and >> I'll call the meeting to order with the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for
all. All right. Good morning, everyone. Um, any changes to the agenda this morning? >> Uh, yes, Madam Chair. Since we were talking about the AEDs,
I'd like an update on our safety uh things in the county. I know uh environmental had a lot of issues out there and I just I kind of dropped the ball on that. Have a lot of those been rectified. I just wanted to know >> do we want does that need to be on the
agenda or can you just >> talk about under the county administrator report? >> Yeah, that's why I was just wondering if she if it can just be part of >> I can update as much. Yeah, >> as much as you know. >> As much as I know. Sure. >> Okay. >> The AED policy got me thinking of that
as all. >> Yep. >> Any other changes to the agenda? If not, I would entertain a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve the agenda with >> the change. >> All right. Any further discussion?
All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed? >> Motion carries. >> All right. On to the minutes. Do we have any corrections for the minutes? >> I'm I have one, but I don't know if we're going to >> We figured you would.
>> Yeah, I know. It's There's no commas in this one. I don't think so. Um, so on page one of four, number three under committee assignments, um, I don't know what I don't I don't know if that was our exact motion or not
where it says motion and second, >> but it kind of looks like the only thing that we don't have predoms for is the TNT hearing like like board of appeals. >> I think it should be worded. I highlighted that, too. I think it just motion second to to not have prediums
for the TNT hearing, township meetings and work sessions unless determined by the board and a pdeium for the road tour. >> I mean to take the two things that aren't prediums and say just say if unless >> authorized by the board and then just say the TNT meeting will be because it
>> right now it's fragmented into >> fragmented in it. Yeah, it doesn't >> it's it's hard to understand. >> That's all I had. Any other changes or corrections? >> Um, Madam Chair, on page one of two under the recognition of Commissioner
Meyer by Commissioner probably for what reason? I mean, we because he has a cold or no for serving as for serving as board chair in 2025, why we recognized him. Um, and then under regular business on page one, let
me see what I have here. Um, probably a little bit more explanation on the five to two sheriff's cars. Just saying the five sheriff's car has three were previously authorized. >> Yep.
>> Um, I think that was all I had. >> All right. Any anything else? Otherwise, I'll entertain a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes and the changes. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. >> Opposed? >> Motion carries. On to the consent agenda. Anybody want to pull anything from the consent agenda? >> I wanted to pull item nine. >> Okay. >> I have a I I have I have a question on
seven and I think it can be answered without pulling it. So, if you look at page 17, I think it's on page 18. Page 18. If you read through those eight items that clear that the counties have
responsibilities for it's number eight says project costs for CASAW 37 will be paid by Becker County. Yes. But what else is Becker County going to pay for? Are we going to pay for the part of 39 that comes through ours up there or not going to pay? I It doesn't It to me it
doesn't It doesn't >> just pull it. Jim's coming in. So, >> okay. Okay. All right. We'll just pull >> Well, I think Cass. It's Clearwater 39 and Becker 39. >> I think you're right, but it doesn't >> But we want to make that clear. >> Yeah. I don't want to pay for their road. >> Yeah. We're not paying for their
>> No. No. Yeah. >> Okay. So, we'll pull number seven and number nine. >> Yep. So, we'll put number seven with gyms. Where do we want number nine? Under
>> I'm not spec I'm not sure what the questions are, but um >> number nine is the EDA contract with MMCDC >> under administrator if that makes sense. Okay. And then between the two of us and then we send a message. Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, removing number seven and
number nine. Do we have a motion to accept the consent agenda? I'll move to approve >> or approve. Thank you. >> I'll second with the changes. >> All right. >> Or with the not changes. Sorry. I'll just second. I'm stop talking.
>> Okay. Um any f or any further discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. Motion carries. All right. Open form. Thank you, Mr. ShraMM.
Good morning, Jerry. >> Good morning, everyone. Jerry ShraMM, Erie Township. I was here two weeks ago and watched this fiasco with the Schlatteroff family. I think I believe
that you mistreated those folks. I believe you ignored Detroit Township officials and it's time to quit putting this off. This old phrase about kicking thing cans down the road. Man, you you
got the right picture there. Um, this should have been rectified in 1993. Should have been taken care of last summer when it was talked about. And here we are in another year. The calendar has
turned. Please, folks, do the right thing. Make a decision and let these folks get into their place. After all, how much money does it cost? We spend lots of money out at the dump. Put the fence up, get her done, call it
a day. Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Jerry. >> Thanks, Jerry. All right. Reports and correspondence. >> Anybody want to start with their reports? Um, I will
uh like to start with some good news, Peggy. Um, uh, a few months ago, uh, we had that bulletproof glass that, uh, from Sheriff Gllander's department, and, uh, it's been in it, it was put up for auction. It was installed in a local
school here and, uh, that picture was sent out. So, um, I I think that's a really good use, and I'm glad that really came to fruition. Um, I guess I would like to tell our other department heads, I mean, if if we I would never know that this stuff is laying around,
if it is and we can use it in our community to benefit our community, I I please bring that to our attention. >> What did we get? What was the price on it? I >> I never did hear. >> I don't remember. It was maybe 100 or so. I I think it's just good though that
it was offered and I mean I I think that's important that it's not just I mean I think anyone had a chance at it and >> yeah it was up for >> and I'm glad it went locally and and and got good use. So >> okay um
>> Michine will be texting us I'm sure the price in just a minute. So >> So that's good news. Um obviously with government nothing happens overnight but was put up for auction and it finally did get to a good home. So, um I had a a rack meeting. Uh before our rack
meeting, recreational advisory committee meeting. Uh I I went up to Miji and met with the DNR uh up there. Uh Jay Carlson was really interested in trails. So, we took a day and we drove up there and met with Dave Schlotskco. Dave Schlotsky. You guys know him?
>> Uh he's the trail and access coordinator for DNR. Uh expected to meet with for an hour. We spent two and a half. I can't imagine that you getting overtime, >> but uh it was worth the trip. Uh uh Ben Bergie uh is all he's the regional
coordinator. Um but we just had some uh things to talk about with trails and stuff. It was beneficial. Jay is very interested in where the H Heartland Trail goes. So, um just trying to use that to our benefit because he wants to help that and we all want to help the
Heartland Trail along. Um, also on a recreational advisory committee, uh, we, one of the big discussions was talking about uniform signage through the county. Uh, project 412 is kind of taking the lead on that. Um, but, uh, I think at some point, uh, when we come to
a conclusion, there probably will be a a cost to that. Uh, for the partners in Becker County, is that Wanigan Park, Freys, Detroit Lakes, Becker County. Um, but I I see that coming down the road and I just want everybody prepared for
that. Um, I think uniform signage, you know, we talked about Ottertale County and how they're kind of unified uh with with their signage down there. I know Crow Wang has nice signage looks really good. So, um, I just wanted to to share that we spent a lot of time talking
about that. How do we bring together the the snowmobile trails, the woods and wheels trails, the ATV trails, um, just our regular walking trails? How do we bring that all together and give a uniform look? >> Have you looked at Ottertale signs? Can we Can we just pick people back on theirs? I mean, if they've got a good
design already, >> have the otter, I think, on theirs. >> Oh, we don't want an otter. >> No, >> we want a Becker. >> Like I said, we're at the beginning stages, but we did and we there is a funding committee uh that I had I didn't go to the meeting, but uh it is there to
see what this would cost moving forward. Well, we have to have the signs anyway. So, I mean, it's not like we're we're going to be paying for signs whether they're >> And there was some I thought uh up in highway I thought we still made signs. Is that true or not? I guess I don't know. I'm on highway, but I thought we
have a sign thing up there. Is that just Do we make them though? Do we put the reflective stuff on them? >> Yeah. >> Okay. I They can't. They're not going to want them. They make >> some >> like general. >> I just see it. >> Like not ones. I just see a lot of uh
M&R signs down in Fergus Falls sign and I wasn't sure if we got those from them or we get the empty blank sign and then we we make it but regardless I'll figure that out as the time comes. Um so uh we also talked about Wanigan Park and I'm
really glad this came up now. We talked about the round roundabout which was uh going into the park that uh Becker County had offered >> dedicated some funds >> dedicated some funds. So I also sat on the Frasy Community Development
Corporation and we talked I said hey what what have they agreed what what does the county agreed to just so I know and all they said was the the dollar amount. I said, "Well, because they're talking about bringing a road in there and paving the parking lot." And I said, "Well, how do you build a roundabout if
you don't have curbs and stuff?" Well, nobody knew anything about anything except the dollar amount that we had funded. So, um, that remains to be seen what that all looks like. The dollar amount is still there. Just I don't know if I'd want to build a roundabout if if the cur if the
roads and stuff coming out of there aren't going to be complete this year. They're talking about doing that this year. Uh, so I got to get with Jim on that. Um, we talked about in rack, we talked about the 2025 accomplishments and our goals for 2026. One of the big goals um that we talked about was have a
five-year trail plan uh like we do a 5-year road plan in Becker County. Um have a trail plan. I hope Mitch is is working on that moving forward. Did spend a little time talking about the Osage Beach. Uh the DNR got all of that uh those slats, those uh uh concrete
slabs with iron sticking them about them pulled out. Everyone they could find and see. Anyway, they got those pulled out and there was robust discussion on what that Osage Beach looks like and also the area across Highway 34. Um the township kind of wants to get rid of that area or
doesn't want the responsibility I should say. Um and we still discuss that about what that could look like. There's some property line dispute we talked about up there. Uh Mary, can you >> No. Offer a little >> Stop. Stop. Mary, she didn't ask. You
didn't ask. >> I did. >> There was no conclusion on what the property line was. So, conversation turned into should we be putting money into something that isn't Becker County? And >> then the Oage Beach. >> Yeah, the Oage Beach. it was decided
that uh you know what if if we plant a few trees and and do a little something it'll make it better for the resident. >> Let's be clear that the property line dispute is either it's Becker County or state of Minnesota. It's not >> correct. That is correct. So if we upgrade it and it's the states they're not going to rip it out. I mean correct.
So I mean I don't see the I don't see the issue myself. >> I agree with Barry. It's not I think we can improve it and not lose anything. It's not that's not a big deal. I don't think we should worry about it. Uh, nothing against you, Mary, because I
know you like everything in line and I I'm I like that about you, but this case I'm I'm with Barry. >> That's the state's state or us. It's It's going to be a public beach no matter which one of us own it. So, >> correct. Um, uh, and then, uh, just had
my first meeting of finance and I've talked to a couple commissioners about, you know, what >> you talked to a couple commissioner that string calling about decision-m. I talked to Barry about uh finance and what that should look like as the senior member um
and what we should be looking for on finance. So that's all all I had. >> Um Phil, I did have something. you mentioned something in your report um about uh a 5-year trail plan and you you said you hope Mitch is organized but >> you Mitch Lundine our our forester I'm
it just struck me as I don't know if he if that's in his wheelhouse to what his job role should be a five a trail plan for the forester to conduct I mean I just I'm just saying that's that might be a stretch for him because it's not like roads where Jim has complete
control and oversight all roads and Mitch's that's not where his main thrust of work is trail. I mean his is forestry. So, I'm just saying it's a it's a lot to ask for your your head forester to do a 5-year plan for trails
that he really doesn't have a lot of input in or you know, you see the I'm just saying that it's it's asking a lot of him because his knowledge or his I mean he doesn't I mean this is trails is a pretty big
topic and it could go in five different directions on the blink of an eye. So, I'm just saying be I I would be very cautious, you know, and that's where we are at this time. We were talking about where does who should be doing these trails and who who is our recreation
person. The job I don't think the job description for our forester is I don't think trails is a big part of it. Um, >> it's a good point, Barry. So, I'm >> Madam Chair, Commissioner Nelson, uh, we just spent $240,000 on a John Deere
machine with a mower to cut these trails >> to maintain what we forest roads. >> Mitch is in charge of our recreation department, forestry department, as I see it. And maybe we need to revamp our organizational chart or something like
that. Uh, but, uh, I I think we need to have a plan. I mean, he's he said we got 18 miles of road done. he managed a new road being built. Um, >> I think your and my thought process, right, or our thoughts of trail improvements and and five-year plan are
different, right? I mean, I think I was thinking you're thinking about making new trails, the Heartland trails and the connecting trails. No, I mean, if we're talking about maintaining forest roads, then that's that's in his wheelhouse. >> Maybe I should have said that differently. Maintaining forest roads, the 53 miles of what we have.
>> I was thinking a five-year plan on building build out >> Hartland Trail. No. Okay. No, it's taking care of >> Yes. I completely agree. Maintenance a maintenance plan on a 5-year maintenance plan on forest roads is completely >> Yep. >> Yeah. under him. >> So, I agree with him.
