##VIDEO ID:uNetHle5dj4## good evening everyone welcome to the board of adjustment Township of berkele heights we're located at 29 Park Avenue this is our public meeting this evening it's December 12th 2024 we have 7 p.m. on the clock please note that this meeting is being held in conformance with all regulations of Sunshine Law and open public meetings act adequate notice has been posted in the township website and the newspapers of record agenda and the posted agenda items on the township website and bulletin board in Municipal Hall have been posted at least 48 hours in advance of the meeting the agenda items will not necessarily be heard in the order listed and the meeting will not continue substantially past 10:30 p.m. I have a roll call please Mr Sullivan pres Mr kobell here Mr deia here Mr Ringwood here Mr Sylvester here Mr Pera sends us regrets M West Augustin Mr Degan sends his regrets Mr torus sends his regrets Miss wal here thank you the adoption of the minutes from November 21st 20124 this was our last meeting it was a regular session Mr Sylvester did you have an opportunity to review the minutes I did and I find them to be in order I make a motion we accept those minutes thank you and have the second by Mr please second all in favor on the amendment I I thank you the adoption of resolution application 24009 Jason Joya I believe was the correct pronunciation of his last name 32 Liberty Avenue block 1805 L 4 in the R15 Zone Mr Ringwood did you have an opportunity to review of the resolution I did I make a motion we accept the resolution I have a second by Mr cell please I'll second and a a roll call on 00009 Mr suvan yes Mr Co yes Mr deia yes Mr Ringwood yes Mr Sylvester yes motion car and M wolf can you comment on application 2415 yes that will be wait I'm sorry that is the resolution for 714 730 Springfield Avenue that we're still waiting on engineering comments and then as soon as I get them I'll get it to Augie I already talked to Augie he doesn't have any objections adop me in January okay I have one question I'm looking at 7:35 Springfield Avenue LLC and it has 714- 730 Springfield Avenue is it all the same we speaking about the same part I think he just kept the LLC from when it was Berkeley Plaza and he didn't change the name of it okay and then we are merging that parcel right correct and that'll be available for January yes okay sure and new applications for review we have our first application 2318 this is the Gil Bowski parcel located at 20 Overhill way Block 3501 blot 11 this meeting is being carried until January 23rd 2025 without further notice I believe the applicants are coordinating efforts with their neighboring parcels and the burrow engineer and Zoning officer regarding some outstanding issues moving on to our formal applications of the evening we have application 24 0016 P gello how did I do okay thank you folks if you could take a seat in this area here and we are located at 24 Riverbend Road Block 507 La 6 for the record and this is the R15 Zone located on the west side of town of Park and for the record I did riew the notice it was sufficient as to forming content so the board does have jurisdiction to hear this case and with that I'll swear you both in if you'd Raise Your Right hands pleas swear tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth self you God I do thank you and if you could give us your name and address and then you qualify yourself okay Robert Patricia thank you 24 Riverbend Road berley Heights 79 Robert you're list in forell as no Robert suser suser okay thank you we just wanted to get the record and Robert you're an architect engineer a builder Builder the contractor okay so you're the contractor and have you done similar projects in the area uh not in this particular area Warren okay gotcha so this town okay so I have a question your last name Pall P okay but Robert you own the home but Robert porello is Robert porel is my husband he was just he was he's been in the hospital for a month he was just a okay I I just wanted to make sure the application reflected the correct ownership and you just happened to also be a Robert also happens to be Robert and your last name is p suer I'm sorry okay that's where I was confused all right thank you very much if you can accept him as an expert in Contracting yes thank you very much and what's your address I'm sorry Mr Benton b n t n Avenue Leonardo New Jersey thank you thank you if you can please introduce the application and tell us what triggered any variances before the home located at 24 River Benz road if you can tell us a little bit about the special flood Hazard area if applicable um the um the application is to construct a um a family room where pre previously there existed a um a um a slab porch on grade with a um cover with a roof covering a portion of the um of the old slab of the of that patio and we're proposing to uh remove that slab and construct it um a family room on the back of the house it's an undersized lot um the the previous patio encroached the rear yard setback by one foot the setback required in this zone is 40 feet and the existing patio was at 39 ft we're proposing to add one more foot to the encroachment to make it 38 where 40 is required um and then there are there we were just we were slightly under building coverage and by adding that extra uh foot of um of the of the building um we exceeded the building coverage um on the property as well as the lot coverage on the property the um zoning officer calculated the um building and lot coverage uh part of the calculation was the part of the patio that was covered by a roof and then part of the patio that was uncovered went on the lot coverage the part that was covered by the roof was building coverage that's correct and now while we're putting the whole thing under roof we now exceed both building coverage and lot coverage by minimal and now it we really only look at total coverage even though the application is broken out there's been some changes to the ordinance oh so the really