e e e e e e okay excellent excuse me everyone can I ask you to take your seats please we're going to call to order tonight's
Township of Bernard zoning Board of adjustments um the first item of the agenda is the flag salute so if you could stand please stand FL States stands na
indivisible andice for all in accordance with the requirement of the open public meeting laws notice of this meeting of the board of adjustment of the township of Bernards was posted on the bulletin board in the reception hall of the municipal building on colier Lane Basking Ridge New Jersey it was also mailed to the Bernardsville
News whiy New Jersey The Courier News in Bridgewater New Jersey and it was also filed with the Township Clerk all on January 8th of this year it was also mailed electronically to all those who had requested individual notice the following procedure has been adopted by the Bernard Township zoning Board of adjustment there will be no new cases
heard after 10:00 tonight and there will be no new testimony heard after 10:30 tonight um Miss keber can I ask you to do a roll call please certainly uh Mr Cambria and Miss Pichi have indicated they are unable to attend this evening chairwoman janers
here M Bowman here Mr Krauss here M pakar here Mr K here Mr hon M Herrera Mr sheski here Mr Quinn here Mr SCH here as for the Record Keeper is
pres Madam chair you have a receed thank you Miss keer appreciate that um the next item uh on the agenda is the approval of minutes that's 5A that was from our November 6 2024 regular session meeting I think those minutes were um
circulated in advance um some of us I know had uh made comments and or edits are there any other comments or edits or a motion to approve as drafted mam shair if I could before we do that uh I motion that we excuse the absences of Mr Cambria and M vichi that's a good
idea second thank you all in favor iOS thank you thank you Mr tanky um back to the minutes um are there any further comments or edits on the November 6
regular session uh minutes or uh a motion to approve as drafted you drafted Madam chair I'll make a motion to approve as drafted thank you m palman second thank you Mr thany the only one who's here this evening who's on
eligible to vote would be Miss poar um all in favor I and Miss poar I'm assuming you will abstain I will obain thank you thank you okay the next item on the agenda is
a completeness hearing um for uh pingre Corporation are you pingry Corporation I'm not Madam chair if I may um I had my name is Keith llin I'm an attorney with the law firm engino Taylor um I had conversations
with your attorney and if I may just briefly address a correspondence that we sent earlier today okay you sent the letter yes yes you're here for whom so I'm from the law firm engino Taylor our firm was recently retained to represent signature Acquisitions with respect to
property located at 150 Allen Road yeahor was your last llan Lou GH l n and we had sent in a letter um to the board um earlier to I think earlier this afternoon just to request
reconsideration of a denial I understand based on conversations with your Council that we that the board's not going to um hear it tonight which we understand I just wanted to make sure because there's deadlines for filing same just wanted to make sure that the our letter was
received by the board in timely fashion and I understand the board will consider it at a future meeting um Mr Lo sure couple words I just prepared we did receive your letter I can confirm that the board did at least receive it okay um yeah we can't address this de evening the reasons being first and foremost
it's on the agenda second um no no notice was provided either to the board or interested parties uh third like you said we only just received this letter from you know this request from you by letter this morning I'm sorry earlier this afternoon right the day of the meeting um so if the board decides to
consider the request then and only then will anyone be heard on it um and if the board does consider the request then it will be properly scheduled put on the agenda and all interested parties members of the public will be provided the re and notice an opportunity to be heard and I'd also just point out board members poar and bman were recused from this matter
anyway you know take three out of five out of here have I understand just regardless of that obviously we have a process here and we set agenda and it's planned months in advance so we're definitely not going to hear anything not disputing that just want to make sure that we got it in the record and
also so like I said we're trying to take a Fresh Approach we've just been retained we we believe we're going to change this and we think the reconsideration will be appropriate at the appropriate time so thank you very much thank you Mr apprciate your understanding thanks okay thank you um next on the
agenda is uh the completeness hearing 6A it's for the pingre corporation which is ZB 24024 um yes we are we are here okay you can you can come up guys can
leave you can come up um at this time I'm going to excuse myself I'm going to ask Mr tanky to chair uh the meeting if you will do that for me Miss keeper I'm gonna excuse myself thank you have a good evening okay thank
you I'm yeah over Mr seski if you want to um witness or I'm Council so okay unless he wants to be I think I don't think it's going to be necessary no testimony from
me counc do you have any people would be justifying tonight uh I have a couple people available but let me just enter my appearance once you get settled in sit yeah thank you so I'm Roger mayor linderberry mccor MC esbrook and Cooper Westfield
represent the pingry school pingry corporation um I do have two people here uh basically available to answer questions uh there's really one issue I think that Mr SCH will raise too but I have Mike wels who's the uh director of
facilities of pingry and Brian enus who's our site engineer from bowler both of whom are available so if questions arise for them um they can be sworn and answer those questions Mr SCH you want to go through your sure I uh issued a completeness
review memo dated November 27 2024 there are five outstanding items on that list item number one has been submitted items number two three four and five have not been submitted I believe the applicants here to for at least one submission
waiver um so I guess at this point maybe we want to hear from the that's correct and I'll bring Mr enus up to to uh provide the details but we are asking for a uh a waiver at this time of the LOI submission we have
submitted to the state it's in process we understand that that would be a condition of uh final approval if it's granted and that we before any construction clearly could start on this project we have to have the LOI in place but we'd like to proceed uh with it
pending if uh uh if at all possible because we have some some deadlines we're actually adjusting and constructing another practice field for the World Cup and we have a World Cup field that's been there since 1992 it was training sites 92 94 for the women's
team um and it's we've been asked to be a training site again but the standards have changed so they've asked us to do some improvements to the the grass fields which is the subject of the application we're trying to stick to their schedule because they they push us so we're asking for the LOI it's really
a provisional waiver but we would have it in place pending final approvals so Mr enus if he sworn can just tell you where that sits right we swear testimony the truth whole truth I do please um my name is
Brian NIS b r y a n e a H NES and I work for bowler engineering 125 Half Mile Road uh Suite 207 in Redbank New Jersey um I've also been in front of this board before previously um as Roger
stated basically we submitted for the this technically isn't a official public hearing but Mr chairman he accept it as an expert yes we'll accept great thank you um as mentioned previously we did submit for the LOI back in July we just haven't heard back from the de
the plans do have the LOI that was flagged and submitted to the D and at this point we're just asking to proceed understanding that any Loi and or de pering would be an approval condition should we get a favorable result so um we're just really asking to proceed at
this point and the other three items that haven't been submitted yet will be submitted within the next week or two okay any questions from any of the board members on this it's the Back Field that you're removing I saw excavators stuff yep okay yes I was there for a tournament weeks ago so I saw that yeah
so that whole area is going to be redone okay they have certain permits that don't require board approval to do what they're doing that's they're not getting started on anything that correct no sometimes I saw the removal and I asked somebody that worked at reaction
together creating two fields or something back there two Fields yeah so there's a baseball and a soccer right now and it's going to go to two soccer fields yep and we do have our SCD oil conservation permit as well to start that work so by the time we see you you would
have all of the other reports submited yes so the storm water management report would be yes yep two four and five are going to be submitted David you have no issue with that you're all no the board's heard this before D takes forever and we have
the plans the plans showed the delineation uh prepared by their Wetlands professional it's just a process to wait for and why why wait but isn't this an area I mean I I've seen the pingry site this Wetlands all over is this an area that was
previously delineated and it's being red delineated yes so that had previously expired so we had to ref flag and go through the process again so we have a pretty good idea that that line is going to be pretty similar so thank you and you guys will have enough time
to review everything it come in later yes the the other items that need to be submitted will need to be submitted certain amount of time before the hearing projecting this will be heard in February so there's plenty of time for them to get that stuff in yep so any uh vote on completeness would
be conditioned upon I would just deem it incomplete and then once we get the three items we'll put it on presumably the January agenda so you're recommending finding it incomplete as of right now yes based on the three items assuming the board's going to wave the why okay
okay anyone wants to make a motion on that I'll make a motion I guess I guess we're just making a motion motion to deem incomplete to deem this incomplete and that all of these items will be submitted saf for item number three which would be provided post approval yes approval is granted Grant the waiver
for the yeah you're granting jerse I think everybody understands that motion right yes thank you second second thank you Mr CR was it all in
favor weally do it all favor pardon me is it all in favor a roll call for we're doing roll call okay M yes yes yes yes thank you thank you very much
than you thank you thank through all have a great holidays well thank you all right next item on the agenda is CSN NJ R LLC zb2 24-18 Mr chairman real quick while everyone's getting set up I will just
point out for the record um I did review the applicant's notice I kind it be sufficient in terms of uh content and time of service board members mayor Paul actually this matter was uh virtually scheduled for last month but we had to carry it because the applicant need to notify um propert live in Burnville because the subject properties on the
border um about this application they hadn't done so by that prior hearing but uh so we carried it with them just being required to provide that additional notice which to my understandingly done so like I said the board is jurisdiction in my legal opinion so that's my shiel Mr Z I don't know if you want to
go first you want me to swear everybody in it's it's your show uh I'll just give an opening then I have three people like sworn in only two of whom I intend to take a direct testimony from uh for the r for the record Frederick zelli Post poock on behalf of the applicant CSN n
LLC this is regarding five Brookside Avenue block 701 Lot 4 it's located in your R six residential Zone applicant wishes to renovate and expand the existing single family residence on the property and then to sell the same to a residential user the Lots located in a single family residential neighborhood
but the adjacent properties to the right and to the rear of this particular lot are both commercial uh the right adjacent property is the gasoline station and auto repair facility and the rear adjacent property is automatic Waters office and facility the left adjacent property is a single family
residence the site is severely under sized it's 0.14 Acres where 3/4 of an acre is required uh it has non-compliance sidey yard setbacks on both sides the left side yard setback is more compliant 13.6 where 15 uh feet is
required uh and is buffered by a mature hedge r as well as the subject properties driveway the right side yard setback is less compliant it's 9.8 ft where 15 ft is required but that's the side that faces the rear of the gasoline station and is also buffered by a wooded
area both side yard setbacks are proposed to be exacerbated vertically and the right side is also proposed to be exacerbated laterally toward the rear uh by the infill of what is now a uh a notch so to speak in the back right corner lock coverage is being reduced
from 27.5 to 26.7 uh% but still modestly exceeds the maximum permitted 26% grandfathered coverage requirement as indicated I have three Witnesses here this evening I'd like to be sworn in uh our architect Frank Hall
our engineer Bill Hollows uh and William Simmons who's a principal of the applicant is also here I don't intend to elicit direct testimony from him but if there are any questions from the board your professionals or the public that are better addressed by uh the owner applicant uh he's here for that purpose
I can I just have one minute Mr zo um how many people here from the public are here to for this application couple people okay just trying to get an idea how many people here okay um gentlemen three of you would stand please our board
professionals everybody could just raise the right hands for me uh do all of you swear or okay do all of you swear or from testimon thank you Mr Hall we'll start with you we trade places up there but where
would where is the uh easel preferred usually it's on this side is that the easiest for the board as long as it's kind of a little bit see our typical desk is a little OCC the liberty of moving some stuff back a
littleit don't knock things over later and real quick just casing item um I'm assuming that's a set of architectural plans that's dated uh my set up so confirm same
thing dated 61324 last SI 91024 90 91024 last same thing we're looking at these are the same plant that you have that is correct awesome um for mic purposes should I have this over by um I think we need Mr Hall's information his credentials can
accept would you please give the board the benefit of your professional educational background sure um again my name is Frank Hall h l l um I'm a licensed architect in the state of New Jersey I have a degree and Bachelor of architecture from the New Jersey
Institute of Technology 1987 been licensed uh in New Jersey since 1992 my license is in good standing and I have appeared before um 200 U boards planning zoning boards histor commissions and so forth
throughout this uh Northern New Jersey over the last 30 or so years again Mr chair I would ask that Mr Hall be qualified as an expert in the field of architecture we'll accept them thank you Mr Hall I'm going to let you take over the re but would you please start with the existing conditions which I think is
actually the last sheet of your set this is I'm referring to sheet A3 which is the last of our four sheets that we had submitted to the board and that's the existing conditions plans um I think the uh the topic this evening will be about
a relatively modest house on a relatively modest uh lot um and you see here from the uh first floor plan and basement plan uh that it is a modest home uh there's a living room two bedrooms on the first floor small dining
room and a little kitchen and a wing at the at the back with a deck behind that uh spaces are all modest and proportion um the kitchen is only 7 and 1/2 ft wide uh by less than 10 ft long
the dining room is 8 feet by 9 and A2 ft uh so there there there are no large spaces in this home uh there's a there's a basement with a low ceiling height uh laundry in the basement um starting from
that go forward to the second sheet in our set which is A1 which describes what we plan to do hope to do with a home um the change to the footprint of the home is a roughly 140 foot addition at
the right rear filling in what uh you can see on the previous uh plan the existing conditions plan a little bit notch in the footprint of the home so the the plan here is to fill that in uh to make the spaces just a little bit
more modern in scope um so where we most notably where we had a tiny little sort of Galley kitchen now we have a modern kitchen at the right rear of Home Mr Hall before fur it's on but it's has a very short a little bit there you go thank you I
appreciate you com okay just just stepping back a little bit uh the main plan the main um change to the footprint of the home is to fill in that sort of Notch at the right rear uh where the new kitchen would go where
previously we had sort of a little Galley kitchen uh now we have a modern kitchen um the dining room gets a bit bigger the living room gets a bit bigger um we're keeping a little guest room office space on the first floor um and
also adding a second floor on the second floor we have a master bedroom suite and two additional bedrooms um but it still remains a relatively modest home uh the reason we're here tonight is because of the uh being in a zone that contemplates
a much larger lot we're about a fifth of the size of the lot that uh would be required in the zone which really is the the the reason for the uh the number of variances that we're seeking here this evening and our site engineer can get into a bit more detail about the
particular zoning metrics um but just to give you a sort of a brief comparison um we're uh we're on a lot that's as I said roughly a fifth the size of the zone contemplates and and at
18% lot coverage uh we would be allowed 1125 Square F feet and if you subtract out the driveway and a little front walk that would leave us about 384 feet for the house so you know we're already starting off kind of behind the eight pole and while we're while what
we're doing to the home uh maintains a home uh it's really impossible to do anything on this lot uh that would not require a variance um the home as if you're familiar with is in relatively poor condition at this
time um it really needs uh some upgrades uh to be sailable uh usable um and while we're while we're making the the plan of the home a little bit more substantial and
providing Living Spaces that would be uh expected in 20124 um we're also upgrading the appearance of the home I I think what we're providing here is a uh a traditional style home that is uh
sympathetic to the character of the township um we're going with a uh traditional uh gable roof design with with vertical board and batten siding on the front elevation and
