Uh good evening. We're going to call u to order this evening's zoning board of adjustments um hearing. And um our first uh item on the agenda is a flag salute. Please stand. of the United States.
In accordance with the requirements of the open public meetings law, notice of this meeting of the board of adjustment of the township of Bernards was posted on the bulletin board in the reception hall of the of the municipal building, Kier Lane, Basking Ridge, New Jersey.
was mailed to the Bernardsville News, Whippony, New Jersey, the Courier News, Bridgewater, New Jersey, and was filed with the township clerk all on January 8th, 2026, and was mailed electronically to all those people who have request requested individual notice. The
following procedure has been adopted by the Burners Township Zoning Board of Adjustment. There will be no new cases heard after 10 p.m. and no new testimony heard after 10:30 p.m. >> Um, Miss Slayman, would you um do the
roll call? Woman Bowman >> here. >> Dandrea here. Miss Herrera >> here. >> Mr. Leazinski >> here. >> Mr. Lindamman >> here. >> Miss Pear >> here. >> Miss Silver >> here. >> Miss Trap
>> here. Mr. Soi, >> Mr. Quinn here, >> Mr. Schlly, >> and for the record, Miss Layman is present. You have quir, Madam Chair, and may proceed. >> Thank you, Miss Layman. >> I did administer. >> Wonderful. Thank you. We're happy to
have you, Nancy. Um, we're going to start with the approval of the minutes from January 7th, 2026, both the reorganization and the regular session. >> That Mr. Krauss is absent.
>> Oh, yes. Do I have a motion to uh he did let us know that he was going to be absent. Um, so do I have a motion to excuse his absence? >> Yes. Motion to excuse his absence. >> Thank you, Miss Silver and Miss Par. All in favor?
>> Um, I'm going to go ahead and just jump ahead real quick. um for a completeness hearing for CI Mount Airy LLC block 2401 lot 3. Um that hearing is going to be carried to our next hearing, Miss Layman.
Um so if anybody's here for that hearing, it's not going to be heard this evening. It will be on the next uh meeting date and uh with no further notice required. Okay. Okay. All right. So, we'll carry to the
next meeting. Um and then so for the approval of the minutes January 7th reorganization regular session, we did approval of the resolutions. We have Chander uh minutes. >> Oh, sorry. My apologies. Uh January 7th,
approval of the minutes, reorganization and regular sessions. Do I have any? >> Thank you, Miss Pear. >> Second. >> And thank you, Miss Trap. >> Leazenski. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lindamman. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear.
>> Miss Silver. Yes. Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Uh we have the approval of the resolutions now. Uh Chander Nage and Tanya block 5701 lot 1137 Gold Boulevard
ZB25-019. Uh the res it was approved. Uh do I have any comments, edits, or a motion to approve the resolution as drafted? Um not sure that that Yes.
long as he has the coverage. Okay, that's what I thought. Then I'm fine. >> Okay. >> Does anybody else else have any comments or questions? Motion to approve as drafted. >> Rockar, I'll second it. Silver
Lazinski. >> Mr. Lindamman. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear. >> Yes. >> Miss Silver. >> Yes. >> Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Uh the next resolution is New Testament Ministries
2301 lot 3240 Whit Knack Road ZB25-031. This was an interpretation of the ordinance. Does anybody have any comments or questions? on page six. Um, I thought we I'm not sure where it is,
but I thought we had said that they were allowed to have eight full-time occup occupants 21. Um, and I thought we had we had So it was can't really impose a condition because
it was about the word occupant as opposed to like I think it part of the Yeah, this is the I think if the board wants to make a distinction.
>> Yeah. But if >> right if I think the board >> they did indicate that there could be another clergy. >> I I just was unclear whether we had >> they they indicated that they have they
currently have eight. They could potentially have you know another at some point. They wanted the right to have up to 13 bedrooms, but mostly for guests. >> Good question.
Uh, so then, uh, do we have a motion to approve as drafted? >> Drafted. I guess >> I'll second it. >> And Miss Trap. Thank you, >> Mr. Leazinski. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lindamman. >> Yes. Miss Pear, >> yes.
>> Miss Silver, >> yes. >> Miss Trap, yes. Chairwoman Bowman, >> yes. And um might I say that it was a very difficult and interesting and new case for all of us. And I think Mr. Soviets, you did an excellent job with the
>> appreciate resolution. >> Actually a lot of fun to write about the little bit of a challenge. So >> quite interesting. Okay. So we mentioned that uh we're carrying the CI Mount Airy. Um, so next on the agenda for the completeness hearing is 131 Marstown
Road LLC, block 801, lot 2, 131 Marstown Road, preliminary and final site plan, bulk variances, D variances, ZB25040. This is a completeness hearing. >> Thank you. For the record, I'm Donna
Jennings from the law firm of Scold and Spitzer. On behalf of the applicant, I have our site engineer with me, Josh Weary. We are in receipt of the latest uh completeness review letter dated February 2nd, 2026. And we would kind of just like to explain uh why we're
requesting the waiverss at this time and hope that the board uh agrees with us. So if everybody has that completeness review letter, we can kind of go over these seven items uh one by one. So the first one is with regard to providing the letter of interpretation issued by
the NJ verifying the wetlands delineation. We have submitted that to the D um November 2024 but it's not yet been issued. So we would just ask for a waiver and that would just be if the board were to grant it approval a condition of the approval
in the future because we all know does not move with all due speed. Um the second one Josh why don't you explain this is a little bit more technical in nature. Yeah. So, in the latest complaint letter, our our plans currently show the proposed on-site
utility layouts, connections to the existing systems. Um, however, do not include profiles for water, gas, telephone, and electricity. As noted, the applicant is requesting submission waiver as item. So, with our current site plans, we are providing profiles
for the storm water system as well as gravity lines. We'd essentially be asking for a temporary waiver by the profiles for water, gas, telephone, and electricity. Um, we would like to hold on and and preparing those profiles because it would be more efficient for
us to wait until later on closer towards production when the utility comes. >> Sure. Sorry. Sorry. But essentially, we would like to wait until the utility companies get a chance to review our plan so we can prepare the
profiles in a more efficient manner. >> But do you have your well- served letters? >> We do. Yes. >> Why don't you hit the next one? >> Sure. Sure. So the next comment was uh regarding providing a waiver or requesting a waiver for 200 feet of
topography around the site. So typically we would provide a significant overlap of dei of topography if our development is disturbing near the property lines that may impact the grading or the drainage of the adjacent developments. Uh luckily for this project, we're
actually redeveloping an existing office development and we're staying, you know, quite a significant amount of distance away from the property lines. At our closest point, we're 75 ft from the nearest property line and actually gets a lot further in certain areas throughout the site. So, we don't see it
as an issue as a potential impacting the adjacent elements. We are going to be maintaining a buffer, an existing buffer that surrounds the site as well. Um, so we thought that the 200 foot overlap of topography was a little bit excessive. Um, considering we're not going
>> I guess did you bring that? Do you have >> like if they saw it they could see >> we have an an aerial map. >> Are you able to bring that up first? I think >> I assume you're not raising the grades on the site. >> No, we'd be maintaining Is this something where we could say
it were it's waved for completeness but if it's required we dis we >> always the case waving is a submission requirement. I don't know why that's not showing what I'm looking at here, which happened before. >> Hey, other than give it a minute.
>> Want to just go on to the next one? We'll circle back. >> So the next uh comment indicates that the plants show individual trees greater than 6 in in diameter identified by size not species uh within the limit of
disturbance not beyond not 30 feet beyond the limit of disturbance. And the applicant is requesting a submission waiver as to this item as well. And this is kind of similar to the prior um you know waiverss we're requesting. They're more temporary. Um, we can provide
additional trees 30 feet beyond the limit of disturbance. Uh, but again, typically we'd like to do this after the board and the professionals have a chance to review. That limited disturbance may end up changing slightly. So, we'd like to have our landscape architect uh go out to the site and identify the trees once that
limit of disturbance is has been finalized. That's number four. And number five is is very similar indicating that a list of all trees are to be removed. Um and again applicants requesting submission waiver as to this item that's very similar. Our landscape architect once
the limit of disturbance is finalized they would go out to the site identify all the trees all the species um and the applicant agrees to provide that um later on as a condition. Did want to point out that we did provide tree replacement calculations as part of our
site plan submission to the board. that would be reviewed. Um we are proposing 560 trees as part of uh this application. Are proposing quite a lot of uh trees as part uh number six was regarding uh the height of the proposed pickle ball
fence. Uh the submission did not indicate the height for the variance that is being requested. So typically a pickle ball court has an 8 foot high channel fence for this type of size court. So that's that's what we're proposing.
I think that was more of just a clarity. Um then number seven, final plans and profiles of all water manes. The applicant is requesting submission waiver as this item. Again, very similar to the profiles that were asking a waiver for previously. We can't be
provided. Again, it's typically done done closer to construction once the utility companies have a chance. Jennings, I think the last part of that was >> Yeah. So number eight is regarding the organizational documents. Obviously all those documents would be post
documents, the bylaws, the master de lot of work that will all come later on in the review. Yeah, I mean there definitely would be an association, but I think that normally >> well, it's on our checklist to hand in now, but what I'm saying is they don't
personal is customized for your project. >> Like you're asking for easements. We're not even sure. I'm saying so there's like a whole asking for but we wouldn't actually >> I just repeated what the checklist says that he's
portion of that Yes, we manage might even be helpful rather than to have the ARM document just to have a a narrative summary of it is that >> that would actually we We could certainly do that in
>> li and the easements are really just you're talking about easements uh within the property for um >> I would think the utility easements you would have identified prior to submission.
the drafting of the plans. >> Would they be on the plans? We wouldn't do the formed >> requires. >> Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Um, Mr. Quinn, do you have any issues with
>> I don't the uh this is typical stuff the utilities important ones are the the gravity funds because all the other utilities I don't take any issue of this and I did not know with interest as I looked at property that they're much staying
entirely within the limits defined by the existing The only trees and such to take down I think are ones that were planted. >> Fact they're interior trees.
