--------- [Music] 9:00 we'll call the county board the meeting to order. Begin at the flag pledge. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Beth >> sure. Commissioner Benoy >> here. >> Commissioner Heinen >> here. >> Commissioner Pop >> here. Commissioner Johnson >> here. >> Commissioner Gapinsky >> present.
>> Thank you. >> Approve or amend the agenda. Monty. >> Mr. Chair, we have one item to add. It's an a snap update by human service. Uh before we we add it, just I wanted to mention is we we need to make some schedule adjustments this morning.
>> Okay. uh so that you can recess county board at 10 uh so that Kale from Rinky can join us. >> Yep. >> We need to move our close session to 9:30. So we're we're going to need to to take a break about, you know, 9:27 9:28
to get the room set up uh for our labor attorney to join us for that closed session. So, if you could plug into your agenda again, a break about 9:27 28 for labor labor at turning close session and then a recess at approximately 10 for
ditch authority. Uh, so I think those are pretty significant uh stops. We really need to, you know, can't drift over because to keep with Kale's schedule and Susan's schedule, we really need to stop at those times. So, I guess the question is where does the human
services item fit? Uh, >> Mr. Chair, what I would recommend is to do Roxan, do Troy, do Roxan, do Snap, and then put Monty off hold, put Monty on hold until after the >> Perfectly fine. So you're thinking maybe is after Roxan at 9:10 the human
services update. Okay. Okay. And then that's all the changes we have, Mr. Chair. >> Move for approval of amended agenda, Mr. Chair. >> Second. >> And moved and seconded to approve the agenda. Any other discussion? All in favor?
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to vibrate. Thank you. Open forum. Nobody. Okay. Consent agenda. We have items one through. Move approval. >> I want to pull
>> second. No, you can go ahead. I'd like to pull item number four for >> I'll amend mine uh removing item number four >> and I will I will also >> Okay, we've got a motion and a second to
approve items one two five six seven and eight. >> Mr. Chair, this is a correct one through three and >> Yep. >> One through three. Okay. >> Everything except >> everything except There we go.
>> Is there >> There was a motion. >> There was a motion in a second. All in favor? >> I opposed. Carried. >> Number four. >> Uh, can I just have a quick question? I noticed on the application that on
number six on the application, it says, "Are property taxes current?" And the box is marked no. Is it common for us to issue a license with the uh current taxes not up to date? >> Yes, but they have since paid in full.
So, >> okay. >> I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. >> We can issue a license if the current taxes are not paid. It's only if they're delinquent. >> Oh, delinquent. Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> I'll move item number four.
>> Second. >> Motion been made and seconded. Uh move item number four for approval. All in favor? >> I >> I post carried Troy. >> Good morning, commissioners. >> Good morning. >> Back before you once again with the AC
contract. Um, as I mentioned last time, we've been with AC uh to provide our jail medical services for um the last three years. We have before you a three-year contract. Last time that I presented this, uh it was the wishes of the board
to look at reducing the rate being proposed for the 2027 2028 years. Um following that meeting, I had a conversation with uh the folks at um AC. Uh thanks I think in no small part to our
strong relationship that we developed with AC they were willing to reexamine those two years and are proposing a 3% increase in 2027 and 2028. >> Any questions? >> Move for approval. Mr. Chair,
>> I'll second. >> It's been moved and seconded for a three-year contract with AC for JL Medical. >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes. >> Thanks for your work on this, Troy. Absolutely. >> Appreciate you going back. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All in favor? >> I
>> opposed. Carried. Thanks, Troy. >> Thank you, commissioners. >> Roxan. >> Good morning, commissioners. >> Morning. >> Morning. >> Good. Okay. So, in light of some recent um concerns that have come up regarding
land use and in light of a um planning commission item that'll be coming forward, a request to amend the comprehensive plan and uh a resoning request. Um I thought it would be good to kind of review how
zoning came to be and and how that operates here um not not only in Benton County but in all jurisdictions. Um so zoning is guided by the comprehensive plan which lays out the FA framework for the development of the county. Um the
comprehensive plan is generally updated every 10 years and it was most recently updated and adopted on June 4th, 2019. As part of that process, we spent um several meetings, seven meetings with the county board and planning commission, nine meetings with cities
and townships, three with focus groups, and then 13 months of rigorous review of the comprehensive plan um to come up with what we have here as just one component of that comp plan, which is the land use planning framework, and that is to help guide us in the
development of the county. um maintaining that most of the county is agricultural in nature. Um and then reserving those areas along Highway 10 um and at intersections for commercial development just due to the location of
the access points and the heavier traffic and then areas generally between the city of Rice and Sartell as primarily where we want to see most of our residential development. um just due to the proximity of services and roadways.
Um in addition, those areas have always maintained more of a residential or commercial nature simply due to the fact of um the soils and they've they've been um not as good of quality as we see in
the rest of the county. Of course, um advancements in technology have increased um their ability to produce. However, that is primarily the reason why the comprehensive plan shows that side of the county as more of a residential or commercial area for the
county. Um, so after the adoption of the comprehensive plan, we then thoroughly reviewed the zoning ordinance. And this wasn't just making sure that it matched up with the comprehensive plan. This was a full overhaul of the entire zoning ordinance. It was a full repeal and
replace of the zoning ordinance. And so we thoroughly went through every zoning district and the uses within those district to determine um if it made sense with our comprehensive plan and for those areas in particular. That uh
adoption occurred on April 21st, 2020. Uh so that led to what we see here as our zoning map which each with each of our districts um identified in a different color. And
again, you see how it matches up with primarily our residential districts um between Rice and the city of Sartell. Um along with commercial areas along and adjacent to Highway 10, we do have some of these rural service districts that
are at the intersection of more um major major intersections um such as 95 and 25. We've got uh Dwelm down here. Um so just identifying those particular locations. Um and the key purpose of these zoning districts is to regulate
land use, guide development, protect uh public welfare, prevent incompatible uses, maintain neighborhood character and property values, and to provide for adequate infrastructure. uh making sure that there is a different uh a
difference between where we're placing our uh residential uses versus our commercial uses uh to protect the public health, safety, general welfare just uh by making sure that there is um uh space between those for especially for safety
purposes. Um and then just to kind of get into specifically that difference between commercial and and uh industrial development in a comprehensive plan um under our goals we try to guide that commercial and industrial development to planned areas with adequate road
service. Um but we do recognize that individ individuals do have home businesses. However, we state that allowed homebased businesses in rural areas that are compatible with neighboring properties and access roads.
