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trustees was sent by email to our official newspapers, the Asbury Park Press and the Coast Star. Please stand for the pledge. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I had to call your >> Pat, would you do roll call, please? >> Yes, I will. >> Judy Alvarez, >> we have Danielle. Danielle Arnold. Is she no longer with us?

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>> She is. She's the alternate, but she can't make it tonight. She has some of her kids. Yeah. Tell me who can make it tonight. Okay. Bruce >> present. >> Jerry here. Mark >> here. >> I'm here. Johanna

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>> here. >> Maria present. >> Sean present. Mike coming. He's coming. >> Yes. >> Okay. I have a motion to approve the minutes of our last meeting.

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>> I'll make the motion. seconded by Mark. >> Moving right along. >> Okay. >> Library. >> I know. >> So, because um Darlene, you brought up the library of things. So, uh Lewis did

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some research and we have a presentation for you. So, we'll start with that and then I'll go into my I just have two things to mention in the update. So, uh, those are all, >> um, just a brief aside, uh, as far as events go, we had 620 plus people at the

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pat went off without a hitch, which was really, really good. So, I was really happy to see that. All right, so we're going to have a little fun time here. Uh, library things. This is an exciting, cool program that many libraries across the country uh, are doing. uh in present

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in preparing for this I've learned what other libraries around New Jersey are doing and I will have the opportunity to go to the Redbank Public Library who is the only other library in Mammoth County that actually has a library of things.

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Okay. Um I know does not they do not have one anymore? >> Or if they ever they they let's just say they did not confirm one. >> Police had things called that. Yeah. So anyway, uh so we're going to go and take a look at we're going to get started.

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I'm going to go over with you what it is and we're going to take a brief video to watch to see what a library things in action does look like. We're going to go over uh Mike's favorite topic uh liability management. Uh we're going to talk go over quickly the storage and

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operations, initial collection of things, timeline of development, and cost rejection. We're going to blow through them real quick. All right, so let's get started. So, what is a library of things? Basically, it is a library of things that lets you borrow useful items

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from the library. We have tools, games, equipment, kits, and more. Just like borrowing a book, it transforms the library from a place that just simply lends information about how to do something into lending something that

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allows them to do that thing. Okay? Uh, a book will teach home repair. Okay? But tools lets that person make that repair. All right. A book will teach about music theory. A guitar or an instrument will allow that person to learn how to play

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that music. Right there. It's that connection between learning and applied real real world application. That is one of the biggest compelling arguments for a library to have. We level the playing field by allowing access to equipment

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and tools across the board regardless of any financial status right there. All right. So, let's take a uh quick v look at a video of what it looks like in action. Okay. >> Huh? Full full screen.

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>> Oh no. Here is our library of things collection. >> Just behind the circulation desks of recommended books is the library of things. >> Essentially, it's a non-traditional collection of items that ranges

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throughout a variety of categories. >> How many items do >> Oops. Don't worry about it. There you go. All right. >> Welcome to the tree library. >> Right around the corner here is our library of things collection. Why don't you come on over?

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>> Just past the circulation desk and displays of recommended books is the library of things. >> Essentially, it's a non-traditional collection of items that ranges throughout a variety of categories. How many items do you have in the library of things?

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>> Currently, we have over 800 items. And the idea behind the collection is really to try to get um items that patrons might not otherwise buy for themselves or necessarily have the means to purchase. >> Some of the higher price things include entertainment. >> We have a turntable or record player. We

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have a PlayStation VR 2 headset. So, these are brand new, very popular. >> We're not getting those unless you come down. borrow games from us. We have a really large game collection. Some folks don't necessarily have access to a Blu-ray player. This allows them to

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go ahead come in >> and catch the newest film that they really want to see. And right here we have what it started at all. >> Blood pressure monitor. They also have medical things. >> What we don't have here which is very

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popular is we have a walker. We have a cane. You can see we have a wheelchair that folks can borrow. So if someone's going through a recovery or something like that, they can come in. They don't have to purchase the item. >> A metal detector to help you find lost things.

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>> And this is a great thing if you're going on vacation and you want to get out on the beach or wherever it may be and kind of search for rare treasures, you know, some maybe gold in the sand or coins. You can take this on your vacation with you >> and so much more. If you're into pickle ball, which I have never played,

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you can come down and grab a pickle ball set from us. This is a pretty cool drum there. This pops up and just a pop-up beach tent that folks can use to have a little shade when they're at the beach. If you have some travel adapters, that's a great example of something that if folks

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are traveling, they don't want to go and purchase a travel adapter. We have probably three or four of them and they can come in, go on a trip, no worries. Plug everything in they need and bring it back when they're done. We have a paper shredder. So, we have this day and night globe and

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it's one of the most popular items. We have a really large collection of tools. We have a soil tester, a water flow meter, and then we have a stud finder, which again is something that you might not know you need until you need it. >> And so, what do people need to do to check out any of these things?

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>> All they have to do is come down to the library and get a library card. Um, you don't need to be a Newton resident to come in and you just need to be a Massachusetts resident and you can come to our library. You can go to another library in the Minivan system, which is the consortium that we're part of. You could go even to your own library

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outside of that system. Many of those libraries are going to have their own library of things collections. >> Bian NBC 10 Boston. >> Pretty cool, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what you saw in there was a

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lot of the operational elements. You can >> what you see a lot of little operational elements of what it is. You saw everything had a tag, right? You saw how it was all displayed nice and neat. It was the items were in either pouches or

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in boxes or cases of some sort. So that allowed people to transport the item here to and fro safely without damaging the item as if you just gave them the item uh exposed and everything. So it's those elements that are part of what we would have to institute here if we get

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uh if we go forward with this. Now the other more important thing about uh about uh a library of things is the most important part and that's going to be um Mike's favorite topic as I said um oops there you go liability management.

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>> Perfect timing. >> Okay, there you go. So it's one of the biggest u uh realities of running a library things break, pieces go missing, things disappear entirely. You know it's simple reality and fact of life for

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operating a library of things. Okay. Libraries generally address this with a combination of policy documentation patron communication and a graduated enforcement ladder that uh rather than a punitive approach and the goal is to

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protect the library and the collection while maintaining equitable access and preserving patron goodwill. Okay. Um think of it as a car. Okay, in a car we have our safety features. We have our seat belts. We have our airbags, crumple

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zones, and so forth. All right, but the driver also brings something to the table as well. The driver also brings their skill set. How well do they drive the car? They also bring in awareness. How well how how aware are they of their surroundings? Also brings this focus. Is

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the person focused on the road or are they distracted with a cell phone or are they like uh uh under the influence of something else? Right? How a driver operates that vehicle goes a long way to determining how well these parts operate if needed. The same thing goes with us.

