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The library board of trustees was sent by email to our local newspapers. You guys made Park Press and the Coar Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. a roll call. >> Okay. Um >> Danielle >> present. >> Okay. >> Bruce >> present.

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>> Mark >> present. >> Johanna >> present. Sharon on a boat. >> On a boat. >> Mike Katie,

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>> I think she said she was going to come and just watch at point. >> She she would be here. She might be a few minutes late. >> Okay. >> Okay. Move to approve the minutes. Motion. >> I'll second it.

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Oh, >> okay. >> All right. You had asked for more specifics uh to the Library of Things. Um so, Lewis and I spoke and did some research. We have a lot of numbers for you in terms of cost. So, Lewis, you're

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on. >> Thank you, Dave. Good evening, everybody. >> Okay. So um when last we left this uh adventure of ours here uh we talked about the uh the benefits of what of what a library of things is what its

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benefits are earlier and we've got a rough idea of some costs but now we're going to talk more details and we have some more more figures regarding usage statistics from other library things and then we're going to go into a cost analysis of what's going to be to set up

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a library of things uh using a storage shed uh as our housing option for that as well. So, um we're going to start with uh talking about other New Jersey library statistics and as I said we're going to talk about shed acquisition installation. We're going to talk about operating supplies display elements

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within the library. Then we're going to talk about the initial collection of items and it's three main sources items already on hand uh items through a a community donation drive and finally items that we purchase ourselves to start. Okay. Now there are over 50

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library of things throughout New Jersey. Okay. It's all throughout the uh the state. Oldridge, Montville, Mwa, Glenrock, Montlair, Bloomfield, Cedar Hills, Bergenfield, Cranford, Denville, Hackett, Montville. Now you see Redbank all the way in the lower right there.

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It's in red. And that's because Redbank is the only other c town in Mammoth County that has a working library of things. We would be the second town to have a library thing to raise patrons uh should you go forward with this. Okay.

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Now, of these towns, I picked like six or seven of them of varying uh of population sizes and uh just to get an idea of what their usage statistics were. And I went to get um uh basically what how many items were there in

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collection uh how many average checkouts per month and how many negative incidents they had in the past year. So we have an idea on what to expect. So town of Montdale, for example, population 8,600, they have 90 games and puzzles only, nothing else. Okay? And

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they average about 25 checkouts a month, and they've had zero incidences uh uh uh negative incidents with their patrons. Fanwood, slightly smaller population of 7,900, though closer to ours. Um they only have 60 items including multiple. So they have a smaller selection of

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items in uh to choose from, but they still average about 13 checkouts a month and still no negative uh uh incidents. F uh Longill 9,000. They have 121 items including multiples. Okay. And by multiples sometimes they have like uh

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they may have jigsaw puzzle 20 different kinds, right? So that something like that. Well, they average 15 most of the year, but they will in the summertime they will burst to 40. Okay. Uh and they had near zero. They could give me an exact number, but probably like one.

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They may have had a bad in whatever. Red Bank, the model that we used in the last meeting for our guidelines and and and uh setup. Uh they have a 13,000 population in there. They have 80 items plus multiples and they check out about

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21 items a month and they've only had like one negative incident in the last year. Okay. Mwa is the largest town in my selection uh at 26,500. They had 175 items with multiples. They have a large uh checkout activity had 169. That was

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in June. That was June's number. In May they had 162 checkouts. And in April they traded out 59. So they have a very high usage in there, which kind of explains they got 26,000 people in their town. So they probably do a very and

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they have a very active social media uh um uh presence and they really promote their uh uh library things pretty aggressively. And commensurate with that they had two incidents last year. Okay. Uh finally we got West Coldwell 11,500.

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They have 183 195 with multiples, 53 checkouts a month, and they only had like one negative incident last year. So to give an idea of what to expect, if we have a library of things of around between 60 to 80 items, I think we could

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possibly um fairly anticipate something like around uh 25 to 30 checkouts a month. It's something that we could um project as as a starting usage which may grow in time uh as our collection grows and as our ability to promote it grows

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as well. Okay. Now, how much does it cost to put this thing together? All right. Well, the first major thing is the shed. That is the the thing that's going to house the library of things. And there are several steps involved with it, each with its own cost factor. And this is in the

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order in which it takes. We're going to begin with the survey and zoning permits. Uh Avakian engineers are going to hang on to that. And as you can see in the in the in the handouts he got there, uh they explained what they're going to do. And for all of that, it's going to be $8,820. And that's for

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generating a survey with a site plan that shows the location of the shed on it. And that has to be submitted for a permit application to the town. Now, after speaking to the town, what's going to happen is we get the survey, we submit the permit application, and

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they're going to deny it because it's a use vi. It's a use violation. intended for prompting us to submit for a zoning variance and the zoning board will have we will have to go before the zoning board and make our case and Slovakian

