e e e my ringer off do that to hey before we get started I have a complaint there's one person sitting up here that called a travel on my daughter and I want I want some satisfaction
right now what do you think you're doing think of all the calls that I didn't call how dare you dare everybody knows that Barry's daughter does not violate any basketball
violation rule made the shot too all right good morning everyone um we will start our meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to
the repic which stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all I find hard for you call it's just I look at those
now say I mean they look goofy so it's okay we uh do we have any changes to the agenda or or additions or subtractions um Mr chair um I got information late yesterday and I would like to add under
the administrator and uh Steve sco can certainly come in and explain or answer any questions okay you have a memorandum um in front of you that I placed um it's memor memorandum for action for regional planning for demolition waste okay so
we'll add that to number five under your report is there any other uh additions to the agend all right so I will uh entertain a motion to approve the agenda I'll make a motion to approve the
agenda we have a motion by Erica do we have a second second second by Barry any discussion all in favor of approving the agenda signified by saying I I I opposed motion
carries all right minutes from January 21st do we have any corrections to the minutes I just have one uh gamical change on uh page four uh Swanson spelled wrong I don't know if you care
that matters but it's not the yep I noticed that one that was the only thing I had Carrie did you know that I noticed that one I just let you guys do the I just want you to know that notic um anybody else I didn't have any on the same page
page four it says right at the bottom it says being no further Business board chair okas I don't think he was here I don't think he was here so it would be board chair my just got used to good
catch are there not any other any other Corrections or changes to the minutes no okay I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes from January motion by Phil have a second I'll second second by Erica all in favor signify by
saying I I oppos motion carries uh consent agenda do we have anything in the consent agenda that anybody would like to pull out uh how are we C can we ask just some basic questions here or do we pull them out and put them in a different uh usually we pull them out and we put them in the
commit in we decided to put them under the county administers report is that correct K yes uh I I item two and made him seven I just had an additional probably simple question but we we can well let's do it right now go go item
number two so item two the charitable gaming gaming at hotel shm is that brand new this year or is that just is that ongoing Mary would you like to answer that you know you have to for each each
raffle you have to get a new one a new you know so if you get a ongoing one that's for the like pull tabs but for each raffle for each event you need a new one and I mean every event so Corman Lions get one for the spring sale I you
know and then they get one in the fall for boat I mean so you so so the Detroit Lake Youth Hockey Association at hotel shm that that's a onetime raffle I believe this one is a is this one a one time or that's this one is a one is this the first
year oh okay all right I was just they flip they switched every once I know the Corr Sportsman's Club lost one site and another group is coming in there to take that so I mean they do flip I mean they've always had P tabs there so it's probably a renewal but okay that's
that's enough um item seven the letter of support for Lutheran Social Services I remember reading a few years ago Lutheran social social services didn't they go out of business or was that in North Dakota that was in North Dakota that was in North Dakota and the Lutheran Social Services in minnesot
must be mm yeah Lutheran Social Services has been in Detroit Lakes here for a long time many many many many years and they and it's a little different than the Lutheran Social Services that you're thinking of I think you're thinking of the one that did like
Refugee yeah th this the Lutheran Social Services here primarily provides um Mental Health Services I did not know that but no I do thank you does anybody else have any well just to comment on that I and I so when some sometimes when you see those like Lutheran soci Social
Services and you hear the the discussions you know at the national level you you want to make sure that you know those you know because that was there was just some discussion on cuts and and but you know this one's a local and it's supporting this one's just apply for them to apply for a grant to
get funding to help our people here I mean I look pretty closely at that one too thinking ah is this one is this something that we should you know be be going forward with but I I thought it was reasonable so uh I just want to clarify one thing about the consent agenda too we decided
to if we have stuff we need a department head to come in and discuss that's why we decided if we would do that we'd move them to the commission County Minister but if we can discuss it ourselves and answer the questions then so going forward if I've got questions on the consent agenda I should let you know no
no no no no do it here you have the option to pull it further discussion not comfortable with but get the questions answered here we need the department head then we'll put it on the agenda blower know under car's report and then that department head can come in and
explain okay is there any other uh consent agenda items that would like to be pulled all right I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved uh second second second by Barry
any further discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I oppose motion carries all right Commissioners open Forum do we have anybody on the open Forum I can read so we have a number of people so we
we're going to please uh we're going to request that you please limit your time to 5 minutes so we'll try to hold you to that so the first person is Rick Michaelson and when you come up please state your name and your address please good morning morning Rick I'm
Rick Michaelson I live on Lake Sally my address is 13125 West Lake Sally drive and uh I'm here um uh on behalf of our Pelican River water said Board of managers um I happen
to be serving as the President right now and um we are sad to say that we lost one of our great managers Phil Hansen who was voted as one of your commissioner fellow Commissioners and because of that you know he couldn't uh serve as our on our Board of managers
anymore so that's what created the opening um right now and um the way our our board works we like to have a good cross-section of Representatives um I think you pretty
much are all aware our our Pelican River Watershed kind of starts north of Floyd Lake and goes down through the two Floyds I guess there are three Floyds now with North Floyd and then down through uh to Detroit Lake and big Detroit little muskrat Lake Sally
Melissa and then continues on following the Pelican River until just before it dumps into Buck Lake and that's our that's our watershed area and we like to have a representative from the major lakes on that that are directly impacted by our Pelican River Watershed and one
of those is um Lake Melissa and that's where Phil lives and he was our representative for Lake Melissa and for many years on our board and did a great job and so we have a a candidate now his name is Charlie Buck I think he's on the
list of speakers he'll be talking to you and he'll tell you more about his background uh than I will talk about but I've known Charlie for a long time I graduated from high school with him he's a good guy good
solid guy he um I think he is maybe like the third generation resident on Lake Melissa he's got a long history of living on the lake um now he is a full-time he's retired now but he's a full-time resident on Lake Melissa and
um I really know that he will do a really good job he's a smart guy he's um he's a retired airline pilot but he'll tell you that he actually went to law school has a law degree smart guy knows the ups and downs of how
committees and uh and agency's work and I really support him 100% and uh hope that you will approve him as our new uh next new board manager on our Board of managers anybody have any questions for me
okay thank you thanks rickk you y uh Charles Buck please uh state your name and your address where you live good morning my name is Charles Buck I live on Lake Melissa 24429 North
Melissa Drive uh just basically in the shm area um thanks for your time uh I'm here to apply for the position on the manager on pelic River Watershed Board of managers I've been a long time Detroit Lakes resident my family's been
here I'm third Generations Grandpa came over on the boat ended up working in blandings Hardware my dad ended up working in blandings I ended up working in blandings dead eventually became an attorney and his name's on the brass plaque outside
the original entrance of this Courthouse he was a County Attorney at the time and he taught me that you know it's time to give back when you're you're living in town you get back to Becker County and that's basically why I'm here uh as Rick said Detroit Lakes High School uh went
on down to the University of Minnesota then drifted down south from the Mississippi to St Louis to Washington University for the School of Law there came back passed the Minnesota bar was a member of the bar for 35 years I didn't actively practice much I handled family
stuff and uh took care of took care of things uh uh for friends in the state matters and property matters but I wasn't an active uh active attorney by any means I kind of fell for my first love and that was flying and I spent about a 40-year career with five
different airlines the last 31 was American Airlines and I retired as a captain on 767 flying International routes to Europe and uh uh Hawaii and uh South America uh I've lived on Lake Melissa my
entire life uh Grandpa bought the place back in 1910 my maternal grandfather Dr ball from Fargo and uh my grandson will be the 5ifth generation to be in this cabin we recently winterized it about 5 years
ago with your help I remember you now I trying to think of who you were but and made it made it from a 2x4 in boards to a full Four Season house and it's our it's our retirement home and we're full season residents pretty much everything I knew about flying I learned on the
Waters of Melissa I'm pretty much a water rat I learned to hold a course I learned to navigate I learned to appreciate clouds and winds and follow safety procedures and uh most important lesson of all take your boat or your airplane don't ever take your boat or
airplane in any place you haven't taken your brain about 5 Seconds earlier so any anything that you've appreciate in the air I basically learned on the water right out here uh I'm a water rat and I'm on the lake from ice out to First
freeze uh I'll be on our Lun boat taking Wildlife pictures at dawn or fishing midday or there's the Pontoon Cruise great about Sunset and I take our kayak down into the mil Pond to do Wildlife photography just north of bucks Mills
and I've taken it regularly up up the River to Cross Alle muskrat the Detroit Lakes to Long Bridge and back so I know the river I've been on the river I've lived on the river uh my entire life and I appreciate just how important a resource it is for us uh from the air
you can see just how beautiful this area is and the pristine Waters in The Lakes and I've also flown Over The Dead Zone in the Gulf of Mexico right at the end of the Mississippi so you know the other end of the story so I appreciate the quality and I remember the water quality
we had in the 50s and 60s and how much it's improved now for my kids and my grandkids and so if I do anything with that to give back to this County and this Chain of Lakes I'd like to do so so I appreciate your consideration for a
member of the uh board as a manager for the pan River Watershed District any questions I don't thank you thanks Charles Erica gilsdorf I know that like that
I think I saw you Phil and I thought of my brother yep H would say that um hi I'm Erica gilzer Detroit Lakes Minnesota um you've each re received an article recently published in the Minnesota Tribune titled Minnesota needs to do a better job protecting wellwater from
runoff as you've seen me many times before I'm here to talk about the CF issue I've attended many of your meetings over the past couple years as have many others to express concerns regarding Cal which are concer animal feeding operations and Industrial farming coming to our County seems there is a perception that we're attacking
Farmers we're not we know our community relies our communities rely on Farming and that farmers have their communities in their best interest they want to feed our communities in America and we're grateful this isn't about farmers and our concerns are not Farmers
it's directed at an ordinance that doesn't help farmers keep from doing unintended harm through CFOs an ordinance that doesn't protect the groundwater the quality of our lakes and rivers or prevent the inhumane treatment of animals that exists in a CA setting we've heard from you repeatedly at these
meetings that farmers won't put on more manure or other fertilizers than required because it's too expensive fact is in other states and in southern Minnesota where Cals are located and yes right here in Becker County too they are that information Becker County is found in our CF report which includes eer
Becker County and the straight River and Toad Rivers we're here to request um counties and States across the US and even here in Minnesota as evidenced in the article I referenced are now facing lawsuits due to poor planting that's
caused dire water pollution impacts on drinking water and water quality of lakes and rivers we're here to request you take a second look at the ordinance we need an ordinance that helps Farmers protect the water and to do what is right for the community to raise good Humane food while protecting
what we all love and need clean water we have an opportunity here not to go blindly into the future regarding cathles in fact it isn't going blindly the problems are already there and are plain to see the research is there the community issues are already there but in other counties not ours yet please
don't sleep on this for the easy way out because it isn't going to be easy if the ordinance moves forward as is the Legacy you send forth today won't be something to be proud of it's not going to it's not going great in other states it's not going great in our neighbor states of Wisconsin and Iowa and even closer it's
not going great in southern Minnesota we can do we can do things differently as public servants you can do things differently I'd like the news article CL my statement included to be included in the meeting minutes please thank you thank you
Erica uh George FR George Frank BG my name is George franker I live at 25055 South Melissa Drive can you hear me now Jerry Jerry probably couldn't but
he's not here well that's why I'm here because I have noticed a lot of people don't know how to use a microphone some people like me have a big mouth and I don't need a microphone and all of you would like to have a big mouth like George I know that so you
have to work on that well I don't want you to just believe me Jean are you interested in what these people have to say yeah I think she just said yes do you think we all sit here on
these hard miserable uncomfortable chairs because we have nothing else to do we hang on your every word so I'm asking please use a microphone or if you're like me you don't need a microphone but speak
up thank you very much thanks George thanks George Willis Matson good morning Mr chairman members of the board my name is Willis Matson 42516 State Highway 34 oage Minnesota I've appeared before you a
number of times and um it's clear to me that I've not communicated my concerns very well I um love biology from the time I was in high
school went to college to get an education in the science and a master's degree and practiced it for 30 some years and even after since I retired so I tend to think in facts and figures in terms of science scientists don't
communicate with non-scientists very well so today instead of talking about science facts and figures and studies and reports and that kind of thing um and that's kind of a left brain kind of thing I want to talk to you from
a different part of of me I'm want to talk to you more from the heart than from the head and tell you about things I know things that you may not but I can't really change that by giving you more
information all I can tell you is that I I know some things and I believe these things to be true I know that the farming methods we use now pollute water this I
know this I know is happening here in Becker County are there Solutions yes this I know why because I spend my time studying these things I do know that you as well in your job want to take care of Becker
County you want to take care of Becker County's Health and Welfare I truly believe that is in your heart in my heart I believe that is true to do this we want to do by we I'm speaking for myself today so I would
like to be able to have a heart-to-heart kind of conversation about what we believe is true what we believe is possible what we believe is within the authority here the federal government has failed to do what's necessary to protect citizens that's been the result
of a lawsuit that I followed southern Minnesota state of Minnesota PCA has failed to do what they're supposed to do that's a part of the article this I know I used to work for the agency and I know why they don't do their job so the responsibility is following down to us
as Citizens right here at the local level and I do believe that local government is the best form of government in the entire world why because I can sit here and speak to you about what I know and ask you about
what you know and then try to do the right thing I believe you will make decisions that you think you have to make I'm going to ask you to broaden your point of view and make the decision
that you believe is true to what you know and I believe if we each do that we will make good decisions for everyone be it for the farmers be it for the the uh children and pregnant mothers out
there that drink well water that here in Becker count is already contaminated if we know that's true and you have authority to change that then we can sit down and say what is it that we can do at the local level since federal and state government is failing
us but local government because we can sit across the table from each other like this and speak from a heart what we know is true we can change this we can do better but to do that we have to have a good conversation sitting here and testifying
to you and I like it when I make eye contact with you and I know that you're you're listening you don't because of the format don't answer you don't answer questions we need to move along on the agenda I've got five minutes and I'm
close to the end of that what I would would like to do is have an opportunity in a form where we discuss this and talk about what you know to be true and then what we know to be true and find the common ground because that will be for the good that will do good in the
