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language. I don't see anybody here. Do we have anybody online? Nothing. Okay. Uh approval of the agenda. >> Uh Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion that we approve the agenda with the following
um deletions. Uh remove 7E FY2027 budget principles and priorities to the next meeting and also remove item eight from the
regular agenda uh to a future meeting. Okay, I'll >> second that. Okay. Uh, all in favor? I >> opposed.
Unanimous. Okay. Approval of the consent agenda. Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion that we approve the con the amended consent agenda with item 7E removed from it. >> Okay. We have a second.
>> Okay. Any discussion? Okay. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Unanimous. All right. On to the meeting. Commissioner reports. Commissioner
Gazig. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Had quite a busy last couple weeks at airport authority meeting. Uh nothing too eventful there. However, we um do this week. We've got the TSA pre-check event and the first day sold out in about an
hour, 120 people. So then they were able to get a second day added. Um, and that sold out as well. So I believe we have 240 people signed up for getting their TSA pre-check stuff done at the airport and that's this week actually, Wednesday and Thursday. So that was pretty
awesome. Um, hopefully get that much more activity at the airport. Um I took I subbed in for Commissioner Sumar on the Black Duck Ambulance Board and we're looking at building repairs there and getting bids for that. Um and that's uh been a little bit of a struggle all the
that's from the flood damage that we had from last year and so we got partial walls that need to be replaced and flooring and other stuff. So that's an ongoing process. had my HRDC meeting. Um had a really great uh presentation from
Tony H. I don't know how you pronounce his lane last name. HT Holmes. Um um and a couple of his past students there um for the high school home build that HRDC works with um providing the the land and stuff for the um building for the high
school students to to learn the trades and work with the Northwest Tech. And it's just an awesome program and and pretty amazing how uh how invested Tony has been with the students and and uh really cool to see that. Had a Mississippi Headwaters Board meeting. Um
not nothing major to report there. Uh Cast Lake Fire Association. We've had I've had several meetings there. um in the process of uh we've been doing we did a bunch of interviews for people um for the Cast Lake Fire Chief position
and um now we've actually offered it to a a guy. I've got a call with him tomorrow afternoon hoping that he will be accepting the position. Um and that's some more to come on that. Had a JASBY a joint airport zoning board meeting and I
attended uh last week uh to to set the fees. That was our annual meeting and to elect officers for that. And a planning commission meeting actually had a couple of those cuz one of them we decided to go uh physically visit the site. It was a very topographically challenged site
on on Threeland Lake and u we came back here after visiting the site and and ultimately approved the the u the variance for that. So pretty busy couple weeks. That's my report. Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner Sunner.
Well, Mr. Chair, uh my schedule wasn't as busy. I'm I'm glad. Uh couple weeks ago, I took some some time off and and uh went out of state. So, uh last week I had the ditch meeting up in uh Griggla. Uh that was a good
meeting and uh I had the uh first uh NL credentials committee meeting. Uh I was appointed by uh President Clark from Texas uh to serve on the credentials committee
uh for this following or this coming annual meeting. Uh so uh we will be meeting for the next few months until uh the next uh Niko presidential uh election. So that's my report. Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> Mr. Sumar. Mr. Y. >> No report this week. Ah, >> so been uh pretty quiet. Had one AMC related thing last week or two weeks ago. That's about it. >> Thank you, Mr. Carlson.
>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I was there it was a Zoom meeting. It was the Bel Tramy County Hazard Ma mitigation plan meeting number one. That was riveting. I am sure glad that and I and a shout out to Chris Mueller. Um, we're thankful
that we have such a great emergency manager. Um, so that as commissioners, we don't have to worry about it so directly like they would in Clearwater County when they don't have administrators and such. U, so shout out to Chris, but so yeah, that was I I
intend to to they're all Zoom calls, so I I intend to be on those as much as I can. Um, with Commissioner Gosig, the airport authority. Um I did there was a one-hour it was a mean airport case study that's the Minnesota electronic
aviation network. Um and again that is about promoting uh u electrified planes. Uh some of them could actually be hybrid some could just be strictly electric. Um and what they're what they're working
towards to begin with is mostly uh cargo type halls. So hauling cargo, you know, freight goes in and out of Bumiji. I don't know if you're aware, uh, Bumiji Aviation handles a lot of freight in and out of Bumiji every day. Um, connecting
things with uh, FedEx and UPS and all those kinds of things. Um and uh they're thinking that that for these small hub to hub h uh hops gathering these products these these packages and
moving them to the next place uh that the electronic aviation might be a great way uh to start get started in that area. Um and so and again Bumiji was rated number two in the in the in the state of Minnesota as a place that would
be the most logical to have a hub. And so for Craig and I on the airport authority working to make sure that anything we do in um working anything that we do out the airport, we keep that in the back of our
mind so that we always make sure that we have the right kind of electrification whether it's three-phase power for whatever those Craig would know better than that but we have all the power that we need out there to be able to u charge a plane for example. Um
anyway, it was a good case study. Um Greater Bumiji monthly meeting. Um I think that uh the um Northern Sky YMCA has made a final the final okay of advancing the YMCA
project forward. So that's that has met its last test. And so moving forward and um still a small amount of fundraising left to do, but mostly it's taken care of. um had the uh AMC legislative update
via Zoom. Um jail design and operations committee. We continue to meet every other week. Uh I had my monthly Prime West uh finance and operations and the joint powers board meeting last Thursday. Um and then the yesterday I I
zoomed into the Minnesota Rural County legislative updates. Um and I think that's it, Mr. Chair. Okay, very good. Thank you. And I don't have a lot at all either. Um I'll be doing Baskque in the morning, but about it for
me. >> Motion to return. >> Second. >> We're done. Yes. Part: 2
All right, 3:00 we will call the work session to order. Uh we have some new employees. So introduction of new employees. Yes, I have a couple of new employees.
Actually, I have more than two, but I've been saving these up. I usually bring them when I'm on the early on the agenda, not later in the agenda. So, it worked out today and it worked out for these two to come. Um, we do have some other maintenance employees that I'll bring at a different date. They uh could
be here, but uh first uh we have Sierra Smith. She is our new rightaway agent. And then Sam Pinkerton is our new engineering technician. Thank you. >> What do you want to know? >> Number one,
>> tell us your name again. >> Yeah, so I'm Sam Pinkerton and I just started this role uh two weeks ago. I'm happy to be here and previously I was an engineering technician with the Indian Health Service out of >> AI.
Okay. >> Yeah, I'm happy to be here. >> I'm Sierra Smith. Previously, well, I am still a real estate agent, but I've been a real estate agent for about nine years now. um joining on the rightway crew at
Bel Tramy County and happy to help. Happy to be here. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes. >> Uh Bruce. >> Yes, sir. >> Bruce, >> is he Oh, he's Oh, I was just going to ask about the your um laborers for the
summer. Are are those positions filled or >> uh they started interviewing today and then they're interviewing tomorrow, Thursday, and Friday. And so, they're not not full yet. And I a lot of them are uh it's posted open until filled. >> Okay.
>> But we're hoping hoping this week we can get most of them filled. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Future work topics. Does anybody have anything? Nothing. All right,
we'll keep it easy for you, Tom. All right, Dancing Sky presentation. >> Good morning everyone. My name is Heather. I'm the director with Dancing Sky Area Agency on Aging. Um, okay.
I got to figure this. Ah, there we go. Um, thank you for having me today. So, Dancing Sky operates under the Northwest Regional Development Commission and Dancing Sky covers 21 counties throughout Northwest Minnesota. So, I'm going to talk specifically about the
aging programs and some of the work that we do. um our kind of orientation PowerPoint I realize is more than I'm gonna have time to cover today. So, I'm gonna speed through some of it that I think is um less relevant. But that being said, if you guys have questions,
concerns, comments, um please feel free to reach out to me. There is my card in your packet. Happy uh to take phone calls, meet for coffee, you know, help answer any questions that you guys might have. So we have a 21count advisory structure
and that reports to the Northwest Regional Development Commission for all of like the financial decisions and grant overall grant making process. So um Commissioner Carlson serves on our 21ount regional um board.
Our staffing overview. So I like to kind of explain we have two different programs. So we have one program which is the development team. they are responsible for um our work in the communities so to speak. They're not necessarily doing work that's tied to
Heather helped you know Betty with X Y and Z. It's more that um larger picture development work. How do we get program services into communities? Um work with grantees, things like that. That team works with our federal older Americans
act allocations and grants regrants that process out to our local grantees. So um the providers are doing the work and we're regranting but our team helps with technical assistance um maybe answers
questions if they're applying for other grant funds and various different things. So every so many years we go through a regrant process for all the titles of the older Americans act funds and then we do also have some state uh nutrition funds that come down to like
meals on wheels and things like that. So um last year we switched over to one nutrition provider. So nutrition services incorporated is now serving all 21 counties. It used to be Lo Lutheran Social Services, excuse me, in uh
Belrammy County. And then we have our Minnesota Aging Pathways team, formerly known the Senior Linkage Line. And that is the team that is more Heather is helping Betty on a specific need. Um, and that could be related to anything.