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will be there to uh to be with us to uh to explain their ter and assuming we survive scrutiny and we don't have any neighborly opposition they will most likely though no guarantees approve to zoning uh zoning uh variance in which

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case we can move on to the next Yeah. Which anticipated variation for the yard set back? >> Uh, no. Yard setback is 3 ft uh uh from every um uh uh property line. Okay. So, that's not the use fire. The use variation is that we're not supposed to

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have a shed on your test. >> Accessories. Accessories. >> Yeah. Something like that. Yes. Accessories. >> Do we do we need the services of a lawyer? >> No. Avakian will serve in that. >> Okay. Okay. Now the next step will be site prep of which DPW will come and

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actually do the site prep. They will uh they will prepare the ground and layer the gravel out to add to proper drainage and support for the shed. And for that they quoted me $1,600. That's for the price uh for the u uh materials cost only. Labor is automatically included in

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the arrangement we currently have with finally thing the next step is the actual construction of the shed itself. That's going to be done by Oak Tree Sheds. That's 8355. That includes the assembly of the sheds in a prefab format, transportation, delivery here,

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and final assembly on site. Okay. Once that's all assembled and done, good to go, uh we're going to have it electrified and powered up so that we can have lights and electricity in there so we can more easily uh uh uh uh make

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it usable not only for this but also futurep proof it for future uses down the line. Okay. Now, that is going to be done by Atomic Electric, and that's going to be $5,100. That includes um putting a line out from the from our

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box, digging a trench, and running a line underground over to where the site of the shed is. And then they will also in install the wiring, the outlets, and the light fixtures in there. Okay? And then once they're done, then DPW will come back and they will outfit it

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internally. They'll put they'll insulate it, put vapor barriers and a plywood wall covering in there. This makes it weatherproof so that anything that we store inside will be protected against u uh high temperature changes and also

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humidity changes as well. Okay. So, all in for all of this stuff, the grand total comes out to $26,175 just to have the shed built and installed here. Okay. Now, after that, the shed

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>> uh 10 x 20 and it's going to be a high shed so there's going to be plenty of room for when we put the shelves in there's going to be room so we don't we don't lose the top shelf capacity as well. Okay. Uh and by head I'm high I'm talking about 8 ft. Okay. Now after that

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we have to manage the collection in there and that's going to require things like storage shelf racks, storage bins and storage pouches to contain the items to make sure all the pieces are collected together and kept together. Um fasteners, laminator machine because I have to laminate all the tabs and labels

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for this thing. Uh ziplockc bags and other uh nec miscellaneous items. So an estimated cost to gather all this stuff would be about $600. Uh the good news is the shelf racks are going to be donated. Uh Kenny Pringle is uh been kind and gracious enough to offer to supply all

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the shelf racks we'll need uh for this thing uh free of charge. Uh so apparently they're getting ready to uh clear out their office building for their new construction project. And in the back Dave and I went to check it out the other day. They are loaded with shelf racks. They're looking to get rid

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of them and they're kind enough to get them to us. These are these are sturdy, strong shelf labels. A they didn't they didn't skip on these these shelves. They're really good. So 600 bucks for that. The next step is because the library seems to be out there. We have

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to have an in library display element so that people can shop it and see what we have and it tells us and communicate to me what they want to take. So, we're going to have a media shelf unit on the wall on the outside of this room over here, and it's going to be use we're going to use blank DVD cases with uh

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preprinted labels in there that will show exactly what we have. And the media self is ideal and DVD faces is ideal because that gives us the maximum flexibility so that when I run out of space to face everything out and our collection grows, I can just start

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bookending things and it'll we can it'll without needing to add more shelves, it will still expand and accommodate a growing collection in there as well. And then we're going to have some signage uh elements that we're going to have here and a signage element to go upstairs so

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that upstairs people can see that there is a library of things. It'll direct them down here to see the stuff that we have for the library things. And so all that kind of stuff is going to cost about roughly $400 right there. Okay. Now

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our uh collection item is going to fall under four different main categories. Recreational, outdoors, and entertainment. That'll be the party items, the games and puzzles, sports equipment, things like that. Creativity, music and educational, that'll be the sewing machines, the musical

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instruments, crafting and science things as well, telescopes if you want to go there. Household home improvement and health items, small appliances, tools and equipment, mobility assistance items as well. Uh, and then we have audiovisisual home office and

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electronics. So from protectors, legacy media adapters, DVD, CD players, uh and all sorts of other uh electronic devices that we have as well. Okay. Now, as I mentioned earlier, we're going to source them three main ways. Items currently in

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our possession, a community uh donation drive, and items we purchased new. Currently, we have about 20 items that we can add uh put directly uh into the library of things. We have a codec scans a slide and film converter which takes

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the color slides and automatically converts them to dig digital files on your computer. We have microphones. We have a digital multimeter. Uh we have the digital projector that we currently use. We will use that and we will upgrade to a new projector for ourselves

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later on. Uh XLR cables. Those are the same cables that musicians use to connect their instruments to their amps. Um saddle stapler. We have an electric three-hole punch and stapler. We have webcams, paper shredder, we have two pop-up tents,

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two midsize coolers, and you'll see I'm going to be looking to get a larger one. A Dremel multi-tool kit, a Dremel engraver tool, digital caliper. We have a mate tag iron, a Singer sewing machine. Oh, come on. Hang on.

