going to call the meeting to order. Um, I sent out the minutes yesterday. I'm hoping everybody had a chance to take a look. So, are we can we have a motion to accept the minutes from the November meeting? >> I'll make the motion. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> I opposed. >> Okay. Um, next is just a little update on the grants. Um, we have two two outstanding grants. We're actually at the close of the green team grant. We still have some literature if anybody's interested in literature out at a
meeting in a community or something. Hey, >> um we just started just a second ago. >> Seriously. >> Um >> 629. >> Yep. >> So, the green team grant >> Uhhuh. >> What else do we call that? Is that the from sustainability? >> It's from sustainable Jersey.
>> Thank you. >> They gave it to us two years ago. It's about $2,000 and it was really meant for um social media which we hired someone to do that to get a final report on that and some literature that we do. >> Yeah, this is a one question.
>> Yeah. Right. And the other grant we got for the burrow, $10,000 for electric landscaping equipment. So I talked to Billy Mto about that the other day and he's still planning to purchase in the spring. He said he was going to talk to um the business office about vendors,
possible vendors. >> So, but that's still on the go. >> Diane, you said that she shared a report. Is that something you did a report? Can is that something you can share for social media? >> She Well, she did what? She gave us like >> a summary of activities we share with
you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> I'd just be curious in general because I've never seen uh social media numbers for any of the things. So, >> happy to share. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> So that's complete then. >> Yes, that was complete. I have to do a final report for the >> Well, we said with a report for summary
of activities. >> Yes. Y >> um and along the lines of the electric landscaping equipment. I'd shared with everybody I think that as Park had some social media article about how they're trying to get interest from their council about an ordinance for a
seasonal ban on electric leaf blowers in Asbury. So, I'm just bringing that out. Um, I I think I'm Gary said he might be interested after like after next year maybe following up on it. Um, but it's something we've talked about in the past, which is trying to at least get
the question out there for people to reconsider whether it be residential use or commercial landscapers. >> I, you know, I think you have to get the word out and deal with the feedback because some people are passionate about their gas flows. I've already been
lectured multiple times on don't take away my leaf blower. I felt like I was talking to Charlton H. >> Yeah. >> You know, when um when you I didn't see the Great Park when you said seasonal, does that mean like trying to ban them?
>> Not during the fall, you know, like >> Oh, well that that's a good question because they call them leaf blowers, which would mean you probably don't need to use them in July to pull the leaves. >> Yeah. But yet, like when landscapers come through and cut grass and stuff, throw out to get every little piece of
speck of anything blown away. But like >> like that would be the first thing I would ask is like, "All right, do you really do we really need to hear leaf blowers all summer until 8:00 p.m. We're sitting out on your porch trying to have dinner?" It's one thing when it's like there's leaves everywhere and some guy's like, "What do you want me to do? Maybe
years old. I can't rake, but >> do you really need leaf blowing off your sidewalk of like little grass?" They just the grass. So, >> and you can mulch the >> when they come by, they just Yeah, that's what they do. >> Yeah. So, it's it's a conversation to have about what you really need to have done in your yard. And that's something
we've kind of talked about. We have some sustainable landscaping tips that you can give your landscaper. for example, to get them to reconsider other ways to or how much they need to clean or do they need to do a total seasonal cleanup or can they let stuff lie until spring
which is gives them more of a habitat over the winter to actually let stuff be? Now, remind me if this was a conversation here or within Candid's garden um where we were talking about trying to put together a list of what we consider like um certif certified by us
uh sustainable landscapers. >> That was that was John Gibbons was trying to work on a list like that. >> Yeah. And I don't know if that's something where we could collaborate with him and send out just a short like Google survey to different landscapers for them to voluntarily fill out and then we could just have a list up for
residents. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's not something that's putting a burden on anyone or a mandate, but at least it's >> the information is there for people and it's a bunch of those >> Yeah. >> particular landscapers. >> Yeah. I think um I John and I were going to try to meet with Rick McCoy who did
that sustainable landscaping. He's a landscaper >> um to try to get him to give us some more specific practical ways to do that. Does he work on that in the Princeton area? >> When are you meeting with John? >> I don't have a date yet, but I can let you know. >> Oh, I was going to say because I have a
piece of mail for him. We I live on ETH and he's on 18th and every every single year one of his friends sends to me. >> So, I have this one. I'm like, I should just drop it off. All right, never mind. You're going to tell me tomorrow. Tomorrow, I'll go. I'll I'm always
walking around. >> Oh, I'll I'll bring it. That's why it's in my purse. I put it in on my way out. >> Makes me laugh. I'm glad I'm not the only one. We get >> I'll call it back. >> They We get mail for this one family all the time. It lives right around the corner and they get it wrong all the time. Even with So, we're friends now.
>> Yes. >> So, so with the um leaf blower, I think the best we can do to start is just start talking to people and conversations because people are passionate about it. I think the idea of the list is really good. that would help the conversation. Uh but I I I I don't
know how, you know, how we can communicate to the residents. Is this something we could put on a poll? >> How about a survey? >> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. >> Yeah. >> So, >> like an online survey. >> Yeah, that's Facebook survey. >> Facebook. >> Survey Monkey. One of those things. >> Yeah. I'm thinking something like that.
So, you can get some feedback and start the discussion. >> You know, the last thing you ever want to do is feel like the town is dictating to people that we don't you can't have leaf blowers. would go with Paulie. >> Well, >> I think we're all in agreement, >> but there's an awful lot of people out there who are just as passionate on the
other direction. So, my neighbor, >> I mean, every day >> really, >> he comes home 5:00, backpack, leaf blower, there's not a single speck of anything on his grasp. >> Maybe you could get him a metal
detector. >> No, he moved. Now there's another guy. You know there's someone on a food there all the time has certain time >> oh I know who you're talking about >> all the time. So I think getting a ser I think starting a survey and maybe starting that conversation would help
that discussion and eventually you would have to you know go up and have >> you know um once we had enough feedback it' have to be a council discussion and >> letting people public feedback that I would love to sit through that. >> You know it's funny because those are the type of things that become
unexpectedly very heated. This is such a small, you know, you can be talking about replacing the water valves and everyone's quiet and then you're like, "What about leaf blowers?" Everyone shows up. >> Everybody's up at the microphone discount for people like, you know, if
you switch to Yeah. food suppliers or whatever. >> Yeah, that's interesting. Um, and and this isn't the solution, just an aside, but there was an interesting article. I forget where I read it. Um, I think it was a town in probably New Hampshire. This feels New England. I think I sent
it to you. Um, but the library was doing also stuff. >> Yeah. >> And one of the things you could take out from the library was a like battery operated like leaf blower and and this equipment so that people didn't have to go and buy something new and then they
could try it. And it's just an interesting thought. >> I like that idea. And the other thing is I'll I'll look for maybe if we get some literature that we can hand out when we're doing our you know we're doing our public meetings. I'll look to see if there's anything >> one of the brochures we had printed is about the weed growers. So we do have
already something like that. >> I >> but the other thing I just wanted to mention when I talked to public works was >> the exposure to the health of the operator of the equipment. So besides the the residential use is if you have a business and you have young guys working for you and they're breathing that stuff
in and it's affecting their hearing, there's a long-term chronic illness risk for them. So as a parent, I think that's also something to think about. I went to the You said tell me a while ago that did you have a grant to DPW? Yeah. >> Did they buy? Because I looked that into
that company and it's they don't have any representation around here. >> They didn't purchase yet. They said Spring is when they're going to buy this equipment. So, if you find a a vendor that you think would take a purchase order that looks good, we'll pass on. >> Well, they're up in North Jersey. There's nothing down here in It's a German company. Okay.
