Mayor Jacobs, >> I'm here. >> Mr. Walter, >> here. >> Miss Orabana >> here. >> Mr. Leonard, >> here. >> Mr. Redilius >> here. >> Mr. Gini >> here. >> Mr. Wild >> here. >> Chairwoman Gacha, I'm here. Adequate notice of this meeting of the Bedminster
Township Land News Board was filed with the township clerk, sent to the Burnersville News and the Courier News and to all subscribers and posted at the Township Municipal Building, One Miller Lane, Bedminster, New Jersey on January 9th, 2026.
>> Please stand for the flag to the flag of the United States of America and to the for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I'll open it up to the public if you
have anything that you would like to discuss or comments. Now's the time. This is anything that's not on the agenda. >> How about online Janine? Anybody? >> We do have some people online. So, if you have something to discuss that's not
on the agenda, can raise your hand or unmute yourself and then you can make your your comment. No one is raising their hand or unmuting themselves. So, online it doesn't look like we have any public comment that is not to do with the agenda. Okay. So,
we'll close it to the public at this time. Uh we have minutes that we need to approve from February 5th. You have >> make a motion to approve the minutes. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I Brian and Lou both We also have a resolution that we need to approve. Resolution 20265. >> I'll make a motion to approve that resolution. >> Second.
>> Roll call. >> Mary Jacobs. >> Hi. >> Mr. Walter. >> Hi. >> Mr. Orbana. >> Hi. >> Mr. Leonard. >> Hi, >> Mr. Roius. >> Hi, >> Mr. Djini. >> Hi, >> Mr. Mr. Wild. I don't believe you were here for that one. Correct. And
Chairwoman got >> I have nothing for uh completeness up to date. Okay, we can u start our hearing
service. Good evening. Thank you for your time tonight. Uh again, my name is Christopher Quinn QN attorney here on behalf of the applicant George Walkerfield Inc. which does visit the Somerset Air Services. Uh property in question. It's a Somerset airport 150
airport road, lot 61, lot six. It's in the R10 zone. Obviously, it's existing airport school administrative offices here. Um the project we're seeking approval tonight is for phased project improvements to address current modernization needs for the airport. Uh
we're not proposing any changes. Just want to know that we're not proposing any changes to the runway itself. It's just uh three phases involve improved indoor hanger spaces for planes. Uh currently there's several old hangers as well as number of outdoor tie- down spaces. Um but with the cost and
sophistication of current planes uh demands really this type of indoor uh hacker facility. Um for the fourth phase involves a new uh 12,000 foot building on the north side of the runways which would be offices, administrative uh
operations, the flight school, maintenance areas. Uh again, the current space is used by the airport. It's inadequate. It's been the same, hasn't changed in decades, and this space will be utilized to effectively bring this up to date. Um the airport use is uh permitted, meets all the conditions. Um,
this application is seeking preliminary final major site plan approval, but we do have one bulk variance with respect to lot coverage. Uh, 10% is permitted. We're proposing 10.62%. Uh, again, it's a function of needing the uh with the runway and its location
and not really being able to build close to the runway requires us further out. So, um, effectively that that's uh the basis for the lock coverage variance. We also have design waiverss uh with respect to shade
trees and curbing as well. Um now I have three witnesses here tonight to testify. Uh I guess what our plan is going to be is to have uh our civil engineer Ron Kennedy um come up and give an introduction. He's going to just kind of give a background of the project and go
through quickly what what's actually being proposed. Then I'll have the applicants representative Steve Parker testifies to the operations and the driving force pilots project. Uh then we'll have their aviation engineer Richard Holes testify about the buildings that's being proposed as well
as how the site meets all FAA requirements. Um and then finally uh once once he's so we'll have Mr. Kennedy testify to the rest of the more detailed engine. But I just wanted to give him time up front so that he can explain for the board and for the public to understand kind of the scope of the
project so they have kind of a a bearing when you hear the rest of the application. Um if there's no other questions we can proceed. >> Okay. Just so you know, we won't take any new testimony after 10 o'clock. Um, so it will finish
>> hopefully. >> Tom is on. >> Okay, >> this is uh Tom. Now, let's swear in all three witnesses. I'm sorry, Chris, but um just in case anybody has to pipe in out of order. So >> sure.
>> All three witnesses, please stand, raise your right hands. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? So help you God. And please state your names, spell your last names, and give us an address.
>> Kennedy, K E N E Y, 265 Main Street in New Jersey. Steven Parker, A R K E R 130 Airport Road. Richard Walls H O L E S
5147 Arona I R V O N A Road Kwinsville, Pennsylvania cur we ns v I l e >> thank you gentlemen and the board
recognized and accepts the Ron Kennedy's qualifications as a professional engineer and professional planner. So please go ahead. >> Thanks Mr. Kennedy. You heard my introduction. Uh what I asked you to do is just go through the board, give them
a background and bearing of the the uh property, the existing airport operations as well as uh what's being proposed right now. >> Okay. Um Janine, access to exhibits. Um Mr. Collins, I have a series of
exhibits. I'll introduce each one at the time. Is that okay? >> That's fine. That's fine. >> Yep. You should be able to log on. >> I'm logged on. I just have to share. So just make sure Y there you go.
>> Okay. >> All right. Good evening. Um the part of my presentation tonight is to focus on what the improvements are, describe the existing conditions of the property, and really just give I'll say an overview of
all the improvements that are being proposed. So bear with me, but I'll go through that and logically go through the things that you typically would want to understand properly. The first exhibit I have up is a neighborhood aerial exhibit with today's date. It's
essentially a Google map image um outlining various features of the surrounding community >> and in the simple form for giving the reference north is directly up on this exhibit. Burnt Mills Road in Bedminster is left to right at the top of the
sheet. Airport Road is up and down on the right side. The north branch of the R River I'm pointing to now is on the left side of the property or the west side of the property with Burnt Mills Road in Branch Township on the left side of this exhibit. And the other prominent
feature on the right lower side to basically the right top is Meadow Road in Bridgewater Township. I've outlined in the orange color the boundary between Bridgewater, Branchburg and Bedminster
Township and generally follows the river of the north branch of the Rar River. The site itself is highlighted in yellow with access and frontage on Airport Road. Uh the adjoining uses are along airport
road to the east side are residential properties in the 1 to 3 acre uh range of density. Uh to the lower right is in Bridgewater Township in the R40 zone which is generally a 40,000 square foot property zones that were developed in
the uh 70s and 80s. Uh to the south of the site is an open space property that Somerset County owns that they purchased. To the north of the site are larger uh estate lots that are generally farming or forested areas.
And then in Branchburg Township between the town line and Burnt Mills Road and Branchburg are a couple of larger estates that have farmland preservation on them. The
overall site itself, we said block 61, lot 6. It's 200 on 464 acres and it's known as George Walker Phil doing business as air service.
I go to the next exhibit. I'm zooming in. So, this is just an aerial exhibit and it is an that's just tighter uh to the site. the same orientation. Airport roads on the right uh on this screen and
east and on the left towards the north branch of the Rack River is uh in orange that's highlighted as the town. >> I'll have Mark does a Ron I think you got to slow a little bit because you're there's a lag I think between your screen and what we're seeing up there.
>> Okay. >> I blow it up any bigger. I got as big as I can here. I'll I'll blow it up when we get to >> No, but the presentation. Yeah, when I'm in presentation mode, I try to So, this exhibit itself, same area, it's highlighted in yellow. I do have the
environmental constraints, but I want to zoom in tighter to the next exhibit before I talk about the environmental constraints. The purpose of this exhibit is to show all 200 acres. And generally on half the lot on the right side is what is the airport, okay? and the
functions of the airport itself as far as runways, whether they're turf or asphalt, the the um the buildings themselves that are the hangers or the maintenance or the office, but essentially half of it or the left side to the west is all along the north
branch of the Rot River flood plane wetlands generally wooded. That's all there. So, the point of this exhibit is really just showing it's it's half and half. half is um the the the a developed portion where the improvements are historic improvements to the property
and then on the left side is generally flood planes and wetlands that are associated with the north branch of the Ren River. The next exhibit is the environmental constraints. Again, same image. Now, I'm
zooming in a little tighter to the east side of the property where the improvements are. And it's showing a couple things that I want to highlight to highlight on on this. The property was developed as the airport in the 40s.
It opened in 1936. Uh it has currently 19 total buildings. 19 total buildings. The existing floor area of all those buildings is 122,679 square foot.
The existing buildings are comprised of hangers. Okay. Mechanical space, a medevac hanger, and an office. And I'm >> sorry. Can we just mark this as A3 for the record? And this is just a rendering of the site. What was that square footage again?
Sorry, >> I can repeat that. Okay. 122,679 square feet. It's the gross floor area of the existing conditions. The main office itself, which is only
2913 square foot. So 2,913 square foot. that was built in the original airport 1946 in that World War II era. And it has the administrative offices, it has the pilots lounge, the flight school, the
passenger waiting area, the radio equipment room, the airport restrooms, and the employee locker rooms in a very compliant space, anyone that's been out there, but it's a small space that has a lot of different uses that are there. The mechanical hanger, and I'll go through the details of that, is another
space that's there where the maintenance occurs. Uh the medevac hanger exists building C and we'll talk that when I go through more detail. Uh and generally the rest of the buildings on that property is hanger space. So it's generally unheated space
that's hangers and there's a couple of different sizes and models and different shapes of these hanger spaces that are there. I will go through the details of that when I get a little further into my discussion. There's three runways on this property. The principal one which is an asphalt
surface that runs northwest to southeast um is called runway 12-30 and that's just the orientation of compass that is 65t wide and 2738 ft long 2732
long right and in this exhibit if we'll point to it right now generally from again the northwest on this exhibit to the southeast, left to right. The next runway is a turf runway that's 1735
and that runs north and south and that runway itself is 60 foot wide and 1697 ft long. 1697. And the last runway, runway 8-26, is again a turf surface. The exhibit
shows it in in green and that runs northeast southwest. That's 100 foot wide and 1672 foot long. As you heard from Mr. Quinn, this application proposes no changes to any of the runways or approaches to any of the
runways. No changes to those in this application. Uh access to the site is limited to airport road on the eastern property that has the access uh to the site. Um the office is in the center of the site
in the V that's created by the two front legs. Currently the office one of the hangers that has the um state police medevac in it and hanger D which is maintenance is heated space. The
other spaces are not and this becomes important with your definition that have the floor area. Okay. So again the other space is not needed. The only space is uh what we call building A office, building C which is the medevac um space
um helicopter space and building D or heated spaces. Currently the approximate number of planes that can be stored within the hangers is 80 planes and the one helicopter. Sometimes that could change with the
size of the planes, but that's what's really designed right now. 80 planes and one for the helicopter. There are also plane tie downs on the exterior of the site that have tie downs for the planes.
You see, they're stored outside uh and they're spread throughout different areas of the site itself. There's circulation around each hanger for both vehicles, cars, trucks, as well as airplanes that are tied to the taxi.
Currently, the um parking for the site around the office, and I'm going to blow this up if it works well. Um the office area which is marked A, building A, that has 34 parking spaces
that are associated with that. Next to building D on the west side of building D, there's 16 parking spaces that are there. Within each hanger, there's generally a parking space within the hanger. pilots, if they use a plane and
take off, they'll generally put a lot of times their vehicle, if it's their own hanger in the park inside that hanger as they go out and use their planes. And then from an old approval, there is an
area found 11 banked parking spots that are grass right now that are shown along the driveway uh just to the north of building A. A number of years ago, this board approved some fuel tank storage that's
above ground, right? And it is just to the west of building A. You can see on my pointer shows up. Yeah, there it is. It's showing there. That's fuel tank. It's above ground fuel tank storage that was approved by this board that was installed, I'd say, within the last 10
years. The existing lot coverage on the site is 9.26 26 acres 9.26 acres is the existing lot coach >> 9.62% >> no sorry 9.26%
9.26% 26%. I It's actually 18.56 acres. Um, what I also want to go over is just I'm going to start with this exhibit and go back to exhibit two is the
environmental constraints on the property. As I generally said, the left side or west side on the exhibits, that's generally flood planes, wetlands, and other elements that are environmentally constricted restricted on the property. A freshwater wetlands
um letter of interpretation was done by D and approved back in 2021 that's still valid today. And you will see not only the wetlands but the transition areas associated with those that are shown in the blue color. There is also a wetland
that is up along the frontage in a wooded area along airport road that you can see on the right side of this exhibit. um that has not only the wetlands but a transition associated with that. I'm going to refer back to exhibit two
and just show the limits of some of the flood conditions that are on this property. The first thing is in a previous application there was a >> Can you make that a little bigger? >> Yeah. better. >> All right. So, the the first element in
a previous application, there was a conservation easement uh associated with the stream corridor that was 14.557 acres that was granted to Bedminster Township in a previous application. So, that's directly adjacent to the river frontage. We also have in this, it
probably shows up on the screen, a darker pink line where my pointer is now. That is the flood way line, right? And then there's two other lighter uh pink lines that are both the 100-year flood line and the flood hazard
area limit line. They're all shown on screen. Again, we're not proposing any development in it, but I just wanted for reference that a significant portion of the west side of the property is in various forms of flood restrictions.