horizontal um vinyl siding on the sides and the rear uh little Dormers at the at the two sides to add to the uh sort of traditional charm of the home um we are we're putting a roof over the front Portico uh again to give it a little bit
more um charm a little bit more character to the front of the house and a little covering over your front door is is always nice um this home does not uh have the the benefit of an enclosed garage so you can't drive into your garage and next into the home uh so it's
nice to have a little place to uh you know to stand out of the rain where you get your keys into the your key into the front door um Mr obviously we're going from a one and a half story to a two and a half story but that said uh we are nowhere
near the uh height limit Zone isn't that correct that is correct okay can you give those measurements please any measurements um I believe the zoning chart is only the if you don't have it on your plan that's fine we can doal with it later okay um but as you'll note the uh the
laundry remains in the basement in um most modern homes that we do the uh the basement is either the laundry is either on the first floor because where people spend most of their time or the laundry is on the second floor CL to where people keep their clothes uh but the
home is still of such a modest scale that the laer really needs to remain in the basement I say that just as as a way of of of providing an example of uh how not grandiose the the application is
despite the uh the variances that we run into as soon as we add a square foot to the to the building to your professional opinion is the home as opposed still in keeping architecturally uh with the surrounding neighborhood at least the residential portion of the surrounding neighborhood
I I believe it actually is more in keeping as proposed and what do you mean by that uh well that it's U it's a more desirable appearance uh the traditional appearance is really capitalized upon uh with the um with the changes to the
design and in terms of architectural style is consistent with other homes in the neighborhood yes absolutely thank you have nothing further for Mr H this time I one you say that look simar that correct it's look the same
houses in the neighborhood they all look the same right now right I mean the the community at large not the itself well not not the immed not exactly the same as the immediately adjacent homes the meaning they're all yellow they all
look simar this will be more taller probably not and a different structure I believe a couple houses down there we have a there's a two-story house okay uh I mean it's it's not grandiose by any stretch of the
imagination so so that it's a two-story home versus a one-story home is not I don't think out of character for the neighborhood uh it's just a a normal uh it's it's about the the same footprint as a as a Cape
Cod and Mr CR I would also point out if you since you have the photo set in front of you if you look at the last photograph you see the houses directly across the street which are substantially different from the ones immediately J to this Mr Z for the record while we're talking about the photos did you take these F I took those
myself shortly before we filed the application and they are accurate they track so which well I'm not saying it's similar in in design size the other ones are very small I'm
asking simar toze of those I think for instance this uh this Charcoal House the third one over here is a pretty s similar in scale Hill
could you describe the materials that they going to be used the roofing the siding just so we get some sense of the character of the house sure on on the front we're proposing a a bordon baton style sighting uh typically
it's um fiber cement or cellular see um with u with a horizontal um clapboard style vinyl siding on the sides and the rear uh with the appropriate trim
components around all of the openings which is really a big part of uh of the character of a traditional home you know the the corner boards and the the the casing around the windows casing around the doors uh substantial uh
rake moldings uh and sub bres uh in the two gable ends and a water table siding uh s like a freeze board between the first and second floor uh all all of those
elements uh add to the to the character of the home do you envision neutral tones in terms of color oh certainly certainly and how about the roof what's the roof material to be in color the roof is a architectural grade uh asphalt
uh shingle um and the we we haven't picked an exact color scheme but it would probably be in something like the uh charcoal or weather wood blend color scheme and the uh shed RS for lack of a better word uh in the front I understand
those are going to be metal is that accurate oh yeah there's a a shed roof for the uh little Portico uh with two square columns and standing seam metal roof and do you have any idea what color or what type of color would be that
metal would be a copper would it be something uh an enameled color uh determined it would it's not been determined yet but typically they're uh they were painted metal and is similar material going to be used at the bottom of the two top
Gables above the front door the U uh the these these are uh the sides of these are asphalt shingles this is inside here is also um oh the little
rake there yeah that's that that's the standing SE a little kick out of the uh the R so the bottom of those two Gables and that'll match or essentially match the uh top of the uh poro that's
correct we take that as a stipulation that the addition is going to be aesthetically uniform right going to be consistent style yes well the the entire exterior of the home is is being that's resided front sides and
rear do you anticipate using the old attic floor as the new second floor or are you raising the floor up higher uh well how much how much of the structure is going to remain the um I don't believe that the
Attic floor is structurally adequate as the uh as the new second floor uh but we do intend to keep the perimeter walls uh because it's it's not not intending to raise the height of the SE of the first floor so we're able to keep the majority
of the first floor permanent walls intact thank you and Mr hulls will address this more but just just for the record the uh addition in the in the rear right corner uh will not extend any closer to the right side Seline than the
existing plane so it's that's correct as as I mentioned in describing the the addition in plan we're sort of filling in that Notch to the rear so the right hand side of the addition is a continuation of the right hand side of the existing home and the
U and the rear of the addition is a continuation of the rear of the existing home and so our exacerbations of the sidelines uh or any portion is purely either vertical or that one portion lateral towards the back that's
correct there's no garage and the shed has going to be removed so is there a storage area would that be in the basement is there anywhere to put outside lawn equipment or anything to that effect that that would be the basement because we're we're trying to uh to uh not go in the wrong direction
with coverage any other questions from the board is the basement being extended where the new wall is beinging basement area I'm craw no but what's intended here is actually a crawl
space is this is this with a new extending the house to that corner yes exactly there's nothing there now right right so it would be a crawl space Foundation the cross Bas versus basement
okay at least at this point that's the uh concept and just because I'm not in construction you basically cut the whole top of the house off and that's what you're doing and you're starting with the walls that are there putting the wall the back and the rest is yeah that
that is the the typical what we call add a level Concept in the business you basically Chainsaw the roof off and then you you either start with the existing attic joists uh or or new joists on top
of the uh the top plate of the walls um typ typically like cape cods they the second floor is 2 by8 U other homes the attic floor joists are 2 by sixes so they're not structurally adequate to start as a floor
system will there be any oh sorry would you say that 80% of the existing structures may be gone 50% is still there I'm just trying to gauge it in my head well if if we seen people down by one wall and then say they're building a new house along that wall or you know is that kind of what
you're if if you look at what's shaded in here on the floor plan those are the new walls okay okay so um most of the perimeter of the existing house is is is salvageable so the only new exterior wo is just for that fill in that correct
backward L upside down L for the well the uh the the exterior walls that are wind up inside the kitchen would obviously be removed but but the the rest of the perimeter of the home can remain well that you're changing the layout a little bit on the inside so the
baring wall looks like is either moving or you're putting beams in to open it up yes the well the the the the bearing line is is front to back here you can see in the basement where we have the the beam so it changes a it changes a
bit but uh still maintaining that that line right from the front to the back of the house but the point is is the old Joy on a certain wall and you're shifting that wall a little bit it looks like yes so they wouldn't bear so you'd have to replace you'd have to put a new
second floor and well we we we tend to like to use uh engineered lumber for for new floors anyway better better glowing surface and uh they don't shrink and cup and warp and so forth they just they
make a better home I have one quick question about exterior um are there any air conditioning condensers outside and where would they be located if there are well there is none at the moment in terms of where it could be
placed we can ask Mr Hollows that re the rear of the addition yes is that in our calculations the lot cover Mr holl during your testimony let's make sure that we add that into appropriate amount for
coverage rear it's not in anticipation the next question we will ask also ask for a modest increase in the coverage to account for a possible generator in the future say that well no just we're going from a two
bedroom house to a four bedroom house technically correct correct okay and the driveway itself is where they would park all the cars for a twers bedroom you might have a couple cars or better more cars have you looked at kind of what
that situation would do to the I mean soon this is a someone's building a house and selling it so they're not going to have to deal with that situation except for the person that's going to buy it probably a better question for Mr holl whoever would answer I who contemplated looked at that or who the Builder is and
who's looking at if you could park in the street if you have three cars where parking and all that kind of stuff typically ask those people rebuilding houses and asking for lot coverage and everything we have we have a fair length just not entirely convenient to have the cars lined up but we we have a fair a
fair length to the driveway uh know we again starting off with uh you know covers we're looking to reduce and not increase right I mean it would be ideal to have a two-car garage but we're not starting with the you know the ideal lot
right is this house being built for the owner to live in or is it being built to sell it's being built to sell that's that's stated in the application yeah so anybody who buys it will see how much parking there is oh yeah
I think it's a good question I don't know if they're street parking I don't know how people park on the street you know if everybody has the same problem they have no garages maybe someone can address it didn't matter when you had two two matters
more okay goe Mr I two questions first off any uh any lighting pictures on the exterior we don't have any planned but um we don't have any specified in in the event that you were to put them put them on would they be directed downward or Shield it is that something you can
stipulate to well we can certainly you know acest to a stipulation my personal preference is uh for for strict cut off fixtures that don't create glare I'm an anti-glare guy that's what we like to hear um other question you're going to
turn to our board professionals I think on this one I don't know if you guys can make a call on this um based on what you heard do you think they're exceeding partial destruction you know we had three existing nonconforming conditions not
the uh I I looked at the definition of partial destruction in the ordinance and um it seems very hard to avoid it says that if you can't it's basically the definition of a reconstruction under the rehab subcode which says that if you're um if you can occupy the structure or
primary function space and you need a new Co at the end of the project then you've exceeded partial destruction dos consider because mean we're sanding the floors you can't occupy the structure during the work I mean is the work doesn't have
to be very significant before you can't occupy it during so it's just it's just doing keep everything on the FL what you're leaving behind there's a semblance of a house there you got walls
on all four sides wall you and I I've I've dealt with similar um U restrictions uh in in my hometown in faon there's a martial destruction uh limitation that was the construction
official created a definition for it uh which was taken from the uh I believe the thema flood description uh where if you remove more than 50% of of the sheathing in the perer walls you've exceeded par constuction is there such a
similar bright line in this case our was too long based what was legal and what was not legal understanding because we we would just want to know how to maybe Safeguard from
the general contractor uh removing more than should removing more than what you're showing on the plan to remov in other words we have to stipulate this we need to stipulate this okay so for the record we do
understand that if we are to deviate from the plans in terms of the walls to be removed uh that we could fall on that uh into that chapter accurate Mr h i i i say that's a that's a fair way to describe the uh the
obligation thank you that's all Mr thank you um any other questions from the board members for this witness just before we continue I just want to ask anyone from the public that may have a question for the architect ask it now um there'll be time
at the end for a comment if you want to make a comment good thank you no okay did you look at any other configurations for this whoever paying for this your you know your architectural expertise did you
look at a smaller house did you look at three bedrooms did you look at any other type of configuration of this house when you drew up plans um was the process well there there was discussions about something substantially
larger um but this this seemed to be a relatively minimal um Rec construction of of the home I mean that little notch in the in the right rear of the footprint again still
doesn't make it a particularly large house and it's just in it's inefficient to have a less than rectangular um footprint both for the first floor and the second floor again the other than the master bedroom the the new bedrooms
on the second floor are relatively modest in size um even the master bedroom is not Grand by the standards of of Master bedrooms in this day and age so you looked at going back farther as an option or less
High well I mean L's I mean it's it's just a it's just a two-story house it's not particularly grandiose uh and it has a pitch roof which I think most of us would agree adds to the character of the house rather than some like a low pitch roof I don't think that would serve any particular purpose it looks big because
it's not a small property yeah well exactly that's that's that's the nature of it uh before I have Mr holl come up what I'll ask Mr Simmons to come up briefly uh just to address the uh concern about what parking is available on Street Mr Simmons if
you sure uh step up to the podium your name and my name uh legal name is Billy Joe Simmons Jr uh I live at six Washington Avenue in Basin Ridge New Jersey and Mr Simmons just for the record what is your relationship to the
applicant CSN NJ LC I'm the managing member of three member LLC and I'm the controlling interest I for many years ago yes so uh uh but you guys are asking
lots of questions about the neighborhood and stuff and uh uh and I can answer some of those things it you know with the house is going to be small and so we did think about parking but we only expect two adults to be parked here this is a starter neighborhood uh and you know my own son bought a neighborhood in
this house in this neighborhood and and renovated it even though the street view very few of them have garages most of them have just a drive because the lots are too small and even though from the street view like the house next door to it looks one story most of these houses
have D shed dormers on the back and they have secondstory bedrooms the house right next door to it looks like a on story house but it actually has two bedrooms upstairs and that's very common with a lot of the houses the new renov conditions that are down the street from it look just like this house that we're talking about you know building so we're
trying to make the house consistent with the newest Renovations being done in this neighborhood of 30 homes and to make it still in Baskin Ridge it would be a starter home for people that want to live there and uh and with an intent when I talked to the neighbors what they
said was we don't want a little two-person rental aimed at you know people of modest means we'd like to have it be a family home and so we did send letters to all the Neighbors when I bought the house and I talked to the ones that I could catch you know from
work about what they wanted and so um we did have earlier discussions about the size of the house what can we afford what economically works and that sort of thing uh but uh that's our intent and we need to be economically viable so uh and
and there's no point in renovating the house if we don't make it modern you know the current bedroom's like 8 by 10 you know and one 6 by 10 just you can put a bed in there that's it and that's just and no closets that's just not practical if you want uh people to live
in it these are 1930s character homes when they were built and the house is in poor condition at the moment the person gutted it who' lived there for years and it's just twole horse on the inside he caught Co and died so it's no sheetrock nothing inside and that's how we bought
it and with the intent of improving it Mr Simmons is there street parking in the neighborhood is you can park on the street in front of the house uh and I misund I said you can to my knowledge park on the street in front of the house most people Park in their in their
driveway overnight parking overnight park I don't know that sir the the I drove down that street today and I didn't see any cars that I recall park on the street but I'm not really remembering whether I saw that or
not I don't think people overnight park in the street uh you know to do that but you see them during the day part so but we did not I can speaked in the neighborhood we can do that in a