>> That you talked about crep crepe. I think it was KP. But anyhow, they uh they only have a small office in North North Carolina. Everything else is through a location, you know, like a business, not their
own. They don't have their own stores. >> Yeah. I think our best bet still would be working if we were want to move things quickly is you could do a resolution for the landscapers coming in. You could do
something like that, but that would still be heated. Yeah. What I worry about with there is there Yeah, there's landscapers who work in town, but um I wouldn't want to do that without being assured that the landscapers could handle a switch. I wouldn't want to hear
from people that their landscaper just can't come to them anymore. >> Exactly. So that's why >> um so I mean what we could do I mean maybe this is thought is a thought um if we're going to do the sustainability uh survey of landscapers maybe we could
just in like take a look at who says they have >> who has >> Yeah >> because if other towns are doing it they may be required in other towns like depending on where they landscape but I don't know what other towns in New Jersey might have bans on >> okay >> there are places too that just ban them
on certain days Yeah, >> like homeowners associations do that, >> right? >> You can't do it on Tuesdays and Thursdays or Monday, Wednesday, Friday, whatever. >> You can't just do it every day because I mean it's six days a week. >> Yeah. >> And then on Sundays it's the neighbors
are doing it. >> Yeah. predictability would be nice because just on a very practical note like I work from home and I have to do a lot of like calls and on camera meetings and sometimes I'm sitting there and all the people >> they come
>> trying to figure out how to put it on >> well they say that co really brought that to light because everybody was working from home so everybody felt like oh my gosh I didn't realize what happens in my neighborhood every week >> so um so we're going to talk about a survey then that's like our our
>> Yeah, we can >> I've never done anything like that online but I'm sure I'll >> Well, Google Doc is very easy. >> What? >> On Google Docs to do a survey. Um I use that all the time for that purpose. So, I mean, if you want um if you guys want to even email me a first round of what
the questions might be. Sure. >> I can put that together in in minutes. That'd be great. >> Okay. >> Do we want to do that for landscapers, too? Is that what we're thinking? >> I'm thinking for residents. >> Okay. Think about for residents like for Belma residents. Hey, you know what? Do you think about this?
>> We hate we hate >> two-stroke engines. What about you? >> Yeah. >> I don't know. >> Give the opportunity to just put your list of top five pet peeves. >> I write pets. >> It was not a fully formed when I brought it up. It was not a fully formed
thought. It was just, >> you know, you know, we we don't like I said, we all agree, but not everybody does, >> right? So, what does the rest of the town think? >> Yep. >> Well, in my head, actually, the easier one to probably write and get out there might actually be the one to landscapers.
>> I think it' be good to know how capable there are because I mean, if you write if we make that, >> yeah, you can't make the leap without >> they don't have the capabilities then limit who people can use. >> Do we have a do all landscapers all sign in? Like if you're a landscaper, you work in our town, do you have to like
quote unquote register in our town? So, how would we how would we find the question would be how we A couple big ones. >> Collected some cards. I just asked them. >> Yeah. I mean, we I could probably off the top of my head. >> Yeah. The some of the big ones. So, we
could just start there. >> They all blow their >> their grass clippings into the street, which is a violation of New Jersey storm water rules, >> right? >> So, that's not happening. >> Okay. >> Be fine. Can I be there when you talk to
the guys at one one or two of the landscapers? >> We may know a couple. >> I'm waiting. >> Um, okay. So, the next item on the agenda is the energy plan, which if Don has kind of taken the lead on that. So,
if you want to talk a little bit about where we're at with that. So, we received there's two parts to it, but we received a grant to develop a strategic plan for what our energy usage consumption and how to potentially reduce that over time. Um, so the plan
the grant allows us to do the planning and so we selected an agency to work with that has experience in this area called Blue Sky and um we're working with them. We first um part of it is there's seven areas that um this grant
covers pretty broad areas from sustainable Jersey. So we went ahead and met with different people in the town, all the leaders in the town to talk about their priorities um how we could how we potentially could reduce energy or drive more efficiency in their area and they kind of prioritize for us
what's important. Um and so then now we're meeting we've met with this Diane and I have been met with this company. Um, we've gone through each of the priorities and we should have a draft at the end of the month for all of us to give feedback on. Um, so there's specific areas that are identified. It
could be solar, it could be uh, you know, uh, communication out to the community. There's like key buckets that will be there and so we'll have a really good draft for us to take a look at. We'll be able to get feedback from the town and get their input. And then we have to have a public meeting. Um, and
we can use our one of our meetings as a public meeting. We just need to announce it where we can get feedback from the town to see how we could drive this. And ultimately what you're going to end up with is important priorities for us to work on um for the town that are aligned with what the town would like to do and
then ultimately to help improve the efficiency um of our energy usage in town and reduce energy. So there's some really nice buckets for people. Everything from lowincome, you know, residents all the way through things that um the town itself could be doing.
So um it's a really good range of things. We also then um I've talked about it before. We have the audit that we finally get approved for. It is a long process because we had to get all our records from the utility companies and it was really really hard. So, this
this one person went over backwards at the uh at the company to do this, but we finally got approval. We got a person assigned to us. The audit technically is like $150,000 value for the town. That's what they've estimated it as. And so, we've identified 10 buildings in the
town and we're going to have a couple conference calls. Billy Muso is going to be um the lead on this. to um talk to um Kevin and um he'll he'll be the lead and um we're we'll have a couple calls where they actually go through the structure
of the building, the architectural design, all of that. This is the input the auditor needs and then they come and there's probably like three site visits. They can do a couple at a time and they're going to come and audit all the buildings, come back with a recommendation and um ways that we could potentially get funding for things as
well. they'll have some recommendations on ways that we can get funded uh for many of the things. So, I think it's going to be great because I think it'll have some really short-term things, but potentially some longer term things. You know, we've we've got a lot of feedback on HVAC systems and those kind of things internally. So, there might be some
things that um based on that. >> So, the grant that we received pays for all the work that the company >> No, they're two different things. They're connected with two different things. So the grant that we received pays for the planning for our overall energy plan. The audit will feed into
that, but it's separate from that. There's other things in that grant. At the same time, we got um we've been given the ability to do this audit through sustainable Jersey because of the work we've done to kind of get our um you know, our bronze status and partners with them. And I was just
looking at today and it said it's a $150,000 value that the town receives because it's a lot of I mean, you know, they go through every single design of every single piece of equipment in the building. They go through the actual architectural design of the building, which I don't know how much we're going to be able to provide, but they'll
they'll be here. And then they spend a lot of time developing it. So, so that we'll likely have that. It takes a couple months to do it. So, we'll probably have that closer to second quarter. Um, but I think the energy plan will come even sooner. Um but so they're connected but separate.
>> Okay. But like the um as opposed to us getting money and then paying that vendor like Sustainable Jersey just arranged for them to provide that service. But like >> well for the board of public utilities they do audits for public buildings. So they're
doing it at no cost because it's part of their outreach. >> Okay. So I So we have a we got a grant. We have a $10,000 grant to do the energy strategic energy plan for the town. So that'll that'll identify many things well beyond any kind of thing to do with the audit. It's kind of separate that.
Yes. >> But the audit what we find in the audit could actually help us with some of the things that are in the energy plan. >> So who I'm trying I'm still trying. So they do that for free for us. >> The audit. Yes. Free. >> The audit. Yes. I know that's the $150,000 value for free.
