Good evening. Call to order. Meeting notice statement. Adequate notice of this meeting of the Berkeley Heights Board of Education was given as required by the Open Public Meetings Act as follows. On January 9th, 2025, notice of the board of education meeting schedule was sent to the Star Ledger and the
Courier News and was also provided to all schools PTO presidents and BHA president and posted at the administration building. A copy was also provided to the public library and filed with the municip municipal clerk. Madame
Secretary, may we have a roll call, please? Missary, Miss Bradford here, Dr. Forger here, Mrs. Terrarero here. Mr. Dylan, Mrs. Jolly
here, Mrs. Connor, Mrs. Stanley here. Please rise for the flag salute. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Uh adjourn to executive session. Whereas the Berkeley Heights Board of Education seeks to adjourn to
executive session and is in full compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act NJSA 10:4-6. And whereas the Open Public Meetings Act provides that a public body may exclude the public from that portion of the meeting at which it discusses matters
related to those identified below. Matters rendered confidential by federal law, state law, or court rule. Individual privacy, collective bargaining agreements, purchase or lease of real property if public interest could be adversely affected. Investment of public funds if public interest could
be adversely affected. Tactics or techniques utilized in protecting public safety and property, pending or anticipated litigation, attorney, client privilege, personnel, employment matters affecting specific, prospective, or current employees. Be it resolved that
the Berkeley Heights Board of Education adjourns to exe executive session to discuss matters related to students legal matters pending receipt of signed MOA and personnel and be it further resolved that the minutes of the discussion of any of these items will be discussed to the public sorry disclosed
to the public when matters have been determined and confidentiality is no longer applicable. May I please have a motion to enter into executive session? So moved. Thank you, Mrs. Terrarero. Second. Second. Thank you, Mrs. Jolly. Uh, voice vote.
I The time is 6:32. Okay. We will return in approximately an hour. Uh, good evening. The board is back from executive session. May I have a motion
to return to public session? So move. Thank you, Mrs. Stanley. A second. Second. Thank you, Mrs. Terrero. Uh, voice vote. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Good. Okay. The time we're returning is 7:49.
Okay. Yes. Uh Dr. Felry, we have two new uh student Well, Zudie, one new student representative, one returning. Uh would you mind introducing our student representatives? Absolutely. Thank you. All right. Um, I would like to welcome
and introduce uh Pippa Rhybackers and Howard Aerson uh who are our student representatives to the board of education for this next school year. Pippa is a senior at GL and a member of the GL varsity swim team, the track team, and the varsity tennis team where
she plays first doubles. Congratulations. At school, Pippa is part of the executive board for Interact and the student ambassadors club. Pippa has also been a volunteer intern at the Wharton Music School where she helps children with music
helps children with music reading, singing, and communicating and playing games. In her spare time, Pippa enjoys singing and is taking lessons to further that endeavor. Maybe you'll grace us sometime. Howard is a junior at GL and currently
works as the produce manager for Asparaculus Acres. Asperolis Acres, thank you. At the Scotch Plains Farmers Market, where he has contributed to significant produce sales over the past three seasons. Salesman. H. All right. Looking forward to that. At school,
Howard holds many leadership positions in GL organizations, including student council treasurer and vice president of the Future Business Leaders of America. Howard also participated in leadership in the 21st century at Montlair State University, a program exploring civic
engagement, innovation, and cultural expression. Howard looks forward to pursuing future opportunities in the business field. I invol I invite you both to now present your student representatives reports. The mic is on. Yeah. Okay. Uh, good
evening members of the board. My name is Howard Aerson and I am the new student liaison for this year. I'm excited to share what's happening on the hill. That will be my theme of the whole entire uh year. So, uh to start in August, uh we began with
freshman orientation where our incoming freshmen got a warm welcome at their new home. I had the opportunity to serve as part of the freshman leadership team, helping students find their classrooms, meet new friends, and start the year with confidence. Over these past few weeks, uh, students have been settling
back into the rhythm of school. They've been, uh, buzzing with excitement and energy. Clubs have also been coming back to life. Interact club and soon auxiliary club have both had their interest meetings this week. And our annual club expo, which is a big hit every single year, will be taking place on October 1st, giving students the
ability to explore all the extra extracurricular opportunities available. Uh, tomorrow, our seniors will be kicking off their final year with uh, some traditions of their own. As you can see in the senior parking lot, they have been uh decorating their cars with like the regular uh senior stuff like that.
And then tomorrow is the favorite uh senior sunrise, which is a symbolic start to the senior year and a moment to celebrate the journey ahead. Looking forward, the back to school night is coming up on September 25th where parents and guardians will have the opportunity to uh meet with their
teachers and learn about what's happening in the classrooms. Finally, next Friday learn uh marks our first pep rally of the year, which is a favorite tradition at Gio that brings a whole school together and will show spirit and build excitement for Friday night lights, which Pipa will uh address a
little bit. So, thank you so much. Hello everyone. It's great to see you all again for the 2025 to 2026 school year. The incoming school year also presents our new junior year, Representative Howard, and I'm looking forward to working with him together. We also are on Interact Club together, so
we are familiar with each other. Um although it's only September, the sport season is already in full swing. Uh for fall sports, we currently have girls and boys soccer, girls field hockey, girls tennis, girls volleyball, and cross country. There have already been many achievements across all teams, and I'm going to share a couple. GL varsity
volleyball started their season opener with a 2 win at Chattam and also won in two sets against Union Catholic yesterday. Although not directly related to cross country, Tyler Weissman won the New York Road Runners back to school mile race with a PR of 434. And in case you're not familiar with track, that is
very good. He is also a member of the Garden State Track Club Junior Elite program and participates in cross country and the other track season. So a huge congratulations for him for this achievement. Alongside that, GL field hockey won against Elizabeth 4 and0 in the summer before school and they also
host a car wash to support their team. Lucille Metto committed to Eastern University for deal D3 field hockey. So another congratulations to her. The boys varsity soccer team beat Lynon yesterday. The girls varsity soccer team beat Union Catholic yesterday. And Keith man also committed to Felician
University for D2 baseball. So another congratulations to him. My own team, the girls varsity tennis team, beat New Providence for the first time in seven years. And we had our first day of counties today, which I heard went well. I compete tomorrow. The GL football team won 36 to 28 against JFK. And the star
players of this team include Dominic Leesi, who ran the ball 40 times, 240 yards, and had five touchdowns. So, I think he is player of the week. David Dorset and Mark Capelli also combined for 10 tackles. And we're looking forward to Friday nights Friday night lights next Friday, the 26th. I expect
to see tons of school spirit, so go Highlanders. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Feltry. Thank you. All right. We've had a wonderful opening to the school year. The staff warmly
greeted the students and the classrooms are full of energy and enthusiasm for learning. I've had the good fortune of being able to attend the four elementary schools back to school nights. While I was unable to attend CMS back to school night, I know Dr. Maher was able to attend and I heard wonderful feedback
about that night. Dr. Maher was also in attendance at several of the elementary school back to school nights. So, we've had a busy couple of weeks. Uh, the overwhelming attendance at the back to school nights highlights the strong partnership between our schools and the community. It is truly inspiring to
witness so many parents actively engaging with our dedicated staff. This collaborative spirit is a cornerstone of our educational philosophy, fostering an environment where students feel supported and encouraged to excel. The energy and enthus enthusiasm shared
during these evenings was palpable. During the back to school nights, the principal shared information about the upcoming strategic planning meetings for the fall. The um this is an open invitation for the community, staff, and students to participate. The first meeting will be held here in the GLHS
cafeteria next Wednesday, September 24th from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. The future two meetings are Tuesday, October 28th from 6:30 to 8:00 p.m. and Monday, November 24th from 6:30 to 8:00 p.m. We are asking those wishing to attend to RSVP
as we want to be sure to have enough space and materials for all participants. Please refer to your email or visit the website to RSVP. A little notice will pop up in your face to RSVP if you'd like to and future reminders will be sent out as well. I took the
advice of the student representatives and made sure to text students because they told me that students uh read texts more than email. So, I was happy to get that advice. Not sure if they read the text or not, but we'll find out. Uh the
principles also shared information about the upcoming referendum. Concept boards with QR codes, trifolds, and business cards were available at each school. The referendum web page has also been updated with additional information for the community.
Um last night, Wednesday, September 17th, the Governor Livingston Counseling Department hosted the 2526 senior college and career night. The program was very well attended by students and families of the senior class. During the evening, the counseling team presented
comprehensive post-secondary planning information, including opportunities at two and four-year colleges, vocational and trade schools, and military programs. Counselors also reviewed important topics such as admission responsibilities and timelines, teacher
recommendations, use of the Naviance platform, and available services for students with disabilities. For those unable to attend, the full presentation has been shared in each senior's counselor specific Google classroom and is also available on the Governor
Livingston Counselor Department website. On Monday, October 6th, Governor Livingston High School will host the 2025 College and Career Fair. To date, more than 100 college and career representatives have confirmed their participation and will be available to
meet with our Berkeley Heights students and families. These admission counselors are the professionals who directly review student applications during the admissions process. The event is open to all students and families and neighboring communities have also been invited to attend. A flyer which
includes a QR code linking to the full list of participating colleges and career organizations is available on the district website and displayed throughout the high school. Um, once again, the board appreciates hearing from the community. When communicating with the board, please be sure to email
using the email address bhpsj.org so that all board members receive the email. And thank you. And that concludes my report for tonight, Madame President. Thank you, Dr. Feltry. Um, Madame Secretary. Just one question, uh, one comment. Um,
Dr. when the community is emailing um the board, please CC our business administrator so she can log it. She's on that. Oh, she is. Okay. She's part of that. Yes. Thank you. I just had a follow up on that. So So who is previously on the district
website? I believe all the board members had their individual email ids listed. Now we don't see them anymore. Yeah. That's that's for safety reasons. So board spamming. Yeah. the individual like you will you will notice for all staff
members there are no staff member emails no board that's for for safety reasons for spam okay and the BOE at bhpsj.org Who's all in it? The board. Uh-huh. Me. Yeah. And the board secretary. It's just six people.
Yes. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Well, it's 10. Yeah. No. So, basically other than the board, there are two additional Okay. And who those are the only people that have access to that inbox. Okay. Thank you.
Madame Secretary, could you give us a report of the business and communications? Yeah, we have. Can you hear me? Okay. Now, can you hear me now? So, we have uh communication uh it's an
email lower Columbia proate from Deborah Bernarin and the response from Natasha Jolie Jolly sorry and then for the report. So, welcome to the new school year. I hope the year started safely and smoothly for all. On
behalf of the district and our supervisor of buildings and grounds, Rick Romano, I want to extend our sincere appreciation to our custodial and maintenance staff. Their hard work over the summer ensured our schools and grounds were fully prepared and the pride that they take in their work is evident throughout our buildings and
property. We are truly grateful for their dedication. Uh construction update. So, the WWE toilet upgrades are complete with a few small items left. Roof replacements at WWE and CMS CMS are
complete and watertight with remaining edge and panel work to be finished outside of school time. Uh, the roofer is providing cost estimates for additional roof work at WWes, GHS, and Mountain Park. The gym floor work is nearly finished as well with the CMS
gold gym is ready for use. The blue gym will be complete by October 9th and the GHS red gym is finished refinishing will be completed later this month. As far as the Governor Livingston High School press box, uh it's on schedule. Um
the old press box has been demolished. Permits are being coordinated and foundations are beginning this week. Delivery of the new press box is is planned for late October. The district is coordinating temporary power, fencing, and rail adjustments as part of the project transportation. On behalf of
the business office and transportation department, I'd like to thank our families, community members, and staff for their patience, feedback, and understanding during these first few days of the school year. As we work through the usual transportation bumps that come with the new year,
your support and cooperation have made all the difference, and it's truly appreciated. And then finally, an audit update. So, Subly Clooney and Company remain on track to complete the annual comp comprehensive financial report by the required deadline.
The GA The GASB75 reports have not yet been released. However, the Division of Pensions has indicated that they should be available soon. The compensated absences report has been received and will be reviewed as part of the audit process. And in addition, we are still waiting for the state's release of the
on behalf numbers which will also be incorporated once available. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much. Comments from the public on agenda items. During this portion of the meeting, district residents and staff are invited to
address the board of education on agenda action items only. The board requests that individuals state their name, town of residence, or school of attendance for the record. Reminder to online. If you want to be unmuted and heard, please have your first and last name visible.