The next exhibit is a new exhibit and I'll just entitle that site plan rendering with today's date on the A4. A4 and as stated same orientation north directly up right sides the airport road
you see the driveway that comes in the main driveway that comes in the office area A is in the center of the site where the two intersecting runways occur and what we're requesting is approval
for additional buildings on the site no changes to the runways. Existing driveway access would remain the same. And I have it in four separate zones or areas on the property because this could be phased and I'll talk about phasing later that each area is distinct and we
try to make them um stand alone in the improvements that are required for each area. So if I go to the north area um which is proposed building T as in Tom um the proposal here is for moving the
office the maintenance and hanger to the north side of the grass runway. It would be a total of 4,000 foot for the office space, 8,000 square foot for the hanger space for a total of 12,000 square foot.
Because it's on the other side of the north side of the turf runway, the access for vehicular access would have to be on the east side of the runway. So my pointer is all the way towards Airport Road and it would have to come
up along parallel to the turf runway and come into a proposed parking lot that I'm going to blow up a little tighter and that would be a parking area for 19 cars that would be in that area.
circulation around the building. And that lighter area would be more of the airport side for the air vehicles, whether it's an airplane or a helicopter in that area
and it would have a taxi way that would go out to the taxi, right? So that mayor, we would also have a fence that would section off what is in the gray parking areas for general circulation
from the airport side of things. That would be a fence between that. So no one could drive out to there' be gates there, but basically no one could drive out to that lighter tanny area where a plane could be. No one could drive out there.
Um, so, uh, the gate, obviously, if someone needed to get through that from an operation standpoint, but a gate would be there. So, to the left of this exhibit is the taxi way, airport side. The tan area to the south of the actual
building T would be the area that's the layown area for the airport side for plane. And then the gray would be more vehicular access and vehicular parking with the driveway going all the way out again to
the main driveway and ultimately to Airport Road. We chose not to bring the driveway out to Airport Road and not have another curve cut to Airport Road. a choice we had and we were able to meet the standards by putting that perpendicular to the um end of the
runway outside the runway from I'm assuming from the FAA regulations. Okay, the center piece a little easier. That's an existing area where we call building U, proposed building U. That's an existing paved area today. You can
see under this exhibit there's tie downs that airplanes exist. Now that's just a Google image that was taken at a certain time. But the notion here is that there would be a three bay hanger that would be um constructed 62 by 182,
three separate bays. Uh no new impervious coverage for that area. And the size of that hanger is 11,532 square foot. adding slide gates to the main driveway
that is just to the east of the hanger and another slide gate fence that is to the um west and south of the hanger. So separating out vehicle traffic from the air side and the only ones that would be
allowed to travel through there would be people that would be going to the actual uh uh uh hanger itself. If the owner of a plane that has a vehicle in the hanger, they would be able to drive through that and go to the hanger. The next phase is on the east side of
the site. In this case, underneath this exhibit, you're going to see approximately seven hang not approximately seven hangers that are there. They are the original hangers that were built back in the 40s and 50s for the session.
small, outdated, not great shape. They're occupied, but they're not in great shape. They would be removed. So, seven of those hangers would be removed, and they'd be replaced by two new buildings. Um, that would house uh two
different types of size planes. In building V, it would be T- hangers. It's called Tangers, which has axis from both sides. And each bay is shaped like a T that is alternating back and forth with
each other. When the airport consultant comes up, they'll be able to describe that in detail. But from a site standpoint, essentially you can have a plane on each side that comes into their bay. Okay. So each bay there would be one, two, three, four, five, six bays on
one side and there would be five bays on the other side. >> So just kidding. Which ones are going to be removed? uh these these buildings along here on our existing conditions map. I can go back to just go back to one >> right here. So if I go back to a our
existing conditions map which is okay exhibit three these hangers here Tim. >> Oh gotch. >> Okay. See J K L M N O P. Yep. >> Okay. They're all >> historic. They're old. You know they taken there from the beginning that they
be and then replaced with more modern either combination of she hanger which is the one building and then the next building itself. >> Gotcha. Gotcha. JK. Okay. Thank you. >> This V and W. So you the silhouette of some of those buildings you can see underneath this exhibit. >> Gotcha. Thank you.
>> And then V is these T hangers. Okay. That building itself is 50 foot wide by 231t long. 12,12 square feet. And then there would be another hanger W that would be just four
units themselves, four hanger bays themselves, not T hangers. They'd be full depth. They would be 52 by 225 for 11,648 square foot. And then the last area, the fourth area,
and I'll zoom out for a second just so we get our orientation correctly, is all the way at the bottom of the sheet or the south part of the property. And that is the southside. And that phase would include removing a
hanger that exists just below this building X, if you can see that. and it would be replacing it with a 2 bay hanger. That would be 62 by 112 for 6,944
square foot. And then it would be a three- bay hanger on the west side of the south, 62x 168, and that's 10,416 square ft. Again, all these numbers I'm
talking about are all honor plans. on these plans that are consistent with what I've been testifying to. So if we look at all the phases of the pro project itself, if we look at all four phases of this, we're essentially
moving eight hanger spaces in eight buildings. Okay, seven on the east side, the small ones I showed, and then the one on the south side. So a total of eight hangers that are eight buildings would be removed. The new buildings that
are shown in the brown area would accommodate up to 22 vehicle planes in six new buildings. When we look at the overall site, the proposed airplanes that could be stored
in the hangers is approximately 94 planes plus the helicopter and then the existing is eight. We're going from 80 to 94. The other aspect is there's tie downs that are there on the property and we'd
be reducing the number of tie downs that would be around the property. That's very flexible. I think the owner will be talking about tie downs more detail than I can because that is a fluid of where tie downs are, but we be reducing tie downs where we're physically putting
buildings up that currently has tie down. So we' be reducing some of those overall site there's existing 19 buildings. The proposed would have 17 buildings more square footage but less buildings.
All right. Total building coverage that we're removing is 9,178. Total new building coverage, the new buildings themselves is 64,52. So the new coverage, the net of the new coverage is 55,374.
Those are just all the different square footages. When we look at net habitable floor area for your definition that would include the buildings that are the heated spaces not the unheated spaces the existing is 23,918
square foot for approximately 27 percentage of an F27%. The proposed would be 35,918 which is 41% from an F standoint.
The total lot coverage of all phases now on the properties proposed would be 927,655 which is 10.62 acres 10.62. Obviously your ordinance is 10%. >> You Ron you said acres again. You meant
percentage right? >> Percentage. I'm sorry Tom. Yes, you're right. Thank you. 10.62%. As far as parking, we're not removing any parking that's there as far as the parking for spaces. So, it's still around area A, the 34 spaces around area
D, uh, building D, the 16 spaces. The new area T, which is the north side, the T hanger, the maintenance and office, that would have a total of 19 spaces. So the total surface space count would go up to 69 spaces plus again the notion
that one space per um hanger itself that could be up to another 95 spaces and then we have the bank parking at 11 doing the calculations in your ordinance for required parking. There's two
criteria that seem to apply to this that's consistent with what previous applications have been done on this property is the office space of one space for every 200 square foot of net hable floor area. So that's 694
square foot would require 31 spaces and then from the airport side it's one space for every five based aircraft. So we're saying be total of 95 spaces or 95 aircraft plus right now when we reduce
these 10 tie downs for a total required of 21 spaces for the air side. So that's a total of 52 when we had the office and we had the air side. So again, 52 would be required per your ordinance what's
there today plus what we have um the new we have a total of 69 spaces plus the hanger spaces. So again you'll hear more from an operation standpoint that's more than adequate but we do meet the
criteria in your ordinance for parking. Ron, did you just mention that um there was reduction of 10 tie downs associated with this project? >> No, it's actually again I think the other witness will talk about the tie downs, but right now in the area that we
looked at there was 24 tie downs, right? When we're done, it's 10 tie downs. We're actually removing 14 tie downs. Okay, but I'm going to say that's fluid. More tieowns could be added. If you look at even x number of years ago when they had the glider operation, there was tie
downs in all different locations on there. So I I I I don't know the history of the tie downs. Certainly the operator does, but there's definitely some fluid aspects of tie down spaces on this property.
>> Excuse me, Ron. You said the proposed the proposed changes was for 94 planes. >> That's the total >> the total 94 planes. Does that include all tie downs locations and all hangers or does that allow for some expansion or
or anything that can change? >> So the 94 is the total inside the building. Okay. That would be total inside a hanger space. >> Okay. >> Okay. And again, some of these hangers are large open spaces that have four or five planes in them that we've accounted
for on some of the larger buildings. Obviously, if you know there's there's limits of what size planes on this property. Um, but there are different configurations of number of planes that could be in some of these spaces. Not a lot, but
there is some minor deviation from those things. You're not doubling it, but there is some deviation that could occur in that. But right now, it's the 94 plus whatever the tie down number is. Again, we're using a number of 10 tie down spaces that remain from what we sent
because the other ones, the 14, we're simply putting buildings over the top of tie downs that are there now. >> Going back to the original number, you you said something about 80 planes right now. >> That's existing today. >> Existing. Correct. And that includes all the tie downs there.
>> No, just in the buildings. >> Just in the buildings 80 to 94 in buildings >> in buildings. Okay. And then I'm going to say is 24 tie downs that we show that were there that we have now. Okay. Minus
the removal of 14 down to 10. Okay. Based on the fact that we're tied down or today we're putting buildings on top. >> Okay. But those those are pretty, you know, straightforward numbers that we've calculated that we have. Now we're not
proposing any expansion of any of the buildings. But again, tie downs I got at the operator that >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Some of the other things that are I'll say I just going to quickly these are details that we will be back
to tend more time with. There's review letters that we have to comply with and things, but I just want to high level. Um there's an existing well on the site between buildings B and C that's remaining. It's likely that we'll do another well over where the uh the new maintenance facility is on the north
side. We've already gotten that approved by the board of health, but we have to put that in obviously, but over on near hanger T that we would do potentially another well that could be there. And primarily it just we couldn't run a line across the glider. We'd have to go all the way around. By the time you do that,
it's probably worth putting in that area. Sanitary sewer on this property. Um we are um adding the office space that has a float requirement for the sanitary sewer. Um that was already in
um an expansion number that was in the old approval and the last set of approvals with the board of health when the system rebuilt probably about 10 or 15 years ago. Um we have um we're less
than what that expansion was with this additional square footage for the office. Uh it basically requires us to put some additional septic tanks in and a pump but the field does not need to be extended. We did the design the testing and we've
gone through the board of health and have the board of health. So the field itself is actually adjacent to hanger T. So in this exhibit is to just to the west of hangar t uh and um the field
doesn't change. We just have to put a can of septic tank and a pump to pump it into that field with that excess capacity that was built into the original design. >> Ron, just to be clear, that's the existing septic system. And so that
field to the west of T is servicing the existing bathrooms >> in the office and in in the the maintenance facility. >> Yeah. Believe it or not, it gets pulled away from there. >> We we we didn't again I didn't do the
testing. Someone else did. I'm assuming it's Bminister soils. So on this stuff it's sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. And I I don't know where they tested, how many different areas they tested, but that's where they they ended up with.