>> I I don't see any any of this the request and as David point out this is just a request for completeness anything on a big application like this important than maybe we thought initially >> we could ask for. Um, can I just ask
though what is the purpose of the 30 feet beyond the limit of disturbance for the measuring of the trees? >> Because a tree, if you have a tree with an appreciable canopy, it could be 30 feet off the limit of disturbance and still have its roots up, right? Um, so
it makes sense to get usually 25 or 30 is the common one because the tree can be effective. It's rating within 25 or 30 feet. This case again It's a little unique because they're following existing tree line uh perfectly and staying within the
existing limit. So I don't anticipate any offsite. So again again if anything comes up during the hearing we decide we request it. >> My only thing is a tree that has or trees that have grown since it was last
developed. I don't >> within the within the limit. >> I don't know if they would be inside that that tree line that defined tree line. If you look at the based on the area that I looked at recently doesn't look like it looks like it was pretty
well maintained and the development if you blacked it all the way out to the end. So I I hear what you're saying le it makes sense but I don't see that being a real concern especially for completeness. >> Okay. Anybody else have any questions or
comments? >> Well, we could ask for it during the hearing at the time that we're having the hearing. start to do a review and look at the property. Go out the property and do a review things will become apparent that I this again this is my first look at
this. I just looked now because they told me that. Ah, boom. >> All the all the buffering along uh Route 202 and the sides and the rear of the property, that's all being maintained. That actually helps quite a bit.
>> That's why the 200 ft we >> quite a triangle, but it's Oh, I'm sorry. It's not technically a a triangle, but if you sort of look at where I guess that's the parking lot or whatever comes out and then you do the straight line where the building edges
are, it's everything within that. You're not touching any trees beyond those boundaries. >> Correct. Correct. >> Okay. >> Uh and Mr. Sly, did you have any other concerns? Okay. So then so right now we would be
looking for a motion to deem the application complete >> grant the waiverss. Yes. and then Okay. So then right now it would be um a vote a motion >> right?
>> Okay. Anything else that you want to >> No, you don't have to appear. >> Are you actually meeting in April? >> Oh, >> we have a regular schedule meeting, but I think we might be looking at the
special meeting which is April. >> I have it right here. Just a second. Thursday, April 16th. Um, okay. So, it would be a motion to grant the waiverss one through seven. Um eight, we would be looking for the
letter to be submitted um and then to deem the application incomplete for this evening. >> Sure. >> Okay. Motion. I'd like to make a motion to wave items one through seven and deem the application
incomplete for the time being pending the narrative submission from the applicant. >> We need a second. >> I'll second Miss Pear. >> Okay.
>> Sorry. Okay. >> Isn't on a plan. So, I guess >> we are going to want to know the height of the pickle ball fence once we get >> um but can the motion and second stand?
>> Miss Herrera Leazinski. Yes, >> Mr. >> Lindamman. >> Yes, >> Miss Pear. >> Yes, >> Miss Silver. >> Yes, >> Miss Trap. >> Yes, >> Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good night. That >> was the easy one.
Uh for the completeness and public hearing uh Kalinan Megan and Thomas block 9201 lot 5 3469 Valley Road bulk variance ZB25-033 >> I'll just point out for the record I did read the applicant's notice of uh this
hearing content was good it was timely served and published that the board has the jurisdiction Hello and welcome. >> Good evening. My name is Matthew Smith. I'm the architect representing the applicant. The applicant here
Thomas Kalan. I'm the resident at 3469 Valley Road. >> Before we get started, any more witnesses or just the two of you? >> Megan Kalinan is here as well, but call >> her up if we need her. >> Yeah. Um, let me sort you guys in as
well as our professional. or you swear it were from the testimony about >> Yes. >> terrific. You want to tell us why you're here tonight? >> So, the project at 3469 Valley Road is um we are rebuilding well
we are replacing an existing sun room with a fourseason room. The four-season room is slightly larger about 17.2 2 by9 and then we wanted to increase uh add a paper patio. Um I submitted an exhibit I
have an exhibit here to submit to enlarge it a bit for to 25 by 16. Um the reason we're submitting in an exhibit to enlarge it is because when we had originally submitted for completeness, we were um we had
discussed that over 1,000 square feet would trigger the storm water ordinance and that thousand square feet was based on the as of right 15% lot coverage. But in the me memo issued this week, it was noted that we had 17.4%
grandfather lot coverage and the overall square footage isn't that much. with the 17.4 I give us a bit more buffer to try and get patio. >> So you said you have an exhibit to submit or you're referring to one that you've already submitted issued to David
and but I have also hard copies I can >> something the board hasn't seen yet. Uh >> okay. Okay, >> you have handouts. >> Handouts. >> Yes. >> Why don't you pass them around? We'll
mark them >> going up to the 19 plan set. Is that what it is? So one will be the plan set. Day two will be the same set of plans but in
page one of the plan set >> Oh, it's just one page. Okay, I got you. >> I'm sorry. I'm just a little I even saw that. So in the submission it was asking for 19.1 but on the plans it says 18.8 and now
you're asking for 18 for 19 >> I believe 19.1 was the original um and then it was there was a correction that David had pointed out to me and then I had revised it. >> Okay. >> I don't know if the revision
>> got reflected >> but the current request is 198. Okay. >> Your plans say 18.8. >> The handout that is about to go about go around is 19.8. >> Pressing 19.8.
>> Essentially, the only change is a larger patio. The addition is exactly the same. The impervious lot coverage has gone up for a larger patio if granted. Um, and I'd also just want to point out for reference, you know, we're in an R4 zone. R4 requires a minimum 1 acre lot
coverage. We are at 25,000 back 25,819. So, we're well under the required lot coverage. If we were on a proper full acre, this wouldn't even be, you know, addressed at the zoning hearing. And then for additional context in an R
seven district which would be the most comparable for that would be minimal lot size halfacre max lot coverage allowed is 20%. That situation so not apples to apples but if we were in a comparable lot zone 19.8 would be acceptable as of right.
>> Okay. So essentially there is a patio and there was a patio when you bought the house. When did you buy the house? Uh 2007. >> 2007. There was a patio already present. >> Uh it was a deck. >> Okay. Um and then you replaced the deck
with a patio. >> Uh the I I'll I'll give you a little bit of history on on the renovation. All of the retaining walls were wood, which were rotten. Uh my wife wanted the driveway paved. So
I insisted that we also have to do the walls at the same time since they are essentially connected. Um in in um building the walls, a walkway was placed to the deck. Leftover
uh pavers. I built a little patio instead of throwing them out. So the patio really It's an extension of the walkway, but really the patio that we are asking for is will take place of where the deck
is listed. >> Um, do you have any water issues on the property now? Where does the water go when it rains? Where does the water go? >> Um, the four down spouts. Um, one of them is drained. They're all They're all drained out to the yard.
>> Okay. >> There are there are >> front yard, backyard, >> uh, front yard. >> Okay. >> Uh, they drain into underground pipes. The the the property slopes a little bit towards the front. So, they go into an underground pipe and they discharge in
the front yard. >> I do not have water issues on my property. No. 90 ft under grass. >> Property close from the rear yard towards the street. >> Yes.
>> You use deck and patio in your uh document. Are there two different um outdoor areas, a deck and a patio, or is this the same thing? >> We have the existing paper patio, proposed paper patio, and then there's a
wood stair landing from the, you know, from the addition down the patio there. >> There's no deck on this proposal. deck is slate. >> Uh the proposed patio it's paper
impervious. >> Are you asking for a variance on setbacks too or just coverage? >> Coverage. >> So you're good on the setbacks. Okay. >> Setbacks are all existing. Um the new addition is compliant with all setbacks. >> Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Um, were there any permits that were pulled uh when you originally replaced the patio the first time around? >> I thought when you moved the the the pavers that were left over, you said you moved the pavers that were left over. >> We moved that that was a recent
renovation maybe nine years ago. >> Okay. the the front walkway pavers were replaced with new pavers >> and you move the front to the back, >> right? >> I see. Okay. Um,
do you have the professionals letters in front of you? Quinn's letter. >> Why don't we go through the letters? >> Yep. I have it. Okay. So the source of the physical features represented on sheet P 100 shall be
referenced the submitted survey from 2007. Do we are we Mr. Quinn? Are you h >> No, I just didn't know where how where this information shows up on the architectural drawing since it's not the survey. Usually architects he hasn't referenced it on his drawing.
Last survey we got is Brunswick. Brunswick does. So I wonder >> as far as the existing building, as far as the existing building, it's based on the survey. >> No, but I mean patio, an existing patio. He's got
things on this plan that don't show up on the Brunswick survey. I surveyed the house and you know my own observations of where the path is and everything. >> What this guy's using as a base map
and then all of a sudden are different in the 2007 survey. Wondered if the survey was how this gentleman, the architect got different information, right? I originally I had originally
followed the survey and then uh during the completeness review it was noted that the aerials have differed. So >> I basically I based it on the aerial >> architect.