All comments should be directed to the board president and depending upon the nature and complexity of the question, it may or may not be answered during the meeting by the administration. If so, the response would occur after the public portion of this meeting has concluded. Although the board may not
respond to all items raised during the public forum, all public comments will be considered. The board asks that members of the public be courteous and mindful of the rights of other individuals when speaking. Specifically, comments regarding personnel matters are discouraged and cannot be responded to
by the board. Students and employees have specific legal rights afforded by the laws of New Jersey. The board bears no responsibility, nor will it be liable for any comments made by members of the public. Please note that if any member of the public becomes disruptive during the meeting, the board president may
terminate the participant statement. Continued disruptions may result in removal from or adjournment of the meeting. Each speaker statement will be limited to three minutes in duration. Is there anyone in person who would like to make a comment on agenda items only?
I see no one. Um I see no one online also. Is that correct? Correct. Okay, moving on. Uh, may I have a motion please for resolution A in minutes all board members?
So moved. Thank you. Uh, that was Mrs. Jolly. Oh, Mrs. Terror. Thank you. And a second. I'll second. Thank you, Mrs. Jolly. Okay. All right. Um, let's move on to roll call vote.
Mr. Carrie? Yes. Dr. Borger? Yes. Mrs. Terrarero, yes. Mrs. Jolly, yes. Mrs. Stanley, yes. Miss Bradford, yes.
Moving on to finance resolutions A through N. All board members, resolution O, Berkeley Heights only. May I have a motion to move that forward? So moved. Thank you, Mrs. Jolly. Uh, second,
Deb. Second. I'm sorry. It goes to P. Sorry. On our new one. Yes. Um, may I please have uh call upon the chairperson of the finance and facilities committee to report to all board members?
Yes, you may call. Thank you, Dr. Forger. All right. Uh we met uh September 5th I think this yeah September 5th uh we talked about the impact of the township decision about turf at CMS the township
recreation department gave up on the idea of artificial turf the field at lower Columbia field at I'm sorry gave up on the idea of artificial turf at lower Columbia field citing a high probability of lack of NJ
approval as it is wetlands, probable wetlands. Uh it would have been nice to know about this concern prior to the contract negotiations. Uh shared service agreement. We talked about the shared service agreement for vehicle maintenance. Uh this would be
done by the township of Berkeley Heights. So we would continue to pay for premium gas for vehicles that take regular gas. The agreement is for approved is on for approval tonight. um homeschooled students and testing AP with proctor. There are associated costs
for a separate proctor, but the overall cost may not exceed $100 or so. So, we were okay with this student will not be tested with our students in the same rooms. Wilson contract opportunity. Uh we had a question about the legality
of such an agreement in light of bidding and quotation laws and we're waiting further information on that. Um also I believe the contract according to Jennifer the business administrator's recommendation there were no numbers on
that right there were there were no actual figures and clearly with supporting information correct further clarification was given the athletics yeah thank you okay and uh there was a YMCA before and after care contract
uh about 59,000 dollars for the 2425 school here with a 3% increase to 61,000. Um I think we approved that at the last board meeting. We talked about the uh
adequacy. There's a thing called an adequacy budget uh which is what the state thinks is uh the amount the amount necessary for a thorough and efficient education and we are about uh 9 to 14 million above that
and we asked for um some explanation of where is that 9 million uh and I later gave her I I later gave Jennifer the uh documentation on the model itself. 12. So, we're going to
find out, I guess, eventually. Where's the 9 million? Uh, then we talked about the construction updates and you got a full briefing on that from Jennifer. So, there you go. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Dylan is not here
tonight, so we are going to go on to I have his minutes. Sorry. Yeah. Are you gonna read them? Yes. That's fine. Go. Did you want to read them? No. No. No. You go. Okay. All right. Mr. Dylan sent these, I think, to Mrs. M. Terrero and myself. Um, the meeting was
held on 9:17 at 3 PM. Topics were the press box update. Demolition is complete and came in under budget. The new press box installation will be delayed after facing permitting delays. New target date is late October. Demo crew was able to remove some of the debris the county
dumped on GL land up by the old tennis courts. The Wilson Evo Shield baseball contract that Dr. Forger was just talking about this company is asking for exclusive rights to partner with GL baseball because of our outstanding season last year for equipment and
apparel sales. Since this is outside of the schoolisssued uniforms and gear, the committee has asked that this request be redirected to the GL booster club. Communication. All nonGL students at UCVTS mainly are set up now to receive
all athletic and club related communications through the Google classroom. And thank you very much to Mr. Markx. Girls Flag football committee re uh committee remains supportive of this initiative. The athletic director is awaiting an official proposal from the interested parent group which will
be reviewed and presented as soon as it is received. And for Friday night lights and Saturday night lights, we encourage all Berkeley Heights and Mountainside School District residents to come out to the GL Turfield for Friday night lights and Saturday night lights on no sorry
September 26th and September 27th. Some late cancellations have Saturday's schedule and opponents in limbo right now, but for the athletic department is now working on alternative plans. Are there any questions on committee
reports or anything under the finance and facilities resolutions? Um yes. So I have a question um for the EVO contract with the baseball team. So are they asking like what is the nature of it? Do they want like given that the team did so well right last year? Do
they want to pay us to wear their stuff or like or they just want us to buy from them? No, they're going to do a little fundraising based on the success of the GL uh baseball team, but any fundraising that we do would be for the booster club and they would get 20% of that, but it
has nothing to do with the district. Right. Okay. And so then I do have um a discussion sorry a discussion topic um so we in finance, right? So, we see a couple of check numbers, right, that um I kind of want to talk about um since
I've kind of um you know, voted against them, voted them down in prior sessions. So, two uh I'll speak about two of them because they relate to the Bush Law Firm, which is no longer our right, right? Right. They're no longer um
contracted with us, but they were um our I guess Oprah attorney. We had a dedicated Oprah attorney. um in the prior fiscal year. Correct. Because they were the le the least expensive. They were the alternate board attorney. Yeah. Okay. So um our former BA as we know
used to send all OPER requests to the attorneys. On November 21st of last year um he in an email to some board members and administrators, he stated, "Legally each request must be reviewed by our attorney before it can be released to
ensure compliance with applicable laws. what may be appropriate for one requesttor may not necessarily apply to another as each oper may involve different circumstances. Um so then I guess the question for Bush would have been how does a law firm determine what's appropriate for me
versus another requesttor but that's later on. January 7th meeting so starting in January 7 2025 we had the following exchange with Mr. Distler. I asked whether it was a legal requirement. Um, as AJ had stated that each OPRA needs to be reviewed by
attorneys. Mr. Distler confirmed it was not a legal requirement. I also asked when an OPRA request is fulfilled. Does it mean that the OPRA material that response is now a matter of public record to all? Mr. Dissa said yes with a couple of caveats. the caveats being um
an OPRA a parent might um have for their students records or an OPRA that um an employee might have for their employment records. So, I'm holding out the Bush bills not because of all the individual OPRAS that were sent, but particularly
because like you know they did the work because they were asked, but I'm holding out the um bills because of the Oprah of Oprah requests. You know, in the past, we used to actually publish Opas on web on public on our website. If you go back and look at our website, we have Oprah
responses from 2223, but now all of a sudden we have to pay attorneys to essentially review the work that they've already done in releasing those documents. So, and Dr. Felry, I know even as today you said, well, this is what was done in
the past. You know, we can't ask him. I have been speaking to you about it since the very beginning. And so those answers could have been, you know, received from Bush or from AJ, you know, prior to, you know, prior to today. So, just to give
you an example of what I'm talking about, there was um an Oprah request April 2nd um for requests from January through March that cost 14 $1,400. So, $1,480.
So, this was somebody opening the responses for previous OPER requests for three months. There was also um a charge related to an email back in January that Mrs. Auri had sent requesting AJ to send her the materials that were provided via
OPRA. She did not send it to the Oprah mailbox. She did not provide the required attestations. There was no mention that this is an Oprah request yet. This was sent to the attorneys. And I don't know on what basis the attorneys determined that this was an Oprah request again because
legally you have to provide certain attestations. So one second. Yeah. So anyway, so that was um so that and that cost $1,850. From May 6 uh from January through May 16th we've been build um 12,173 for
Oprah work of which 3,300 was related to Oprah Verra requests. Again, this is based on my estimates. So, um that's why I wanted to um you know, and that's my rationale because we still have not and got we have not
gotten and I've asked since the beginning of the year while Bush was still employed. What is the legal basis of re-reviewing and you know the OPER requests that were that they previously vetted and where the documents were released to the public and none of those
OPER requests were related to uh personnel records or um child student records. Then I know that in the past, you know, Pam said like and others have said that, oh um you know, AJ did the fiscally responsible thing by sending
every um Oprah request to a lower price law firm, but a he wasn't legally required to do it. But just to give you an example of the money that we wasted, um September 9th, I had to um Oprah an email that was shared with TAP regarding
unpaid bills. Gail, you were on that email. AJ was on that email. I asked for that email to be sent to me for three days. No one did anything. So, I had to operate that. So, that Oprah cost $481. Curriculum committee meeting minutes for
May and June 2024 cost $888. But right now, we actually publish minutes, so I don't know why that was needed. So, it was not fiscally responsible. But anyway, getting back to the Bush bills, my concern is um with the Oprah of Oprah charges. Thank you. Is there any other discussion
items, Mrs. Stanley? So, one, right? Like I think you took a statement of mine in particular and you made it your own version of it, but that was not actually what was stated by me, but um no, no, excuse me. Um but I actually have a bigger question is I
think that this opens us up to legal um liability by discussing this in public. some of this. I think there was a couple statements made that could be used against us. Um because we do owe them money um because I I didn't hear
anything in that statement that says that we don't owe um Bush the money that they are charging us and so I think it opens us up to legal um right because they can use this session. Thank you. If they do decide to sue us for not paying the bills.
Can we ask our board attorney about that? So if you're going to ask I have a follow up on that. Yes. No. When Mr. Dler's done. Yeah. So there are two part when Mr. Dissler's done. Thank you. Yeah. If the question is in a lawsuit what is said in this room can be used both for
and against the board. Right. The answer is there's no question. Right. So if the board has any concern of what they may say um could be detrimentally relied upon. And I always want to bring up the the view of one board member does not represent the view or position of the full board. So every board member has
the right to share their view, but that doesn't mean that's the view of the board. But yes, I think if there's any statements that you're concerned about that uh could be relied upon in a lawsuit. Obviously, this is a public meeting, uh we can see there that it's being streamed and obviously recorded. So certainly every board member should be wary of that possibility.
Mrs. Ziri. Yeah. So regarding the same OPRA bills and what like Natasha mentioned, I think I requested the acting then acting superintendent last year looking at the number of bills that we are getting for Oprah of Oprah like
already if somebody put in an Oprah request it was reviewed by this law firm which we contracted to provide professional services, professional legal services and if somebody else said okay please provide everything that was released by the district under OPRA uh I
think the expectation Mr. Distler is the professionals under the clause of professional services. The attorney firm should say okay if these are the documents that were reviewed by our firm for the last 3 months and now somebody's asking to release those these documents have already been released. So they're
are public documents. Whatever redactions had to happen had happened. Why was there a necessity for this firm to go ahead and re-review them and bill for us? Is that considered professional? So I I I can't I I don't know if I can
personally comment on behalf of another law firm. Okay. In regarding their bills, right? I think that's a question for that specific law firm. I believe you mentioned it's been asked, but you know I until they answer that question, I don't know. I can't again I don't feel comfortable. I reached out to like you know someone else's I don't know the answer.