Maybe it's staying in their, you know, home. How do they get services in the community? How do we connect them? bridge the gaps in, you know, if they're discharging from a nursing home, you know, did the home health show up, you know, how can we help uh keep you safe
in your community and just kind of be that bridge in that gap? So, that team, the Minnesota Aging Pathways team, does a variety of different work. Uh the 800 number is available Monday through Friday, 8 to 4:30. Folks can call in related to there. again pretty much
anything that they have questions or concerns on and our team will help uh direct and follow through. A lot of our work is related to Medicare calls. So that Medicare open enrollment um our team our SHIP counselors so certified health insurance providers and um we
receive no commission for the work that we do. We're not endorsed by anyone. So, when someone calls in and wants help with their plan, we're going to go use the Medicare website and help coach them on potentially what uh might be the best solution for them. So, my mom turned 65
in May and she just called me the other day and she's like, "Oh my gosh, Heather, I just got off the phone with the senior linkage line." And she said it was amazing cuz my dad was a veteran. she didn't know how to navigate like are my dad's, you know, um VA, is that going
to fill gaps? What do we need? And so, a lot of a lot of the calls are related to figuring out that Medicare piece, but it could be um anything that someone needs help in the community with. We also have a team that is called resource coordinators, and those folks can come out to someone's home and do more of
that in-depth and person- centered planning, too. They do a support plan and really that long-term where if someone just calls into the 800 number, it might be kind of a one call and and done. The resource coordinators can provide ongoing followup. We have staff spread strategically
throughout the 21 counties, but our main office is in Warren. Here's our mission and our vision. Um, then you'll see this is the map of the other AAA's. Just helpful to know uh the coverage throughout the state.
Um, I'm going to skip over a little bit of our demographics and some of that information might not be too surprising to you all. Um, the area agency on aging structure. So, this kind of just demonstrates where
we are in the planning and service and continuing continuum of care, excuse me. So funds come down from the administration of community living to the Minnesota Board on Aging and then they're regranted to your area agencies on Aging and then from there this is
that kind of development piece that I shared. We're working with providers to help um you know them hopefully be successful in aging services but then also coordinate the funds that come down to us and then there again serving older adults in the communities.
Our access role is kind of that connection piece that I shared. You know, we're helping connect people to a variety of different things and it's it's very vast and different on what folks call in and need help with there. Again, this is the Minnesota
Aging Pathways. We're free. We're objective. We're neutral. We're never going to sell you anything. Um we just want to help answer your questions and get folks the support that they need. I'm going to skip over some of this. This is how to make referrals to Minnesota Aging Pathways. So, this would
be that in-person piece. Um, but then also the 800 number, finding resources. This, um, is where it's a database that the state helps maintain and this is where resources can be put in and then
our teams can search. So, if a new provider comes and starts doing home care, we're going to help coach them on getting their information into the site. So then if anyone is looking throughout the state or maybe it's a caregiver, you know, outside the state of Minnesota,
they can do a search. It's basically like a Google search um but services that are here local to Minnesota. And then um the AAA teams are doing data integrity to make sure that things are um up and working the way that they should and providers are current and
that sort of thing. Um, here are some of our by the numbers uh for Minnesota Aging Pathways. There again, our annual report is in those blue zip folders that I gave you guys. So, that should be um fairly um quick
and easy to go through. This highlights a little bit of our development role. Um some of the work that they do with evidence-based programming and classes. I know there's a matter of balance class happening here at the senior center. Um that's something that our team, our development team helps um get up and
going and train folks and get the communities ready to do some of that work on their own. And then I'm going to skip through a little bit of our persons served and this is for our older um Americans act
funding. So early on when I kind of categorized it into buckets, um we have a B bucket of funding and then we have C which is our congregate and homed delivered meals. We have a D and an E. So our 3D is for evidencebased classes.
Our E is caregiver support. And then jumping back to B because that is the most coveted bucket of money because it can do a variety of different things. So things in the B bucket of funds can be transportation, information and assistance, um medication management,
various different programs and services. So Bel Tramy County, I know if you look from 24 to 25, there was a large jump in um persons served. Some of that is attributed to um Ruth Sherman and her
team get funds B funds for information and assistance. I think the higher utilization rate was from the storm this summer. So when we see that huge gap in thinking of um person served that information and assistance is her team is connecting people to various
different uh resources within the community. And then these are our grantees for 2026. So this is for B the home and community based services that I just mentioned. And then we have our C nutrition and E
um which is the caregiver. >> Wow. >> And our D as I mentioned. Um part of our role too is an advocacy role. So there again depending on um needs that we're seeing arise in
community. Um we do take a little bit of an advocacy stand. Um, I know right now with the legislature, we're working to secure more um, state senior nutrition funding because our need for meals for older adults is really growing.
So, you'll see some of those advocacy roles and supports. A special project that I want to just touch base on and then I'll do a time check because I could just keep going too, so I don't want to hold you guys hostage. Um the wraps project was a
special project that we normally don't have direct service funds in our um purview as a AAA. Some states function that way. The state of Minnesota typically does not. So we normally don't have money to um award out to folks for
certain things. Um we applied for some American Rescue Plan funds and were awarded and worked with the county's um their adult protection teams for vulnerable adults and then when they made the referral to us through a secure looped um referral-based system we could
support with funds for whatever that client needed in their emergency situation. So, a lot of it was food. Um, sometimes it was emermergency shelter, things like that. So, then when the county made the referral, our team
stepped in just for a very short window of time and helped maybe set up the hotel. I know when the storms were going on, that was something that some people needed some um housing. So that's an example just from the county here that our team stepped in helped with um you
know getting those bills getting the person situated and then there again the county would remain with their project and mitigation plan but that was a very unique project unfortunately because it was ARPA funds they have ended but I know in Bel Tramy County I think off the
top of my head we served I don't remember exactly how many people but I know it was about $12,000 that went um back into direct service for for vulnerable adults. Um, our development team also um worked on a special project with the Northwest
Minnesota Foundation doing some needs assessments uh to identify aging programs gaps and services. And then there again, we just strive for comprehensive partnerships to better serve our planning and service area.
questions, concerns, comments for me. >> That was amazing how you did that in 15 minutes. >> I was trying. I didn't look at the clock because I'm like I'm just going to keep going. >> Hey, just wondering, Heather, thank you for the presentation. Wondering um are
there income guidelines or anything for the elderly people that you know as far as what kind of help they can get or you know, how does that work? >> No, there's usually not income guidelines for any of the work that we do. That being said, we have federal
regulations. So, if we're granting out um you know, I'm going to use uh senior meals as an example. So, the nutrition provider has to send out a sheet that is in um not income based, but it's a
donation request. So, sometimes there's cost share, sometimes there's sliding fee that are federal regulation that throughout the programs we might have to coach the grantees on. You know, we know sometimes this looks like a bill for the clients and they are in no way obligated
to donate for their senior meals, but if they can contribute, um, you know, the letter has to be mailed to to them or a caregiver. So, in general, I would say no, but there are nuanced things like that that that make a difference. For
Older Americans Act funds, it's 60 plus. um >> like uh if they needed a lift chair or something because they can't get in and out of the chair. Very good. Um are things like that is there any kind of help or support for things like that or no?
>> So we there again we don't have direct service funds at the AAA anymore. That being said, I know um so I've been with the agency for for 12 years. Um my former role was on the senior linkage line side. So things like that we would
want to sit down with the client or consumer and talk through because things like the mechanism for the chair they can maybe charge as durable medical equipment or get paid for and then they might have to have you know um private pay for the actual chair part. Sometimes
those are, you know, questions and things that our team can really dig down deep and research or, you know, um sometimes counties have different programs that might be available. And that's what I think our team is is pretty good at, you know, helping the
client really talk through and um you know, do some of the research because you don't know what you don't know. And there's so much out there that sometimes having someone to even sit down and have the time to look through some of those things is what um what we can help with. >> Oh, great. Thank you.
>> Yeah, >> I guess I'll have one. Um I saw you had the volunteer driver stuff. Do you provide rides for people to medical appointments that aren't able to drive anymore due to whatever? Yeah. So we um
kind of do that work in tandem with the regional development commission. So under that opaces we have um a transportation director and then we have the um RTCCC um staff and program who does some of
that work. Um, but the other part that we do is we will fund grantees in that title 3B bucket if they have a transportation service. So that's where um it gets tricky, but that on that development side. So we're not the ones
giving the ride, but if we can grant out funds to a provider that meet that federal designation for Older Americans Act funds, they're welcome to apply. Um so we do fund a couple of transportation uh agencies.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Another question but um with the overlap because Belrammy County for the area agency on aging is in the northwest regional and and yet we're also in the headarters.
How do you guys work together at all on because we have RTCC program with the HRDC. Um, and do you guys work together or communicate or anything? >> We do. Um, I don't know how how regularly um, but I do know that that
Yes. Um, so there's a director above me, Darla, um, who was the former aging director. So, I do know that she works very closely with the RDC's. I would say because we are operating as um, the aging through those 21 counties and kind
of that overlap. um we're doing the aging part but not always like we're not in the office with them like we would be other places but um there again I know I've met with the team it's been a little while um but we're always happy to coordinate and I know Darla's
probably doing more of that direct communication than myself. >> Thank you >> Mr. Carlson. >> Thank you Mr. Chair. So Heather, I think the important thing is that people remember the 800 number and if there's a question, call >> and if you can help, you will. And if you can't, you can't, right? It's just
But I think if you could put the 800 number up one more time. >> Um, >> is that possible? >> Just I just want people to know that that >> if there's a question about what >> they might be able to get help with.
>> Yep. So, it's 1 800 3332433 and I got to remember what slide it's on. >> I don't know that I have it on a slide. >> Do you guys need me to say it again? If you write it down one more time. >> Yep. So, it's 1 800 >> 3332433.
And you know it's Minnesota Aging Pathways now. >> Perfect. Okay. Yep. Excellent. >> But yeah, I mean the folks call in on anything. So I would just stress there's no silly question. Um and uh calls are
routed um by the first person that can pick up. So there again, you may get someone from our team, you may get someone across the state, but they're again they're using the same charting system. They're using the same, you know, documentation and tools. So, all the same training. >> And so, you work pretty closely with the
HHS departments in all the counties. So, um obviously you and Ann know each other. Is that correct or not? >> Um >> we need to make sure you two get together before you leave. >> Do we Okay. >> Ann is our HHS director.