>> Yeah. But that's because see like we focused on working with sustainable New Jersey as I found is very very valuable from resources like people money ways to get money those kind of things. So they're really been a very good partner and that's why we think it's important for us to continue to try to get that
next level all the time. Um but they you know they pointed us in the direction of these companies to be able to do this and then we did get the grant for you know the overall energy plan and the company we're working with is a company called Blue Sky and they have had a lot of experience working with a lot of
towns. So you know we were talking about things and they're like oh I had a town that did that and they were able to kind of give us case studies of things of to things to work towards but then maybe things to stay away from that may not have the benefit. >> What's the new company again? Blue Sky.
>> We looked at three different companies and ended up with Blue Sky. >> So that's where the money's we're paying them to >> Yeah. >> to develop the plan. >> I'll ask you later to spell it. >> B L V S K Y >> B L U. >> Blue like the color, sky like the sky.
>> That's it. >> Sky like the blue. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> Um so anyway, so it'll there's a lot in the plan. There's a lot for us to think about then on projects that come out of that. Um, and then also with some things that the town will be able to focus on themselves. But I think it was important
for us to meet with the everyone in the town because they all have feedback. We met with the police department, fire department, and Philly. We met with everybody and they had it was some really good conversations. >> It was a chance for them to kind of tell us what they think like from their perspective as a person who works here, a person who's here every day, one of
the facilities, you know, and what are the issues they so they were pretty honest about things. they felt we could be approved and so that way if we do get to be able to do some of those things we'll have support from the employees which is a good thing. >> Yes. I think it's really important what
you said earlier is the the value and getting that information to people that the value of this the amount of money it saves the town from having to do it themselves and the amount of money it could save because you know people hear things like this they go so what so what
we just saved the town $150,000 they could spend elsewhere and on top of that we're going to help reduce their operating budgets going forward. That's the big thing if they find things that are really obvious that they can quantify. So they've been they can actually come back and quantify what they think the value is >> and then what we need to do to get
there. So let's say it's as simple as like HVAC is a disaster, they will be able to compare that to other buildings in their system and then basically say that we can save this much. So even for people that have been trying to do things in town, it might give them the ammunition to help try to push some
things forward that they've been trying to do. >> It's like a costbenefit analysis. That's why they started with utility bills. They want to see what are we spending on energy and then they're going to show us ways that we can be more efficient. >> So that's that's all good. >> I >> the timing also is that we want to have
to say >> that's okay. We'll have the public meeting probably in March when we meet with the shade tree commission. That way at least we'll have two commissions here. We'll make notice to the public. Huh. >> I don't know if that's the best meeting though. >> Everybody has a voice. >> Yes.
>> Things get spicy. It's fine. It's okay. It's okay. Uh, so the next thing on the agenda is Patrick for wildlife. So since we last met, we had our December awards ceremony. So we recognized um six homes in Belmore. a second round of awards
ceremony and we it's an online thing but we collaborated with Redbank Pleasant um Lake Como and uh so it's kind of getting bigger and which is nice and it's the purpose is really to encourage people to
take mindful care of their property and to uh provide a more sustainable environment because we don't have a lot of open space but we do have yards so we're really trying to encourage people to do the best at their yards and give them specific feedback about benefits of
native plants or the benefits of different types of sustainable practices. Um, and that's where we got into conversations about landscapers, too. So, there's like a connection with all this stuff. So, we're planning to do um, and I can talk more about this in a minute, but we're planning to do a
workshop in April where we're going to talk about sustainable lawn maintenance and native plants. And we're going to do that down at the Ter Pavilion. I think it's the 25th or 26th. or something. >> I wonder if we could do some electric stuff there as well like >> maybe like public works nice to bring
your equipment and we'll show it. >> Those the people who show up to that workshop are the ones we should ask about. >> That's definitely exactly right. >> We'll get face to face you know uh interaction with people. >> Well, even even when we were talking with this company with Blue Sky, they
were saying that like we could go to vendors that want ultimately. So like he was talking about electric cars and those kind of things. You could have some auto dealers come to some things to get attention and the same thing like are there companies that either landscapers that are using electric or
companies that are interested in showing people that because it could be a way to draw attention and also get you know formal interest from people for purchase. >> I mean you can invite them to have a booth over at like Janeiro or something
like that too. That's also a good place to take surveys when you have it out there. >> Y >> we were thinking too we might like visit some of the local nurseries and talk to them about it too about what they stock, what they sell, and how it's all connecting side to that benefit.
>> Yep. >> So that's so funny. >> I think we should like bring a leaf blower to this engineer festival. >> The traditional Italian leaf blower, of course. blow around someone with their garbage in the ground like shut that thing off.
That's awful. I can't enjoy myself like walking to I've got another one. >> That's too funny. >> You can also bring a rake and demonstrate the use of a ring. So, so when we introduced new technologies and new programs and any type of work
environment, you always had the classic, you know, always rolled it out, you know, 20% early adopters, 20% people who are going to buy in like the people around this table, right? Because we're a subset overall. Then you have 20% who are not going to do anything to hate you no matter what you do, >> right?
>> So, it's the people in between that we talking about the survey and everything. Those are the people we have to connect to and explain what the benefits and if you get the early adopters showing it like you're doing with patchwork hopefully that generates more people so people who just you know it's just like
rolling out any new technology any new program any new drugs or anything along those lines you have to figure out how to engage that group and what I see a lot of we got a lot of the 20% and and it's getting that next level and I think that's something that that I I
haven't figured out how connect, communicate with all the other people and um >> I've got some door knocking in my future. So, >> is there isn't there a noise ordinance on the weekend for landscaping? I hope
>> for landscaping specifically that's not ringing a bell. The bell noise utterance thinking correctly. I mean, there's the decibel levels and everything which is incredibly um Yes. Um, and there's not really, someone correct me if I'm wrong,
but if I'm recalling correctly, there's not really times on it. >> I thought you weren't allowed to be doing your landscaping. >> Well, no, actually, you know that you're saying that I think there is something about >> in the summer. >> I'll look it up. I'll send it. >> There's a time it's not supposed to stop because our Yeah, our guys got stopped
for that. >> Yeah, I was going to say I know someone came in and was complaining that they it started at 7:55 and then said 50 and it was kept going earlier. So, I must have been looking the other way because I think there isn't something at night that you know it goes by complaint. Um,
okay. There's a lot we can think about for this. >> You mentioned talking about early adopters. I mean, if we if we were to find if if there's a landscaper that's switching to equipment that's electric and quieter, >> we should survey
the people in the neighborhood where those landscapers still work. Like if we get word that there's a landscapers going to start using electric go and knock on the doors and be like, "Have you noticed any difference?" And if people are like, >> you know, >> yeah, actually, now that I think about
it, like getting that kind of feedback, >> they notice I when I when I use mine on my property, people walking by, I've had a lot of comments how quiet it is, you know? I mean, I think people like it. >> They just have to be exposed to it, like you said. Well, and even, you know,
rather than rather than seek out people hoping that they're as mad about it as we think they are, we could take the other angle be like, if we could find success somewhere, try to get feedback from people that are like, "This is so much better." >> Well, the other way public works once they get the equipment, if people see
them working like on the park or >> wherever, then maybe they could also get that feedback. >> Well, you and I talked I'm sorry. >> No, go ahead. >> You and I talked about having them do a demon a demonstration. Yeah. >> So, why don't we just do that? And I can't I looked into it years ago, remember? And I do remember.
