I will now call the January 20, 2026 meeting of the Burners Township Planning Board to order at 7:31 p.m. Please stand. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America
for which it stands. In accordance with the requirements of the open public's meeting law, notice of this regular and reorganization meeting of the planning board of the township of Bernards was posted on the bulletin board in the reception hall of the municipal building at Collier Lane, Basking Ridge, New Jersey. Was mailed to
the Burnersville News Whippony, New Jersey, the Courier News, Bridgewater, New Jersey, and was filed with the township clerk all on January 22nd, 2025, and was mailed electronically to all those people who have requested individual notice. The following procedure has been adopted by the Burner
Township Planning Board. There will be no new cases heard after 10:00 p.m. and no new testimony heard after 10:30 p.m. I believe there were several oaths of office that needed to be >> Yes. Um, you want to read off the first
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven board members names, please, and I swore them all in to their oaths prior to the the meeting commencing tonight. Can you read them, please? Um, Mr. Adams Observy
Crane, Mr. Tommpkins, Miss Bannon, Mr. Schaefer, Mr. Miss Smith. >> That's And then we have this one board member who's not here tonight who will have to swear in at or prior to the next meeting. And then we have continuing
members, Yora, Manduk, and Estriangelo, who didn't have to be sworn in because their terms are still running. Yes. Can you state for the record the name of the board member who's got to be sworn in? >> Uh, Mr. Argawal. >> Thank you.
>> I will now do a roll call. Um, Miss Bannon. Mr. Crane >> here. >> Mr. Yorio >> here. >> Van Duke. >> Miss Mr. Angelo >> here. >> Mr. Schaefer >> here. >> Mr. Seville >> here. Miss Smith
>> here. >> Mrs. Burby >> here. >> Mr. Tommpkins >> here. >> Mr. Drill >> here. Mr. >> Davi >> here. >> Mr. Schly. >> And for the record, Miss Layman is present. Only one person absent and that's uh Mr.
Argaw who needs to be signed in at the next. >> We have more than a quorum. >> More than a quorum. May I have a motion to excuse the absent of Mr. AR wall. >> I'll make that motion. >> That motion if he's not sworn.
>> Why don't you make it just in case? But technically, he's not a board member yet until he gets sworn in. But why don't you just make the motion just in case? >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? I
>> I have a nomination for the office of chairperson of the board for 2026. >> I'll make the motion to nominate uh Kathleen Master Angelo. Um, anybody who has stated on this board or or been a
part of our uh meetings this past year, uh, it's been clear that, you know, Kathleen has shown to be a thoughtful, inclusive, and fair leader, and I look forward to her continuing that in 2026.
>> I'll second that motion. Just >> yeah, just so the board members know, there are nine regular members of the planning board. If one of the regular members is not there, the alternates fill in in order of alternate one and
alternate two. So on all matters where voting takes place, the most number of people that are ever called to vote are nine. So don't feel like, you know, she forgot you. It's just that the municipal land use law says that um you only call
the the number that are either present if you don't have full membership present or up to full membership no more. >> Feel bad but didn't get called. >> Um all in favor? >> Yeah. Do a roll call.
Uh, Miss Bannon, >> yes. >> Mr. Crane, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Miss Banzuk, >> Mr. Schaefer, >> yes. >> Mr. Spill, >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tomkins, >> yes. >> Mr. Tangelo,
>> thank. >> Okay, so I'll take over. >> Thank you everyone for your support. Um, at this time I would like to call for nominations for vice chairperson of the board for 2026. >> Madam Chair, I'd like to uh nominate
Tyler Seville. Uh, I know Tyler from being the years of uh on the planning board. He's the past uh vice chair. I think consistency would be good for this year seeing we have five new members. >> I would like to second that as well.
Tyler has been a very advocate and supporter. So, thank you, Tyler. I'm very happy to support you as vice. I now have a roll call. Or are there any other nominations for vice chair?
>> Bannon. >> Yes, >> Mr. Crane. >> Yes. >> Mr. Yorio. >> Yes. >> Miss Banzuk. >> Mr. Schaefer. >> Mr. Seville. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tomkins. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman. Mr. Angelo.
>> Yes. >> U. Now I would like to call for nominations for vice chairperson promp of the board. Neither myself nor available. this person within or whomever was missing or not for
whoever was missing but in order uh do I have any nominations for the position vice chair proemp of the board for 20 I would like to um nominate Mr. Eoro Mio has been on the board a number of
years done his homework at all of our different Pro tempmp. >> I'll second that. Chair >> for anyone else. I'm sorry that wanted to nominate anyone.
>> Second, Mr. Crane. I would like to have a roll call. Miss Shannon, >> yes. >> Mr. Crane, >> yes. >> Mr. Yorio, >> yes. >> Miss Manduke, >> Mr. Schaefer, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Mr. Spurvy, >> yes. >> Mr. Tommpkins. Chairwoman M. Yes.
