ready yes sir okay call to order the uh Bon County Board of commissioner meeting July 2nd we'll start with pledge allegiance IED aliance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and jce all right roll call sure commissioner schlong here commissioner Heinen here commissioner ginsky here commissioner Johnson here commissioner pop here okay approve or amend the agenda
Monty do we got anything Mr chair uh Steve Stang IT director would like to add uh the county phone services contract if you could please add that before excuse me right after cons okay and then Chris bird County engineer
would like to update excuse me add an update on County Road projects he ask if you could add that right before commissioner meeting updates and that's all we have okay move for approval Mr chair second okay we got a motion for agenda
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a motion for consent consent agenda items 1 through five all in favor I oppose same sign motion carries all right phone system morning commission morning morning uh before you I have a a
contract renewal for our phone service provider um so this is the services that provide our public numbers basically our dial tone outside of our systems here on premise um the current contract with our current vendor has ended and in
reviewing the contract and some other vendors um we're looking to move our services from copper based which is how we're all of our phone lines are brought in today to fiber uh technology and and with that change uh we'll bring some
cost savings to the county on our phone systems and get us uh uh up and running on newer technology on the outside this uh these changes were were made possible by some additions of fiber uh into our buildings and some redundancy uh in our mid or our state of
Minnesota internet so it was time to make the change um and still be redundant we re we reviewed our current vendor uh which is zo uh which is currently buying out all Street and then we also reviewed midco as another Prov potential provider um after
consideration cost uh midco I'm recommending that we uh move forward and switch our services over to midco uh they have fiber in both of our locations in the Sheriff's Office where one of our phone controllers is as well as here they have extra strands they can build a redundant circuit for us um when you
move from copper to fber you're relying on whatever is in your building and and currently we have copper in both buildings but now we have Fiverr but Mid Coast the carrier that has it has both of them um so there's a little bit of a lift there but the good news is uh that it'll save money uh monthly for the
county and uh the reason bit for a bit of urgency here is to get it signed is uh the the our costs are going to continue to go up until we're off of copper so I wanted to use this time to get a jump on this and get moving on it so that's why we had the late ad I just got this contract in last night so Mr
chair okay a couple questions Steve um the seven the the threeyear contract is that a flat is that fixed for three years or it escalate do we know the base costs are fixed so like the PRI costs all the channels all the things they're delivering are fixed the things that
will fluctuate is you know like some search charges Telco fees some junk fees basically that are thrown in there um and then U our long distance so we have packages on each of the pris that give us a certain amount of numbers doing the research we're well within the numbers that they're quoted so I don't
anticipate any any major fluctuations but it does move a little bit here and there depending on what we're using and then you talked about the price actually going down do you know what we're paying now uh currently our monthly bills are somewhere around 34 to 3600 for our
three pris in half yeah so it cuts it down considerably wow um tomorrow yeah so that's a little bit of the reason for the urgency here is we want we want to take advantage now that to approve Mr chair uh so so to further
answer your question uh commissioner Johnson so there could be some move here we've got some final details to work out that we still will have a few regular copper lines directly connected over at the Sheriff's Office and I've been um but those are separate we're keeping
those with the old vendor until the 911 switch over because some of those lines are tied into the 911 system so we're kind of juggling two things here and we're going live with that on the 10th of July so our goal will be to uh cut those over to midco after we figure out
which ones we can disconnect permanently and then we'll bring the rest of the copper lines over to the midco services so uh those costs will will come back in but it won't be significant so it'll be bundled in with this so this is the main PRI there will be some costs additionally but it's not going to be
anywhere near of the the cost we're pay does this affect the highway department at all yeah uh this is the these are all the numbers for everybody every one of our buildings the way it works is every building is connected to us with fiber and we have the phone controllers here in this building and one in the sheriff's department so all of our phone
calls in and out even up there go through our buildings here okay so these are these are the public side of our our service we take care of everything behind our our firewall M they provide the dial tone it's basically how that and the long distance carriers kind of phone system do you
have we're running a myel p okay yeah in the future the reason a three-year agreement is we we get some savings there um and in our 5year Outlook we can be pretty sure we're going to have our current system will be supported um going forward at least
three years and then eventually we'll be looking at moving to more digitized phone system so the on-prem lifting all the hardware in and out and putting another on-prem phone system in here probably won't happen we'll probably be doing some sort of hosted solution with like a Microsoft or a call Tower or
something where you you go to mostly soft phones on your on your computers um you can still put desk phones out that's totally fine but it gives uh us some savings on Hardware there too so Mr chair would any of that be tied in with a potential move to a new
building not directly uh no I mean it could if we if we were able to time it correctly rather no I was thinking we could put new handsets in the new building and then we could just walk and move over but it really at least at first thought
shouldn't make too big of a difference we can do it's agnostic to we be in a spot where we if we build a new building we're going to have this Hardware that we wish we wouldn't have bought NOP nothing like that no we're we're totally flexible and this Hardware is more for incoming service yeah okay yeah this
isn't we're not doing anything with the current phone system it's just the service connecting that yes so yeah and I should make that distinction a little more clear thank you uh commissioner giny uh this is our on- Prem Hardware that will eventually go away but the the services we're talking about in this
contract is just delivering the dial tone to those okay perfect and just for reference if we started the new building moving forward today we're we're two years out from move in so I mean we're only a year left on this one and this is just the incoming service so okay thank
you for the questions Mr chair with that information I will move for approval and have the chair on the attached service order for midco for incoming phone service I'll second that okay we got a motion in a second I'll call the question all in favor I oppose same sign
motion carries thank you thanks Steve thank you Steve Monty dress code policy looks are we all going to suits are we all going that way I I came from a place that I didn't have a tie so
apologize okay so why is this on your agenda today um basically um the the topic came up in in our management team um a lot of it from Human Services too I believe
where there was a desire to I think have more discretion at the department level for appropriate attire um as you may have seen in the in the your your board packet the current policy is very prescriptive it's very
detailed uh and I think departments are saying look you know the environment of departments is so different so if example picture Highway Department you know the work that they do versus let's just say auditor treasure where there's more public interaction every Department
really is so different and I think over time it's shown us that this dress code policy just doesn't work it just doesn't work and really departments need to have the discretion to design their own dress code policies that work within their departments I think also too uh Mr chair
it's the message of saying to departments okay we trust you to exercise good judgment about what the the dress code should be in your departments so uh the manager team then discussed what's in your packet here today anything that's new isn't