>> So, I apologize. Well, I think it was be important for you guys to just if you could get together for a few seconds before you leave, that would be good. >> I know that when whenever grants opportunities come up and you send them out, first person I just send them to Ann and then she she disseminates it to
whoever wherever it should go. But and she does it. Thank you for doing that, Ann. Appreciate it. >> And there again, too, you know, our team is here for technical assistance. So if you know there's something to look over or a narrative or you know um anything like that, our team is more than willing
to you know help with that side of things too. So >> thank you all. >> Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for your time. I appreciate it. >> Thank you for coming. >> Okay, Bruce. Dust control policy. Good afternoon.
I have uh the dust control topic uh draft dust control policy for you. Um I brought this to the county board uh sometime last fall. Um we have uh many miles of
gravel roads in the county that we put uh dust control on, usually a calcium or magnesium chloride. Um but we had have received some concerns from the public or townships regarding the the negative
side of using the dust control of uh the corrosion uh potential of the chloride. It is a positive for us to use. It uh helps maintain our gravel roads. less maintenance, less graveling, less plating. So, it is a positive to using
it. I pres presented options to the board uh the last time on this topic of how we could work with a township um regarding options on what they could do if they did not want um a dust control on a certain segment of road. Uh and I
was given direction from the county board uh to put to utilize three different options. And so I've put them in a a draft dust control policy. Um last fall I shared that uh draft policy with a couple of commissioners. They
were going to a meeting with townships and individuals and uh at that meeting they received some questions. Uh brought them back to me and I had some more work I needed to do to help kind of run through that. Um finally had some time got it now here in front of the county
board for review. But the policy is is the same as what I had um had originally drafted last fall. But what I included with the draft policy is some examples um because the three options for that would be given to the township that are
in this draft policy. One is just give the road to the township. The township takes the road over completely. That'd be option three. Uh option two is they would pay for the additional maintenance. Stop chloriding. Now you got to blade it more. you got to put more gravel on it. And so there would be
a calculation of a what it would cost with the chloride and what it would cost without the chloride with then with additional maintenance. >> And the first option um is using a different product. Right now say our product costs buck 50 and this other
product cost two bucks. Uh the township could say we want to use this other product and that would cost them 50 cents the difference between the cost of those products. But the big question came up with option number two is how do you calculate how do you come up with that cost difference of when you're
putting chloride on to not putting chloride on? And so that's the example that I gave you. Um there's a kind of a calculator that shows the the cost of what it costs us to put the chloride on the road, the cost for blading that road
with chloride, and the cost of graveling that road with chloride. And the next column next to that is the without. So you got to blade it more often. What's that cost for blading? You got to gravel it more often. What's that that additional cost? These roads are all different across the
county. You got a road that's right next to a gravel pit. It's going to have lower cost, lower hauling costs. Um so it'll be a lot cheaper versus a road that's further away from a gravel road. Sorry, a gravel pit. So there is a variability in what each road segment
would cost with or without the chloride. So that was kind of one of the questions. I've put that together and that is the uh the what is included with that draft policy. I included four different road segments uh two county
roads and two county state aid highways. And the of those four, one of each uh has currently getting chloride and one is not getting chloride. Just to kind of give that comparison both ways. So if
you look on that last page or the page with the samples, there is a the first one is county road 306. That one currently uh does not have chloride. um going down through I've got the
calculation there, but in the end you're comparing the green at the top to the green at the bottom. The green at the top is how much it would cost to blade according to the calculator. And then down below the actual cost, it is a 2024
cost because that's the most recent information we have, but that's what we spent for blading that road in 2024. And then the next one in orange is the gravel and cost. The calculator um calculates out how much gravel it's
going to take to put on that road to what we down below is what we actually put on there. And I did have to use a 10-year average because we don't put gravel on every road every year. So I looked over 10 years on how much gravel we put on there and then average that out, you know, divide by 10 to come up
with that. And so the next road over is current road 301. That one we currently put chloride on. And you can see how that one kind of compares again, green to green, orange to orange. But you also can see that second column. Now we've calculated what it would cost um without
chloride. When you get down about halfway down was supposed to stick out a lot better with bold, but there it says total cost per mile or total cost per road. You can compare the two columns um in 301.
So total cost per road um with chloride right now is costing us $77,875 per year for that road. Um the calculator comes up with $88,900 for what it would cost to maintain that
road without chloride. So, if a township came forward and said, "We do not want chloride on 301, we want to use option number two, they would need to pay that difference." And so, roughly the $11,000
um the township would have to pay the county for our increased maintenance costs if the township came to us with the request for 301. >> Similarly, um again, I gave examples with county roads. The next two examples are with
county state aid highways. Um the the last one is county road 55. Again you can see the in the bold the difference between total cost per road of you know 74,000
versus 80 like an $81,000 cost. So that one is roughly a you know a seven $67,000 cost for that road. um for um not putting chloride on there. So that would give the township, you know,
rough idea on some examples, costs. Uh these uh uh other roads can be put into this calculator. Um again, there are some roads that are going to be right next to a gravel pit that it might come out the
opposite way or, you know, there's very little cost to go from putting chloride on there to not. Um, but when you get further away, the costs are potentially going to be a lot higher higher than these two because a lot of it does come down to trucking costs. Um, how far you
got to haul that gravel. But I guess that's the presentation I have. Again, I have the draft policy up for the board to review, consider, and uh hopefully adopt at some point. >> Commissioner Carson. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Bruce, I want to
appreciate you giving the townships this option. I think it's rather than take it or leave it. I really appreciate the time because I know it had to take a lot of time to do that. Just want you to know I think it's very much appreciated. I think by the townships and you guys went to the last I I think you had good
results there that at least they understand that we're trying to listen and >> Mr. here. Um the after after Commissioner Sumar and I went to that that's where we came back and asked for numbers and that you know wasn't the policy so much. We actually had seven I
believe it was different options then we paired it down to these three and but it was a you know comparison finding out cuz we were just saying that they'd pay a difference. They didn't know what the difference would be. That was the challenge. Now, we're coming in a little bit late in the game really because they've had their annual meeting and set their budgets for this year, you know,
for the next year and, you know, at their March 11th or whatever it was meeting. So, um, so that, you know, um, little, you know, and a calculator is just your best guess. That's not necessarily accurate to what it really could be. just like the first numbers
show up where it actually was a little bit more per mile on the green versus green and stuff um on the county county road 306 um actually cost a little bit more than what your calculator says. And then um a couple ones over on County
State Highway 23, it was actually um significantly less per mile. It was, you know, $3,650 versus 4262 for the blading. And and so I just u um I would like to implement the policy, but just
to cut to the chase, I would think that we should implement it and then look at what the actual numbers end up being for this year. You know, give the townships the option to um although we're we're going to be voting on a dust control policy, so they're probably going to get dust controlled. So that's not going to
work too great now. I think about it. Um, but I I'm just concerned about um billing them ahead of time for stuff that we may or may not end up doing like and I couldn't read I don't know if we could get the actual originals on these because I couldn't read like on the
lower right that I don't it looked like it was 920 but even with the magnifying glass I couldn't really read exactly what that number was. Um, if it was average of 920 cubic yards of gravel per year on County State 55.
Um, and >> Oh, probably the 720. >> You're thinking it's 720. >> Yeah, >> it sure looked like 920 under the magnifying glass, but >> but uh um you know, so if that was if we're already putting 920 and then we're saying 720 without and 360 with that
those numbers don't drive. So, >> you typing in the gold down below. >> Yeah. Yeah, I can zoom in pretty tight here. Uh, >> well, the >> 920 on the one 2601. >> So, we've we've put down 920. >> The calculator up above was 360.
>> Yeah. 360. >> Yeah. >> So, the the 920 >> is actual. >> Yeah. But we've we've done lots of improvements on that road. >> Yeah. >> So, we that's where it's hard to >> Yeah. There's so many variables >> come up with a an actual
>> Yeah. the the calculators in is actually better because it's uniform, you know, it is it's got it's a got a formula. So, you got numbers you're putting in that formula where the actual is uh again, we did lots of improvements on 55. So, we
put down lots of gravel. Um, we might have another road that, you know, we're not uh haven't put down uh gravel on it in the last 10 years, but we're going to put it down this year, you know. So, it's hard to >> we don't again, we don't gravel every road every year. We we rotate around the
county and and and even when we rotate into that area, we're not putting gravel on all the roads. So, it's hard to and then it's hard to pull out costs. I because that's why I'm only comparing gravel amounts to gravel amounts, not cost of graveling because we could have graveled that road 10 years ago and it's not fair to use
>> way less money. Yeah. Right. >> And that's that's the part that I would just have a tough time with is especially depending upon when we would implement this it, you know, I would want to and and the calcium chloride that we put on for a year doesn't just immediately go away. And so there's
residual effects. So, are we really going to have, you know, whatever 43.75% more um graveling and blading that very first year? We shouldn't because of the residual effects of the calcium chloride on those roads. So, you know, the cost
difference shouldn't be nearly as much the first year as it might be the second or third or fourth year if they if they chose option two where they're just, you know, not doing any calcium chlorating on it. If they choose the option one, then they definitely think that, you
know, that it's pretty cut and dried if they want to try a different product to that they should pay for whatever the difference in cost is of that different product. But, uh, option two, I don't I would think that we would want to do it in the rears and say here's how many times we actually, you know, are we even going to have the staffing to do it that
to great grade it and gravel it that many more times um on on that year I like the calculator says we're going to do, you know, and so I I would want to say let's implement it and then based on how how much residual effect is left in
the road um when we'll we'll put that we'll say here's here's bill, have them agree to that depending upon what we actually have actual versus what was budgeted, this is how much we're going to add on next year, and you can put that in your budget and and and have it be levied the following year or
something like that. Um, just because there's so many variables, it'd be tough to to just expect them to pay for something when there may not be any additional cost. That's my thoughts. We're on the road number crunching. It's very difficult to
to make it make sense because there's so many. And so it was a tough task for us to give you, but that's that's that's what they were asking for and that's what she asked for. Well, that's again the the the studies that have been done in
the past, they've kind of got an outline for that calculator and because there are so many variables. It is it is how much you blade and how much you haul gravel, but uh there's there's variables to that and yeah, there's the residual effect, but I also don't want a township
to go, oh, not this year. And then, oh, it's going to cost us more next year because the calcium chloride is now gone. Now, it's going to cost us that much more because we're not going to have the residual effects. So now we got to put more chloride down than we normally would. So I there could be games played too by a township go every
other year and and benefit be a contract or something where you know this is what you're going to do and move forward or here's your application. If you don't then you got own up to paying for it for a year or two afterwards or something >> with a calculator. They're going to have
a known cost if it's the in the rears or afterwards. I can see a township complaining. We go out there and put that at >> two inches of gravel on the road and they're they're going to say you didn't need to do that. We're not going to pay that. You know, there's there's lots of ways of arguing.