>> Thank you. >> Congratulations. Um, at this time I would like to call for the appointment for engineer for 2020. I would like to nominate Aaron Shrager, PE WM,
New Jersey license number 24 G04614300. Second, please. Thank you, Mr. Seville. Now, Mr. Trill, do I need to read this? >> Not because it's been Well, has it has
the resolution been handed out to everyone ahead of time? >> It was sent in. >> Yeah. So, you do not have to read it. >> So, resolution number 26-01, which has been previously distributed to our board members, um, >> memorializes the appointment of
>> Thank you. memorializes the appointment of Mr. Aaron Shreger with the firm of Excelsier Consulting offer professional engineering. I have an I have motion that he be
appointed as board engineer. >> Going to be a motion to also adopt this resolution >> to adopt the resolution. I would like to also um at number 26 adopted it and I need a second for that. >> Second.
>> Bannon. Thank you. May I have a roll call? Miss Slayman. >> Bannon. >> Yes. >> Crane. >> Yes. >> Mr. Eorio. >> Yes. >> Miss Banduk. >> Mr. Schaefer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Seville. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Tomkins. >> Yes. Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo. >> Yes. Congratulations. You'll tell Mr. Shger. Mr. >> Okay. Now, I would like to call for the appointment of our esteemed board
attorney. Added an adjective there. >> Uh, Mr. Drill for the, um, year 2026. And I will nominate Mr. Jonathan E. Period. Esquire for the position of board attorney for 2026.
Second. >> Second. >> Thank you, Mr. Yorio. Resolution that has additionally been members resolution number 02 and that is whereas the planning board requires the services of Jonathan E. Drill Esquire of
the firm Stickle Koig offer sorry professional legal support to the planning. Oh, I would like to have I have motion that Jonathan E. Drill Esquire be appointed as board attorney for the year 2020. Hyphen 02 be adopted as read. And I need
another second for that. >> I'll second that. >> Great. >> I have a roll call vote. Miss Bannon, >> yes. Mr. >> Crane, >> yes. >> Mr. Rorio, >> yes. >> Miss Manduk,
>> Mr. Schaefer, >> yes. >> Mr. Seville, >> yes. >> Furby, >> Mr. Tomkins, >> yes. >> Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo, >> yes. >> And next is our appointment of our board secretary. I would like to call for the appointment for the office of board
secretary for the year 2026 and move that Joanne Slayman be appointed as board secretary for the year I need a second for that motion, please. And that's a voice vote. So, all in favor, please say >> I.
>> Any opposed? Any abstensions? Seeing none, next item on the agenda is the adoption of the official newspapers. I would like to move to designate the Burnersville News of Whippony, New Jersey, the Courier News of Bridgewater, New Jersey as the official newspaper.
Six, the daily record of Morristown, New Jersey, and the Star Ledger of New York, New Jersey are designated newspapers which by the secretary when the publication of schedule of the Burnersville News or the Courier not enable publish advanced notice or of
special or rescheduled meetings. I need a second for this motion option. Thank you, Mr. Seville. And a voice vote. All in favor say I. >> I opposed. See? Any abstensions? None. Okay. Uh motion carries. Next is the
adoption of meeting dates resolution number 2603. Bear with me, guys. Please take note that the planning board of the township of Burners will meet to discuss or act upon public business at 7:30 p.m. on each of the dates in 2026 set forth
below at the municipal building, Kier Lane, Basking Ridge, New Jersey. February 3rd, February 17, March 3rd, March 17, April 7, April 21st, May 5th, May 19th, June 2nd, June 6th by 7, July
21, August 4, August 18, October 20, November 3rd, November 17, December 8, and December 22 with January 5th as our reorganization. as our regular meeting. Notice of
revisions or additions of schedule will be posted and advertised as required by law. Formal action may be taken at all regular and special meetings. And I would like to call for a motion to adopt the adoption of the 2026 calendar
meeting dates. regular meetings of the planning >> after the first Monday of the month. >> No, >> like that. That's 7:30 p.m. in the municipal building, Kier Lane, Basking Ridge. Special meetings, if necessary, will be scheduled accordingly. May I
have a second? >> Second. >> And may I have a roll call vote? Miss SL >> Bannon? >> Yes. >> Mr. Crane? >> Yes. >> Mr. Yorio? >> Yes. >> Miss Manto? Yes. >> Mr. Schaefer, Mr. Seville,
>> Mr. Suburvy, >> Mr. Tommpkins. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman, Mr. Angela. >> Yes. >> Next on the agenda is of reorg meeting is the adoption of rules and regulations of the board. Resolution number 26-04. these rules and also disseminated to the
board. Whereas the municipal land use law provides that every municipal agency shall adopt and may amend reasonable rules are not inconsistent with law NJSA 40 col 55D 8 and that every municipal
agency governing hearings held on applications for development NJSA 40 NB. Okay, that's enough to read there. Right. >> Right. And these rules are the same rules that were adopted last year, which
are the same rules that were adopted the year before. And these I believe these are going to have to be amended sometime prior to March because also sometime prior to March. Um,
and I believe does anyone know what the township's going to be doing? Maybe Mr. Schlai does with the notices. Are they going to do it on the town on the township website? Are they setting something up? >> Yes. >> Okay. But the law says that until
February 28th, we can still use these newspapers. So, what is the township committee? >> Okay. So, >> so I in my opinion we should the board should formalize this by amending these rules and I suggest following what the
township committee does. So if the committee the committee is still going to use the newspapers and the website as of March one. Okay. So let's find out what they're going to do. But if that's what they're going to do, I suggest we do the same. So we have to go through these rules and go to the the the rule
that talks about notice which right now talks about the newspaper and add the township website but again we don't have to do that tonight. >> I have made such a note. Um the and the only other difference is that the rules
and regulations were updated bearing a print date of January 14. >> Right. The print date was updated. >> The rules have not been changed. >> Correct. No one gave me any revision they wanted. revision. >> Yes. >> Um so I would like to move and I second
that the resolution number 2 opted as have a roll call. Oh I need a second please. >> I'll second that. Chair >> have a roll call vote. >> Miss Bannon. >> Yes. >> Mr. Crane. >> Yes. >> Mr. Yorio. >> Yes.