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Just mess with that. My apologies. >> Dave, can you grab my mouse? >> Yeah, move it. >> Sorry about that. I don't know what's going on. Oh, come on. Okay, they're That's all for like events.

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>> Okay. So, those are the items that we have currently on hand. Okay. We have two sewing machines and a USB musical keyboard uh to throw into the uh throw into the mix as well. And these are most of these items are remnants of the old maker space. Okay. Uh that we that we

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have for sitting around. There may be a few other items buried somewhere that I'll dig out later and I'll add them in. That's why I find them right there. Now, community donated items has to be take items in. They have to fall under certain criteria. One, they got to be clean, complete with all parts and accessories. They have to be fully

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operational. Has to be safe to use. So, I'm I'm going to say no to the circular saws and the jig saws and anything with flying blades or anything like that. No flamethrowers or anything. uh it has to be given fully and completely with the understanding that we are making no

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commitment to use the item at all. There's no commitment to use it frequently and there's no comm no commitment of how permanent we keep this in our collection. We can we're free to do with it as we will and all be subject to the same criteria for evaluation and

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disposal uh as any other item in the collection that we get. And finally, if we have to dispose of something that gets donated or or ultimately does not work for us anymore uh based on its condition, we'll either donate it, we'll either recycle it, or we will trash it

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depending on what it is. Okay? So, that's what we'll do for things that don't fall into our finally um oops, there we go. Come on. All right. So, these are items I after researching and looking around uh what

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other libraries have. This is a bunch of items that um I'm looking to see that we should probably acquire to help start the library of things. Uh an acoustic guitar that includes a case, um picks and and an instructional play DVD allin

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one kit. Uh we're looking at uh cordless power tools, a wet dry vacuum, sewing serger machine, socket wrench sets, large cooler, stand mixer, pressure cooker, a VHS digital converter. That'll be a popular one. Uh folding cargo

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wagon, portable air tire inflator, air pump, uh board games like Monopoly, Cards Against Humanity, things like that. uh a vinyl LP record player. Um a metal detector, lawn games like cornhole ring toss. There's a hatchet throwing

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one as well uh out there. It's pretty cool. Large Bluetooth speaker, an outdoor power bank, um cordless leaf blower, karaoke machine, and a pressure washer over there. Altogether, these items total for 27 $2,817.

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Now, that number will stay constant. So, let's assume some of these guys got donated, right? if they got donated, obviously I don't need to buy it, but I'll just replace it with other items on my much bigger wish list that I've developed in researching this and uh and there's gonna be many things to uh to uh

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to get with that as well. So, finally, when you add it all up and you throw in a $3,000 contingency in case something goes wrong and we get a little surprise, the final cost of investment here will be just a hair under $33,000.

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Okay. So now when these numbers started trickling in and we started to put this all together, you know, uh Dave and I looked at it and we we started exploring other options um other alternatives to this and Dave's going to tell them to

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you right now. But before we tell to Dave, does anybody have any questions before I tell you? >> Can I get a copy of this? >> Absolutely. Yes. And if anyone wants a copy of this, let me know. I will email you the email. It's a lot of work. >> Good job. >> What's our What's our current storage

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situation? >> What was the question? >> It's It's not good. We We have >> our current storage situation. >> We actually um have to get rid of some things in the boiler because of the fire marshal coming. So it's

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>> so we're at capacity with the building. >> Yeah. >> So even if this thing flopped, the biggest number up there is 26 grand per shed. Even if this failed miserably and oh no, we still have a use for a shed >> fully electrified weather. >> Yeah, we could. Yeah, we could

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definitely use it >> because I say that's a this is a big investment on a Navy. >> Yeah, >> you know, but if we're talking about something that we could pivot and still use in a more utilitarian sense, then it might be more more >> agreeable.

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So with that that thought u and before we um go on to that one of the other concerns with the shed being there is even with all the rain that we received the other day last time we had the storm where it came in came up through the sewer it it was flooded right where

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we're looking at for the shed. So it would probably that cost with DPW might be a little bit more to elevate it. Um but during the storm we just so you know we got a little bit of water down here but but for whatever reason it didn't go over here but this property was flooded.

