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Part 1 (Video ID: sQCqpPFjbrU):
- 00:03:33: Meeting Call to Order, Flag Salute, and Opening Remarks
- 00:06:30: Approval of Resolutions and Meeting Minutes Amended
- 00:08:48: Brady Variance Extension Request Granted Quickly
- 00:11:31: Completeness Hearing Carried, Kramer Variance Begins
- 00:14:41: Kramer Applicants Present Patio Project, Board Questions Begin
- 01:14:22: Public Comment on Kramer Variance, Approval Motion
- 01:20:06: Motion Passes for Kramer Variance with Conditions
- 01:20:53: Short Break Due to Technology Issues
- 01:24:33: Bonan Bradley Variance: New Project Introduction
- 01:30:41: Bradley Presents Porch Conversion, Coverage Questions Arise
- 01:43:43: Repairarian Zone Concerns, Project Timing Discussed
- 01:56:10: Professionals' Memos Reviewed, Bradley Agrees to Conditions
- 02:15:07: Bradley Variance Granted with Stipulations
- 02:19:12: Vuvio Application Carried to June 11th Meeting
- 02:23:26: Scholinsky Variance: Introduction to New Pool Project
- 02:30:32: Catch Basins and Existing Drainage Discussion
- 02:40:43: Four Foot Requirement and Impervious Coverage Concerns
- 02:50:42: Board Discusses Water Management Options
- 02:56:22: Water and Stormwater Concerns and Solutions Explored
- 03:07:54: Amendment, Summation, and Vote for Scholinsky Variance


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Hi, good evening. We're going to call to order the uh the regular meeting of the Township of Bernard Zoning Zoning Board of Adjustments. Um the first order on the agenda is the flag salute. Would you please stand? for which it stands.

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In accordance with the requirements of the Oakland public meetings law, notice of this meeting of the board of adjustment for the township of Bernards was posted on posted on the bulletin board in the reception hall of the municipal building, Kurene, Basking Ridge, New Jersey. Was mailed to the

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Bernardsville News, Whippony, New Jersey, the Courier News, Bridgewater, New Jersey, and was filed with the township clerk. all on January 8th, 2026 and was mailed electronically to all those people who have requested individual notice. The following

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procedure has been adopted by the Bernard's Township Zoning Board of Adjustment. There will be no new cases heard after 10 p.m. and no new testimony heard after 10:30 p.m. >> Layman should do roll call, please. >> Chairwoman Bowman,

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>> here. >> Miss Dondrea, >> here. >> Mr. Krauss, >> here. Miss Pear >> here. >> Miss Silver >> here. >> Miss Trap >> here. >> Mr. Soi >> here. >> Mr. Quinn >> here. >> Mr. Schly >> here. >> And for the record, Miss Layman is

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present. Madam Chair, you have a quorum and may proceed. >> Thank you, Miss Layman. Um, may I have a motion to excuse the absences of Miss Herrera, Mr. Lazinski, and Mr. Lindamman, all who gave us notice prior to the hearing?

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>> I'll make a motion to excuse that. >> Thank you, Miss Pocket. and I'll second. Thank you, Miss Trap. >> Dandrea, >> yes. >> Mr. Krauss, >> yes. >> Miss Pakar, >> yes. >> Miss Silver, >> yes. >> Miss Trap, >> yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman, >> yes.

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>> Thank you. >> Um, I wanted just to make a quick note. We usually do this at the end of the meeting, but just wanted to now that we have everybody here and everybody's full attention, uh we are going to be cancelling the June 3 meeting. Um so our

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next meeting is going to be May 14th 11th, correct? And uh the June 3 meeting is canceled and there will be another meeting June 11th. If I looked at my paperwork, I would

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know. Um, okay. So, next on the agenda is the approval of the minutes. We have the April 8th, 2026 regular session. Does anybody have any comments or edits? >> Motion to approve as drafted. >> Motion to approve as drafted. Miss Silver. >> Second,

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>> Mr. Krauss. >> Miss Dandrea. >> Yes. >> Mr. Krauss. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear. >> Yes. >> Miss Silver. >> Yes. >> Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Uh we have the April 16th,

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2026 uh special meeting that is on the agenda for the evening, but we are going to um we're going to move that to the next hearing. Um do we have to that? So okay. So duly noted. Um

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approval of resolutions. We have Church Street Properties Limited, block 9301, lot 2030, Church Street, ZB25-032. It was an approval. Uh any comments, Chris?

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>> Yes, Madam Chair. We had a few uh corrections just noticed uh before we started the meeting here. Uh page nine, all these are very minor like typos slashspacing issues. The nine paragraph

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24 to fix line down. There's just a too much of a space between the words the and township. Just going to clean that up. Make sure it's paragraph 30. First line board finds that there should be a the between that and proposed on

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15 under item uh Roman numeral 9 at the top. There's an additional space that just needs to get cut out. Finally, I think this is the last one page uh item number 4D at the bottom. The

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first line is on that page and it continues on the second page. So, we would just that down to page 19. That way, it's >> just the spacing. >> Just the spacing. Yeah, exactly. >> That was it. Relatively relatively minor comments. Does anybody have any other

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comments? Otherwise, in approval as amended. >> Thank you, Miss Pocktar. I'll second. >> Trap. >> Mr. Krauss. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear. >> Yes. >> Miss Silver. >> Yes. >> Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes.

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>> Thank you. >> All right. Next on the agenda, a modification of condition. Um Brady, Ryan, and Kristen asking for an extension of time to begin your project. It's block 5001, lot 34, 30, North Stone

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Hedge Hedge Drive, ZB24-015A. You want to come on up? >> You folks could just introduce yourselves, first and last names, please. >> Ryan Brady. >> Kristen Brady. Hi, welcome back. Good to be back. Yes, we would like to

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request an extension of the previous uh variance approval. Uh we've changed pool contractors and we give it another go um with adhering to all the previously approved terms. >> Anything else that you need to hear from us? >> Um no. I believe we had a we had a memo

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from Mr. Schlly uh stating that there's been no new zoning changes, no ordinance or legal changes. Correct. Um, so nothing that would affect or impact uh the approval.

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>> Does anybody else have any >> You can meet the new date of February 5th. >> Yes. The um the plan is to finish it hopefully by the end of the summer, but probably more likely after we can swim in it this year, but next year definitely be done by February.

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>> You don't have to be done by February. You just have to get started. >> Okay. Sorry. Yeah, we're starting in February. >> So you get started by February. Start digging the hole. >> I think 2026 you'd be getting started >> 27 >> 2027

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>> right? >> Yes. Yeah, we'll definitely be done by then. >> Started by then. >> Um relatively simple. Does anybody have any comments? Do you have any? >> Just quickly, Madam Chair, I did put

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together a resolution. Um I drafted it as if they were going to request the full one year which is I guess okay with so um the resolution is good to go too. So the extension and adopt the resolution as draft. >> Okay

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last time but >> no I I don't think that there's any issue have any thoughts comments. Do we have a motion to grant the extension and approve the resolution? resolution. Thank you, Miss Pear. In a second.

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>> A second. >> Mr. Krauss. >> Dandrea. >> Yes. >> Mr. Krauss. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear. >> Yes. >> Miss Silver. >> Yes. >> Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Thank you so much.

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>> Thank you so much. >> We have the completeness and public hearing um for Andrew and Kimberly Haley. that was on the agenda for the evening that is going to be carried to June 11th. Uh no further notice is required and

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they are block 4002 lot 35 Dawn Drive bulk variants ZB26-00004. Was anybody here for that case? No. Seeing none. Um next on our list is Andrea and Jonathan Kramer. Uh if you

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want to come on up. This is block 6303 lot 141 Deer Creek Drive with 12 variances ZB25-039. I am going to recuse myself. Um and yeah, sure. You're >> up to >> up to you.

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>> Got everything here. >> Uh you'll be in good hands with with every >> Let's hope so because I've never done this before. >> I am going to do my best to remember what to do. I've never heard anybody use it. Maybe I do. I don't know.

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>> I'll smack you moment. >> Okay. So, um I guess do you want to tell us a little bit about your project? >> One thing at a time. >> Oh, I'm sorry, >> Madam Chair. Swear everybody in. >> Just note, uh Miss Bowman did step out of the room, so she's not here. Um before I swear anybody Well, let me

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swear everybody in first. I'll do the notice statement. All everybody's testifying. You guys got all your experts. Would you all please raise your right hands for me? Do all five of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So, I'll be got. Thank you very much. And I'll just note for the record, Madam Chair, I had an

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opportunity to review the applicant's notice, I do find it to be uh sufficient as to its content, timeliness of service, was sent by certified mail to owners of property within 200 feet of the subject property on March 19th, 2026, and published in the Burnsville News on April 16th. Court has the jurisdiction to hear and

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decide the case in my humble legal opinion. Um, with that, why don't you guys introduce yourselves, give us your names, addresses, or business addresses, and then we'll go. Okay. >> I'm Andrea Kramer. This is my husband, John Kramer. >> Baska architect.

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>> Um, so my husband and I are the owners of One Deer Creek Drive here in Basking Ridge. We moved to the community eight years ago, and we quickly put down our roots, starting a family right away. Our children are four and seven years old. Um, this town to us has been truly a

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home. Um, we value the sense of the community, the friendships that we've made, um, and that we've built and the opportunity it gives our children to grow up in a welcoming and connected neighborhood. Um, spending time outdoors together as a family is very important to us. Currently, we have a small wooden

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deck um, off the back of our home. It's quite limited in size and and function. It only comfortably accommodates our immediate family and um at most one other family, making it difficult to gather, share meals, and fully enjoy our

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outdoor space. We are respectfully uh requesting a variance to remove the existing deck and install a patio at the rear of our home. This improvement would create a more usable and inclusive space where we can host family and friends and share meals and spend meaningful time

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together. The addition of a pergola would provide shade and sun protection, making the space safer and more comfortable for our children. Our kids just live to be outside and uh we want to be able to do that more. Um in addition to improving functionality, we believe this patio and pergola wouldn't

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just overall um enhance the appearance of our home. Um and we just appreciate your time um and consideration. Board member questions. >> Anybody from the board like to ask a question? >> What is the size of the patio?