moment so yes Aaron lived in on Cottage Lane there right in the middle of this little subdivision when I'm looking at the picture I this question for David or Tom but the Cobble Stone curving looks like it's mountable it's on an angle is that there any reason for that
when we I know it's an aesthe often times where the roads are narrower and you want to get emergency vehicles in there so ride up on the curve if they have to I don't know
what the roads be 2de I don't on my show questions I nothing further from Mr Simmons at this time just one second sir anybody from the public have questions of this witness okay seeing none please
proceed I am going to actually call Aaron Simmons very briefly and he does need to be sworn I do uh yes uh my name is Aaron Simmons and I live at 262 North Maple Avenue and I previously resided at 15 Cottage
Street in the neighborhood uh for about eight years Mr Simmons I just have one direct question for you based upon what youve heard already this evening what is the parking situation as far as street parking neighorhood there is street parking and people do Park overnight not many because most people have driveways but there are some that do Park on that
street and actually in all the neighborhood and it is wide enough to get past with street parking and to your knowledge from having lived there for eight years you don't recall anyone being ticketed for that or never Only commercial we had somebody with a tree company that got uh asked not to park overnight with his
commercial trucks but outside of that no residential vehicles and there no no overnight parking signs or anything in the neighor there are not in the neighborhood thank you that's all I have sure when I was there today I didn't drive down to the end of the street but is it a dead end Street it is so at dead ends there's a private bridge
and there's a couple of really large home well there's a large home after a little Bridge that's over there but yes it uh it goes left into the neighborhood and then it dead ends and there's probably three other houses on that th for anybody other people no neighborhood nope correct it's there's no it's just a
like a horseshoe Loop it just has two Loops that are on there but there that's a dead end at the end of that street and just for transparency you can turn left and head out to Madisonville but it wouldn't accomplish anything for someone like a shortcut type of situation it's just out yeah there's no no there's no
Advantage the only reason why you go in that neighborhood is if you live there um anyone from the public have questions for this thank you thank you Mr H you're up that not yet but because we can talk
about what's what's that would you start by giving the board the benefit of your professional educational background my name is William Hollows a principal of Murphy and Hollows Associates Sterling New Jersey I'm a Prof professional engineer and land surveyor my license is in good
standing and I've been before this board several times except thank you Mr would you please take us through the project start with the existing conditions and tell us what's going to change well I think we we can kind of look at the neighborhood
there on on the screen you've got Brookside Avenue and where the yellow notation is that's the subject property you've got the house the shed um to the north of that North would be the top of the drawing they've got the Luke oil
service station to the West which would be to the left is the automatic water company building and to our South are all residential homes across the street are residential
homes um you can see if you look our PQ there the house is probably a little smaller than than the other ones that you can see on this this drawing uh not by a whole lot but but it is
smaller now if we want to go Dave to the existing conditions this is a colorized um drawing of the existing conditions it is
exhibit well coloriz existing conditions ex state today I'm assum there is no date but but it was in it was was today's date okay Bill it's
colorized sheet what what's your sheet thank you and you can see the existing hous is in tan the driveway would be in in this case the north is to the right of the drawing where that large tree is um but
you have the the gray driveway which would be on the south side of the property it's it's about 60 ft wide and can hold that'll be three vehicles in that that in tandem um you've got a paer walkway to
the front door got a a deck off the back you've got a shed in the in the back of the property um the neighbors driveway is on our side also on AB budding our kind of our
driveway it's a one-story frame dwelling as it sits right now and then to the north of that building or towards the Luke oil building there's a a p I wouldn't call it a patio kind of a
walk um it's it's underneath that large tree on either side of property well you've got a hedge R going down on the south side and on the North side with with backing up to the uh the Getty you've got some hedge RS and then you
also have some vegetation really that goes up to the back of the building of the service station and then to the rear is a parking lot for the buildings that there a driveway and a parking lot for the buildings that face on on 202 just for the record the deck is a
deck that has gaps in between the board so it's exemp as I recall yes sorry if you want to go to proposed conditions Mar this is A2 in what sheet is that that'll be sheet three
this is the this is the proposed conditions as you can see look at it it's very similar to the existing conditions with the only difference being that we filled in that Notch that was in the building that's a little bit darker tan we get the lighter tan is the existing structure and then that darker
tan to the be the Northwest the uh shed has been [Music] removed and the walkway that was on the north side of the building will be will be removed and that kind of gives us that uh reduction in lot coverage or
makes up for also makes up for the the addition that we are proposing everything else stays the same the driveway is the same the front walks the same the Stoops going to be reconstructed to have a roof over it a little bit more pleasing look to the
building but this is uh this is what's proposed the existing sheds going to removed it it would be removed and that would become uh lawn more lawn in that area that's on the Bernardsville side that is yes the Burnville yes and that that is a good comment there this
building this property is split between Bernards and Bernardsville uh the whole house is in Bernard's Township and then that back portion is in uh Bernardsville Mr holl are we exacerbating
uh the sidey set back other than laterally and vertically great we're we're maintaining basically the footprint of the building we're just going up with it so the sidey yards that are in violation or existing non-conforming conditions will be the
same um there's no proposed overhangs to the building it's just a wall that goes up from the existing Foundation walls and and straight up to make that second story and there was a comment before about the height the building it would
be 31 ft and 35 is allowed and that's from the ground it's not from the finished floor well there was a comment uh in one of the review letters about whether the I think it was Mr quins uh about whether the coverage is only taking into account the burners
Township area can you just clarify that one way or the other it's taking in a whole the whole lot not not just burner Township I can run through all the variances but David as usual has put together a really good uh outline of the variances that are required I mean we're in an R six
Zone that requires 3/4 of an acre we don't we have 0.14 of an acre we don't even have a quarter of an acre here and which is similar this is probably one of the smaller Lots as you go down because of the angle of the B of the back of this property they get a little bit larger but they're not going to get
anywhere near 3/4 of an acre maybe when when you get down the end of the street and you go over the bridge maybe those couple of lots are are 3/4 of an acre but uh certainly not this one do you agree with the variances as recited in Mr schl report I
do and while we're talking about Mr schl report Mr Quinn's reports can we go through those you've had a chance to review them I have and I have no no problem with any of the comments um I think on Mr Quinn's that that one would be
probably from an engineering standpoint if the board were to approve this application um in order to go to building permit we would have to put a grading plan together which would include some soil erosion setm control measures um you know Sil fence protect
that tree that's on the adjoining property um that those types of things limited disturbance would be really um probably 10 feet around the building other than maybe if you're going to bring in some material and lay it down you may put it just past the end of the
driveway you you can work that through the township engineering department I just want you to once you cross I think 2500 square feet if I understand Dave Sly correct the town's going to want to see a grading plan with SCS measures it's 5,000 square feet for yeah for STD
and we're our Lots only 6,000 so um the only thing I would add and I don't have any additional clarification for anything on the letter it was pretty straightforward but we were talking about parking just for um discussion purposes a four bedroom house for the rsis requires 2.5 parking
stalls um the0 five is is a scenario where you have garages and parking behind the G or in front of the garages they give you half Credit in my estimation there's there's clearly at least three stalls right two in the driveway one in front of the the
property so it would meet in my estimation would meet rsis for parking for four bedroom house Mr H one of the points in Mr sches report was number six uh looking for confirmation as to the increasing
coverage based upon the front stop you just mention that I don't want to say it's an open item with the architect I think we we've had some conversation I don't think it ever got kind of straightened the existing stoop
is 3 feet out it's 5 and 1 12 ft wide and I think their the architectural PL is called a 5.67 which is which would be 2 in wider than what I I've shown on my plan so we're talking a really diminus amount of square footage
on that front stoop but um you know I think if we're asking for an air conditioner and possibly a generator which would add a little bit more coverage if we had a couple more feet for the front stoop I think that would that would cover that item in terms of
square footage that additional square footage coverage what would be your comfort zone for the air conditioning unit a generator and this discrepancy on the front student how many square feet should we add in somewhere around 40 at tops
generator is usually 4x6 so that's 24 Square ft air conditioner be usually nine if you have two of them you know that's 18 so yeah you're right there 4 square feet as a percentage right yeah let's add that to
that hand calculator okay 1668 plus we'll give you 402 6253 thank you 6250 up win R just the problem with using a
telephone give me that lot are again Bill 6253 6253 27.3 okay agrees with that 27.3 yes check it with
a okay Tom that includes the discrepancy on the porch because you said 24 plus 9 plus 9 is 42 what about I gave him 42 well for the what was it another even a square foot maybe oh no
it was more oh was it what was that difference then we don't have in there I don't have it in there give them the right number no no it's right cuz I don't have that number in there whatever that would be that difference the square footage of the roof over so
24 so 66 total6 give me a lot are in keep showing me AC 6253 27.7 I have nothing further for Mr hos um just the runoff water from the roof where's that going currently and is it be a dryw
or since was it's a reduction we were not proposing any storm water management the way it works is with they they took out a shed and a walkway that are in the same drainage area as the infill Edition which is the only impervious cover
they're adding they're netting a negative well now they're probably close the level right they're almost level but the uh the drainage area directs runoff will had it the first picture it directs runoff to the commercial properties to
the north and west I think so and again they're almost the exact same impervious cover with a few square feet since they're going towards in commercial areas that have large areas in perious cover I don't anticipate there's going to be any impact to any of those
properties adjacent properties but if we would consider this a new build or if they exceed partial destruction then does that trigger they need a drywall they'd have to put a drywall yeah they would have to in that in that case is there a benefit to putting it in now I mean we
are uh I mean there can be I just I don't know what the soils are like there it really depends on the soils because burnard has mostly not great permeable soil some areas so dry Wells are a limited benefit that they have to be
really shallow with overflows I don't even know if you can do that on this property to be honest because because of the commercial properties that lie Downstream of this and their large areas in perious cover I see this is very little impact to the offside properties
associated with this because of what they are if there were Residential Properties or it was a residential neighborhood that this was discharging to it might be a different story you would expect a different level of impact right and it really doesn't go towards the building as much it would actually get
into the driveway and then it slopes go back to the first you have the first one it shows the the relation of the property oh okay and you can clearly show where it goes I feel like it goes to the back that was my question to the water I think goes to the back of well
to lot nine to the back of lot three is where the topography looks like it's direct can you get that back or is that yeah yeah see the runoff pattern is towards the left side of this based on the Topo
so it's running right towards the commercial properties and do they have inlets that are the commercial properties yeah honestly don't know I didn't walk onto their property but again the drainage pattern is not changing they're adding a
minor amount of impervious cover which I again I don't expect it to impact to Dave's point though if it was Dave T as well as Dave SCH if they were starting scratch with the new home here yeah we'd require because the impact was not realized weire we' require a drywell
there or some sort of impound to work it out here it seems less uh required because so we know that there aren't any water water ISS issues with the way it exists today correct that's correct you have no I mean part
of that I mean I'm I'm stating that only by looking at it but part of that would be if somebody came out and complained the J neighbor complain look we have water out here and you've seen that happen before we have water problems out here we want to know where this water is going so I mean that happens all the
time now um I don't anticipate any drainage problems in association with this very minor impervious cover Edition especially a lot of what they're taking down ask yeah let me hit a couple things Mr chairman um for housekeeping I guess so
I know Mr holl stipulated to comply Mr Quinn's memo same for mr's memo yes sure and then uh I will play the role of the environmental commission advocate here I'm assuming you guys that memorandum I very much disagreed with
some of their comments so didn't go into it but okay think that we need to rebuild this house for some yeah well let me ask would you guys be you know amenable to employing storm water best one of their recomendations I think that would be really the soil
conservation or the type plan doesn't have to go to St but it would have to go to the engineering department here okay so cross that one off oh any any tree removal I think there was no yeah there's nothing in that little
Notch so that's kind of a point pres protecting trees Quinn said you guys are going to storm water so we need to worry about trees or shrubs to miate increase in coverage um the other thing they to do the age of the home they advis poten for
tanks let paines you guess will take proper cautions if need right yes I think they're going to have to yes and then would you make a good faith best effort to recycle the purposed or gift any demolished material Sal from the
home we'll stipulate to that okay thank you very much I think that this is for the environmental commission okay any other questions from the board any questions from the
public see none going to elicit one very brief question from Mr Simmon senior if you step up for all the commercial property behind the property is automatic water is that correct that's correct and is do you have an affiliation with automatic water
uh yes I'm the majority owner of that property so based upon your personal experience as the owner of that property as well are there any drainage problems that need to be addressed as have been discussed no there isn't uh you see that drive goes all the way down the back of those grass Lots about five years ago I
spent $30,000 and there's big 4x4 foot grapes in a pipe that goes all the way to the creek to drain all these commercial properties so there's no water issues on the back of that property whatsoever I wanted to hear that thank you thank you nothing for
stand up for one second just in case question are you go these pictures I honestly because you had four on tonight I was going to try to shortcut it we we can do that but I'll leave it up to the board some was there
any other that you want to point out I guess Mr Simmons if you would just uh briefly go very briefly go through these and just tell the board what each photograph shows just take in the order that they sure if you look at page one the house next door to it that has got a
that's a got a that's a second story Dormer with two bedrooms you go down to the third house and it also has a second story that is uh most of the house and if you go to the left with the far White House that also so has either been renovated or originally built a lot of
these houses these are additions that were put on to them and further about two houses down past this picture there's a brand new house it's very similar to what we're doing except it was a tear down and they've got garages going right in the front of the house
from the driveway and the and most Living Spaces on the second floor if you turn the page um of course you see the house we have and we did consider doing a story and a half or putting a shed Dormer on the back uh but the square
footage would make it more if we put a full Second Story it's not much difference in cost and it makes it more family oriented and that's what we're trying to do for the neighborhood um the bottom half of the house footprint Remains the Same that's the third
picture the fourth picture you can see the driveway it's very deep you can put a couple cars on it no room for a garage and uh the house does not currently have air conditioning because most of the houses
in these neighborhoods have hot water heat and they have window air conditioning uh including the one next door which I know to be true and also the one my son lived in you can see automatic waterers you turn the page the shed that's gone and you can see the
