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Part 1 (Video ID: cNh_j5R9M98):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Start, Roll Call, Pledge, and Moment of Silence
- 00:00:57: Resolution 2026-99: Appointing Patrolman Joseph DeFao
- 00:01:45: Oath of Office Administered to Patrolman DeFao
- 00:06:52: Workshop Introduction: 1200 Main Street Update with Labella Associates
- 00:08:05: 1200 Main Street Environmental History and Investigation Report
- 00:15:10: Environmental Work Stages, Receptor Evaluation, and Future Remediation
- 00:20:00: Traffic Impact, Estimated Cost of Remediation, and Property Value
- 00:21:40: Council Questions: Spread of Contamination, Timeline for Usability
- 00:32:52: Public Comment 1: Bob L - Park Name, Remediation Costs
- 00:37:15: Public Comment 2: Response to Well Survey Letters
- 00:37:51: Public Comment 3: Claire - Previous Studies and Documentation
- 00:42:21: Public Comment 4: Suzanne Hannon - Purchase History, New Regulations
- 00:45:16: Public Comment 5: Joe Makavoy - Silver Lake Levels and Groundwater
- 00:47:07: Flood Plane Administrator: Climate Threats, Resilient Environments, Landscape Rules
- 00:48:51: NJ Protecting Against Climate Threats (NJ PACT) Real Rules Explanation
- 00:52:51: Lawsuits Against the Rules Due to Unreasonable Regulations
- 00:56:32: Council Questions: Committees, Current Homeowners, Flood Insurance
- 01:04:02: Legislative Process, Homeowner Flood Levels, and Mapping Website
- 01:13:59: Public Comment 1: Tony - Impact on the Municipality
- 01:23:59: Announcement of CFO Lorraine Karafa's Retirement
- 01:24:58: Selection Committee for New CFO; Leaf Blower Discussion
- 01:30:42: No Petitions, Motion for Approval of Minutes
- 01:30:57: Reports of Council: Memorial Day, Farmer's Market, Seafood Festival
- 01:32:50: Planning Board and Harbor Commission Meeting Updates
- 01:37:51: Court Order on Affordable Housing and Public Session Instructions
- 01:40:41: Public Comment 1: River Avenue Correction, Sewer Extension Concerns
- 01:43:52: Motion to Close Public Session, Resolution Adoptions
- 01:44:46: Resolution Authorizing the Issuance of a Club License
- 01:46:14: Ordinance Amending Development Regulations, Section 7.24
- 01:47:05: Ordinance Providing Water Sewer Improvements and Equipment
- 01:47:55: Tabled Ordinance Providing Capital Improvements and Equipment
- 01:55:26: Regular Public Session: Claire - Leaf Blower Batteries Safety
- 01:56:34: Public Comment 2: Designed - Sidewalk Replacement Issues
- 01:59:49: Public Comment 3: Lea Mars - Beach Security and Bird Nesting Areas
- 02:06:30: Public Comment 4: Memorial Day Ceremonies and elementary Students
- 02:07:19: Executive Session Motion and Adjournment


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This meeting of the mayor and council was sent to the Asbury Park press and the co-star our official newspapers and notice was posted on the bulletin board and the burl's website. Take roll call. Councilwoman Donovan >> here. >> Counciloman McKenna >> here. >> Councilman Delasio >> here. >> Councilman Rooney >> here.

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>> Mayor Busesco >> here. Please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God indivisible

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and justice for all. >> Please remain standing for a moment of silence for our troops, their families, and our first responders. Thank you. Tonight we're going to be doing a few things a little out of order. Uh we have

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first thing on our agenda is resolution 2026-99 which is the uh resolution appointing Joseph REFO as a patrolman of the Belmar Police Department. So we need to uh take

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a vote on that and then we will uh administer the oath of office. like to make a motion to adopt resolution 202699. >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Councilman Donovan? >> Yes. >> Councilwoman Kenny?

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>> Yes. >> Councilman Delasio? >> Yes. >> Council member Moroni? >> Yes. >> Mayor Bafusco? >> Yes. >> Now, I'm going to invite the council to to uh sit in the front and I'm going to witness to the oath of office to

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officer. Just a quick little bio on Joseph. Joseph DeFao Joseph Joe as they all called himo 29 years old was raised in Bel New Jersey and graduated from Manuan High School in 2015. Inspired by his father who retired from the New Jersey

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State Police as a lieutenant colonel in 2004, Joe decided to pursue his career in law enforcement. Joe began his career in law enforcement here in Belmar in 2016 as a class one police officer and then continued on to class 2 while he

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was attending the Bloomberg University of Pennsylvania. 2018 is when he became a class 2 here in Belmar. In August of 2020, Joe accepted a full-time position with the Spring Lake Heights Police Department where he proudly served for

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the last six years. He is honored to by the opportunity to continue his law enforcement career here in Belmar and remains committed to serving the community's residents and visitors with dedication and professionalism. This is a big photo.

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>> Repeat after me. >> Yes, sir. >> I, Joseph Arto. I, Joseph Artif, >> do solemnly swear >> Do solemnly swear >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> that I will support the Constitution of the United States >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey >> and the Constitution of the State of New Jersey

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>> and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to same >> and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to S >> and to the governments established in the United States >> and to the governments established in the United States >> and in the state >> and in the state >> under the the authority of the people

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>> under the authority of the people >> and I will faithfully and partially and justly >> I will faithfully and partially and justly >> perform all the duties as patrolman >> perform all the duties as patrolman >> for the burrow of police department >> for the burrow of police department >> to the best of my ability

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>> to the best of my ability usually have to pin the badge on, but since he's in a suit, I'm just going to hand him the badge. Yeah. >> I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. Robert

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We're not having the an hour where we're going to uh start a workshop and uh the first thing in our workshop is going to be an update on 1200 main and we are going to have a

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short presentation by our LSRP uh which previously was known as prestige environmental and now are Abella >> environmental or >> associates associates

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>> associates. Okay. And we have here Gesh Ma who's an engineer and an LSRP and Chris Dano who's also an LSRP. uh they going are going to go over the uh materials and the things that they

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found uh in their uh investigation of the uh 1200 main site. So uh and I will uh if the c if it's okay with the council we will permit some short questioning from the public after this.

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I'll grab a microphone so everyone can hear So, good evening everyone. I'm Crystal Monaco. I'm an LSRP and I am the assigned LSRP for the 1200 Main Street project. Um, with what is now Labella Associates, but

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uh when we started this project, uh we are Prestige Environmental um and we merged with Labella at the beginning of this month. And also with me here is uh Gish Meta who initially started prestige environmental

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>> uh 1993. >> Yeah, we started in 1993 and we just merged with LAL Associates. So yeah, I've been doing this since uh the 1900s as they say um with over 25 years experience. Um Gish has even more

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than that. Um so we are now part of Labella which is a 2200 employee company uh with over 40 offices and we do a lot more than just environmental. We do civil engineering, architecture, um landfills and power

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management. But today we're here to talk about the former Amo station, 1200 Main Street. Um, it operated as a gasoline station since the 1940s. It was originally developed in about 1905. It was actually a church for a little while. Uh, but for

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the past 70 years, it's been a gas station of some sorts. uh for the environmental history. Back in uh January of 1987, there was a reports of gasoline type odors in the one of the businesses

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immediately adjacent to the property. Um so DP came out and did some investigating um and was able to determine that the owner of the gas station had not inspected or tested the underground storage tanks in the 35 years of operation there.

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Um so subsequently they determined they found out the tanks were leaking and they drained them. They relined them and put them back in service. They also installed some wells in the grounds into the groundwater and they were able to they found free

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floating gasoline on top of the water table. Um and they started to pump out the gasoline and water as it accumulated. Then in 1990 when they were redoing the water man along 12th Avenue um adjacent to the gas station there was um

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petroleum smelling soil that they encountered. Um so it was kind of confirmed that this contamination migrated off the property and then finally in 1991 they removed the USS from the site and they dug out a little bit of the contaminated material that

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they found when they pulled the tanks. Um, following that for the next 30 or so years, there was very limited work that was done on the property. D come in and do some testing of uh the vapors inside the building at 1200 Main Street, which

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uh there were none. Um, but they also, as a result of the work that they did, they ended up placing two leans on the property. Um then in 2022 the consultant Gibson and Stattle

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were hired by the burrow to do his pre-purchase investigation, do the due diligence as the burrow was considering purchasing the property. Um they did find some environmental concerns and they also identified that there was soil and groundwater contamination.

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After that initial due diligence, the property was purchased on June 12th, 2022. And with that $300 was was with was with was with was with was with was with was with was with was with was with was withheld um from the purchase price and put into escrow. And that was based on an estimate that Gibson and Staddle

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determined at the time. Uh following that um Gibson settle then did some more soil and groundwater investigation and they also excavated some of the uh contamination that they did find. Um but it also kind of determined that the

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escrow was insufficient. So yeah, Gibson settle installed monitoring wells to try to delineate the groundwater contamination. Um but in the two years that they were investigating they were not able to find the end of the contamination find the

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extents. Um they also generated a lot of data but none of that data was reported. Um there was no preliminary assessment or receptor evaluation done and no site investigation or remedial investigation reports were prepared or submitted to the state.

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And then this figure here, you can see these are the initial samples that they collected as part of the due diligence. And the blue samples are samples that were not contaminated. And the red ones were contaminated. And this is the information they used to base their

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$300,000 escrow amount on. Then in September of 2024, the dotted line on the corner around that whole section of the parking area was excavated. And again, blue dots are

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post excavation samples that are clean and the red ones are showing that there's still residual contamination on the sides. So following the excavation, they went out to try to delineate the soil and they collected additional samples in the

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street and on the eastern portion of the parking area there. And you can see that the contamination is uh migrating across 12th Avenue. And then this is an estimated plume of where the groundwater contamination is.

