We are recording everyone, just so you know. >> Good evening everyone. We're get started with tonight's city council meeting. I ask that we all rise for the pledge to the flag. >> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America >> and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Mr. Miller, please call the role. Mr. Callahan >> present. >> Miss Grampy Smith >> present. >> Miss Quiet >> present. >> Miss Leairard >> present. >> Miss Leon present. >> Miss Wilhelm >> present.
>> And Mr. Cologne >> present. Thank you Mr. Miller. Moving on to the approval of the minutes for the November 5th, 2025 city council meeting. Any comments on the minutes? The minutes stand approved. We're going to start with public
comment. Our first public comment, as is custom, is for anything that's not being voted on this evening. There is a fivem minute time limit. I ask everyone to be mindful of as we have a dozen individuals signed up to speak tonight. So, I'll go through the list and then I'll open it up to anyone else present
who wants to make comment. So, we will start again. This is for anything that's not being voted on tonight. The first person we have signed up, David Ruff. And when you come up, you don't mind giving your name for the record for our city clerk. Thank you.
>> My name is David Rof RHF. >> Apologies. >> That's okay. City resident. Uh I rise before you tonight to give you a little historical perspective. Um I'm a 35-y year veteran of the Betham Fire
Department. I got out 1976. We had 116 firefighters at that time. um a lot less now. Um I won't talk about numbers uh all that much. Uh I do want
you to realize the city I don't think you I have to tell you the city has grown by leaps and bounds and I think the JPC said we should be up around 80,000 people uh by the end of this year which is a
far cry from when I got on. I think we were at 71,000. Um, what I want to talk about, you'll you'll hear numbers, I'm sure, tonight, but what I want to talk about is the things that that you don't see that aren't the numbers don't tell you. And
those things are when a firefighter responds to a fire call. When he responds to that fire call, he doesn't know what he's going to run into. and uh
uh I can still remember my first fire fatality. I can remember uh 2 and 1/2 year old child. Uh Marvine Village, I've lived with that for well now it's almost 50 years. Uh we
don't forget that stuff. It works on us. Um we always stop and think, what could I have done differently? Oh, if I only had a few more guys, if I only did this, if I only did that. You're secondguessing all the time. And over the years, that plays on a firefighter's
uh mind. And I there's no way for me to to express that to you unless you lived it. These gentlemen behind me know exactly what I'm talking about. We know
every fire fatality we had. I can list them for you, but I don't want to bore you. Um I uh I was the first officer on the scene at the Hotel Bethleam fire. We almost lost two firefighters that day
because the smoke was so intense and it banked down. uh they ran out of air and if it wasn't free for the pass alarms um we found them and drug them out. If not we would have had two firefighter deaths. Um
Westgate fire we were involved in moving an aerial because of the extent of the fire. Within 3 minutes after we moved that aerial, the whole back wall of of the mall collapsed. We would have had three more firefighter deaths. It's only
by the God's grace that we're here, that I'm here speaking with you today. Um, I could go on, but uh, I don't want to waste anyone's time. Uh, I did speak earlier about uh, our population, our
numbers. I know this is my third time, I think, speaking before council. And uh if I'm not mistaken, the last one was
uh in the late 80s when city council uh got what they called the gray study. And the basic premise of that study was let's see what we can do with the fire department without raising dollars,
without it costing dollars. And what did we wound up doing? We wound up losing a 100 foot aerial and two fire stations. That was the city's answer. This is wrong. It's got to stop. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. Our next speaker is John Roof. My name is Jonathan Roof. Uh, following my father like I have in the in my career. I got on the job 35 years after he got on the job. When I first got
hired on, we had 116 firefighters. So, in the past 15 years, our numbers have dropped below that. We've lost another fire station. We were told that an engine would be browned out. That engine 7 is basically a reserve engine.
>> In the years that it that company 7 went away, you probably count on one hand how many times the engine's actually been in service and was actually able to be manned. We've always been asked to do more with less. It's tough to stand up here. I hate
public speaking. I was raised in Bethleam. I spent the most of my adult life in one uniform or another. I served our country in the United States Navy. And now I serve the city, this great city.
