it's and I asked cuz says I asked one of our deputies about this who's who's been in law enforcement his whole life cuz I wanted to know what what what is what are the true facts here and which one do you want to deal with? He didn't he he did
not want to deal with somebody that drank a bottle of Windsor and somebody that was on smoking weed was no problem. And so if we can make alcohol there, this is what I'm confused about. Uh- why are these setbacks so far for this? I
mean, nothing's going to come out. It's not going to leak out of that building or something. So, I'm just confused why why they are so what what are this, you know, what are we worried about? I'm I think part of the issue, Richard, is right or wrong,
alcohol is accepted in our society. We're not there yet with cannabis, with much of the society. Yeah. So, I think I think that again, right or wrong, that's where we're at as far as community input. Stick to facts. I
understand people can't accept this, you know. Um, but I just because they can't get it in their mind. I maybe we need some kind of education on it. I've seen all of it and and and so I would agree. I'm just confused. Well, I I don't think in my
opinion it's it's the this is this is a growing but I mean it's a different type of use than than an agricultural area. I mean it is a going to be a um it's it's a has to be a secure area with 247 surveill I mean it's a
different type of project in the middle of um agricultural. So, you want to make sure you're not, in my my opinion, what I worry about is the negative effect on the neighboring properties, the neighboring homeowners there. I I mean,
house prices are are based on the sale of houses in the area, not whether or not there's a business or what they're doing with that. It's how much a house in that area sold for. So when you look at the property values and that kind of stuff, we're talking about a 60 by 70 fence area and it is licensed,
legitimate, secure, it's not we're not putting giant manufacturers. We're not they're they're trying to put in a feed lot right north of us. That is way more detrimental to the housing costs for that area than what we're trying to do. Like this is a plant. It's not going to hop out of its pot and go attack some
kid. It is literally tomato plant. Like I'm just saying like it's it's not even it's not even psychoactive until about it last two weeks of its life cycle and then we chop it down and then it goes into buckets and it's secured and then it gets moved off site. It is literally a garden. Um somebody with a medical
license can grow 6% of what we're attempting to grow without a license and without oversight. They can grow 12 plants medic or 16 plants medically. So a dozen people can get together and grow exactly what we're trying to do. Like it's not largecale industrial like we're not
putting up a bunch of buildings like none of it's permanent. It's not So you mentioned it's a it's a micro facility correct? Yes. It's it's micro business license. Um so in the so if this is approved Kyle can you tell me it's a 35 30x40 building you
mentioned is that in is that in the plan? So everything that's in the plan is is would be limited to that and not expansion. Correct. We are extremely limited through OCM. We have to give them a site plan and we are not allowed to. Let me ask I'm asking Kyle understand you can't have more than
5,000 of I'm understanding that but if we approve this plan and it states a 30 by 40 building and everything in the plan we can limit it to that. Yes, you can condition it to that condition. I mean I think in my opinion I think it's important. So according with your plan
then they can't grow in size for for the construction footprint without getting permission without getting another permission. Yeah. So so the whole the whole site will be 70 by 60. Uh depending on the setbacks it'll either be 60 by 70 if we can get it closer to
the property line to screen it. Otherwise, it'll be, I think, 50 by 100 um to meet the setback, the the proposed 100 foot setback and to adjust it. Um because we've got some trees and that kind of stuff in the middle of our property we'll have to work around and
deal with. Um so, at most though, the growing portion is a 30x40 hoop house and we have a 6x12 um greenhouse for starts for seeds. Um, and that's also in our plan and that's through the OCM and we will we will also
be limited from them and we will have to update everything through them and get permission also to do anything more than that too. Um, and then our maximum is 5,000 square foot um indoor or halfacre outside. Well, your maximum is not what we're talking about here when you say a
30x 40. No, that's and a 6 by 12 by 6 by 12 for for small plants to for seedlings. So to be clear though it's you can grow up 20,000 square feet if it's outside. Uh I believe if it's outside um
something for you to consider then because everything we've every application we've considered has been inside and to my knowledge that's 5,000. Yes indoor 5,000. Um are you in your plan have you are you growing anything outside? No. It is just hoop house and then that little
greenhouse. Everything is is is uh they consider it mixed light. Um so everything is enclosed. We could put we could conditionally do that too. I'm I'm wondering I mean have you talked to the
neighbors to see if they would would prefer it out in that in your new in your preferenced location away from them? Actually be further away and less visible. That's what I'm saying. Have you talked to them and asked them which they would prefer? No. Uh, so once we got approved for this, like I was I was going to because I've already reached
out to them. I was going to contact them and see if they would come into the variance meeting or at least give us a letter or send a letter saying they would they would um who are they would like? Mr. Chair, Commissioner Nelson, um, in the in the listings here, it shows who
showed up. Most of them were neighbors. Correct. Uh, yes. Most of them live two, three miles away. Mile away. Yeah, I was I was one of But not I was wondering who are the ones that are closest to you? Who's who's closest to that? Um there's a I mean I don't I don't know exactly
Hansen is across the road. Uh is that the house or is that the farmland cuz there's the white Hansen which I was not heard from. Okay. And then the Strandbergs. I think I think that was the one that we heard from those that um rent the land directly I think from the
Hansen. Who who where does Michael Mund live? Yeah, cool. Michael, he lives in town. He was a supporter. He came in at the He owns um a shop retail in town. He's also um working on micro. He is working with DL. He's trying to do dispensary and that
kind of stuff. Okay. So, he's a possible cannabis business owner, too. Um, you don't can Can you bring up a Well, I don't need a map. If I was my concern is the closest land the closest homeowner what their what their
view is and if and if you would if this is approved. I do believe that the two closest homeowners have not had anything to good or bad to say about it. Strandberg, I believe. Strandberg's not listed. No, they were not at the meeting. Strandberg's not
listed. Whose farm is the the white hands? The one that's out north. The bottom left is the Strandbergs and I contacted them and they did not have any questions or anything for me. Um, and then the one bottom right, I have tried to go over there several times since we
moved in and I've never been able to get somebody at home. I It's got a bunch of farm equipment and tires and stuff out front. I figured it was like a seasonal farm house kind of thing. I don't know. I couldn't get a hold of anybody. Like it's all equipment and who's who lives there or whose property it is. I know we
heard from Irma Gillespie. Um I know we heard from John Hansen and his wife. There's two other women and I can't um several of those people indicated that they were from Wolf Lake which is about 40 miles from where we're at. The same the same folks that were at the board of adjustments meeting. Oh, Renee Cost.
She's Northwest and Alvin Warling. Alvin Morland, but I think that one's not super close or he's not super close. Yeah, he's west. Um, what's the parcel number of that house? That farm, just for curious. The one with the the this
one right here. Yeah. Yeah. Is that on You're on 13. Um, 14007300. That's Dwight's also. Let me just look.
What's No, this one. That's Dwight. Um I would I would like it screened with trees a little bit better if that's Oh the property is completely surrounded by lilacs um that are about 10 ft tall.