>> I can't I couldn't get any any of the manufacturers here. >> None. >> Well, >> yeah. You had Erggo. They're they're they're European. >> What about one of the like >> Well, I went to Ryobi. I have Ryobi. He has I went to Ryobi. Is Home Depot. You
markets them. >> Yeah. >> The guy was all set, ready to go until he approached the store. You know, the store manager said, "No, we have to go there at the store." >> But I wonder if it'd be worth it to >> That's exactly where I would be worth it
to talk to Taylor and say if we had like one here for people just to check out, >> you know? >> Yeah. >> Get the sales that calls on Taylor to come to the thing. They have people that they have sales. >> Yeah. And they just have one there people use and people just can go to
Taylor's and check it out. When I switched from electric from my gas mower, I I had my gas mower. I bought an electric mower. >> I used it one time and I took my gas mower and I sold it >> because it was so much better. It cut
the grass just as well. It was so much lighter and quieter. It was amazing. I'm like, I'm never >> starting that thing again. >> And imagine eight hours a day. My neighbor saw me with my leaf blower >> and he switched to an electric leaf blower.
>> People like them when they >> so much the electric blowers are much quieter too. >> Not as loud. >> No, I was interested in two things. One is that I was in the car someone's car that was electric and they're explaining that they actually pipe the manufacturer pipes sound into the car because people
found it so disoriented, so quiet. >> Yeah. Um, but two is that I think when we're talking about who we're serving and talking to, it's also important to talk to people who have and not just the, you know, um, landscapers, but residents who have traditional leaf growers to see why they like them and
what what attachments they have because you you have to know what who you're dressing, you know, and and how you can incorporate that viewpoint into any changes you're making. >> For me, it was just maintenance because the blowers and the string trimmers, too. There's a two-stroke engine where
you have to mix the gas and oil and there's just a lot of maintenance to keep those engines running year after year because they get clogged up and they got to it's just a pain. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Every year it was just a pain. And the other one I just have to charge the battery and when it runs out I'm like, "Oh, good. Time for me to take a break
anyway." >> Okay. Um, next is the U. So, I guess the takeaway there is we're going to try to spread the word. make this idea bigger, right? Come up >> with some surveys, >> some kind of surveys event. >> Um the next item on the agenda is the Silver Lake.
>> So, um right now, my understanding is we've met with the Army Corps virtually a couple of times. They're still they were beginning the writing of the report. Um they had asked a couple times about the lake survey that our burough engineer is doing and he told me the
other day that he was delayed by the weather still underway. They expect to have the survey completed February 23rd I think. >> Well, that feels much later than originally promised. >> It's about a month later. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Mr. Or told you that the other day you were
>> I'm on the email and I saw that I was skimming a million things at once. So I don't think I got to the part where it was February 23rd. I just saw the reasons why he was delayed. >> Yeah. >> The survey to do what? >> Uh they the army car asked if we they could get survey a survey of the actual
lake and part of our responsibility is to match an income match. So our burough engineer said they could do the survey because they're it's part of the I think the >> the water management I forget what they call it, but they have to survey everything anyway. All the sewers and stuff. the new storm water management SM
SMW4 S SWM4 >> would require them to do that anyway. >> Yeah. So he said they would start with the lake because we were asking because the burrows. >> That's what all those flags are probably. >> Yeah, I saw those guys today. I sent you guys um I sent a message said somebody's at the lake.
>> That was them. I figured that out on my own. >> They have to do a physical survey and then when the lake froze and then it snowed kind of delayed that the outside piece of it, but he expected that it would take them another couple weeks. >> So how much how much is that worth to
towards our matching? because I >> he's charging us 30,000. >> I don't remember off the top of the >> but we have to get up to over 200,000. >> I am. >> So, have we made any So, we still need to do the volunteer hours, right? >> We do. >> We're also hours of meetings and all that kind of stuff, right?
>> We're working on a uh DU a New Jersey D grant that would count because it's state money if you get that money for wetlands restoration. Um also for the lake Montlair. Um, so yeah, that's still that's still an ongoing but what what the what Maya
from the Army Corps had said in the meeting was once they get the survey that was the last like baseline kind of thing they were waiting for from the burrow and then they're going to go ahead with their they would provide us with a complete plan for the lake with a couple of options. >> So the NJ one is that a planning grant
or is that an actual work? >> That's an implementation grant. >> So that would go against the CPF. >> It would. >> Yeah. versus the versus this the USAC plan. We because USAC plan is about matching with information so they can do the plan. >> I don't know.
>> Yeah, we have to we should ask. >> I know they said it has to be state money, not federal money to match. >> So, county money because also the B the county um the thing they just approved for the county. >> Yeah. >> The walkway around the lake. I think that would count for some of that. >> Okay. So you again I don't know if that
counts for this planning the PAS which is a separate program than CPF but PAS has certain guidelines that are required and I I just don't know what they are just from going through them and what so yeah it's really the bureau that's going to have to
>> manage the financial accounting. >> So this is what you know Diane and I worry about when we talk about >> so do we want to try and schedule a subcommittee meeting with our CFO and whoever. Okay. Yes, >> I'll put that on my to-do list. Um, what do we want to aim for
>> as timing wise? Next week. >> Sure. Yeah, next week is good. >> Yeah, I think that's important. Some of it is preliminary but there is like the core mentioned in the last three meetings about this survey and I know and we asked them directly like if we
don't if we don't provide with the incline along the life of this year she said then they asked the borrow for a check at the end of the year for which is like 240. >> Yeah we don't want that. >> No we don't want that. Um >> so so this is a you know when we talk about the the PM in the town who we
because we can't do it from our perspective. we just don't know enough or have any of the authority. So, if we can put the CFO is the best person to do that with, that would really help. That would take a lot of stress off of myself and Diane and talking to the US because we're on the calls with them and they're going, "Well, how's your matching coming
along?" And I >> I will prioritize having our CFO there and then bring in other staff around her availability. Okay. Um, she can be harder to meet with because of her schedule, but um, I will
stress that we would prefer it be next week. Um, >> we'll have to do it in person. >> That's true. >> We could just do it online. >> That's easier for her. >> I'll I'll mention that if it's hard to schedule it. >> Yep. >> My preference would be to be in person in general, but she's right. She's right
here. She's >> I think so. Okay. Um, oh, I don't want to interrupt you. Go ahead. >> I just lost my screen. That's all. So, about the lake, I mean, is there any other lake?