So I reached out to the attorney of the line day at New Jersey School Boards Association and yes under professional services if there is any wastage or something that is not expected. So my other concern is as a board member I asked the acting superintendent and the
business administrator for information that was released under OPRA. These are public documents and for my email request to be turned around and converted into an OPRA deemed just by individual action and then expecting us
to pay $1,800 is not professional in my opinion because for one for an OPAR request I need to say I'm requesting this information under open public records act. Two, for any documents to be released under OPRA, I need to say I
need to put all these disclaimers that I'm not convicted. I'm not going to use this material. I did not do number one or number two. So, I don't understand how an email from a board member to the super to the administration asking for these require documents automatically
got turned and then now we are sitting on a bill for $1,800. So, that is still an out outstanding question and I feel that was not professional. Thank you. Um I have a question on one of the finance items here. J so I think we're still on
the topic. So I think yes, Mrs. Stanley had her hand up next and then was it Mrs. Terrarero? Oh, I was gonna talk about something else. Okay. Sorry. Um because obviously and and I don't know because I haven't looked at the
bill if every piece of that bill pertains to your concern. So, in other words, and I don't really know what the dollar amount is, but let's just say the dollar amount that we owe them is $10,000 and we're arguing over $2,000. What's the appropriate way how to handle
it rather than denying not paying the bill altogether? Is there a better way to do that? I think we might be crossing on the point that Miss Stanley's making that if we're going to have this discussion and it's one that I think the board seems to want to have
uh certainly have the discussion public as to your view of the bill but if we're going to get into litigation strategy negotiations defense uh or rationale and questions particularly for me on the legal end we may recommendation possibly would to move into executive session again the discussion of the bill if
you'd like to have that is a public discussion that is not for me but if you're going to ask legal advice case particularly with relation to the bill. My recommendation again if you if it's your call if we want to go into executive or not but if we want to just talk about like again defense the bill things like that comment just sorry just to clarify right
like so any comment we make about why we are or are not paying the bill could put us in legal waters that you would suggest going to expect. So for purposes of the attorney client privilege, right? Right. Those questions have to be to me, right? So it's you're seeking legal
advice from me if you want to. And again, I agree with you, right? So board member, you don't have to make the comment, but if you're going to make general comments of your belief on whether what you know, the reasons and the like that there's no doubt that if there there's a lawsuit,
they have the right to pull this in discovery and or pull it off your website. Um but again for purposes of what is an executive session topic I can't say that you can have all parts of this discussion in executive session because really it would only be the parts related to the attorney client privilege that I can ethically say we
can go for and talk about it. Right. So just to clarify I my decisioning around these is because I have asked a question numerous times um of the administration because I don't have direct access to the attorneys and I it has not been answered. But I
personally believe some of that can get us in legal trouble, right? Because you're kind of admitting that you're not paying them for a specific reason, not because you don't owe them money. And I Well, I I don't know if we do, right? Because I don't understand because because of the question.
Okay. I'm going to end I'm going to end this discussion right now because it we're getting into Yeah. I just want to say I didn't answer your question. Is there a piece of this that isn't attorney client that you want to ask me? Because I didn't I No, I think Okay, that's what I want. Listen, if the issue is what's going on with this particular bill, we need to address it
if it needs to be addressed in executive session to resolve this and move forward. Kicking the can down the road is not helping the situation. So, if if there's something that needs to happen and maybe we do it at the end of this meeting, but I don't think the right
thing to do is just say we're not going to pay the bill and then wait until next month. Like, I think we need to sort this out so we can move forward. That's my opinion. Thank you. Any other discussion on this? Yes, Mrs. Stanley. Oh, I just wanted to thank uh the Rotary
Club and the Columbia Middle School PTO for their donations. Um our our district can't do what we do without you guys and your amazing donations to our teachers and our staff and our buildings. So, we really really appreciate it. Definitely. Thank you for our donations.
Um any other discussion? Yeah, I have a question on Mrs. the query on J under finance. It's the approved use of facilities for Governor Livingston auditorium. So I see the renting entities and the dates. So for the first one listed in the table
here for performing arts for May 8th and May 9th we're saying the approximate cost is 1,500. Um and then for the second entity it's Eli Performing Arts and there are June 8th, June 9th, June 12th, June 13th and
June 14th. So these are 1 2 3 4 5 days and the approximate cost is 4,850. So I want to understand what is the average rate for rate per day because for one of the entity two days are being charged at
1500. So if I were to calculate it's 750 per day but for the other entity we are saying the board needs to approve it at 4850. So if somebody can advise me what's the average rate for day.
So I just just from my I I'm asking from the administration. Yeah. Into it. But from my personal information, right? It depends on what they're using. Right. Sometimes they use our staff and our sound systems, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they use the rooms behind the theater to get
changed into, sometimes they don't. So it depends on all of those things. So it's not just a rate per day because it depends on what they're using. But I will go to the this administrator. So what I can say to this um as far as what
was charged I don't have the background information of that. I can say that we are looking to look at this and develop it further so it is standard across the board and clear. No, but this is for the same facility, right Jennifer? I know we've discussed in finance about coming
up firming up with overall facilities use policy uh on based on certain parameters, but I'm asking this is an approximate cost. So will the board so you don't have to answer it right now but if you can email us later
on based on past president for GL if it was auditorium if it was for 2 days how much was it and how much is it if it is more than two days right I'll be happy to provide you with a breakdown yeah I'll have to like and we we rent this facility all the time so that's one of my question
yes Dr. forger. Well, that's interesting. I in my report I forgot I forgot there's a page I didn't get to on preliminary discussion on use of facilities. We are waiting some survey data on rates at other districts. So, thank you.
Any other discussion items? Okay, Madam Secretary, roll call vote. Can I make a motion something before we do that? Um, the motion is is the motion related to finance items on the agenda.
Yeah, that's why I think I should do it now. That's why I'm saying I'd like to make a motion to specifically table. No, but there is Debbie. There's a motion and a second on this. So, we have to vote on this on approving A2P. Yeah.
If you had to move Let her finish, please. It's it's specifically related to A through but I don't think that's in the best interest actually because of the emails that have been going back and forth that they do need to be voted on by the board because legally right they they know the
county right so tableabling them is not going to be to our benefit but if you do want to do an exact session after well that's what I think that's I don't think we should vote specifically on this yet and go into an exact session but I think that would go against what
you need county We've we voted on these bills before, so it's nothing new, right? Okay. Well, then can we make a motion to go? It doesn't have to be now. We can do it at the end of the meeting to go back into exact session to specifically discuss that.
Does everyone have all the information needed for that? I don't have the information needed. So, but that's a separate Debbie, not to be respectfully right. There is a motion and there is a second. So we need to vote on what's been motioned and seconded and then you have your
opportunity to do whatever you want to do. Not true. But but I can ask Mr. Dysler Dissler. So there is a motion on the floor to approve A2P the finance section and it was already seconded. Now if a board
member wants to make another motion, don't we first have to vote on A? Depends on the motion. I believe again I I don't know what the motion is. Yeah. So that's what No, but can if the motion is to approve A through P. I don't know what.
No, my motion is basically to go back into an accession. It doesn't need to be now. It can be at the end of the meeting to specifically so that the board can actually discuss a little more in detail what some of these concerns are in private if you're saying that we shouldn't be doing it public. So if it's
just a motion to go into executive session at the end of the meeting, I would I think we can again that's a little different than a secondary motion like I was thinking maybe like a table or the like. If it's just that motion, I would vote on this. Make your impression make your statement known that that I want to do. Yes. And then you can vote on this and then you can make the motion following
this because I I don't think you make it was a motion to go into executive session right now. That's all different. But I don't want to make the public wait. Yeah. So then just I think you made your pension known and then you can move to move add to the agenda go to exact session. Hey thank you madam secretary roll call
vote for finance. This is a car. Um I am a no on A for payment and payroll and bills on check numbers 212 340 212438
212756 212630 and I'm also a no on U C and yes to the rest. Dr. for
I'm on a I'm a no on checks 212340 212438 212756 and no on 212630. Yes on the other checks and payroll and
yes on B through P. Yes on Can you repeat that? Did you say B as in boy through P as in Peter? P. The last one is P, right? Correct. So, yes on all the others. B through the end. Mrs. Terrero.
Yes. Mrs. Jolly. Yes. To all except check number 212340, 212438, 212756, and 212630. Mrs. Stanley, yes to all.
Mrs. Ms. Bradford, yes to all. Okay. Checks 212340 24 212438 212756 212630
do not pass. All other motions pass. Thank you. Moving on to No, I did. I was going to make my motion. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Mrs. Terrero. You want to know what the motion is before you make it? Do you want to tell me where I should? Uh, I think you if you based on your
intent, I think you would like to motion to amend the agenda to add the an executive session following new business, old business, whichever is the last. That would be I think the agenda the motion you're attempting to make, right? Yeah. Debbie, before you make that motion, my only request is we have
scheduled a finance and facility committee meeting tomorrow afternoon and I believe we have already invited the architect to be there. So as it is our meetings go till 12. So if our meetings were running until 11:30 or 12, we were
canceling the next day's meeting because of the time and then we need to review the documents and go prepared to that meeting. So if it is going to be after the meeting which is 11:30 or 12 which is what we normally end up with my only
request is let's just advertise it and do it for next put it on the exact session for next meeting because I personally can't be asked it's a volunteer role. I agree and I'm here till 12:30 and I'm expected to be tomorrow afternoon from
12:30 to you know whatever 1 to I think it's 2 to 4 or whatever. So my only request is I I have to go to work early tomorrow morning. I I don't think and also if I were to have a meaningful discussion about these these bills, we
don't have them here. Natasha went and reviewed them. I saw them previously. I don't have my notes here on which ones that we are questioning. I know if your exercise is to go basically say, "Hey, we owe them $10,000. Let's see which ones are problematic." We don't have any
of that information. So we'll be talking based on off of our memory. So I don't think it will be a productive executive session when we do not have the bills here or the highlighted information. That's my concern. But it might be worthwhile to discuss the course of
action. I think how we proceed going forward and what information we do plan in place. That that's really what it I'm sorry. I can hear. Could you speak a little louder? Mrs. I think we need to get a p plan in place and and listen, it's 8:30. So then maybe this is motivation for us to try to
finish sooner so we can get to it. I love it. Okay. So I'm going to make a Now I forgot what my lotion to amend the agenda to add an executive session following business. So I make a motion to amend
the agenda to go back into an executive session at the end of the meeting after new business so we can have a discussion on legal matters on legal matters.
Okay. May I have a second on that? I'll second that. Is there any discussion on that? I agree with Mrs. Akira. I don't have enough information to make a good decision on anything tonight. Um,
it's not going to be decisioning. We need to have a like a plan of action, right? So, if you you know, but write down the list of like what information you require. I can give you a little bit further background on and I think you were copied on all the emails that I've sent to Dr. Felture regarding this
matter. So, I saw that. So, we can discuss what we're going to do going forward. No, no decision can be made in exact session anyway. Correct. Saying no is not helping. Like we need to address it. Okay. Um a roll call vote.
So what is state? Just state the motion again. A motion to amend the agenda to executive session to discuss legal matters at the end of after what? after uh old business. After old business. Oh, after old business.
And I and you will need so just to clarify if some of us are not going to stay to close the meeting, you do need a quorum. Correct. Yes. Correct. Well, the meeting will end letting you know I told upfront that I
have my work commitment and I have a committee meeting. Let's let's move on. Let's motivate and try to get done early. That's fine. I'm I'm not staying. I wasn't planning on doing this. Debbie, my mom's had a surgery. So, okay, we have a roll call vote.
Okay. Mr. Kerry, no. Dr. Forger? No. Mrs. Jolly, yes. Mrs. Stanley, yes.
Mrs. Terrarero, yes. Miss Bradford, yes. Motion passes. So, we'll meet for executive session to discuss legal matters following old business tonight. Moving on now.
Moving on to personnel. And may I ask the chairperson of personnel to May I ask the chairperson of the personnel committee to give their report? Now I know that that person is not here tonight. So would that be Mrs.
Terrarero? Who's going to be giving that? Oh, Mrs. Stan I'm sorry, Mrs. Stanley. Thank you. Excuse me. President Bradford, would you take a first and second motion prior to that? Prior to I apologize. Yes. May I have a motion to move personnel?
Yes. Okay. Yes, Mrs. Akiri. And a second. Second, Mrs. Jolly. Thank you. Personnel committee. And that would be Mrs. Stanley. So, the personnel committee met on September 10th at 9:00
a.m. Um, we had one action item for um tonight, which is the Dungeons and Dragons Club proposal. Um, they are becoming a formal club. They have very minimal requests and are fundraising for
most of their costs. Um, we discussed the two-year process they went through to establish this formal club. Um, and they have approximately 22 members. We are excited to see them achieve their goal and it's on the agenda for tonight. Um the we also discussed the AP and
honors physics classes. Um unfortunately we have two staff members out on medical leave. Um so we talked about the coverage that we are going to have. Um so for our honors classes that teacher has a definitive date that they're coming back. Um, so for the honors
classes until then, we are going to have a New Jersey certified uh AP physics teacher teach through the New Jersey center of for teaching and learning and JCTL. Um, and then that teacher will um come
back in November. Um then for the AP uh classes we discuss the eagerness of our staff to get involved and we have two teachers covering the AP um physics and that way we completely cover our
students. Our one of our big things is that we wanted to make sure that our teachers and our staff understand this unusual situation and that we support our students because many of these students happen to be in their junior year which we know is really important for grades. Um so we wanted to make sure
that everybody understood that supporting the students and making sure that they were not I don't want to say harmed that's the wrong word but that their grades were not um affected by the these changes. So everybody's in agreement on that and I'm really proud
of our staff for stepping up. Um the honors students will have um a substitute but they do have a background in uh physics and chemistry I believe and so we believe that they are supported as well as we can. Um I know
this that the staff has uh reached out to parents and many parents are really happy with um the communication and they thank district. Um and then we did have a discussion that was more of a informative informal
discussion about the organization chart of our district. Um and Dr. Felt's view for the future. Um obviously this is still something in in the works. We don't have the staff um aligned this way currently. So it would be something as time goes on. Um but just kind of
thinking about her her ideas for the future. Um and this is requested by board members for what you know we see. Um and that was it for personnel. Um so hard to mark it. So so sorry O would be the uh teaching period
assignments and I think that was it big section. Hold on. Yes. So that was um that was it for personnel on that section. Thank you. Any discussion or questions?