Um, and then where we, so if the 100 foot setbacks are in place, where we are attempting to put it is going to be fully screened. Would that be right? That would be to the west of your house. So there um is screened by trees. If with the 100 foot set back, it will have
to go like down and to the left where the trees are in the center of the yard um to get 100 foot from that northern property line. And so the hope is to get it back there where it's completely screened. That that would be the hope, but they're going to ask you, you know,
what the practical difficulty is to put it there. Um and judging from that last meeting, yes, if you come in and say you can now meet that setback, they're most likely going to have you do that. So for
Commissioner Nelson's sake, if you want it screened, then you should probably elaborate on that because the likelihood of getting a variance when you say you can meet a setback. So you can see where all the trees are, the fur trees and then the lilacs and
then in front of those fur trees are a bunch of choke berries and small buildings um and then green houses and stuff for personal use. And so it is completely screened from the yard on that side and the north side because there are 10 foot roughly 10 foot
lilacs. Um so if we have to move it 100 ft, we have to move it just beyond the edge of that fencing there. And then we're going to move it back from the house further because it'll be directly behind us. So it's going to be completely open to the roadways and um
it'll be closer to the residences that are directly south. Um, so for our purposes, being able to put it there is much better as far as line of sight. It'll be completely enclosed and then it has a fence around it with privacy slats. Um, so if we can put it there,
you won't even be able to see it anywhere from the road or neighboring houses. Well, I think I think for the purpose of today, we have to go with the 100 foot setback. Yes. Okay. We can't we can't we can't consider where it would be for a variance just because as Kyle said, we can't really go with the 100
foot setback yet. yet we haven't approved. So maybe we should should tweak I don't know. Do we change the order up here or do we just approve it and then if it we do get 100 foot setback then part of the stipulation you have to meet setback. So
I agree with you. I think you probably should act on that other Yeah. So because otherwise you'd be approving you could approve this with the condition of a variance. Um, we could table that and then go through or we we could approve it. We could
approve this. We could approve this with the 100 foot setback provided we let's just go to the other one first. Let's table this right now. Then we'll go to the the ordinance and then we'll come back. All right.
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. So after our Shell Lake application, we were given some direction to go back and reconsider setbacks. Um so that's what we did. We met with the zoning ordinance
advisory committee first who recommended um 100 ft from any property line or road right away um for cultivation, manufacturing, wholesale. And then they eliminated the setbacks for retail um
and just said do standard setbacks if you build a building meet you know right away setback sideyard took that recommendation to the planning comm and we did that to to match our other rules correct essentially yes I mean the
conversation has always come up we don't have it for alcohol or what have you so why are we doing it right okay so that's that's how we got there yeah that was retail we were mostly elim when we eliminated the setbacks because we considered kind of more like an alcohol and and the restrictions that they have
on retail are significant. We would but we wouldn't I don't I don't want to propose that we would allow a cannabis store in a rural setting anyway. That's that would be a commercial business. I mean that's where you'd limit it as a commercial business just like any other business. You would argue for or against
it when it came through. So the setbacks wouldn't be what you're arguing against is setting. So that recommendation was brought to the planning commission. Um they altered that and amended it to um keep the 100
foot setback for cultivation manufacturing wholesale but keep the original,000 ft from a school, 500 ft from a church day or library residence or adjacent property. 500 ft from a residential treatment facility and 500 ft from a park, playground or athletic
field. um or retail. But there again, reading that, I think a majority of those would be fine um from a school, from a church, from a daycare. However, I don't know that you'll ever have a retail business that meets 500 ft
from a residence on an adjacent property for the simple fact that they're normally going to be in a more urban setting and being 500 ft from something would probably hard to do, right? Yeah. I mean, I keep that. I'm just want to
point it out. I can think of a couple businesses in my area that have a bar, restaurant that could could sell retail that are close to and adjacent. Yeah. Do we know what the states
have they got any better guidelines? Any They've been busy. I mean, we don't have any have any setbacks? That's the latest stuff I got. Maybe we should let Mr. W. Yeah, let's let Roger talk. Go over here. Roger.
Have a seat on the chair. Thank you, Mr. Chair and commissioners. Uh, I had different calls that they wanted me to call a special meeting of the township association and I said no because I reached out to the sheriff. I reached out to him, Phil, and then also the
planning commission. And I don't think it was unanimous vote on what happened that night. I think some had different ideas on it. Um what um so what I want to say what I heard last night now they're moving to 200 ft.
Now I didn't catch it. It was Klay County or what county but it's out there. If it is Clay then that is a reduction though. Um because we modeled our first ordinance off of them. So I think they're probably running into the same thing. What you're running into what Commissioner Jeepson elaborated on
earlier. Is it accepted by the community? But the counties have said we're going to allow it. Okay. So then we put these setbacks in place and it can't go anywhere. So now if Clay is going to 200, then they are reducing their setbacks cuz ours are modeled off
their Okay. Cuz right now we're you're at 100. No, we're right now we're at five. Okay. So the 200 on on growing or it I think that's why what I understood. But but you can't take my full word on that because I just heard what was on
the TV on it and that was yesterday's meeting. So you'll have to you would have to check that out. But uh so I'm just bringing stuff back from what I've heard from our uh township people that uh they're not for this. And you also at
the meeting you got the thousand and you got the 500 from churches and stuff and that's what we wanted. Roger, let me ask you one question. Are are they opposed to the retail side of it or are they opposed to the growing growing side of
it? Growing. Yes. Both. Both. So basically both then. Yeah. Land is definitely opposed. Okay. I know that. Yes. I would say there are several in my eastern side that Yeah. So I mean you're hearing and you're probably getting calls and that and
uh from what I the people I talked to 100 ft is too close. Uh so you guys got to make that decision. the state. I don't know where they're at. Doesn't the tribes all over the state still have control on this? They're the ones that are doing stuff. See, we're in a
dilemma, too, because we have part of our area of the county is in the reservation. We don't know where they're at. I think they have one spot that they're selling now, but they still have to wait for the permit from the state. We're up at Morehead.
I understand they're open, I believe, aren't they? jail that Jail bear site or isn't I think they are. Is it open? Nobody know. I I don't as far as I know from now. You said no actually I didn't say I go up there Barry. I said I've been around both all my life. Yeah. I
know that. I've observed I've observed a lot of it. So yeah, and that's why I I'm I you know I I I want to you know I want to do the right thing here. But I I guess I you know just because somebody feels there I would I would want to know what what's the difference because it's
all inside of a building. Okay. Nobody nobody's going in there. And why does it have to be? I would just like to see a common sense approach to this and and a real answer on why does it have to be because I don't want to make it hard for him because it's easy for the tribe up
there. And if we're if it's going to be legal, I don't want to make it so hard for our people here that they can't compete with them. And and I don't know what happened to where the tribe could just come in and but it's all over all the other tribes, the whole state. That's what I
mean. And so that that's what I'm saying. And I, you know, I don't want to shove anything down anybody's throat, but I'd like to see some real damage here between 100 and 200 ft if it's going to be allowed. You know, we're going to allow it, but we're going to make it really hard for the guy just
because I I don't know that you could smell it. I don't think you could smell it. You can't see it. This this is this this is the you know I've had some trouble with feed lots next to my house for real reasons you know but but I'm Richard you guys are going to have to
make the final decision. We're just bringing these comments to you. I'm just trying to figure out why why we would make it so hard for people had a solution to that if the townships if 37 of them are or the majority unanimously opposed. I have said in the past I I
township should probably lay back a little bit when it comes to zoning. But if if you guys are unanimously against this, there is a mechanism in place. That's why I've never seen the state ask for you to delegate an authority of a new law back
to the county. They made that very clear that you have the power, you have the authority. I asked for that meeting to have all the townships come in, lay it out for them how to take control of this. It'd be it'd be very simple, but they're not willing to do that. Then I
think that's an easy solution. We can do that at a at a later date here, but we're kind of wondering if this is going to be can be amended or this going to be in concrete now. What you guys decide today? But what we decide today is going
to be in place until it's amended if it would be amended again. Okay. Which it could be amended at any time. We would just have to go through through the process process. Um, as Commissioner Nelson has said, we're learning. Yeah. You know, as as we go, unfortunately,
with the the cannabis because it's been laid in our lap and and we're required to make these make these rules and we're doing last meeting, uh, excuse me, but the last meeting, uh, Commissioner Hansen asked if all the townships are in. I got one with me to give to you,
Carrie. Did some come in recently? I haven't. You haven't got So, there's still four and I talked to all four of them. He says we're on our works of sending them to you. But but my question is if they in my opinion the county board has kind
of shown its cards on its stance because they've approved a few and they put an ordinance in place. Why are these townships delegating this authority to them if they're that opposed to it? Why are they not taking it themselves? That's the question I asked H Highleand.