>> You are the architect, right? >> I guess >> he is the architect. >> You saw on the air, >> correct? >> Not survey. It's just >> eyeball >> survey. There's no updated land, you
know, land surveyor. No, >> what level of accuracy we're dealing with an aerial as close as you could go out and measure it or how? >> I'd requested measurements from the homeowner. >> Homeowner gave me.
>> And where did you obtain your measurements, Mr. Kellan? walking walking the property with tape measures and measure off the corners of buildings, you know, from buildings to property line.
much worry. This You're welcome to come up and be sworn in if you'd like. I am genuinely saying you're welcome to come up and and be sworn in, but in order to speak, we need to have you
sworn in. Um, so, so if our survey isn't matching our numbers and we're not certain that we have
accurate measurements, how do we know we mean survey I have. This is the one that's 2007. It's driveways been extended back the wood deck. There's a wood deck shown. This patio has been expanded walkway place.
There's things on this plan and on this right. So that's why the question is to make sure that this is not a survey. This is had a certain level of what's shown on this architect's drawing
>> customer formal how the property exists right Now >> I mean that's one way to do it or you can have them do an as amount of area. We've been doing this a lot. What you get
at the end of the day if you want to submit an as bill once you get done here this is what you have to submit or else you're coming back. But now or we make him do it at the end after he does his improvements. Right.
how a zoning officer would go back and check something, you know, like anyway, especially not existing features that are not represented, right? Go and check things that are newly constructed. But in terms of trying to figure out how
much new driveway was added on here and all of that, it's >> I I'm not I just wanted to make sure relief survey. We can't be sure
end of the day. Senior you find eyeballing was not even close. We have to thank you sir drawing T 100 is the is what you were drawing. >> You handed out T 100 now, right? But
that's not existing. That's showing the new addition drawings. Am I Am I right? >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. the existing stuff from the BSI which is the only survey document changed on this drawing
about >> right but the T100 has both the existing or what they are saying is the existing and the proposed >> right >> correct but we don't know that you're saying it doesn't necessarily match what was on the original survey >> it doesn't match what's on the survey
>> right right >> they have a they have a summary chart that accounts for impervious cover. But again, it's not based on a survey. It's based on >> right, >> weed it up and I got measurements from the homeowner and I mean, you know, it may that's that would be fine if we didn't have a variance for her cover,
>> right? >> Exactly what we had. >> Understood. So, could we ask for the survey to be submitted when they complete after after the approval that they have to submit the new survey? What you can do is you can you can give me grant him whatever lot
coverage relief tell him has to come he has to get an asill that supports whatever lot coverage he was granted >> right okay >> turns out that he has to hack some driveway up or something
>> prediction wasn't that accurate then he can make that >> could excuse me could he provide a better survey like a more exacting descript description of everything. >> I mean you can, but right I mean typically if you were developer you would have a new survey property owners
to work with this case it's hard because don't know it's a lot coverage variance and we don't know how accurate the extent of this driveway is because it's not a survey. It's just you know it's handdrawn and taped and
>> I'll tell you from personal experience at the Well, this would not just I had to do it. This is not just everything built. This would be an asbuilt of the entire lot. >> Right. Right. >> Is there things that >> Well, but we had to do an asbuilt of we had to submit a full asbuilt survey showing everything on the property and
>> what the lot coverage was and not just for the improvements, >> right? They have to do that at the end of the project. So, it's not it's not a choice. It's >> right. So, I mean, if they're comfortable with the request for the coverage, then >> So, Mr. Kalinan,
we have the T100 drawing and we have the survey. You're saying that the numbers that we see on the T100 drawing, you walked around your house with a tape measure to obtain >> an extra copy. edge of the driveway to
help you out. this this and all of this, right? >> This was a survey, we'd know exactly, you could calculate exactly how much impervious covers associated with everything on the lot. But if you just went out and you taped it and this is
your best approximation, it may be good. Couple of square feet off, it could be enough to alter the the degree of the variance. So, I'm trying to understand how this became what's shown in this drawing. Well, certainly if you're trying to overlay it, then it's not going to match
up. Um, from living there for 19 years now, um, original stone driveway had slope at the end of the driveway. So, you pull in, you stop at the back of the
driveway, and there's probably a three and a half to four foot hill. Prevents the vehicle from going forward. Um over the years you know it dirt had washed down uh grass had grown on top of it. There were existing
the driveway originally did go up further. >> Why the driveway extents are the actual extents on the best of your ability there is fine. >> Okay. >> What we're trying to do
of the impervious cover best of our ability. So I'm just questioning this accurate is this. That's the reason why it got there, but that this is exactly >> Okay. So are we talking specifically the
driveway then? >> All of it. The driveway, the walkway, all of that. Again, normally >> Yeah. I mean, it's >> right. It's clearly it's it's handdrawn. It's >> okay. But we're also over impervious coverage
because the lot is half the size. >> Get more exact measurements. It'll be to your benefit to have more exact measurements. Come back and then we're really looking rather than what you're guessing.
Not for us. >> Very well. Maybe not. I'm confident it's pretty close. >> You never know. >> No, I'm just saying like I I don't think we're I think we're still in variance world is what I'm saying.
>> I don't doubt that. But by how much is is the question. >> So they're grandfathered though for the 17 or 17.4 because of the change in the ordinance. Correct. So they're grandfathered for 17.4%. However, it's 15% in the zone. There's a
reason there's 15% in the zone. There are geographic maps, correct? Geological maps um that are in the area that dictate how water flows um underground. Correct. And and and and over our land.
So, I understand that your lot is smaller, but we still have to be within a reasonable amount. And if we're not within that reasonable number, then there should be some something that controls where the water
is going. Right? So what is our proposal for handling any overage in in water flow? Do we have anything proposed for storm water management? Uh that's where per the ordinance any
you know that kicks in after a thousand square feet of new impervious service. Well, applicants. So for example in this case it says your grandpa
calculated asking for 19.8 not over the thousand square feet but applicants to mitigate lot of small some portion of the house were struck. Yeah, because I I have to say even
looking at your photos, you have a downspout uh on the one corner of your current sunroom um that's on the opposite side from the driveway. You're going to be expanding the width of that sun room and that downspout
connects I am assuming that connects to down into the ground. So >> driveway side down spout >> that that's fine. But the problem is is that when you're expanding widthwise, that where it goes into the ground is no longer going to meet up because you're
no longer on a corner of the sun room. That's I guess what I'm sort of pointing out. That's what I'm seeing in these pictures. This I'm talking about this down spout right here. It's it's coming down and it's going into the ground. If
you're widening this part, that no longer is going to line up where you have that hole into the ground. So, how are you going to handle and that's again an idea of the water handling. How are you going to handle that? Because today you're going into the ground and going to the driveway, which is great, but how
are you going to handle that with an you you don't have >> as far as the sun room is concerned? It's a increase of 62 square feet. >> It's not just the increase of the sun room. The issue is that that downspout Speaking, >> you no longer have a place to to go into the ground. Are you going to be
>> piped around the back and return into where it is existing training now? >> To give a little context, ideally like the physical construction of this is like a 62 square foot enlargement of the
addition. The rest of the impervious area is taken up by a patio. So, as far as like the runoff from the roof, it's a minor increase that's been existing for however long that sunroof has been there. So, I mean, and he's stated that
there are no water issues on the property as of today, but I understand the concern. >> So, so here's where I I see that that we are right now. I think you're hearing um the board is a little uncomfortable
because we're not certain that we have accurate information. You're the property owner and we can take your word for it today and we could put a limit on where you're allowed to go, but that would require you to have an asbuilt survey done afterwards, which I imagine
you would have to do anyway. Um certainly we would require it if it's not a mandate now. >> Yeah. >> If it's not automatic. Right. >> I'm more concerned about the balance of the property. So, I'm concerned also
about the driveway and making sure that the numbers are accurate. So, you're talking right now just about the improvements. And I believe you. You're testifying under oath and I I certainly want to believe you and I want to help you here, but we're at a point where I
feel like we don't have all of the information that we need. Um, and I think that as the applicant, you have to decide to move forward with the information that we have, understanding that if we don't feel like we have enough information, we
could say no because of that. Um, or the board can decide whether or not you could be comfortable giving him a number not to exceed. But then if you do exceed it and we ask for an asbuild of the entire property and you come back and as
Mr. Quinn stated, "There's a large portion of the driveway that you didn't account for, you didn't measure, then that, you know, we can't just say, okay, we missed it. Let's just add it." We're over here almost 5%
across the board on the property, and there aren't any water mitigation measures that are being um suggested either. So, I understand that you're not having water issues now. um
we are over. You're asking us to consider a little bit more over on numbers that we don't actually we don't have. So I think you have to decide what you're comfortable doing. Come in here. We get an accurate survey.
the water flow during gives us some idea of how this property drains and we have none of that. Fact this 2007 survey doesn't I don't think even shows the sun >> right
>> know what size is currently >> labeled a patio it is it's patio >> okay so that this was this was a survey you had done when you >> deck is no longer there
>> deck rotted out and is top of the deck has been >> I was there today and I I don't remember seeing a deck. That's why I'm asking. All right. Well, What is it that you think you'd like to do? Could we adjourn uh following uh providing a a
new updated survey? >> That's the right thing to do. >> We may also >> No, no, we can we can definitely consider storm water management. We're in the variance process versus construction documents. So, >> right. >> Right.