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It was flooded over here we had to close. So that's also a concern I want to you know bring out to you. So with that concern and the cost I just said well maybe there's some other creative way that we can um have this at a different location kind of like the maker space. Um, so I talked to the

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mayor, spoke about the the firehouse right here and what's going on with that. Now, there's some things going on with that in terms of, you know, they're going to have to make some renovations and things. Uh, and it would take some time. EMS, I think, is considering. This

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is all considered. This is just talk. >> We have, >> you probably know more about this. >> I can tell you about it, >> right? So, the thought is EMS going over there. You would have the thought. I didn't get a chance to talk to the Marriott in Lake Ko, but there's a I don't know what they're doing with where

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EMS is at this school. If you remember, there's a Monasuri school uh in the board office that we brought over when I was there. They're not there anymore. Um I've been talking to Jimmy about an annex at at the school, which which has

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a lot of would have a lot of benefits to to the students. Um, and we're not allowed to pay rent uh by law, but we can we can do other things to uh kind of like Taylor Pavilion, you know, that we're paying for the instructors. So,

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uh, Jimmy's very interested in that. It's an open space. We went to take a look at it. Uh, the only there is that the one side is only used from 1:30 to 3. That door could be locked in the back. It's a, you know, it's not a

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classroom. they just use it uh there. Um which is really the other negative would be like pickup and drop off. We we wouldn't be able to have it during open during pickup and drop off and during that time, but that could be kind of lunchtime. It could be doing other

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things. You could open it up again. Um so those are the things and I'm not done. We actually uh thought of some other places but I haven't talked to those leaders yet. Haven't gotten through to them. That that's the thought if this is looked at as something that's too expensive as you said as a maybe and

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when you know when I look at it I would be happy if we averaged about one thing you know per day obviously you know average that would be our goal that we would we would not look at Red Bank and say okay they're larger than us they're going to have more I think we could do a better job in terms of social media and

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promoting it. So I think though that's reasonable for us to get an average of about 30 things per day. Um well sorry let me interrupt you just with regard to the idea of um remote storage option

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would you would you envision that being staffed during certain times >> or uncertain times that's an addition so that's an additional cost too but there are some >> yeah there are some um it depends on how we would use um Lewis's schedule and how

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we could it wouldn't be a direct, you know, increase of, you know, is 35 hours a week. You know what I mean? >> Is it usually Lewis plus two people staff in a building? >> So, it's in the evening it is Lewis and another person and and then uh during

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the day when it's busy, it's two people upstairs and Louis is is here. Um, but we were talking about increasing, you know, his hours for other things as well. So, it's it's it's not a direct increase in cost. It would I haven't had the opportunity to I've talen to Jimmy a

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few times in the film but not to really go down. So I can't give you like a increase of cost. It would be an increase of staffing cost. >> Well, right now our largest budgetary line item is staffing because of the hours that we keep. We want to have the building open, right?

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>> You know, if we're talking about adding additional staffing or not necessarily staff but manh hours, you know, that compounds and becomes very expensive very quickly. So, you know, um we have some other um

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ways that we could um we could not, as I said, kind of work the schedule that we might be able to be a direct increase of all those hours. >> Um but, um I just wanted to to bring that up to you. And and the other thing

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is I I'm concerned about having it in that location, you know, um if we had a flood like we did that one time and then with the snow and whatnot, I I think if we had the space, I don't know why we wouldn't we wouldn't do it. But the problem is our space. Um I know

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that communities love Library of Things that they can come. They're in trouble. There's uh with their tire, they don't want to have to have their car towed. they can come and get their tire pumped up and drive down, you know, drive a couple miles to get it to their or uh

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they need to shred things and they don't want to have to wait. I mean, there's just there's there's numerous and people really would appreciate it. I think it's a great thing for us to do, but I just want, you know, if you have a concern with the cost and where it would go and

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if we would have a problem with zoning, um, bring that up to you. One other aspect to consider is um uh what we get with the shed is going to be a wholly owned, wholly controlled and

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wholly operated by the library solution. So we would not be dependent on a third party in uh in uh providing space or operational use of something to operate library things. So it's great to have uh these alternative items. It's definitely

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at a lower upfront cost. It'll be a faster way for us to get up and running more more as quickly. Okay. But know that the same fate of the maker space could befall the library of things if uh if we uh if we're going to be totally

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reliant on that. So that that element is there. So the upfront cost of the shed may be high but two manufacturers is wholly controlled by us and it's futurep proofed for future use for alternative items as well. Can the annex building

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just be like a temporary >> solution like trial run see how it goes and then >> we could do that you know >> that could be a temporary start see how it goes and then the stocks up then we can say okay it's worth investing in

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this and then uh and and plus when you consider that DPW is too busy to do anything for the summer so we would have to wait till late September or earliest and yet anyway And this would be a quicker way for us to get started. >> Idea did too. There could it doesn't necessarily need to be immediately on

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demand. You know, if you need something, you put a request in, you have to wait an hour and give >> us the opportunity to go retrieve it and bring it back here. >> Oh, no, no, no. Uh, as I understand, if we were to have it over there, >> I understand that's one model.