what we're concerned about now is the uh 27.5 s versus the 25 allowed uh so while on here yes you're over on building um we looking at total the applications are still little outdated so we're we were at 2498 and now we're going to 2563 I believe I think we're only increasing coverage by 65 on here it just says um existing is if I have the right one 26.8 s existing and a percentages I'm sorry I was going by square footage yeah uh just percentages so existing total coverage is 26.8 s and proposed at 27.5 s so going up less than per 50 57 plus 13 70.7% and and so that's what we're looking at is that plus the lot depth okay yeah so that's basically that's basically um the application um and and tell us about what the Improvement entails please let the record reflect that M leest has joined the board at 709 what is the rear yard Improv the rear yard Improvement is the um is the construction of a on story family room um the roof line is below the uh existing total roof line and is this a split level home uh it's a it's an it's a cape it's a cape with um uh second the with two bedrooms on the second floor and expanded Cape um dormers on the front of the house and a larger Dormer on the back of the house um and um the the property also had a deck as well as a patio the deck was removed so we actually reduced the total amount of structures I know the deck didn't go towards lot coverage but we're structured so now that there's no patio on the back of the house or deck on the back of the house is there thoughts of that for the future well we've had a change of circumstances because Mr porel has had a pretty serious medical situation so right now we're just happy to get him in the house sure you know um so they haven't really given any thought to the backyard he's he likes he likes his Gardens and if we're looking at the uh sheet five uh you've got the rear elevation that looks like there just that little bump out there with the peak that's what you're building is that what I'm looking at uh yes that's correct uh with two windows on the back that's correct yes okay that's the that's the total total new structure everything else is is um the the footprint everything Remains the Same my suggestion just keep in the back of your mind go forward if you decide to build something off the back of the house later the decks would be preferable um because again it doesn't count towards any coverage because it's really about drainage so if you had a deck going on the back of this you wouldn't have to come back here again as long as it was within any setbacks just something to think about going forward okay we will and I think that um we've maxed out as far as structures are concerned does the pool still exist a planter ister that's a planter planter with a tree I have I have the Mini version um nothing else is changing as far as anything on the coverage driveway walkways and stuff like that well four sides of the structure will match um yes one one actually abuts the garage um and um the um the siding is a nice beveled siding um all the the roof roof matches everything will be is it more of a glass room is it a sun room or is it no it's got patio doors going out to the yard and two um and two windows on the back are there any other improvements planned about the pr no I'd like to make a motion to open up the meeting to members of the public that have a question or comment regarding our application before us I'll make a motion open to members of the public second by m Mr Sylvester I second that motion the meeting is now open to members of the public that have a question or comment regarding our application before us at 24 Riverbend Road seeing no one may have a motion to close Mr Delia make a motion to close may have a second by m West and the meeting is now closed to members of the public that have a question or comment regarding 24 riverb Road Mr Sylvester any comments uh no looks good Mr Ringwood I'm good thank you Mr deia nothing Miss West no Mr coell nothing um total Improvement coverage uh the area total is area of the the square footage of the structure itself is 156 square fet okay and then there's there you have an area that's already impervious correct so we credit for the um the covered roof portion and then the put the total portion of cover of of what we were the slab that exists now is only um is only 15 feet 15 Square 15 square feet small um smaller than what we're putting in okay so the in a case like this the should this application Advance the engineer would look to make sure that you Gutter and leaders directed towards the center of your parcel as opposed to the neighboring absolutely Miss wolf any additional conditions tree any trees planned to be removed with the Improvement okay so have storm water management all four sides of the structure will match and do you have any lighting proposed on there no okay just standard code lighting out outdoor you know a light at each doorway okay perfect and they'll be downward director or shielded so they don't go yes okay free from you'll keep the property nice and organized you won't have material screwn all over the yard no okay perfect thank you okay may I get a motion on this application Mr Delan I'll make a motion to accept have a second by Miss West Second and a roll call on 24 Riverbend Please Mr Sullivan yes is presented kobell yes Mr Del yes Mr Ringwood yes Mr Sylvester yes M West Augustin oh yes motion carried 6 year uh is M West eligible to vote because she came in at 7 just you had the fans reviewed everything you're familiar with the application you have any objection to her voting not at all perfect okay thank you very much thank you appreciate have a nice even enjoy your thank you uh a solution will be available after the New Year touch base with Connie I would secure your construction permits and then touch base with the office on the other side of this wall and project okay thank you our next application this evening this is an informal review this is the Goldfinger residents Lo located at 22 Princeton Avenue