>> Okay. And that's uh that's all I had. >> I'll go I'll go next. So, Erica and I had a partnership for health meeting, our first meeting with of the year with just Klay County as our partner. Um so, we did, you know, organizational stuff
too. We we we elected the officers and we also looked at all of our grant funding from the previous year when we were when we were the four county CHB. Um there are so we have year ends and all all we got year ends on all of that
information and there are a couple grants that we are going to share with Wilin County and Ottertale County for till the grant terms out. Some one of them I think one of them turns out in the middle of the year and one goes the entire year. >> So we still have we still have a working
relationship with Hon Wilin which is good. It's an amicable so which is good too. So and and their new CHP is called what? Prairie Lakes. >> Prairie Lakes. Yep. >> So and then we also selected a logo which you guys will get to see because I can't explain it.
>> It's basically the same. >> Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yep. I also had a historical society meeting and just one thing that we popped out of there is on February on February 17th which is fat Tuesday for all of you
Marty GR people um the homes Theater has the Marty Marty GR kings event on the 17th and the historical society is going to partner with them and they're going to do a the we're going to do a uh a
shrimp boil and then we're going to sell sell sell sell you know put it in go boxes and sell it to people that want to take it home and eat it or and so I don't know if any know what a shrimp boil is but it it's a it's a it's a Marty GR tradition sometimes it's a crab
boil and a shrimp boil and I've actually done a bunch of them so it's >> Are they having it you can eat there too or >> Yeah, you can eat there. You can eat there too. Yeah. Aren't you supposed to fry shrimp? >> You can boil them. >> I mean, you can. >> Oh, it's it's awesome. Rich >> supposed to eat it raw.
>> I think you can eat them anyway but raw. >> I It It's It's amazing. They are the best. You have this pot full of stuff. You got potatoes, carrots, corn, peas, whatever you want to put in there and and crab or shrimp. And then when it's all done, you just dump it out on a table and then you just go eat what you
want. >> Yep. It's really cool. We've done it live. We've done a bunch of them. So, um, so that's just kind of something that would be is interesting to do. Is it going to they're going to treat it as a fundraiser and I think it's going to it might go over pretty well. So, um, we
also at the DAC we currently are interviewing, we've actually interviewed almost everybody, all of our managers, a couple employees, a couple guardians. Um, we also interviewed an administrator of a comparable uh, facility. Um because
we are in the process of going to remodel the inside of a facility. So we want to know what services we should be able to do by after we remodel it, what we can do. A lot of life skills. We right now we we can't really teach them life skills like washing clothes and and
or doing laundry and and and cooking and and and grocery shopping and some things like that because we don't have the capabilities in our facility to do that right now. But we will. So, we've been talking to people that know and kind of understand what what we should be doing
and what we can be doing. And then we also talk to them and asked them, especially our employees and our managers, what are we doing well right now and what can we do better because we want to make our DAC really good. So we we and then we also have to decide and hopefully we decide soon this board the
our we have a board meeting at the end of this month um if we're going to hire a new execut hire an executive director or if we're going to re restructure internally or how we're going to do it. We don't know yet. So so that that this is going to help us do that too. So hopefully we can figure all that out by then. I think it's going to be good. I
think we're I think we're going to make it a good place for the community. So, and uh Barry and I had a courthouse meeting. Um most a lot of it's on the agenda, but we did talk about the AC units in the data room. >> Judy came in and gave us a bunch of
information about how much money she wants to spend in the future. Um but both units are hooked up to the generator, which is good. So, if the power goes out, the the generator will kick on the a keep the AC units running
and we won't have a meltdown in the uh um that the data room. Also, she said by March 1st, all the panic buttons should be installed. Uh the the new she gave us an update on
the new server. It should be done by the 1st of February. That was her plan. And then they've done about a third of the new emails that are going to be the.gov emails. And we haven't got ours changed yet, but we I think we basically told her anytime.
>> She asked us if we want to change them. And and one of the things that your old meals would old emails I think will just automatically be forwarded. They get your wrong address at this in the interim. >> What is it? Just becker.gov. >> I don't It's a new >> I'm not sure what it is.
>> Do you know Carrie? >> It'll be Well, it'll be supposed to be at becker.gov. Yeah, it's gogov. >> Oh, becker countym Minnesota.gov. Oh, >> it's all in one. >> Gotcha. >> Um, just to go on on that, we we discussed the MMC CDC contract
obviously. Um, talked about the sheriff's might need uh phone updates in there. Um, talking about additional firewalls for VPN. Um, the door system is um is failing the Gallagher. So, we're looking at um upgrading that in the future.
these aren't before us, but there's that's the good news that um we got from Judy. >> Yeah. >> Um I think that was that was it. >> And then one thing on the firewall for the VPN. Currently, we don't have one. So then every 12 months, they have to redo the VPN. And they can do that. It's
not it's not that they can't, but by doing this firewall, they won't have to do that. And what that does is saves hours and hours of county employee time doing redoing that VPN instead of having the firewall takes care of that. So that's
>> we went over some policy new policies looking at uh uh email retention policy and um looking at establishing the absentee ballot which is on the agenda. >> Yep. >> Um I think that was it for >> Yep. I think so. And that's all I have.
Madame Chair, uh, Commissioner Nelson and Meer. Uh, so courthouse, what are the responsibilities of the courthouse committee? Is it the building infrastructure >> or what are the >> and mostly it's um it would be the auditor or auditor's office, the
assessor's office, the um it um >> P&Z internal stuff, not the kind of the ordinance um >> motor vehicle >> motor vehicle. So, and the I think uh >> administration >> administration and maybe ground
>> their place where they are their building what they need or >> grounds and maintenance of the buildings. >> What about the social services building? Does that fall under courthouse too? >> That would fall under courthouse because that's where >> for maintenance >> for maintenance for the maintenance part. >> Maintenance part. Yeah. >> And 8th Street would fall under that too.
>> We you know I think I think it's kind of I there's probably not a lot of maintenance that we've heard about in some of these. I think they just get the work done. Um but the bigger ticket items I think would be but the ma the maintenance employees are all run through
all run through courthouse. >> The eighth street that you're referring to is that the um >> 4. >> Yeah, that would go any maintenance for that would go through EDA because EDA actually >> owns that building. >> Owns that building. >> What about the uh fairground building? Is that a
>> transit building? courthouse like a maintenance >> um that what I think um he answers through courthouse also transit >> transit. >> Okay. >> I just I I think that should be defined
a little bit better. I mean oh I thought he was taking care of it kind of thing. U >> well you have to remember courthouse just started as a committee just a few years ago. Other than that it went basically that's probably why it went through finance probably before that. Just finance. I didn't know that. And
>> so that good to know >> courthouse committee started 10 years maybe give or take. >> Yeah. I would say it's kind of a catchall for those that really don't have their own defined. >> Okay. >> Oh, we did have a one other thing. We
did have a work session. You guys were there. >> Oh, >> thanks. Can you tell us about it? >> But yeah. No, I just agree. >> What did you get out of it, Dave? >> I think we're gonna have a great capital plan by the time we're done. >> We finally got to see Carrie's PowerPoint. >> Yeah.
>> And it was wonderful. >> It was wonderful. >> It was >> Barry. Did you have more? >> Um um we had um NRM um Mr. Varber and myself, we discussed the
Dutton Locks, the the old the old building. Um, I think we approved we approved uh to to fix that up and we were gonna we were not going to go out for grants at this time because the majority of the cost is is the paving
and and additional um asphalt for the paving the park new parking lot by the building. So, we were just like there's there's really not much reason to go for the grant. I mean, for unless you can get a a significant one. Um we were going to wait till 2728 when the highway
department's going through that area to for a paving project to try to get I mean instead of so we'll just use it as gravel this year. Um the little sugar lake parcel um we discussed that and the use of that cabin um
I we I don't think and I think we want board discussion. I don't think having someone staff that even on a volunteer basis is doable. Um there was some talk about um renting it out as a as a as a I don't
know non nonwater I mean no no no no water facilities there but there would be expense there too. So I guess we I don't know Richard you think we need board direction on >> we do need some board direction on it. >> Should we have it removed or should we have it >> you know we could sell it. You can take
apart a log cabin. When they build a log cabin, they like they'll build the cabin, fit it all, take it apart and move it and then rebuild it. So that cabin could be rebuilt or, you know, we could, but you'd have there again
there's expense, but you could there there are log cabin people around here. You could take it apart and and build some bathrooms or a little shelter with it. Maybe there's there are things we could do with it that maybe wouldn't be too expensive. That's kind of what we we were thinking just get rid of it. But
then if we just use it as a a shelter and if someone wants to rent the shelter, you know, and stay in, you know, and rough it, um we'd have to make sure we do some safety guidelines for steps and stuff. But, you know, maybe we try that. Um it'll be it'll have water
access, but you I mean, we'd have to have we'd have to go through a lot of guidelines and figure out what's what's acceptable there. What for parking? If you're going to have boat trailers, are you going to have a boat launch? I mean, you're not going to have a boat launch there, but are you going to have a boat mooring area for if someone rents it and brings a boat and moores it on a dock or
so, I mean, there's lots of there'd be quite a bit of work and oversight, but I was thinking that maybe you could take it apart and make a picnic shelter with part of it or some bathrooms, you know, maybe you could
make some bathrooms with it or I don't know. I think bathrooms would be easier just to have a >> and probably >> just have a >> Yeah, it might be porta >> potty though. >> Best just to sell it and let somebody take it apart. And I hate to see it go to waste. It's a nice log cabin.
>> Yes, but it is not finished inside. There's no there's no finishings. Uh there's no like there's a stairway downstairs to to a is it a crawl space or is it >> No, there's a basement, >> but there's no railings or anything. So, I mean it's and the floor is just plywood. It's I mean and the walls are
just you know um logs so it's not finished not insulated at all. So >> yeah it sounds to me like I mean I don't I don't one I don't think we should be in the business of renting out cabins um
to rent it. Um and I don't know that we want to stick a whole lot of money in it to make it worth. So, I think I like the idea of offering it up for sale and seeing if you can >> Should we put some guidelines together
for public for public auction or public bid somehow and and um for removal? >> Madam Chair, Commissioner Verber, Commissioner Nelson, we vetted this all last summer uh through the RACK committee, which has to go to NRM before, but we had the exact same
conversation. We came to no conclusion. Um, and we give our department heads absolutely no direction. And that's the way we left it because we didn't know exactly what to do. Someone needs to own this, take ownership, and maybe that's maybe just sell it and be done with it.
>> Um, maybe that's the best idea. >> I think, you know, honestly, I think if we had a structure out there, I' I'd rather see it just be a yurt, you know, just a domed, you know, nothing in it cuz this one, >> a log cabin has significant maintenance. I mean, as you move forward, shingles
and and >> staining >> staining and keeping it and and there would be a huge >> but anyway, I think if if the board gives direction, we'll ask the um ask Steve Mitch to put out a something for
us to approve to put on a public auction somehow to be removed this summer. I'll move to >> I don't think I just think we'll we'll bring it back to the board, but we'll just get something put together and bring >> So, we need to we'll just direct them. >> By our consensus, we're asking to to get
rid of that and put it on a public sale. If and we don't like we if it comes back and there's no one taking it, then we have to reconsider. But if there's someone willing to give a couple thousand bucks for it, maybe we maybe we >> don't put the price out there. >> Well, I would I would get rid of it for
$2,000. I mean >> if someone offered to but >> anyway I I just think we should >> So then NRM you'll give direction to Mitch and Steve. >> I think by this board's consensus they have cons they have object or they have >> direction >> direction to go to put together
something and Carrie we can maybe put it on Carrie to say ask her to oversee this. >> Do you want a motion or we don't need a motion? No. >> Okay. All right. >> I got it. Um we also looked to hire a a tram tram
person for 26. Um hired the seasonal recreation forester looking at uh had Becker County had two land sales in 25. Mary would have to give us a dollar amount. We had a huge discussion on
there's a cemetery on tax forfeited land. Um Bud Parker was here to and we discussed it and it's overgrown and we're trying to figure out how to um the tribe has addressed it and they want the church to to to maintain it and and be the leader
on that. And um it was a Catholic church. I can't remember the name of the church up there. Do you remember the Anyway, so we're going to try to working to get >> Mary's >> getting um getting the corners established and um but it's kind of it's kind of humorous. There is some concern
about going into a cemetery and doing work. I mean there are superstitions that people don't necessarily want to go in and work in a cemetery. So, >> but you remember when we talked about this before? >> I didn't want to bring it up. So, >> well, there were some deaths involved. Do you remember this? Or they said
people that worked there died. >> Do you remember this, Barry? >> I do. I'm So this was not >> So I'm not going up there. >> Come on, guys. >> I'm not Well, there was there was like four of them, I think it was. >> So you said three three gentlemen that went in there to help clean up all died within a year. >> Yeah. And so
>> that wasn't Bud. That was that was um someone from the tribal. So there the tribal um representatives are like we don't want you guys do what you want. But I think we established the boundaries on it. the corner post and give it to the church and and uh let them move forward. And
and Bud and his and some people with him went and cleared a nice area out. And there's headstones in there. Um but there's a lot of graves in there that don't have headstones. So they were trying they were they were looking at getting a um one of those machines that I don't know what they're called that
that can identify graves and then mark them. >> It was some kind of radar or something. >> Yeah. Some ground radar. But he said them headstones would fall over and if nobody did anything with them, the ground would just kind of suck them down and the grass would grow up. And >> there's a there's a movie going out on
this. I think >> he was really he's been working in all of them. And it's funny though, Bud um Bud had said that he's worked in cemeteries. He's very comfortable in there. He said to that, you know, you're going in there to do good. This, you know, those are that spirits that are
there aren't in there. But he did mention a story that he stopped on his way back. I mean, this is when he was in the service and he came back. This is many, many years ago that he stopped and he was going to pay his respects at and it was late at night when he came back from the service and he went into the cemetery and he said, I I got to I about
2 minutes and I was like, I'm getting out of here. This is so he even has those um some of those superstitions, but um I I don't know. I'm I we lived next to a cemetery where I went to church at and played in it all the time at night and and I never it never dawned
on me now I might be a little bit more skeptical going in there and like I don't think I want to go in there. Um uh the White Earth Natural Resource gave an update. They're having a timber auction. Um they're working with the DNR Minnesota DNR on a memorandum of understanding for the White Earth State
Forest to co-manage. And it's things that they've been doing together already. I mean, it's so they just wanted they were just getting some formality to that, I guess. Um, they have a big fishing derby uh February 7th on North Twin Lake. They let us know.