>> All right. Um, you know, any new electric is going to be all underground. The only would be above ground. I know it was a comment, Mr. Far's letter would be transformers, but all the new service, nothing overhead. Um, obviously that's a conflict with the airport operations. Anyway, um storm water management there'll be extensive storm
water management that required under the regulations per your regulations on attenuation on water quality on recharge soil testing's been done. Uh a letter has been issued a fair amount of comments that we have to go through on this. Um there is a lot
of land area for here that have detention that that is going to be required. We we'll make it work, but the devil's in the details and we will be working with Mr. Fara's office going through all the details of storm water management. Um, I think I'm going to
stop right there on on what I'm talking about now. Come back, we can talk about some landscaping and talk about lighting. What what I do want to do though is I want to touch on one thing. I want to go through the variances because I think that would be important for sure when you get other questions in the basis of this things. So, just from
a zoning standpoint, we know we're in the R10 zone, obviously. Um, we know that a um the airport is a permitted use with conditions that are in the zone. Uh, going back to 136013, those conditions include two, the length
of the runway shall not exceed 3,000 ft, okay? At any of the runways, and we're not changing them. The longest runway is 2737 ft. And we're not changing any of the runway. So we comply with that. The second one is essentially it can only be
on lot 61 lot six. Okay. It can't acquire other properties. You can't do other things on top of that according to your ordinance. And obviously we conform. We're on the same lot. We're not. So those are the two criteria associated with the conditional use
standards in the zone. We meet those conditions. But what we don't meet are a couple things. The first one is the lot coverage itself where 10%'s required 9.26% is existing 10.62%
is proposed the change is 1.36%. Right? Those are the numbers that we've calculated. There's some other pre-existing non-performing some sideyard setbacks for building SNR which is on the south side. 100 foot required.
They're pre-existing. They're they're they're less than that. Um there was lot widths that we showed on our plan candle we conform. It was something that we calculated incorrectly but 1500 foot is required where 1601 is the lot frontage
16006 is the width it could form. Okay. It was just a calculation that wasn't done correctly. We do not need anything for pre-existing nonforming. There's another automated surface observing system. It's an accessory structure and
that is located again by building R on the south side of the property and it's only 12.9 ft from the property. I think it's a fence and some type of weather system that's there that has some equipment around it, but that that exists and we're not changing anything.
There's distances between building requirements. You have a 30 foot requirement um between two of those old buildings that are only 3.27 pre-existing, but we're removing. So, we're removing that. relap that was there and then between D& buildings that
exist today it's 29.35 and again 30 required pre-existing we're not changing design waiverss first one is paving and curbing for non-residential uses which required for
13508.3 um we are not proposing any with a low volume of turnover that occurs on the property there's no curving on this property now and we're not proposing any curving associated with the new improvements both the driveway that goes
out to the north side as well as the area around the parking spaces. We're not proposing any curve on our plans. We calculated the resource conservation calculations and that is a series of calculations associated with
environmental constraints and different values associated with each constraint and in a non-residential it comes up with a maximum non-residential area based on the property. So when we do that it comes up with 96,73
square foot. Right? And on the plans we showed that meaning relief at a design waiver but actually that is based on your net habitable floor area not your gross flare. So if I put the net habitable floor area which today is only
23,918 it complies with the proposed with all the improvements is 35,908 and that still conforms. So we do not need that design waiver for the resource conservation calculations. it will conform based on that.
And the last two items are one in in your shade tree ordinance, your shade tree ordinance. Under this, it would require eight trees per acre. I'm assuming on the disturbed area, not the whole property. Um, and again, we're not
proposing to plant additional trees other than the forestry management plan that exists throughout the whole property. basically due to the the the airport operation and trees not being friendly to the airport operation. Um there are substantial amount of woods
and woodlands on this property. There's a forestry management plan that I'll go into more detail about and we're just proposing to continue that forestry management on the property replanting. Uh but it wouldn't be specifically like we would do in a more commercial operation in a parking lot or something
else that we would plant trees. And the last one is not in your zoning ordinance, but it's in um the uh lot development ordinance 126B on tree removal. Uh we're removing 151 trees on the north side. There's a replacement program. Again, our replacement will be
in the park management plan that you know embedded in that that will be a series of replacements on a continuing basis as opposed to replacing by the time we get a CO or something in that nature. But we can talk in detail of that. the other aspects of the zoning we do conform. So I just wanted to give the
flavor of that when you hear other witnesses that's the relief we're actually seeking. So it's really one variance for the lot coverage and then we have a series of design waiverss for the parking and for the trees right the
other ones we don't >> I have a question Ron just for clarification all of your lot coverage and F includes the entire property including the wetlands >> it does >> okay so then when you look at where the development prop development of the
property is about approximately half of of the entire lot lot is is that correct? So one area is more or less dense with with development and the other area is completely empty in a sense. >> Yeah. And again the equalization that you have your ordinance that that
resource calculations so we comply with that. So you've taken that into account and you know like a lot of things you preserve one side and you do more intense on the other side. Even if I was doing a single family lot you want to put it in one area as opposed to spread it out over the whole site. that same philosophical but yes we have it on that
first exhibit I showed majority of the developments on the right side are half and the other side it's wooded >> but all the calculations include the entire >> it does it absolutely >> and so for 200 acres those calculations I was talking about a little%
>> I don't think we've asked for suggesting we do right conservation movement, but we know that the way this property has been used and managed, those lands in the flood plane are well matched. They're part of the natural ecosystem protection that we don't have enough of
in some areas we have plenty of part. >> So that that's my direct for this component. I will come back at some point in future. Anyone on the board have any questions for Ron at this point? >> Real quick, with the trees in section T,
there will be cut down, but you have a plan to replace them as time goes on. >> Well, Tim, it's it the plan is the forestry management plan. Okay. >> So, as they do harvesting and replanting, okay, >> they're in a constant mode of keeping
the forested area on that property healthy. >> Okay. Gotcha. Existing plan. And it's not a one for one or something on a forest street management. But the point is >> we really can't plant >> in the traditional parking lot along the front edge and those other areas that
are airport related. Okay. And and the the fact is there's a substantial amount of that property that is wooded. Whether it's in the wetlands or it's in the upland area, there's a substantial part of that property that's wooded. The the the notion here is there's a continuing
replanting of that area that is similar to what you're trying to accomplish with your replanting. >> Are these trees creating a buffer now for neighbors or anything like that or or not? >> It's it's there already. The buffers, you know, we're not we're not creating a new one. I mean,
>> we're not taking anything away as you're not taking anything away in regard to buffer. Um well again on the north side that that is an area that still has more than 100 foot of wooded area to >> all the way okay >> that property but we are taking some the
only area that we're taking any trees down is in this area the north side of the property. Okay. >> Okay. within the setbacks obviously but that's the only area that we're actually >> any other board member have any questions for Ron
>> okay we'll open it up to the public this is for questions for this applicant only you'll have an opportunity at the end of the application to ask any other questions or comments >> so there is a mic on the podium if you
would use that. >> Good evening. Can you hear me? >> Yes. >> My name is Jay Bone. I'm an attorney with the law firm of Schiller Pit and Galvin, PC. We represent neighboring property owner Steve Forbes. Um,
there were four resolutions prior actions submitted with the application. >> I'll say generally I didn't study those because I didn't have the detailed claims for each of those. So, I've read
that, but I I can't put all the pieces together without the plan. >> Are you aware of any other approvals related to this property? >> I don't know whether the
resolutions. So there may have been stuff back in the the 90s. You um testified that there are a number of pre-existing conditions. Now by pre-existing you mean pre-existing to
current application. >> That's correct. >> Do you know when or if those features were the subject of a prior order? Do you know if they ever complied with the zoning ordinance?
>> The resource conservation are they reflected on your section somewhere? >> Yeah, I I can look up the sheet number, but they're >> I think it's Well, I'll look it up in a second, but I think it's on the first
on the cover of the plan you call out a couple variant and you have a separate section with other pre-existing conditions. Is there a reason why you separated conditions?
>> No. No. And again, some of those literally went away when we checked some of those calculations. Now, you testified that the resource calculations you you you said a waiver, but you've now decided it's not a waiver because it
only applies to habitable area, not correct. >> Did you consider deciding whether that was a waiver or not. that um section 13-41.1 part of the zoning ordinance
says that development will >> I don't know the specific section but I >> I looked at the actual environmental constraints section and in that environmental constraints
section it requires s the maximum build based on those various calculations that we did. And it talks about area ratio and that's what we base it on. Second second or last.
>> Anyone else from the public? >> I'm live. Jenny, >> anyone online? You can either unmute yourself or raise your hand. Either way. you will have to introduce yourself. >> Um, this is Bill Monday. I'm an attorney
and I represent the Harvey's, the owner of Two River Farms, uh, adjacent to this property on the west. Um, just a couple of questions and if I knew if I knew how to raise my hand, I would. So, but I
don't. Um, just a couple of questions. Um there was some reference to the to earlier site plans which were included in the application package. Um I I wanted to know whether
there is any anything in those site plans that are currently not built that the applicant thinks they still have a right to. It was a little hard to compare those plans to the existing
plans um without having a lot of workspace in large copies of both plans. I just thought I would ask to see whether there's anything in those prior site plans um that don't show up on this
plan as approved uh improvements. So, I'm gonna this is my knowledge, but I'm going to say the operator may know additional information than me. I don't know of it. I did not do any of the
previous applications. So, I don't have the history with that, but what I've read, what I've understood, I don't believe so, but I really want to defer that to the owner of the property. they may have additional insight or
information that I just don't have. >> I understand. I appreciate that. Other than the one thing that you did testify to, which was that there are certain banked parking uh spaces, which I assume by banked you mean they've been
approved. They just haven't been constructed. >> Correct. And two things that we found out, we found that a resolution and we found that on a drawing. So, we thought that obviously we should show that on this drawing as well. Okay. We don't
have a lot of insight into that other than what we read in the resolution. As I said, we didn't have the old planes. Um, but it showed and we just wanted to represent that was on those approvements. >> No, I I appreciate that. I just didn't
want to uh be seen as trying to um blindside you or something because you did testify to those and they are on this plan and and so I wanted to just be clear that that's not, you know, something that that isn't there that they that that the applicant thinks
they're entitled to. So, um that's fine. Um so, I didn't exactly follow your testimony with respect to um building T. Um I did in a lot of ways the lighter
area in the front of building T is I believe it's concrete. Is that correct? >> Well, that's proposed. Correct. >> So it's it's not intended to be built now. >> No, it is. It's it's it's just instead
of being asphalt, it's proposed to be concrete. >> Okay. Understood. And uh maybe this is a question better for the operations folks, but what is the purpose of that area? What's
what's going to happen there? I I that didn't exactly follow >> people, you know, that is better. Obviously, the the doors open up. They're hanger doors completely open on that side of the building. So, it's where to bring the plaint. But how it operates, I I I really would defer that
to the operation folks. So, so but building T doesn't have hanger space in it. Am am I wrong about that? >> It's it's a maintenance area that it opens up on the south side of that building
and a plane could be brought into the building. >> I I Okay. I I I I I I missed that in the in the proposal document that was but I see it that that it's there. Okay. Um
you mentioned helicopters in that area. Is that also maintenance related? >> Again it could be maintenance related because it's a maintenance facility. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So right now again it's an operation issue but I know if
maintenance was done the helicopter would be over there for that and I'm going to we're getting into operations. I I could get corrected by the owner but the the idea was it's maintenance for the facility for the property.
>> Thank you. I I I appreciate that. And then just a clarification on the um the the sanitary sewer. I think you said I just wanted to be clear that the there's no approval needed now because the size
of the system was sufficient to take on the additional effluent that's that's going to be generated from these the additional buildings. Is that correct? Well, a little I'll clarify that is there there's still approval that was
sought and received by the board of health. It just didn't need to expand the disposal field. Okay. So, >> additional flow. We have to still build a septic tank, a pump to pump up to it, but the field itself was sized
adequately for this additional I'm sorry I wasn't clear with my question, but that's that's uh that's now that's a great answer. Um I think that's it for right now. Uh thanks very much.
>> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Jenny. >> Sure. So if there's anyone else uh online again you can unmute yourself and introduce yourself or you can raise your hand. I don't see anyone with a hand raised
and no one has unmuted. >> Okay, we'll close it to the public for now and we'll have your next witness. Great. >> We'll have Mr. Parker. Check that on top. >> Well, good evening.