underline that's basically the first page on copied On The Backs side of the agenda and all the old stuff has a strike through so what the policy tends to do is establish sort of a a a baseline of a few uh essential Concepts
that we'd like to see in every policy and I can cover just a few of those if you do have substantial face face interaction you should have business casual uh department heads could could wave that requirement on special days I know for example for a long time here in
the Ministry Office we do jeans on Friday um in no instance should your attire have offensive words or images um and you must have adequate body coverage appropriate for a professional workplace why did he look
at you commissioner Johnson yeah why did you look at me Monte um consistent Footwear so in other words if you're wearing a suit you probably shouldn't have tennis shoes on stuff like that and if you're working in the field it's good to have County logos
so you're identified I I had notic in those I remember was last week um a person from the assessor office was going to go out in the field to do some you know assessing work in the field and I was so pleased to see that they had a vest on which said you know Benton
County on the back and the logo on the front and their ID because it's you know if you're just walk around someone's house and you're wearing plain clothes they don't know who you are so that was really I was very pleased to see the person was clearly identified as a
County employee that's a safety issue sure so uh The Next Step again if if you're inclined to adopt this as departments then could adopt their own unique dress Cod policies that comply with the overall policy but again reflecting those special conditions and
in those departments and this was again endorsed by the management team Mr chair so Monty going back to the vest so does that mean the highway department has to have Von County on their vest I think I don't know what they have now we don't
currently we don't have any loc yeah right yeah right yeah well I guess it's something they can decide and work on if they need to have identification on their so Chris we don't Supply them with like a a work shirt that says beton
County uh yeah so we provide safety vests for them yeah and they're just generic we just buy ancc Class 2 vests they don't have a logo or anything on them and then then per their Union contract they get a safety clothing allowance the beginning of every year uh
and that's just given to them directly some amount of money um and but there's very little restrictions on that so A lot of times though they'll buy a winter coat that's that's reflective but once again we don't stipulate where they buy that or if it has to have a logo you
think about Highway obvious you know they're they're working on the road site as a crew they're readily identify as an employee but the example I gave you was an assessor person going out by themselves to you know inspect properties a little different there not readily
identified necessarily as a County employee so right and all of our equipment is identified it's almost by definition they're Highway crew right yeah that's true and they're not going up to someone's house knocking on the door to do an inspection right
yeah okay what would the board wish something to think about Chris yeah Mr chair I'll move to adopt the regions of the County Personnel policies chapter 21 with a new dress code policy is recommended by the management team I'll second
that we got a motion in a second uh I'll call the question all in favor I oppose same sign motion carries okay review County Board policy or uh there's nothing in your packet Mr I'm sorry I did not have this prepared
in time for the board packet so I have it up on the screen for you and I thought might here we are July 2nd might be time for a quick review of of the board's goal discussion from January so what I have up here in bullet points is
the topics that were discussed and then if there is any consensus from the board and then what is the status of that issue so no particular order uh the board talked about arpa funds and if if I recall at the time there was the emphasis on putting those resources towards single family lots uh
potentially for housing projects the status well we've got agreements now in place with sck Rapids Sartell Foley rice and Gilman uh for various projects and I know you're going to have some discussion soon about the remaining balance of arpa funds and potentially
some for the city of St Cloud for their apartment Renovations so that's kind of where that one's at emergency manager organizational structure the board wanted to move emergency manager back under the board and that has of course occurred that happened January 6th on employee engagement uh the board
said the time hey we support what you're doing regarding Employee Engagement working with employee strategies so if you may have seen the email I sent out our uh our first leadership cohort of 17 supervisors will begin their training on August 7th uh it's going to be three
half day sessions with Andy ziming from employee strategies commission S I believe you had a question about that this training is for our supervisors yeah yeah thank you for your question uh and the culture team will also kick off that same day in the afternoon uh we're still assembl Ling the roster for our
culture team I've got quite a large number of volunteers so that's a good sign uh the benefits advisor committee is working on benefits recommendations for you all hopefully some you'll see something this summer we we rewrote the remote work policy uh we're calling it now telea
work so I just as a recap uh as a result of Employee Engagement project we decided to focus on four areas leadership training culture team uh benefits and the telework policy so those the big four that we've been focusing on so again the it's good to
see this this training and culture team will kick off here again August 7th so hopeful that produces some great results next jail Staffing the board want to talk about you know inmate populations are down uh
where was that going but you met with Sheriff hacken committee the whole in February 6th and you heard a presentation on issues associated with closing the jail and there was a consensus to raise the boarding fee and that has since been done I believe was in the
$50 range and now it was increased to 80 in March so that was one outcome from that discussion on jail Staffing next on comp time overtime uh the board said it want monthly reports on overtime worked and balances and we we needed to stress that
OT and comp time must be pre-approved so you may recall we brought all the departments in March 5th to explain how they approve comp time I think that was a good exercise to bring those folks in you heard kind of unique circumstances in each department of what's going on with overtime and comp time we gave you
this ginormous stack of paper uh which didn't prove very workable so uh uh Brent our very talented applications data services manager has been working on reports he takes this data out of payment and we're going to try and
create more useful reports for you all uh from that mass amount of jumble data that comes out of paymate um so we'll do our best as we've noted it's a very Antiquated system the reporting capabilities are very limited they're they're very limited so he's he takes
all that data and uses his powerbi system to produce better reports so we'll at some point we're going to start giving you those the other other area of topic was Government Center project the board wanted to have some employee forums and you did that uh back in February we had four
uh sessions you brought in GLT and cegr I think those went well had those employee sessions so that that objective was fulfilled um you talked about all the committies of the whole employee forms that we that we do have uh you decided
to keep having employee forums uh Human Services cows if needed uh and you also want to try and schedule cows on the off Tuesday I'm not sure we've been completely successful there but we're trying one one thing that was brought up was there was I I heard there was a
desire amongst the board to have an occasional interaction with the Sheriff's Office county attorney audit of treasur and and we haven't done that yet so I guess that's an area where I guess some followup is need on my part and some thoughts from you all is you
know do you want to have some some opportunities for more interaction especially you know with the the criminal justice law enforcement side of the road so we have not done those yet and the last thing was the board decided to keep the way we do
employee recognition for years of service where you all kind of go around and and you meet with folks in their departments so um no changes there so Mr chair those were the the topics the board discussed during goal session back in
January I believe I covered all the points I wanted to any thoughts questions Mr chair coms I think back in regards to your comment the other elected officials my thinking was maybe and I'm just throwing this out there quarterly a f minute update at our board