>> Miss Manduk. >> Mr. Schaefer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Seville. Yes, >> Mr. Suburvy. >> Mr. Tommpkins. Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo. >> Yes. >> And at this time, I would entertain a motion and a second to uh adjourn this
reorganization meeting >> and return to the >> return to the regular meeting. Have a motion. >> So move. >> Second. I'll second. >> All in favor? Voice. I
at 7:47 p.m. Okay, moving right along. Thank you you all and audience members for going through that dry exercise with us. Um, next item on the agenda are the
approval of minutes regular session for December 2nd 20 five and um eligible members to on this will be Mr. Crane
myself Mr. Seville and and Miss No and correct. >> So Crane, Manduk, Mistriangelo, and Sadil. >> I have >> 21st talking about December two. You're
looking at >> Oh, wrong ones. I'm looking at the wrong ones. Sorry. >> Uh, Mr. I was looking at the wrong ones >> right there. >> Yeah, I have the wrong ones. Sorry. >> Hey, were you here?
>> That's executive. >> Yeah, but it's the same people were here for the regular >> December 2nd. >> For the executive, were you? >> All right. Okay. Well, you know what? We'll we'll um vote. And if you weren't here, that's
fine. You can just better to be safe. >> The safest way to do it is >> not. >> Yeah. To not vote. >> Yeah. Better to be safe. >> All right. >> Better to be safe. >> All right. So, um these minutes were previously uh
distributed. This is for the regular session. And the people that will be eligible to vote are Mr. Crane, Miss Manduke, myself, and Mr. Seville. Anyone have any additions or edits for the regular meeting?
I have a motion to approve. >> I'll make that motion. Chair, go ahead. >> Mr. Second. May I have a roll call vote? Mrs. layman. >> Mr. Crane, >> yes.
>> Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Next item on the agenda are the executive session minutes from that same date, December 2nd, 2025. Um, same people eligible to vote, Mr.
Crane, Miss Mr. Seville. Has everyone had opportunity to review them edits. Okay. Seeing none, may I have a motion to accept the minutes of executive session of December 2nd, 2025
as written? >> Second. I'll give the second roll call. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo, >> yes. >> Best we collect the close session
minutes. I will give them to Mr. >> Okay. >> They won't have them. >> Ah, right. They weren't there. >> Have everyone's here. >> Okay. Great. The next item on the agenda is the modification of condition, an
extension of time to have final site plan signed, an extension of time to obtain construction permits by Fellowship Village, Inc., Block 9301 lot 33 and block 9401 lot 9 8000 Fellowship
Road and 55 Allen Road planning board 22 hyphen 005B. Hi, >> thank you. Uh good evening uh members of the board and uh congratulations. Uh my name is uh Kenneth McFersonson of
the law firm FBT G uh formerly uh Given PC. uh our firm combined with another firm, hence uh the new name. >> What's give me the new name again? >> Sure. >> FBT just uh letters. FBT Gibbons. We
kept we kept our name in it. So hopefully >> What did the FBP stand for? >> Uh Frost Brown Todd is a uh law firm based in Cincinnati, Ohio. >> Okay. January 1st.
>> Okay, no problem. Uh so uh this is for uh PB22-00005 um on behalf of the applicant again, Kenneth McFersonson. uh submitted a letter on behalf of fellowship uh dated December 30th uh
2025 uh to the board uh requesting a modification or extension of condition of approval uh number one and and that uh is actually modifying uh the
resolution adopted by the board on May 20th, 2025 uh which modified the same condition for the benefit of the new uh members of the board. Uh this application goes back to
uh 2023 uh specifically October 3rd uh when the board granted uh to fellowship uh preliminary and final site plan approval, conditional use approval uh with exceptions uh for uh 8000
Fellowship Road, 55 Allen Road. And uh specifically this was for 555 Allen Road um employee housing um to house uh staff members of fellowship on site uh as part of the campus but but
separate. um if you're familiar with the property um it's close by uh but not you know especially large uh development and again just for certain members of the staff who would uh are going to uh reside there uh to better service uh the
residents. Um as I said the original approval October 3rd and then uh subsequently on May uh May 20th 2025 uh the resolution uh approving fellowship's request to to modify condition number
one and uh condition number one that was modified was the timeline to uh have final plans signed by the board and also to obtain uh construction permits. uh that uh 2025 resolution uh extended th
those two time periods. Uh one for the plans to be signed to December 31st, 2025 and two for the construction permits to be secured by June 30th, 2026.