By our numbers being where they are, you elected officials have a responsibility to the Commonwealth for their safety, for their protection. Don't tie our hands from us doing our jobs.
More people means faster reaction. The more available firefighters we have, the quicker we can stop something. The faster we get to your mother, to your father, to your grandchildren, to your children. And yes, you're right. Every death that
we've been a part of weighs on you. I've had to work on a six-w week old child that we didn't know that he was gone and we did not stop until we found out later that was because dad rolled over top. But we
didn't stop all the way to the hospital. I went to Calypso Elementary School, Ichman Middle School, Libri High School, grad 96. I wrestled same at West Betham with Mr. Evans here, Mr. Callahan, we've known y'all.
This city is everything to the guys behind you, behind me that serve it. And we want to do it to the best that we can. So, we're not asking much. We're just asking you to step up and protect the city the way that you guys were elected
to do. It's great that we have all these festivals come in, bringing millions of people outside. It's great that our city is as beautiful is as it is, but during those times, our call volume
goes up. Our manpower stays the same. We run and run and run. It's great that we have all this revitalization to our main street. We're on TV, you know, during the holidays.
We are Main Street America. We're tasked with protecting the people that come and visit and the ones that live here. We don't judge one way or the other. We have a job and we're there. So help us. Help everybody else. That's
all. >> Thank you, sir. Next speaker is Lou Gimenez. Hi, Lu Jimenez. 625 PA Avenue. >> Good evening, everybody. I'm Lou Jimenez. I'm president of Local 735. I'm a fire lieutenant, a lifelong Bethleam
resident, and someone who spent his entire adult life serving his country and his city. I stand before you tonight not out of ego, not out of politics, but out of responsibility. a responsibility to my members sitting back there, to this community, and to
the oath I swore the day I became a firefighter. For years, you've heard it before, years, not weeks, not months, but years, we've been operating in a staffing crisis. Our department is serving a city that has seen tremendous growth, more
development, more housing, more people, and there's more need. Yet, we're doing it with less staffing than we had 30 years ago when Betham looked very different from the city we see today. You heard me say it repeatedly. This is
a public safety crisis. And public safety is not optional. It is not optional. I'll say it again. It's the backbone of any thriving community. And the backbone of that safety is the firefighters who respond 24/7
without hesitation. And far too often would not without enough support. We operate with staffing levels that simply do not match the size, the complexity, and the growth of modern Bethlehem. We're budgeted for 104
firefighters. Numbers from the Betham Steel era, not a 2025 city. The last time our department saw staffing this low, I wasn't even born yet. I don't believe anyone in this room can honestly say Betham looks like it did 50
years ago or even 15 years ago. Our members respond to fires, medical emergencies, hazmat incidents, crashes, technical rescues, overdoses, building collapses, all while trying to uphold adequate staffing. But we cannot meet those standards without staffing
necessary to do the job. I want to make it very clear, staffing is not a luxury. It's a necessity. Adequate staffing determines how quickly a fire gets under control, whether a trap victim gets rescued in time or not.
It determines when a firefighter becomes a survivor or a statistic. Our residents, your residents, deserve better than that. We deserve better staffing, not held together by overtime or forced overtime and exhausted firefighters who love this city but
continue to do the job. This isn't new information. For years, administrations have acknowledged their staffing challenges, but have not acted to fix them. Every study, every GIS map, every response time analysis paints the same picture. Our city's grown, but our
fire department has shrunk. Which brings me to the current efficiency study. The criterion of this study was said that was agreed upon by local 735. That is not true. Let me be very honest. This
study is not designed and I'm talking about the city's proposal for a study. That study is not designed to enhance staffing. It's aimed at bringing us it's it's not aimed at bringing us closer to compliance. It's focused It is not focused on improving safety for
residents or firefighters. This study is meant to determine how to do more with less. yet again, how to stretch a limited f work workforce even further. You cannot stretch safety and you absolutely cannot stretch a fire
response that already arrives thin. Bringing our staffing back to 113 firefighters, the staffing level Betham maintained for years, is not an extravagant request. It is the baseline, the minimum necessary to begin correcting decades of erosion.