blue buildings automatic water in the back uh and then the next one's a rear view the shed's going to be gone and all we really are doing is filling in the corner of the house and making the first floor Square so we can put a nice
Kitchen in it for the ladies uh and um there's a lot of trees on the hillside going up to the gas station which Fred's taking pictures of here um and if you go back a couple more pictures you can see where the current
Galley kitchen sticks off the back of the house the area that we're going to uh fill in uh with the addition if you got a specific question the very last picture is the picture across the street this White House is
directly across the street on the left hand side and if you look down that street you'll see all four of the houses in this picture are all second story houses so when we decided because I I'm looking at this from an economic point of view and that is if I put a second
story in this house can I sell it and uh you know and we did make a commitment when we bought it to improve the neighborhood and I think the second story that we proposed will make a nice 1800t house um that uh if it's like the other Renovations the neighborhood will
sell very promptly and uh be a popular starter home thank you nothing further at this time plus I'd like to have a nice house behind my place and not something that turns into a shanty yes I'm Sor from the board any questions from the
public sorry thank you all right I have no further Witnesses I'll address the planning issues if there's what goes on with the public here yeah I think we're going to do public comment anyone who
wants to come up and make a comment on this application this will be the time I do toddlin 172 Riverside Drive I think the the nice way of you
know updating the house it's not like they're asking for put a pool in or anything like that it's just B squaring off the house and bring you up to um modern modern tastes my only comment really is about the parking in the town
There's No overnight parking from 2: to 6: in the morning even though there's no sign may not be a sign on that street there's signs on the borders and there's definitely a sign at South Maple adjacent from um Henry Street that says
no overnight parking from 2: to 6 same as there's no parking on the street when street is snow covered I don't think it should have anything bearing on this house but I just think that be on the record thank you thank
you to other MERS of the com thank you so I think given the uh size of the lot the fact that is uh as has been said several times now about 1 fifth of what's required in the zone uh these
variances all fall under the C1 category based upon hardship uh created by the uh unusual shape and size of the lot and the lawfully existing location of the home that's there there now and again we're not uh really changing the footprint except for filling in that
back Notch uh we are of course going up uh the variances can also be characterized as C2 meaning that the benefits to the township uh outweigh any detriment uh in this case we really have two different uh purposes of land use that are served by this application uh one in general is to improve your
housing stock improve the neighborhood as a whole uh under home builders uh versus Berlin uh and then purpose ey of the ml uh promoting a desirable visual environment uh obviously the uh I hope it's obvious that the uh visual uh
impression of this home will be significantly larger significantly better than what we have now uh uh efforts have been taken as testified by the architect to uh come up with a home design that is uh complimentary to the neighborhood uh consistent with uh in
general to the overall neighborhood of the town anyway consistent with the designs uh and something that's not out of character with the neighborhood uh so I think both of those purposes are served uh no negative Criterion that we can see uh we're in fact uh we're not reducing coverage as we thought we were
basically it's a neutral at this point it's remaining the same um as far as the impact on the neighboring properties two of them are commercial uh certainly no negative impact to either one of those and with regard to the house to the left uh that house is actually closer to the line than we are
uh and you've got buffering by not only the vegetation uh the shrub row between the properties on the line uh but up by our driveway as well uh so we don't believe that there's any uh negative consequences no detriment uh so by the benefits outweighing the lack of detriment uh we think we satisfy the C2
Criterion for all of these variant so we thank you for hearing us and we'd appreciate a positive vote thank you Mr pleas okay soing at two four sorry five variances first is for principal
dwelling front setback the micophone papers okay first variance is for the principal dwelling front yard setback 50 is the required minimum here the proposing 19.4 ft um next is for principal dwelling Northerly side yard setback 15 ft is the required minimum
the proposing 9.8 ft uh next is the principal dwelling southernly side yard setback that's 13.6 feet being proposed for 15 is the required minimum uh fourth is combined principal dwelling aside here at setback 40 ft is the required minimum the proposing
23.4 U mind you the past three including this one are existing conditions being vertically exacerbated and finally lot coverage 18% is the maximum committ here in the zone they're proposing 27.7% correct uh we're 27.7 but Mr SCH I
believe it's 26% we're grandfathered on that as well aren't we yeah most of that is Grandfather it's 26 18 for this they're asking for an increase so it is VAR yeah right 18 is the ma Max in zone you're at 26 20 right but you're
proposing 27 I thought we were grandfathered at 26 did I misread something no yeah the pre-existing grandfathered coverage is 26% okay the The Zone minimum okay maximum sorry understood you were asking for the 27.7
for the correct right on that okay as far as conditions go they'd be complying with everything in Mr SCH memo dated November 27th 2024 everything Mr Quinn's memo dated November 24th 2024 uh two conditions for the environmental commission MMO that's uh being aware of
the possibility for in ground tanks let pain in his vesce and taking proper precautions and also making good faith best effort to recycle repurpose or gift any demolish material um additional conditions include um exterior of the uh the dwelling following the proposed
improvements would be aesthetically uniform uh any exterior lighting fixtures if so installed would be directed downward or otherwise shielded so it's not to cast anxious light spillage or a glare on a neighboring properties um I did note that the demolition won exceed partial destruction but that's already Mr SCH
and then uh I included this because it was talked to I think it was kind of understood but the applicant would be also providing a formal rating plan because they need to do that as part of the correct okay and I think that's it if I'm leaving anything out please feel free to let me
know no okay Mr seski turn it over to the board does anyone have comments motion I think that the um architectural plan is lovely um I think that it would actually
um uh improve the the visible appearance um I think that the addition really is sort of minimal um I like that you're keeping it under 35 ft um and you're really just squaring it off I like that
we have the knowled that there um that the water is um has a place to go um and I believe that we know that the property works as it sits today so I don't think that we're that we would be
causing any additional problems or creating any additional um detriment here so I do see this as a C1 um for the hardship in the shape of the property I also agree with the C2 um um I don't see
a detriment for the community I just think that this is is really a nice Improvement all around and I see it as beneficial uh for many reasons I also like that you didn't go for anything egregious um I think it's important that
we have houses that are starter houses within our community that we have um economic diversity within our community I think that's very important so I like what you're doing here and I would be in favor of it happy to turn that into a motion if you want I just say that I
have no issues with the layout um size of the building um it's always hard when you know they're removing a shed someone's going to move in and put a shed in and they come back to the you know back to our board because they need a need a coverage so because we're so close to the coverage on a small lot it's going to be difficult when someone
moves in to know what the rules are and that they can't put a p patio at the back and stuff like that because we're so so covered but it's not our problem you know with this application just knowledge for the next person that buys it that they're very restricted and what they can do with the property that's all
um without coming back to the bo to get a I'll make a motion to move this forward I I think this um I agree I think it's a hardship because of the lot size C2 flexible variance um because of the lot coverage issue um I make a
motion to um approve this application stipulations laid out I think this is the benefit the neighborhood the town and I directed to draft a resolution memorializing all and that also includes finding application complete as well finding the application complete as well
yeah thank you Mr P I'll second thank you Mr CR I'm just going to say when I initially looked at it I was worried about a massing issue um but then when I looked at the dimensions you know the height mainly was my concern and it was well under the 35 ft um parking an initial concern but
Mr Quinn answered that question can me I'm comfortable with his assessment on that too and I think it's going to improve the housing stock so I'm in favor thank you ke m b yes Mr yes M poar
yes yes thank you thank you all very much have a wonderful holiday season we're going to take a quick five minute recess we back at uh what is it 9 903 908 910
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e e e okay reconvening the meeting uh for the record all board members and professionals have return yes they have so our next item on the agenda is
Healey ZB 24-21 Mr chairman I was point out I uh I did an opportunity to review the notice I've Ved to be sufficient in terms of its content Timeless of service sent to owners of property within 200 feet of the subject property on November 20th and then also published in the Burnsville news on November 7th so the
board has jurisdiction here and decide the case in my legal opinion with that I will swear in the applicants uh team as well as our board professionals so if you all please raise your right hands for me do all of you swear or firm the testimony you're about to revive be the truth the whole truth nothing about the truth I do okay great so why don't you
guys tell us why you're here introductions first name and address hi good evening uh my name is John haberly architect of record for the Healey Residence at uh 51 Springhouse Lane I'm here with Christine hilly owner of the
property uh I am an architect I have been in uh licensed architect in New Jersey New York and Pennsylvania since 1992 my licenses are all in good standing uh I own my own firm I have since 2005 I've appeared in front of
multiple boards most recently Mars Township and Harding Township we'll accept you as a professional thank you uh we're in front of the board tonight uh with regards to um hopefully obtain two variances two bulk
variances uh one for lot coverage uh we are in excess of the required 20% lot coverage and we are also seeking a variance for um floor area uh again which we are
somewhat over at this point we are in receipt of comments from Mr Quinn and Mr SCH as well as the uh Township environmental commission um I don't necessarily have any documents to present uh indifference or above and beyond the drawings that were submitted
for approval do you want to run us through the plan basic I can sure um the basic nature of the project uh is twofold there's two additions that we are proposing uh there's a single story
small addition to the rear that expands the existing kitchen uh the exist ing or the proposed addition is uh 10 18.8 square ft we are also proposing a uh
larger Second Story Edition above the existing one-story garage um there were notes made if I may clarify there were notes made by um all of the plan reviewers with
regards to a discrepancy in the um zoning data that was presented on the architectural drawings uh we had a site plan that referred to the overall site as 26,136 Square ft it was pointed us out
to us that there was a survey that was submitted as part of the package to you uh that indicated 26,36 point8 Square ft we confirmed that that is the correct number the 26 ,
36.8 Square ft there was a discrepancy we were we were given two different surveys uh initially one was dated June 16th of 2009 I believe it was it had no indication of any square footage for the
lot on it that's what the gentleman in my office utilized to uh draft the survey on the documents that you hold there was a followup uh survey that was presented to us that was dated in uh
for 2015 that had the correct square footage indicated as well as the uh lot coverage so it was a revised site plan uh unfortunately the gentleman in my office that did the
drafting updated the pretty picture but he did not update the uh square footage so I'm here I'm here to confirm that the 26,38 or 36.8 F feet is the correct uh square
footage unfortunately that affects all of the or a good number of the calculations with regards to lot coverage uh on the building or the code data that's indicated on drawing C1 that you are in possession of uh I can
certainly run down through the corrected numbers if you'd like uh you know I'm I'll apologize I'll sound a bit like an accountant now for the next few minutes but um as I stated the confirmed lot size
26,36 point8 Square ft the lot coverage allowance um in this rc4 zone is 20% so if we take 20% of the 26306842710 square
feet the existing uh survey indicates that we have existing 5,419 point2 Square ft of existing lot coverage so we're already prior to this
application over the existing lot coverage um you know so we're at 20.6% as it stands right now the proposed additions of 101 10 18.8 square ft uh the kitchen addition
at the rear of the building added to the existing 5,419 point2 Square ft increases are allowable by 26664 square ft in other words we're at
21.01% lot coverage which is over by 1.01% I hope that's clear I know I'm rattling a a lot of numbers but you know bottom line is we're over the coverage by 1.01% in this case uh the addition in
the back is uh extending into an area that is currently a planted area that's from the uh back of the home to the existing paer patio and that's what we're taking up a portion of
um the other item that we are uh contending with is the maximum floor area um there's an calculation that's stipulated section 21-
32.3 um it's a calculation that uh says from the front set back line based on the width of the property times 20 that's the allowable square footage and then there's an additional 10% increase So based on the calculations we're
allowed 3,3 36 square ft of floor area the existing residence again is slightly over that prior to any of these uh proposed additions we're at currently 3,058 Square ft which is 22 Square ft
over the allowable 3036 if we take into consideration the proposed addition of the garage as well as the second floor Edition over the garage we're adding
uh 358 squ ft existing plus the existing uh kitchen addition of 1088 plus the second floor addition of 766 Square ft we're looking at a total of
39328 square ft which is 8968 square ft over the allowable I apologize for all the numbers but I don't know how else to explain it to you so that's essentially the project I mean that's that's what we are seeking
approval for if possible cover time you're at 20.6 now not the 20.7 we are currently at 20.6 that is correct and that that is confirmed on the site plan that the owner has provided as part of the
application you're asking for 21.1 we are asking for 21.01% so the kitchen Edition will expand the footprint of the house the second floor Edition will sit on top of that's exactly right we are not expanding the footprint based on the second floor Edition we're removing the existing roof
and uh ceiling structure in the garage and then just adding a second floor above the footprint the new additions um the siding the roof will all be consistent all going to be consistent the existing home is going to remain as is we're just going to blend it in with the rest of it and it's very consistent
with the existing home as well as the neighbor neighborhood in itself stimulate and there's and and quite honestly there's other homes a number of other homes on the same street that have done very similar things you know I have photographs of some if you wanted to I
don't know if we'd have to submit them as exhibits or not but you would you know but I if you want to take my word for there are a number of homes in the um neighborhood that have very similar if not almost identical uh additions
over the existing garage window as the original I'm sorry I didn't hear the old B Window was counted as part of the original lock correct any lighting fixtures proposed nothing
new theard questions before I start no no just a question where did was overage um on the cover on the impervious coverage to start with prior there was there was a patio unbeknown to
the owners there was a patio added several years ago you might when we first moved in there was a deck and the um the inspector said that it was you know all the boards were warped and we should replace it and instead we we put in a patio and then there was an
existing walkway in the front that was brick and it was all uneven so we we put put in the same papers that we put in in the back so we were just we widened it um so that added to the coverage as well and we put like a fork in it and a burm so there was it was much more coverage
we didn't realize that a deck was different than a than putting in papers as you mentioned when we you know we moved in so we didn't realize we had to get uh permits to to do a deck do a patio versus a a deck I'm Sorry Miss you're the applicant
missr sorry Christine H 51 51 Spring House yes yes so that patio St is that included that's included in in the 21 it is yes correct David do you want to go through
your memo uh sure looking at my memo data of November 27 2024 I have four comments the first one just gives some lock coverage numbers which uh pretty much sink up with Mr uh
testimony uh comment number two talks about the floor area overage and um as far as I can tell uh the kitchen addition in the back the one that's actually ining the coverage would probably be imperceptible for everybody
except the immediate next door neighbors if they look for it um and uh as to the other uh the second floor Edition that's not um making the house any taller or any wider or any deeper uh but it would
obviously be viewed from the street and um I think the architect um got ahead what my comment was to discuss how that's consistent with the neighborhood and compatible with other homes in the neighborhood as far as it being viewed