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>> I'm sorry. Could you What was your name one more time? >> Vasa. T I I N A Vasa V is in Victor. What firm are you with? >> Architect in. I just want to I was going to wait till you gave your direct testimony, but uh licensed architect state of New

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Jersey license is current and good standing. Have you testified before any land sports in the past? Welcome. U Madam Chair, she's accepted as an expert in the field of architecture. Oh, she's accepted. Yes. Sorry. >> Forgetting, Madam Chair. Sorry,

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>> Madam Vice Chair. >> What was your business? >> 33 Northshore Road. Three words. Benville 783. this um when you you moved in the house six years ago, you said >> eight years. >> Eight years ago. Did you make any

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changes since then that would affect any of this overage? Did you change anything or is it existing as you bought it completely? >> That shed you didn't put that in. It was there. Everything is existing. >> Okay. And did and you weren't aware that you were actually at the 18% at all

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until you started this project or >> Correct. And we actually didn't even know that. Oh, yeah. I don't think any most people don't because until you have to do a project, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, um, is is the lot coverage the only

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barrier? >> Have you spoken to any of your neighbors about the project? >> Yes. >> Yeah. As a matter of fact, our neighbor, if you're looking at our house, testified That's okay. That's not required. Um, have you heard any neighbors have

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any objections to your to your project? >> No, not at all. As a matter of >> fact, I haven't spoken to every neighbor is going to be direct outside of our yard. And our yard is I I don't see any grading plan for this site. How like do you have water issues

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or how does the site slope? Um >> slopes away from our house >> putting the patio. You're talking about me What is the direction of the slope on the property though? Concern is always water drainage and

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>> mitigation on a property when you're over on lock coverage. >> Sure. So it goes from our house to there like a culvert or something behind those houses back there. Okay. >> It's called Fawn Hill. >> Yeah. >> And >> like I said, the water already goes

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there and there's no houses built there. There's never going to be a house >> sloping back towards us back away from us. So, >> are there any wetlands behind the property? Is it nothing? Do I don't There's an area

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lack of a better term, wast >> and just introduce the number. And that's where that driveway bought the house with the driveway the way it was. and um you know feel more safe keeping the driveway and having them

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on our property and you know way the Deer Creek runs especially with um like Stonehouse can be busy and so can us and if there's ever um like road work they go through our neighborhood quite a bit. So, we just love the fact that when we

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bought the home that we had the circle driveway for the kids. So you're saying you you reduce the size of the patio. Is that reflected on on on this plants? I'll get started on have a lot that's under size. It needs

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to be an acre lot for an R4 zone and we're about 2,000 square feet less. Um, so that right there just gives us hardship in the fact that is a slightly hard um smaller lot. So what we have is% coverage that is the

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way that's over 4,000 square feet. Currently, the total cover adding about 500 square feet to that. So, it is way that is is putting us over. Um, we are concerned about the drainage as back with a pergola covered pergola for

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the shade and for the protection. Um, as noted full grown trees, lot there's a few straggled trees. We're not taking any trees down, but Ann has noted and you know by the neighbors 20 ft away

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but um understood that currently oh we are introducing 9 however we're taking our numbers But nothing else. Already two curb cuts. And that's too close to the rear at 10.

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This this is what's >> it was yes sorry this is the first insert I'll go through the three the four just to get a sense That's just to see get a visual of the um two home their backyard faces towards

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visibility such a possibility but we have all that vegetation so that is not a concern renderings of proposed conditions. So starting on the far left here that pergola there's in the way or can you close the

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computer? That's better. Thank you. Thank you. That's That's an open deck and it isn't counted towards impervious right now. Correct. >> Oh, there there's that. You're right. >> I'm You can't hear her, right? Or me.

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>> Speak up into the microphone, >> please. Nobody can hear you. >> All right. So, um, what we're proposing is is a 10-story pergola just so it reaches above the windows and it's just a posted beam structure. This is not something um

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it's not an addition. It's not a covered porch or even a screened in porch. We would obviously be very amendable to saying that this would never be enclosed. Moving over from there, this is the rear of the yard. Here we see all that vegetation that um John and Andrea mentioned. And looking to Nine Deer

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Creek, lots of evergreens there, so no visibility to the neighbors. And then looking to the other side here, we're looking at 44 um Feeasant Run. And we can again see the vegetation there. There's a little gap and you can see the

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house and that's where John started taking out the vegetation because he's cleaning up the underbrush and that will be reveated with new landscaping. And then finally, we just want to see what it looks like from the sides there. So here we have a clear view of the U

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evergreens here. Just the per pergola with a a privacy screen primarily for the TV. And on the other side looking from the garage side, we just see the pergola post and beam structure. I realize again that the concern here is the the patio area, but we just want to

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let you know that we were we were um trying to be respectful of the the neighbors as well as we were doing this. Uh >> the pergola, can you turn it so it's closed on top or is it just a fixed open pergola? >> These are adjustable. >> So you can make it a flat roof.

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>> Yeah, but it's not totally totally waterproof. But >> well, no, I'm just you can make it a flat roof and basically when it rains >> and it'll depend on the angle of the sun, right? When it's overhead, it'll be flat. If it's slightly angled, you know, you can adjust it. >> You can adjust it yourself. So, you could have it flat all the time if you wanted to.

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>> I suppose, >> but then that would they would deteriorate over time if you're >> just asking a question. I don't >> I mean, it would be concrete anyway. So, >> no. I'm just asking how it works. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that's not really adding to the >> I'm not I guess I'm just I'm just trying

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>> my question was just asking how it works. And >> I hadn't thought of that. But yeah, the recommendation from the manufacturer is that you leave them open when they're not in use. But um yeah. >> So then how does it drain if it is flat or there are there gutters? >> So the the pearl itself has gutters.

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Yes. >> Does that drain too >> along the beams there? And those will be coming down and they can be led away as recommended. Otherwise, they would go underground and drained to the closest drainage. >> There's gutters coming down on the pergola and we can direct that as

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recommended um to provide the most mitigation for drainage. >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> Um so I think it was on the other side. >> Yes. >> Uh so the the is it called Fawn Hill is in that bottom right corner I believe.

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The No, no, no. Of the Go to the right. Okay. Okay. So, Fawn Hill, is that the the green area? No, no, no. On the on the map to the right. >> Little map in the corner. >> On the map on the corner. Go right. >> On the map. On the Google map.

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>> So, the green area is Fawn Hill, correct? >> Okay. So, it's not just one house draining into Fawn Hill. It's multiple homes. >> That's the situation. That's the communal drainage area. >> So, all those homes are draining there.

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>> Okay. Just want to confirm. >> I'm not a aware of the zoning on that particular, >> you know, Mr. Slide, >> it's open space. >> Okay. So, it won't ever be developed. >> Okay. >> But is it considered sort of wetlands

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aspect? >> It considered a wetlands kind of >> aspect. From an elevation perspective, do either where your house is versus are you any higher? Are you either side?

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>> Lower. does drain >> section of our property is directly >> okay goes up a hill >> every house is slightly >> we're the first house so all the houses

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>> you ever have any issues with water in your basement or do any of your neighbors Or even in their backyards, do their backyards get soggy or your backyard gets soggy pictures. Just a quick question. The um

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playground area that's making sure it's not in >> I'll just um look >> more tell us please do >> and there just the street views not impacting the rear yard at all there's no visibility

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the pergola will be right in the back the patio's in the back for the inserts. That's just a street view so you have a visual of what that community looks like and all the homes are facing back and again so helps that we're not adding more

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impervious coverage. Again, I have to ask everything you're showing us tonight. The board's already been >> Yes, these are these are the drawings that you have architectural drawings and these are the inserts. >> We don't need to make any existence.

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>> Question about something you said previously. You said the pergola was going to be 10 stories tall. You meant 10 ft tall. Hey, did I see >> 10 stories? >> Thank you. >> Really above the window. >> No, I always want to say how tall it's going to be because so you know, I

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figured that's what you meant, but I figured question. >> Um, survey here real quick just arrow. So, we do have some of that shade for the backyard area. And then very quickly, sheet A1 just delineates on the back of the

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house. Here we have the pergola. It's about 16 by 20. And patio just wraps around the existing house. We take out the deck. We have a um elevated patio from which you step right down to great level there

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for the drawing. homeowners were very excited about this project. They realized they needed to scale back. Good job. Um we feel like we've been respectful the neighbors and fortunately you had a chance to talk to the neighbors and had we've been respectful in that regard. Um

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but nevertheless we're here to hopefully respectful with the zoning ordinances and the intent. So um lot 15% is allowable maximum impervious coverage. The existing is 18

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by way that's more than 50% of the impervious coverage but in the back to finish off the home. So they outdoor activity out on the grass and then sit them all up. So the connectivity that's already

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happening and a patio would just be um gracious element to to add to this property. So that being said, it's a bit of a undersized slot and we have this driveway that we're reluctant to remove possibility that was something I

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mentioned immediately. Fact that is a bit of a busy not having to back in and out of the driveway and allows the four and seveny old backyard area, the play area, certainly the playground, but this

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>> does the house have a threec car garage or twocar garage? Three car. Can you tell me what these shed is used for? >> I defer to the homeowner. >> I'm sorry. What? each of the SS. >> What's in the shed or what it's used for?

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>> Oh, the shed. >> Did you consider removing the shed and just storing stuff in the garage so you could remove the impervious coverage of the shed? I'm just curious like it's an option if you don't want to remove anything else that's already existing. That's a no.