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Again, the red dots show where elevated contaminants are identified in the maring wells and the blue ones um those are their clean locations. So, the way environmental works in New Jersey, you generally start with a

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preliminary assessment, which is New Jerseyy's version of a due diligence investigation. You do that to identify potential areas of concern and then if need be you investigate those areas of concern to

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see if there's any contamination. So that once you determine that you go to a site investigation collect some samples. If you find contamination, you do a remedial investigation where you try to determine the extent of the contamination,

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which leads you to your remedial action, which is the cleanup of the contamination. And then your final document certifying that the cleanup is complete is called a response action outcome or an REO. So where we are in this system right now is in the remedial investigation to

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remedial action portion. Another element to the work is doing a receptor evaluation to identify potential receptors which are you know parks, drinking water, um vapor

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intrusion, land use, ecological stuff. None of that has been completed up until recently. So, prestige starting in 2025, we prepared a preliminary assessment report and we identified five areas of concern.

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We also started the receptor evaluation and based on that there is a community supply well that supplies drinking water to Belmar in 3acre Park right across the street. Um, we did sample that well and there was it came up clean. There was no

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volatile organic compounds detected. Um, and then we also because there are drinking water wells, you know, right next door to the property, we then send letters out to people within about 500 ft of the property to do a survey to determine if there's any unpermitted

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wells that might be on people's properties. Um, so you might have received letters from me specifically. And then back in April, we also did some additional sampling in 12th Avenue to

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try to delineate the soil contamination. So these were the samples that were previously collected and then we expanded upon that and again we have blue samples kind of providing delineation on the east uh

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south and west. Uh but we still do have that one soil sample that is uh at the far end of 12th Avenue that still needs delineation. So next steps because we have groundwater contamination that's contaminated with

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gasoline contam contaminants, we need to perform a vapor intrusion investigation um at properties that might be influenced by this groundwater plume. Um and that involves sampling of the you know air in the basement and subslab

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soil gas samples. Um and then we also need to finish remediating the soil around that that northern location and potentially collect some additional samples to kind of tighten up that pink dotted line. That is our

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proposed soil excavation area as part of the remediation. So once the soil is still needed, the plan is to uh come in and excavate the contaminated soil within the roadway since most of the property was already

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cleaned up. Um once the soil is cleaned up, then you have to monitor the groundwater. You once you take that source soil out, groundwater tends to naturally clean itself up through a process called monitored natural attenuation. And once we can confirm that we have decreasing concentrations

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in groundwater, we can then u issue that final rao. So the soil remediation process um the contaminated soil is about five between five and 8 ft below grade. So

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there's some clean soil on top of it. So we would come in, we'd scrape the road and sidewalks off. We would come in, stockpile that clean soil so that we don't have to pay to dispose of it. Find that sandwiched 5 to 8 feet

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of contaminated soil. Scrape that out, dig that out, load it onto tractor trailers or onto trucks and dump trucks, and they'll load it off and dispose of it at an off-site facility. Um, but because the water table's very shallow here,

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you'll tend to get running sands and it might start collapsing in your excavation a little bit. So, we use what'll called trench boxes and kind of hold up the sides and allow us to dig through that. It will also dewater by pumping the water and storing it into

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something like that, which is a frack tank. Um, and there are also utility lines that are running through the excavation. There's a gas line and a water line. So, those will have to be supported during the whole process. And in the end, everything will be restored to where it was, back filled with clean

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soil. The stockpiled soil we scraped off the top would also be used to save on costs. And then the sidewalks and roads would then be uh returned to where they're at now. Um traffic impact 12th Avenue, it's anticipated to last about

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four to five weeks to complete this work. Um, so a section of 12th Avenue just off Main Street at the corner there will likely need to be closed. So the estimated cost of the remaining work

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is about $760,000. We've already completed some tasks that we spoke about before, the preliminary assessment and the site investigation report, the receptor evaluation. That's kind of a dynamic document that keeps changing and keeps being re-evaluated.

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And we also did some soil a soil remedial investigation. Most of those costs were covered by the money that was uh remaining in escrow from the sale of the property, but and a large portion of this final

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$760,000 is primarily for the soil remediation. Um, and then once this property is remediated, you know, it likely will increase the property value and depending on what the bureau chooses to do with it, they could likely recoup

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some of their costs if they resell the property. So, yeah, that's the current status of 1200 Main Street. So, um, we're going to take some questions. Let's first see if any of the council members have any questions at this point

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and then we'll open it up to the public. >> Thanks Chris. I appreciate you coming back again and filling us in again. Um, one of the things I wanted to ask last time and I I forgot to was where that can you put up the where the the image

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of where the uh clean well is still on the north side. Yeah. >> This one. >> No. Go back. >> That one. >> Yeah. >> So that north side well, what is how much further do you keep going to

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monitor into that that property? Like do you go a foot or three feet or five feet or how far? How often? How how Yeah. When do we find out? >> So that's soil. >> This is soil result. So this we would still continue step out. we probably do

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in like 5 foot increments collect another sample to try to find the end of it. There seems to be a uh two two or a little more than two-year gap from when works was was done to where we're kind of picking it up in 2025. Seems like

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from 2022 to 2025. Um is that where some of this has spread that the groundwater grabbed it and moved it across the street? because it doesn't seem like there it seemed like there were clean uh wells in the initial report. We don't

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have that reported properly. Um is it is that assumption that we can all make >> or not? >> Um the amount that would have moved in those two years would have been limited compared to the fact that these tanks started leaking in, you know, were first

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identified to be leaking in the '90s. So that's when it started to travel. like of course you know would have traveled some over those two years. Um >> it's got um excuse me there are two aspects of of this. This is 80 years of

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documented contaminated site. The other thing that kicked in in February of 2025 is the groundwater standards have changed to stricter standards from the EP. So some of the points which may have

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been clean before now you know they pose a challenge for us that two things but we're looking at about 100 years of history that we found um 80 years of Hamoko service station with documented

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contamination there was a church before that so we don't have to think about it what what happened before um that's what we are dealing with right Now um we are here to offer solution which is to remove the soil which is the

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source of groundwater contamination. Uh the simple analogy or example I can give you is like when you brew your coffee and you know you pour water through it. Uh what you get in your mug is like this is how the contaminated groundwater works. When you throw away

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your coffee and you pour water it's going to be clean. That's the idea here. Um and you know I'm I'm an engineer. We have designed this system to solve the problem with and it's it's a little bit tedious because of uh the groundwater

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situation. We have to use the uh trench box and then we have to dewater and then go in section by section. >> Thank you. Um I have two questions. Uh the first to because I'm not quite sure from what was asked and what was

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answered. In 2022, were samples ever taken beyond the perimeter of the property line >> samples were not collected during the >> Yeah. This is the pre- purchase sample locations. >> Pre- purchase. Okay. And then

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this is post purchase. And then this is additional post purchase. If you can read the dates, that's these are October of 2024, September of 2024, and March of 22.

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>> So we don't know for sure if it was spreading so much as we don't know the full extent to which it went out. >> Right. There was that 1990 utility the water main um done that shows you know that it had extended by

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that point into 12 uh 12 12th Avenue. >> My other question is I hope is a little more straightforward. Can you give me any type of timeline however broad for the soonest this property would be usable? >> Well, the property can be used

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very shortly because uh most of the issues on the property have been resolved. What we are dealing with mainly is the groundwater contamination which has spread in almost 80 years. Um and as you can see in the figure, the

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groundwater flow is towards the north. So the contamination started on the property with leaking tanks and everything else and then it slowly slowly spread started going offsite to the north and that is confirmed by the

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soil stand uh soil results also as you can see um the red dots increase in numbers and also in concentration as we go off site. >> So that's the situation we're dealing with. So to be clear then the actual

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property itself right now is relatively clean. >> The property can be the property can be um it can be made use of like you know you might want to demo the buildings or start using it

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for some purposes. The property itself is clean but under the uh state regulations we have to address uh the contamination groundwater contamination and we and we think that without removing the soil your groundwater

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levels will not drop and we also have to address some of the issues u on some of the properties on the other side of a >> but yeah if you see on this figure here uh the bottom of the pink box that's on the

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site that is soil contamination that is still remaining. Um so yeah once once the soil contamination is removed then the site is fairly usable. You'll still need to access or you know monitoring wells to continue monitoring the groundwater. Um

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but the destructive nature of the remediation would be complete you know it's just monitoring from that point on. question on this where B1 and B2 is in would that area be excavated? Would the would the ground be removed from that

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>> portion of the property? >> Yep. >> Okay. Just like it would be in the street. >> Correct. >> And what what about B7 all the way by Main Street? >> That one will need to be addressed somehow. um

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likely through a small excavation ex bumping it out over on that side. >> These uh the samples that we took, none of them are inside the building itself. So I think at some point this building is going to be demolished and you know the property be used that way. What are

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the chances of finding more contamination under the building itself? Our assessment uh did not indicate any major issues inside the building. I think it's a solid building with concrete slabs and everything else and we have evaluated uh

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areas of concern inside the building. So we are not too worried about that. Yeah, there doesn't seem to be, you know, there were samples collected inside the building previously and there was, you know, no real contamination that was identified. >> When and just to clarify, when you say

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inside the building for you, you mean like getting to the soil underneath the building or you mean like the slab itself? >> Below the slab. Thank you. So, are we permitted while the cleanup is ongoing to develop this site or sell it or do something

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like that as long as we're we've got a plan moving forward for the contamination that reaches into 12th Avenue and beyond? Yeah, there's no real regulation saying what you can and can't do with a contaminated property in terms of

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development, but it's, you know, easier to complete the remediation, you know, when there's limited to no structures. So, you can continue, you can market it, you can do whatever you want, you know, concurrent with our work

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>> regarding the uh cost of construction. Um, I'm assuming the borrow, you know, would be able to see a full breakdown on the bids for each line item. And are we able to choose certain areas that we can bid out or do work with our DPW, uh,

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road work, anything like that? That's um, you know, ways to reduce, you know, saving arm savings with our our forces. Yeah, we we looked at those possibilities, but um it's the regulation like the OSHA uh

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anyone working on this site has to be like 40hour train for has hazmat things like that. Um this is also a specialized uh kind of trade. Uh we have contractors who specialize in this type of work.