from the street is it to much messing is it out of character um that kind of thing um comment number three talks about the uh the discrepancy with the survey in the area and the applicant I'm assum going to agree to Prior we can update
absolutely yes and number four just deals with the fact that based on the arrows looks like the applicants encroaching into the town chip open space behind the property as we find is sometimes common
um and I don't know if you aware of that but you can't do that if there's any structures back there they got be mov back on and no more cutting grass there if you do that now let it grow wild it it was it was like that and there's just like there's dirt
and then there's a bunch of brush so we can't really if it's not if you look on the thing and it's not growing it's not because I'm cutting it it's just dir so David is that if we look at that picture is it behind the red line basically yes that's Township yeah that's the open space so they shouldn't be we have a
trampoline that's back there and we have trampoline that we put in that's that's apparently on that lamp we didn't realize because it was already like that okay I guess they were already cutting back and then they had cleared some of the brush out so so you move that we'll move it oh yeah and just leave it and then we have stipulation Nets and just
let it grow naturally yes whatever that might look like I have like that too some wild flowers that's all I thank you Mr Quinn sure um
can you explain the gross floor area that's based on the having been of development and this was based on the width unlike a floor area ratio requirement which is based on the lot area right the um the ordinance for the
town's cluster zones are based on the width of the lot um basically the reason for that is massing up front what you're going to see from the street it's like a 10 and you reg by the size of the lot you could
have this massive house the lot could be just as wide as as this lot but just because they have 10 acres of property behind it you're going to see a massive house right up on the street because you don't know you're not seeing all that 10 acres so the town's ordinance bases that
on the width of a lot where you can kind of gauge how much massing you're going to see it's going to look like less of a mass up close to the street if you have a wider lck there's more space between the homes so in this case the applicant is not reducing the space between
between the homes it's going to be look like a bigger house since it's going to be a bigger house right um but the key is um The Space Between the homes actually there's extra space in between the applicants there of open space ex the
street so there's a little more of a cushion there more of open space to comp increase in massing between those two houses but that's does that answer your question about I think so so this isn't
part of it's because it's a a cluster Zone which was basically only the cluster zones have FL requirements it's an interesting calculation it's one that I had to read several times before you I can certainly read it to you if you'd like but I think it might confuse matters more
than you're allowed 22 times the lot WID okay that's what the um calculation okay but because we're not they're not making the house wider this really isn't well that would be one of the factors if we're making it wider getting closer to the neighbors you have less open space
in between so the houses are going to be perceived to be a little bigger and less openness and a little more crowded right um and that's um one of the factors the same thing if they were going up raising the roof even
higher gotta in this case they are raising the lower roof but no no higher than exist second flk sure um so one is just the recitation of the impervious cover they did add the they answered the question
about how the the uh initial overage came about um the net increase 298 square feet is technically classified exempt under the township ordinance right um they clarified the lot area on the Sur
surveys uh item four is just a description where the house is going to where the uh Footprints to be expanded um the applicant has addressed five which was a small discrepancy in the imperious cover um there is the
Harrison talk about drainage um there the Harrison Brook lies behind the property the Harrison Brook includes both a flood plane as well as a repairing Zone and potentially wetlands they've had a Wetlands consultant I think it was ETI who did this who um
basically acknowledged there's no Wetlands or Wetland buffers that impact the developing the developed area I looked at the FEMA map and saw that the potential flood plane is well off the property probably due to substantial topography that exists on the back of
the lot which is where the 298 Square F feet of imperious cover that they're over the zoning will go directly to the brook and the back impact adjacent properties because the topography carries it right back towards the brook
um uh no topography I we talked about that um there's no there's no indication of limit disturbance um again you may have heard in the town 5,000 s f feet is a typical threshold for S the town has
2500 square feet so you'll have to identify that the township even if you don't have to go to Soil Conservation District is that during the building uh permit processing and we're certainly less than those numbers as far as disturbance so okay well then you might
not if you were over 2500 my understanding is you need a grading plan and you need to show self fencing and okay things all that mention you'll take that up with the township engineering department okay um that's all I have unless I that question so there's no
real conditions per se in your Mr the other like nine and 10 can be more like advisory things yeah yeah I would say so yes okay if there's an approval I just I would include those in the resolution so you're aware the planning of trees that one no
no I'm talking about we just ran through Mr yeah you know just again the the resolution it's a document that basically Tres that you got an approve from the board I'm not saying they're get you want I'm just talk how it works okay um I'm just saying I would include in that resolution just those those
points so you're aware of okay file for everything okay okay I guess I will take on the mantle of the environmental Commission on budman here um okay so you guys read the environmental commission I think this just came out it is so there are a
few conditions in there I'll just run through the list um have any testimony points well a few conditions suggested by them I should say um first was that you guys would employ storm water best management practices during site work and as part of final grading and restoration is that something we want to
do okay I'll agree to that okay that's one um next one next recommendation is that you would employ best management practices to protect and preserve trees during site work are you guys removing any trees I don't think there are any
that's a move Point Noe take of that um actually throw it to Mr Quinn before I go through this one they're good on storm water they don't nothing you would recommend that they they add as far as no no on this one no because the runoff pattern is so clearly down to the stream
nobody's impacted there's 298 ft over their allowance they're technically exempt anyway we try to grab that allowance that overage if there's an impact potential impact but I don't see that here okay doesn't seem necessary and then the last one okay so that kind of captures the last two the first was
that you would Implement site features to from the recharge of storm water from the roof leaders Mr points not necessary same with um planting in sh means to mitigate the increase in coverage certainly welcome to but does seem necessary so we won't have that as so really the only thing to come out of
that be that you would is that a requirement or is that just a from the envir they review all applications and they offer suggestions address those in their so okay try to get you to stipulate to as many as would be applicable or otherwise good idea
understood okay so that's if I'm sorry but I think this was the first one the best management practices regarding uh site grading and restoration yeah I know I think have agreed to that yeah they did agree right but I mean there it
looks like they're likely that they're not going to be required to do anything storm M management wise that's for sure what also s control wise it's just going to confuse the engineering department to have that condition there you could you
could put it in there and say if applicable um but but um the way it's looking they wouldn't have to wouldn't even be reviewed by okay the engineering or the Roan Folks at all quite frankly I'm not even sure what storm water storm
water best management practices are on I know envir it's essentially what the town requires anyway but only when when there's 2500 square disturbance okay trigger that it would be more appropriate if that was going to be the case that's well thank you for that a Mr
appreciate it okay well that was a waste of time but you'll see I I'll agree to anything got to do it you know okay that's all I have as far as the EC memo goes I I I have one question um because there's not a before survey that I'm
seeing here the the kitchen addition is that covering um what was once patio or no it it's ex extending into an area that's currently a planted area correct yeah it's just a planted area between the home and the patio
thank question for the homeowner did you speak with any of the neighbors we notified everyone like like we had to and yeah we've talked we've talked to our neighbors immediately around us they don't have an issue no I mean the Neighbors on both sides can't see the back of our house they won't
even be able to see that part of it and the diagonal from us on T Pitney court it's a similar model they did the same thing where they built over the garage um and then three houses up on 33 Spring House they did the same thing thing so with the same model that we have so
everyone's sort of familiar with it have any more testimony I don't know other questions from the board does anyone from the public have a question see now we close the public
question if you want to any public comments good all right okay all right all right sorry Mr chair just gotta make sure everybody's getting a chance okay I don't really have any summation okay I guess I could do a summation on the
board's behalf I suppose I want I want to see you guys go home early too okay uh applicant applicants here are seeking two B variances first is for lot coverage ratio uh 20% is the permitted maximum in the zone the proposing
21.01% correct um want to just be accurate with that uh floor area 336 square feet is the maximum perit on this property they're proposing 3,932 Square fet as far as conditions go
the uh complying with comment number three in Mr S Memo I think it was the only one that was at actual condition um nothing in the AC memo and then nothing in Mr Quinn's memo though I would just like I was saying before I would just include those two uh
cautionary items any resolution just see where okay okay and oh the exterior of the additions will be atically uniform with the existing dwelling that was spoken about and then you guys would be re require to already but you'll be relocating that
trampoline to your side of property yes okay understood and those are the conditions Mr chairman so think that's it thank you Mr seski my pleasure we'll open it up to the board comments motions I would simply say this is um
it's a minimal change um I I don't see it as a C1 I don't see any hardship here um I just see this as um not having any impact to anyone in the neighborhood so I don't see that there's any detriment whatsoever um again so minimal I I would
say a C2 and you know it's an improvement to the house itself um so I would be in favor I agree too I think it makes the house look more balanced when you're looking at it and I'm familiar with the neighborhood and I doing a lot of additions over the garage I think it
just makes sense and it would be in character of the neighborhood and I think it's improv I drove the neighborhood everything's pretty uniform looking so well spaced I feel like 1% is pretty minimal and I'm not seeing any areas where you
could reasonably reduce lck coverage gel Square to balance we normally do ask that but I'm really not seeing anything on this yeah no Neighbors from behind that they're going to see it and it's not expanding the house sideways so big
open space make a motion on I'll make a motion um so I would deem the deem the application complete and I would ask our board attorney to draft a resolution memorializing um all of the stipulations
and um it's a motion to approve the appli and a motion yes I'm sorry should properly clarify that under C2 to approve the application Joy not thank you thank you m bman we have a second I'll second thank you m b m ke
for please m b yes Mr yes M yes yes thank you than you than you very much Happy Holidays you too
okay next item on the agenda is Brady ZB 24-15 there you here for this application next application okay which one are you here for for h Sor for the hessel's application
it's okay I appreciate everyone's patience tonight as we get through these so to make sure you guys W wasting your time yeah pleas you can please come forward and information in a
minute a second to get organized and give us a rund down and make sure your notice was in order so I know it's in order but let me just get specific with it okay yes Mr chair I did have an opportunity to review this applicant's notice I find it to be uh sufficient in terms of both its content and commonness
of service was sent to owners of property with been 2 inter feet of subject property on October 29th and then also published in the Burnsville news on October 31st which are both more than 10 10 days in advance of tonight's hearing so the board has jurisdiction to here decide this case in my legal opinion so with that I will swear in our
board professionals as well as the applicants you can all Raise Your Right hands be testifying do all of you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth the whole truth okay all right so sir give us your name your address tell us where Ryan and Kristen Brady 30 uh northstone Hedge
Drive bin Ridge right here oh sorry we're here to seek approval for um to put a pool in our backyard um we have a variance that we need to apply for based on the lock
coverage okay you have any Witnesses with you this evening hi I'm Dix Simons uh owner Premier Pools and Spas um have a minor in civil engineering a Bachelor of Science in L architecture and been doing uh pool design construction for 25 years
actually been in front of this board about five or six times so you have a civil engineer I have a um I have a minor okay you're not not a I have a b no I'm not okay no so are are you an expert in pool design and installation is that yeah and drainage and related
I've done a lot of these with the okay Mr chairman has you accepted as an expert in pool design and installation that be fact witness or expert oh you can be an expert in that in that it's not civil engineering but it's it's cool installation and design I know the board's recognized that in the past okay
so we'll look so tonight we're looking for variance for impervious coverage bulk variants for the uh pool and the uh Pool Patio we've had plans put together that the uh uh experts have looked at from
the township uh we're basically in agreeance with all the uh the list they came back except for one um there's a discussion about a drainage ditch on the uh I take it's the west west side of the
property so from what I understand uh this has been near since the beginning of the property was built and there is a drainage easement on the far left side and it sounds like they're asking uh for us to do a a new easement of a repairing Zone uh which would basically
uh create uh the inability for the client to do anything in the backyard for any kind of construction any kind of shed after this so we're asking for Relief not to put this additional uh uh easement in the backyard sir can I ask what what document you're referring
to was it this memor correct yeah that's actually mentioned twice so if you go to um have a copy of that in front yeah yeah you just point that out for us so know what you're so Thomas Quinn uh discusses it it say memo dated November 24th
correct doic over that so I guess the question we have is this is 30 years ago this has built the property why is it now being being enfor a new regulation it wasn't in place when the property was built D is coming up with new regulations basically every day um they
have a series of permits some of them which you don't even have to make an application for um that you can apply for your expert um your expert who issued the letter identifying that repairing Zone and also
verifying that there were no weapons that you had to worry about right um he I think he may have even mentioned that you qualified for a uh let me just check yeah they it's
comment number 10 in my review memo dated November 27 2024 just referencing the fact that you you did have an environmental expert look at the wetlands issues Wetland buffers and repairing in zones and and
um your expert did identify that there is a 150t reparan Zone associated with that ditch alongside the property and that um that The Proposal complies with the requirements of a permit by rule requiring no formal
approval from d for what you're proposing okay I think you have another issue of defense that was put in there uh which I think is too close to the the stream bank I don't I don't know that that's a per by you can consult me uh
consultant about that I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to do anything with 25 ft of the bank regardless of what was there first or not right um so that I think is going to have to be relocated but the the easement that is referenced in and I'm sorry to go off on this
tangent the eement was referenced in comment number 11 in my report that's that's a Township requirement uh but it doesn't change the regulation of what already applies now all it does is basically memorialize the fact that there is a protected area on
your property it'll follow along with the uh the deed to the property to advise any future people that that that's a repairing Zone and it's subject to certain regulations and if anybody wants to do anything in there such as put a swimming pool they need to check that it complies
with the permit by rule or maybe it requires a more significant permit or something else so it'll be a note on the deed basic yeah it's more of a public information kind of thing um to get it out there on all the maps surveys and everything else telling well you're aware now but any
future homeowners but we don't it is no changes need to be made well you need to show you'll have to have a survey or show the line on the plan okay which you can see approximately where it is and and show that on the plan give us a means and
balance description of it there's a standard written document that you attach your survey and am bance description to the township attorney writes it up you sign it it gets recorded with the county clerk and at any time time somebody does a title