And going on to the next page here, we kind of outline in our development code exactly what a homebased occupation or extended home businesses. The home occupation is something that occurs within the single family dwelling structure and it takes up no no more
than 20% of the home. Um and essentially it's not noticeable from uh the outside of the building. Um home extended businesses occur in an accessory structure. Um, and some of those examples are, um, home offices, uh, seamstress, tailor,
photography studio, uh, beauty or barber shop with limited customers, internet sales with no face-to-face customer service, daycare services, and again, these businesses are relative to the zoning district in which they are
located. So, you may not feel that um, you may not see certain home businesses in a residential district that you may see in an agricultural district. Um, for example, we have a location that has horses and they do lessons. So, in the A
district, that may be an appropriate use as an extended home business where they're providing lessons on horses where that is not appropriate in a residential area. So, just to kind of go through a few of those things. Um,
in in light of uh the most recent concern uh by a resident um granting of a use variance, um we statutoily are not able to grant use variances. And that is so that we protect our zoning districts,
the public health and safety of areas. So that when there are set standards and uses allowed in a particular zoning district, we are not allowing one or you know picking and choosing the types of uses that are allowed in there, thereby affecting the full character of that
zoning district. Furthermore, um reszoning a a single lot may be construed as spot zoning where you're only changing the zoning of an area specifically to allow a certain use. And there is case law that um that
um I'm losing the word here. Uh supports that that supports that use variances are not something that can be granted and spot zoning doesn't always hold up. and you look into the size of the lot
and whether um the surrounding zoning is different and whether is supported by the comprehensive plan. I also know that there was concerns about tax classification versus zoning districts and the tax classification determines
the tax rate based on the property's actual use while zoning regulates the potential and legal use of the property. Um, so for example, let's say you do have somebody with a daycare. They're going to have a commercial tax classification, but it doesn't mean that
all commercial uses would be allowed there. And so that's something that absolutely needs to be looked into um before moving forward. So we can't say, okay, well, they're classed commercial. They have a daycare running there, but now they move out and I get to move in a
retail operation because it's commercial. Um, and that's the difference between taxing and zoning classifications. >> Uh, just for the board, I wasn't I was in DC at the last meeting when all this came up. So, a lot of this is due to my
um questions on this uh on this issue because one of the things that came up with was exactly that on the tax it says it's commercial. So they're getting tax commercial, but yet they can't have a commercial >> correct >> business there, right?
>> So to me, something's got to change. You know, whether tax, they shouldn't be being tax commercial if >> if they can't do business. >> If they can't do business, right? >> Well, no longer should they be in there doing business. They should not have been doing business. And so, um, with
the ceasing of that operation, Yes. Right. >> But when they bought it, it was it it was commercial tax. So, I can see, you know, ignorance of the law is not always good, right? I I get that. But you got to understand that people just starting a business, they're they're not
attorneys and lawyers and they look at that and they're like, "Oh, I get it. They didn't ask the questions. Doesn't make it right." That's why I think they're in this position. I don't think they meant to harm anybody. >> No. And most people I I I mean, I would say most people do not intend that. Um,
but I do I I I get a lot of phone calls every every day, every week, um, asking if certain things are are allowed. And I I think there was a lack of due diligence. And it may not have been on the property owners. It may have been on, uh, the realer or the previous
property owner. Um, information was uh, misconstrued and and it's unfortunate. Um, and I know just kind of to address I know there was concerns about other uses in that particular neighborhood. Um, and
and I've talked to the applic or the the current property owners about this. There is there's a a repair garage in that neighborhood. I'm aware of that. That particular uh property has had a repair garage prior to us regulating
specific home businesses. And so they were allowed. And that is one example of where a non-conforming use is allowed to expand because they were in place at a time in which it was not regulated. Th >> that's exactly what is wrong with
government is because 99% of people don't understand that. You know what I mean? And that that's it's frustrating. I'm >> Yep. Yep. And I and I take every opportunity I can to to fully explain that uh to >> I'm not saying you did anything wrong. I'm not saying that,
>> you know. So, Mr. Chair, Sir Roxen, when that non-conforming use goes away, then that goes away with the property, too, though. >> Correct. >> Because that was grandfathered in. But once that >> So, if it ceases to operate for one year, >> right,
>> that use goes away. Yep. >> I I've dealt with this a lot at the city level. Yeah. when I was with the city. >> So, I have a question on that repair shop. Sure. >> If if that person sells that piece of property, does that grandfather move
with the property if someone else buys the repair shop? >> Yes. Okay. >> I would imagine there's a C on there. >> There is not. >> So, it was even pre prior to that. >> Yes. Yes. It was allowed to be there when home businesses um did not require
a specific permit. um they were simply allowed as a home occupation or a home home business. >> So is that why you can they need to be done if they don't do anything within 12 months because there's no CUP there to go with the property? >> Um >> I mean what if there good question?
>> Yeah >> without thatal. >> Sure. So the reason that we can it has to go away is because they don't have a cup and they haven't done business for 12 months. But if they had had a cup and
not done business for 12 months, they still have the cup. >> Yeah. Any other questions? >> Well, it's just from my standpoint, I'm sitting here going, we're begging begging work workers and businesses to
come into the county. And on the on the other side, not not not not your fault, but the laws don't allow us and then they they get upset with us and move out of the county. >> Right. And I mean, Roxan, from day one, since you've been here, you've been
really intelligent and up bringing us up to speed on this kind of stuff and I really appreciate that. But I agree with Jared. Sometimes the law just is not right. >> It It's not and and we're the ones that answer for it. >> Well, and I think it's important to remember that. I mean, this is an exact
situation, but there's some things that we have to look at it sometimes, right? The billboard issue, for example, in Highway 10, >> we looked at that and decided as a board that that's something that needed to get updated. >> You know, are these some of those issues? I'm not talking about variances, but I'm talking about, >> you know, our comp plan,
>> right? At some point that's going to get reviewed and some of this stuff is going to get >> and and we're not prohibiting businesses per se in our residential neighborhoods. Just certain types of businesses, ones that are going to have a lot more vehicles, bigger vehicles, more noise,
traffic, um safety concerns for residential roads and things like that. Um but I would say nearly 95% of the county it it would be allowed in. Yeah. So unfortunately they chose that. You know, >> I want to make it extremely clear. I'm
not I'm not saying you did anything wrong at all. >> Means >> it just >> it's a difficult conversation to have. Yeah. >> Difficult to have with the applicant or the person that did it. >> Yep. >> Well, and you look at the and I know you can't single out property,
>> but you look at the property, it's actually kind of set up for something like that where it's got the tree barriers and everything like that. It's like >> Well, and and even the location, you know, I mean, you look at >> just to the north northwest and there's, you know, big agricultural fields,
>> 300 acres up there. >> Yeah. >> And right alongside the railroad tracks. >> Yeah. Railroad tracks. Nothing's going to happen on that other side. >> Yeah. >> And it's Yeah. I mean, but it's, you know, I mean, you were here and we did the comp plan and it was a long process and we met with township, cities,
>> everybody, you know, the the one deal that was in the orderly annexation that came forth up in the rice area. Boy, then people did not want it and we eventually come to an agreement >> and it's a great example of we can't cover every situation that might come up. >> Yeah. >> So, >> it's a blanket.