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Number one, you're working in uh shallow groundwater or contaminated soil. The other challenge is the utilities that you know we have to support and going section by section. So um we can actually look at that it's not just what

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I'm trying to get it is like it's not just simple uh machine and excavation and loading the soils. Okay, we'll have to be uh the scraped off like first 5 ft we have to scrape off stockpile and all that. So as

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long as the people are 40hour train um and also they have a refresher uh in has h has hazmat operations uh we would consider that. >> Okay. Yeah, I think the point was just that we would have the opportunity to

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review that and that you're getting competitive bids or we're bidding out certain sections through the part itself. Uh just you know that that was my only question. >> Yeah, that's not a problem. >> Okay, why don't we uh open it up to the public? Does anyone have any questions

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or comments that they'd like to ask our engineer and LSRP on this? Come on up. State your name and address, please. And the fivem minute rule still pertains to uh to comments please.

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>> Yeah. Bob L 316. >> First you you called it 3acre park. The park across the street. It's not 3acre park. >> Okay. >> It's Memorial. >> 3acre park is another contaminated site >> further over on 16th Avenue.

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>> Yeah. >> We found only one well there and that was sampled. So that's Thank you. >> Um the about the cost you said $700,000. Now I'm assuming that's for that was for mostly disposal of materials, cleaning

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material up. U now there's going to be road work, repaving, sidewalks, you know, other things that doesn't that's not included in your is it? >> It's all Yes. So, so all the repairs at

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12th Avenue and and the sidewalks all surrounding >> correct. So, for budgetary purposes, we include everything and then, you know, once we get on the job, we try to scale back like if we have estimate of 3 to four weeks, if we can do it faster, you

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know, with proper supervision, with cooperation. Um again the road work can be side sidewalk road work curves can be subcontracted to someone else >> you know to save cost >> and the $760,000

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the 300,000 in escrow isn't applied to that is it that's >> the 300,000 is gone or mostly gone used by the prior LSRP to do the additional work after the property was purchased

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>> 760 60,000 plus the 300,000 is what's the investment is right >> in cleanup >> so far? >> Yeah. 760,000 is starting now to completion. That's our budget.

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>> Is it is there any way to go after AMO? >> That's a legal question and they're not they're not attorneys so I'm sure they're not going to answer it. You were talking about the tanks. I think you said the tanks at one time were relined.

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>> That's right. >> But also were they completely were they removed? The tanks were were removed too. >> Tanks tanks were removed after many many years but um initially you know when they found the floating gasoline in the

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monitoring well that that was the indication that the tanks were leaking. So what they basically did was uh they lined the tanks to continue operation of the Amocore gas gas station but did not actually address the issue which would

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which would be you know conducting the investigation and taking out the tanks or removing soil contamination and everything. And then once the tanks are empty and removed, there's no more source of contamination, but the contamination that's there is just going

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to be mobile and move with the >> Yeah, that's that's the theory. But again, u you know, we don't know before they repaired the tanks. We don't know for how many years the tanks were leaking. The early indications were like 1980s. You know the first thing the the

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way I remember is like a timeline is you know Reagan was the president at that time if you could go back to those many years. Uh so it it is it is long-term uh we believe that the tanks were leaking

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for quite number of years um and the problem is still there and as you can see from our investigation um as the soil samples moved outward toward the 12th Avenue and also the groundwater samples contamination is

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more on the street than on the property. So that's how it goes because the contamination follows the groundwater flow direction >> and the and you're saying the groundwater is is only maybe 5 ft below the surface

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>> contamination is going to stay in that ground level water level right >> well yeah and also I think with the with the fluctuation in groundwater you have the smearing effect in the in the soil you know so that's that's also a theory

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thank you so Oh, would anyone else >> like to ask a question? >> Has anyone received our one of our letters for asking you for any monitoring wells or any wells on your property? >> We we we sent about 70 letters. That's

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why I'm asking >> those 70 letters. Has anyone replied that they have a well? Any within the 500 ft? Have you resp re received any yes responses? Sorry. >> We did receive one yes response. >> Yeah, one. Um, yeah. And Bill sampled

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that well. >> Hey, clar 18th and B. If I'm understanding this correctly, when the property was purchased, some study was done, but did we have all that

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information documented? I know we put $300,000 into the escrow on that. Did we have all this information prior to that? Do we know if we had all that information prior to it? How bad it was and it was spreading? they have the um

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>> well we had to so we had to ask the previous consultant to give us all the documents >> okay >> and that's how and we also generally check with the uh D website but there was nothing there so we contacted the U

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consultant and requested documents from him and we got those documents we reviewed everything and that's the that's how we were able to put this presentation together. >> So, we knew a lot of stuff before we bought it and it was even at the

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groundbreaking before it. So, >> well, that was the soil that was trucked in to to break it. They didn't actually break the ground >> because of the contamination, right? >> I think my understanding is that the previous LSRP didn't even test underneath the street, right? He just

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basically tested the property or didn't come up with a clean line, something like that, right? That's kind of what these gentlemen are saying. >> I think it's a it's a puzzle for us. But if we go back to the initial investigation that he did, um, as you

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can see, the red dots are very limited. And I believe that I think he might have thought that if I dig up some soil in this area, um, it will all work out. I'm only speculating but as a you know a

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person with 35 years of experience in this business that's the that's the thought process that you know roll the dice and maybe everything will be fine and if you see the next slide

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this is what he did and you know dig up the soil and everything else but you can see some red dots are along the sidewalk on 12th Avenue and then after all this excavation and everything as you can see

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now there are surprises coming up. See and and this is what the groundwater situation is. >> Okay. >> Wow. I I just want to make clear too,

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you did say that the D had not received any reports from him, Gib Gibson. Yeah. >> About this property. Correct. >> Correct. Yeah. >> I think that the correct procedure is that you go to a site and you look for

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what we call the areas of concern. You know you find the tank you find something else and then you say well so let's say for example we said there are 10 areas of concern then we decide maybe five do not we don't need to do anything

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with the five let's investigate five so we take samples we do whatever we need to do out of five we say well we're done with three now only two requires more work and all that and you dig up those areas or do whatever you want to do that's how you solve the problem. It's

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just step by step. You don't start digging sight and you know start taking the soil out. We have to know what the extent of contamination is and then go in and uh do the work. That's how it works. >> Thank you very much. Excellent

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presentation. I wish you were here. >> Thank you. >> Um we have our cards. If anyone has uh any questions afterwards, you feel free to contact us. So, you know, we can answer all your questions, any issues that comes through your mind.

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>> Any other comments, questions? Anyone else have contaminated property that they need investigated? >> Hi, Suzanne Hannon, Fifth Avenue. I was just wondering at the time was listening back and I just want to make sure I get this correct that in 2022 when we

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purchased this property, how much did the town purchase this property for? I'm talking off the top of my head. I think it was 1.2 million. I >> mean, we know the property value in Belmar is extremely high, keeps growing.

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So, it in 2022 was $300,000 that was set aside in the escrow for the cleanup. If that was done at the time when we purchased this, would that have been enough? >> I don't think it would have been enough.

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But you would have achieved lot more work because the work uh proper work would have been done before the new regulations kicked in >> and the new regulations of the state did not kick in. What would our situation be

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now? I know it's you know hindsight that we're looking at this but I mean is this happened because three years now have passed the state regulations changed and now all of a sudden we have to do extra work on this to clean it up. Now, I'm a resident. I'm looking at this at this

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could have been a useful site for so many different things that we need for our own town, for EMS, for fire, for the lifeguards to have a um an area. Do you feel like this area after $760,000 after a million dollar purchase? It

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doesn't seem like that much money. A million1, correct? So, do you feel like how long Well, let me ask you this. How long do you think it would take to clean this property? How long would we be able to utilize this property? And I feel like listening to all this that this

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property still has value. I mean, I grew up in Sarah. I mean, if anybody knows Sarah, >> there are so many contaminated areas. I mean, even now when you pass Frisco Bridge, you see the Grass River being all these areas could be remediated. And

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I just feel like I'm unfortunately time wasn't on our side to set late. There's a school right across the street and uh and it's a huge concern. But is this salvageable? >> This any property is salvageable. That's why we come in. We come in and solve the

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problem and make proper use of the property. I have personally as an uh licensed engineer and environmental professional I am involved in many deals in Jersey City, Hobok and Chris has been LSRP on many sites. Those properties are

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highly contaminated and somebody comes in and hires us. We solve the problem. We take care of issues and uh you can see 25 40tory buildings coming up on those sites. So yeah, and this is a beautiful

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location. I I like this location. It's it's nice. Um it it can be put to good use and fortunately there's not much left to be done on the side in terms of disturbance and um excavation and

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everything is limited. It's we have to deal with the street, take care of those issues and I think we'll be done. Um >> that's great to hear. Thank you. >> Sure. Joe Makavoy, 700 Main Street. Question I have for you, sir, is in the past, I

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don't know if they'll do it this year, but because hurricane season's coming, they'll test the pumps on Silver Lake and lower the level of the lake while they do it. Is it wise to not mess with the level of lake until remediation's all done? Because in the 30s, Silver

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Lake extended a few blocks towards that area and You know that's that has to do with you know the brown water in that area. Would it be wise to not do that until remediation's done this year? >> Well the remediation is first soil is

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first without removing the source unless you throw away coffee from your filter. You're still going to get coffee in your mug. >> I understand >> that's how it works. >> Do you think the lake has something to do with the groundwater in that area or >> I don't think there's an influence. No, there's no influence there. This is

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shallow ground water we are dealing with. That's right. Thank you. >> Hey, anyone else? Okay. Thank you so much. >> As you said, if you have any questions, please uh reach out reach out to me uh

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Mr. Kaine or directly to um to the two gentlemen that are right here. Okay. Thank you again. And we'll give you a minute to close up shop. I hate this chair. >> Okay, next up we're going to have

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Christine Bell, our flood plane administrator, uh talk about the NJ D flood rules called the real rules >> as opposed to the unreal. >> Do you want to do you want to

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It's okay. >> Keep it. April can keep it. >> I think the public can't really see it. >> April can keep it. People can come and look at it. >> We can take a picture and scan it. We'll put it up on the uh put it up on the

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screen. Um hanging on the wall. >> All right. So I am here uh just to talk briefly about uh the NJD. Um >> can you wait one more?

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>> Sorry. Sorry. >> That's okay. >> I don't mean to interrupt. Does somebody have a white Ford truck? The alarm's going off. sparked out here on the side. >> I'm across the street. >> No, it's right here on this side.