Thank you all for uh entertaining us tonight and our application. My name is Steve Parker. Uh, and I'm representing Somerset Air Service or George Walker Field. As Ron said, we started in 1946. My grandfather, my family, uh, built the
place 80 years ago this year. And, uh, over the years, um, just like any other business, we've evolved. We're a small airport. will probably always be a small airport. Um, and it's been probably almost 30 years
since we last came before you to expand hanger capability. Now, we've been before this board to take underground storage tanks and make them safer and put them above ground for fuel supply. We've uh replaced two dilapidated
hangers with hangers of the exact same size and uh and layout. Um, and we've cannibalized existing hanger space to build an office for the Northstar medevac. But in all those cases, we weren't expanding. Um, but
businesses have needs. And in the world of little airplanes and little airports, back in the day, in our grandfather, my grandfather's day, um, a little airplane, if you were a hobbyist and you bought a little airplane, there's probably a luxury that would cost you
about the same as a, uh, you know, maybe an exotic car, you know, if you had a, you know, a Stingray or or a Porsche or something like that, and you had that hobby and it would cost you about that same amount. and geez only about 40 or
50 years ago 6,000 20,000 $40,000 would buy you an airplane and and that was our clients those same airplanes today if you buy a Cessna or a Piper or some of the other ones I'm going to talk about here will cost you
about as much as another house that airplane that was $6,000 in 1975 that maybe was $40,000 in the 1990s now comes off the assembly line at 400600 $800,000.
So back in the day, tie downs, and you may have heard the term tie downs, people get an airplane and they would park it on their local airfield and they'd get ropes and they'd sink anchors into the ground and you'd tie it down for the time that you weren't using it. Maybe people would cover them over and
put little plugs to make sure that the critters didn't get in and that was fine. But times have changed. If you own a if you have a a $500 or an $800,000 investment, you don't want it sitting outside. And that's part of what our business
demand is. Um we get calls every week for uh hanger applications. This is my weight list. This is my waiting list to get in a hanger. Um, also those people that are making those large um, investments in those
airplanes, they want them to be maintained well. And we have a fantastic maintenance shop. Our grandfather, George Walker, that was his thing. He in World War II, he he taught mechanics at Casey Jones School of Aviation in Teterboro. He was too old for the war,
but he knew radial engines and he could teach radial engines. And he basically built the airport around our maintenance shop. And our maintenance shop is probably one of our primary functions. Our maintenance shop is great. We've got great professionals that do excellent work on airplanes and helicopters and
anything that flies. But right now, they're hemmed in and they can't keep up with working on airplanes inside of the existing hanger. They're now shipping off to other hangers or going down to where the the the customer is parked in
his own hanger to try to get work done. Um, our flight school, uh, you heard Ron talk about the building that goes back to World War II. It, that building originally came to us from Newark Airport. It was built by the war for the
war by the War Department. When the war was over, they were selling off surplus. And my grandfather bought a building and they put it on a flatbed and they put cinder blocks around it and they plpped it where existing office is. I think it was 78 or 79 that we renovated it and
took the Zbrick off the outside and made it the permanent building, but just like everything else, it's on the exact same footprint. No more square feet than was in 1946. I've got two classrooms that my instructors can sit down and brief or
debrief a student before or after they go fly. I've got nine airplanes that they can teach in. That math doesn't add up. guys are kicking me out of my office because hey, I need to debrief a student. So, I go out in the hall while they they use my office. So, we have a great need to just continue doing what
we're doing, but we need a little bit more space. We need office space for the flight school. We need more bays and room for test equipment and administrative uh services um for our maintenance shop. And that's the reason
for the construction uh on the north side. Um, also airplanes have changed a little bit over the years, not just by being more expensive. And probably the two models out there that are the most growing uh
manufacturers of airplanes. You might have heard of Cessnas or Pipers or Bonanzas or something Beachcraft like that. Maybe you haven't. But uh, Cirrus, that's the one with a parachute. Maybe you heard of. and Diamond, which is a Canadianbuilt uh airplane. They're very
popular these days. Um the wingspan on those hill those airplanes um is about 38 39 ft. Now, that might not seem terribly important, but um
but I have hangers that won't accommodate the width of those airplanes now. And that's the latest thing. And we also have customers on the field. We have at least three customers on the field that own more than one airplane. We have a club and they have two airplanes that they keep on the field.
So those owners would like to have te hangers at least adjacent to each other. Well, I can't do that unless the guy I can get a guy to move out of this hanger so I can put uh a customer's airplane adjacent to each other. So we
we've got plans for hangers. There are tea hangers that are just one bay, fit one airplane. And there are more rectangular hangers that you could put one airplane or two or three airplanes in. And part of that is to accommodate customers not only that have airplanes with a little bigger wingspan, but we do
have some customers, like I said, we have two or three right or three or four right now, um, that might have multiple airplanes within their own operation. So that's kind of the impetus behind why we want to do what we what we're doing. We're not going to teach flying any
different. We're not going to really fix airplanes any different than we did before. Uh the airplanes that come and go, runway's not changing. It's not going to be a different type of airplane that was here yesterday. We'll be here tomorrow when this is all done. Um,
but we just the demand is just terribly great and we want to meet the customers needs and just like every business in Bedminster, you know, the goal is to make sure that our businesses are doing as well as we can so that the businesses
can handle the, you know, part of the tax burden. >> Hey, that that's my line. >> But but my point is we're we're just like everybody else. We are trying to grow. We're trying to flourish and we are one of the better airport operations in the state and we want to keep it that
way. >> So let me just ask a couple follow questions. Sure. Um >> what was Mr. Kennedy describe different phases of this project? Mhm. >> So is there a timing aspect for this in terms of which phase which phase or when?
>> Well, that is dependent on upon financing and we do have financing for one phase and that is the one that's on the existing pavement and that is something that would can happen shortly after uh approval. The other ones
could take years to do. Um, and it basically depends on financing how we line that up. We get customers, but uh, it could be it could be done in all of it could be done in the next three or five years. It could be 10 or 15 years before all this is done. But
it's hard to go forward with a plan because the first thing they're going to ask you is, well, do you have approval to do that before I invest? So, that's why we're coming. >> Now, in terms of uh, we're looking to move the operations to the building to the north. What would be the current
plan for your current offices right now? Your existing >> It's very small, but it also is near the It's in the center of the airport near the parking lot and the fuel farm. Um, so it is likely the place. It'll still probably be um our terminal and reception area. Somebody flies in,
that's where they're going to go in to meet the reception desk. If they need to buy gas, that's where they're going to make the payment. But it's probably not, and there still may be some flight training go along in there, but it's It's going to be shrunk quite a bit. U
but I don't I don't see we don't anticipate at the moment that that's just necessarily going to go away. >> And the other building that the current maintenance operations are going occurring in right now. >> If we if we move to the north side then probably that maintenance operation move kitten kaboodleoodle all up to uh that
north side operation and then what's in that existing hanger would then just become storage. And there was a question before with respect to the concrete area to the south of the existing hanger. Can can you clarify that? >> I guess there was a uh for the north
building. >> Oh, you mean on the north side? >> Yes. The concrete air that's to the south of that which would be separate from the circulation for uh automobiles and parking. >> Well, as and it's be it's a it's a maintenance facility. So, you may have a couple airplanes in the bay. Well, if
you got a guy in the back and he's done and you've got to move another airplane in, you've got to have parking around there. Move a couple airplanes out, rearrange it, move a couple airplanes back in. So, it's it's a ramp area that just allows parking so we can move everybody around. Um,
>> is there some particular reason it's concrete as opposed to asphalt? >> Well, yes. Um, and recently we did a project where we repaved an area and we replaced black top with concrete. Some airplanes, some helicopters
have uh are really heavy and their wheels are really small. And if it's July or August and it's really really hot, then that really tiny wheel with a lot of footprint on it starts sinking into the pavement and destroys the pavement. Concrete doesn't do that. So,
um, yes, we'd like to make sure that we don't have a problem with that. It's impractical to concrete everything and it's not necessary everywhere, but in that case, it would be. >> Now, in terms of the additional uh indoor space being provided, that will
also provide additional security for the the planes. Correct. Compared to >> Well, that that's another thing. And uh people don't like to talk about this, but a big push in general aviation after 9/11 was the two lock policy. And the idea is every airplane has a little lock
on the door, but it'd be nicer if it was also locked behind a hanger. And so since 911, there's been a big push within the industry that the safest airplane is an airplane behind a locked door. >> I have a question. >> Sure. Could you give us a little history
or the importance of the presence of medivvac situation there with the helicopter? >> Well, 20 some odd years ago, we uh uh made arrangements to have the Northstar medevac. They came to us actually. Uh
originally the state police had all their helicopters down at the Trenton Mercer County Airport just uh on the Delaware River just west northwest of Trenton. Um the medevacs were run I don't know remember where Southstar was
but Northstar was on the roof of uh University Hospital in Newark. Most of the accidents that they were coming to 287 78 Route 80 they're right here. And so this is right around the turn of the century. They start saying boy it'd be
nice we could get better response time if we were close to where the accidents were. So they looked around and tried to figure out well where's the closest place we were it and we had the facilities for that and that was a that was a large application a long time ago
but they've been there ever since and uh they flourished. >> I I didn't see a helicopter pad here. I'm not familiar with it. Is there where does helicopter come and go from? Well, the Hill's uh home base. If you look, I don't know
what Ron's number is. Letter C, >> hang C. You see to the south of it is a lighter color. That's concrete. >> That's their That's where they roll the helicopter out. >> Okay. Thanks. >> And their office is in uh carved out of
an adjoining tank. >> Okay. Thank you. Now, do I understand correctly? The airport's limited to the type and the size of planes that land and take off. Is that right? >> The runway, >> okay, >> is your limiting factor. >> That's it.
>> So, if an airplane can take off or land on 2700 plus feet of runway, that's the limiting factor. Okay. >> Airplanes change from year to year. So, I can't give you exact models, yes and no. But most pilots know what's safe and
what's not safe. But the modifications you're doing here is not going to go >> there's no change to the dimension of any other >> any other board member. >> So I I just want to clarify. So using Ron's um labeling A is the office
D is the existing mechanics hanger >> half of it. Yes. >> Half of it. So essentially the A and D operations eventually move to building T. >> Yes. >> The new one. A >> or much of it >> much of it. A A remains some type of
office space. D does that get converted to a hanger or you said storage? >> That hanger D has three different uh segments to it. The south side, the bottom of your page is simply storage. There's airplanes in there that are
stored there right now. The north half or maybe about 40% is is our maintenance facility. And then there's a little sliver of about 1920 square feet that's carved out of the middle and that was taken out of the old hanger storage and that is the
medevac office. >> So if you knock on their door that's where they're sitting waiting for the next call. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> Any other board member? >> No. We'll open it up to the public. If you have a question, please come up
front. This is a question for um >> please use the microphone so that we can hear you. That's on the Thank you. >> Yeah. On the tape. Uhhuh. >> And state name. >> Name. >> Susette Dwey. >> And your address, please. >> 385 larger crossroad, administer, New
Jersey. That's not where I live, but that's the land I own. Um, one quick question. I Googled the length of the runway asking what kind of planes could land there and they
said there were small jets. So, I'm wondering when when you talk about planes, are you talking about planes? Are you ever going to have jets coming or do you already >> the the pilot that flies the airplane determines if the runway is safe? 2700T
runway. Um, there are turborop airplanes which burn jet fuel. They have propellers on the front. We have a couple based on the field right now. >> And they're just flying. Um, has there been uh a airplane without a propeller that's
landed in the past 20 years? I think I can count three times. One was a brand new Sirrusion jet. He came in in the middle of November with a half a tank of gas with the wind blowing really hard. used a lot of runway. I remember talking to him going, "Yeah, I don't think
that's gonna work." Um, so if somebody builds a really micro jet, maybe, but they're not going to be based here.
It's unlikely. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Next. My name's Ted Schiller. It's Schiller Pit. I'm here with Mr. Bowen. He's the boss.
>> Speak up, please. We've got Ted. We're here on behalf of the Forbes family. And Parker, want to tell you your passion for what you do is evident, and I I appreciate that. I really do. Um, couple of questions though. You indicated that this is really about growth. You got to keep up with the
growth and what the what the customers need in order to be satisfied. Correct. >> Yeah. Consistent with that, you know, when you have growth, you have more people coming in. You say you're pushed out of your office because you're growing. You want more business, more traffic.