uh as per our letter uh of December 30th uh we're requesting a further uh modification or extension to that condition uh to extend both of those dates uh by at least 90 days. >> Can you give me the exact if you take
the plans to be signed by December 31, 2025 and you add 90 days, what date do you come up with? >> I was just thinking that uh let's see >> do it you know instead of 90 days say three months. >> Three months. Yeah. January. >> Can I jump in there? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Okay. I was going to suggest that anyway. >> Yeah. Go for six months and >> the end of June. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So, we modified to that. >> So, you want plans to be signed from December 31, 2025 to June 30th, 2026.
>> Correct. and you want permits from June 30th, 2026 to December 31, 2026. Is that correct? >> That is correct. Uh Mr. Dur. Thank you. >> Can you explain to the board the reasons? I know it's in your letter, but just you could just summarize.
>> Of course. Yes. Uh so the uh fellowship resubmitted uh plans addressing the conditions of approval. Uh that resubmission was uh November 25th, 2025. Uh we received comments from the board's
professionals uh December 12th, 2025 from uh Mr. Schlly uh which we revised the plans accordingly. Uh since then I also received um comments I believe Mr. Schlly from the the fire
official maybe and that he did not have any comments. So uh we're we have those we've revised the plans accordingly. Uh we after that on December 29th uh 2025 we received review comments on our
submission from the board engineer uh Mr. Monaco and uh obviously you know two days between the the deadline and uh you know the letter date um when we received it not enough time to uh actually the
just for the record his letter UTRS letter is December 26th 2025. Um so we're reviewing those plans. Um our project engineer uh Mr. Dan Doerty from
Dynamic Engineering is uh here tonight. Um and just in order to get those uh comments uh revise the plans accordingly uh just to be safe, you know, we request for six months. We don't
anticipate >> and the board now has a a new engineer also. Correct. >> That's correct. >> And that might also add some time, right? >> Correct. Yeah. New engineer. We want to make sure um you know everything's in order as far as his review. Um so I think it's it's the certainly the
prudent thing to do and it's necessary um from our point of view. We understand we've been back for an extension prior but um you know there's a lot of uh due diligence and bail. >> That's one of the reasons instead of seeking three months you're now seeking
six months. Correct. >> Correct. The new board engineer I think um for that reason it's appropriate. um just to make sure we're in conformance with his comments >> that and then you'd say that would follow if the plans don't have to be
signed until June 30th, 2026, then the time for permits shouldn't be the same June 30th, 2026, but should be 6 months beyond that as was the the phasing or the timing from the initial approval. Correct.
>> That's correct. And um there's some conditions that have to be addressed uh after the plans can be signed that u you know not anything complicated. A couple of um I believe it's uh an an additional easement um for
>> consolidation >> lot consolidation. Thank you. Needs to be recorded uh with the county. Um so on the >> right because this was a lot that you uh a private lot that you acquired. That's correct. Remember that. Yeah. That's correct. Uh Madam Chair. Um, so again,
you know, that's the reason for the permit extension request and don't anticipate to take up the whole time. I know we said that last time, but >> you know, but this time we're, you know, farther along. U,
>> are you are you good now or you have anything else? >> Let me just take one quick look. I I think that mostly covers it. I >> think you covered it. >> While you're looking, I just I'll ask Mr. Schly if he has anything to add. No, I think it's appropriate. >> Want to cut you off if you have anything
else? >> That's okay. No. Um, no, unless there's any questions. You know, we we do have our project engineer here, but that's uh you know, the reasoning for the request and fellowship looks forward to uh moving forward with it. Um, but you know, making sure that it's been
properly reviewed. >> Any questions by board? I just want to ask for new for new board members. If this was a formal hearing, I would be swearing in witnesses. This is not a formal hearing. This is an administrative request for an extension.
Some extensions do need notice. This is not one that needs notice under the MLUL. So, that's the reason I haven't sworn anyone in. Also, this has not been on notice because it doesn't have to be under the MLUL, but it is a public meeting. And so after board member questions, there
might be some people that might be in the audience that might have questions. Just saying. >> This is pretty pro- fora though. You have you're it's up on aisle five basically. >> Yes, I think that's fair to say. Yes.
>> Any questions by anyone? >> Have you start the easement process? >> Yes, we drafted a easement. It's been reviewed by uh the township attorney approved with no comments. Uh Mr. Schl took a look at it or maybe only in the township attorney.