and I I have volunteered and our administrator is aware of this to have a meeting and lay this all out be very simple and then you make that decision but I don't think delegating this back and then I mean some of the phone calls I've been getting ain't been the friendliest and I
don't understand what I'm trying to say you have the ability to do it and we'll help you do it um but that's one thing we can do Kyle we can it takes a process to get all the township's email and get them in here a meeting in a couple weeks. Busy time of the year, but yeah,
I can if you're recommending that I can do that early on. I said no. Be go through. Well, and in all reality, it could wait until the fall meeting. I mean, we're there's going to be potential more permits that come, but Yeah.
As far as the township goes, well, each township they don't have to have a meeting. They can just do it individually. Mhm. and individual townships can come and do this. Yeah. You don't you don't need to have the group meeting. Well, that's why they didn't want to do it. But I mean I just want to explain to them here's the thing
and it so to be a discussion for you but let's just say we do and I don't want to do this for everything but given this hot topic with them we can enter into a joint powers agreement with them where our office administers all the paperwork does all the mailings is required for
all the statute requirements but the applicant has to come to your meeting to get approval your meaning meaning the individual challenger. Yes. and they will no longer come here. Again, that would individual townships or the once a twice a year township. No, individual.
So, if you have if there's an applicant in your township, they'd have to come to you. We'll handle the paperwork, but you have to make the determination. You have to give final approval. It's the same thing we do with the extra territorial thing with the six townships touching Detroit legs. Yes. And it would have to be that, you know, the county
board would have to agree to it um to enter into that or you could do it all on your own, which I know that's not favorable because no one knows what any of the volunteers and whatnot. But I I probably do agree with you that give them their chance, have this meeting,
you know, if you're willing to come and speak and then see what what shakes out of it and then go from there and if they make the final decision and work from that that and the state. Mr. chair, the the general consensus, and feel free to input, but the general consensus that I've seen is to if if we can get the
townships involved and let them make the decision. I mean, there's been I'm fine with the township taking control of any zoning want. Getting their input has been very important over the years, right? And we usually take what the townships say. Is that No, I would not
go that far. No, the planning and zoning commission does not abide by what the township is requesting. I've seen them go opposite. Exactly opposite. Okay. So you're saying if the township wants to have control, they need to take the the responsibility themselves, which is what
this would be doing, right, Kyle? On this specific topic. Yes. Well, whatever topic you're like, I wouldn't encourage a JPA for every item in our zoning ordinance. It would be a complete disaster. But something of this nature is easily handled. Okay. I think this is
a total deal because for 25 years, the townships have gone, you know, through the process and worked with you. you work with them and we need each other on a lot of a lot of process but the final thing you know has to come down to the county board but uh but find out what
they say probably some said no you get a mutual agreement majority or find it out can do that so I think thank you for your time on this and you know kind of know where majority of us stand
and uh Can I say one other thing? So when I was in Washington DC, I had five minutes with Congressman Pete Saber on land transfers and he's now don't know a lot about it, but the state I say we're opposed. I told him all that. It's our
state is going to make the probably the final thing because they're involved with Tamra, but uh he wants to know more. So he gave me information how to eventually get to talk to him so the congressman is up to date on this transfer stuff cuz he's way over there.
Very good. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks, Roger. Yep. Thank you. We're on 2A. Yep. So we have to I just want to make my my thoughts known.
Um I I do believe we do we need the setbacks on retail. Um I I can think of again we got several letters on I think it was two inlets specifically where there's a church right across from two
inlets. Yes. You know that that they just and that's definitely within 500 ft for sure. Yeah. It's directly across the highway. So I I do not support removing the the setbacks for for retail that we
have. Um that was that's been recommended from planning and zoning. Well, the planning and zoning recommended to keep the setbacks. The zoning ordinance recommended to eliminate the retail. Planning and zoning recommended to keep the setbacks
are re retail and then the other the then yeah the zoning ordinance recommended to get rid of them. Yep. So, I'm just saying I'm I believe we need them for retail again as this becomes more accepted
as you know it can it can change but I think in for now um for my district specifically which is quite large um I think are you making no I'm not yet so I
I would I would agree I I but I on the other side of that I think that we Should I'd be in favor of changing going with the recommendation here for the for the grow with the setback 100 ft. Yep. I'd be in favor of that. But I also
agree with your your deal on retail. I would I don't know. I don't know if maybe 500 is the exact number, but we I don't know what the exact number would be, but we can't I don't think we can make it a 100. I mean, I think as far as the school, I don't think No. No. And I mean I think that that's and and then
maybe and maybe the residential people living you know like in for example and back to inlets. Yeah. There's people that live there's people that live close to there but maybe that's not such a big deal cuz because it's already a restaurant to like store gas station.
I think there's somebody that lives right right yeah next to them you know inlets. I know there's um Shell or not Shell Lake Snellman. There's a little y um you know sunlight curies sunlight
curies yep all of them I mean I I don't see any issues in trying to administer it from a school a daycare library but a residence I think you residence is the one yeah decreasing that cuz otherwise you're just going to have v everyone will have a variance and if if
that's the idea that that's fine too Does anybody have any other thoughts? Where does it say residence in the right here? 500 ft from church, daycare, library, or residence on an adjacent property.