community so from the heart I'm asking you let's do good together thank you thank you wellis thanks wellis hold on yeah I don't want to B it
okay sorry bir I couldn't read it like bir that's what I thought but I didn't want to screw that one up so Mr chair Commissioners I apologize if my writing was uh not legible it's a little embarrassing as I uh spent a number of years as an engineer and my
printing was fairly legible the time apparently age has changed that uh bur bdick my address is uh 24780 North Melissa drive I'm president of the Melissa Sally Lake Association I
had a chance to give Miss Smith a copy of a letter that I had prepared on behalf of the Lake Association I don't know if you've had a chance to look at it which is why I wanted to highlight it simply uh providing our encouragement and support for Charlie buck as your appointed
member of the um Pelican River Watershed board I've known Charlie for some time um we live not far from one another on the lake uh and I think he's got all the credentials that would make him a
perfect appointment for that position I would note which I didn't put in my letter that uh the advertisement that the county has provided for this position is for position six the lake Melissa position uh and from what I understand
he is the only person from Lake Melissa who is applying for that position so I encourage you uh to appoint him and if you have any questions I'll answer them all right thank you thank you
vers is there anybody else here or online that would like to speak to the open Forum just want to make sure we got everybody okay let's move on uh two reports in court
correspondents who would like to go first I'll be a rookie I'll go first I will go first um so since last meeting um toured the jail Ted The Social Services building toured Prairie Lakes and uh spent some time out the transfer
station um uh those tours are very insightful and I should probably go back for some more um went to AMC uh January 22nd 24th uh had a lot that that was really worth it uh for me that new new
training um I just want to share a couple things um that I took away from it I I was having a problem with the administrator what's our role what's the administrator's role and this kind of summed it up uh Commissioners ask what and why questions and administrators answer the
where when and how questions that really helped me um I I thought that was very very useful uh and helpful um well that doesn't help me that was for you Barry uh got to
reevaluate um you know something we I did talk to Barry a little bit about this but uh something that I I think down the road we need to work on a little bit is a is a county strategic plan um just uh what do we want this County to look
like and 10 20 years uh uh we we had a session on that and and uh I thought it was really good and and I couldn't answer those questions and I I I think a work session down the road not now um but down the road might be good to to to
answer some of those questions I think they would help give our department heads Direction um I I think it would help all the way around it's just a suggestion but that's another thing I took from that that meeting and one thing that we talked about to what Phil and I talked
about is we do have a a mission statement and a vision now and it's been years since we revisit that and I don't know if we need to change it but we should probably at least examine it for ourselves as this board and saying is this appropriate I think it's I I didn't review it before this but I think it's
still valid but um we during that work session we should just review it and say are these is it still valid today um where our goals are and then look at I mean I hate strategic planning and mission and vision but I certainly think it has some some uh mission statement and strateg
strategic plan are two different things I think and I I I went across our website and was looking for that mission statement I I I couldn't find it uh but I'm sure it's there somewhere it's a lot of information there um uh 29th I had
the uh Prairie Lakes meeting um I did uh I don't know if I volunteered I got put on the the finance committee over there so uh uh uh Kevin Campbell from clay County will be heading that up um we talked about getting Ash Ash some of
that Ash from the incinerator uh mixed into our roads gravel roads and uh uh tar roads um and then we did uh talked about the the the grant study which we be discussing here a little later so I won't go into that um Eric and I did
Planning and Zoning on the night of the 29th uh some very interesting cannabis uh discussion um I don't know if I want to say anymore because I I don't know much more uh on
the 30th had Environmental Services uh we talked a little more about that Regional study um we have to do a little groundwater testing uh uh $10,000 for two different studies $110,000 a piece uh so that's uh will be coming before us
soon um and then uh just envir Environmental Services is changing all the time and and just uh you know Sandy did a great job of getting out there and and and letting people know about what's happening Environmental Services um and we did talk about some public education and
possibly some messaging which will be a a cost to get that out there we we we're just digging down on that a little bit um and the rest is kind of small stuff I can go next I had the um I attend the the vice chairchair
leadership conference down on the 22nd we attended the some of the same ones that Phil did for the the afternoon was spent with the 101 Commissioners and the morning we had a session with Three Counties um one Klay County spoke just about the importance of um the chair
Vice chair communication when you're talking about big building projects and then we had Blue Earth uh chair and administr administrator and they talked about the importance of communication during disaster because they talked
about the um flooding down there the dam last the when the dam broke last spring and then there was someone from they were from blacka oh no black AAR lar County Todd Todd Johnson and he really just talked I appreciated the his
conversation the most well I wouldn't say the most but it's what's stuck in what he said was the importance of you know one thing that we've learned at AMC and and Julie ring is really good at
um making known is that County politics is a nonpartisan politic um setting so that's why it probably works the best is because we don't have this polarization that we have going on in our state and Country right now so he just said you
know advised us as County Commissioners really to to think about that when um things are presented to us for Resolutions or whatever that really aren't nonpartisan um and I think most
counties that were there have a stay in your lane is that what it was called stay in your lane policy they had a resolution a resolution not but a lot of counties just have it in a procedural aspect instead of that and and really that is because the the
things that we do as a board affect our employees and when we take stands they it then can affect their day-to-day work that we maybe don't realize whether it's communication with media or whatever it might be so that's just um one thing
that I wanted to just point out um then I had our our Planning Commission with um Phil and one thing that I think came about that the the the Cannabis um permit was withdrawn by the
the applicant but I think we need to go back to the drawing board one thing that was pointed out and I did a little more research is um whether or not these growing facilities should be in industrial or Agriculture and I know we talked about it at one point when we were we were discussing our ordinance
and I think we need to go back and and see and I did talk with Kyle a little bit I think there's something in I can't remember what it's called it's it's something from the state of Minnesota about cannabis but in their it does say that if you're going to have a inside
growing facility which is what this one was they're really geared more towards an industrial area versus an agricultural area so just one thing that I think we might want to dictate that also I mean it's a small I imagine it's a hoop or greenhouse
building Yeah well yeah this one that was was proposed was a 5,000 square foot building but um just just something for us to consider as we're I thought we did consider those light industrial I don't know that I I think
that all growing facilities in our zoning is agriculture or can be in agriculture but yeah I think we did talk about it but we talked briefly I remember bringing that because there was some suggestions from the state but yeah um but yeah I certainly do some research
on that bring it back yeah and then the only other one meeting I had was fairboard um we discussed there was some discussion on the transit building and what the plans are for that and more discussion on what the grants what
they're going to use for the grants what grants that they have coming every year I think they have this was my first fairboard meeting so I'm not familiar with it no they get grants every year for so they they get a they get a Agri Grant every year and a
legacy Grant every year have my back yeah and uh they can do certain things with each one of those grants like for example the Ager Grant has to be more for education and the Legacy Grant is more for like they're going to purchase some more picnic tables they're going to I'm I'm just curious does that have
anything to do with the transit building no no okay no no that was just me okay so I I mesh those together um I I guess my my question I think and I think we had instructed Carrie that talking to the fairboard or what the what they if they have any plans for the trans
buildings the first in probably in planning our space needs and how we can move you know if we're moving things to that building we need to know if the fair board's all right with that because I mean we want to um coordinate that process with them I think that's the
first step so yeah and and uh and Travis is going to as soon as they get their data collected and make sure it's correct and and Carla this the secretary will go treasur will go through all of that he's going to come in and give us a
report on the fair and then also discuss that too so that that's their plan and hope I told them to get on the agenda do this you know sooner than later uh Mr chair just going back to what Erica said at the planning zone of the Cannabis thing um you know I think
we're still waiting I mean I'm trying to come up to speed with where you guys are but uh uh we're still waiting on some State stuff to to direct us there but I really think we got to get out in front of that that was a very uncomfortable meeting um for Planning and Zoning I mean you talked about the indust I'm
sorry I thought that was actually pretty good compared to how pling and Zoning meetings typically are okay that was my first and I was uncomfortable I don't think we had a lot of Direction but uh you know whether whether it goes uh you know in this industrial area we did briefly touch on
that or agricultural area um yeah well the problem is excuse me the problem is the state isn't up to speed yet I mean that's so we're waiting for the state to get their rules and regulations I we hard to move forward when they they don't
have so did I just add one thing to the fairboard um they they also so we they also brought up the fact that during the water Carnival they have Chopper rides
and they use the the that parking lot where the Midway is for the landing and so forth and take off of the Choppers well apparently the JC's in the city want to change the the start yeah well they don't want to change really the route just where it
starts they want to start it down by by West Lake Drive instead of starting it up by uh you know up on you know North further north so they want to use that area also for the at the same time well so there's they're going to have to make
a decision on how they want to do that because the chopper rides need that space and and they do do Chopper rides during the during the parade and so forth and during the and Sunday is their biggest one of their biggest days they said so that's just another thing they brought up all right go yeah go ahead
I'm that was it I'm done um I had a extension meeting to determine um Award winners for Farm Awards I um Bruce HS passed this on to me and thought the board might be interested it's um summary of Honor
recipients since 1914 so if you want to just look at that um also talk to um this is an AIS beer County invoices this is the invoices for the last year and I don't know if there's many things that the state is proposing um and I'll
get to some a little bit that but um one of them is slashing the AIS budget the governor's proposal I think slashes that in half um so we could have a major change in in how we operate I mean the the number of at least the number of
visits on on lakes would significantly decrease but um this is what we've invoiced them in the past and some of that paperwork so may um I think it's it's kind of a it's moving Target but I think the important thing is if we plan on invoicing the money they need to see that prior to
they them setting their budget I think it's not fair for the county to send them new charges of payroll admin fee for $2,200 you know first time ever that you send that charge now and well now it's not in their budget so um that was one thing that we can do better um if we do
have charges we we need to get together with them prior to sending those charges out um Dave and I had Sunnys side um we're we're we're this our we're not on the calendar year so our year is we're still in the black but we're not
we haven't done as well so our new rates so we're we're billing on Old rates so the new rates didn't start till January so that will help significantly on our um bottom line which is still good I mean it's still above above uh um we're still in the black but we're not we
weren't doing as good as no we were and like Barry said and then there are some bigger items that came out in in those months too that like nursing stuff uh so for those that you don't know um sunny side is a county-owned facility y we have a cash Reserve over two what is it
2 million now just over 2 million and we we owe the county for a remodel project from 20 years ago we're down to what 50,000 plus or minus 10,000 I think 61 yeah 6 anyway the the county holds
our money we don't get any interest on that so that's it's kind of a you know a trade-off you know we've never gotten interest on that on our Reserve so that's working with the county so the county benefits from that but um so we're thinking maybe someday we pay that down and one of the things why we want
to might looking at pay that down um the nursing homes got um is it federal or state money of 171,000 last year and and the year before that we need to pay building improvements improvements we just we buying um 12 new beds to replace some
old ones and the mattresses um so we have we want we have to spend that money on certain things and pay pay down is one of them so we might be paying part of that down if not all of them and we also Al she's also purchasing a 30 sets of like nightstands and and dressers
kind of a remodel or refurnish the rooms and that was for about 30,000 yep so otherwise U nursing home is doing very well yep anything to add on sunny yeah just just like like for just like most probably organizations or and mine too at the end of the year people like to
use up their vacation that they can't carry over so that puts a a bigger hit on the your bottom line and then also when the rates don't go up till January 1st so that's part of why to the the the the pro I guess the whatever you call it
the bottom line wasn't quite as good but yeah other yeah um attended uh Lakeland Mental Health building or meeting sorry um we did have a our we have a budget shortfall but we decrease also our expenses so we still are in the positive
we have a we're profitable 7.4% so it's a very good profit line but we didn't hit our budget number so um not hitting having a budget shortfall isn't necessarily the end of the world if you're still profitable if you decrease expenses and that's what it was and some of those are positions that that generate income but they aren't there so
you so you lose the income but you don't have the expense to um uh yeah Denise Denise is the uh representative for for the human services for our area and she was did not get to be at that meeting either so
um and then this isn't this was Peter just announced um he's he's going to be retiring from the dlcc Peter is our representative our lay person representative he's not retiring from the board but he is retiring from the um from that committee so or from from his
job so probably have more time than he said he could get down to the meeting cuz he's been zooming him and zoom meetings are decent when you have to but I I prefer not zoom meetings for for most of the time um had an MRC meeting just a just a online just a zoom meeting
yesterday um but it reminded me that there we have legislative form the 25th and 26th and we should probably if you are planning on going and I think I think we should be going um that we need to get rooms and register with AMC on that so um
Senator Johnson was there and he spoke a lot of discussion on the burdens of the counties the governor's um budget that came out was significant hits to counties AMC and MRC put a letter to St CL or the the the Trib um to to open
letter kind of showing some of those concerns where um ma reimbursements are being cut um AIS has being cut there's um we learned in the sheriff's department that that STS is proposed to be cut now these are just the proposals so we don't know where they're going to land but um there are so many things and
and then then we're also talking about the family medical leave the safe and sick and the AF African-American restoration act all these are not fund I mean these are huge huge impacts to County bottom line and if if the state
doesn't address those our I mean we are we are in serious Financial Harm's Way um so Barry what what does that look like that means we'd have to cut programs if that happens if they're not funded or do we still have
to carry them out no these are F these are programs that we are mandated to carry I mean they're the like the but unfunded then well right now they are now now Senator Johnson was saying that you know they Rec everyone recognizes this and and hopefully they're trying to
find some solutions but when you have a state budget that looking at a shortfall I don't know where the money's going to come from so um I mean the time to concerned is now not not in two years when we have to raise the taxes you know double digits and and I mean we are and
that's part of the discussion coming up later about hiring is we are there are a lot of concerning things budget-wise in the next well shortterm future in my opinion okay you've got me concerned but what action can we take well we need to
Lobby the state and tell them that that these programs are so costly that you know um Bill Stern Scot Onin and and of course he had he's said this at MRC meetings before just the American just the African-American res um preservation act could cost his
County a 10% Levy increase over a million dollars for for his County which is a 10% just for that one program so now you add you know Family Medical leaveing safe and sick we've kind we've tried to we're kind of absorbing that now but there is cost to that and and I
think Dave reled that Sunny Side there's there's usage of those programs which makes you have a shortfall I mean which hurts your bottom line at the end of the year so those I mean there I think we heard earlier that they're going to try to