>> It is. Yep. >> Anyway, anybody else any got anything else? >> Nope. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thanks for all your knowledge. >> Thank you. >> Uh, >> snap. Snap. >> Yep. We'll do the
>> You got the >> Good morning. I know that SNAP is on the news every single day, so you probably can't help but see some of the updates, but I asked Janelle to give us a current update of where we're at today um with SNAP. And sometimes people might wonder if we're not issuing SNAP benefits in
November, what our staff are doing. Um, our staff are plenty busy. They still are doing all the processing, all the things so that things will be ready to go as soon as SNAP is back in place. And in fact, they're busier than ever because they're getting a lot of phone calls, a lot of people searching for
food, a lot of questions about this process. But I will ask um Janelle to give a little update on where we're at. >> Good morning, Janelle. >> Morning. Good morning. >> Morning. Okay, first of all, the regular federal funding um that normally pays for SNAP
and MIP food support will not be issued until probably until the shutdown is resolved. There was a federal court issued uh order issued on Friday um to the USDA to use contingency funds. There's about $5 billion in that and
they figure that would maybe cover half of the nation's need for food. Um, let's see here. Okay, those contingency funds, they haven't been released yet, but they're working on it. So, that'll probably take some time before it actually gets
issued. Um, and they're not really sure how they're going to do that yet. And what percentage >> isn't that actually in the courts right now saying that they don't know if they have the legal ability to do that? >> I'm pretty sure of it. >> It's in the courts. He brought it back
to the courts to explain to them of how they're going to distribute it and what they can regulate, not regulate >> because the government has to be in operation in order to uh enact the contingency. >> Yeah,
>> that's the loophole is what I have understood. >> Sorry, Janelle. >> It's fine. >> Yeah. And I know there was like well there's a lot of food sources that are providing more and they've been given I think another four million in Minnesota
to try to help with the shortfall but not going to be enough. Um let's see here. I was going to clarify that MIP cash funding is still going out. So the MIP cash funding was not included in that at all. Um let's see. And I think
Sandy said earlier, we're still doing applications and renewals, still processing everything, doing the approval. It's just the funding that will be withheld. Uh let's see. Yeah, and she had mentioned too that our phone calls and stuff, our phone calls
and referring people to other resources will increase. And then I thought I'd let you know, we have 1,930 cases as of the end of October. And normally our issuing or our issuance for September was $545,636
and then we have 65 cases pending when I checked it last. Any other questions, Mr. Chair? >> Yes. Uh uh when we were out in DC for the APO a week and a half ago, um we were out there for roads and bridges
obviously, but one of the biggest things that we were talking about was SNAP and how that was going to affect everybody, not just our area. And one of the questions that I had that that was even though our counties aren't stopping
because we're state and local, what's it going to look like when federal government comes back? how long is this process going to take to get caught back up? And they were, I would say, sheepish on on saying how long that would take, but they're they're saying significant
time. >> So just because the federal government starts back up, these programs start back up, funding doesn't automatically kick in. I want to give a kudos out to whoever does the uh uh human services Facebook
page I think it is to where you uh provided all the areas to where people to look for food. My wife looked at it actually and told me about that the other day. So kudos to you guys. >> Thank you. You can also give kudos to
our staff. They're doing a food drive as well. And over the weekend, um, a group of them did put together like this, um, white chicken chili packages. So, with the all the things you would need with a recipe to do do white chicken chili. I mean, it's it's minuscule in what we need in the world, but I still think it
it is worth noting what our staff are doing on their own personal time as well to try and have an impact. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Y, >> great. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Any anything else? Thanks for the updates. >> Thank you.
Well, at this point, we're close enough that we'll recess the county board and >> so M chair we wouldn't recess. We just need to have a motion to go in close session pursuant to the agenda item. >> So moved. >> Yep. >> Second. >> And I could just note for the record again, we're you're closing uh the
county board meeting pursuant to Minnesota statutes 13D.03 subdivision 1 for discussion of labor strategy and we're closing the session at 9:27. Can we also talk about Tim as long as we're doing that? >> Absolutely. Okay, that's right. Part: 2
you know, in in advance of the public testimony, show those things and then let the public testimony be what it is and allow the >> fact of the matter is there's been 135 150 grand spent already which will be assessed. >> So, and I would say that part of that
150 grand was to do the reestablishment of drain. So at some point in the future if the drainage authority wants to do that full excavation down to where the bottom um of the ditch we still have that right because we did we went through the process with the regulatory
agencies to say where that as constructed and subsequently improved line is that doesn't mean today we have to do that full excavation but we could sometime in the future if so choose. >> And Mr. Mr. Chair, that should be good for many years >> determination of benefits, not just
>> Yeah. >> You know, not just today, tomorrow. >> Well, and if we if hypothetically chose not to do the repair, that would leave that culvert alone on 55th, too, >> right? Mhm. So maybe that's something that we have a drainage subcommittee meeting soon to uh to discuss that and
bring back a recommendation for scheduling that hearing just to kind of close that loop and >> um see if the public wants more work done at a greater cost or satisfied with the the progress so far. >> I mean it does bring up some good questions. We we didn't we didn't mow or
remove trees on both sides of the ditch on this one like we have on other one. So there is some considerations there um just for the land owners to be aware of. But >> Mr. Chair, we just have to clarify to let them know that we had to do this process first of all and then this process will stay in place.