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>> Yeah, the shed. You're proposing to keep that in its current location. Sorry. Rear yard setback variance coverage question. Are any lighting features? >> Oh, that I was trying to be cognizant of the environmental commission, the

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engineers planning notes. Um, those will be directed down. Um, still waiting for the one where there's a noise ordinance. All the outdoor TVs are cropping up, but I haven't heard of one. So, but yeah,

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lights are always drifted down. >> The pergola the same size as >> Oh, no. The pergola >> or bigger? >> Oh, it's entirely over the patio space. >> Oh, pergola is entirely over. >> Okay. All right. So, you're not you're

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not adding lot coverage with that? >> No, that's all inclusive. Yeah, the patio area with >> I was having a hard time >> because the drawings are two different scales. I was having a hard time seeing it. >> Well, actually, let me just ask because you have the pergola coming out from the

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house, but yet there's additional patio. >> Yes. >> Beyond pergola. And I certainly appreciate how you had your renderings and you had nice area

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there and I don't know how much because it's hard to tell from this there is seems to be on that it's hard to better to point that. So this section right here

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is that something that could be sacrificed, >> right? And I I appreciate that. But I guess what I'm asking is about maybe this just this section here have this longer

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access to it. It still gives you access to all your entertainment areas that you've depicted in pictures because that's sort of now how much would that give you back from an inter in a coverage and is it an

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opportunity to put that vegetation or something else like that because it doesn't look like it's lining up with a door coming in and out of and it's something that it may back here. >> Hard to see on picture

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sideways. You can go straight talking about 300 square feet whereby we're only asking for 558 total. So then we would be asking >> then you're only about 100. So you're not asking for 558 because you're deducting the deck and the deck right now is not

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>> right. And I was mistaken that's not part of the deduction. >> That's not in the calculations. >> It's not included. Okay. All right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. But with the pergola over it would still

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coverage. So the per Dave always says a pergola is lock coverage. That's Right. >> Okay. But if it's over an open deck, then it counts as coverage. >> Got you.

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>> So, it doesn't make any sense to switch things to a deck. Um my my concern is is the driveway. The lot coverage of the driveway looks like it's more than the lock coverage of the house, the patio itself. >> Um 4,000 square feet where currently we

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have under 8,000 square feet. >> Hit a driveby today and I don't see anybody else in the neighborhood who has this quantity of driveway. Would you be willing even if you wanted a turnaround to to modify the driveway that to mitigate some of the lock coverage?

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right by you'll see cars kind of turn on up that like gradual extra from Amazon. It's just a lot going on. It was something that we discussed initially like is there a way of narrowing it or

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off like 500 square feet or something. It was I certainly brought all everything to the table for for discussion but then you know there was very valid points made by by >> go to Mr. Schlug.

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>> I was going to throw an idea out there first off. So the law coverage you're permitted 15%. You're already over. >> It has been since 1996. >> Like to get maybe Tom's opinion on this. What about pvious papa for the pet?

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It's all technically coverage but Right. That the pergola is going to close and have the slats then you're right. Yeah. What's it going to do? >> Did I I did I misunderstand? I thought it was over a deck which is already impervious. But now interesting question. If the

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>> pergola is that grade over imper imperous pavers, how does that now get computed as >> everything's open >> Mr. Schlly? Well, you I think you it would all be counted as coverage. Per permeable. A

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patio regardless of the surface counts as coverage just like a driveway or a walkway counts as coverage. But you can have surfaces that are not as impervious that count as coverage. So a permeable pavement

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>> pavers might be um way of justifying law coverage variance. You're still going to have the same law coverage number, but you will have a Would that be counted as 50% or then it's >> No, it's all 100% coverage.

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>> The nature of the surface is actually permeable even though it counts coverage. It's kind of like the board gives a little difference to the pool water surface when there coverage as something that doesn't generate runoff >> similar to drainage like if they were to put in

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>> system. Exactly. It's a mitigating circumstance, right? >> Had someone come in who was going patio in with rips of pavers and pairs of grass or some vegetation and all that's

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still considered impervious. Ward looked at that more favorable is what? Right. Right. As noted, it's not not a roof and not totally waterproof, but but there would be times that the louvers will be closed and there'd be less water effect

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certain. >> Um, and that given that they do have some gutters along the beam, so there would also be helpful. >> Can I ask a question? >> Yes. Um, you were here during Hurricane Ida, right? Okay. Was there flooding in

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your backyard? Yeah. In in behind the house, was there flooding? I mean, 7 ines fell in five hours, so like I had water raining in my dining room, so like I had a lot of problems. But what I'm saying is we're really worried about the water. I want

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to know, did you have like puddle and I gotta be honest, puddles, standing water? What did you have after something like a downpour, something like Ida? And I know they say once in a 500 year, but we've had a few of them in the last 10. So, >> okay. Yeah. Well, no, that that's that's

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open space, right? Yeah. >> So, but it it didn't go like through your front yard and it didn't go through like close to your house. It was way in the back. Okay. Thank you. everyone is asking these questions is

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because drainage is a major consideration when you're on lock coverage that you know if you're over you want you want to make sure you mitigate it that you don't impact your own house your neighbors you know and it's and it's also just the watershed you you don't you don't want to block

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the watershed so that's why we ask all these questions and and ask sometimes for d extra drainage on the property Right. >> Gonna let Mr. Quinn speak to that. Is it dry well helpful? Just curious

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from your perspective like would that much. So, and the ladies appropriately and everything. >> Yeah. >> I think >> if I if I can I I want to go back to previous question had which is side of you and you said, "Oh, well, we only have the one side because we're

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number one on our property." But again, looking at the maps and things like that, you have you do have houses maybe they properties that are right next to you on either side. And I understand the one side you said is higher than you. So it comes

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What about the the house that's on the other side of you? Are they even lower than you? And I know that they also back up to Fawn Hill. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> The home that you're referring to.

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>> You have houses on either side. So just whatever one is higher and lower and Okay. One Hills Township open space, is it? It's not like a park space or anything that people use. Just a >> It's just a wooded space. Okay. Okay.

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All right. I think maybe we should start with Mr. ize the port and go. >> Well, if I can I'm sorry if I can just ask one other question. You're talking about vegetation. Um, so the house that's that side of you. Um, and the

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vegetation that's between you and them, what is that veget? Because you had mentioned evergreen type of stuff. Is that on the other property or is that between you and that house that's This is the vegetation.

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Okay. So, what kind of I'm sorry. What kind of trees? Okay. That's where I have a little bit concern. Since evergreens are less rooted, they don't absorb as much water. So, Right. Yeah. This door

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>> backyard appears to have fur trees almost on the entire back there. >> Yeah. >> Um not so much on that one property, but as noted the cross that particular that's where I'm going to have to rely

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on our experts that I think we need to do right now. We need to go to Mr. Sly's report items and then we go to Mr. Quinn. looking at my report dated April 30th. The first few comments are just coverage. And

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uh comment number six, uh a tree removal. Yeah. about the lighting that was already agreed. Now we're directed.

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They just u questions on Mr. report >> gone to Mr. Quinn. >> Can I ask a question, dude? On just on the sheds, why does why does everyone have 10 foot on the lot line and then they come in and we have to do 20 foot

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on the lot line? Is it people just putting up sheds without getting approvals and knowing what the rules are? In this case, they did get a permit. Not not these folks, >> but previously >> built like 20 years ago. >> Shouldn't have been issued because of

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the coverage situ situation. But the permit did show the approved shed plan did show a conforming 20 foot rear setback. Uh >> never put it there and we never found out. But here and um

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>> right supposed to be 20 in the zone. >> I didn't know if it changed from 10 to 20 or back. >> Oh no. the uh no in the half acre 3/4 acre zones it's 10 ft

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1 acre one two and three acre zones it's >> that's more just >> been that way for a long long time >> why is it 20 ft versus 10 feet on a bigger lot just >> we don't know the rationale there I

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think it probably just went bigger lot I don't I don't think for for a small building like that um it's subject to the same setback requirements if that was a detached garage 20 ft so that it could be 20 foot tall building

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>> sense when you look at a a typical >> not specific to shed it's >> not it's for an accessory build but thank you >> else Mr. Quinn. >> Okay. April also my letter April 3rd. Um

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the first two comments. First one deals with existing purview cover. Applicants testified they haven't added any impervious cover. And I noted that the net new impervious

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cover will be 583. And that's not performing that would consider that we time consider providing some sort of exacerbating uh I answered this question but I did have a question about the

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coverage in the back right side of the building it showed a square that was unhatched I >> yes that's >> that one of the overhangs or >> that's a previously enclosed porch and that was included in the dwelling footprint. >> Okay, that's I just wanted to make sure >> that was not clear. Correct.

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>> Uh okay, that also takes care of the number four the with the building cover. I was confused by the 265 and the 3045. I just ask that you would reference to reference the survey that was provided on your drawing. So that >> Yes.

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Also uh the same comment that Dave had there's no to there's no topography shown on here topography and beyond that the 5,000 you're dealing with the suspect. Environmental Commission on on budsman

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here. So guys got a copy of the Environmental Commission review. It's February 23rd, 2026. property. We discussed that ask you to best storm water best management practices during site work as part of

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final grading and restoration. Best management practices to preserve and protect spring site work. ask that you consider installing site features to promote the recharge of storm water from roof leaders coverage increase here.

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They're not removing any. So we can you guys all that or consider all those things >> and same goes for Mr. Schlly and Mr. Quinc >> I have a question for Mr. think putting any kind of a drainage

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system on this property help or you don't know if it would help with with the soils? >> Don't know what the soils are like. Some some parts of Bernards are surprisingly permeable. A lot of >> most of it is not. I know. >> I know.

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>> That's something that's not practical because the soils are I didn't >> Okay. >> But I just permeable paver. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> that's something you would consider.

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They're basically a They're basically a concrete paver that's porous. It allows water to go through. It's they're they're made to allow water to go through. Very It's a very porous concrete. Yeah, I would I would suggest

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5% open. I mean, if we want to make it, >> they make them >> functional. Oh, yeah. They make them 40%. >> 50% open more%. >> I very much agree that that definitely helps mitigate, you know, the

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coverage. Um once it get openings get really big, it just gets hard to process. It's not the um not a solid surface necessarily. However, there's a lot of new options coming out every day and I think we could find an attractive

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one that would work. 583 square 583. >> I mean I I think it's reasonable to the question that they're asking. I mean, do do we are we going to require that the entire patio be of that? >> No, the entire patio is 900 some square

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feet. >> Oh, okay. >> But they're they're increasing the impervious cover on this application by 583 because they're perview cover elsewhere. So, what I'm suggesting is if they want to do the whole patio, >> yeah, >> that I mean, we don't have to do >> and I would also suggest to the

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homeowner that, you know, if you would prefer to do drainage over the permeable pa, that's your choice. Like, if you if you prefer to put I I don't know. He was saying he's not sure about your soil or what's possible on your property, but

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what we're looking for is mitigation. And so, that's your choice of how you would mitigate I have a um >> yes concrete they just >> they just they have more paracity. They allow water to thread.