Yes, Mr. Atkinson at sorry. So I'm currently an AP physics uh student, AP physics one student. So I'd just like to kind of discuss a little bit about the process that's being done at GL to help mitigate the absence of
Mr. MC and I think the other uh physics teacher who I think is physics honors or physics regulars. So currently uh this week starting on Monday we had uh Miss Bucken who also teaches in I just want to caution you. I can't we can't speak about personnel.
Okay. So currently we have one of the staff members who teaches a lot of all the other uh science classes and she's going through and going doing all the units. So thankfully we've only had class for two weeks so we're not really behind that much. So that's currently what's going on.
Yeah. Are you are you um how has the last two weeks been for you? So it wasn't the best because basically all we were doing is we were watching videos on AP classroom and no one was really focused or understanding about
how to do the work. Uh one of the other physics teachers came in periodically but he was also teaching the class at the same time. Yeah. To check in on us and see how we were doing. But it wasn't very much helpful. So thankfully the lesson with this new company yet on the video.
Uh no I think that's for physics honors. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I actually have an update. Oh good. So there's a moving part. I do want to bring your attention to E under personnel because um this just happened
yesterday and I apologize that it didn't make it all the way through um full understanding with just the adjustments that we made but um E is a leave replace teacher for physics honors. So the um
NJCTL that you spoke to is right. We're hoping we don't have to use it because if if if this person works out well, um we may need to um have the the sub in there um until he gets his fingerprinted
and everything because it'll be approved tonight. He has to, like I said, it happened yesterday. So, everything's moving parts, but we should have a physics teacher in the classroom very shortly. Any other discussion? Yes, Pippa.
Uh, this is just a quick statement. Uh, when I quickly met with Dr. Feltree and Mr. Nixon, we did briefly talk about this. Uh, but I have taken AP Physics 1 and I did take it with the teacher last year. Um, I do believe it is one of those courses where it is very new. Uh,
I also took AP Chemistry and I feel like even though those are two both AP sciences, they are very different from one another. And as Howard mentioned, it is easy to fall behind. And correct me if this is not something to take up with the board, but I'm also a part of National Honor Society and there are a
lot of opportunities for students because we volunteer our time to help tutor. So if there's any way to spread the agenda for people to show up because there are typically people I think throughout the week, it should be in the morning during the IMC as well. So if
people need help, there are plenty of seniors in my grade who have all taken AP physics one and also physics honors. So I do know that people will be willing to help out on that scenario. And also typically with the tutoring many people don't come. So it's kind of just like is
this real volunteering to be honest. So, I feel like encouraging people to come would be useful on both ends because one, it makes it more entertaining for me rather than sitting there in the morning for half an hour and also it might give some students peace of mind because I do know a couple of juniors who
have reached out with small concerns uh just being afraid of the course in general general because for some of them it is their first time taking an AP class because besides a push I believe that's the only one that's available uh to sophomores if you're taking if you
had already taken algebra 2. Um, but I'm not sure if that's a direct concern with you, but if it is, then maybe that is something that could be done and I feel like many people would appreciate that even though it's been two weeks. I know it hasn't been a month, but that's just something I wanted to add.
Thank you. So, yes, um, Mrs. Dolly, um, I this is something I learned today. I don't know if it's if it's true or not, but I don't I heard that algebra 2 is no longer a requirement. So I for physics for AP physics, but I
I'll I'll double check, but I did want to moving off the physics topic. Um for item J, uh Mr. Nixon, right? Um just wanted to say congratulations to Mr. Nixon and his next step, you know, being
in a role uh for as long as he has been, you know, I it's it's totally understandable that, you know, he might want to um you know, progress his career in a different setting. So, I want to thank him for his years of dedicated service um to the district um for
stepping in to be the acting superintendent when we really needed him and um all the best. Thank you. Yes. Our best to Mr. Nixon. Yes, Mrs. Zakiri. Yeah, I'd like to echo the same sentiments as Natasha. It it will be a huge loss for our district to
lose Mr. Nixon. Um I think a lot of people just associate GL with Mr. Nixon. So he has really big shoes to fill. But I do wish him all the best and he's moving to a district where I had hoped, you know, I would be buying a
home but couldn't. Um so now coming to the topic of um I believe P we I I just want to understand I think at the beginning of the year we do approve
additional um teaching periods. So this is approve extra teaching period assignments. So are these in addition to what we approved? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So we do need additional
teaching periods for chemistry honors, special education. Now in P, what's interesting is if you flip the page 14 to 15, uh there are some additional names and there are positions for AP, US history 1, AP, there is no dollar amount
associated with them. So what is what is it that we are? Oh, it's the same 10 five. So everybody gets So the table is missing the pay. Yeah, the assignment should have read 10625 through 112125
and then that last column should say 105 pro-rated. Okay, so everybody's getting 10,500 for that's according to contract. Okay. 1 2 3 4 5. Okay. Now um on the AP physics are we were we so there is an
agenda to hire an agency also in addition to the replacement teacher. Yeah, it says if needed. Which one is that? That was E. No, E is the replacement teacher for finance. Under finance. Oh, okay. We already updated national contracted services.
So that was for the Italian and for this. Yeah. So if we don't need how will we get an update like when when like when can we expect an update that yes we have approved the contract. So, and if we don't need them, do we are we
contractually bound to let this agency know that, hey, you're not required or will we be paying them the amount? No, we only pay them if we contract their services. No, we already approved it in on the finance, right?
But it does say if needed. So we won't cut them a check and we won't actually sign a contract with them uh unless um the person under E doesn't come through. Okay. So it's also if we just use them for 50% is there any discount? No. So
basically even if they come for one day basically it's everything it's either one day or everything. Okay. Spend the whole time. Correct. Right. If we sign up with them and then for the Italian I'm sorry. So that is also through uh remote. Right. It's not it's just one day in person. It
says the agency is 5 to 12. No, they're coming in person. It will be in person. So from grade 5 to 12, they will be somebody here in person teaching from that agency. 12. But yes. Yeah. I rec I recognize but the the
certification so they can for us the program our program doesn't begin until 6. Okay. Pardon me. And I believe we are ending at Z. No, that is a a AB and
um any other discussion. Okay, we have a motion and a second under personnel resolutions A through Q. All board members, resolutions R through AJ. Oh, sorry, R. Yes. Berkeley Heights
only. No other discussion. We've heard the committee report. Um, Madam Secretary, roll call vote. Mrs. Airi, yes to all. Dr. Forger, yes to all. Mrs. Terrarero, yes.
Mrs. Jolly, Mrs. Stanley, yes. Miss Bradford, yes. Motion passed. Moving on to education resolutions A, all board members. Resolution B,
Berkeley Heights only. May I have a motion to move these resolutions forward? A motion. Thank you, Mrs. Stanley. And a second. Second. Thank you, Mrs. Terrarero. Any uh curriculum committee report? May I have
the chairperson? Thank you, Mrs. Dolly. Um so uh our meeting was held uh Friday September 12th and on the agenda were uh French textbooks. Um so they French teachers um they had researched uh
textbooks and engaged with the vendor received quotes but unfortunately um this wasn't uh there was an oversight and misstep and it wasn't included in the budget. However, there is room in the budget um for textbooks to be purchased for CMS. And this was
discussed between Dr. Maher and the teachers and everyone's on board. Um these textbooks were piloted um with the seventh graders previously. So, it'll allow for continuing education and for uh the like for the seventh graders to proceed with that curriculum. And then
um next year the GL um program will be evaluated for the appropriate amount of textbooks for the high school. Um we also talked about AP Physics 1, but since uh Pamela covered it through um personnel, we don't need to uh discuss
that. Um we talked about the um uh the metrics and the action the action steps and the metrics associated with the district goals that um Dr. Feltry presented at the last meeting. Um we you know some committee members felt the metrics kind of fell short of measuring
success. Um part of the difficulty is that there is currently no baselines for some of these things. Um but however you know uh Dr. Felry, Dr. Maher agreed to kind of review some of the metrics um to see if they can be I guess beefed up a little bit in terms of being being
measured in the measuring category. Okay. Um there was um some discussion about a case um that may have implications for the district. Um there's currently no um NJOE guidance on that and the district will continue to
monitor. Um we spoke about declining enrollment and out of district placement. Um there is a plan survey that I believe Dr. Feltree had mentioned um but it wasn't discussed in the meeting. Um so this was to understand um
uh a survey to distribute to families to understand who who chose not to attend GL to understand you know why and you so we can obviously use that data to drive um improvements. Um we did discuss criteria for out of district placement
into our district. Uh Mr. Mo and Mr. Rush uh joined the meeting. Um they explained the process of accepting out of district students. Um and the procedures um basically the application of enrollment gets reviewed by everybody
by special services department all relevant p personnel um to make sure that uh the district has the appropriate program for the student that's coming in. Um the review includes but not limited to input from building principal, nursing staff, counseling
department, child study team, and any other personnel deemed appropriate. um student and parent and case manager um from the potential sending district complete a tour and meet with the staff. Um if the programming meets the students criteria and acceptance of placement
letters issued. Um the district also completes um NJE notification of placement form to submission to the county office. Um we also discussed the benefits of accepting these students allows us to run our program exposes our kids to kids with
different challenges and benefits. um the general education kids. Um should circumstances change, the district reserves the right to say we're no longer an appropriate environment for the student. Um we also discussed um uh the use of paras and just uh
understanding that um par profofessional one-on-one paras with the student are not always for kids with behavior issues. I have Thank you, Madam Chair. And the textbooks you for the French uh seventh and eighth grades are item B. Yeah, I have a just a quick so as part
of the process do we does the building principal or anybody interview these incoming students or everybody interviews every interviews the student? I thought they all give input is what you said. So no I think um did yeah and the parents
and the student come in to to tour. So if I read the re the review includes unlimited input from building principal, nursing staff, counseling department, child study team and other any other personnel, student, parent, case manager from the potential sending district, complete a tour and meet with staff.
Um so they can see the student in the setting and see how the student interacts in the classroom. Yeah. also on the enrollment uh data. So other than the survey, are we going to get any sort of like a report like can you guys look into over the last 5 years
or 10 years? What has been our I think we have data for the last we have 22 23 20 I I thought we had enrollment data for like the last three years. I think this year was pending. So TW I think what I showed you the
enrollment trends went all the way back to 2021 or 2020 2021. So Dr. Feltry, you remember my email? Um I was going back to the old emails and there were some links in the emails linking us to enrollment data for the
year or for that month. But when I go and click on those emails in the Berkeley Heights BHPSJ email, the link says it's no longer working. So, I did bring it to your attention and I said, "I'm only seeing 21 data, but then there
are two or three years missing." You said somebody was working on streamlining it, but I haven't seen the the the three years that were missing sent back to us. Okay. 202 Mrs. David. So, that
and also I want to ask you um I want to ask Mr. Dler, enrollment data is not private, right? So a lot of districts actually after the board meeting they do put it uh at the board meeting under the agenda. So why is it that our enrollment
data for the last 5 years is like even when a board member requests for it it's like it has to be through a Google link. Can we is is there something about it that cannot be made public? Are you asking just the number of students? No, no. I'm saying the so every month I think by law we are
expected to report the enrollment numbers at board meetings and the district maintains a log but it's not on our district website and when a board member requests it we get it through a link not as an attachment but I've seen other districts openly publish it as
part of their board meeting agendas and on their district and I am publishing it as part of the board member agendas. So starting uh last month cuz I can only do what I can do since I've been here. No, no. So I'm saying since last month you're publishing it, but prior to that
it was included in the executive session. So I just want to ask Mr. Dysller while he's here if somebody wanted to see enrollment data that is maintained by the district from 2020 to 2025, can we publish it or not?