Where is it? On page 112. Right there. The second bullet. So the motion said remove the accept retail. I don't understand the Yeah, it's a little confusing. The planning commission. Yeah, I haven't. No motion has been made today. The planning
commission made a motion. The planning commission made a motion. It said to remove the except retail and and put everything back in. Yeah. Yeah. That that was a little convoluted. The whole idea was to keep them for retail and only reduce it for
grow. I know that Tommy did say I think he said that exactly except retail but to to strike that. Um yeah to get rid Yeah. I when I read that too. I'm going to have to word smith this whole thing. Yeah. After but just to get the idea that we want to keep what we have in
place for retail and amend for growing cultivation and manufacturing. Well, is there an on and off sale on this thing? I don't think so. So, well, so I mean, so what I'm saying is what is this retail store? You just go in there and
buy it and leave. Mhm. Yeah. But that is the question of what like all of these bars and liquor stores are already selling it. Um but it's from my understanding deprived from a different type of plant hemp and I don't
know. Oh, so it's different the stuff that's in the That's what I was told by the question you guys have about that too. I've been doing research and writing SOPs and work years now. So there
I mean there's like the gummies and the that's already been Yeah. I guess what I'm wondering is if you're just going to go in there and purchase something and leave, but if you're going to go in there and and actually smoke it or drink it or what
you eat, chew it, I guess, then that might be different if you live next if it's next to my house. But if they're And so is there is there a difference on how on how it's sold? Oh, because I mean a bar retails
retail doesn't right now. You can go to Sunlight and drink. That's what I mean. You can go to Sunlight and drink and drive through the guy's house next door. I mean, this is I'm just trying to see all the real concerns here, but it was supposed I I think there was a school
and a church and everything like that. I don't Oh, I think he just missed it. The residence thing is what because it says residence. Yeah, it does. 500 feet from a ch church, daycare, library, or residence on an adjacent property. Mr. Chair, Kyle, do you want to word
smith this or do we need to do take some action today or you said there's some things that need to be changed? the whole thing. I I will make a motion to leave our retail setbacks as current
as they currently are and decrease our growing setbacks to 100 ft on any property line or road rightway and also add cannabis waste material
shall not be incinerated for any type for any type of business. It's kind of what you had written in here. Yep. Yep. Okay. So, we have a motion by Erica. Do we have a second? I'll second that motion. So, we have a second by Richard. Do we have any
further discussion? What is our current retail then? Is that within for residence? Yeah. The current retail retail is everything that's the current retail is going to stay the same. Yeah. We're not changing the retail part of it. And I would be concerned if people were doing it there. That's the part
that would bother me. So, it does not include residence. Nope, it does. It does. So, it's 500 feet from a residence. Yeah, we Yeah, we might have Here's my thought. We can approve it this way and then if we come if a if a
resident if a a retail place comes to us, we can look at the ordinance again and see. Well, I don't know that we want to be that. I don't know. I don't looking at I mean, I don't think we want to look at every an ordinance every time we get a a permit. to me. So, I agree with Richard. 500 ft from a residence
doesn't seem very logical. Yeah. Well, it's going to make it I'm just saying make it hard. If you're going to let people do it, don't make it impossible and then let the tribe do whatever they want up there or, you know, we should be it's it should be a a fair playing field
and it and and I you know, I don't care what kind of business if it's legal. I I'm not here to say whether it's good or bad. I just I don't understand why they can make alcohol and right next to the coffee shop there and and
and you can drink it there and then run over a pedestrian and or whatever, but this guy can't grow it where nobody's using it. So that's I'm just it's just hard for me to I don't want to make things he can grow it there. Yeah, he just can't sell it there. That's what I
mean. That's why I'm saying I understand about places where the actual product is being sold or used. Well, that's what we're talking about. We're we're only 100 ft from residents for growing, right? Yeah. Yes. So, we're at 500 ft. Yeah. And I don't know what to say about
that because I don't know if they can consume it there or if they can take it home with them and they can't consume. We're not We don't That doesn't normally You don't go in a liquor store and drink. Well, no, but you do go into the a lot of them. You do
you go into sunlight that's next to that house out there and you can I've seen crawl out of there. That's supposed to be a different type of It's deprived from hemp, not cannabis. Oh, yeah. But I'm just saying the alcohol. Okay. You can go into a a bar and drink unless
it's like an off leave there. Well, if they have an onoff sale in pretty tough shape. So that's why I this is that's what would concern me on how this is working with him. He's growing it. Nobody's consuming it. And so I'm having a hard time understanding and so that's
that's why I I'm for this 100 foot for him. I don't know about the retail part because I don't know all the Well, you seconded my motion. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why I do not on retail though, was it?
Oh, it's 100 ft. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's still 500,000 retail retail, right? That's what I'm saying. So, the retail, so the motion is the retail is the same. We're changing the um we changed the set back to 100 ft on grow and whatever the
wording were. And then we and all cannabis waste material must cannot be incinerated. Correct. That's the that's that's the motion we have. All right. So, we have a motion, a second. Do we have any other discussion? Just Mr. Mr. Chair, just to be clear, when when we do that, then we we should restore that
that setback shall be measured from property lines for that residential stuff. Um, for the simple reason that if if you have 500 ft from a residence on an adjacent property and that property, let's just say that property is vacant next to
you, you if you didn't measure from the property line, you'd be prohibiting people from building on a vacant lot that they currently own. So, we that's the discussion we had in the past. I just like to restore that. I'll amend my motion. Amend it. Are you good? I want to do that.
Yes. Yes. All right. So, we have a motion and a second. Do we have any more discussion? All right. All in favor? I have a I have a comment then. You know, the 100 ft on a on a on growing was an arbitrary number. It's between 100 and
you know, we discussed 200 150. Um, I mean, we we kind of made the assumption that if you if you I mean, I I just don't like the thought of having to apply for a variance before you even get even a permit
done. I'm just wondering if if I it just it troubles me that we're having this discussion on a a small piece of, you know, it's basically applying for per variances before we even approve anything. Mhm. I I have heartburn on that. I don't So I'm
one is the 100 foot the right amount of setback on a on growing. What? Okay. What what what would be your So say say you want it to be what would be the reasoning? And that's I'm just looking
for a good reason. If somebody give me a good reason, I'd be glad to. I'm looking at the the if you look at an example the number of buildings then within that footprint of that buildable area it could be all I
mean it it I don't have a you know I'm just still mudding through this whole ordinance and it's and it's hard to visualize hard to know the negative impacts on this. Now, if there was a I don't know. I'm not I'm not so that
it's wrong. I just don't know. Well, that's what I've given it a lot of thought and I I I just I just want to make sure I want to if there's an actual if there's actual harm here coming to somebody, but I'm I'm finding it hard to understand how a
something grown inside and then packaged up and hauled away. That's I'm I'm trying to look at how that affects people around it and and I think some of the some of the issues that we've heard on previous ones, especially at the
planning commission, is there's a fear that having these types of facilities in rural area will bring more crime. People will try to break into this these facilities. You're out in the middle of nowhere. It's going to take more time to respond to the and they're going to rob
you when they go by or they're after. I mean, he's the guy criminal activity to the community. Okay. So, that's what I mean. So, they're going to rob him and then siphon gas out of your lawnmower. Okay. Well, I don't I don't know that that's going to happen. That's why and I But that's
that's the main and I know there's so many fears and I I have a lot of fears in this world, too. I'm in fear all the time from a lot of different things. That's why having big setbacks push them in a real area. Yeah. And so, that's what that's the other thing. You don't
get you don't get a response time um when you have to be on a 40acre parcel. Yeah, that that's why that's why I think the 100 foot setback is appropriate because now it doesn't force everything to go way out into a rural area with by having a 500 set foot setback because
you can't I don't know. I just I I I don't see the issue since everything is enclosed. Um it's it's fenced in, it's secured. I just don't see the issue. I don't see the issues with growing. No, I don't either. Are we in in this
ordinance, are we requiring fencing around the structure? I mean, all structures. I think they do. They do. Yeah. The exact language says security provisions for fencing and lighting, but the state requires it. Fencing. Who?