>> Fire lane. Is that the fire lane? Yeah. >> Which we we've prepared the meets and bounds legal descriptions. Uh >> form of the document was >> I mean was that the easement for a fire lane or something? >> Um the easement was for uh storm water
towns access to it as per the township's ordinance. fitness center, etc. So, see no questions. Any questions from the public? >> Um, could we have >> on a motion?
>> A motion >> for a roll call vote. >> Yeah, a motion. I I suggest someone make a motion to grant the requested condition modifications to grant the two requested extensions. >> Want to say so moved if you want.
>> I will make that motion. >> Oh, sorry. Did someone else say it? >> Go ahead. I'll second it then. So, Miss Bannon will make that motion. >> You did. >> Thank you. And I will second. And could we have a roll call? Miss >> Bannon?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Crane? Yes, >> Mr. Yorio. >> Yes, >> Miss Manduke. >> Mr. Schaefer, >> that's the attorney a question. >> Yes. >> Not being present for the previous hearings. >> So, if this is if this was a motion for reconsideration, if this was a
continuation of a hearing, you would have to um listen to recordings and sign a certification. This is not this is an administrative extension. You are eligible to vote on it unless you felt that you know you needed more information or you don't understand. But I I think you understand. Yes.
>> Question now. >> Yeah. Very good question though. >> So, Mr. Scurvy, Mr. Tommpkins. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman, Mr. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, members of the board on behalf of fellowship. They appreciate it. Thank you. >> Are you staying up for this next?
>> I am, madam chair. >> Okay. So, um the next item on the agenda is the review of the annual parking lot, the parking report, excuse me. Fellowship Village, Inc. block 9301 lot 338000 Fellowship Road PB13-
00 6C. Welcome back. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um again, for the record, uh Kenneth McFersonson, FBT, Gibbons LLP on behalf of uh Fellowship Village, Inc. um formerly known as
Fellowship Senior Living, Inc. uh under the original approval for the again for the benefit of the new board members which dates back to 2016. On this one, hold up one second. So on this one to part you can participate you can ask
questions but on this one the only people that can vote in my opinion are the six >> yes >> members who were always members and one of the members this hearing commenced on October 215 and all six of you five of
the six of you were here but Mr. Yorio has signed a certification that he listened to the recording of October 21. You signed that certification tonight, right? >> Correct. >> That makes Mr. Yorio eligible. And then all six of you were here on December 2, 2025.
>> Were you here in December? >> Was here because she asked a very pertinent question. >> Talked about the parking on October 21. on December they asked prior to the December 2nd meeting they asked to be moved to this Oh, you're right. >> There was no testimony at all on
December two. It was just that they wanted a continuence because the board, >> right, the board members in October >> wanted one more thing studied and that was a >> the a additional >> theater,
>> I'm sorry, a very large theater event prior. >> Right. And they and as of October 21, my notes reflect that as of October 21, you didn't have one of those, but you were planning this big thing around Christmas time, >> right? And so on October two, you said,
"Let us, you know, take uh do the study at the Christmas show and then we'll report back on January 20th." >> Correct. >> So the six people that were eligible from October 21 are eligible tonight. >> Five and then the affidavit for
>> correct. Still, even though the new board members can't participate, I think this would be a very good educational experience because I have a feeling that this board has not seen the end of Fellowship Village >> on for other applications. So, I think
that you should give a >> a a full description so to bring new board members, start to bring them up to speed. >> Sure. Thank you very much for that, uh, Mr. Drill and Madam Chair. Uh, yes. So uh that is correct. Uh we submitted a
adjournment request originally um after the last hearing we were here on this matter October 21st, 2025 uh where we uh presented a parking report that was submitted by uh Gary
Dean of Dolan and Dean. And the board uh as was said uh requested that uh fellowship go back and uh present uh data from an additional
theater event as to parking capacity um for a uh a well attended uh theater event obviously so you could uh understand the parking implications uh for a popular event with lots of people on campus.
Um so on that point uh fellowship uh identified an event that was uh selling well up to capacity. Um and that event took place uh December 14th uh 2025
and fellowship's consulting uh engineers Dolan and Dean uh were on site and conducted a a traffic a parking count really um as to uh at the site on that day for that
event. Um, and we have uh a representative here from uh Dolan and Dean the report. >> Who is the representative from Dolan and Dean? >> Sure. Uh, the representative is uh, Mr. Doug. If you could last,
sorry. >> Okay. >> Forget pronouncing it. Spell it slowly. >> He's gonna come up though, right? Y. >> Okay. I'm gonna ask one more time. Okay. And I'm not qualifying you, but I just have to figure out who else I have to swear in. And I'm going to have to swear you in. Is Mr. Mark Aguilar still
here? You were sworn in. Mr. Schlly was sworn in. Now, is the new township engineer going to have anything to say about this? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I also have to get Vince sworn in. So, I'm going to ask Vince and Mr.
I'm gonna call you Doug because I'm having a problem. Both of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to give in this proceeding will be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. Okay. You'll end up qualifying him, but at least we get them sworn in. And also for new board members, some board attorneys
swear in I swear in all experts on every hearing on an application. If there's three hearings in a night, I'll swear them in three times. Other board attorneys take the position that they swear in the board experts at the reorg meeting for
the whole year. Okay. But I safe than sorry. Some people will swear someone in for the evening session. So Mr. Schlime and Mr. Aguilar, you remain under oath, correct?
Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Drill. Um, so yes, that additional theater event uh which was included in uh the most recent uh uh report by Dolan and Dean dated December 17, 2025. That was the one item that the
board was looking for us to address uh at the October 21st meeting. The second item uh was to provide counts for four weekdays during the late AM and early PM peak periods. Um we had uh fellowship
and Dolan and Dean and a couple different parking annual parking uh evaluation reports had submitted weekday data. Um but this was more specific is what the board is looking for. Um
Lenniac will can address that in a moment. Um just for the benefit of the board again this original approval dates back to 2016. Um that was for uh at least the health
center. Um couple other major components that are now uh developed at the site uh for fellowship. And one of the conditions of approval uh included compliance with a parking management program in response at that time to
concerns by members of the public that the uh expanded development of fellowship would uh create you know parking or traffic impacts. Um and one of the requirements of the parking management program was for fellowship to
submit a annual parking evaluation report from a independent professional u you know once the certificates of occupancy permanent certificates had been issued
for that development which they have been uh we've submitted I think it's this is the third uh report now. Um it they've been reviewed by the prior board engineer uh Nelly and then UTRS
and um so that that's essentially uh the background and uh like I said Dolan and Dean submitted the latest report December 17th 2025 which was uh reviewed by uh the new board engineers uh
Excelsier Consulting who uh issued a letter January 16th, 2026. Um, I'll I'll let uh the board engineer speak to that letter. Um, in the meantime, I would like to call up Mr.
Pliniac just briefly to go over Dolan and Dean submission. >> That's okay with you, man. >> Yes. >> You guys can stay like that or you can switch. We just need each of you by a microphone. Okay. Um, and um, Mr. Peniac, if you could
just give the board the benefit of your expertise. >> Yeah. Have a mic real close. >> All right. I'll try and talk loud, too. Uh, I am a graduate of uh, Lehi University uh, in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania with a bachelor's of science and civil engineering. Uh, I
acquired that degree in uh, 1998. Since that time, I've been working in the field of traffic engineering. Um, I've been a licensed engineer in the state of New Jersey, uh, for approximately the last 22 years, uh, working in the field of traffic engineering exclusively. Uh, I've testified before over 110 municipal
planning and zoning boards in New Jersey. I've been, uh, before this border, at least in Bernard's, but not for some time. I believe the last time I testified here was RMA application on Allen Road as well. >> Thank you, Mr. Pontiac. And, uh, Mr.
Flint, you were a signatory to Dolan and Deans. >> Hold up one second. >> Board have any questions on his qualifications? >> No. And anyone in the public have any questions on his qualifications? >> Have him as a a traffic engineering
expert? >> I would like to. and also for the benefit of new board members. Under the board rules, the chair makes preliminary rulings and decisions on all procedural matters, evidential matters, etc., etc.
If someone can make a motion to re overrule or reverse the board chair's ruling, otherwise the board's chair's ruling becomes a ruling of the board. So, I don't hear anyone making any motion to overrule her acceptance as a the traffic engineer is a traffic
engineering expert. So, that's the ruling of the board. >> I normally don't say this every time, but in our rules and regulations. >> Yes, it is, but I'm just until >> I think it's good to explain it. >> Okay. I just want I don't want anyone to get insulted or anything. >> We could all use a refresher.
>> I I even appreciate the refresher very much. Thank you. Um, so, Mr. Pontiac, uh, you you were a signator to the, uh, report submitted December 17th, 2025. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Okay. Could you uh for the benefit of
the board, could you uh provide a a summary of the data collected and the findings? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, as has been discussed at the uh October 21st, 2025 meeting uh at our December 17, 2025
parking evaluation to satisfy the two outstanding uh issues primarily uh counting another large theater event and also providing some more specific just daily information as opposed to averages. And
so what we did, as you heard, was we studied the theater event that took place on December 14th, and it was a nearly sold out performance of uh it was called Sons of Serending Dip. Uh and I believe that was a holiday show. Uh the attendance that evening from uh scan
tickets was 201 attendees. Uh 244 tickets were sold. The theater capacity is 257. So, um pretty pretty close to I mean sold out, but uh well attended with 200 out of about 250 seats.
