Okay, Gary, I'm watching you. Okay, my name is Jim Sherik. I'm the chairman of the Delmare Shay Tree Commission. So, uh, Gary invited us to have this meeting together so we could share, as I always say, share u things
of mutual concern. I thought it was a great idea that I think Gary had it. We both kind of agreed it would be a good idea a few months ago. So, here we are. But I'd like to get through since we're the host commission, I think our rules will apply. We go by Robert's rules in case anybody's interested. So I just
want to get the um what we have to do for ourselves and then we'll go into the regular business. So I just the open public meeting statement. The meeting is being held in accordance with the open public meetings act and the following. A notice has been provided to the public municipal calendar is publicly available
on the Belmont website in the coar. Anybody got co-star? Today there was a notice uh that we were meeting jointly here today. Both commissions were meeting jointly. So I'm glad I thought of that a while ago. So that's good.
Okay, I I'll accept the meeting. The April meeting was uh cancelled because of Arbor Day which was the very next day. So we canled April's meeting. So we have to go back to the March meetings. Uh, I provided a copy. Everybody, everybody from the Belmont Comm, the
Shade Tree Commission should have had a copy that Gary sent you. So, I'll accept a motion to uh accept the meetings in the motion. Motion to accept it. Second. Okay. All in favor? I I Okay. Okay. Uh, I'll now I'll accept a
mo Let me just read one thing. Um under the public comment section members of the public may speak during the public comment portion of the meeting. Comments are limited two minutes per speaker all by Friday's concerns or issue should be sent to the shade tree. Email
sharetreebelmont.com to formalize the issue. Now I'll accept a motion by members of one of the members of the shade tree to postpone the agenda and go to review. Okay. So I'll make a motion to suspend the regular order of business. Second. All in favor? Okay,
Diane, the floor is yours. Hi everybody. Thank you for welcoming us. I'm Diane Valu. I'm with the Shay Tree Commission. I'm with them, but I'm part of the environmental commission. Um and um we appreciate the opportunity to see the other commission and kind of see if
there's some common grounds, projects that you're working on that we might be able to help out with or things that we're doing that you might be interested to ask questions about or do be more involved. Um I I have just a quick list um that I'll go through because one of
our members went to the library and he's going to be late and then we'll introduce everybody once he gets there. Um on the Belmar website is the environmental resource inventory and this is um it's a comprehensive list of all the resources in the natural
environment of Belmont. So, that's something that our commission updates periodically. And that's meant for planning purposes for the community, for homeowners to see and kind of take into consideration when they make choices about construction and landscaping and different things like that. So, that's
that's one. Um, over the past, I guess year, we got a grant from Sustainable Jersey for our green team and we use that to purchaseformational brochures, which I brought a selection for people to take a look. These are things we're going to be distributing in the community. Hey,
Donna. Um, and also at some public events that are coming up because we want to try to get out. Um, we also used some of that money to bring in a speaker. Last Saturday we had a sustainable landscaping and garden workshop at the Taylor Pavilion and so
we had letting some people from outside. We also partnered with the Glomo Environmental Commission which was another nice opportunity to partner with people who have similar concerns and interests in the community. Um and we're going to we're going to follow up with that uh particular part of it which is
called Patchwork for Wildlife which is an organization in Lake Ko that's expanding it to Belmar and what they do is they give their neighbors props about their lawn management and their yard care. And the idea is to give people encouragement about sustainable
practices in managing your yard. Sustainable might mean things like having native plants or planting a tree. Any tree gets to point to that. Um and other elements to the way you manage your piece of property. And the idea is that we're a residential community.
We've got a lot of small yards, but if we all work together, we can change our common environment together. and that it reflects on the wildlife that comes through our area, the birds, pollinators, but also the people, the children, the adults, the people that that live here to work together for a
healthier environment. So, if anybody is more interested in patchwork, we're looking for volunteer lawns, like if you feel like you want to have your lawn evaluated, um, or if you want to be involved with talking to your neighbors about what they do with their lawns or looking at the principles behind the the
program to see what kind of practices, um, we might encourage people just consider it's not a question of judging anybody just a matter of suggestions to each other about possibilities make a healthier um I also want to mention that this year
Belma received the sustainable Jersey brun certification that's a communitywide recognition from a state organization and we had a committee of people several of whom were here um who worked on this with people that work for the town with the police and how it works shri you guys contributed point to
that as well with the things that you've been doing. So, it's been a collaborative effort and every two years we go to renew or improve our certification and it kind of gives a guideline for the town as to different things to consider again for a healthier community. So, that's all available on
their website. Um, we have a beach cleanup that's happening, a lake cleanup this Saturday if anybody's interested. Um, I think it's at 11 at Silver Lake and we're always looking for volunteers. And the final piece I'll mention that I want to go around and introduce ourselves is Silver Lake. We've been
working really hard to try to support the health of Silver Lake and um the kind of things that have maybe changed over time in Silver Lake. We had a harmful algae bloom last summer. We've had some invasive plants. We've had some invasive species down there. So, we've been working really hard as a committee
to try to find resources coming into that water. And we're happy to know that the US Corp of Engineers is going to be coming in over the next year. And they're going to send a fleet of engineers to evaluate the conditions of the lake and its surrounding environment. And then what kind of
things do we need to do? Hi, Matthew. Um, in order to bring to bear that. And so that that's that brings to our community u $250,000 of work from the Army Corps, brings the expertise of the Army Corps. the borrow will do some incline matching with that through our
public works through different volunteer hours but it is a benefit for all of us that's more than we can afford as a small town with a small budget so that's those are the highlights of what we've been working on which I wanted to share and now what I'd like to do is just go around so we can all introduce ourselves I wanted to wait till a little bit was
here for that piece so I introduced myself so this is the other Diana that's here and pull into the table because I'm sorry you there. I don't need to be uh get the
W40 out. We'll get there. Why don't Diane, why don't we stay with one committee? One commission rather. Okay. So, you do yours. I'll do Okay. Well, um Diana, as I said, this is Gary and Jerry. Hi, everybody. Um on the safet street commission before, so this
is great. And uh I spoke to Jim and Diana when I first joined the environmental commission because the work was just so symbiotic and you know we the environ environment is all trees and when you look at our lake in particular when we do the work around
the lake we putting in trees and shrubs. So we have to be connected you know in that context u when we're doing all the work with the army corp going forward so that we're in alignment and we wind up meeting the goals of both of the commissions in in terms of the lake. As
you all know my passion is that lake I'm enjoying the heck out of it and uh you know we've been getting great support and I'm looking forward to continuing progress and looking at some of you taking landscape up there and putting new shrubs and new trees. It' be a lot
of fun. Hi everyone, Don Padavano. I'm newer to the environmental commission um but excited to really determine how we can partner together. As Carrie said, we're working on many of the same initiatives in a different way. Um so looking
forward to working with you. I'm Ed Lancott. I live over on Fourth Avenue. Um been on for a long time. I don't remember how long since Mayor Prle 20 years maybe. It's been a long time. I'm the previous chair of the environmental commission.