>> Right. And then that was discovered at the memo when we got the memo. So, I was like it was kind of like a bonus. >> Right. >> Um, we can reschedu I think that's what most I think that's
what everybody's more comfortable with. >> Be hard to measure it right now. Oh gosh. Yeah. >> But there was some haird dryers and heater weeks. A couple of weeks. So we're going to adjourn for this evening. Um, we're
going to ask that you uh provide a survey. Um, take a look at the memos. Um, you are looking at a board that is very conscious of impervious coverage and where the water's going. So, if I
could just send you with that. Um, layman, do we need to Well, we need to get the new survey first. Um, do they have a time frame during which they have to in which they have to respond or
>> how does it work? >> It's in the applicant's best interest to provide that serviceing the weather, >> right? Understand the weather. >> Okay. >> Arch, do you guys think you get it? have to look and see where we have
>> you know have other cases. >> And how are we looking next month and then and possibly beyond March? March is not currently full. >> I don't I don't think I don't think they're going to be able
>> March or April. Mhm. Oh, they did they said we're good. We have been march. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. So then >> going to carry this application to the March 4th meeting.
>> March 4 is the >> um and obviously if there's a problem just work it out. Miss layman. >> Yeah. Get her an email ahead of time if we have to carry it. >> Yeah. I mean I was I was confident until you know Mr. Quinn reminded us about the foot of snow that is not going anywhere.
I'm a little concerned about that as well, but we'll work with you as best we can. >> Let me switch on the agenda and if nothing else car. >> Okay. Anything else before I make the announcement guys want to say
actually >> if there were any other items that we wanted to like get the board's feedback on with the memos, you know, so we can come prepared for the next one. Yes. General question you guys are viewed. >> Yeah. >> General question. The application where
do we approve you guys? >> Yeah. Fine. >> Yeah. So, um before we do uh carry it, is there anybody here from the public that wants to ask any questions or comment on this application? Uh seeing none. Uh Chris, I'll turn it
over to you. >> And then just to clarify, carrying the motion does not require renoticing. application the application of Megan and Thomas Kalan concerning property located at block uh 9201 lot 5 3 3469 Valley Road case
number ZB25 application is going to be carried to the board's March 4th 7:30 p.m. at the Warcraft meeting room here at the municipal. No further notice will be required either by publication personal service.
This uh announcement that I'm making serves as the notice of the next hearing. So you guys >> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. Okay. So, next on the agenda is um Robert and Julie Coyle.
Oh, there's just multiple. >> Welcome, Miss Coyle. >> I'll just point out for the record, Madam Chair, I did review the hearing content was good. It was timely served and published. So the board has jurisdiction to hear and decide the case. >> Um
uh Miss Coyle uh block 5203 lot 12 367 Grist Mill Drive with bulk variances ZB25-038. Um welcome Miss Coyle. Um, I am going to ask you to speak right into that microphone. >> Oh, it won't. Sorry.
>> No. Yeah, it's okay. >> Um, and I gonna swear her in. >> I'm gonna swear her in as well as the board professionals. You all just raise your right hand. >> Uh, do all three of you swear affirm the testimony about the truth, the whole truth, nothing but truth. >> Um, so Miss Coyle, you are here this
evening for a pergola edition. Uh you want to tell us a little bit about your project? >> Yeah, so we have an existing uh patio that we bought our we back up. We bought our house in 2022. Um there's um we've made no um outside
improvements. Everything is as we bought it. Um and so we were going to a small raised patio off the back and then it steps down to just like a ground level patio. So, our intention was to
take out the raised portion and make a a bigger raised portion but within the size of the current existing patio. Um, when we started the project, we were unaware that the current conditions were
done um without a permit. So, that so they do not meet the um impervious coverage standards of the board. Um, and then on top of the raised pergola there was not on top of the raised per top of the raised patio there
was going to be like a louvered uh motorized pergola that can either open um drainage in target. >> Okay. And that's attached to the attached to your house. >> Yeah, it would be the back wall would
attach to the actual house wall and then um like it's like in a little cove of our house. Um this there'd be some supporting. Yeah. Like in that corner where the chimney is. Um there would be um some uh
supports on top of the roof there holding the parka. We have some photographs in the um application package. Did you take these photographs? time are um
our contracting company like the the architect and the >> architect and engineer. And um when were they taken? >> In the fall of this year. >> And other than the snow, they still represent
>> the house as it is. So you have a couple of other photographs here. Those are uh yeah drawings of the um of the project that we would like to
how it attaches to the house where it's supported. saying that the area of coverage is not changing from the existing. >> I guess it's technically changing by 07%. Um because we our hope was to I don't know if you can see it on the project if
you're looking at the back of our house was to have just like a little it's maybe a 4x4 section of patio that kind of tucks around our house to put our grill. Um, so that would be the only real outline change from our existing
patio. >> Um, it's like a not aluminum, but some kind of metal that um it with a button it will close. >> Yep. And then it was reasonable. a pre-fabricated. >> It's like a customade structure, but
yeah, it's um like is >> what's the variance being requested with respect to setbacks? So essentially there are two pre-existing conditions when we moved in that uh one includes
there is a um shed on our property that is um supposed to according to the guidelines it's supposed to be 15 um feet back but is four four and a half feet set back from the property line as well as our driveway which um or a
portion of our driveway which is um 0.9 um so like less I think um away from the property line which is supposed to be 5T >> that driveway was original to >> when we bought it. >> Yes. >> The setback. Do we know if it's
grandfathered in or if it was just something that was done without permit, >> but it wasn't like before. Okay. Is there any um would there be any ability to move the shed?
>> Um looking for a picture of it. Is it on a stone base? um is stone and then there's um some like those big you know like the big wood beam
like the landscaping those like kind of are what build >> railroad ties and then a stone bed and then the shed. >> Yes. Because it's kind of graded. So, at the end of our driveway, the sheds maybe raised like So, there's a here. Um, so there's a
couple ra structures there because we then have steps like big stone steps that go up to the shed by then. I think it's gravel underneath, but I think maybe that's just like the reinforced perimeter of the undershed there. But I did not go to your
backyard. I think you were also there today and I could not get off the couch. I was stuck. So >> rang the doorbell. No one came so I just walked around. >> Um do you have have you seen the the professionals letters? Do you have those with you?
>> The only thing I got was the memo from um David, but I did not get any other I was not in receipt of any other memo. >> Okay. Um why don't we start by going through um David's memo. Um I am going
to give you a copy of ML's memo. >> Come up. >> You're faster. It's okay. >> Thank you. >> Let's start with um Mr. Sly's memo. You want to take us through?
>> Looking at First, >> uh why don't you give us a summary? You don't have to go over everything. Um we can read it, but uh just give us a summary for the record. >> The applicants here looking Varian is required. The shed and the driveway set
back coverage 30. Um itself is conforming other as proposed with addiction. current uh condition. applicant had a conforming
or it talks about in this casements 92 square feet for housing. Ordinance does provide letters on the existing shed and addition to the variances.
Have a seeking not have to my memo just points out the setback is just way kind of bulges towards the property. This is overwhelming majority of the
does provide the setback. Um any trees all the disturbance except for lighting outdoors. >> Um we had some proposed lighting mainly just on on the underside of the pergola. So just
>> down directed downward Isn't a a >> Yeah, it goes across our drive. The front of our driveway >> shown on your survey. >> Yes. They didn't put it in the >> not on the plan. >> Okay. >> Stuff like >> Yeah, that one that um um made sense to
me. What I wasn't sure of was what you meant by the shed label arrow. >> There's just a label hanging out in the middle of space >> on your existing plot plan sketch. >> Your
plot plane is labeled exist. Oh, it says existing frame shed. That's interesting. Yeah. >> So, other than um item number four, the waiver, I'd like to hear from Mr. Quinn before we talk about that if you don't mind. But other than that, do you agree
to everything else that Mr. Schly has outlined? >> I'll go through this and I apologize, but there's nothing on here of Earth. You know, I had the thought this afternoon. I was called me to expect something from you and I had the thought that I did not get it.
>> Thumb Julie Coyle got it because I didn't get it everywhere and I no idea what to do with it. >> Sorry for hiding the G. >> So anyway, no, I had four comments. Um the first one was just comment basically talking about cover.
Um also the second comment just notes that is um home order comment is number three have total excess of >> if you had owned the property
quite a large storm water system quiet address owner to this particular this particular owner. Tell me this though it looks like property drain basically out.
>> Yeah. So we have um three back down spouts that go towards the driveway and tie in. And then there's a French drain that is between the driveway and the patio walkway like when you first turn after the garage.
Um, and those drain um out to the street as well as the front down spouts. What I'm hearing is that all of the are at least draining out to the street and not impacting officers. So to boil this down, I thought it
seemed pretty fair to ride a rain barrel for head equivalent area when they're only going to something a little bit more simple though other than the rainarrel. >> So,
>> uh, a little more complex than the rain barrel, but not quite as simple as the rain barrel. >> Well, I mean, a rain barrel again barrel is 50 gallons. whole idea is that you just you're
pounding the water for a brief period of time and it doesn't matter if you just let that coincide with all of the runoff. So they're effective um like this much about soils. The thing about
burners too is not already now piping and I don't know what I I don't know what to suggest that would be a middle ground between providing a slow motor system cover and a rain barrel.