block 1105 7 and 7.01 folks if you'd like to take a seat here this is an informal 15 minute session regarding an improvement of an accessory Sol now M wolf in a case like this since this is an informal session does the applicant need to be sworn in or does that carry to the next I don't think they need to be opportunity should it present itself but when they when we have the actual hearing when you do notice we will have to swear you in right now you're just hor so every once in a while we have an opportunity to meet with homeowners that are interested in a a home improvement project and sometimes things go against the grain of the rules that government borrow we experienced this with a significant Deck with a short setback earlier in the year and we're discussing a 960 Square fot accessory Improvement which is somewhat different from this board so why don't you spend five minutes and tell us what your goals and dreams are and then the board will spend a few minutes sharing some of our thoughts and opinions and our thoughts and opinions are going to be based on the rules that govern the Bor which is the municipal use and if you could just give us your I'm Alex Alex PA and garer my Pollock sorry with the p can you spell that just so we have the record sure p o l l o c k thank you very much and why don't you tell us a little bit about your project and what your goals are sure um yeah so we moved here three years ago the house is perfect love the neighborhood and the community uh I think one thing when we came in the the property the house was built in the 20 and currently has a undersized in our opinion one car garage that's difficult to park a car in um a lot of the I think existing features of the house are not conforming as they sit today including the driveway and the garage um we're looking to replace the onecar garage with an oversized twocc car garage with space for storage in the back and potentially some some Workshop space um you have hobbies like Woodworking and things like that so like to have some space outside the house to be able to do those things while parking you know two cars in the garage um we looked at a number of different architectural Styles and ours is a you know house from the 20s Dutch colonial style with a gamble Roofing um so looked at something similar on a footprint that would be aligned with the garage and then as far back into the corner as possible open up the the yard and not have it kind of sit in the middle of the backyard um went through and submitted the application but you I appreciate the time you guys are taking here for the informal hearing like I said every once in a while something yeah needs a little bit more attention and this is definitely one of those topics and like I'm happy to be having this discussion today because it may make change the flavor of the application going forward Mak sense um and I'd say you know overall the uh having additional storage space for us is a I think a huge driver um the house is a two bedroom one half bath um B Storage in it itself so you know just beyond the conventional I would say like two car garage looking for that additional depth to be able to do more things I suppose on the property so I think that's it in show okay so the lot is approximately 15,000 square feet Yes 15 in change or 15 plus yes great neighborhood great block going through a Renaissance very familiar with your area it's one of my favorite houses in Berkley my dream I have several questions and I'm going to afford the board an opportunity to comment course I'd like to learn a little bit more about the lands I know this is block s and 7.01 yes and several years ago this application appeared before the planning board as a subdiv division because it's lot 7 and 7.01 your parcel only has one address yes so the the the application before the planning board failed I want to say 15 or 20 years ago because the lot was undersized it was it was 15,000 it was 7,000 and the two lots combined are 15,000 which is what is appr apprpriate where your zone so my first question is tell me a little bit about the fence around the property I it's it looks like there are a number of different styles of fence about your property and if you could share with the board I don't know if the board has had an opportunity to drive past Princeton Avenue but it looks like there's a number of different styles of fence and if you can elaborate on that yeah and it's true there are um so we applied for offence permit I think this year or of last year yeah but we actually did the work this year um we have a white vinyl privacy fence in the front um two dogs so it keeps them from bothering everybody else and we've a black metal um fence in the back that you know at least keeps them in but you can see to the woods which is nice um we put up somewhat temporary white vinyl picket fence to enclose the garage side and the picket divides the garage from the house property right uh yes yeah so it that all enclose the backyard and then the two fences on the opposite side are not ours so on the I guess it would be on the east side there's wood fencing that's the neighbor to the east scal house right SC you have a stockade and a hedge row there that's right good that's right and then you have the G house on the other side you got it and and what is the gel fence that divides your parcel from their that is a chain a chain L yes so you've got chain on the North you've got aluminum on the East you've got Stockade on the south and then the front which is the West you have a solid fence and then you've got the picking yeah so there's five five different fences going on yes in that area is there any reason why you did not put the aluminum fence in the front to match the aluminum fence in the back U so our general concern was our two dogs um and they are reactive to people walking by they make a lot of noise and they they get really um I guess vocal yeah and we just didn't want them to be bothering everybody all the time so we decided to go with the privacy and