My main focus now is all the chief. You're doing a good job. I'm just the chief goose. So yeah, don't underestimate all the stuff that Ed's done at the lake is with all the testing that that and the team have done is set us all on this course to get us the data that we'll be able to use at the Army
Corps. And there's a contracted people that go around that lake and really do cool things around the lake that people don't know. taking water quality measurements, chasing the geese, working with birds, birds beware and everything. So Ed is a is one of the leaders there and I just think it's good that we
recognize that. So I said, I'm Fred the down 16th Street. I'm sort of new at this. It's been two years, I think. sort of figuring out things that I hope. Hello everyone. I'm Matthew D'Angelus.
I'm um been on the commission for a little over a year. Been in Belmar for about two years, lived in the area for seven years. Um I also serve in the Shark River Cleanup Coalition. I do water testing as well, except instead of the lake, we focus on the bay or the
estray. Um and my passion and interest is Sharp River and the area around El Street Beach and McClary Park and you know maybe doing things there in the future through the environmental commission as well. Um you know with all the amazing things are happening at the lake you know hopefully being a model.
I'm Caitlyn Badin. I'm the council lem to the environmental commission. Nancy you want to go? Yeah I'm Nancy Oraer and I've been on this commission for maybe six months. So I'm not really
uh Keith Quisler. I've been on the commission now two years, a little over two years. I'm Jim Sherik. As I said before, I'm the chair person now. Um I joined the commission about six years ago and I thought it was going to be nothing more than have the little kids on the head on
Aubber. Actually, it's grown exponentially. And as everybody knows, the trees, the the forest, as I call it, in the barrel, some of the trees are in real bad shape. Um, some of the trees have public safety concerns to the
commission. Uh, we try to gently go after people. Uh, we got a we got a grant, uh, like three years ago where we had a state certified arborist come in and look at every stood in front of every tree. No, every tree. although he might have missed one or two but anyway
and he he in my in my estimation he was too liberal he didn't condemn enough of them but we have to live with what he wrote so we're in a process it's been a long tedious program that Keith and I have been involved in and going reinspecting
and talking to people and conoling them and writing them letters and then writing them another letter and then writing them another letter and trying to get people to cooperate. Um, and you know, it's it's arduous, believe me. And nobody we don't enjoy going after people
and telling them, look, you got to take that tree down. You know, we know it's expensive. And but you know, the the state stats and the burrow ordinance, you know, placed a burden on on the homeowner. This, you know, people say, well, the town should take it down the
planting strip. But now under the U, what's the uh under MS4? MS4 we've been given private property trees which we didn't really want but we were given it to us. So we're in charge of almost every tree in Belmont. So it's
it's a difficult process and it takes a lot of um goodwill and it takes a lot of fast talking sometimes to talk to people. So we're in that process and you know I get frustrated and Keith gets frustrated with you know the attitude of
people. I I I'll just give you an example. One per I said to one woman on 12th 12th or 11th. Yeah. And she I said, you know, the kids walk back and forth in front of your property, you know, and you got a bad tree if the tree comes down, you know,
blah blah blah. And she said, well, can't you tell the kids to walk the other way? So, that's the that's the that's what we get, you know, besides now we're in charge of the, you know, replanting. When people take trees down, we're in charge of the replanting. what they put up, what they can put up, what
they can't put up. And that that's that's about it in a nutshell. Got ident we've I think identified probably I've got a system that there's about 90 some plus trees in Belma there public safety and about a year or so ago we did a
stump survey Gary. We identified 29 stumps that were never taken out which are a liability. We went after that and we were very successful. pretty much eliminated. I say 90% of them. So had a lot of success. Some people are
just like I ain't doing you know. So that's going to be something left to code enforcement eventually someday. You're up my man. Yeah. So last last but not least, so Harold Fidelli. I live on 12th Avenue. I'm on the shade tree
commission now for a little over a year. Um retired. Actually having a lot of fun with this. uh the as the responsibilities have been growing, the group has actually done a really good job, I think, of coalesing around what the needs are and and uh I think I've really picked up some some good momentum
um getting a little more facetime, a little more notoriety for the for the overall group. So, it's been it's been a fun process. I just want I should have got myself, Keith, and Harry are in the process of of revising the ordinance to, you know,
coincide with a lot of the other issues. The ordinance was a patchwork of about four or five different add-ons over the years. So, we're in a process now of going over that. We we're almost at the point where submitting it to uh George
McGill for, you know, legal review. So, uh but Harry's been instrumental, Keith, and I, you know, we've all contributed something, but it's that in itself is a is a task. We have one other person here. Yes. I was I was going to go to her
next. I know you said last but not least, but I'm still here. I'm Diane Calibies. I've been in town about three and a half years and I got on the shade tree like the second or third month that I moved in because I'm a plant geek and a tree geek and I love the environment
and I work mostly on um encouraging people to plant trees. Uh we do the beautiful program. And we just got another nice order for more trees, which is what I really want to encourage. Nancy and I just went to the
um historical society. We donated from the shade tree a dogwood. Uh somebody won it. She had lost her dogwood during Sandy and she was thrilled that she was chosen to get which a dogwood's a native
tree. Her name is Pat Molingo. Malango. Malingo. Yeah. N I don't know where she lives. on. So, she won it and we're trying to encourage people to plant trees and um is that a possible story to
understand? Um I it's really the um I guess it could be it was the historical society. So, and we did a it's a great story. Yeah, we were part of it. I know.