And anything else? >> No, >> I think that was it. So, thank you. >> I can go next. Um Ed or Mahubi Senior Council, um Carla from the fair board came over to our meeting. Um we're going
to re bring back senior day and the senior program. So there was a lot of discussion of what that would look like. Um also going to bring back the outstanding senior award. Um the biggest challenge with that has always been getting nominations and then the winner
accepting the award. So um if you know anybody that is an outstanding senior, please either let myself know or um Lisa Stroshine over at Mahubi. Um, I also had I have nothing to add for
Partnership for Health. I also had West Central Regional Juvenile Center meeting. Um, we were able to take a tour of their secure their secure detention, their secure residential, their non-secure, and then their clips program. Their clips program is an
independent living program for um it's boys only, but it's for boys 17 to I believe 21 getting them out in the community working, going to school. Um and then they they still have programming at the juvenile center.
>> Um I just was going to interrupt you before I >> You have a low attention span. >> I know. >> So back to back to the senior uh recognition. >> Oh yeah. I so at our last historical society meeting that was a topic because
there were two people on our on the the historical society board that would have that would have nominated seniors >> but then they found out then they said well and then the county just decided not to do it like hold on here the fair board did not or I should say the fair board it was
>> but you're throwing the fair board on the bus not the county >> no yeah they were throw they were throwing the fairboard on a bus they said no it it was a combination of a of a miscommunication and one side said this and one side thought they said this and then back but they're fixing it. So nominate your people next year.
>> Yes. Nominate and and we we even considered like opening opening it up to maybe people that support elderly. Yeah. You know like if that's if that's what we need just to have those nominations. But >> um back to West Central Regional
Juvenile Center. Um the statistics for Becker County um the last couple months are up about 14%. So our usage is going um up which means for those that don't know we have that two-year lookup look back that determines what our what we
will pay for the following year. So we'll that's something we monitor every quarter when we meet and then we determine that um I believe it's in July at budget time. Um, we also approved a new position for at West Central. The
board did. It of course has to go to Klay County for approval because they're technically Klay County employees. Um, but it's called a facility integrity and compliance coordinator. the paperwork um on these juvenile centers in the last couple year has gotten so intense. If
they have, you know, if they have to put a juvenile in their room during normal school hours or activity hours, the the amount of paperwork that they have to complete is immense. Um same thing with any complaints. So, um we decided to to
get somebody there that is good at it and to help with that documentation so that um the rest of the folks can be spending time with their with the the juveniles. Um and then just the the residential program is the program that
um is used throughout the whole state. you know, that's where we many of the people that uh or many of the juveniles that come are from all over Minnesota um because they have such a a fantastic um
residential program. So, just um kudos to to them for doing good work. Um then we had EDA um just a couple housing updates. We we did also have our annual meeting um where we elected new officers. Tom Cleavey was elected to be
our new chair. Um, we currently have one vacancy in our public housing unit, but we have 23 applicants on the waiting list. So, um, they're moving through the applicants to get that filled. Uh, the housing choice voucher program, we
currently have 48 families with vouchers. Uh, 231 applications on the waiting list. Um, and now that we have additional funding, there will be 15 additional packets going out. So, we'll be able to take 15 people off of the 231
applications, but they will still need to find housing, which is what the the challenge has always been with that program. Um, Maple Avenue, we discussed the RFP. Um, our goal is to we are meeting early
in March. Was it March? We were meeting early. Richard, >> I think we're going to meet before that. So, we would be ready >> in March. I think was it >> I thought we were going to meet bey >> I don't remember but the goal is for it to sure for sure go out by March so that we can
>> can get um somebody on hopefully somebody local. Um then we have our West River town homes that's 12 units of long-term homelessness supportive housing. There is currently one vacancy in those but um we have six applicants on the waiting list. So it's just a
matter of of going through them and getting them on there. We also have our Highway 34 home um which we are looking at possibly selling that home just um because there's some foundation work
that needs to be done some um landscaping. So the um board thought it would be better to sell it versus putting additional money into it. >> Madam Chair, >> it needs quite a bit of work. Yeah, house does. It's and it's it's just it
the foundation isn't so bad. It's it's a block foundation with some hairline cracks in the mortar and that's normal for that. But it's actually really flat. It wasn't never landscaped, right? And so the water does not run away from it. But you can't build up by the house. I
went out there and looked at it and you can't because of the windows and stuff. So you you'd end up taking down the whole yard all the way around to get good flow away from it. then you would end up fixing that >> there's some water getting in the basement and you could you could do it that way but
>> the house needs a lot of work. Um and so and we really want to get some money to do some housing. >> Mhm. >> We don't have any money to do any housing. We don't have any money to do anything. So we really don't get anything done. Um but it's just the way
it is there. It's kind of Yeah. So, but it so we're thinking that it would be best to sell that house rather than put all all the money into it that it needs. And >> Madam Chair, Commissioner Garber, we we have the ability as the county with our
own properties to sell EDA properties. Don't they have >> No, Highway 34 is not public housing. It's just a Becker County owned home. So, it's not part of the public housing um through HUD. How many homes do we have like that?
>> 25. >> 25 single family. >> 25 owned. >> Yep. >> And but those we can't just sell th those were purchased with money from the federal government.
>> Yeah, that's the right that's the why is this one why is are we able to sell this one and not the others? >> Because because that one's not part of the public housing program. This one is just got it >> whenever we bought it as a county. >> Was it a small group home? >> No, it's just a little rambler. >> But it was a
>> I don't know. >> It was a >> It was a group home. That little thing was >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Not very big. >> So, which one is that? What's the address there? >> Um I don't know what the address is. I just have it as Highway 34 Home.
Are we moving on? >> Yep. That's all that's all I had. >> I just had EDA with Erica and NRM with Barry. So, I don't have anything to add. >> Anything else? Did you have anything else, Phil? Any other questions? Okay.
>> All right. Then we will move on to appointments. Buffalo Red Watershed Alternate Commissioner. Anybody know anything about that? I think we put all of our commissioners as alternates. Uh >> I don't know what >> um
>> Mr. Opusen was the alternate previously and so they sent a letter saying that we need to >> Oh >> well, we have all other commissioners are alternates. >> They they my understanding was they wanted a specific >> they wanted a specific person.
>> And so was whose whose district is that in? Is that yours? >> Mostly I'm the I'm the delegate. So, anyone else if you want to name a second? >> Oh, so >> it's an for alternate. >> So, we've named >> gone a couple times. >> But we have it.
>> I was on the Pelican River wershed before and I've been to a couple meetings up there. I >> If you want to Do you want >> I don't I mean, if you want to learn about water, >> it's an alternate. So, it's >> You just have to name an alternate name. >> Rich, are you interested? >> Yeah, I'm interested. >> You are? >> Yeah.
>> It's It's just a point though. It's an alternate. So, you're >> right. Yeah. >> And our role is I mean I just so your role as a so if you're in on the advisory board and that's kind of what you're looking
at. Um but to be on the advisory board the watershed has to nominate you and elect you. I mean we don't just appoint to the advisory boards they put you on their advisory boards. These are kind of so it's it's um right now we have policy committees
also and I think that's what they're asking for on the policy committee that you'd be the alternate. So it's the Becker County um or the Buffalo red watershed policy committee alternate and that's what you're being asked for or that's what they want to alternate for
because those are for the one wershed one plan policy committee. So we don't need to appoint the they appoint >> well for the advisory board that's different than the policy committee. >> Oh. Oh okay. >> And that's but Buffalo Red we we've always had a person on the advisory board and it's usually the person that
we appoint or that we put on. >> But so it's it's kind of it's a little bit different scenario. You're not on their board. You're not on but I think this is for the pol I believe this is for the policy committee. So just name if we want to name someone and then the
rest are alternates to that person also. But >> anyone who wants to be named as the alternate to the policy committee for Buffalo Red waterershed. >> I'll move to approve Richard Varber as the alternate commissioner for the Buffalo Red WHED. >> Have a second. >> I'll second.
>> All right. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Oppose. Motion carries. >> I have I have one thing on appointments. Um, I just when you brought it up, I just dawned on me. We got that email from Kyle what, a couple weeks ago.
>> Oh, yeah. >> And there's a bunch of them on here that are expiring in January. Um, well, okay. Like three. But, um, maybe we should talk to Kyle when he comes to in planning and zoning and ask him what we what we need to do. >> Wasn't on the agenda, though.
>> Yeah, it's not. >> Talk about that. >> That's true. I would I would suggest also that you review and maybe stagger some of those a little bit better. I mean, there was a bunch of them that were ending on the same year. So, maybe we should >> I think that was maybe during COVID when
everything got bundled up and >> I believe that was Kyle's suggestion. >> Yeah. So, really just everybody look at your appointments and >> so then by some of them are some of them are late so we'll just do them in February. Okay. on the agenda. >> We'll put it on the agenda in February
and then but we got to make sure we got to we so we got to maybe >> they want to be reappointed. >> Yeah, maybe Carrie you can talk to Kyle see who wants to be reappointed. Maybe we can if we can stagger some of those. >> Okay. Anything else for appointments?
All right. Next, we will move on to the administrator contract. Um, I do want to make note, um, when looking at the page two of the contract under salary that the salary that is listed in the contract is last year's salary. This was
not updated. So, it should be um the step that she's currently on and then on at her anniversary on February 8th, we'll go up to the step n are you on step eight now or step nine?
I moved a grade. So I think I'm on the second. >> Okay. So we should probably >> We could just update that. >> Update that. >> Just just for her current salary. >> Yeah. And
>> and then just up for discussion is um you know that the addition um Carrie had requested to have a a county vehicle assigned to her um to be able to use it for commuting. Um, so we we entered the
um with the language put in there and um just wanted to bring it up for discussion and possible approval. >> Well, I'm totally opposed to it and I I Carrie, you're doing a great job at this is this is something that if there was any consideration, it should have been
brought up at budget time and at that time I wouldn't have supported it either. Um, I just this this is this isn't part of where I want to bring the county to start giving offering cars for
commuting. So, I I can't support it. >> I would support it because she does travel from her home to different places and so where where it does take more time to come here and she's doing a very good she's doing a very good job for us.