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If I want to put the number 25% in there because I don't want to >> permeable paving >> and and you can get them. They're very decorative. you can get permeable pavers are very decorative. Um I think it would be your

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a better option and they're lovely and I have many friends that have them and it's it's really I think it's your best bet and also I have a question though. Could they mix permeable with non-permeable as long as they get the coverage? >> Well, that's what they were just asking

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me. They they don't want to do the area a certain area under the pergola because they don't want to have >> Yeah. 500. I mean, again, you're increasing by >> have to tell them a percentage. >> Yeah. >> But let me tell you, they're they're

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beautiful. So, I >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes, they do allow the they do have them because of the paracity of the stone. >> Yeah. I don't know how solid they are. >> Well, have much experience with those. >> That's where you would have to talk to.

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concrete board >> permeable concrete. Yes, they >> option if we're saying it's the 558 square feet >> driveway or something like that. I wouldn't recommend driving

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just an option. Does it need maybe in front of the house or something like that? Maybe ideally it is in the back in the new area >> part of the driveway and replacing >> just as an option but perhaps the rear is the best way areas. No, you can do it anywhere you want. But that's you have to tell us what you want

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to do. >> Are you taking those out? >> Oh, you're only taking the side. >> Yeah. >> Talking the two short paths that come from the driveway, >> but I don't I don't How much air square footage?

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Right. >> Try to get impervious. Okay. >> They're only >> I know. I Right. Right. >> I think we as the board have to pick a number that they have to live with and wherever they do it, they do it. That's that's really what this comes down to. >> You know, this is not a DEC. We don't

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have to tell you where. We just want to give you like an amount and then you have to agree to do that much. Your >> architect can work with you to figure out where and how you do this. 500 square feet

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>> once we um Is there anybody here from the public who has questions for this witness? David, if this is a condition, if we approve it, they can manage this type of thing. I'm saying >> type of stones and you know, I mean,

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>> yeah, the engineering department can certainly >> I don't know. I've never >> to be on the plan. They're going to go these these stones are this way and this is this way and everybody's gonna measure it out and figure it out and >> yeah. No, it'll have to be clearly shown on the plan. >> So, make sure

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>> you know things get missed. >> Yeah. >> Any other comments from the board or do we have question of the So, >> I was going to ask, are we going to stipulate that you've said the two walkways and anything not covered by the

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pergola? Are we going to state that or are we just saying as a general how much an amount and then they can allot it? >> That increase as I understand it is 583. >> That's increase 583

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>> over existing over existing was was >> No, no, sorry. That was No, the >> 583 is the correct number. >> Okay. All right, >> it's 900 and change, but you're taking out 400 and some odd. >> Thank you. >> We just have to say 583. You got to give

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us 583 of >> either removal of impervious or >> impervious materials. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Anyone on the board have a number they would be comfortable suggesting? >> 500. >> 600.

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>> 600. It's not even 600 total. I I think we just have to say the 500. I mean, we I think our issue has been the 500 and >> 58 583 feet. >> Yeah. And if if you do more, great. >> You do less, it's going to be a problem. But so >> 583 is a rough number to work with. I

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think we have to give them >> to say it's a minimum. Minimum. >> Yeah. Minimum >> 500. >> 500. >> I would agree with 500 as well. >> 500 >> has to be either has to be permeable, correct? >> Yes. Yes. remove imper impervable or give us a pvious

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>> impervious coverage has to like pa some sort have to be 500 square feet or more >> 500 square feet of the final impervious coverage has to be >> the condition as I envision would be of the total overall proposed lot coverage a minimum of 500 square feet thereof

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shall be favors only >> I should I go ahead and Make a motion. >> Oh, no. >> Let's make a motion. >> Go through. >> Okay. All right. >> I appreciate the zealousness. >> Okay. >> Um, first, madam vice chair, any members

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of the public, questions or comments? Speak now. Forever. Hold your peace. >> Got it. >> We got to take her. >> Mr. Mr. Ed, do you swear or affirm that the testimony provided be the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth? What we got? >> Yes. >> Name and address, please. And

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>> uh Edstein, 172 Riverside Drive. >> Just want to remind the board that storm water management is important now and it's been more now than ever. And uh it's not just because we worry

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about water just draining over to somebody's lot, but because we want the water to stay for 72 hours so it get kind of drain into the if it can drain into the the land itself

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instead of going out to the sea. Both the previous um surfaces need to be cleaned at least once a year, usually by vacuuming. So if you're going to put the pvious in,

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it's got to be maintained yearly. I understand he's going to remove some impervious and the change over it. Just it was just a little bit where he said, "Well, I could have done, you know, 2,000 seats, but we decided only to do a

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th00and seat." I mean, I thought that was kind of a backhanded thing because, you know, you might as well say, I could do my whole yard in per, you know, impervious, but I'm going to do you a favor and only do half. And that's what it sounded like.

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But as an all zoning board um um variances and stuff, it's all it's a negotiation. Um, somebody's going to get something, but they're going to have to give something. And I'm sure the board will

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be fair and give them what they want, but they're going to have to give a little bit. So, thank you very much. >> From the public, questions or comments? Close to the public. If you you want >> on the board have any comments or would like to make a motion. >> Summarize first.

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>> Summarize first. >> So we all know >> summarize first. My apologies. Okay. So you guys have nothing further, right? No further testimony, no questions, nothing. Okay. Right. So the applicants here are seeking two bolt variances. One for the lot coverage ratio. 19.82%

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proposed with 15% as the max permitted. And then rear yard setback on the shed 10 point 10 10.8 ft proposed also an existing or 20 feet is the minimum required there. They've agreed to comply with everything in Mr. Schlly's memo from April 30th everything in Mr. memo

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for April 3rd. The uh recommendations of the environmental commission dated memo being dated and then the other condition that I just mentioned of the total overall proposed lot coverage a minimum of 500 square feet

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thereof shall be pvious papers only. Something out of I mean they could move the driveway too. Is that >> or removal of 500 square feet >> or 500? Yeah. Or removal of 500 square feet of impervious exist

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>> of the total overall proposed lock average 500 square feet or the applicant shall remove 500 square feet. They could keep the same patio stones but remove part of their driveway if they want. But we discussed

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or reduce the patio or reduce property line one the right side. That's the south. Yeah. >> You go take a look at that cap in the landscaping. for two. Um, >> okay. >> You can see their back.

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Applicant >> shall fill in the gap along the southernly property line. Gap in landscaping along the southerntherly property line. subject. No, I think it's >> Oh, are you ready for my

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>> No other further comments? >> I'm done. >> Have a motion. >> We do. Okay. So, I'm I'm seeing this as a C2 variance. Um I know you said there was an undersized slot, but I don't really think there's a hardship here. So, I

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think it's a C2. Um, and I'd like to make a motion to deem the application complete and direct the board attorney to draft a resolution memorializing the variance, the two variance requests, one

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for um lot coverage at 19.8% 8% with all of the conditions we discussed um including the the minimum 500 square feet of pvious pavers or removal of 500 square ft. Um and then the second

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variance that we will be approving is for a rear yard setback on the shed. Um I'd like to make that motion to to approve that as requested. A second.

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>> Second. All >> in favor? Andrea? >> Yes. >> Mr. Krauss? >> Yes. >> Miss Poxar? >> Yes. >> Miss Silver? >> Yes. >> Miss Trap? >> Yes. >> You're approved. Congratulations.

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>> Very much. Much appreciated. >> Good luck. >> Good luck. Thank you. >> Enjoy your project. >> Yeah. Don't go over. He'll be back. And I don't think you want to do that. >> Don't put another shed on. >> Have a good night.

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>> In the meantime, thank you for your service. >> Oh, you're very welcome. Um, if everybody can just give us two minutes. We're having a little issue with the technology. We're just going to reboot the system. >> Like to be parliamentary here, you know.

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>> All right. So, we'll we'll do let's do a fivem minute break and um >> So, it's 857 and >> we'll reconvene. >> 857 reconvene. Right. I mean, you know, for those guys it's But I remember him talking about >> Well, I'm gonna I'll be able to report.

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>> Right. Because I want this. >> Yeah, but I can understand that. >> Well, no, you get >> I understand. I I had to look. >> Uh we're going like 10 days. >> That's why I pulled up the IDA thing. >> I'm like, I'm not going to worry about

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it too much. Okay, we're going to call um back to order our um our meeting. And next on the agenda is Bonan Bradley D and Allison R. Block 7601, lot 2512 Lions

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Road, bulk variance, uh ZB26-00002. Madam Chair, I'll just mention real quickly the, uh, the applicants here provided adequate notice for the board to have the jurisdiction here and decide the case tonight. So, uh, with that, I'll just do the >> Sir, I'm assuming you are Mr. Bradley

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Barton. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Do you have any other witnesses testifying with you tonight or just? >> Uh, no, not tonight. Just myself. >> Okay. So, I'm going to need to swear you in as well as our two board professionals. If all three, you could raise your hand. All three of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth, the whole truth, and other

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>> pardon. You lived at uh 512 Lions Road, Baskin Ridge. >> That's correct. Yep. >> Why don't you tell us why you're here? >> Uh yes. So um we are looking to do a project on our house. Uh we moved in in 2017 um and we have an existing screened in

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porch uh which has been when we bought the house was in need of some repair um and is now in need of major repair. Um, and instead of just repairing it as a screened in porch, um, we're looking to, um, turn it into a more usable living

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space, uh, for our young children. Um, right now we have a quite a small space. Uh, our house only has one bathroom. Um, so we are looking while expanding and having sort of a playroom space. Um, where the existing porch was, we'd also

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like to add a half bath. Um, and since it aligns nicely with also going upstairs, we would be able to reconfigure upstairs and add a second bathroom um, and some additional closet storage space upstairs. Uh, again, just to provide more living space for our

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family, um, in an already small home. So, uh, that's the general plan. >> Okay. um currently roughly >> um

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don't have it right in front of me but I can say the house footprint is 819 square ft. Um we are over the coverage. I know um we did have a detached garage which when

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we bought the house was an ASIS uh component of the sale and the garage was already basically leaning um and was too small. It was a two-car garage. Well, it had two openings. um you wouldn't even be able to fit f fit a single car in

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since the openings were probably for very short cars. But um so a couple of years ago, I guess it was 2024, um we did apply to have that demolished and in uh that whole process with Nancy,

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I believe her name was, um she had done some research and saw that we would be grandfathered into our overage because that stuff was back there uh from, I believe, as far back to like 1980. Um, so she said we were essentially grandfathered with our current coverage.