>> How much does the existing French drain on the property help? I don't >> I'm seeing they have that on their survey and also >> volume associated with that cross volume associated with
and the fact that they're bringing it to the front means that all of the runoff associated with the property is being directed to the tempers my concern for I think the only time our neighbors ever had an issue and it was
investigated when we uh bought the house um because we had a insurance or the previous owners had insurance claim. It was that one some one massive rainstorm. I think it was like a big thunderstorm and like a lot of the neighbor but that was been the only time that
Honestly, ours does. I feel like ours doesn't. I We used to live in Maplewood and our sump like ran non-stop. Um, but I I've actually um I've like tested it occasionally just to make sure it still runs because I never ever hear it. Um,
>> on a different tangent, what is the gravel area? >> It just has a swing set on it. I know it was frozen. Um, yeah, it's just um again those wooden >> railroad ties >> ties and um it's just loose gravel um
with this >> that counts as impervious cover. I was told that the loose gravel did not >> offer that. No, >> I would gladly >> without >> I would gladly get rid of my kids swing
stuff by the way. >> Put it together for nothing. They don't play on it anymore. >> Okay. Uh, does anybody else have any other questions for Miss Coyle? I know, but she she testified to the
base of the shed and it would be the ownorous for something that you inherited. Correct. You didn't put that there. You inherited that. Um, I don't like to put things on people when you've inherited it, but I, you know, I do look at at this as it's now your property
and, you know, what can you do to, you know, help um help with the situation now that you're there and you're here seeking a variance. Um, although slightly over uh for what's currently there. Um, I don't
see any other uh issues. I mean, I haven't opened it up to the public yet, but I don't know that I see anybody here that's here to object, but we'll we'll we'll get there. Um, >> or your driveway, but I'm looking
>> Yeah, I'm looking trying to see too the same way. >> Is 4t away. So, >> uh, did you look at anything like any of the existing pavers maybe in the front that could be um, you know, lessened? Anything in the back that could maybe be a little bit.
>> Front is hard because it's like that um wet laid slate. Um so it wouldn't be like super easy. Um the back um the one thing I would consider doing uh would be if you're I don't think there's a good
picture of it, but if you like look at the aerial view, say you're like standing at the back of our house looking out at our backyard. There's like little nook to the right and it um it's like a pathered our our
our chair table and chairs is there. I don't know if you can see that. >> Yeah, that yes. So, um, that would be kind of a measure we'd be willing to like give up to and like make it into a guart, you know, landscaping,
um, to take. I don't know how much actual square footage that is, but um, willing to give up that part of the it'd be the easiest part to like reach. >> Do you know what amount that contributes to the coverage or how big it is? You have any idea?
>> I'll find it. over here that comes out. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it'd probably be like >> 500. Yeah. And then kind of curving it. It'd be like almost like taking that and curving it
towards the pad, the new patio. square feet. If you rounded it off, you probably >> I would probably cut it like going next to the where those landscaped steps the big like I don't know that is sorry coming down. Um I would probably kind of
curve it that way. That's something that we could leave that actually um Mr. Schlay is that something that we could have her work out with you after >> area of say 80 square feet out where they want to threshold.
>> What does that what does that give us? 80 square feet. >> Knock them down to >> about a little more than what I guess. Oh, you're right. It's 20.8 19.9 80 square feet we
under 20%. knocking out the addition that you're putting on asking for >> the other variances but something >> right And some of the some of the coverage is the wall I imagine are the the
calculations for the walls as well. >> That rock wall is not included. It's a rub. >> What wall? What did you refer to? >> Okay. So it doesn't count towards the improper coverage. It's not a >> No, it's just rubble wall like this.
>> Does anybody else have any questions for Miss Coyle? >> Have you spoken to your neighbors at all about the project? Do they have any objections? >> Yeah. No, we um were very close with our next door neighbors. We actually their entire variance pro project when they did their pool. Um They've been super
helpful. But no, the and then our back have no issues. And then the other ones directly to our side. >> Thank you. >> Probably like evergreen shrubs right around the patio. Now, I thought about taking more pictures so you could see how it's very like tucked in and then
there's giant um like leather leaf um shrubs that have grown huge. >> No. And it was even hard to see where your um driveway was abuing the um the neighbor's property. Like I actually had to look real close to see.
>> Yeah. I mean, we didn't even realize when they were doing their project, we didn't even realize like it was like, "Oh, this is your tree." And I was like, I actually think it's your tree. Like, I don't care. I'll pay for it, but like, I think it's your tree because our property line is just so strange between
>> um and it is well screened. I mean, there are a lot of it's a lot of trees. So, um so does anybody else have any comments or questions? Um does anybody from the public have any questions for Miss Coyle? Uh seeing
none, anybody have any comments for this application? Seeing none. >> Um I think Mr. uh Oh, we have an Do we Did we get >> the Environmental Commission? >> No, they they didn't get a chance to look at this one actually. >> Okay. >> Um I
>> just going to ask just bring up the basic stuff that they >> Okay. >> It's really necessary. The environmental commission, they typically review a lot of our applications for whatever reason. >> Not review mine. Is that >> correct? They didn't get you. So
typically they just ask for a few conditions protect trees pretty basic. Um so with that um I would just say um we'll kick it over to the board and um if anybody has any
comments the application anybody want to kick us off actually if you could give if you could give us a summary Mr. Soasi um of the variances and the stipulations. Absolutely. >> So that we know what we're voting on. Yes. My >> pleasure.
If I understand it, the applicants are requesting uh three variances. Uh one for the sideyard setback of the existing shed, 4.5 ft proposed required uh setback for the driveway 0.9 ft proposed
5T is required lot coverage. I think we down to uh requesting 20.08. I take it. It means you're revising your proposal to 19.8 by my calculations far as conditions go. Everything in Mr.
Schllyma that we went over. Oh, of course. My bad. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think it's >> I can tell you it's um probably when when all is said and done between that cutout to where the
where the p new raised patio would end and then like following it to where the stairs start, I think it probably times the that little piece that we're when you really look at it like where the patio where raised patio ends.
Um, and that tuck in, which I would because I would want it to like aesthetically look like it. >> Did we just say 19.9 to give her a little cushion? So, we're not saying 19.88. It seems a little bit precise.
Maybe >> 19.9. You're requesting that it's got a customer >> just >> it can be less but it can't exceed. >> Yes. >> So I'm inclined to grant the application based on the information before us. I
think that you inherited some of these issues. Um you are trying to address some of the storm water with the rain barrel. I think it's beautiful, well protected from the neighbors that you have as far as your landscaping and
everything. So, I'm inclined to grant the petition. >> I agree. And I think we should take into account what's a little bit undersized, too, right? The lot. So, it's maybe a slight hardship there. hardship also that they inherited. I
>> think that's a hardship to be honest because when you buy it Yeah. >> That's a it's a self-created hardship. >> Yeah. >> Even though it wasn't >> so it's not a hardship. >> It was a predecessor interested hardship. >> Inherited hardship. >> Yes. >> But there is no substantial detriment in
granting you. >> Correct. Somebody mentioned Archer Facebook. >> You want to make the motion? >> I move to deem the application complete and direct our board to draft a resolution memorializing our decision to
grant the relief requested. Um that's to grant the setback of the shed, the sideyard setback, and the law coverage of 19.9. Oh, and and the waiver of the storm water management. >> Thank you, Miss Herrera.
>> I'll second it. >> And Miss Trap. >> Oh, sorry. >> I'm sorry. Is that pursuing to C1? >> Uh, I would say both. >> Okay. >> We have a first and a second. Miss Layman >> Carrera. >> Yes. Mr. Mr. Leazinski.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Lindamman. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear. >> Miss Silver. >> Yes. >> Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And thank you for working with us on the on the impervious coverage. It's important to us.
>> Good luck with your project. >> It wouldn't have been able to start this winter anyway since we're like frozen, >> right? So next on the agenda is Vuvio Michael and Jasine block 11,04 lot 1122
Century Court bulk variances Dvariance ZB25-021 >> and madam chair before we kick it off let us know for the record I did review the applicant's notice of this hearing the content was good it was timeless served and published to the board as the jurisdiction to hear and decide the application in my humble opinion.
>> Council for the applicant, I'll let him make his introduction. >> Want the copy? >> Not mine. >> Wait, if you want to keep it, I'll just take Miss Balance. You're good. But I will get John Sullivan. I'm an attorney with the
office representing the applicant, Michael and Jasine Vubio. Uh they are the owners of the property at 22 11 in block 114.
Uh that site is the subject tonight. The property is located in the >> property is fully improved with dwelling. Um rather extensive driveway as well as some decks and patio.
It's roughly 3.0. board previously um approved a variance back in five uh which did include a rear yard. However, pool was never built back here. Exactly the same.
Um the application is to construct a private swimming pool um along with a related pool. I'm sorry, a related ah patio, a pergola, a fireplace, and then of course
Uh we do require a D1 use variance. Uh and that is because the swimming pool that we uh we do have several bulk variances which are involved as well. Uh a couple of them have already been approved in the past. Uh the
lot frontage structure We are proposing a couple of new ones tonight. Um and that has to do with lock coverage setback for the swimming pool and the overall pool location.