>> Well, hopefully we're going to hear from the testimony about what they want done, right? >> Because I think you're going to have both ends of this. >> Have the ones that say don't spend any more money and have a couple that are going to say fix it. >> So that's what we're going to have to hear. >> Y >> go from there. All right. Anything else?
>> No, that was it. information. >> All right, we're journed at 10:56. Turn it back to the board chair. >> We'll go back to 9:25 on Monty. >> All right. [Applause] Our first subject is uh Minnesota paid
leave. And we've been calling it PFML at this point, but I understand the state wants us wants us to call it Minnesota Pay Leave, MNPL, what they say. So, we want to get with the program. >> So, Mr. Chair, of course, as you know, we're we're in discussions with our bar units about the the cost sharing
arrangement on Minnesota paid leave. This action before you today is to address cost sharing for our non-UN folks. Uh, and our recommendation to you is that the 0.88 be split 50/50 between employees and the county. And again, that's consistent with what we're attempting to achieve through through
negotiations. Um, so the action before again is to is to set that as a 50/50 share as of January 1st. >> Mr. Chair, Monty, question, and you probably said this already, so forgive me, but um I know that we chose to go with the state paid leave plan.
>> Is that a one-year, a two-year? Do we have an option of looking at a different plan in the future? >> Yeah, we can we can move uh after this first year. >> Okay. Okay. Once you go private though, I believe you got to remain in private either two or three years before we can go back to state. >> Okay. >> So, you can't just jump back and forth
year, you know, year round. You have to stay a little bit. So, yeah. >> So, there's a potential in a year where you could review the state plan. >> Absolutely. Right. Possibly go to the private plan. Yeah. >> All right. I'm going to move for the 50/50 uh contribution from the employer and the employee. >> Second.
>> Motion been made and seconded to move to a 50/50 for the nonUN employees. Any other discussion? All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Carried. All righty. I think your next item is is is an
administrative report. And I've got three items to discuss if I could, Mr. Chair. Uh one is uh the first one is on the government center. And uh what I'd like to do, Mr. here is address a couple of assertions that we've heard in social media regarding the government center. I
think it's uh time has arrived to address those issues and perhaps uh clarify some uh I would describe as misunderstandings about how we funded certain things. So the first assertion I'd like to address, Mr. Chair, is that we didn't budget for FFE, which is
furniture, fixtures, and equipment. I've seen this assertion that we did not budget for that. So, I'd like you'll have to bear with me because I'm going to show you a bunch of numbers and if I'm going too fast, please tell me to slow down. But here's a here's my illustrations to show that um the
provision of FFE has been acknowledged going way back. Uh when you first engage with integrity, >> they shared for example various project estimates during committees of the whole which included provision for FFE. I'd like to show you one formal acknowledgement of that and that
occurred at a meeting on June 23rd uh this year where the board awarded the bids for the project and you got in your packet this budget from Contegrity
and uh the column on the left basically represents all the low bids from the 27 different contractors and out to the right were various alternatives which the board considered. down here at the bottom, but I'm going to actually enlarge this if I may just a
bit. You can see what's described as owner items. >> That includes FF, which is the estimated provision for that was 1.5 million. And then what's called internal IT, I'm calling it tech. We call it tech. That's
for example audio visual, uh, door control systems, uh, cabling and so on and so forth. Uh, provision of 1.2 2 million for that. Again, these are described as owner items. And then you can see the at this at the time it was described as as bestus uh removal and
then finally landscaping. So uh what contemporary brought to you was the the core 27 uh contracts for example for dirt work, steel, um uh um all the things that go
into a building basically plumbing, electrical and so on. But I wanted to stress is that from way back when we first started talking about this project with conte. We saw this allowance for FFE which is furniture, fixtures and equipment. All righty let's keep on
going. So that answers one question. Was it in the budget? Did we acknowledge it? The answer is yes. Let's move on if we may. July 1st. Now I think maybe this is a number that folks maybe kind of got thrown off by. So on July 1st, the board
then formally awarded those 27 contracts. And you may remember this number of 16,499316. So this was the list of those 27 contracts. For example, you know, there's some electrical, uh, masonary,
uh, heating, cooling, and so on and so forth. Again, all those core things which make up a building. So, I think folks saw that and thought, "Oh, where's the furniture?" Well, again, it was in there all along. Let me jump ahead then. So, again, this looks familiar to you. This is a
Integrity product. They produce an updated budget every month. So, let's just focus in on a few numbers. So, there's that 16499316. 16499316. Those are your core 27 contracts.
And here at the bottom again is the owner items FFE tech uh landscaping. They changed the labeling of that asbestous soil remediation. You know that was removal of the contaminated soil and also some asbesus containing
material. So again I'm just trying to document it was acknowledged it was in the budget. So this the second part of this question is well do we have the resources to cover the cost of that fee? Do we have the resources? >> So, do me a favor and remember that
number right there. This is the grand total current project budget. >> 24,238. So, please remember that number right there. 24,238. All right, let's jump ahead to the bond issuance. The bonds were sold on August
19th, 2025. I'm going to skip a couple of pages. This is all from North End Securities, our bond adviser. All righty. The bonds were bought by an investment firm called Robert Ward. Alrighty.
So what was deposited to the construction fund? In other words, what resources were made available between bond proceeds and county cash? Bond proceeds and county cash 24 million 238.