meeting and then from there we may need to establish a cow instead of establishing cows with them that we may not need sure that Mak sense and I don't knowly is the right number I just throw that out there but yeah we see the sheriff now and then you know right
really see the county talk to treasure when needed but yeah it'd be kind of nice for just some updates from there I hear you okay well I will send that message to those folks and and see if I can help send reminders on that just to uh piggyback off of what commissioner Johnson said uh my idea of of it would
be you know it they hear a lot of things that are going on in the county and it would be good to get all of elected officials together in a cow just to brainstorm on what we could all be doing better you know maybe it's maybe it's not one thing maybe they're hearing
something that's going on over here and it's obviously nice for all parties not to be surprised exactly I don't think it's something that we got to have 3 hours of talk about it's come together for 45 minutes an hour and just you know make sure everything's all on the up and
up and everybody's kind of pulling the Rope versus pushing it sure Mr chair I agree it's better off to get ahead of the situations that are coming forth versus having them come in immediately and see we got a crisis now we'd like to know ahead of time what's happening now
there's a knee-jerk reaction correct yeah yeah like the uh six potential added positions exactly that's just I was thinking right as I went back to my jaill Staffing Bo right you're going to hear about that I believe after your next board meeting
where Sheriff heck and I believe Charlene will be here to discuss the the doc licensing issue right yeah so that's it just kind of a quick review of goals at midpoint of the
Year okay I think it's uh very I we've covered a lot of things on our goals already yep yeah a lot of things in a lot of things in the works too okay okay perfect you good Monty I'm good if
you are then we'll move on to Chris tell me he's got seven right yeah good morning Commissioners you got six minutes 38 seconds just kidding all right I can go pretty quickly he's going for the record at 9:30 this morning
and that was nudged by commissioner Johnson well we do have ditch meeting so that'll blow that record out so um well thank you for adding me to the agenda I did feel like it was important to provide an update on our construction projects start off with some good news we got our Casas 7 reconstruction
project advertised as of yesterday so we're out for bids right now uh we don't have our core of engineer permit just yet but we did get receive we did receive approval to advertise so we have a bid opening uh July
26th uh we'll be bringing those bids as soon as we can to the next board meeting to you um and then hopefully get some work done now that we're so late in the year we know that we're not going to get all of it reconstructed so we wrote Into the bidding specs uh that anything that
the contractor opens up they have to get at least 6 Ines of gravel uh before November 1st this year so we have a a driving surface over the winter we know we're not going to have Paving done this this fall we also put limitations on there that they can't open up more than
three miles of the F mile project so we're kind of putting it in the bidder's hands what do they think that they can accomplish but anything that they rip pavement off we want it graded and gravel base on it before the winter but in no case we don't want them ripping up the whole length of the project so um as
far as the core Engineers permit status they've received everything that they have their processed because we're getting an individual permit it's out for a 14-day comment period right now so barring any comments back from public or interested groups uh we foresee we
should have that permit in hand uh by the time we open bids so and don't foresee any like additional requirements on contractors or anything like like that so uh good news we're we're happy to finally be here we meet all of our federal requirements for the federal fiscal year we got authorization for
those funds in the 2024 State uh fiscal year which ended uh June 30th so we meet all those requirements and let's just hope and pray for good good bid numbers uh later this month Mr chair I was just going to ask you Chris what's Your Gut tell you about the B environment out
there uh it's mixed uh it seems like the contractors have got work got a lot of work uh but then there's a lot of contractors that didn't pick up hardly any work uh so we do know some local contractors knew that this project was coming and have held off on uh picking
up other work cuz they wanted to work close to home so uh we're hoping that that works in our favor um the big thing will be next spring what oil prices by letting it now um hopefully those Paving Contractors will know our Paving
quantities that will be paved in 2025 they can lock in some commodity prices still yet this fall and then hopefully we avoid any inflationary costs of oil over the winter and next spring but um if for some reason next spring oil prices crash then maybe we won't look so
smart but um I don't know we we'll we'll just see so I do know there's contractors in our area that are still looking for work and and hopefully we can get them some work this this fall and that works to our favor
okay all right so that's CA 7 uh Casa 29 we're still working with uh Excel Energy on their utility conflicts the since we've last spoke about they did provide some additional uh options uh for us so
we do have two more options that we are evaluating um with with lower costs um these costs are basically they're using wooden poles um kind of in the same location as the
existing ones but they do require additional guy wires and those kinds of things so one proposal uh this proposal two once again cuts it diagonally avoids this conflict in in the
corner um wooden poles what they call lamb poles which is a bunch of wooden planks laminated together uh this proposal is about $800,000 so a little bit less than than what we were seeing at 9:35 we are
evaluating if I can zoom in a little bit this view shows their guy wires coming off of them those don't exist today on these poles so these extend farther than what this picture allows I mean these are 50 to 75 ft out laterally from the base of
the pole and then they go into the ground into some ground anchors so now we're evaluating are those guy anchors going to be in conflict with the underground storm sewer or any of the other utilities that are underground at that location and then there is a proposal
three which is moving purole that's at the corner just farther north this this has some additional conflicts though that is $783,000 so uh $177,000 less than the the second proposal uh but we still may have some
conflicts here with this this poll so we're evaluating that with our consultant um um yeah we're kind of going back and forth we did send them a check for the engineering the $134,000 that was in that scoping estimate um so they should
have the impetus to continue moving forward on their design they're still looking for direction from us on which way to go that's that's kind of atypical for us on road construction projects what happens most of the time is we'll come up with a road design and we'll identify
conflicts or even just potential conflicts and we will send those to the uity owner and say utility owner here's where our conflicts are we want you to relocate and and then leave that up to them to to come up with the their best design to avoid those conflicts this is
a little bit unique because now they're throwing it back at us and say okay you tell us how to design this to avoid your conflicts which as you can imagine that accepts some liability and ownership if things go wrong so that's where we're
trying to tread lightly cover all of our bases cross all of our te's not all of our eyes so if we tell them okay boom we want you to follow this this design and then we still have issues later we know that that's going to come back on us and say you know excel's just going to say well you told us how to design it that
way so we're proceeding with caution I think it is optimistic I mean or hopeful and and good that we did see some lower costs now to combat those costs uh I still been working with Amanda oout at the be and just last week she has
identified another Grant opportunity that she believes and with her contacts uh we would be a good candidate for this is through the Department of Employment and economic development deed they have identified an energy transition Grant um
I was not aware of this but there was an electrical generating plant that owned by Excel that was decommissioned in 2019 in Benton County within the city limits of St Cloud so kind of behind Waste Management uh Kramer storage has back