Is it just the number of Yeah. number of students in each school each by each grade? There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, that's public. I mean, someone could open it and they could put it on their own website and if the district so desired to put the numbers on their website, that's that's fine. It's public information. Yeah. So, instead of an Oprah, if we
want it. So, the whole idea of, you know, Google documents and I that's where I'm a little concerned is like it's it's out there. It's maintained by people. You can scan it and send it or you can put it on our district website because this that is what I was looking at. And then when you do send a survey
for you know GL or who's not attending or alternatives are we also going to look at is it just the ninth grade or are we going to look at declining enrollment in 10th 11th and 12th is are you going to look at it holistically? My understanding the big concern was nth
grade. So that's where we were focusing. Okay. So I'm hearing that some some students do come to nth grade and then I'll have to look at the enrollment data to see if it warrants that kind of uh dedication of staff before I asked you that I wanted to see last four or five years and I
couldn't get the data. So gave you that data through fair to say you couldn't get the data. You have the data for from 2021 through 2425. It's all on one spreadsheet. So if you look at the bottom tabs it's all there. I
know you wanted individual monthly ones and I believe you have all of them from when I was here and then I know there was a glitch on who owned them and we were putting them into a shared folder. I don't have access to that. He was out and so you know
Dr. Fel when I say like your overall consolidated data is not adding up and I did not want to say that publicly. So all I'm saying is you gave me a Google. How is it not adding up? They are the same numbers that are taken from the monthly ones and put in that sheet. So
the woman who does it, copy and paste them. So how is it not adding up? So if I can get the monthly data, I can show you which month was off because the there were two years monthly numbers were not there. So when you give it to me, I'll send it to you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. I'm going to close that discussion. Any other discussion on
education? Yes, Mrs. Terrero. So, this was actually something I was going to ask during the other uh personnel, but I figured it was more appropriate to ask now. So, just in general, can you guys give me an idea? Um, I don't know if this is normal because this is my first
year of us having so much staff like go out on leave. So, my question is, how do we put ourselves in a situation so that we're not behind the eightball
next time? Like do is there and I don't know what the answer is. Is there a way to crossrain other teachers so that if somebody does step out somebody can jump right in? Like what can we do as a district so that because I can tell you I know children that actually dropped
out of AP physics because of it. And I would hate to see that happen to kids. So what can we do moving forward? We can't move backwards. But what can we do moving forward to better prepare our district so that this doesn't happen again?
Well, to be honest, nothing because we already have cross trainining. I mean, the the teachers who are teaching AP physics one right now to the students are the ones um who've taught it in the past. So, I mean, we tend to ask teachers what it is that they want to
teach. their schedule is based on that and course enrollment and then however number of sections we have we assign it. We do have in most cases certain subjects when you only have one teacher, if that teacher goes out on medical leave, then yes, we're strapped. We're
small district. If we don't have multiple people, you don't have the cross reference. Um in in any department where we have multiple people, most of the time there is crossover um based on certification. Uh there are certain
areas where certification is specific. So you can't necessarily have a bio teacher teach physics but a math teacher teacher can teach any of the math if they have enough experience and they feel comfortable doing so you know in English and certain like that other areas of specialty but
so is there planning that like so in the case of a scenario where you only have one teacher let's just say is there something we can do and maybe it's the online program like that we can help the district put you in a position
so that you can jump right in and activate it so that I'm just trying to figure out if there's something we can do to put like a plan in place so that you're better positioned should something like that happen that you're
not doing a lot of shifting and it's it it's not chaotic and disruptive to the kids or or the school. Yeah. I mean, I just don't I don't know what the answer is, but you know, if it's the online programs that, you know, we need to approve so that if you need to pull
them in, you have it. I mean, I'm just I'm trying to think. Yeah. The challenge with any online program is there's always a lag time. So, once we sign them up, there there has to be onboarding, right? So, you're you're still going to have some some the best case scenario is if somebody knows
they're going out, they give us enough lead time. Unfortunately, most of the recent medical leaves are unexpected, you know. Um, so, and is this unusual like this year? Uh, I I can't speak to historically
here. I can tell you based on my experiences in other district, no, it's not unusual. Agree. I see no other discussion on education where we have a first and a second motion on resolutions A all board members and resolution Berkeley Heights
only. Madam Secretary, roll call. Mrs. Airi, yes. Dr. Forger, yes. Mrs. Terrar, yes. Mrs. Jolly, yes. Mrs. Stanley, yes. Miss Bradford, yes. Pass. Okay. Uh, moving on to
I just have a follow-up question from last time on education the multivariable calculus. We are still not offering that course this year. Correct Dr. Feldry? Got it. Um, that is correct. Um, with the transition we are working to try to offer it in the spring semester
through a partnership with the university. Okay. So, as of So, previously we used to approve it for the entire school year. That is correct. So with John Hopkins with John Hopkins we did not renew the contract because of whatever reason and because John Hopkins doesn't offer it
anymore anymore. Correct. So so start so it'll be only for when you say spring semester that would be almost four marking periods done without multivariable calculus. That is correct. Go ahead. Two two marking periods. So it would be
the so the fall semester we will not be offering multivariable calculus but in the spring semester we will be able to offer it through our partnership with the university that you can expect to see on the board agenda next month. So when you say spring se two marking periods January through June. Oh so it'll start in January.
Correct. Yeah. So children will get like advanced notice if they want to sign up for it. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Moving on to policy on the agenda. Resolutions A through C. All board members. May I have a motion to move resolutions A through C?
Thank you, Mrs. Stanley. A second. A second. Thank you. Thank you, Mrs. Jolly. Um, may we have, Madam Chairman, uh, for the policy committee report, Mrs. Stanley? Um so the policy committee uh met
September 9th at 9:00 am. Um we have policy 1570 internal controls. I'm sorry I'll try to go by the the hand I'm sorry the agenda. So if you
look at policy 0174 um this was um voted down last time uh last meeting. So it was brought back to policy. Um there was a heated debate on the use of legal services. The committee was able to find a solution that they
can move forward with. So we added two sentences. Any OPER request would need superintendent assistant superintendent approval prior to being sent to the attorneys and the board president will report to the full board during the exact session on all their individual legal compensations with the board
attorney. Um, we felt that this was a good compromise um to make sure that OPRAS are not being abused and to also make sure that the board stays informed by the board president while not um trying to stop
the board president or the superintendent from contacting the attorney when so needed in a in a in an immediate situation. What was the second point Pamela about individual contact? Like it you cut out like the
first one was you reached a compromise on contact and the second one something about individual board members. No, I didn't say anything about individual board members contacting in the exact session. Nope. So, you can read it in the minutes
exactly what it says, but I didn't say anything about individual board members. But the the board president and the superintendent um the compromise was that we wouldn't stop them from contacting the attorney, but that all board members would be informed. And by
adding those sentences, um everyone can feel comfortable that we are being informed and that Opras are not being approved by them to I I would like to finish my report. No, I just have a question on this. Mrs. Kerry, could you please wait and you'll have a discussion after the
report is given. Thank you. Mrs. Stanley, continue. And then we have policy 1570 internal controls. This is a revision. Um, stress as may added update statutes and agreed with the language. Um, we did have a
regulation 1570 internal controls. Um, we did agree with the language. Tom did reach out after the fact after the minutes went out. So, we did have a revision. Um, it was added to our latest agenda and your uh handouts and it was
added um I sent an email today to you guys and it was added to the public. Um, so accidentally there was um three words um that were removed from the policy that should remain in the policy. Um Tom
did have some other questions about listing out every single uh position that we have. I don't feel that's needed. So we have to discuss that after I'm done with my committee report on whether or not we want to send this back to the committee or not. Um and then we
had policy 1620 the administrative employment contracts. This is a revision. Just Asme added updated statues. We agreed with the language. the committee had a discussion on paragraph 4 and when a 30-day notice would be required. It is not required
for a renewal of a contract, but when we're changing terms in a contract, um most of the time we've seen this with superintendent contracts when you're changing an actual term in the contract. Um then we saw policy 611,
special education Medicaid initiative semi program. This is a revise. We agree with the language. We're waiting for the BA to get us a detail on the Berkeley head status and reimbursement for the semi program um because we had some questions around that. But the policy
itself is ready to go. Um we do have the regulation 611 um the special education Medicaid initiative semi program. This is new to our district. It is mandatory. Um the district said we comply with this regulation and that they do recommend
it. so we can move forward um with the addition of this regulation. Then we had policy 6220 budget preparation. We agreed to move forward with this policy. Stress may as uh stress Esme added new language around statutes. We had a deep
discussion on the budget presentation with the BA and the expectations that we would have moving forward. We also discussed the word proposed budget and the language it should that it should be shared with the board and when the policy states that should be shared. Um
so those are the new policies for tonight that we are looking for approval. There are secondary policies um that there's four of them uh that we didn't receive any concerns on in between the two meetings. And then we have the abolishment because now we
require all our um policies to be abolished in two meetings instead of one. We did have more discussion on regulation 22 um I'm sorry 6220 budget preparation and this is new. We are going to wait for
the BA uh to read this over and make their recommendations because it's a lot and we want to make sure that um they are in compliance and that they know um what our board wants and expects. And then we have policy 0143,
board member election and appointment. Uh we did not have time to discuss. And then we have policy 0173 public duty as a public accountant. We did not have time to discuss. policy 2422. Um this is statutory curriculum
requirements. Um we had received the day before this meeting um a notice from Porsio, the law firm. Um it was talking about um uh a legal case and so the board had a discussion on the Porsio notice but did not have time to absorb
it because it was only the day before received it. Um our assistant superintendent gave us steps the district is taking in response to this. Um and the committee will look this over in preparation for our October meeting and see if there are any requirements that need to be put in policy um to
protect us. Then we have policy 2200 uh curriculum content. We are still waiting um because we did not have time to discuss but we did get back for the regulation part um we did get back from stress estimate their answer on why they remove certain things. So, if you look
at the comments uh section, there's a whole comment that was given and I will make sure I send that out prior to our next agenda for policy. Uh and then tonight, hopefully we have time to discuss in old business uh
policy 0155, which is board committees. Again, we're looking for everybody to give us feedback on that. And then we did not have time to follow up on policy 9160 um that we were talking about uh fairness in seating at um school
functions and then the finance committee would like to ask whether we would add AP testing for homeschoolers into a policy. So we do need to discuss that at our next meeting. Uh so that is it for policy. Um yeah.
Thank you madam chair. Any discussion? This is a so on policy 0174 legal services, you said that the compromise was if the board president or the superintendent make a contact with the attorney, they will keep the entire
board informed. No, that's not what I said. Okay. So, and that's not what the policy says either. Okay. Um so if you if you look at policy 0174 legal services we added two sentences.
Um in the minutes you can read those two sentences. It says uh any OPER request would need superintendent assistant superintendent approval prior to being sent to the attorneys and the board president will report to the full board during the exec session on all their individual legal
consultations with the board attorney. uh because the two concerns were that uh opra requests were being sent to the attorney. Um and this this legal services policy is all about trying to keep um uh funds at a reasonable rate.