>> What do you mean by traffic? >> Cars coming in and out. >> There'll be more airplanes based on field, but they, you know, it's like a marine. So, does everybody fly at the
exact same time? Not likely. Um, >> but your schools, your teaching, those kinds of things. That'll get a little more busy. Correct. You're building so that you can do >> that's entirely based on the number of airplanes we have in a flight school, not necessarily the square footage. And right now, we have nine airplanes in the
flight school. If we if we added five more airplanes to the flight school or we took some away, that would make the flight school more busy or less busy. Um, that's that's not my uh that's not my limiting factor right now. My limiting factor is I don't have a place
to break for deeper. >> I got it. Okay, I appreciate it. Um, but it could go up or down. Correct. >> But not necessarily based upon this application. >> Okay. But you wouldn't have to come back here to change that. If I bought three more airplanes for flights, well, the land
board has no authority over. >> That's my point. But it would be increasing traffic. It would be putting more people on this facility. Correct. >> Depends on what day they came in. >> Okay, I've got it. Um, so, uh,
Jay asked earlier, are you familiar with any other resolutions that have been granted by this board that we that weren't attached? The four that were attached. There's been a long history of resolutions and applications and I in reference to the question I asked
before, none come to mind, but I'm not going to say no because I really don't know. >> Mr. Forbes indicated that a plane recently crashed on his property. Is that accurate? >> Yes, a plane landed on his property. >> Landed? I'm sorry. Okay.
>> Yeah, I got I got I got it. >> I got it. Okay. >> All right. Um, are these hangers are there federal or local regulations? They all all the planes have batteries. They all have gas in them. Some of them might have jet fuel
fuel. Correct. So, these are all inside. These planes are inside these hangers. Correct. >> You mean every airplane on a field? >> No, no. The 80 the 94 that you're proposing will be inside. Correct. >> Well, we're requesting to build hangers.
So, the idea is that Yeah. put airplanes in. >> Understood. Are there any regulations regarding how many airplanes can be in each hanger? How much gas can be in the tanks? How much how the batteries have to be disconnected while they're inside for fire issues? >> No. >> None whatsoever.
>> No. You can fill the tanks. You put as many airplanes that will fit in the hanger and the batteries are usually connected just like your automobile and your garage. >> Got it. Okay. Um, have you considered the you're going from 80 to
94? Okay. And I I don't recall exactly the number of square footage that takes you to the 10.62%. But if you consider how much smaller you would make one of these hangers to be within the 10% and not be before this board,
>> well, probably the entertaining of getting below the the ratio would probably be where that facility is on the north side. And I could we could if we put it closer to the middle uh then that would that would
farm around us. So it this is the best fit based upon what uh the configuration >> but you could reduce one of the buildings such that the size would be such that you would not have to be asking for a variance. Correct. >> I suppose so that's about the growth
part of it. That's about the income part of it. That's a benefit to your business to put as many inside as you can. Correct. But you could comply with this ordinance. Right. >> I suppose if if the application changed. Of course, if the air was turned down wouldn't
>> No, I understood understood. Part of part of this is about fixing these buildings up. I appreciate that. That's great. But part of it is also increasing the number of claims you could put inside. I don't mean this the way it's going to sound, but more money in your pocket. >> I think there I'm with you 100%. under I
and I was just going to say and he would appreciate that kind of concept, but the fact of the matter is you're asking this board to do something and I'm not really sure what the basis what what what they would grant that when you could comply with this ordinance and still be in
business and still have more planes in hangers than you have now. >> Have more planes now. I could get to that number now by parking them outside. >> No. >> And I could have I could have just as I could have as many airplanes by parking them outside. But you're asking for a variance in terms of the right.
>> Okay. And my point is my point is you wouldn't have to do that if you cut down the size of one of these buildings. Right. >> Well, no. It's a it's a yes or a no. Thank you. Um that's it. Thank you. And by the way, I meant it. I appreciate your passion. I
really do. Anyone else from the public have any questions for this witness? >> If no one else does, I I have a couple. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. This is Bill Monday. Uh
again, I do have a couple of questions uh for Mr. Parker. I I'm in looking at the application, it seemed like the only thing that was happening was some of the airplanes that
are in tie- down positions outside of hangers were going to be relocated inside hangers. uh it now there was some testimony uh by uh your engineer and I think if I've
understood your testimony correctly um you're not suggesting that there will be no additional planes um just some are going to be inside and then as many as you can put outside will
be outside. Is there some limit on the amount of tie downs outside you can have andor this is a two-part question I guess um is there a limit as to how many um you you've indicated a number you in
the application have indicated a number of planes that could be uh that are going to have hanger space but I think that I heard that that number may not be static it may not be fixed uh uh you may
be able to move things around and have more planes than you're indicating you have hanger space for in the application. Is that correct? >> What Mr. Kennedy said was in some of the hangers, and I indicated this earlier, uh the T- hangers are going to fit one
airplane. The rectangular hangers, depending on the size of the airplane, you could have one airplane in there, you could have multiple. Uh there was a guy years ago had something called a pit. A pit special could fit in the space in between me and the guy here. A
tiny little airplane and you could put that in a regular size, you know, Ces 172 in that right now. We have a customer that has two airplanes in a little larger hanger now where the previous tenant only had one. So those
hangers are there for flexibility. Much like the club that we have on the field that has two airplanes, they might like to be under one roof. Or we might rent it out to somebody that has an they might only want to have their one airplane in there and it might be say
the size of a a Malibu, a Piper Malibu, which has little longer wings like that Cirrus. So it yes, there could be a lot of different iterations. And so Ron Dave number But I can't absolutely for sure say, you
know, if it's a bigger hanger and we can fit two airplanes in there and the customer wants it that we wouldn't do that. >> Can can you tell the board whether there is a limit uh to the number of planes that can go in the hangers and what that limit is?
>> No, because it depend it depends on what the uh the airplane is. I've seen airplanes that go into storage and the wings get folded up and it makes up for a very small spot and sometimes people will do that. So no, I can't give you an
exact number because it really depends. Um how how many if if this approval is is granted, how many planes can be fit can be fitted outside in in tie down situations
>> that is not addressed in this application. This application is for building hangers. It doesn't address tieowns and there's no request in here. >> Okay. So, I'm asking about tie-downs, uh, because I think it's I think it's relevant to this application. Um, so I'
I'd appreciate if you could answer the question. If you can't, I I guess I understand that, but I'm trying to trying to get a sense of the impact of the overall application
on airport operations, which is very relevant to the surrounding property owners. Well, I I will tell you that uh back years ago, um there were tie downs, and those tie-downs still exist.
Uh near the driveway on the south side, right near the driveway, there's a handful of tie downs there. And on the north side by the tree line, there's another half tie down there. Um I couldn't tell you where they are in the spring when we get the lawn mower out. I'm sure the guy riding the lawn mower
will hit a couple and he'll find where those anchors are. Um, we have uh some others that are behind the parking lot. You can see two on the on the uh the existing uh uh diagram that you have here. And there's
a couple tie downs next to them. We also have tie downs uh that are dormant right now on the south side of the airport. Um again, a metal detector and a and a little digging and we can find those anchors and we could reactivate them again today if we wanted to. But that's
not what this is about. And I'm not trying to build hangers uh or I'm not I don't think I'm going to be attracting a lot of people in tie-downs. I think I need to meet their need um with hangers. And if if it was about uh it was about
putting lots of people on tie downs, all my tie downs would likely be I' I'd be I'd be tying them down today. >> I I appreciate that. I'm just trying to understand um what was in the application and how this
uh this expansion improvement how whatever you word you want to use for it impact that because in the application it was indicated that there were 105 spaces in in total. um if I remember the
numbers right, it was 84 uh and 11 uh to get to 105. Um but if my ma my math could be wrong, but I think that I think I think that's what
the application indicated. And so your testimony now is well, it wasn't exactly 105. It was uh the 84 inside and whatever we could put outside, right? >> No, the application does isn't for
outdoor parking. So, you're trying to you're trying to give me give you a number for how many tied downs? And I'm going to say there is no number for tie downs. >> Okay. I was what I I wasn't trying to I'm not trying to trick you or anything. I'm just trying to understand what you
said in the application to what the operation >> and the hanger the hanger square footage is what's going to limit >> but but one thing I think the question might maybe this is a better way to phrase the question is to to kind of get to the information
the building that's being proposed in the center phase of the project >> currently in that location is tie down space for the planes correct >> so those tie down spaces by the nature of there being a hanger in its place will be eliminated from the current
configuration. >> Yes, >> that I think that's >> if that's your question. I apologize. I didn't think of >> the clarification I think you were looking for. >> Mhm. Yes. If that's the question, I I apologize. That's but that's Yes. Well, that that that was that was part of the
question, but but the ancillary uh or the follow-up question to that is you you really aren't limited you were you were not limited to um the 105
and you will not be limited to 105 in total. You're not just changing some of these um you're adding hanger space um that you think will um uh you know will will house a certain number of planes
but it might be more uh and there could be more uh tie down spaces outside. I I think >> I think that's your testimony. Is that correct? >> There's nowhere in the Bedminster code that has a limit to our capacity.
I I I wasn't asking about whether there was a limit in the code. I was just I'm trying to understand the operation. That's all. >> Right. No. And and what I'm saying is we're applying for x amount of floor space for hangers. That's our application is the floor space. And yes,
there's airplanes go in them. And of course, that's the real need for them. But if I had a if I had a space where two airplanes could go instead of one, and a customer wanted that, we'd put two. If the customer only wants one, we put one in there. It's
uh that's kind of what it is. Uh I I I understand what you're saying. Um uh so um to to to be clear uh in front of building T I I had asked a question about what was going to go on there and
I think you've answered that. I just want to ask a simple question. There will be no permanent storage of planes or helicopters or anything out there in that space. That's intended to be temporary uh while you're moving things
in and out uh for maintenance, etc. Is that correct? >> It's a it's a ramp. Um uh I don't envision any uh tie down rings going in there. So that would indicate a permanent place for someone to be parked.
>> But just like our main ramp, sometimes airplanes are parked there for a half hour. Sometimes they're parked there for a week. Sometimes they're parked there for a couple months. So that's kind of the nature of what that that parking that area is around there. But no, there's there's no plans to have uh
someone tied down permanently a fixed there on that ramp. That's generally to move airplanes in and out and around. But you're not ruling out them being there for some extended period of time, whether it's a day, a week, or a month.
>> Well, if you go to your local automobile repair shop, and I'm not suggesting that this see, but sometimes a couple extra cars get parked outside for a day until they get them inside. We trying and not not to be not to be combative,
but uh yes, I understand. I'm I'm asking a length question. Yes. Um, if if I was if I was looking at and reviewing a an application by my local car dealer, I would ask the same
question uh and have seen it asked in conjunction with car dealers and and uh repair shops and limits being imposed on those uh businesses so that there aren't
excessive numbers of cars parked outside waiting to be handled uh and therefore weeks or months. >> Well, I think it's I think it's an appropriate question. >> I think I think you can answer that by
looking at the the uh exhibit here because it's a typical day and you can probably look at several Google Earth typical examples of a God's eye view of Somerset Airport. And uh how how many airplanes do you see out on our general
ramp right now on this exhibit? And you can go to other exhibits and you can look in places. And I think that would give you a character as to airplanes that are just kind of sitting out on a ramp. But if you're asking me for a day or an amount of time, I I can't I I
really can't give you that. And I don't and I have no real interest in, you know, adding complexity to a limit so that if an airplane is parked there for five days and the limit is six, oh, we got to I mean, that seems kind of silly.
>> Uh, listen, I I understand your point. Uh, >> park someone on that ramp permanently, if that's what you're asking. No. Okay. Is there anyone else on line? Anybody else? >> Let me just double check. I mean, you
can raise your hand or again, you can just simply unmute yourself if you have a question that you would like to ask of Mr. Parker on his testimony. I do no see anyone with a raised hand and no one has unmuted themselves.
>> Okay, we'll close it to the public. >> Again, I just want to reiterate have you reiterate for the board that the the purpose of this project is not to necessarily change intensify the operations of the change of character of the airport or rather to serve the needs of your customers.
>> Yeah. The big thing is everybody that's got an expensive airplane that's outside wants to be inside. We want to accommodate that. >> Sure. inside. >> Yeah.