just sort of not deal with it that was the governing idea okay so you've got solid on the front solid along scales and then why is there an aluminum fence along the back and why Why didn't you just continue the theme of the white vinyl fence along the backyard so we we actually went back and forth about this what we really loved about the property when we saw it primarily it was how open and beautiful and looking back into the um the conserved area was one of our favorite elements but obviously with the dogs we wanted to enclose it but we didn't really want to lose that element because it was so pretty and so we just decided to go with something that would be the most unobtrusive you know view into the woods while also restricting it okay you're you're also interested in putting a 960t accessory structure in the back of the property that defeats the purpose of the open space that's where I'm going with this in some way you could elaborate on that yes so the the way the property set up and so I think some photos would help too the U there's a one car garage against almost against the property line 275 square feet yes uh it's about 3 and 1/2 ft from the property line to the right of it there's already a area that's like covering gravel essentially the same width as the garage we're looking at here um behind it there's just flat land in Into the Woods and the primary area that we're looking to conserve is where we have like a very large Oak Tree in the middle of the backyard and just Green Space in all directions which has been very nice so I think part of the reason we wanted the location to be as far into like the corner of the property as possible was for two reasons one is the driveway would line up with the garage and the other is to conserve the rest of that green space that's there now the driveway that exists today is on 100% on the property line yes so there's a minimum setback of 5 feet so that that's a probably notice from the zoning officer as a violation of the municipal land use order it's pre-existing non-conforming condition I get it you've got a gravel driveway we need to get back to a 275t detached garage that exists today set back on the property at 3 feet and three feet from the prop approxim it's three feet on the GLE side and maybe a greater distance from from the rear yard yes right and then you've got the annex area that's gravel okay so should this application Advance one of the rules that govern the borrow is gravel driveways are non-permitted so the gravel would need to turn into an asphalt condition are we all about that which is good because the zoning officer recognized the gravel area and you know it went from 1500 let's say to 1700 math wise because we're going to remove the attached garage but yeah he considered that 100% imperious which is appropriate so converting gravel to Asphalt is a in kind replay it's a zero net so we're really talking about the Improvement of the 960 square foot addition can you tell us about the reason and the rationale behind 25 ft because 25 ft is significant why it seem uh you're you're 24 feet wide 40 feet deep and 25 ft from grade to Peak can you tell us what what we will should this application Advance what we will experience on the inside of the structure oh okay um so we we took a lot of inspiration a lot like the vacation time that we've had over the 10 years we've been together was up to New England and into Cape Cod and uh really like a lot of that architectural style like most of the garages that they have out there kind of match the architecture of the house uh so when we're talking about what do we want something like this to look like you know having that that same uh Gamel like architecture was what we wanted to to go after at least from a visual perspective you know same sighting as the house same um kind of like window features and things like that uh so in terms of the Interior um that'll be open space so we we've approached a few different contractors who would look at this one would actually do this as modular construction could build this and like we've experienced modular we approved our last zoning board application was a modular uh commercial really okay good to know um so the way that they pretty much have framed this up was that they there would be trusses that cross in the inside to provide structural Integrity um but it's open on the inside and would be finished it it has the the look of a twostory but it's a one-story Improvement corre there's not a loft or any habitable space plans for the above no no and I I think the we included some plans that would yeah they were they they appeared yeah early and incomplete and I know that a few of the board members are probably going to ask this question is there a second story is there do you have bays and then something up through a a pull down set of steps or is there is there a access to a second level or is it just open space open space yeah there's no there's no plans or designed for a second story which leads me to then why 25 ft if if it's a single story Improvement for to house automobiles why do we need to go up 25 ft when we've experienced 10 and 15s before the board for detached structures in the P it's a good question you know part of it is for like the amount of storage we are looking for in the garage um I do do some of my own work on cars in in the garage and like trying to get uh a truck especially off the ground to to work on a garage is is difficult with low ceilings um I think a lot of it is really driven by the architecture you know so looking at again like a lot of the ones that we've seen in in Cap Cod new englands um really we're drawn to something that matched more the style of the house than I think the architecture you you you nailed it as far as the the style of barn that you've chosen resembles the house but I'm going to take a pause here I'm going afford the opportunity for other board members Mr Sylvester did you have a comment or question regarding this informal application regarding a 960 squ ft accessory