amend the um which one family medical leave try they're going to try to amend that because the safe the safe and sick one is already yeah they're try they're going to try to to the that the family medical leave wouldn't go into effect until 26 the paid paid wouldn't go in
effect until 2026 but they're trying to either amend it or they're trying to postpone it because it's not funded and that's a big concern for me as a business owner too because yeah that's and the that's a huge concern I mean for
us as a county yes but also because all because the sick and safe leave is not is not funded either no I mean there these are things that counties are we have to absorb and and pass pass through so um I think it's very important to talk to legislators and let them know
the concerns that we have on um so once again as far as an action item we're doing all we can with our lobbyists to get to legislators us saying it means more than lobbyists saying it if we're at the capital saying these are our concerns to our to our legislators um it
carries more weight than lobbyist I mean and especially if they hear that in force that um but um there are there's lots of things in that the proposal that you know we haven't we haven't even figured out how to you know what what the cost would be so I mean we
and our lobby AMC and MRC is very good at that but I think when they call for people to you know then say you know we need you guys to call your legislators and and and express these are the concerns and show and they'll show us why and then that then we relay those messages so um Mr chair if I me um I
just wanted to add picky back on what you're were saying I think it would be important for our County to really look at some of these proposed cuts and and really the the dollar amount of what the impact would be and so I know I've spoken to Denise specifically and and she is looking at some of those because
I think specific figures for counties and bringing that forward when some of us go to the legislature you know the conference in February I think would be impactful because I think if you look at it Bill St has the numbers and that's what's going to impact legislators is having
the dollar amount it's not us going down there and saying it's going to impact us it's I think you need to have the this is how much it's going to impact us so and that and that's just at the state level now and you look at what what could come down at the federal level if if programs are cut and and
eliminated um obviously it will affect our local staff because that if there's no money to reimburse some of these programs in in human services then those programs we we just can't fund them ourselves yeah I I think about many of the the Human Services positions are
funded by Medicaid you know I mean there's there's a lot that and if that's overhauled and you know we there there's a lot of unknowns right now yeah I mean and a week ago or two weeks ago there was there was a order to stop all stop
all payments and uh so I mean we and that's that's why the we have to reconsider every new every hire as a and review what where we are at that time I think that's the later discussion but um also had a sheriff's meeting um we have
a that was the longest Sheriff's meeting I ever been at go and uh um I think most things are on the agenda do you see the yeah everything except for we you talked about the STS so the governor's proposal is to cut to
STS by June 30th so this year yeah correct oh that's yeah so and that would affect us I think we figured out one positions funded at 75% one positions funded at 25% so it's basically one full time position that we would have to pay for
um if continue to do it it's not much of a no not really no we no and that's what I what I asked Wade was there and I said is there anyone that that you know and of course this is still just you know his proposed budget but I mean if you
can I mean this is our current year I mean remember um when Governor palente did un allotment in December and you know it's like this is our end of our year how are we we supposed to make up a $200,000 shortfall from the state in 3 weeks it's you just can't do it so um we
set our budget obviously and and we're in in the middle of the Year their budget is a their fiscal year is ends in what June 30th I believe and it doesn't I don't know how you have the shortsightedness to say we're going to cut you for your fiscal year say you
know at least half you give it we're going to give you half in the next our fiscal year so we can get to the end of the year to determine how we want to proceed um I think it does all really show the importance of AMC right and they're really looking out for the
counties at the state um there's emergency management a lot of there was one other thing the wasn't that the the true uh
the EC oh the Eco um EOC is that what it is well yeah the Sheriff glander they pointed out some of the shortcomings of our of our current emergency center and um um I think that's that's another long-term planning to see how or if we
can improve those some of those conditions some of those um we went through work like with every other committee we went through job classifications and and those those I believe are not ready to come to the board yet they're still working on those
is that correct k okay uh Sheriff glander also looked at a bayith position moving from part-time to part-time to full-time and we he was going to bring that back and look at um didn't bring it he's not bringing it to board now we had a couple questions for
that so um anything else on Sheriff's nope um couple questions maybe I I had were um did you were you going to bring that up or I haven't heard anything about the the
recorders um was a requirement to are we did I see it's not an agenda that any requirement for salary so so we we discussed it at Finance yesterday and we decided that we're not
going to put it on the agenda today we'll put on the agenda for the next look at it yeah board meeting I haven't read the finance minute so okay um the only other things is um anyone that wants to go to the leadership I think MRC has a meeting so I'll I'll need to get rooms for with Peggy or Amanda whoever wants to grab
the so I I'm going I'm going yeah and Carrie's going mrc's that the night before yeah or that are you are you planning on going yeah okay yeah I'll I'll so you're going for the whole conference is that yeah okay uh I think
so I'll you can check with piggy but she can make those arrangements okay I think that's it uh Richard the only thing I had was environmental Phil and he's covered everything there so I had I had I had meetings but I had two that we haven't
talked about so I had DAC meeting um the DAC is up 32% in clients this was she did this she gave us the information last last month so since she started as our intern director now she's our full
director um for the last 15 months so uh it's good things are going well uh there's been done some nice remodeling done the floor we got new flooring in P portions of the of the DAC the main area and and some of the side areas um
there's paint on the walls paint does amazing stuff uh yeah and and there's a good morale she's she we've been able to hire more employees because we have more clients um so things are looking up things are looking good I think we have a total between residential services and
day Services I think we have 84 clients now and then when she came in there was in the well 32% less whatever that would be uh the actually the the big increase has been uh in the day Services we have a lot more day service
people and they do make more money on the residential services but so that there are more of those too so it it's looking up and then we also uh just got awarded an $112,000 art Grant and it's
it's for a 12we program where an artist will come in and work with the clients at the DAC and create art and they're going to do it for 12 weeks so uh we got that idea from uh Hover County DAC and we actually saw it in action when we were down to
visit it was pretty cool so uh Barry and I also had a courthouse meeting did I miss that sorry I don't know if I don't did you talk about Courthouse no okay so we went through job descriptions I believe they're on the agenda one thing we did also too as we talked it servers
and we had a long time ago I don't know if the word earmarked is the right word term but earmarked some special General funds for that um we have to do some more investigating on about those funds but anyway there our servers are getting to the end of their life so
we have to do something and uh what's a Judy was going to check to see if we pay it all up front or if we can pay it over time if it's if we if we don't if if we if we're not going to save money by paying it a front we might try to pay it
over a period of I don't know three four years in the budget so she was going to she was going to look at that uh and then you know there might come a time when we want to cost analysis going back the paper seriously it's just ridiculous it
is it's well the cyber security is so out of control I mean you can't and you have to do it because otherwise you'd lose everything Mary would be in heaven we went back to Pap so the last thing that this wasn't really a a committee but we went to it
uh Carrie and I went from representing Becker County and then commissioner jeffson was there as as a state person anyway the state and tribal uh relations training and actually I learned a lot um there's a
I'm I'm a history buff and so there was a lot of there was a lot of history of what of all the things that have happened all the treaties and all the the acts and all the rules and and and Stu and so forth so and it was It was kind of and there were some cultural things that they they discussed and
looked through and so there was a lot of it was a lot of good information um to me it was yeah it was I don't know if you guys have anything Mr chair I I did they do like a PowerPoint presentation on that or something I would be very cuz I'm really behind the
eightball on that too um some history there would be very beneficial to me just I don't I don't think all of this is on there but you can take take this one off you can take a look at that actually you can have um I think the website for the
there's a there's Tri State training there's a QR code on there I think that goes to the powerpo yeah there a guy what was his name his name was Tad the guy that did most of the did most of the uh presenting on the history of just just he just went through the history of of this is what happened here
this is the act this is the treaty um this is the another act and just the whole through process of like 400 years and in like six different uh sessions that he he went through so I mean it was interesting I I was see the way he's the from U ofm Del no the the the other guy's from U ofm the guy that was kind
of the host of the whole conference um Ted Johnson's been recognized I think by three or four presidents no he was from or you say U ofm or university of M duth duth duth was the the the the guy that was uh Joe the I don't remember his
name but he was the like the host the MC um and then Tad is from the University of Minnesota but he's been at other places too yeah or he retired from the University of Minnesota no he is retired from the University of Minnesota first senior director of
American Indian Tribal relations they both were from the University of Minnesota I think that's it so does anybody else have any committee reports at all all right let's go
to appointments let me get my quick screen on here crazy all right appointments so we have Pelican Watershed District uh Carrie did we receive any other
applicants from our Scott Busker and just the two good Mr chair um yes please come come up to the mic please and state your name and and re your address my name is Lori olssen I'm also
on the Pelican River Watershed board I'm the vice president of that board of managers um I know we have a couple of great applicants for this open position that that Phil has created um but I would like to speak on behalf of Scott
Busker today um Scott Busker has a a background in civil engineering he has also developed um several building projects large multif family housing projects He has experience working with the Pelican River Watershed District he
understands the rule process and we are this at a critical point with rules right now because we're in the process of revising them so Scott could come on to the board and be up to speed with where we've been and what we've accomplished in the last year so the
learning curve would be small um he is also a resident of Long Lake when we don't have anybody on the board that represents Long Lake so that would give us a little a little more uh diversity Lori can I ask you Rick didn't
he didn't mention Long Lake is Long Lake in the part of the wed yes yes oh yes so it would be good to have somebody representing Long Lake um Rick mentioned he is um part of the um Lake Sally and
Melissa um Lake Association so we do have representation from Sally Melissa Lake Association okay so um I think that Scott would be he would be a good fit to just move right in and be up to speed with where we're at and some of the critical things that we're working on
right now thanks Lori thank you uh Mr chair I you know haven't been on the committee i i i this was a like Lori said this was a critical time to depart I mean we the last couple years have been tumultuous to say the least
but I think we're on the right track we're nearing the end one thing that that needs to happen is we need to get a a memo of understanding with the county uh at the Watershed so so the end the customer uh is getting the same information and we didn't quite have
that before uh so that's going to be important uh as far as uh Scott I know Scott um you know the rules like the the engineering thing you know hopefully he can come up to speed on on rate control fast things like this technical things I
don't know that um but he has had some building projects like Lori said in the community so I'm I'm sure he's crossed paths with the Watershed already uh the other thing that's that's happening is uh um Gina uh Ker has has resigned to take another job so that's like the
Frontline person and that that that that's a tough tough role uh so that person will need to be replaced um by The Watershed as well um that person is the on-site person around the lake where someone play paid a million dollars for
a lot and wants to thinks they can do whatever they want and they can't um so that position will be very important to replace um so I mean there's there's just a lot of significant things going on I think
Scott um could hit the ground running uh um better with some of the some of his past experience um one thing too is this so so my term I was a three-year term guy my term is up in May um so we'll have to go through
the same conversation again in B this is he'll just be filling out my term as I understand it um one thing bur said um Lake Melissa position 6 um I know like with the rack committee which we're going to be talking about
next you need a person from each designation from the county from each uh District district that's not that's not the case as we understand it with the Watershed the even the rack you each commissioner appoints gets an appointment it doesn't necessarily have
to be their District uh I well it doesn't have to be but it it it's preference preference it's preferred that we have representation from different parts of the district so do we do we know what maybe
Tara can answer that do we know is there a requirement for in bylaws or anything no no AB had it over the last you know 60 years kind of representation throughout like for instance like Chris
dasin here he's T Tera could you come up to the mic please thank [Music] you when I send the letter like for the reappointments I kind of say here's the positions like Orin erson represents an
EG area right um and um Charlie is also kind of a a non Lake type person when Chris got on he was living at by Long Lake so he was the Long Lake position and that's still his same position as the Long Lake one
so I I'm not sure we've this has been a historical thing we've always had representation like that like Lori is on Detroit so I mean if next time around you say well we're not going to have somebody on Detroit because we like this other person better you know people might get upset about that and so it
would be nice with the balance um I mean I don't know I mean I feel that over the years when there's just when you start undoing the balance it hurts I think think that Phil hopefully even next week we could be or
the next couple weeks could be approving adopting the rules by March we're we're at the end of the process here so that'll work I'm interviewing for Gina's position on Thursday so hopefully we'll get that filled quickly so and we have a really good engineering firm we have spent $75,000 folks on getting these
rules Rewritten between engineering and attorney fees so I I feel like we're we're at the end of that game so and we've got a really good staff with the engineering firm to help us through the process so I just wanted to make that note and why and that's why
that memo of understanding between the county and the Watershed is going to be critical that piece how it you know I was hoping it could come together to it would come together and coales around this spring when the building season starts but maybe that won't happen but we still have to have that agreement we
that's critical uh to the end user as far as far as this position goes was it at I think Birch mentioned it or somebody mentioned it that it this position was advertised as a lake Melissa position yeah and I think the play on words here when I went back to
how it was advertised it said position six Lake Melissa but we can't find anything or I couldn't find anything that it's required it seems as though it's a preference is what I'm understanding it's kind of that's why it's been historically done you know
since well s Melissa helped start the Watershed District so I don't know that's the way it's been but now we don't have anybody from Long Lake cuz Chris doesn't live there anymore y Mr chair yes I I I think we should throw out the areas out the window
myself because you you look at the board looks at who you who best for who's the best fit in this and we're such a it's such a small area I I I mean I you want to balance and this board what should and and the recommendations should look at balancing not just area but what's
your background what's your what your expertise and what's your what it's your involvement I mean you could have it just it just seems this is too small of an area I think to I mean you you preferen Le yeah that's F that's fine
but um The cormant Watershed every member of their board currently is on big Corman Lake um they're trying to find other Lakes trying to and It's just tough to find people so I think it's a good guideline but I don't think you should live and die by by these just Mr
chair as I've evaluated this I think it's really critical that Orin was was on that board just because he represented the farmer he was a Farmland up there and that's that's a critical part where the Watershed starts um after that I I don't know everybody everybody
is concerned about Lake uh water quality so I guess with that um I would move to uh uh nominate or appoint uh Scott Busker as member to the as manager to