So, I would support uh car. I don't know what the rest of you feel like, but I think there's policy even for like the sheriff's for bring home vehicles can't be out of county. Um, and unfortunately,
you don't live close by, but that's I mean, that's neither here nor there as for this board to consider. Um, I I would like to reward you with everything, but I you know, we're we were considering not having a snowplow. We were considering, you know, sheriff's
cars. I um I think you're paid a very good wage and I I think that's that's where I'm at. And I and I don't want to theatrically argue this. I'm not going to, but I've stated my opinion and and uh my vote will be opposing any
assignment of county vehicle. I mean, we I don't have a problem assigning a county vehicle when you're here from this point. Um, but getting, you know, getting a a vehicle for meeting attendance from from here to wherever. But >> is there a policy in place that allows
if so say Tuesday, Wednesday, she has a meeting in Fergus Falls. Is there a policy in place that would allow her to take a vehicle home that night to tonight? Just saying tonight, take it
home so that she can use the county vehicle to go to her median in Fergus Falls in the morning and then come back. >> I believe there's there is some and I think human services does that once in a while where they're when they're traveling and they're closer to their home instead of coming back and then going home. Um,
I I think there's some of those, but you can also, you know, just straight mileage would be if you're traveling with your own car, you can figure out the mileage from, you know, >> but that's if there's no, you have the if there's a county vehicle available and if there isn't a county vehicle,
there's two different, >> right? But in the scenario where you're going straight to meeting from home, it would be a different I mean that would fall into a little special category where the policy could be looked at. >> I don't know that our policy >> clarifies that. So that would be
something. Um I mean I'm I'm I'm not I don't feel strongly about this one way or the other. Um you know I think I could go either way. I mean, I I I echo your concerns, but I also echo Richard that I do think she's
doing a good job. >> She's doing everybody else's job, and she's doing a good job doing everybody else's job. So, she's been for me, she's she's corrected some things around here that she shouldn't have had to. Um, they should have been done by our department
heads and she continues to do everybody else's job. And so, and and and she's she's made a lot of good changes here. So, and I I like taking care of people who take care of us. It's that's how I see I but again, I see the county like a
business. I don't see it as government if it government I don't like the way people run government. So, that's that's how I see it. Can I have Thank you. >> I guess I would say um not reflective of Car's work. I think she does an
excellent job. But uh we just asked our taxpayers to come up with $2.5 million more dollars in our levy. Um I I don't think I can support this either. >> Dumb thinking. >> I didn't see a cost estimate either, but
I ran I just ran in my what a what a mileage would be and our mileage went up to 72.5. Mhm. >> Um if you take 20,000 I mean cost of a new vehicle the cost of vehicles is expensive. I
think we all know that. So say 20,000 miles times.725 it's a for $14,500. It will I estimate it would be 15,000 a year for us to do this just to have a car and to maintain it insurance. So
you're talking that's that's what it would cost us in my rough estimate 20,000 miles because 72 and a half cents.7 cents a mile for for a new vehicle for like my pickup doesn't pay for it doesn't pay for my expenses on now for my Prius I make money but you
know when you you don't make money if you're talking a new vehicle so at 70s so that's all I'm going to say I will if you're not if you're done discussing I'll make a motion Anybody
else have anything else? >> Mr. Madam Chair, I'll make a motion to approve the Becker County Min Becker County employment engagement with our administrator, Carrie Smith, excluding the Excluding the Auto Automotive
section >> 141, 142, 143, 144, 146, 147, 148, and updating the salary with where she would be on her steps and paying. Do I have a second? >> I'll second.
>> Any further discussion? >> So, when I originally when we originally talked about this, I was thinking how it would be better like a to go to a meeting from a place that's
closer. Um, but now I see your side of it, too. So, I didn't think about that as much. I I would I would it would be nice if we could at least look at our policy for
like let's say we have a we have a AMC meeting in F there's a meeting in Fergus Falls. It is it is it is closer for her to go from her home to that that meeting. Um, I think that would be a a fair compromise
to what we're doing now. You know what I mean? I mean, we can look at that after we look at that policy. >> I I would like her I don't I don't I don't want her wasting her time driving way down here if she could take the car home the night before. And and I I would
I would, >> you know, I mean, that's better than giving her nothing. But I'd hate to I hate you know it's one thing right now this time of year when you start driving long distances and unfortunately we have people driving semiis that shouldn't be driving semiis and it's icy and I I
don't I don't want her driving any more than she has to. It's stressful. Um especially with driving in the dark. Um I don't like I'm getting to where I don't even want to drive in the dark anymore. So, if we could cut her driving time down by sending her home with a car
the night before, um that's, you know, that's better than better than nothing. And and I would like to I'd like to take some stress off of her if we could because she gets a lot of, like I said, she does a lot of things she shouldn't have to be doing. And I hope that that
that changes, too. So, I would like to look at that policy and see if we could do something there then. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? >> Were you guys considering amending this
then or are we going to vote on this? >> No. No, I don't think so. >> All right. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> All right. Motion carries. >> All right. On to
county administrator report. If we get a report now after we did >> Sorry, Carrie. >> Don't make me laugh. It hurts too much. >> There's a report. You jerks.
>> I'll still give you the report. >> Um, >> the things I appreciate about caring. Always very professional. Yes. Um so internally we've been working on um our judicial security which I have referenced before we are we've met a few
times internally and really uh just as a refresher what this is is if there's a request by um judges specifically to hide any data with reference to home locations and such. So we were uh working internally with departments to
um get information um off uh public records and so that's uh taken a bit and we also wanted to make sure that we you know had internal communication because there's pieces that different departments do. So that
is I would say at the tail end of uh almost ready to go here. And is that is that regards to the wasn't there a statute >> there is >> that allowed it a new fairly new one >> yes it went into effect Mary January >> yeah January one >> of this year >> correct
>> oh so really new okay >> yes so yes so very new um so in uh January 28th um I had sent out a meeting invite where we were invited to the city for a joint uh legislative session
that's from 1 to as just a a reminder. And then we also have a upcoming again work session uh February 4th. So just a just a couple of reminders and you should have those on your calendar invites.
On January 9th, I had or excuse me, I'm going to go out to the chimps chips contracts first. In your packet, you have three chips contracts. These are uh required for us for contracts for attorneys to provide services in the
court system for children in need of uh protection. And so we have two returning attorneys and then a third that I was able to secure. Um Mr. Dods had asked to be done with his contract at the end of
December. Um so we have a third Mr. Winters that is going to be replacing him. So we do have the three and those are for consideration for um those um contracts >> is the only difference um in these
contracts from previous is the dollar amount. Is that the only difference? >> Correct. >> I thought that okay >> correct and I think there was a three and a half% increase that's what I included. Um so um that those will go forward and uh for signature I believe
the signature that's required I think is uh board chair. Yep. >> Yep. And I think you maybe signed maybe one or one or two of them already. >> Yep. >> Um I did meet with uh the township and I will get on the next subject of the
245th Avenue um which is the uh the landfill road. I did meet with the township officials which are here um on Friday, January 9th and uh just went over some I just more of a sharing uh
more informal I would say and sharing sharing of information to make sure that we all had the same information of intent and and uh purpose. Um in addition um uh Mr. our chair
Verberg and who else sat in on >> I was in >> it was you Phil. Yes, we sat in and Steve, we sat in um with a zoom or or rather a team's meeting with um the MPCA and what we realized is that um it's
government obviously and so the individuals that we met with at that point were for the closed landfill. Um and then we were trying to get on the books an additional meeting for our operations, our current operations um
from the MPCA. I actually just before this meeting just received a message uh from the individual that we had reached out to and I had asked for uh an additional meeting this this week so that we could um do an online meeting with them. really the questions we're
trying to get answered is specific to um the question of the day and the township is waiting as well if you know the what can be done um this folder here is all the permits and all the information that I have went through we did enter into a
contract back when we closed the landfill specifically and then our the MPCA holds the permit for our current operations as well. So just asking questions to make sure that um we have our answers to our questions about
fencing, where that can be placed, what type of fencing, etc. if the road were to become open again, which is what the township has indicated. That is uh their wishes. So again, I'm hoping to have a meeting yet this week. That's what I've asked. Madam Chair, uh
Carrie, at our closed landfill meeting, you said you were going to go through, is it three different agreements we have with the MPCA? Did you get a chance to do that? Anything come that? >> I did that over the weekend. >> Did we find anything? >> Um, it's a lot of uh Yes, there's a lot
of restrictions. Um, there's a lot of old road orders. um as far as you know it doesn't really address you know the gating and and those types of things that were done after the fact. So I think those are really the questions of where we are
what we did in with regards to excuse me to the permits versus where we are today. Those are really where it stopped and where where we want to pick it up again. Those are the questions that I think we need to have answered by the MPCA. Does that answer your question?
>> Little bit. a little bit. Okay. >> I just wonder if we can because I know that the township um guys are here and Mike just wondering if you guys have any questions or >> Well, Madam Chair, for me, I just it's
sounding like from what I'm hearing that you have a you guys are taking the stance of as what the township has requested in opening it. And so I just need something so I can formally hang my hat on to go,
you know, to the title company and to work through that part of it to, you know, take care of our end of our legal end of stuff on the private issue. So uh that's what I would be here for. Um I don't know if the township has a different request.
>> I don't know. I think we're all in agreement that we need to open this road. I I I we've talked about it and and of course we we have to be careful how we do it, but I think that am I wrong? But I think we're all in agreement that the road opened. >> Mr. Madam Chair, I think that's
accurate. I And I think I think we want to make sure the township is going to accept that. I mean, accept the responsibilities of that road also. And I think they've indicated they are, but I think we have to have that road agreement that this is a township road and and what what both sides just have
to sit down and say yes, this is our road. We will do this, we'll do this, we'll do this. Becker County, if we have to I mean, if the MPCA says we have to fence on both sides, then we do it. I mean, that's >> what it will I think the only thing that we we have to be real about is just
because this is what I'm not sure is what happens if the M >> MPC comes back and says you can't fence it. You need to keep it gated off. Well, >> that that's where I I we we then have to figure out what what would be our next step. >> They can say that. >> I don't know.
>> It's a township road at that point. >> I see that as a concern of mine also. But on what then I you start thinking on what grounds can they say this established road can't be there to access >> I talked to the NPCA myself
>> and uh the the west side of the road has to be fenced the closed landfill has to be fenced the east side has to have controlled access that information was also told to Mr. school last fall, last November. So,
you've had that information. >> So, anyway, I think I think we just are moving forward and I >> you have board consensus that we want to keep it open and and we want to work in agreement with the township saying it's a township road and and then accept the responsibilities who accept what's
responsibilities for that. Madam chair, >> maintenance and and other plating and I mean let's just get together and decide it. And so hopefully Mike once she finds out what we have to do if we can give Mike something. I don't know
what that would look like that so they could take it to the title company, take it to his attorney, say this is the future of this road. That's really what they want to do is get moving on the sale and and handover of this
property. Some some family members are selling >> guess what what is the what is title company requesting? I mean it if it if we recognize it as a township road you have legal access to your property. So I don't know what they're asking. So in a sense when the title company did the
work they found that the the township never recorded this known road which is common what I come to find out in the history of of dealing through this that townships are notorious for not recording roads because they didn't like to pay the county recording fee and that's years and years ago. I mean
that's the way life worked and so forth. So then there wasn't reported um but yet it's been there and it's a public road by use and by the history of it. Uh it was I started then to try to come through the process of how do we get
this uh recorded properly and so uh last uh township meeting I made a request to the township that they formally record the road so it's recorded properly and I assume that actually probably would handle my business more than the county
board side >> but in turn obviously it affects the county board by the uh impact of the gating system. So that's where where we're at today. >> And I think I asked that last at the last time to for the township to whatever we need to do to make that a
township to to document it. That's what I mean cuz I was like how do you how does it not and maybe Jim can chime in. How does that not get how is that not legal access if it's a township road to you and we just need to coordinate that and get it figured out?