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>> On this side. >> All right. So, um I'm here just to give a brief update on the NJD uh NJPAC real rules um which stand for New Jersey protecting against climate threats, resilient environments and landscape

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rules. Um, so these rules were kind of in the works uh for a number of years, but on January 20th of um this year, they were signed into effect. They were

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adopted. Um, but there has been a 180day grandfathering clause, so they'll really go into effect on July 20th of this year. um these rules, what I'm talking about tonight, um there were a number of

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different aspects of them, but um they expand uh the uh coastal flood hazard regulated areas throughout the state of New Jersey. um these new uh areas which is known as

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the cafe or cave. It's the climate adjusted flood elevation. Um and it uh takes into um consideration future flood levels based on climate change predict

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projections for uh 2100. Um so it greatly expands the the area that's regulated um within the flood plane. Um and it also requires an

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additional 4T over um the base flood elevation um whether it be the preliminary or more effective whatever's um more restrictive uh throughout that regulated flood hazard area. Um so there

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has been some some kind of back and forth um over this. Um it was not enacted um by the state legislature but uh legislature but through executive action um in 2020. Governor Murphy uh signed an

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executive order um in which uh D was to incorporate the impacts of climate change into the rules governing uh coastal zone management, flooding, storm water management and other state um regulations. So that's

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where these rules came from. Um originally the elevation was uh an additional 5T that was reduced to 4 feet in July 2025. Um but because uh these rules were just

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uh signed by executive action and not introduced through the legislature process. Um there's currently Kate May Ocean and Mammoth County have a lawsuit um against these rules uh because they feel they're unreasonable, arbitrary,

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and capriccious. The New Jersey Builders Association and the New Jersey Business and Industri Industry Association also have a lawsuit um against these rules. There has been a resolution introduced

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in I believe both the Senate and um legislature um that determines the D's rules are inconsistent with uh legislative intent and that NJ overststepped their authority. But I do not have any updates

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on any of those uh legal actions. So, as of right now, today, um on July 20th, uh these rules will be fully in effect. Um other parts of the real pack rules, um they previously

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updated some of the storm water requirements. Um but these uh these flood hazard areas are really the big ones. So this map that I have up here illustrates um the new regulatory area.

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Um everything that's kind of in hashmark is what is currently in the 100year special flood hazard area and then the yellow is the expanded calf uh regulated area. So you'll see um it dramatically

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increases um the area regulated uh within Belmar. Um there has been, you know, in addition to the the uh lawsuits I just mentioned, you know, there has been um a lot of

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concerns, I think, over the the increased cost of um rebuilding or housing. uh basically anything within this area would be impacted um with a substantial improvement they would be required to you know uh raise

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to that additional 4T. So that is for example if you're currently in a special flood hazard area with a base flood elevation of 10 that means with the uh 1 foot of free board required your base

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your designed flood elevation is 11. This would add another four feet onto that. So that would make the first um floor of livable space at 15 feet. Um, so I know there's been concerns up and

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down the coast about how that will um kind of affect the landscape of our communities going forward. NJD has released a new model flood damage prevention ordinance incorporating these rules. Um, which

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personally I find a bit frustrating because you all recall not that many years ago we had to adopt a new flood ordinance. Um so uh with the model they um put forth at that time um I believe

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uh they're requiring u municipalities have until January of next year to adopt the new uh model flood ordinance. Um most uh towns I work in are kind of they haven't been um you know running to

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adopt it. They're kind of waiting to see what happens. And I think that's how I've been directed in Belmar. Um, that's really really it. Just a general overview. Um, if you guys have any additional questions, I will try my best

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to answer them. Yes. >> Um, is there training that people on relevant committees should be taking to make sure they understand these? Uh every once in a while there'll be a

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um webinar but there has not been any like full training for this zoning you're planning nothing >> correct >> what can we provide for them so that they understand the changes

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>> so I have gotten um quite a few phone calls as your floodplane administrator from people that are mostly um you know, either interested in selling or buying a property or thinking about um

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making any new improvements to their property. Um if you have a complete permit prior to July 20th, you're grandfathered into those old rules. So, I know um in a number of towns people are, you know, even if they don't plan

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on doing any work until the fall, they're kind of trying to make sure they have um those permits complete. Uh but I've been providing as much information as I can when people call me. Um

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I I can send you all some additional information. Um the D's website is there. >> I think it's incumbent upon us to make sure we put together all the materials and put them out as quickly as possible for the public and like I said the relevant committees so that we're in

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compliance with state law unless it's overturned um >> yeah I know um we met with the former commissioner while he was in office and I asked a lot of questions I know the

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boardwalk would have a problem that if a storm wipes it out um there would be any issues But can you remind me of what it would be like for a building on Main Street if they have to rebuild anything if after July 21st there's will there be an issue

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there? Um there are some it it dep it depends on the type of building and the elevation and you know I I so I can't tell you just generally because the flood rules are very you know

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>> is it something specific? Is it something where if they're keeping the the underlying structure, they wouldn't have to >> if it's a substantial improvement, so it >> cost um over 50% of the assessed value

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of the structure. They would need to come into compliance with the regulations. For commercial structures, that doesn't necessarily need mean elevation. There are different types of um flood proofing that you can do.

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Yes. Question, but initially you're saying if someone knocks down a home after July 21st, the first floor has to be 15 ft. >> Well, so that was just an example. If you're in the special flood hazard area with um a base flood elevation of 10,

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which is what is pretty typical if you're in a flood hazard area in Belmar today, then yes, instead of 10, it would be 15. >> And then what if you wanted to build multiple stories? like how does that work? >> So that is um something that

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>> that um you know the burrow will need to contemplate um whether you know we increase the overall permitted height or you know people are >> and then what about the homeowners now? Do you think that this will impact

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homeowners insurance or flood insurance in some way for us current homeowners who have homes that are 3 feet 5 feet above sea level? So this is separate from um flood insurance. Uh your flood

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insurance is still based on the FEMA effective maps. um this theoretically could reduce your flood insurance premiums because it's requiring um you to build to a much higher standard than

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what um is required by the FEMA map. So if you know you had a substantial improvement and you were built to that new higher standard um it would not uh >> shouldn't change >> it shouldn't change.

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>> We also have to like ancillary updates like ramps. You have a ramp and you can go 15. >> How do you elevator? >> Oh, let's elevator, >> especially a flood zone. >> Elevators and flood zones are

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>> also a problem. >> We do all >> they're not easy. >> Yeah, but the ramp you're going to need >> a lot more. >> Yeah. >> Right. So it, you know, may affect not just not even a ramp, you know, if your house is five feet taller than it used to be. It may affect your setbacks, your

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um, you know, permitted area for porches and stairs even into your house. >> It sounds to me like there's a lot of work to be done on that. >> Thank you. I think some of the Yeah. So the height

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is one thing even after Sandy, you know, with home elevations. I was doing a lot of them in Manisquin. Manisquin actually raised their building height from 35 to 38 ft at that time because they those houses went up so much more than where they were. We're in a better situation than them. We have higher flood zone

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higher roads and the homes are t typically higher. But for a home to go from 9 to 15, we're going to be way above our current 35 ft height restriction. Um, so that's something to be discussed. And again, setbacks, steps, you know, steps down from rear

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decks, side steps, people that have, you know, side steps that are at grade that are going to a driveway. Those are major implications that are going to affect everyone. Um, and I think you've answered Mrs. Kenny's question is that say I built a home last year and it was in a flood zone X not required to have

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flood insurance these now change I'm in an AE zone 10 or whatever it is or 15 technically it's not going to be a FEMA requirement to get the flood insurance they because these are the D >> correct so even today uh Belma regulates

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to a higher standard than the FEMA um the FEMA uh regulatory flood plane and that's the state of New Jersey as a whole but um we regulate to the more restrictive of the best available data basically so that is the effective firms

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the effective flood maps and the preliminary flood maps and then the state of New Jersey has a 1 foot required of freeboard so that's above that elevation number so um there are properties in Belmar that do not require

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flood insurance are not in the FEMA regulatory flood plane, but when they come in to do work, we require them to get a flood permit and you know be built to that higher standard because they're in Belmar's regulatory flood plane. So,

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this really just expands that even more. >> So, let's go back to the legislative part of it. It was it was an executive order on the in January. It was challenged. It's now you know, allegedly

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going to be effective again in July. >> Well, no. So, it was it was signed, it was adopted, you know, signed into effect on January 20th, but at that point there was this 180day grandfather

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clause. Um, it is being challenged currently. Um, I do not have a status update on any of those challenges, but um, so we can only act under the assumption, right, that

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>> it will go into effect completely on July 20th. >> And when it's in effect in July, Belmar still has the option to not enforce it until January or not. Belmar is required to enforce it, but we have

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until January to adopt our new flood ordinance. >> Let me just back up for a second. The average homeowner, right, how do they right now know what their the level of their home

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should be if they they build a new home on their property? How will I find that out? >> So, >> how will I find that out? I want to know if I knock my house down today and I build another one tomorrow, how high must my house be? >> Where do I find that?

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>> So, as part of, you know, if you're hiring uh professionals, um or as part of your permit process, you know, when you submit permits to the burrow, we would let you know whether or not you are in compliance with our requirements. Um

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>> the requirements aren't posted anywhere or printed anywhere. >> We have the requirements, you know, we have our flood damage prevention ordinance. Um the D requirements are on their website. Um >> but there's no place I can go and say,

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oh 409th Avenue. Let's see. Uh you have to be uh 3 ft above. There is um we have we link to mapping which includes the uh these rules and then D has their own versions of that mapping. So you can if

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you're looking to find what flood zone you're in. >> We're able to do that on our website. Before we even talk about the real rules, I think it'd be nice to put something out to the public to say this is how you can find out where you are in this whole flood game and and elevation

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game that the D ising upon us. >> So, Burough does do that every year as part of um our requirements for the community rating system. Um I believe we will pro we usually send uh that information out over the summer. Um

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>> we're supposed to tell Does it tell each owner what they what their level is based on where they're located? >> No, but it gives them the information as to where they can find it or >> um >> will forrunner will 4Runner be updated

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to include this >> 4Runner has like a little toggle. >> Okay. So, to the mayor's question, um we do have a website where you can search an address and it tells you what's required to know what your property

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actually is at. You have to hire your own professional to determine that. >> So, I can't find out what my what if I have to hire what an architect. No, if you have >> you have you have to get a base flood elevation certificate by an engineer

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that's going to come in and survey >> that should be standard >> where I live and you you should be able to tell me what the base >> well because we don't know the elevation of your of your property. Why not? >> If I could just s your own.