search on your property it'll show up among whatever other restrictions if any are on your property that whoever owns that property needs to be aware of that okay that's short of it but you can't this board can't do anything about what the all right just let me just expand
they've covered most of it but it happens all the time that features wet streams ponds features that created 34 50 years ago get captured into the state regulatory areas but uh Dave Krueger who
did your uh your assessment he's he's absolutely right it's your friend is the fact that it's all Disturbed it's all maintained grassland so it's not it's not disturb buffer you don't have to get a permit for the DP but you do have to a letters a notification and ask Dave about that
you have to just write him a letter tell them what you're doing and that's it just just record it but you don't have to wait for them to respond or give you a formal permit okay good thank you so besides that we had no issue with the all the comments you guys are just to be clear you comply with everything in Mr
scho Everything Mr Quinn's memo correct um Dare I ask Will you comply with everything in the environmental commission you go we're not taking any trees down all right did did you get an opportunity to review the first one they issued back I actually haven't seen that yeah all right you can uh you borrow my
copy there're actually two there was one September 29th and October uh I'm sorry September 24th October 29th my Dat Back um just went through on my end so a few of their suggested conditions they wanted actually suggested some revisions
to the plans so that you would show the square footage of the drainage area uh show the discharge overflow from the seage pits show the elevation of the bottom of the seage tank as well as the stone Basin depth clarify the seage pit detail with consistent measurements
label the top soil pile are you guys uh those changes that's fine okay fantastic um also suggesting use a system to filtrate water before it drains into the recharge system is that something you guys can do so we're going to use you mean for the uh pool filter you
mean I don't know what not on the okay where was that that's the problem they don't they don't number their comments next time filtering system have them number the comments oh I see it okay no no no
it's he's on the EC that's just a side comment when you guys are put these memos together could you like number all your comments that we can easily refer to them yeah we do we have portal PL yeah but like on the memos themselves they're not numbered like I'll talk to you offline
sorry yeah well our engineer wait time I'll get back to you later I'll talk I'll talk to you in the meeting all right first okay just I'll get to you I'm sorry our engineer will have this list so he'll make the adjustments okay
um so you're going to do that one um employe will you guys employ storm water storm water best management practices during site work as part of final regrading restoration yes okay will you uh employ best management practices to preserve and protect trees during there's no trees in the back REM so
that's mov okay um throw it to uh our board engineer Mr Quinn um they on storm water you think yeah let me let me just go through a few of these because this was a little bit unusual this one um their system is appears to be
designed for like almost 3200 square feet it appears to be the difference between what they're allowed um at the 7,710 squ Ft versus the 10, 741 ft they're proposing that excludes
that part of the culdesac right clarified what I'm almost the CES act that's on the property we're kind of excluding because as David mentioned in his letter eventually that'll go away if that Road's ever built through so I'm not when I do my coverage calculations
uh I didn't include the culdesac for storm water purposes right so they've basically accounted for all of the overage again excluding the culde ACT um I don't have any problem with that
the um the uh the system relies total on infiltration there is no overflow the way the system and I heard on the Environ the environmental uh commission report the grates don't work out for an overflow here so this is going to be an entirely retained system so it'll have
to be soils testing and logging in the area of the facility to ensure that groundwater is not you proba so you know what has to be done um if if you can't for some reason since you have no overflow you Haven ra to work with you may have to come up with some
creative shallow system if your perks don't come up here and this this happens a lot in the town because our perks aren't even okay um I also noted there was some conflicting dimensions on the dryw like the environmental commission um I noted that there need seemed to be an
extension of the wall the southern end of the existing patio would have to be conru Ed in order to create the cut where the patio is that's stuff you can take care of um I always recommend when you use these shallow lawn inlets and I don't know what your experience is if you do a lot of these if you don't put
at least a good 12 in stone subbase underneath for frost heave these things in the pitch and all over the yard because they're shallow we use the heavy NDS so they tend to that yeah if you're going you know 30 inches or 24 in down then you don't have that so much but if you're not so that was the common for
the 12 in of stones um look I looked at this and and the board will debate this I looked at this and I thought there was it was very aggressive in terms of the perious cover proposed they'll discuss that but I thought there was a lot being proposed
um we talked about the repairing buffer what I will tell you too is that this always happens that since you're uh requesting a perious cover of U violation or variance make sure your as build
condition doesn't in clude doesn't scope creep yes your hardcap doesn't scope it happens over time and you com back and it's a pain in the night and then just that you require SD certification for this okay that's all I have Mr Quinn the reason I te you up on that yes initially
but I appreciate everything you said I went too far you let me go too far no I did next time I got to ring in um EC uh proposed that they uh Implement site features to promote uh recharge from the roof leaders is that something you think would be NE
proper here well no what what they've got is they've got a system that relies on Lain surface grade right so they're capturing the patio they're capturing some of the lawn right so it I
mean if you want to capture a part of the house if the house isn't address isn't connected to a dryw now that's fine maybe it's easier to take a portion of that engineer now yeah yeah I don't have a problem with that the I think the way it's designed now they're capturing such a large area of the rear yard I don't
anticipate any additional runoff but to the environmental commission's um comment it sometimes is easier to grab a portion of the existing house than to try to pop lawn inlets in and grade it to lawn Inlet so my in my experience
either case would be fine so I think what I'm cap is recommend right to have them it's not a bad idea to have Advocate explore the alternate of um connecting existing roof area to the underground good faith best efforts you
guys will do that good let engineer make the decision uh same thing with planting native trees and shrubs to mitigate impervious coverage will make a good faith best effort we do have Landscaping planned around the pool okay but you guys will you be using native species
for that we tend to yeah Bay right yeah the Bradford pairs you'll also utilize best management practices when discharging not so we don't we actually use uh cartridge filters which don't backwash so no discharge no discharge
yeah okay all right so that's kind of as well okay thanks foring with me can we um I know the Au agreed to everything in my memo yes and just about everything was a pretty standard comment that only required an agreement but comment number
two uh which has some questions about the coverage calculations is oh yeah something that needs to actually be addressed yes what I think we want a Clarity on what the ex I think there was a what the 1283 where there was a typo I
think you talking about yeah number 2B that's just a difference in what the plan of a couple square feet inconsistency between the plan and and the table right but a and
C uh well talks about your lot areas a little uh yeah so there was actually the survey didn't Encompass the one you talking about the patio and the the generator that's the big one there a where you got some coverage is not even shown on the
plan so assuming it's not includ yeah that was so the the patio came with the house um when we bought it and so did the survey and I didn't realize they weren't consistent so it was my apologies for that well what I'm what why it's important tonight is that you if the patio still there and unless
you're going to remove it along with the other generator and AC units and that stuff it counts as coverage we measured it's like 178 square feet for the patio and for the the generator pad okay I think we're going to need a a
number you're asking one Yeah 178 is what we measured at right yeah percentage wisec oh percentage I I don't know the percentage those things are important to know the board's going to you know they'll Grant you a we have
certain percentage your heal to whatever the threshold is that the would Grant so that's figure it out degree of specificity um and then I guess a question about C uh I have a comment here from our engineer saying that it was a was a rounding area I think is
what he said for the actual that one actually works to your benefit right you agree that any other questions on two well just what the number number needs to know it is a 178 I checked the math right
178 um square feet so the percentage wise um that I don't know so we're doing 177 feet more than that what do you want to know so we're 178 ft more so percent on that
it's additional 2% right so we need to add we so that's 25% of that so we need to do okay 25.6 yeah it's 25.6 now that's before the bulb
removal so then with the bulb removal let's check my algebra here um p is in what is do you guys know the this bulb pavement number that you've calculated cuz I don't know that I have that to figure that out engineer yeah
2359 he's got 2359 okay so then we go it's right there you're point two more now so you're actually it's 20 point 21 point cuz we're adding 6 or R so hold on
do okay so that's 10741 and we have 178 20 point .5 20.5 that's no that can't be TI hold on you're at 20.9 now like
21.1 there2 more before okay so we take 1310 minus 2359 = 1071 and then we add the 178 was 10 91 so
that's 109 I one of you guys just figure that out when don't we try to keep things okay sorry about that I had a couple questions go ahe Mr chair are you guys putting planning on installing any like lighting features out in the pool area if it'll be any landscape lighting it'll
be down liting all right I'm going to take stipulation killing time uh there's a packet of photos that yeah the so it says I believe this is the engineer correct and then when were
these taken and do they represent the current conditions of conditions want take look at it and just step us through each photo on a page so photo one is the backyard uh facing towards the
uh east side of the house looking at the fence uh the second the third photo I'm sorry second photo is uh the back of the house with the shed and then the third photo is the West corner with the uh the plate
set so basically the backyard is wide open our concern is always screening from the neighbors so it seems between the fence and no one can really see in there between the fence and all the the the foliage yeah it's very
private I drive by there are very few mostly trees back there a lot of the leaves were down yeah so you could see the yeah I could I from the street see that's a close and as you can see there's already planted ever on the back
of the the fence anyway you see all the uh is there plan to put any more screening back there or is it just going to you're going to add or just keep what's there now we're planning to landscape behind to create a buffer yeah between the pool and the Neighbors on the other side in Tu did
you talk to any of the neigh we did we talked to get microphon it's hard to hear on the on the T um so we sent the Letters Out to the neighboring people within the 200 feet and then we also spoke to some of our surrounding neighbors who basically said oo have fun
so we didn't get a negative feedback um from anybody that we spoke to um so is it Landscaping on the plan or we saying thatting Landscaping I feel like we're I feel like we're lacking some information yeah I think the most
important piece right definely so I feel like um we're we're numbers aren't accurate I'm a little confused on where we are with our numbers I know we're trying to figure out but I I also feel like there's not we don't have everything that we need to
be making a decision I kind of agree I I would like to see some photos of the back of the house and the existing patios and some of the existing stuff that's there have a feel is the size certainly on top of it I'm just going to say it I think that there's a lot going on here and I that were're over um what
I'm seeing aside from the culdesac um if we took the culdesac out and we were at the 20.9 or or or 21% we're still over a significant portion so I really appreciate that you're that
you're addressing storm water um that's very very important um there's a lot of patio and haer around the pool a lot of the coping not really sure um what the plan is for all of that there's so much of it I'm wondering are you building any
structures are you planning on putting a kitchen out there are you planning on putting a pool house anything like that it's actually not that much we actually have 15 feet on one side I left no Patty on the back and there's three feet on the other two sides there not actually a lot of patio 15 by 30 15 by 30 yes 15 by
29 you've got by 25t patio you're building behind the sunro you got an existing patio that's 50 long by I would say an average of 15 right so there's a lot going on back there I mean it's it's a lovely plan but it is over a significant amount you're
over 6% and the the pool is large too 20 X 45 is bigger than we usually see 20 by 40 is usually the Max and a lot of times people do 18 by 36 to try to minim minim I mean a standard concrete pool is
800t we usually do 1200 F feet so this is kind of actually in the middle this isn't a really big pool this over I think one of the problems too is right we we've been having a lot of these cases and we've been judicious in
what we give over the 15% we 15% is but now it's hard to know what they give because there's more there than we thought so it's from it's hard to know right how to prioritize what you need and what you don't need and it's it's hard to make decision that way I
count you know you could do a deck instead of a patio you there's there's things that would minimize the lock coverage right right but you have to know what's there now you got to have a base you have to have a base yeah we don't have a base even work I think what I'm hearing is that board members would like to take another
shot of this certainly you got to give us the calculations okay 21.2 I finally got there sorry I was just flustered with the pressure here when you're watch how much is being proposed toal I'm sorry uh the total would be 10,919 I need a percentage and the
percentage is 21.2 so that includes your little driveway bump out and the patio in the front that Dave had referred to correct 21.2 yes Drive yeah minus the CC part sorry yeah so you were 20 you said
25.6 currently that that was the number 2095 right now right yeah so it just goes up to 21.2 with with the adding in the The Patio that isn't on the drawing and the generator that's existing is
21 no existing with the proposal is 21 in2 but that does not include that does not includ the okay your new number is 10,900 what 19 and 19 so it's less than 200 square feet
that covers what looks like a substantial driveway bump out and the patio in the front this is what here's the problem we're looking at this right this looks like it's this and whatever is that here looks like it's bigger than 10 something square feet so the driveway actually doesn't it
comes like this it doesn't go all the way out like that so how are you calculating that I I didn't do anything with the driveway I didn't understand the driveway I was just adding in this patio here this driveway is is less than what you have drawn on the survey doesn't look that way I think what the
Board needs is an actual accurate existing conditions you had a surveyor go out and do too but he didn't update anything else I think that's what the board's looking for to get to understand the whole thing accurately so is there is
there a percentage that you would approve that if we can get the design there we we have approval so that we can move forward or is I don't know I'm not an expert here so that's a fair question right I mean if you if you have a percentage whether it's 20 or 18 once we
do the drawings then we can just go forward because we would really you know like to get started and I think we can um apologies for not having the um that done it was an oversight um on on my part for including so I think one of the
questions is with or without the CAC yeah that's that's a big question right there in my mind legally speaking ultimately the CC it's part of your proper perious coverage on your property needs to be accounted for so that's something you know whatever final number
is going to have to include that call this act Unless somehow you can figure out how to get it off your property but I don't think that's feasible thing to do I read the language from you that that was more of like you know like a townish town sort of accepting that or maybe I Mis misred it but like you acknowledge that it was a temporary
situation temporary situation you designed it that way so then does that further penalize me because of that I made the comment I actually advise the board what the coverage would be without the culde act because in my mind and maybe in some of the board
members minds they would see the culdesac as a hardship on you because it's so unique and not the same as everybody else and unfair as opposed to the pool the patio you know the other things that are certainly not as much of
a hardship in my opinion as having a culdesac on your property so that's why I broke that out so the board can see it still counts but if the board if you're asking for just go with the numbers that you came in with 25% including the culdesac some board members would say
well look what about without the CAC because you can't do anything about that nobody else has to do with that that's probably a hardship on you uh and you wouldn't be that high of a percent but as was pointed out it's still very high as far
as can ask a question why is so the lady before was 20% was their a lot coverage and ours is 15 lot was about 6,000 sareet you're in a different Zone you have a conforming lot your lot is fully conforming and Y you know
that's a hardship on them for having such a small lot right so listen I mean you know the we added in the second P we're a big family we're six of us we have a lot of if you have kids we wanted like two separate dining areas so that we could eat over here and the kids