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Okay. For us, a liability waiver would be an airbag. Okay. uh insurance legal review prior to launching it and make sure we're goes towards helping by like a seat belt type of thing. And finally, we also have

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clear disclaimers that help communicate to the patron expectations and things like that. Okay, we how we operate the library of things. Okay. Also brings to the table policies and procedures. What well docu well definfined policies and

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procedures. Communicate to the patron expectations what they're expected to do where they're where the liability occurs. And finally, oops, there we go. Thoughtful collection uh uh choices. Okay, this is where we how we decide

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what options items to put into the collection. We'll go over that in a little bit. Okay. So, so that's uh that's uh that's what a liability uh thing can do. Okay. Now, you have in your packets that I gave you um copies

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of what the Red Bank Public Library does. Okay? You'll see their user agreement, you'll see their policies, and you'll see their procedures. Okay? And what you'll notice as you look through them, you're going to notice that they attempt to do several things. One is they acknowledge

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risk. The patron recognizes the item proposal risk if used improperly. It shifts responsibility for use. Patron agrees that they are responsible for the safe operation of that item. It documents informed consent because when they sign the bottom line, they confirm

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that they understand the proper use and limitations and and uh liel and it clarifies our limits. We are not providing training. We're not providing supervision, no warranties, no guarantees of any kind. And finally, it sets the expectations of what we expect

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uh to care for the item to return to condition in in in good clean operating complete condition. Prohibited uses and age restrictions as well. Okay? If they just if they if they uh rent a tool and they let their 5-year-old kid uh use it

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and something goes wrong, guess what? It's their responsibility. Okay? Um so, and then and also replacement costs as well. Okay. Um the uh basically for example if someone borrowing the power drill uh we may uh

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may uh acknowledge that they know how to use it safely. They assume responsibility and so on. Good procedures and policies will um set a culture of prevention that minimizes the likelihood of an issue. Smart collection choices. There it is again. All right.

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So, for example, if we are we going to offer a a circular saw or a chainsaw, or are we going to stick closer to like maybe a uh like a like a leaf blower or something like that? All right. It could be something

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more along the lines of if we offer a 50piece socket wrench set, is it going to be a Snap-On tool set or are we going to go for a Harbor Freight brand? Okay, Snap-On Freight. Snap-on probably won't come back. Okay. But Harbor Freight will. Okay. So, it's things like that

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that kind of minimizes the possibility of issues by being smart about what items we offer to. Okay. Um clear documentation of inspection and maintenance. Items should go out clean, complete, and fully operational. They

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should come back clean, complete, and fully operational. And the check-in and checkout process will have an element to document that condition in and out. So, at no time can someone ever come to us and say, "Well, you gave me a broken device." Uh, no, we did. We have our

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inspection rods here. Okay. So, that's important, too. Clear patron communication before, during, and after the transaction to ensure that everything worked out well. If there's an issue, that that issue is addressed accordingly right there. And we address

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the issues with the use of a graduated ladder of escalation when they occur. All right? So these good policies and procedures will define and address when things happen due to normal wear and tear, due to accidental damage or

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negligence or misuse. Okay. The key is let's expect some loss or damage. It is operationally normal. It is not program failure. That's the good news right there. So in a graduated escalation ladder, you're probably wondering, okay, what do we do if something happens,

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right? Well, here's what happens. Okay. The goal is to apply consequences that are proportionate, consistent, and focus on resolving the issue rather than punishing the patron. Okay. A common scenario will be a patron forgot a charger at home or a game piece fall

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behind a couch or an item was returned by a family member who doesn't who didn't know something was missing. All right, those are very different from situations where someone tries to deliberately keep an item or repeatedly returning equipment damaged through

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misuse. Okay, so if that happens, okay, it starts nice and friendly. Okay, this is what an escalation ladder looks like. The first thing we do is item uh slightly overdue, a day or two late, maybe it's missing a minor piece, or the patient simply forgot. We send out a

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courtesy reminder, friendly email, phone call. Hey, bring it back. We're all We'll be all good. They do that, everybody's happy, right? So, few days go by, items returned either with missing parts or they still haven't returned it or maybe

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there's some damage. And what we do is we contact the patron. Hey, look what's going on. Or if there's missing pieces, you need to bring those pieces back. And if it's determined that there's not going to an issue, we can uh explore replacement cost options at that time.

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All right. Now, a little more time goes back. The issue uh resolves uh remains unresolved after numerous contact attempts. They haven't brought it back. Missing pieces are still missing. We can't do anything because of the other. So, at that point, we start suspending.

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We we suspend their library of things borrowing privileges. So, at this point, no one can the that person cannot borrow anything more until they resolve this issue. either bring the item back or pay for it or whatever needs to get done.

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All right. Now, next, that's where now we start bearing a little teeth here. Uh, more time goes by, still not issued, not returned, parts not replaced, maybe there was significant damage to the item. All right. At that point, we now

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charge the account the full replacement value of that item. Okay? Uh, or repair cost as need be. Uh and now at this point nothing more the patron can do get back to normal until they pay that replacement fee or bring the item back

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and complete uh complete and hold. Okay. Uh next is if they if more time goes by and they still haven't done anything then we can block off the rest of their access to the library. No more books, no more ebooks, no more uh humbla, nothing

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like that. totally blocked off. Even up to this point, if the patron comes back and makes good on the item, returns things, returns the item, pays the fee, we can give them the grace to reinstate their privileges back to normal and all

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goes well. It's when that person does it again and again and we have a documentation of a history of irresponsible borrowing. That's when I gather all my documentation and other stuff and I go see this guy and Dave and I will look

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over the thing, review the issue and then we Dave will make a final determination as to what to do. He could say one final warning or he could say cut him off right there and we will make that uh uh determination. He'll make

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that determination and uh move forward with that one. Okay. So that's how a graduated es uh escalation ladder works. Okay. It helps staff distinguish between honest mistakes and irresponsible borrowing behavior. And it also uh money

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libraries follow a farm. We we assume good faith first, document issues carefully, and escalate only when necessary. Okay. Now, the good news about incident rates is that they're very low. True non- returnturn or walkway loss or serious damage is

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uncommon. You can see here permanent non- returnturn uh 0.5 to 3% of circulations, minor parts, and so on right over there. Okay. from um most libraries tend to have discovered that people tend to be uh very much in good

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faith about um uh returning an item and even with hotspots and or I mean even with more higher value items, okay, uh courtesy reminders, account blocks, replacement billing, and clear borrowing agreements go a long way to uh uh

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preventing an issue to ever to get to uh a point of of uh evaluation account evaluation. Okay. Um so so luckily it's a very low incent. So a typical fee structure that most libraries it depends

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on what we're obviously we can do whatever we want but how most many libraries does for overdue fines. Some do none like we have no uh uh uh late fees for books. We could do the same thing here if we want or other libraries, they charge a small daily

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fine of maybe $5. That seems to be common per day. Okay. Uh lost or damaged item fee is a full replacement or repair cost of that uh of the item. Um a missing part fee is if it's possible to replace the part. Uh we can charge that

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if if they don't um if they don't produce that part. And there's a clean fee. I'm not sure where that goes. But the thing is the cost of cleaning if something requires some specialty cleaning service to provide then we would charge that too. Um but that's a

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lower incidence item right over there. Okay. So basically um it's easy for the staff, it's easy for patrons to understand and it's consistent with modern library passes and it's focused on recovering items rather than revenue.

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So, the next thing is you're probably thinking, "All right, Lois, where are you going to store all this stuff?" Okay. Well, it's going to go right here. It's going to be a shed that we would acquire to put out under the garden. I'm recommending a 10x20 size shed. Okay.