But I'll let our professionals get into that. Marian's map originally dated February 7th of 2024 and last revised November 6th of 2025. That was prepared by Salvatore McLuittz
surveyor and Mr. Nasser license. Uh we also submitted the adjacing alignment in relation dated February 19th of 201 by September 23rd.
We submitted rendering of the proposed improvement uh that was prepared by the contractor Christopher Paul of Genesis contractors and we also submitted some photos. Um these are concept photos
how this will look when it's finally we did terms of witnesses. Um I have Jasine Vuvio. She's um I have Christopher Paul who is the contractor. We have who is our project engineer.
Okay. I would begin with No, any exhibits you'll be submitting today. >> Um, other than what we've already submitted, no. Um, we'll make I want to show you a more recent >> you and your husband are the owners of
this property. >> Yes. >> How long have you owned the property? >> I ask you please to um speak right into the microphone. 2017 we >> uh do you reside there? >> Yes.
>> And who do you reside there with? Uh it's myself, my husband, and we have two children ages uh 10. >> Yes. Yes. >> To construct a swimming pool, uh patio, pergola, and fireplace.
>> Yeah. Um you know, our motivation is is Uh, if I can expand just a little bit, we purchased it, built home in foreclosure. Um, and put a lot of a lot of time, a lot of patience,
and a lot of love into making it our home for our family. Um, and uh, you know, a lot of expense, as everyone knows, kind of like the money pit. You know, you start one thing and another project starts. Uh but again with a lot of love because as I always
call this our forever home. Um we are uh very ingrained into the community. We love Basking Ridge. Um as you just heard we have two young children who have been in the school systems uh kindergarten and uh and pre
uh myself I you know uh president of the PTO at Albrook School which is a school in Basking Ridge. Uh, I served on the PTO at Liberty Corner School and uh, it's a lot of work. It's a lot of love that you're putting into making your
community a better place. Um, we also have a small business right on Liberty Corner Road, uh, an employee. So, you know, our family is definitely very ingrained in the community and we we enjoy spending time here. So, we feel
that having a a pool really kind of an oasis in our backyard will give us more reason to stay there and you know just enjoy our home and our community. We have a lot of friends in the community. Um
uh you know that's very excited about it. We were very disappointed to learn that our uh that uh the promised pool variance that we purchased with the house was out of uh I guess
Um, so we've been >> I have just a couple more questions. It might sound a little strange, but at the prior um swimming pool resolutions, I saw that one of the purposes is um so um in this terms of this swimming
pool. >> Can it just be for private use of your family and and friends? >> Yes. >> Can it be open to the public? >> No. >> And you did take a um which is
backyard area is Excuse me. Mark this as um pivot A1. And what what are we looking at here? What is this? >> Yes, this is this was just taken this
evening. So, this is um our property line back here. This is a it's in a panoramic. So, it looks a little odd, but I wanted to get just kind of like an idea of the expanse um of the yard. So, uh you can see we have a walk out. Those three arches you're seeing is the walk
out um of the proposed uh and and that's where the proposed pool um would be um placed in this area. this along where you see kind of like you'll see the dog there and that line along there is where the the grading really starts to go down
uh the mountain. But as you can see, it's a it's a really large open area. There's no trees or anything we're going to have to remove. It's >> how wide open that space is. Um, that's all the questions I have for else have any questions for me?
>> Yes. >> Great question. Excellent question. So, um, for uh for a couple of reasons. I actually um I did grow up in Florida uh you know and safety, you know, you hear unfortunately
too frequently on the news about children drowning. So I have always been very cautious when it comes to pools and one of the things that I told my husband that I wanted is um like the sund decks that they have in the pools. So you have about this much water because I for one
don't always enjoy swimming in the pool, but I like to be close to the children or whoever. I'm probably even more diligent when we have other people's children over. I want that area, the sund deck for like
water without being fully immersed there. Um so that was part of it. So he said, well, why don't we make it a little bit larger? Um plus just I mean the size of the house it portionate to the size of the house. I mean it is
blessed live in a large house and I think it it's been so long since we did the plan. I don't know off the top of my head but I'm sure Paul just No, you're okay. Did anybody else have any questions for
Miss Oh, how close are your neighbors to you? >> Um, >> they're Yeah, they're pretty far. I mean, um, you have to go through the woods, you know. Um, they the I think the only
person that could see our backyard is it's a flag lot. Um uh and I I we've spoken with them. I'm actually good friends. I serve I also serve on the board of a nonprofit with our neighbor. Um and I' I served on the PTO
board with her. We're I mean we're well acquainted and discussed uh you know at length which actually we do have some construction stuff back there and you know they've been dying for us to move it. We're like we're just waiting for everything to get approved so we can get some of this stuff. They say
construction, it's like construction. Um, so they're actually eager and excited for us to make something that looks nicer back there. Not that they see a lot of it, but um, long answer to a question. >> A lot of your neighbors have pools.
>> Um, bigger lots. I don't know. I know of a few people, but I don't really uh I mean right on our street I think of the pools like within my visual distance have have or I'm sorry three of our neighbors within like seeing I think have pools. There's a couple of them
that I haven't seen their backyards. I don't know >> the ones you've seen. Would you say that the pools are generally about this size or smaller or larger? >> I actually I know they have pools. I can kind of see that they have pools but I've never seen the full pool because the lots are so big that you really
can't see. Even our yard, we when we moved in, we planted really big trees to kind of privacy for our neighbors, talk to the neighbors, and they were us and we can't see them.
>> So, you're looking to put in an Olympic size pool? >> No, I don't know what I'm I >> It is Olympic size. An Olympic pool is 50 by 25 >> and they can have up to 10 lanes >> for swimmers to compete
>> rather large. And one of the things that was discussed was you know what is the purpose of this or what will you be using it for? Any plans on using it for anything other than your own personal enjoyment? >> No. So so we moved from Martinsville um
and uh my husband had built that house I five years and we had a really big pool there. We had a diving boo and all that. Um and uh I mean we just used it. We like I said we also have a company so sometimes we'll have um you know company
picnics and we'll have families over so we we use it for business as well. And we and we always include our our um uh our employees families. Um, and we have a we have a lot of family members here. I mean, we
entertain a lot. I mean, we we when we had a pool there, we entertained every weekend. So, yes. >> Oh, I see your lot is very big. And the actually your pool is larger than an Olympic size pool. It just seems I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen I've lived in Basking Route for quite a
while, too. Excuse me. >> Take one at a time. I see. I think your husband wants to say >> we do. We We do. Sorry, >> I got I gota swear again when you come in >> roughly. >> Oh, it's not an Olympic size high school.
>> One person. >> I'm sorry. We're also we have the sun chill like honestly to me I know the kids but I'm I like you know that's that's which is a non-swiming part but you get to even in the heat you get to enjoy it I have a I have a big garden I
would like to go out in my garden you know and then come over and enjoy the pool and the hot tub I have some inflammatory issues that cause like soreness and so I'm really looking forward to have the hot tub like those are I mean yes we will use it um and
Have we enjoy spending time with our friends and family at our home? I mean, we entertain a lot. A lot. So, yes, we will. >> I don't think this is actually as big as an Olympic size pool. >> Oh, no. You were doing meters.
>> Yeah, it's really It's uh 164 by 82, which is massive and way bigger. >> And And I've actually >> I'm sorry. >> I've been at your house. You were at the house. So, I do know that property because I walked up that
driveway and um and so um and I walked around so and uh it's it's I think a small regular pool would look why you want to go large and um it kind of works with the with the
um but you know I had to clarify the Olympics. >> Thank you. I'm not good with Yeah, I'm not good with that. >> No way. And with the Olympics like is it? I don't know. >> So, but I did I did I have been on the property.
>> I mean, we walked it out. We taped it out at the time. Again, this is two years ago. We've been trying to get through this process. We thought when we submitted the first time, we thought we already had a plan. So, you know, or I'm sorry, an approval. So, we didn't think. So that's it's just taken us two years at all of these different articles that
are required. Um so it's been a long time, but when we mapped it out, I'm like it does look appropriate, you know. >> Um we do. But before we bring up Mr. Vuvio, correct? Um yeah. Um so does the board have any
other questions for Mrs. Vuvia? Then I would open it to the public. Does anybody in the public have a question? This isn't the time to state whether you're for or against. Um, this is a question for Mrs. Vuvio. Does anybody have a question as to what what Mrs.
Vuvio talked about this evening? And and keep in mind there will be professionals that are going to be speaking to the details of the plans. You might your questions might be better suited for them. this questions only for Mrs. Vuvio and
if there are, you would need to come up and state your name. Otherwise, maybe you want to hold it for the professionals. >> Okay, come on up. >> Make a dec up. >> You're going to make a Are you going to make a comment or you gonna ask a
question? >> Okay. >> This This isn't the time for comment comments, unfortunately. We're where so so this is this is a this is the time this is a hearing quasi judicial and we do have to follow
certain steps so there will be a time for you to make your comments there will be a time I promise you maybe I can just clarify by saying it is not a flat lot because it is a hill we are probably the highest point in
Basking Ridge so it is a hill um and so but the backyard where we are proposing the pool is flat. It is a flat level area. Um I believe we are going to have some grading. We're going to um the um you know a little bit um
behind the pool. Um but as far as the the if you look at the house itself, yes, it is it's walking up the driveway is a little bit work out because you have to you have to up um there's also topography on the plan. So, the professionals are going to get
into that. Um, so there will be time. Um, so does anybody else have any questions for Mrs. Vuvio as to what she testified to here this evening? Um, seeing none, and this isn't the time. Um, so, um, Mrs. Vuvio, if you are
finished with your testimony, Mr. Sullivan, you want to bring up your next witness, please? >> Thank you everyone for your time. >> Next, Paul. contractor with Genesis contractors.