the Watershed uh board so I'll second that all right so we have a mo we have a we have a motion by Phil and a second by Richard for to appoint Scott Busker to the Pelican Watershed manager is Scott here at all he's not here no do we have any further is oh there
he's right there he is do do we have any further discussion would Scott like to speak or can we um can we do that or we have to vote I think you have a motion on I think we have a motion I think we just have a
discussion between ourselves yeah I I I think for me I just want to say I'm going to depend heavily on Phil because yes because Phil Phil part of it and um you know I don't I don't live in that area so that was all I want to say all right so we have we
have a motion a second any further discussion so all in favor of appointing Scott Busker to the Pelican Watershed manager position signify by saying I I I opposed motion carries so Scott Busker is appointed to
the Pelican Watershed District I'd just like to thank everybody that came and and and gave your opinions and and your uh input so thank you very much um we now will move on to the recreation and advisory committee so
we have do we have we have two people don't we yes and I think this is an atar it's an at large position yes Mr Charles i' I'd just like to say thanks and thank you for applying and putting your name
out there I know um um Mr um we've we've uh it's it's tough to put your name out there not being accepted you certainly have the qualifications hope you keep us in mind um for future future projects as you undoubtedly have the experience and the expertise so thank you thank you
thank Mr chair um I I'm not I I re we received the letter for the rack is um is Glenn here Greg Glen Glenn gford and Greg I don't see either we just had the
so yeah we we just have Greg Johnson and Glenn gford I don't believe we have anybody else yep okay so Erica you you're on the rack we're on the rack okay so yeah I've been on the rack committee I resigned that position and John Oaken took the district three but we're pointing the
member at large to the rack um uh Glenn is uh very much into ski trails and stuff and I think that fits well um Greg was on the uh uh project 412 committee so I think either of these applicants would be uh great additions from what I
know uh Glenn's been to the last couple meetings means um to see what's going on there um uh but GRE Greg's been to some too so I I don't think we can go wrong with either one I've know I know both I've known
both of them so I they're both would be super members of the committee I think Glenn's come to nrm before um in support of the ski trails but I think I'm not but that would make sense I don't I don't know either one very well so yeah I don't know either one
either do we have a motion to appoint one of those two members to the rack committee um Mr chair if I may um would it be helpful if you tabled this and we got additional or asked or invited them to the next meeting or I think you're
struggling out I think we're yeah um we typically don't have this problem I know you usually have only one person one position right which is great to see but it doesn't so so I would I would I would I would make do we need a motion to table it I don't think so we just T so I
would suggest that both well Mr chair if if you want a motion to pick one because I mean if they're both good cand if you if you guys know them both and you think they're both qualified it's not going to change if
they both no no yeah yeah yeah and and I think I think think the time you just pick one and and if I was going to have to pick one today just from if if Glenn has went to a couple meetings and shown that much interest um he's come to nrm meetings then that would be I mean Greg
has been to meetings too oh Greg has too yeah um the last couple I think Glenn was to and and seriously asking questions about how it works and stuff so maybe he's a little further along but Greg has been there before okay I think it was maybe on behalf of project 412
but all I'll make a motion I'll make a motion to appoint Glenn gford to the recreation advisory committee with the atlarge member I'll second we have a motion in a second so all in favor there any further discussion all in favor signify by saying I I opposed motion
carries all right County administ report Carrie thank you Mr chair the first thing is last Friday uh Cody Piper and I we went out to the extens building or the Eda building so I got the tour of that building it's very nice space and again just trying to
gather more information about what buildings and what space we have for future use um so kri regarding that um if we can get vacate I mean I I in your weekly report was reading about other possibilities and I don't think I'm
interested in some of those possibilities on on keeping that building I would like to we vacate that building and sell that whole whole area myself so just give you my opinion where where we where I see us moving if if we can get extension out of there and get
um um dive rescue over to Sheriff's and that building would be V vacant and the impound building would be vacant that whole area I I would hope that we could sell that and put that towards that's my opinion I agree with Barry I don't I
don't think we need it is that is that is that next to what is that next to is that next to like tweet or is that next to d no it's on 11th Avenue it's like just there's that auto and then there's couple down from
there there too yeah but it's not it's not like on it's not on the same side of the it's on the other block not on Dynamics Block it's on the North side straight down from tweet's 2 okay to the Traer cor okay okay but just my two cents yeah so just
getting familiar with what space we have and and what we want to do for future for for the all the counties and that building is owned by Eda what do we have a written inventory of our County space It's all under mcit MH you know we have insured it's all insured so have that
through that but what space we have as what space we actually have like Transit at the fairboard do we own that yeah we own the building yeah okay it's fairboard property if we have a quick copy of that of our of our buildings that we I mean I know most of them I
think but some of these come up and I I'm not even familiar with them like on Highway we have a a building on 59 that we just cold storage and um Culver some stuff there's there's also oage through through housing in the county you know we have we have several buildings to our
housing program highway highway has an out shop in Lake Park um so that but that's a little big one in oldage small one but yeah there's a there's a lot of things that you just forget about do we have an inventory of that carrye of I
would say no okay just through just just if it's insured yeah we would but not we probably you know what could I see that mcit could I see that list of they could probably bring down build just just pull the buildings out and I just like to see that sure thank you all right go ahead
yes go ah thank you um so in your packet you have a prior U policy that uh commissioner Nelson wanted to revisit and this was mod just a little background um previously how we were operating um back to 22 probably 23 um
any um vacant positions uh that were vacated via um process whether they were uh terminated resigned or retired those positions were always brought back to the board for uh board authorization to fill those positions
that were budgeted so the policy back then was modified to stream in the process of filling those positions through through HR and at that time when we modified that we talked about committees uh certain committees that were responsible for those positions to
have those discussions with department heads and in filling those positions now um and I with uh commissioner Nelson bringing this forward he wanted to have a the board to have a conversation whether or not we wanted to revisit that policy and have all of those positions
come back back to the board for consideration as well thank you that that's exactly the exactly right did I get it right I just I just think in in today's environment that we need to take a very hard look at every every hire um and how we hire that
position back we are going to we are going to be in financial trouble I the state is and that that'll come down to us and I think we have to revisit and I think programs will be cut in the next within the next year and I think we have to
I mean if we if we have to just slow it slow our hiring process down to make to give us as much time to review any changes coming down um I think I just don't think we want to hire as fast as possible right now so I would I would think that we should bring these positions back to board and have these
discussions on um you know you know maybe the jail would be one that that you know there's no money there's no outside money coming for jail employees but um Human Services is going to be huge I mean I mean we have no idea what's going to happen to Human Services in the next my my so do you think we
could do something like this could we could we list the positions you know so that we can get a pool of applicants and then but and then have you know if when you say list you mean advertise yeah yeah advertise okay if it's a if it's not a not a new position but a you know a replacement
can we can we advertise and then have then bring it to board before we interview anybody the problem is if you want to hire parttime instead of full-time or if you want to it depends on what your position is yeah yeah okay um but I I you know and maybe you could limit it to any any position that has
any state or federal money but you know supporting the salary yeah well and I think you know your options are certainly to modify this if that's what the board's wishes are the other suggestion I had if if you're um and I I agree we need to scrutinize these um but
you know whether or not you could do that at your committee level as well well the problem with that is if a committee says yes and and the majority of the board says no that's not that's true I mean the committee's only two correct um and then the rest of the board doesn't have any input or even any
knowledge of it at times I besides looking at the open position part so so I I guess for me what I would like to to know is if if this is something we're going to look at what are we I mean I I
think the department heads take a look at that already of what is the best for so what are we as the board going to look at look at where the funding is coming from and where you know what I mean like the department heads know the positions the best and
what their needs are well I think it's needs or wants I not necessarily just because they wanted doesn't mean that we that we believe I mean Commissioners don't have to have the same opinion as your department heads and commit I mean so if you're if we think
if we feel that it's changing and and um I mean department heads protect and work for their their advis or their supervisors yep um so we are the balancer if if there ever needs to be you're not that's my opinion I think
your department heads are going to usually want more positions and more I mean you know you you kind of say it in just but um I I'm thinking of one department head that says I'll spend I'll spend money I'll spend all the money you give me you
know and then you know saying it joking you know if we authorize it they'll take it there's no yeah so I mean I think that's the decision-making is here that's my opinion well I don't think we can I think this needs to be a countywide policy I don't think we can
say for only certain positions they need to go through and it's not anything new it's just reverting to what we were prior to 22 and those positions always came to the board for us to review and and the policy that I did um again was the revised policy that this board had
um approved because we modified how we were operating before having all positions come before the board with a an allocation of what the cost analysis was that's how we were operating when I you know and a lot of times and I tell you the work Workforce is changing
rapidly I I mean the jobs aren't there like you people are being laid off you know so I think there are positions now that we can go back and look at part-time positions and that might be a a fit and it would could save money so I mean each position I think you look at your options again and and maybe there
aren't any you know there's there's certainly there's positions that there's not many and you have to but um this I tell you what as far as looking into the future for the next year or two and with the budgets at the state and and the cuts at the
fed you better tighten your belt because it's going to get it's going to get scarier here in my my opinion so I would like I who better tighten their belt and win huh I mean you say that and who better tighten their belt and when if if we get if Human Services
gets cut um for public health and there's no funding we have to cut but we're obligated to do that we just talked about that before right we're obligated to provide that service if that program is cut then there's no program and there's no no requirements I mean I that we're in just
in a different I think it's a different game right now we just don't know what if the federal government Cuts program and says we are not going to do um what Dei or or I mean there's a lot of things that will that laws will fall away I mean if laws start falling away we have
to say are our taxpayers locally going to pay for these programs or are we going to cut them that that will be that will be our decision I think I think when you you look at mandated services at Human Services
the the biggest mandated service is you know your your protective services your adult protection and your child protection which those are largely already funded by the county you know there's some funding that comes in from state and federal
government federal government is you know more dependent on um qualifications but much of the the targeted case management much of like the public health stuff is a is is services that we have to require but we get paid for it
so if which is why which is why we have been able to increase those positions in the last couple years because really as Richard and I have seen like it makes sense because we have more those those positions are generating income that
they that County dollars aren't being used if that changes then we have some very difficult decisions to make because the those we we can't fund those positions on County dollars solely so I mean I I agree I think that we need
maybe some and we might not change anything but I think it has to come I think it should come here so we review them I mean I don't like that either but I I don't know um I mean
I I think the my personal opinion I think the market is different than it was two years ago I think we're not having as big issue of finding people no I might be way off Bas no you're no you're correct definitely so I agree we might have to evaluate how even
replacing you know replacing a position we might have to so the only way that we can assure that is for it to come to us but if we need to fill something we can't might we might have a backlog of filling a position though or
you know that just the reality of it so so previously if I call correctly positions went to the committee and then committee gave their opinion and then they came to the board and then once the board approved they list they they
posted the position um so one thing just having been in a human services position in a department that you know working in child protection when you have to wait for sometimes a month or more before a
position even gets post posted that's puts a lot of stress in a already very stressful environment so is there any way like what if somebody resigns the day after the committee meets and you're not going to meet for
the commit like it you mean they with no notice they just quit walk out well if if they have a no no no no if they they put in their resignation the day after the day after Human Services committee meets and if this has to go to the
committee before it can go to the board well we're then a month out before it goes to committee committee meetings can be called or over the phone or you don't have I mean you can department head can call their two committee members and say hey what do you think about this here's I'll shoot you the email and you know if
you can I put this on the board agenda before because our next meeting is is I I mean that's not a I mean be two weeks yeah that's just what I want to I don't I mean I would be okay if it's a two we you know wait before if committee members
are okay I've always been okay with that yeah I I I think that's happen I think that has actually happened even with this policy that's happened because they had been able to meet at committee no or what the previous policy I mean but this but I do think that given this
environment we need to be having those conversations more at the committee commit level well think regularly like having those and I and probably expand it even if if we have an opening in this department now we have to review if we
can fill that I mean you can get ahead of it too you know and say but you know I'll go back to go back to years ago that we didn't hire a position until we ran all their their retirement expenses out of that position so if that position
was a long-term employee and they had $5,000 worth of benefits we didn't hire that position till that payroll equaled that benefit payout so there were long stretches of where where job went unfulfilled when we
had a long-term employee retire because we were not going to have a negative on payroll and we quit doing that probably I think that was Brian Berg always always that was the policy then that job will not start until this last person's
expense zeroed out so we we were much faster than that I I I was just going to say I think a a couple of things to consider is um you know I haven't really had the opportunity to bet this with department heads to see if they have any additional
ideas about how to do this or go but and I understand that the board can make that decision but I think in general and I think this ties back to our concerns with budgets and our budgets and I think that um at the committee level probably should play into the conversations you
as committee members are having within your respective committees on budgets and and probably having deeper conversations with that as we kind of get into this time period where it's an unknown so that was going to be I was just going to say that oh did I read your mind yeah I know it's really hard
to do that but no I so what do you think of this uh would if we say let's let's bring this to the department heads and say hey this is what we're going to do um we want to and then we want to make sure that the committee is heavily
involved and if it if it doesn't if it happens at a bad time then you you email your Committee Member your two committee Commissioners and and then we get it to the you know board and I think we do that and we yeah update them at their meeting that that's this is the way it is I don't know if that we need to I mean if there's something specific but
um if there's I mean otherwise if you're not on that committee you don't even know of a of a job I mean I'm just saying if we don't do it this way there's times when when the commissioner is not in the committee are completely in the yeah no that's what I'm saying but I mean have we bring it to board but