Um and then the other one was the concern was that we want to know when the board president does contact the attorney, but we didn't want to do so in that would stop the board the board president from contacting the attorney when needed, but in a way that everybody would stay informed. And so I think this
was a good compromise. Um we did have a really heated discussion on it. Um but I think it was a good compromise for us to move forward with this policy and make sure that um we are putting the district's needs. So how will the board president report
it in exec will there be a log of dates and times and how long was the contact or is this just that you wouldn't put in policy, right? That would be something that the board would request of the board president. So you should work with the board president on what you would like to see. Um but it
wouldn't be in board. No, but when you So the po So my question is the policy if you're just adding a sentence, it's pretty vague that the board president will come and give us an update on all individual contacts or consultations made. Now those individual contacts and
consultations could be a text message, could be a telephone call, could be you know multiple follow-up telephone calls. So when we go to do the bill review, you could be seeing multiple line items of these contacts and that is what a professional services company like the
legal company will do. So are we going to get a similar update and will it be in exec or is it going to be like oh I contacted the board attorney 10 times or I contacted the board attorney 12 times. How is it going to be? So, I guess if I if I may, um my expectation based on
conversations we had previously when we were checking bills, like anyone who like the superintendent, like if there's a bill, she checks against her record, my expectation is that Gail would have a record as well or whoever is the president at the time. And um and the actual legal bills um based at least
based on what I've seen do break it out. Um though looking at the Porzio bills, not everybody puts like the time frame. Sometimes there's like a lot of numbers against one a lot sorry a lot of um interactions against one time number but
there are attorneys who put like in parentheses like point4 hours point4 hours under the one you know line item so it is clear so it's just that um when I s and I saw these because I was you know reviewing bills and there's a lot
of interaction that happens right and a lot of times we are not necessarily aware of what it's all about. So instead of you know my initial ask so when Pam says it's a compromise my initial ask was to actually have it in writing. So anytime the board president reaches out
that we get it in writing but that could be a little over the top. So and you know in collaborative fashion tried to find a compromise so at least this way we can um get an update at a quick session for all the engagements. So I have a follow up on that,
but also just so you're aware, right, in this policy it talks about logs, right? So if you read the policy, right, everybody who has contact with the attorney keeps a log um and they're required to do so according to this policy. So that way they can check the bills and make sure if there is any
question like, hey, I don't remember seeing this, we can check against their log. Um so that hopefully that helps with your information, right? that they already keep these logs and then it would just be that during exec session the board president would have to then
um kind of let us know like okay I did contact you know them twice these these were what was discussed and we move on but a lot of this it will be confidential so one of the one of the concerns was putting it in writing is maybe not in the best interest uh because if it's confidential and then
two right like legally we didn't want to add more cost to getting everything in writing So, so this was the compromise and I think it's a it's a good one because it gets the goal, right? The goal is to stay informed and um but not
restrict. So, I have so my next question was basically it was a good segue about the logs. So, who in the district has the consolidated logs of all legal contacts? So there is no consolidated log because that's not what's required by the
policy. And we did have a really good discussion on this and what the point of the log is. Um it's not um for uh the business administrator to have a log of every single time somebody contacted the the legal firm, but to make sure that we
do a check and balance. Right? So if you read the policy, the policy talks about check and balancing, right? The whole point of the log is to make sure that we keep the attorney um honest and that they right they are they are charging us for the hours that we
actually spoke to them, right? Because that's the whole point of check and balance, right? And we're a public entity so we're checking and balancing it, right? So when the when uh the business office gets the bill, right? They could send it if you know to Gail and say, "Are these minutes are these accurate?" And she goes, "Yes." Because
she looks at her log, right? and we have multiple people who have logs, right? There's not just one. And so to have all of them consolidate it wouldn't necessarily be in the best interest of the district either time-wise. Um, so there is no consolidated log, but the whole point is not to have this master
log. The whole point is to do checks and balances to make sure that our money is being spent as necessary. May I add to that? Yeah. We've put a process in place in the business office this month where any attorney bills that come into our office are to be reviewed and initialed each
line item by so if it says that Jennifer Nicholson called the attorney regarding this I'm I'm going to take my pen I'm going to write on the paper my initials to make sure that I'm verifying that that information is true. So that's a
new process that we're implementing for the checks and balances. So this So yes, Dr. Forer, maybe I'm misreading this, but it looks to me like uh it's only uh when your
legal costs exceed 130% of the statewide average per student amount that there's uh this logging business. Is that right or are we doing it all the time? We are keeping it but we're not required to because we don't meet we're already doing without
keep a log. Yeah. Because I need to verify the the cost. All right. So it's the same way as the board attorney keeps a log. Okay. So we're doing it anyway. Now this but the second part is there's a little bit of confusion here in the language and the policy. Uh you look under point
4. It's at the bottom of the page. All written requests for legal advice and logs of legal council contact shall be forwarded to and then it says designated contact persons. Well, those are the people that have the
logs. So, it used to say business administrator, board secretary, and you took that out. I don't know why you took that out, but it's a little a little strange to say the lo the logs are forwarded to the people that already have them. Is that what you really
intend? I don't know. No, I think right I think that was stress as but I think what they're saying is that it doesn't have to be the ad business administrator, right? So if she has someone in her office doing right the bills do
all all logs shall be forwarded to designated contact persons. Is that really what you want to say? I don't think that's right. I did not write that. Yeah, stress may wrote that. Well, let's get Mr. Strauss and Mr. Esmeing in here.
That doesn't the attorney's logs that get forwarded to contact the logs uh legal count legal council contacts. These are the things that the contacts are supposed to maintain after we've reached Right. Right. After we've reached a certain amount, right, you have to then start
logging, right? And so after that, right, that sentence says that you would have to then give it le you would have to give all your contacts to this designated person. I think stress ESM may just took out the business administrator because it's not always the business administrator doing that, right? It might be one of our other
staff members, right? Rouse Esme doesn't change our policies. This is what we had in our policy. This is their recommendation. Yeah. Yeah. But we don't I don't care what they think it could be. Do this on the record. I don't care what Strauss says. I know. But I mean, that's ridiculous. I want the
somebody in the business office here looking at it, right? And that's exactly what it says, a designate a contact person. So yeah, but those that the business office will designate a contact person. But stress estimate just doesn't know the name of that person because every district, I'm sure, has a different name for that title.
All right. Now, let's go back up to All right. So, I'm not really getting an answer. I'll I'll give up on that. Any OPER request will need superintendent slash assistant superintendent approval. Okay. Okay. Well, I hate the use of
slash. That's also called a verbal if you want to know what the real name is. Um I don't that's ambiguous to me. Who do you want giving the approval? Both or one or the other? One or the other? One or the other? Can we change it?
I would prefer it just be the superintendent. I don't like to put designated work on assistant superintendent in the policies. So one of the reasons why is because in our discussion we we ran into some issues that sometimes the superintendent is not available and for good reason
right because she is at a conference or she's sick or ill and right she deserves to be able to do those things. So the assistant superintendent when she is designated by the superintendent to be in charge she would also have permission to do so. If we put just superintendent, it would
require that only she, right? And we know that Oprah is timed. No, what's the correct word? Time sensitive, right? Because there's requirement, right, to answer these within what? 10 days, seven days, seven days. Seven days. Seven days, right? So, we just didn't
want to put unnecessary I think they moved it to 14 days. Um, it was a way to do check and balance, right? So if if the business office needs to go to the attorneys for an OPRA, there's a check and balance to make sure that it's a legit reason why.
Well, at any given time, there's always somebody that's acting as superintendent. We're never without a superintendent. That's right. But just because she's not available because she's in a meeting doesn't mean that we shouldn't be able to get answers, right? So again, I I think we
were just trying to compromise and I think the intent is clear. I can do and or instead of a slash. Andor is even worse. All right. I hate Then I'll keep the slash. No, don't get get rid of the slash. Make
it an or. At least I know what it says then. Uh, is that a substantive change? That is not a substantive. Well, this is only first reading anyway. So, we don't worry about substantive or not substantive. I'm going to have So, at our next policy meeting, I'm going to have some changes here that
I also want. Uh, I think the sentences, this whole these two sentences are awkwardly worded. I'm going to give you a re rewrite on it. An OPER request that is to be reviewed by an attorney requires superintendent approval prior to transmitt. I think that reads a
little smoother than the way you got it there. Uh then uh a board president consulting with the board attorney shall report shall that's that's binding. The will is not binding.
Shall report the consultation and result at the next board meeting during an executive session. I think that reads a little smoother than what you've got here. So I offered that as a change. All right. Uh now
I I still think the laws your language here is really confusing. Uh forwarding it to designated contact persons. I object to that. Yes. Um uh and I think the current policy of
having the business administrator or administrative staff member review the legal bills or logs is the better one. That makes more sense. So I agree with Tom that designated contact persons can be multiple people and I think what
we had originally that it they all get reported to business administrator makes sense because at the end of the day you are authorizing payment of all bills right and from what you just told us you're also maintaining this initiing like a
process in your office correct so why can't we just take I personally don't know how How many designated contact persons are there as of today? Do you know, Jennifer? I do not. They're listed in this policy right here. There's superintendent of schools.
Oh, that's another change I had. This is really messed up here. Somebody doesn't remember how to use an apostrophe. This should just say superintendent of schools design. No, no apostrophe and no s after superintendence. So,
superintendent of schools designate be correct. School business. In the interest of time, right, instead of having another policy committee meeting tonight. Yeah. Um, I would love to get an email and the policy committee can look all these things. Oh, I thought you wanted to get it done
tonight. I I can give you the changes. In the interest of time, since Miss Auriri said that she doesn't want to stay late so we can do our finance meeting tomorrow, um I would I would appreciate if you send me an emails because there's right I'll be happy. No, but I thought we were going to do it all
tonight. All right, I'll send you my detailed comments. I do have a change. Uh I I do think on the 1570-R internal controls there's a list of uh occupations here titles.
I would add uh I don't know what are we calling guidance these days. I I think it's counselor, isn't it? School counseling. School counselor. That's their official title now. I would put that in instead of guidance. Uh
some business office titles. So, we have an assistant to the BA. I would add that. Assistant BA. I would add that. And there's a bunch on the superintendent side. I don't know all those titles. And there's ABS, anti-bullying specialist. Those are the ones I know about. Um,
okay. Let's see. So, Dr. Porer, you're going to email a list of those. Do you want me to send all my changes? Send the changes to the policy committee chair, Mrs. Stanley so they can look at them policy thing here on the conduct of the meetings. Do we hold on Mr. Gler?
Just one comment on the policy logs and the like. I'll just um chime in that that is regulatory. So the department of education sets the mandate for the logs. It is 6A 6A 23A-5.2
to A3. What is it? 6 A 23 6 A 23A-5.2. So again, the logs are only required if you exceed 130% of the statewide
average. Yep. Right. For people. So it doesn't necessarily apply to you now, but I just want to make sure any changes that you would make to again what is the standard pol what is the standard policy would at least make sure you comply with stress as uh with the regulatory requirements by the department of education.
Well, actually that's interesting. We did exceed it one year recently. How long does this stay in effect? I believe it's for the year. That's my recollection. That's my I mean what you don't you don't find out whether you exceeded until the u
what is it taxpayers guide to education or something it's a report from the state comes out uh after it got all the audit reports maybe July or so. So you find out in July. So that does that mean it's in effect then? My that year
my recollection I'm talking off the top of my head so do not quote me on this. My recollection is you learn about it and then for the following year into your filing audit you have to comply with that regulation. Right. So you obviously don't know in the moment that you're exceeding the state average. I believe it's until
unless you're really going to town here, right? Yes. That's my recollection of how it is implemented. Yeah. So you you looked at this, right? Because we had Right. And so I think I guess for 2425
we you had the number and we were less than 130%. That's right. Okay. Okay. since we've had our discussion. Uh we did and so the only thing I I wanted to understand because like Tom um proposed a number of changes that are not substantive that would not prevent
us from but I think the where he proposed at the changing of the names or adding adding positions is it is substantive. So that's what we need to discuss if we want to table that one tonight. The regulation 1570
um I don't know if Dr. Feltry has time to had had time to look at this policy on whether you felt that we needed every single title listed. If if that's where we're going, then I would have to reach out to stress Esme and find out more from them. Um because nothing in there
indicated that we needed to add every position we have listed in the whole district. And some of them are very vague, right? It says uh certified administrator other, right? So like and then down it says non-administrative non-certificated right. So I I don't
think it's meant to be like every single titled person in the district could be listed but if that's where we want to go then we will table this and we will ask stress estimate. Well there is there is a actual an actual list from the state uh because
they collect in the fall uh names all kinds of staff information. It's fall data survey, right? No, I understand. So, they have they have they have a file that says here's requires that here. Well, yeah, I don't know. Why would you list some and not others? I don't that's what I'm not
getting here. Because it says at a minimum. So, I believe minimum you could say as a minimum. So, these must be the ones that are cited in the statute. Oh, really? These are cited.
That's what I'm thinking. I'm not 100% sure, but based on the way it reads and the fact that they cite the statue up above the 6A, and then they say a permanent position tracking number for the employee. Oh, wait, no, wrong one. Wait. Uh C, ensure that the data within the position
control roster system includes at a minimum the following information. And then you're saying down there under D, the assignment position title as follows. Those were the ones I believe that are listed but without actually
looking. My my book's in my office. But so the update is exactly as the regulation of the statute says. You cop you copied that. Uh they they copied it word for word. Plagiarized. All right.
Guidance is is in Well, that's where policy tends to come from, right? They take the statute and they turn it into policy regulations plagiarism. Yes. Right. All right. All right. Any other discussions on policy? Sidetracked on that. I do have a
substantive comment though on this uh conduct of meetings. Uh you have a it says you're going to get us the agenda within one day before the meeting. I'd like to have it three days. I don't like lastm minute agendas. Three days.
Which policy? This is conduct of meetings. Policy 161. Wasn't that one that we're considering? No, I thought that was in your uh list. May not have thought. What?
It's 161 is not here, Tom. 161. Ah, okay. I did all that work for nothing. Okay. I have a I have a question. All right. So 161 we're not talking about tonight. And I did 1570R and I did 174. Okay. I yield the floor.
Okay. I have a question, Mr. Dysler. So on the legal services policy, if we want to keep it the strikeout language where the log should be sent to the business administrator, is that considered a substantive change?