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>> I'm saying there's multiple models where it would be that would be less intrusive to the school as a whole or whatever potential facility it was. would also um minimize any need to fit out space because it is truly just storage you know at that point it would just be retrieve

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>> can you talk louder please >> actually >> I have so the other models that you're talking about that would take it outside of the library um is there any issue with liability or will we have to be sure you know

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>> with that yes >> I think there's a whole liability issue with this whole thing still need Yeah. >> So, >> yeah, we we we could use a certificate of insurance though with the school. They would require that. >> I'm sure the fire town would probably

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want it, but I I don't know what what it was with the maker space with the church if I would think the town was providing us. So I I don't I'm more concerned with uh we would have to do that but more concerned with being careful with what

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items were handing out. Going >> to point those are two separate processes and the idea of a retrieval model where we retrieve it and bring it here or one of our staff is going to a location seems like it would have a different profile than >> there are two different

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>> public going to there are two there are two different models you could look at. Okay. One is a retrieval model where >> I'd be based here and people say, "Oh, I want to get this." >> Then I say, "Okay, hang out here. I'm going to go get it. I'll be back in 15 minutes." And I go all the way over

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there and pick it. >> The other op the other model is an on-site manning uh uh uh uh model where I would be stationed there. people will be able to walk in and the shelves will be lined up where things are set up so people can literally shop it themselves

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as opposed to uh going so they can shop it much like they're shopping books upstairs. >> That sounds lovely but expensive. >> Awesome. >> We got someone manning a space, >> right? And with a target of one use per day, it seems like an inefficient use of

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man. Manning a position for three or four hours >> and our anticipation is to to move one item. You know, that immediately increases the cost per item or per use >> potentially. We could have a particular

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time only a few hours where it's or it's van or um but yeah that because for that to think that at any time Lewis would go and pick up we would we again it would be manh hours again to make sure we only have two here you know when you when

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there's three. Yeah. >> But I I do hear you. I mean that was my concern. I think it's great. I think the community would love it. My c my concern was um well three things actually uh number one safety the things being

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handed out that we >> can you please speak louder >> I can't hear you >> in terms of um what would be dangerous for um for people in terms of use that would be number one and number two

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>> u would be the cost of the shed that was my second and uh and then how and third would be how how it would affect what we're already doing. You know, those are my, you know, three concerns, but the community

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would I think would love it. >> So, you just went through that list, but you also seem to be very concerned about the environment out there. So, regardless of anything else, the environment is not good.

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>> Yeah. The other concerns kind of become secondary because if we solve them, we still use them. >> We still have an issue >> with with that in the back. >> I you know I I would think we would have to have some type of valuation of how high we'd have what we'd have to put it

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on, you know, up there. I can tell you when we had the water problem, it was up to I would say midway between the ankle and my knee that one time. The other day I was at the Neptune Library and got

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stuck. So I I couldn't get back here. I wanted to look. I saw this and we closed down the library, but I I didn't look here. But I did ask Erica to take a look and and uh they said that they didn't see much here, but it wasn't able to. But again, that doesn't mean we could

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get a rainstorm again because remember it was quick. It wasn't long. The one here was it was heavy and it was remember it was like a day long of rain. And so that's you know, someone would have to really >> Well, isn't there a way that we could um

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look at elevating it and how much more that would cost? I mean, that's like the most >> I just don't know how high because it's it's always so >> I think I don't know the order here. I think avakian would actually be part of that part. Yeah.

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>> The the flood insurance rate maps are usually >> pretty. >> And the other question I have because that property is going up for sale next door is for sale. Well, I think it's actually in on contract.

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>> So would the white house. So would that be an issue too with the new owners saying, you know, if we're building a shed >> near the area, >> right?

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>> Concern I have is uh insurance coverage. uh like you said, you're not going to have saws, stuff like that, but uh if someone gets hurt, >> uh I want to make sure that we have that proper coverage and that you know, >> stuff like that. Is that

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>> Well, basically, Red Bank have something like that. >> Yes, they do. They have it's they have their uh their town insurance covering this, but it's also augmented and with the use of approved legally approved uh liability waiver forms and documents. Okay.

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>> So, those samples that I showed you at the last meeting, >> those are what their their uh burough legal attorneys have approved for them to use. >> Okay. So, that should something go wrong, their liabilities covers them and and that they'll stand by that. >> I just want to make sure we have proper

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coverage. >> We don't care what other libraries have. >> Oh, as far. >> Yeah. Like what does Redbank have? Redbank cat. They have a large collection of cake bands. Cake pants.

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>> Cake pants. Yes. Okay. You know, like Mickey Mouse, Minnie Mouse, all this kind of stuff right there. Um, they have they have uh power garden tools like uh they actually have h trimmers and they actually have like hair blower, air blowers, things like that. Uh they have

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um a lot of like small electronic gadgets as well. They have >> Is there an area that like they see a increase in circulation for? Is it like homegoods or is it I wonder what their trending items are? >> They're they're home improvement goods.