>> But I will tell you because we heard this 20 years ago, you know, businesses are not charities and and and no because I 20 years ago we went down this road where you know somehow it was unoured for us to look to
make a profit and I'm just saying that we're a business like everybody else. We're making an application. >> Okay. Um I think we're done with Mr. Park and if >> every next witness
>> next we'll bring Mr. Holes. >> Yeah. Actually, can we give our reporter take a five minutes? >> Absolutely. Sure. >> Five minutes. Yep. >> Okay. So, our next witness uh is Richard Holes. He is uh his firm prepared the
plans for the buildings that are being proposed here and he's also licensed engineer uh specialist in aviation. So um what I'll do is I'll ask you again uh you gave it in business address before but can you just uh give the board the benefit of your educational background
what degrees do you have any uh licenses you hold? Sure. I have a bachelor of science from in civil engineering from Penn State. Um the only active license that I have right now is New Jersey. Um I've retired I'm getting close to retirement so I'm retiring my licenses
as they come up. I still have my New Jersey license and I'm still practicing. >> And you've been an engineer that focused on aviation for how many years? >> Since 1995. So 30 31 years. >> Okay. Um and uh I I guess and your
office prepared the plans for I can expand on that. >> Sure to Mr. Holes as a licensed engineer. >> The board board will recognize Mr. halls as a um licensed uh professional
engineer. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, now we are up to what I'll ask you to do is um I'm going to ask you to walk through the plans that were submitted with respect to the building. So, first we'll talk about the buildings that we proposed because I know uh Mr.
Kenny talked about in his introduction some of the size of the buildings and the bays and whatnot, but this will just go into the details of the actual project. Um and what we'll do is we'll mark this is uh what's being shown um
on the board we'll mark as exhibit >> A5 I think. >> Yes. Mark the A5. And these are just the architectural plans for the buildings that are being proposed at this project. Correct. Correct. >> Chris, were they the were they the same as what were submitted with as part of
the application set? >> Yes. >> Well, we don't need to mark them separately. They're just the architectural plans and elevations. >> Okay, great. Okay. So, what I'll ask you is run through each building for each phase and just clarify what phases they're going
to be for. So, that way board has a bearing as 2020. >> Okay. So the the first page uh drawing AP01 is the is the middle section uh the ones that are being would be constructed on the pavement. Uh they consists of three
hangers under one roof. Um there would be the the hangers are there's two of them that are 65 ft wide by 62 feet deep. And again as Mr. Parker testified uh you can put multiple either a single aircraft or multiple aircraft in these
tanks. They have an 18 foot what's called biffold door. And what a biffold door is is it folds up and in half. So it's a little like an envelope. So it just it sits like this. It folds up and that's that's just a biffold door. It
allows the the aircraft to be put in and then you put the door back down. Um, these hangers are uh to be the same of the same color and quality as would match the existing hangers at the
airport. Um, they they have and we we talked ear there was discussion earlier about being able to park the car and because these hangers are right near the entrance road, uh we we do have a wall garage door in the back. So, uh, the aircraft
owner can come in, press the button, pull into his hanger, uh, his plane out, and off he goes. Uh, and then when he goes back, same thing. Put the plane away and back out, and he he can leave from that location. Um, again, the these
hangers, I I think it is important that they can house either a single aircraft or multiple aircraft depending on the the hanger lei >> and the height of the buildings. Uh the total height's about 27 feet at the peak. Uh again the door is 18 feet high.
18 feet accommodates most or all uh single and like twin engine aircraft. The the tail height and that's what we look at is the height of the tail. You typically want to have u you know foot and a half to two feet between the top
of the tail and the bottom of the door. So you know so you don't get hit the tail on the on the door at any point. >> Okay. And this is for the central phase. >> This is the central phase. Yeah. >> Okay. So then let's talk about >> when you see building.
>> Yes. Yes. the the tea hanger which is what page just so what page are we on >> AP02 okay this is this is what's called a T hanger and if you look at it uh
basically the wing the wing blocks is in the front so you back the you you push the plane back into the hanger the tail tail is in the back and then this is a nested tea hanger. What that means is the tails are all against one another. They all they are all parked against one
another. You can fit 10 T you can fit 10 aircraft in this hanger. Um you always end up with a small unit on the end. A lot of times we put those with the adjacent unit. Uh sometimes you can you know the airport can use it for storage
or anything like that. But that's the that's those uh half keys on the ends. Just to explain what those are. These are these key hangers are for smaller aircraft. Uh they have a 42 foot door on
the front. So, you know, you're going to have about a 41T6 inch wingspan or less that fits into these into these uh tea hangers. And then the door is 12 ft high. So again, you know, the other door was 18 ft high,
six feet of difference. So lot lot lower tail on these hangers. So these are typically going to be your smaller aircraft that are sorted in these hangers. Again, these are I should have mentioned it earlier, but the 62x 65,
the 6 56x 62, these T hangers, those are standard hangers uh that are manufactured in the United States. There are two hanger manufacturers primarily in the country. Um, and we we just use the information that they have, you
know, so you know, if if Mr. Parker tells me this is what we want to this is what we want to do, we go in figure out which air which hanger fits that need and that's what we typically utilize in that location. So again for this type of tea hanger which I believe is in the uh
eastern that's eastern side >> side of the property that expansion there's other ones near there too but also this is would typically lend itself for one typically more of the one single plane within the space and a small plane northwest. >> Yeah there there are three other two
hangers on here. So this is uh just >> to be consistent with the design and appearance of those and the size. >> That's correct. >> Now we're pure 1803. Um this is the other hanger that's on
the east side, the one that sits behind the two hangers. Um, this is the same hanger as the uh as we talked about with the one the middle the same size hangers, same 56x 62. Um, so similar
use, similar, it's a little smaller than the 65x 62. You're probably not going to get more than two aircraft into this tank at any time. And everything else is the same as what we discussed earlier. >> And this is the other port, the other building that's on the east side. Yes.
Again, same height, same design, is consistent what with the character of what they're doing. >> That's exactly correct. And then the on AP04 on the south side, um there are the
these are the same the same haters, the 56x 62. Um we have two together and three together here. And those are the ones that are on the south side of the of the airport. So for the south side, there's going to be five separate spaces within two buildings.
>> This pages 04 just pull it up. >> That's the floor plan. >> Okay. >> And then P05 is the elevation. And again, they're
exactly the same as what we talked about in the middle of the airport. Now in terms of the hangers um are there light speed required by the FA to put on that depends on the location uh the
location of the hanger with regards to the runway um every runway has what's called a primary surface and it varies in size based on the type of runway it is. Um, so and we aren't you're not allowed to build anything in the primary
surface. That is, you know, that's basically your roadway, so to speak. Um, once you get out of there, there is a it's called a transitional surface. Goes up at 7 to one, seven horizontal to one
vertical. And you lot, you can have a penetration to that, but you have to lay it. Um, what we do in that low in that case is the highest point at the closest point to the runway receives a a red
structure light and I know there are some out at the airport right now. They're a steady burning red light. They come on at they're on photo cell uh come on at night and they are basically to alert the pilots that there is a an
obstruction out there and it's you know just basically so they know if you go over there there's something there that they that they might hit. So that will be on these buildings as well. That's correct. Yeah. Okay. Um now let's talk about the building for the
northern side which would have uh mechanic space effect the hanger for mechanic space as well as um the office and other administrative pieces whatnot. Yeah this is what page this is drawing
AP07 which is the floor plan and AP08 which is the the elevation. Um, this hanger is a little different in that it's not a standard manufactured hanger. So, this this would be a a hanger where we would have to go out and get a a
steel manufacturer to to manufacture the building that say this is I want this hanger. It it that does not exist. So this hanger again as has been discussed the front part is the hanger area which is in this
case going to be the maintenance area. Um you know and this this allows them to probably maintain six aircraft I would think at one time. Three in the front, three in the back likely depending on how they're doing it what they're doing.
But it gives them a lot more flexibility than what they have now. Um, again, everything in the back allow is basically for the employees and and things of that nature and and the customers that are having their planes
worked on. Um, we have discussed the the uh the concrete apron out in front and as Mr. Parker mentioned uh you know a helicopter landing on a asphalt and I've seen it happen can sink right into the right
down into the asphalt. I've seen it more times than I care to admit. Um, so we usually put concrete a 4-in concrete in that area where we're going to have where we have the potential to have helicopters.
And then as far as the uh the buildings, the use again um in the back rear back of that the I guess the northern side of that building would be the operations for the flight school would be the the conference rooms, the administrative offices, that type that was described
before. Yeah. And if you see, we have briefing rooms in there. We have offices. And then there the uh there's learning areas too because a lot of a lot of flight training either you you bring the pilots potential pilots in and and have the training with them
together. So you know we have a small conference room, reception area, things like that. >> Okay. And in terms of the picture of that building, it is uh the doors same as we talked about with the uh the other hangers, 18 ft byfold door,
18 ft high. It's a little wider. I think it's it is u 100 ft. So um but that again that allows for the most flexibility with the maintenance of those aircraft. Like I said, you could have three in the front, three in the
back, and you know, having this door be the full width of the building allows for that. >> And will there also be a red uh on this as well? >> Yeah, this one this one is relatively close to the to the edge of the primary surface. So, yes, it would have it would
have an obstruction. Now when you were talking before about um the the distance required and the separation of space from the from the runway uh the project will meet all FAA requirements. >> That's correct. >> Yes. And um and in terms of uh the
requirements it the those requirements also dictate the spacing of these buildings too. Correct. >> That is correct. Yes. Yeah, I mean there a va the vast majority of this airport currently does not allow for current for future development. Uh just because of
everything that's you know we have three runways so you have three primary surfaces crossing and so there's really just not a lot of area to develop. When when uh Mr. Parker and I and and Mr. walkers and I sat down and looked at
this. We came up with the areas of where we felt there was the potential for development >> and it required to be separated because of those type requirements. >> That's correct. Yes. >> Okay. Uh I have no further questions.
>> Board, any questions for this witness? >> The construction materials will be similar to what's there now? >> Yeah, absolutely. Steel. >> Yeah. Steel steel um you know metal panels on the front again. metal metal biffold door um same colors as as the airport currently uses. Yeah.
>> How are the hanger units internally divided? Right. Is that a like a steel wall? Is >> Yeah. Yeah. Usually, um they can be either a partial partition, you know, so only what part way to separate them or they can be a floor to ceiling. We
haven't really gotten to that level yet. Um same with the tea hangers. Um, you know, with tea hangers, you can run it from the floor to the ceiling or you can just have it up to the, you know, up to the top of the door and leave the rest open. So, >> Paul, I assume fire suppression is a
building permit. >> That's all building code and and covered by that. >> Any other board member? Madam Chairman, I did have I did have a question and this was I brought this up in my letter because there's a note on the plan >> that says the lighting on all these
buildings is regulated by the FAA. >> And I and I understand that in the in the context of the obstruction lighting, but is there any FAA requirement for lighting over egress doors or other lights on the sides of the buildings?
You know, just basic white light. Yeah. >> Yeah. As much as you don't want to as much as the the township and the neighbors don't want to see light, pilots don't want to see it any either. You know, everything that we design is a down is a downward facing light and it
doesn't expand about beyond 40 or 50 feet in front of the hanger. Um, and that's where the aircraft be pulled out saying hook it up to the tug and things like that. Push it back in. But yes, all of our lights and we we have um
Mr. Kennedy, we've provided him with the typical lights that we use for these hangers and they are down they're down facing lights. >> Okay. And I understand I just wanted to have that on the plan. So, we've got >> we've got that information. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> And I I have also on the plan located
where I believe the obstruction lights will need to be placed. >> Thank you. >> Anything else, Paul? >> No. >> Okay. Frank, anything? >> Okay. Uh, okay. We'll open it up to the public if they have any questions
>> or or comment or testimony. >> Yes. Or comment. >> Anyone who wants to make So, this is not >> only we we're not to the point. I'm sorry, Tom. I got to interrupt you because we're not to the point of testimony yet because Ron is going to come back with
some additional >> Okay. We also have to have planning testimony. So, we're we're a couple away from that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, this is just any questions for the last testimony. >> Uh, seeing none, how about the uh
>> online? You again, you can unmute yourself or raise your hand if you have any questions for the last >> No questions. >> Okay, seems like there's nothing. Okay, >> thank you. >> We'll close it to the public for this. >> Okay, >> so
>> and we'll welcome Ron back. Yes, I think it'd be uh since we have the time, I think it might be productive to have Ron start with his full engineering test detail of the project.
>> Back still on the road. >> Yes, thank you. >> Want to make sure I get back to my exhibits sharing. Okay. Um, I'll get through a couple of other details that I did not testify originally on
to get some story out. But um the last thing that was just spoken about now was the lighting and based on working with his office, we actually prepared a lighting exhibit.