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The shed would uh be equipped with shelf racks and numerous storage tubs and things like that uh that would that would contain and organize smaller items uh so they're not all over the place. And they'll be each item will be tagged

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with a location ID so that it's easy to find. Any staff member can go in and within 15 seconds I find locate an item in there to pull it out. Okay. Um now uh in addition to that now the reason

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why we're looking into having outdoor storage is because when I went to the Redbank library they had their library of things in the library itself. And when I went and saw it, the old retail manager in me didn't

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like what I saw and I saw this. Okay, this is how Redbank has theirs. This is the route out. As you walk into the library, this is one of the first big areas that you see. Okay, and it's kind of busy, a little dis a little

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disorganized kind of thing. You can see they have their security uh uh cords over here. all these items are somehow securely tagged so you can't just grab and walk away with them. Okay. Um so that's rather unsightly and not to mention we don't have the space really

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upstairs for this kind of stuff anyway. So this is not an ideal solution for us. So what other smaller libraries do to display is they would store the stuff in a storage shed like us and in the somewhere in the library they would have

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a wall or a shelf rack where they would have like like item tags uh representative tags with information about the item. uh key bits of information like its duration of uh uh borrowing time,

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replacement costs, uh and any other bits of information we want to have on there or some kind of display where like DVD cases, blank DV have sheets made up for them that represent that people could look at me and then what they do is they

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pick what they want and they would bring it to us um to say, "Hey, this is the items I want to check out." and then we would go retrieve them and check them out and so on. Okay. So, these are like some of the Now, I'm thinking that we would have this in the wall that's on

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the other side of this. Okay. And and something either this I think something like that would be better. It's easier to maintain. Every time something goes bad, we got to re laminate something. It's a pain in the butt. So, probably something along the lines of like this is what I'm thinking that we would do to

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display. we would have some presence upstairs more more of a notationalformational thing that alerts patrons that are in the library that there is a library of things than to come down here to check it out. Okay, so um now

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another thing that libraries does and you saw this in the video is they actually had binders okay where they each uh much like this where each page had a picture of the item, little details, things like that in there. It's got the barcode in there as well as well. So, there are various different

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ways that we can do um a display of those items where people can see and not overwhelm the space with uh stuff right here. Because if we tried to put all this stuff down here, what happens is we would lose the flexibility of this room

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in many ways. It would be it would be difficult to do what it is we're doing right now. Okay. Now the collection of things, the big picture you see is a list of what Red Bank currently offers in its uh in its uh library of things. Okay, you will

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notice that the um there are uh items of various different types. Pretty cool items. Some whatever initial list that we have would vary somewhat from that, but uh that gives you a very good idea of what's possible. All right. There are

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three ways to grow uh a collection. We can accept donations for patrons within established parameters. Uh we can just go purchase them new outright. Okay? Or we can do a combination of the two. I mean, I recommend that we can do a combination of the two because we can

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really uh um uh uh mitigate the upfront cost of uh setting one up if we allowed the uh patients to do it. good, clean, complete, and operational items in there. It could donate you anything. They could be

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donating games and puzzles. They could be donating appliances. They could be donating uh lawn games, things like that. Um, and we want to I reckon we start with something around 50 to 60. Okay. Um, will we get to 800 like the

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other library does? Probably not, you know, at least not for a while. But I could easily see the collection growing to like over 200 plus so long as those items are relevant and mean something to the Belmar community. Okay. So, uh, so

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there's that. Um, the items can include home and garden tools and equipment, kitchen appliances, party items, school and educational items, uh, games and puzzles, electronics, musical instruments, and much more. And you

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notice I said about the tags. Red Bank does the same thing. They each have a tag for every item so that the item can be viewed by the by the patron and by and something like this would be actually attached to the item itself or to the case that the item comes in. So

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even when the patron walks home with it, that informationational tag is there with them. And what they also do, a cool idea is that for items that have user manuals available, what they do is instead of putting it in, because a lot

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of times they'll get missing, they get torn, thrown out, what happens is is they have a PDF version of the file online with a QR code on the back that they can scan on their phone to pull up the user manual on their own account. Okay, so that's uh that's what they do

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as well. I also like that they have the replacement key right on there. >> Yes. Again, it goes back to setting expectations and communication. That's what they do. A lot of these tools have go a long way to uh to uh making sure

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that the liability is covered at all sta all stages of the transaction right there. Okay. And the beauty is if there's any little issue that comes up that we think of and going through um there are solutions for anything. It's out there. Hundreds of libraries are

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doing this. If I come in setting this up, if I find that there's a um a little issue that I don't I need to know how to solve uh a little a little Googling around, I'll find I'll find out someone has had that problem and come up with a solution

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right there. Okay. So, so how much it going to cost? Well, factoring the cost of the uh the purchase and installation of a 10x20 shed, the acquisition of things, acquisition of display and storage elements, and all the other little

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things that go around it, u an estimated total all in will be about $25,000. Okay? And it from the time that this is approved to the time that it's actually up and running and operational, it' be approximately two to three months. So

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looking around say end of Septemberish, early October and there it is. Does anybody have any questions? >> Yes. >> Um I know that we had a lot of things prior. Do we have an inventory of what

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we still have? Either it's in the shed. >> I I don't have a set inventory, but what I can tell you is that you are correct. We do have a lot of relics and remnants from the maker space. We do have a lot of other items that somehow the library has accumulated for one way or the other

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that would make ideal >> things like say one of the one thing would be like the projector that we use at the store at the events. >> We could util we could add that to the mix and replace it with a newer projector u for our use as well. That's

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an example of another example is uh over there on top of my cabinet. You see that electric three hole punch there? That's uh something we can include that as well. We do have um a slide uh converter and we do have other little small

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devices like um like uh legacy media adapters or converters, things that people like that. Um, so there's there are a bunch of things that we can uh that we can uh that we already have within our possession that we could u use as like a the beginning core and

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then we augment with the donations and we go out and buy other things in there as well. So >> yes, >> um would the shed would it be something that would protect what we have in there as far as like moisture or anything like that? Yes, the the the shed would have

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uh options to come uh kitted out so that it is uh weatherized. Okay. So that it can it can keep the moisture out. It'll keep out the bugs and things like that. It's not uh and something that allows it to be uh powered as well. >> Okay. We have electricity to it and uh

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so we have a light fixture in there as well so that we because it 10 by 20 is big and it can get dark in there. So, we would ought to have like light fixtures in there as well. >> Yes. >> Is that something that would be movable

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um if we were to expand um the >> Very good question. to the library. >> That may not even be necessary depending on where we place it because right now when I paste it out over there because of the the manhole, the drain that's

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right next to the to the current thing, we would have to place this shed further back towards the corner. And the location of that is such that it does not uh go behind this building. So, if we were to expand this out this way,

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>> it wouldn't even butt up on that shed over there. the shed will be out of the way. Okay. And if and we can be care we can be careful to place that far enough to ensure that there's not we don't accidentally put it too close. So yeah. So that would be thing. Yes.

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>> So with that being said, would there be consideration that maybe down the road or when you put it in that there's cameras to like >> that you can monitor it? >> Yeah, we'd have to. We need to get new cameras anyway. ours are we're getting

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uh quotes right now. >> So that's something that we could uh that's a good point that we can put it while we're doing that put it to that back corner if this is something that that you want to do. Um and we have had actually situations in that back corner

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uh with stuff going on too. Anyway, so >> did you get any feel of talking to people about how much uh human time it would take to just keep this thing going and to you know to really deal with bringing things in and >> well it's there is going to be an

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increased workload on on the staff initially because of the uh um the newness of the program we'll probably do to sim something similar to what we did with the maker space where we built it out, we put uh we put it all together

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and I pretty much ran all the details and everything like that. It would be the same thing here. I would be the primary operator of this thing. I would be making sure things work. I'll be ironing out all the kinks, making sure things uh there'll be a couple of other staff members will be ready to to step

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in should I be away for a while, things like that. Um but ultimately we'll stage it so that uh when someone comes in they'll uh they can only check out or return when I'm here. Okay. Uh we would

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also um and now the the burden of time I guess the best way to answer this would be this. Red Bank has about a similar number of what we were talking about about 60 items and she says that they do about 30 some 30 to 35 checkouts a

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month. So about one a day. So the process to check in is going to be so the the most time consuming part will be the first time a patron comes in to do that because I have to go over the liability the user agreement have them sign it and we will keep a copy of that

