Call the meeting. >> Roll call, please. >> Here. >> Mr. Barl, >> here. Mr. Lee, >> here. Mr. Brown here. Mr. Trainer here. Mr. Yeah, >> right up here. >> Notice of this meeting was provided to the Barnesville News and Courier News
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right, that's out of the way. Now we get to the good stuff. >> All right, Chief, I will turn it over to you. Hey. Um, we bought a little extra security to get out. [laughter] Um, before I introduce our our newest hire, I'd like to thank the mayor
council for allowing us to be here tonight. Nancy, thank you for all your help and trust. Um, our newest hire, Justin Carluchi. Um, Justin comes to us as a graduate of Randall High School where he was a uh honorable student with
a 3.8 grade average. He went on to Setinary College where he made the deans list with a 3.6 grade average. And he recently graduated from the Morris County Police Academy. Um it was about two weeks ago, right? We attended graduation. Um so I'm happy to announce
Justin Carlia, the next police police officer in the burrow of Burnersville. Um he has family members here. Um, I'd like Justin to let us know who who you're going to have swear in and if you want to introduce who you're going to go ahead and then I'll turn it over to Anthony to do the show. So,
welcome aboard. Thanks. Um, I have I'll probably have my dad and grandma, my dad, grandpa, my other grandpa, my brother. >> [clears throat] >> Nice to meet you. >> I just do solemnly swear. I just do
solemnly swear. for constitution of the United States and the state of New Jersey. That I will support the publication of the United States and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and the government established in the United States. the government
established in the United States and in this state under the authority of the people. >> This state under the authority that I will faithfully and partially and justly and that I will faithfully and partially and justly >> perform all duties and patrol and according to the best of my ability all
duties and patrol accordingly. >> And that I will not use my office to grant you. use to treat personal gain, favor, or advantage. We'll deceive personal gain, favor, or not available to the general
public. Not available to >> Congratulations. Thank you. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. I appreciate you. Thanks, sir. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. >> Congratulations.
Anybody wants to start? Okay. Go ahead. All right. Um, moving on. Uh we do not have an
for that. Uh we now have an open session for the public to um address the council for any items that don't have their own separate public area. So any general comments
if you I know the X is missing. So we used to have a spot where stand but >> that's right. I I'm a teacher and I've been to many a board meeting and I've spoken there. So I'm this is pretty pretty much >> your name and address. >> So my name is Patty Richardson. I live at one Prospect Street in Burnersville.
I have been a resident of this community for over 20 years and I do so proudly. I would like to know what is going on with the redevelopment uh with Prospect and West and the
sidewalks the um curving. We have utility markings. They have been here, there, and everywhere, but nothing seems to get done. We have done our due diligence. We have since taken down a very large tree because there's supposed
to be sidewalks coming across the front of our property. We did so in good faith because we wanted to make sure that people would be safe because probably all of that root system is going to be compromised. So, we did our part.
When are we going to have this executed? It It's been Peter Robbing to pay Paul down the line. This has been going on for five, 10 years. So, when is this actually when is this work actually going to get done is is my question
because we are greatly affected. We had someone come to our home say that they were going to be doing some testing um of the drainage system, whatever. And this was supposed to start April 1st. We're well past April 1st.
Our lives are being inconvenienced. [snorts] And because we don't live on West, our our front door is on Prospect. We don't get notification half the time. So we find things out like peace meal.
So when is this project going to come to fruition? We have all of this uh you know building here there and everywhere but enough is enough. When is it our turn to have the the redevelopment and the the the beautifification of our part
of town? That's my main question. >> Which project is this? This is the West and Vland sidewalks and street um reconstruction. So I I can't give you an exact date. We're dependent on the contractor. We had a
delay from D. They did do test fits like you were saying. >> Yes. >> Right. So I guess they're waiting for the result of that. Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. He was waiting for the um uh great uh grading to come in like the caps for the drain to come in. So as
soon as they in >> um that work will be done and you should be getting as much notification as your neighbors. So I have your address and I will make sure that he that the contractor includes your street in all
the notifications. >> Okay. But unfortunately, you know, we keep hearing this, but nothing the contractor, the contractor, the contractor, the contractor. And so like, >> well, I mean, this department's investigation and it wasn't the
contractor. Plus, we also we we delayed in the beginning because you were inundated with New Jersey American Waterwork. We didn't want New Jersey American water there plus our contractor there all at the same time. So we initially delayed it so that New Jersey
water can finish because that was the major problem. >> Right. And that was done right. So then the contractor takes other jobs and then he puts us off. Then we had to wait for DOT because we had to change to the plan to the sidewalk from one side to the other. So DOT takes
forever to get us back to then he had to do his testing. Now we're waiting for him to get his thumb in. So I am not going to give you date but I can practically guarantee that it'll be in the next it'll be the summer it'll be
we've been hearing that for a long time but if we could just have there's no communication we don't know we're just we just watch markings and things happening and nothing >> as we know something so the reason you got that first we're just kind of being
communicate your everybody would get notified so that nobody would be like >> well we know we had a lovely woman come to literally knock on our door and she handed up the paper she was you know she did lovely but I mean this is now becoming a quality of life issue and
this is like enough is enough already and I understand right I it's the contractor and they have other jobs like something something needs to be done this can't keep going on you know 10 20 years it will
be this summer. >> Yeah. >> You know, I just I want to say that, you know, I am I can only speak to myself. I definitely want to see this get done. We have assistance sidewalks on the Burners Avenue neighborhood and a system sidewalks in the downtown and we you know, think it would be a convenience to
the neighborhood to get that done, get those systems connected. So, you know, we want to get that done as much as you do. So, I appreciate you coming here. >> But thank you for uh letting us know, especially that you weren't getting the notices. So, we'll make sure that that happens. >> Think that there's there's a lot in just
my property alone. >> So, we deserve >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Um, anyone else? >> Quick question. Jeff Hannah block. I noticed just actually the day before
yesterday on the bubble the call for comment about the playground and it was posted actually four days ago. I checked right before this meeting. It's only been 24 comments and some by the same person multiple times. Was it generated a call for comments through the Friday
fulmer or through the school system because that would be the constituency that most likely would respond? Uh I think in order to try and get a greater response, we need to do more than the bubble. Was was that done? >> It was done on several other uh Facebook pages as well. Burnsville community. Um
there's a number of them and it's really not you know the school has a playground. This was geared more to the younger parents. Yeah, I I got that. Yeah. >> Um and I know Christine went to the um the daycare center that's nearby and we
went to a couple >> Well, one of the moms. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, uh it's more geared to uh the parents during the day, what they've told us is they can't use the school playground when school's in session. And so, that's what we're trying
>> I get that. But a lot of these younger kids in bed, well, they also have younger siblings and so that same parent. Um, I just wanted to get that message out. Um, a lot of people don't use Facebook anymore. I'm only one of them that it's backed away for security reasons such. So, I think we need to
find better ways to communicate other than fa through Facebook and and those portals. But that's my comment. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Great. >> Nobody on Zoom. >> Okay, then I will close the open session. Um we have a public hearing on
ordinance 2026 20-50. So I will open the public hearing on that. This is um altering the duties of the administrator and the burl code to allow our administrator to hire a point or discipline employees that are below the
department head level mainly for um timing and efficiency in filling positions or getting positions filled and replacing people. >> Can I give you a timely? >> Yes.