>> It almost be better to not give them option to just have you wanted to do a different product and pay the different product. You know, I I don't like the idea of reverting the road over to the township. I doubt that any of that anyway. Um so really found option one
being the best solution if they don't want calcium chloride magnesium chloride because of its effect on the environment or the effect on their vehicles then um then they can choose a different product but some of them found that that's supposedly even cheaper than calcium
chloride magnesium chloride um then they could choose that instead and and pay pay whatever additional difference there is but we need to probably bring us back to the townships and see what they think about that.
>> You think 100% >> that sure if they have any questions or concerns that >> that they would reach out to us you after today. So um and I think was this on the consent agenda for this afternoon? No. >> No. This year's dust control contract
>> Oh. >> for doing magnesium or calcium chloride is actually okay. a question on that too, huh? >> It it was on the consent agenda, I believe. Right. >> Not this isn't. >> Yeah, the dust control. >> Well, >> no, that's for the dust control.
>> Our contract is on there, but also >> I don't think this one is, is it? >> See, pop that up. >> You're correct. >> It's just a dust control. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. >> And I was going to pull that from consent, but maybe since we have you up here anyway, we could get the answer to
it. There's two two on that dust control contract. There's two actual dollar amounts there and two bit two engineers estimates. Is that for like two different parts of the county that? >> Oh, two different options. So that's the calcium chloride or magnesium chloride. >> Oh, okay. So it's not double the cost.
No. Okay. And so >> it's one one or the other. And so we would pick we picked the lowest of. >> So do we have to pick that in a meeting or you're recommending a lower cost one which was 619,000 or something like that? >> Yeah, I didn't print that one off in front of me, but it's the to award the
contract >> 640. That was the 620. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I was wondering why there were two of them on there. That's like, well, maybe it's the north part of the county because one of them Knife River did bid, the other one they didn't. >> Yeah. So, Knife River only bids calcium chloride. The other contractor bids Bid
both or calcium both. >> Y. So, yeah, it's a it's an alternate bid. >> Okay. So, and I won't have to pull that now. I understand what the deal is there. So, back back to uh Commissioner Goick's question about
uh taking it back to the uh townships. Um looking at my calendar and schedule, I don't know how much time um I have available or or when we need to have this um
approved. So, is it another month or two? Well, that was my point, Commissioner Sner, is that we're kind of behind the eightball. We should have been talking about this in January or at the end of the year really because now we're we're approving the dust contract for this year, which
is going to be magnesium fluoride for all of our roads, which is going to include the roads that they necessarily didn't necessarily want. So, we're we're not going to be able to not we're not going to be able to kind of choose one of these for this year, are we? If this were adopted and approved and it was
given to the township, um if they would turn around and say we don't want it on county road 301, we could pull that and not put those that down. We we have the ability to change our quantity in our contract, the dust control contract. So we can increase or decrease
>> that dust control which is on consent for tonight. We could still >> Yep. >> potentially pull it in. So we'd have to get on it right away with the township. So >> So if Yeah. So if this policy were approved now or the next meeting and given to the townships and long as they're you know coming to us again this
yeah we're like you say we're late behind the eightball on this one but if they come to us and say hey we don't want it on 55 and then we come to you know we come to an with the agreement for both boards to approve you know we're putting the chloride down in June you know before the 4th of July is kind
of our deadline. So, you know, we have a little bit of time for them to consider it if if that's the way we wanted to go. >> We'd have to get get it in front of them. They'd have to meet decide what they want to do. They only meet typically once a month. And then once
they've decided, then they would have to come back to us. We'd have to get on our agenda for us to approve that. And so, I mean, that that isn't a lot of time, >> right? >> Yeah. I mean, we're talking, you know, well into May by the time anything would get done if we were able to get it get
this approved at our next board meeting and then they would have their beginning of the month township meetings and so on. So, it' be pretty pretty tight window. So, um
>> let's take it to four town. I'll I'll follow your lead on on when we should meet with that townships. >> I think we should meet with them pretty soon if we can. And and you know, I'm I'm going to be not great time frame doctor appointment.
So, we'll have to get back together with with them and see if anything works out. >> We'll see when we custom house. >> I don't think there was a It's not in here. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It it I didn't I I didn't have it on consent. I kind of >> ass right now if they know that if they make a decision on it right away. I mean, we're already beyond their beginning meeting
in April probably already. Most of them at least my ship anyway in a lot of ways usually meet the the first first week of the month Tuesday night or Monday night or whatever. So they probably have already had their meeting for April unless they have a special meeting. Um
>> well I'm guessing this is sort of like a first reading so to speak so that we get a chance to take a look at it and give you feedback. Correct. And that's why we didn't have it on consent agenda is that we had feedback that we wanted something changed. We should make sure boo gets that. >> That's why we're doing a work session. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And so now we can get this initial these numbers and and did you intend for us to have the actual the spreadsheet um or just the PDF version because you know obviously in the spread or the PDF version we just see the numbers. We
don't see how the calculations that I did in the math figured out some of it but but you know we didn't have the actual spreadsheet. PDF that was in some cases difficult to read what resolution we're standing some
>> I got too much on a 8 and 1 half by 11 page I guess >> has been planning the budget usually bring stuff on 11 by seven So yeah, I think that Mr. Ter and I will have to >> okay >> we have the majority of the time Mr.
Carlson had one of them that was in that initial grouping. Um talk to talk to them for you know obviously they're maybe maybe come tonight later. I don't know but I responded to Rachel on I did
not get response back from um but we can talk to him about it and we'll see if we can get any kind of consensus from the township or nine or 10 townships that that we were meeting with and then bring to the board.
>> At least to get the policy in place so that we can for sure have everything scheduled for next year the very first. >> Okay. Big thing is tonight we just vote on the other one for the
>> Y. Got it. And if they end up wanting to cut out and switch to different product and have the money in their budgets to do so, they can they can do that district. >> Okay. >> Even though we don't have the policy approved, they can know that they could
do that and get the policy approved and work on agreement. >> Yeah. If you're sharing this ahead of time and a township has a what would the cost be for old 300? you know, we can run that calculation andor cost for a different product or
>> Okay, >> sounds good. >> All right, >> thanks for the information. >> Okay, while Bruce is there, let's move on to the Clearwater County Engineer Service agreement. >> Yeah, with this one, uh, the Clearwater
County Engineers retiring as of June 1. um they had reached out regarding interim uh engineering services uh very similar to what uh Hubard County did uh a couple years ago. Um they
are currently actually their um applications closed last Friday. So they are well on their way through the process. uh hopefully they're are going to be interviewing this month and potentially that still allows the applicant or candidate, you know, 30
days to put in his notice and could be in place by June 1. So, in my mind, um they this might not be needed with the time frame we're on, but they reached out just in case. Maybe they don't get candidates or someone backs out or whatever, but they wanted to have this in place. Um this is kind of a three-way
agreement. Clearwater County, Belrami County, and myself. Um really they're after the the PE at the end of my name. They need a registered engineer for uh documents uh plans and construction projects. And I guess I was when they
approached me I was willing to help out. And so I uh have this in front of the board here for consideration because it also you know it takes your your approval. The two boards u would approve an agreement a very similar agreement to
what was done with Hubard County. what is done with other counties that are in the same situation. Uh the state does like to see this agreement uh put in place. Um and so this is the same agreement we had with uh Hubard County. Uh the one thing that I did change was
the cost. I bumped it up with Clearwater. Um another thousand dollars um spent a couple of years and so the costs have gone up. But uh then the last part of it is the allocation. Uh the it
is a shared uh the county Belrami County gets some for the loss of my services. I get some for the the use of my uh services my the PE behind my name. Uh but the other change that I have here is uh I guess my recommendation is some of
it goes to my assistant. Um the time frame of this agreement is different than with Hubard County. Hubard County, we were done by April. And so that was kind of the the design time in our office. Um so if I'm gone one day, I can come back the next day and sign plans.
But if we get into June, July, uh the summer, that's construction season. So there's a lot more going on, a lot more decisions that need to be made potentially on a, you know, more immediate basis. And so um there would be more work potentially on my assistance. So, I guess I have a
recommendation that there's some additional compensation for >> How confident are you they're going to find somebody? >> I've talked to two people that were interested in applying. I have no idea if they did. Um, but they were asking me questions about, you know, county
engineering and so I mean, not even I'm not even Clearwater County and I I know of two that were um considering it. So, um I've talked with their Clearwater County engineer and and he had another individual that was had reached out too.