>> We got an update. You know, in um in Congressman Smith's uh newsletter, it came out. He wrote they wrote in there that he had secured the funds. >> I felt like the same news from >> So, when I when I that's kind of a a misstatement. The funds are in there, but they're not secured until the budget
gets approved. Right. Right. So, I I wrote back to Joe, gave her an update like I do to uh I do give updates regularly to Singer's office, Kane's office, uh Chris Smith's office, Tom Arnan's office, either in person or by
email. It's just so they know the progress that they know that this things are going on. So, we wrote to her, Diana, wrote back and just thanked them, gave an update, and she just said, "We it looks good, but we can't raise a glass until the budget gets approved." And I don't remember if I told you that,
but I um happened to run into one of Senator Kim's staff who said that they are excited to support it when it comes to them. >> Oh, yes. >> That's very good. >> That's great. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I have to go to these >> fundraisers that I don't really like going to them, you know? I don't enjoy
them and I lobbyist. I'm like a lobbyist at this thing and I'm it's gotten so bad that they call me an environmentalist there. So, >> Oh, no. But it's it's important, you know, >> but if you weren't doing that, we wouldn't be in at least in consideration >> because this is just a federal budget
earmark for Belar New Jersey, which is >> kind of cool. So, >> what I've learned throughout this whole process >> is that uh and this is something that Diana and I just do on the side is that you have to completely stay engaged with the county commissioners. Well, you probably know this from Shark River, right? You have to be talking to the
county commissioners. You got to write them emails, tell them what you're doing. Um, you got to But you see him in person. Same thing with the assemblyman this and the staff of this of the senator and with Chris Smith staff. I I don't know. I now understand why they have K Street lobbyists. Whatever that
term is that you can make a living at this and it's uh and if you don't because everyone else is doing it and you have to do it better >> than the other people. >> So >> and do it for free, >> right? But if all this happens and we
land in oz with all of this money, >> the next step is for the bureau to really formalize what exactly do we want to do >> with this funding because the plan from the Army Corps should give us a specific set of choices >> to make choices will have to be made and then
>> we'll have to look at how to make this happen. Well, I think the critical thing once the report is complete is that at that point we need to consider some type of town hall where we can get resident feedback and present the entire plan to the people with the options. >> Um, and I think hopefully we would then
have a sense of um I'd imagine one option might be the obvious answer anyway. So hopefully, you know, but hopefully all three are good options. Yes. >> So if the CPF comes through, right, we would have generated for the town about
1.6 million in funding through this committee, this commission. Now the town has to come up with probably 7005 700,000 of matching funds. That's where everything really hits the road and making sure that we're lined up and that
they're managing that and the implementation comes because that's where we can't really that's that's like where we can't go any further. >> We just want to make sure it's clear. That's all. Yeah. >> So, um but you know, like I said, we're
we're applying for D grant. There may be may be other money out there that we'll be able to manage to get because like we say whenever we ask people for money, we're a small town. >> Yeah. >> With a small staff and a limited budget and we don't have the resources of >> Yeah.
>> New York or Jersey City or Atlantic City. We don't have that kind of money. So what we need is is help on a regional basis and that's what we've been asking for. So we'll we'll just keep asking >> the D one. How much is that for? I off the top of my head I think it's
>> that's a big money one I think >> is it 400,000 >> well we haven't completed it yet right so we don't we don't know we can't tell you really how much because we haven't completed it yet so we don't know what our ask is yet >> they were trying to figure out like what kind of like plan they could construct for the lake to just because they have
there has to be it's an implementation >> I'll be very curious to see what Montlair comes up with because the the grant questions themselves were so specific and rather granular um you know and team they wanted a very specific
plan and it's like sometimes I'm like we we're moving on all these parallel tracks at once and it's it's a little intimidating sometimes. >> Um but I doubt we'll ever be at a point where too much money is the problem. So >> you know y
>> no but it does become real when there's money. >> Yeah, arguably only becomes real when there's money. So >> excited. I I think this commission and the lake uh subcommittee just it's incredible how far that's come along for
that lake and it's going to you know I do think that would be a great public meeting when we can go through and share with them. >> Well, one of the things I was going to say and I was waiting for my final portion but um you know at our next meeting for council which I believe is the 27th is that right Sandy? 27th 29th
I think it's the 27th um I'm the Harvard Commission and I believe it'll be the chair of the Harvard Commission is in the presentation we'll be presenting on the year basically in review what the accomplishments have been um what the plan is going forward and that's
something I really would love to see pretty much every commission and committee do in town and I think this commission in particular has so much to brag about >> um and I would love to consider us doing one in general about 2025 and the accomplishments so
far. >> Um, and I'm happy to we have a template pretty much ready to go on that. Um, but you know, show off the money that we brought in. Do all these things. Um, and if you you guys want to do that, that'd be great. Um, I'm here to support. If you are shy and you want me to present
it, that's also fine. Whatever you want to do. >> Um, well, we did a year report last year. >> You did? Yes. >> It's a part of our short or the audience. I've submitted written ones in the past, but something like that is actually a really good idea.
>> Yeah. And quite frankly, what I really like to see happen is for Belmar to like deliver to the residents every year like a book, a year in review, everything. Um the commissions, the public public works, all of those things. Um an
overview of budget and spending. I I think it'd be really valuable for residents to see those type of things and to acknowledge the work that the volunteers are doing in this town because they do a ton of it. But that's my soap box. >> Sure. >> I like it. >> Oh, thanks.
>> Um, okay. So, the next item on the list is the shark. >> Before we go, let's stop. Just one second. So, if we're going to do that, >> we should say we're going to do it and and get it on the What do you call that at the beginning? The agenda. >> Yeah, the agenda.
>> The workshop. Yes, >> the workshop. >> Um, >> sooner rather than later. I don't want to wait till March. >> I don't think that that would be because we have generated so much material. I don't think I honestly think that we could sit there and bust that put it
together in like an hour or so. I don't think that would be that much of a lift. And if I'm wrong, stop me because I tend to get casual about timelines. But um >> but I'm just saying rather than put say we're going to do it and put it off. >> We can do we can make the goal for like
the first February meeting. Why not? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Do you want Last year I took a shot at the some achievements I sent you? You edited them, sent around to everybody want to do that the same way again? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you want me to use the template I've
used before? You have one? >> I think we should. My vote would be to use the one that we've been using that I put together originally. I think that's like visually appealing. >> Can you send it to me? >> Yeah. >> If you send it to me, I'll I'll I'll draft it. I'll send it around to Diane. Diane can send her after she can send to
everybody and we can finalize >> it collectively. >> So, this is what happens, Matt, when you retire. >> During the winter, don't try. I'm not doing this in the summer. >> Okay. February. Beginning of February. >> Great. >> We'll work on it. Um, okay. Shark Weber,
do you have anything you want to throw in? Nothing. Well, nothing particularly interesting. The most interesting news actually, >> you should. >> All right, I'll do it now. Um
um that grant we applied to, we got it fully funded. >> Yes. So, this is the the county is the primary grantee. Um and this was the one we did in collaboration with uh Avon, Neptune City, Neptune Wall. Am I missing
anybody? I don't think so. Um, and so each town was getting $25,000. This is resiliency planning around Shark River. Um, and the county got is it 100,000? I'll check. I can send everyone the full um grant that was submitted. Um, if you
recollect, we all met with DPW to generate all of the ideas that went into that grant. Um, I then wrote it. um our engineer helped with the budget um and then the >> county table round table. >> Yeah. So I mean this is a fantastic I
mean obviously the Shark River is crucially important import important to the burrow um and it informs a lot of the work we do. So I I'm really excited about this. >> So is it 25,000 just for planning? >> It's okay. That's good. >> Yeah. >> Otherwise no one will without the money.