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>> So to answer your question, if you purchased a house in a flood zone, you more than likely got a flood elevation certificate as required by your insurance company. >> So that homeowner that's in a flood zone may have that information as to what's

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their current first floor elevation >> and or they may have it on file in the building department. I think the issue is homes that were purchased and were not in a regulatory flood zone at the time that now as they,

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you know, are either um for sale or people just want to make improvements to them. That's where some of the issues are. Um when you purchase your property, even if you're not in a flood zone, you >> I have all the papers. >> You should get a you should have gotten

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a survey done. my property in 1946 and I can guarantee you there's no flood plane elevation included in those papers. >> But there you should have had a survey of your property which may tell you what the elevation of your property actually

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is because this is like a confusion on top of confusion because people are going to see this and they're going to say, "Oh my god, I have to go 15 ft." But then this will >> if you're not >> you got to know where >> if you're not making improvements to

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your home um you don't need to raise your home. It's only if you're doing anything that triggers the substantial improvement um which there is a whole process that requires you to have many of that much

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of that documentation as part of it. and then the council or the zoning. The other issue that's going to arise is we're going to have houses that are >> high and then you're going to have lows and then you're going to have high and then you're going to have low low and

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then you're going to have high. It's going to be, >> you know, >> well, it's just not >> I think I I think we're all hoping that the challengers to the legislation pull through. Write a letter, call your legislators, support the fight. Uh

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because this is jerass drastically affecting every town, mom of ocean, Kate May counties. Um it's going to, you know, affect home values for the immediate future. Uh and it, you know, it needs to be hopefully fought successfully.

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>> Is there any indication that the the Assembly and the Senate would not pass these rules eventually? The challenges based on the fact that the legisle can do this. >> So let's say they win the challenge and they say, "Oh, the legislature can do it." And the legislature turns around and says,

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>> "We're going to do it." >> Well, so there is there is also a resolution in the legislature um saying that these were not the DP overstep their authority and the legislature should be the um the appropriate body to

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craft um state legislation. Well, the the Senate President did a um had a whole hearing on this issue. What was it about a month ago? >> You were talking about it. >> Yeah. Um and as far as I know, it hasn't gone anywhere yet. So, I was very

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curious to see how much of that was moving forward and how much of it was I >> Yeah. There's a lot. It's unfortunate, right? Because this is something that

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dramatically affects every one that lives in any of these expanded flood hazard areas. Um, but I think everyone would like more information. >> So, that's what my next question was. Is there nowhere a website an updated like

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this is what's going on with the legislation today? There's no information out there right now. >> Perhaps something. >> I mean, you had mentioned D has the And these are based off of 100 projections. I believe like the worst case scenario projection.

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>> So they did um it's based on a Rucker study uh and they originally like I said uh it added an additional five feet of elevation. Um they went back I think there they got a lot of comments about

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them. um they went back and said they revised the science and based on um newer sea level rise projections they could reduce it from the five feet to the four feet and they did that in July of 2025.

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>> Yes. >> Quick question. What tools are surveyors using to determine elevation? Are they using GPS? I'm not a surveyor, so I >> Yes,

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>> you can use your iPhone to >> I don't believe your iPhone is as accurate as surveying equipment. I have a separate GPS antenna at my house and I get I believe uh accurate

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information with eight space vehicles, but that should be more than sufficient to determine the elevation of your actual property. And I believe the iPhone does use GPS to establish

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elevation. There's a compass function right on your gizmo. Check that. >> You can get a pretty good idea of the elevation of your property. >> It's not just the elevation of the property, right? Mayor, if you don't

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mind, I'm just going to open up to the public. This is not a concern of elevation of your the ground around your house. It's going to be reflective of your first floor. Okay? This just doesn't impact Elmar. It impacts everywhere. In my mind, when I think about these things, if you're driving

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through Lavallet or Seaside is going to be indicative of what not just this town, all of the towns will look like. >> Okay? You're going to have garages on the first level, high basement, and then the houses are going to be above. Uh

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Tony, I'll need to attempt that. I am the vice chairman of the zoning board. So, ultimately, we need to do something about this as quickly as possible. With that being said, I firmly feel that the D is negligent in this. Spring Lake is

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suing. Manisquan is suing. Mammoth County is suing. The New Jersey Builders Association is suing. Kate May County is suing. Ocean County is suing. I make the stance that this municipality doesn't roll over like a neighboring town has

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automatically adopted these rules. it to Kate to your point or Miss Donovan, it's going to drastically increase height requirements and restrictions in this municipality and it's going to change the demographic of of what we do regarding housing. >> Do you know because I thought that

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Spring Lake and Avon had filed with Mammoth County, not separate lawsuits? >> I don't know the answer to that. All I know is that um what I've seen on social >> it's a checkbook question, not a >> Well, I know Manisquan is leading. Look, their glimmer glass section there is a high concern, right? The concern for us

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really should be honestly is and this is my question for Miss Bell. >> If Main Street, okay, so how do you have first floor accessibility

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for boutiques, restaurants, etc. If you're in a flood zone and you have to comply with this base flood elevation plus four, >> can you can you do that? >> Commercial space is different. >> So what is the raise your commercial? >> Commercial space can do some flood

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proofing measures. Um, >> flood vents >> they it's like flood vents in addition to flood proofing. Um, >> I mean, >> so we're not antic we're not anticipated that we would have to change elevations

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on a main street, not just for Belmar, but in general, unlikely. >> I don't believe so. >> Because I mean, if if that was the case, we're talking handicap accessible ramps. We're talking nothing on the first floor. because I had asked the the

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former commissioner that exact question and he came back with the watering one. It was interesting too if you look here >> feel like not in a good way either. Um but uh it's not comparison for her. Um not all of Main Street.

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>> No, but a good From what street? Uh north >> from from which street north there, Caitlyn? Can we tell? Do we know? >> So there we go. It is >> approximately. >> Yeah, we start around 13th and go up >> 13th going north

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>> would be impacted. >> Yeah. >> And and every home from the street >> and then all the projects that we have ongoing in this municipality right now, what are their requirements to comply? So they would be if you know they have

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their approvals already um they would be >> grandfathered >> grandfathered >> grandfathered approvals. You need a building permit or approval. You need zoning and land use. >> You need your uh like D flood permit

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app complete doesn't need to be approved. It needs to be deemed complete. And can you just clarify again so again people that don't understand you mentioned uh substantial improvement uh it is 50% of the assessed value of your

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structure only. >> That's correct. >> The construction cost. Uh so if you're you know and all of our structures have been reassessed and now they're all worth more and the taxes have been adjusted all those things. But so if your home is assessed at $800,000, you

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can do up to $400,000 worth of work without having to comply with the new rules. If you do $41,000, your home has to go up to the right uh levels and comply with the flood zone. >> That's correct. >> Thank you. >> But but Miss F, you would agree that the

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land values in this municipality are assessed significantly higher than the structure. >> Absolutely. So, um, >> and that's what's alarming to all of us, >> okay? Because you're selling million and a half dollar houses in this town where the assessed values on the structures

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are 200 grand. Okay? And then the lands assessed at $750,000. >> 800 was a very high number for these structures. >> We do. >> Okay. >> So, um, that is correct. Uh, an alternative if, um, you know, if you

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were to do a project that was a substantial could be a substantial improvement based on um the assessed value of the structure. Um a developer, a property owner is always able to um get a you know

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licensed appraiser to submit their own um assessed value of the structure if they believe you know the number and the the tax value is not correct. With that being said, then would the municipality

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would the municipality reassess based on the based on that appraisal? >> Perhaps once the work is complete, >> I'm saying before, right? So, this is something else that has to be strongly considered, too. You don't want to go and do that and then have your taxes go

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up significantly until your renovation costs are completed. your hands are tied. I I know that firsthand. I I look every day because it's directly impacting what I do and um most people are not aware of these

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changes. Hopefully, they get, you know, shuffled down the road and and we deal with it in a couple years, but it's going to it's going to change every municipality down the road. >> Yeah. Um, and I do know perhaps the mayor can speak a little bit more, but I

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think it was um, kind of referred to basically every southern Mammoth County coastal community from Bradley Beach to Manisquan. you know, including Belmar, Bradley Beach, Avon, Belmar, Spring Lake, Seagar,

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Belle, and Manisquan are all in a little group where they're >> talking about uh talking about these issues. >> Asbury Park, >> um I just know the >> Yeah, the >> the group is the northernmost town is

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Bradley Beach. Sure. >> Asbury Park might be doing something on their own, but I don't know. >> Thank you. Can we keep it? >> I think we should keep it. >> Come on. I'll take a photo.