Sorry, say that one again. Are you talking about number four on the list where exceed the log list? Yes. All written requests for legal advice and logs of legal council contacts shall be forwarded to the business administrator/board
secretary. She's on 174. Yeah. Yeah. Number four. 174. So if I understand the current designation, you have designated as the designate contacts your superintendent, BA, board president, and director of
special services. The current policy, if I'm understanding correctly, requires that all written requests for legal advice and logs of legal contracts shall be forwarded to the business administrator. The policy change would require not just those being sent to the business administrator, but also the
superintendent, board president, and director of special services. So if I understand the question correctly, if we go back originally from the four people which are the superintendent, BA, board president, director, special services and just make the log being required just sent to the business administrator,
would that be a substantive change? Um, it's on the fence. I I I would say probably not because that's your existing language and all you're doing is requiring you're going from four people down to one. It's a close call, but if you're asking me, I think it's
probably can be done between meetings as a not subsid. Okay? Because at the end of the day, I think all bills are approved based on the business administrator's recommendation. So, I wouldn't want the logs to go to four people and then one person be held responsible
for asking the board to approve. So I think we should just go with the business administrator. So under so this is number four Natasha where it says all written requests for legal advice and logs of legal council contact should be shall be forwarded to the business
administrator and based on what Jennifer said you are already maintaining a log. Correct. So do I have to move a motion? Is it a substantive change or I would like to move a motion and see where I think there are other uh changes possibly to 0174.
So that those are substant that are going to go to uh back to the policy committee. So though if they so my question to Mr. Dysler is if there are multiple changes that are going to 0174 are they considered substantive other than just this one? So the the two ones that Tom
brought up with is purely just I think it would read better with this verbiage but without changing the meaning. There's no no doubt in my mind those not substantive. This one is on the fence. Again if you're asking me do I think with just keeping the original language
um would you require a another reading? My gut tells me no. I just don't think that's a real substantive change. You're you're keeping the original language in the policy. All the change did was add three more people to be contacted that you're then going back. So I do think that change could be done by the policy
committee and brought before the board if the board so desires without the policy committee can look at it before October. Right. And and uh yeah and I kind of agree like I don't think that you know Dr. Feltry wants to review everyone's logs or I I don't I don't know it feels
right that it should be the board secretary. So but if it's not substantive we can do it as long as. All right. Thank you. Let's end the discussion. Um, we are now on policy resolutions A through C. All board members, we had a first um from Mrs.
Stanley and we had a second from Mrs. Jolly. We've had um Thank you, chair uh chairwoman um Mrs. Stanley for the policy committee report. And now board secretary vote. Roll call vote. Mrs. Zaryi, uh it's a no on A to C.
Dr. Forger, I'm a little unclear. I suggested language changes. Is that included here? As they're not substantive, they could be incorporated into the second read. Okay. All right. Then as long as that's
in Yes. Yes. Mrs. Terrarero. Yes. Mrs. Jolly. Yes. Mrs. Stanley? Yes. Ms. Bradford? Yes. Motion passes.
Moving on to uh committee report strategic planning. Mrs. Akiri, would you like to read the minutes for the strategic planning? No, I I couldn't attend. So you attended, you can read them. I took minutes though. Uh let me go back here. The strategic planning committee met on
Friday, September 5th, 2025. Mrs. Gan Clearary, the board's NVA N and NJ NJSBA field representative, had previously sent the district a checklist on the 5-year strategic plan process. Dates for the community meetings were decided on Wednesday, September 24th, Tuesday,
October 28th, and Monday, November 24th, 2025. Here's the flyer. A flyer was circulated online and paper copies were distributed to stakeholders in the community, including the seniors. Uh, one will be sent online to our scouts and to the churches. It's also on the
district website and Berkeley Heights public schools Facebook. There also is a folder coming out that we have. You've gotten 10 copies to distribute. The meetings will take place right here in this uh cafeteria with roundts and there
was some discussion about how many board members wanted to attend. So, please let me know through that Google form because if it is uh a quorum, then we have to advertise it as a special meeting uh 48 hours ahead. So, that would mean you'd have to let us know by Monday.
By Monday. Okay. Well, we can I just ask Yes. Are we going to be sitting here? No. No, we'll be round. No. Um there will be small tables, right? The small tables, the rectangular tables. Mrs. Clearary will have um each
table will have a laptop. There will be postits on there. There'll be pencils and pens for people to write. Mrs. Clearary will be circulating. Each meeting has a central question which is on the flyer. And will board members be like sitting at tables with um
you can circulate and sit at the tables. Yes. Right. Okay. Uh the first meeting is where are we now? The second meeting is where do we want to be in three to five years? And the third meeting is how are we going to get there in three to five years. Okay.
Um there's an update uh brief update on negotiations. Uh the negotiations committee met on Monday, August 25th, 2025 with the representatives representatives from the head custodians contract team and discussions continue. Negotiation committee for the ad hoc committee for
the mountainside Berkeley Heights and receive agreement. A meeting was held on Friday, September 12th for Berkeley Heights team only members to review the data and create a potential draft contract proposal. So the me the members looked over the contract from before and made made their notes. Then a meeting
between the Mountain Side and Berkeley Heights committees was held on Tuesday, September 16th and to preview data to create a calendar of meeting dates to discuss goals and to request any additional information and two dates were established in October and November for that. That contract, that send
receive contract ends in June 2026. Gail, didn't we didn't the negotiations committee meet after August 25th? We met on September 10th. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, that date should have been also September. So, we we met on the 25th and then we
met again on September 10th. That was the most recent meeting, correct? Sorry. Thank you. Uh, liaison reports. Does anyone have liaison reports at this time? Okay. Um I have liazison reports from Union County Educational Services. I
intend I attended as the alternate for Mrs. Kana. It was the meeting was held on Wednesday, September 3rd. There was a presentation by Creature Comfort Pet Therapy and their mission to assist Union County schools to enhance the lives through creature uh pets coming into the district. They actually have a
goat and they brought the pets to the meeting there and they have rabbits too. Then the Educational Union County Educational Services Foundation. Uh it's like our BHEF. They have a fundraiser going on. There's more information on their site for supporting the students.
Again, the lollipops on the table are from the Westlake School in their miniature business that they have going on. Uh the superintendent at the uh Union County presented her five-year strategic plan emphasizing staff evaluation, student interventions, and AI curriculum and facilities
construction. The next meeting is on October 8th. The Berkeley Heights Town Council meeting was held on Tuesday, September 16th. Hispanic Heritage Month was celebrated with a flag raising ceremony in a brief history. Uh the YMCA will also hold a celebration. A discussion took place on chickens and
chicken coops. A discussion to create an ordinance for cost recovery program for Berkeley Heights fire fees. For example, if there was a gas line or something hazardous material here at in the school district, there might be a fee now to cover the time that the fire department personnel are required to be on site.
The mayor has created a special task force on flooding and how to best use the $3 million bond and a discussion took place on recent flooding in town. Several town residents questioned the lower Columbia lease agreement and a resolution awarding a professional services contract for engineering survey
and planning service for clo for CMS lower fields project and for more information uh refer to the town website for an update on our board goals. The process for creating new board goals began with the board members completing an online self- evaluation through
NJSBA. Mrs. Clearary will look at the results and share the results and assist the board in creating goals for the approval at the January 2026 meeting. The board officials and Dr. Feltry discuss options for training and we settled on some dates in November. The training session will include an update
to all board members on HIV procedures and those dates will go out. Thank you. Any other liaison reports? Yes. Oh no, I don't have a I just want can I just comment on the Talib was there? Um
there was a report from uh Angus Chen I think it was from the environmental commission. They had done a a study on these uh artificial turf fields and came out against having an artificial turf at lower Colombia. There's a lot of problems those fields. I think it's like
a battle going on all over the country between these turf people that want turf fields and people that don't. And uh so far the so far the people that don't well I don't know who's winning but anyway
thank you for your addition. I wish I wish I could say Mr. Zakiri. Yeah, I was also at the town council meeting. Um, we wanted to comment as a taxpaying resident parent on how this whole apparatus of you know for the last four
or five years saying that they need to have the lease agreement in place so they can apply for the NJ grants and then coming after five years. Mr. Kerry, I'm just going to Yeah, I'm cautioning you not to say anything because as a board member I'm saying what I spoke there and that
is public. just saying what what happened and the thing was there is nothing we we held an open negotiations here during our budget meeting and I'm really sorry Gail that at that point you never cautioned us that hey we need to
move into exec to discuss this but today for a small legal matter we want to move and go into exec but we could have discussed and held a very public contract negotiations publicly so in April so let me just speak what and it was also Interesting to find that when
we asked if the township had paid the $1 payment and they said, "Well, we'll pay it at the next bill and there were some really disparaging comments made. You want your $1, we can give you the dollar." That was just not expected, but that's what happened. You were there. So, thank you.
That mean pretty embarrassing. I I do have um a leazison report. So, the BHF met on September 9th. Um they are getting ready for their um uh oh my gosh, lunch and learns. They're getting ready for their lunch and learns this
year. Um they held five last year, so they're hoping to do at least five this year. Um they have plaids and pints coming up on October 17th. This is one of their big fundraisers. It's going to be at Vintage Vintage Tavern. Um they hosted it last year and had a really
good attendance. Gail and I went. We had a great time. Um they they are also looking for teachers to apply for grants. Um last year they did have a lot of money that they wanted to uh give to teachers. So they really need you to apply for those grants so that way they
know where to distribute it. Um they are providing um audio equipment for the CMS um for their plays and stuff that happen in the cafeteria. Um so they're excited for that purchase to be done. Um and
yeah, so they have another meeting coming up, but they are starting their year off strong and they're preparing for winter walk. So look for them there. Thank you. Any other liaison? Okay, thank you. Moving on now to comments from the public on any topic during this
portion of the meeting. District residents and staff are invited to address the board of education on any item. The board requests that individuals state their name, address, and town of residence or school of attendance for the record. Uh all comment should be directed at the board president and depending upon the nature
and complexity of the questions. It may or may not be answered during the meeting by the administration. If so, the response would occur after the public portion of the meeting has concluded. Although the board may not respond to all items raised during the public forums, all public comments will be considered. The board asks that members of the public be courteous and
mindful of the rights of other individuals when speaking. Specifically, comments regarding personnel matters are discouraged and cannot be responded to by the board. Students and employees have specific legal rights afforded by the laws of the New Jersey laws of New Jersey. The board bears no responsibility nor will it be liable for
any comments made by members of the public. Please note that if any member of the public becomes disruptive during the meeting, the board president may terminate the participant statement. Continued disruptions may result in removal from orment of the meeting. Uh each speaker statement will be limited to three minutes in duration. We'll take
in person comments first and online. Make sure online that you have your first and your last last name visible. I do not see anybody here in person. Mrs. Moliner, is there anybody online? Okay. Will you please unmute that person?