No one's gonna write a plan. >> And I wrote a lot about Shark River, not Shark River, Silver League in the grant. So I need to go back and review how we budgeted and the questions and the ideas around it to see what we really get a
better sense and jog my memory of what we can use it for. >> Um >> so this is planning and then you said the county also got additional and what is because there's planning too or is there implementation? >> Yeah, they're primary. >> Who would write the plan? >> Do we have is that something you would
form out to the engineer? most likely. But I mean, we so we budgeted I remember the engineers, um, you DPW, police, they're all involved in this. Um, and like I said, I will share it with you. We can go over it with the country. >> I'm just going to what I was saying
before, who's going to write who who is in our town going to write the plan. >> I imagine ultimately the engineer. But like I said, I I'm couching this in caveats in case I'm wrong because I I haven't had time to review the We just
found out I think last night, >> so I haven't had time to go back over and review everything. That's great. >> That's Is that going to help Matt? >> Yes. >> No. Yeah. I mean, >> did the Shark Shark River Coalition's
also a community partner in this? So, >> yes. So, they get 25,000 as well. And um >> society. >> Yeah. Toro society's involved too. Um, I don't have the answer yet either, but SRCC hasn't met as a board since they got approved. So, I'm probably going to find out more in the next meeting. I
mean the the main vision is a collaborative effort to try to figure you know rather than each person who got money to go and figure something out themselves you know like that may happen to an extent but I think that the main vision is to like pick
>> use the money to come up with specifics about a project that would probably involve if not the whole Shark River >> that would obviously benefit all of the communities even if it's it ends up being like you know um use material from the navigational
channels to build up a shoreline somewhere to create co sources of material barrier or something like that like >> a lot more power if you all work together >> you know it affects everybody you know the the way that the channels are right now affects everybody and the barrier to
no one likes using the dword the barrier to dredging is always like what do we do with this like that it's a problem but you know one way to approach approach. It is to think of the materials and the channels as a resource to then use to go and put something in a place where you know
you could create a natural barrier that would prevent flooding or late action from causing problem where it's a problem now or it could be in the future. That kind of thing is the most exciting part because that kind of thing only happens with a lot of collaboration all around the common goal.
and essentially this is >> a state grant being given to the counties and the municipal the county and the municipalities. So you have that like really critical three tiered collaborative effort which I think is really how things get done. And what's nice is when you go for then execution money, there's more power if you can say
that we're all together doing it and somebody looks at that versus like individual. >> Great. I'll I'll shoot from that a little and say, you know, the role for the role for short river clinical coalition might be to an extent
trying to get collective feedback and community engagement rather than all the five different towns have five different meetings about >> Sharp River and what are your concerns about Shark River or coastal resilience in Shark River. If you could do that and that makes sense to have one. to some
kind of event where you like try to pull people from multiple towns >> and have a feedback session or something like that that that could become >> Yeah. So, what's interesting to me is, you know, the towns have opportunities to go after federal, state, and county grants to do things that specifically
impact the town, especially around flooding. You know, there's things that that have gone on when you look at the condition of some of the bulkheads, you know, and parks and all these other things as areas. But what we don't have the ability is what you're saying about
the river, right? And the river and the channels and the dredging materials. Do we still have like contaminants in them in this in the in the uh dirt that's at the bottom of the river from those old things? >> Someone have to go in and test. >> Yeah. So, so from that point of view, it seems like when you look at the looking
at a planning, you need like the coalition to go, what do I do about this river and the channel to make a safe and envir sustainable river and channel and the towns have to look, well, how do I hold up my end of the bargain to ensure that I keep the river safe and sound. It's a it's an interesting it's an
interesting approach what you're saying. If you could get if you get people to focus on the river because you know that's probably I would think what is the biggest uh when you look at priority areas I would think from your guys point of view all the work you've done and
everything you said is the river health itself is what is the is the biggest concern right now that unless something's done the river is not going to maintain its resiliency and sustainable >> and I think we've had all of these towns at the table cooperating
quite time >> without naming names. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely. No, no, it it was before my time, but when we try to go back and look from the last time there was collaborative effort, you know, we did this years ago. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Exciting. Good for you. I that'll be fun. >> Well, I Oh, no. I'll tell you. >> You know, SRCC was one of the people at the table, the the municipal partners. It wouldn't have happened without multiple municipal representatives
saying yes and showing up at those meetings and like that's where the momentum came from. >> Absolutely. Yes. >> The coalition is critical for doing that. You guys do great work. >> Is it does the county have a oversight role of it? Is >> that is Yes. That's so they're the primary grantee and they're the ones who
will have I guess essentially oversight is one way. Yeah. And you know submission of documents to reports and things like that. >> Is Joe and his staff going to do it? show the engineer. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, and we've been working uh forget the poor guy's name. I was just looking at his email. One second.
>> Um but um here we go. Pass on it. Urban Coast Institute's involved. So Tom Harrington from uh yeah from Mama. So from Urban Coast Institute actually was also involved in
this too. We have a lot of partners. So it's it's good. Um, and you know, and speaking of the dword dredging, I was going to also let you guys know that um, Spring Lake will be dredging Lake Ko. Um, so they've they got a grant, I believe they did a $900,000 grant. Um,
it's not the entire lake, it's the western side of the lake. Um, interestingly enough to to I'd say me, but I think all at the table. Um, their m that's clean materials. So those dredge materials actually >> Could you say that again?
>> It's clean. The dredge materials are clean. So, they will be going actually to Maruchcci Park and they'll be using it there. Those material. >> That's exciting. >> I think so. I think it's very interesting. I I'm trying to get more information on what their plan is for those materials. I think that's very
interesting. So, anyway, um on a practical note, the machines will be on in both Spring Lake and Lake Como, the town uh for about a week or so. Small update. >> That's nice. I have a small but extremely small uh lakes mailing list
going right now that I have to send that update to, but anyone else wants to jump on board that one. Uh so >> yeah. >> Okay. >> I can find I just find it fascinating to watch how the town, the county um
different towns try to work together. It's just fascinating to me that uh what the roles that everyone plays, you know, is so different than anything I've ever seen. Is it? >> Um, yeah. >> No, and I mean it's obviously critical like from shared services to these joint
projects. It's not things >> well and the trend line just has to keep going that way. We all I think get it joint service with geese and really call it um just two more items I wanted to to hit on. One is the um sustainable
jersey. I don't know if everybody's aware but they're taking the year off. So that means that we're we have more time to reapply for our certification, which is good because we have a lot of other stuff they're doing. Like >> you said they're taking a year off. I thought you meant like we're we're
vacation. >> They're also reooking at >> what they're having a planning year. >> Yes. >> Resiliency planning. >> They're also redoing their >> They're redoing the computer systems too and all their collection. a whole big
>> Yeah. But they'll still support grants and they'll still be there if we want to apply for more and all that kind of thing. But we don't have to worry about our certification at least for a couple of months, which is good because that's a whole thing that we have to talk about. >> And I know I is here. She wants to talk about her program that she's beginning.
So I want to give you the chance to do that. >> Thank you. You're welcome. So um the Bel I'm I'm going to start with the Belmont Magical Garden. And luckily we're going to actually weave in and out of everything you guys said which is so
at the Belmar magical garden we are having uh two more people in leadership role. One of me one of them is me and the other one is my friend and and wants to do some educational programs for not
for us but also for the township. So, we started today with a a sewing workshop, which is it's nice that I got warmed up to everything that is involved in some something like this. But anyway, we have
in February we have Billen from Rutgers doing preparing your home garden and then so we'll continue once a month we'll do some gardening stuff. Um so in addition to this I was thinking
to so it's very nice to talk to you guys but there are other people in town just as you discussed which are I mean there are two sets of people that we're interested in one people who are just interested and would like to talk and would like to share with their community
and stuff and the other potential volunteers people like me who are it's like I'm dying to do something, give them something to do. So, I want to get for not for you guys, but for us, for our town, to get this list of people
that we can actually send newsletters to and everything that you guys said. Um, so in addition to this Belmar magical garden, once a month, every two weeks, we can have community discussions around sustainability
and just as you said, let's do public things about electricity. as to public thing about electric blower, leaf blowers and so on. Um so going into
into April, April 26, so we want to gather everyone who goes on February and then probably in March we're going to have another one. So, gather all these people and then when we go into on April 26, we're going to have sort of, you
know, the the apex of uh community engagement in sustainability stuff. And so, I was thinking about the the this workshop. So instead of just having two keynotes where everybody kind of
gets bored and stuff like that and there are tables on the side that nobody gets to and so on, how about we have one keynote? So 1 hour 45 minutes plus 15 minutes of questions and then everybody
who's going to be have a table about electricity shade free commission environmental commission green team everything even honey or whatever whoever we can get into there um we'll have five or 10 minutes to John with the
candidates garden we'll have five to 10 minutes to discuss their project and then we have half an hour for anyone to go to whomever >> they are interested in seeing. >> So instead of having three talks and stuff like that sort of make
it >> more interactive. >> And I wanted So this is a a calendar by uh Adrienne Shatoi. She's >> she's on Facebook. >> Yeah. And um I talked to her about the Belmar Art Center and she said, "You
know, I can never sell anything at the Belmar Art Center and I said, "Would you be interested in bringing these things to our our meetings?" So I wanted to ask you if you guys are okay with having um
two vendors actually. So all nature, all >> this meeting >> at this meeting in April. Yeah. >> Oh, this meeting tomorrow. this meeting April 16th >> the one at Taylor Pavilion. I thought you meant this year. I was like, "No, I'm I'm all about 68y old."