Paul, you are the principal of >> Can I ask you to speak up and speak into the microphone, please? >> Too loud. >> Um, you prepared a rendering of um the also took some photos um
different pool project uh that we submitted to the we typically never built the same thing twice. provide you with a photo of something we haven't done yet and feel of a go. Um let's start with the um rendering
reference to that. You've um you've colorized that rendering. >> Yeah. >> Essentially what we submitted, but now you've colorized it. Perhaps we can mark this. So if you configure
like that bottom of the page angular area here would be your on both sides are two little fireballs. is in here. Back part of the pool where the hot tub
is is called bomb beam. So it's like 15 property is so flat eye doesn't just kind of wander into Set in some, excuse me, some limestone set in some faux turf here.
There's a fireplace along the back and then cascades water into the spa which then cascades into the pool. What are the dimensions of the pool without the sun shelf area >> by 25? So it's around 1500.
>> The pool without the sun shelf area without the sun shelf. >> 60 by 25. >> Been a while since I've thrown a scale on this, so please forgive me. It's >> um And then we have the sun shelf. And and you had mentioned before what the dimensions were
>> around 10 by 15. And then we have the hot tub. >> Yes, sir. >> I scaled it at 25 by 20 >> the sunshelf area. >> That's why when I added that 500 ft to the 1500, >> that math doesn't work then. It's over 1750.
>> Yeah. >> By 20 10 deep by 25 long >> I scaled off of the um This site drawing was um enlarged. I believe it's not to scale. >> Oh, really? I thought there was a note
that said it wasn't to scale that they enlarged it. >> The 25 scale, the 60. >> And then um so then what are we at with the um uh the hot tub? I assume that's >> I believe is 10 by eight
>> there. Correct. >> Sorry. What did you say? The sun shelf was >> sunshelf. Well, we have some discrepancies on what the sun shelf. >> That's Yeah, the fit's tough math. >> All right. >> 25 by 10.
>> And this drawing whether it says not >> and a good portion of the hot tub is overlapped into that 16 by What do we think the total surface of the water is? >> 1750. >> Okay. Well, there 1750 plus 40.
>> I thought there was a discrepancy. One of the letters called out a discrepancy potentially 2,000. >> Just corrected it. >> Got it. numbers you just gave. I came up with 1,00 >> some of the hot tubs
>> from the hot tub goes into the >> hangs over it twice. That's true. >> Paul. >> Yes, sir. What is the depth of depth of the water in the center? >> Uh about 15 inches
>> have uh in the main pool area we have >> I'm sorry >> shallow end and deep end >> shallow end and deep end and the deep end uh diving board deep five and a half ft to six depending really nice about that it makes the
trans envelope. What the bottom of the pool needs to look like. And um then with reference to the photographs that you provided to the board, can you >> kind of explain how some of those
components might if you guys were to Look at this photograph of it. Similar rectangular shaped pool. That raised bond beam that structure comes out of the actual water.
There's a hot tub dead center as well as a pergola and a fire feature behind that. About as similar as we're probably going to get. Also, if you see the one is a
little wet on the left. >> That's a a sun shelf, but it's but it's within the pool confines. It's not it's not a bump out. I can hear it on both sides. Umbrella coming up. Yep. Put an umbrella. So if we go to the next photo,
>> similar kind of thing, long pool, there's a fire feature in the back with a pergola. The only difference that pergola, which you can't see in the black and white photo, actually has water that comes out of the front header into project. The per will drip water into
the hot tub and the metal actually spub on the next photo. Well, this photo, this is just a different angle of that first photo we showed. Water features coping as well as the elevation change
the hot tub in relationship to the pool. I believe that That's all the questions I have for Mr. Paul. >> Uh, does anybody on the board have a any questions? Any additional questions for Mr. Paul? >> Um, did you talk about fencing for the
pool? >> Tell us what you're planning for that >> pool compliant. So it'll be minimal for And is that part of your design as well and your construction? Thought one thing I didn't ask you. Um
we had some discussion about um the size of this pool. able to ask that in terms of your experience backyard. Oh, we typically only do custom pools and like
funny thing is enough. We this it was a little smaller and really did was art was still going to be usable. That's how we kind of came up with this things just keep going. When you drew the pool, did you draw all
of the other patio? You painted everything. I went out and I had to rememeasure it because I thought I had made a mistake. A lot of times it's because you also have different elevations in the back section of it. So
that would create a Stop. >> Um, Mr. Sullivan, who did you say your other um professionals are? Is this the time to go through the our professionals letters or >> uh that'll be with our um project. >> Okay. Okay. I have a question. I'm not
sure this is answer. Um, obviously this is going to cover a fairly large area. What's your confidence level that you're not going to hit any major boulders or anything else like that that you may have to
blast? I have to refer to the engineers plan for that on my rendering. >> Um, are you proposing any other landscaping or is that also for the engineer >> far as >> additional trees, softscaping?
Fireplace. do a little higher just because of drafting >> on top of what's raised and how how what did you say the raised >> patio would be? So 18 then eight and then
>> half or so because we need the updraft to get the heat in the >> kitchen. Are there outdoor kitchen fireplace? >> Uh, and it's pretty densely wooded behind. I know it drops off, but are we >> very densely wooded? Are we confident
that the fire pits and and the fireplace are >> especially with the amount of open space? >> I know it all kind of filters up to the >> You also have any questions for Mr. Paul? >> Have you done pools for other homes?
size before? >> Yes, we have. >> Arch worthy. >> And one that was smaller than this one. The house is footprint of the houses. Total area just the footprint.
The pool or the house? >> Uh, it's on the engineers. We'll talk to the engineer maybe. >> I imagine that the pool would look small if you drew it out and drew out this whole plan. And there's absolutely no
other landscaping garden that she was proposing drawing. I'm not sure it would look got this huge yard and then you're just putting this in and nothing else in. So, of course, it's anything but this is going to look tiny because you just have
all this wide open space otherwise. dwelling is noted actually as 7,374 square feet. Probably that doesn't include the driveway and whatnot, but it's >> the dwelling >> the attic Oh, I don't have that on the >> It's in the original pool variance if
you read the >> where it says that in here. >> Not on the site plan. >> No, it's not somewhere in this documentation. Uh, does anybody else have any questions for Mr. Paul?
Does anybody else from the public have questions? It's time for questions for Mr. Paul. >> Could Can I ask you to come on up >> there? Hang on. Come on up. Come on up to the microphone if you would. And you could you give us your name?
>> I live at 1317 Washington Valley Road. Yes. Bridgewood. A U R I E M A Alfonso. question is how big when you dig out the dirt,
>> how deep do you have to go? >> Are are you doing anything to the land on the other side of the pool to brace up? Know there's you know there's a natural slope there, right? where the pool's going to be sitting is 3 to four feet above the natural surface
of that hilltop. How do I know that there's a >> this was not done I don't believe by this present um >> so so this at at this stage we are just asking questions so your question about
how deep you would have to go that's relevant your question about um shoring up the um the the the slope is relevant But it might be more um it might be a better question for the engineer rather than Mr. Paul.
>> Very good. >> Do you have any other questions with regard to the design of the pool or the construction of the pool itself? >> How about the displacement of the rainwater from 7750 square feet of surface
rains for a whole year? We get approximately 4 feet of water. How much water is going to place by the pool? most town coordinates as the war. More often than not, we have pools in this area.
Well, doesn't answer my question. I want to know how much water is going to come off that surface. Actually, have uh brains, right? friends. If on some event we had a cate All going to be designed to in wells. Where's the water go?
Runoff is in a direction of the back of the property. Water is going to go there. High wells are only going to accept a certain amount of water. >> Not happy with that answer, but >> there will be a time where you can
comment on your opinions about the application. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Does anybody else have any questions for Mr. Paul? right below his >> Would you mind? Yeah.
>> Bolan Bard Bolan. I live on 1319 Washington Valley Road in Bor. First name is Fal W A L T R A U Dan B O L A N
Washington Valley Road. >> 19 Washington Valley Road. >> That's it. Okay, here's the question. First of all, you already having a problem with water because somebody put a pipe and all that
water comes down the hill. It's like a river when it rains on my driveway. >> Miss Bin, this is this is the time for questions. And >> I'm saying if you're gonna have this big pool,
where is all that water going to go? The water that falls in the pool is going to which we're adding to it later. All that we're adding to it later, we're responsible. bigger problem is we they typically don't spring leaks, but
>> Miss Miss Bolan Okay. >> Questions on what he testified. >> But you know, right now I do have the problem already. Somebody put in a pipe and the water is already coming down. >> That later. Now is not the time.