So we um they need really quick turnar around. They have massive number of inspections. So company came to the construction office today and asked if if they pay extra
if we could have um more inspection per day. And I don't know that our inspector had enough time to do. So the prior construction official and I had talked about this a long time ago. The possibility of
hiring, you know, some other part-time inspector to come in and help. And that's the kind of thing that this would be very I could just say, put you on, you know, put you on like a basis or whatever. And so they're like that
employees, but they're they're similar to employees. So this would be something I would have especially in the summer. [clears throat] >> Yeah. And like the taco is somebody that we have to have. >> Yes. >> That's required. So
>> of course always in the >> which is technical assistance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Always in the report. Yeah. >> Anything like that. >> Yes. >> Actually more of a clarification. Are we
talking about Jeff? Um, are we talking about part-time employees or full-time employees under the umbrella of this ordinance? I I would have no problem with part-time employees being brought in on a stop gap
measure or PDM measure, whatever. But if we're talking about the hiring and firing or disciplining of full-time employees, I think that's should still remain within the purview, at least the oversight of of the elected officials. So what exactly when I read the ordinance I thought it pertained to the
fulltime am I wrong [clears throat] as the example or the parttime >> well I just wonder whether the council wants to abdicate the responsibility of oversight with in concert with the um
with the burough administrator when I was chair at one point of the personnel committee. I thought that was really one of the functions of the personnel committee. We really want to do this. Yes. >> Yeah. I don't think we saw as advocating and responsibility. We still are in concert with talked to the
administrator. She still presents all of the personnel decisions to us. We mandated that it couldn't be for department head senior level staff inside of the bureau. But below that, given um you know how quickly some of these decisions have to happen, we've had real examples over the course of the last year where the administrator
probably needed to take quicker action for officials and we had to wait until the council formed. We debated it pretty significantly as a council and we felt that given the administrator um you know as the head of the staff giving her the ability to make these decisions still
providing it to us we still have the oversight onto it was the more prudent thing to do for governance of the bureau otherwise it move too slow and we did stipulate that below you at a senior level >> except the the ordinance as I read it said it gets
presented to the council at the next council meeting which depending upon the month could be a month later that in that case the decision has already been done. It's already been enacted. It's a done deal. The council's input then is is moved. No, >> but the council in general does not
oversee lower than department head management. I mean, we're not to really be involved in the day-to-day operations of the burrow and those are the people that are doing the day-to-day work. So it's not really our authority
to get involved in those kind of decisions. >> The goal here is to have a functioning high customer service entity. And in order to do that, you need to have an administrator be able to make day-to-day decisions that allow you to maintain that level of customer service. Council can't be signing off on every single
decision if there's something that needs to be replaced in the course of a week and you have to wait a month. That's inefficient. That's a loss of service to the taxpayer and not even use spare taxpayer dollars. I understand that but I also know there's been a fair amount of churn in
terms of our employees and so >> this is not debate you made your comments so yeah we can talk >> this is this is the opportunity to uh give your opinion or comments on this ordinance
>> appreciate the com weed as a council >> and one of the other things is we've we've changed the way the the council operates. So we now have a work meeting the week before this formal meeting and that has been I think very effective in
the way that we get things done. So that we don't use the the committee system as much. It's only for um short-term more like um for personnel for an executive decision that has to get made. But we tend to do more of the general work on
the in the work meeting to discuss issues such as this so everyone has input. Um okay so I will close the public hearing on ordinance 2026 2050. We start with you. All >> righty. I move to pass ordinance number
2026-2050 on final reading and adopt as published. Second roll call, please. >> Mr. Rivera, >> yes. >> Mr. Ruth, >> yes. >> Mr. Ross, >> yes. >> Mr. Trainer, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Mr. Zino, >> yes.
>> All right. I will open the public hearing on ordinance 2026 2051 amending the 2026 salary ordinance 2025 2030 to include the full-time dispatchers. Um and the reason this is here is um
originally I think the understanding was that I think they understood that they had a negotiating unit which they don't really so they need to be included with the regular employees. Anyone like to be heard on this ordinance? Do you not have nobody's
watching? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. Um Russ, sorry. >> Okay. >> I move to pass ordinance 2026-2051 on final reading.
>> Did I screw up? No, you got it. >> 20. Sorry. I move to pass ordinance 2026-2051 on final reading and adopt is published. Second. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Damino, >> yes. Ma, >> yes. >> Mr. Trainer, yes. M. Yes.
>> Mr. Ruth, >> yes. >> Yes. >> All right. I will open the public hearing on ordinance 2026 2052 amending chapter 11 of the burough code entitled property maintenance maintenance by
amending section 11-5 in its entirety to establish leadbased paint hazard inspections of rental properties and I believe this is required by law anyway is it >> is it is required that
we It doesn't even pay down and business that they're in. We have to send them to school and we have to buy the equipment and it paddling and
anyone like to be heard on this. Oh, can I just say this is only for rental units that were built prior to 1938? >> Yeah, that's because past that they have stopped using it. >> Yeah. >> All right, I will close the public
hearing. Um Christine, >> I move to pass ordinance 2026-2052 on final reading and adopt as published. >> Roll call, please. Second. Second. >> There you go. Roll call. >> Mr. Rivera. >> Yes. >> Mr. Roose. >> Yes. >> Mr. Z. >> Yes. >> Mr. Trainer. >> Yes.
>> M. >> Yes. >> Mr. Zino. >> Yes. >> Okay. We now have a ordinance introduction. Would you like to move that? >> You gave me a long one. [laughter] >> Oh, good. I move that ordinance
2026-2053, ordinance providing for the improvement of Larwood Road in and by the burrow of Bernardsville and the county of Somerset, New Jersey, and appropriating 259208. Therefore, constituting proceeds of grants from the New Jersey Department of Transportation be introduced by title,
passed on first reading, published according to law, and a public hearing be scheduled for a meeting beginning at 7 p.m. Monday, June July 13th, 2026. >> Second. Okay. And this is part of what we have scheduled for this year, right?
>> Yes. This is just the usual manifold. We just never we got our >> All in favor? >> Um moving on to resolutions. We've got um some pretty standard ones. We are uh purchasing the two police vehicles which
were in the 2026 budget and our capital uh line item. We finally got all the ABC licenses back which is good. Everybody filed. Um we had the farmers market fees.
Uh we are responding to uh Aaron Duff's lawsuit. Um, fireworks for Somerset Hills will be the Saturday before, what is it, the 27th, I think. Um, we have some new
recreation people. Uh, then we were approving um the music on Maine for Main Street. um CIC doing the um opioid awareness day and the mountaineers
were doing their training day at the polar ground. So those three are in 152. Um Dayton Crescent, we just have some change orders to get the lines redone. >> Yeah.
Uh, Maker Road will be resurfacing. >> No, this is too far for the grant. Um, this is this year's local. >> Oh, >> it's the two block for MA road. >> All right. So, we put in for this year to do it next year.