structure 20 5 ft high in the rear of the property offering 3ot side and rear yard sent I mean imagine is the house I know that that that's pretty high with nothing up there my first thought Mr Ringwood so you had mentioned that that you like to do Woodworking and you like to work on cars so and besides electric are there any other utilities that you plan on running into the garage uh nothing comes to mind it would just be electric not planning on like heating or or cooling the space um did you say you were not planning on hvic no and not planning on adding any like you know wash sinks or anything like that so I think it would just be electric and what kind of like appliances do you need to do the kind of stuff that you like to do uh a lot of it's just battery powered you know so so I think the lighting would really be to charge batteries and to provide lighting for the most part thank you Mr Del um so so is the size of it dictated by your need for storage or for work area a little both you know when we're looking at the the base footprint for the two car and uh a few of my friends have garage about the same size right so they're the width I think you're able to open a door and not nail the car next to you and get out um space in the back was sufficient for like storage on one side having at least some space for like Workshop area on the other and you do have a basement in the house I was going to say at present almost all of his tools his Workshop equipment his Workshop table um is in our basement and we do need that storage space for other things um that are more integral to the house and the actual storage of the things inside the house not his his tools he brought a lot of stuff from you know like a shop environment we have it all loaded down in the basement at at the present moment so it's a I think both would be really important storage and and workspace yeah for Grand St in the basement yeah this West um just two questions what's the current height of the current G do you know that's a good question I I don't know for a fact we probably can measure but I I'd say it's probably around 13 yeah I would say 12 12 13 is an appropriate number for that consisting structure it it it is like the gel and the next house and I want to say the man with the pipe because that's how I knew it was an elderly gentleman that sat there on the front the would smoke his pipe with his dog and that's the other house on your block before we get in the Santoro house so uh yeah that those Heights are probably 12 or 13 than single stories second question is um you mentioned wanting to lift trucks and the like are there any particular accessories or or tools that you were looking to install in order to elevate the trucks uh no just uh like hand jacks and jack stands and things like that not a hydraulic lift or anything because I think that's where Miss West was no not this side no any other questions Miss no uh Mr coell yeah I mean so this is a it's a tricky application because you're here based on setbacks right the the shed sh the garage fits on the property based on square footage but where it's located uh so between the height which requires additional setback because you exceed the accessory structure height that would need to drive it in an additional 10t right if you were to meet setback requirements U Not only would you need to be the 10- foot regular because you're 10 foot higher an additional foot in per foot height so we do the same thing with a fence if you were we we allow five foot fence on the property line if you wanted a 6ot fence you have to be six foot in so anytime something exceeds the norm Al height to help the neighbors we the town asks that it actually move in as well so you're you're not just um 7 foot short you're 17 foot short on setbacks so that's something to think about and as I as I look at this project right and I get it because we all own homes we want to we want something for ourselves that is the benefits us and provides us the greatest uh least of resistance right which is going back to that back corner leaves your full yard open but it could impact somebody else um so I don't know if you want to think about other positioning going left to right with length um you know I know that takes up more of your own personal yard but you would alleviate some setback on that back end you you may want to check out again the height requirements and the additional setbacks required because of that uh because then if you shrink the height a little bit and move it left to right you you reduce some of the things that you need to get an approval uh anyway right so when you're asking for something and if you're asking for less of it sometimes it's it's a a little bit easier um so those are the things and again you had mentioned some pictures um would be very helpful for us to see what's to the left what's behind so we always try to get a view from you know what's the person standing in their backyard next to you what are they going to see and what are they going to be missing as well so some of those visuals may help us the the next time you come so that's just kind of my comments and thoughts that's right thank you yeah and to Mr Kell's point you know this board has experienced a couple of larger shed applications Maple avenu is ringing a bell and upper prinston Avenue near Mountain Avenue was ringing Bell where we had 12 by 12 sheds and there were 20 fo rear yard and and side yard setbacks required for the shed in this case we're talking about something that's significant which is 960 are you married to that 960 square foot Improvement this board has approved 400 square foot detached structures in other neighborhoods and I'm thinking of De 46 Debbie place was a perfect example of that it was a 400 square foot single story detached garage Jim Ramen told designed that it fit in with the house the board approved it for I believe setback and potentially imp impervious coverage but it was it was a reasonable sized palatable single story application that housed