there there was a peak generating plant in there that was decommissioned in 2019 and because that decommissioning occurred that makes us eligible for this grant uh Grant proceeds are up to $1 million and so we plan on asking for a
million dollars for our project so I'm I'm providing some working on that providing some language and uh construction costs and estimates to Amanda uh to apply for it since that that plant did exist within the city limits of St Cloud
we do need to go to the city of St Cloud to get a resolution of support from them and that's where nothing's a slam dunk because uh Amanda knows she's been talking to some folks that she knows at the city of St Cloud they had another
project that they were hoping to use or apply for this grant for as well so we don't know if there's a limit to you know per region or per City how many times you can receive this grant um just what we've heard through deed
through Amanda that our project sounded like the exact kind of project that they they would like to to fund with this this grant they want to see it going towards towards infrastructure the city of St Cloud isn't Shel ready either correct that's the big thing we're ready to go next year and we're hoping that
that you know is in our favor that you give us the money we're going to put it to work do we need their resolution we need their resolution resolution but according to the grant document ments since it's in the city limits St Cloud we need a resolution from St Cloud don't necessarily need a resolution from the
county board but need one from the city of St Cloud so we're planning on going uh to a St you know uh council meeting either in July or the first one in August and asking for that that resolution so Manda was going to get us some information she thought that the
grant would be ready or the resolution would be ready to go in front of St Cloud before our next APO meeting so then I can have mayor kly and and and uh Jake Anderson there and propose it to them guys
first Mr chair Chris can you explain to me why all of a sudden they are willing to put in wooden polls versus the first concept they were not going to be wooden poles well I think our first discussions were kind of
that approach is like you're in Conflict get him out of our way and so their first reaction was okay to eliminate this poll we need to put I mean without doing much analysis their first reaction was steel poles on
concrete foundations that's the most clear and and things that you know from their standpoint I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here that's the way that they could assure that they're going to be clear of any potential conflicts so now that we've kind of pushed back and said okay let's explore
some other options some lower cost options there's still um potential for some conflicts and things still need to be moved and shifted on our side and their side uh they're willing to maybe come and compromise a little bit
so one thing maybe to our benefit though that that maybe these makes materials more readily available um less design intensive so some you know if they don't use that full 134,000 of engineering it can go towards the construction of materials costs so
um I I don't know the exact answer commissioner I'm just speculating that that may be why their first reaction was just to get the most clear and most out of the way was boom Steel on concrete that's the most expensive option so
so on that project though yeah what's your theory commissioner my theory is is they got they usually don't get push back and they got a lot of push back on this one and I still think 700,000 and 134 ,000 for engineering is a lot of money
MH now they're going to wooden poles and they decreased it by 100 Grand minimum yeah so the first The Proposal number two was $800,000 so that's that's about 135,000 less than what we first
heard and then this third proposal you know 700 uh 87,000 or 783 th000 uh a little bit less yet [Music] but yeah um yeah I when how far are we
planning on going with the four lane for um con Road one it ends at 29 there yeah so the four Lane section that was identified in the May Lake Road study would end at this intersection so we're that's part of the you know issue in two we're making the
circle large enough to accommodate uh two lanes Northbound and two lanes southbound in in as it comes out of that roundabout Circle so so what when we construct it you'll see pavement width for two lanes but we're going to
stripe it day one of opening for only a single Lane roundabout so it doesn't confuse drivers and those kinds of things so I have another question too just thinking about
who who is it originally here and had the property and does the county are County Roads preceding electrical lines or like who's got the authority here and who what should the share be with the
authority is my question I think he's explained to us before explained that had the Excel had the easement before the county did yeah we got it on the roundabout on I I mean historically have our roads been here before or were did we have
power lines before we had roads it doesn't go by that commissioner it goes by who applies for the easements and who buys the property yeah and in this case Excel had it before the county did yeah on County Road 3 on that roundout we had
it before Excel did yeah maybe to to answer the question our road the road path the road surface probably existed before the transition transmission lines right but they put in transmission lines within months before
the county acquired additional width to to reconstruct that road and make it wider and then therefore um think think of easements and property ownership as like a cake you've got a title at the bottom and then sometimes you got easement stacked on top of each other
and whoever's at the bottom probably has the most Authority and the fact that Excel Energy in this location has an easement below our road easement that forces us to Bear the costs of relocating it if it was the other way around we had the easement
first and we either allowed them by permit or they tried to get an easement on top of our existing Public Road easement it would be entirely different conversation um but I don't know the facts exactly but I can imagine back this was 1981 is when these easements
were recorded these conversations were happening with land owners probably yeah Within months of each other or at the same time and Excel was just able probably even at that time it was you know NSP northern states power they probably had deeper pockets in the
county and that's how a lot of times they work they don't you don't hear a lot of NSP going to condemnation Court like a county or a state or even a city would they probably had the resources to throw change or money at the land owners
just to get the easement recorded where the county probably didn't have that and would have to go through the steps of condemnation um and that delays the process as well and even back then the the Eastman that were there we weren't even thinking about a four-lane highway going through there so their easement
were right in to where we want to build our four lane that's why 40 years ago so yeah it's not like this on on every project but something to be aware of like what are imminent domain rules who who's got the Authority for
the imminent domain yeah that's uh that is something we're actually having discussions um as well because this proposal would require additional easement uh overhead utility
easement on this this partiel so do we acquire that easement as additional Road you know Public Road easement and then allow them to be in
that by permit in our road easement Excel would want the they want the county to acquire easements for them and our attorney's office is saying no no if we acquire any easement it's it's in our name and it's our easement then we'll
let you buy permit correct or if they the other situation would be Excel they have real estate people that work for them they go out and acquire eement in excel's name across that that parcel
um yeah I I I when it comes to those kind of lines you probably are familiar with the capex project you know several years ago that went through the courts and I think case law kind of changed how things were done at that time so I I I don't even
know all those details but I think that's generally we are a condemning Authority and we we have the the right to condemn for our purposes not for other other purposes before we leave this project I
do just want to give you an update one of the things in our design that we're working on when we construct this we're going to completely we're going to have to completely shut down that intersection and we need to provide access to the residents in The Villages
of Creekside neighborhood so we're looking at building um I've been calling it a detour road but basically it's just an access road we we looked at uh three different options here excuse me and I think my preferred option is this this
option one what we would do is we would use an existing uh entrance or existing driveway that's already constructed and then anything you see in red would be new earthwork quantities um and then tie it into 305th Street which