>> Madam Chair, Barry, you had said consensus. I mean, I want to give access to the people with the property. Um, but with that is a road right now right through our
campus. That presents an issue to me. My goal is to still gain access, but not necessarily that road. >> Could we do it a different way and gain access? I think we've >> I think I've looked at it overhead and
and I don't know that there are any options. >> No, >> even if we build a road around >> then you're talking money. Well, >> a lot of money >> and rather than >> that's why we wanted to know what the >> either way we're talking a lot of money. >> The landfill. >> Well, no, a road and a fence are nowhere
close. And we looked at trying there's no room for a road. So, one way there's a huge swamp. >> Mhm. that would be not probably probably not allowed to go through there. >> I I got so little more input. So there
was an estimate given to the county last fall November time frame from Dakota Fence for that fence for 1300 ft of fence 6t high chain length barb wire on top for the west side of the road three gates
and that one gate is control access for that east side. That estimate was given to the county last fall at $45,780. You have that information as well. >> That's not the estimate that we got aware of. >> I think we had the full estimate from
both sides was >> 114. >> Mhm. >> But >> yeah, thousand. >> But the road is unbelievably expensive. And the other side of it, there's no room for it there. It runs right the the demo landfill goes right almost to the
property line. It would be wildly expensive to put in a road. Jim, what's a road compared to a fence? quite quite a bit of difference. >> I I mean I I I agree there is is a large difference >> and it's a township road and that's what
it needs that's what it needs to be for the for this property to retain its value. So we really it we really just need to figure out how to secure our landfill and work through this. >> So just Mr. Madam Chair, Mr. Verberg, so
uh like okay the road is open. We got a lot of pickups with trailers coming up there. They don't know exactly where they're going. They know the landfills off 144. They drive down that road. How are they going to get turned around if we got both sides fence? I mean, this is just a simple practical thing. >> Make a little loop. It's not a big deal. You could take
>> building roads. >> You just make a little loop there. It's not that. We have equipment >> down there. >> Yeah, we we could put one and we could even put one >> there's an there's an intersection there that >> or and you could sign it there. There's going to be people who are confused no matter how you look at it. Um, and
>> there's not a lot of access on that road, >> yes. >> Uh, that road was open for 20 years every Wednesday for eight hours a day for the hazardous waste office and they didn't have problems with it then. So, I you know, I understand I appreciate you thinking ahead, but that road was used
every day on Wednesday for uh 20 plus years. >> Yeah, it was. I don't >> the other thing >> the other thing is the the road the road condition I mean I or the road I think the current road is a it may be like only a 33 ft easement through there also so >> um
>> I don't know >> and that would remain >> that would be that would be that would be you know you have access but it's a 33 foot cartwway easement or property line property through there so that's that could be a hardship for if we have expansion of that back there that would
be a hardship for developing in the back. In my my opinion, a 33 foot cartway is not um it's going to >> you can't devel you can't have a development off that. >> Um no, I'm just saying it's I think you can have a development back there on a
33 foot township road, but it's it's not going to be a standard of a major development. I mean, it's it is it is going to be what it is, but just wanted to put out there that I think it's a 33 foot >> a lot of township roads, >> right? I'm just I'm just saying it just be be aware that it's a 33 foot.
>> Madam Chair, to answer your question, yeah, that gate was open was only open for certain hours of the day. Correct. On Wednesdays, >> correct? But in turn, they didn't have confusion of people going the wrong way to the Grant. >> Granted, um as a road and who would go
in there when they know the landfield? I mean it there could be some confusion but I I >> Madam Chair, the other issue for me is uh two different gates to cross that to get to our CND landfill. So someone comes in with a trailer. How so are we going to have to man that gate to open
and close it because it'll have to be closed. You don't want people coming in and out uh with that gate. I mean it creates some issues for us which aren't your issues. Uh but it it does create some issues for us. >> There's no reason that gate can't be open all day though, Phil. I mean, if you open this one, open that one. Have a
nice not not a swing gate, a nice rolling gate. >> You don't even need an opener. You could put an operator on it if you don't want an operator. I say a motor and you you could, you know, but if you wanted to save some money, they roll really nice. I I
>> But Richard, what's going to keep people from coming in that road and just dumping without ever going to the transfer station? There's possibility of that, but that's not the worst thing. You know, it's I would hope people wouldn't do that.
>> Well, you'd have signage, >> but you could have signage. >> It did become a problem. You would have >> and that's not I I can't see that being a big problem. >> I mean, no, I I don't I think that's I think it could happen. No question about it. >> It does. I mean, well, we we will we
want to deter it. People certainly aren't going to >> try to cheat $20 of garbage and and have a have a criminal record because of it. I mean, it's >> if they're going to dump it, they'll dump it in the ditch if they're going to do that.
>> I think that I think that's a workable problem that we can find solutions. >> It it is I don't see that as being a big problem. I mean, it isn't something to to to concern, but we would open those gates and and maybe maybe if it does become a problem, then they got to if
you're going to the you have to drive all the way around back to it. I I don't know. >> So, um >> still can't get in. What do you mean drive all the way around back out to 144? There's still no access to the CND landfill without going through a gate.
>> Correct. If they Yeah, they would be they'd be open. >> I mean, we say it's no problem to us here, but I mean, we've got employees up there working up there that are, you know, someone's either going to have to open the gate each time, go with the person who's dumping. I mean,
>> we're not going to do we're somebody illegally dumps in there that you're you're talking a huge expense. You're talking an extra person to do that. Now, I think some signage, maybe even a camera or even a fake camera, whatever. We don't want a fake camera, especially after you just said it in a public
meeting. >> They won't know. >> Nobody watches our >> Warehouse Foods had a fake camera for years and it worked. And I didn't know it was fake until it ended up at Rod Wall's junkyard and there it was. And I'm like, really? That's what it was?
Uh yeah, but yeah, I just don't see that be. It could be a small problem, but certainly we'll just open the gates in the morning and close them at night and and that's what that's what should have been done in the first place. We were really trying to fix what what was done wrong and that that's what should have
been done in the first place. when you start talking building roads and doing things like that and we've looked at that. >> I uh I asked that we've had a lot of conversation here but not a lot of it actually is directly in reference to township road issue and that's what I'm
asking is that the county basically from what I'm hearing here is saying yes we're all in agreement that the roads going to be reopened. >> The rest of it is behind the scenes environmental type work that I think has to be worked through. So, I'm I'm as a land owner asking that you guys
acknowledge the fact that this is where we're headed as a group between the two, the township and the and the county board here, that we're all in agreeance that the township will be reopened and so I can start moving forward on my private stuff. I >> mean, I'm I'm in agreement with it. I'm
I'm hesitant to say let's do it until we hear everything from MPCA that it's possible. And I and I know Charlie, you said you've talked to him, but but we I I don't have any of that from the MPCA. I I would want to I'm in agreement with
it. If the MPCA says what we need to do, >> I feel that respectfully, you and the MPCA is between you and them. The the road right away and the the public road is not in your crisis control. It's the township's road. it's time to get your
date off of it and that's and it's to be recorded. If they say no, it's not in the contract, then you two are going to have to figure out that contract issue and the fencing issue, but not the township road, if that makes sense. And that's where I we keep coming back. >> Well, Madam Chair, I somewhat disagree
with you. We could fight the township if we wanted to, but we're not going to because we would still have to have that property open. We still have to have access to that. I mean that property has been using that road forever and I think in court you would
win that that's established. So I'm but I'm not going to argue with town I I'd rather have the township maintain that road than the county. So I'm >> I would think that there'd be better money spent on a fence than than a court battle. I I I agree which is what we're agreeing but I'm just saying >> which is what we're agreeing to saying
why don't you guys take it back to the environmental group and MPCA and work out your side of it but acknowledge the fact that the township road is is there and going to be open and so I can get moving forward my part >> just one input in talking to our legal people
unless you can provide some proof that it has been vacated that is still a township road it's a minimum maintenance township road. That's a non-issue. >> I agree. >> We are as as a township, we are very
willing if we have to to litigate that and with not 100% certainty, but probably 95% certainty. You will not win that. >> That was illegally gated back in 1993 with no recording in any department in
the township or the county that that should have been gated. that you had permission to do it >> um >> by the time >> I think I think what we're arguing here is there's and you get in a court of law there's no winners first of all >> absolutely
>> there's no winners and there's no guarantee from the township or the county who's going to win that battle and we don't want to go there but I'm just saying there are all I mean >> there are always questions and nothing's 100% I am willing to say that that's that I am happy to allow that to be a
township code and I think and working with >> it's not a county decision. >> No, it is a it is a county madam chair point of order. It is a county decision whether we want to fight you or not on it. >> Absolutely. >> And we do I do not want to fight you on that.
>> Great. That's we appreciate. >> Madam Chair, could you answer one question? Why did you stop collecting gas tax with your road certification in 1992 or 93? >> Why collect gas tax on a minimum maintenance road? >> Yes, you do. We do in Lake View Township. We are
>> if it's open eight months out of the year, >> the county I just talked to her last week about that. She said you're not supposed to unless you're actively uh doing conducting maintenance. Road maintenance like you do your other roads.
>> Yeah. Minimum maintenance road is not subject to gas tax reimbursement. That's what we've been told for I've been on the board for 18 years and that's what we've been told every year. So that's the reason we did not. It's
>> So So Carrie, you have uh you're hoping to have a meeting set up with MPCA this week. >> That is what I have asked for. >> So So when after that meeting, could you send out a report to us? My hope is that we
can make a decision at our next board meeting. We will we will have this on the agenda. I did not Mr. Olsen, I did not say we would have a decision. I said we would discuss it at the next board meeting. I'm not I'm not trying to kick the can
down the road. I'm just trying to think of what is in the best interest of the county to make sure we're doing it right. Um I agree with with Commissioner Nelson. We're not we don't want to have a a lawsuit fight. I just want to make sure we have all of our ducks in order
before we we give you an answer. >> Madam Chair, and and with this, I think it's uh in the best interest of all that we have something in writing from the MPCA. >> Correct. >> Because everything in the contract that I have went through indicates that you
need permission to to alter anything. >> So, we want to make sure that we have that. >> And and again, here's another case where we could fight MPCA. And what does alter mean? Put, you know, you know, we could say we're putting a fence up the the gate to make sure we have I mean, we
could say that that's not altering anything because we're just securing it. We're not altering the use of the landfill at all. So, it's all everything's wordage. But I think I think our guidance to carry or in my opinion is let's move forward with however to however we can if we have to
fence that whole thing, then we have to fence it. But I I we move forward acknowledging that the township is going to work with the township with a township road agreement and and ask ask MPC what do we need to do to to secure this if if this gates removed because we
want to that's that's the question. How do we secure this when the gates are removed at the at the road entrance so we comply with with your with MPCA >> and that's exactly the question that I posed to them. We just want to comply with how they're going to do it and we will do it and
accept that it's a township road and and acknowledge that and however whatever documentation you guys need to do and we'll re and we will certainly recognize that my for me I don't have any problem but >> I I believe it's a downshift road. We don't have any say about it. That's what
I believe. But at the same time I don't want the gate to come down and cause a bunch of trouble. So I I don't and and we did talk to three people from the pollution control agency who seem to be very helpful and open open to taking
that gate down and and expedite it. So but with so I you know I I believe we don't have no say and and but at the same time it will just be a few days. Um, but I and then then you can take the
gate down if we if we can't help you and then see what happens. I don't know. >> But >> so, Madam Chair, in in closing on this uh item, again, I just want to say that um I just want this to stay on our radar
to keep moving it forward. And that is what I've told the township and that's what I've told the board. >> And I and I will apologize to you guys that we didn't start this back in June. you know that we and and we should we should have brought this back to the board once we got the the the fencing
estimate. So So yes, I do acknowledge that we have dropped the ball on this. Um but now moving forward, we just want to make sure that we're doing it the right way. So okay, anything else? >> Thank you again for your time. >> Thank you guys for coming.
>> All right, we will move on to the AED policy. Madam Chair, in your um packet, you would have had a copy of an AED policy. This has been um um in the works for a period of time. Um
several additional aid. This was a recommendation from the safety committee that we purchase uh AED machines so that they're accessible within our county buildings. Um I had had um I believe it was last week with the department heads
a meeting and we were just ensuring that we had the right locations. The last location before I left on vacation that we were going to ensure had one of these was up by or close to the jury room up on that end of the court room. Um so I
would ask for a motion to approve this. This also indicates that those that are interested in training for CPR as well as the AED training um potentially could get that training through our county because we have trained a trainer within the county. Um but I would also like
permission if the locations if we find that we have a location that we either missed or um need to modify the location that we have the ability to do that. I just want it to reflect properly the locations. Madame Chair Carrie, I mean, uh, one you had on
here, the locations, the HHW building. I I mean, there's nobody there except there's nobody there all the time. I I thought that was one that was unnecessary or could be better used in another place more frequented by people. That was just my thought.
>> Okay. >> The other thing is we're looking at maybe pairing Naron with these eventually. Mhm. >> And we were getting some additional information on that. just just remember that
>> these have to be checked on a regular basis and um >> and with uh with this what that will look like is monthly when u maintenance goes around they'll be responsible for checking these monthly a machines
>> and it's you know it's also not only checking them but it's got to be documented that you check them I mean we have to have that checklist documentation >> yes they're documentation that they've been checked and they're functional No, >> because if we don't do it, if we don't have a document, then we are then we're liable on a >> I mean, in my opinion, just like
lawsuit, you can be you're going to be sued for anything any time by anyone. And and if you don't have it, if you provide something and then don't have a if it's not documented that it was properly maintained and it isn't, then you're liable. >> Should we be checking them on a real
human being? >> Could have a heart, though. >> We could. >> Okay. So >> do that with the tasers that the sheriff. >> Um so Carrie, you would like a motion to accept the AED policy?