Six foot security fence. Can I ask question? Yes, please go ahead. Come up to the Yeah. Yeah. So with the with the growing like is the concern neighbors that kind of stuff. So
you guys do 500 foot from residents. What? Like instead of property line because um depending on what it is, you just do like the facility like 500 foot from a adjacent residence because it gets you further away from houses if that's the concern. But then they can still put it
whatever's optimal within their property and then you have a larger setback um than just 100 foot from the property line because I can put 100 foot from the neighbor's house if they're right on the property line. Um, so if it's if the concern is like neighbors, then why not do like 500 foot from the proposed
facility layout to because just because there is a there is not a house there now doesn't mean that there won't be. So your neighbors may be 500 ft but they tear the house burns down need to build a new one. Now we're restricting where they can build their house on their own
property because of that setback from that facility. Yeah. Yeah, that's why you need to go by if you go by the property line, then it doesn't matter. Yeah, it would prohibit them from subdividing their property and selling lots or anything like that. I I think
we I think we you I think there's a way you don't negatively impact them because if they if they choose to build after you know after something's established and you choose to do something there there's no restrictions on you building closer to that facility
than that facility building initially. I mean we certainly can't have a I mean I understand your your thought process on um so I mean I I regardless we just can't have a negative impact on the joining property whichever way and I
think yeah and and by having 100 foot setback from the property line is not a negative impact on property adjacent properties I I don't believe I I think that's a once we have things are going to change.
We have a motion and a second. Um, so are we have any more any more discussion? I think we are ready to vote. So we uh we have a motion and a second. So all in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. Same sign. All
right. Motion carries. All right. Now let's go back to letter E. We're and we're right here. Okay. Could you pop up that uh screen on the buildings on the property? This one. Yeah. This is your proposed what you would
want this your site to. So you're you're ask this was the initial um at the last meeting when we came in we had a um alternate map um that took into account the 100 foot setback. Um so it was in a slightly different location for that.
I don't think I have any with me. I can check. But this was the initial um so this didn't meet the 100 foot setback. Meet the 100 foot setback. um the buildings that are located inside and the the grow area and everything is the same. It will just be moved um to meet
the 100 foot setback. It'll have to get moved about 50 ft south from that location. So you meant you mentioned the 30x40 and the 6x2. Now it's there's the hoop house and then the small greenhouse marked there.
What's the 8x32 trailer? Uh that is a mobile office. That is where our electricity goes in, our security system, um storage, uh paperwork, filing. Um with the OCM laws, we can have stuff in our residence like uh
through the garage and that kind of stuff where it's not attached, but we felt it would be better to have it all within the perimeter fence um so it was secure. So it's a mobile trailer or a mobile office. Um everything
is temporary buildings. The everything can be moved except for the fence. Um so the fence the plan was wherever we put it then to extend it to the small fence area we already have like we go to sell or move or move the facility at a later
date and then to utilize that fence as part of a fence backyard. Um everything else is temporary. It can all be moved. It's not permanent structures. What's the pole shed? Is that uh it's a Versa Tube building. Um that's covered storage and that kind of stuff. We're trying to keep everything. It's a plastic hoop
building. It's metal. A metal. Yep. It's a Versa tube. So it's like a metal um carport like you would go to my arts and buy and put up. Um so the the attempt is to keep everything not only contained within the fence but also contained within each
building. Um, so nothing is going to be uh done and like grown outside in full view and left outside. Everything's going to be in interior. And then the OCM rules are extremely strict um on what we're allowed to do and how everything is
done. Um it is all like this. It has to be within those buildings and we are not allowed to expand without a bunch of permissions and inspections and that kind of stuff too. So, Mr. Chair, one question. Is the proposed
electrical already in? No. No. We are going to have a um electrician come out and do tell us what's going to be best based on where it's located and and do the electrical stuff. This is all just proposed. We have to get all this approved before we can even get the final license. Uh we can't start
building. We can't start putting anything in anything. So approved by the state approved by the state by the you guys and then back through OCM and then they have to come um and they actually I can send you guys stuff back to make sure
that that it's approved. There's still several steps before we can even start doing anything. So in that drawing 50 feet this way basically 50 ft south and then back probably 20 ft because there's some trees. Okay. That
we have to work around like the the root systems and stumps and stuff when we move that. Um so we can meet the 100 foot set back. um we we will still be going to the variance because we were told um previously that we needed it and so we
are um still asked to have it moved that way it's better screen and further for neighbors um and less visual because that would be better for the community for where we're at. Um but if not then we we will still be able to do it there.
So my understanding and the only way to get a a variance is if you can't meet the setup. Yeah. And I think and I think setbacks we we've already paid and been once so we'll go again and um so more than likely we'll just have to move it. But
we do need to set back and then that setback also limits us like we won't be able to expand the the idea because we are so small is to start with this and then if it does work out and we were able to do everything um to then look at purchasing property
somewhere else and moving and if we expand um which you would have to come back anyways in order to expand. It wouldn't if if we don't limit it. If we if we if we if you make a motion to
approve the plan limiting it to the proposed 30x40 hoop building that and as this is proposed then they would but if you don't if you just say approve then you have up to 5,000 square foot hoop building. So you and so you would it
depends on how you word it is what I'm saying as long as they meet the setbacks. As long as they meet the setbacks. If you if you don't word it as inclusionary to what their plan is, then they could put another one out in front of the house if they wanted. Yeah. Well, we're not going
to put a security fence and hoop houses in the front of our property. We uh we we can't go on what you say you we have to so what's what would be allowed if you don't whether you have to live there too. So so uh do we have a motion? No,
we don't have a motion yet. Okay. Trailer. What? So really what we're looking at is that 30x 40. That's the only building that falls into what we're talking about. Well, those are the the grow spaces. Those are where the actual live
plants will be grown. So, the 8 by 32, that's a mobile home. Office. It's an office. Um, you see the state, the city has them. They're like a job. It's like a construction office. Yes. It's a It's a
mobile office. It's a It's got a hitch on it. You move over the vehicle. It's got electrical in it and desks and windows and it's mobile office. The 10 x 10 is that an indoor site for compost? Um that
is not indoor. Um that is going to be we've we've spoken with the EPA and and talked about what we meet for like we are considered a small I can't remember the exact like
something minimal use something I can't I don't remember the exact wording but we've spoke with them um about what we can and can't compost and the size um and so that is our just marked off area where we're going to put in compost. I don't know if it's going to be um it'll
be at minimum on some sort of a platform or in barrels or slab. It just depends. I don't like as of right now it's not fully enclosed. It's not in a building. Um our our compost is what they call
deminimus. It's very small. Um and then anything that is considered hazardous waste or anything like that, we actually have to go up to the PUM waste management facility where they
will take care of everything. I believe it is the prairie. I don't know. I had a meeting last week. I don't know anything about nobody brought that up. Wasn't on the agenda. Speaking with um some people from I believe EPA who the EPA the phone
number he called and we talked to somebody there and asked him about um the compost stuff. They gave us all the RCWs and what we would meet. We still have to have several inspections like we have to have a environmental hygienist come out to make sure that we
meet all um wastewater and waste management standards. The OCM has them come out and do inspections and well I think I think that's beyond what we're yeah it's it's extremely regulated trying to figure out
today. Um, so when you move move you when you can't meet don't want to meet that 100 foot, it goes closer to the federal wildlife area. It goes further away from the federal wildlife area, but it goes closer to residences and then it'll be
more visible from the the road. Yeah. But that's not what you're asking for. You're asking for the opposite. You want to move it closer to that federal property where there's which isn't a discussion. Yeah. Yeah. That's for the that's for the board of That would be for the board of adjustments. you can come to that one. It'll be very
interesting and I'll be happy. So, I'll make a motion to approve this permit um following all setbacks. I mean, I don't know what else there's saying the house sizes. Yeah.