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on file. Okay. So, but once all that's done and they've already been through that, then they come in, hey, I want to borrow the parlor drill. No problem. I go out, I get it, bring it out, check it out to their card, off they go. And then um uh so that doesn't take too much

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time. The real hard work is going to be in the setup because for every item that comes in, there's got to be initial inspection. Is it clean? Is it complete? Is it operational? I have to document that. I have to enter that item into the flet system so that when we when we scan

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and track them out with the book we can have statistics borrowing statistics and things like that and also on a patron basis document when issues occur. Okay. So, uh, so it's that initial setup and also, you know, creating all the tags

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and things like that, but that's going to be done prior to launch. >> And if this is something that you wanted to do, it would we would start with Lewis's hours um are pretty much 12 to 7 or 12 to 5. That's what we would, you

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know, offer that 12:00 to 5 on Fridays. So, that would that's what it would be, you know, during that time. if we wanted to do weekends. Um, yeah, I'd have to because the more people you put in charge of this paperwork, the more

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problems you're going to have. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a problem. So, so um you want someone um Lewis to do it. If he's on vacation, you know, I would do it if if he's out. Um, we'd have a couple of staff members there,

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but we don't want everyone doing it like uh taking out a book. >> Well, exactly. And you know, one of the reasons that maker spaces have given people so many problems is that when there are technical items that you've got, they need so much more time than you initially think. you know, everybody

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who got a um you know, a 3D printer, the 3D printers are just sitting around doing nothing these days because almost need somebody there all the time, you know, keeping it up to >> Well, to your point, this is where smart collection choices kicks in,

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>> right? >> So that a 3D printer would not be something we would offer because it's just way too complicated to break it down right there. So we don't we don't want to do that. So, um, so it's going to be items that require little to no handholding, uh, and basically, uh,

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pretty much, uh, as I don't know if I want to use the right term, foolproof is the right term, but as user friendly as possible, >> right? >> Okay. Um, so, uh, so yes, there will be tools, there will be some equipment in there, uh, out there. Some pieces are

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going to be expensive. Some things going to be The whole point of this is to allow access to things that people may not need, may not want to or afford to spend to acquire to use even if it's just one time. But at the same time, there'll be items that I'm not going to have blades flying all over the place or

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or or or uh hot items, no space heaters, for example. Uh nothing that generates something that could inflict uh pain. >> Yeah. think if this is something that you want to do, uh, I would suggest you creating a a committee because of the

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liability and having having Lewis, myself and board members in terms of choosing the the items. It's not something you have have to do, but that would be my suggestion in the beginning. My thought is, and again, this is, you know, hear what you have to think, but

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um, start small. You know, have the space for it. We need the shed. Um, and if we ever uh decided to go away from it, we'd we need space here. And then, you know, I like the idea of when I'm thinking of a stud finder, a shredder

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that is has no chance of someone, you know, being able to get get injured, the ones that are really safe. Um, uh, you know, jumper cables, uh, the ability to pump up a tire as long as it can't blow up a tire, you know, like what safety.

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not just saying that you get that you know you get something that has um safety features you know whatever we get um um that that's my that that's my thinking is worrying about safety um so

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>> I think if we do go in this direction there are a couple of suggestions um one uh something like a grand opening but prior to the grand opening would be uh having the ability to have a info session for people so that you don't have to

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explain the same thing to 15,000 people the first month that you're open. So in other words, you open up you have one night with like, okay, I just want to let you know we're going to be doing something in the back. This is what it's going to kind of be like. This is, you know, all of those liabilities things that you were talking about instead of having to do it for every single person

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coming in their first time, maybe 20 or 30 people might show up for the info session. >> Yeah. And so we have them sign if they want to be interested. That That's a great idea. Uh we we could also have all the uh all these uh user agreements,

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liability waiverss and that available to read online on our website as well. >> Make a video. >> Yeah, make a make a video. You know me in videos. Yeah, we'll make videos. Make a video. >> So I'll make a video. We can make a video that introduces the concept and helps promote the item uh the the library of things as well. And we'll do

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we'll we'll get uh the co-star in on the deal. Uh we'll get tap into into it uh onto it as well. uh and uh really kind of promote it help through uh Facebook, the emails, things like that. So, there's a lot of ways you can help get the word out and really uh draw some

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excitement because I think this is something that a lot of people like. The beauty of this is that it also helps us reach out to a whole new cadra of users because there are many hundreds if not thousands of people in town that are aware of the library but because of

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their lifestyles or whatever um oh I don't read books or I don't need to get books for them or so they never come in here. Okay. Uh but if we have that paper shredder, if we have that uh that uh kitchens uh that kitchen appliance that

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they need once, twice or for the party or they need some party equipment that they need like a pop-up tent or whatever uh for a onetime party, hey, now they got a reason to come to the library. And while they're here, oh, look at that. There's a true teen celebration coming up. I'll go to that, too. And we kind

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and we kind of like in we now increase our presence in the the community that much more. And the goodwill it it develops to the community to the library and to the burrow at large as a whole uh is uh is a valuable uh asset as well.

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>> Can it be reserved? Like if let's say the popup tent. Let's say I know I want a garage sale on this date and I would like to reserve August 1st for the popup tent. Are those things possible or it's

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only as we have it when you come in? >> That's a good question. >> Yeah, >> that's a good question. Um I I don't see why we can't, but we would have to be ready to uh um uh uh uh manage that. That would be another

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that's a whole other level of item management that we would have to add, right? >> Okay. You know, adding a scheduling uh component. That would be I think a ch we could we could mess with it. We'll see. But I like the idea. Well, I was just interested in knowing if if you already

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knew how that would work, especially if we have things that might go missing and then you don't it almost seems like it would it's a great idea to you know to have that reserving option. We can't guarantee that it actually is going to be >> well there's no guarantee that we can't

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guarantee availability because let's say >> doesn't bring it back or brings you back all busted and it takes a while for us to get a new one from Amazon or whatever >> is there any advance. Okay. So really at at at this point what I

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would ask to the board is is is this something you you want to think about and we can come back at the next meeting. Do you want to do a resolution? You have to look at the cost. You have to think about the the the liability about the um you know the it's probably

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going to be an increased cost staffing um depending um how it goes. I don't know if you fit it in with within your hours. You might take some things away from from Lewis to be able to but we can kind of I would like to go slowly if we if you choose to do this and and try to

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pick things that we think you know in Redback are very popular and kind of like test through it. Um talk to Belle in terms of they didn't have a library of things but they did um lend things out you know for parties and stuff. Um,

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so I I kind of need, you know, um, sense of resolution or more discussion or let's come back and talk about it next meeting, but that's what I need. >> I I like the concept of it, you know, but I would like to see a more granular and detailed proposal. I'd like to see a

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work plan that could be executed with actual cost breakdowns and phased implementations of potential items. So, I want to see a breakdown of the permitting fees for the shed, the cost of the shed, installation of the shed, power for the shed, and then I want to see

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>> the inventory >> in order of what we are going to get for inventory. You know, the first thing we're going to buy, the second thing we're going to buy, the third thing we're going to buy, all the way down to 80 so that we can make a reasonable decision. I would like to take it slow if we went forward with it and that >> maybe we start out with 10 or 15 things

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that we think are going to be popular to kind of smoke test it to work out the kinks >> and then then grow it from there based on the lessons learned. I wouldn't necessarily be in favor of spending $20,000 buying 80 things right as as a

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as a maybe. I'd like a bit of proof of concept as we evolve the the program. Lewis did pre present a proposal that was more specific, but I told him I think it's better to give the general

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>> tonight. And my thought was to come back at the next meeting, you know, um if it's something that you wanted to continue to talk about. >> I would like I would like to learn more about the concept. >> Okay. Okay. Is there anyone that disagrees? Do we come back next time with more specifics?