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>> Very interesting. Thank you, Christine. Next week we're going to have a discussion on global warming. I'm just kidding. Thanks Christine. >> Yellow's new >> orange in the yellow

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>> in the town in the city. question. >> The other question is what, you know, they're talking about raising the homes, but what happens to the streets? So now you have homes that are, you know, however high off the ground and now we have our streets are way down

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there >> and and that can't happen unless we adjust our you know max roof P height which I don't think is again that's how you end up with that you know bathtub effect as it's called in real est >> I have family down in Normandy beach and

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he's right that whole area after Sandy the houses are gi gigantic. The flooding is worth it. >> All right, Tommy. >> Yes, ma'am. The next uh item on our workshop is the uh hiring of our our new uh chief

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financial officer. Some of you may or may not know that uh uh our current CFO Lorraine Karafa will be leaving us uh sometime in June. And uh she's not here tonight, but I would like to uh take

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this opportunity to uh thank her for her service, her years of service. I mean, she's been a key member of my management team since I took office and I I always valued her opinions and advice uh pertaining to the financial

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management and our budget issues and uh I wish her the best of luck and a long healthy retirement. Uh which leads us to the um a posting was done recently uh for a new CFO. So,

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uh, if you know anybody who may want to do that, um, it's a good job. It's interesting and, uh, you know, please have them, uh, apply. Uh, just for the council's, uh, knowledge, I had was

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talking to, um, to, uh, BA Kaine, we we were talking about the selection committee, and I kind of changed gears a little bit with that. Initially, it was going to be myself and the burough administrator and council president um

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Kenny and April, but thinking that, you know, it's it's a it's a forward moving position, we thought it would be best perhaps if we had a you know, you're from the Republican side of this deis, we'll have somebody from the Democratic

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side. annually. It will include um Councilwoman Dunovan and April so that the the three of them can conduct the interviews uh and then advise the council uh you know one, two, three names or whatever and and work on it

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together as to to pick the new CFO. The CFO is the only position that I know of that must be filled in the in the uh in the municipality. So, uh, we we must have one. Uh, but there are some things we can do in in the meantime to cover

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any short-term vacancies. There's an ability to appoint someone who already who works here who has uh kind of the same kind of experience or um same kind of approvals and what have you. So, we might have to do that for for a little

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bit, but um you know, meet the uh the notices out and as we said, as we get resumes in, uh we will we can begin the you can begin the interview process uh so that there's no extended delay. Any

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questions? No, I would just say I appreciate, you know, the opening. I think moving forward I think all the four of us combined would be a good group also uh for the selection. >> We can't do four at one time, but I can only do two council members at a time, but >> understood. You know, so we'll have

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reports back, I'm sure. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Are you I'm not aware of the person you were referring to who you could appoint the interim. Are you going to share that information with us? I don't know if we we haven't mentioned

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it to the person yet. Did we? >> We have to work through that. Find out the exact details on where we need to do that. >> You may be a treasurer. That works for us. >> She her title is treasurer.

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>> So she's the number two person. >> Is that who you were talking about? That's what I was asking. It could be anybody. >> Yeah, but that I think that was the primary, >> right? But we'll work through that.

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>> Okay. One one last thing uh for the council to consider. I just want to bring it up because it always comes up at this time of the year. Uh I think you received a copy of a letter from a from a resident about the leaf blowers. It's always an issue. uh people don't like

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them. Uh they make a lot of noise and I'm just throwing it out to the council for a future maybe at the next meeting or no meeting after that or whatever. But I think people would like to see us at least discuss whether or not they

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should be banned. Should they have certain hours of operation? Should they, you know, should they not exceed a certain decel level? you know, I mean, I think these are all things that we could consider uh and you know, the decision

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is is ours. So, but I think I I don't think it's harmful to have that discussion. Uh and at least people will know that with not ignoring it. It is an issue. Uh the other side of the coin is that the uh you know the people who do the landscaping rely on it. You know,

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that's how they can do a lot of lawns and whatever very quickly, which which I agree with. Um, I'll just throw in my own editorial thing. As I walk my dog, I see four people, you know, with things from the same landscape blowing the same

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things all over the place when I was like, why do they need four people? Why can't they just use two people, you know, and I think that magnifies the issue, but again, uh, you know, it's I think it's worth discussing uh, and seeing what we want to do. Any the um

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the biller environmental commission h has discussed this before I think before the council um right before I came on I believe but um it's come up again in the context of the noise ordinance um and and the intention the environmental commission was actually to survey

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different landscapers to see what their capabilities were before we moved forward so that we weren't hindering anyone's if if we were to make a recommendation we weren't hindering anyone's ability to have their lawn done the way they would like. So, um, that was that was part of the conversation. >> Well, maybe that's a thing you could

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bring to that first if they want. Did they survey everyone? >> This has been an ongoing conversation. >> So, yeah, one step was going to be sorry. Uh, one step was going to be surveying landscapers to see what their capabilities were. Um, and the other uh

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was to survey residents before making anything because these anything like this should be done in accordance with the wishes of the residents because that's who we're here to serve. Um, I know that there are a lot of other towns that are looking into these. Some have successfully put in bans, some have not.

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It's all kind of all over the place. But if anyone has ever thoughts, please contact me. I I think they're both good ideas and we should explore it with the environmental commission if they want to do that and they should let the council know, yay or nay, if they're going if they're going

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to follow through that with that uh little project. Okay. Uh, I think we should move on to uh petitions. Do we have any petitions? >> Chair, I did not receive any petitions. >> Okay. Approval of minutes.

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>> Can I have a motion to approve the minutes of the May 12th meeting? >> I'll make the motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Anyone opposed? >> The reports of council. Uh, Councilwoman Donovan.

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Uh first I would like to say thank you to um our burough staff, our volunteers, and our fire department for beautiful ceremonies yesterday for Memorial Day. Uh thank you. Um the Belmore Environmental Commission presented its community energy plan uh for public

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input. Uh we are glad to have members of the public come forward to see the presentation and um if you missed it, it will be available on um the Environmental Commission's website. But this was to remind you that grant-f funded initiative to examine the burrow's energy use and recommend ways

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to become more efficient and save the burrow money. Um, we had the the first farmers market. I hope some of you made it out. Um, I spoke with vendors afterwards and everyone seemed very happy. Um, I encourage everyone to visit it. That

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will be Sundays in Piano Plaza. Um, and that is about it. Thank you also to the burough staff, our PD, our EMS, our DPW for the seafood festival. We had a beautiful weekend. I also hope that everyone made it out to that. And that is about it. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Um, Council President King. >> Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing. Seafood Festival was a wonderful weekend. Thank you to our tourism director, Jenna Van Nest. I think she did a good job her first year on Seafood Festival or is this her first or second year? I think first full year.

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But uh all our participants and the bands and our restaurants and obviously PD and DPW and everybody who helped make that success band younger. >> My guys wearing that. >> Oh, I thought that. All right. So, recreation Friday night

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concerts are every Friday 6 p.m. This Friday the 29th is Dragonfly. Oldtime baseball game is coming back. The 1864 rules. It's going to be held on June 13th at 11:00 a.m. The game will be played on Memorial Field on 12th and Railroad A. Teams will be the Mammoth

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Furnace versus the Hoboken 9. Uh movies on the beach are going to start Wednesday, July 1st at dusk. Location is 7th Avenue and July 1st. Dusk is like 9:00, guys. So, just be careful if you have young kids. First movie is going to be Ratatouille. Summer basketball

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signups end June 7th. Summer tennis lessons for kids and children are still going on. lessons will start the week of July 6th. Kids running club signups are still going on and the rubbing club will start July 8th. Completion of the Dempsey Park basketball courts should be

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done soon. Girls middle school league will start their season on June 22nd. Games start at 5:00 PM. And Marina Mabry, who is a Belmar resident and plays in the WNBA for the Toronto Tempo, purchased a floor

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cleaner, scrubber, uh, donated it to Belmore recreation and will be used to maintain the gym floor. So, thank you so much to Marina Mabberry. Um, Shade Tree Commission is doing a joint meeting with the environmental commission. When is that? I was going to

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ask you then. Is that Jul? Is that June 11th? Is that the third meeting? >> Okay. So, stand by for council Donovan. >> Yes. >> The June 11th, right? And that's going to be a joint meeting between the Shay tree and the environmental commission. I think it's going to be here or at the library.

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>> I know library >> library at 6:30. Yeah. Uh the graduation banners have been ordered and I'm sorry if you missed the deadline which was the 21st, but they should be um out for print now and DPW I think is going to

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try to get them up by the first week of June hopefully. Right. That's the plan. Okay. And then the last thing I have is St. Rose High School graduation is this Thursday, May 28th at Mammoth University. And their scholarships again exceeded like 20 million for all the

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kids that got money to go to all the schools that they they were, you know, promised potential scholarships for for all seniors. So, congratulations to all our seniors. And that's all I have. >> Thank you, Councilman Delasio. >> Okay. Uh planning board meeting did not

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happen last month, but we do have a meeting on June 15th. uh Harbor Commission did a walking tour last week. Uh we took a look throughout the front. We walked from uh courthouse down to the marina and all the way down to the boat ramp. Uh which was very, you know,

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informative. Um we talked a lot about the eye dock uh which is the closest dock to Marina, I'm sorry, not Marina Grill, uh NightFier. Uh some of the fingers on it are the finger docks are sideways or turned upside down. Uh there's actually a bid out right now for

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that to be demoed. Uh in the meantime for this summer, we did request them to be moved so it doesn't look the way it uh kind of disheveled and make sure we had enough safety in place. Uh we got a really good report on the boat ramp. They added some sensors so it's easier

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for people to back in and be able to pull out without the gate closing on them. I know that's been a problem for um for some boat uh trailers. Um they did note over by the uh the token

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machine which is still cash only and no change where you do you get quarters so be careful. Uh there was an ATM machine there. The ATM vendor throughout our town opted not to put their ATM back there. So I didn't bring this up to uh BA Kane or or maybe we could talk to

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that vendor about putting ATM back there because we do have a cash only machine right next to it. I'm not sure why it got pulled. Uh Jay wasn't sure either, but something to discuss. Uh putting an ATM back in. I don't think there's an ATM in the marina at all anymore. There's not one by Marina Grill. Uh

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maybe 9th FP cuz they're cash only sometimes. >> Fisherman's Den, >> I'm sorry. >> Fisherman's Den's got one. >> Fisherman's Den has an ATM. Okay. So, if we need it, that's what we do have one there. Um the next harbor commission is June 9th and that'll be at 6 p.m. And again, just to say that we had a very

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eventful last couple weeks. uh seafood festival was a great turnout, perfect weather. Uh Memorial Day was not perfect weather. We had a very rough weekend. I did take the opportunity of a rainy day to go meet with our lifeguards after the beach safety presentation. Uh they were still out there in full force with no

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beachgoers sitting in the rain all weekend. Uh and just a reminder that lifeguards are not full-time throughout the week until June 12th. So Monday through Thursday there will be no lifeguards. Uh it'll be Friday, Saturday, Sunday until for a few more weeks until we can enjoy the beach every

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day safely. That's it. >> Thank you. Um Councilman Moroni, >> um the um ADA uh uh committee is going to have their

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anti-bullying and awareness on July 14th. We worked with Barry Tro on that. So that's going to be the date. I don't remember if I gave that date last meeting. Um, we're going to be meeting early in June to start the planning process for that. Um, and apparently it's been a very successful uh program

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in the past. So, I'm looking forward to my first year getting involved with that. And that's it. >> Okay. Thank you. Uh, I just have actually two things. The first, the seafood festival was very good. And of course, mother nature um you know went

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along with us and and let us have two and a half beautiful days. So that's always a a good omen. Uh the second thing is um I'm holding up something here. It's an order from the court and

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this order was worked on very very diligently and hard by by us on the council and our redevelopment attorneys. This order is the final order granting us third round

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judgment of compliance and repose. Okay, this is very significant and um it represents a lot of very very hard work. So I just wanted to let you know that we actually have that

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we're waiting for that same order for the fourth round. Everything has been approved by the court. Uh and the only thing we're waiting for is the court to essentially produce this document.