>> No, I'll make a motion to accept the AED policy with the possibility of adjusting locations. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So we have a motion. >> I'll second. Barry second. >> We have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I.
I. opposed. Motion carries. >> Um, is this where we added that safety? >> Oh, yes. Um, >> safety update. >> You know what, and I I probably caught you off guard of this. When I was reading the AED, I thought it'd be a do a good time to do we saw a lot of
violations this summer. Maybe do an update, but I I would reserve that if you don't want if we're not prepared now, we could do it at the next meeting. I can um whichever I can give a general and and maybe more in depth if I'm more prepared but Steve is also here and a lot of that falls within his buildings
too. >> That would be fine. >> Um >> so we had the walk through with Safeure which we utilize for them. It's like a mock OSHA walkthrough of all of our buildings just to give um suggestions, updates of potential safety concerns
that we have throughout our buildings. we get a listing of all of that and then um from that point just process-wise um Brent Bristlin from maintenance um was very involved in all of that as well as specific department has within
buildings. Um I would say the majority of it has been rectified. Um there's probably still some ongoing uh specifically out probably in Steve's area. I don't know if you have any other specific Madam Chair.
Steve, do you want to speak to that? >> We had we had a lot of safety violations out there. A lot of them were just mops in front of, you know, fire. >> Yeah. Some of it was practice. Some of them we had to make some changes, get some that type of thing, update some
signage. That stuff's been taken care of. >> For the most part, I'd say vast majority of >> Okay. And then there are some areas too where there's different
operational you >> probably one example is I know we talked about this in safety you know when you have a an area where you can't have um eyewash stations blocked or AEDs covered and those kinds of things. Well, you can
clear all of that, but then down the road people tend to put things back back there again. So, one of the things I think which was I think a win was they secured with tape, you know, nothing within this area so that it was a reminder for staff that that area need
to be cleared but also to be kept clear. So we we did do some modifications and and just for recordeping um those were either assigned to specific staff members within certain departments and then it was rechecked
and checked off again and all of those records were kept by Brent. So >> because I again what I didn't want is us to get a safety report and it goes on a shelf and then nobody's really looking at it because it was a lot of
information that I think could be helpful to us to ensure that you know we are addressing all safety aspects of that. So >> do you want a more in-depth update next? >> I specifically wanted environmental because it seemed like there was a lot of
>> easy stuff that could be taken care of and I've >> Okay. been placated with the information. It's fine. >> Then Madame Chair Cody is here too because I know that the contract was pulled to get specific questions for >> Yep. Cody, you want to come up and >> Yeah, I missed the earlier part of the
meeting so I wasn't sure what were on there. But >> Madam Chair, Cody, I had just uh wondered the EDA the MMCDC uh contract. Um um I saw what was changed there was some wording but uh I I didn't see anything about the dollar amount was
that negotiated better out or >> there's no change to the term or the dollar amount of the contract. It was essentially >> from last there's some spelling uh you know mistakes in there. Um consistency with
some terms between you know contract and agreement were used interchangeably. So just making it uh consistent throughout the contract on language, couple definitions added in there defining um you know specifically kind of what something meant like administratively and things like that. So really it was
just a lot of word smithing you know to >> but the cost that was not did we talk about this before that we were going to >> change? >> No the cost didn't change from what we approved the end of the year we had we had initially approved it. Um,
>> so >> it was just some minor language. >> Madam Chair, just this contract was already has already been approved. They just had a couple they just had a couple >> language clarifications. I think probably the best way to do it. So, but yes, we are, you know, still reviewing
this for the future. >> Correct. >> But this is the next year. So, make a motion to approve. >> All right. We have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> All right. Okay. Any further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I.
>> Opposed. >> Motion carries. >> Thanks, Cody. >> Thanks, Cody. >> All right, Jim. We have our amendment to blading and plow contract. Good morning, commissioners. Um
yeah, the item for your consideration, um little background, we have uh a contractor that maintains two areas uh maintenance areas for our gravel road doing the uh summertime bleeding and wintertime plowing. He is going out of
business or that business is closing. And um we uh reached out to the adjacent contractors uh to see if they would provide us quotes to uh take those or if there was interest for them to uh take those areas
over and then provide us their their quote. So they did provide our quotes. So we are recommending that we amend the contract through the rest of its term which is uh this year and next year. uh and then we can go out for our
uh bid which is three years long. But uh pricing on that um in one area it did go up based on the bids that was provided. Um the increase in one area is estimated based on ours uh that we think might
happen in a year. So it'll go up approximately about $11,800. The other one is essentially unchanged. uh had similar quotes there. And for I provided a map. Uh the areas uh that are
being amended are the ones south of trunk highway 34, the the roads in yellow and the roads in Aqua. Um Thelen uh excavating uh just north of 34 there, the ones kind of the mustard color will be taking over
the area in Aqua. And then Gustin Construction will be taking over the yellow areas. He's right north of that area as well. >> Madam Chair, I'll move to approve resolution 2D. >> All right, we have a motion to approve resolution 2D. Do I have a second?
>> I'll second. >> All right. Any further discussion? >> I'm I'm a little hesitant to I mean, I think Jim's probably done the homework, but when you um when you add areas like I'm just it's a little bit torn whether they
should go out for bid again, but we're in a time crunch. So, um, go out for for competitive bids when especially when you have an increase like that in the one area. So, I'm a little I'm I'm would ask the highway committee to that they vetted this
pretty well, I would assume. >> Madame Chair, Commissioner Nelson, um, we did talk about that a little bit and, um, there's not a lot of people in the area that can do the work. So, >> um it's >> it's hard to find people to blade roads.
There's there's not a huge >> uh amount of, you know, um >> many. >> You don't you don't make a lot of money in a road grader. That's the way it is. And there's not a lot of people doing it. And it's it's actually hard to find
people to bid on on some of them. So, >> Jim, when are these contracts up again? >> April 30th, 28. >> 28. So be >> we'll be in the spring of 28. >> I'm I just you know I just looking for the committee to reassure me that this
is our best and and probably maybe only option at this time in this and Jim >> I would refer you to Jim. >> I think uh if we follow it's easier to go through uh like I say if we're going to go out and rebid this uh it's a timeline. um we would probably be
maintaining it maybe for a month and I I don't know who would would bid at this point but I think if we go through the term of the contract then we can do maybe a little bit more robust advertising when we started again and seek out you know other graders to do that.
>> So Jim when they when they gave you the bid that bid was for the >> duration of the contract >> them understanding that they would have it for the duration of the contract not just >> one season >> one season. So, I think that's that's, you know, another thing. We may we may
be in a pickle if we go back to him and say, "How about if you just do it the rest of the season and then we're going to have to have you bid it again." Would you agree? Or >> True. Um or if we only did it for one season and then went out for quotes, you know, they would have thought, well, they're kind of we might be kind of
bound that we might have got higher pricing yet as opposed to giving it a longer term. But um I mean I could look through the contracts. Maybe we have language. We could terminate all contracts maybe early if it it allows
for it if you wanted to bid a year earlier. But um I guess ideally uh we thought this >> you think it's a fair price the 170 an hour compared to what 140 went up from 145 was it? one.
>> Um, >> I don't think it's unheard of. I guess >> I don't think it's out of line. We're losing people to Blade Roads and and we've I've we've tried it to get the township, Detroit Township tried to get me to get a grater. I'm like, don't
there's no money in that. It's just there's not a lot of money in it. A road grader is very expensive piece of equipment. >> Mhm. >> I would not want to try. >> And it's a thankless job. >> It's a thankless job. I would not want to try it. money at 170 bucks an hour with that machine
>> and and we are losing them. We you know um >> and so and we've tried to get people to come up here and they won't they won't even give us a price over in Detroit Township. Um, so I don't think it's out of line and I have a lot of equipment
and I run equipment and I just and I think they're looking at the future because it's getting more and more expensive every year to maintain this construction equipment and purchase it. It's Yeah, >> but I do see what you're saying, Barry,
in that the other contractor was in line >> where this one was, >> you know, quite a bit higher for both the blade and the >> Wow. Is that their same dollar amount on the contract they currently hold? >> Um gosh, I don't have those numbers.
I think it is probably a little bit of an increase over their their amount. Um, I can get you those numbers if you'd like, but but >> we can if you're not comfortable, Barry, I understand where you're coming from. >> I just look for
>> I do think it would be nice to know though, Barry, now that you bring that up, what is he currently? What is his contract on his other ones? I mean because I think the you know the the I mean that that one is right in in
line but the other one does >> well >> so we have a motion and a second >> Barry did you want to amend >> I would I would
I'm just looking at the highway committee and saying if you do your due diligence and this is our best option I'm fine I just I'm just asking the questions and and hope you so I'm fine with you giving authorization for the for it to be approved after highway
department consideration if you want to amend it like that. >> I was just talking to another actually a commissioner from Manomomen County Dave who finally gave up grad roads. You probably know that Jim um you know he just he could couldn't make any money at
it and and and >> and help is hard to find and it's getting harder and that is to do it now. Anybody can grade a road grader and grade a road if you don't want it done right. >> Um and and because yeah for years I
watched them go by my house and and uh that thing wasn't even working. And I'm like let me in there for just a minute. I'll show you something. Uh, but he wasn't cutting anything. And then we got another guy and he come by and that thing's smoking and he's burning fuel. And there's a big difference in who does
it and then how long does it last if you if you cut it right and do it right. And there's a talent that goes into it. And >> and so it is it's just a it's I'm not saying that we couldn't find a cheaper price somewhere, but we are we're losing talented people and that do this.
They're they're not interested in doing it anymore. Madame Chair, Commissioner Nelson, this did not come through committee. Uh it came to finance. It seemed like an urgent thing that we had to uh or maybe it wasn't urgent, but it's something we worked on in finance. >> Well, yeah, the termin termination is at
the end of the month, so we need some for February. If you wanted to hold off, I mean, we would probably just have to maintain those roads through February if you want want us to >> Oh, okay. So it is the same as what he
his current bid. >> So yep, >> we approved it there. So he's he didn't >> Yeah, he he was at 170 and 205 and I think >> that's what that says, right? >> Yep. He just >> pulled this pull the same price over.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So >> I think that changes it a little bit that we know he that that's what he's guarding on the other road. So >> maintain I'm saying quotes, >> you know, I I'm I don't have any problem
moving forward and approving this. I would also state though that as we move forward, you know, Jim, if you find that if you go back and find that this we should just do one year. I think that we should have that. I mean, Jim can also come back and say we're
just going to do a one. I mean, if you find better solutions or have that conversation so it can be changed. Doesn't mean you we authorize this, but if you find better solutions, you can bring them back and and change it. >> Oh, definitely. >> If if you guys know what I'm you know, if you guys say, "Hey,
>> we found this. Let's let's do it this way and come back to the next meeting for revision." >> Okay. >> But we do need to keep moving forward and >> not after we sign a contract. We can't do that. >> Not after he signs. But if if in the next few days you guys find a you you do some homework or research and sign, oh,
wait. This is with these questions being asked. I >> I >> All right. Motion second. Any further discussion? >> All right. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Motion carries. >> Madam Chair, Jim, before you leave, he's
got another thing on the agenda. >> Okay. >> I think you you pulled the memorandum of understanding. Okay. Um little background on that. You remember from our 5-year plan, we added that little chunk at 37 uh because we heard that Clear Water was going to do
>> um their work on 39 going north there. Uh they uh provided us with anou, which kind of spells out the responsibilities. Essentially, we're just paying the bill at the end of the contract. Uh we will review the plans, sign the plans, they
will hold the contract, uh you know, re bid it out, and we'll get to review those bids. So, um, this, uh,ou then essentially says, you know, what those responsibilities are, and we're responsible only for our section of 35 for paying that, and that will be paid
with state aid funds. We estimate that work at this point around $80,000. >> I I I I understand and everything you're saying and I agree, but I I don't think it specifically says in theou that we are only responsible for
our road. Number eight says project cost for Becker County Cass 37 will be paid by Becker County. That's all it says. It doesn't say that we I mean they're not going to do that, but we could be responsible for whatever they decide we were responsible for. And I know they're
not going to do that. I understand that. But you know what I mean. >> So do you think it should be worded Becker County will only be respons only be responsible for project costs for Becker? >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> does that make sense? >> Okay. I mean, I it's just a it's a a
wordssmith thing, but I I and I obviously I know Clearwater County is not going to do that. I Why would they do that? But >> yeah, and I don't know if item seven above it, it says we'll be invoiced for our share of engineering expenses and construction cost.