is our future kind Road 29 at this location um try to split the difference between two houses so we don't have at night we don't have drivers and headlights shining right into bedroom windows and things like that when you compare it to the other two
options uh it does appear that if we want to think of red this probably has the least amount of new grading therefore the lowest costs we we anticipate um so we have a curve that we need to design in here we're probably going to be be at we're going to pave
this uh 22 ft wide of pavement so not as wide as a you know a County Highway which is a minimum of 24t driving Lanes probably go to 22 feet and build it understanding that it's going to be temporary um it's just going to be for a
summer of construction uh but this is going to require some discussions with the land owner and probably purchasing a temporary easement to build this um and build this this connection this new as we've talked about in the
past this new Cony 29 alignment shifts in this direction to the Northwest and moves away from these houses so this will this will come out eventually anyways as the new 29 is align kind of more up in this this area but since the
roundabout is going to occur first we provide access to those residents be able to get in and out and then a detour route will use Arkansas 1 to Arkansas 15 to 58 and then back down to Golden Spike
Road or C Saw 3 to back around so Mr is this stman entrance that's private right that is private yeah so you'll have to get his approval to yeah um fortunately for us uh several years ago I don't have a good image of that we did approve an
additional driveway entrance for him that's closer to his house to the east here and he has a direct connection onto 35th Street East of this location so it could be one of those things that his driveway is blocked here so we don't have vehicles going straight towards his
house we we block it off and forced them back down to 35th Street um for him though he will be also probably forced to use 35th Street to get to his his access into his home east of here Mr chair Chris in this particular situation
does do the does the pavement stay then when you're done um that part of the I think that'll be part of the the negotiation process if that helps sweeten the deal for him we can we can leave that um permanently for him so uh to this point that we you know that we
can struct it um sure and those are things that come out in negotiations you know some of things have happened in the past on another projects you know Paving driveways and stuff so we don't always like to to do that as part of our project we like to get to a dollar Mount we've run into too
many times when we try to construct as part of our project um having difficulty meeting their standards so uh sometimes if we can get to a dollar amount they agreed to then they can go hire their own contractor and and have it built to to their standards
so uh but yeah so that's something that we're working on and once again that it may you know be heard that this is kind of an expensive roundabout but these are the kind of things that kind of lead to that that expense so but I did want to provide those
updates for 7 and 29 uh today um and that's that's all I had unless there was other question thank you Chris any questions thanks Chris all right okay thank you all right before we do the ditch author I think we'll go right into
meeting updates and stuff who would like to start okay give me a minute I can start if what okay I'll uh I I covered the be meeting that was the
main one um I just want to put a shout out to Amanda Pam and that whole be it is insane on what they're doing and the the projects they got in the works and looking for all these
grants uh you know a million dollars on a grant if we could somehow secure that is insane and it was nothing that I mean it was that's what they search for and these grants are so timec consuming and we got to be careful that we're not wearing
these people out because they uh they've got a lot on their plates um so I I'd agree and I'd add to that all the bre visits too I mean I've been in a handful of them already just here in this District let alone what else is going on yeah on the BR I think they're trying to catch up from what couldn't get done but
I'm just saying that's a lot there a lot yeah but it you know like the one I attended the one up by Royalton and all of a sudden now she created a meeting with the voltech school because this guy needs to train somebody and the voltech school is interested in training
Somebody To You Know do the emergency Cars Connection so there's another connection I mean sometimes we do the BR visit and that creates another meeting or another job for them and I mean and it ain't like like he brought it up it was Amanda that brought it up and we'll
check into it and maybe we can get this and 10 days later they're having a meeting it's her connections to the state on all these different opportunities is is invaluable it's it's insane everybody there's so many times
people people judge people by what they do and you know oh no business came in or something like that their extensions of their services to this County are are substantial on everything so I just they need a real shout out the whole Board
needs a real shout out out uh you guys are all doing a great job over there head we got some good good business people on there that really helps you know that's all I have obviously we had the cows and stuff but yep I had the cows and all that too of course and then
I just wanted to give a shout out to Victoria blanan for joining me at the WJ radio station that went very well good that went very well that's all I had okay I was on the AMC um tax
forture um update it would be interest I I think we should have uh something with rock sand because it's really complicated what they're doing and just get an update so you guys can understand it better or if you've
been involved with digging into what they're doing yeah but they they settled and they've got all different laws to follow now and for property is how the funds go it deals with mineral rights and everything
else okay Monty how how have we been on tax forfeiture we haven't had a huge you know that's interesting question uh We've not had an an auction of tax Forfeit of properties for years and uh I I think fortunately we
don't have a lot which is a good thing right because I can you know in 22 years I've been here almost I can recall two houses going into tax forfeiture uh so it's not common for us often times what happens it might be
like a an unbuildable outlaw goes tax for it because you can't do anything with it so just it goes tax forfeit so it's it's usual that what goes tax forfeit is usually very undesirable little paral little odd partials I think you know the issue of
concern you know that resulted in that legislation was a lot of the big Urban counties that have lots of houses going to tax forfeiture or potentially large tracks of forest land up north going tax forfeiture it just hasn't been a huge
issue with us but it's definitely worth an update though to kind of see what's going on with that how we selling what do we have with inventory um because it's it's been quite some time since because it used to be the AO treasury would bring to you like the listing of you know 12 15 properties the board
would set the minimum price and then they would be available for auction um but again that hasn't occurred in quite a long time again I think probably one reason is we just don't have a lot of tax corporate properties remember my first year yeah how is that different than the property we sold over by the
airport a year or two ago to to uh to Dave Miller that was did sell that piece over on County that count8 south of the south of R what do we sell that for you have to remind me what did we sell it for yeah I don't
remember what purpose it was like locked or whatever and he wanted to purchase it he was actually was using it I think he it was next door to his next door to his okay was that County owned or was it tax fored was it tax county owned count County owned okay there's a different
because all all state used was right next to oh and we had the same thing there was a lot right between our property and the road yeah yeah well there's the difference but let me let me ask Christine if she can do an update for you on just the the inventory what's
currently in tax forfeiture and if she wants to update you on how the new law might affect might affect us sure I'll ask her to do that they're saying like the minimum bid that they can go with is the tax assessed value okay okay yeah go
from there yeah one one thing that we've heard at the AMC was that you know they found a supposedly helium deal way Lake County well Lake County's got a lot of tax forfeited land because it was Forest land that was worthless so people just let it go back and now they may come