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Uh the hedge trimmer is their most popular thing. >> But that falls outside our category of what we want to do. So, but other power tools like that was popular as well. Okay. Uh games and puzzles have been another popular one. >> Popular.

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>> Okay. Jigsaw puzzles are big. Okay. Um and also they what else do they have? Um some some libraries include in their collections museum passes. They consider that a thing. >> Okay. Uh well every library has the

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museum passes but some of these collections they include them in their collection but um I mean we could always get music and passes here. That's not a big deal. But um uh yeah and oh musical instruments >> and that's big circulation >> big circulation guitars uh electric

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guitars uh flutes uh one one library uh I think it was um ma someone donated 10 ukuleles to them >> and that's cool >> a local school's music class was having an event celebrating their music teacher

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and they they signed out seven ukuleles at once Cool. >> To do that stuff. So that was a fun story. So yeah, so musical instruments um for several reasons. One is a lot of times young kids, they come to me and they say, "I want to play the guitar."

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Well, they don't want to spend the money to give them a guitar. So they sign it out so they can play it. They can get the figure and if they they like it, then they know to invest in it first. >> Is it like a two week? >> Two weeks. >> Two week borrow. >> Two weeks. No renewals. >> Okay. No renewals. You get to use it once. The whole the whole purpose is for

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them to use it and uh for the time they need it, bring it back. Otherwise, we'll have people renewing over and over. >> All right. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> In thinking about the maker space um and what a disappointment that was for, you know, residents when when we weren't

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able to utilize that area anymore. Um I'd really love to see if there's something that we can do. So, like what Mike was saying, we need storage anyway here. Maybe let's take a look at that knowing that we are taking some risk in the property um with water as we are

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still here. I mean, we're not changing the footprint of the library just yet. I understand we're not putting anything on the ground. Um but I I' I'd be interested in looking more at that. to that point the we're we're citing the shed in the corner there

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away from behind the the library so that if we do anything in the future the shed will be out of the way >> right I remember you saying that I think that's a good a good idea if we're able to do it but I do understand the risk of you know the water that's that's aar

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issue >> um any more discussion Where would you like us to go from here? Do you need more information? Is there something you need? You want me to talk about other locations? Is it or let's not go there? Let's think of this

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shed as, you know, worst case scenario. We have extra space and let's raise it up or >> we talked to the town. Have you talked to the town about um legal insurability yet? >> I haven't. I want to make sure you

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>> I think I'm in favor of exploring this further. What's the general consensus? Is this >> is anyone dead in the water on this one or do we feel that it involves additional exploration? >> No, I think >> we needed I'm sorry. >> No, I I was just going to say that I you

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know considering that that storage and how to do it and where to do it is a is a question. I was wondering if these 50 uh libraries that you looked at had that kind of problem. many of them was storing things off site.

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>> Some are uh many of many of we're like small, right? So many libraries do manage to have uh they're using like a spare meeting room. They're using some other room that they have uh as their place. Red Bank has a storage room for

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some of their excess multiples whereas they display a lot of their stuff literally on the floor uh so people can shop it as well. Um so obviously we don't have that space. Some libraries do have off off uh building uh storage uh

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space. I can explore that further. I was going to say I asked you if you had seen anything that was particularly interesting or you know creative about some of the ways that people have done this because this sounds like something that's going to need some creativity. >> Well, yeah. I mean I I know some libraries have because they've shown

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they're they're in library displays because they don't a lot of them don't always put everything out on the on the floor because there's it takes a lot of space to do that. >> Okay. Because you figure like a hedge trimmer is like this long. So that's a lot of shelf space. So, they tend to

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store all that big stuff in the back. So, uh, but on the floor they do things like the DVD case I was talking about or little card slips on a wall. Um, one library. I don't know what they were thinking. Did some kind of cute little

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cards on a string type of thing. Like a mess to me, but oh well. Um, but uh there are a lot of different ways to display, but a lot of libraries do have stuff mostly in back storage. Um, and some do have outside stores like what we're going to what we're exploring.

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>> Well, it be interesting you maybe to look at that a little bit just if you if a few of the places you know occur to you that if they look like they overcame a problem or something like that and then also if they have remote storage let's ask them how they deal with that personnel.