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uh for the fourth round. Okay. So, uh we're we're inquiring to see if the the judge will do that soon, but when I get it, I will sit here and hold that up also and say, "And that's the end of the fourth round." And that will we actually

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have completed our constitutional uh obligation to meet our affordable housing requirement per the Supreme Court directive. So that's all I have at this point. So let's move on to the uh

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public session. Public session will be on all of the resolutions that are on the uh agenda. Please be sure to limit your comments to 5 minutes if possible. Thank you. Any comments?

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>> Public comment on resolutions. >> Resolutions. All the any other resolutions that are on the agenda? Yes. >> Okay. Resolution uh 2026-101 Eugene Kamemer uh 4th Avenue resolution 2026-101. Uh first paragraph

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um please change uh River Road to River Avenue. I think we've been through this before, mayor. U River Avenue is east of the railroad. River Road is west of the

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railroad. Um there's a big map in the hallway over here, right next to this room. You can check it there. It's River Avenue. can make that modification necessary. >> Okay. >> Just a general question, mayor. Uh

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that's in reference to submitting a uh I guess it's a sewer extension permit. Uh is that going to connect up to 8th Avenue and everything go down 8th Avenue? >> I don't know. I don't know if our our engineer happens to be uh having nothing

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to do sitting with us here. He nodded. Yes. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> I'm just wondering these are going to be fivetory buildings. >> Yeah. It's going to connect to 8th Avenue and head towards the beach, >> right? And a lot of us live in one and

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twostory homes. >> Now, we know that toilets on on fifth floor will flush. Does that mean our toilets If the if the pipe gets stuck stuff stuffed up or something, does that mean the water then backs up into our homes?

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>> I am not a plumber, but I believe there is some kind of a valve that is supposed to prevent that. I don't know. It's beyond my expertise. I'm sorry. I don't think >> this is what happened uh in the aftermath of Sandy. We actually had

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toilets with the water coming up and and making messages on the lower floors of the building >> and answer your question, but we'll make note of it. >> I don't know if that Jim, do you know that that that's not a usual situation?

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>> It would be very unusual. You'd have to have multiple lines that were clogged for that to happen. Um, similar to after Sandy, it wasn't just one sewer line, it was several sewer lines. And I would venture a guess that the pump station may not have been working either. So to

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answer your question, no, there's zero chance that you're going to see >> unless we have a stand or bigger. Yeah. >> Right. >> Any other um any other comments? Okay.

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>> Motion to close the public session. >> I'll make a motion. Second. >> All in favor? I >> can I have a motion to approve the resolutions as listed on the consent agenda with also includes resolution

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2026 101 being amended being amended to save River Avenue. >> Motion >> second. >> Counciloman Donovan. >> Yes. >> Counciloman Kenny. >> Yes. >> Councilman Delasio. >> Yes. >> Councilman

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>> Yes. >> Mayor Mafesco. Yes. >> Next we have um resolution 2026 1110. This is a resolution authorizing the issuance of plinary retail consumption license to client's fish market for

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period ending June 30th 2027. Do we have a motion to adopt this resolution? >> April, I have to abstain from this due to the fact I've worked on this restaurant and also my son works there. >> Same. My daughter works at climbs and I have to abstain.

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Make a motion. >> Motion. >> Second. >> Councilwoman Donovan. >> Yes. >> Council member Moroni. >> Yes. >> Mayor Bafasco. >> Yes. >> Next is resolution 2026 1111. Resolution authorizing the issuance of a club

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license to the order of the friendly sons of Challei for the period ending June 30th, 2027. >> Motion >> second. >> U Mr. I believe Mr. McIll had um clarified that

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uh my husband is a member of the Challes. I know yours is. I think he clarified that was no longer a conflict. Oh, I thought it was. Okay. Is that considered a conflict? >> I don't know what you're thinking is. Do we have enough votes? So, we do non-conlicted votes yet.

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>> You could have stayed. We still have three votes. >> Council you're a member, right? >> I'm a member. >> Okay. Um, so, Councilwoman Kenny, >> yes. >> Councilman Delasio, >> yes. >> Mayor Mcfuskco, >> yes.

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>> Okay. Um, so next we go on to ordinances. The first one is ordinance 20266. This is an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 40 development regulations section 7.24 signed. This is open for public hearing.

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If anyone would like to comment on the ordinance, please step forward. State your name and address. >> Okay. April. >> Can I have a motion to close the hearing? >> Second. All in favor?

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>> I >> can I have a motion to adopt ordinance 20266? I'll >> make motion. >> Second. >> Councilwoman Donovan, >> yes. >> Counciloman McKini, >> yes. >> Councilman Delasio, >> yes. >> Councilman Moroni, >> yes. >> Mayor Mcclesco,

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>> yes. >> Next is ordinance 202610. This is a bond ordinance providing for various water sewer utility improvements and the acquisition of water sewer utility equipment appropriating $192,500

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and authorizing the issuance of the same in bonds. This is open for second reading and public hearing if anyone would like to comment on the ordinance. Can I have a motion to close the public hearing? >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? I

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>> and a motion to adopt ordinance 202610. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Councilwoman Donovan, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Kenny, >> yes. >> Councilman Delasio, >> yes. >> Councilman >> yes.

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>> Mayor Bucklesco, >> yes. >> Okay. Uh, next we have ordinance 20269. Uh this is a bond ordinance providing for various capital improvements and acquisition of capital equipment appropriating $2,448,345

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and authorizing the issuance of bonds in the amount of $2,379,783. Uh this ordinance was tabled from the last meeting. Um, after speaking with our CFO, um, she advised to put it on the agenda and asked the council to decide if you wanted to make any

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changes, if you want to introduce it or table it again. I I I mean, I would actually like to table this. >> I would like to table this again. Um I I first I have questions about I know we

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still have to do Sixth and South Lake and it would be my preference if we're bonding to bond for multiple roads because that is one of the biggest priorities we're facing as a burrow. Um I question putting $9,500 in a bond

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ordinance. Uh and just some of these we just raised taxes over 9%. Um, and so I have a lot of I I I just think we should be very very careful about how much more we're spending and I'd be curious to hear everyone else's thoughts.

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>> I had a number of conversations with our department heads. I don't need to go through that now, but there was there was quite a bit on this that um I thought should be pulled out completely and some that I think I agree would not be necessarily worth up on. I did get some reports from the court. I got reports from DPW. I got reports from the

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police. We don't need to go into that detail now. I think we can uh work through that. Um you know, one of the biggest ones that step, you know, stuck out of me is that the road some of the road improvements on 8th Avenue. Um we have two of the largest construction projects about to commence on 8th

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Avenue, whether it's at the top of 35, also 35 and uh 8th in Maine. I don't see how that uh you know doing streetscaping now, bonding for it is valuable. Uh when we're going to be ripping that road apart over the next couple years with with developments. Um

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>> I think we absolutely need to do the avenue as quickly as possible and I believe that include we've already done the um the water man there. >> This is for streetscaping. decision for that. >> I'm aware but um you know you do the the underground before you do the top but

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that's also includes a bond and rather a grant that we have to use for it. So I I wouldn't advise >> sorry >> question for Mr. Is that 8th Avenue subject to a grant

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that the >> And is there is there a um is there a time uh clock on that before we uh >> by there is a timeline on on the timeline to award a contract? Yes. >> Okay. Are we still in uh Do we know when

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that is or >> It's typically two years after award. >> Okay. >> So, probably November. I'm I'm shooting from the hip, but I'm thinking it's like November of 27th. >> Okay. >> And remind me, it's not all of 8th a. It's ocean to sea.

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>> It's from ocean to D. >> Okay. Which wouldn't be affecting the uh construction of the top of 8th Avenue. >> So, and and well, it it well the the utility portions do the um have we established engineering estimates for this? Have we established any

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construction estimates for some of this work? >> Yes. the estimates were done as a part of the grant application. Um so depending on when you choose to undertake the project, if you push it to next year, bump it up by 5% at least. Um

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just because things don't get cheaper as we move into the following year. >> I just don't want to see what's happened to us in a couple of, you know, we don't have bids on it yet. We don't have design on it yet. um you know then we end up going out to bid and we get bids

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and they're over the grant application and then we're forced to approve that and take money from somewhere else. I'd like to see a little more detail on the project and you know bidding of it so that we can you know basically guarantee we don't go over this expense if I can just put forth two suggestions.

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Um last week, uh certain members of the council said they were going to reach out and get more information on what was going on and that would be shared amongst the council members. Um, I haven't gotten anything, but if you could please, if you if

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you're talking to department heads and they're giving you information about items that are on the the ordinance, please share that with all of us so that we we can make an informed decision at the next meeting. The second thing I think to be fair to the CFO is, you

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know, we need to figure out what you need to figure out which ones of these items you're ready to approve and which ones you're not so that we don't do this at every meeting moving forward. In other words, so if we can identify two or three or even one item here that

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everybody is on board with, you know, at least we know, well, we've got that done. If we know that there are items that are not going to be approved, then we know that those are done. And then if there are there's a third category which is like uh in between then those need to be discussed. I just want to you know

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get to the point where either we're going to do the bond ordinance for a number of these things or we're not going to do it for any of them or we're going to do it for some of them. So if we can come to the next meeting, you know, with some uh

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definite, you know, yes or nos or may uh I think it'll it'll it'll move. We can do that. You know, obviously we can't do that as a group uh through email because that would be a violation of the Open Public Meetings Act, but I think uh you could you could let April know, you

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know, I'm okay with, you know, 1, three, five, and six. And I think she could put it all together so at least we can let the CFO know, you know, all right, these five things are ready to go. And she can make the decision if she thinks we should move ahead or not. But uh I think

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we we kind of like have to nail some of this stuff down. >> I did have you do that. >> I did have that Friday. I actually had a kind of my this is just my take it wasn't anybody else and I it kind of got missed by the CFO sheet and send it out. Uh we we were going back and forth. So and I do have the reports that I was

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going to share with the public but I think we could we could table that to to the next hearing and everything. >> Yeah. I think that I think that in the future too sometimes it's better to give it to April. >> She's on top of all this stuff. Thank you. >> Okay. Um Okay. So, is there a motion to

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table this? Is that >> We have a motion to table this ordinance. Uh it is um which ordinance is uh >> nine. 202609. >> Okay. Second.