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>> Quick question. You said Bel ran this program. No. >> Well, not exactly. >> Yeah. Did not necessarily >> they just had like a >> do they Okay. They faced lower lower their thing. >> Well, I don't know exactly. I can't say exactly what Bel did because unfortunately I didn't have a

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conversation, but I I can tell you what Redbank did. And what Red Bank did was um they bought everything new. Mhm. >> And they started out uh uh and they they started out with um about $5,000 that

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they got from a grant and they use that money exclusively to buy uh things. And uh what they bought is currently mostly what you see on that list. There were some uh donated items on the that they have uh right there like they actually

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had a powered wheelchair, believe it or not. uh uh which they actually have. But um they uh they also had a number of cake pans, you know, uh small little cake pans with the different forms and everything like that. So people if they want a Mickey Mouse cake, they can do

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that and all stuff. So um so they it's it's all it's all pretty much how you want to do it. We have the the the discretion to do whatever we want. We can start very small um or if we we can go a little or or we can go a little

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more uh aggressive with it if we want. Um it's up to us. that the thing is um now what what I can tell you is this like Red Bank's usage rate is about 30 to 35 checkouts a month right now and they've been operational for about two

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and a half years and in that time frame they've only had she could the the the director of the library over there could only recall three incidents uh of where the patron uh had to get to the point of being suspended for a

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while. two of whom were actually cut off altogether and kicked out and the third one uh actually made good on it and has since been a regular borrower with no no further issue. So um so the incidence rate is very low on that. >> Okay.

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>> And Bruce, we tried to contact Belle because it's similar to our situation, but there was a reason why we couldn't meet with the person who was in charge of it. Um but we we can we can do that. >> We can continue. >> I can continue with you. >> Yeah. And that was, you know, when I was

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talking about Briel the last time, I it was because I was >> I had had a tour by Leslie that when I went down there several years ago, and I got the impression that that their whole idea of a library of of things to to be borrowed

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>> was because people had the issue of, you know, I' I've just inherited a bunch of stuff that I don't, you know, it's useful stuff, but I already have a a set plates like this or or silverware, you know, and they had a lot of things like that.

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>> So, >> I was envisioning a some something that would allow us to do both of those kinds of things. So, that that um what people, you know, there are just so many people who have a lot of things that are are really valuable and they end up at the

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end of their lives usually not knowing what to do with them. Accemping a donation is actually a good way for us to offer a wider variety of items at first without that upfront cost, right? >> So, we can augment the like the 10 15 things that you say we should maybe

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start buying with and then we have the donated items. And there like all sorts of things that you that people will donate like the big stock pots, okay? Uh like um uh like the power washers or like the uh like the cake pans. Um, even

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the the ordurve of server trays, you know, where you uh with the the divided trays where you put the sauce in the middle and you can put the shrimp along the side. Even those things. Okay. Uh the big 50 cup coffee, >> you know, things like that. People that things that people need occasionally,

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but to be wasteful or unavailable for them to buy, >> take a lot of make sure they're safe. >> It's like when you get something donated and it's and something goes wrong, you know that you don't that there's more liability. And with the school district, we had to be careful with that. And and

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then secondly, we don't want to >> take on too many things kind of like what we did with books and this we had all these old books here and you know. >> So yeah. So so and also by the way uh every item that we continue using now uh

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is much more environmentally friendly because now instead of sitting on a shelf it's actually being used. And if 80 people get to use something, that's that's uh 79 times that that person that that item did not have to be bought new for someone else only to sit on the shelf also. So it reduces the need for

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resources to make the stuff and things like that. So >> I I'd like you know if we if the focus is more on like what's good in Belmar you know or what would be helpful like when you had said like the leaf blower you know maybe we if we do have just an

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electric leaf blower something that you know an environmental like oh these are things you can do environmentally for gardening or have it be specific enough to be good for our community and not just

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>> you know more targeted towards bettering >> our community. >> Well, you make a good point in that because particularly let's say for like a leaf blower for example, okay, it would be battery operated. We would not have again limiting liability, no fuel,

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no gas engines, things like that. That's just asking for trouble, you know. So, a battery operated one. And the good news is that um Ryobi, DeWalt, all the major brands, they have a whole family of tools that use the same battery

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system. So with a single investment of some batteries, we can offer a number of various tools um uh for them to use the same stuff. So we're not multiplying as much. >> Right. So we will come back at the next meeting. >> Yes. >> Specifics with >> spinning wheel.

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>> What's that spinning wheel? >> Spinning wheels on there. I don't know what that is. That was great. I just want to thank Lewis. He went, you know, he spent a lot of time on this and he went up to Redbank and he was calling me quite consistently about it and sharing everything with me. So, thank you. That was well done.

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>> Spinning wheel. That's Wheel of Fortune wheel. >> I was thinking either, you know, yarn or like I was thinking >> Oh, yeah. I'm like, okay, maybe a potter's wheel. I wasn't sure. Spinning wheel. Were there any other libraries that had this program besides Fred Bay

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in Mammoth County? No. What would be the second one fully operated? I remember saying that some quick two just quick things. Uh number one, the project is is complete. I met with the engineer, went through everything and put the um

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for the for the payment um was sent over to the to town. Um, we only used an extra $1,300 uh for the sills that were damaged uh over here. So, we we should be receiving

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back um somewhere between the close to $30,000. And that kind of puts us to the thought, you know, the evaluation at next meeting also you will have a proposal for the evaluation of the HVAC

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um electrical, plumbing, air circulation, um the fixtures upstairs, all of that. And I spoke to Jim and he said he will have it for the for the next meeting proposal with the cost uh to have all of

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that um all that done. Um, and maybe, you know, if you if you choose to do that, it's kind of nice to the money that we had proposed that we could that we're receiving back. >> Have we talked about that as a whole group or did we just talk about that as facilities committee?

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>> We talked about as a whole group last keyed in. >> Yes. Yes. It was uh facilities first before. Well, just for curiosity, could could you tell me when you say the project is complete, what what was the project that is complete? >> Well, the outside facade of the

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building, uh the doors, the three doors, >> the uh flooring by the by the front door. >> Okay. Um the sills in the front of the in the front of the building. Um

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>> it was mainly the >> facing something. Well, yeah, they did the like what's that called? The um >> the flashing around >> flashing around. Yeah, around the chimney. The chimney was quite a bit uh that was almost pretty much done, you know.