could eat over there that's the reason um so you know you can bear with us that but you know then if if it's too much i' rather find a way to move forward tonight and if you can give me a percentage that we can go forward with this and then we'll share eat with our
kids and cl so uh if this helps you I mean we've done many pools over the last four years I the question we usually ask is can you reduce the size of a pool would you that would be our first question to you would you go with a smaller size pool would you remove the spa and then the third thing we would
work on is can you reduce the size of a patio because we're looking for reduction here so it's kind of like what would your preference be I think our preference would be to reduce the Pao yeah because we are a big family and the kid they're boys and they're all over each other so we would feel more comfortable with the larger space for them to play safely in the pool without
hitting the walls or anything anything like that and maybe reduce the the patio size would be my thought yeah usually as what can you live with around the pool as far as the you know the walkway around the pool and there's other ways you can do it too I mean sometimes people do you know a
Hampton Style tool they put stones in and there's some grass in between reduce percentage uh you know in the future if the bulb goes away then you could always put patio May approval for that truthfully you have the patio that isn't isn't on the drawing that is there that
we probably won't use anymore so like that might be one of the easier things to take to take outs don't count as lock covers the way our yeah I guess but the way our house is situated yeah so how does this how does this work do we need to like say exactly what we cut
out or do you give us a number we we we've done it where we just hold you to a thresh like a percentage so but so so my question is though if they walk away with a percentage when they make the application do they
actually have to come back with a proper survey so that we know that absolutely engineer on a property like this where the coverage is like all over the place tell exactly what they're going they're not going to make update to survey they'll have to show an accurate plan
that their their pool person or somebody could do um but when it when it's all done they're going to have to do survey you have to do a final survey sure the engineering department requires that even for non applicants when it's when it's hard to figure out you'll have to do the survey when
it's done I also just point out real quick you can also remove existing improvements that are perious like I'm sorry impious like like the shed or portion of the driveway start not the C sack po unfortunately at least think I don't think so
so you want to chop down the driveway or maybe move a shed I don't think that play area counts as coverage right because it's like it's mul there's like yeah it absorbs it didn't look like it looking at the picture yeah yeah so up to you so I don't know so one other
question though I sort of read your comment as perhaps the culdesac was planned to go away within a certain time frame are they planning is there a plan going on as far as extending that property I don't know what the status of the ownership of the property next door
that it was planned for there may be some environmental concerns on there that did not exist like this repairing Zone that affected you know down the road maybe became less developable yeah there's I about development of that property when we
moved they said that was not like the way the lot is I think it was not develop not developable we were told yeah it was originally anticipated that way that it's clear that's the only reason you would have a temporary call at this point in time I would think if there was any future development on that
lot it would probably be done with Shar driveway kind of thing or just driveways off leave the C SEC where it is that would be my guess how the planning would handle it because there's just not enough new homes that could go in there that would Warr all that extra pavement and the same thing we're talking about
right now yeah that that would be my my best guess on that's a town a Township easement though right so the township would have to ultimately approve any kind of the township would get rid of the easement if the C was extended and you know
grassed over not not not something this board can really determine to do I mean we have a unique situation here and you know I me just be consistent with other applications where usually when we're about 5% over that's
kind of our limit just on average and we're at that now I think we've been three to four% but we can discount you know we discounted the bul of the c i it's still what are we talking at the most 20 22 23% you guys would be comfortable with
that 22 and a half right now we're at 26.7 with the it's a big number when you look at look from 15% yeah 26.7 add Act was 21.2 without the
col it's worth considering that the drainage from that col Act was already addressed when the road was constructed so there's no drainage impacts there's certainly a perious cover but the drainage impacts were absorbed when the road was constructed and whatever system
was designed to handle that so it's benign from that St from we have no no water issues the backyard is dry as dry can be um too as much as I would like it that so I would be uncomfortable 22% I'm
thinking between 22 and 23 myself 23 being the a limit yeah my thought was to knock three at least three off of once you remove the then it would be% off so we' be at like 17 or 18 if that ever goes
away so so so say the culdesac wasn't there and you were at 18 to 19% I think that's fairly consistent with what we've done especially with with the storm water management that they're proposing all right bear in mind now without the cues act currently they're
at 16.4% 16.4 they're proposing without the C act if we take that out is 20.9 so existing 16.4 proposes 20.9 currently if we just take the culdesac pavment
out so when I was saying 18 I was not including the CAC okay so 18 to 19 so then we would be at it's 2.95 right now with the CAC correct so that's why I'm I think I think
2 23 that's the right and if the CAC numbers come out that 23 that we approve reduces down to the 18 it doesn't say the 23 I I'm thinking up numbers you give it back you
down yeah agre to that now but if it goes away you don't get it you know the next person you can't sounds very reason I'm trying to come up with something I was looking at your numbers like at around the 21% I think if you knocked two to three% off
of there I don't know if that's gonna be possible what if we get it down to 20 that's my 20 even sorry let's talk proposed number yeah the proposed number was 26.7 right
now the so we took 3% off of that three but what if to your point we just shift the pool back to the center and we use that main patio no you the you can't 23 and half 23 and a half
with the cuac included yes yes perfect we'll figure it out it gets reduced if the goes away just to make sure I follow that then we' have to take something else out you probably would have to change anything numbers numb no I don't think they could no they can't they got
come back they have to come back they have to come back to when you get approved stays approved you just can't add that 3.5 including the that would be the stipulation the goes away they cannot add impervious
right allow right commen with that 23 and AUD the go away commencer with the KAC being removed your threshold goes down get approved it goes 23.5 to whatever
be% that think that's given what you're what you're planning to do with store Water Management you don't have any water issues collect some water as well so I think given all of that and 4% over what you should be I think that's fair I think it's reason can to ask you a
question so like to hit that number we need to change something with the way the PA is like that's all fine right just to hit that number to you whatever you want that's there already ruce the size of the pool reduce the
patio as long as you're under 23.5 You' be presuming the board approves we're still we making suggestions just that you do want it but it's just this is what you know this is what we're seeing when we look at the I mean you got a
driveway turnaround that's 41 ft deep you could you could plenty of places yeah I have teenage driver so you know that's their parking spot but you know I might take it somewhere else but thank you for
the just observations and where the choice is entirely Your Design 23 and a half I think we can we can make that work just to clarify you submit the plans they have to be that percentage when you build it you can't change it
and reconfigure more there going to be after that trust me they ask for a reason we understand when the contractor says we make the patio a couple feet bigger because we got extra Stone don't let them do
it okay anything else from the board no anything else from applicant do you have any other before uh just apologize for submitting a poor survey and being very bad at algebra my son will be disappointed um but thank thank you very
much uh for your patience and uh um appreciate the um flexibility okay so we're going to open it to the public for any questions of the applicant if anyone here would like to ask any questions see any does anyone have a
comment from the public see none all right and Chris we have the stipulation for the it comes the threshold comes down trees Landscaping yes
yeah Landscaping okay forget when I through my summary okay um all right so no you guys have nothing else four members have anything else follow okay so I can go ahead all right so the applicants here are seeking one bolt variance for the lot coverage ratio they're permitted 15%
even here in the R4 zone They uh proposing 23.5% that's including the cul saac bulb that is up the front of the property um so that's the only variance as far as conditions go the applicants indicated they'd be complying with
the they'd be complying with everything in Mr sly's memo dated November 27th um everything in Mr quint's memo dated November 24th um several conditions from the environmental commission memo um making various plan revisions um
using a system to filtrate Water Report drains in the recharge system employing storm water storm water best management practices during site work uh they're not removing any trees so those um suggestions are kind of unnecessary uh going to make a good faith best effort to implement site features that promote the recharge of
storm water from roof leaders and to also make a good faith best effort to plant native trees and shrubs um further conditions um any lighting fixtures in the pool area would be down lighting fix only meaning they be otherwise shielded so it's not to cast
spillage onto neighboring properties and uh it's also indicated they'd be providing uh landscape screening along the property lines right additional evergreen trees correct okay okay and that's all three both
sides of the rear property line okay can I just make sure I understood that part where are we putting where are we putting Evergreen cheese it wants to buffer between the pool and the back of the neighbors be along the side property Lin they have to be evergreen trees
that's what he says so that's what they usually require yeah okay that would be subject to VI approval that's along the rear and the side as well that's now as I understood it yes side does that have to there's
it's an empty lock there's side closest to the pool just vac oh okay so well you said the side so I'm just going off so not we we had planned behind to create a buffer like for the neighbors that would have sort of a visual that's what we were sort of
thinking I don't know that we were thinking the whole looking assuming the north the top is the north you play on the North property line Eastern property line unnecessary on the south due to the vacant lot down there there's there's already trees along the north line so I don't think there's anything that needs
to be done there okay yeah you're not that's pretty far from far you can't even see so just the rear property correct everyone's okay but there's there's a I mean I'm fine with it but there's also trees in the neighbor's yard in the back
that would is prevents not on your property not on my actually they planted trees there and they all died because there wasn't enough water true indicated you would do it that's we'll do it can we do it is there like a you know that is a long lot right
so is it can it just be behind the pool doesn't have to be the whole length of the yard does it with the pool okay because we use the other or the patio let's say you're going to go to wherever the patio on the pool in the we don't don't along the
rear of the pool we don't want that either so that was already in the plan but I guess we were just thinking we had to do the whole it's a pretty big yard though okay you could do more if you want that would be the of our pool just be 150% Landscaping along the rear that means
that east side of the pool correct correct okay I think everybody's okay with that that's captured and that was the last stipulation condition so that's it that's board members oh no well no no this where we talked about the the plan need when you submit for your permit
needs to be updated to um show the existing things we discussed that are not shown that should be where your survey that should be done by your survey somebody's going to have to go out there and pretty much survey it anyway and you're going
to want to know sooner than afterwards and probably since your your patios and pools are pretty geometrically easy to calculate you might not have to do a survey afterwards because that could be
measured um can't promise that it depends but um definitely just existing conditions as of right now should be on a survey okay yep is that an extra condition that they need to repeat yeah stemming from number two and being
accurate with what exists but it be a survey now then it's to everyone's benefit okay so that's another condition they have to submit a revised survey yes in order to address comment number two in my report okay the
accuracy of the offence yes yes yeah I'll ask is there a fence there's a fence there's a fence we need to upgrade the gates um that was noted but um yes there's a fence around the hole but back here get it out of the
E than the uh well it might have to come more than just out of the E because ofan Z own requirement if you have any questions you can call me your environmental person okay okay okie doie I think that's it just to be 100% clear because
we had a little bit of discussion no questions from the public no comments from the public after all that okay good all right that's it Mr chairman okay I'm going to start off with some comments I appreciate the owners working with us on the percentage it's just been an important issue with rain water and run off lately with all the flooding and all
that so the state is really C on this so I appreciate that um and I think we're handling the storm water run off from from the pool I don't think that's an issue um the screen I appreciate the extra screening for the Neighbors in the back and uh I think the bulb of the culde ACT is creating a C1 hardship to
the property so I would say C1 and C2 I would motion to approve this right I'm going to Dema complete the thing and I will um advise our board attorney to draft a resolution memorializing our decision to Grant the salt relief subject all the stipulations agreed to
this evening by the app I have a second all right said that a few times thank you Mr M keeper bman yes Mr K yes M talkar
yes yes thank you okay you're free much happy holidays thank you so we're past 10 o' so I have to ask the board we willing how late are we willing to stay I'm thinking no more than a half hour
11:00 if that I mean it's up to the board if they want to stay to give the next right now I would say 11 and then I would stop again and ask if we're not done does the applicate think they could get it finished in the next half hour I'm here no what you're here
professionals you're good all right the last one of the year year let's uh let's give it a shot come forward yes thank you for waiting time thank you foring appreciate it Mr chairman real
quick as everyone's getting up and ready I was point out for the record I found the notice to be sufficient time we served content was a okay meets all the statutory requirements um you know in my legal opinion the board is jurisdiction here and decide the case I'll give you the bridge version just for the record
I'm going say we next item on the agenda is hleb 24-02 my apologies making that clear all right let's get everybody sworn in he's going to be testifying all the applicant folks and for professionals all of you swear or affirm
the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth do okay great so want to TS officer give us your address for the record um my name is Robert hesles I'm the owner of RDH Design Group at 14 Blackwell Avenue in Mars
Township um I'm a licensed uh landscape architect and planner I'm also the owner of RDH as I stated uh graduated from Ruckers back in 91 and um I've been practicing for almost 35 years now so
I've testified in front of boards in Bedminster mendum Burnville Mars County Burton County Union County uh so I've been around a little bit not in front of you guys though sorry are you the property owner I'm not the property owner my sister is the property owner I am the property
owner hi Amy hles nice to meet you guys I've lived in uh basking rich for about 11 years my husband's Carlos Abad uh he's at home with a bad back so okay so so there you go all right so so miss hustles you were the you're the applicant here yes well I'm the
applicant but I did it for I did it for her she's the owner okay okay I got you all um okay so I so you're an expert in the landscape architecture is that you said landscape architecture and planning oh and oh professional planner as well okay yes good okay Mr chairman is he accepted
I you accepted as an expert on planning all right thank you landscape and Landscaping yes so um just briefly the property's located 131 coning street block 1206 lot 34 it's in an R7 Zone um
they're looking to put an addition on and a patio as well as a driveway and um the lot is very undersized for the Zone a half acre is required and they currently the lot's at 36 Acres roughly 30% under the uh the requirement also
the existing house is 10.5 ft off the uh front yard setback 40 ft is required um those two um non-conformities and hard chips trigger two variances that came up one for maximum allowable coverage which
which 20% is required they're requesting 26.55 per. and the second is front yard setback like I stated before 40 feet is required the new uh setback on the addition is 23.7 feet so with that said I'd like to turn it over to Scott Leland
the architect my name is scottan I work for Frank Bell architect I have an under graduate degree in George from Georgia Tech a graduate degree in architecture from North Carolina State I am not a licensed architect but I have worked for Mr Bell for 30 years as his
project designer and I've actually designed this project so I think you're excuse me so I think you're submitting yourself as an expert in architectural design not necessarily the architecture correct okay great I don't know do you need a license for that of any sort 30 years of