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Um, so we applied for the in demolishing it, we replaced it with a shed, a 10x12 shed and a patio uh to keep that same square footage essentially. >> Correct.

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>> Yep. So, we took down the detached garage and replaced it with a smaller footprint patio and then a small shed to keep the same coverage percentage that we were, you know, granted. Um, >> but you said you did you obtained a permit to do that?

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>> Uh, a demolition permit. Yeah. So, so we we were told that since the shed was under 200 square feet, it didn't need its own permit, but that in the demolition uh permit process, we were to include a narrative to say what we were replacing

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the garage with for the impervious coverage. So the the I guess there wasn't a separate construction permit, but there was the demolition permit which included um the narrative of the size of the patio and the shed to replace it.

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>> Um but at the time, were you given dimensions or where you were allowed to put the shed? >> Uh I don't recall that ever being part of the process. No. Yeah. I mean, they all I was told was there was no we didn't need a permit for the shed

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because the square footage of the shed wasn't large enough for the need of a permit is what I was told. >> Um, >> so essentially we put the patio right where the garage was and then we added a shed because now we had nowhere to store

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anything. Um, so we added a shed. Um but Dave the so when you apply when you do go through the process are you not given setbacks?

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Well, you don't need a construction permit for a shed under 200 square feet, >> right? >> Coverage all this. >> So, the coverage is was grandfathered prior to them purchasing. >> Yeah, actually there was a much bigger garage. It probably had a lot of more

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coverage. It's going um had been there. The >> back wasn't approved. So the patio replaced where the garage was and then the shed was sort of in addition to so are we over further.

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>> The patio replaced the garage. >> Okay. All right. >> The shed is good coverage wise. It's got >> that's what I was misunderstanding. >> He had to put in there was meant to >> Okay. >> And then with the with the actual

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project that we're proposing. So, we're only proposing to add 74 square ft of coverage and we're going to remove 74 square feet of our driveway to make up the difference. Um, so the rest is just existing screen and porch that we're going to demolish and then rebuild into

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space. >> Okay. Are you so the new addition is going to match the house? Are you residing the house? >> Um, so yeah. So, the house is is stucco, like original stucco. Um, and from

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talking to a couple of builders and the architect, uh, it's would be basically impossible to have it look anything like the existing stucco, which is which is so old. Um, so the plan for now is to do some sort of siding. We haven't settled

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on u exactly the siding, but it would be some sort of siding with the anticipation down the road that we may reside everything. Um so um I do I think it's on Yeah. So in one of the drawings it sort

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of shows that the new portion would be the siding and then the existing is the stucco. Um and we also >> like we're going to need to in the near future replace some of the windows on the front of the house which are the old you know weight old yeah incredibly old

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windows. Um, we also have some casement windows which I believe the architect said was the first Anderson window they ever designed are ours. So, um, so we are going to have some other windows that are going to need to replace down the road, which will probably then lead

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into some additional siding work. Um, yeah, >> new addition is the exact same size as the original porch. >> Uh, plus 74 square ft. >> Plus 74 feet. So, >> which and and it doesn't extend beyond

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our existing back of the house. >> So, we're not extending back and we're not extending any closer to the side. >> It's um Yeah, >> it's in line. It just would add 74 square feet in a little corner that doesn't have anything right now. Yep.

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Oh, yeah. Um, >> do you want to do it right? >> Can you speak into your microphone? And if you want to, we all have those pictures in our point to >> Why don't you go Did you take these photos? >> Uh, I Yeah, I did. Sorry. >> Do you know when? >> Yes, I took these and then it was

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submitted. Uh, so essentially it's the, you know, the portion of the rear of the house to where the um where the brick pillars are is what we would be adding on. And then the rest is the existing

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um yeah the existing porch that would come down and be and be turned into living space. >> When did you take these photos? >> These photos were taken um I believe it was around Christmas time because we have our lights up. >> Oh okay. I saw the flag out too so

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>> yeah. Um yeah the Christmas lights are up. So it would have been it was it might have been right after Christmas or right before you know the new year something like that. lighting color will be kind of matching the stucco color. Is that >> uh Yeah. So, I mean, as part of the

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project, we're uh the house needs to be repainted also. So, we didn't want to repaint the house and then do a project and have to repaint again. So, um yeah. So, eventually once it's built as part of it, we would repaint the whole house with that.

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>> Um you you're talking about a a patio. Where is Because I'm I'm looking at your blue. >> Um yeah, you can't Well, so if you look the bottom right photo where the fence is >> uh the next piece of fence, there's a gate and that opens up. Uh there's two

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sort of square steps or stones that you would step onto to then step onto the patio. And then there's a set of stairs that goes up onto our deck. that like when you walk through the gate, you turn right onto a small patio and you turn left to go up into our back

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door. So the the steps on the deck used to come down directly onto our driveway and as part of this demolition of the garage and patio, we turned so the steps came down onto the patio essentially.

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So I I I understand that your property um is over an impervious coverage as you purchased it and grandfathered in. Um one of the issues with uh the coverage um as you probably heard in the prior application is uh storm water

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management. Can you tell us about you know does any water pool on your property? Do you have any water issues on your property? Um I mean we get so the lot to our south I guess it is um is a massive opens up into a massive sort

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of swampy um section behind our property. Um so that has certainly flooded in the past with some major storms. It's never come up onto our property. We do get a little bit of puddling in the very back corner

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where um you can see on the site plan we have a small amount of vegetation to the back of our property um which occasionally we'll get some puddling in there. Um both of our neighbors yards are higher um and sort of tapered almost

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like they've slowly been raised um before our time. But uh so yeah, I mean we we get a little bit of puddling in that very back left corner. Um, again, where the vegetation uh kind of is, but but I mean with since we've been there,

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we've never had like standing water in our backyard like visible except in that very back corner. >> Any issues in the house inside the house with water basement? >> So, we have we have a French drain in our basement currently. The only time we've we did have some water during one

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storm that was coming in through um the ash dump of our chimney, like it was probably leaking into the chimney, which uh actually by doing this project that hopefully would resolve that because where our chimney is would now have brand new foundation around it. So um

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that would hopefully help with that. But that's only that happened one time during one storm. Um and since then we've never had that issue. Okay. And you saw in um the professionals reports, right? We were you're um probably in the repairarian

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zone for the brook that's in the rear. Have you made any application to the D? >> Um so I have I reached out to a umological sciences company up in Rockaway. They did an initial sort of review for me. So

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they they said according to what they looked at they said the 150 foot repairarian zone would not overlap with the proposed addition space. Um so it it may because the nearest stream is 200 ft from um from where the work would take

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place. So um when you know talking to him that repairing zone probably does come through the back of our yard somewhere but um not anywhere near the actual back of the existing home where the work would take place. get any letter of certification to that effect?

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>> Uh just just his formal email with seven different sort of outlined points about different um uniform construction code and uh yeah nothing that was sort of like a signed

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formal letter other than which I think I forwarded to Mr. Schlag. >> Yeah, I've seen his emails. He didn't I'll probably have to address the sh >> going away though. Permit by rule is going away. >> Well, however, it will be addressed as

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part of the Um >> there is um he also did provide a a mapping of some wetlands which are in behind us but um according to the the mapping he looked at on the New Jersey D it doesn't actually come onto our

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property. It's all on the property behind us, which is our our neighbors. >> Mapping shows coming onto his backyard. This what he's doing >> point the shed might be

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I know that the rules are changing too and I don't know >> um if if if if you were to obtain an approval when do you think you would start construction? >> Um >> you don't have to have

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>> late summer. I I mean we actually kind of started the process almost a year ago. Um, and by the time we've rolled through all the stuff we've had to kind of go through and then it's kind of taken till now. So, I thought we might already be done

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with the project, but um, yeah, we haven't even started. So, but I mean, we would hope to move forward as quickly as we can and as quickly as a builder could start. >> Um, do you want to do you want to take us through your Does anybody have any

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questions yet? >> Um, you're putting a crawl space under the addition. So, uh, yeah. So, that's one one thing that I was going to, um, bring up. So, we're, um, initially we thought crawl space. We've kind of gone back and forth determining what we want

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to do. So, um, the architect did provide sort of an updated set, which it would be sort of 2/3 basement, one/3 crawl space versus all crawl space. Um, and it, to be honest, is partially on sort of the budget and where that all fits

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in. Um, it would not be finished basement. Our basement currently is only about seven feet. Um, I've >> hit my head on the the light bulbs multiple times that hang from the ceiling. So, it would be basically the same. It's just storage uh you know, laundry storage and our um boiler and

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all that stuff is down there. But, um, so yeah, it wouldn't be finished basement. It would just be extra storage since we have none. >> How old is the original house? >> Uh, I believe it's 30. 1931 32 somewhere in that it is part of the

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historical part of Liberty Corner. Um um we I mean we love the style of the house. So we are trying to do a project that adds more living space but keeps sort of the style of the home um best we can. So

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just uh hard with a seven and a 5-year-old and one one bathroom on the second floor. We don't have it on the first floor. It's only on the second floor. So, um, this would certainly improve >> for over a year. So, I I fully know two daughters and one bathroom upstairs.

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>> Yeah. Can >> I ask did you uh talk to your neighbors about the project? >> Um, we have Yeah. I mean, our neighbors directly to the south of us who moved in a year and a half ago or so were they said they'd be welcome to come and chat with us or or sort of testify on our

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behalf if we needed them to. Um, so and our other neighbors just moved in probably similarly about a year ago and uh it's actually not on their side of the property, but you know they've we had a sort of a neighborhood gathering and all talking about it and everyone

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seems like they have I noticed that windows on that side would be in the closets. So it's not like you'd have a light on all the time affecting a close neighbor at that level or anything like that. So didn't seem like there was a big impact. So,

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thank you. >> Um, I visited the house, but I did not go into the backyard where the shed is situated. Um, neighbors see where it is. Is there landscaping around?