>> Right. Right. Right. Okay. >> And then there's another guy who makes little birds out of wood. >> Oh. >> So, I wanted to invite him as well. >> So, you know, if you think it's your call, but every time every time I've been to seminars and conferences throughout my whole career, you have
that. You have people who are, you know, speaking. They have people who have tables talking about projects. They have a couple of vendors. I wouldn't see any reason why you wouldn't have benes. That seems small. >> At least to me, it does. >> I think you can make it however you want to.
>> Yeah, >> you're in charge. You're the parent. There's no rules. >> I might even buy a bird house. My bird house person is there. >> No, but I I want to also set you free to say I want to do I don't know the um the
person from Princeton, for example. We won't give him 45 minutes, but we'll give him a table 10 minutes to talk about his stuff and then people can go there and talk to him and so on. Electricity and everything else because otherwise we'll just have we have to pick three only. And the tables I don't
know I think people are tired and so on. So I don't know >> it's >> okay. So I guess it's it's your baby. You know how you do it? they support you. >> Okay. So then yeah, >> if you know I think every one of us has
been to the conferences when someone gets up to speak fall asleep and then you go out you get your bagel your coffee and you walk around and pick up your knickknacks to bring home to your kids, you know. So I think doing something a little different. >> We had that big cleanup thing where we
had 100 people or something like that and that was awesome. But the thing is when I got there an hour than later than it started, there was nothing to clean up. But that what if we get a group of volunteers or three people who would
lead and do clean up once a month cuz I mean who doesn't want to clean Belmar, right? Don't you go on the >> on the boardwalk on the beach and you see all this crap and it's like, "Oh, I wish I had a bag and clean this stuff
up." And then if we do this then other people will be inspired and so on. >> If you want to talk about cleanups you got to talk to our friends at DPW and they're you know they're the ones who we have have >> Yeah. There is a leazison for that type of
>> and but I agree with you. I I'd be happy if they had a schedule of monthly cleanups at different parts of the town. I think you get volunteers DPW if they but that takes >> month is probably yeah month is probably too frequent to be honest >> because I think then you start in the spring they have a lot of ocean ones and
>> no it makes sense that on timing in terms of what time because no one's going to want to clean in January >> I believe the last time they started to float one on the um first avenue beach to us and then said they didn't need it anymore that someone else had gotten there one
>> clean ocean action is the 11th >> you also We got to remember we can't do our cleanup this year too late around the lake. Remember it was a little tough last year cuz too much stuff has started growing. >> We should also think about maybe >> I don't remember. >> Yeah, it's too much stuff. >> We wanted to get the schools involved
and stuff so we were making them. We should think about that and when we want to >> but we you know >> there April. >> So what is our list of cleanups then? >> Do we have one? We don't have one. >> We've done the lake and we've done First
Avenue Beach. Those are the two. Yeah, >> that we did. Yeah. >> So, we've only done two. So, if you and people with who you're doing this with want to >> Yeah. No, I I'm I'm saying that we need to have an open list of those two
people, those two sets of people. >> Yeah. >> That we can and think about newsletter and stuff. Well, the little I know about it is there's a clean communities grant that the burrow received and a public works
appointed staff person who's in charge of that and so they have to keep track of the litter. >> So that's why they have to know about it because they have to come and see what was picked up. >> Yeah. >> They have to tally it. Yeah. Because that's part of the reporting requirement for the town. So I think and I think
that the grant also covers some extra help in the summer to help pick up around the beach. You see those young people that work in the summer picking up. So that's part of what the town receives in that grant. So in return they have to be um share information through the clean communities
coordinator. So any kind of cleanup would have to be they'd have to know about it. That's >> that's also the type of thing we should get that data. That'd be a fun thing to include in a >> success. Yeah. No. So, >> okay. Um, and I think the final was you if you wanted to talk about planning for
it or if you had anything else. >> Well, all right. We met uh December 15th and there were um several items. The first was the our city planner uh updated every five years
has to be update our municipal public access plan. >> So, that was updated and approved by the by the planning board. There was an ordinance for amending the seport redevelopment plan to accommodate
a proposed development. Um it says block 76 lot slots 3456 and block 66 lots 11 and 12. I don't remember the exact address though. >> It was back by the BHA building. >> Which one? >> It was back by the BHA at 7th Avenue.
>> Oh, okay. In the back. And u that was approved. not not unanimously. Uh and then um they made a we made yet another stab at trying to amend the sign ordinance like what's approved, what's
allowed and what's not allowed. And >> that was actually more more divisive than the >> see what I'm talking about like what you're allowed to do. >> They have one, but nobody enforces it. >> They don't enforce it. I don't want to mention they used to they used to
enforce it. properties and things like anything from the um >> flutter flags. Very vigorous debate about flutter flags. >> People love their flutter flags and some people hate the flutter flags. >> What are they? >> The big signs that have like a long
flag. >> Those used to be strictly verbotent and they were not allowed to have that kind of stuff. >> Yeah. And then like the tenth had those um a lot of the electric signage that was uh Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um
I have thoughts on this, but I'm not going to. >> Yeah, that's >> I also opted out of being on the signed subcommittee for some reason. >> Thank you. >> So, uh yeah, so that that that was shelved and uh the people who are on
that subcommittee are going back to the drawing boards. >> And and that was basically it in December. >> I think this has been like a two-year thing. >> Oh, yeah. I was on it. No, I already finished my three-year term and this is my next three-year term and it was on
before that when I've done a one-year term. >> Have a good night everyone. >> Thank you for everything. >> No problem. >> Good night. >> Uh Monday is another meeting and there's two developments that are uh being um
reviewed. one is um is the on main street like basically where the the old Delmare paint shop was that that whole development back there and on 7th Avenue I think there's a small building on one side and a lot on the other side that's being
>> proposed I think it was 139 units >> I thought that was the one you were talking about before the 700 >> is that the one >> maybe Yeah. I may have confused. >> Yeah, I don't remember the lot uh the lot and address thatation. >> These are all
>> but anyhow, these are 139 certain number of affordable huts going in under the affordable housing. >> These are all the plans that have been approved already as part of the settlements and and everything else that they talked about in the council. When you say approved, it's been it's gone
through several reviews, right, through the council with the U settlement, builders agreement, then it went with the TCRD with that was approved. I read >> I have a stack this big I have to look through for so I don't know who else new
programs >> done until it's approved by even though basically it's kind of >> a done deal if you read the newspaper municipality. So, which one is you said there's one this Monday? >> So, this one that I just mentioned, the
one on Main Street, the Delmare um the Belmar paint shop all the ways down to I guess where Stro is, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then on 7th Avenue. So, that's all one development >> 139 units. I think I counted those are two different
>> main shop to Stro is >> that's one. >> Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. >> Yes. So the one on seven is not the same as the one on >> what blocks were you talking I just pulled up the back. >> There you go.