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>> Okay, I can do that every remote storage. I I think this is a great idea to begin with the library of things and I can see it being very popular. Um, one of the things that I liked the most about it was that it was bringing people to the library and that

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they would be have to come in to check it out. So, you know, promoting what we have in our programs and actually having them in house um brings something to the table there. >> Mark, did you comment? I just if we

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decide it sounds like we got moving forward here part of it should be it what the additional cost >> impact for whatever >> it shouldn't be

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>> supposedly there's an old river underneath I think we're done with the library of things for now. Any last comments? >> No. >> So, if you could bring this up. This is the evaluation we talked about last time in terms of with the engineer uh to look

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at the facility in terms of electrical, plumbing, air circulation, lighting, uh also our space and our HBAC. Um our but I sent this to Michael

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because of his his experience and um what his thoughts were. A couple other things that that was um you know do we need an some type of evaluation of the elevator? We definitely do. We have been having some problem. >> I don't know if Barbie is the guy to do that. That might just be

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>> right. I was thinking maybe asking them if they know of someone because we have been having some problems with the company. So maybe is there someone else that we could use? Yeah. But >> just asking not him. When was that? 85. >> The elevator.

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>> I was told early 80s. Is that Is that Do you know that? >> What? >> The elevator early 80s. >> Early 80s. Yes. >> 82 83 right now. >> Um, also if you look at the second

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paragraph at the end, Michael uh suggested that we say the including the possibility of future expansion. So putting that into the evaluation under structural evaluation to uh identification of probable loadbearing

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and non-loadbearing wall assembly. >> Yeah. So these are just >> but the idea being I'd like to know what our optimes are. >> Yeah. And that's another thing I mean I don't think we could fit if we're looking at um redoing the whole

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downstairs even with taking the boiler if the boiler can come out and use the the heating from upstairs. Uh could we have some space for the library of things maybe depends on what the what it comes back with the plumbing. You know we talked about a second bathroom so

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that's uh that's there as well. Um um so again review the consolidation of existing HVAC. So what I'm doing is these suggestions as long as you're okay with it. I'll um I'll go back um to uh

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Jim and add these in. I don't think it's going to mean that much of an additional cost, but I'll check on that. Um then also the evaluation uh relocation of sanitary connections. Um and I think

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that was that was it. So there's wasn't too much too many changes that Mike recommended. Um you could take a look at this. Um but what I would like to do is the good news is when we had the project for the

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26,000 for the doors and the the front of the the building, the floor and the outside of the building and all the fixes that that we had renovations that we had done, which uh that's all been paid for. We do have an additional 30,000 coming back to us from that 206

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that was quoted. >> So money that was already allocated Yeah. was left unused. Correct. >> So we could reallocate it >> for this without having a change in our >> estimates. Yeah. For capital expense. Right. Correct.

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So the cost there of 30 30,600 um just in case there's a little increase I would ask if you wanted to do a motion you know a little bit in case some of things we added but you know um

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move it up >> that number >> use that number okay negotiate >> yeah negotiate okay the aggressive side >> got it okay all right So uh any comments discussions? >> So my my my my thinking in this process

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is to understand where our infrastructure really is. You know the idea of if we want to improve upstairs, if we want to paint the walls, no point paint the walls unless we fix whatever's behind them. Um so I'm hoping that we can get a better sense of where all of

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our mechanical electrical systems are. A better sense of what walls down here are structural and nonstructural. a better sense of where all of our sanitary connections would have to go or could be so that we could take a much better larger view of

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adjustments to the building, you know, in favor of advancing our strategic plan. You know, anytime you rip up a wall, you got to figure out what's in the wall. Anytime you change one system, it's going to affect another system. So, I'd like to kind of get a better view of all the systems and how they're working

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together so that we can be as say efficient as possible in enhancing the building or simply maintaining the building in a responsible manner. Yeah, got the three three HBAC systems, you know, working together or fighting each

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other. One of them is we probably got 110 year old pipes running through the running through the building just like in my house. you know, it's it's it's something I think we need to evaluate and just aesthetically making upstairs down here a bit more renovated uh I

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think would be a positive thing, but not if we're going to have to rip it up to fix a pipe or not if uh we got to replace the wiring or things along those lines. So, this would be enough information for us to move forward with whatever next project, whether that is

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an expansion of how we might be able to put in that extra bathroom or be able to, you know, work with the elevator. >> Would this be enough information for at least being able for us to make those future? >> I think it would give us a good baseline

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to make decisions. >> You know, do we want something as simple as do we want to paint upstairs? Well, We don't want to paint if we have to replace the hot water pipes. Do we have to replace the hot water pipes? Well, if we just move to a single HVAC system,

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the consolidated space anyway, that approach might kill a couple, it might knock off a couple different items on the checklist, you know. So, I think this would give us an idea of what the parameters are to make those decisions. >> If we want to reconfigure downstairs,

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well, we need to know exactly which wall load bearing. We need to know how we could reconfigure the heating and cooling. We need to know what's going to be in our way. And I think this would give us a good baseline on that. Won't be perfect. They won't be able They can't see through the walls, but they

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can give us a sense of of what's um if we are if you are in agreement to this, if someone would be willing to do a A motion to approve this >> motion to approve the scope of services and cost proposal for Wilmar library

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facility assessment. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Yes. >> Should probably do a vote with this. >> I any