if we can speed up the process by what Erica was saying yeah I think that's appropriate and I've always we've I've always been open to when a a department head has a opening and say hey this is our justification and you get you know you ask as many questions as you want yeah and then say yes put it go to board
right with it I mean there's and it's not just employees there's lots of little things or grants or there's things that committees can push through department heads can push through without having committee meetings just having committee up updates over email or that then that's fine with and and if
you really want to meet that way on all your items that doesn't matter to you know however your committee works but I would I would to get off the discussion I would just like to um make a motion to have all jobs come through the board
for approval so we have a motion by Barry do we have a second I will second that motion so do we have a motion in a second um to revert to have the
committee all all jobs go through come to the board even if they're new um if we have any further discussion so Mr chair I is that all jobs or all new jobs all jobs all Replacements you want to
determine if that job has a future and if it's best served as part-time full-time or if you can even AF if you're going to who the who's the funding coming from if it if it moves forward current currently all new jobs
already come through the committee and not for yeah additions I mean I I didn't want to call this a hiring freeze or anything like that because it's it's I think we're going to be hiring most of these jobs back as is but
I think I think it's close I mean we've had those in the past and I think if if things continue that might be where you go and and then I'd also like to State too that if we do pass this we can all we can and and things are not what we
could what could happen we could always go back to the way can always alter it Al go back to the way we had it yes so for clarification I think what you're asking is the policy to be modified if if this motion passes I guess the other thing I'd like to put on your radar as you considered this is that as a board
if these positions are going to be coming back to board you have to think about what is going what questions are you going to be able to ask and how how are you going to decide because every position in department is different I think you know funding you
know like for Human Services future funding and secure you know security of that funding is going to be a a big question I think that's the biggest one yeah okay and and a lot of other positions that have state funding you know just gr sent to serve what are we going to do with
that so we have a we have a motion in a second do we have any further discussion yeah so just just just putting this into practice so uh Dean Hamp with environmental is is is going to retire um I don't know exactly when but so so
his replacement would have to come to us in for us to approve that person or not the person the position the position so so the position hire for the position and the and the budget number right that you always evaluate budgets so so here's
the thing to that so we we know he gives a timeline when he's going to retire so now we have a timeline that we can get that information out when he retires right at you know we can go through that process then he re then he retires let's not use a person as yes
yeah let's not use a person a position how did that happen before the department had just this we're making a change here right this is going back to what we always did before 2022 yeah how did it happen before that in 2022 we changed the
policy if it was an already budgeted position there was no no and somebody resigns or retires they were able to just refill that position because it was already budget the department the department head the Comm it would have to go to committee with communication with their respective yes it would go to
committee and then they would then it would be advertised or could be advertised and for that at that time though it was partially responsible or why it was done is because we had such a delay in HR we did HR drugg it down for so long that we just said it wasn't me
no I mean but we did we had a huge delay having slowdown and I think we've gotten through that and and that's what I'm wondering how much how much do you think this is going to slow this down because it was too slow before and that's why we changed it MH so it's do you you think
it's going to well I'm I'm just thinking about the process and and if you put this into play you know on behind the scenes you know think about the behind the scenes then we have to vet questions scoring questions and all those kinds of things you're really not doing perhaps a
lot of that until um because I don't want necessarily HR staff to be doing all that behind the scenes if we don't know if the position's going to be approved um so in answer to your question um it potentially could slow down the process but maybe that what we
want well I could see it if there's a if there's a question about the funding you know but some of these positions there won't be any question about the funding if what what positions are you well okay I won't say a name but the
landfill there's there's no question about the funding there um I see Human Services could be a big thing like you're saying but a lot of our departments the funding is not going to change I don't see you know how it could but yeah and I and I reference that too
like the the jail is 100% County funding but so I think you but I think even in in you you have to look at each one there's so many different possibilities it's tough to but I don't think I don't think we can have a policy that
says one Department no it comes right and the others the only the only thing is is there any state or federal funding to that position well I mean I think even if you look at the jail position I mean we we depend on federal prisoner funding for the from
the Prisoners the prisoners but not the but that funds the positions that that funding goes to the positions I mean I think reimbursed for the yeah but if that stops then
what yeah then you quit that program but I mean so that's you you do staff mhm because of numbers so I mean everything's up I mean all these programs are being looked at
there all these programs are being looked at to be cut so right well we have a motion in a second um so the motion is to go back to pre 2022 ESS 22 or 23 I'm not sure of the Year somewhere I'd like to try this and see
that it doesn't because it was way too too slow before and I see Barry that some I see your point on some of them but I'd like to you know I I don't want to see it go back to taking forever to hire well there you know if you want to say supervisor you know you know
supervisors you know you have to replace a supervisor of a full department so but I don't know how you word that maybe you're yeah I mean I I think in your example what I'm you know the example that we were looking at I but I think in
in a the position of a retirement if you know a retirement is coming there should be a lot of you got you have time before that person leaves to to to get it approv the time most of the time most of the time most of the time do we have to wait until a board meeting or could she
call us no you can't I mean if you want board approval you cannot call the full board and that's be a that would be a violation but I think but I think for the committee to bring it forth forth to the committee then you're really only looking at two weeks
if if we have the ability to as a committee meet like human services you and I have a teams or whatever it is to to discuss this you know in between committee and board so that the next board meeting it can come I think that would work yeah
what we could do also is put board meetings for every Tuesday and if you need those extra Tuesdays that you could come in and do that no I mean it would only it would only take I mean if it was a but we used to we used to list three
Tuesdays a month in case there was any other business I think two is enough I'll go with trying this all all right let we have a motion in a second so we have any more discussion all right let's uh let's vote so all in favor of motion to adjust the
Personnel policy for hiring employees signified by saying I I opposed all right motion carries that was easy all right Carrie we have some more stuff for you I guess so um so the next item I
was with regards to what I have been able to ascertain with regards to the Pelican River Watershed building that's out at Dutton locks this has been a long uh process finding and locating records and information so it came before the
board last time and the question really really was um whether or not we could verify that money came to the county in a Cooperative um manner from from Pelican Watershed to purchase the
land that dut loocks as we all know as dut locks the 56 Acres out there initially um as we reviewed board minutes and such just to give you a little bit of a backstory how we do things now and we accept money there's a resolution that follows and back in 1976
I don't think they did it that way so we weren't able to find it initially in the resolutions but in the financial records that are typed that were in the basement we did find in the financial records that we did in fact indeed receive uh 16,000 plus uh from from the Pelican
Watershed in a joint effort through a Grant application to purchase to purchase the land that we again now know as dut locks Park um so with that said this board uh did not take any action because what we have
before us now is um the identification of Need for additional Park out there and the Watershed having a u building out there that they they use to store um boats and canoes and and different things and and how to proceed um with
that if they need to relocate if they stay in the building Etc so Mr chair I I'm the one who kind of brought this up um first of all we can keep it exactly the way it is um and if that's the wishes of the board that's fine uh I just thought since dun locks were're
building a new structure out there I thought it would be nice to have more area so that's the only reason that that was the impetus for this conversation um uh well Phil the conversation came long before you got on the board oh okay we were we were wanted we wanted to get rid
of that building few years ago but we just feel felt that this project needed to move forward before we okay got into consideration I stand corrected and if I may um as well as this when I go back and and Mary and I reviewed the Grant application purpose of um purchasing
this land for this purpose for for recreational parks um you know questionable about buildings I'm not going to say much about that but um the grant was for the purposes of public use and Parks you know as I reviewed what uh
Tara had s thank you for pulling all that information I mean it's clear to me the Watershed started the process or was designated to do some of the work as things coess the county got more involved but you know the money 16 uh
775 that was uh an appraisal and the money the Watershed spent but the county which I didn't know until yesterday Carrie thanks for digging into all that information the county did put $15,700 into it as well and then there was state and federal funding as well
but I mean it's a huge asset to the county now I mean I don't think we would want that any other way and I think the Watershed deserves some of the credit for for for pushing that that forward back in the day um what that looks like
I'm not exactly sure mhm yeah it's we we have to be fair to the wed they did they did put money in there so I think I think I think you're right I think they now that we have it I think that 16775 is shows that they they are have a
stake in that I don't have a problem um reimbursing that and an interest rate to some you know to I think if you put a 50y year at 4% that'd be just under $40,000 but I mean I I think we need a I mean find I think in
the next two years we do this job or our space needs study and see if there's where we're moving everything and and where Pelican River Watershed building if we can assist in if they're interested in the at the fairgrounds if the fairs looking at that you know there
are some of those questions that we need to answer before we um can can decide what's the best fit for everyone or what's a Fair Fit for anyone how do we keep this on the table then so we can keep moving forward with it um well I think Sheriff glander got the on the ball rolling with the the
impound building is what and and that's kind of you know everything needs to work that after that gets completed then the then the old structures are gone that you know then then things start moving from there too so I think car's looking and doing that she went out and
viewed the the where extension is and and Di rescue and mhm I think I think you're right I think one kind of domino affects the next but I don't think that building I mean this year will need to be moved I mean I think that that's
something for after completion of of Deal's information you know as far as we're talking about a dollar amount here the 16775 um plus there was a they built the building the Watershed built the building for5 $6,000 back then I I didn't think about the interest over the
years um I mean it's I think it's just ified that we owe them money if we if they hadn't paid anything then then we can't in my mind can't justify giving anything back now now we can so yeah I think that would it might have to be if we do it that way it might have to be a little bit more because things inflation
has really right but we we've got some baselines I think we need to talk with these guys and work something out that we're both that we both can live with yeah I would could would you please state your name Charlie jasin a board
manager Chris Chris jasin board manager I just want to state that if parking is your intent as a the County Board that's not the answer we're removing that one building that building is structurally
Sound a fix is relocating those doors so it has access from when you drive in that's that's a short-term fix but if you ultimately want that building gone for parking that is not your answer you have 47 Acres is on site parking needs
to be moved up on top behind up on the hill if you're going to spend money into parking you need to look longterm and go up on the hill and do a parking lot up there is that where if we want to relocate on site there's access off
County 19 we can put a building back in the woods up there on site if if we want to remain in that area I'm on a local Township as well we work really good with your County Highway and your zoning office they're excellent um all your
offices are good and you have to continue that crosswork with uh the with the Pelican Watershed as well um this is just opening discussions we need to table this and uh see what's going to work for both parties yeah Charlie there
was no there was just an update this is nothing for I understand that but one thing too is is where the building's located I I suggested if if people would park correctly there's enough room to park at angles on both sides and leave that Alleyway open too we would only
need two parking spots out of that whole parking area for the doors if they were moved onto the north side of that building that building is set back 5 ft from the property line right up against the DNR Fisheries so it's tight back
there and it's not way up front and if you haven't been out there and seen this location I welcome you to go and look at it that building is structurally sound I know the Builder mark hobman from 1987 he put it up the building is still sound
and it's kind of a waste of a resource for us to take it down if it has to go I understand it that's ultimately it's going to probably be your decisions Mr chair I I think I I don't disagree with anything you said I mean I was thinking of future parking um you know on the
rack we talked about the new building out there but we also talked about recently about gutting the old building and leaving it there um you know the the the troll is out there on that little pathway um will that require more parking the bowling alley in town where
a lot of people Park and walk their dogs out to Dun locks and um you know it's it's really a futuristic thing I think right now we're fine however I just I think we got to think down the road and maybe this is the start of it the building's still good um we stay stay
there for now I mean that's my opinion but that door being on the Gable end on the east side that eats up a lot of space that eats up all that space has to stay open um and maybe it's just a Band-Aid but if you ultimately need
parking you need to go up on the hill behind the site behind the park and think of having an entrance from up on Higher Ground to overlooking par um parking lot up on top if I was looking strategically long term that's what I'd
look at Steve can we change the door you think those doors can be changed on that's you just have to put a header in constructionally they're taller now uh which we don't have a requirement for that for what we in there is not tall
stuff um you're talking about the other end of the building side put it on the side um there's not a it's not a wetland or anything going through that fill there's no fill on the drive as you drive in it's it's level ground
all the way to the building there in fact that would be the access to that building it'd be two parking spots so but we're talking about stuff that a lot of you probably haven't seen so be before we talk about it again I welcome
you to go out and uh do a tour of this location well I think everyone's been on site specifically looking at a area you know to where a door could go maybe not have to review that part you know to see how that looked again to but and see
how many spaces that would add for us but no we're we're um I think we're open to any discussions and but this is again this is we're talking next year at the earliest yeah to do much of anything
really but I think we can look at maybe moving the doors sooner than that but if possible I don't know or or if the building's not going to go be there I don't know if we want to we still haven't decided about what we're doing doing yeah so yeah let's just yeah let yeah no but thank you we uh can have
some good discussion um yeah any anybody else have anything for so this subject is tabled yes and I'm happy to do that I just well yeah we we it was going to be it was just informational okay thank you
Charlie there was no notion okay um k we still have you yeah and uh I'll I'll go to my last item but I if I may suggest perhaps after I'm done this maybe you want to take a break well we can do we do you want I'll
finish my last item if that's okay okay we have two actually left oh you're right so then we'll take a break thank you all right so the next item um is a joint training opportunity I'm G ask Amy if you want to come up front um I asked Aman there is a memo in your packet this is a conversation that's been had
between um the county um the city 412 the chamber am I missing anybody no that's everyone um so we had been uh meeting just talking about Community needs and and what we can collaborate on more and I'm going to actually let you just give the highlights of this uh
training opportunity because I know you've done the research sure absolutely good morning everyone my name is Amy Sterns and I'm with project 412 and we have an opportunity to bring in a gentleman named Jeff seagler and I think I've talked with many of you before about him he's a a gentleman who's a