I assume that would be six >> A5 A5 >> A5. And the start of that would be on this exhibit, we show the areas in
front of each of those doors that fold up. And this would be above that door. And the fixture itself that we were given is in this corner here. It is um LED. It's a wall sconce that's hung
above the door. Um, it is dark sky compliant, darin only, LED. It's about 8,000 lumens. We're showing it now at 4,000 Kelvin, which is in between, you know, not too white, not too yellow type of light
that's there. Um, and it's mounted depending on the type of building. The T hangers are lower. The other hangers a little higher. So it would be somewhere between 16 feet to 25 feet as far as the height of these things where the mount fixture is itself. And you'll see the
impact only goes, you know, 20 to 30 foot away from the down. So it's not going up, it's not going out. And the impact basically handles I'll say the ramp in front of each hand.
So, the intent here based on what we've reviewed with the consultants is that each of these new areas would have a light above each of the fixtures. And my understanding is it would be owner
driven. Whoever owns or rents that space would be driven and it would only be used when they're taking it out or back in. It's not something to be at night every night. Not something to be on. It's only as needed when you're in an operation. >> Just an onoff switch.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Not an automatic photo cell that goes on. And as you heard, what I heard is lights not a friend of the airport and the airplanes. So the intent is only to have it isolated to the area of the
work area inside or outside the building where you'd be taking your plane in or out. So the intent of this exhibit is to show that it's limited to you know 25 to 30 foot outside the hanger would be the limits of the cut off of any of that
um and as said controlled only as needed. This is not dusted dawn. It's not on a photo cell. It's switch on and off. Another exhibit that we talked about in general terms, but I exhibit we'll call it a
is just a a phasing plan that for the site and I talked in the north, central, east, and south, but this just puts an exhibit together to make it clarify it simply. associated with each one of these phases. So that one phase is not
dependent on another phase for the improvements and that would include any utilities, storm water management, um any construction of any additional pavement that would be required and each one would be isolated amongst itself. So the the the goal here is that each one
could be built independently of the other without affecting the site improvements that are required. Um, as you heard in the testimony uh from Mr. Parker, it could be an extended period of time. I believe we're over a certain uh size of land that we would
likely ask for an extended approvals by this board if it was granted um for a certain duration. And we'll look at what that duration could be, but certainly more than a couple of years that a typical site plan would run because this is likely going to be a longer um extension of all these improvements that
we're talking about being built. All right. The next thing I wanted to do is go back to exhibit I believe it's A4 A4 and talk about the other physical improvements.
In order to mis minimize disturb disturbance and coverage, we're limiting the driveway that goes to the north side building to only 12t width without curve. We're widening it up at the radius of the turn where it
turns 90 degrees for two-way traffic to pass. And then halfway down that driveway, we widen it out again so two vehicles can pass. So rather than building a wider driveway, we're building a narrow driveway that has a
turnoffs so vehicles could be accommodated. Again, low frequency type of in andout traffic that would be here. Uh our intent is to minimize uh having the driveway only 12 foot wide and then again bumping it out in a couple of areas for passing lanes uh eventually to
where you get back to the hanger space itself. Uh around the hanger the that is what we call the T hanger not T hangers but the the building T which is the building on the north side. Um we will have uh some
some a 4 foot eye fence and gates that would be for the access from again the vehicle side versus the air side. So prevent anyone from um not understanding where they're going to get onto a space that they really want and it would allow
only for certain people to get into that space. The other improvements that you'll see in here is the details of the stormwater management that we have on the property. And you'll see for this site, well, it's
spread out over fairly long area and skinny, there's a series of five basins associated with that. Not a lot of necessarily new impervious coverage or disturbance. But the new rules that we have to deal with is no drainage area
can be bigger than two and a half acres before you have to have all the water quality treatment peak rate of attenuation cut off. You can't just put one base at the bottom of the hill. So in this case, what we're doing with storm water management and spreading it out over a longer distance. basically
bringing water quality and attenuation and peak runoff closer to each of the sources. So you don't have a lot of pipe running a long distance and bring it to one. You have it closer to where that actual new imperous coverage is. So on this plan you'll see two long skinny
basins that are associated with the driveway. You got larger basins that are spread out uh two on either side, one on either side, a total of two on either side of the building and the coverage for the uh parking lot and then one at
the end of the taxi way uh before it meets the existing taxi way to get a plane out to that. Um a lot of detail these days with these systems themselves. A lot of comments that has in there. I'll get to the
comment that we have lane to accommodate this. We have to do some, you know, refinement of some of those calculations in order to get compliant. And as this board understands, as Mr. Ferraro and his team are going to make sure that we're compliant with the specific
standards of um the storm water standards. In other sections of the project, we will have areas between W and V. We
will be using porous pavement as another treatment as another alternative. So that'll be porous pavement basically on the ramp that goes up to each of the four hangers on W. And the intent of that is instead of building a basin that
would be difficult around the runway itself or around the taxi ways, we would actually do porous pavement in that area and discharge um to the existing uh stream or it's just a corridor that's off to the east of this diagram.
Additionally down in on the south section we have two different types of treatment here where we have a small bio retention basin to the south of Y that will treat and discharge and we have porous
pavement just to the west of the proposed hanger X. So, we're using different techniques to use for storm water management. Again, spreading out where we're putting um storm water management features and then complying
um and certainly we have to comply with all those details. There's still some details to work on. Confident we will have those um completed and be in compliance. Uh but uh they uh it's not going to change the concept of what we
have now with this homework. Next item that we have is the general utilities around the property. I talked about the storm water, excuse me, the sanitary sewer system. The existing system runs
from A to C and D and then actually has a force swing that goes to the um the disposal field that's all the way up in the upper leftand corner just to the rest of proposed building T. Um that won't change. There will be no changes
to that building that will be new is on building T. As I said in previously, it'll have a a a um separate tank, a pump tank, and it'll go into the existing system itself.
Water, we show on the plan that we'll have our detailed plans that we'll have a new well near T. And again, that's what we showed to the board of health. We have the safe distances from the septic tanks and from the disposal field to be compliance with the standards. So we
don't see a problem with complying that and it's likely that we'll build that additional use for that plenty of volume. That's not the issue. We're not using that much water there realistically for the amount of people that would be in this building, but it's more about a distance from from one side
of the property all the way to the other side of the property going around um the airfield. though there's no disturbance on the property that gets anywhere near any of the regulated areas that we're staying away from those. We're not disturbing into
any of the wetlands or the transition areas or any of the flood planes, anything near those areas. Uh the total disturbance per storm water calculations is 6.62 62 acres. That's the total disturbance of all phases of the ground.
So whether that's pavement that we're putting a building on top of and having, you know, 10 foot around the building because you have to excavate additional pavement in order to construct it or whether that's new pavement or new driveway or new parking or new building.
The total amount of disturbance is 6.62 acres that are there. Some of that much of that will be restored. It'll be one area. It'll be detention basin areas. It'll be infiltration areas, but the total disturbance is 6.62 acres.
Extensive soil testing has been done on the property already for where we can infiltrate and where we can fit these stormwater management features. Uh, as I said, that Mr. soil isn't the greatest out there, but near where building T is, we found an area that did have
infiltration and had rates similar to where the septic system had soils. It looks like that we do, but soils that were conducive to meeting infiltration requirements. So, we will be able to infiltrate um storm water management on a portion of the property and be in
compliance with the regulations. I think that's it. That's all the detailed on the storm. We're on the engineering side of things. I'll say it's a simple plan as far as what we're doing. There's not a lot of of of u elements of the design. It's buildings.
It's some parking areas and some circulation for uh the planes themselves. and everything else is just the strong management design. No new signage that's out there. There's I guess I would call it a sign. It's a log that's carved with the name of the
airport in it and it sits about 30 ft back off the roadway. Um but you'd have to really look hard to figure out if there signs there. Um so there's no change to that. It's not lit. There's no changes to any of those things. So any of the typical, you know,
non-residential development type of things, we're just not there with this type of that we would be agreeing. >> And Ron, no way finding signs with the um that right turn coming off the driveway. >> They said that they they don't think they need it. >> So people who are going to be using it
know where to go. >> That's right. And even on that airport now, you know, I think I've started going there when it's probably four years old. There's never been a sign out there for anything. You found your way in there. You know, a couple of times I think my father got in the wrong place
when we went out to see the airplanes land as a as a a tree sometime when we were much younger, but there just not signs on that property and seem to work. There are some controls for some fence. So that I think that that is something that they added um some pest control so
they can't get to the airport areas that are more airport plane sensitive. >> Okay. Paul is the proposed driveway width okay 12 ft with the wire sections. Is that allowed? >> Well they they technically need a design
waiver for that. Um and I think what part of Mr. Kennedy's testimony will be when he gets into the variance and design waiver planning testimony is justifying that. I think um
what they've done is they've widened it at the curve. They've widened it for some passing areas and I think um you know maybe that could be fleshed out with some additional testimony as to what the frequency of trips in there and that are. is not the driveway to
Bridgewater Mall. So, I'm not overly concerned that it's going to be a lot of vehicles conflicting with each other, but I think some information on the record may be useful in that regard. >> Yeah. And I maybe we'll get Steve talk, but what I understand too is is is it it
really is not a lot of movement that goes back and forth. A student or two come in at a time and do their classes and then they they move away from that area. employees are in and out, but once the employees are there, they're moving around the airport on the airport side,
not necessarily on the driveway side, you know, with their vehicles that are there. So, the employees that have quality UTDs or whatever that they're moving around the airport that they have on on that that we've seen. >> So, that access drive is only for access to building T and not for internal site
circulation. >> It is not correct. It's only the building T and those operations that are there. So general office staff not that many you know that that's there the the biggest thing that the turnover is training but that's usually a small
effort for that training it's not you 20 people coming at a time it's not group sessions it's >> I mean for reducing coverage as long as it's safe and the operator would know that >> you we've seen this from time it's a time where we do narrow
drive and it works you know that that it works works in those things and again goes back to frequency of travel. It goes back to sight distance as well. >> Okay. >> So if I get there I can see all the site is well I didn't test the site's
fairly level. Okay. It's a pretty flat plane that goes through. So it's not like you have substantial topography up and down where you lose sight visibility because there's a hump in the roadway. There's no trees in the way there. You have total sight distance of someone coming in and out.
>> Okay. Thank you. But for the most part, the operation is daytime. It's not nighttime operation. So, we're not getting people at the nights that are coming in and out that, you know, for the most part, it's a daytime operation. >> And you have no curb. So, if there were two vehicles, one's going off a little
to the side type of that's there. >> So, we we've run some profiles through here. So, the bigger vehicles that need to get in here, like a truck that I drive once in a while, um, we need to get there. Okay. So, a firet truck,
we're going to make sure that we can get that turning radiuses accomplished there by widening out that turn that you saw at the corner, widening out the intersection so you can actually get a larger vehicle. I'm sure there's going to be refuge. They're going to have some deliveries. Obviously, emergency
vehicles need to get in there. And we want to make sure that's case straight. 12 foot that's fine. When you get in the curves, you got to get away. Any other board member have any questions for mine? And >> Paul address does that address your uh
your comment? >> Uh well there's obviously a lot in my letter. Most of it's focused on on the storm water. They've got a decent amount of work that needs to be done on that. Um and I suggested that we you know they they provide us some initial information
and potentially have me my office start to work through those items because there there's a good amount of work that needs to be done. I think it's notable that um the board may be aware that the D adopted new storm water requirements as
of January 20th of this year. Um they do not apply in this case because the application was deemed complete before July 20th of this year. So um this is this is subject to the 2023 rules and
we've reviewed it in that regard. >> Good. I guess we'll open it up again to the board uh to the public. >> So, right now I'm just opening it up for questions. Correct. >> Mr. Kennedy. >> So, if there's anyone in the room that
has any questions for Mr. Kennedy or anyone online, you can unmute yourself or you can raise your hand. I've got a couple of questions uh Bill Monday again
uh for for Mr. Kennedy. Um you said that there or you implied maybe that there's you know very little night work. Do you know how how much? >> I don't but I'm sure Mr. Parker can give
an answer very quickly. I was gonna have actually come and test because the question came up about number of vehicles and trips and used to that the T building. I was going to have uh Steve answer that uh when you're finished. So >> yeah, that's good. That was my next question.