>> Well, Valentine Valentine is our first choice and then Maker is the second. I think we already put in two. I think Valentine was the second one last year. Oh, so it moved up and then we don't expect to get it a few days, but if not
>> Did I say inactive licenses twice? >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> And then we have um another one. We have a 157 which is um fire company
junior membership in a fire company. So that's um Samantha Scarenzi Scarenzi of Heartscrap Road. So >> Oh, it's not on here. We just got it today. She just got a form. So we're adding 157.
>> Uh I move that resolution 26-141 to 26-156 seven. Sorry. be adopted. Do I have a second? Second. Roll call, please. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mayor, >> yes.
>> Yes. Mr. >> Yes. Yes. Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> All right. Reports. Um, mayor's update. Uh, we had I think it was June 3rd the I'm not sure what you call it was the premeating with Ed
Gregory for his project at the Audi dealership. So finally that is moving forward. I think he'll be at a board next month maybe or August. >> Yeah. So it' been great to see that get going. Um I also attended that day the
Robert Wood Johnson in Somerville their annual meeting which they invite me to every year. um along with other mayors. Uh I attended the Somerset County Stigmafree Summit at Raritton Valley Community College. Uh Community Crisis
was also there. Lot of good resources. I attended the senior brunch at the library, which they do every year. They had a huge turnout. Um and they always have for entertainment. I always forget his name. Um they're local couple, but he plays the organ at Yankee Stadium.
>> Oh, >> I can't think of his name. I don't know his name, but they're really good and everybody loves them. Um, on the 6th, we hosted at the high school the Exemp Fire Company convention. So, they asked me there to welcome them and
just introduce um Birdsville to them. I attended the Girl Scouts end of year ceremony, um the Bedwell Garden open house, uh the Patriots Path Council of Scouting, American Tribute to Women. We
had three of our local businesses honored. Uh Jessica Walker of Jay Walker, Pam Nardone of Hibernate Betting, and Angela Ciierro of Boutique Calat were all honored by the scouts. Um the other honores were Jennifer Acy who
is a committee woman in Burns Township, Monica Martinez Milan who owns Stumpies, you know, the axe throwing place. and >> yeah, she is also past president of the Somers County Business Partnership. And
then uh Anita Chidarelli, >> so Jack Chidarelli's wife. Um I attended the Somers County Business Partnerships uh happy hour at the Saminsky Theater. If you've never been to the Saminsky Theater, it is the best
kept secret around here. Um it's at Fellowship Village and they do some great shows at reasonable prices. It's fairly small, >> but it is really I just got appointed to the board, so you'll hear more about the Sinsky Theater. >> Um, on the 12th, I attended the Bedwell
Moving Up ceremony where the kids going into the middle school. Um, and also the uh League of Municipalities Spring board meeting. I did go to the Battle of Baskin Ridge, which was actually pretty good. Um, it was a nice familyoriented
street fair kind of thing. Um, I was invited and went to flag day at Bedwell and I they have a new music teacher there and the kids sang you're a grand old flag and they signed it. the entire Fedwell case all signing the it's
here Brandle play and we got them signed up when we're doing uh excuse me for the 250th we'll be doing reading the Declaration of Independence on July 8th and she's going to bring some of the kids to sing and sign for us at that
event. So that'll be cool. >> What time is that on July? >> Uh well six o'clock is when you we're supposed to read the declaration. That's a national event. >> And then we're doing some activities before and after with the library. >> Okay.
>> Uh and then I was invited and attended the high school graduation which was a for once a really nice night but not too hot, not too cold, didn't rain. So um yeah, >> been a while.
>> Yes. So that's my update. Um, just as for the 250th, we did meet and we were talking about uh Charlie was on for that one. Um, doing what is it? December >> Oh, that was on. That was one I was on, too, right? >> Oh, yeah. You were there. December 13th.
>> Yeah, December 13th. Um, >> is when these troops stayed at the V town. >> Yep. >> So, we were going to try and do a pub crawl on that night. So, mark your calendars. Continental
general general less >> and he was captured and basking. >> Yes. A widow Brown >> on our side. >> Yeah. [laughter] Is that a Main Street Burnersville project or who's going to like sort of like >> No, it's a burrow. >> So So that'll be like um like who sort
of like organizes it and kind of >> It's well with the 250 committee which is Nancy and recreation and me and Charlie and Al and Yeah. Dr. So, we'll be putting that together. Cool.
>> Yeah. >> And thank you for the flags. We now have our 250 flags up on all our polls. >> Six of them. Yeah. >> Yeah. Looks great. >> Yeah. So, all right. Um Nancy, you're up.
>> Okay. They're not finished. I'm waiting to hear from the steps are. Um I think right now they're looking at just it's not paint but then something right down the middle. Um Kevin said he just
resurfaced the whole thing. I don't know which one's going to happen. Um, but there are the the lines are you can see little faint um bits of yellow here and there and for the most part, you know,
they're so good and all the signs. >> Good. >> That's progress. >> Yeah. >> Um, so the uh there's a well connected to the sprinkler system. at the lower lower polar ground and the controller is
working. Um the cost to repair the controller is $7,000. Um >> the retail cost of the control is $7,000, but apparently um Kevin talked to gave him a good deal because that
this includes uh labor. But we're talking the recreation director and BKW director and I today because I guess this just happened. Um because of most of the youth is on the chfield.
Uh we were wondering what your thoughts would be if we just let the field be irrigated by rain this year and budgeted for $7,000 for next year. see how it goes this
year. See if the rain is enough. >> Long enough to spend $7,000. >> We are in a drought. >> Not today. We're not >> I'm trying to keep in mind >> the lower
the cow section. No, I don't have enough sprinklers. >> Is it really above budget? We have um any funds in the budget for kind of wear and tear maintenance. >> We have some I'm sure we actually just
fixing and others who were >> right. Is that um could that be open space maintenance? >> I think we could improve. >> I think we should do it in the end [clears throat] more field will be safer for
>> Yeah. And sometimes it takes so long to bring it back after it if it does >> right. Yeah. If you leave the barrier so long that's a good idea on the open space man. Improve it. >> Improve it. Yes. >> Um and then
last for more shade for swings and things for younger kids. So just to bring it to you tonight because you did ask the post but um I contacted the vendor and he
provided a quote for uh MB and picture um as you can see swing set of two inclusive swings one for 5 to 12 year old and 2 to 5y old um two well actually maybe
So this bunny and there's also the duck. Um they are spring rider for the little the little one. Um this umbrella would go over the highend part. They have machine on the actual play equipment itself. That
umbrella will go on the highend part. Uh this is one of the inclusive swings. Is there there's enough room in that section to put swings? >> This is >> Looks like that holds the swings. Yeah.
>> Okay. That's just the hold. Okay. But there's only two in the set. Oh, yeah. They won't look like that though. There'll be the inclusive one from the last picture and take the next picture. >> Yeah. So that will go on there. Fits on there. Yeah. Yeah.