You saying the sizes with it with according to the those sizes? Yes. So, if we want to change anything as far as point of order. Point of order. Yeah. We got to get a motion. So, hold on. We have a I'll second. So, now we have a motion in second. Do we have any
discussion? Just texted Prairie Lakes. They cannot burn cannabis there. So, that's not true. They said they can't won't do it. They said they can't do it. It could be. We could We're maybe not even talking
about Bear Lakes. It could be just some There's lots of ins. I just said it cuz I thought that that was so now so now what so just to be clear the the motion that we just made in the second is to approve exactly what that diagram has. No no is limiting the is limiting the
sizes of the buildings and all of the buildings for that in that diagram. Smaller Oh you can Oh yeah. Yeah. That's as large as they can be. That's the limitation is that those building sizes is what I would interpret. Yeah. Okay. That's what I that's what I meant when I said exactly. Okay. I but not
necessarily in that spot because that's not within the setbacks. No. And I I seriously have trouble with applying for a per applying for a variance on something that that and I know you I know we were told to I don't I didn't know anything about what was going on.
You had to you were at 500 We are at 500 ft. If you wanted to apply here, you had to. Not there's What I'm saying is you I I I struggle with this on a on the you know, you barely have enough area to do much of anything on a 5 acre lot with the setback. So, um I can't I can't
support it because of the setbacks on the property or that the footprint inside there is going to be so small and um I don't know. It just seems seems like it's it's kind of a it's I struggle with
with this location because it's on such a small piece. With the 100 foot setback, I think your your usable area is probably maxed out on just those. So, and that was the idea with the the small the micro Yep. the facility. If we do
expand, we we were going to look at purchasing land and moving. And so, that was the whole the thing. We we were starting small and staying small while they and and and I think that by approving that footprint, we are saying that that's all you can do. Mhm. Yeah.
And I'm okay with that as long as that's all you can do. And I know you're in a pretty rural rural spot there. Um, but when you start putting mobile offices out there on wheels and I mean I it just starts to I I start to look at
is it a positive or a negative in that area? Well, ain't there a big junkyard across the road from Dwight or is that going Well, house right across the street has got piles of tires. Yeah, it's it's a not a there's some and I don't want to
start picking on people. We're getting to the nuisance ordinance, but it's not a real beautifification process out there. We're going to do a whole ordinance update. I don't So, let me be clear. You got Let me get clear that you are concurring with planning and zoning
with the with the maximum building sizes as established. So, is that correct? And you're good with that on second? Y. All right. So, we have a motion, a second. Any more discussion? Okay. All in favor signify by saying I. I. Opposed.
Opposed. Okay. So, let's do a roll call. Barry. No. No. Erica. I. Phil. No. I I I All right. Motion passes. Yeah. I'm going to let you off the hook on the next two, but we're going to go back to the first one.
Yeah. Back to the cannabis one. Yeah. cuz it it it's really easy to administer some for growing when you say that it only has to be 100 ft from property lines and we don't mention schools, daycarees, things like that.
But when we were talking about limitations on property outside of the parcel where they're applying, I think we could work on that somehow because if there is no church there, a church can't go there in the
future next to it. Yes, they can. I mean, no, because you'd be making this cannabis business non-conforming as soon as that church goes there because it no longer meets a step back. We you'd have to if an it would be called grandfathering in it would but it
and and that's but but that you but it's a if it's 100 ft from the property line it doesn't matter cuz it's the the we're talking about retail. Oh retail retail. Yeah. The growing the that one's easy now. Yeah. You I thought you stated that it was property line is when you when
you clarified that that was for the 100 foot. Yes. No, no. You he you said property line on all of those. But now the church So essentially retail have to be 500. You'll have to have a retail store 500
ft from every property line. That's what you'll have to have cuz that's how we said measured from property line. So but when you throw church in there now that's thousand ft and that says measure from property line. Now you're thousand ft.
So that that language is not clear. And the reason I said that is because as soon as we skipped on to this, I thought about someone coming in to apply, which will happen. I'm like, how am I going to administer this or interpret this? What is what is the goal? Is it
as today? Like, okay, I come in, I want to I want to put a cannabis store in the mall parking lot. I got to be 500t from property line, but then do I have to be as a crow flies just you know what I mean? I I think the setbacks shall be
measured from property line for the growing. Yeah. Yeah. You It was It was motioned and clarified that it was 500 ft from property line or property line from any retail also. It was clarified. So that's what was approved. That's what we approved. Yes. And what about liquor? I
want to go back to liquor again. Can that go I don't want to talk liquor cuz that's I I just want to get this ironed out. going to come in and I need to know how to do this. So, let's stick with one thing here, Mr. Chair. But we're going to have this is going to What I'm saying though, this is a big thing. Is it is it
different than why? Yes, it is. But I I'm I know how to administer a liquor store right now. I need to know how to administer this. Well, we ought to do it just like a liquor store. I don't know why we wouldn't. Well, you you second the motion that changed on grow. Are we talking retail
or growing? We're talking We're talking retail. Retail only. Growing. Growing is not. We're done. Yeah. That's what That's what I'm trying to get the grow thing going. Yep. Okay. Let's get that straightened out. Yep. Now we're talking about retail. Now we're talking about retail. Why would it be any different
than a liquor store or a bar? That's all I I'm asking. If somebody can tell me that, I'd gladly go along with it. I'm just want somebody to tell me later. I need to know how to We Well, I know it. But the motion was made. It's done. But I need to know what your intent was so I
can interpret it and apply it. So when somebody just take a piece of property and I want to apply for I'm the applicant. How do you what what did it what did our ordinance say previously? Did it say retail from property line?