I know. So, that's that's what I do. I have a question. Who's taking care of the library? Oh, cool. That was my fun. That was a fun thing I did. I love taking care of those trees there. I like it. It's nice. Good. Help you. Let me know. As you know, we lost we lost John. Yes. And we
had a very clog in our wheels. The guy was a master. Yeah. He had a master's degree in horiculture, I believe. Yeah. He was a guy just I just got to give this guy a kudo because last summer did Yeah. Yeah, he helped us with Aubrey. He
had to for personal reasons he had to move out of town. But last summer before he knew he had to move out of town, he went down Main Street and pruned every tree on Main Street. He got up in the morning, did it himself. How you doing, John? I'm I'm good. I'm good. So I I
just John Rubville, he lived on sixth sixth agent. And he um you know, he was a really big loss to the shade tree, but that's enough. And we have Jody. And we have Derek Jody and Derek. Oh yeah. Yeah. The
council leazison to the like Kate the council leazison to the SH and the DPW. Right. Derek is our DPW layers. So anything we have to talk about here that he can bring back to Billy Buster who's been great with us. Honestly, Billy's
been great. So Derek is our messenger. He says don't shoot me. But you know we we send him in there. But Billy Musa has been great. He really has. Derek is also a goose wrangler. He's a what? We heard about goose wrangler.
Goose wrangler. He takes us out to the island. So that's that's kind of us in a nutshell. I mean there's a lot more but we won't there's a lot more but you know we won't go into it but u you know we have uh issues with the trees you know and uh the trees aren't getting any
younger and they're not getting any smaller. soldiers. Um, our biggest problem trees that I I don't know if anybody knows is what we call a London plane tree. It's a sycamore and it the bark peels and people think that's unhealthy, but it's a normal transition
as they go through their cycle every year. But those trees, a lot of those trees were planted in like 18, we have trees on night, you know, planted in 1899. So their lifespan is about 80 to 90 years old depending upon the environment
and everything. So those trees are way way over and you know we're just waiting for them to come down. So don't bark in front of them or they kind of hollow out in the center. Yeah, there there's a there's a method to that where they hollow out and they have to have at
least three inches all around. Other than that they're they should be condemned. But you could see how hollow they are by every squirrel in in the barrel, you know, visits them once a day and you know all that stuff. So Sigmore trees are big. And there's the other
ones too, but I think the London plane is about 40% or was about 40% of the population in Belmont, the tree population. And they're humongous and they're hu they're big and their limbs people like look at them. They're tall.
They're 35 40 feet high. But the limbs that come out from them weigh thousands of pounds. That's the problem. If they come down, you know, if they break off and come down in a windstorm or something, and they do come down. I have one more. Um George Williams, who is uh
on a business trip. I just want to get for the record his uh what he does. He's he's uh he's our grant guy. He does a lot of stuff for us. Uh but he is uh let me just read. I want to get him in
because he took the the Where the heck is it? All right, just give me a minute. Anybody else has something to say? I have a question about those sycamores. Are we going to try to replant the same type of tree or we No, I don't want people to plant them and strip them. Oh,
not at all. You know, I They're not indigenous to him, right? They're like from literally from They were gifts from like England. They're from London. Flint Park when when the queen I this is I hate you when the queen got buried they were taking a you know the the on
the procession through the park and it was all in flames there like I was like how many thousand did they give us they gave Belma like they're all over the state there was millions of them cuz I'm from Jersey City originally and they're right up and down my block you know like
they're all over they're in the Bron everywhere. I mean, they're very great for the first 90 years, but you know, uh, it's past that. Aside from being hollow, they expand. They push up the sidewalk around the curb and they just
overgrow the plant. So, our general policy is no planting in that strip at all anymore or No, it's not those trees. Recommended trees. There's a list of recommendations. On the website, we've got a list of preferred trees. Yeah. If we if people come up to us and they you know kind of like encourage or almost
make people if you want to take down a tree you have to plant the tree because we all know what trees do for the environment. I won't go into our day presentation but to the fourth graders but you know they photosyn they they take in bad air and give us out good
air. So I mean that's that's the whole goal of the environmental process. You know, we try to encourage people and then like we kind of pe people don't want to plant trees. They don't want trees in front of their house. They really don't like and you give them like the day lesson like how good they are
for the environment. I don't care. I want I don't want a trade. So now what do you do? Well, you know, and it it gets you get to bunk heads with people and everybody knows, you know, like dealing with people, you know, I dealt with people all my life, so I mean, I'm used to it, but it it gets difficult at
times and and we try to be benefactors and we try to be benevolent. We try to help people. Some people just don't want it. Some people don't want to hear it. So, some people don't want to spend the money, of course. But like one of the things George is working on and helping
the group with is trying to ultimately we want to get to where there's a master plan for the town for the trees that we have like an inventory of the trees the trees that may be falling into this category. Ideally you want to start pruning these trees and being ready to prune and then replace. So that's all
we're nowhere near that yet but that's aspirationally where where we need to get to. Let me read George's fire. It's George. This is from George Williams who lives on 9th Avenue where Gary lives and I live. Um, development, maintenance of the shady tree 5-year planting and maintenance plan. Development,
presentation of the annual shade tree operational budget to the mayor, which is important, review and submission of grant requests, partnership with the Belmar grant writer on retaining preparation, submission of annual Tree City USA certification for a day
foundation. Preparation and submission of the annual NJD urban and community forestry annual accomplishments report for the per purposes of maintaining state accreditation. So that's all part of tree city. You know that there's some
signs up in in town about Tree City. We we're a Tree City member. So George does a lot. I'm sorry. He's out I think he's in Scottsdale. He's he's one of the one of us who actually works for a living now. But Dian's got a question for you. Oh, I think sorry I didn't mean to
interrupt. No, that's all right. Um, I was had a question about what you were talking about the plan with the trees. Is it a possibility to include green infrastructure or other things besides trees in the plan? Is it possible? I would say probably possible, but it's already a bit of like trying to, you
know, solve for world world peace kind of thing. Um, it really is something that we need to get our legs underneath this with. How do you first establish the kind of the inventory and then the process for a replacement and everything else? I think you can that all logically
seems like fit in there. I'm just afraid it's just trying to fight off too much in in one type of thing. We got a lot believe a lot. I'm not asking you to put anything on your we could do with you to make it broader for the town. Yes. when
you're doing the information that you're well when you're gathering the information about Silver Lake, if you could give us a list of recommended trees from the Army Corps of Engineers or whoever you're talking to, it would
be helpful because it's such a unique spot. We do have a list of recommended trees for the community, right? But if you have any information or suggestions about what can be planted, arguably that would be different for the for the lake than it would be planting. Would it also
be different for McCclary Park or for Lake Como as well, different trees? See, the one thing we have to wor cognition of that trees on public property, there's a watering thing, especially for young trees. Yep. So, you
know, we we're very aware of that problem. Like we Gary and I and Lyn, who was a former member, planted some trees by the lake. Uh is it last year or two years ago? And I I don't think they used I used to lug 10 gallon of water. Weren't very successful, you know,
because young trees got to be water, right? But if you start with really small trees, right, they'll actually often do better. Even bare root trees sometimes do better. But If you if you plant an oak tree, you
would think it might do well, but those roots I don't know when you hit salt water, right? Like it's such a unique spot, right? So that's you know, you bring up a great point. We when we're in the shade tree, we have the whole inventory of all the trees around the lake and it's it's done by
um I don't know what it's latitude, longitude, you know, so you can every tree is already there. So that'll be going to the army corps. We'll be working with the army corps and then the native plant society will be looking all those people. So it is a real key area that we could work on. The other area
that I think will tie into what you guys are doing on the private property with trees is the patchwork is a nice link that if you could tie together the trees that are being done on the private property together what we're trying to accomplish with patchwork. We don't govern private property trees. No, but
we're we're just talking about encouraging people to plant trees. So you were saying that educating and things like that and then if you know of and then if you come across a property that has woo look at all the great trees this property has those are people we can publicize and you know things like that. It's more for an awareness of you
can actually have an impact on your on your property with the bushes with the bushes the shrubs and the trees that you put up in your garden uh for the environment in our community. Um, also you mentioned mcclary park. This the shade tree was the ones who planted all the trees in mcclary park all in a row.