back and say that's why there's that 15-year look back window because they could come back and say haha that was my property you know but you didn't pay the taxes so and then we get anything that's above and beyond the taxes so I you know
there's it it was designed that that bill was designed for you know henpen County Ramsey County and then the Count's way up North yeah and it does have the County's expenses fix buil they're built
in you can build your yeah fortunately we've we've had very Mo modest expenses associated with this this CBE I remember like the two houses we had like think put you know chains of locks um but they sold very quickly to people who wanted to is they had been
just trashed when they were abandoned and they were so sold really quickly and people then renovated them so they didn't stay on our inventory very long yeah okay I got just two things we had a library finance committee meeting that
went really well um we had proposals we were a little short on voting members we barely had a quorum and uh uh shout out to commissioner foby because we had three options and I like the third option and she told the right County
Commissioner if commissioner pop likes the third count third option you better make a motion now and she did so it'll result in what I I haven't got the official papers but it's going to result in probably like $1,000 decrease in our library
deal take it so yeah we'll take it and everybody's going to be pretty minimal but uh Wright countyy is going to have an increase and you know Morrison County and Todd County weren't there and with the one we had proposed they were going to have an increase and um they just
said well you know we're happy if we can get it back to zero and so they they actually got a decrease out of it and then the other one was last night we had a part commission meeting and we agreed to expend the remaining funds that we have left because we were at
$185,000 and so they're going to do uh well there's a requirement for the structure they showed us that how much more concrete we had to put in for this building it was like insane it came to $22,000 more Concrete in order to get this building that they're going to put
up secured because of requirements and then they're going to we're going to put in a new well and they're working on that and then instead of adding class five we're going to add class two only on the east side and that'll about chew up 185,000 that we had wow so but you
know them are things that wouldn't have got done without so and they're going to I talked to Jeff and he's going to work on the well because they got a complete new well with a new pump and I don't that pump well does does not pump that much water that we should put a new pump in there so he's going to work on that
with him too good all right okay I was out of state last week but I did have a meeting yesterday uh Tri County Solid Waste myself Vice chair Daniel owski from Sherburn s sw's um just reviewing some
contract stuff for Tri County and also moving forward with what our potential plan B's are so there's a lot in the works a lot lot of things are changing over there and so there'll be more and more updates coming hopefully this summer I was really bummed that they
canceled that I'll bet you were well I'll take a motion to adjourn because there is no Committees of the whole right we've got several oh all right what month several he says what month though it's time for the
uh first half of the Year Employee Service Awards um those are usually held the morning before board meeting perfect so we wanted to offer you two possibilities the Tuesday July 16th board meeting at 7:00 a.m. or the August
6 board meeting at also 700 a.m. which which would you prefer July 16th or August August 6th to me we have a c both days let's get done let's get her done 16 I'm fine with that July 16 okay then we'd start at 7:00 a.m. over the
sheriff's office and go there probably is anyone in Highway y time we look we'll look okay yeah all right Mr chair then the last one is is three topics that landed on my list uh some continued discussions on the use of arpa
funds I think we need some resolution on the city of St Cloud request and other uncommitted arpa funds I also understand there's some desire to be to resume some discussions about the government center project also roxan and Brian wish to
discuss with you assessor Staffing giving uh the departures of some local folks from that profession so um three topics arpa government center and government and county assessor Staffing for a
cal next Tuesday the 9th um we do we we could we we could go in the morning we have human we have HR Director interviews in the afternoon yep I've got two meetings in the afternoon too on Tuesday so we could do actually that would work
in the morning for me that way I could just stay in town here nth works for me can make it work what time would you like to start 8:30 8:30 yeah um some feedback I was hearing is that
this discussion on the government center would not include GLT or contegrity is that is that accurate I would think I don't I would yeah I would think we need to get our heads wrapped around it again okay thank
you all right so then arpa Government Center County sessor 8:30 on the 9th and that is all we have okay Mo for approval the Cs second okay we got a motion a second for approval of the Cs all in favor I post same sign motion
carries motion to you adjourn it adjourn at 958 hey pretty good thank Mr chair that's pretty close that's pretty close you know under an hour I'm sorry guys we
got out of control there with Chris yeah all right wh sorry oh sorry y are you done nope I'm done okay we are going to move into ditch Authority I'll call that to order we have had a roll call already um move into approval or amendments to our
agenda anything to add Chris I have nothing to we for approval Mr chair second all those in favor all right oppos is carried move on to contend agend item one approve or amend the meeting minutes of June 18th 2024 so moved second motion a second to approve those minutes is there any further
discussion hearing none all those in favor carried Chris County ditch n repair report change order possibility yeah so I want to bring us to the drainage authority to consider authorizing a change order to our
contractor Helman uh to address uh the rocks on the spoil piles specifically on the held property this is on County ditch n so working with our consultant he and I went out there and we we came up with uh three
different options uh to do it the first option was to go through there and remove some of that spoil piles Chris could I interrupt you there before you start on that would you be willing to pull it up on Beacon please and show us where we're talking about I think that'd be helpful to the
other three Commissioners May hav't seen it have you been alter chair I think I I think you showed it to me that one time okay just to refresh our memory sorry but might be helpful to see it this is a picture I took uh last week or the week before so this is 175th Street the
Culver's underneath of it um it's hard to tell we have a lot of vegetation growing up there but I don't know you can kind of see some there's some large Boulder type uh rocks that have come out of there um you could not drive across
this with with a mower part of the this this situation was exasperated also by the the depth of excavation through this this point um so there a lot of spoil materials in here but we also see some mature trees that are kind of back at
and these were about 25 ft from the ditch where a buffer strip is typically 16 and 1 12 ft we identified an additional area just to give contractor some room so so that con complicates things there so the contractor was trying to fit the spoil Pile in between
the edge of the top of the bank and the back of the trees that that they were given permission to to remove and if we bring it up on Beacon hopefully this layer is open there you go yeah it
works so yeah this is where ditch n comes and Crosses under 175th street so we're where we're the picture standing on in 175th Street here and and looking Downstream is where we're at we'll go
back to the picture so that was one option was to just haul out some of this spoil pile uh the second option was to try to spread it out around the trees a little bit um and then the third option
that was presented was to cut down trees and then spread it out further and then if you recall on our road tour we talked about it some more and we mentioned that we're we're seeing some erosion since we've had a lot of flows through this now that
we've opened it up and a lot of flows before we had vegetation reestablished could we somehow screen some of that oversized Rock and then place it on the project in locations just uh to combat some erosion so that was also discussed with the
contractor as well so you see the the um prices here and I spoke out of order but haul out the spoils and that soil and the rock that was the most expensive option to the contractor at 18,000 to remove the trees and to spread out the