Anyway, I would like to ask if you're going to approve this. So, the current and the future owners of the property cannot seek additional variances for further encroachment
into the rear backyard. Does that make any sense to you? >> Anybody can file an application for variance today. And then also um didn't make a decision yet. So but if if you do I really concern about the water
because we already having a problem. >> Okay. >> Question and comment period. This is essentially like a case. There's another question. Have an engineer coming up in a second. >> Okay. The question is, uh,
will the pool area for paid and sponsored events in violation of the zoning audience? >> Or what was the question? Will this uh sponsor will this uh pool area
page and sponsor the events in violation of a learning audience? >> Leave that question. >> I can't answer that question. >> We'll leave the homework testimony, but I believe she stated
Then I guess I'm done. Thank you. >> Uh does anybody else have any questions >> for this witness? Um seeing none. Um, >> um, >> how long do you think you're going to
take plan to give you to 10:30 I think. Well, I don't want to speak. >> My issue with that is if you start somebody might have to stop their testimony. So, you might want it for it to be a little bit more consistent. Maybe we
want to stop now and then bring your your two witnesses and they can um they can give their testimony at one time. Um it's it's a lot easier even for us and I think for the public when a when a
witness when a um professional comes and gives their testimony all at one time. So, I'd rather I I would personally think it would be better to maybe stop here where there's a natural break and then continue on at the next because I
we're going to go beyond. We're going to we're going to have another hearing anyway, but I'm not eloquently saying >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Can I just ask one question for this gentleman before we go? >> Absolutely. Um they talk about
backwashing of filters. Now there's a number of ways that can be done. One where all the dirty water is expelled from the uh filter and the other where the filters are uh you know either cleaned or changed out every time. Are you going to be using back backashing
where the water comes out of the pool? >> No. So the new technology now we're using cartridge filters. Yes. >> So the backashing is done with TE. So dietimmacous earth is flushed from the filter. All the water's done till the the lens is clear and then you put it in. So these are paper cartridges. Yes.
>> Um especially on this property with no tree litter and it's full sun. They should stay pretty clean. At that point we dismantle the filters. We clean and power wash the cartridges or replace them. We put them back so there's no water that's going to get discharged.
what type of um >> we're going to use what's called a saline generator. So, it's salt water. So, it's um the water will get sucked from the pool. It'll go through the pump. It'll hit the filter, go through the heater, and after it'll
hit a little device. >> It's so it's saltwater based, but not like the ocean. The ocean >> I understand that, but are there >> not added? No, not so it's it's generated sort of but not really. If
there's if if there's something wrong with the pool like there's an algae bill, you know, of course the service person will come in, they'll add the chemicals they need to >> but chlorine is not added on a weekly basis. >> Every 3 weeks
products to bring the pH down as Not nearly, especially as a pool service guideline. >> Can I also ask another question >> back there? Um, if you have a situation with the pool where you have to empty it
to be able to do a repair of any sorts, how where what do you do with that water? How do you empty the water? How do you take the water and where do you put it? Typically what we do in the off chance we have to do a repair which is decade but we'll go there we'll bring in
totes actual containers expensive like a lot of these times we'll bring in $500 a load at don't want to get rid of the water the water's usually balanced there. And then when the repair is done, is this pool?
>> Not as much as you would think cuz there's of water. The spa's only a bit of water in the shower. Allenage usually gets really >> and how far from sorry but how far from
where the land goes down is the last I'll say somewhat significant dig part that you're going to go what say in excess of 20 I think it's more people are concerned about >> Oh, no. We're >> collapsing the other way. >> No, we're really far from that. And
there's heavy equipment over on that >> air border property line. The pool has to be off the property line for the pool structure. >> So like if we look at the the di >> look at the diagram up.
>> So that that red line the triangle. >> Oh, we're way inside of that red line. >> They're way inside. So then brass that's on the other side of that red line. Is that still there? >> No, we're not allowed to touch that. We can >> cannot touch that. Every all the work's got to be from the
red line in. >> And so from that red line, how far in is >> I believe it's 20 ft. >> 20 feet. >> See the little like triangle thing that's coming down from the middle of the house? That wall makes like an L.
That's about where the 20 foot line is, I believe. >> Are there wetlands on this property? >> I can't answer that. Typically what we do in that we would we would like like you would use in your basement. Oh,
>> but where is that water? >> We trick it. We don't dump it at like thousand gallons a minute. We trick It needs adding water. We go far as runoff and stuff. Um,
bachelor's degree in civil engineering. have any other questions for this witness? So, um, with the additional testimony, um, there is an opportunity for the public to ask questions with regards to what you just heard for the additional
testimony. And again, it's questions. Um, does anybody have any additional questions at this time? Okay, seeing none, um, we do have one Uh yeah. Um
Jamie, >> Miss Vuvio, >> you either need to come up or we we'll do we can do this in the next um so come on up. Come on up. come join us again. You want to come to
the microphone so everybody can hear you. So, we already have um on the water tower side of the house, I already have a really large garden over there. So, that's when I was referring to the garden, I wasn't talking about putting
in a garden. Um, and then the wall where the It's hard to see here where the the steps going down to that large flat area where the pool's going to be along there. We have um I have it all planted and I've got like lavender and things. So, um, as far as that goes, we wanted
kind of more simple, you know, but u pretty. I'm sure we'll put in some flowers and things like that, but very simple. But I do have a big garden on the other side that's already in the house. So, >> would you have a problem if like we came to We wouldn't all be coming at one time, but if we were to come and
actually walk the back of the property. >> Absolutely. >> Would you want to know ahead of time or >> I mean just a schedule? Yeah. I mean, I've got, you know, we have two little kids and we're both working. So, but >> we work that out through Miss Layman if we if somebody wanted to come and actually walk the backyard. Would that be okay? >> Sure. Yeah. When
>> Oh, it's I I was out there. It was so It was treacherous getting those pictures tonight. So, it was there's a lot of stuff. >> I got a husband with a broken leg from ice. So, I'm not willing to do that right now. >> Yeah. My foot actually got stuck in the ice and snow and I was like, "Oh my gosh." I'm like, "Thank good to my phone." I thought I had to call my
husband. But yeah, it's when when the snow melts. Absolutely. Whoever wants to come see the property and kind of get a visual on uh what we have and what we'd like to do and anyone is more than welcome. >> I was there. I just didn't walk to
>> I I looked I was like, I don't know if I'm doing this today. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um >> it's a lot. >> Okay. So then I think Do I have to >> unfortunately? >> Um does anybody have any additional questions for Miss Vuvio
based on what she just stated? Um, so that everybody is is understanding and comfortable, there will be a time at the end of all of the testimony where you will have the time to say whatever it is that you'd
like. You can state any um opinions, fears. Um, we have a question time period where you can question what you've just heard and then at the end you can state your concerns and feelings. So there will absolutely be time. We want it. We want to hear what
you have to say. Okay. So thank you, Miss Vuvio. >> Thank you. >> Uh Mr. Sullivan, is there anything else um before we wrap up for this evening? >> Um no, I don't think there's much else we can >> Okay. So then we're gonna carry this. Um,
>> Miss Leman, when where? >> Um, so March. >> You guys want to come back in March or >> You want to come back in March or April? >> March 4th or April. Uh, >> first Wednesdays. >> Okay, sounds good. So, two people coming
back on March 4th and I better system. >> Great. So, >> so March 4th, let me I'll make the formal now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So the application of Michael and Jasine Vubio concerning property lo located at block 11004
lot 11 better known as 22 Century Court Basking Ridge under application number ZB25-011 carried to the board's March 4th 7:30 p.m. here in the Warrencraft meeting room at the municipal
that's uh Yep. That's this announcement serves as your notice that the application is going to be carried. No further notice will be provided by mail or in the newspaper. So this is your notice March 4th. That's when you want to come back. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Sorry we couldn't get to it all, but um thank you for your testimony. We'll look forward to seeing you on the fourth. I guess I'll hold on. >> Alan um all right, just before we before we um
wrap up here, >> um >> ladies and gentlemen, we still have uh to close the meeting out, so if you could take your conversations out the hall, we'd appreciate it. Thank you. Uh, do we have any comments from members? And we all understand that on the fourth
we have Kalan and Vizuvio coming back. >> I I just wanted to remind I am not going to be here on the fourth. >> Okay. >> Already put in for >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Trap. >> Make sure Carl watches the tape. >> Um, welcome to Miss Deandria and um
again, well done. >> Yeah, Mr. So, and um I think that's it. >> Comments from staff. Did you guys have anything you wanted to add? >> Real quick, the uh landscaping committee.
You want to add anything? Was out to the Pingry School project. They did their World Cup soccer fields and pavilion. >> Nothing. know that we completed the site visit. We looked at >> Sorry. >> I'm sorry, Miss Silver. I can't hear
you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Hi. Sorry. I was just saying that um we completed our site visit at Pingry. Um and um we looked at the the whole site and property and um were satisfied with
the the landscaping and the conditions that it was not going to be disruptive to neighbors and things like that. There there was a question about whether they were going to make contribution to the tree fund. >> Okay. So then your your department or the engineering department will follow
up >> counting trees and making sure the numbers all work. But they're uh kind of the contribution. Um thank you for all of that. Um anything else that anybody wanted to add? Any
more conversation about rain barrels? Um Slayman, >> can you bring an example in next? >> Miss Slayman, I think we need to we need to cancel next week's meeting, the special meeting. >> So, we're going to cancel next week's special meeting.
Um, and what's the date? What's next Thursday? >> Um, February 12th. >> Uh, so no meeting February 12th. Um, and do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to second. >> Thank you, Mr. M. Andra.
All right. >> Really? >> Oh, the second I can show you