kind of a a Civic planner he looks at um when you're just having the discussion about parking lots uh his big thing is don't build more parking lots uh people will find you be worried about what you're bringing people to town for to the county for uh they'll figure out where to park uh but of course there's
always a need for parking lots so but anyway um he we have an opportunity bringing him in he is uh he talks a lot about uh F what our future planning uh Mr Hansen had talked about a need for strategic planning that could possibly be a start of it uh but we're what we're
looking at doing is bringing him in in miday uh to tie in with the Regional Chamber Of commerce's annual meeting and to have him here for two days of meeting with people looking at our community as a as a bigger uh picture and seeing where we might want to go with some
different projects and and ideas and we'd love to have the support of the county we we're requesting $3,000 from the county from the Detroit Lakes Development Authority project for2 will put in $3,000 and the Chamber is going to do some in kind and so to bring it all together and there'd be an
opportunity for you as a board to meet with him or he could be part of some sort of ad hoc training meeting or whatever you'd like to do we could figure that out with Carrie as it goes Mr chair I'd like to thank Amy for coming in and presenting and um I I just
think project 412 has been great for this community it really separates this community this area this region from from other places and and thanks for your hard work thank you um I would uh move to approve the $3,000 uh uh in conjunction with the
other entities to for this to bring this uh Jeff yes same Jeff y so we have a motion to approve the Don the donation of $3,000
to Bringing Jeff Sigler yep yeah Sigler to to our community um do we have a second I'll second that so we have a motion in a second do we have any discussion I guess I think this probably
better fitted for Eda to that's was going to be my to spend money on I think that our economic development is um reviews countywide and I I I just think if it was going to be spent I think Eda would be where the money's come from and
um piggyback with what what we're trying to do countywide but um I I do have to say thank you for everything that 412 has done I'm I'm lukewarm at best for spending this kind of money anyway but um I understand people that that think
it's has value but I I won't as a for the county to spend the money I won't support it if the BDA chooses to support it I think that would be more appropriate um but that's my opinion is it is it appropriate Carrie to amend with if it's a good with the motion or
to amend that for the funding to come from Eda have to go through Eda first have to go to Eda first uh you know I I'll amend that I'll amend that that motion to go through Eda I I don't want to start a precedent has been started before I
don't either I the only thing is I know that she's very dedicated to our community and 3,000 is not I don't want to waste money either it's not a huge amount I think she's done she's done a lot for for bringing people here
so uh but I think it should probably go through the Ada I think I think Barry's right about that okay so my amended motion would be I don't know that we need a motion I would if you're going to make a motion you would recommend Eda to support oh okay I mean that because the money will
need to come through the Eda board so does Amy need to go the next time the Eda meets and well she the request would go to the Ed or whether you go and ask for in person or not all right then then I'll could just rece I'll withdraw the motion then do my only my only thought
is is if we want to go through the Eda the Eda doesn't meet until the third Tuesday or third Thursday which is going to be after the next board meeting so then the soonest it would come back to the board it doesn't come back to this board well that typically though I thought EA stuff comes don't believe so
does it to the board for approval well I I also think it's a low dollar amount as well yeah that's that's my only thing it's not not a huge amount of money anymore it used to be that's not a huge amount of money anymore I I think the Eda would be able to prove that easily okay so is that consensus of the board
we'll go to the UDA yeah that's just fine whichever way to do it is thank you thanks Amy yeah and and just for clarification I I just thought it was important for the board to hear an update on this as well so all right uh thank you Amy thanks Amy Carrie we have one more item for you then we are taking
a break all right I am going to pass pass the mic to [Music] Steve good morning Mr chair and board members uh for a number of years Becker County along with the state has been looking at uh amending the demolition
building materials rules on how you landfill those and as a result of posos that they found in the groundwater and uh the npca recently came out with some Grant rounds to help Foster Regional planning on how to deal with the impact
of changing the rules of a demo landfill so they they they released a grant round that will give up to $300,000 if counties come together and start doing Regional planning and the state will cover 90% of that
cost uh the Seven Counties in in The prair Lakes Municipal Solid Waste Authority along with popee and Douglas counties are joining together right now to uh apply for a grant and this grant would be administered in a couple different phases one is the counties
would initially make a proposal to the state and and the in that proposal we'd be having our ask which would be to do a study of our current facilities and what would be what the impact of the rules would be on the counties and in the region and
then also to find find out what the impact both financially and uh what it would do to different parts of the communities that are involved so this is a this is a big study so the once you do this initial
ask the grant would actually cover a firm the cost to hire a firm to do the to do the study and then bring it back and so what we're asking is the Becker County participate in this Regional study and the other Counties
have committed uh initially they were we were talking about going through Prairie Lakes Municipal Solid Waste Authority and then the decision was made to not go through and have Prairie Lakes do the fiscal management of this otel County will be the
lead and so uh right now if the max amount and everybody participated the cost to Becker County would be $8,400 that's not saying it'll necessarily be that amount because uh cost would be for the
consultant so if the study the study and and everything should be at or under 300,000 correct we're not I mean there's not going to be a request to go and if it's and if it's at 300,000 the cost would be 8,400 8,400 the only risk you would run that if some of these counties
pull out and and then you I I myself I don't see that happening because I just got this yesterday and they said they gave these numbers and these other Counties have committed to it that's my understanding and I'd like to be able to expand this and maybe include maybe Norman or
monoman County if they're interested not that that would change it much but it' be a little bit is white Earth part of this white Earth would be part of this but the portion that's in Becker County would be covered by Becker County Steve what uh so we talked about this a little bit at the Prairie Lakes meeting a
little bit so I'm I'm still coming up to speed um what what are we trying to gain from this study what will it tell us at the end of the day okay sure that's a good question so what's going to happen when they change these rules is more
more than likely a number of these demo landfills will disappear they just can't afford to operate them they're going to require that liners be put into place you have le8 control you're going to have to do different things you have different management practices and as a result you're going to
have more you you'll have less landfills but the ones that you have will be larger and always our intent has been to keep ours open if possible this become more like a sub region landfill so other counties it's called a hub and spoke system so if you have demo that's coming
from a smaller County that's shutting theirs down they might create a place where they can collect that and then transfer it over to our facility or to the nearest one that will take it this will also look at creating
rules on ways that we can work together to more to equalize differences between tip fees or how we want to fund demolition landfills going into the future and then when the study is done hopefully what we're going to be doing
is looking at where our needs are both from landfill and our capacity but also in in our communities where do we want to create capacity so that residents can get rid of this stuff without having to go a long
distance and once you do that we'll identify those costs and what the needs are to do that let's say for for example at o oage we decide well we're going to create more capacity there well what would we as a county what do we have additional infrastructure that we would
like to be put in place there that would allow us to better handle that demolition there and get it here or maybe at our facility where we have is there better ways that we can prep that material and pull more out of the waist stream so it's not all landfill those are those ideas and thoughts will be
looked at and once those costs are identified that would be sent to the mpca and when they start adopting these rules you'll have the background data that's going to identify the costs that you need for infrastructure and then the state would help cover some of those costs that's
the that's the hope so who would be I I talked to Chris over there and he said you know he didn't think it was a joint powers that he should lead it who's going to be heading this up so a I talked to Chris yesterday after I talked to you and otel County will be the lead okay so Otter Tail so Chris is the guy
at OT and he's the joint Powers guy so he's leading up on behalf of otter tale County and the rest of the participating County so what he was doing and he sent me an email on this they're going to come up with a list of things that they want each County to
put together for them when he's packaging together this request to the mpca that they're going to want to know certain things like what the volume what are our plans uh what what does Becker County want out of this and they're going to need some background data to
look at that and then look at it holistically so they're going to ask for the same information from these different counties and then the autel county will then package that together in that request so he's going to be reaching out to Consultants saying okay what's when we move forward on this
these are these are what we want you to look for and to examine and come back with a report on then they'll come back with a cost or so it' be like RFP so he would be heading that first step the Second Step would be then when
we actually get a grant awarded to do that study and once that study's done this will go back to the state along with a request I believe that says this is what we want to make this happen and they're going to be looking that like I
said not just at how much uh landfill space it's going to be needed in this region they're going to look at how do you get it there which would be transportation the and then how many sites do you need to where you
can best fit places where you can collect it so a very comprehensive plan it's going to be a very this is the biggest plan that I've seen and it's a competitive Grant you know I don't it's it's competitive as in in the fact that they won't let an individual County or entity
apply on their own you have to be part of at least three counties or three entities to apply the the concern many counties have is that Minnesota pollution control and gather all this information and then they impose rules on you when you give
them the information they saying well now we have identified you're over this or over that and make you shut down or make you so there's concerns on counties and the other thing with with with um the state's not giving these renewals and they're just sitting on them even if
you jump through all the hoop so it's the state has a mess I don't know I don't know if this is part of their solution to find out how they can regionalize and and fix something but these smaller counties are not getting their renewals for their landfills and and they're they're struggling I don't I
don't know I don't know what the state's plan is and I don't know if this is part to in to betterment to make it better or just to gather information or to make their case stronger I don't know personally I think it's a
combination thereof because the counties North of us had did a study a very extensive study they approached the legislature looking for funding for that it was too much and they and they they wouldn't fund it excuse me uh I think the state is looking if they're they're
planning on rolling out the new demo rules I heard in one uh meeting that first quarter of 25 they're planning on starting the ru making process and I think they want to find out what will be the impact you know what's what's going to be the
need moving forward and this is part of that to incentivize counties to gather information and put together plans on what they're going to do to react to the change in the rules it's because they they don't know
what the impact will be but it it will be pretty significant as as commissioner Nelson indicated the amount of demo landfill space out there is it's they're holding back expansions some have shut down already monoman County had one they shut
their facil down a couple years ago um there's numerous counties waiting years years and years and years I mean to get perative they just they don't respond so I'm not saying this is bad but I just well it is information I
don't I don't know that I want to take everybody else's demo material here in Becker County I don't I I know we need to take care of our own we definitely do I don't know that we need everybody else's uh well we don't have the y for it yeah well well those are those are
things that a study would look at they would look at that versus maybe maybe you should have one Regional one I I I don't know that I don't know that but that's that's what you where would this money come from out of your budget it would it would come from our professional it is good it it is good information
Barry oh it's great information what how it's used might not be good yeah and and I agree with you there but we maybe are better off to be it is a big thing and we're maybe better off to be part of it and no part of it I I think we move forward with it but I there are concerns
do I do I have have the same concerns you have well if we do move forward and they do this study and they determine this stuff do we have to follow it then no if we are outside a guidelines yes okay outside if they change policy because of it yeah okay if they change policy because then we
okay that's but they're already doing that they're shutting down these Dem so so so what could help us could help our case I think that's the intention shows that's why we're moving forward because we're hoping it will move help us and I
think we want to take care I mean there's lots of concerns in it I think but um you just go in it with eyes wide open that this right this has some possible costs effectively so do we have a motion
to approve the memorandum for Action to become Regional planning for demolition waste study I'll make that motion okay which also cost us up to 8400 so rich could it be more than $8,400 no no if it would it
would have to be brought back to the board okay I'll second that motion all right Mr chair it's it's the County Board um motion to support participating in the application for mpca grant for regional planning of disposal building was is that the that motion yeah that is
the motion but the the max of $800 $800 $8,400 yeah $8,400 $8,400 is that good for both y okay oh we have motion a second any further discussion okay all in favor signif by saying I I opposed all right motion carries thank you all
right we're going to take a five minute break thank you so we'll be back here in five minutes just a point of information the new the courthouse building was purchased by was built by Eda the money was flow
e e e e e e e e e e
e e e e e e so we'll we'll move on to Planning and Zoning with Kyle good morning Mr chair uh Commissioners have planning
recommendations for you um from January 29th the first applicant being Lakeside Estates which is a supplemental plat for 10 lots to be known as Grand View Estates on Nelson Lake it's a supplemental plat to a current common interest community
um I know there was some opposition to this in the previous years we had not seen any of that opposition basically for I think the fact that this was approved um in 2002 for 38 units um it's just kind of a more phased development
so the units have been approved it's been amended in there uh time or two for different things from for plexes to actual residential lots um the area is zon high density residential it's the
only area I know that has that that was done in uh 2012 um so we do have high density in our ordinance but this is the only parcel I know of that actually is zoned that way but again there was some opposition and maybe some
misunderstanding that this project has been approved they just do it in phases there's no Lake access with these is there um there is a total of 14 slips for the project itself I'm not so how they divide those slips is up to them through the Declarations but there's no
new additional Lake slips spits with so I mean the whole Shore is common you can swim whatever but a slip would have to be through the bylaws if you get this over it's over on the point or but in the Southeast Corner kind of um Nelson
Northeast there's get on those Lakes it hard to figure your directions but yeah so this is past theapy acres and kind of north of that yes and the project is on the point but these current structures are going
to be to the East and then I believe the Southwest but yes that's subject property do we have a go ahead I'll make a motion to approve the supplement plat you have a second I'll second motion by Eric a second by Richard uh any discussion okay all in favor signify by
saying I I I oppos all motion carries um the second application was withdrawn um I did hear earlier some of your discussion on the industrialization of wholesale growing it um that's something we can look at in this ordinance update
um we kind of knew this was going to be trial and error when we adopted these RS um but again that's been with John not to say um I do know there is um an inquiry in eie Township so we most likely will see this again uh but again
we can look at amending as we go um just to make sure on the time sensitive part of it um that we make sure if it's over the 60 days that we have rational reasons for for delaying it we don't get caught in that automatic approval approval yes sir and
and I think with the state not having their rules figured out we should be hopefully that we have some extra time when when the state doesn't have the rules right and that was discussed there as well I mean we had quite the
discussion a third applicant uh Mota PO power Co-op requesting a conditional use permit for a substation um this will be going adjacent to an existing substation owned by aoer power Mota explained that um