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>> Yeah. Um is there anything else? Uh >> specific. >> Okay, so that's good. I hope you think it looks nice. >> I do. I was really pleased. and the company that um you know they had some challenges with trying to keep the the

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white around the uh around the front door and as soon as they started sanding it, it was falling apart. Um and I think they did a great job of redoing that and still having it look the same. So I was I was really pleased with them. The

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communication was great. Um >> just such a difference compared to the windows. It was it was so nice. So three children. >> Yeah. I mean just just the way the communication went and when we suggested got it. >> Even when we had a small issue, they

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replaced, you know. >> Oh, they Yeah, they they hit one of the the benches and they they bought a new one. You know, at first they said they would fix the bench. I said that's not going to work. Okay. Bought a bought a new one. Put a new one in. Um, and then the other thing I wanted to

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to talk to you about at at last meeting, we talked about the social worker um idea and we can't talk about individuals in a public uh public meeting. Uh, so we just talk about the position right now. Um, but I started thinking about

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how much we already do to support the community um, and how people come to us and certain staff members. Um, and I thought, what about just training one of our staff members that

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would like to to be someone who's considered the community support liaison, giving them training, having them meet with the county office, uh, knowing where to go for help, setting up a a social worker to be paid just in the

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beginning to to help. Um, David would be willing, the social worker at Long Branch. Um, and obviously I think we all agreed to have a training for the staff. >> But I just wanted to throw that out, you know, if if you would be interested in

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in that and at least let's give it a try with the staff that we have if someone is willing to be trained and then um go from there. I wonder your thoughts. the training would happen from David

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>> or the county. I would say both. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I would say both. But but I I like the idea of David as much as possible because his specifics to to libraries, his social work would also work in the library. I'm sure there's going to be

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things at the county with the support liaison person here knowing what is offered at the county and not just from a brochure but going to a meeting you know meeting someone meeting Sarah who's in and I'm just making up

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the name Sarah that's in charge of um you know this part of the support so the person here can develop that relationship and make that phone call that person I think what we talked about was not just saying here's the number,

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here's the person call, but you know, let's go over um, you know, into the to the office here um and and make a and make a phone call of me. Let me help you, you know, make a phone call to this to this person or an email. Let's do an

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let's do an email and then maybe a follow-up phone call a few days later. That's my that's my thought. I just thought to myself, there seemed to be some concern on the board about it being too much therapy. Um, a person that's not here very often. And I thought,

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we're already doing it. We just need to train someone that knows where do we wrap them to and how do we help them rather than just handing them something. >> I was just curious what you thought. So I if you're

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>> are there resources available to to train somebody? Does the county offer resources? I'm not familiar with >> it's it's not >> private resources. How do you how would we train somebody? >> Yeah, the the key would be to to find a >> I'm sorry. >> Go ahead.

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>> Oh, okay. first would be to I would like to find a social worker that's doing the job >> um as the main person and then whenever there is training at the county for a spec not really >> so our initial implementation would be

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to bring on a consultant >> yes >> to bring uh a potential candidate up to speed. >> Yes. and then as opportunities arise interjecting that c candidate into uh county activities. Correct.

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>> Yes. >> What um success did you have in talking to someone from Mammoth County? >> I um yeah made a few phone calls and didn't >> It's not a question. It's reality. And that is why I bring it to your

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attention. >> Yeah. And that is why that I believe there is a need where I would like more information on is is there a need here? Well, maybe not, but it would be great to bring people in. It would be and I'm all for it. But we do know that there is

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a need here, you know, and I I really do think I love the idea of training. I think everyone should be trained. I would find someone professional in training. I do not think you're going to find that person at the county. Um maybe

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you will. I would love that. Um, but I mean, here's, you know, you're you're a high title here. You should be able to get in touch with the county social services and and you weren't able to. That's that says a lot about the county

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>> specific to what I was asking for. Yeah. Yeah. and and that's why I think uh the gentleman from Long will be our best resource and he is the president of the organization for the state and uh >> so this is bringing someone on more or

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less a consultant trainer >> that >> we're not relying on county resources to train the individual initially we're we're bringing on a consultant >> right yeah >> and then I think the county actually will have trainings down the road and just getting that person involved um in

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that communication networking and and developing a relationship so they can say remember we spoke make that phone call help. So I would I would I would envision this where we would rely on a consultant to help train ourselves

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and then like I said as as opportunity arises to for that staff member to build relationships with the county >> one way or another figure out what the back doors are to to to get some sort of relationships. But the actual initial

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education, initial training, you don't have to rely on money. But >> it's establish that that rolodex with a special code to get to a human being. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> You know, when you press that button and you just keep >> you bring donuts over to freehold everywhere every couple days. Hey, some

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donuts. Let's chat. Show up. What's that? >> David said he'd be willing to do >> I I don't have a answer on that. >> Oh, okay. I know. I'm sorry. Said that we weren't allowed to ask that exact question. Okay. >> Um but I will David's not an employee, so >> Okay. >> potential consultant.

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>> Yeah. I think I if he's not interested, I know I would based on my conversation. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. That's that's my preference. Someone that's very highly qualified who's been doing it especially in the library system. >> Exactly. and that we can use if we do

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have an issue of whether that be homelessness or some sort of crisis that we can call, you know, as as needed to help staff. How am I handling this? There's a lot of legal things too that I don't know whether we're fully can we

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ask someone to leave? Can we, you know, what are the restrictions if someone is sleeping on the couch all day? You know, we're sleeping on something. What what are we allowed to do? You never want to touch someone. You never want to, you know, I mean, we there's a lot that um I

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think we could use entire staff. >> Yes. >> Um could use >> that's that that was kind of a definite that I got from the last meeting but okay. So I will come back. So we got a lot of things at the next meeting. We

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have uh we have the proposal from um from the engineer on the evaluation. We have I'll get back to you more specifics in terms of we'll probably have to go into executive session if you have a staff member that's interested. Um and

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then uh lastly more specifics in the library of things. Those would be the three things. >> Okay. Well, one thing I might want to just add real quickly is that I it would be helpful if we had two people who were trained at a higher level so that it's

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not just one person with all of that day and night that in for information um that we just in case that person leaves us that we didn't just train away you know that information. >> Yeah. And I also think both genders

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would be >> that would be that would be the best Great. Okay, that's >> David. I would I would like order of magnitude estimate on cost looking forward and projecting forward because I don't see this as being viable as just a

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simple train release. There needs to be an ongoing investment for it to be uh effective. Yeah, >> I understand that you can't really put hard numbers on that because it's it's unknown, but I would like to I would like to understand order of magnitude

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>> with specific focus on the fact that it has to be an ongoing investment. Are you referring to the which of those three? >> The social support liaison is called community support

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>> training consultant as well. >> Yeah, that's different. So there there really is like three different >> Yeah. >> I agree with you. It's it's larger. >> At least in the beginning it's a bigger investment and then it's >> the initial spend to try to bring

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someone up to speed is going to be >> a cost. >> Yeah. to consult, >> but there's going to be hours every quarter >> to to to keep someone up to date. You know what I mean? >> Okay. >> All right.

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>> Okay. >> So, our budget amount is $1,84 one,84,44. That's our budget. Um, we spent to date $240,5004. Waiting to pay the vendor is $223,589.70,

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which most of that is for >> and some of that is coming back, >> right? Um, so spent to date and waiting to pay the vendor is $464,89.74, leaving us a budget of $620,31426. All right. A couple of things that I

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wanted to bring up. Um there was an there was an interesting scenario that took place just yesterday in which I spoke with Lewis and Patty not privately. It was just something that just happened where um it has to do with Lake Ko Belmar in terms of library

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cards. There was an individual that came in who lives in Lake Ko but has a Belmar license. So the individual, the employee was trying

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to figure out, well, if you live in Lake Como, you have to go to Lake Como, but her license said Belmar. So, >> but we've gone over that. It's >> Yeah, I mean, there was more detail. Right. >> So what happens is there's a number of

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people that live in a como and even some of them won't that for whatever reason when they submitted their paperwork for they put Belmar as a town because 07719 zip code is Belmar right. So there's a lot of people in Lake Ko that have

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Belmar as the town listed and the rest of people in Lake have Lake Ko on it. This individual went to the wall library to get a M county library card. The person there said, "Well, yo, you're in Belmar. You can't get a card. You have to pay $100 if you want the M County."

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So, she came here and our said, "Oh, I'm sorry, but your street address is actually in Lake Ko. You have to pay $40." And the the patron was understandably upset, a little frustrated, and ultimately we ended up just giving her the card. the library.