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>> So, actually, no, they uh well, the neighbor on our southside can't because it's immediately behind their existing garage that's only four and a half feet off of our property. Um, so they I mean they could see it if

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they go behind the garage or in their far backyard, but from their home they can't see it at all because they have that existing structure. Um, and then the neighbors on the other side have a row of probably 25 foot pine trees adjacent to their driveway. So again, if

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they're in their backyard, they'd be able to see it, but from the home, they can't even see our house because the that tree line. Um, >> is the shed on um on a stone bed? >> Yeah, like a gravel. Yeah, gravel bed. And it sit Yeah. So, it sits off the

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gravel by on those 4x4s. I guess it is. But >> wondering is that like terribly difficult to move? I mean the obviously the well I guess the one issue with moving it any closer really I guess is because of our drive

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the way our driveway and patio are. So it would either be between our patio and our other neighbors yard or it would be basically on our driveway to get it any closer you know. I'm looking at it too. And what did we

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say is the >> requirement? We're only talking >> about 60 ft. >> Yeah. But even so, I mean, we're only talking about that it's the violation here is only, you know,

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Yeah. I mean, again, are we going to persecute somebody for 16? >> Are we off 9 ft versus 15 feet? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I thought it I'm sorry. >> I thought this was a I thought this at 13t. >> No. Yeah, it's I think Yeah, I think

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it's even slightly under nine nine ft from the property line. >> Okay. So, this this here is incorrect. Am I looking at the wrong >> you know the survey says 13.6 right >> survey

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>> fixes the old garage you're looking at the >> former garage surveys I thought >> there's another there's another survey okay I'm sorry that's my mistake >> here's the new this is >> all right so we're looking the survey doesn't really say where it is but

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>> yeah so the original when we did the update of the survey for sorry for this process. Um he drew in where the patio and shed are on the existing 2017 survey. So we haven't had the property reserveyed. >> Yeah.

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>> That's kind of next to the masonry garage and your neighbor's property which is only 53 off the property line. So >> you ever voiced any issue with the ship? I mean, before we even put it in, we told him what where we were kind of looking and he said, "Sounds great. I

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won't even see it." >> It was behind us. >> You mean? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's probably I think it's a little closer to probably seven feet maybe. So, it might be a couple feet

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over where from my drone. Right. I mean, we have we have a fence that's on our property obviously, but um yeah, I mean, the fence was installed on our property, so I don't know where where that is in relation to the exact property line, but

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>> um yeah. Or I mean, >> if it could be six feet, that would be good, too. But I I mean I don't want to put it right on the property line, but >> you're not going to move. >> Yeah, we're not going We would just where it is like So you can ask for it,

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>> right? Um yeah, I mean I didn't I didn't measure to the actual property line. So said six to seven feet. I don't know if there's a number that we have to I mean I just don't want to say seven feet and then if I go out there with the actual

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survey and measure it. If it's 6.5 I don't want to pay for somebody to move it. Yeah. >> Yeah, I think so. >> I just to drag it over like six inches if it's slightly, you know what I mean? >> Okay. >> Y

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is like the lowest you think possibly. >> Yeah. to you know the variance condition the approval >> right >> okay >> I'd be at least confident that it's at

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least >> right >> yeah okay >> it looks further away to me I mean the >> yeah Yeah, >> we have he lets us store our trash bins on the strip of, you know, earth between

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his drive or our driveway and his garage and our trash bins fit right there. So, ours definitely seems larger than that. >> All right. So, we'll say that it's no less than six feet. Uh, does anybody else have any questions?

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Um, let's do the professionals memos. Um, and then we'll open it to the public. No. So there so there used to be um some shrubs and trees. Um so our old neighbor when we first moved in actually had a gravel driveway on so basically there

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was a shrubs and trees between our driveway and his gravel driveway that went down to the back. The new homeowners that came in when they moved in, they removed all of that and redid the whole landscaping. Uh so now it is all grass and they moved their driveway

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to the other side of the house. Um, so that sort of buffer of bushes that was existing that was on their property they got rid of. >> Um, but yeah, but there is no room. Yeah. I mean there's no >> No. Get it.

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I mean, just the couple of landscape trees that we put in. We'll have to probably move one just to Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. But there's no trees. Yep. Okay. >> Mr. Barton, you have no issue with Mr.

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Finn's comments. Mr. fly. >> Dated April 30, 2020. >> Comments are next. We mentioned it's in the Liberty Corner Historic District. um

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hiding yet. But yeah, I mean our goal is to blend it into the existing architecture as best as we can far as being >> Yeah. Yeah. Just that would be a stipulation >> standard that.

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>> Yeah. Right. >> Final sighting. >> So when are you thinking of this? >> Um not vinyl sighting. >> Good answer. Um, uh, yeah, I don't remember the Yeah,

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>> yeah, >> that's the kind of thing I was looking to hear. >> Well, the condition has to be that it has to be consistent with the neighborhood and consistent with the historic. So, if is there anything that >> have any standards on

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>> there's nobody that looks at that before it's Um, >> applicant's sure about not doing vinyl siding. Then >> not going to do vinyl and you do the hardy plank. If you could >> and the hardy plank as long as it

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>> oric I mean it could be any material. Correct. >> It looks like wood. >> It's fiber cement, >> right? But there there are others there are other materials that look that way. So, I just want to be sure that >> that's a flat

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>> lapid. >> Okay. And they also have Okay. >> You can give that as an example. Not using vinyl siding use >> or an equivalent product. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Type side. >> Are you willing to stipulate to that? >> Um yeah, I I I guess I Yeah, I mean I I don't I have I haven't done any real research on exactly that. So um but yeah, I guess I

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You're doing a wood clapard siding or a hardy plank type clappard siding that looks like wood siding on vinyl, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it would. Yes, for sure. I >> mean that you you have an architect, >> correct? >> That might be something your architect

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can do a little narrative when you permit it addressing how the board's concern is being addressed, how the how the materials >> Okay. And it could be wood. It's just as long as it looks like

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>> right it could be wood plank that looks like wood as long as it looks like >> something or stucco. >> Yeah. I just don't think we should mandate the specific brand that they use. I think that's overstepping. We should say that it's sat in style

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because I know I mean I'm just going to go out there and say Hardy's the most expensive uh siding out there. I don't think we should tell him he has to use Hardy, but >> you know that style something equivalent in appearance. It doesn't have to be that. It just has to be equivalent in appearance so that it maintains the

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historic nature. >> Yep. Okay. >> And not vinyl specifically non vinyl siding, which I don't even know if they make any work. >> But you can you can you can do what you want with your house. Just keep it consistent with the neighborhood and the historic nature.

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>> Okay. >> And no vinyl. Yes. >> Okay. >> That works. >> Or the board's standard condition about >> Yeah. And right now we don't have any plans for exterior, but if we did, we

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would certainly do it that way. >> Five is just with the township's flood damage. rules engineering or whatever they're going to require. Mhm.

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>> Uh Marian zone conservation ement is required depending on where the falls but presum the further approval from the for the board if the applicant is not

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permitted to have the shed because it's located. Obviously, it could be forming location, but Ario probably couldn't be located along that same property line unless that would be the time uh to ask for

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that. But >> yeah, I mean obviously we'd like to leave it right where it is if we can um to not have to rebuild >> and if D is okay with that or doesn't require but I'm just saying >> does the board feel we have to move it? Yeah, I thought we had >> I thought we had agreed that as long as

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it's not less than it is what they're saying to be moved forward. >> Uh because >> we're letting them keep it. >> I see. I see. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, just based on

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the layout, really the only place that we would be able to put it is on the driveway, unfortunately. I mean, >> you had to slide it up a little bit and it's still not forward of that neighbor's garage, say, >> right?

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No, my only my only concern is whether or not it's going to be enough room with the new regulations that are coming. I think they're pretty stringent. So I just >> well if I mean it might not be able to do in any circumstance but >> right if it's a matter of moving it 10

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feet forward >> would the board be okay with the same sex setback >> right but if it's if that's not enough so yes well if everybody were to agree but I'm saying that if if it's still if the 10 feet sliding at 10 feet isn't enough is there another location on the

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property that's even closer to the house that would work for you >> like the problem is if we move it if we move it adjacent to the patio, it would I would almost be positive it's going to be closer than six feet to the to the sideyard

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>> or if the D were to have that restriction, would you just get rid of the shed? And your choice. I'm not I'm not dictating. I'm just simply saying if the D line goes further, what would be your alternative be? >> I mean, I I guess it would either have

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to be on the driver or we'd have to get rid of it. I I guess >> Can I just ask is This is a state thing. >> When is it supposedly changing? >> And and there's a grace period

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>> of a six-month grace period. >> Don't believe there. You could probably speak better to this, but I >> years. Oh, that's the current FEMA maps, >> right? >> Township that shows the future

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>> right >> onto the existing mapping. I don't have that information. So, it's possible that zone may be chased back onto his property a little more than he suspects. And that's that's >> So, I have I have a question. something

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is already there. You get no grandfather clause in here because I mean it his already there really something temporary structure >> it's just put there >> to be honest I don't I don't know if the

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>> but I guess the problem is that we don't know and he's here now so we're saying that if the D >> hang on if what we're the only thing we're not saying you need to move it >> what Mr. is bringing up is that if the DP were to

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tell you that you have to move it, you're here now rather than have to come back again and seek an approval for a new location. You might want to do that now. Maybe you don't and that's okay. We're just saying that now that you're

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here, just in the event the D has issue with it, you can have a location that's approved. Otherwise, it stays where it is for so long as you get your approval this evening. >> Right. >> Right. I mean, obviously, since we don't

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know where the flood line might come all the way to the driveway, I I don't know. You know what I mean? So, I don't even know what would >> I don't even know might what might be a feasible location except all the way up against the deck or you know what I mean? So, it's hard for me to say I want to pick this as the

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alternate location if I don't even know what Even if it's >> out of the flood. >> Well, that >> have to be out of the flood zone if states that. >> But my my point is if if the flood zone, let's say, comes all the way to our driveway, there would be no where to put

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it other than on the driveway >> because >> or right by the patio or >> or adjacent to the patio, right? which kind of defeats the purpose of the patio to be able to look at the backyard. >> Exactly. >> Which is what we had that detached garage and you were sitting on the deck.