spoil piles in a wider area that was $115,000 and then try to work it around the trees um the the lowest cost option there at $10,000 although uh they cautioned us that working around those trees may still even if we don't cut them down may still result in them them
dying if we're covering up the roots and and disturbing them and then the third that the additional option with h bringing out what what's called a Grizzly basically it's just a large screen that you would dump the spoil piles over let the smaller soils fall
through and then the larger rocks roll off um having an excavator and then a track skid loader out there and a dozer he couldn't come up with how long that would take and then so is offering an hourly price uh to do that
commission po you had a question yeah on uh on leveling it out around there and you look at we're just looking at the rocks that we see I'm worried about there's big rocks under the soil I mean them big rocks going to have to be removed anyway unless I mean we can't use that
many of them down along the the calarts coming out of there I don't think yeah there may be you're right there may be more than what we could actually use at that location um and if we're going to remove the trees don't we have to have the property property owners that that's the other
consideration we don't necessarily have that that approval yet to take down some additional trees you know I recall some meetings last fall where uh with that land owner they expressed that they did not want to see more trees removed so I mean so if you look at 15,000 versus
18,000 and then you still got a hollow out rock that don't comes comes up to the same don't look like a real good option Chris does this include the big rock pile down on the left hand side the south side of where it curves you know the the pile of rock that was
identified uh I honestly I do not believe so I believe it's just that one where they excavated out of the channel and and threw it up there on the the spoil pile okay so I'm going to share with the ditch Authority again my opinion on this we will not be able to maintain this 16 and 1 half feet with
the way that it is right so again if we're going to do repairs and not maintain them I think we're foolish so I think we have to figure out how to this is a unique situation in this particular property owner where that spoil pile what Chris 68 feet tall yeah
so any rock that are on there have rolled down into his property correct which of course he's not very happy about and I don't blame him and the rock that exists down on the other side and we've had this discussion in my opinion I don't believe it's the property owner's fault I don't believe really
it's anybody's fault again I I kind of said it before it could have been great great grandpa pop that put that rock there 100 years ago so but what do we do do we turn our head and go H or do we take care of it now that we're doing the we fix it the right way well that's my opinion and it's going to cost some
money and it's going to get spread amongst the whole ditch system I don't believe it's this particular property owner's problem I think it's the ditch's problem and I think we've got to set ourselves up to be able to maintain it yes it's going to cost money and and it's in my opinion it's going to be
pretty hard if we got a few rocks there now and the property owner adds more rocks we're going to come back and say oh you can't do that you know we ain't going to know if he adds rocks well if we clean it up now establish our buffers we know we know so Mr chair please fill
me in about this rock pile well down on the left hand side did did we create that rock pile or was it created we don't it was there and I don't think anybody knew it until they went to the repair so who again who put it there who put it there we don't know did we put it
there no no but it's there but okay I'll just give you my opinion if we didn't put it there somebody did and it was probably the land owner that did it I'm not I don't know yeah down
there the left side you can't see it yeah it's down it's kind of down between those before you get to that that tree right there and it's kind of right in there and it's a pile of rock and is it in our 16 ft yes and those trees right there are
within the 16 ft too no no no no no trees are in the 16 ft anymore none and you're absolutely right commissioner Hein can I sit here and tell you that the land owner didn't do it I can't I don't think that anybody can sit here and tell us he did no I I I realize that but once you told me it's in our 16 feet
I'm already done with it meaning we got to take get rid of it yeah and at this point going forward if the landowner dumps Rock there that's on them now we know it's on them right they put it into the buffer mhm I I just if we're going to be
serious about having buffer strips and maintaining ditches I think we have to correct it and I understand Chris's Point completely and I commend him for it it costs money to do this one concern I have is that becomes you know our kind of our policy what we see on future
ditches land owners start to put things that they don't want anymore in that buffer area because they know that the Project's going to come through and remove that well then maybe what we do at this point since we have drones as we fly over our dit every ditch I say that and pre-record before the repairs start
and then when things start showing up we know I I have no issue going back to land and say dude yeah you put this here prior to our repair but we don't know that here well and then if you go I think it's on this
ditch where the person put a new fence up and in specifically you can see it's 16 ft from the from the ditch yeah I mean so that's the kind of own property owners we like yeah they prepped for it yeah y but maybe and you're it's a good
concern Chris but let's take advantage of our technology and fly our ditches see what's there you know if a guy goes and Parks his R because he doesn't want it anymore we should be able to charge that time to the ditch to the ditches and here's why because in
turn it it should be saving the ditch money in the future by having this this documentation on the front end well and how about being able to share that with potential contractors on the bidding so they can really see what's out there sure that you know that would be a goal
of mine is to get that information captured collected the Drone footage and then put that out there on our website so not just bids but anybody MH so um and we just let people know that hey we we did this yeah we took but in order to going back to your comment on charging
it to the ditch then we need a fund because we can't have you know we we don't want to have to go back and through the um the assessor could we not make that part of the repair these contracts aren't closed correct and back to commissioner ginsky you know we have an obligation
and a responsibility to inspect grown footage and things that's that could be part of our inspection so you know 20% of our ditch length every year needs to be inspected Ed or or at least once every five years all of it needs to be inspected my sorry CH we my deal would
be as soon as we have that ditch done and completed before we get all vegetation fly it fly it and document it absolutely and then we got it and then if anything shows up inside that ditch when you go parking RV out there because you don't want it anymore y yep and Clark I call you
Clark best just let them finish but regarding contracts you're right the contracts are still open and that's one of the the things we've discussed uh with Houston or I've discussed is like if we get authorized authorization for a change order we had
a completion date um coming up here at the end of July actually I believe we need to extend that because there is still contract work that they need to get done and the way this Spring's been as soon as it would dry out it would start raining again and and that's part of the
original contract they do need to come back and dress up spoil piles generally on the whole length of the ditch I've been out there with our our new side by side and it is rough writing it's really difficult to get through there so um so yeah we have the contract open so so we
have multiple options here um one two three if that's you know maybe not what we want to do I would recommend if you want to go with the using the screening option uh kind of there at the bottom of their table maybe authorizing a maximum dollar amount and do using those options
or using those pieces of equipment up to that maximum amount to see how much we can get accomplished would be my recommendation um but yeah we're open to what the the board sees as the best option moving forward well my only concern on this is
I I don't know that we have Clarity on whether or not that 18 Grand I I think you're leaning towards it's only the spoil and not that rock pile the one way down the one way down yeah I I believe when they provided that cost it was just on the side that they