That was about five years ago about four or five years. So I think what you're saying was we do the work on silver lake and we learn from the work on the silver lake and we leverage it there even though there's a bulkhead there. The native planting of the trees will tie in nicely there because that does I was just walking through there again the
other day and I know why you want to do some things there. Yeah, I can see. But isn't Silver Lake so unique because of the salt air and the wind and the like it's just so much harsher. That's why nothing's over by the gazebo. Like we can't grow anything there. Yeah. The first three blocks are the really
problem with the salt, the wind, and we need certain trees that will, you know, we planted trees across from the fishing club probably five years ago. And then I don't think any of those trees survive because you have to look at trees in the springtime the salt air and the young
buds they just suck that in the salt and it kills. We have learned and you've done a good job with saying which ones go for every A to B. So yeah on our list so we have preferred trees on the website and we have a list of salt tolerant trees. So if somebody wants to
plant a tree in the first blocks, we strongly recommend they plant a salt tolerant tree. Otherwise, right, loser, they'll be gone. And we work with um a nursery in Chesterfield called Fernbrook and they're very knowledgeable and they
give us a list of trees that will work in certain areas. So that's kind of helpful, too. Maybe you can go look to that beautiful Belmont Mar program that we offered just with Vern D. Yeah, we we're trying it
for the spring this time. We did the fall. Spring was a little little iffy. We did get um a total of nine trees. Um which was good. That's great. One less all Yeah. Kudos to you guys.
We, you know, we post, we try to do as much as we can on Facebook to encourage people to keep planting um and, you know, take pictures and put it up there and look what's coming and we've got 13 trees and what that's
education and encouragement is what we're trying to to do. Getting ourselves out there. Um, we take the little saplings from the Arbor Day and we put them in the nursery and we them and grow them. I got an acorn from
How are they doing, Diane? By the way, acorn. The acorn. No, no, the saplings from Oh, they're they're okay. But we got an acorn from Bradley Beach. Remember he and it was like this big and we grew it and it's what? How big? Nancy was ready to come out. Yeah. Really? Real.
But did Yeah. Did the Arbor Day dog woods have they sprouted? Oh, no. Not yet. I don't think so. I haven't been there in a week. Okay. Now, this was from the um Bradley Beach um Shade Tree Commission called and said, "We've got some little oaks,
little acorns." Yeah. Do you want them? So, I got two. One didn't make it, one did. So, we're trying to get people to and get the kids educated. And so, yeah, what we did with A Day, you know, we expanded the program with the with both
um um St. Rose on a day, they come over to the library and we have a we have planting boxes or like a little garden in the yard. That's what we're talking about. What Nancy takes care of. She waters it. Gary did and I did. We all did. But Nancy volunteered to water
because those trees when we plant whatever we plant on our day, they got to be watered all the time. Even with well, not so much now because of all the rain we had, but you know, they got to be watered. So, I mean during this the hottest days of the summer like we were going over there and
watering them. So, we did that and then we used to what we used to do was bring uh Belmont Public and St. Rose together sometimes at different times but it got to be too crowded. So, a couple of years ago we thought of the idea we went to the the public school Belmont Public and
we have planting boxes in the back in the yard and we did the same thing all the day. So, we do St. Rose in the morning. Uh it's a nice little ceremony. The kids like really, you know, like fourth graders, you can you could get
their attention and then um so then we do that at St. Rose and we use the the planting boxes at the library there. Anybody want to go over there and look at them? And then in the afternoon we go up to the Belmont public and we do the
same presentation in the auditorium and then we go out to the the field in the back with the fences in the back and they have planting boxes and we we try to get the kids like you know and they're fourth graders so they're they're pretty susceptible to our charms, you know, they they get along
with. So we we have a and it's really you know we like it. The the people that do it really like doing it. So it's it's great to do. It's fun with the kids, you know. It's it's a it's a fun day for us to be able to reach the kids, you know. So, you guys the other the two trees
that were planted on on the public school property, those are flourishing right now. The Oaken Front and the one other Oklahoma, they're flourishing. And um you know, we talked about trying to get publicity for the environmental commission. You know, one of the things is that when when we do these things, we're thinking like, do you put plaques?