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All you looked at was the roof of the garage and our kids would go behind the garage and you couldn't see them. So that was one of the reasons why we wanted to take the garage down and put the shed on the other side so that we could just sit in our lookout and see our backyard which we couldn't do previously. >> Um,

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>> you don't have to make the decision now. I I think we were trying to help you out so that you don't have to ever come back. Right. >> But you could come back. >> Yeah. And that would that would be separate from a problem. >> Like that would be totally separate from the addition >> anyway. Right. >> Yeah. You would separate

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>> if they had to come back just to figure out the shed. That would be totally separate from >> and that's if the D has a problem with it. So we don't even know that they're going to. >> Right. >> Yeah. So I don't know where that leads. So I

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Yeah. So I think we would just >> have to move the shed. >> We would have to figure out where we need to move it to. I Yeah. >> Or or I guess >> it's no closer than six feet to that property line if he has to move it because that >> or the other side of the property,

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right? Same thing. >> That's something different now because that's the other side of the property. Now we don't know. >> Please. >> The thing about it is the shed's on this side. Those people are used to it. It's it's right by a garage. So it's it's innocuous. You move to the other side. I don't know what you said is and you and

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you have the right setback. I don't know how impactful that is to that side of the property. We've established how impactful it is to where it is. But if you >> I stopped by I stopped by the property day to the left of you.

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>> Uh well yeah. So that that's all part of the that homeowner. They just have those tall pine trees lining the driveway and then there's the open >> It's a big open field. So, their house isn't really that close. >> No. >> Look, I I think right now that this is

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an unknown and I think we don't even know that the D I know the rules are getting more stringent, but I don't know how they're going to affect the property. So, there are a couple of ways we can go about it. Just leave the

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application as is. Um, you can agree that you would only ever put the shed in a conforming location, but then that's going to and that would be on you later on. You decide where you're going to put it as long as it's in a a conforming location or you pick a

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spot on the other side, but we have no idea what that impact is going to be at this point. So, it's your choice. >> It probably makes sense to leave it as is. And if we then >> right, then we'll come back and >> come back to the board. I would imagine

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it would be a pretty quick thing. >> Okay. Yeah, that works. >> Fair enough. >> Yeah, >> I think that makes sense. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, I think that's it for the >> Sorry, I just Do you need the updated with the difference of the basement

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versus crawl space or is that not really >> I mean it's it's >> Did you get that already? >> No. So the these the basement verse crawl space wasn't on the initial submission because it was just originally proposed as just crawl space. So the >> architect >> doesn't change the appearance.

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>> Yeah. It doesn't change anything with the structure. There's no there's no entrance to the basement from the outside. There's no >> I was going to say that now that you showed it to us >> taken as an exhibit. It's part of >> Okay. >> In that case, yes. >> Okay.

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>> Sure. >> Mark it as an exhibit. Just I think we just need one for just a one cases testify. Does anybody else have any questions uh from the board? No. Does anybody from

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the public have any questions for Mr. Barton or for any of our professionals? Done. Any comments? None. Um, >> pardon, are you satisfied with?

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>> Oh, right. Real quick, two things. >> They just wanted you to be aware of the potential for any ingground tanks, lead paint, and asbestous. >> Ask you to consider recycling, repurposing, or gifting. >> Yep. So the property is grandfathered, right?

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The the the the condition existed prior to the zoning, correct? >> 1980 when >> So So, so it's it's grandfathered. It's pre-existing. Um, does anybody have any comments or want to kick us off?

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>> Public question. >> Uh, do you want to give us a No, we did. We asked. >> Do you want to uh give us a summary? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think uh Let me go through the four variances that are being requested here. One is for for the uh principal front yard setback 41.3

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five is required. All these numbers I'm giving are related to the principal southerntherly sideyard setback 12.6 6 feet proposed. House itself is also 12. Find principal sideyard setback.

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Finally, the shed southerntherly sideyard set back agreed to comply with everything in Mr. Environmental Commission's respective review measing would be used in the So personally think

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coverage on a lot of this equivalent conforming law to impose that on a on a on a lot that's 7% of the required one acre. So based upon that, I would like to make

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a motion. I see this first of all as a C1 hardship there. I think the house is house and I think this is going to just make this big improvement to the neighborhood.

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I would make a motion to deem the application complete. Direct the board attorney to draft a resolution memorializing the variance request including all stated stipulations and conditions. >> Have a second.

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>> Secondrea was that we have missar and missrea. Andrea, >> yes. >> Mr. Crafts, >> yes. >> Miss Pockart, >> yes. >> Miss Silver, >> yes. >> Miss Trap, >> yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman,

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>> yes. >> Thank you. >> Pardon? >> Good. Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Oh, thanks. >> Next. Council, we were just uh talking about you. Come on up.

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>> Thank you. Um I understand you have one more application before us, so the chances of us getting reached tonight are probably not good. >> Yes. >> Let's see when we can get you back. >> Um

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layman. So, we've cancelled the June 3 meeting because we're not going to have a quorum that evening. >> Uh 11 would be >> June 11th. >> There another meeting in May or no? >> Yeah, it's it's a special meeting. We

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have a fairly large um application going on their multif family developments kind of setting those nights aside for that >> fine June 11th >> it's pretty big I'm not sure we would get to you on that night either >> yeah I don't want to end up in the same

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position that we are tonight >> 11th I think I just want to make sure you have >> We know we're down one on June 11th, but so far we have >> I'm going to be about an hour late >> on June 11th. >> As long as we have the vote until another hearing,

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>> right? We always have that option. Yeah. >> Long as we have four, you can at least present your case. Maybe not get >> it is a devariance. >> But we we would need five qualified members. That's >> exactly >> another day to vote. So far though, Miss

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Layman, I I think we're only down, Miss Paktar, as of right now for the June 11th meeting. >> Yeah. So, we should have eight members and one Well, seven and one coming an hour late. >> Okay. >> On June 11th. Okay.

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>> June 11th. Any idea where we might be on the agenda that night? that have the date and have noticed 26004 was um carried from tonight to June 11. Allan,

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>> remember off the top of your head what they were proposing just to never know. >> Okay. Therefore, we would ask that the marriage be carried to June 11th without the necessity of further notice. Do we

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>> as will you give us an extension? >> We will >> current time of act is May 31st. >> Take that on the record and if you could send us a letter too. >> I'll do that. Okay. Thank you everybody. >> Make the official announcement. the

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application of Michael and Jasine Vuvio concerning property located at block 11004 in lot 11, otherwise known as 22 Century Court. That application is going to be carried to the board's June 11th, 2026 meeting, 7:30 p.m. here in the municipal building. Uh, no further

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notice will be required as to publication, personal service, or certified mail service. Folks, if you're here for the application, we're not going to hear that tonight. Come back June 11th. All right. Sorry everyone. >> So next

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>> we're not done. We still got some cases to hear. So >> folks, we we we still have another case to hear. Um so we have Scholinsky, uh Kennethan Brandy, lot 2801, lot 24.02, 29 prior court with

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bulk variances ZB25-037. Welcome hanging in with us. I just make the quick notice statement and we'll get going here folks. Okay. So, I did have an opportunity to review the notice for this application. I find it to be sufficient as to its content, timeliness of service. Uh they did

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everything on everything that was required to be in there was in there and they did it on time. So, the board has the jurisdiction here to decide the case. That's the All right. So, folks, we got your three witnesses tonight, right? They're not going to be testifying, just

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you, sir. Where everybody in just to be safe. Okay. Just want to make sure there weren't any more hiding somewhere. Okay. Do all five of you swear affirm the testimony provided with the truth, the whole truth. How about the truth be? Okay. And if you folks could each just identify yourselves name, uh, address or

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business address, whatever you want to do. >> Anthony Adesso, Paradigm Architecture, 11-13 Sunflower Avenue, Pamis, New Jersey. I'm the architect for the project. Ending and

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>> testified for Lady Sports and >> Hi, I'm Ken Schwinsky. Um, nine Crier Court, Basking Ridge, New Jersey. Uh, I'm an owner. >> Same address. >> Right. >> Thank you. Nice to have you here. You wanna uh may I ask you when you can to

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please speak into the microphone. >> Before you got going, Mr. Desessa, correct? >> Correct. >> Going to be showing us tonight is something that you've submitted to the board. >> Correct. Yes. >> Correct. Yes. >> Marketing exhibits.

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>> Um our project encompasses uh removal of an existing patio uh and construction of a trained in deck with an open deck adjacent to that. Also, we are reconfiguring

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halfhazard pard um and around the pool. Um it's a combination of sort of possibly think of converting a lot will remain as is.

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Um the lot itself is fairly level. Um it does believe we haven't been able to establish that but there is a catch basin system on the meeting. Um Do we have maps that show where any of

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that drainage any of the drainage systems go? >> Drains. >> There's there's actually a catch basin. You can almost cight it right down subdivision. Formerly a big mansion. the big big house. Yeah.

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>> Where do you draw the line between mansion? >> I I call at the time I called it a mansion, but um due to our reconfiguration walkways, um we've added to our imperous coverage about 2400 So, can you on your plan where I see a

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maybe maybe a couch and the two chairs, is that the screened in porch or When was this house built? >> Thousands. And when did you purchase the house? Was the patio existing? That was part of the area where

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already sat at 18.9%. >> And what what part was supposed what part was supposed to be removed that didn't get removed? There was a there was something prior that was supposed to be removed patio where the addition is

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put in. >> When was that? patio around the pool >> some point. >> Well, we are increasing our coverage. We are Topographic. our overage from our uh required 15%.

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>> So I believe where you have the catch basins, it's actually higher in that area. So, I know you're doing the the drain. How deep do the Sorry, the the recharge systems, how deep do they go? >> Well, these these here, these

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because I think you're and even where the your um chamber is, it's only like a foot or two difference there. You know, I'm going off of memory, which we can't always rely on. So, so tell me again what you're doing with the excavation.