>> Well, this is this was a different one. I don't have one for the meeting agenda. >> So there's one that's going to be like that here. There's seventh here. >> And then there's one that's over like strollers and clients and kind of makes that like U shape over here.
>> Executive West. >> There's the big one for Strollers Kleins. That's a two building one. Yeah. >> Right. And then there's the one going up on seventh. >> Yeah. Backed by VHA >> by Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, this is >> one of the tallest books. >> Yeah. I said I haven't read them yet. >> Poke the beard. >> All right. So, this is
>> the tallest building in town. >> Well, no. This says uh 5 501 507 511 Main Street and 7026th Avenue. >> I'm sorry. Let me look. But it's on the other side. >> Yeah, those are two different
>> All right. Those are two different. >> So I have like I said I haven't gone through the drawing bar restaurant there or something. >> Yeah. 507 the >> 507 which is now heaven. >> Pizza. >> You can date yourself by what you call the different
>> remember Evelyn I think it was Evelyn was >> Evelyn was on the other side. Evelyn's was over where the um condos are right now. >> Was an Italian restaurant. You can't afford that. >> That's right. Yes. What was it that >> was one that used to have the really good bread basket?
>> I used to work there. >> I remember very specific things. >> Is there anything left to be said tonight? Yes. >> Yes. I've got some stuff. Uh besides what I've already reviewed, I will tell you we have a Verizon update which is that um we had submitted a comment
letter because the FCC had put out a proposed rule that they wanted to do all these changes like the shot clock which is kind of how you know Belmar's original quagmire uh is 90 days. They wanted to take it down to 30. They wanted to eliminate any
aesthetic requirements. >> Um, and they wanted to um basically eliminate the ability to go to court over these and make Yeah. and and make it dispute only, which obviously would be heavily tilted towards um
the companies, the tech company. So, um, we submitted, um, comments and I just got an update from our, and the idea is I I kind of I want to push this further. Um, so we're thinking about going actually down to DC to meet with the FCC, but um, in the meantime, um,
apparently over 3,000 municipalities now, we've been we've been hustling. We've been trying to get them to people to submit. So, over 3,000 have submitted um, in opposition to these rules. >> So, we're hoping to still keep driving that number up. I believe we have till the end of the month, but it's already
starting to get in like the tech specific um outlet some attention on that. So hopefully that makes a big difference. There's also rumblings of imminent lawsuits if they go through with it too because of that Chevron case which any of you guys subscribe to my newsletter know um um was what we kind
of have were hoping would happen that um that that Supreme Court case which is problematic in different ways but in this case had the possibility of helping us in this specific instance with these mono towers. So that's that update. Um the other because you mentioned
newsletter I would say I met with our tourism an events person about um looking again at the burough newsletter. Um which before we I did it in PDF form which I thought was kind of clunky and outdated. Um so we're hoping to be able to use
other existing programming that the bureau already owns to be able to send out one that's a little bit more modern and updated and get one out soon. So if we want to send out related news and everything, shoot it my way because I'm hoping to turn something out. surveys
>> the survey for the leaf. >> So >> there you go. >> So >> look at that. Um so I'm hoping I mean that's kind of in my um January viewpoint. I think it'd be nice to have something go out in January. It just depends um on what we figure out as far
as the the medium for it. >> So when we do the newsletter, if you were able to set columns up, right, that if you wanted a silver lake update, one of us could write a silver lake update, one could do an energy update column, one could do a shade tree column. Those are the type of things I I know there's people in Sha Tree who wouldn't mind
doing that. I wouldn't mind doing stuff and sub and going with you Diane and sending to you and for putting in there on a >> of course I mean so >> I I have an unfortunate amount of experience with newsletters. Um
um so sorry I have a friend who's watching Breakfast at Tiffany's for the first time and I just got a very weird text message about it. Um apparently wasn't aware of Mickey B in that movie. So anyway uh
>> um so I have like I swear I've done like 20 to 30 different versions of corporate newsletters and organizational newsletters. uh my and including for Belmar and my experience is that everyone is initially very excited and says they're totally going to submit something every single time and they do
not do it. >> That does not happen. Um you >> said that I was like oh >> yeah exactly. Um you know when I originally came into council I was doing one a month and eventually I had to say like I can't just there's only so much of my time I can donate to this.
>> Um but that is to say yes send me whatever you want. Absolutely. I may edit it down for space. But um >> are you going to actually print them or is actually just virtual? >> Virtual would be the idea. I I believe last time like I said then that was the like I I felt like a PDF is very hokey
but um we did print a limited number and have them at Burough Hall for people who were walking in and out. Um but uh that yeah something like that. What what's nice is I want to explore actually and this it might be too much
information for any crowd but Canva now has the ability to design this stuff in HTML and put it there. So, I'm wondering how compatible that would be with the Kern Burough website. >> Um, which I won't go down that path again, but um but anyway, being able to even even if it's something where we send out
a link to it via Nixl or something like that because obviously there are people already signed up for the newsletter. But >> anyway, um with newsletters, my general mantra is under promise over deliver. >> So, we start off just saying we'll do this quarterly instead of the monthly.
um send to whatever you want. I I would Gary, you are probably the exception to this rule, but if I were you, I would not commit to doing anything regularly. I would say if I were you, >> I you know, you see what you see what I
write. So I I have no problem writing. >> I was say you are the exception to the rule. The 99% of people I'd be like, "Sure, send me whatever you want to." And I would expect something once a year. You would I feel like if I asked you to send me something weekly, you would do it. Quarterly would probably better too because you'd have more topical stuff like you wouldn't be trying to fit
everything in. You did it monthly, you know, trying to find topics, right? You like had quarterly there be enough content there probably. >> Exactly. And the the challenge with a newsletter for me was also how to make it not just like a cheering section for
the burough, but find that key balance of getting information out. >> Just to make sure people It's not that hard. We have meeting minutes, >> right? >> It's not that hard. He says >> you have meeting someone has meeting minutes. We have meeting minutes meetings. Planning board has meeting minutes and the roll of darkness and so
I just have to summarize it. Guess again Matt this happens when you retire. I have a little more time to do stuff. So I'm happy to help. >> That looks like the face of management in charge of a newsletter. But >> sorry
Sunday. >> So we can't sign up right now. >> Oh yeah. Yeah, I mean I it should there should already be a newsletter sign up on the burough website hypothetically, but honestly that website has been updated since it went into hidus, so I
don't know. That's a very good question. >> Do you get do you get alerts from the town that you should probably >> No, I didn't get there in a long time.
>> No, that's all I get. Yeah, I had to set boundaries. >> It should be in February. I thought >> that was that was the I haven't seen an update in quite a bit, but the original timeline was February and I have not seen anything to indicate that we were off timeline.
>> So, we committed to doing a year end report. You could pull out of that newsletter whatever >> seems like a good thing to pull out. So there's that. >> Of course. >> Yes. I promise. >> And I mean my general thing too, like I said, is that newsletter articles I there's one thing I'm strict on is that they have to be very short.
>> Yes. Short, concise sentences. >> How short is that? >> Five sentences. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Very small attention. >> All right. Are we are we packing it up? >> And so we are now I have a motion to return. >> Motion. All in favor?
>> I returned.