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>> Second. >> Councilman Donovan. >> Yes. >> Council McKenna. >> Yes. >> Councilman Delasio. >> Yes. >> Council member >> Yes. >> Mayor Blossco. >> Yes. Okay, now we're on to the regular public session. If anyone would like to make a comment, please step forward,

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state your name and address first. >> Claire Hainer, 18B. Um, I too am not a fan of the loud leaf blowers, but at the same time, I'm not a fan of the batteries exploding from the battery operated ones. So, when we start to look at the a neighbor's uh

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neighbor, I should say, where they used to live, um the garage burned out from the battery just exploded. >> Yeah. Yes. So, it's like ever since then, I've been unplugging them and and everything else versus leaving them all on the chargers. So, when we start to

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have the workshop on the um the noise, let's include the batteries, too, for safety. Thank you. >> Good point. Anyone else? I have a question. >> Please give us your name. is

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I designed at 213 and I'm about to replace the sidewalk, the garage. I had to fight for a permit and then I have to put $1,000 in escrow.

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The house is 21 years old. I figure I replace whatever is not uh efficient and I'm questioning if I get a permit because somebody has to come and check it out after it's done. Why do I have to

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put money in $1,000? I think that's uh an April question but it usually is to to uh guarantee you know performance. >> We discuss we discussed this it covers

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the engineering inspection that is done. >> Okay. So >> the permit fees only varies usually around >> those fees get deducted from the escrow. Yes. >> Correct. And then you get the balance back. >> I'm sorry. I thought it was from the

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whole panel, the legislature that does that. >> Well, yeah, they sent the ordinance that set the dollar amount. >> So maybe they should be visited because the sidewalks would cost a pretty penny. Things are not exactly

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and the $1,000 in escrow, it amounts to something. >> Yeah. I think I think what April was saying though is that the burrow incurs a cost to do the inspection >> and the other thing well that's it varies and that's why there's the espro

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an hour. >> It's it's easier to go the esper route than to come to you after the fact and say we need you know x number of dollars to pay for the for the uh inspection. So that espro is the way to do it. So it's

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And what is the fee for the permit? May I ask? >> I don't know. >> It start It starts at $65 and goes up depending on how much work is being done. >> Forgive me if I do not agree. >> Oh, you're you're entitled to not agree.

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>> Perhaps you should revisit it. >> I don't know if anybody agrees with all that. I guess everybody has money in this town. I don't know. I just think that it's extraordinarily high.

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>> Okay. >> We we we >> understand what you're saying. Thank you, >> Miss Mr. Mayor. Chair, >> um the the fee, we don't set the fee. I think that was set by ordinance, but um any money that's left over from an estro

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inspection is returned, right? >> So, inspection and it's $250, then the applicant would get the $750 back. >> Yeah, I think we tried to explain that also. Okay, come on up. >> Lea Mars 605 ocean. I have two beach

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related questions. First, this weekend is the volleyball, right? A lot of things been happening at the shore and I'm just I know that you guys talked about when you did the presentation that they're going to have their own security. I know Belmar PD is

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on top of things but >> we're also going to be there. >> Yeah, that's what I you know given the circumstances just was curious. The other beach question is seventh a we have uh a breeding area a nesting area for birds and my recollection from the

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birds breeding two seasons ago was that that extended well into July. Now they were down closer to the ocean that year. Now they're up and they're right. So I know you said June or July 1st is the first movie on the beach. Has there been

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any consideration about maybe moving that? I mean, because of the area that's >> it's fenced off. If you take a walk up the seventh, you can see it. >> I just The birds don't mind. They're very friendly. We talk to them every

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day. They like people. They They realize that people being around actually scares away their predators. >> But I just >> honestly didn't even think about it. I could We could consider it. >> Yeah. And there's another area cuz I know the beach is wide there which is part of why it probably was chosen for

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the >> Yeah, we've done them at 5th. We've done them at 7th. I think we were we did they do them at 10th ever? I'm sure we can if that's still happening. >> Well, right because I based on D like we don't have any control over how that

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gets set up. Correct, M. >> Correct. >> Right. So, you know, we're working with them and you know, frankly, I came up here and asked about it last time about this legislation that may or may not happen, but you know, if they're going to start looking at how um just to wrap

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up on this with the birds because we've got at least two areas that I know of that the D is roping it off. We can't use it. We can't sell badges and people can't sit there. I'm just wondering down the line if we are to come into a circumstance where we have to produce

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these uh not only beach revenue but then projections who would be the party that would take a look at that and see what impact that might have on our projections because it could be a significant projection change

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if it extends through a large part of this the season. >> What is their season? >> Yeah, I don't know. Mhm. When do they hatch or fly away or >> My recollection is they hatched late in I mean I have videos of them. I could tell you the date, but it was late in

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July of 2024, I guess. And the only reason that they took down the ropes is because sadly the bird chicklets, whatever they're called, they got eaten by a fox. And so that was the end of that. They came, took down the ropes, and that was that. But I

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mean, if they had survived longer, they could have been up for pretty much the whole summer, at least into August, cuz it was very late in July, and they were still not flying yet, which is how they got eaten. So, >> I'm going to let BA Kane wander into

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this conversation. >> I don't have an answer. I'm just wondering. >> No, no, he has some he has recent developments. >> It's monitored on a weekly basis. I mean the EP just is always at the beach and they look for sign nesting and

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>> no rope at all and and but the birds have had an issue with the fox for for quite some time and it's a it's an ongoing thing. Um when they see activity they try to protect the nesting >> but >> absolutely >> sometimes it doesn't last that long and

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then they're sleeping. Do you have any comment if we were to be part of, you know, some kind of D oversight based on the beach utility? >> How would that figure in? Like >> I think I think the um the question you're answer you're asking is

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basically, you know, why does the D have the right to say what what we can and cannot do on the beach? And that's very simple. The beach is not ours. >> I know that. So >> if we have to produce numbers for protection, >> they're going to say we don't need to

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produce numbers that we you know the beaches there is a public trust and you know we sell x number of badges that's fine that goes into the into the utility and we use that money to to uh serve the beach. If we make less money then we

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spend less next year. It's just it's just a you know it's an in and out thing. understand that. But people in the state legislature that are not from beach towns, they don't understand that and they're making it out like these I mean there's a lot of narratives surrounding it. These beach towns are taking in all this money and it's you

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know who knows what they're saying to people but there's people throughout large parts of the state that don't have any appreciation for what the beach operation is. And I'm just thinking about the impact of I mean the birds are there. Those are areas that are roped

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off. We can sell badges. >> We can sell badges. You just can't go in those areas. >> And fortunately, we have a very large beachfront. So, >> we do, >> you know, if I wanted to argue the other side, I would say, you know what, that little bit of area is not going to impact your your revenue because people

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will just go to they'll go to sixth Avenue or they'll go to 8th Avenue or they'll go to second. >> And who's required to enforce that? The lifeguards. Who is required to enforce that up on the beach? Are the lifeguards required to enforce that? Who who comes in? Who's who's the bird police up there? >> I mean, I think people My experience I

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live right there, so I see everything. My experience is that people are very respectful. They're interested. There's not any issues. When there were a lot of kids on the beach last week when it was nice, the kids were playing ball, whatever. It didn't seem to bother the birds. They like people, but >> birds were there first. That's the deep

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piece. >> You know, curious about what what kind of impact that might have. And >> I I think the >> No, you missed the ordinance. you can only do ball sports and that's the area where the birds are. So, it's just another thing to >> Well, we'll move the movies. We'll move

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the movies if the birds are still there. >> Yeah, I >> we'll figure it out. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I just I wanted to say thank you to everyone for the memorial uh ceremonies. I feel like in I have a suggestion that might involve um bringing in the

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elementary students as part part of the festivities maybe a choir uh they have their own marching band. I know this was done in the past. I know we have an opportunity November 11th would be Veterans Day this year. Uh maybe we

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could read the names. We have I think 14 names on our plaque that gave their lives for us. And I >> think we've done all that in the past. Um, I know we've had the the uh choir from Belmore Elementary School. I don't remember exactly which holiday it was.

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>> Veterans Day. >> Yeah. >> Again, that the kids would appreciate as something they can grow into. >> I'm all for it. I should definitely. >> Any other comments?

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>> Okay. >> I have a motion to close the public session. >> I'll make the motion. Second. >> All in favor? >> All right. And next we have our last resolution 2026112 resolution permitting the council to

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adjourn into executive session. Whereas it has been determined by the burough council that it is necessary to discuss the following specific matter at its regular meeting in the absence of the public. Attorney client privilege matters impending and potential litigation. Whereas the open public

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meetings act permits the burough council to exclude the public from that portion of a public meeting during which such matters are discussed. Now therefore be it resolved that the burough council shall recess into a private executive session from which the public shall be excluded

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that the scope of the enforced executive session shall be limited to the matters as stated that those matters discussed in executive session shall remain confidential until such time as the need for confidentiality no longer exist as determined by the burough attorney. that

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minutes of the closed session shall be taken and kept free from public review until such time that the need for confidentiality no longer exists and that the regular meeting shall resume after the private executive session at which time the burough council may take action in reference to the topics

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discussed. We have a motion to adopt this resolution. >> Motion >> second. >> Councilman Donovan, >> yes. >> Counciloman Kenny, >> yes. >> Councilman Delasio, >> yes. >> Councilman Moroni, >> yes. Mayor Tusk.

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>> Yes.