this one will enhance their current substation um known as the Eerie substation on eie Hill the recommendation was to approve I'll move to approve the Mota Co-op request for conditional use permit second second by Barry motion by Phil
second by Barry any uh discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I opposed all right motion carries uh Kyle one more thing uh just can we uh you sent me an email yesterday about the ordinance review can you take me through that what you said it might take a
little longer than expected you know me and Barry and I are on the ordinance Review Committee so the process is you're going to do what and then when do we come into the picture and what does that look like so the DNR uh Roger Hill um Soil and Water Ed CLM and then Scott
walls who's the advisory committee chairman and I have met once we're going to continue to meet through March just ironing out some of these things once we have something for you to review we'll call that meeting to order so hopefully about the end of March we'll have this
done okay um but again it is lengthy it's 100 and some pages 160 some pages um you know we would like to be done by you know the construction season but just vetting it through the public and other government agencies might take
some time as you guys seen with the comp plan this is regulatory so I'm assuming it's going to be even are we are you doing multiple ordinances at through this process and kind revising our old ordinances and putting them so our old
ordinance are standing until this ised but we're going to go through the entire thing yeah and I we I've got a copy an old copy of that I mean the revised one and maybe you could find one of those for Phil so he can review it because I did a lot of markups on that one um but
it it's it's hu it's huge about this thing and uh we reviewed it once months ago I mean but we didn't dive into that at all well and part of the problem with the document itself you know originating back in the early '70s till now it's
been amended probably 40 some times um with different ideas throughout those years and different interpretations and when we dove into it it's just contradicts itself yeah and that's what Kyle's I think C taking so much time but
so once the ba basic the big job gets done there will be opportunities to amend or change or add after that also I mean the on the on the so if if we missed something or got something wrong or want to add something
new we can always do that through our through our committee um but as Kyle's working for the big project to get it the Baseline down I suppose that takes you know quite a bit of time well just just to be clear part of the you know so the last time we met we discussed retaining walls I think we met at I
don't know an hour or two and we we did not establish any language this last meeting with just the four of us we established paragraphs of language I mean it just goes a lot smoother with you know it goes a lot smoother with one person doing it but if
you want any I mean and we will have to have the input you know but to develop the language itself instead of 10 people doing that um we sit in that advisory committee meeting and we'll argue about a sentence for you know quite some time if you have a group of 10 people in
there it's right it's it's so at that time you just take a you know one you you'd look at two or three things a day trying to trying to get through them so if you can get that big document kind of and then we can look through it and but ultimately to Phil's point just so to
Phil just to fill you in um this ordinance will not come before this board without a recommendation from that advisory committee so it has to go we're just trying to do some leg work to alleviate timelines as all and and Mr chair so we just did this over the past
year with the Watershed it's very important to me at a high level that we are talking together so the end end the customer at the end is getting the same message from the county and the Watershed that's that's the end result which I think is very important um you
know we did we have the same thing at the Watershed we have these best management practices well we we adopted them did they become actual rules or are they just suggestions so that's why we've went through that and you just mentioned that you know there's been a
lot of things that have changed over the years so this is something we should do and and hopefully we're sending the end user the customer our residents uh a singular message so that's that's what's important to me I think that's what the key is here is you you get it in I mean
we can look at specific parts of the ordinance that affect what we're but Kyle's job is to marry all these things together and that's what's difficult so you're not having conflicting statements throughout your ordinance right and I and I know there has been discuss
discussion on thatou as well so according to thatou it's in effect okay until we enter into a long-term Shoreline management agreement hopefully we can do that sooner and later but again just see how how long the public review takes of the
document I'd rather take the time and do it right than try to hurry like like you mention I wanted to roll it out this spring but it let's get it right we're go ahead pelican pelican Watershed can roll out theirs with the understanding that we have the an
existing agreement and we're the county is trying to modify and then amend if there's any changes is that what we're looking at essentially yes well any anything else for Kyle all right thanks Kyle Mr I'll leave I I would recommend getting him a copy of
that I mean just just to look at the old ordinance I mean the ones that that DDA or was a DDA no no no no Molton Bank no you gave we had that huge document I mean at least you get your get a little understanding of it I'll put one I
talked to Nicole have a run me a hard copy I'll put it in the mailbox thank you but it's nice to I like writing on them you know when you're reviewing like that all right so you tiarra we have job descriptions um I'd like to go byy through them one at a
time I mean this is this is your meeting so absolutely we we can go right on ahead and do that I think I think uh I've been in meetings with most of these yeah too has there any any questions through the Sheriff's uh the sheriff's committee we did not bring any of those job
descriptions forward they will be coming there was a couple small questions on there was some questions on them so yes they will be coming forward hopefully either the later part of this month or beginning of next okay but other than that yes they've gone through all their respective committees they've been
approved by department heads they've been I think they were vetted pretty well and those haven't are still being vetted so I don't have any questions I didn't have any questions either I don't have any questions motion to approve do we have a second to approve the job
description I'll second second okay a motion by Barry second by Richard he beat you any any uh further discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I I oppose all right motion carries thanks T thank you thank you Jim
uh good morning Mr chair members of the board morning uh iway has a couple items for your consideration first is a um looking seeking authorization to approve a contract professional service contract with Houston engineering to
provide Construction Services on the Heartland Trail construction this summer uh they have an estimate of around a little under $154,000 it's based off of their time and expenses and uh it will be paid for
with the state bond funds that we seek reimbursement through the DNR on so I don't know if you have any further questions it's 100% reimbursable except for your time that Gathering it is that correct correct our our time is actually reimbursable too okay
good all right do we have a motion to approve the construction service agreement for the Heartland Trail I'll make a motion ER makes would you like to Second it Richard yeah R second it all right any any further discussion okay all in
favor signify by saying I I oppos all right motion carries second item uh is a a capital purchase request uh we had a pressure washer fail at our oage Stop Shop we are seeking to replace that uh we have an
estimate on the unit which we feel will service well for $6,700 uh for an electric pressure washer uh that would be propane uh heated and uh replaces a one that um was
an old gas one uh that was run off kerosene to heat the water so we figured machine should last long the old one is about was purchased in 2008 so we we did get our money's worth out of that one and it's not a plan purchase but we do
have money in our budget Mr chair just a question um I know this is a long shot but um one of the decontamination units from soil from um Soil and Water was dis was wasn't needed anymore and that's probably not um ACC
or good enough that that was heated pressure washer also it is yeah that that we are currently using that out there that's what you're using we're yeah we're um that's parked in there it does take up space and then we have a makeshift exhaust vent for that one cuz that's a gasoline powered one as well uh
this will be like a permanent fixture um won't be moved around so you just mentioned the reason why it's not good in there it's a gas powered one that's out an out for outdoors mo more of a mobile one but corre correct so you are utilizing it but just this fit is
not so I mean we could use that one through this year if you wanted us to wait till next year but I think this amount of for this unit we can work within our budget this year do we have a motion to approve the purchase of the pressure washer for
$6,700 do you have any other uses for the mobile one that would just be I mean yes we use that for jetting and steaming coverts uh that that was a great uh gift from them for us to use and that will be used this spring and for other uses as
well I think you know I think this probably it's an i' assume it's a needed purchase whether it's now or later in the spring so get it set up get it set up now yeah I'll make a motion all right we have a motion motion by Richard uh we
have a second a second all right second by Erica all in favor or there any discussion uh one one discussion just uh so this was $6,700 is there is is it a $5,000 limit that needs to come before the board is that right $5,000
one 5,000 And1 needs to come okay all right all right um all in favor signify by saying I I opposed all right motion carries thank you yeah thanks you Todd we have half a
shage sheriff glander are you clearing your throat so you can make it through the list I should have brought a water with I add to both your cough drops a little bit uh good morning Mr chair members of the board as commissioner Nelson said
long committee meeting and a long list of items for approval and discussion uh item number one uh we are looking for approval to purchase a um it's an analog recording device through Nelson
systems for a cost of 6,999 95 this will uh give us the capability of recording more channels on our radio system which there have been times where we went to look back and the
items or the uh recordings aren't there because we don't have enough space so this and this is out of a grant this is out of our grant correct motion to approve we have a motion to purchase the analog card and we have a second second
all right any further discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I I opposed all right motion carries thank you item number two is uh request to purchase squad car equipment with a total cost of
91,92 53 and this is in our budget as regular purchase I'm just wanted to point out that um if you see there's five squads and and six computers um one of those computers is a replacement for existing cuz our cars
last a lot longer than our computer so yes all right do we have a motion approve the purchase of the squad equipment second all right any discussion okay all in favor signy signify by saying I all right Mo
carries item number three uh this is for appointing someone to our Northwest Regional advisory committee Mr chair um Amanda missed who made the motion second Barry made the motion sorry I cough I'm sorry I should have stayed thank you MH
all right go ahead Todd okay item number three is a request to uh put Chief Deputy Shane Richard on the Northwest Regional advisory committee he's been on there for I think since 2012 if uh I
heard right uh it would just make sense to uh continue with him and the alternate would be joanes Stinger who was our Communications supervisor Mr chair um Just for information this is we didn't even know if we should bring this but they kind of
had some language that they wanted we didn't know if it was board approval but anyway so I'll make a motion to approve Shane as a appointee and Joan as the alternate for the Northwest emergency communication board member we have a second I'll second all right any further
discussion okay all in favor um I have little the the rack committee appointments was that a mistake to put that in there is there some connection with the Northwest emergency committee it's a it's a different rack oh okay yeah Regional advisory Regional it's Northwest Regional advisory all right all in favor signify by saying I
I opposed all right motion carries it should actually be NEC right Northwest emergency yeah but it's it's called The Rack committee when they in their group I don't know why Regional advisory yeah reg yeah just that's what it's called all right Todd
go go ahead item number four we are uh requesting to uh sell our 2013 STS truck it's a Ford F-150 uh we are looking at the dis disposing so selling that through
auction or uh if there's another entity you within the county that could use this you'd give it to M we would sell it to that part of the county Mr chair I'll make a motion to authorize the sheriff to to sell the and
we need a we need a um VIN number but to sell the it should be in your pack 150 truck um the VIN number included at a public auction or transfer it to another agency within Becker County I will
second I need more discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I I motion carries a 13 Ford f151 ft blah blah blah all right Todd next okay item
number five um we have uh in Emergency Management trailer that uh we purchased last year and we would like to add a mobile radio for that unit uh the the cost is
8,769 19 that is through Motorola um currently don't have one so uh again we would like to put one in there and that is also in our budget this was vetted quite extensively
probably because of our lengthy meeting because resulting in our lengthy meeting um I question whether we needed it in there and they gave many examples and we went through many situations that um sheriff glander and and the staff explained how why this was needed more
so than than just relying on your own radio so um I ended up supporting it um putting a radio in that emergency trailer so do we have a motion to approve the purchase of the radio I'll make a motion for okay I'll second all
right Phil motion by Barry second by Phil all in favor signify by saying I I I I oppose motion carries item six is our 2023 Emergency Management performance
Grant and the contract agreement term is effective from January 1 of 23 through June 30th of 25 uh and yes they are behind uh for whatever reason but um the the grant agreement is it's a matching
agreement for 27 383 and this uh use is used to pay the salary part of the salary salary for our uh Deputy emergency manager you accept accept it motion to
accept we need a motion to accept so move we have a second I'll second all right motion by Barry second by Phil any discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I same oppos Mo motion carries
all right next one time item number seven we are uh we would like to sell our old trailer that is uh currently holding our uh side by side extended cab side by side uh utility vehicle that
utility vehicle with the tracks is uh it extends out over the back of the trailer and it's at weight capacity it's it's pushing capacity so we would like to purchase a new trailer a 20-ft trailer uh and sell the the old
trailer the the one we are looking at we have uh two quotes in front of you one is for an 18t for 7190 and a 20t for 7348 I would like approval to go with the 20 foot therefore we can not only
haul the side by side but also an ATV along with that what's the estimated value of your trailer you're going to trade I didn't it pretty significant though isn't it's fairly good trailer it's a it's a new
trailer uh Mr chair Todd H how is this used in the where do you use the not the trailer but the what you put on it the side by sides yeah obviously it you know it comes with uh tires Wheels uh and that is used
for uh rescue uh you know anywhere in the county when we put the tracks on obviously you can go over snow um and uh uh basically any any rescue situation that's going to be one of the first vehicles to be called out are
these used out at like weest too yes weest I see we actually borrowed clay counties last year uh same same vehicle that uh that we just bought uh so how many go go ahead I was going to say this was purchased with our uh lawn
or excuse me legislative funds through the state um how many hours do you get on those a year or miles or how it it varies you know we get we get uh uh funds for uh ATV snowmobile Patrol uh just depends on the the weather
obviously uh this how busy we are that varies from year to year I assume this will replace like a four-wheeler down the road so we won't be you know you're not going to we we
are we do have a a single cab side by side that does have a uh medical carrier uh medical person carrier uh in the back of that um it's I'm thinking the little
four-wheelers I mean we're that's what we used to kind of Patrol or watch for yeah and it depends on what trails we're on uh there's Trails out there that aren't intended for the the class 2 ATV which that's what this vehicle is that we're discussing now well where are
these things stored at the new impound building the new right now where are they stored at uh transit or yeah okay all right do we have a motion to approve the purchase of the 20ft trailer for 7348 Mr make a motion to approve the
purchase of the 20ft trailer for 7348 um noting the reason why we didn't go with the lower quot a smaller smaller trailer did not um accommodate both units on the trailer could not accommodate both units on the trailer we have a second a second right motion by
Barry second by Erica all in favor signify by saying I I opposed all right motion carries item number eight I probably should have put that at the end of the list here but uh we'll move forward anyway uh this is just a update
on our impound building uh we call it an impound building because that's where for many years is at our impound site uh it's not just an impound building but it's a storage building for the equipment that some of the equipment
we're talking about here uh we've been discussing this for 10 years and uh the board uh gave approval to go out at this point and search for um items to be put into a spec sheet for
spec build whatever you want to call it uh we received the spec sheet for the building but we have yet to reach out to uh the plumbing side and the electrical side uh I did reach out
to the plumbing but the uh the person that I spoke to were they were busy on another uh project so I'm waiting to get in touch with them again to sit down and go through this um maybe just for you know for Phil's