So, I am thinking that they got two, three, maybe more applicants. And again, I So, in my opinion, we're not going to be needed. But, >> okay, >> if all if all goes as it should. >> All right.
Anybody else have any questions? Mr. Chair, >> just wonder Bruce. So, I mean, normally we had done 50/50, 50% for the county, 50% for for for you. Well, in this scenario, you're doing a little over 50% for the staff. Why wouldn't it be 50/50? Why wouldn't it be, you know, 5,500 for
you, thousand for her or whoever that assistant is, and then 6,500 for the county? >> Yeah, good question. That that split can be whatever. In the past, it was the just split between the two, right? >> Other counties had done that. uh and
there wasn't a set, you know, 50/50 or 10% here or that. They just they gave some compensation. So there's not a set requirement on any of those any of those dollar amounts. >> That's what we did the last time just using, you know, we're going to carve out some
for your assistant. We're we're losing some of that time too from the county standpoint. So it wouldn't make sense to do, you know, half and half there, too. I guess I I put it as you're not losing his services. He's doing more work, I guess. But you're you still got them,
but it's it's more work on his on his plates. It's how I had it in my head. But >> yeah, not for me. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Oh, this this is >> this one is on consent. So,
>> okay. >> Thank you, Bruce. >> Thank you. >> Next generation 911 updates. >> Good afternoon, commissioners. I'm Kevin Trap, the county GIS director with me today. I also have Kate, who is our GIS
and survey records technician, as well as Janice, who's our 911 communication supervisor. We wanted to take an opportunity today to share some updates about Next Generation 911. Um, 911 and public safety are two very fundamental core components of local government. And
so we wanted to talk a little bit about some updates, uh, a little bit about what NextG 911 is and some of the things that it requires of us and some, uh, recent accomplishments and success stories. I'll start with a bit of basic
terminology. So E 911 stands for enhanced 911, and that is that older legacy system that was implemented in the state pretty much during the 1980s and 1990s, although the original 911 system has been around longer than that. That system is being phased out. It was
built to handle Wline calls or landline calls, but it was not built to handle wireless calls. NG 911 stands for next generation 911. That's the new system that we are transitioning to. It was built to handle all types of calls as well as text messages, photo, and video. And you'll hear a little bit more about
that later. PAP stands for public safety answering point. That's just a technical term for the emergency communication center or 911 center. And GIS, of course, stands for geographic information system. And the main thing we want you to know about GIS today is that without it, 911 doesn't work.
So last year, how many of the county's 911 calls came from wireless devices? And we didn't tell you we were going to test you today. So we >> we can just tell you 88% of our calls to 911 last year came from wireless devices. So that's an important number
to keep in mind as we go through this. That older system was built with a few basic assumptions. So one of those assumptions you had you have a telephone and the telephone has a number associated with it. Then you assume that that phone is inside of a house or business and it doesn't go anywhere. And then you assume that the house or
business has a physical address that can be located. So with those few assumptions you could design a 911 system that was very effective for handling 911 calls from landline telephones. But then along came wireless devices and they don't have a physical address associated with them because
they move around. What they do have though, at least nowadays, they all have GPS receivers built into them. Smartphones all have GPS in them. So you might say, well, if Domino's knows where I am, then doesn't 911 also know where I am? And the answer
to that, when you're thinking of the way the older system was designed, it wasn't capable of knowing your devices GPS location. That couldn't be transmitted through a phone call. So the way that we're all accustomed to location services on our smartphones working, the 911 system wasn't built to accommodate
that in the same way. So how did it work? Well, we're going to hearken back to the days of old and think about a time when phones were just phones and they didn't do a million other things. And so the system relied on signals between the cell phone towers and the
cell phones themselves. So, if you were a 911 telecommunicator or a dispatcher, you might only get an in get a description that says a 911 call came from this general direction from a cell phone tower. Maybe it came from somewhere northeast of the cell phone tower that's located at this specific
address or location. And it might not be anything more descriptive than that. As technology improved and if you were in areas where there were multiple towers and it could triangulate that signal, you might get a little bit more precise location, but it wasn't again always a very reliable way of doing this. And a key takeaway here is that the modern
device technology, our smartphones having GPS in them doesn't really matter much if the systems can't handle that information anyway. So, shift gears a little bit, talk about the role of GIS in the older 911 system. GIS was mainly used for just visual
display. Um, it was able to map the call location after it had been routed. It worked well for landlines, but like I said, didn't work very well for wireless devices. And then it was also used for just displaying other helpful map information that you might need when responding to an emergency. But the bottom line is that GIS is a helpful
tool here, but it was not critical for call processing. In the nextG 911 system, the role of GIS is totally transformed. So now GIS is part of the call routing process. So that's using the devices GPS location and comparing that to geographic boundaries to
determine which PAP to route the call to, which county to route the call to. It's also used for location validation. So that's confirming that caller location against our GIS data. It's used for emergency service determination. So that's the process of identifying which law enforcement, fire, and EMS agencies
respond at that location. And then again, it's still used for those same things as before, the visual display, mapping the call location, showing other map information, but now it works well for both landlines and wireless devices. So the bottom line now is that GIS is actually working behind the scenes
before the call is even answered. So GIS data now plays a very critical role in this process that it never did before. So with that, I'm going to hand it over to Kate. And Kate's going to talk a little bit about some of the things that we had to do as a county with GIS to make all of this possible.
So now we have data that's been set up for the old system. How do we transition to this new system? Well, we want to make sure that we're um meeting these specific standards. There'll be new standards coming out that we had to change all of our data to to meet these specific standards. We
want to make sure that our calls are routed accurately. We want to make sure that if you're calling from Bel Tramy County that your call is being answered by Bel Tramy County PAP. We do not want or we want to minimize these errors. Um we want to make sure that the right
emergency response teams are going to the right location. We want to be able to use these new technologies and we want to be able to work with our neighbors and other partners. >> Yeah. >> So when our data sets were first developed, there were no standards. We
all just kind of came up with what worked for us. 87 counties did probably 877 different things. Um this worked well for us because before it was just a visual tool. So now we are going to be standardizing this data that it all
matches throughout the state of Minnesota. So how do we go from our county practices to a statewide standard? Well, we had to analyze all the data. What data are we talking about here? We're talking about 20,000 address points within Belrammy County. Each one
of these had to be reviewed, standardized, and validated to make sure it met those those new standards. Over 10,000 road segments. So, we're not talking just 10,000 roads in the county. We're talking about each
road being divided up into segments um such as Minnesota Avenue here would be divided up from 6th to 7th, 7th to 8th, 8th to 9th. Those would be individual road segments that all had to be um again reviewed, standardized, validated.
44 emergency service zones. Each service zone is made up of which responders are going to it. So you have which law enforcement, which fire department, which ambulance, and which um first responder would be going.
all this within our one point um within our pet boundary. Now this requires coordination as well with our nine bordering counties. We all have to make sure that we fit within this puzzle and that we are all matching and we all know where our lines are and we know which
call is supposed to go to which PAP. So we went through this validation process after everything was standardized. What we would do is we'd take our data, package it into a format that the state had requested, upload it into this portal. Um, there were 27 different
steps. This is just 12 of them. And it would analyze our data, tell us what was wrong with it, spit out a report listing everything that needed to be fixed. So, we get a table that would say, for instance, here we have over 600 points
that need to be looked at, reviewed, and corrected in one area. We get another table that would list exactly where those were. And then I'd go through and try and find each one, correct it, make the decisions that need to be made to standardize that. So, for instance, on
the left here, we have an example where we've got Highway 2, westbound, eastbound with a township road running south. When you first look at the map, it looks fine. Doesn't look like there's anything wrong with it. Everything looks to match up. You zoom in, zoom in
closer, zoom in closer, zoom in closer, see that those lines don't actually meet within our systems. And there's a gap in between our two emergency service zones. The green is one zone, yellow is another zone. So all of these points, all this data had to be corrected.
We had to make a lot of decisions on how to correct some of this. Um for instance, section six of Buzz Buzzles Township, we have um a parcel that's within our county, but the driveway is in Clearwater. So how do we make sure that an ambulance
gets to the correct location when the driveway entrance and the address point is actually in Clearwater County? So, we'd make different shifts and adjustments for each one of these points to make sure that they're getting the service that they would need to get.
So, it was a long process of validating, uploading this data, reviewing it, correcting it, repeating the process over and over again. We were we had thousands of small minor errors in our data that all needed
to be corrected. Um, a lot of this was just spelling errors. We had two spaces in between Birchmont Beach Road instead of one space. Well, that's a violation. That needs to be fixed. Different points didn't match up. That needs to be fixed. Um, we had the
wrong postal community listed for some. We had the neighboring one instead of what it is, and that needed to be corrected. Some numbers were transposed. um small gaps, tiny little segments and points that were not matched that we needed to go through and correct. And
like I said before, most of this you couldn't see just by looking at our map on online mapping uh map and dispatch. These are things that really were quite detailed. And it's not that our previous information, our previous data was bad.
It's just that it was not built for this. But now with NG 911, it needs to be. So, we've had to standardize all this and go through and make those corrections. And we made our first large Okay. >> Yes. >> Um, on that previous one, what did it
what does it mean by road roads are not snapped on the previous slide? >> Oh, in within our GIS systems, if one road doesn't match the other road exactly, if they're not snapped together. >> Oh, so they just basically not aligned. Snapped is just another term for Okay. >> Not exactly aligned.