And at first and foremost, staffing at Northwest Station out on Kataka Road with a company officer, not January 1st, but right now, it's a start, but it's not the final answer. It's a start that shows the city is ready to make public safety a
priority. To our residents here tonight and watching from home, you deserve a fire department that's fully staffed, fully capable, and fully supported. You deserve that. No one has expected to protect 2025 Bethlehem with 1970s numbers.
To council, we're not here complaining. We're here advocating for you, for your families, for every neighborhood in this city we love. My children live here. My grandchildren live here. My sons on the job. My roots from Marvine Village to the southside. And my loyalty has only ever been to this community. I want my
community to be loyal to me. I want the city to be loyal to me and my membership. Tonight's an opportunity. It's an opportunity to move Betham forward, to start rebuilding a department that has given everything to this city without fail year after year.
Mr. Jimenez, I'm going to ask you to wrap it up. >> Your decision tonight will determine the level of protection we receive, choose to strengthen Bethlehem, choose to invest in safety, and bring us back closer to that 113 we deserve, and build from there. >> Thank you, Mr.
>> Thank you very much. Our next speaker signed up tonight is Rose Gimenez. Hello, my name is Rosemary Jimenez. I am the wife of Lieutenant Lou Jimenez and who is also the president of local 735.
I have sat back and watched my husband and the firefighters that are sitting right behind me of this city work tirelessly without the staffing and resources they need to serve and protect this community for too
long. The time for polite warnings has long since passed. Bethlehem's fire staffing crisis is not a misunderstanding and it is not a matter of interpretation. It is a failure of priorities. And the data compiled by one of the most
respected fire service organizations in the world, the International Association of Firefighters, proves it. For years, this city has pushed the narrative of doing more with less. But let's call that what it really is. Doing less with
less and asking our firefighters to absorb the consequences. Bethlehem spends only 10% of its city budget on fire protection, the lowest of any comparable Pennsylvania city. And
because of that underfunding, huge sections of the city cannot receive a fire unit within the national recognized 4minut standard for mediumhazard structures such as our schools, the
apartments that you see getting built all over this city and commercial buildings. This department means recommended staffing levels at 0% of the time. District 9 is operating
without a full-time company officer and cannot meet the basic two- win two out safety rule. And for the typical house fire, Bethlehem meets national standing benchmarks only 6% of the time. These numbers are not minor gaps. They are
systematic failures created by staffing decisions, budget decisions, and years of ignoring data that has now become impossible to dismiss. You are failing this community. You're failing the
firefighters who have sworn to protect this city. And you are failing us, the families. This city is growing. Buildings are taller. Calls are up. Populations are denser, yet staffing is stuck at 18
firefighters per shift, down from 22, while the city removes positions and left vacancies open to cover budget shortfalls. This isn't efficiency. This isn't fiscal responsibility. That is risk
manufactured by policy choices and placed directly on the shoulders of our residents and our firefighters. If nothing changes, it is not a question of whether a preventable strat uh tragedy will occur. It is a question of
when. And when it does, the reasons will be obvious because the warnings are right in front of you right now. I'd like to close by speaking not as a firefighter, not as a union member, but as the wife of someone who runs into danger when everyone else is running out
of it. Every shift, I watch my husband leave our home, not knowing what he'll face or how thin his crew will be stretched. I see the exhaustion after back-to-back calls, the worry in his eyes when he tells me they had fewer firefighters on scene than they needed,
and the quiet moments when he tries with all his might not to let the weight of this job spill over into our family. And I'm telling you this because behind every firefighter is a family living with that uncertainty. We do our best to
be brave, but the truth is the fear of losing one of our firefighters is real. Not just for our spouses or parents or children, but for this entire city. If Bethlehem were to lose a firefighter because we failed to staff adequately,
the devastation would be immeasurable. A hole would tear through our department, through our families, and through our community in a way that could never be prepare repaired. These men and women are not just employees. They are coaches, neighbors, mentors, volunteers. They are the people who show up at 3:00
a.m. without hesitation when one of your families needs help. And all they ask is that when they need backup, when someone's life depends on seconds, that the city has provided enough firefighters to answer that call safely. I love my husband. Our kids love him.