education we um the board approved to or the board asked our consultant to look into this and they came back um they they asked our um people that we've worked with our our construction managers what it would cost to do a um
like a concrete or or steel structure I think there look more at steel and the price was considerably higher than what we were probably willing to expand at the time um you know you're they were talking in that $4 million range for a home
building that has no office space it's just storage um a workstation um storage for for another entity such as DNR that we'd rent space back to them STS um STS uh dive rescue I mean a lot of entities
would have space out there that need need some of that space it's a big it's a considerable size but we felt 4 million was not a price point where we were really interested in so what we're looking at now is more of a a stick built or pole building depends on how what we looking at with um there'll be a
bathroom in there obviously but um considerably less expensive um we're looking you know who knows where that price would come in but it's considerably less than half that I would assume you know end product so Mr chair just a couple questions um so and and
thank you for bringing me up to speed a little bit here so are we talking about an impound building or an impound lot both the lot would be behind it and the building would be fully staffed no nobody in there okay well you talked about a bathroom and all this office space yeah this is just for storing our
equipment and we also would like a space in there like for example we currently have evidence well we have evidence Sor in several different places but if we take a vehicle for example for evidence uh a lot of will have to go through that
vehicle uh whether it be with a search warrant or what have you to uh uh gather evidence that vehicle and then that has to be stored in a secure place and right now we are uh paying for that storage for uh currently for a vehicle that we
have in uh in evidence and and again not only evidence but all our equipment are boats um ATVs side by sides um command post emergency trailer bear cap bearat when that
finally comes to us uh again you know what we've run into is we have equipment scattered in several different places at one point it was eight different locations that we have equipment when we have a situation we
have an emergency arise we're constantly okay where did we put that last where is that being stored now and and honestly we can't have that anymore we we have to figure this out and move forward with one building that will Encompass everything that we have so that's what
we're trying to uhhuh get accomplished you know isn't the city working on this too don't they have needs in there is there any way they work together to reduce the cost or not not likely not likely and plus I think not likely or no
no no no okay let's just end the conversation that we we we looked extensively at joining with the city on the Public Works building and through all the research everything would have to be separate I mean um in the sheriff's case
if you have a secure an something that's like a vehicle that's supposed to be secure now you have that many more people um with access um in this building though we do have a portion of it that the DNR would like to rent some
space now I'm not really sold it that we should but it would give us room to grow into that and that would be a petition in a wall petition separating that but then that gives us additional space in future without building so it would have have the future well we can get income
for temporary or shortterm we will have long-term um but and and we go one step we want to get one step deeper in this the funding of this building which we just don't have the cash to spend even whatever whatever it is um our B our
bond payment for our courthouse is coming off Mary in what 27 early 27 is February 27 is so what I would if we have to bond when we build this we Bond and extend so we put it at the
end so it's not a spike in taxes um so that Bond payment is currently about 550,000 annually um so we can start looking at you know that will come off in 27 so we should just extend that and we could even bring that down we don't have to
you know for a even I'm not saying it's going to be $2 million but if we add $2 million with with if we find other projects that we want to do this we could do a 5-year Bond for for stable you know you don't want you don't want to spike that number up
so we're coming to some ends on some of these Bond payments so Mr chair has the location been determined or all of that is still in play uh we are looking at the uh where the jail is the south side of that uh
plot if I may uh just bring up a couple more things uh you you You' asked there there was a question about where the current impound building is what we call the impound building impound lot that is just east of what is tweet's Refrigeration right
now Ed or the Becker County extension and uh you know we going back I I do just want to remind you that when we sold minimum security building I am going to remind you uh it was earmarked
that money was earmarked for this building over 500,000 so all right so any more questions for Todd about the impound feasibility you got one more okay so I got I got one comment then Todd so you're gonna your new building then will be
500,000 it didn't say it was going to pay for it does it go towards it either go ahead Todd that's right um so I spoke with the uh the company that gave us the speal for the building this morning and uh he had an
idea of uh we're looking out into the future here I I'm not a construction manager I have Sheriff duties that I have to continue doing there's nobody in my office that has time to put toward this building full time
and again we've been we've been talking about this a long time when speaking to the uh individual this morning that person said that he or whoever um with the just the spec sheet we have for the building that person would be able to
subcontract the plumbing and electrical and whatever else I don't know if the board wants to move forward that way uh we also have used a an architect company uh Klean McCarthy we could reach out to
them to get this process moving more quickly I'm looking at recommendation from the board we just we discussed this in committee a little bit I don't think we came to any conclusion though did we we
didn't so I think it goes through a committee and yeah yeah I was say I'm I'm on board with moving forward I just don't know what that looks like so I mean I think before we can make any decisions I I would like to have well I think the next step is to
kind of get show show the full board maybe a little 15 minute work session 20- minute work session at a board at a board meeting at the end saying this is what it this is what the building looks like show what the layout is and saying these are our options to get there is
the board comfortable moving um to to move forward on this building for approximately this amount of money and if we're not yep you know we just have you have to be we have to be aware of how much is is going to cost us going into it you don't want to move all these forward and
saying oh I didn't know it was going to cost that much so um and then if we're comfortable with that then we decide which Avenue if you want to hire an architect to or a subcontract or a construction manager or or if you want a how you want to bid that but we have to bid it have
to put it out for bids to be equally fair or or somehow put out requests for proposals I don't know how you would go about that without hard number so can we plan that for the next board or Would we not be ready for
it um I don't know if you'd be ready because I think you're you won't be here but I was just thinking sorry I was just gonna say I think what you're asking to is for some direction as far as um whether that be an architect or a construction manager
to put these plant together correct yes that or that go that road yes I don't know that I can a construction manager kind of gives you what I'm what the cost would be what the what the maximum cost would be for this building
and they put it up right kind of like we we did that with you know the highway and the but I but they have specs correct and I think what you're saying is that you're probably not in the position to put all of this
together well again it takes time and and I I I expected that I would be further ahead than than what I am today and I'm not and again uh mov we would like this get like to get it done as
soon as possible it's not I mean is it an emergency probably not but it would be really nice to get our equipment in one place later too is ask asking Mary or Administration to um see what the funding route will be if for this too to
see and because I think interest rates are coming have come down I think a small loan like this would be very attractive to and maybe we don't need to bond for maybe we just go to a local bank and might might be as good I don't even know but I know that's buffalo buffalo red when they did it they got a
local bank to borrow the money and it was unheard of Interest how that was during a different time of course but it was like unheard of low dollar M so so so um you won't be here next board you'll be here the F first board meeting in March I I I looked at or I thought
about the calendar I I will be here for the next meeting I think the next meeting we just need to move forward if the board's okay with a dollar amount up up to a dollar amount on for this building something like that or um or give a general consensus that
we're comfortable with this and and maybe Mary and and Carrie can tell us how we can fund that um if we can fund that through um payments starting after that Bond payment is finished you know so if we build it in say it's built
in fall winter of and finished in 25 26 if we can start paying that back in at when that Bond payment comes out I think the last year it reduces um by about 100,000 the payment goes from 550 to 4 something so it does drop that last
payment so we don't have an influx of property tax on that when it does come to that's what I'd like to see I know if the bre the board's kind of yeah I I would like that if we can do that by the next board meeting that'd be great and what do you need from me just
a we kind of need a somewhat idea ballpark of the total cost I mean if you or who and who who we'd be going with if they haven't if you have a construction manager that you have in mind or not and how that and how that would play out I
think that might have to just be vetted at committee a little bit anyway we so we could have a committee meeting I guess you know is is the board the board sees a need I think that's the first question does the board see a need
I mean Sheriff glander can show that he's got machinery and equipment in how many different spots you think at one time eight locations eight locations yeah I I see the need I mean I think I I understand the importance of it being in one location you know if we have a
disaster and we're sending deputies in eight different directions to get equipment or whatever it might be that's that's not feasible so I I I believe we do have a need we just have to figure out how to get there in the past we were we thought this would be an under under
a million dollar building in the past and that's where and now it's not um say the dimensions of it again 80 by 200 80 by2 200 full concrete heated sprinklers bathroom one bathroom a workstation not a work not an office
just a spot that you can plug in a computer to to check two bathrooms one for the people coming in from the partition area and one for the secure side yeah there will be a secure area for
for and then so do if we need to have a committee meeting is it okay if Todd does that before so an 80 by 200 I'm just now if you want to go
full out steel you know steel building with I mean if you want to go that route it's you're we're looking at and this included this included a lot of expense that probably we could shave down but that that quote from mof was $4
million yep and that was dirt a lot of dirt work contingencies I don't know how they could get a lot of that but I I think they could shave that down some but I I we just at committee thought yeah that's OD I don't think we need that type of building for a a storage
even heated storage so but I think the board has time you know now if you agree or disagree I would like to just see a maybe stick built but maybe pole building either way I mean I stick built my little shop it's not that big
and I like sck I holes in the ground I like con the ground but and it's not that much more to to pour a shallow footing cuz that it's all sand out there yeah I don't like polls rot off I don't like spending that kind of money on
something that's gonna I don't think a stick buil building will cost that much it's not that much more money I I did mine that way I don't I don't have any poles we we pour a footing and and it's all stick built so I don't know if we're going to spend money I I
would like to see something that's going to last so well I think either one of those are 50 50-year building I mean look at Pelican Watershed and and you know that's still a solid building it doesn't look the greatest probably but um that's 50 years old already so it's a
even a pole building is a 50-year building so yeah they don't move much but the poles do they rot right off at ground level that's what they do all right wood and dirt don't mix but all right so the consensus is we're going to have so we're we're comfortable
with with moving forward with with we we're committed that is the board committed to doing this project in the next three to nine months three to three months to a year yes so and if you need to if you need to
call a committee meeting before the next board meeting then just do it we will yeah I already got a notice here okay Mr chair I me um I I know periodically I've brought up the idea and I'm gonna say this before I I know you're not in favor of this um but looking at alternative
options too out at the landfill shifting buildings and such out there so I just want some direction from this board if you want me to you know only look at this plan or what would you like from that I I I think it would be good for us to have all
options and then we can hear all sides and make a decision from there I kind of like it the location where he's asked well for one thing y it's all sand there it's a lot easier to build there than it is at the landfill and if he's in if he
needs to get a piece of equipment in an emergency that's a quicker option I think right there and easier and so yeah there's I mean I think it I think you could look at it might not take long to look at it but the another negative at the Landfield you got the train you're
on the wrong side of the train tracks if in emergency B I think you brought that up before but at a minimum it will be cheaper to build there at at on that sand than in that home out at at blandfield is it completely different
well the only and the other positive that I see is obviously you have the jail staff their 247 you know monitoring I mean you have impound and I mean I see that site more secure for that type but yeah and and
how this came up with the hazardous waste building you know some questions have come up as far as whether or not that's up to specs of what's required and that building is sitting out there and you know potentially you could I again I don't know if this is even a
possibility but it came up you know is that a feasible location for what he's asking for and again I I want to say that with the understanding that you're not support of that because you've made that pretty clear but what building is not the Hazardous weight the Hazardous we the the one that was saying not here
one Sano Sano you mean the one way over in the yes and if I may uh Richard and and car you brought up some of the reasons why I don't and uh I understand that is you know County property as well I I look at
the distance from as long as we're going to be at the sheriff Sheriff's Office uh the distance to go to the landfill or transfer station compared to the jail and then uh like I think uh commissioner Nelson said having uh somebody occupying
that space 24/7 with the correction staff um and then just access to going in through the gate takes additional time going you know back to where the uh that hazardous waste building
is uh I just think the ideal place is at the uh jail site yeah it's on a state highway it's yeah it's that's the best place for it you know as far as I think for emergencies you know that I guess I
wasn't aware of the shortcomings of that building I just learned this like in the last I don't know if it was yesterday or Friday it was very recent um but again I just wanted to give you you know all the all the options may maybe that's something that
can be figured out at the committee level have more conversation if the committee feels like this is yeah I was just looking for a direction if you don't want me purs that I don't need to but you touch on it for sure M um I I do think there is enough negatives or for
that spot but I mean it should look I mean it should be looked at I I so I think the board's saying is just look at it and what possibly okay maybe not possibly well what what other uses I mean we can start or what or maybe something else yeah yeah like I talked
about with the domino effect you look at one and then it kind of rolls in into the next all right any any other discussion on the feasibility all right Todd okay you have another yes number nine is a purchase
request we need to upgrade our uh celebrate uh computer uh a few years ago we received celebrate equipment which is equipment used to uh uh look through cell phones uh for serious
crimes uh such as uh um child related uh crimes serious offenses homicide uh you know of course the bigger cases that computer is coming to the end of life so we are looking at uh purchasing a workstation through suur
which is uh a low quote or it's the low quote of 5,908 compared to uh well as high as 18,000 but uh 78.95 would be the closest that we
found uh again this is uh the one we have is uh not able to keep up to what we currently have um and this is in our budget I'll make a motion to approve up
to $598 for the samori forensic workstation so I'll second so we have motion by Erica second by Barry do we have any further discuss chair um this is you're you're not paying out of this legislative funds or legislative funds
it's not in your budget it is in the we have money in the budget for this but it it can come out of the legislative funds I would on our committee you said it was legislative funds yeah I believe you did say legislative I don't have those I believe so do do you want me to amend my no I don't need to I just want
to clarify this take it out of legislative funds it's this when we were talking it was it was not budgeted it was legislative F right all right any further discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I oppose
carries and lastly uh we have a h 2024 Hazard mitigation plan that we need approved we have the resolution before you 0225 1D um this is what our Deputy emergency
manager uh put together and it's in your packet we discuss this at the committee meeting as well do we have a motion to approve 1 D I'll make a motion to approve 1 D we
have a second second a motion by Eric second by bury any discussion all in favor signify by saying I I I oppose same motion carries thank you yep do we have anything else
carry we are adjourned yeah I got a lot for who you oh boy too much politics huh okay I could I could