Should we put plaques and say, you know, things just to get a little more publicity out? That's just something that um you know there's actually sometimes money for that. Right now we're getting you're working on another grant right now and one of the things that was signed is signage so you can get money to leave for signs that would
say you know maybe give more information of why you should move the geese or maybe you would have more information about the benefits of native plants or maybe it's just you know how great oak trees are in New Jersey that they're native trees and all the benefits. So you could kind of give them a short
little kind offormational thing and then put change commission on. Did you do the I'll call it the Belmar walk, but if you walk along that boardwalk, the treasure park. Yeah. And they have the plaques and the information. There's like the QR. Yeah. Third night. Thanks. So we
that was done years ago and then it was redone a couple years more recently. But yeah, it kind of gives people a little bit of local history. Um, but anything that like science can also be a way to share information like that with people as they come through. And maybe they'll think twice about littering because you,
you know, you talk a little bit more about how we don't we don't just don't want you to feed these swans because we just don't want you to feed the swans because it's not good for the swans. If you give them popcorn and potato chips and it's not good for them, they're not meant to eat those things. So maybe a little bit more in science. So we've
been over the past year or so, we've been really working with the grant writers, as you mentioned, try to come up with opportunities and then come up with ideas that things we want to support and then try to get the resources that way. Publicity is one of the things. So, we got a small grant for
social media consultant so that she can help us be better at explaining things to our neighbors, sharing information about what we're doing, not criticizing people, just trying to persuade them to think a little deeper about the choices that they make. So, those are things
that we'd be happy to share. That's why we're here tonight to talk about what we're doing, you know. So, yeah, because we do cross over a lot. Of course, you know, we can share the publicity maybe in some ways like we're trying to get information out about trees. We're trying to get information
about just this whole patchwork for wildlife, which includes planting trees. So, we're all on the same we're all on the next team together, you know, kind of thing. So, and these guys have these guys have shrubs, too. Yeah. Right. So it's no we haven't done we never did
much in trust but it's in the ordinance it's aren't we really have domain over the planting strip I mean if you read the ordinance yeah like you can't put a flower pot in a planting strip or there are numerous yeah you know I mean but
you know you can't like build a concrete abutman or you know but you really can't do it the plow planting strip is ours everybody knows what the planning strip is and when it comes to private property with I I don't know if you're familiar with the MS4, the municipal storm water.
A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. That came out last year. So, that gave us authority over private property. But we can't tell you you can't plant a apple tree in your backyard. That's not the point. But if someone wants to take trees down on their private property, they actually
need to get a permit. Okay? Uh if a developer wants to raise a house and take trees down, they need to now get a permit. provide a a diagram of what they're doing. We actually prove it and suggest, hey, you took three trees down,
need to plant three trees within the ordinance. Now, there's a uh a tree replacement fee. So, if you don't want to replant, state has DP came out with a a fee per caliber of the tree as to what
you need to pay to not replant. Where does enforcement come? Well, several like enforcement. Yeah, you're looking at them. No. Well, I mean like do you go and look at new development to see if they're abiding by the planning the planning board, zoning board, we're on
part of that technical committee. Okay. So, if a development comes out, developer will have a a whole plan and we'll be called in and okay, you got three trees here taking down. What are you going to do? That sort of thing. You know, there was my questions were
once the house is up, do you go back and look? Well, you know what? We haven't had the question. We're new into that game. But I'm I'm going to tell you we will because even the mayor has complained and numerous
people have complained that when people submit these plans to the planning board, there's a tree here, a tree here, and a tree here, and then a tree around the corner. And then when the tree is built and you go back two years later, those four trees that were in the the perspective, they're gone. They're not
there. And you could go down some blocks in this this town where there's a lot of new houses, none of those houses have trees in front of them. So you you know, it's hard for us to go back now and say, you know, dig out their plans from like 2005 and say, "This is what you
planned." But really that's that's why through Keith's effort honestly we went through the rigomearo with the planning board had it's actually in the the perspective that they had to fill out like and it goes into the trees like you're taking them down how right it when you go through a zoning a minor
land use application and it's denied you now have to go to the zoning and planning board there's a I don't have one with me but there's a lengthy checklist on every aspect of the new premises we're now at. Are you taking a tree down? Are you
planting trees? So, we get to kind of monitor that. Is that code enforcement, Jody? What do you think? It's not code enforcement. It's after the fact. I think it is like one year later after the house was up. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. There was a question as to whether we have the the
right to go on private property without the owner letting us go on. If there's a hazardous tree that's about to fall, that's a different story. So, it hasn't come up yet to be honest. We expect it will. We've had a few houses
that were they built a new house, they took the tree down in the planting strip and we notified them and essentially the builder has to take out a a permit and must replant during a period of time, 12 months. So, but this is all kind of the stuff that I referred
to before about the growing responsibilities of this community. Like a lot of this stuff sounds great and it all sounds very logical, but it wasn't in place. So the part that we're talking about now, I mean, Keith kind of, as James said, kind of worked with the planning board to to fight to just get
us into their awareness to say you have to ask this question because we're blind to it. Yeah. Right. The MS4 thing, they the state changed the ordinance. It wasn't like the shade tree committee was petitioning to say, let us be responsible for private property. If anything, we were saying we don't want
to be responsible for private property. The state comes back, updates the ordinance, and lo and behold, shade tree committee is responsible for it. So now we're scrambling to try to figure out, well, does that really mean? How much could we actually reasonably do? And that's been in place for years, but
nobody knew it till like what, January, right? And that's what Jim was referring to before about rewriting the ordinance because the ordinance now says they grab a piece, they stick it in. You grab a piece, you stick it in, and there's stuff that's in there that we're not responsible for. This doesn't even get done anymore. Some may have been in
there for 50 years. Yeah. And some some actually they put something like a piece in and it contradicts something from 10 years ago. So there were multiple amendments back since 91 when they the initial ordinance was created. These types of ordinances are not new, but
they're new to film. Other towns had ordinances like this. I know Neptune, Tim Falls, they call it. Sure. It's funny because plenty of other towns in New Jersey. I don't know if anybody knows Frank Sinelli, but I happen to be real good friends with him. He stopped by my house the other day. He's the code
enforcement officer now for Lake Ko, Neptune City, and Spring Lake. So, he has all that. He told me now a new thing in Spring Lake when a developer wants to take down a tree and build a new house,
he has to go out and measure the tree, the circumference of the tree and say it's 40 in. Well, the developer is responsible now and it's like $400 times 40. It's like huge.