Did parking accumulation uh counts every half hour uh in advance of the show and as well after it's uh it began and we found that um but understand the peak occurred at 2:30 which just happened to be the start of the performance. So everyone was in their seats, everyone
had arrived. Um now on the locations where we performed counts we found that there were 349 parking spaces available during that time and those were defined in the parking management plan. Uh there are 559 spaces within that region and
therefore demonstrating that 210 parking spaces were available uh over the course of that um that area demonstrating that uh there's about 38% capacity available during that show. So there's substantial
parking available still if the show was even more attended between the 200 and 250 seats. So with that based on the accounts that we did on the on the prior event adding it together with this it demonstrates that during these um larger events that there's no undue demand on
the parking associated >> obviously the closer parking spaces were taken I noticed and the handicap spaces closer. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Obviously for convenience those space Uh in addition to that, within our
letter, we appended some data that was collected uh specifically in March of 2025. And it just provided a layout of specific days that were were counted in a uh later morning about 9:00 a.m. in an early evening about 400 p.m. Not on
necessarily specific days that had events, just your general um general activity day. and over the course of those dates found that there was more than substantial parking available as well. Our office had confirmed those that data by some counts that were performed in May and I think previously
discussed in testimony. So overall um whether or not there be a theater event or not, there is um more than sufficient capacity for additional parking to take place on the subject property. And I think through virtue of submission and and performance of these additional counts uh that we satisfied the
requirement of the uh parking management plan >> um is I ask our the engineer to >> and I'll just add madam chair this was um a good exercise also for fellowship to understand uh you know their parking
capacity and um you know based on events events such as this Um, so you know, we appreciate uh the board's uh patience with us getting it right and addressing uh based on the last
>> unclear at the last hearing and yeah things that we asked you for. >> I have a question. >> Um have you guys considered and I I happen >> um that's a good question. two theater events,
>> theater events, you know, family day, a theater event, what what whatever. Are there two events that can happen simultaneously? Where would each one would stress the parking situation? >> So, the um main auditorium theater space would just be occupied by one event. I
think that's fair to say. >> How many theaters do you have in the facility? >> One. >> No. No. New board members don't know. >> Yes. Just one. Uh theater. Sabiski theater. auditorium uh gathering space they call it.
>> I would assume you parking spaces. >> Yes. >> So Mr. Thompson Tomkins is asking is there ever a situation where you have theater event speaking for you >> and on Mother's Day? >> Right. Sure. If you don't mind, I think
since he's still sworn in, maybe uh executive director, >> you can stay right there. You can sit right next to you. Just slide him the microphone. >> Do you understand the question? >> Yes. Um, we have an executive director of the theater because Suminsky Theater is a separate entity and works hand
inand with me and management to make sure that any major events are communicated so there are not big events concur concurring at the same time occurring at the same time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, sure.
>> Just for the benefit again for the board. Um the uh parking was also studied. Uh one fellowship a couple years ago we requested a modification for the 2016 approval that had to do
with when the theater could be >> Yes, I remember that. >> Right. That's just for the record. That is parking management program dated February 16, 2016. Item six was modified by a resolution adopted on June 7, 2022.
And that parking management program dated February 16, 2016 is a requirement. Condition 22 requires that of the initial approval resolution. Yes, that's
correct. And that had some uh restrictions on when fellowship could um operate the theater. um >> allowed you to do operating hours, but I think we did rush hour um >> retains that restriction. I think it's
>> 4 to 6 p.m. >> I wish I had it exactly >> 7 p.m. 4 to 7. >> 4 to 7 p.m. Right. Um but so and as part of that process, we also had um Dolan and Dean uh Mr. Gary Dean um from that office. He did a separate report
studying that issue. also said that you know it's been it's been well studied I' I'd say from uh that uh point 2022 till now we're in a good spot in terms of parking where fellowship and the board I think
can be comfortable now that everything on the campus is pretty much it no is you know occupied so >> yeah just >> Mr. has a question. >> Have something. >> I just want to read into the record the
your recollection is correct. the that condition 22 of the 2016 resolution was modified to state, quote, there shall be no ticketed theater events that are open to the public on weekdays between the peak hours of 4 to 7 p.m.
For these events, cast, production, crew, and musicians shall be directed to park in the health center parking lot. Signage shall indicate theater entrance through the lower employee entrance directly to the theater. Thank you, Mr. Dur.
>> And Mr. Crane, >> just the quick math. Um, if the theater had been fully occupied, it looked like there was 56. >> If you took that off the 210 of available spaces, it'd be roughly 160.
>> But you're assuming that all 56 drove that no one carpool. >> He's saying he's assuming the worst case as Mr. Crane does. >> Yeah. No, that's fine. Just want to point that out. Yeah, there's a substantial buffer if this show >> question I forgot to ask you last time.
Gentlemen, >> take the microphone. >> Oh, gota be real close. We have a third world country mic. Push the microphone toward you. >> Ask your question. I will. >> Okay. Uh I know you've been back and forth uh in leadership, but uh how long you've been the last when you came back? Has it been a couple years?
>> Yes. 2021 I became the executive director at Fellowship Village. Just as as a b aside, have you ever had any complaints where there isn't enough parking? >> No. No, I have not heard a complaint. >> Or you were there before, right? >> I was there as a CFO.
>> And did you have any complaints? >> No, not at that time. No. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. >> All right. Any other questions? Public want to ask any questions? These two witnesses, >> these two witnesses or the board experts
also, >> please identify yourself for the record. >> Uh, Erstein, 172 Riverside Drive. I was just looking at my notes from October 21st. I was there. >> These are questions at this point. at
this point. It's just when did you count Did you count the public spaces and the private spaces also because I think that was a problem last night. >> Yeah, we counted the spaces that were included in the parking management plan. So, um I could list them if need be.