And >> this uh there would be two of these that would go over um two batches. >> So that's it. >> Yeah. >> And then this would be the layout. You
can you can maybe So, this is generally the layout. You see that bottom left corner? That's one of the candle lever umbrellas over Ben. Um there's another one. He gone all the way up right there. Um then the
playground itself is not that big, but he has the what he calls the landing zone or the safe zone is the outer edge of it. The swings are in the upper right and then the umbrella is at the top of I can't see the
highest amount of the highest point of the the playground itself. Um, so it would also include um because if you're expanding the playground that much, you would need to have more of the
board showcasing. So, if you were to include everything we talked about the last meeting, plus all the things we talked about tonight, plus the increased um rubber servicing,
uh the brand will be about $270,000 7K. >> Yeah. >> 70. >> Okay. >> There was also comments about the fellow bulls. So, we put up um we already put we already did res earlier this year. Um
we put up a fence, a freestanding fence so that when it so you'd still be able to get into a um field, but it blocked the uh I don't have a picture of it. It blocked the
playground. is right in front of the playground where the opening of the there was a big opening you know where the um along the third base first base first base line there was a big opening in the fence that's there. So instead of
closing that in because that was diffic we went about probably about 5t out >> and put another fend there is pretty high. It's the same height I think as one that's there. So that blocks the playground itself. >> Oh good. Okay.
>> We did that in March I think. >> Oh yeah. And and really quick, so what we're you know the addition today would be the two spring duck situations and then the one inclusive swing and one standard swings in addition swings and
then the umbrellas >> and the benches. >> Are there two? I just want to make sure. Yeah, there two sets of swings or that one set with the one. >> Let me go back. I'm just You can make any change that you want. I just figured I would show you.
>> What's the other one? >> And the umbrellas. So, it's the It adds the two swings, the umbrellas. >> So, that's one swing. >> It's a shade. high point.
It's the two swing over and it's the the body of the >> Well, and it's also extending the the >> rubber, >> right? >> Has to go out further. >> Yeah, because it would be almost the entire >> Yeah. >> 3600,
I think. >> And I think somebody made a comment about um these are not the rubber thing is not groundup tires. No, it's more surface. All right. It's more like a >> You can't use rubber. Yeah.
>> Oh, it's not not like rubber like >> No, at one point used to chop up tires and put that. >> No, this is Yeah, but you don't do it anyway. >> Not good for >> No. and swallow. >> I mean, you don't have to make the
decision today, but just remember the timeline that I talked about before >> and this is open space development. >> Yeah. >> I just want to be clear. I apologize. The orange one was the one and then the stand was
>> I think what >> I did ask back. >> One of these >> and then one of these. >> Yes. And you need a lot of room for a swing. If there's not a lot that
you see, that's what they call state landing zone. You have to have that much space around it for safety for people on the slide. I mean, you know, the rock wall or whatever activity.
>> You see up on the top that's on the top right. >> So, >> okay. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to get clarity on the swingers here. standard swing and one orange swing. No, I'm missing that. >> Yeah, they would both be >> I think they both look like the orange
ones, >> but one for >> another. Okay. >> So, ones bigger and smaller. >> Okay, perfect. I understand. >> N we priced these out based on comments that came through the various channels
we had the posted on, right? I guess my question like we were a little bit bulking at the cost last meeting when it was 200k all in or 150 with with the mulch and we sort of did this to a get the community's input but b to see if
there's other ideas and it's actually great ideas but those ideas that came were just sort of additive to the idea we already had not like a replacement to the original idea. Um I just I mean I actually didn't I don't really think along the bubble. Um those who saw the
comments or even Nancy who saw the comments like what was the level of kind of passion for this? In other words, was it like a couple of people and we priced it out or was you know Christine like the group that you spoke to? Were they really like passionate about improvements that they would like to see
there? I guess what I'm trying to get at is it's like one/ird more cost and is that due to a couple of comments or would we really get a lot more use for that investment? That's my question.
>> I think it was really about shade. That was the most passionate thing I heard was shade, shade, shade. >> I think it was very a positive response. Um people were excited about it and want to get it back going again. Um but yes, I agree with the mayor. has fantasy summarized already like the shade was
the key you know component there I think you framed it well right you know the biggest decision for us is and and Nancy you know may be helpful to say the timeline I know we hel just you know reiterating it if we don't
do it this we don't decide now we're looking at a 2027 project right >> no I mean I think so we if If you gave the okay then it would probably be installed
by Labor Day close to Labor Day and the but if you delay a month you delay a month >> delay month that he did say the longer >> but but for dependent purposes you know
snowing basically lose those two months of usability. uh this year for playground. So it's not usable until 27 is kind of making but uh >> in other words if you don't do it now they have the and basically the fall you're really looking at 27 anyway.
>> Exactly. Right. >> Exactly. So that's decision is it worth doing this now or taking it be going back for more investigation probably the cost does or does not change but probably doesn't go lower um or decide now and
then it's options A or B. So, do we want this by uh the fall? If so, then it's option uh A or B. If we decide we want to do more investigation and we do more investigation, we get a look at a usable project by the beginning of >> and and there are other vendors.
>> Yeah. And that's what my question would be. But yeah, and I apologize I missed the last planning meeting, but >> how how did we get to select this? Have we selected this vendor or is it still in the >> the recreation director uh chose him? I didn't ask him why. I know that he is on
page >> because we're trying to respond quickly. >> We're just trying. >> It's just a million. >> Yeah. And it is um I think we got the accounting of where
we are with our um open space fund and the fact that we did not do a lot of the extra lighting projects that we were going to do. >> So I mean I'd like to see it get done >> because we're quickly
>> calm right in those councils. They wanted you know a playground with their energy. >> Yeah. [clears throat] I I think it's you can act quickly. I think it's an example of want sometimes you don't have you can't
take a year to do a bid. So in this case maybe the the need justifies it for >> I think before moving forward I think we can maybe you know have a debate right now on the 200 versus 270 as Al pointed out. Um but I think we should move forward.
>> Is there a way we can do one and wait for the surfacing get a better first like the question would be like you could hold off. It sounds like the shading was the you know number one comment >> maybe hold off on like the swing. I
don't even know if that's relatively negligible or if that's additive. How much? >> It'd be a nice touch that. But no, I hear if we can maybe get a better Is that something we could do? We do first. >> Yeah. >> Main views come back and maybe get see what our if we have other pricing
options for the additional stuff or is that >> Did he Did he break out the swings as a separate price? Not exactly, but >> in the end the swing the sh the shade and the rocker are 70k total. So
[clears throat] >> yeah, >> the installation of the uh freestanding that's over the bench is um is $7,000 that and that by the way 7 to 10 weeks
in the time frame. Um >> that's two sh for $7,000. >> Yeah. The installation of the place with benches is 59. That's not new. Just the benches are added to that. Um the Ford
rubber rubber again now square footage is 3600. So that total cost for that 864 that only went up I believe it was close to 70 the last time about it. Um
>> 67K last time. >> Yeah. Um 67. Okay. Um the rubber uh rubber curved borders went up a little bit. Um 45
linear fees that's $13,000. Um he had the queens blown in with everything. So the line delivery all the equipment as shown that left 99,000 and then installation of the equipment and
um benches is 59. So he has to break them down. I think Senate Hillary is the young because I think is there a long >> we have a consensus on moving forward this year versus next year.
>> Yeah, Christine good. >> I I think we'd be good to you know we're going to have to um do this either way. just always, you know, trying to see what the options are as far as, you know, potential change in pricing there. But, um, you know, with your analysis, it sounds like, you know, we're not really going to get, you know,
necessarily a better better deal here. So, I think unless, again, we really think that there's a chance that we can get a better deal next year. Um, you know, >> I think one [clears throat] of the council's goals is to improve the amenities at our public places. >> Absolutely. No, it's a needed thing.
Definitely want to get it done. >> I think it's a priority for >> Sure. that you've all expressed. >> Absolutely. >> We good? >> I'm good. >> Ros, yeah, we should do it. I just I'm just sort of struggling with get a
better deal if he >> That's a real threat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think if we were in a better position, Yes. But right now, >> you have taken away an entire neighborhood's park, the neighborhood
closest to the library, closest to all the schools, and closest to where there's a lot of kids home all summer that don't have these kind of places to play. >> They don't have >> Yeah. >> a place in New York. And that's kind of
what a lot of the neighbors expressed to me is that their kids are home for the summer and they don't have a pool membership. So where else are they going to go to play? They're going to go to the library >> and it's tough. I guess it's still Labor Day. >> And the only place walkable safe from
the library is that >> I hear you. We're still open at Labor Day though because it's stop though. >> Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't wouldn't be for the summer, but it would be for next summer, >> right? I mean, they're still playing down there at the park.
>> Yeah. >> They kick the ball around and stuff, but [clears throat] >> the other option I was going to ask because one of the comments that we did get was the fact that um School of St. Elizabeth has a beautiful new playground
in their uh campus, but it's not open to the public. So maybe we could work something out with them where people could use it for the summer. >> Be an insurance. >> I don't know if that would happen, but
I'm just trying to think out loud. >> Yeah, >> because there's no kids in that school. They have summer camp, but that's it. I mean >> it's completely un favor moving forward. I mean my experience in the council is that cost
only go up you know year to year or some project like Jersey American mortar comes through and delays the whole paying. So like I think maybe just get it done um try to move quickly gives people it's an eyesore people are unusing it. It's in a part of town where we know a lot of young families moved
into and it's the only burrow facility on that side of 202 versus the park one. So it is, you know, I had concerns even it was at 200k. The comments did come back though positive like you're saying um according to you all and you know they even with some suggestions. So it
was adding the shade and the swing makes it more usable for people you know but using open space funds recreation improvement funds and that was the intention of doing it. So, I'm very >> And yeah, I was thinking before, you know, you do it, oh, we could do the first phase and then the second phase, but ultimately you're going to be saving
something by doing it all together, I would suspect, right? You're going to come back with a higher price. We're not just going to be able to add it all next year for the same amount. >> Yeah. Do you do you happen to the splash part the fountain? Yeah,
people love some of these. >> That's a big attraction. People love those. Yeah. >> I actually Rich Ross bring up a good general princip on value of delivery versus the cost.
So, it's good for both you guys to bring that up. >> Yeah. And since it's not going to be ready until October, I do think reach out for labor. I mean, >> yeah. Do we need a resolution motion?
>> Right. >> Yeah. >> And we really think we could get this done by by Labor Day. >> That's what they said. Okay. Yeah. >> Oh, >> yes. >> And once just to reiterate our lifespan
on this kind of at this point because that's important, you know. Thank you. No, as much as sorry to push you and stop with that. >> I know it needs to be at least be 25 years. >> No, I don't think so. They change the codes every 10 years. >> Oh. Oh, I know. I hear I hear. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> No, that's you know, there's only so much we can do about that, but just in a vacuum. >> Sometimes you can replace pieces [clears throat] of it, right? >> You know, the the certain play thing is no longer that out, replace it. So you don't always have to replace the whole
playground, but >> you're always upgrading the codes. >> And I'd like to just get a reiteration of that with the publish. >> Next time we'll plan five years in advance and we'll sell bricks or
something like that. >> Her lifetime [clears throat] is 25 years, but this one I mean back this past one is 25 years. I'd say 15 was there much. How long was that in there? >> Is it 20? I would say probably the max
you get before the recognition changed. >> So I've been there as long as I feel like the same as I remember. Am I stopping the rest of the time? >> Yeah, I think we're done with that. I mean when he was the director it's
definitely more than 23. Yeah, because that's how and it was there when you did. >> Yes. >> Blue and yellow. Is that what we want? >> You read something about the colors, right? Don't do green, right? >> No green
color. Yeah. >> Merge. Yeah. >> We're talking one question is the structure. question is the sub the floor the >> orange the color >> orange rubber yeah
>> it's >> I think it's >> white >> oh I thought it was green on >> it was gray in the picture >> I thought green in the original pictures. It was a blue >> I will
ask them to find out find out while we're here. >> Okay, we can get it. But anyway, first and also trust fun.
>> All right. So if somebody say so moved >> so I'll just say so much. So moves to create a resolution to appropriate funds for the construction of this playground >> and purchase the co-op this year. color. No, we're not looking. We can
>> That doesn't have to go in the resolution. >> That's not That's something we can try. >> Yeah. >> Second. So, we probably should have a a roll call on this. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ruth. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Yes. Mrs. Mayor.
>> Mr. Zina. >> Yes. >> All right. Oh, yeah. We have the capital budget for the document scanning thing
additional to that and you know nobody has all the state documents afterwards. Um, nobody follows the guidelines that door
something retention >> official retention system >> how much you want to do is scope for dis all conjoined as well. I believe the belief
possibly be um a >> my view here is if we could scope down start on it this year but scope down to the extent we can so then if as technology improves if we can get a cheaper price next year I think that's still >> I think that is scope down right >> scope down from even the 200 I guess I'm
saying you know that's still where I mean you know as we all of technology continues to evolve quite rapidly. I know there's a lot of as we talked about in I mean there's a lot of uh manual labor hours and actually sorting and some of that you know doesn't go away until I don't know guess
robots come along or something but uh um but uh just in the in interest of trying to be you know if it's construction zoning zoning are the higher priorities we do though is maybe put whatever police the sum into next year um some police and then that that's where my
perspective at this point to allow technology to save us money long term >> no I I hear And where would most of the cuts would come from? Really just the amount of documents you think ultimately or it would really be just like how >> the amount of documents but it would just it would be planning
zoning and construction which is the bulk of it. >> Um we were just a number exactly >> and maybe just yeah just a little reiteration for the public here and Councilman Strong's been very passionate
about this here. um you know um we carry all of our documents uh on paper and that's a lot of work for our um administration with um with certain requests for documents uh and we also do have a physical full floor of documents um you know in this building here. Can
we do a field trip during the session taken right there? >> The need to be as as as council says we're um there is a very real need for this and you know Nancy is doing a good job by you know really caring for us longer term and also to save some of our
staff time that we really have to do this manually. It's >> and this would go through the process and documents >> they're gone. So, thank you. No, we were just saying is you also had the weather could damage
what's up there and then we have that >> other towns with this >> if it does happen. So you know planes are driving
by certain >> and so that is the priority that so let's do that. >> Yeah I'm good with that. Yeah. To do zoning and >> construction.
>> Planning construction with the 200 mark or not. We're not getting >> that is >> not a resolution, >> right? >> Yeah. I think the other thing I actually >> Oh, right. Yeah. Okay.
>> Right. Yeah. >> Just so you could get the the new number and then do it in July. >> And do we set a mark now? Do we set a price half now? We're going to
>> Oh, those three >> what that cost. And frankly the idea of also eventually reclaiming some space on the third level is also the fact that >> we can what >> introduced. >> Okay. and July when we
>> July would be the foc. Well, we also talked about when people make requests, you mentioned open requests, but also realtors or whomever contacts for records. This would be a huge service.
>> There's a public facing. Yeah, that's another thing. it it's more convenient for the public because there's public facing portal >> and they have access to give them access to >> so um a lot of them for open
>> right that's huge >> that's huge I get so many people asking me >> how do I find out about my open permits if my permit is closed >> right >> so to be able to look that >> self option for that there's a poll although interface for this
>> that's probably separate and high technology self-service from what you're talking about. >> Well, not necessarily with those because that there's a process there. It's not like just a looking up form or because
there's steps in closing out a permit. >> Saying there's there's other solutions that Ny's looking at that would deal with that. >> Question, you know, >> different things. I'm sad. [clears throat] >> We're saying the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.
I say what Christine is asking for is addressed by their separate work technology, you know, software. You know, >> this is the internal digitization what we're going to be introducing the night before July. Yeah. No, I think
the public >> I understand what you were saying was with someone who filed their own notice as their own. >> Oh, that's that's >> Yeah. >> Got it. >> Um separate
>> and the reporting the issues is a separate thing. >> I'm in favor of moving forward was 200 in the capital budget. If we get it down to run number 150, that would be great. Um [clears throat] but um I understand if we need to move forward
some degree, but I prefer to do just do a little bit less for this technology to evolve is a priority. >> We can introduce saying no more than 200k, right? And if it comes in, >> you could do that. [clears throat] >> Okay, fair. >> Yeah,
>> I can hear it. >> Right. until we bring the capital scanning service. >> So who moved second? >> All right. So we need a roll call now
introduce. >> Yeah. All in favor. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you all. >> Are you good? >> Okay. So now I need a motion to accept the department monthly reports.
>> I will move to accept the monthly department reports. Second. Thank you, sir. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. All right. Moving on to correspondence. We did get an email from uh someone
asking for improvements to uh pedestrian use of along 202 from Brookside which is actually Burns Township >> that ent was it downtown? >> It was to downtown. >> Yeah.
>> Um which was >> she was walking he called me the phone. She was walking um with a stroller. We live in the off mountain um and uh
she walks downtown and there are several areas without sidewalks and she had a very close call with the car um and she didn't want to call me to ask me to ask
you to consider filling in the blind spaces with silence. So, for example, in front of I think Chan Realy and in front of um Tante and I think the chiropractor there are no sidewalks. So, it goes from
sidewalk sidewalks. Um, I like if you are interested in obviously it's not found in this area, but if you're interested in looking into it, um, I could ask the engineer to go measure the sidewalk that we need to fill in and
make it complete all the way down. Um, >> well, she'd need Bernard's Township to do the other section from Brookside to Madisonville is Bernard's Township. Um, I think you just basically what you want to do is
this is what she's talking about right here. It's basically all paths and then >> yeah ends in front of >> this station. surprise. >> Yeah.
>> It's very >> if I can say one or >> yeah do and then it seems like something we can look into for next year. >> Thanks then. >> Yeah.
you you know you can have a clear path from there. >> Yeah. I I think that we have that stretch uh rotary that's our cleanup section of the highway and you know while we're picking up garbage and people are just whipping by there. You
know we have to have somebody stand there with a flag just not to get in. So it is >> there's also a section of Finley that doesn't have a sidewalk right by there too. I was going to say you there's also Mount Airy Road going toward the Y. I mean there's there's a lot of areas
where potentially add sidewalk. So it seems like there should be a more of a >> kind of a thoughtful like prioritization like like essentially a m you know maybe even in the master plan. I don't know look but that you know to sort of like where should they be and what should the
priority be? >> Well the only >> opposed just like ad hoc saying like oh someone asked for it let's let's do it. The only piece on Mount Ary is in front of the um >> Marine >> Marine Crest. That's ours. After that, it's all B.
>> No, but R is right. >> No, that's all. >> There's definitely that's mostly >> there's a lot of areas in town where one can make permit for sidewalks is maybe one more prominent, but there could should certainly be a rank ordering of these given the cost involved in the fact that probably a lot of people would
walk on the sidewalk in areas. Um um they don't always happen as quickly as we like. Um so you know if we could maybe study that and then you know maybe the engineer as a part of that we could you know one of the next meetings come up with both the linear per linear foot
estimate that would be latest and then then top [clears throat] five projects that would be a capital >> and the public work. >> Exactly. Uh we have looked I mean people ask for
them a lot of rooms and some of them we've looked and there's just no way you can get a sidewalk. It's either too steep or there's you know stone walls but the main roads I think definitely >> and and also connectivity to the main roads. So yeah
>> connectivity to downtown >> right that's what we want is to try to get people to walk downtown. >> Pedestrian pedestrian. Yeah, I think the one thing is it's you know that opening is Bernard Township, but if and I will say I mean between
like you said our potential grants for sidewalks in the downtown here, but also the transit village designation. I mean, I know that's kind of the other side of town and whatnot, but I mean, if the state continues, you know, make um, you know, the announcement is that they're serious about um, encouraging pedestrianism and, you know, the use of
public transit in these kind of I mean, I know that's far down, but this is a pretty kind of tight strip of pedestrianism by and large when you're looking in this area as a whole. Um, and I said a couple weeks ago and I mentioned to the administrator, um, yeah, anything we can do to, you know,
ask the state in some of these areas to even, I said, on this side of town, we bring down the speed limit a little bit. And now that we have, you know, we have a burrow complex here, we have affordable housing going in. We have obviously Rose Bowl down here. Um, I am, if there's some way we can make even a
nonofficial rank order master plan, that would be awesome. Definitely. Why don't we [clears throat] maybe it's not the right vehicle flash mails, but could we solicit public comment to get more great emails like this get more ideas for where people think there should be sidewalks?
>> I know we'll get for every street, but then we can compare that to >> um you know those that are on major streets and we can compare in parallel the engineer will provide a linear cost estimate. I mean, this is also just like a safety issue. It's a 35 mph zone, but
it quickly turns into a 50 mph zone there. Cars are going quite fast. So, if there's not a safe place to walk there, yeah, I can top I mean 202.
So, Why don't I have to look at the public come up letter and then have public works take a look or solicit more comments you know in
some way just because there are certain things where people like this individual said oh I can throw a walk with my stroller like that's color that you know so that might help us prioritize a certain part of mount area or Anderson know. So, >> but also like it's like plainly obvious.
You can look on there and it's like there's a sidewalk and then there's no sidewalk and then there's a sidewalk. >> That makes no sense. >> I I suspect it's from different, >> right? Because that's why Keanti has to because they're the newest building there,
>> right? I assume it can be a modern that's with any [clears throat] >> and then have cuz it's what do you call that range >> from the exo
>> right >> all the way into the gas system that work >> I mean >> yeah I think that's a good idea have the engineer look at where they are, you know, where we're missing them. >> Yep. Great.
>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um, do we need to respond to her? You already did. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you. You can make because technically, but we're we're >> Do we have any unfinished business?
>> No, >> I do have um actually I'm sorry. I did have photos of very well. >> Yeah.
>> Anybody have new business? Well, >> I do. Yeah. Um, I'd like to initiate a formal practice install speed pumps or similar solution on affecting a proxy.
Um, where there's a blind hill. Um, we've had it's basically between conduit placed and Mount Ary. Um, we have had several uh residents on Prospect um who are concerned about speeding on that
hill. We've had a digital speed checking sign on it for years. Nobody pays attention to it. >> I do. >> Yes. I I see [clears throat] you driving at the correct speed. I was out there yesterday uh talking to a neighbor about
it and uh a unnamed person who may or may not have been a teenager was literally going about 50 miles an hour. I had to step into the street and stop them and point at the sign. I don't want to have to do that. >> And you didn't get hit. >> And I didn't get hit.
>> Um I think, you know, I love, you know, the the residents around me are young families with toddler age children, adult dogs. I mean, it's just the cars are not it has not worked. Um,
so I'd like to direct police department to conduct updated speed studies, ask burough engineer to evaluate the roadway, and move through the public safety committee so we can bring a recommendation back to the full council. >> We actually have to have a an engineering study done. Isn't that what
we do for every time people ask for >> speed changes or road things? >> And I I do have the neighbor across street is a civil engineer and they've offered their services if we can do that. If not, let's go to bed. I'll [clears throat] talk.
>> Is there a certain type? >> You know, it's basically it's it's coming Yeah, it's coming down the hill. And the and the issue is there's there's a hill, right? And we have a sign there that says hill 15 miles an
hour. I know that's not speed limit, it's recommendation, right? 15 miles an hour. But the problem is they're coming down the hill and because of the hill, you know, if there was a child in the street >> and they're going that fast, an
accident's going to happen eventually. And I just I don't obviously don't I know nobody want that to happen. So, um yeah, that's >> what's worse is when somebody's parked there on the hill. >> Yeah. On the other side. >> Yeah. Jeff had me the other day the
chief about it and he said they start to gather data that they have because they do um the signs that you see they collect data the speed sign they collect data so people gather that step
>> and then I mean if you're okay with it we do have a traffic engineer we hired or we travel last year Um, I could ask him to take a look at it, >> please. [snorts] >> I know that TWW probably prefers the
stretch rather than speed up. Messes with the plows. >> Well, if you're okay with it, we'll start. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that that's a tough road. Thank you. >> One last >> Okay, pictures. Well, >> oh, no. I was just going to say thank
you um for those who've been here before. We have a new uh audio visual system here. Thank you. >> The finished two there. Um, we will have microphone
microphones that aren't yet, but the microphones don't have in the room. They could, but they need to >> Yeah. And and then there are because this isn't just for
so there's a number of um uh >> handheld >> handheld light right and and then there'll be one on the D. Um,
so the clear picture that he showed from the camera so much clearer than that and the sound will be um amazing. But there's not I I beg him to get it done.
So we're really close. See Charlie, you don't have to come anymore. >> But you won't be cookies. Is it very? Sure. >> So when I saw the mayor got this catalog
for a conference and when I saw this one it reminded me exactly the type of thing that you've been looking you've been talking for over on the left you can spin it >> top of the >> back up.
Oh yeah by Yeah, just spin it in. There you go. >> It's not shared though. It's on the screen. I will cut this off and share it so I anyone on Zoom can see it. But this is what it looks like for now. You can
see it appearing first. >> That would be the general idea. But then where you see facing the picnic tables would be the contest window. >> Right. And then so this one I just want to share on Zoom.
>> Yeah. >> That's for Zoom. >> You want the overhang on with the bathrooms and concessions in the back. >> Right. >> So, and I kind of like the stone look of that. >> Yeah, I do too. Yeah, I feel like it fits. And then
>> the drawing that they started to customize, but it has a bit of a weight zoom sensitive. Looks better. There it goes again. >> You see in the top left that will be the
concession area and then the bottom right the restrooms >> um >> which are the back. >> They're in the back. So that's the bottom left. Um in the back you see the three door three
restrooms. One will be a family, one will be uh men, one will be women, and then that part in the middle, well, the latest version actually has a a case, I think, like a utility room that
goes between the convention standard bathrooms. So, that work on the convention stand is there. Sorry, area. and then the AC in the front.
>> I think this is basically what you've been asking is a scale down version of where we started, but it's what we it kind of fits the need. Um there will be baby changing stations in the family
restroom. There will be water filling stations. There will be um lock on the door. for the the bathroom in the morning. So you have to go there, whatever. Um,
we're waiting for a survey for the property because we wanted to write um >> right the back of the back of the baseball field, right? Um, so we're waiting for a survey that see how we
fit. There's a possibility I think for better viewing there. It would be better if they dug out on that little baseball field and that could be moved to the other side. I mean hardly anybody's
>> you mean? >> Yeah. on the target. Yeah. >> Now, I'm just trying to figure out where on the bigger baseball >> Yeah.
>> So, the baseball is still there, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. It's like made of fence basically. Ben kind of dug off >> there. Sorry. Okay. >> I had a question about the um concession
window on the right side elevation. Um seems a little small. Um, thinking about the people in there working concessions going to feel kind of claustrophobic. Um, is there options to make that bigger or somehow make that a little bit more open? Like I'm thinking that they do at
the high school, >> you know, the the sort of swing up. >> Um, maybe it's a little more confusing for like where you pay and stuff, but it's um I don't know. I think about working in there. >> I think
>> Yeah, that's a good point though. >> Sorry. So, this is this is what I said. I think. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it's got YouTube in the back. >> Just blow it up.
Or if you right click on it, you can open it. >> If you right click on the image, I think you can blow it up into a new tab. >> It says full page photo. Can't blow it up. >> That's as big as it is. You need
>> here. Just like right click and open the >> Yeah. Open with paint now. Okay. So, it's not shared, but I'll with the room, I'll share eventually. >> So, my goal would be to have it on an angle. So, you see up to the to the
right, you see that black, right? That's a dugout. There is a mug there now, but that's the um the dugout for the baseball game. So, I'd love to be able to angle it. And even though the light be in the way, you still have a better
view of angle than you would square like that a lot's going to depend on the survey. But um that's the general error that >> everybody knows what that is. >> And that's that's the size. >> Yeah.
>> We could make it a little longer, but I'm not. So if you see the top left of the screen um underneath where the microphone thing is right under there, that's a slow down. So I guess it [clears throat] would have to
be filled a little to make it more level. >> And I guess the other question is which way does the open area face it? >> It would base the field base the turf field. >> Yeah.
If you want change back and watch the game. >> Yeah. Um, and you see there, that's the electric. So, we're looking at >> or enclosing like
>> Yeah, that's love the look. Y >> that's kind of what we all imagined, but I don't know why the architect couldn't get that sent. I think it's >> Yeah, looks good. >> That's
>> There is no concession stand. They don't have the same >> There's just like a pipe coming out of the ground and kids are filling up the water. can become a place >> so
yeah it looks great and we don't make sense if costs are cost for just the structure, but that doesn't include >> building. So, I read it on, but way cheaper than
you think. >> Well, that's good. >> Yeah. And compared to the >> I felt it was the answer. compared to the bids that we got when we first went out to bid. I think anything is a bargain. >> Yes. Oh, and these people are on
>> so we wouldn't have is where >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> So, um there also somebody I think it's PSJ that involve
just want to emphasize you know NY's work on this allows us to save money for the unexpected playground replacements that come up. So there you go. Helps us pay for the shade and accessibility >> and learn.
>> I know that's why I mentioned it. >> Okay. >> Uh we now have our second open session for anyone from the public who would like to make a comment. Look, I didn't realize this was going to be on the agenda when I first made my
comments about the playground, but could it not have been on the agenda so that the public knew that we're talking about spending a quarter of a million dollars on the playground? I'm not opposed to the developing playground, but shouldn't that be on the agenda? And what are the rules for what gets what resolution gets
on the agenda? What doesn't agendas try? You can't, you know, buy something. You can't see it, but you can add things to the agenda. Republican agenda has to include things. This certainly is
>> it was it was I could just so I only got the new hours for the meeting. So we got on Friday after I think it was after hours his PR person put everything together on Facebook emailed us here's the top three because I'm not on the
level I don't that so the he said here's the top three. So this morning I got to the contractor. Didn't think he would be able to get it to he got I think it was 3:30. >> Great turn around.
>> Thank you. And we heard discussion that about you know would there be any cost savings to delay it the next year? But would there be any cost savings if we had more bids? I mean how many bids was this based on? >> It's not it's a state contract. Okay. So
the estimate based on one estimate then is that that's what I'm trying to get at talking about the playground or you saying about the concession stand >> the playground. Yeah. >> Yeah. And again I mean this is not a Q&A, you know, state your opinion because it's not what we do. We it is
this is a public um a council meeting held in public and we invite the public to make comments. It's not the opportunity to have a Q&A. If you want to do a Q&A, we'd be happy to sit down with you at another time, make an appointment, and answer all your
questions, but we're not prepared here with lots of information to >> So, the public can't ask how many bit how many estimates we got on a project of a quarter of a million dollars. Is that what we're saying? >> You can ask uh we're not we didn't
this is a it's on a state contract. It's not a bid process. In what form can the public ask about the expenditure of money in terms of how many people did we ask what this would cost? >> It would be better to call Nancy during
the week cuz she does most of this, you know, the detail work on whether we're bidding or not bidding or it's really, you know, we don't have all the answers right here, >> but Nancy does. also because there long
conversation about this 30 minutes ago where we talked about should we delay get more bids or go more than this. So I don't know what more information you're looking for. >> We didn't know we the public did not know that this conversation was going to take place. That's the point I'm trying to make.
We did have the first half >> where we have that last um we were looking at that that was at a discount we received um I think
I don't remember the exact number um you know we reached out to a vendor that the recreation director I'm familiar with. He gave us a discount. We thought it was a good deal. We brought it here last week. It was $200,000. Then we got comments and I brought them
to the council. We didn't get We don't want to go out the bid because you get the lower. Um well, as I said earlier, there's a dozen or you know I could think of of well actually there's probably only five I could think of of playground vendors. Um, I will say that
I don't think you're going to get a better price. I think that, um, what I was told when this first happened where we told we had to close it down was that this was going to be, you know, three, four, $500,000. I mean, I, you
know, there are really expensive playground. Um, so I guess it's out of it. It all is about the tenant. So, we are either going to go with this or we're going to maybe save 10, 20, $30,000 to try and find somebody else,
but by the time I do that and get back to them again and um, you know, it's going to delay the the building. So, it's a matter of your way, you know, save a little bit of money, maybe didn't have a guarantee or you get it in by labor.
>> And Nancy, I think there's an important point that you mentioned there that Miss made for you and Jack. If we go out to bid, we have to take the lowest bid. So the question we're facing here is, do we want the absolute lowest bidder for a piece of playground equipment that very young kids across Burnsville are going
to play on? No. I'd rather we choose for quality case and we've take a rational approach to what the choices are going to be financially contracting. >> So they and so we just those but right there you're saving money
because as Jack said they had to bid to get on to that. So >> and you're also saving money because you have to have hire somebody to write the specs >> which is very expensive and then advertise the bids. So that's the beauty of using state contract. Yeah. for you.
[clears throat] >> So to try. >> Thank you. >> All right. Anyone else want to speak? >> Hi Mayor. Hi council. Can you hear me? computer. >> Are you guys able to hear me?
[clears throat] >> Camera on? >> Yeah, my camera's on. Um, let me check again. >> Little thing over here. >> Yeah, I turned it off, but you can hear me, correct? >> Yeah. Name and address.
>> Yeah. Again, um, Chris Shank, uh, 36 Old Army. uh appreciate you um both mayor and council to uh take my time. Three minutes is not going to be enough to uh go over all the things you guys have touched on so far this evening. Um I just first want to thank you all for
responding to the community's needs. Um we know that playground uh was well overdue for a facelift and I think many residents, myself included, are happy that we're uh you know in a position to have an opportunity to really uh you know give it a facelift that it needed.
Um, I also appreciate the comments that uh, you know, Councilman Shro just just said that we want to make sure that we're doing this the right way. Um, I've noted a number of the comments um, you know, on the bubble and just speaking to people and um, you know, as I mentioned
at the beginning here, this this is a true opportunity for us. Um, and I also kind of want to, you know, piggyback off of what Jeff just said that, you know, I think residents feel frustrated, um, in the way that things are
communicated, right? We know that there's this opportunity. However, we didn't know this was going to be on the agenda. And then as we move through this, it feels a little rushed. Um, you know, we're making decisions um, on the fly here. And I totally understand why. And I understand that there's, you know,
a lot of funding issues that we we need to come to sense with and and the timing, as Christine had come up with. Um, we want to make sure we're responding adequately to the community's needs. But at the same time, I think that this is a a really really great opportunity for us to take a piece an asset that that the town could really
use in a central portion of the town to to, you know, again, make it compete with other communities around here, not only from an infrastructure standpoint, but from how it is presented to the town. Um, I've seen some great comments about how we could redevelop that
section of of town, how we can get it to to really, you know, gel well with how the ballpark is and and how that that space is used. And I think we need to take a little bit more time. I understand the need to get it off the ground, but I also believe that rushing
through things could potentially, you know, obviously create some some some risks and and places for us to miss out on. So, I just want to make sure that we're going through this and getting more public input. You know, mayor, I know you said this isn't the place for uh, you know, Q&A. What I would ask you all to do, and and I know we have some
other issues that come up in town, is find a way for us to have a a public engagement where we can do those Q&As's rather than just, you know, individually reaching out to you one-on-one. Uh, I know we've done some things in the past, I know surveys are great. It'd be awesome if we were able to have some more, you know, town halls or just again
public forums where we're able to engage in a in a open and just, you know, broad discussion rather than being stuck with these three minutes um where it's just comment. Uh again, I appreciate all your time, everything you guys are doing. It's been fantastic to see the the momentum that we're carrying forward
through this year. And I think again, this is a great opportunity for us to build on. And I just hope this park really, you know, again, encapsulates everything that we're building on this community for. And thanks for the time tonight. >> And you made it right. Three minutes. [laughter] >> Hey, sure. Thanks, Chris.
>> Yeah, thanks, Chris. >> Um, anyone else? I think that was the one we're on now. >> All right. Um, we do have some items for executive. I think Jack two items both involve gas.
>> Okay. >> Commission coming back. >> We're not coming back. Okay. >> Do I have a motion to adjourn to executive session with pending litigation?
>> I move to return to sessation.