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It said Belmar, so fine, we give it a Belmar. We made it happen. But there's a misunderstanding at the MAR library where they are turning away Lake Ko residents because their license no

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father says Belmont. And so that uh that's going to cause some issues where some people will find themselves in a in a rut, you know, where they can't get him. They won't give them a mama county card even though they live in a town that's part of the system and they can't

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get a Belmar library card without paying money because they don't live in Belmont. So um but the problem is a misunderstanding on the county's part. >> This this sounds like a lake council problem.

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>> Well ultimately they would have to solve the issue but the >> Yes. Yes. It doesn't sound like a Belar library problem. What I think may have happened with, if you remember, at one point everything was Belmar. >> Yeah, it didn't matter. No, >> when you No, I know. But when you renew your license

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and it was Belmar, for some people, they've just kept Belmar as their their I'm just saying I don't know if this was that particular instance, but >> it's a it's a motor vehicle commission problem or a Lake Ko council problem is not Belar Library. Well, I can print out

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a tax map that says where your address is and we can just hold that on the desk. >> Yeah. So, we we refer to the school uh the school knows it very well uh because of I think the amount of Right. >> Right. Okay. situation. So, when we have anything that's close um with my

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relationship or we make a call, we know they know specifically where across the street, which house. >> So, >> yeah, we just felt badly because she did the right thing. >> Yeah. The problem is is over there, >> right?

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>> And I can tell you that when I lived in wall because I was 07719, a lot of times I got things that said Belmont, >> you know, time. So, and then I had to, you know, and so >> yeah, it's it's a challenge for us, but

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we can't just say we feel bad for you, we're going to give it to you because I didn't know that. There is there is there is for $40 there is a deescalation. I don't mind paying the I don't mind losing the 40 bucks to make it easier

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and safer on our staff. >> Yeah. Right. For a year. >> So there is a de Yes. >> And we've done that for a year. We say for a year we made a mistake. You know >> I don't criticize the staff at all just from the the aspect of deescalation and utility in that. But I would task you

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with engaging late come council and say this is a problem that we're seeing. Yeah, >> this this is not necessarily our problem, but we want to communicate it, >> you know, to to ease the ease the the situation. >> Yeah. Yep. >> Yeah. It was just that one, but I felt

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Yeah. was sad. >> Yeah. And we've had others that are, you know, upset because we changed it >> to with the cost and um and also because uh they don't want to go out, right, >> the wall, >> right? >> They want to come here and but they don't want to pay the $40. So that that

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that happens quite >> they can pay my taxes. >> I just want to make sure the board knows that it's not just >> the people in wall should know enough to go by the address. >> Yeah,

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>> they don't know what streets are in Lake Ko and >> yeah they need the city name is a post office issue >> really. So I think they >> they were acting irresponsibly by telling the person, "Oh, you live in

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Belmar. The street is not in Belmar." >> Right. >> Yeah. But they don't look >> I could go to I could go to the director over there, make a copy of what I know and say, "Could you please refer to this?" You don't have >> You got You got one or two houses on 16th where

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>> the line goes through a property. >> Well, that's different. That's that's an extreme that's an extreme example, >> you know, but a lot a lot of people wouldn't know to look at the tax map and they don't understand it. >> Oh, it says Belmore someone else. >> People who live there should know whether they live in Belmore or like

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>> you would think. >> You would think. >> You know what's funny though? Where I the part of film where I live, I get the um and I'm sure Maria is we get the wall recycling >> um book. It's a nice thick book.

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>> I hold on to that recycle wall. >> I get medications from CVS and every time they look it up at the office. Oh, you mean the CVS in Belmar? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> for the shop writers shop

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>> it's interesting >> and maybe in cases like that we could say you know I I think you handled it well as as well and I agree with Mike that it's not worth the escalation and if there's a conflict having that year

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>> but an issue >> one year there's a lot of issues we have we have to do even if you say You know what? Here it is for even a month. I'm I'm going to have our library director talk to you so that they can call over

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to the Mama County Library System and say, "Hey, listen. It's actually not Belmont. Can you help this person?" >> They're coming. >> This is a coal council problem. >> It's not Belmont problem. It's not Belar library problem. >> We're going to invite them to the next meeting.

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>> Instead of coming to our meeting, they should they should leaz with the library system. Well, I did share when you decided to charge, I did speak to um someone over there and uh said heads up, you know, because remember and some

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people don't know that they're in the system even. >> Yeah. So, uh I did communicate that so they knew that there was going to be some upset people. >> There's a permanent solution to that, but I'm not going to

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Um, the concert by the way was wonderful. I think everyone was all in agreement there. Um, I did come the day after the concert over to Mr. Gocha's bench and one of the planters had been moved, yanked up as we found Louis and I located underneath the hedges

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>> and it looked like it probably been there for at least two days because it was very almost dead looking. So luckily we found it, put it back where it belonged, watered it, and um so I think you were going to try to stake it to make however Bernie had put it to see how

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>> See how Bernie ST the other one. >> But yeah, that was just I was just so saddened because she had come that day. >> Yeah, she came earlier then. >> Yes. Yes. And I was like, "Oh no, I hope you saw both of them there." >> Um what's the status of the AC units? I

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know we talked about it at the last meeting. >> Two were working and one it there's still they can't figure it out so we're still bugging them to come back. So two are working. This is working downstairs

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here and um they fix the other two but um I'm working on it but it's we have one >> in a prayer. >> We have one company that's expensive and one company that's hard to get

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to finish things. So, it's I'm trying my best. >> And go with the expensive one. >> What's that? >> Go with the expensive one. >> Yeah, because we're going into heat. >> Oh, it the two can the two can do it even when it's been in the '9s >> until one breaks and then the other one. >> Yeah, I know. I just mean

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>> we need we need an N plus one solution. >> But we we've already I just have to try to get this other >> back. Yeah. And then I'll and then I'll move on if I have to. >> All right. Old business. business. New business.

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>> You can bring something up. >> No. >> No. >> Okay. Um, >> got no information. No information. >> Yeah. Okay. Anything else to bring up? Comments? >> I have a comment. >> Yes. >> This is my last meeting.

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>> I know. I'm so pleased you're here. Thank you. >> But I, you know, I'd like to just thank you all cuz I know I mean I'm on the planning board and obviously the council and this this is my favorite meeting for this. Plus, you know, you guys all do a great

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job. You know, I think I actually reappointed some of you. I don't recall who but you know I I think it's you know it's it's nice to have really nice good people uh you know working on all the committees but I mean this is you know

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the library always had a special place in my heart in general but uh you know I think it's uh you know it's a great group and you know continue the good work I think Maria should stay uh you're still you know until someone gets

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reappointed or whatever you'll be uh Uh yeah, and I'm around, you know, I'm not going anywhere, but um who knows, maybe a future mayor will appoint me as a member of the committee. I don't want to kick anybody off, but um yeah, but thanks thanks for all

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your work. >> And if I could just give a specific time, I mean, you were great during those that concert thing way. It would have been very easy as a mayor to say, >> well, you know, instead of just saying no, we're gonna this is good for the

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patrons. Everybody loves it and I'm going to make it I'm going to take care of it. And you did. >> You've been quiet ever since. >> Yeah. >> No guarantees. >> Really advocating for the library to use its to use its budget to make it better.