That's the fee I was referring to, isn't it? Yeah. And that all goes That all Frank says it all goes into the Spring Lake Shade Tree Committee. They have a committee. I don't have a commission. Well, we have that too with our tree fund. We have $4,000. Well, we don't do
that. We have 4500 4500 to be exact. What I'm What I'm saying is we don't do that. Measuring the trees, measuring trees, measuring the caliber of the tree. I said, "What do we do?" Well, I think we'd have to go. Yeah. I think we'd have to go
figure out in the or in the ordinance. It's in there. No, maybe she wants to know share with Kate like how do we have 4500 in our in our So there's a tree fund. So um every time we I do a permit there's a
fee. So we add to the tree fund and you know we I track it and we had about $400 and so dollars last year. Last year. So I reached out and I I wanted to be sure what the tree fund was and I reached out to the CFO. I forget her name. She goes
back. She says this is $4,000. What? So what they went back with this new MS4 ordinance. They established this tree fund and they clawed back all the old permit fees. So right now we've got about
$4500 in the tree fund. And even on the permitting, um, we did 18 permits over the last two months. So far here to date, we've done 40 permits because we've been sending letters out, tracking people, and
getting them to take these hazardous trees down. And we're really kind of really moving forward and doing a lot of work in terms of getting hazard hazardous trees down in the tree fund is growing. I have a question that I should know the answer to but I
don't. If you are planting a tree but not taking a tree down, do you still need a permit? Okay. If it's on the planting strip, private property. If it's on the plant strip, yes. If it's on private property, no. Okay. But if you're taking a tree down on
private property, you need a permit. So go. So excuse me. But the only other thing that I wanted to bring up and Kate and I have talked about a little bit was the grant that we're getting for the New Jersey Transit. We brought it up to Jim Orus that we wanted to be involved in that so that you know, but the environment, you guys should do the same
because he was like, "Oh, why?" And we were like, "Well, when we get this $454,000, we would like to be able to plant trees and beautify the area." Is that the park or the train station? There's two different train station. The train station. What happened at the
park? I I don't know what's happening. Which one? Well, there was some kind of plan to redo the park that is happening. We haven't received money for anything else yet, but that we're supposed to that's supposed to happen, I think, this year. Yes, that is supposed to happen. So, I believe that
we should be working with the shade tree. And he was like he had a way to do it like oh, who who would I contact? I told him to contact you. We definitely want to be involved, right? And that was like news to him. So environmental commission should do the same. We can put we can put the designated people on any
taken that training last couple times coming back from the airport. I'll see you just give you a quick run down for the meeting. Our train station is horrible. It is. It's embarrassing. Yeah, it is embarrassing. Especially when you come down through, you know, Elberon and all the nice towns up that
way there and you get to our place. We can be we can do a lot. We could be better. Yeah, we could be better. That's New Jersey Transit problem. All right. I know. I mean, if we're going to get a grant, you can kind of do something to the area. I think you can make a big change, but we could have input into
what we put in there. What plants? What native trees, shrubs to make it more environmentally friendly as it? What do you consider to be a local native plant? What's the what's the geography? Is it New Jersey? Is it North
America? Is it the Northeast? Is it Belmont? Yeah. Well, I It depends which part of town you're in, like you said about the trees closer to the ocean, the environment. And I just wanted to just there's on a side topic just ask about public works. Can I ask you a question?
Yeah. Yes. So, it's come up before that when you plant trees, you need a lot of water. If there's not a water source where you plant the trees, that's an issue. Is there some some way we could think about this differently with public works so that public works could take care of watering the trees? Well, can I
answer that, D? Well, yeah, but I I just kind of want to take I don't know if Dark's going to Well, we gave you a whole bunch of uh water bags, right? Yeah. We have water baits, but but somebody has to fill those. They have what do they call a caribou? What do they call the truck? We have We have the
Buffalo. Buffalo. You're close. They have that. I know. I know. They're close. It's a buffalo. Water buffalo they call. But the reason I'm bringing this up now in reference to what she was bringing up about native plants is if we work on changing what's growing in
Belmar, native plants don't require as much irrigation and maintenance and pending, which could free up some time to do other things like water trees. And I'm I'm looking at I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I'm just putting that out there from us to public works
that maybe if we talk about things a little differently, we might be able to make a little more progress. That's all. Yeah, that's I mean that's something I'll bring up with Billy. But yeah, see along those lines, that's one of the things that George is doing for us when we're talking about our budgeting process, right? Again, these are like
all the pieces that you have to put in place and you're trying to we tie them together, right? So the budgeting piece, one of the things we're trying to do is say rather than just guessing, why don't we kind of put pen to paper and come up with some realistic examples, right? And in that there's actually some of the
stuff that we were saying that we could possibly do. We'd also say, well, this may mean that DPW may need to get you to do this, you need one person, but to do this, you need two people. So it's a collaborative planning, but then they have to put it into their budget, right? That's why it becomes this like layered
process that it but it requires communication amongst other parts. Correct. That's just why I'm bringing that out. It's not it's not all on you guys. It's like all of us together including people who work for the burrow. Maybe if we think a little differently about where we're going to
go, planning ahead, having different things to take care of, we could do we could do it. I mean I I've said to Gary hundred times, Mike, I mean, I think the lake is this the jewel of Belmont. It really is. It really is. It's beautiful. Beautiful. I mean, but you know, it
needs a lot of work. I mean, even the soil, I mean, the trees that we planted, the soil is terrible. I mean, so I mean, you need in the grant besides planting trees, you basically need an irrigation system, you know, and and that's money.
So because you can't depend on PE public works to water that well I I just saying like when you talked about like planting three or four trees and there's no water source like in the planning process we have to think about the water source before we decide where to put the trees that's what we learned
so that's just learning together that's to your point this is where this working with US Army Corp of Engineer developing our landscaping plan to do all these things so that when we get the next trunch of money, you know, because estimate to fix the lake, it can be
probably asking for$4 to5 million in in grant money to help us pull that off. It's not going to be insignificant and it's not isolated from other things going on in town like working on the infrastructure, the roads, the pipes, all the out pipes that lead into the lake. All of these are affecting all of
the ecosystems in such a way that it makes collaboration necessary between DPW sha tree and environmental commission. So, as we work together on that that as you say because I believe like you It's a jewel of the town. You can show a lot with native planting with trees and and have people go there just
like one day in McClary Park, just like we did at Piano Plaza. And I don't think people realize what a jewel Piano Plaza is now. The work that you guys did at that plaza with the uh on Earth Day with um of course was the land the landscaping company was outstanding.
That's something that we might want to put in the patchwork because they redid that whole plaza. you know, we took all the old trees down. So, there's a lot of things that you look at specific areas in our town that you can highlight to people to see, well, you want to look at a red bud, go to Pino Plaza, right? You
want to look at the oak, go to the that oak's doing beautiful right now, right? The my all those things. So, I think as you're saying, if we do the same thing at our lane someday at Mclair, you have these places and what we can't forget about is the beach, but that's another topic for another day for the dudes.