two SUVs and provided a little bit of tool area for the for the owner that's 46 Deb is if you wanted to just drive past and what that looks like and it's a very tasteful Improvement there but um that's where we are with that so with that said do you have any questions or comments for us we're going to close this shortly I know that you have not provided notice to your neighbors yet and we're going to talk to Connie tomorrow or Monday regarding an opportunity before you in 20125 should you elect to advance this application but um I'm a little personally I'm a little concerned with the 960 square foot and the setbacks Mr Sylvester I am too he Mr Ring the only thing I'll I'll say to you is that what we're doing here is just kind of giving you some guidance and kind of you getting a feel for where the board's leading you can propose whatever you want So if this is what you really want anything we say here today doesn't preclude you from proposing exactly what you have so I just want to make sure you understand that you know you can propose whatever you want to do regardless of what we say a little smaller would be better Mr Del yeah the same two concerns I have size of the structure and set back M West I don't have as much about the setback as much as the height okay great Point Mr yeah and for me it's really not the size the size is applicable for the property would fit but it's where it's located and then and then the height right so I as you look at it U because again if you met all of the setback requirements and had the appropriate height you wouldn't even be here now again it would be in the middle of your backyard you'd have to find a way to get the driveway to it right but you wouldn't be here so um as I look at what you're allowed to have versus where you want to put it that's kind of what I'm judging right so you're allowed to have it just not where you want to put it so those are some things to balance and and another thing to take into consideration is since we are increasing the impervious coverage anywhere from let's say between 400 and 900 square feet just for sake of conversation there will be a storm water management plan required for the additional impervious coverage the cost of that item is dictated by the size of the seepage tank and the storm waterer management system that's required for whatever Improvement is agreed upon you know a 900 will be significant as opposed to a 400 which is it's 50% of what the size of the storm waterer management retention system would be so there's cost in there you may want to touch base with Tom Faro and investigate what a cost would be Tom will give you a ballpark he's not in the business of of Designing stormw management system systems he's in the business of approving them but that has a significant impact on the Home Improvement projects we've experienced in the past something to take into consideration you can't just dump it into the woods because Richard ler is not here tonight and he absolutely I know that was one of the comments that came back from the zoning officer too on the rear right storm water M yeah that you have this open space back there I know there are a few paper streets This Walter Street and a couple of others that I think are behind the scales and the the next house I'm trying to remember what their last Roman romano and however I you've got open space but you can't just deposit Waters from your property happy that we're not going to encroach upon the neighboring properties but you know the township is a neighboring property as well so things to take into consideration but we do appreciate you coming out and spending a Thursday evening with us and then touch base with Connie and you know as to Mr ringwood's point you are welcome to pursue any opportunity please take into consideration some of the board's comments this evening you know 960 may be high is it is this a prefabbed be PR are there other tiers of prefab you know does it start at 100 and go to a thousand you know is there something that may work for you that may work for us you know smaller number if it's preat you know that will certainly help sure we'll definitely consider that uh my only quick questions do does the sidey yard setback impact you guys as much as the rear yard setback considering there's open space in the back for me personally I'm sensitive to the sidey yard you've got the woods behind you you're in a unique situation we've had paper streets uh Oakland Princeton Yale Cornell uh those are all they all have paper streets behind them sometimes there's some latitude and flexibility with the rear yard but the side yard is sensitive and I know you could point to Mr G and say but he's three feet for me as well so it's something for you to think of I know that you're trying to keep it all packed up there thank you very much appreciate you joining us today have a nice evening enjoy your holidays touch Bas with kany tomorrow or Monday and then we'll cross the next Bridge together okay right thank you um I'd like to make an adoption for to advance to Executive session may have a motion by Mr I make we will uh advance to Executive section Regina if we could hit the pause button and if you can join us in the Next Room and we will meet Miss wolf shortly okay thank you we have a motion to rejoin Mr Delia second by Miss West Second the meeting is now open I'd like to make a motion to uh members of the public that have a question or comment on the Open Session Mr Ringwood still move have a second by Mr Sylvester second meeting is now open to members of the public that have a question or comments for the zoning board seeing no one we have a motion to close Mr Del a second by Mr K I'll second I get does anyone have any comments or questions closing at 2024 happy Holidays happy may I got a motion by Miss West motion to ajour and then is second by Mr Sylvester I second that all in favor I 2024 is now close thank you very much folks have a great holiday season thank you very much for another aing 2024 thank you for your leadership