experience that's all I can say you're not like a licensed professional anything like that okay I've been in his office for 30 years as a lead designer all right and you've testified in front of boards like this with the p mostly 100 County area okay okay Mr chairman accept it as a landcape or as
an architectural design expert we'll accept thank you um so you've seen the pictures on the engineering drawings I can briefly describe the front portion of the house which is existing that is remaining as is we're not touching that
except for some interior Renovations um the house presently is about 1350 square feet for two floors total the addition off the back will be for a new twocc car garage kitchen mudro area and an
expanded Master new master bedroom upstairs there's present three bedrooms upstairs one of them is being turned into a hallway and laundry room which the laundry is now presently in their six foot basement so that will be the
connector back to their master with the small structure is 24 tall the new structure behind 29t less 35t re that be
the everything is in the back the only addition that's encroaching Beyond existing rear yard has will be a side entry p which is about 60 ft that we're putting on the
side that he had mentioned would be the 23t front door there is a presently also a small 5 foot by 14t addition off the rear of the house that will be knocked down compensating for some of that
square any questions let me know horizontal siding what will the new square footage of the house be the new square footage of the house would be approximately 3500 sare ft there is no basement plan there the existing house
right now only has a six basement under the dining area the other area is a crawl space the addition will have a crawl space Also the addition is going to yes the addition the addition the in the kitchen area and the mudro area will have a crawl space and then the Garage
the garage makes up about 620 sare ft of that addition so living space is only about 28 2900 sareet and of that of that living space
now 1300 of that living space is present so the living actual additional living space is about 15600 okay any other board M I know there was one comment in the one of the memos that the side porch that we are adding will not be enclosed
that'll just have a roof over it and be open and we did uh when we first started the design to previous coverage we were planning on a three car garage and made the addition much larger we decided
based on the lot size to cut that loading yes garage is also only about 21t deep which is tried to make it as compact they fortunately have not SUV so we didn't have to make it as deep as I
would normally design so we kept it as compact as possible knowing size of lot really needed to be smaller the scale everything the driveway how many cars could the driveway I I mean I can answer it the
driveway can easily hold two cars two yeah remember when we were talking about rsis requiring two and a half stalls the two-car garage and the driveway in front this would be the two and a half stall configuration that they
so how many bedrooms in the house presently there's the tax assessor has it as two but there's actually a third of upstairs three so it meets our si yes it's still only going to be a three three bedroom house the uh is the exterior of the
entire home after the addition is constructed it's going to be aesthetically uniform everything's going to look uniform clapboard siding around the whole Edition with matching the front with the trim around the windows architectural shingles okay and uh any lighting exterior lighting proposed some
around the garage doors front porch that's all we've talked about this so far so nothing sort of directed towards the road right and you would agree that as as a condition of approval that should the board approve it lighting would be directed downward or shielded okay understood
thank um I have a question I don't know if you're the guy to answer this but there's a lot of hardcap being proposed patios patio with barbecue what is the existing masonry and Patio structure just to the left of that or to the west of that
um that's a vegetable garden with a small patio and a pizza oven so that's going to stay while you have this and and a barbecue and we're proposing that new patio yes cuz you understand you heard from we heard before that impervious cover is always an issue yes
we're a lot on this so I'm looking personally I'm looking at ways to to make it less and I was just questioning why we had this if we have all of this now yeah understood okay I'm also looking at this and I I
recognize a lot is undersized it's slightly undersized um but it's fairly equal to the rest of the uh properties that are surrounding it um so and I and I don't think um I think that there's room in the
interest of time there's a lot on here there's a lot on um in the interest of time heard all the applicants prior um where could we consolidate um well I spoke to my sister and her husband and
we can reduce the the driveway by 126 Square ft and we would remove all the Stepping Stones uh which is a reduction of 277 Square ft uh which brings us to a request of 24.8 5% so roughly
2% decrease of our ask where would your where would your um make the driveway smaller because I actually think the way this sits up it works nicely for turn around and pulling out it works great but they all have to back out the turnaround is what's going to go why wouldn't we look at some other
Hardscape besides the driveway well CU it the driveway was it's driveway well I know but the driveway to my mind is health and safety I like the way the driveway operates yes I would be looking at other Hardscape instead of the driveway myself
true we've included everything the air conditioning heard us before yeah everything everything is in those numbers yes I apologize you what did the number come down to uh 24.8 5% what's the age of the existing
1930 something so you're going to make the new addition kind of like something else you guys would be willing to reduce the size of like that piz of area the new patio I'd have to pass it
to you I mean I don't how to reduce the pizza are but I the shed the shed they would remove the shed from the property if the shed goes um that's a reduction of 419 Square ft uh bringing the ask
bringing the uh the request to 23.95 per. you guys love that pizza oven huh love it's it's a garden no I'm not discounting it I just was want you made
me understand why you like 23.9 5% Pere 20 I think that's reason and and what and um it's late what are we doing for um storm water we have I have our engineer here
he can briefly talk about it briany maybe just so we speed it up th engineer to qualify before go any further my name is Brian horley um I live in West calwell New Jersey I work for RDH design at 14 Blackwell in Mars
Township um I receiv received my degree from rer poly Technic Institute in 1991 MBA in 1993 um professional license in 2002 and it's been in good standing in the state since two since 2002 uh testified if in front of multiple boards in Essex and
Morris County but first time in front of this board so essentially these guys he's he's covered only increase uh proposed as well as which includes the coverage that's over right they're 1,024 squ fet
over the permitted cover they're proposing 15550 squ fet they've got a system that accommodates 1884 square feet of impervious cover I don't have any issue with that it's a total infiltration system which means you're going to have to be sure like we've heard we've heard before if you were
listening to us agreed you may need a shallow other system yeah we'll do soil testing and we'll we'll come up with an alternate design if there's issues but yeah we'll work with you right the other thing too is I'm always skeptical when I see two inlets here I want to make sure the water gets into the system so a little a few more spot grades to make
sure that there's don't bypass those are your comments about the patio right yeah yeah alternatively I don't know if the existing house can go in whatever just to make sure you it gets collected um any of the work you do in the drive in the rway including this how you handle
this transition and the pipe under here Township engineer is going to review and have comments on that correct permit drawings will show all those details correct um we talked about how we might get a little tighter on the impervious cover um if the shed can be relocated to
provide a performing side George setback you can eliminate that by moving if you're keeping it right um there was a note about tree removal where it says there are no tree removals but they show some tree removals that's just take care of a note there's going to be no tree removals any
impacted trees will be relocated um the survey that we submitted those six trees up front have already been relocated historically that was an old layout that we will correct in the submissions and lastly you require s because your limit of disturbance is over 5,000 square ft
and just caution you that whatever impervious cover you get here just make sure that heartscape creep doesn't ruin your plans agree all right that's all I got thank you Mr shot you want to go through your yeah my November 27 2024 memo uh
the applicant already agreed with number three that the proposed open porch will remain open um the tree number six was the tree issue was just addressed and the rest is uh well seven and eight deal with standard storm water and soil
erosion comments which I'm sure the applicant agrees uh number nine about relocating shed to a conforming setback if it's not completely removed um correct that you guys will be removing the shed that's Sor what they said yes
one thing I didn't mention which you'll find out but you may as well know now you do need to apply for a separate engineering permit as part of your construction permit appliation will be doing some work in the town rway it's just information for you that's all I
had mrki oh man I got did you guys review the environmental commission memo did you get a chance to look at that it came out today okay um I'll go through the list will you guys agree to employ storm water best management practices during
site work and as part of final regrading and restoration yes okay will you employ uh best management practices to protect and preserve trees during site work yes said you would yes uh will you make a good faith best effort to plant native trees and shrubs yes
okay um there's another comment just advising you the potential for inground tanks lead paint Andes uh you got take proper precautions if you encounter any of those yes okay um we make a good F best effort to recycle repurpose or GI any demolish
material that's not going to be reused yes sure I want that ad I don't think this is applicable anymore yours you said no no trees are being removed correct correct all right so that they had a comment about providing tree removal and replacement plan but that's not happening so we're good okay that's it that's actually L
painless painful I thought it would be okay okay any more testimony from the applicant how well screened is the property are there a lot of trees yeah it's I mean the rear the rear property is completely screened with Evergreens
um and the left side of the property uh which is close to uh 35 there that's also heavily screened uh the right side is all has all Native plantings um we can utilize some of the Evergreens and add more screening on that side as well
so all you know all three sides will be well screened and the front you know will be well well landscaped I mean the place is significant change so would be nice to have enough screening yeah I mean my sister's taken you know a lot of pride in in her lot it's beautiful it's
nice to have a landscape advantage of that as much as I could she ask you for free favors like standing tonight at least you get pizza out of theal I get yeah all right um oh just to be clear so
you guys are going to comply with everything in mr's memo Mr Quinn's memo yes it's applicable okay um I think that's all I have um once again for the homeowner have you spoken with neighbors did you get any feedback uh just our next door neighbor uh mentioned oh look
plans or what what you building he asked and we talked about the garage and everything oh that would be great otherwise haven't really heard much from the letters next door to 35 or 33 33 yep okay any more questions from the board the
public are there any questions from the public time come know get you ask questions if not um you can come up and make a comment then at this time if You' like to come up and make a com no you guys are good all
right pictures I don't photos yeah the photos are on page one of the uh per on the prints on the yeah no not that one page one of the RDH I didn't realize you guys put plans
up holy CRA yeah got that real quick can I just get the Revis the last revised dates and those plans make sure at the same stuff have to mark ex that's the hold yep that's the only okay that one
and then architect 81 81 okay I see okay yeah we're good all right just want to confir everything was accurate um those photographs accurately to pick the property yeah it's how it sits currently who took those photographs I did approximately went you
take four or five months ago okay do got it do the housekeeping I got you there's a reason I'm asking these your questions understood method of the okay Mr chairman I think that's no further questions from the
board and I'll ask Mr seski toly lost my little cheat she one there okay I got it okay applicant applicant you're seeking one B bearings uh for oh I'm sorry it was two my bad um for
principal building front yard set back and for lock coverage principal building front yard setback is proposed at uh 23.7 feet um 40 ft is the required minimum um just to note the existing is actually 7.5 ft there but the addition
would be 23.7 so that's why they need that one vertical exacerbation as far as lock coverage goes 20% is the permitted maximum here they're proposing 2.95% yes right yep okay as far as conditions go everything Mr schli memo
dated November 27th 2024 with the exception of relocating the shed because you guys have agreed to remove that um everything in Mr Quinn's memo dated November 29th um and then everything in the environmental commission memo which I believe was dated December 1st with the exception of providing a tree
removal and replacement plan because they not removing any trees U as far as other conditions go my list here um exterior of the dwelling following the addition will be aesthetical uniform um any lighting fixtures would be uh exterior lighting
fixtures would be directed downward or otherwise shielded so it's not to cast light spillage on neighboring properties we touched on the shed being removed and then um did indicate the applicant would be providing additional landscape buffering along the Eastern property line right yeah the right side yeah the
right side the Eastern property line yes we will um okay that would be subject to approval of the planner one question about the shed if the applicant should decide owner decid she wants to keep the shed does the board have a concern with
that as long as the coverage is made up elsewhere that would be fine more by coverage number not as opposed to yeah keep with number okay all right that's fine right so we'll excise that shed must be removed condition but it still has to understood
request is correct and they have the the the leeway figure we'll leway thank you par within that cap um I think that was it so did public so we're good we had
public turn it over to the board took care anyone want to start us off comments motion I'll start comment I it's an undersized lot and mr's Report says that performing size lot it would
only be at 19.04% loot coverage with this Improvement and I think we have to take into consideration under size Lots in this town because there are a lot of a lot lot of lots lot of lots but you know I think In fairness to
people you not everybody lives on a on an acre lot they you know sometimes it's hard to the lot cover so I have no issue with this because of that I think couple of modifications that we propos and the number we' given I think it's very
reasonable so we appreciate you staying and hanging in here with us and we appreciate um your willingness to work with us and and ruce it because as much as we need to be fair to people who have undersized Lots we have to be fair um you know across the board
yes thank you as well all right do I have a motion so we're saying a C1 and a C2 or we saying just a C1 see this both I would say both I I don't see I don't see any detriment here I think that there's um I think it's a
nice Improvement to the lot I think it's a a lovely um a lovely addition uh the proposal looks like it's it's going to be Beau no storm water issues either no storm water issues I appreciate that you're addressing storm water that's probably um one of our top
concerns so we're going to deem the application complete and is the attorney to draft a resolution to approve this application under a C1 and a C2 variants yes with all the stipulated
conditions I take that to be a motion Mr thank you Mr KRA thank you m this keeper call the yes yes mrar yes Mr yes than you thank you thanks a lot have a great holiday thank you for staying really
appreciate right next item on the agenda comments from members uh just want to say on behalf of chairwoman janas and myself thank you for your service this year get a turn you we asked twice I'm sorry we've
been here and we as we had literally I'm sorry no no we asked twice for public you you had an opportunity to ask a question we asked you twice if you want to make a comment ma' it's over I'm sorry you were not about these
guys oh oh sorry well yeah well you showed me the notice I assumed you were here for that then why did you show that to me I don't understand confused I'm confused as well confused I think we're all confused
can I can I explain something to you guys real quick so you must live within 200 ft of that property okay right you live in you live in the township right yeah okay so what happens is this is a this is a land use Board hearing right with the zoning board it's a it's called a quasi judicial proceeding so basically
the law requires them to notify everybody within 200 ft of their property that they're making an application so that's why you receive that notice wasted time here for no apparent the cas I I asked you multiple times what you no idea
well if you get a notice like that it just it gives you an opportunity to help say something it's a legal requirement you weren't subpena it wasn't a subp thank you thank you for staying we apologize thank thank you all
righte what are you do don't know anyway good night good night comments from staff M keeper the only comment I have I hope everybody has a wonderful and healthy holiday season and
we'll start off I just want everybody to know this is the 20th meeting of this year of this boardman's job we go for 21 we go for 12 next year
please rookie numbers got those numbers up guys so again thank you for your service um and we'll see you next year next meeting January 8th that will be our reord meeting and regular meeting all right the board Professionals for their
service all right do I have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second second all in favor