Hello. Uh, sorry, my video is off. Uh, my name is Shraana Maladi. Uh, I live at 75 Grassman Place in Berkeley Heights, New Jersey. I've actually been a longtime resident of New Jersey. In fact, I grew up in Berkeley Heights myself. Um, went to Governor Livingston,
so um, it's been a long time that I've been here. Um, so I sent an email in August 17th requesting an approval for my homeschooling daughter to be able to take the AP exams this coming May. And I re received a response on September 9th uh, uh, with the approval. So, I want to
thank the board and everybody for approving my request to allow my daughter to take this exam. Um, I had actually called GL last year, last August 2024 for the same request and I hadn't really received a proper response on that regard. So, this time I I
genuinely thank you for for that. Um, as a taxpaying resident, it seems almost obvious that our families should be allowed to access public spaces and opportunities. However, as an outsider to the school system, I found that it isn't easily granted. Um, you know, we say that our children are our future,
but I think that with with that being said, preventing our children from access to uh any ability any anything that would uh help them elevate their future uh would actually prevent them from wanting to become future leaders
because they lose hope in the system. So, this approval has been really helpful and my daughter is actually looking forward to going ahead uh with taking the exam. Um uh just as a a future um kind of comment or so if next
time anybody kind of asks for this request if possible if a response could come a little bit faster because it actually changes the way a home uh our school system or our school year is sort of settled in our house. I appreciate homeschooling is a little bit different
for a lot of parents but it has um it has we have our reasons. Um, first of all, as a as a resident of Governor of uh Berkeley Heights myself, I've actually graduated from Columbia Middle School and from Governor Livingston. So, I have a emotional attachment to these
schools as well. So, it isn't out of a lack of disrespect or dislike for the school system that we have uh decided to go in this route. It's just that our my children just need a different route. It works better for them. And so it would be helpful if access to these these
events or these places would be easier for our children and shouldn't be taken out on the children simply because their parents had to make a decision that was different from uh what is typically done. So thank you again so much for giving me this uh chance to speak and
also uh for approve for the approval. Thank you. Um Mrs. Miner, I don't see anyone else. Is that correct? Correct. Moving on to new business, Mrs. Jolly. Okay, so we all have um received that
update from Mrs. Varnner. We all know that there's um likely no turf field at Lower Colombia. Um obviously I've stated my personal distaste for how this process worked. Um and the timing of um and the timing of everything, even the
contract that was awarded at the town council meeting. Uh you'll see they put in a bid in April um and that was already after um the the lease was signed and it's only now after um there's determination of no field that
this contract has been awarded to do surveying and what have you. I've um requested documents to demonstrate um how the township came to the conclusion in terms of what constituted initial discovery um that Oprah came back um
without any documents. I asked, you know, I say I I thanked the town clerk for looking um but I also asked her if she had access to the personal email account from which Deb is, you know, conducting and writing official emails. Um, I don't have a response to that, but
at the town council meeting, it did get heated. Um, and uh, and and it was interesting to note that none of the questions were answered, but the township was maybe in its frustration, right? Um, said, "Oh,
take the field back. Take the field back. If you want it back, take it back." I understand that wasn't necessarily a researched response, but given everything that's happened and given that um you know where we are today and even that environmental
report, right? Like these were the things that were being brought up even before the lease started. This is not new information about the environmental impacts you know to right but they were made public and they were shared with us again only after the fact after the
determination was made. So this is just a discussion um given and we don't have the full board here. So, but I do want the board um to start considering that in totality given everything that happened, is this uh contract that we
want to be a part of, right? Um you know, the the administrator um the Miss Vanna said like, well, you know, take the field back and you do the maintenance, right? So, I think it's worthwhile to see exactly, you know, what that entails, right? And we do have
the shared services agreement that kind of outlines who does what and whatever. So we can take a look at that. Um see if this is something that we can take on, see if this is uh if the PAL um you know work with the PAL in terms of um maintaining the fields or aligning the
fields when you know they need to use it. Um but again if if they wanted it so bad but then in a heated moment they're like oh take it back. So I don't really know what the benefit is. Um I also didn't get answers to the uh to the
question around what grants right are required where a lease is required right and then this whole debate between lease versus shared services agreement. So if the grant application requires a lease do we actually have a lease or do we have a shared services agreement which
Mr. Solomon says the lease is governed by a shared services act doesn't matter what you call it a lease it's still a shared services act. Um, and to the point about, you know, how why it got heated and the discussion about the $1, it's not so much about the $1. Obviously, it's a very nominal amount.
It's just it would be nice if like we could follow the process, right? We shouldn't have negotiated in public, you know, if the lease was signed in March, that payment should have been made. Again, nominal amount, not the biggest deal. But anyway, I just want given the
circumstances of everything that happened, the board to consider whether we want to remain in this contract or not. Thank you. Um I'm sorry I wasn't looking. Mrs. Stanley than Mrs. Akiri, I think we're missing the bigger point,
right? Is that no board member should be going to town council and having a meeting when the full board isn't there to make decisions, right? because no no individual board member can make decisions for the board and this sounds like it did get out of control and that we are violating open public's meeting
act by doing this. So I I don't understand why this went down, right? So when you're talking about procedure and follow procedure, that is not proper procedure, right? In my mind, but when it comes to the ST service agreement, we knew that it was never about a turf field, right? We we literally said that
multiple times. We said they could or could not put a turf field. They are not required to put a turf field. We knew that when we looked at the contract, we stated this. We had a conversation around that. Um, again, I I didn't vote for this because there was a turf field or not a turf
field. I voted for this because it was the right thing, I thought, for the district, for our students to try to get these fields maintained with money that we don't have to spend on them, right? They already maintain most of this area anyways. And this allows them to have a
little bit more leeway and get some grants that we would not be able to apply for. Whether there's a turf field or not, I don't know, right? that's in their hands because now they lease that field. Right. Again, I don't understand I don't understand what happened this
week at the town council meeting and I I don't think it was appropriate at all and I think it puts the whole board at risk, not just individual board members. So, let me respond to that. There is no OPMA violation. There was no um there was no quorum and as a resident and a taxpayer I
you just said you were talking about a dollar that was owed to us. Are you owed a dollar personally for that? So, first of all, once again, I did not talk about the dollar. I'm saying that there was no quorum and as a resident, I
am allowed to go and speak. Okay. Pam, again, I let you finish. I'm just responding. So, I there was no violation. We even kind of quote unquote joked about it, but Gail was in the back and there were there was there was Okay.
Not a quorum. Mrs. Stanley doesn't mean there's not an open violation. Please let Mrs. Jollying. This was me stating in public what I've stated in public before. Okay. So, yes, it is about maintenance of the fields, right?
But it's not clear to me, right? And previously when there was a presentation regarding the turf, there was um you know, a presentation around how this was going to be funded. now if there's potentially a turf field that they're going to look to build build in Nokia
like how much of the funding or we just haven't seen a plan at all an alternate plan right so I don't know what we're going to get and for this and yes it's always about the kids right always about the kids always about the field it was
yes it is right but it's but you also have to have faith in that um the people that you're working with are going to get it done and the way that they went about it and the way that we don't as a we won't have visibility into you know
what goes on because it's not unofficial township emails and that you know I I again I'm not saying yes or no I'm just saying it's not something we could consider and discuss further Mrs. Akiri and then Mrs. Terrarero.
Okay, thank you. So, first of all, just to clarify, the question was asked as a parent and a taxpaying resident if the township paid the $1. Nobody asked from a board perspective. And I am very much aware of a board member first of all
doesn't have any right when they don't have a quorum. They're not a board member and I did specify that and I just asked a very simple question which was answered publicly that no, they did not. They're going to add it on the list. Now my other bigger concern is the the
recreation chair sending an email update using her personal email. And so going forward or till date I want to know what will be the process from the district administration for the district. Are you
going to communicate with entities regarding public property if somebody sends you an email from their personal email or are you going to request them to, you know, respectfully use their official email? So, I can speak to that. the person in
question is a volunteer um not a township or um a a elected official who has anything but a personal email. So as a volunteer she used the email to which she has access
does not have a township or an elected official email. We are volunteers as well. Yeah. But we're as the board, you have a district email that we provide for you as a board of education because you're elected officials. The
person in question does not have a township issued email address. She is a volunteer. She does not work for the town and she's not an elected official in any capacity of the town. She does not that's the only email she has. Dr. Feltry, that is inaccurate. If you
go on that is the information that was provided to me. Yes. Thank you for the comment and we've got a response. Mrs. Terrero Gail, let me let me finish my discussion and you made your point. No, no, no. I want to answer something. Mrs. Terrero, you have the mic. Gail,
let me finish. If you go on Berkeley Heights Township website right now and click Berkeley Heights Recreation, they have an email. It says Berkeley Heights. So, all I'm saying is, and this is listed on our township and I can send you a screenshot. You can check it right now.
you are looking up state statutes. Look up your information. Now, I have I still have a further point to make. So, you will continue to email even if because they're considered a volunteer. I will send an email following up on that. Now, my other question is
did we uh how are we going to address the shared services contract with the township? Do we have any set parameters? No. Okay. Thank you. That's a question for the administration. Thank you for your
points. Mrs. Terrero, you have the qu pulled the email up. Okay. That she sent just because I know there's some questions about what happens with the property now because there's no turf and and what she specifically says is the most cost effective effective solution
is to replace the existing natural gas with n I'm sorry, natural grass with natural grass sod with improved drainage, irrigation, and lights. So I I think what's important to note is that it's not like because they're not putting a turf field and they're not
doing anything to enhance the property. So I don't think because they're looking to do additional work down there. I don't think it's wise for us to walk away because they're looking to improve the property. You know what I'm saying? Like I think that we need to really think about they're not walking away from the
fields. They're just saying we can't put a turf. And and here's the other point that's important to read. When you read this email, she's saying it's not effective to put a turf field in it. She doesn't say they can't do it. She's just saying it's it's not the best use of the
dollars that they have to put it in. So, I think there's a distinct difference between that. I'm not making excuse either way. I just think that we need to kind of look a little bit at this a little bit wider and and I think it's something that
um we need to be a little more careful with our criticism of it because I don't think they're saying they wouldn't put the turf field and they're saying that it's not advised. Okay, Mrs. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, thank you, Mrs. Jolly.
Well, that's fine, but these are the answer. These are the questions that we've been asking like so what was the analysis done right you know to determine that it's not applicable what were the costs that you came up with to say oh this is no longer cost-effective right what is the new
plan right because that update was sent without a plan right in terms of what is the new funding going to look like what were the estimates so you know we don't know there's lots of there's lots of questions there were questions around you know which I still I think you know
we had Mr. Distler's opinion about how the um the lease was executed and so if the shared services agreement actually applies to the lease I don't know right I have my own opinion but it's not even worth going into that. Um but again you
know so we have no information and none of the questions asked you know were answered. So the other thing is she does say in the email once I have the new plans for the natural grass field I will share them with everyone. So I think maybe
what the best thing for us to do is to take a step back and give her an opportunity to give us a plan and then once we have that then we can make a more informed decision about what we want to do. I think that's the right choice.
Thank you. This is a new business discussion. Uh Dr. forger. So I don't with regard to the $1 I payment. I think that was a significant question. May seem like a small amount, but to me it seems sort of
complies with the contract complies with the agreement. That helps to put it into effect. If they didn't want to pay it, it might say it's not in effect. Once they pay it, I'm glad this is you're we can get legal advice on this. I don't need it right now, but Okay. Thank you.
I'm glad we got if we're getting the dollar, that's good, I think. Any other comments on your business? And they are they did award a contract to Harbor Consultants, their planner to come up with engineering and survey and
design of a natural turf field for that area. No. Uh, it did. It didn't say turf field. I asked No, didn't. Okay. Wait a bit. Yes, you're right. didn't in the in the resolution it didn't say so that's why I went and asked what is this for they
said this is for a natural turf field they did not say that in the resolution so I not in the resolution you're right but when I asked it you know in the citizens hearing I said what I asked about that resolution 170 what is this what is the exact what are you doing here why are
you doing this they said what's we're going to put a natural we want a design for a natural turf field so that's what their plan is that sounds get more information. Thank you. So they apparently they have not officially told us that's what they're doing. Is that right? We've not heard anything.
That's just the resolution. No, we have not received. So this is our new business. That seems to be their plan. Okay. Um anything else on new business? That was the only thing we had. Old business, Mrs. Stanley. All right. So I am here for the policy
committee. So again this is not my um personal request. This is the request of the policy committee. Um so the policy committee was brought policy 0155 board committees revise and they are
asking us to look at committees. So you guys are not going to do your duty as board members and close the meeting. Tom, excuse me. Mrs. Mrs. Mrs. Airi and Dr. Forger just left just walked out. Yeah. To not complete
their duty as board members to and we have one. We don't have a Gora 34. We do not have a quarum for business that does not require that we're required to send receipt. Um they've done this once before and we ran
into issues and then they tried to complain that we didn't There would be no quum. There's no quorum. There would be no quorum. The next time there's a new business meeting by them, I should walk out. Like this is just silly. This is Stanley. Let's wait to hear. So there is no quorum. So the meeting
must end. Yeah. Um if the board would like a discussion on the topic we discussed in attorney client privilege, we can do so as there is no quarm, right? You can still do so. There will be no violation of the open public meetings act. If you'd like to
continue that discussion, we can. Um, I think obviously you can have a policy discussion without a quarum, but I think your intent was to have it in public in front of the full board. Well, the problem is is that I don't think the committee should be make like we don't believe the policy committee
does not believe we should be making this decision, right? We believe that everyone should have their input because it's about committees, right? Um, so that was the whole point. This has already been uh because it's old business, it was already on the agenda last time, but we were past midnight. So, tonight would be a perfect night
because it's only 10:00. So, there are four board members. So, the things you can discuss the meeting technically doesn't have to end because you are eight members. So, any non GL business you can still you technically still have a quarum for if I'm understanding that correctly because
that would make it seven members. But issues like board policy would require five members to be present. Yeah. So, do we need to adjourn the meeting and then just go um into uh the next uh room and talk about what we had
were going to talk about? Yeah, I think the meeting you would you should end the meeting because you don't have a quum. Um the issue for attorney client is on what again that was on um about that
I forgot policy or it's a specific bill um specific bill. So I think the meeting will end um and then the board has the right obviously through the board president as we just talked about that first reading policy to have a discussion and the board members can join that discussion if they so desire.
Okay. May I have a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Thank you Mrs. Terrarero. A second. Thank you Mrs. Jolly. Voice vote not necessary. The time we're adjouring is 10:14.
Thank you.