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nos? Okay. So, be in communication >> negotiating. >> Okay. Uh, and lastly, just an update on the the the sign. Uh, Sharon kind of was wanting, you know, a signing sign. I

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know some of you like the idea. Um Bernie is and I are actually going to pull out all the it's uh it's not really I don't know what you call that stuff underneath the um the guitar but people stand on it to take pictures and

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whatnot. So, what we need to do before we do that is to pull that out, put some papers down, some flowers around where they don't get stepped on and have so people can stand like they like with the with the guitar and then just move the

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the sign, you know, the sign in kind of off to the side and also the historical uh one down with the QR code. We just have to move that so they're like this so people can walk up, take the picture. So that's that's and Bob actually already uh the gentleman who did the

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guitar he already has it ready the sign in little hut uh but it's going to take some other things to do before that but I just wanted to give you an update on that and I did I I also thought of um you know just giving you an update on the water. We did have about an inch down

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here. It was not anything like last time with the sewage. Um, and we're thinking, um, Lewis came in to take a look and he did see some bubbling kind of towards the center. It's not just coming out in from the walls, which is it's coming up. So,

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>> you saw water coming from the cracks. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's it's um, you know, we were concerned before that the the French drain wasn't doing its job. Uh, I think it is doing its job, but it can't keep up. And then it's coming up.

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Yeah. Yeah. And it did but it did not come in the back door this time. Um but again that's because we're pretty sure there was a water back there this time. That kind of happened last. So that's uh that's it. My update

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uh treasur. >> All right. So our budget amount is1,84,44 spent to date is $492,7289. Waiting to pay the vendor is $43,188. So spent to date and waiting to pay the lender is $535,830.77

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with a balance of $548,57323. >> And just so you know, most of that, you know, if you look at the approximate million 500,000 180 of that was the outside of the building. So >> yeah. Yeah. So sometimes uh in the past

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I know we've used money from reserves. We did not it came out of the budget. So we're keeping our reserves high. If there's ever if you ever have the decision to um either use it for some of the things we're talking about or to an addition. >> So operationally we're already about

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$35,000 track pretty closely last year. >> Yep. Any old business? Any new business? >> Any comments from the public? >> Anita Buckley, First Avenue. How much are we paying for this engineering report?

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>> 30,600. >> Are is it included? Are they going to do a water evaluation like where our water's coming from or you know the issues that you're talking about? >> Plumbing plumbing is included. >> Well, the the water coming in the building, the the surface, the outside,

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you know, whatever that is. I'm I I am ignorant. The water we have issues of the water coming in an engineer. Is he looking at anything? Is that something that can be included? >> Yeah, it's not in the scope. It's not or

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can't should it be not. Um, so to be clear, we're paying $30,000 for an engineer to come in and say we have pipes behind the wall. Do we have are we are we coordinating with

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what a plan is? Are we are we looking at where we want to go? Do we have do you have a vision of where you want to go or what you want to do to question this? You know, like, can we

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put a bathroom back there? Like, do you I'm just a little confused because to me, this sounds like this guy's coming in for $30,000 and he's going to tell you you have hot water pipes behind the wall, which I can tell you right now. You have

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hot water pipes behind the wall. No. Okay. All right. Lastly, now you're really going to try hard here to take away the fact about my feelings for Pat Rody. You're going to have to try to separate that because that's not what this is about. When Row and

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Lorraine started the concerts and they found Pat Rody, the idea was that he would open the the summer and he would close the summer because we're a vacation spot. It was like a reward for the town. Like DJ's does it, the other a

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couple other places does it. If you if you grew up around here, you kind of know what I'm talking about. So, he was the original and there was never supposed to be a concert series on the lawn. That was never a thing. But it it evolved and whatever, fine, whatever. But he was the reason for the concerts.

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So, in my mind, he should be the highest paid music magician on on the circus. you just agreed to pay $3,000 for this other band to do the um 250th birthday. There's not I I I really have no

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understanding of that. No one questioned it. No one asked how much the other bands get paid. I don't see the reason for it. Their opening song was the Rolling Stones, I don't love her anymore. I It was nothing patriotic. I don't know. But anyway, I'm going to uh

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just request that going forward because you agreed you set the precedent to to pay $3,000 for a band to play on the lawn that Pat Rody and his September concert should get paid $3,50 and every concert therefore. And let me

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just preface that with nobody knows I'm saying this and I'm sure they will have their opinions of it and that's fine because this is still a democracy. Thank you very much. >> Any other comments? >> Yes.

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Thank you, Sandy Caputo. Uh please do not be irritated if members of the public ask you to speak louder. Uh this is a public meeting and even at this distance I record meetings all over town. It's difficult to hear people

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sitting on the sides of the table when you talk in that direction. Very difficult to hear over here. So if we ask you that it's because we we genuinely can't hear even though it seems like we're sitting close. So

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thank you. Motion to motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I