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I mean, and that that's something that is easily overlooked, and I don't think as many people know >> just how supportive we've been in that. >> And I think we made some inroads in using the tail pavilion. >> Oh, yes. >> And the and that they are so excited

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that first of all that there's more classes, the quality of instructors, and that the BMAR residents are not paying, right? >> I mean, they they they're really, you know, and I hope that stuff continues. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Very very >> You don't want to go backwards. >> So,

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>> um I did forget to bring up one thing in the new business. Um for those of you that haven't been around when the bus loads of visitors come by and visit our guitar out on the corner there, um I have a suggestion and I wanted to see if maybe we might be able to do a little

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discussion and possibly move forward on on an idea that I have. um since we have so many visitors that have come, some of it because of the concerts that have been taking around taking place around the country, but also because that guitar seems to mean a lot to a lot of

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people that um I was wondering if we could do a visitors log right next to the guitar where people could come and they would just sign whatever they want or put a little comment in and say where they're from. Um I understand this is done around the world. Um, I did

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approach Bob, who actually created the guitar out there, to see if he would be interested in making something that would look presentable next to his guitar. And uh, I did purchase a couple of books that I thought would be nice to have as like a little guest book to put

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in. They would be um, it would be not airtight, but it would be sealed so that a door would open, people could sign their little name or family from Ontario, whatever. had a lot of Canadians here, by the way. >> Yeah, >> really a lot. And um yeah, and just say,

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you know, we've enjoyed and what's been really nice is that a lot of the staff, including myself, I'm not a staff member, but taking pictures with people out there by the guitar and then whisking them into the library and having them see the library, they're like amazed. You know, we talk about the

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Carnegie building and how it's one of the few there's still a library. So, I think it's a nice way of pulling people in without having to subject them to going to the library. It's like, "Oh, this is kind of cool. They have this out here and I can let them know I was here and so on." >> So, um,

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>> like a little library that you open up the door, >> you can write, right? And then we could have it, we talked about a QR code, too. possibly have >> and could we could, you know, have it go uh into a system and then we would

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overlook it and then put it on the website, make sure it's not going directly in, you know, something's inappropriate. But um >> we could do we could do that too. The only thing I would ask though is that uh because everyone walks all over next to

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the guitar, uh Bernie is putting in like these pavers. Uh and we're going to Home Depot so people can walk up, you know, so we maybe want to put it off to the side so it's not in the way of the picture or the

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>> the walkway. Correct. Because it it, you know, it's um >> but that that's what we have plans to do. So, how >> you could I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> I was going to say, how would you protect the signing book? >> It would be like a little library, but it would only be one level. So, it

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wouldn't be several. It wouldn't be shelves in it. And it would be clear so that um Bob already has a design in mind. He's like all in. He's like, I'm ready. He just came back from I forget where it was. I think I told you Copenhagen or whatever. And he said, oh, they're all around the country. Everyone does it. Whenever they go someplace,

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they sell book and whatever. So, he has the ideas. He actually sent me dimensions of, you know, what he would need, but he said it's the kind that, you know, you just open it up, sign it, close it. >> Yeah. I mean, there's a chance that someone could >> Yeah. >> do damage to it, but but um we could

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>> I don't think we're particularly high stakes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't And I mean, look how many years the guitar has been. >> Oh, they're going to the wood's going to all beful. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Just like our I mean, the books are in

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good shape, right? Yeah. Li, >> the libraries. Yeah. The mini libraries are not weathertight sealed. But the vast majority of them been there weeks and weeks, bad weather, good weather, whatever. They're dry as as dry as a desert. So only the only the only time a wet book is in there is if someone puts

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it in wet >> or leaves the door open, you know, or something like that. But yeah. >> So um I guess if does it have to be a resolution or >> um Well, yeah. If we're going to if you want me

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to go forward and actually um I mean I think it would you would need something proposed to you and actually see what it looks like and say where it's going to be and then you would need a resolution saying you're willing to pay this amount. >> Um >> so you're going to get a proposal. >> Yeah. So that's a fourth thing for the

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next >> man. You guys are working. >> Oh my god. That's like one thing a week. That's like one whole thing a week for our director to do. So, uh, yeah, I'll get on that, too. And you said, um, >> sorry, his Bob

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>> I have his card, so should I contact him if you like >> in terms of the idea? >> Yeah, he had he had dimensions and everything already set up and he was just looking for a the cost of the uh materials. The labor he said is free.

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>> Okay. So, I guess I'll ask him to >> to put a proposal together with the cost and then I'll bring it to you to to you and then you would just decide where near the guitar you would want. Right. Does everybody like the idea? >> I can't quite envision it just yet. But

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I love the idea of the the Yes. of of the signing in and a QR code for the those more tech >> Yeah. Right. techie people. And there are there are young people that would rather do that. >> They even have that for the books. You know, like you can borrow a book and

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then you have a little QR code. This book has traveled from here to there and then you put it in another another little small library and then someone else takes it out. They use the QR code. It's now been to this place. So, >> it's kind of like where's uh where's Waldo? >> Thank you.

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>> Uh real quick, our activities for this month, uh Junth is that that's on that Thursday. >> Junth is Thursday the 18th. 5:00 p.m. Doors open. 5:30 show starts. Okay. Uh I'll open with a with a short >> Yeah.

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>> poem and then followed by the uh Universal African Dance and Drum Ensemble. >> They'll be doing a 15 20 minute uh uh performance. >> Good. >> And they'll be followed by the John Luckville Orchestra who will do their usual thing. They'll have two breaks in

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their program during which James Ellerby will be there to perform his poetry, his spoken word poetry. So, uh, all in about 8:30. Okay. >> And is there a concert this month that will

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>> uh in June? >> Well, Saturday we have the it should have went out in an email. We have the kids band that's going to be over at Circle of Friends. Yeah. And that went out to all the kids at the school too, >> right? >> Um, and so hopefully if you're you know that's great because that really kind of

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made them good amount of money that night. We had it. Remember we had two over there because of the situation. So we wanted to continue to support them. >> So that is this Saturday at Circle of Friends or Beach Music. It's going to be at the cafe. >> It's at the cafe. So it's the Beach

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Music studio kids. >> That's what I thought. I just read it. I thought I was like, >> but it's at the cafe. >> Confused about that, too. I didn't actually read it. >> Yeah. Well, we sent it out to um to our

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patrons, too. So, >> awesome. That was lovely class. >> Excuse me. Is there anything that we have to do for summer reading list for the school or >> They have Yeah, it's all set up. Okay. Yeah, it's all set up. And and um

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Deb is going over coming up. She just told me today. Uh, I forget what that is, but she's right. >> Anything else? >> All right. Want to make a motion to close the meeting? I will tell you the

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next one is >> is >> the 13th. >> July 13th. >> Okay. And all the new dates have been publicly announced by >> And I know you got the email, but did it go

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into your Google calendar? If it didn't, >> I'll resend it out so you can add it to your Google calendar. >> Did the way I did it before didn't quite do that. So, >> I will not be here on the 13th. So, if there's any questions or concerns or comments you would like, let us know.

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>> Okay. You need me to zoom you be from Barcelona. No, >> let's go to Portal. >> You're the only crazy one that I will do it from Dominican Republic. I

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zoom in from anywhere. >> I did it from a cruise ship. >> I did. I did it on a cruise ship. I did it from >> Had to put up on your cocktail. >> Yeah. It was rough, but I held it together. >> All right. Right. >> So, Can I just Oh, go ahead.

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>> Do we Do we need the motion? >> Someone needs a motion. >> No, we didn't make a motion. >> Yeah. >> Tojourn. >> Yes. >> Yeah, I'm on that one. >> I'll second it. >> The next meeting will probably be a little bit long. So, I know we usually

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like to end at a summer meeting. We've gotten together. What about August? Maybe we can go over to the bar afterwards. This one >> possibly not have the the storm that we had last time. Have fun. Well, the next one might be a little might want to do

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that, but maybe the right. >> All right. Thank you. Okay.