Before you go on to another topic, I just to reiterate what you said because one of the things I didn't mention about patchwork is they do this geom mapping thing and they put on the map all the locations and what's growing there so that if you want to see an example of a red bud or whatever else it is for my
own patchwork for wildlife is an organiz it's a nonprofit organization in Lake Ko. A gentleman started it over there with his neighbors. He has a a huge garden where he grows native plants and demonstrates different ways to take care of your landscape and your property. He
does training for gardeners, but they have a recognition program for homeowners where they give people, you know, they recognize the sustainable changes or elements to their yard. And then they encourage them to be models for their neighbors. So their neighbors can also see the benefit of having a
tree or the benefit of having maybe native plants that don't require an irrigation system or it cuts back on your waterfell or it's less less of an impact on the town water system because you're changing what you're planting. And once they they identify specific yards, they geomap these things. They
have a website where anybody can go and see all the places that are being recognized and specifically wise. You can see examples. So Lake Koma was there. They're putting up. We have six yards in Belmer where we started last year. Red Bank is doing it and Point Pleasant. So they're starting to expand
other short towns all through that same patchwork. Yep. Yep. So we're like we're sort of starting the Belar division of patchwork, the environmental division. You know where um what's it? Surf Shack. What's it called? Surf Shack. Surf Shack. Um up a couple
streets west. It's called Candid Garden. That's what I'm talking about. I know. I know, John. Um, it's got a little sign. It says Candid's Garden and he's got all these plants with little labels. It's 18th Avenue. That's right where he is. That's 5131 18th Avenue. It's called
Candid's Garden. There's like a plaque out there. People are welcome to come and see. I get a lot of mail for 513. There you go. Very close. 513. I got a lot. Yeah. and he'll be happy to talk to you and show you things and give you
plants. And is there a state accredited version of that or um he has worked with a couple of university professors like on setting up the geom mapping and stuff and he does master gardener workshops over there for the county but he's in
private office. The geom mapping is he referring to GPS location? Is that what he's using? I I don't mind might not be using the word right, but if you look it shows all the lots in the town and then it highlights the ones that are I think that's what George was working on. Yes, that's why I'm asking that question
because the next tree inventory we do they were that's the tree inventory GPS location per tree. So we did tree inventory but now they want it with GPS right now we have by address. But you know something that Gary mentioned like and what you mentioned
you have a um a grant for social media or something coming. We did sustainable Jersey because the town went through this certification kind of like they got to know us and so then they have something
that like if you want to see a red bud go to blah blah blah. If you want to see I don't think we have any beach plum but say we did beach plum go here. Um maybe your PR p or your social media person could really hone in on that and well
yeah we're here to hear ideas and suggestions. So you know we we have like another couple months of her services. Um I asked her today again about the patchwork to see if she would do something more about that. But certainly we could talk about trees and we try to link to other things like we have a
Facebook Facebook page. Yes. So, we could maybe try to link to each other. Um, I think one of your people does all the I don't Elena. Oh, yes. Maybe. Is she on your I send my stuff to the to the Shade Tree
and he's he's what? He's a social media. I sent my post to the Shane Tree Commission and you guys have reposted. Okay. Yeah, I do the Facebook. Well, Keith and I do more locals. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody else
Iliana always comments, but if we did more of that, that would help. And um you know, even birds and you know, like Tal I put the book out um his oak thing at at our display. Maybe our
library could do something too with having more. That would be great. I mean, does he have those books at the library? It's my own copy. I don't know where I don't I didn't see it, but I don't know. They're very responsive. It's worth Yeah.
But that would be a good thing for kids like have adults and kid books and, you know, a whole thing on trees and the environment. Maybe we could get them to do a thing for like like kids books and give away like kids like gardening materials and stuff like that. They'd be
really into it. I've tricked my doing long work for me. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Very. Okay. Um, so I do have a question at the end of this. I'll take a You can put me in your shade tree as an activity because I know
you guys do, but I would like to give a list of things for you and Diane to look out of areas that we can collaborate. Yeah. 1000%. And then then you can send we can send it to each of the committees after you guys send it to them and then see what we go from there. And you know you
could just have a just like we did when you guys appointed me to do the sustainable jersey to Dian's to see if we could do the same thing back and forth maybe. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. All right. Yeah. I I I Yeah. I mean, is there anything, you know, besides just going back and forth, is there anything
else that we should bring up here that we're all here and I I'd like to plan for another meeting sometime in the fall, maybe November. Christmas gets a little, you know, so I mean, if that's okay, we'll shoot for the November meeting. Sure. Okay. And we'll meet here
because I know the library is it's a little small, a little small for, you know, we we used to meet there and it was it was really small. Yeah. So I I think if we and we we're missing one or two people anyway. So we'll probably have to get another table. So uh from
somewhere um so if there's nothing else uh you know I'll accept a motion to adjurnn but I'd like to give any anybody from the public as a Yes, sir. I'm Neil Shack from 410 4th Avenue. Right. And not that it
counts for anything but I was a member of the shade tree. from 2009 to 2013. Okay. Under Brian McGovern, right? Uh glad to hear the the mighty oak getting some good words here. My experts praises the oak tree as a
single native plant species that can host and spur the most biodiverse life. So, I'm pro. Uh question with the uh the tree removal ordinance. How big does the tree have to be to be included?