>> Okay. Thank you. Sorry. So, we got to our uh our first we got over our first big hurdle on March 5th and we submitted all of our um address points, roads, um emergency service zones, and our PAP boundary to the state enterprise system. Um and this was a
pretty big accomplishment, but we're not done. This is going to be ongoing. So, our data is going to have to be checked and updated regularly because we're getting new address points all the time. Roads change, roads are added, um
boundaries change, and just in our everyday duties with our mapping, we're going to accidentally change something that we didn't mean to change. So, we'll be still going through and validating this data quarterly and updating it to
the system to the statewide system. Mr. >> Um Kate, could I ask a question? I'm just wondering will the when the uh next year when the change happens with Northern Township becoming the city of Northern is that going to affect anything with are you going to have to regrow through all this with that or
because there's still the same post office and everything and still I think it'll still say um Bumiji address on their stuff. So do you know Kevin? >> I think it's safe to say that yes there will be some things that'll need to change. Right now I'm not sure what
those are. Okay. I don't want I don't anticipate right now that it'll take a lot to make those changes, but probably one thing that'll happen is we have one of the pieces of information that exists in all of this data kind of behind the scenes is the name of the city or township or unorganized territory. So, if the name
of it changes and if there is some sort of numeric code or a census code or something associated with it, we probably will have to make those kinds of updates, but we can probably do that in a batch process. >> That's what I was wondering. Yeah, if you could hopefully do it in a batch. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Good afternoon.
Um, so why do we need NextGen 911? Uh, basically our technology has um outgrown us, outgrown our system. Um, and we need to be able to process the new ways that we're receiving information into our 911
center. Um, the communications technology has changed significantly since nation's 911 system was first introduced in 1968. So, it's come a long way. Um, I've been with the sheriff's office for 37 years.
And when I was a communications officer, we were using pen and paper and rolling out um fire numbers to try and find locations. So the technology has been amazing as it's been moving forward. So
um the methods that 911 callers are using to access our emergency services, it shifted away from those landlines. So we were pretty spoiled with being able to have a set location for us to be able to send those emergency services back then. But now everything is switching to
a wireless device. So that's going to bring in the capability of voice and text and media and next nextG 911 is basically about data and how we receive that data and being able to gather more data as it comes. So our current system
has really reached its limits. It can't take advantage of these new technologies that we have. So the what the state's going to be doing here as well and it actually is going to be a nationwide um program is going to be um going to an
IPbased technology. So we had the old copper wire um technology before. Now it's going to be going to the IPbased technology that's going to allow for faster more reliable public emergency response and communication.
Um, also along with this next gen 911 is going to be the texting to 911, which we have been doing for a while now. Um, my predecessors have already um implemented our ability for Bel Tramy
County to be able to receive those texts to 911s. As a matter of fact, we were doing it very early when it first came out, and we were answering texts to 911 calls for all of the 13 counties in the Northwest region while they were
preparing to get their technology up to speed. Since that time, we are now down to one agency that we are assisting with the text to 911 with that. And um we'd like to show a >> I got a quick question for you. Um if if
people don't have their GPS stuff on because some people don't want the tracking stuff, does this still pinpoint that somehow? Do you still find it? >> Um yes, right now we're still able to do that. If we had to, we could do some exigent u pinging if we felt that it was
very very >> an emergency process that we'd have to do. But what's also coming into play too now is the satellite technology. >> Okay. And this video that uh we're going to show will um indicate to you that we
used text to 911 during our storms that helped us receive that through satellite. >> Commissioner Sun. >> Uh thank you. So I'm I'm fortunate that I haven't had to uh text 911. And so I'm wondering what So you just
pick up your phone, you go into the text >> or or how does that work? >> Correct. So, you just go to your phone and it for your contact that you're going to send your text to, you just text 911 >> and then you send your message >> to us and then it comes into our center.
>> Okay? >> And then we receive it on our center and then it also maps on what we're using right now as a mapping tool which is called rapid SOS. And that will also map and show us and put the pin on the map for us to see. And so there there's
people that don't have, you know, data or or service to their phones. Would that same thing work if they don't have service? >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> It will still work. Um even they can even make uh phone calls in if it's not
connected through a service, >> but there's power to a phone. >> Um that can call into 911 as well. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Did I push on this? >> Okay.
>> So, Belrammy County was highlighted in a text to 911 uh story during um the time of our severe storm um over this last summer. On June 22nd, 2025, uh we had a series of severe weather impact our 4town area
in northwestern Belrammy County. These events were reported via text to 911 using satellite technology to the Belrammy County Emergency Communication Center. I received a text to 911 from the northern fortown area. Um, we don't
normally have a lot of coverage up there. U, we had recently got a notification from Grand Forks weather that there was a tornado going through the area. We had previously sent one of our deputies up there to be in the area in case anybody was in trouble. We got a text to 911 north of
Fortown in the middle of a state park that stated that they were trapped behind 50 trees, that all they had was water, food, and that they had about half a tank, 3/4 of a tank of gas, and that they needed assistance getting out. Once I received the call, I notified our
deputy who was in the area that we have a text to 911 of campers that are stranded behind 50 or so trees knocked over by the tornado. they were going to they were directed to stay with their vehicle and that they would await assistance from us. >> Telecommunicators were able to relay information to me through text message
due to no cell phone service up there. This particular swarm right over the road they were on blocking all their access out. I started to use my chainsaw and began cutting and quickly realized that there was more than I could do. And eventually the two individuals were able
to walk out to us where I gave them a ride to another campground. Without the text 911, communication would have been impossible to assist these people and what they needed. >> This was a successful outcome to text to 911 because of the training that we've
done in order to help prepare and be able to use the enhanced mapping abilities so that we can get the help that we need to the people that need it. We've used text to 911 in all various types of forms through people who have
called in domestic situations, children who were afraid to make a phone call but were able to reach out. New technologies like this uh play handinhand with the generations that are coming and the services that they're aware of and how
to use. So, when you have easeability to use something um and people are aware and how to use it, this is going to benefit everyone. We encourage you to call 911 if you can, but if you can't, you can text 911 and we're there to
answer that text for you. So, that was a um video that was highlighted through the ECN um based on one of the things that happened during our storm. We were able to pick up that 911 through satellite technology. Um and
that was way up on Dicks Parkway further north of the four town area. Is it the middle? >> Oh, sorry. >> I might have jumped the gun. Sorry, Diane.
>> Okay. So, the key steps to implementing NextGen 911 is first we have to have interoptability amongst all the PAPs. So, Minnesota goes, Minnesota goes. So in order to do that, we have to build the IP backbone and we have to make sure that everybody is switched over from
those old copper systems coming into the IP. Um we then have to demonstrate that the IP and the 911 network is robust and reliable and we're not having any issues with it. Um and then finally, we're going to have to migrate the PAPs to the
IP network once we're um confident with where we're at. So when will we be ready? This has been a question that's been going on for many years. NextGen 911 has been talked about for quite some time. Um the simple answer is we don't
know the timeline yet. Um we are working in phases through all the agencies to prepare for that time when we're going to basically flip the switch and be able to go. Um, I would like to point out um that accomplishment of when they when
the GIS department Kevin and Neil submitted that report in March to Enterprise. That was a huge accomplishment for Belrammy County. That was years in the making of cleaning
data. So what they have done has helped us immensely to be able to have accurate information and to be able to send the help that we need. So I just want to give a good shout out to them and thank you. >> Thank you. Any questions for these guys?
>> Just a couple more. >> A little bit more. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks Janice. Janice and her team do a fantastic job in the in the communication center as well making sure that we can use this technology. Just to quickly highlight the responsibilities here because this is such a big project. So there's a lot that goes on on the state side and a lot
that goes on on our side at the county level. So on the state side you have the Department of Public Safety, Emergency Communication Networks, the Statewide Emergency Communications Board, that's the SECB, MIGO, that's Minnesota Geospatial Information Office. That's sort of like the GIS agency at the state. So their responsibilities are
things like governance and policy, funding and cost management, maintaining that core technology infrastructure, standard standards, interoperability, planning and coordination. So their role is very strategic and enabling in all of this. On our side, we're more focused on the PAP operations, the call handling
and dispatch, maintaining our local technology infrastructure, maintaining that GIS data and submitting that to the statewide system like Kate talked about and the local service levels and performance. So that's kind of where the rubber hits the road. When there's an emergency, what happens to get people where they need to go? So our role is
much more operational and service delivery focused. Key takeaways then. Number one, coordination and collaboration is a big thing that drives the success of all of this. There's been a ton of coordination and collaboration. Like Janice was talking about, GIS is critical now. And the data really is as
important as the technology itself. The maintenance doesn't stop. So the data has to be continually maintained. the system and the technology backbone has to continually be maintained and updated. To that end, sustainable funding is an essential part of this as well. And finally, the mission remains
the same. The mission of 911 is to get help to people quickly and accurately. And so that's what we are here for is to help make sure that that mission is accomplished. That's all we have. I'll stand for any questions or comments the board may have for us. >> Anybody have any questions?
>> Mr. Chair, uh what was the um the name of the video? the YouTube video. >> Is it? >> Oh, that was from the ECN um to the state. >> Yeah, it's it's on the Department of Public Safety's YouTube page. We could
if you want a link to it, we could email >> or put it up on the county page. I think that's a a good >> for people to see. Yeah, >> that's a good idea. >> Thank you. >> All right. Great job, guys. >> Thanks. Time
It is. >> I didn't either till we had a meeting not too long ago and Chris was talking about it. That's crazy. All right. Uh committee commissioners committee alternates and
pdeium. We have some blanks that don't have uh alternates to them and some that we had to add. So any suggestions,
Mr. Chair, do we want to just go through them? I've got them highlighted and I blew it up so I could actually read it a little bit easier. Um and that um the ones that do not currently have a if we just go by them one by one the behav behavioral health
community collaborative currently you're the delegate and we do not have an alternate if somebody wants to to be an alternate for that one. Don't know what that one does or when they meet. >> Like 8 8 in the mornings on a Thursday. >> Thursday.