>> No, they are our our office is open 8 to 5, 7 days a week. Um the airport by the FAA is open 24 hours a day for a customer that parked there or whatever. Uh some of our flight school part of the
front flight school curriculum is I think each student has to get a couple hours a night flying. Uh generally that's taken to another airport and we take off and then we land back at our airport. We usually go to a bigger airport to do the takeoffs and landings or the mandatory crossount navigation
flight. Um so there is some night flying uh not a lot. the uh medevac uh they're a 247 operation. Uh but we we don't have a night shift per se. Our maintenance shop is certainly not uh doesn't work at night and our office is
closed. So the uh the folks that uh the instructors come out individually to fly with those students at night. Um so it's sporadic. Certainly maybe one or two nights during the week you might get occasional night lights that are associated with school
>> that would be using this building in this room to get access >> because that's where this question so that that's where this question. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. they might meet there before going out on their flight or when they come back. >> And in terms of the the other operations here, I guess because you heard questions before with respect to the
staggered use of this this uh road and having the width of the road bey how many vehicles and we're not expecting substantial amounts of vehicles back and forth. >> No. No. And and and and certainly at night you're looking at maybe two instructors and two students on any
given night. That would be a heavy load. >> And again, they coming in at the same time and coming out at different times. >> So, you don't expect much crossover in terms of >> not really >> even even during the day as well with people coming with classes and everything else. >> We don't uh typically it's one-on-one
instruction. So, you come for your appointment with your instructor. So, it's not necessarily we have 15 people coming for the two o'clock class because that's not how we operate. But you don't >> how many Go ahead.
>> I was just going to ask how many uh full-time employees you expect in building T. I I know the you know probably don't have an probably don't have an exact number but uh roughly >> oh you know the uh the the maintenance
function would probably have five or six in that neighborhood and then uh you know a couple students and a couple instructors coming and going >> so maybe 10 at a time >> maybe yeah >> something like 10
>> yeah a a question for Mr. Kennedy. Um, just to to be clear, there's not any lighting proposed on that driveway, the building T. >> There is not. And just to be clear,
there's no lighting on any driveway on this >> and lighting on the outside of building T. >> I may have missed it on your earlier plan. The only lighting would be just over the
um the large airport door >> in the front. You did it. You did indicate that. I'm sorry. >> I'd say probably likely codewise that there is an entrance to the office side of things. likely the code would require
a small I call it a jelly jar, but an ornamental type of light right outside the dwarf at the eress that would likely be required. We don't show that on a plan, but I'm sure the building code is going to require something like that because it's an office use, but we're
literally talking about a, you know, a 100 watt type of light bulb that you would have at a residential type of event at a minimum that you would need at that entrance. Thanks. I may have missed it, but uh when you were talking about the the
storm water drainage by building W, um I didn't see the basin area that you were referring to having the same um imper impervious
uh pavement or or covering as you did in with respect to the other building h how I I guess the question is how do you get is this something you can drive over because otherwise how do you get to uh building W it looked like the the
stormwater basin is is there where you would otherwise be getting to it. >> Yeah, it's it's pvious pavement. Um it'll have to be designed a little different than what would be in a typical parking lot. The loads aren't heavier. I'm told they're just a little different. We understand there's a
standard for airports for pvious pavement that's a little different than parking lot standards for that, but it would be pvious pavement and then below that there will be a stone layer that will have storage capacity to
deal with the volume of the increased rate of print. Below that will be a pipe and a and a media that um that will take that clean water away and discharge that. So there's a combination
attenuation degra runoff and water quality before it gets discharged out into um well ultimately into a a flared intersection or discharge pipe. >> Okay. I the the plan doesn't currently indicate that
but but I you'll I guess you you'll make that change. >> Well, yeah. I mean this is just an exhibit. We have very detailed plans that show all those details. We have cross-sections. I mean there's on the and the submitted plans there's a lot of detail that has that design.
>> Okay. Um so you you you indicated that there has not yet been any work done on the uh driveway to the building in the
north. So you don't know whether a fire truck could get in there yet. Is that was that accurate? Am I characterizing it accurately? >> No, I said we modeled that to show even the reduced width that the turning
movements can accommodate a fire truck to get back. >> Okay, I I missed that. I apologize. Um, thank you. Okay, I think we're uh Anyone else online or in the audience that had public comment or questions for Mr.
Kennedy? >> Can I ask just one more? I I noticed that Mr. Kennedy, I'm paraphrasing, um, that there was a lot or significant or, you know, a
bunch of work that had to be done on storm water management. Um, I'm not I'm certainly tend to understand that, but what do you mean by that? What what still has to be done?
>> So, I jump Ron, let me take that. In my review letter from January 26th, we had 55 comments on the storm water design. Some of them are very fairly simple. Some of them asked for more information. Some of them asked for some
more consistency uh between plans and calculations. Uh that's the additional work. There's some additional soil testing that's going to be need to be done in the field. Um that's really what needs to be done. Um,
these comments are not unusual. Uh, these rules are complex and you know the my reports have gotten much longer on the stormwater commentary than they have on anything else over the years. Um, >> understood.
Understood. So that that's work that still has to be done. I get it. >> That that's correct. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh we'll uh close the uh public uh to um this last witness.
>> Oh, you have another question. >> Oh, we're not comments. >> I was going to bring Steve up to just again um >> I I just wanted to say on the record because we talked about a little bit before. So, uh, again, Steve Parker, um, I'd like to just ask again with the
width of this driveway and the amount of traffic you see generated from here, this is at your needs, correct? >> Yes. >> Because it's not going to be a number of vehicles coming and going at the same time to such a light use to this building, too. >> Yep. >> Okay, that that's it. That's all I
>> Okay, I guess we have to if anyone has questions about Well, yes. Anybody for for Mr. Parker? public the last question from Mr. Parker.
A question for Mr. Parker. >> Okay, seeing none, we'll close it. >> So, at this point, um, with respect to our presentation, we still provide planning testimony. We still provide additional engineering testimony based
on, uh, just the revisions per uh, Mr. Fer's letter. Um, so if we can finish our presentation at this point for tonight, um, I think that's, you said, we'll still have, >> you know, a portion of Mr. uh, Kennedy's testimony remaining. But in terms of
planning aspect in terms of a little bit of engineering followup just, but uh, that that's what we I guess a stopping point for us for the time being. Um, >> can you finish up in the next few minutes or >> No, I mean I think we have to do the additional work. Yeah, I think I I'd
like to see some additional stormwater stuff come back just >> just to get me to the higher level of comfort. >> I got it. Um, and do you feel we need further hearing? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, they have to come back for another meeting. >> They they have to do the planning testimony which they haven't gotten into yet.
>> Okay. >> Until you see the planning test wrapped up. >> So, so Madam Chairman, um, >> yeah, >> I I'd like I asked this the question of a couple of people. um during tonight's presentation about what if anything the
applicant thinks survived from earlier um approvals. Uh I think there was a reference to 2022 approval. Um and Mr. Kennedy pointed out uh correctly that
there is uh some banked parking that's shown on this on this application. Uh but I think it's fair for the applicant to tell the board and the public whether they think there's anything else uh
because they've submitted those prior resolutions and plans as part of this application. uh which appears to be history. Uh but but I think it's important for the
applicant to tell us what um if anything they think survives uh those earlier uh applications and frankly I would think that those should be put on these plans but uh certainly I'd like to hear definitively whether
the applicant thinks um there there are other issues there so that uh the public can really understand what's happening here. What you know, certainly there's phases here and they some of this of of this of these improvements might not be done in
later phases. Um, and I think we'd also I think it would also be relevant to hear from either Mr. Kennedy or the applicant's attorney what kind of um life they expect of of the approvals
here. Uh, I think it was Mr. Kennedy who indicated, you know, appropriately that a project this size gets some special uh protection uh under under the municipal land use law. So, I I would um I I I think it ought to be put on the record
just so everybody's on the same page. >> So, can I just ask one question uh with respect to that? Uh- with you consistently reference plans that were submitted as part of the application from prior approvals. Is there a plan you're referencing in particular?
>> Um, I both >> you refer that a couple times. I just want to make sure we understand what you're what you're referencing in that regard. >> I think it was a 2022 plan, but I could be mistaken. I have to uh
I have to go back to my notes, but certainly um I I can I can communicate to the applicant's attorney um you know after the after the hearing tomorrow or whatever just uh to you know focus u
their attention. So, so one of the plans that we're required to spend under your ordinance is the the master plan, uh, the FA master plan that's been provided for the airport. And I just wanted to clarify, um, this is a plan that was given, it's
prepared by McFarland Johnson. It's dated, I believe, January of 2023. And I think this was a concern effectively. And I and in terms of Mr. Parker, a master plan is not an approved
plan that was uh gotten all the necessary approvals between the township and the county and every other permanent what? Correct. >> Right. It's just a plan that was filed with the FAA about potential yield it certain possibilities of what could potentially be yielded here for
is that accurate and again that's not what's being proposed here what the prior approvals are but that's just an obligation the applicant had to file uh per your ordinance which is actually for the ordinance we had to give a copy of this master plan but just like any
master plan that the that the the township may adopt. It's not necessarily a list of approvals. It's just kind of a kind of >> conceptual exactly what what could potentially someday be contemplated here. Um and not what's part of this application.
>> Well, that that's that's fine. We that's was sort of where we're going. We just want to understand that I believe that that plan may show the expansion of of runways and >> not been secured and that's not being
proposed as part of this application. Well, I I I I understand that and I that's why I wanted to just make sure that we all are on the same page on that that there isn't something that the applicant thinks they are getting
approval for in that or has approval for. Uh because if they have it and it hasn't been built, it ought to be shown on this plan. And if um it it hasn't been approved, it doesn't have to be
shown on this plan. Uh but we just want to make sure that we're all on the same page. Not this isn't a, you know, a terribly big issue. Just we want to make sure everybody understands where we're at. >> Sure. Again, there's nothing being proposed here with respect to the
um Right. Can you just I guess Steve, I'll ask you. >> No, the the geometry of the runway is not anywhere in this plan. >> Madam Chairman, if I could, I would just like to weigh in a little bit on this because um
I'm showing my hairline on this because one of the first applications that I looked at in 1990 related to Somerset Airport. Um, so >> first application too was in 2000. >> This was 1990. So I beat you I beat you by 10 years.
>> But there are there are some things I want to go back and look at the records on that because there were some some very old approvals. I want to compare them to what was submitted with the application. So, I've got to go with Janine and look at some old minute books to see what we can
>> I think that's a good idea. Yeah. >> All right, >> that's fine. >> Okay. So, we're going to pick a date for you to come back. Okay. >> Next month. >> Uh, it would be the March 12th. March 5th. We already have AT&T.
>> Okay. >> Okay. All right. March 12th. Everybody's available. Well, >> no. No further notice is required. >> Yes. This uh are we if we're done this hearing on the Somerset Air will be carried without additional notices to
March 12th, 2026 at 7 p.m. >> Great. Thank you very much for your time. >> May I ask a clarifying question? >> I think we're done. Bill, >> I think we had a clarifying question to be asked. >> Yeah, a simple This is Richard Hines. I
live at 1500 Burnt Mills Road. I'm sorry. I thought there was a section at the end where we had a >> We're not done the We're not done the hearing, sir. We're We're done for tonight. We are done for tonight. >> Okay. >> And the case has been carried already.
So, you will have to come back on the 12th of March at 7 PM to if you'd like to make a statement or make a ask any questions of any new witness or witnesses who testify that night. >> I see. All right.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. So, this applicant is done for now and We have March 5th ACT and I need a special meeting on February. >> February 26. Yeah,
>> everybody. >> Yes. >> Well, it's now the attorney has uh the plan. >> Yeah. So, it's ready to go. So we'll see you February 26, March 5th, and March
12th. >> You may be getting an application next week. >> Very quick. >> Ron, is there an application coming in next week? You know that's not very very
>> I can say this is I have three but you want me to choose which one you want which >> will result in the greatest tax revenue to the general >> uh 10tory building in LA. >> That's the one that Larry wants.
>> That's not all right. Uh yes, an application will be submitted we're told next week. >> Okay. Okay. So that but there's >> two other Okay. >> Busy business.
>> Yep. Keep us in business. >> Well, I know what one of them is. >> Don't cheat. >> I don't know about the third. >> All right. I need a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. See you on the 26th. >> See you on the 26th.
>> Thank you everyone. >> Night everybody. >> Nice job.