I'm not sure I understand your question. I couldn't. How big does how big does a tree have to be to be included in this tree removal ordinance in terms of planning strip or private property? How big does it have to be anything? Well,
like 6 in diameter or to be removed to be covered where you can't remove it without Oh, replacing it. Oh, there there is a Yeah, there's a caliper listing on the ordinance. I don't have it. Yeah, I don't see I don't have instant recall on it, but I'll if you
give me an email address, Neil yahoo.com. Hold on. Hold on. N E L N E I L S C H E C K E C Yahoo. It should be the same ordinance that Sure. It's the It's that Well, at my time, I think we
we recommended against the ordinance because we were concerned that a lot of times people have trees sprouting up on their property like along the border lines and stuff and next thing you know, you got like eight trees that might be covered by the ordinance. Well, you
recommended against it. It was never in the ordinance until the MS4 came into effect about a year and a half ago and DP included that in the ordinance and mandated that the towns include that. So that's why it's in there now. And
there's a table. And again, I don't have instant recall about the the caliper, but there's a there's a caliper list. And if you remove the tree and you don't want to replant based on the the width of it or the caliper, there's a fee. And
it's a running scale. The wider the tree, the more the expense, right? I don't recall, you know, what the minimum is. I mean, if you got a little sprout, no one's going to, you know, say. Yeah. But I'll I'll I'll let you know. Uh, another question inspired by your
saying there's 90 plus trees that need to come down. You can't. It's hard. We've identified trees that are public safety hazards. Now, that could be No, that doesn't mean a tree has to come down. There could be a tree like a London
plane that's relatively healthy but has branches extending over sidewalk or or the street where the branch is dead and it could come down on a car or a person or a person. So that's those those are
part of the 90 plus trees we've identified. We've had a number of homeowners we've sending letters and they've take they've decided to trim the trees or actually take the tree down, but it includes those. It includes trees
that might be healthy but are pushing up a sidewalk. Going to know a lot of those. So, there's a lot of different variables. Some trees that have just excuse me outgrown the planting strip. They're pushing the sidewalk up, destroyed the curb, and they're a danger
to public safety. people getting out of cars, stumps. I just considering the difficulty of getting people to actually pick up a phone and get a company to come in. What is it conceivable that the burrow could say, "Well, DPW says they
can take that tree down for $950 for you. They've got a they've got a a a stunt removal device now, but I don't think they're in the business." No, that's for the that's for the trees on public property. But yeah, you know, I mean, in the planning strip. Yeah, we've
explored that. I I don't think DPW wants to go down that route now. Uh they have to they're pretty busy enough. So, no that we just leave it with a private vendor. I was just Yeah. Paul, you know, we
acquire a mark out. We acquire Mark Out. Something very interesting that you may not be aware. We had a We had a stump 7th Avenue. 7th Avenue by the lake. Sent the guy a letter, followed up, had a dialogue with him. Falconber came out
and refused to take the stuff down. Uncle was making this guy off the ground. So I spoke to Falconber. So we can't take that stuff down. So why? Cuz there's a gas line. Really? Well, the gas lines run from the street to the house, right? We
all familiar with that. So make a long story short, followed up with the markout people. you dial 811, they come out and do a mark out where utilities are. So, finally had a conversation with him and he said, "Keith, do you know that there's a gas line that runs from
the lake all the way down 7th Avenue to I guess maybe A Street or B Street that runs along the planting strip, not from street to house, along the planting strip. The main line. The main line. So, we cannot go down." He
said, she said to me, maybe 10 years ago we did that and we had a serious gas leak. We cut the line. So no one ever knew it until you're supposed to have a mark out for planting trees too, not only removable.
So one more thing uh I've been complaining about the uh honey locusts. Now there's two parts to this. The one is the the ones that are growing wild along Silver Lake with the big thorns. And then there's the other
part of it, the ones that are actually planted uh intentionally, but I I assume that those are a thornless variety, right? Yes. Yes. But so two of those were planted in the triangular park near my house at like Fifth Avenue and uh and
D Street and well I'm I'm rooting for something different now that the three big uh uh Bradford pairs were taken down. I'm thinking maybe something else is going to be planted there. And I'm hoping it's not going to be more
honeyloust because I can see a mighty oak couple of great oak trees there. beach trees, you know, maple something. I'm just not impressed by the honey lotus. Where's this? The triangle triangle. We actually had something earmarked for there when Chris was here, the TVW, but
I don't know what I'm trying to remember what came about. I don't remember. So, I'm bringing that up because I really would hate to see more honey locust getting there and then me try to complain after it already. We govern what we plant. We're not going to plant honey locust, so I don't think it's a I don't think it's an issue. What's that?
We're not going to plant a honeyloust. Good, good, good. Okay. So, may I ask about the ones around Silver Lake? Shouldn't they be eradicated? All those nasty thorns. So, we're Yeah, you were talking about that last year. We need the planning with the Army Corps when we go through
of what trees come out. I don't like those trees either. I went in there. They're big. They're thorns. But there's a time to take the trees out. The trees support different wildlife, different habitat, different birds. So we want to get some experts to tell us what comes
out of the lake, what stays in the lake, and when to do it. So that would be on our list because I would make the same thing that you would go. Do we really need that many trees with thorns? Because they're also I don't like them because aren't they a rooting? They're a rooting tree. They they grow out off the
roots and they just keep expanding. So we're on the same page as you. We don't like them. Well, at one point someone said that they're native, but I have two source books here that I both say that they're not native. And uh if anybody thinks that
they're native, you're welcome to look at my Okay. Well, we we'll take all that into consideration. Sure. And I'm sure the public's going to have plenty ability to to comment on the on the lake plans, too. So, yeah, but this thing had years and years and years. I want those thorns out a year ago, you know.
Well, I don't know if you want to go. You know, I'm not suggesting you go out at 2 o'clock in the morning, but I don't know what your alternative is because, you know, we can't do anything like that. So, I I think that that entire lake is uh issue is left to the environmental commission. And I think
Gary hit it right on the head. We, you know, you can't do anything. You can't rush the judgment with any of this stuff because it definitely comes back, it will come back to haunt you somehow. And the same, you know, we have, for instance, have one person complaining and I'm sure you complain to your
thoughts are legitimate. There may be other people that love them for some reason. So, you know, we that's what I'm trying to find out. Why why does anybody like them at all? Well, I I have no idea, but I'm just saying that's a possibility. And what I'm saying is you have to go care. We have to be careful
anything we do. I think that we have such an opportunity with the Army Corps coming in and getting that expertise that Then we had to also get the permits which Jim is working on for the wetland permits for us to even put in a deal be able to go through take things out and put new things in. We needed a permit
for that. So we'll be going through all that and Exactly. So it it'll I mean the lake has been you know problematic for years and now we I mean G through Gary and the EC they have they have a plan you know they're
approaching it you know practically and and professionally. So, I I'm very confident that they're on the right track and they're doing it the right way. I am anyway. I think everybody is. So, hopefully. Thanks, Jim. I like when you say my name, but it's we have a lake
committee and and well, I you know, Gary, you know, because we talk all the me and Gary live across, so we talk all the time. So, I I apologize for that, but yes, the lake committee. Thank you. Uh, having nothing further, I'll accept a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn.
Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? Anybody opposed? Anybody abstain? Anybody want anything else? Okay. So, hopefully we'll we'll uh we'll reven back in September. Uh I'm sorry, November. November. Oh.