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Yep. >> And what's the pitch on the pipe? >> Depending upon Normally the rule of thumbs carry somewhere the driveway or it says the Where's our proposed p paper walkway? But it's pointing to the walkway. What's that

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area right there? That square area >> behind the drive. I'll go. >> Yeah. What's that? >> Oh, what we're doing is right now this patio to the left of where your finger just was. What is that? >> Yeah. What's

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Say it again. >> Yep. >> That's going to be removed. You're saying? >> Okay. >> Moving that paved area. >> I can tell >> the page area. No, we're not. >> Oh, you're not removing that. Yeah. >> What we're doing is

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>> What's it for? >> It's really just for turn around. So they can actually >> But they have a lot of space up front to turn around, don't they? I'm just asking like they'll turn around. You don't need that area. >> Is it tight? >> Okay. >> Really don't have a lot of room this

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way. >> I'm thinking of my own that I can do it with my own. That's what I'm trying to think. So I understand. >> Fortunately, this turns Okay. >> Extended to turn. It's >> No, you're doing 95 point turn.

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>> Okay. >> But we also cover that in our water management. Covered in the water management plus an additional on the other side of the house. I think you have patio on that side as well.

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>> And you're making it a little bit more conforming, right? It's 11 ft from that subtly property line now, >> right? Yeah. We're sliding it over a little bit. So this side, that's why this side is now >> 16.9, right?

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>> Wait, can you explain that again, please? Right now it's at there anything that you can do with the patio that already exists? Maybe shave it back just a little bit so that we could really

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>> just because this Oh, there's there's Right side. Okay. Um I I believe code requires a minimum of four. >> I've seen less than that. >> I know we've seen less than that, but I do believe code requires four.

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>> What code? >> Our township code building code requires four feet around the pool. 4 foot wide patio walkable service around the pools.

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>> The landscaping guy told me >> Oh, no. I completely understand in in the past three feet. Well, this is what it's this is what it's here, >> right? But the other the other point >> I have that >> I like it too. pretty it's very

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impractical >> from from I'm just going through the process of replacing mine and this is this is what a couple of contractors would hold me because >> my four though would be better than five to seven >> if they were willing to do four >> on one side it's only three feet

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they're telling me it's it's it's requirements of four I thought that code was only for a deck around a pool, not >> any type of pavement, any type of hard surface. >> Okay. I I really just thought it was for

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>> a deck for contract. So, >> okay, that's fine. >> It may not be the most reliable. >> Yeah. The only thing we ever many times. >> Yeah. The pool contractors just said the the cover needed to be secured and

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that's why it had to have a lip, right, to secure the cover on. That was it. No, there's there's just >> right and also reducing it. >> Well, but um let's talk about the 12 feet on the other side. Um, so you're at

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20.64. Um, I recognize that your your storm water management system is is covering that, but it's it's a little there's it's a little excessive. So, I'm just

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wondering if there's some areas where we might be able to scale back a little bit and maybe we can get to a more comfortable number. >> Um, well, I think I think it depend Um, that hasn't been determined. >> Uh, impervious pavers. I've

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>> I pavers. >> Yeah. >> Impervious. >> We all know papavers are impervious. Yes. Um, imper uh pvious pavers I've used them for about 25 30 years. Have a little bit of a hidden. It's not just like you put the papers

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down. open to using them. Um, that I've used them for 20 years. Fine. Um, Yeah, because you're putting in a big drainage system to account for that right now, right? >> Yes, exactly. We have we have the water

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management system to basic over what's allowed, >> right? >> Pop that out. We would reduce with that system that you're putting in. You don't think there's concern around um drainage or flooding or anything like

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that on this property? >> Um for property with vertically. This acts horizontally. Oh, and we also do have surface water because basically

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pipes to get to those sub pipes um to take whatever surface water which is already there. Um, so, uh, most part I think we pretty much belt suspenders subdivision. I'm assuming they put in

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this storm That's right. That's right. >> That's exactly what we said. >> But here we're talking about drainage and they didn't have any drainage. That's why I'm saying it's like they don't need both. >> Exactly. >> Where does the drainage system

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Oh. would add. We would add all the inverts and everything once we get the permit. Not that we've seen in any walking type of indication of anything. It may be there >> because of because of the age.

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Correct. Yes. Agree. >> There's no hardship here. There's It's not under size. There's no hardship. >> So, I'm trying to wrap my head around. >> Right. What what number what number would the board be comfortable with if it's not

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the already >> if it's not the 20% I'm saying would we be comfortable at a lower percentage >> you guys get 100 >> um well depending how are we calculating per

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impervious service practical effect basically We would have to essentially permeable papers technically wouldn't count. They're already proposing drainage plus the papers. Also something to be said about the

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massing of impervious. >> Um we can >> have to do I'm not again I'm just suggesting that is the >> or might want lower. I'm just throwing that >> that's if that's a target that the board is >> Yeah, I don't feel comfortable with going over 20. I don't know if others

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do, but I don't feel comfortable over 20. >> I agree. one that went over but it was up in the hills and >> could go over the the percentages because of the drainage up there and the big retention pump >> different but that was I think that

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factor in that one. >> Yeah. So I think the 20% with with some sort of mitigation factor I do think they're putting in the drainage. I don't know that we need both drainage and permeable pavers personally. I think you do one or the other to capture the the water issue

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and I think it's the homeowner's choice, but I I leave that to others to weigh in on. I don't know >> drainage because it's a great collection. If it if it's permeable and it goes into the ground, if it doesn't, then revert to the papers maybe, right? To help.

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>> Yes. So that >> right. Yeah. >> So, so my issue is that I mean I know we're talking about 20% here. That's 5% over. We typically don't go over 4%. You're We do three to four, right? And

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you're already their property is already at 19.8%. But you're removing some things, you're adding some things, you're doing a screened in porch, you're adding more cop coping around the pool. So, I mean, my number is under 20. My number

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is know where you are now. How can you how can you get how can you how can you get your porch and your new deck and and stay at 20 stay at 19.8%. >> I was just going to

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number as it is >> right >> 19.8 18. >> Yeah. >> 198 is the existing. >> Yeah. But Dave Sing says 19.8. >> 19.18.

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>> Yeah. Dave's memo says 19.18%. So, what I do really like and I think what is what makes your plan outweigh the the detriments is the water management system, right? So, but

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there's no hardship here. So, it's it's hard to it's hard to grant when you're not meeting the criteria to grant the waiver. Correct. So if you do the the water management system and you stay at the percentage that you're at right now, I think that you you get to a point

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where all far manageable and um create the argument as to why the variance can be granted. >> Guess we still need a variance because I think every

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I would believe so. Yes. But I'm just saying if that is a target that the board would be >> adjustments to obviously in some >> Yeah. >> give and take, >> right? and I appreciate what you're

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trying to do to try to solve the water issues, but um in fairness and and and following the legal standards, it's kind of um it's necessary in order to grant the variance. Correct. So, uh does anybody have any We should go through the uh

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professionals letters. Um you want to do the environmental while they're >> Yeah, I'll do that while they're >> or I could do it, but you're so much better. >> Well, Actually, were there no comments on this one? >> No, there are comments. >> Oh, I have the they had the two right

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after >> received the the environmental commission February 23rd, 2026. Do you want >> you to revise the plans to show the square feet of plans? we have to do. >> Yes, we'll we'll be adding all that

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information in what are best management practices during site work and as part of water. Oh, did you guys take out any You're not removing any trees, right? >> No. >> Okay. Yeah, you guys will agree that

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everything Tom wants to take Okay. Well, we're we're also we're also capturing the house. >> Yeah. But we don't believe >> Well, but he's responsible for the house as well. It's not being captured now.

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>> Well, there Right. Okay. >> Okay. Uh the strip in the center is Yes. >> Oh, really? There'll be there'll be a perability test before final sizing is done.

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>> Correct. Yes. Right. Yes. No, >> you're good with everything. ly with all of Mr. Fly's comments. >> Does anybody have any um questions? >> You guys are going to

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You're amending your application, >> correct? Yes. talked about already the southernly side here at setback on pool. That was it. >> Um will coverage. >> Yeah. Um I would have to go through the numbers on that. I don't think just

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because the systems are not sort of customsized you I don't you're going to reduce those significant we'll have to buy one big I don't believe there's anything to change if anything changes is

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>> I think as long as it meets your uh the numbers and the standard that you called out I think that >> right yeah we make a >> quit and go below Right. Just as a practice, I always add in

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because of the D out the I have flooding in my house. So, um yeah. So, as long as he needs Is there anything beyond what's in your memo that we >> would change at all if they're reducing

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still going to be three inches? Okay. It >> might not be what what they're showing us right now, but as long as it needs >> the reason they're bringing it up because >> like I said, I just as just as practice, I always add a larger

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formula works. when you're getting those at those two inches an hour pop up emitter because we went by the state standard calculation. So, ever since then we've always been adding some more

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>> to avoid geysers. Uh, does anybody from the public have any questions or comments? >> None. Uh, does anybody do you have a question? >> No. I don't know if we asked about the neighbors if they talked to their neighbors about the project.

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No, we I don't know if we presented the pictures, but we did receive two pictures. Did we ask >> Did you take these pictures or >> Yeah, we took them. Um, they go back a bit because we've been working all of 2025.

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Nothing's changed since then. >> Accurate depiction of the >> Yeah. >> There's a kid running swimming in the pool or something. >> So, um, given more testimony, any questions or comments?

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>> Um, do you want to give us a summary? >> I would love to. Okay. So, the applicants here are requesting two bulk variances. One for the southerntherly sideyard setback presented by the pool patio 16 far as conditions go everything in Mr.

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second of 2026 environmental commission's firstly note they did another review memoir dated April 27 2026 they so I think covered as far as storm Anybody

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have any um comments or want to kick us off thoughts, feelings? I'm happy with the 1918. >> Do I hear a motion and a second in that? >> Um, sure. I moved to dean the application complete and direct our

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board attorney to draft resolution granting the busters application. All stipulated best so far. and are we >> probably a C2 >> C2. So

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>> definitely the benefits benefits of the of the increase in in water management um help out with any detriments which I don't see any in this case. >> That's the coverage which >> remains in character with the neighborhood and

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that is second. >> I will second it. Yes, >> Mr. Krauss and Miss Pockar. >> Dandrea. >> Yes. >> Mr. Krauss. >> Yes. >> Miss Pear. >> Yes. >> Miss Silver. >> Yes. >> Miss Trap. >> Yes. >> Chairwoman Bowman. >> Yes. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you for working with us and staying late >> and good luck. going to be beautiful. Now, >> hey, do we have any any comments from members?

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>> Any comments from our staff? >> Thank you for all of your hard work, both our members and our professionals. Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn.