We're good. All right. We will to order. Roll call, please. Here. Mr. Cage here. River. Mr. Ruth here. Trainer here. Here. Does that
notice of this meeting was provided to the news and courier notes file was being of the clerk and posted on the municipal bullet board on December 5th 24th stand for the stand
indivisible Welcome to the September 29th meeting of the Bville Burough Council. This meeting is being conducted in person in the council chambers in Burough Hall and is being broadcast live on YouTube and on Zoom to make it as
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or participation will not invalidate this meeting or any action taken including but not limited to the adoption of any ordinance, resolution or voted. All right, our first presentation is our
auditor who's going to tell us how we did last year on the X. Hi everybody, my name is John Stoer. I'm partner with Sly Cleaning Company. Uh you guys selected our firm to conduct the audit for the year ended December
31st, 2024. The notice required by the state of New Jersey. The order report date is September 15th. It has already been filed with the division of local government services. Uh important to note always kind of start this is a financial and compliance audit. It's not an operational order which is a big
difference. We're not judging how how well you're doing stuff. Is everything in the right bucket and are your rules and regulations involving internal control compliance in place. Um also important to know if there's any accountants on the board. This is not done under GAP the generally accepted accounting principles. New Jersey being
special of course has a special purpose framework of accounting and it's actually a little bit more conservative than GAP which is a good thing. Um so what is why having one all local unit like I said are required by law uh to have an audit. It's a risk based audit
where we come in and our firm does only government account. That's all we do. We do 83 municipalities. because we try and figure out what the risky areas are until our audit program to address those areas. As you imagine, taxes, payroll, those types of things we're really
concentrating on. Um the purpose of the audit at the end of the day is to render an opinion on the financial statements and whether they're free from material misstatement. The report that I'm sure you guys have all memorized by this point in the front has we were just joking about You look at the back of it
as a content recommendations and whether your names are still read the report. But the reality is the most important schedule is is this opinion and basically we're telling all the readers of the financial statements which includes you folks the public federal and state government bond issuing agencies that everything is within
material in the state. You can rely on financial statements when you're making decisions particularly for instance when you're working on your budget. You can rely on the numbers that are in the order which is very very important and the kind of opinion you're looking for on that definition is unmodified. Okay, I'm happy to report you again you've got
an unmodified opinion. Most municipalities in the state of New Jersey do get an unmodified opinion but there are situations where we get a modified opinion. Everything's okay except for this you get a disclaimer opinion the records we can't satisfy ourselves as the record u in certain
areas or an adverse opinion where there basically is no record. Okay, you have an unmodified opinion which is the most important thing and so you can rely on the financial statements as a governmental unit. You're required to also report under gas generally accepted auditing standards where we have to go
in and look at your internal controls which is your local rules and regulations to make sure everything gets into the right bucket and to make sure that uh there's no fraud or the fraud is detected within a reasonable period of time. So you guys design your internal controls and we look at those controls, make sure they're suitably designed to
accomplish those two things and then we test them, make sure they're actually in effect. For instance, you guys will approve a bills list perhaps tonight. That's part of your internal controls. Signing off on a receiving state. That's part of your internal controls. So we make sure they're suitably designed, which they are, and then we test them and make sure they're actually in
effect. This is where we kind of get to the recommendations part of it. If there were recommendations in that second gas letter, you would see we would point out to you that there were problems with the internal controls. I'm happy to report no problems with internal controls. The second part of that uh second, the
report is on compliance. Again, we're in the state of New Jersey. There's plenty of compliance uh and the statutes and the administrative code. On top of that, federal federal regulations as well. Think about payroll filing for payroll taxes, all that kind of stuff. Bids is
another great example of compliance. So we're going in and we're testing certain elements to make sure you're in compliance with the rules and regulations. Again, this is an area that if you did have recommendations, it would show in this letter. Again, happy to report you don't do it. Uh last few
years, you also had an opinion on a single audit which is on your grants. You have over $750,000 either federal or state grants. You have to do additional testing and a lot of municipalities have had this over the last few years because of the COVID money working its way through. It's kind of through most of
our municipalities. Burnsville is a little bit smaller and so we didn't have you didn't reach that level. So you don't have a single audit this year and that level is actually going up to a million dollars next year. So chances are unless you have DOT money think you do have some projects coming up that could put you back into that single
order situation. You don't have that this year. Um so again this is pretty easy report for me. Okay. The records are in good shape. You don't have any comments or recommendations. Everybody kind of wonder about surplus a little bit. your surplus is just basically kind of holding steady both in your current
bundling and your utility, your sewer utility. So you're holding steady, which is important. Um you don't want to see the surplus trending down. Okay, I'm seeing in some of our towns that that's happening. Okay, a lot of folks are are encountering problems. Federal grants,
larger communities, urban communities, federal money's kind of drying up a little bit. That's really impacting things. Um so your surplus is good shape. You have milk comments and recommendations in your report. Um, but I'll take a moment here and stop and see whether there's any questions uh from
the governor. No, no, you have a good good group here. Leslie's not here, so I can't embarrass her. Leslie, how are you? I'll embarrass her a little bit. Cringe at all. She does a good job. Uh, fortunate enough that when we first came on here, Leslie was first
started. It's been really kind of gratifying to see her growth over the course of the years. But you've got a good team here. No doubt about it. They answer them for you. Obviously, we ask questions, we get answers. We don't give prank calls. And it's not simple, okay? I don't I come out and give the presentation, but my staff is in here
doing doing the work. And just imagine having to do your day-to-day work and somebody's just poking you every two months because we're here for the better part of three weeks, and it's not easy for them. Um, but you guys are going in the right direction. No doubt about it. And again, you'll go through this report. If you have any questions, you can reach out to me. I'll be happy to
come back. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks so much. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Hey, can you have this? Can I have them tonight? Yeah, but they're all nice people that Yeah, they
Yeah. So, thank you both for uh your consistent hard work and a lot. All right, we have minutes to approve from August 11th and August 26.
Confirm the minutes from August 11th, 202. All in favor? Right. Uh we do have our first opening session for this new member. This is a council meeting held in public. It is not a town hall meeting. It is not Q&A. It's an
opportunity for the public to make a statement. Um please stand on the X over there and keep your two minutes to three minutes and give your name and address. Anyone is there something?
There's one at the end. [Music] at the end here. I'll start with I file my paperwork for the Christmas tree and I'm going to you know follow up with state and insurance
policies. Okay. Yeah. are now um what is happening with the parking in the situation in our community? How is it being handled? I know it's not
being handled. So, can anyone answer that? Like I said, this is not a Q&A. We're not here to be grilled. um if you have you want to talk about it, you could probably make an appointment with um our administrator, but it's a much bigger thing than we can answer in the three minute time section.
Okay. Well, I'll make some statements. I I bought the ES building 40 years ago. I was told that I needed a a parking lot. I rented that parking lot for 40 years for 3,000 a month. You have an ordinance that you're not
abiding by in this town. There's not one building that's being taken the task on supplying the number of parking spaces that are needed for that particular business and property. So, I've paid that 3,000 a month for all
these years. And nobody's parked in that lot, but the neighbors that neighbors, you know, people that had parties and whatever, but I don't understand why I was singled out that way. They're parking in the library lot. They can't People want to go to the library, can't even get there.
Everyone's supposed to have their spaces, but no one has their spaces. So, the people that have businesses that have user spaces are being drowned out. There's no one getting any tickets. There's restaurants that are parking in
private properties without permission. They're parking on the road. They're parking on the sidewalk going in the oneway going the wrong way. So, what's going to happen when what's going to happen when the tunnels are all done and we have one hell of a great
line trains going back and forth to the city that nobody will have to go on the roads anymore. What are you going to do then? Where are they going to park? That parking lot, we always rented it. You had to pay for the spaces. Do you remember I got on the planning board for a little while and we came up with this
system that you have a business, you have to fill out the form. It was very simple. It wasn't the baloney of trying to go into the town and get approval and spend money on a lawyer, a planner, a traffic guy, and whatever. Like I spent
$55,000 on the salon over there to get an approval. I had parking. I had a building in commercial zone and we had to go through that that scenario. Isn't that the planning board? I don't think that's not you don't have any council.
You set the rules. You you you do the ordinances. Well, based on recommendations from the planning board. Well, is it any recommendation in short for town can't find a space that three minutes that people people businesses are
parking on 202 on the street so that customers can't come because their lots are being used by the restaurant in town. Okay. So, I want to say this too. We cannot put anything in the post office that I'm not the post office in the in the
railroad station. That's going to be the end of it. If you think you're going to put a restaurant in there, which we don't need to take up those parking spaces when we're going to have direct trains, I'm going to give it to you again. Direct trains going back and forth to New York City.
It's going to kill the the small businesses being killed right now. They can't even get deliveries in town. There's no place for the trucks. Your time is up and other people would like to speak. Okay, I can get up again. You have more to say. Oh, yeah. I have a lot to say.
Oh, there's somebody else. Yeah, Patrice raised her hand. You're destroying our town. Hi, my name is Patrice Cummings. I live at 34 Spruce Place in Burnsville. And I'm here to my husband's phone. I hope we are in the appropriate place,
but we were advised about an hour ago to come here to speak to you about an issue that we are having on our property at 34 spruce place. Um, we purchased the property in 1992. Um, and at that time, uh, it's about an
1.1 acre and I have all sorts of surveys and maps here if you need them, uh, to to explain. Uh there was a um at the time the septic system that was in place is a two tank septic system. Gray water that goes into the front yard from the
laundry and the um uh kitchen and then you have a black water septic tank on the side of the house that takes all the other waste and water from all the other parts of the house. Um the septic system was put in when the house was built by
the family before us um in 1967 and we still have the same septic system in part because we take very good care of it and we have it cleaned at the appropriate uh time frames for years and six years. six years for the successful
and um we uh want to put our h we wanted to put our house uh on the market because we purchased a home in Manisquan that we're closing on in October. So in July we went to an engineer Steve Parker of Parker Engineering in Somerville and
asked him to come up with a plan for us to do the septic and we got the initial plans verbally. We didn't get the the actual plans. Um, but the plan was to take the the pipes from the the graywater system, repipe them into the
black water system that we currently have, and then go all the way around the back of the property because there's a house and a pool on the property um, and go up on the side of the hill. That sounded reasonable to us, but we decided not to pursue at that moment because we
thought it would be better to try to sell the house without having the whole property dug up. So, we put the house on the market on September 19th, and I'm happy to report that it sold within 7 days. Wow. But, uh, when our real estate agent,
Cheryl Matalona, um, of Burnersville, um, took a look at the property and I, again, I don't know if you want to look at these. I have like, "Oh, okay. That's sufficient." Um,
Cheryl saw that there was a mason property that the engineer did not have homes. So, now we have a problem because in order to go um we we have four options. We can either go in the front of the property, which means that we have to dig up the driveway, the
walkway, the stairs, and the front lawn. And we have to somehow avoid the cesspool which has to be crushed um in the process of putting a new one. Oops. Okay. So So what you're you're asking us for is to be able to put the
um the two septic pipe in the proper ement. Right. And the I just one more point is that that easement was built in the 60s and in 2001 that street was extended and
there are now three drains at the end of Oakidge Road that take the drainage and uh go through the Orbines property and go out. There is no need for this easement. We didn't realize it was ever going to be an issue. I don't think we ever even realized we had it. So we
should have done this a long time ago, but there's no need for that easement. But even so, we're talking about 2-in pipe that will be 4 ft underground and uh covered with dirt. Otherwise, this $100,000 project is going to turn into
$140,000. So, I'm asking permission to put a 2-in pipe on the ement. Anybody have an issue with that? Uh I was what what kind of business is it? But again that street was extended and there were now three drainage.
You got a picture the drainage um from the end of Oakidge Road now pass now goes through um a large drainage pipe that goes through the Orbines property. That's the
old Fanti property that's behind us. It's three and a half acres and it drains out into the property um uh the Ottabon Society and that's a picture of the drain that comes out. No, I'm just saying so that's the
original easement when they they first build those first few malls. Yes. It's the only easement in the Kingsford uh Kings. That's correct. Uh I I forget what it's called. King's Arms. That's the development. Right. Go ahead.
I was just going to suggest I mean I just you know I mean without a lot more detail it's kind of hard for me to align on it but my recommendation would be as long as I think the we only have a town engineer but like the town you know the external town engineer they weigh in on it and say that they don't see any issue
with it. Uh Jack is okay with it from a legal legal standpoint that we're not it's not going to you know interfere with with what we're using that easement for. I don't have an issue with it in principle in the past
but I think this is required agent but I don't think that's necessary here I think but I agree with you that it should be yeah you think or comfortable
the engineer engineer Okay. So, how so what do we do? And can I ask the fine subject [Music] against students? It does not interfere with the draining
cons. So yeah, subject is approval. Second to the second. All in favor. Okay. So, we just have to get the engineered. Okay. Thank you very Thank you so much for being here. Um,
I'm McDonald. I live at 59 Anderson Hill Road and I'm a resident here, but I also an advisor to the environmental commission. I'm just quickly double checking that there is still a hearing about the disposal of the plant.
I didn't see it on the Thank you. three hours. Uh, what is the problem with what's going on with the lights in the center of town? The light post has been gone for eight months. The lights have been out for a
year. The timers that I asked for and sent the cut sheets on to the airbox to go into those panel boxes that the lights on when sun goes down, you could come up back on the morning. Why isn't this stuff being done? Why does it Why
do we have to go through a dark town? Why is it being handled when it's been talked about? I don't know where it's life. There's one in the Yeah, the triangle at the triangle that's been out for a year and a half. It's it's all the
lights there, but it looks like it's like a and the one down or I I You want me to call on it? Because I tell you something and everything, a
manufacturer. Why would we have But why it's I'll I'll get the dates from the guys when But why do we have to book pull into a dark town when when it's fall is coming? Why? Why aren't I people being ticketed in in the town parking in
illegal spots? Why aren't we going according to the time that you can park them? What are you going to do without the parking lots now that you you took them away and you you you built on or you had plenty of time to find land to build on? Where are these people going
to park? And and how how dummy how are the people going to turn out of that road coming out of that parking those parking? They need 250 ft of sight coming out onto 202 or coming out onto Mount Area Road. How are you going to
handle that? Are you going to jack the cars up and spin them around so then put them down? Okay, now you can go. Do have you seen the tractor trailers come down Mount Air Road and pull into the center of town and turn nose tonse
in the southbound lane and stop that traffic while their tires are on the sidewalks and coming around the corner not knowing who's on the sidewalk and up the sidewalk and past the bushes. So that's what you want to build there. That property right now should be
condemned and made a parking lot, a public parking lot because of all the parking problems that you created by eliminating the Mount Air Road, any other every other parking. What What are you going to do about parking? I'd like somebody to comment on them.
We have long-term plans, but there's not an easy answer, Joe. Not an easy answer. You're you're digging you're digging a bigger hole for us. How about the trucks that come into town, they can't park to unload? They stop in the middle of the street. When is that going to stop?
Where are they going to How else do they unload? Where where can they go for like the uh I mean talking about the restaurants? Yeah. There's no place else to unload. Then there has to be an unloading zone, right? Where
a hash mark out from the the deli up to the corner only for trucks and people delivering. Same thing going down by the burners in now. They come around the clean and they So, so, so you're not going to provide any parking or any rules to the
restaurants on or anything that's being delivered to our town. So, the traffic backs up and the traffic is getting worse. You can see the traffic stop from the Exxon all the way to town now. So, how you gonna see how you gonna deal with that? What's going on? New Jersey
Trans which which said the Exxon the center the traffic the exon down beyond shopping center the traffic now is backed up if we be here during the day
all the way to town now we call it okay I got I'll take I'll take pictures of it then I'll have it with you on 287 and everybody gets off and comes bird. So that's when it backs up. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.
I I got you free anatom system. You have cameras all over town. You pay nothing for it. Working at the train station. cameras on 202 at the railroad station on all these places that you're not looking at and taking care of the parking or the
tracker or the unloading. Nothing's being done and it's unsafe. Okay. Thank you. Yep. One thing to get an answer on. I'll take some notes, Billy. Anyone else like to be heard?
Jared, I think you're here about the the the monument. Yes. So, yeah. Why don't you do that now? I think it's on your agenda at the very end. That's very nice. Do I need to identify this?
Yes. Okay. Jerry Joe Kramer. I live at 320 Hards Gravel Road in Burnsville and in I am the chair of the historic preservation advisory committee. Yes, stand on the ranks justice. So,
sorry. This proposal was brought to us actually by Anthony. This man who lives in county named Spencer Head is uh a
historian about the Revolutionary War. It's his hobby, his passion. He found out the New Jersey Historical Commission in partnership with Revolution New Jersey is launching a series of state
historical markers for America's 250th anniversary. So we would like to be a part of it. Um this has to do with the New England troops that were marching here from they
had been in Tyonderoga. I'm not an expert on all of this. So but I all of it's in that material I gave to you and they weren't needed in that area anymore. So they came across the Hudson
and made their way south. And so the this proposal is for there to be markers at 14 different towns. And Bernardsville, formerly called Betown,
is among them. And I think your third your second page. Yeah, this is the first that shows you what these historical markers look like. Um, so in any case, three brigades of the New England Army,
um, Hitchcock, this isn't very long, so I'll read it all. Glovers from Massachusetts and Connecticut and sergeants from Massachusetts and New York. And the, uh, Hitchcocks were from Rhode Island, by the way. About 2700 men
under command of General Tor Lee arrived on Thursday, December 12th on their way to join Governor General Washington's army in Pennsylvania. Having marched all spring and summer, shoes were worn out. Because of this, many soldiers had their
feet wrapped in rags. Others wore the untanned hides of freshly killed cattle and some marched barefoot. They left a bloody trail in the snow and frozen ground and yet they persisted. They left along this road for pluckin on Friday,
December 13th. So our proposal is to put one of these markers between the firehouse and this burrow
hall. Um, the last picture shows you an area that we thought might be appropriate and it's not far from the firehouse. And the thought was that if somebody chose to park and read the marker, they
could use those spaces in the firehouse lot. So, um, we may be able to get this for nothing. they're going to give 14 markers and and if not um we will take
on raising the money for it. That's great. So that's that's it. And oh the other thing that Spencer Peek said that had this New England group not got to Washington Crossing that the
Revolutionary War would have been lost. Yeah. Apparently the so there really does us with with some pretty interesting stories and has done a lot of his research himself and not a lot of history on this 3,000 soldiers
reinforced Washington before the battle of Trenton and apparently a lot of the lost about a thousand along the way because of the weather and stuff but a lot of them were from Massachusetts and Rhode Island and they were fishing and those were the guys who ended up sailing
and you know getting him across to Delaware in order to do it. And if they hadn't been there, then theoretically they wouldn't have had the battle threatened and everybody all the children would have got home in a different place. Well, and I think you said if he they had taken this route, if they had gone a
different route, they wouldn't have gotten. That's right. That in a time one of the, you know, one of the like as the general, I think it was General, he got at White Tavern in Baxon Bridge and all this really interesting stuff happened, right? Oh,
absolutely fascinating. I thought ultimately maybe as a town we might all you know see who wants to participate and maybe we would do a you know caravan of course and do the whole
we're doing this revolution New Jersey 150 this would be a perfect do the nice thing the fact is basically doing all the work for all I think 13 or 14 of these Yeah, he's done all the leg work and doing all
the applications. I think really all the town. Were we all good with this? Yes. Yeah. Close to making more closures downtown. We talked a little bit about like the
that English like farm budge. I think folks felt that that was um you know wanting to take a little bit away from what it was for you know it is to edit. Um but you know I mean yeah I think this is a good place or maybe even you know
sort of like almost like in the park like in this area. So well you know close to the street if people can see it right but somewhere where they could park and we can determine. Yeah we're not that. Yeah. Okay. to the wall.
Yeah. Good. Somebody would pass on. Well, and then eventually, you know, depending what happens to the dam and the pond, you know, if this becomes a little bit more of a
an active part, see there on the rails. I think the idea was to keep it close to the street because it is street that they're walking that. Yeah, I think
we're good with the idea. Thank you. Thank you. Sign the letter. Okay. Um, yes. Sure. This is working. Rob Wilson,
it was just related to you and the the revolutionary war and so I guess he mentioned that as well. You may know that Ken Burns is coming out November 16th with six part series about the revolution. New Jersey, he's really distressing. New Jersey is part of that. So there may be
some sort of timing some of that you can show it in the paper. Yeah. I think it's being ripped out so but I get it but that would be great show on Zoom.
Okay. All right. And I will close the public session. Moving on to ordinances. I will open the public hearing on ordinance 2025 2026 amendment section 11-4 of the burrow's code entitled
registration and maintenance of properties foreclosure. Would anyone in the public like to be heard on this ordinance? Seeing none, I'm going to close the public hearing. Uh we'll start down there. Pass ordinance number 2025-206
on fire reading and adopt this as second. Roll call, please. Mr. Yes. Mr. R. Yes. Mr. Trainer. Yes. Mr. Mayor. Mrina. Yes. And now we have ordinances to introduce.
Um you want to read that one. Let's see. I move that ordinance 2025- 2027 requiring the payment of the Lincoln taxes as condition for the issuance of a municipal license according and supplementing and amending chapter 2 of the burough code entitled
administration be introduced by title passed on the first reading published according to law and then a public hearing be scheduled for a meeting beginning at 700 p.m. from May, October 27th. Second. Questions? No.
All in favor? Imposs. All right. I see. I move ordinance 2025-2028 amending ordinance 2024-3000 title an ordinance vacating a portion of
Bernardon's path which is outside the page roadway and sidewalk area and which is necessary for the construction of the affordable housing development at 63 Bernard's A by correcting the description of the area lake be
introduced by title grants on first reading published according to law and that a public hearing be scheduled for a meeting beginning at 700 p.m. Monday, October 27, 2025. A second. All in favor?
Oppos? Ordinance 2025-2029 an ordinance changing membership qualifications required for appointment to the Burnsville Fire Company. Uh number one, first aid squad and amending chapter two of the burough code entitled
administration be introduced by title passed on first reading published according to law and a public hearing be scheduled for a meeting beginning at 7 p.m. Monday October 27th second. All in favor? Any opposed? No. All right, moving on to
resolutions. um in 186 which was asking if we don't need to do that. So scratch 186. Um there
any questions? Any you want to have or discuss? They're all trying out the 178 for the fire hydrant. Um, we might need two. So, we're just
asking for the the resolution the altitude. There might be a need for one. Oh, yeah. 74. Oh, sorry. Um there might be a need for one at the
affordable housing on that side. There's definitely one plan. So if it turns out that we need a second. So we change the wording of up to
Yeah. Okay. On 174. Anybody else? Anybody agree with all those? Yeah. Sure. I move that resolutions 25-170 to 25-192 except for 5-1
be adopted. I'll second roll please. Mr. Zina. Yes. Mr. Mayor Traer. Yes. Mr. Ruth. Yes. Mr. Yes. All right. Mayor's update. Um, on August 28th, we
had the senior at school. Thank you to Tom and Stephanie for pulling that together. It was Priscilla's pantry who catered it. Um, I think we had a good time good time. Charlene provided VJ.
I think everybody had a good time and they asked for more more events. So, uh, I met on the 29th with the superintendent and business administrator and the board president at the school, um, the school district and to go over what they're doing for the
referendum. I have little Berser here. They'll do a and I believe they're coming in October to do presentation with their Oh, you got one already.
So this um it actually will be because they're paying down some of the old debt and replacing it with new debt. So there will be no change in their debt service. Um and they're getting I forget how much from the state as well.
So they're going to go through the details of all that. No, you can at the end. Okay. Um, I met with members of the U. Burnersville Law Enforcement Foundation,
um, Kevin Valentine and Chris Schmidt, just to talk about what they've got going on in the future, um, how well they're doing, and it's been a they've really done a tremendous job so far in supporting the police. So, uh, you'll be
hearing more of what's coming up with them. We had the ribbon cutting at the library. Okay. I think it was there. Um I think you were there Christine. Yeah, it was a whole new inside redo.
Yeah. Charlie. Yeah, they they did a beautiful job on that. Um I want to thank Christine and Fran for the 911 ceremony since I wasn't here. So, thank you for putting the time in to do that.
We're having we're getting featured again in Business View magazine. Um, if you recall, they did a feature on us last year, but now that we have become a transit village, they wanted to update it. So, we'll I had an interview with them. Um, so hopefully that'll be coming
out pretty soon. What's the What's the publication again? It's Business View magazine. Yeah, they had done us. I think they had done Allen last time in um for New Jersey. I think they do
a number of uh I I think it's only online, but they did a really nice write up on us last time. Bag for hunger at ShopRite. We've done that four or five years now, I think. U Thank you, Gina and Al and uh Sap was
there as well. So, that's always fun. um they raised a lot of money for uh this food banks. I also had an interview with uh New Jersey DOT for an article they're doing on the trans village
designation as well. So we're going to get a lot of publicity in this. Uh I had a meeting with Flash Folk. We're working on the next survey um to come out hopefully in the next week or two. simple I think on community priorities
and then we'll work we're going to be doing one for budget so that before we start working on the budget we can get some input from the public um we had the taste of our town on Tuesday and we had 170 people there Rich
was there um Charlie was there uh was really I've heard nothing but good feedback on that we're just waiting to see what the how to be ready for the fire company. So, I did have that for the next meeting and I did as my job as a liaison with
the fire company. Had a meeting with uh the chief and one of the board members and we're working on uh all those items that the um I forget what a lot of them are, but they're they're giving us a list of,
you know, the the capital projects they need. and so me really doing well and you know communicating better with them. So thank you for uh suggesting that and that's my report.
Um Lance, do you have anything? A couple things I did not uh update the last things. Uh I just wanted to mention I don't think we talked about it the last time. New
Jersey American water is going to be replacing the water theme. I think the boil um center prospect with the homemade red um they I believe they have 2 in that
are increasing 4 in and they're starting started I believe today and I think it goes all the way in January. They ultimately have to go they get trenched down at the end of Bland 30 down and go under the tracks.
Yeah. To be able to access the water. Um and that probably that part won't probably in January because they transit one minute. So
all of the residents were supposed to be notified last week. Why do you do it in the corner? Um it will probably delay our paving side of project for that neighborhood because yeah we have can't do that at the same
time. Um and then later meeting one of the discussion or new business about uh paving is the county will be painting there in spring. So hopefully more out than that, but we'll we'll get to that.
Um then the other thing is just today I actually received the updated cost of the uh dam removal and um it is 3,470,54925. Um approximately 400,000 of that done to
stabilize the bank. It would be something that we added last year. Um we really think that it needs to be done in all the engineers think so and it makes sense right up by the parking lot
where the work goes. Um, so we would like to include that extra 400,000 which is included in the number I just gave you. Um, as you know, we'll bring in 500,500,000
grant. Um, we're keeping our eyes open to others and um, I just wanted to make it clear because I did have a resident. We did bond for we did bond or this for $1.3 million 2021
and 7 million Great. So we, you know, brand more than but I told you I told them they knew that I'd let you know when I
got the outreach that that So that's we is it still go though to do that work or that it has to be bid. So it has to be bid. So that's So who gave that? That's our engineer engineer
the engineer working on probably presentation. Yeah. Uh years ago. So theoretically again it goes out it could last or more.
Do you think Mary Faceman would come and do another presentation? Yeah. or like an update of something. Yes. Yeah. The state the whole was triggered a requirement from the
state to replace the van. So if we don't finish it within a certain time frame, are they going to say you're over time or do we have to ask for an extension? Um the permits have end date on them. So
we have to be done by the end date of the permit. We're still by the way waiting for the wetland. So they issued one and gave us you know talk started kicking but they don't have the other one. that I made before me. So
I think we'll be fine as long as the dead. Yeah. So van safety is not going to compensate. Why is this damn solution? No, I think that the only issue for but Mary can
be back. And I mean essentially since the price has doubled or tripled even since we first started talking about this. I think it was 2.3. Yeah. And they said we're going to get
grants to cover the whole thing essentially which we're not getting anywhere near that. So I'm just thinking that are are we does does the council still want to continue down the path given the given
the cost? I know I brought this up at the last meeting too, but like there's obviously all the people on council now as well. What is our deadline? The difference would be if the cost went up for removing it, I would assume the cost went up for
repairing it. So I think we're still in the same position when we made the decision. I was going to say what kind of do we know about what kind of and it would be kind or the next decade let's say if we were to be the way it is and we're allowed to
we can't keep it well when when is that we have to either fix it and bring it up to code or it's got okay I know I naive but I also want to understand why it's 3.4 That's a damn
dam like a small dam like it's now like maybe the um the whole department is also part of it is I mean you have to start way down like you don't just lift the
dam out, you know, there was a whole process of repairing the the brook further down and little by little. So, it's not just, you know, come in with a crane and lift it out. There's a lot of um engineering grade
work as I remember them explaining how long it would take it. Yeah. Because it's it you have to anticipate how it's going to impact down the stream. I think if we could ask her to come and present. Yeah. And I think she's glad.
Yeah. I mean, I just like to understand what what what it entails. Well, I mean, just give you a quick overview. mobilization and demobilization as they happen right now.
Um bring it in the equipment. The primary dam removal concrete masonry removal disposal off site is 250,000. The concrete hauling disposal from main
dam uh to disposable site within 10 miles is 360,000. Sedimenting and disposal. That's the B. 673,000. [Music] Um it just buries
she could the sentiment if she could come and kind of do a comparison the first time she and how like for each one what the old class was and what it is now and why it
is inflation it's inflation But that doesn't seem maybe more of the disposal because that has become much stricter than it used to be with disposing of and then you've got to test all the soil and
continues that option bus like in other words do the minimum requirement by the state in terms of being in compliance with their rule for the state and then worry about the rest
later. So it's like a million per year over three meetings or something. doesn't seem to me like there's an efficiency to you know like she's you know like all of that you do one thing with that project it has a
knock on effect you know you couldn't like you know like the you know save some light on you know for later on it's quite a process that I think I think we need her to expire it we're kind of shooting in the dark
it's a big number and I mean maybe parts of the you know and if a lot of it is part of like um recating the pond and and doing the landscape of the park which is great too some of that you could do potentially with like fundraiser naming rights you can put like
cobblestone so there's things we could do along those lines too and I think it's also involving you know redirecting the stream on both ends we have to there's a lot of street so I have a million so I could come And
yeah, could have been less. But I think if she could, especially because we have new people, I'm going to go through what this process involves before we start kind of planning it out. Department welcome reports. I'm to accept second months. Second. All in
favor? Any opposed? All right. Uh correspondence. We did we had a letter um about the city drive extension and you know if it's a private road then the people that live there are responsible
for buying their own signs. So that's not our responsibility. They ask for a sign. Um they know that firsthand. [Music] Um unfinished business. Uh you want to do you take that uh the five
minutes? Yeah. I'll make it fast. Um I'll make it fast. Uh the county has been um investigating for the last few years. Uh the five pointers
um might come out clear. Um and as you know there's only stop signs on our streets but Claremont is county road and they have determined that they would
like to put stop signs on either end of county road when it goes sideways south. Um and they determined that they destroy the road pedestrians and motorists and they would need you to um introduce an ordinance adopt an ordinance in and so
do they in order to do that. The mayor and I uh and the police chief met with them um and then the the chief and I met again with them and um you know this is their recommendation. and they performed the studies and this is
what they think is the most uh the safest alternative as well as most crosswalks on it seems pedestrians there but supposed to get you know a pedestrian
enclosure They well they can't do both. I I don't think they ever approved that. I think that was in awe study but I don't think they ever approved it. Um and they said they can't do both the south side. I do have a concern that when there are
visibility issues in that intersection. Um, yeah, but I do worry that getting rid of the only straightaway, which is the county road, which is Plain Mountain through that strip, I think, will like it'll almost get rid of any order that that
intersection has, which is like that, you know, you can go straight up, you know what I mean? It is like you know coming up my now is there's some visibility issues there you know which you know maybe we can speak you know with whether private land owners or whatever you know we can you know just have a community discussion
we have to stop somebody to um to adjourn this meeting for now in order to have the uh major disposal public park landing this meeting.
All in favor? Okay. So, now we are having a hearing. You want to And actually what um this is a piece of property on um
field that was paved that was actually part of our opal space. So what um Green Acres has asked us to do rather than try and reclaim it because it's not really a useful parkland is swapping it with
property at um we have a new address. I always forget the name 27 27. Um it's taken a very long time through Green Acres procedures to get this all done. But this is the process
we have to go through to do this. So that's why we're having this hearing. So it sounds awful to say disposal and people have thought we were getting rid of the part completely. It's just a doing this swap and the building will
compensate the borrow for the other property you have to purchase pretty much. Okay. So that did I get that right? Yes. Yeah. about 10 years ago survey only parks in capable space.
Yeah, we did it. We made sure it got done. every field orange so just wanted you to and we had four surprises we don't surveys the two parking areas on blue road actually part
of food they were pretty easily resolved neighbors did not allow us to exclude them recreation open space inventory but they did say that since they've been parking there since the 1930s the public within
those the two more difficult ones were the parking area behind Mr. Ross's building and the parking area behind road. So Jess had called Jessica Patter been very helpful throughout this long
process. In any event, the proposed solution was that the burrow would sell those two lots to Mr. Rossi K who which owns the Lego property
in return that money would go into the open space trust only. We had to buy part of 271 mind not open space trust. It was it was done generalities
but the conviction is bad. that part that we purchased with general funds is still going to be part of the same part. And if we had a survey, we had a market, but the end result will be 271 is going to be all park with those two parcels
where the parking lots are budlo and Russy which were never no one ever knew on the other side of the stream. We had to satisfy green acres that we could not use those in any way as part of
the it just wasn't feasible and it didn't make any sense. So they came up with this idea as I said we could purchase part 271 get reimbured by and
we we had to provide a area photographs surveys appraisals for both the parking lots of portion on 27 road all kinds of things to jump through much to do
purpose disposal which is the mayor said sounds worse than it is because you're not really giving up anything or giving up when we never use can't use for parking the new parking 27 mind broke which will be the substitute for
okay Christie did you want to be part on this now we need we need transparenc Hi, Christine McDonald 59 Anderson home road and um I am also an adviser to the
Environmental Commission. Um I'm also a local in that area. So I walk my dog around there, I see the sign and you know I'm interested in what's happening. Um, so it sounds like uh a good idea given that this is, you know, damage
that was done historically filling in the area around the mine brook, which is very important to keep as a buffer on Spring. Um, but it's it's done. Um, and you know, I I have a few questions though about the kind of exchange that's
occurring here. Um, one of the questions, um, and you know, we have to do our due diligence as the environmental commission and comment and question exactly what is occurring here. Um, so the first question is, and some
of the paperwork I've looked at, I haven't had a lot of time to review everything. It it said something about there was no financial exchange infirmary, but then I did see that there was. So is so Rossy um LLC is it LLC
and the LLO um owner I don't know the name of that company are providing over $40,000 that's correct based on success okay and that's the municipality to the
open space fund okay um and that sounds good is that fair market value. Yes. Okay. It would be interesting appraisals that appraised all three properties. Okay, that's great. Um and then the question is the money that's it's being
applied to purchase park land at 271 um Mineberg Road which was already purchased. So you're just basically putting this back in the coffers of the open space fund to reimburse the municipality to be
used for other open space acquisitions. That's correct. Okay. Right. Sorry. So that means it can be used to buy other open space. Yes. Or for improving the existing space. Any of the purposes that we need are open space just on the floor.
Okay. Okay. And that kind of that's great. than that. I mean, improving open space, stewardship of open space. Some of our open space is not necessarily being it's it's more path of recreation or it might have ecological benefits to the municipality like a buffer on on the
stream helping to prevent flooding downstream, helping to absorb um polluted runoff from storm water. Um so those are other benefits. Um which you know kind of leads to a couple just a
couple comments heard. So in the um some of the documents I saw said that the the land behind um or on the other side of the mine Brook from Claremont Field was not really serving any purpose. So I think that we should start with this is a more
of a kind of advisory thing that it did serve a purpose as a a buffer for the stream. Um so that is a public good. Um you know absorbed in the storm. I think that we should amend some of our verbiage about that. Um can I just say
neither will be able to expand the parking existing areas as is. Oh great. So that was that was just that
um there need to be just um I guess in the paperwork of this transaction there should be something stating that the buffer which is already over the 50 foot. There's supposed to be a 50 foot vegetated buffer for the whole area is
paved pretty much. Um that there need to be in place some sort of um requirements that there won't be any more loss of buffer there. Um, but also a concern I want to raise is that there's runoff
that comes from the parking area. So if any vehicles are leaking gas or oil or anything um or any other chemicals that those could go right into the stream. So are there any ways to mitigate that potential issue um given that the most
of the vegetative buffer has been removed? With respect to the first part of the question, the fees that will convey the property to low house doesn't have restrictions on any further development. Okay. As to how we can mitigate any car.
Okay. That may be something to consider, Mr. Ry. Well, I mean, yes, the but don't forget the liy field wasn't there. We filled that in as as a young guy working. He filled all that in and that's how that was. He went up to the Brooklyn and we're
filling it in. I was a young kid. You know the license just license and we we had no deal there. So that that piece of property was there the way it is. So it was built on actually I was 20 something years old and supply was siding there. But any
that uh there's very little runoff there. I have a truck coming down a driveway and everything's piped, but the trough catches any rain coming down the driveway to that lower parking lot. So, the only thing that runs off and half that parking lot is covered. It's an
underground rock, you know, and so it's just that surface area and then it runs into a maybe a 10 to 12 14 ft of of of grass and and mulch and stuff before it hits the ground. So I don't see anything
that you know I don't see any oil spots or anything dripping on that area. So and that's not just you. It's also the Lelo property. So hopefully they have a lot of trucks parked there in vans and things. So hopefully Yeah, they're on gravel. They were
there, you know, but I I'll potential to install the parking lot is never full. I have never seen that parking lot fully the behind your building the other building. Is there the potential to install um some sort of
green infrastructure to capture some of the runoff and filter it before it gets to the screen to take away notes right away. There was somebody dripping away. There people in and out. We're going to build a new handicapped
entrance back there with the handicap people, but a lot of people park in the front wall. But so that's my thing of is there a potential to take away some of the parking lot and replace it with a little more buffer or um green
infrastructure like a raining garden um insulation behind. Yeah. Similar to the rain gardens that we see in town that we've put in the library. And so it just captures the water and allows it to slowly infiltrate into the
ground vegetation. The vegetation helps take out the any problems. Um well those are my comments um because we do want to submit written comments. So I just wanted to double check some of these things and I'll include these
discussions as well just that there could be green infrastructure there and to capture the runoff from that parking lot together to make sure that we'll put cameras there check out what's going on but I've never seen any so if there's
something in the perimeter of it that goes into the meats of the grass there's something that maybe we could check Okay. Um, and I wanted to ask one more question. Um, other than the issue of green acres, has it been addressed that
the buffer was filled in by within the, you know, regulated with of the stream? We came to the D and they didn't investigate the issues. I didn't throw anything in. Yeah. The pave.
Did you put the building? I built the building. Oh, that was paved in 1930. Wow. That paid paid by contractor that I sold the material. I was 20ome years old and made it. Okay. I'll tell you. I sold him.
No, I understood there. But the but the map that's there right now. All right. Thank you very much. Okay. Thanks, Kristie. Yeah.
Okay. Um, anyone else want to be heard on this? Just a couple words. Is my head the chairman of the environmental commission, Rob Wilson. Joe, thanks for your comments and appreciate what you're doing there. Great to hear that uh coming from
someone who owned property there. Really appreciate that. Great to text you. Thanks for your work on the um finding that. That sounded like a little piece of work that didn't yield a lot, but it's good to get that sorted. It's nice to make even a dollar into that fund.
So, really appreciate that. Um, and talking about thanking people for that the uh from the resident on the the dam. That's great. Uh, but yeah, I just wanted really my question is not so much specifically related to this, but
more open space in general. We've talked about that on the environmental commission and I know that's been going Rich and I had a conversation on the environmental commission with his good work as leaison. Um so just encouraged to hear this activity that's going
around and would like to continue that sort of forward momentum and start to live into those uh promise I don't say promises I guess the voice of the community were heard saying that they wanted trails and paths and open space and whatever and um you know there's a
couple bucks in the open spa uh the green pond or the open space I don't know exactly what it's called and it would be great to see that but to get used keep our welcome community local. So just to encourage that to happen. Do we I don't know if I can ask questions
but with the open space fund or the open space sort of management is there a formal process I can't remember if I wrote to you mayor or others but there is um there's something rec committee I know that not not the dollars so much just the
management of those dollars. Yeah, we uh recreation was and public was charged with maintaining the um the path and trails and there is a trails committee underneath um recreation
that usually they check them. Yeah. Car's on that. They'll periodically walk the trails and if there's a tree down or they'll clean them, but if there's something that they can't do physically, they'll call um public works to help out. Something has to be That's good.
Maybe I didn't say this correctly though and I I don't want to open this giant can of worms. It's clearly something everyone knows what's behind that statement which is that that big open body of land not too far from here. But add to that or before we get to that is there if something else came up that
would be the committee that would determine what to do with it. Okay. But process you're talking about management. Yes. probably like committee that would make recommendations spending
that would be recreation we need space we folded them into recreation because they you know they met like a like and maybe needed as a formal like regular committing or something like
that but people knew and makes sense to at least have maybe a representative of the environment commission with the commission sort of like if we need it at some point we need to do anything at this point but just
that concept of that being both you know and environmental right an opportunity if you're aware of because some of you know members might be aware of probably that might make good open space, you
know, to go the recall one that that Nancy and I discussed, but it's probably a bit problematic, but there's 37 North Down the road, which is where the ATM used to be. It's really small. Love the pocket park idea. Kills me that we lost that other one, the TD Bank across the street.
Yeah. And we lost friendlies. You know, there's a couple of really nice areas that have been great. You started green space in 2000. Um, but I know that one has some [Music] an appropriate topic for the master plan
which I believe is about to be re-examined. There's a re-examination five year. So there is an open space I think you know plan. So that's a good time to have a lot of different stakeholders weigh in where they think
from master plan standpoint we should be allocating the fund in the future. And actually it's a combined open space and recreation book. Yeah. So we they offic this is just a hearing on this piece of
property right close this and go back committing to develop that property to get it got dealt with all the other fields on the building. We got a driveway driveway.
Nobody can get there. I think anyone else wants to be heard this week. Are you there, Timothy? I am. We hear you. There you go.
Am I there? Okay. Hi, Kathy Peachy, 70 Chilton Street. Uh, I make my apologies right away because I'm listening with very old speakers and so enabled my closed caption. But for example, um,
closed caption, the interpretation could be somewhat confusing. For example, handicap came up as people in the app and green a green acres came up as three acres. So, I'm
going to do the best with what I think I read. So, um, I would like to know if the swap in any way encourages the anticipated high-rise, well, I say high-rise by Burnazil standard, 5 and a half story
apartment development applications along Claremont Road. Um, or if it in any way this swap acts as a gateway to that development. No, no. No connection, Kathy.
Oh my gosh, it says you see it, Mom. So, I don't know. You're So, I I'm gonna um I'm gonna close out and just listen, but I I'll do my best to read the closed caption as well. Thanks.
Thanks. All right. Um, I will close the public hearing on major disposal of parkland. Um, somebody move to reopen. I'll move to you. Reopen. All in favor?
So, now we're back to our regular agenda, which we have one item with new business left. Sex stops. Was it more? That was Yeah, I kind of agree.
I'm just Yeah, I'm just I do really, you know, love that. Look, you know, I'm I'm glad that they're trying to take a little bit more interest in county roads that are integrated into local communities like, you know, where most people don't even realize it's county road some others in town. Um, I just
think getting rid of the only semblance of intersection with the one straight away I think is Again, I think I think when it comes to, you know, more pedestrian pieces, you know, blackard, you know, I think or again, if we need to talk to
certain land owners, are, you know, private landing trees is there something that is sensitive. Well, there are trees that there are trees, but they're not in the right. No, I No, they probably have to agree then the county will take them down. They're too
big. Is the county going to talk to you? I'm just concerned that if you know when everybody's stopping they'll you'll be so focused on who goes next that you need to look at pedestrians.
It needs to be a controlled inter. Yeah, I think that's the problem. Yeah, but the people coming from Anderson Hill on mine to that intersection never stop at the stop sign like you can't do. We can't because you can't
stop. Yeah. I mean I make that turn every day school and every I'm like are you going to stop at at all? I stop in the middle of them because they're so far in the road that you have to stop.
Exactly. So you have to stop in the middle of the road and there is no stop. So that's not safe either. I think there's been a few accidents on So you're probably not an expert because you wouldn't have that's the
specific you know, they were asking our opinion the chief and I and I said, "I'm not an engineer. I did not study the chief as well." She's like, "I'm for whatever." I said, "Look, don't ask my opinion because
I'm just a regular woman. I'm not an Indian, you know, same with all of us." Not an Yeah. So I you know I I will say one thing is those the uh whoever lives on the corner mountain and Claremont
would have to agree and take the tree down because they're not here. They're not a commercial business right there some kind of construction company that's there. Okay. So that helps visibility because
that's one of the things that they um like they need to not let people park up that road. Yeah. Like if you park in front of the board, there's got to be a point where you
can't because you can't see around those either. So the odd thing and I don't know maybe you can talk. So they basically said we want but yet we have to pass the warning. So
I'm not really sure how that how this would be the principle county used to require tax to the confirm their traffic then they stopped and said you can't do it and in my opinion it's probably better to have it
as well than rather confined you know county. So, I think it would be important even if we didn't adopt the ordinance, but tell them we won't adopt the ordinance until they spoke to the owner to get the trees down. Tell them I'm not adopted
there all the time going through the buildings and it's it's from the bookworm there. There's two or three. Yeah, it's those spots going be at least three cars back before you can park.
Yeah, that's definitely not the company because of that. Yeah, there's really but the but the no parking sign is in now. So, there's literally buses that are driving on the opposite side of the street because the cars are there.
I've tried to talk to the chief about it a few times in public safety, but then we stopped their meetings. So, yeah. We need Yeah. No, I know. I It's just It's been out there. I just don't know what the chief has done, if anything, since then.
Yeah. Yeah. That's the person I'm hearing. Yeah. See, we sort of intersection and the road is too narrow to get a car there. Yeah. So, We'll wait on that one.
Okay. And then uh the other thing I've mentioned earlier was the uh paving county is paving now heard from from prospective 202 and um they want to know
if we would like nighttime paving um and talk to the chief and uh to the CBW director and we would prefer nighttime paving because uh this is like hopefully we get done by then but
this is the area where RPM is building the you know building their main thoroughare yeah it's a major pool their businesses um hopefully new water will be done by
then but we'll be doing more work by then they hope that is the strength so um We would recommend that we do a little absolutely cross. It's mount to the center.
It's not hard. How long you say they take two nights? Yeah. Wait till the construction's done and the entrances get No. Do we have any control over time?
Anyone? Yes. No. No. But I mean, I don't know what I don't know where the building, but those big trucks do kill the road for sure.
All right. Let me just say about it with RPM and the big trucks that they've got there if they newly paved it and then they and then going to bring all their equipment. It did bring it to their attention that it was a building
spring 26. Is that what they said? Yeah. Yeah. So [Music] that's when they that's when it was six months later. Okay. Yeah. All right. for our second office
session. We built sidewalks. We built that county to build the wall the way we wanted, not the way they wanted, but they never finished the sidewalk that went from the end of the wall there. The walls ended
all the way to um to to uh Basking Bridge. So, our kids can go to the to our Y that we built. A lot of people from here felt that. So we want that the county and they said if we want it
done we need to do it ourselves. Well you know what they promised that back then. Don't forget when they came here they wanted to put concrete wall here. We said no. I said no you're not doing that. You're putting stone walls and I got them company to do those stone walls. Then they said they weren't going to change the poles and I said no you're
not doing it. And I got the new poles and new wiring and new drainage and the steps they didn't want to do. They did. So they didn't like it and and the mayor was there at the time and the other guy whatever. But we if you don't ask, you don't get. You know what I say to them? Hey, I had a meeting with them the other
day on the on the water situation coming off the mountain. The water's flowing off the mountain coming down through the the Claremont road and it's going through the opening in the vio and it's flooding through that through that area and going and meeting the water coming down from sceni and it's swirling around
and probably it's causing erosion. So I called the county they sent guys up they started studying it all and they said you got a mess here because you got all the water. I said that's nothing now they got trees down. You have trees down in the in the in the soil that grows under the that I cleaned out a couple years ago. Remember when I cleaned up
underneath the railroad, all that stuff that was flooding the town for how many? I called them. I came in. We came in. We saved our money. We didn't pay for it. We cleaned it all out. Remember when the when the Did you get fined from the DP for doing that? No, we didn't because there was a little
problem. I can't talk about the problem, but we got it for free. Okay. Wasn't more than our problem. it was their problem. But what I'm saying is that we need to start looking at all this stuff. I mean, there's so many things going on, you know, and and
nobody's doing anything about it. So that's that's that that's that's an issue. Joe, you wanted to talk about the referendum, I think, before the school tried to Yeah. is trying to put something. So the referendum, so I'm upset, too. We
we the people of Vernonville built little league built the polar lower polo upper polo Evan cow we put it together and because of our
friendships we built all this stuff at and and when you look at it for nothing you got the best of the best and sometimes they didn't listen. And they didn't listen like on the county. I I went to the county. I bought the county to get a turf field. So then
they removed me from the committee. And so they removed me from the committee. And guess what happened? We got the turf field, but no drainage. So for the environmental people, all the other Evan cow is totally
drained, totally sprink. But the council spec on that we got to go start looking back at what has to be done. The upper field this relate to this is because they have no money going towards
fields and they have used our fields. They're using all of our fields every day and we're not getting anything for it. And so we use their buildings. We use the gym. We use the classrooms for camp. We pay for it. You pay for it in our
taxes. No, it's the same money. No, it's not the same money. The fields have to be maintained in the right safe way. They have to be drained properly, fed properly. We need the bathrooms. I'm moving forward on that. I'm going to get
portables that you walk up. This is crazy. Burners in New Jersey, but no bathrooms at the fields. We're We're working on that. We're bringing in a Yeah, I know. How many years? How many years? It's so easy to do. But what they use our fields and and nobody's feeding
them. You stop using the synthetic. They stop feeding the weed killing. They stop feeding them when they're supposed to be fed the grubbing. So So what's going on? And then you got to go up there with no then the traffic comes, the buses pull in there and pull anywhere and there's
cars all over. You know, it's it's not right. So we want to put a committee together and we're going to start laying things out. We're going to open that that that property up down there so we can get into it. And there's parking lots and they could at least use the property to
go lay on the lawn, walk the trails. All right, your time's up. We can do that in We can lay it out and do it in no time. You know what I'm saying? Who's we? Me and I I'll put a committee together and and we we'll present you with
everything that has to be done to get us to fact to where we're protecting what we built. what we invested in the pool. I go to the pool, the bathrooms are dirty. They they plugged the uh the sewer line. It was plugged. They didn't call rotor routters. They hired a they brought the back hole up and broke the
pipe. Then then they said started looking at the water. Where why isn't there a water running in the Why is there no pressure? Oh, the wall's not working. I call why the wall working and get the wall working. No, they said they didn't know what the wall doesn't doesn't work. Why didn't they clean the bathrooms? They were the stalls were
black. I said, I I sent you a quote here. $2,600 every night for the season a month to clean like we did when we had the pool. But we can't do that. I mean, it's part of the burrow. You know, we have to get
clean boats. You know, that stuff. We have to get bids to do big jobs. Yeah. What do you mean? We ran the pool and we had the kids clean the bathrooms. Not a commission anymore. Recreational pool was a commission. They could do it separately. Now it's a committee. Oh. So, so do you have a committee to
clean the bathrooms here? We actually we've hired them for every day instead of spont. No, there's so many things. The downtown is this. Don't work yourself up over this stuff. Honestly, it gets you nowhere. The curves. Remember I told you about
the curve? The curves are all peeling. You know why the curves are peeling? Because they cook the concrete. I told them you're putting the concrete. But the barrel's spinning and nobody's pouring. They didn't listen to me. You see all the foot see all our curbs are all exposed the stone it's taking on
moisture you see the the settlement of the of the papers to the people are tripping over into the street I mean come on everything Joe I will follow up with Nancy and so I'm I'm willing to be on a committee
to work out all these problems okay like I did I was involved in every single field, whatever. I I want to say going to the thing. You tell me why we built every field for nothing. I even did drainage half
the price or a third of the price or whatever at Little League. Little League was my grandfather's property and sold it to the town. My mother sold to the town for 25,000. We cut the trees. We built the place or whatever. Why can't we get any money to buy them clay? Why is there Why do they have to
pay 25,000 for clay? Why do our fields not be taken care of when we have the school and whatever? Where is the money going for the people that are coming and renting our fields? Where is that money going? It can't go into the general fund. It should be going right into the
field fund. Where's it going? General fund. Huh? General fund. General fund. Why? Fields fund. There's no utility anymore. But what I'm saying is that you have a category then the feel anything that
goes on up there should go we built the snack bars. We built the pool. We built the other pool. The other day I saw them couple months ago I see them ripping the heater out of the pool and throwing it away. They put a heater in that pool for the younger kids.
What is going on? I mean it's like craziness. All right. Um motion for executive. I'll move into executive s executive. Sorry.
Uh we are not coming back. But no, we're not coming back. You want me to become the executive? No.