24 million 238. So basically, and the board identified this a long time ago, you were going to devote 2 million of county cash to the project and the rest was made up of bond proceeds. So you can see up here sources of funds, 24.8 million. 2 million is cash. The rest of
it is bond proceeds. That was deposited with a trustee bank, US Bank. We draw down on that as we get bills from uh Contegity. They send us a bill batch of bills every month. Jackie goes into US Bank. We draw it down. We cut the checks and we send those to integrity and the
contractors get paid. So this is answers the second part of this question is were the resources provided for FFE and again I'm referring to the total budget 24 million238. What do we have available to fund the
project? 24 million238. All right. There's another assertion out there that oh I should just one more thing I want to point out is the board discussed on
jumping ahead on September 23rd a plan to acquire FF. So you may remember we had this discussion about what's the way we're going to go about this and the board agreed to this plan where uh we're going to do an RFQ and we're going to send this out to GLT
is going to do this for us. They're going to send an RFQ out to all the companies are on state contract. We're going to narrow that down to a couple and ask two of the top contenders to interview with you and you make the final selection on who will be our FFE provider. I think it's a great plan and
identified by by by GLT to allow lots of more lots more back and forth about what our furniture needs are and also too to identify what per what furniture we can repurpose. So I think that's going to be stressed is where you know the furniture we have how much of it can be repurposed
to bring down our cost of new furniture. All right. So that was discussed. All righty. The second assertion I've seen in social media is that we don't have the resources set aside to demo possibly the 191 courthouse and put in car uh put in parking. That's the
assertion. We don't have the resources and we'll have to go back to the taxpayers again for more resources to demo the 1901 courthouse and put in parking. Alrighty. Well, back in February, um, Contegrity provided the county board with an
estimate of what would it cost to demo the 1901 courthouse and put in parking. The estimate was 1,266. So, you've been you've had an estimate for quite a long time of what would that cost be? So the second issue is well do we have the resources set aside for this
purpose? The answer is yes. All righty. I'm giving you lots of numbers. All right. So right now I want to show you I ran this as of as an end of September. We have $5.2 million set in our CIP fund. 5.2 million set in our
CIP fund cash. Now two million of that is for the project. Let's keep on going down. This is a spreadsheet that I use to track our CIP fund, our projects, what we have in terms of available resources. I'd like
you to remember that $5.2 million number. And you can I'm going to jump down to the bottom and I'm gonna back up. So, this spreadsheet ties to that. Shows we have 5.2 million in cash sitting in our CIP fund. Let's jump back up to the identification
of projects. All right, here's what I got highlighted. So you can see on line 13 we've spent about 1.6 million on all what I call precon. So that's GLT. That was all the the soil work done by Bronn Intertech.
Uh those are the big things because you may remember GLT's work with us went goes back almost two years to you know uh very much preliminary scoping and then what they call design development and then actually construction documents
and so on. So that that's almost two years worth of expenditures, 1.6 million. There's the 2 million sitting there for our share of the uh the construction cost, the the 2 million of cash. You can see we we we actually
spent a little bit. So before we got the bond proceeds, we had to use our own money to pay bills. So now that we got the bond proceeds, we're going to just, you know, sit on our resources and spend down those bond proceeds first. And then once those are exhausted, we'll go back
to this. So yeah, we had to pay a few bills before the bond proceeds were available. And then there on line 15 is the 126 383 which is sitting there for the possible demolition of the 1901 courthouse and
parking. And again, I just want to go back up to show the number. There you go. 126 382, which is the estimate from those two costs. And this shows you the resources are sitting there waiting for the possibility that those could be used
for parking and the demo of the old courthouse. So the answer question is no. We do not need to go back to the taxpayers for more resources for this project. Uh again I just want to show is my my total ties to the the number I showed
you above. So this is my spreadsheet and maybe sometimes people challenge spreadsheets. This number right here is from our from our our financial system. This is IFS, our financial system, and it shows 5.2 million in cash sitting in that fund.
>> Um, okay. I think that's I want again I want to address two assertions. Number one, we didn't provide for FFE and second, we don't have the resources available for the parking or the demo of the 1901 >> Mr. Courthouse.
>> Uh, let's see. I guess Mr. chair. My final thought is this is, you know, for folks that are watching this on YouTube or they read our minutes and if they have questions about the building, uh, I would urge them to call me, send me an email. Uh, we're an open book. Virtually
everything that's happening with this building is a public record, right? >> I was thinking earlier, it's like, okay, what about any of this has been private? Really, only one thing. the board had to have a close session to talk about an offer price when it was going to buy the property. Everything else has been done
and open committees on the whole board meetings and so on. So if anyone has a question, I would say uh please uh give me a call, send me an email, stop by. I'm happy to answer any questions that folks have about the project.
>> Mr. Chair, couple follow-up questions for you. Monty um a couple about a month ago we went through this. >> Oh our our financial statements. Yes. >> Just a the spreadsheet is refer I mean not in this one here but every year it
gets audited. Correct. >> We are audited by law by Yes. By by an external independent auditor. Yes. >> Okay. Now I want you to bear with me because I'm going to read something from Benton County voters from a Daryl Watercott. And I just want to see if
this is a true or a false statement. They have said employee parking at the new government center is going to be uh street parking until the old part of the current courthouse is removed and made un made into a parking lot. This sure
sends the message that they don't care much about the employees or we county residents who will be who will need to fight for parking uh a block away. It says, "And we weren't all and why
weren't all these hidden costs part of the original bids? Who knows or who you know you're going to need parking spaces for employees and county residents? You know, you're going to need furniture." That's right. They didn't even have
furniture costs in the bids. So, we were paying for So, we're paying for all of these uh out of something else. And then it goes on to say the total costs of this this thing is going to be
well over 24 million that was sold to us as such a great deal. We were lied to again. >> Is this a true or a false statement on public on social media? >> Well, Mr. Chair, is uh when the new
building is built, we're still going to have this parking lot behind our building. >> Mhm. >> I'm showing it above on your screen. It's not going away. >> Yep. This parking lot will be there. >> Yep. >> So, in the interim, employees can continue and we'll ask them to continue parking in this lot. Does it mean a
little bit of a walk to the new building? >> Yep. >> Yep. And I should say, Mr. Chair, I we are we are working towards a solution on the old courthouse. We had our first meeting with our group about a week ago. We're meeting with the city soon. Uh so
we are working forward a solution to possibly transform this area into additional parking for the new government center. Uh but for again for initially folks our employees can continue parking in a lot that's behind this building right now. >> Let me rephrase this Monty.
>> Did we account for furniture? >> Absolutely. Yes we did. >> Okay. Have we discussed parking lots and tearing down the old facility >> at length? Yes. >> At length. Yes. So in context, would you agree that this is a false statement? >> Yes, I agree.
>> I just wanted that on the record because what I want to make sure we sit up here and we get attacked on everything we do. >> And when when people are reading things that are unfactual on social media, it
affects a lot of individuals. And I just want to make sure that what people got to uh censor themselves on what they're reading because it gives a different light of what the entire situation is. >> Yeah. Mia, I want to just add is uh is I
I have great faith in our employees that they will uh not choose to park in these prime spots here. As you you can visualize, of course, the new building will be here where I am showing them my mouse. These will be the prime spots in front of the building and also to some
here on 6th Avenue. I have great confidence our employees that they will not take these spots and they will reserve those for the public as they should. Um and and and uh so I I'm confident that will occur. >> With that said, I think we all sit up here. This this should be common sense.
We can't tear down the 1901 building >> until it's empty >> until the new building's up. So therefore moved in. We can't put a parking lot in until then we're moved in. >> Correct. >> Abandoned one building before you can tear it down. >> I I didn't I didn't know if I was missing something or
>> So, yeah. >> Okay. >> So, again, will we ask employees to take a little bit of a walk to get to the new building? Yes. Um but hopefully that's just a short-term issue and it's resolved in short order when when we possibly again convert this to Barking.
Yep. All right. Um, oh, one thing I did fail to mention is, uh, I'm g go back to my, um, let's just jump back up. Just one other issue to think about that I think it's kind of it's responding to the issue of, well,
you know, it's going to go over budget and and so on so forth. I wanted to point out that the construction uh, budget includes almost there, almost there includes a
contingency. So you can see here, I don't have it highlighted, but it says contingency 1 million073. That's 5% of what's called the DDS, the design development estimate. So there's a 5% contingency built into this budget
to help cover change orders and unexpected things that come up. >> So we have a decent contingency built in. And that's all I had, Mr. Chair. Again, just urge folks to to contact me if they got questions. It's we're an open book.
>> Well, and quite frankly, they should be contacting their commissioner because the commissioner should have the answers for them, too. >> If they refuse to get the answers, then that's on them. They don't have to agree with it, but they need the information. >> For two years, we've been an open book. All of our cows and everything, it's all
documented. Everything's right there. All they've got to do is ask for it. all they've got to do instead of being on social media and giving their opinions, which is fine. >> I mean, giving your opinion is fine, but it comes down to facts. >> Do your research.
>> Do your research. and and I'll tell you what with obviously the I'm on AMC board and I'll tell you one of the comments that was made by a by a board member is boy you guys are making a lot of public
um you guys are in a public lot on this building >> and he and this individual actually ended up saying do you realize that you guys are the 27th largest county and out of everything that's going on. Look at where all the other counties are at on
building projects. We are if not close to the lowest priced project in the state for a county. >> Well, look at I was looking at Mer County what they had to do >> because they remodel what their levies did. >> Yeah. >> I mean, ours is respectable compared to
that. Well, I think I shared before I was in Itaskca County in June. They have 2,000 more people than we do. So, let's just say basically the same size. They spent 75 million. And this is this is going around the state that that I mean these projects
are in the 40 50 60 70 million range. We're bonding for 22 million basically and I mean we have taken a be and it's noticed around the state. It is I mean legislators to other county me uh board
members it's it's very well noticed and one of the comments was made to me too is I mean this this goes right to business. It's like you look at businesses that are seeing Benton County in the news. Who wants to move here whether it's true or not. We just read
things into the record that are completely unfactual and this is what people are hearing everywhere. So >> it's borderline gaslighting the situation. It is. >> It's you're you're purposely putting out information that's not true. It's it's beyond disagreeing. It's unfactual.
>> Correct. >> And to their points, they obviously have a right to their opinion. We all do. I'd fight to the end for everybody's opinion. But when you're purposely putting out things that aren't factual, you're gaslighting a situation that's not in very good shape right now
statewide, nationally. You know, just just like Commissioner Gapinsky said, one day we spent 56 meetings that are all documented. >> We did our research. We did our homework. Two years. You know, I
personally have over 450 hours into this facility. I know Commissioner Gapinsky's got a lot more because you're in it. You know, I mean, we've done our homework. [Music] All right, Mr. Chair. Uh, thank you. Uh,
let's see if I can may I move on? Yep. Okay. Health insurance. So, you all got your health insurance packets from from from Beth, and I wanted to mention to you that when we asked the board to adopt the non-un health insurance a while back, uh, we were assump we assumption that the increase is going to
be 5%. Well, we had some discussions with Amy from MMA and some clarification. And you may recall that part of the recommendation was that the deductibles will increase. So 3,400 for single,
6,800 for family. And Amy said under that assumption, the increase should be 3% instead of five. So what you all got in your your packets was a 3% and everyone else non-un folks too, it's a 3% increase rather than five. So it's a
good it's a good news. Good news. >> Thank you. >> Yep. Uh lastly, I want to ask you all, do you have any followup from me or thoughts from me regarding our conversation with the with our county attorney recently? Any potential uh direction, thoughts, what have you.
I'll just leave it at that. >> Well, I think she made it quite clear that she needs a little help. I know it's not budgeted, but >> No, I I think she made it. She I I think we we worked around we we we got an area
to where it helped her out on on the county attorney, the assistant hiring another attorney. >> Yeah. Right. Without any sort of conditions attached to it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, on the other side, I just want to make sure that that
number one, we can find money for it, and number two, it it's got to be give and take >> on on both sides working together and and stuff like that. >> It was a very productive meeting. We'll just see where it where it takes us, >> okay,
>> for the future. That's my opinion. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. just wanted to ask. >> I would say that this is going to be something that'll be ongoing. >> Okay. >> From my standpoint anyway, I'm not
speaking for you guys. >> So, Monte, are you looking for direction from the board as to whether um another office assistant or something like that? Is that what you're looking for direction on or >> Well, um that would be addressed I think
during our budgeting. >> Yes. So if if you're inclined to, you could certainly discuss it uh when you have a budget cal before the end of the year. You could just certainly discuss it then. Yeah. No, I am not looking for direction of of that's up or down at this point. No. No. Okay.
>> That can be discussed later. Yep. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm good. I think there was a lot of things covered in that meeting and I think there's there's got to be more discussion on both sides >> y >> in my opinion. >> Okay,
>> that's all I had, Mr. Chair. >> Okay. >> Okay, >> I guess we're now on to commissioner meeting updates. >> I can go first. >> Okay. Um, I attended uh a Bettton soil
and water meeting on 10:22. Um, interesting. It was the first one I was able to make it to since I was um on the board. Um, and uh we did the BEP quarterly meeting on 10:23
and then um we met in the sheriff's situation room to go over our our county safety plan. basically. Um and then uh and then Scott and I attended a redevelopment of the old co
county government center um meeting. So where I'm at. >> Okay, I'll go next. Uh same thing. Uh but I was at Epic and I ran into a lady. She ran into me.
Um >> was it Avis? No, I just >> Well, she didn't give me the card to Avis, but no. Michelle Schmidz. >> Okay. Uh, and she works, she's for
Excel Energy. And, uh, we had a long conversation about moving that Highline pole. And she also wanted to clarify that if there's something else moving forward in the county, please let her know right away so she can start working on it too. And I said, "That's great
information. I will let Chris know." >> And u >> who I'm sorry, who was that you're talking to? >> Michelle Schmidz >> from >> uh Excel Energy. Oh, >> okay. Do they have like money for us? Do they have money for us? >> No. No. It was just a conversation of
how it went with the poll we had to move that cost us a million dollars and and moving forward. You know, if there's something else that she needs to be aware of, let her know right away so she could start working on the situation. >> Okay. >> Did she didn't she didn't mention that
she worked with Amanda on that million dollars, did she? >> No, we didn't. It was very light because there was a lot. >> Did she? I don't know. I don't know who she worked with on that. >> Yeah. No, but I just wanted to bring that up. It was good conversation. So, okay, done, I think.
>> Okay. All right. Uh, of course, back in October 21st, we had our committee the whole and talked about our local options tax, which we addressed today. Uh, 22nd had a highway 23 uh, and a monthly meeting. Uh, 23rd, our BP quarterly, Tri
County solid waste and a fully care meeting that evening. uh 27th um uh county I can't read my own writing here. Uh >> uh we had our coupe meeting which
commissioner Benoy had mentioned. Um 28th ditch subcommittee meeting uh Commissioner Pop and I were at and then of course that afternoon uh Commissioner Benoy and I had our redevelopment meeting here. Uh Monty brought it up before, but we are trying to schedule a meeting with the city of Foley to get their input and what they foresee in in
this area. Uh the 30th Tri County Solid Waste again, but this time it was with Pope Douglas. It was a joint meeting between the Pope Douglas Board and our board uh transportation alliance yesterday. Commissioner Benoy and I were at that. Um and I did miss Sunday
evening. Commissioner Benoy and I were also at the 4 banquet. And thank you to Commissioner Pop. uh uh his his uh nonpresence created a a spot where he was supposed to be speaking and it ended up being myself a
little bit, >> but it was fine. It ended up just fine. >> They go pretty they're pretty mellow. >> It was a it's a great banquet. It's a great time to honor those those people that volunteer and >> and as we all know when we do the proclamation for the 4 week, we get to
see those future leaders. So, it it's always fun to get to that that banquet. So, >> well, and it's pretty amazing that I mean there was some of them that honestly 40 years of service and >> and more >> in into that. It's >> Yeah.
>> Good recognition. That's it. >> Okay. I thank you for going there. I had actually signed up to try and be there too. But with my children being in basketball and travel basketball and then the fall leagues before the actual leagues get going, it always comes down
to usually it's boys on one day, girls on another. And it and I happen to have both. So, and it just happened to be where there's it would have been over by the time I got there. So, I apologize. Um, we did have a central Minnesota
medical services board um the other day last uh Friday. Um, we didn't have a quorum for about 20 minutes. So, >> yeah. Yeah. And I took the 5 a.m. flight from Bismar in, so I made it.
So we uh um one of the things that we discussed is is uh maybe trying to set up a regional appreciation for medical responders, first responders, everything like that cuz cuz Morrison does a great job at one right now.
>> Really good up at Camp Ripley. So we're going to try and model that after them coming up. So, um, uh, my trip to DC, I think, was was absolutely phenomenal for not there was nobody out there. I mean, there for people wise, but every one of
our legislators was there. >> Everyone, I mean, well, the ones that we were going to meet with, >> but uh, um, we said we seen the whip, Emmer, um, Clolobashar, Smith, all their top aids were there, stuff like that,
and it very well. Um, I thought I think we as a priority. The nice thing is is we had Sterns County out there. We had Jake Anderson, the mayor of St. Cloud, uh, Baton County. >> Just to clarify, mine's not working through APO. >> That was through St. Yeah. St. Cloud
APO. And because I'm the chair, the APO takes care of our >> um, uh, our costs on that. But we were able to push our APO priorities out there. Sherburn was going to be out there, but but Ran Danielski had some personal stuff come up. But we've got a
very good pack that we've started going out there and and really lobbying for central Minnesota. Um we met up with Megan. Phenomenal. Absolutely. Yeah. Great. But um uh one of the things that
came back is is uh their county one county one pro road project is I think I don't want to ruin it, but I think we're in good good spot. So, we need to get we need to get all that stuff. Actually, going from meeting to meeting to
meeting, we came up with a plan that everybody's got to sign a letter. Here's the process we got to do, and they need to get that information right away. As soon as we got it, don't wait for it to be turned in. Let them turn help turn it in. >> Okay. >> So, I think uh I don't And then the
bonding tour that we did, I think that went very well. Um uh I think uh between the state and and uh the feds I think and I think county county road one will become a reality. >> I got Can I I'll do a followup on that.
You know Jerry and I have >> Commissioner Benoy was there too. Commissioner Benoy, but we've testified four or five times already in front of legislators, you know, and everything all all year. We've been at the capital for, you know, I don't know how many
times. We we spent a lot of leg work on this and Chris has been on top of things. >> Chris has been with us the whole time and we are actually gaining a lot of good traction. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I got one other thing to add. So
Brad Brad Burkstrom, superintendent of Soccer Rapids, has been talking to me regularly and uh he opened and asked the question to see if the board would like to meet with their board January 12th, the whole board to just to have a
conversation of what's going on with the building with Cassawan and talk about, you know, what the school wants to do too. So, I just wanted everybody to know that he opened that invitation to the whole board to be there. >> I think it's important too to note that
the city of Sock Rapids, the the school district, Brad Bergstrom, they've been very intricral in all of this. So, >> that's all I have. >> Well, I had pretty much the same thing. the the coupe bitten
um ditch subditch m we had a BEP board meeting after our last deal and there's July 22nd um block that date that's the taste of Benton County it's going to be at the Benton County Fairgrounds um they're hoping to raise in that neighborhood of
15,000 bucks they do have a sponsor already it wasn't um they didn't want it out there who's sponsoring it but it's one of the local banks that's going to sponsor answer that deal. Um they're hoping to sell a fair amount of,
you know, food space and uh it's going to be in the hockey or the >> hockey arena. >> Hockey arena part. >> Hockey arena east. >> Sports arena east. >> Sports east. Yeah. Um they looked at other venues there and that's looked like pretty much the the best one to
have it at. So um couple of things. There's she's got some things coming down the pipe that may benefit Benton County. Um she had mentioned is that could be bigger than uh the magnet
>> non >> um she's always working on something but they're trying to they're trying really hard to make sure they can generate some money without coming back to this board and I really appreciate that. So, >> well that Niron is huge for central Minnesota. >> Oh my god.
>> I mean that they're our neighbor and >> that's going to be big for the area. >> That was all that I had. So committee of the whole >> there is none. >> No, thank you. >> Mr. Chair, I have a very long list for you. >> Better delete it.
>> You need to schedule a final budget cal. Unfortunately, the window for that is fairly small. Typically, it doesn't occur until after the TNT hearing, but then before final budget adoption. And in the middle of all that is the EMC conference.
>> So, uh, your your TNT is December 2nd. Final budget adoption would be December 16th unless you have a special meeting. So, it really leaves like Wednesday the 4th, uh, Thursday, I'm sorry, Wednesday the 3rd of December or two, Thursday the
4th of December or Friday the 5th >> or the following week of the 11th 12th. >> It ain't going to be the 11th. Sorry. >> Excuse me. >> I can't do I can't do the 11th. >> So, you're kind of left in with the
third fourth of the fish. I could do the morning of the third. >> I can't do the fourth or fifth. >> Okay. I can do the morning of the third, too. >> 12:30. >> Yeah. >> 8:30. >> Let me propose this to you, Mr. Chair. >> 6 o'clock. >> It's a final budget discussion, but you
also talk about elected official salaries for >> Y 26. Let me also suggest this to you. How about use it to talk about board and commission assignments for 26? Amen. >> Since there's no change in the county board as of January, could we use that to talk about your appointments to
boards and commissions for 26? Is that okay? >> Often times these organizations are asking, they're already asking for what's your point for 26. >> It'd be nice going into January, we could tell them because you, you know, they're off at meetings right away in January and they want to know like,
okay, who's your appointee first? >> Add that to your agenda. Yep. >> So that is Wednesday the 3 at 8:30. >> 8:30. Y >> Wednesday the third. Uh Chris is here if possible committee of the whole to discuss the local local option sales tax resolution.
>> Do you want to just do you want to try to get that done before the end of the year or um sounds like schedules are filling up pretty quick. So and this the purpose would be to discuss the current list discuss possible projects to add and then set I mean a future hearing
sometime after that cow. >> How about Monday the 15th? of November. >> December negotiations that day all day. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. I didn't I guess we could back into November here.
>> Yep. >> Monday the 15th in November would be tough. >> No, I meant uh that I was December 15th. >> Yeah. Isn't what >> we're here for a cow on the 17th unless
it gets cancelled. >> Yeah, that's >> I know we try to set aside that date for our next tech meeting. >> Yeah. >> 17th. >> Okay. >> How about after the board meeting on the 18th? >> Is there I mean is there going to be
enough stuff for the the other cow? I I have not yet seen an agenda yet, but I know they do want to have one right now. >> Could we do the >> talk about the Salem Salem facility? I know. >> Could we do the 18th after our board
meeting? >> Sure. >> That works for me. >> Yeah. Since we're here, >> November 18th for sales tax discussion. >> I have one other Mr. It's it's about the agenda that's on
your dis AMC is putting on this is really a replacement for it new commissioner training. They're offering something new. Uh I think it is more of a basic uh information for commissioners. It's
January 21st, 22nd 23rd. Begins at noon on the 21st, ends on noon on the 23rd. It's in person at the Intercontinental Hotel in St. Paul, uh, you have an agenda there if you'd like some time to think about it and let let Beth know if
you're interested in attending. Looks like a lot of interesting content. Um, >> again, it's it's in place of AMC's normal new commissioner training. >> Jared, is this going to happen like every other year instead of the new comm, you know, because there is no new commission? >> It's all up in the air right now.
They're going to be there. It's it will it's a work in progress. You mean on the new commissioner stuff? Well, this is, you know, and normally they wouldn't have anything this year because there is no new commissioner. >> So, are they just going to try to replace something with this or >> Oh, I see. >> You know, so we're going to do this
every other year from now. >> They're they're trying to come out with more trainings for everybody to keep them up to speed on things. So, it's >> Oh, >> yeah. I don't have an answer. >> Part of me says, "Yeah, it's a good idea." Part of me says, "Yeah, it's
another expense for all counties to send people down there." >> Yeah. >> Does it make sense to register and then be responsible to let Beth know you're not going >> because you get if you want rooms and if
you wait till January 1st, >> you're not going to get them. >> The issue is fills up or the hotel's full and >> usually these are a uh like a set amount of people too and then they sell out. they would cap it, right? That's true.
>> Yep. >> Well, I'm just going to say it. Be being less than a year in as a commissioner, all this stuff is a learning process for me. So, yes, I would definitely be
interested in going because I think that, you know, as much as I know about open meeting laws and whatnot from being on the township board, there's always new stuff coming out. So, >> I'm interested. I just can't commit yet. But I don't have a problem putting a note on my calendar to cancel it in
time. So >> if Beth finds out what the cancellation date is. >> Yeah, she would. >> I'm interested too. It's just a matter of I'm flying out the 24th for another vacation and I don't know if my wife will let me go. >> You better talk sweet to her. >> Y find out. For sure.
>> We can always ride down. >> You can put me down and I'll cancel the airport. >> Same with me. Well, if there if there's no charge for cancellation, I can I can put down, but I >> No refunds will be issued after January 14th. >> I'll know by then.
>> Well, we got Yeah, we'll know by then. >> So, just put a note on your calendar. The 1st of January. >> Can you make a note? >> Just put them all. >> For the most part, these AMC trainings are very good. >> They are. >> They don't just waste people's time because we talk about that in the We
don't want to have something where we're just wasting people's time and money. >> Exactly. you know, that that uh uh that neutral deal, that mediation deal I went through, >> I literally wanted to leave the the first night. That's how intense it was.
And it was four nights. You learn a lot. So, I won't say that AMC just doesn't put something on to put it on. >> That's all we have, Mr. Chair. >> Motion to approve the cows, Mr. Chair. Second. >> All in favor?
>> I >> I thought there was another one. >> Um, we can always add it. >> Yeah, if you can add it, we can add it. >> I don't know what's at the government
center. I can't >> Oh, um, you're talking about a potential, uh, governor candidate coming to South Rapids. >> Yeah. >> Oh, we adjourn, Mr. or