>> Yeah, but it doesn't but it doesn't say what our share is. >> You know what I mean? I I read that, too. >> I imagine you'll go on percentage mile percentage. >> Yeah. Well, we can it's easy to figure out actual quantities too. So, but yeah, I
mean we could look at the full length. I it depends upon they might have wider shoulders or whatever, but but we'll they measure the tonnage that goes down on the road. Uh this is a mill and overlay and that's essentially what we have to do. And then the engineering costs typically then are based off of
prorating what our construction cost share is versus our construction. You know, maybe it's 4% and then we'll be charged the charge for engineering at 4%. So, do we agree we should change the
wording to Becker County will only be will only pay for project costs for or are we okay with how it's currently working? >> Um, the only thing I'm a little worried about I think they are probably simultaneously right now have this at their board meeting today. So, I don't
>> need to get it out for bids. I I mean it's not I it it's it's not that big a deal I guess but it just stuck out to me that oh >> well item A project cost for Becker County state aid highway 37 will be paid for by Becker County. I I think that's
pretty clear. >> Yeah, but it I agree with you. It is clear that we'll pay for that. But it doesn't say that we won't we wouldn't might not pay for something else. >> But it doesn't say we will. >> Doesn't say we will. I know you're right. It doesn't doesn't say either thing. >> So we're good. One thing I found on the
on the agreement and the resolution is it has the we would usually say the engineer and the administrator, but they have engineer and board chair. >> Yes. >> Which I think because I don't think they have do they have an administrator in
Clear Water? >> Don't they have a coordinator? >> But I mean they their roles are >> No. >> Yeah. I mean, so we I would suggest in the that our administrator would be the second sign instead of board chair because it for for future things, but I in in the need for moving forward, I
think we can um you know, you just wonder sometimes if if the board chair has to sign a document and they're Erica's at home or at work, you know, it's like it would be best that it would read the administrator for future in my opinion. I >> I'll make a motion to approve 2C.
>> All right, we have a motion. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Any further discussion? >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Oppose. >> Motion carries. >> Thanks, Jim. >> All right. Thank you, >> Jim. One other thing. Uh, just the signage, making of signs. Does our
county still make our signs or do >> the only signs we make are the 911 address signs now. >> So, address regulatory road signs are we either get them from M&R and Fergus Falls. Uh, and there's another company
in Fargo as well. >> But, um, >> so did we used to do that? Did the company used to do that >> quite a while ago? They they probably did. >> Okay. So, the sign shop up there is only to store the signs for use, which you purchased from M&R, >> correct? Yeah.
>> Oh, y I thought you were making those things. >> I thought we made more. I knew we purchased, but I thought we made more. I mean, we've done a few custom signs, but >> we've gotten out of that business cuz I mean, we can take the old blanks, recycle them, send them back, and they can reheat them, and it's so much
quicker and easier for them to do it. >> Less inventory for us to hold. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Since Kyle's not here yet, do we want to take a five-minute break? >> Yep. >> All right. >> There was >> Oh, Madam Chair, there was something that I just read in the paper that I can't remember what it was, but it was
going to save us. It was a really good thing that legislation just changed. Did anyone else read that? Legislation just changed was a requirement now that God I I'm trying to review what that was, but it was a really good thing for for us. I remember reading it. It was just last night.
>> Well, I don't know if I read it because I'm not sure what you're talking about. >> I know. I'll have I'm doing research, but there's good news for All right, let's take a five minute break. I got You should look at the break. We'll return it. Can you guys hear me? >> Y >> um yeah, the
>> some of them were and some of them weren't. >> So, >> um >> total revenue was this. >> This was the gross. This there was two sales in here. What? Mary >> Mayber?
>> December. >> December was >> right. >> Um, >> okay. >> Madam Chair, I did find the article that I was referencing that we had good news and it was the Minnesota state regulators ruled that burning trash and wood can be considered carbon-f free. um
to generate electricity will now be considered carbon free under Minnesota's landmark clean energy law after decision by the public utilities commission p the state utilities regulator on a contentious hearing January 15th. So, um there are some I would suggest to go to
the um this is uh in the form under Minnesota state regulators rule that burning trash, but um that should that will be um a positive to to keep our incinerators open because there was there's groups that were that are trying
to close incinerators. Um it explains how they can do that and how they justify that in the do in the paper. So, >> it's good to know. Thanks for that, Barry. And I think that uh that to add on to that that POS incineration burns this POS which I think is something that is emerging that's incinerators get rid
of it >> a serious concern for future. >> So I mean incinerators are in a good position and >> and you know you you would even think that they should be expanding incinerators. >> I Barry I I brought that up at the meeting. >> I think so too.
>> And biomass >> that electricity. Um, last thing on our agenda is planning and zoning and we have Kyle on the line. Um, first up is proposed zoning ordinance amendments. Uh, good morning commissioners. Um, as
Erica mentioned, there is three amendments for your consideration. Um, what I'm requesting is permission just to take those three amendments to the zoning ordinance advisory committee for just to begin consideration. So there's
no action today before you to act on them individually or anything of that nature. Uh it would just be to again get permission to begin uh discussions on them. >> So do do we need a motion to give authorized permission to discuss? Okay,
>> Madam Chair, I would like to I think we what we need to do though is establish a direction by the board consensus some sort of direction to ask for where where are we going with this the first one at data centers. Um, >> oh, hold on. But, Madame Chair, >> Commissioner Nelson, um, you had
requested when we had a zoning ordinance committee meeting last year that this should go before the board before we start talking about it. So, I think that's what Kyle's doing here is coming before the board and then we'll take it back to the zoning
ordinance advisory committee. We'll discuss it and then bring it back. Is that >> Well, I I was just asking to to get some background on on what it is and what we what where we're going. I mean, >> I don't want it more strict. Do we want it more lenient? Do we want Yeah, >> I don't know where we're going with it. I mean, which direction are we and what
what language are we considering? I don't I This is the first I've seen the data center one. >> So, what what are we looking at? >> So, the data center is is on the agenda because there's rumors um circulating that one may be being considered in
Becker County um to apply. We currently don't have any regulations on them um or anything of that nature. So, just trying to get I guess ahead of any potential application we may see. So, I don't have any language for you to consider because
I'm just asking for permission to put language together because that is the direction that was given as uh Commissioner Hansen stated, you know, about >> Yeah, I'm I'm all on board with that. I just I want to know where where we are, what the pros and cons of a data center
are and which direction we should be going. >> So, do we want data? I think the the question really is do we want a data center in Becker County >> or where in Becker County would be where would be appropriate? What are the needs of a data center? I mean, it's a high water usage, high electricity usage. Um,
so I mean, I think there may be it's kind of like kind of like like your larger egg farms. Do they fit in do they have those type of requirements? I I I don't know. This one's new to me, so I'm I'm asking. I'm not I'm asking so I get more informed on
it. I know there's a lot of controversy because they can get such a huge footprint. Um >> yeah, I would say I'm not fond of having a data center in Becker County. >> I wouldn't mind. >> They would employ a lot of people. What I think they're like 40 acres. Is that one north?
Have you heard about it, Barry? >> Well, I have not. I've heard about them. I've heard I think there's one out in Harwood. I'm not that familiar with them though. So I I really don't know. >> I'm just thinking that because I know that they do take a lot of water resources and >> a lot of water >> and electricity.
>> Madam Chair, Kyle, um >> do they cool it with water? >> I I understand the concerns and that's just exactly why I have it on your agenda. Like I said last week, our office got a call about um if one had been applied for here. Um, it was a call
from Ohio and I just I said, "No, we've we've not had an application." But I just kind of asked the the gal for some background on why she was calling and she had said that um there was just a kind of rumors I guess that one was being applied for. I don't know if she
was a competitor of that applicant that, you know, they think is coming here or trying to come here, but um so I just wanted to to get ahead of it, I guess. Um, >> Madame Chair Kyle, uh, does the state have any rules on data centers? They
must that would override whatever we come up with. >> I I can't answer that. >> Okay. Remember that conference went to last fall >> uh down in St. Cloud? I think they talked about that. I can try to pull that information.
>> This obviously would require a cup though, right? Or a condition permit if they were >> Well, that's what we have to decide. I I mean >> I think that's one thing that for sure >> if it's not in a city limit. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Which I don't think it would be in the city and I don't know that they employ a lot of people.
>> I mean a data center >> a data center is really just a building with a bunch of servers. >> Right. >> I mean that's all it is. >> We should ask Judy what maybe she could explain it. which is why it takes so much water because you have to keep
>> that room that like a perfect example is we have the air conditioner in our server room >> in the middle of winter gets too hot >> the server goes down. Well, that's what these big data centers are is like our big server room. That's what they've
said is that you're going to see them proposed um you know up here versus down south basically based off of temperatures. So you're 100% correct. >> Mhm. >> They like it up here because we are cold winters. >> Madam Chair Kyle, I I I think we don't
know. I think we need to educate the board and I don't know if some people >> No, we don't we we don't. That's what I just was looking for permission to explore it. That's >> Yes. >> Yes. And I think >> I don't know anything at this point. I think if we have potential of one coming, I think this one probably should
be a priority of the three, which is maybe why you have it listed as number one. But >> yeah, especially there's a possibility somebody might >> because I would no matter what I would rather have I would rather have something than nothing. Yeah. >> So I mean I think
>> just understand that the other option is um you know if that so if that application let's say we seen it tomorrow the board can could just consider a moratorum and the purpose of that moratorum would be to allow us the time to consider amendments. So
>> 6 months to a year. >> Yes. So this is a good thing to try and get ahead of it. But for just for comfort, if if it does show up tomorrow, we know you know we heard about it last week. If it shows up tomorrow, we still have time where we have options, I
should say. >> Good to know. Thanks, Kyle. >> We have to do the moratoriums correctly and I'm sure >> Yeah, we got to do it correctly this time. >> I'm sure administrator will give us proper guidance. >> All right. next any um so the building height amendments I think everybody got
that email from um Mr. Was it Ranstead? Is that what his last name is? >> It's like rained or something like that. >> Yeah. So, and this this has been something he he has asked been asking Kyle's office. You know, he reached out
to me um a couple years ago when I first came into office just asking for us to consider it. Um you know, everybody has the email about what he would want. I I don't see an issue with it. I would I would support that amendment um if that's what we want
to move forward. And I think there was something else you were wanting to amend in it too, Kyle. How we measure it. >> Yeah, I' I'd just like to explore if there's a different option on how we measure it to basically simplify how we do it. Right now, we're looking at
averages um of basically the topography as well as the the roof itself. And that's just pretty difficult for us to measure. um you know trying to figure out what the average ground height is is, you know, you basically need a
surveyor to go out and do a whole topographical map for you. So it it's just not that efficient, if that makes sense, >> Madam Chair. So Kyle, you're talking about like a like a walk out basement. Where do you take the measurement from to get to the peak of the house? Is that the kind of thing you're It's It's hard
to measure. >> Yes, exactly. Okay. So, it's not >> you're not a you know, Commissioner Hansen, you're not measuring from like the walk out itself, that ground elevation. You have to find the average between that walk out level and then the
the top floor. So, it it's just kind of difficult if that makes sense. >> So, you're looking for a way to make this a little easier and kind of clean it up. >> Yes. Yes. um you know it while addressing um that
that uh citizen's request for the increase in height or how we measure height I guess could affect you know what he's doing. >> Okay. And then any further discussion on building height amendments?
>> Yeah. I I I I would bring us something to >> Well, he'll go to the zoning ordinance advisory committee first, which is us. >> You're on that. Yep. Yeah. And I I just to >> just to let you know I you know I have a concern over height re in the Riperian
because I I'm concerned of uh um non-standard lots and you know you're very close to your neighbors now you're going to put a three and a half story building next to a onestory cabin that's been there for 40 years. So I mean the transition
>> that's where my concern is. If you're on an 80acre lot and you can I think you can build whatever you want if you're 500 ft from anyone else that >> which is I I know Mr. Ryanstead. >> Rain. Yeah. >> Rain. What? However you pronounce his last name. He he is not he's I believe
on Highway 34. >> But he could get a permit to do that. You could get >> I mean I think maybe we could do an administrative in-house administrative permit when you have that many acres and so many feet, you know. >> So I don't necessarily like the thought of not having height restriction on on
Riperian lots. But >> can you just can we just change our >> max >> to only have hype limits on those lots? >> Well, I think you have to go to committee and review a because there's lots of things that happen that you are
not thinking of. >> Sure. >> You know, >> well, we'll we'll >> I don't have a problem reviewing it because I think there are reasons to allow it in areas. >> Yep. >> Um with certain conditions, maybe acreage or distance from but yes. So, >> okay. Land and vegetation alteration
amendments. Anything to say about that one, Kyle? >> Uh, yeah. So, basically, you know, the land alteration is is the major goal there. We do have some vegetation things. I'd like to um review as well, but they kind of go hand in hand because
if you disturb land, you probably disturb vegetation. Um, but the the reasoning behind that one is um I believe you guys are all aware of of the appeal that took place at the board of adjustments regarding the land alteration for Prairie Lake Investments.