>> Um, >> even months every other month or something? >> Yeah, >> that's what it says on here. Anyway, >> anybody want to be an alternate for that one? Is that related to as far as the type of work they do at that one? Um,
>> Scott, what kind of behavioral health community collaborative? What is that similar to anything? What somebody else is a >> um delegate on or anything? >> Not really that I can think of. Let me look at the
>> What's that? I mean, I don't Yeah, I don't know what other ones we have that would be close. Um, >> I just think >> I mean Bask is Bask is close. I mean, they do some of the same kinds of things. A lot of mental health for both of them. >> Yeah, it's a lot of mental health stuff. >> I just thinking like on solid waste, you
and I are both on other solid waste ones. So, we're alternates for each other. If there was anything that was synergy like that that we could capitalize on, but >> um you're likely to go to both of those uh to you know, so I I could be the
alternate for for you on on the >> on that one. That'll work. >> And how about Basque? Does anybody want to be the Bel Tramy Area Service Collaborative? You're the direct their delegate on that one, too. >> At 8:00 also. Yep. >> It's in the in the morning on Wednesdays.
>> On Wednesdays? >> Yeah. >> Even even month Wednesdays. >> Mhm. So, we'd have one tomorrow. >> And anybody want to take that on as an alternate? Just be nice if we had an alternate for
for everything, I think. Um I'll do that one too. >> Yeah. Bel Tramy. >> Um that's so so the second and third one's on the list. That was for Basque, the behavioral or Belrammy area service collaborative.
Yes. I'll I'll do the alternate on that. Belrammy H is the next one. Um Commissioner Gould is the delegate there and we don't have an alternate for that one either. Okay. Commissioner Carlson will be the alternate for the HR. Cast Lake Fire
Association. I'm the delegate for that one. Um, we don't have an alternate on that one. Um, I'm actually the Cast Lake. >> I'm interested. >> There you go. >> You Commissioner Gold be the alternate for that one?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. um specialty court steering committee um for DWI drug domestic violence. Mr. Carlson's the delegate. I thought maybe Commissioner Winger might want to be the
alternate on that one. >> That's fine. Y >> yeah, >> with your law enforcement background and stuff. Um HRDC, the Headwars Regional Development Commission. I'm the delegate on that one. Um
>> Mr. Chair, we need to back up. Um, creator Biji is the type of board that we don't get to say who our representative is. They show they choose, >> right? >> And so we don't really need an alternate there because there there is essentially
an alternate on that board. >> If I don't go, we don't get I don't get a vote. But it's not it's not a county vote per se, >> right? It's >> what >> there's been a tradition of at least one city council person and one
county commissioner, but that's at the discretion of the greater Bumiji board. That has there's not a function of our choosing. >> Yeah. So, you're saying that the fact that we have alternate down for Commissioner Gould is really irrelevant because they wouldn't
>> it was just a point of of clarification. >> So, we should remove that or >> you might as well because there's really no There's no point. >> Okay. >> Um, did I hear you volunteer for the HRDC alternate?
>> I would do that. That's all right. Unless somebody else wants it. >> Okay. >> Move on to Hopeost board. Commissioner Gold is a delegate. Do we have somebody that wants to be alternate there? Commissioner Winger.
>> Yeah, he'll do that. >> Okay. And uh we got uh >> design and operations committee. Um we got Commissioner Carlson as the design delegate. Um I think he goes most of the time. Um how many want to be alternate
there? So which one? Jail sub. >> Yeah, the design and operations. If not, I will do it. >> Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and put me down for that. >> That's got to be getting close to >> Yeah, I would think that's not going to
be much anyway. So, um, law library board delegate is Commissioner Gould. Nobody for alternate there. I think you're the alternate on one of the other libraries boards, Commissioner Winger. >> Yeah, that's fine. Uh, how about Yeah, there the Northern
Lights Library Board does the same scenario. Um, Commissioner Gold's a delegate and we don't have an alternate. >> What is that one? >> I don't even know. >> That's the uh regionwide library. So, like KLS and the other regional systems
belong to that. This is the northwest quadrant of the state. >> Oh, yes. >> Um, they meet quarterly, usually over Zoom or in Morehead. Um, I'm trying to think. I think it's a similar situation
that John was saying. Um, so I don't think we'd be able to do an alternate. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, no alternate. >> Yeah. Um, one watershed, one plan for both Red Lake and Thief River Falls. Commissioner Sumner is the delegate for
both of those. Um, I'm the delegate for the Headwaters one and Commissioner Carlson's the alternate for that one. Um, Commissioner Sum have a thought on that as far as
alternates for for that or how often do they meet? in the past with the thief river falls uh Wally Bicklum was the alternate or he was on the policy committee and
>> from the solid waste the SWCD board probably but for the commissioner wise >> if you weren't able to or how often do you guys meet is like once a year? >> Uh we meet usually quarterly. >> Oh you do? >> Yeah. Yeah. or the Tape River. Uh, Red
Lake. Uh, maybe twice a year. I guess I would probably, you know, if somebody wants to be an alternate for Thief River. Uh, leave it up to the board, but I um
always attend the Red Lake being that I'm the chair of that committee. >> And I'm the chair of the headarters one and stuff. Do you want you want me to just be the alternate? You can let me know if you're not going to make it. I It's not very many meetings, so I'll I'll just put since I'm familiar with
the headquarters one, I'll I'll be the alternate for both of those. >> There you go. >> Planning Commission. I'm the delegate to that. >> Tim, you should be the alternate for that. >> All the same kind of thing.
>> Um Oh, I missed that one. Sorry. Thank you, Commissioner Carlson. I didn't highlight that one. Opioid Settlement Committee Commissioner uh Sumar is a delegate and we don't have an alternate for that one. I didn't highlight that one. You want to be the alternate for that
one. >> I can I was on it before as well. So, >> first meeting is Monday morning, Monday afternoon. >> Is there Yeah, the Mondays, right? Yeah, >> Mondays are more flexible for me. >> Okay. So put uh on the opioid settlement
committee will put down uh district two. Commissioner Gold will be the alternate there and the planning commission. Um I'm the delegate. We >> sponsor. >> There you go.
>> Okay. Commissioner Carlson be the alternate on that. And the last one that I had highlighted was this shack, the state committee health services advisory committee. Um, Commissioner Gould is the delegate and we don't have an alternate
that >> I'm not sure that allows for an alternate. I think that just has to be uh me and Amy are both on that and we always >> I thought Amy was the >> or she is alternate. I think so. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Helen's technically alternate, I guess. >> Well, that's solved that. >> Okay. Good deal. That should be it done. >> You got all that, Dan? Yep. All right. >> Were we adding that other one on there?
>> It's already on there. Yeah. The hand club we added. We got >> ADHD on that one. >> Got it. All right. So, we're done with that. Very good. All right. Move on. Uh
budget discussion >> on track. >> Yeah. >> 2021 budget. We got to decide basically Tom, right? We're going to look at what we want for >> Yes, sir. A couple things I wanted to talk with the board about in regards to
uh the upcoming budget. That'll be the fiscal year 27 budget. Um we are in the very beginning stages of thinking about budget and starting to pull internal information and things like that together. Uh as you know the
concerns that we faced last year regarding the state's contraction of um funding uh additional mandates uh cost shifts and those sorts of things continues. Uh we are hopeful that we may find some relief this year through the legislative process. As you know, our
platform uh does involve uh an approach that uh helps to inform, educate, and hopefully thwart some of that. Uh at the same time, uh you know, we do need to start planning for the next budget process. So, what we were thinking is a
couple things. We we do we don't have the calendar yet together. Uh we'll we'll probably be putting that together in the next month or two. Uh but we did want to get you thinking around the budget uh and and maybe request a couple things. First of all, um request that
you uh be thinking about who would like to serve on the budget committee for this next year. Uh that would be helpful to know. Uh the no decision needs to be made tonight. Uh but you know, the sooner you can make that that the better. Uh and additionally uh we'd also uh I talked with the staff the the
management team and we reviewed last year's uh budget principles and priorities that helped guide development of the fiscal year 26 budget. Uh and I just asked you know do did you think this was useful? Should we should we try to have a similar set of principles and
priorities as we approach the next next budget? Um and the the management team uh all agreed to do that and agreed that there really didn't have any changes to the existing document that we had we had developed last year. So uh we'd like to
operate with uh that document or something similar. Uh it's the board's principles and priorities. So whatever you want it to be, you know, you can make it you can make it. Uh but we just included last year's uh principles and priorities so you kind of knew what they were. Uh and then I updated a couple of
the figures in the introductory paragraph of that uh should you decide that you want to adopt this. Um it provides just a little bit more context in regard to kind of what we're facing and and why we need to operate at the very beginning with guidance uh for the
budget committee. Uh I think you know the days of having the budget committee kind of just put a budget together they thought was in their best interest you know uh becoming more challenging as we are having to face pretty significant um you know political decisions. And so
I just want the budget committee to have a broader direction uh from the the full board on on its work as we as we proceed through the development stages of the budget. Uh so so that's kind of what that that's for as well. None there's no decisions that need to be made tonight.
However, um you know, assuming that you are okay with this, I do have on the consent agenda uh the budget principles and priorities document. I apologize the title reads FY26 budget principles and and priorities. That should have been changed to FY26.
As I mentioned, it is the same document, but we should reflect that uh it's to be applied to this next fiscal year. Um, and so, uh, you know, we're not necessarily ready for you to to sort of tell us as a board what you'd like us to
have as a target for, say, a maximum property tax increase or adjustment. Uh, we don't necessarily need that information. I I'd almost say that it's premature at this point in time because we we don't really have a sense till we get through maybe another month of the legislative process on kind of what
we're going to be facing. So, why put a target out there when it may not need to be put out there or or it might be wrong. Um, but the other two things, the budget principles and priorities document and, you know, thinking about who wants to be on the budget committee would be two things that we could begin
discussions on. So, with that, I'll just turn it over to you and let us know how you like to proceed. I don't see I don't see any changes necessary on other than the FY27 on the budget
principles and priorities draft that are not >> uh Mr. Chair I I would like to uh remove the uh 7E the budget principles and priorities. Um, if I if I just heard uh
administrator Barry say that it it it wasn't quite ready, but I would be hopeful I'm hopeful that as as the board that we can have some input on the budget principles and priorities
prior to it being passed. the other. >> Yes. >> Well, I would like to review it >> more than what we already >> That' be great. other discussion
>> that's moving 70 to the regular. >> Okay. >> Well, and you do have time in the work session now for discussion or conversation. I mean, >> but you don't you want you want even
agenda tonight? >> No. So now move it from you're want it then. >> Oh good. >> Yeah, we could do that. >> Okay. >> No. And that'll give we'll just put it all back on the agenda for the next
time. >> But uh if you could give some thought as to who might want to serve on the budget committee also. >> I do have that. >> Yeah. You want me to just put that in the next documentation or would you like me to put it or share it with you now?
Um, you know, traditionally you don't usually have people on the budget committee that are election in that same year. >> Yeah, I've got it dated back to FYI 2020. I could just stick that in uh in an email or whatever if you'd like.
Sure. >> It's probably the best time for them to be on it. Okay. Administrator updates then. >> Okay. Um, thank you, Mr. Chair. No, just a couple updates for you. Uh, we'll start
on the jail project. Things continue to go very well at the jail site. I just love saying that every time we get to talk about that. Um, the administration area. um uh in the east side is getting into the finishing stages. In fact, if
you go over there, there's paint on the walls now. Uh so, it's progressing pretty nicely. Uh it's pretty interesting. Uh drywall workers finished sanding. Um and as I said, paint is already going on. Uh door frames and walls and that sort of thing. Uh concrete crews are all caught up with
the tier walkway pores and they'll be they're going to be pulling out for a little while here uh until we get the last couple of panels up. Uh I think we have about six panels left. Four of those should be going in to close up the building. We'll keep two open just for accessibility of equipment and those sorts of things, but as we do that,
we'll have more walkways and that sort of thing that do need to get poured. Uh so they'll be coming back as we we finish up those particular areas as well. Um iron workers are doing those walkway steel uh stairs um once those panels are going to be set and the
masons should finish up all the block work in the seconds story areas of the south side of the building next week. uh mechanical trades are just kind of chasing the work as they go and continuing to put um plumbing and mechanical um piping, duck work, those sorts of stuff um into the facility. The
plumbers are testing uh those lines that have already been installed. The electricians continue with the pipe with um pulling wire and working on the fire alarm and communication systems. We've been able to sustain about 80 folks still at the jail over the last couple
weeks. So, um it's still a busy place. Uh just quickly I wanted to just talk to you a little bit about County Road 20, the Birchmont Beach Road. As you know, that project is one we've been working on for for years essentially with the plan to, you know, rebuild, reconstruct that road and also add an extension of
the trail uh at least along the whole north end of the the lake where this road would go. We're frustrated by some of the state um permit and review processes and timelines uh which is now beginning to compromise the project a
little bit. Uh as you know we are trying to partner with the northern township project, the the sewer installation project and uh and they're also experiencing similar similar concerns. So, we've been meeting with them and talking behind the scenes about, you know, how to continue to coordinate the
two projects but not impact uh the county's project because, as you know, we're under a timeline uh that puts at risk about a million half dollars of of funding uh and grant funding for the project. So, we're in conversations with Northern about how to do that. Um there
may be some documentation uh that needs to be approved by the board and their township going forward. uh we'll be looking at that over the next couple weeks, but I just wanted you to know that we are aware and still working towards trying to complete that project collaboratively. Um and there are also
some discussions about maybe um a smaller footprint that might be needed on the facility uh that the county was going to on the property the county was going to sell. um township is in discussions uh about that right now and uh that may offer some additional
opportunities um for our region, the county and the township as well. So, we're kind of monitoring that and are continuing in conversation around those uh those uh um developments. Uh lastly, on the legislative front,
it's um it's been very very very crazy. Um, of course, part of that is because we have a lot of bills that have been introduced. Um, and a lot of them were stuck in the revisor's office for a very long time. Uh, and then got dislodged,
you know, in in big waves. Uh, part of it is we have a very compressed um, legislative session this year. Uh, started late and, uh, it's a little bit shorter. So, uh, and the other thing is, you know, we have a a a contentious
legislative session, uh, just in general. I think there's, uh, things that normally would get passed that are now getting just kind of beaten up, um, because of that. So uh as you know also our legislative platform included 11
different items that uh we are actively pursuing and then of course we have to respond to a number of things that come our way that we weren't planning for. And so it's keeping the staff um you know and myself very busy. I think you know last couple of weeks have been extraordinarily busy as hearings have
now been scheduled uh that'll start really kind of in full force uh you know this week and continuing on for the next several weeks. Uh so there's been a lot of time that's been put together in reviewing and amending legislation, writing testimony, coordinating
speakers, uh providing technical assistance and so on. I'll have a meeting tonight as an example at 6:00, a Zoom meeting with the mayor and uh Representative Duran and others to talk about some testimony that we've got on a hearing tomorrow for example. So, this this just kind of drags on and goes in
all hours of the day and night. Uh which is just kind of how the legislative process works. But I just want to let you know that we are keeping on track of that. It's it has been very very helpful to have our legislative lobbyist. I can't tell you what this would look like
without that assistance. Uh, so I just want to put a plug in mid session to let you know just how important that is. Um, because it it can be all consuming. This stuff can just run your day. Um, and so it's nice to have somebody to kind of run interference and set meetings and
set issues and uh, you know, and run additional work that needs to be done. So, um, so with that, I'll that's all I have for you this afternoon, but I'll turn it over to you if you have any questions. >> Mr. here. >> Tom, what bills up tomorrow morning that you're talking about tonight?
>> Well, the the two bills that are going up tomorrow, they're in the afternoon and I'll get you the Senate and the Oh, my computer blocked out. >> Is it for the uh last 25%? Uh >> yeah, that's what they I was going to get you the numbers, but the if you don't want the t the numbers, the titles
are essentially uh or the the subject is one of them is the 25% reimbursement of the state uh disaster contingency fund is getting quite a bit of opposition right now. Uh so most of today uh we've been kind of trying to run counter to that. That's why we got this meeting tonight. Um
>> who's that coming from? >> The state emergency management office. The director just put out a uh a letter that opposed the bill. So, um, so anyway, we're kind of dealing with that at the moment. And then we also have the economic, uh, disadvantaged or, um, um,
you know, cost shift, uh, bill that's coming up tomorrow afternoon as well. Actually, both hearings are at the same time. So, we're kind of dancing around like, you know, stepping into one and stepping out of the other. Um, which is easy to do when you have Zoom. So, that's that's going to be a little bit easier for us. But
>> they're in the House and the Senate tomorrow or just the House or >> uh I believe is one is in the Senate and I think one is in the House if I'm not mistaken. I could I could pull it up and look for you quickly. >> Yeah, you could. I'd like to check it out if I can. >> Yeah, >> it almost has to be if they're at the
same time. >> Not necessarily. >> Could be two different committees, right? >> I don't know if it has two or three committee stops or just one. >> Okay. So, it's the Senate Human Services.
That's going to be the one for the economic uh disadvantaged county cost shift bill. If you want those numbers, I can get them for you as well. And then uh the public safety committee uh will be for the House
um and that will be uh see that will be addressing the uh DACA 25% reimbursement. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> And then next week is the appraisal one and then a couple others are coming up after that as well.
>> And you're zooming in to testify. >> I am. Yeah. >> Thank you. Good luck. >> Yeah, you bet. We'll see how it goes. I mean, you don't get a lot of time and they're trying to because everything's compressed, right? They're now shortening the amount of time they want
to give people to testify, too. So when you debate like is it worth kind of driving all the way down there for maybe 90 seconds of testimony is that worth right >> the county dollar to do it sort of depends okay yeah if you can get meetings with others and work the issue behind the scenes and do all that then
yeah then there's a benefit but if it's just simply to testify and they they allow this hybrid option and you have to do several all kind of in a compressed time frame it it does make a little bit more sense and it's it's at least nice that we have that option to be able to do that. Um, so yeah, that's um that's
what I have. Okay. Anything else there? Any other questions for Tom? All right. What do we got on the agenda? Anything coming off
other There is a >> Mr. Chair, there's I I think um item eight on the regular agenda. I I I think that's premature. I don't think that we actually even have a list because I asked for a list and there wasn't one. And so I don't know. Do you want to
address that, Tom? Is that >> Yeah, thank you, Commissioner Carlson. So, uh this is an item that we just got a little bit too excited about. Um this item was not supposed to be placed on this agenda. It was actually supposed to be placed on the next agenda. uh but
we're so efficient in the office that we just want to get things taken care of and so we put it on this uh without that information and realized that that was done in error. So I I think if we could ask you to just table that subject, either remove it from the agenda al together or table it to the next
meeting, both of those actions would be just fine. Uh and then we'll have all the information pulled together uh and set for the meeting that it was intended to be scheduled for >> right now to just pull it from the agenda. Would that work?
>> Oh, two meetings, I guess. May 5th uh meeting if Yeah, you can either just pull it uh in its entirety and then we'll just put it back on the agenda later. But >> we're pulling item and item B from the regular agenda. >> Yeah,
>> that would be very easy for sure. >> We will do that then. Those are gone. All right. >> Anything else? No. Let's take a break.