>> Go ahead. Yeah, I mean we looked at the uh the health center lot, the community center oval and then uh the certain parking areas um Antioch uh probably pronounc a e aisus Jericho and Gilead. So those
were the locations where we counted parking. >> Also if I remember correctly besides the second performance they wanted did you um count four dates? They have four dates of count. >> Yes, we provided that was before.
>> No, they provided we asked >> we added them to this letter as well. >> We asked for 4 days late AM and PM. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Mr. Edelstein. Any other public? I don't see anyone.
>> So, um, from Excelsier, >> how about taking public comments? >> I wanted to see if our ex board um engineer had anything to add. with Excelsier Engineering. I just want to add that the uh the
resolution of approval are that two of these studies were to take place actually the third study because the second one um but we feel after we've reviewed it we've heard the testimony that was
and that they would know parking council. >> Questions of our board engineer, >> questions from the public of our board engineer. Public comments
>> public's indicating no. >> So, um I'm going to need a um parking report be accepted. >> I have a motion that the annual parking report by block 9301 lot 338,000
Fellowship Road >> accepted. >> Be accepted and they now comply with the conditions of the resolution as to parking. >> So moved. Yes, she can. >> Oh, you were there. >> Yes.
>> I'm so sorry. >> This is Groundhog Day. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss >> I will emphatically second Miss Smith's. >> Okay. So, I have Miss Smith for the motion and Mr. Seville for the second.
And I do appreciate you, Miss Smith. And may I have a roll call vote of those people that are eligible to >> crane? >> Yes. >> You are you? >> Yes. >> Van Duke Seville. >> Miss Smith. >> Yes.
>> Definitely. Yes. >> Definitely yes. >> Chairwoman. Mr. Angelo. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Apologies, Miss Smith. >> We're just making sure you're on your game. >> Uh thank you. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you for your interest and patience. >> Yes. And we're very happy to have this
behind us as well. And thank you. >> Thank you. >> So, thank you. >> And happy new year. Yes. Happy new year. Okay. >> All right. Moving on. Um, we would like to move into an executive session to discuss matters of employment relating
to our planner. Um, so may I have a motion to go into We're going to excuse everyone. >> Um, into close session, please. >> Miss Manduke, may I have a second? >> Second.
>> Bill, do I need a roll call for that? >> Yes. >> May I have a roll call for the close session, please? >> Fannon, >> yes. >> Mr. Crane, >> yes. >> Mr. Yorio, >> yes. >> Miss Manduk, >> Mr. Schaefer? >> Yes. >> Mr. Seville? >> Yes. >> Mr. Suburvy? Yes, >> Mr. Tomkins.
>> Yes. >> Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, >> uh, we have to >> kill your mic. Are we on? >> Okay. So, I would like to have a motion
to close the close session and open the open session, please. >> Thank you, Mr. Schaefer. May I have a second? Second. >> Hopkins. May I have a roll call? Bannon, >> yes. >> Mr. Crane, >> yes. >> Mr. Eorio,
>> yes. >> Miss Manzuk. >> Schaefer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Billy. >> Yes. >> Mr. Tommpkins. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo. >> Yes. Okay. Our o our session is now
open. >> Welcome back, Mr. Edelstein. >> Fan. Our fan club. All right. Um, so at this point I would like to have um a motion to allow the
chair myself to hire a planner, Miss Allison Fehey from the firm of Burgess Associates 2026 as our planner for the board. >> Van Duke has the motion. A second, please. >> Second.
>> Bill seconds. May I have a roll call? Miss Slayman, >> Bannon, Mr. Crane, >> yes. >> Mr. Goro, >> yes. >> Miss Manduk, Mr. Schaefer, >> yes. >> Mr. Seville, >> Mr. Suburvy, >> Mr. Tomkins, >> yes. >> Chairwoman, Mr. Angelo, >> yes. >> Thank you
>> everyone. And I want to thank Mr. Seville and Mr. Crane for helping me with the interviewing of um Miss Behe and Mr. Burgess. Um, do I have any comments from members? I have a comment. I'd like to welcome
the five new board members and a lot of education that you can get. They uh uh courses that you're supposed to take I think within 18 months. Um have any questions? I've been in
business for 50 years. Um not about an application but like site plan uh reading stuff like that. I I'm retired now. So feel free to call me. >> I would also like to um welcome everyone um all of our new members. I think
you'll find and our returning members. Thank you for helping. And um thank you to our outgoing members that aren't here um that served us. I appreciate that they did their service well. and to our board professionals. Um
I also am going to be cancel February 3rd me meeting at this on the agenda. We're going to hold off on making any decision on February 17th. Have some business to conduct. then I
will definitely be in touch with Miss Layman. That is canled but February 3rd will be cancelled. If I have any other comments, any comments from staff. >> Okay. So with that, I'll entertain a
motion to adjurnn. >> Make that motion, chair. >> Thank you, Mr. Crane. A second. Second by Miss Bannon. All in favor? Any opposed?