Did it say from the it did so that's what it currently is right now then because that's what we motioned it not to change that. I don't I think our our setbacks are extreme. Yeah. But if you want to go with that, I think you have to acknowledge that somebody an example
a church coming in, they are exemp they're not we're not putting restrictions on where they can go because there's a cannabis store. So that cannabis store would be in a grandfathered in because they're already established when a church moves in some closer. So a church has tried what's the
difference between a well because this way I'm looking at it now. If you put a well here you can't have a drain field here. Is this that's a complete That's what I That's how I am. That's why I'm saying it doesn't matter whether it's not grandfathered. Yeah. So I tell people when you're planning your
property, let's get this here and this here so we don't screw up everything in the We're talking numerous owners of properties. You're not talking one owner and you're not talking a health concern about septic and wellwater. You're talking about you can't limit you don't want to limit someone building something
within a setback from something else. I mean, you can't I if if you put a cannabis store on your property now, I want to build something that doesn't that falls out on my property. You don't want to you don't want to restrict me from what I can do on my property. I absolutely don't. But I don't want to I
I don't want to change this into something. But I can do that. If I drill a well on my property, I can restrict what's on yours. That's where this and that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's the way it works. And I see it. I drill a well on my property line now 50 ft of your property is useless for a drain field. So So what we what we have
approved currently right now setbacks is what I'm saying and that's what I'm trying to avoid and that's what I'm so what we currently have approved right now are the setbacks are from the property line. So that doesn't affect the other people whatsoever will. But now we're going to say if you want to
retail you have to at least have a 500. I know that that to me is is ridiculous. But Mr. Chair, can I can I make a suggestion that we send this back to subcommittee uh planning and zoning or zoning ordinance or do you
need to know now? Because I mean, we did that for a reason. We eliminated all that for a reason to come into compliance with everything else we do. Now, I I didn't think about this either. Um but maybe we need to revisit what we had originally done. Well, if we can
leave Yeah, let's Did we do that in zoning or was that planning and zoning or advisor? Yeah. So, I can take it back for We'll leave the 100 in place and the 500 as of now, but we do need to clarify it for when we get a retail in front of
us. It's going to be hard to interpret what Well, we can't we if a retail store goes up, you can't stop a residential from going up 500 within 500 ft of it, which was what I was trying to avoid to say measure it from property line property lines. But
yeah, that that really limits the retail spot. That's what I'm Well, it does, but you even if but it doesn't affect the neighbors. Let's say we agree that what we passed was okay. Let's say we still can't I still don't want to harm the adjoining property owner on what they can do on their property. I don't think
you are. If you say we're going from the property line, you're not harming them. Well, they can do whatever they want. What if you what if you want to What if you want to build a school or a church with that's within that's outside of that 500t property line. There's no church. Well, that would be the only
thing that would affect that. Okay. Or a daycare. Or daycare. Well, you want to put a daycare next to you. Yeah. Okay. Now I understand. So that's where I mean because there are greater restrictions than just a property line. Yeah, I gotcha. So if if if so if it's 500 ft from a
residential place or what residence and then there's no church or school school or daycare there couldn't be unless was according to our ordinance it couldn't be unless it was a thousand feet away. Right. Okay. I think what I'll do I think so here's and here's part of the
problem. from the ordinance advisory committee has a completely different opinion than the planning commission. That's an issue. We have to hold a public hearing, but to change anything, but I think I'll just bring you some language directly. Um, and because we
can't get those two groups to agree, so that's a problem. Just have a public hearing here. Yes. Yeah. You know what, Kyle? I think we could if we presented all of this together. I I think we're we're coming from two different sources. Yeah, but some of the biggest opposition
wasn't at their last meeting and we will be. So, I mean, I I have to say I'm not going to agree to no setbacks for retail. I mean, it doesn't mean if you guys I mean, if you guys do and I'm voted out I'm voted out. I'm just saying I'm not going to agree right to just
from the from use to use, you know. Yeah. Or may maybe in residential that's what we have to do to make it more clear. The only what about in city limits then? These don't apply to Detroit Lake city limits. How about Lake
Park and the small cities being they passed it on to us. They haven't passed it on to us. Yeah. That Ottoman Lake Park has not breezy has they have their own right. Have they any any city? They're Yeah, they'll have to do their own. Oh, they
haven't done any yet. We haven't in a while. No. Okay. And all that. Not to my knowledge. We get all 37. Well, then then that's good with the Is that good with the board that Kyle brings it back to them and then or you write something up for us? We I mean look at it. I don't
know. I look at five, you know, if you're looking 500 ft from a property line of a joining residence, where where can you put one? Where can you put it? That's what I'm saying. Where can you put it? Can't put one anywhere. Anywhere. I mean, in the middle in the middle of nowhere.
I don't understand why yet why they would do that. Yeah. Not going to explode. It's not going to This is the part that gets Well, there's no propane there. So, well, that's what you know. I mean, sorry. I would put it back on. I know. Go ahead, Phil. Sorry, Mr. Chair.
I'd put this back on Kyle to come with some language. You've got to enforce it. I tell people to go to you when they ask me questions. come up with something reasonable, explain it well, and and let's go from there because I mean, we're just we're just spitballing here. So, is planning and zoning and really I
mean zoning ordinance. I mean, we spent a little more time there, but come up with some suggestions that you can enforce. Is that we had them at the advisory committee that was enforceable and it that's well then yeah, but um the other two I got to work with the DNR to
get an approval on. Um the third one, so the retaining walls I got to get approval from them. So, that was tabled. And then the third one, I think we already have something in place um in our shoreline section of our ordinance. So, I think we're probably good there, but I'm just going to keep it on the
docket in case not. Um so, that leaves us with just that nuisance um discussion. I'd like to add to the nuisance discussion any cannabis growing or smelling. Yeah. Well, we obviously have a few very
blight properties. Um Erica has one in her district. Um I have one in mine. There's one out here by the Ottertale River. So that I just have to say is getting worse. Yes. So what we have mechanisms in place um that
that would be a violation of our ordinance. Um the problem that happens is we go through the whole procedure, it gets to court um and it kind of for lack of better term dies there. Um, oftentimes there's a lot of mental
health going on with these individuals and these property owners. I don't want to speak for every judge, but I think you're going to have a hard time with one issuing a bench warrant for somebody with too many cars on their property or something of that nature.
So, what we tried to do is I elevated a little bit of the presence by going out with Sheriff Blander to these individually unannounced, hoping that that would entice people to not have him there. Um, that didn't work. So, the
suggestion I have for you is is to go through a court order process with them and and clean them up um ourselves and then assess that cost. Um because I just don't believe you're going to have any buyin for the property owners themselves
to to do this. I mean, we've we've tried. So, we go, Mr. Chair, we go clean them up. We put it back on their taxes to pay for it. they can't pay for it, the the property becomes tax forfeited. I mean, if you take that all the way in
worst case scenario, I mean, that's what could happen, right? So, we have to have the intestinal fortitude to follow through with that. So, to me, it's a balance again. The the person with mental health or whatever issue they have, hoarding, whatever, um, versus all the neighbors, how do you how do you
balance that out? Is that is that what we're talking about here? 100%. I I'm just Yeah. Um, but you know, just so you know, Phil, you know, and and maybe drug abuse is a mental health issue. Okay? I don't know. It is. But that's what
that's what's going on at these places that are doing this. It's not just somebody who's a little off. They're they're on some really bad stuff. And if they're my neighbor and you take their property and make them move away, I
would shake your hand because I have little kids and grandkids and people who are doing methamphetamine. I I don't believe they if you're if you're putting something into your body that's making you be that
person, you should go somewhere else and do it. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Varberg, I mean, maybe they have children and grandchildren, too. Well, keep them away from them too then. Well, I I just if we're going to go forward with this I mean and and then where do you draw the line at what's a nuisance property?