that they had worked from originally so so while they're there and have equipment could I I certainly can ask them to say well can you just run the piece of equipment over there and scoop out those rocks on the other side Johnson was you down have you was you down to that rock yeah Chris and I last
fall went down inside how how big is it is it 50 ft long or more yeah maybe I wouldn't say it's more than that so but it's probably about 2 feet high so in that rock could those rocks be used potentially
potentially around around those culverts there yeah and maybe those are the rock that get used yeah instead of digging them out of the spoil right maybe that would be my option if he's going to have a Skit Steer out there could he just take that skid steer and then line that line the bank here around that corner
instead of hauling it you know take it to a dump truck and then hauling on a dump truck somewhere and the other and the other side I just in my book get rid of it get rid of it but I will just point out I mean just look at the now that we've had this ditches look just
how rocky this area was so as you can imagine um yeah who put it there I mean this is just a rocky area of the county um and I think we have to be you know and I'm sure Luke will do this cognizant of any rock that have rolled onto that property owner's property we need to do
our best to get it off of there yeah that would because we cre be over here yeah thoughts yep then they're not going to allow the rocks to be buried underneath I don't think they looked at
that as an option to bury them one of them I thought of one of them mentioned that well the biggest problem here is Chris just showed look how rocky the area is I think that dig down we're going to be in rock go hole and it's going to be all rock yeah commissioner I to your point though I think in in the beginning that was an option that we briefly discussed and I think what we
came back to is like well the natural ground is so Rocky there we dig a hole the rocks are going to be back on top again so if there if they going to be uh an impedance to our maintenance we probably just need to get them out of there or find a way to use them within
the project you know and I think and and it's not a big deal but part of this particular area and the buffers are part of establishing the buffers to spot of getting them maintained so part of that work in there a little bit of it's already included in establishing the buffer and
getting it to a point of being able to be maintained so that that's kind of my confusion with the contractor right now is how can they say that this can be maintained knowing that all those rocks are there you can't
can't so does any of this lie on the contractor for that you know it's a tough situation well when we met with them in the subcommittee and with Joe Lewis you know part of Luke's concern too was even farther down the road when you go back to repair and maintain the
ditch where you going to put the spoils yeah mhm you know but you're right where's that fine line yeah we we don't want to have our contractors backing away from bidding these projects or these projects are going to go through the rough that's right but well with that said and I'm
not trying to say that the money doesn't matter but this the bid on these projects were significantly less than the second third and fourth bid numbers that we saw and that again I don't I'm not saying we got room to spend all this money that's not the point
but I'm kind of back to your statement before we're going to do it right or we're not I I'm I'll I'm voting for The the number one haul it out of there can we can we vote for number one and then Chris can get like if you can put them
rocks in there get like an hourly figure as they go for I think I think on Chris's proposal they had an hourly rate of $125 yeah for so yeah the most expensive option would be just I say okay we authorize $188,000
we want you to haul it out that's all you're going to get or yeah they have provided me some prices here for hourly rate of an excavator this grizzly or screen a track skid St skid loader and Dozer to shape it up that could be another option
is do it hourly up to one of these dollar amounts or so Chris if he hauls the rock out on that one side with the spoil PS are then it's it's his duty to level that all out then right I mean we shouldn't have no
additional skid loer or anything correct Char if if the board today authorizes change order for item number one I say Helman construction you're you get a maximum of $118,000 you need to haul that spoil pile out and dress it up um
afterwards you're done and then we'll authorize them for taking the taking the skid loader and bringing uh some of them rocks up to the to the bend but but when it's done the rock need to be done gone but the rock need to be gone if there's extra Rock I don't he's going to have to
all away you know that Mr chair this brings up another interesting question in the future when we're doing ditches if we know it's a rocky area that should be put into the contract immediately to haul it out exactly and I think that's what we're going to try to do is fine
two in our specs a little bit and what can help us is our technology you know to again who whose fault is it I don't know that it's anybody's fault I don't know that unless luk was or the contractors were going to walk every foot of all these ditches they're not going to see going know no but but as
they're Excavating and they're seeing all these rocks come up at least they know right away they've got a hul of that stuff out yep and it would be nice if they had a heads up to it and to the contractor's benefit I will mention they did as they were Excavating I was getting daily reports
from them and they when they were through this area they were sending me picture saying this is Rocky way excessive excessive than than before and there's I don't know that we would have known that unless we had taken soil borings in that area knew that it was exceptionally Rocky so I
think that's why us as Engineers we believe that this maybe this is a little bit above and beyond what they could have known at the time of from my Mr chair from my standpoint I think Helman Excavating has been a pretty good partner throughout all these ditches so far and more than just ditches they did
some pretty good Highway work for a so I I think I think we got to take their their opinions uh to heart and and I think we we we should be taking care of them and MH doing it the right way especially if they were up front and telling you every day that this is a lot
rockier here they're not trying to hide anything no Chris do you have a I mean is there a number that you would suggest for example if we were to move on item number one and then say We'll allow up to additional dollars for the hourly work I mean is there a number
that you know up to this or remove the other side to get the other side done well I I'd like to think that that that other side that using their track skid loader I could move that around and and I think that's a a good solution to just dump that on that bank at that location
yeah so $125 an hour I would think an 8 hour day they could get most if not all that moved around so I would say another 1,000 for hourly rate of a skid loader and obviously they need more we're going to have to talk again yeah yeah well okay I
will make a motion that we use item number one to haul out uh that' actually be the north side of the ditch right yes and then we allow the the track skid loader to remove the others and pile alongside deal up to 1,250 bucks give
them 10 hours of work that would be my motion second any other discussion any other discussion hear none all those in favor right all right opposed carried thank you good we will
move forward and and get this going so any other items no just we're continuing to work through uh some options on that ditch 14 and the wetlands so we do have uh we had a meeting yesterday to discuss that um they've got a a depth to that we
can that that Houston believes that we can excavate and not impact the wetlands so they're they're summarizing that in a memo to me that we can present back to the the T panel and hopefully get authorization to move forward with that's just in the one area right that's
just in the one area the the ones North of Highway 23 those are depressional wetlands and anytime you impact those according to Bowser the Border Water and Soil resources it's at least a 50% uh impact so right off the bat 50%
mitigation for those depressional Wetlands north of so once again it's not the the cleaning cost I think it's it's those replacement costs that could be that and and do you have a timeline would we say something at the next Stitch Authority do you think um
possibly uh I would like to that would be ideal um the big thing is you know schedule a meeting I think with u that Cade before the first meeting in August so okay so we wouldn't see it until the August Authority yeah I'm sorry that's that's what I was thinking yeah it would
be August probably at the earliest that that you would see that so