Um, and basically in a nutshell what that appeal was is that our office, my position does not have the administrative authority to basically grant land alterations for that such as a project as that. And then
when that appeal got brought forward, you know, looking at, okay, what basically what what her argument was is that I I can't do it outside of a subdivision or conditional use permit. So, what I would like to do is clarify
basically what authority my office has in those instances, if that makes sense. >> Um, just because right now it's not that clear. >> Um, >> okay. >> So, that >> that's fair. basically. >> Okay, that one's easy.
>> That one's easy. Yep. >> Okay. Anything more on on the zoning ordinance amendments proposed? >> Uh, no, ma'am. >> Okay. On to the conditional use permit inspection procedure. >> Um, I I do believe that there has been
past discussion at the board, just very minimal. Um, I I think I'll just let Commissioner Hansen elaborate on this a little bit if if he's willing to do that. Yes. Um, we've talked about this a little bit in the past. I just thought that since we are issuing issuing
conditional use permits, there should be a follow-up to make sure they're being followed. Um, and that's that's all this would be. Uh, we issue about 30, is it Kyle? 30 conditional use permits a year. >> That's a fair number. Yes.
>> Um, I do uh concur with Commissioner Varberg. I I'm not trying to be snoopy, but I I want to make sure they're asking us for something. I think we have a responsibility to make sure it was done properly. Um and and and this
would be a follow-up procedure. Uh maybe it's a driveby just to make sure. >> Madam Chair, Kyle, I have a quick question. Um, so currently if does it depend on the year? If someone's got a conditional use for a small business in
their out of their property, um, and they don't use that anymore, does that does that go away or is that stay with the property forever? >> I believe if it's not and if it's not active for a period of one year, it goes away. >> I mean,
>> and that would be after the 2009 amendment, >> right? because before that they're grandfathered in to have that and and um >> but I also believe in statue like if they're with it kind of gets a little bit gray between what is a non-conforming use and then what was
conditional. So prior to prior to a conditional use permit if it was active. Okay. Um no matter the year if it's not active for that one-year period I believe it goes away. and then after 2009 again if it's not active for one
year it goes away. So the the one catch there would be if there was a conditional use permit granted prior to 2009 I don't think there is a timeline for activeness if that makes sense. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So my question now Dollar General on
Becker County 5 south of the Corant Village has now been um not active for a certain amount of time. Is that conditional use now? Do we what are the proceedings now to eliminate that conditional use permit or how do we how do we move forward on that? And that's
an example of one where we should keep up to date if these are, you know, still valid cuz what happens if in five years that sells and now you have a dollar tree comes in there. I mean, is it a >> do they have to go use permit again?
>> Yeah. So I think what we could do just for our own sake, I was just pulling up this but just to check the language. So the ordinance would automatically make it null and void. And what we could
do is record a document um as you know some type of follow-up document to that conditional use permit that we granted. I guess just to cover our own bases. So, you know, if there was ever a transfer of title or something that they couldn't say, well,
we weren't aware of this or if that makes sense. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. We should have some documentation somewhere in there and how we get there. >> Yeah. >> It's sign off. We grant it. It's sign off that they did it right. That's what
the follow That's what I'm looking for. Kyle, could you tell me how many commit conditional use permits do we have in Becker County that have been issued for Do we even know that? >> I don't not know that number. No. >> Okay. >> Um, Commissioner Hansen, are you
specifically like for the followup, are you specifically thinking um when we um add on amendments or or conditions, I guess, >> like signizes to the conditional use permit. that which you're wanting to make sure
>> storage units, trees, there tree barriers. What if all the trees die? Do we have something in place for that? I mean, you didn't want the trees to die. Well, I planted them. Well, >> you want a barrier. >> Um, so it's just due diligence followup. It's >> during the winter months when we've
probably got more time in that office. >> That's what I was thinking. Should we go around to everybody's place and that's not in business and make, you know, and this is my problem that there's so, you know, you you talk about making things fair, but it's if you can make things
fair, you're in the wrong position here. Um, because there's there's so much that goes on in our county. And I don't want to pick on farmers, Barry, because I was raised on a farm. But come on our farm and look at what's there and say, "Yeah, it's okay for me to have all this old
equipment and those old combines and this fence and all this stuff, but you you've got one extra car here or your trees died and you need to get them planted." And so this is my problem. We're it's never going to be fair. And I think I've been in business my whole
life and the government has been on my back >> and they have been against me. And I don't care whether it's a trucking business or the pollution control agency and I do not want to get on somebody's back who's trying to start a small
business and start come and picking at them because >> so much they've agreed to the terms that we've set forth and they want to do that business there. I think then that's I mean I'm I'm specifically thinking of screening for neighbors. I mean that's the one I mean the neighbors didn't want
it. We allowed it because we're going to try to do screening to help the neighbors >> with finding that balance of property rights. I don't necessarily want to go into business and and look at I mean >> but I want the screenings if we we if we
require screenings for neighbor for the neighbor for the joining properties benefit I think those are things that we should be make sure are complied >> and I don't have a problem with the screening but I do have a problem if all the trees died and then and they were weren't doing very good and now we make them come in and you know uh I'm just
going to tell you I planted a bunch of trees and my neighbor sprayed them with his sprayer He denies it, but there's just a >> No, you could, you know, you can call um >> Department of Egg and and they will they will test those and they can tell you if
they've been sprayed or not. >> But I mean, if you want, but it's still if if there's someone that has a responsibility to put a tree line there because it's required, then you are require then you are required to keep that >> because that is a condition of >> the permit for if you've got to replant them, then replant them. I mean, you can
get trees for I mean, you could be >> 250. Yeah, you can get the small trees and they and they catch up to transplanted trees very quickly. So, I mean, I would I don't have a problem telling them you have to plant more um more cottonwood trees, more the seedless
cottonwood trees because they grow at a hu very fast rate. So, >> so is this um >> I you could you could even you could even maybe more specific to um screening effects. You could say we want to we want to have um and you semiannual every
5 years screening effects of the requirements of of conditional use permits. >> So for this what what we're what what Kyle's looking for direction. Is this something that needs to be in the zoning ordinance or is this just a policy for his office to follow?
>> This is just a policy. >> Just a policy. >> I would agree with that. Yeah, >> it would just be so so basically the reason it's before you is I didn't want to, you know, go out and make contact with anybody. As Commissioner Hansen said, a lot of it would probably be just a drive by. You'd drive by and say,
"Okay, they required a fence. Is the fence there?" >> We don't necessarily wouldn't need to go and knock on anybody's door. But >> for the case where we did or there was a followup of a letter of enforcement, I didn't want you to get a call >> without you being in favor of this. Um,
basically wondering what what is that office doing, you know, doing this without, you know, our consensus. >> You know, the the other thing, Kyle, I'd like to and I don't know if we can do this, but there's some there's some that have conditional use permits that would
like them, you know, to or maybe they're even zoned improperly. If you go back to I think I would like people to be able to go back to agriculture if they have a um say they've got commercial and we had some of those commercial sites that want to go back to egg. I don't know why we would ever object to someone from
commercial asking to go back to egg and and I don't know if we can just do that inhouse or not. I don't know that you have but can we give you the authority to allow commercial to go back to egg without going through any processes >> because there's been a couple cases where
>> I think a change of zone by statute probably requires your action. >> Okay. >> I can check on that for you. >> Yeah. Well, and I it's not a big deal. It only happens a couple times. But how about the other thing of re the revoking of a conditional use permit if if it's
requested by the applicant? I mean, because there's restrictions. I know one by my place, they're not supposed to have any anything outside any any I mean by their conditional use permit. So, their conditional use permits should be invalid and they don't care because they're it's not that
>> it's not necessarily it would be a revocation of the conditional use permit of the current land owner. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because the because the conditional use permit goes along with the priority 2009. Yeah. >> Prior to 2009 >> and some of them don't even probably
know they even have >> I think but I think even after 2009 it still goes along with the property, >> right? They all go with the property. >> It's the the after 2009 is if it's not active. I I and that's something that we
should I mean we should monitor to some degree if it's a non-active condition use permit or a bit you know like I have one I know of one that's a small business and right now it's just a they're just people live there with a camp >> I think if the people that own the property requested and it's not active I I don't see any reason why we just can't
get rid of it. I mean >> just have them sign off on it in a year. Didn't you say it goes away? >> Not if not if it's after 2009 though >> if it's before 2009. 4 2009 it doesn't. >> But I don't know. I think we're all kind of in agreement that >> I would agree.
>> Well, no, Richard. >> Well, you know, do this, right? >> I'll give you an example. So, we have septic system compliance on lakes. Okay. >> And and we have something in place that if your contractor can't get to it and it's not an imminent health risk, then
you can wait to have yours done. So, you don't have to choose a contractor you don't want. And we don't have uh the person anymore, but we had an inspector going around and knocking on people's doors saying, "Why haven't you done this?" They didn't know. You know, I
don't want it to get out. I don't if it's if it's an absolute driveby and we make that understanding. I don't have a problem and I don't have a problem with the screening. But if we start but but this is who's who's doing the the inspections and who's doing this
and it gets out of hand and >> right I would have I would worries me why I like if there's a complaint we follow up on it but I don't want to get out of hand and start >> giving people a hard time. >> Well we don't I mean I know Kyle said
that he could manage it but every time you put another task on it it has more responsibility and more on staff. So, um I think this should be a um I think the screenings parts I think those are most important to me. What what affect
>> what affects your adjoining property owners is what I have the most concern. >> Yeah. I think another thing is parking requirements. Do we do we ever put conditional use permits on or condition conditions on conditional use permits for parking or
lighting or like those things that are again a condition to us saying you can have you can you can do this business or whatever it is but this is what you have to follow to appease you know the
surrounding property owners. So I think I don't think we should be going around and >> or you know another >> knocking on people's doors. I think we should there should be some followup >> is maybe just a letter sent to them saying are you you know >> we >> these are compliance things are you know please check those are you still comp do
you still have compliance in these we could we just send a letter to them and remember these are compli these are conditions of your conditional use permit to remind you that these are still in >> enforceable. >> Mhm. And that might be, you know, if you especially were concerned about
screening for your neighbors. >> My idea was a year follow-up letter to state that do the driveby and and and state that uh >> you need to be client. We notice that you've got 12 vehicles out there and you're not supposed to have those.
There's junk over. Um this kind of leads >> Yeah. That was my idea of of have a year review after it's been issued >> and that your your example would lead to more of a a business that has like mechanic or something and there and I
think if you remember in some cases there's been cases that say this place has been a you know had a lot of vehicles already. We're worried that it's only going to get worse. So, I mean, and we and conditions have been put on. You're only allowed this many cars because the neighbors have concerns that you're going to get worse in this
property because there are, you know, so I I I think that's a letter stating, you know, like I think that's a fairly reasonable request. After one year, you get a send a letter to saying these are, you know, reminder this these are
conditions on your conditional use. Um, as as we were we're were clo near your property, we noticed these may be in this may be in violation. So >> Mhm. >> Madam Chair, Kyle, is this something that is doable to come up with something
like what we've been talking about? >> Yeah, I think I have pretty clear direction. I just and after, you know, speaking with you yesterday, I understand your expectation. Again, just wanted a consensus. So, you know, if
somebody does um make a phone call to one of you that you're aware of, we're doing. >> All right. All right. Anything else? Thanks, Kyle. >> Thanks, Kyle. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anything else
before we adjourn? Just reminder, we have lunch with department heads. >> Time 11 >> 11:15. Um, so that now that we've had a half an hour, we can go into some things that I would like to just, you know, dialogue for. >> Is it on the agenda? >> Meaningless dialogue for the next half
hour. >> Meaningless dialogue is not on the agenda. >> No. Do we adjourn? Do we adjourn or we just recess till the after the >> Well, we can't really talk about anything because it's not on the agenda. That was the last thing. Correct. >> The adjourn part is that's my question.
>> What do you have? >> You said you question about adjournment. What is the actual definition of >> what does adjurnment mean? >> It's over. >> Does it does can you can you meet afterwards when we go up and have lunch? Can we are we should be in recess till we >> It's not >> No, cuz it's not a close session. It's
just similar to us having um >> but it's is it so we can attend that without being adjourned? >> Yep. Correct. >> So, we're going to go in >> We're having a work. We're going to eat food. >> Meeting is adjourned. Um, I I was going to acknowledge uh but
Sheriff Glander left.