Well, that's that's their discussion. I don't disagree with any of this. I think that we could address them one by one because I've been to these properties and I can't believe that one any of us would want that for our neighbor or say
I don't want to fix it. Uh, one of them out here, they're up all night burning stuff and the guy, they can't, so the neighbors can't have their windows open. Uh, the other one out here, they're threatening people, and they've taken all the common property and piled junk there. Well, that's the other thing with
us. So, we I have sent people there. One of the public defenders said, "Do not go back there cuz he's threatened to kill you." Um, we sent another guy. Um, he ended up getting spit on in a wrestling match and the cops were there. Um, so it's probably one of the most difficult
things to enforce and we don't get a lot of buy in when you tell somebody to clean their stuff up. They just, you know, I wonder if we can come up with some kind of policy of steps we need to take. I was some of them being, you know, no, we don't have it. we don't
have anything in place. But some of them being offering making a referral to human services for mental health or like somehow having some kind of a and maybe maybe we need to put something in place
with your office, Kyle, Sheriff's Department, human services, Steve, a joint effort to come up with a plan to address these. And if we address it that way and and the property owner refuses any
help, then we have we know what our next step is and we can tell the courts that we've tried and there's nothing we can do. There are properties that I feel like we need to do something about because they are a danger to neighbors
and it is not fair. The one out at my house every spring or not my house. I was going to say your own my district self self-reporting I guess they they the neighbors have to go through and clean out the field and pick bags and bags of
garbage. We're not talking junk cars and we're talking garbage out of the fields before they can do their field work. I'd be willing to look at them as a board oneonone. Go out and look at them. Does this seem like something you'd want next
to your house? I mean, um, I think they do have to be looked at one by one. I think some of them are not dangers. I I think an extra car is not a danger, but if the people are if they're if they're on drugs and doing things that they
That's Yeah, I mean I You can clearly see it. They're up all night. It's not Well, I know, but yeah, we just I can't go into court and say you're on drug. So, Mr. Mr. Chair, um Kyle, I want to go on the process. You said you've been down this
road before. Yes. I mean, Erica said we don't have a process. Do we have a process? We just we've got to court and we just don't 100%. I mean, again, I'm not saying that the court hasn't said go clean your property up. They have, but
when the folks don't do it, I don't think the court is going to put somebody in jail or for not complying. Yes. That's so next question is this. What kind of resources in time and actual dollar? So the county goes in there at county expense and cleans up the
property and then we we bill it back to them which they probably won't pay or can't aren't able to pay. One example it it was extreme obviously but there was one prior to me where they did this. That's where I got the idea. um because you know they're just they're
not complying and and obviously your constituents are upset and they don't think we're doing anything and that's not could be be further farther from the truth because in Erica's district cops have been there I you've been there handful of times. Um, so I think she
Commissioner Jeepson could be on to something with some type of little small task force where you do you take the PCA, you take environmental, you take the sheriff, and you take our office and Well, there certainly has to be some mechanism like mean the city has
ordinances. I mean, that we I mean, and they're a lot they they're pretty strict on what you can do in your property in in the city limits in Detroit Lakes. They have actually I think someone well they have I'm sure they have staff that monitor it quite well and probably get
more complaints than we do and on small things. So um it it is a balancing act but there's no question on some of these that there needs to be improvements. I mean we're not talking about the neighbor fighting against neighbor. We're talking about um significant deficiencies and and mental health. I
mean you have to almost have mental health issues if you're living in that type of in some of those situations. So, um recognize there is and some of them are obviously have other things but such as law breaking
things that they're probably but so well in district one they were living in boats on that property. Mhm. And yeah, and sometimes when they get so bad the these folks don't have the means to clean it up. I mean, it gets so out
of control that out of out of control, overwhelming. Like, how do you, you know, you tell them to bagg five bags of garbage up a week and bring it and it's gonna I mean, it's not it's not feasible. Um, and they don't have they don't have the resources. I mean, I'm
thinking of mine like it it would take thousands of dollars in my the one in my district that in order to to get it. I'm sure there's numerous types of issues that we're dealing with with hoarding or you know that are you know you like you watch TV. Some of those are just mental
health I mean serious mental health issues. Um in other cases you know there could be a drug usage or you know or something like that that would trigger these you know unkempt properties. So I I think you have to kind of address it as a you
know you know get get your steps here and if this is the problem go this way and you know there are different avenues to travel if depending upon the problem and I don't I think it's something we can should look into and and so what is our direction to carry then
I I want to know what's going to cost I want to know in hours and um and in dollars I mean the potential do we have a budget for this have to put it out for bids each one individually and we have if you're doing it back to the property so they you know and then they can't pay
and then and then we got another forfeited what we're what we're you know if I'm their neighbor that's I'm not opposed to it I I just I have you have you looked at any of them where is Yeah I looked at the one on Brandy Lake where is your road tour going today it's not a
road tour we're just going we're just going out to locks I think we were going to try to go to uh I don't got I don't got any out there. So Carrie, did you get direction on that? I mean I I don't know if I No, I mean Richard and I could bring it up the proposal at human
services at our meeting next week just to see what their thoughts are. I mean because it really it really is about I I think it's a collective a collective like who do you need at the table a task for because again you have people that have properties they don't probably have
the resources. You can tell them to clean it. it's not going to happen. But then if we go in, we've got expenses. If we're going to clean it, if that works, takes time, energy, money, and then if you clean it, then it does it go right back if you don't deal
with the issues strictly on the aesthetics or are we looking at inside the home to where there's No, I don't think we're looking inside the home. It just I'm looking at impacts to the neighbors. Okay. burning all night and
up all night. Garbage garbage this deep across the property. I mean, that that that that to me is an impact to neighbor threats when you stop in front of a house and if there's threats there. Um putting putting your stuff on other people's property. Well, I think that
too, but also the inside could escalate to impact neighbors if you have rodent issues, if you have those kinds of things as well, which can all be environmental issues, which is why you need to collaborate with planning, zoning,
mental health, environmental. You shouldn't be burning. You shouldn't be burning out on You can't burn garbage. It's illegal. Yeah, you can't burn it. Well, these these according to the neighbor over here, they burn it almost. Well, there's people burning garbage all over this county. I'll tell you that. But well, and maybe there's something
out there, some model that some other counties or entities have done about how to deal with some of these issues. Mr. Chair, you got one other issue. You don't? Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead, Roger. The tribal because we tried that 25 years ago, 22 years ago to do that work
with the tribe. Okay. We had the county plus the tribe going to do the the the ordinance person on a wider scheme says you got to stop election is one month away you know for the tribal so you have
that issue there and there's enough of it we have them in our township but you also on this side the reservation you can do other things but once you move there you got them to deal with it also just my comment if you have any discussion you want to include the
traffic Yes. Mhm. Tribe a lot. Yeah. I think so, too. I mean, because I'm sure I mean, you want mental there's mental health issues. Everyone would like to offer help, you know, and I I mean, there's some criminal activities separate than mental health issues. I think separate and I think there is a
big difference there. And if it is if it is a mental health issue, yes, I I want to be more compassionate. But if you're if it's something you're putting into your body and you're deciding whether whether it's whatever it is, if it if if
you're even if it's heavy alcohol use and you're screaming in your underwear, I don't know, whatever. If you're doing it to yourself, well, that that's really easily that's disorderly and you can call the cops and fix that right now. That I can't fix the junk, but I can fix somebody in their underwear drinking. I
mean, I think that's that's the struggle here, Kyle. We're talking about I I think we're talking about two separate issues. Talking about behaviors of those that live there. Yeah. And their how it's in in interfering with their neighbors and we're talking about
the actual property. And I think what we need to tackle is the property. Property and then the law enforcement gets county involved. Yeah. All right. So, we we're going to you're going to bring it to your committees. You're going to bring those. All right. Sounds great. Any anything further on that? No. All right.
So, we are journed. Good. So, I I just have to say I have to be back by 1:30. I think a half hour away. So, I think I'm going to want to go. We want our re