Our grandchildren love him. And our family, like so many others, trust that when he steps into danger, he has the staffing support and resources to make it back home. This isn't about politics. This is about real people, your
residents, your firefighters, their families, your communities. We cannot wait for a tragedy to justify what we already know needs to be done. Please choose safety, choose prevention, choose to protect the people who protect all of us. That's all we ask. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Himenez. >> Our next speaker is Jack Massu. Apologies if I mispronounce that. Good evening. My name is Jack Meshi. I am a proud member of 735 trustee on the platoon. Um I don't know how to follow
up with uh the human family is greed, but I had did prepare a speech. Um I want to talk to you about what goes unnoticed yet absolutely critical in the moments of when our community needs it the most is a fully fa staffed fire department. When an emergency happens, like a house fire, medical crisis, a car
accident, a chemical spill, seconds make the difference between life and death. A fire can double in size every minute. A person in cardiac arrest needs CPR and defibrillization within minutes to survive. When when that call comes in, our firefighters do have do not have the
luxury of waiting for reinforcements because we are the reinforcements. A fully staffed fire department ensures that when the alarm rings, enough trained professional arrive quickly and together. Not firefighting is not oneperson job or a twoperson job anymore. Um it requires a coordinated
team who can search buildings, operate hose line, ventilate smoke, provide medical care, and protect each other while we do it. Understaffed crews cannot safely perform these tasks, which means slower rescues, greater risk to the public, and a greater danger to firefighters themselves.
But the most important is goes beyond the emergencies. The fire department is the backbone of of community safety. They conduct inspections, teach fire prevention, respond to medical calls, support disaster responses, and often are the first faces people see when
they're in their vulnerable moments. When staffing is stretched thin, these preventative and community focused services are the first to suffer, leading to more emergencies in the long run. Fully fully staffed, our fire department is not an expense. It is an investment in saving lives. And I'm
going to read that again. It is an investment in saving lives in property protection and faster recovery after disasters and in the p in the peace of mind that comes knowing when the tr the helps is truly when they call. Fighter fight firefighters stand ready 24 hours
a day to protect this community which we serve. The least we can do is make sure that they have the staffing and support they need to do the job effectively and safely. Our community deserves reliable emergency responses. Our firefighters deserve co-workers, not an empty seat,
next to them on the truck. Together, we have the power to make sure that when the next alarm sounds, the t the team responding is strong, prepared, and complete. That is my speech. But I also like to say that I'm a new member to the
department. Uh, and you can clearly see that firefighting is in our blood. We have senior members who are uh veterans and then we have all these guys back here who've been on this department for years fighting for it. And I plan on doing the same thing that they're doing for the next 20 years because this is
where I'm going to stay. This is where I'm going to work and this is going to be my home and I want to be able to spend that time with my kids and this department and do it safely and effectively. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah. Next speaker signed up is Robert, I
believe it's Emboden. >> Good evening. My name is Robert Embod. I'm a member of Local 735. I'm uh one of our vice presidents. I've been a member of the department for about 15 years. I just want to throw a couple numbers out here and some information so that we can realize what it is that's actually
going on. Uh we like to make decisions based on fact and data. Um look back at the census. The city of Betham's population runs about 74,000 almost 75. And if you believe the numbers closer to 2025, they want to say our numbers are around 78 79,000.
The problem with that is not only do we provide services for those numbers or those people that live here all the time. A large portion of the services that we provide are for the transient populations. People coming into the city for events to the casinos to the college students to the staff members at these
uh institutions. Um that number is astronomically larger than this 78,000 number that we might go by or some of our other members stated at about 80,000. So let's be realistic. this number isn't realistic. With that being said,
I'm going to hit the same note as one of our other speakers did. City administration has touted how it has one of the smallest workforces in the history of the city. Firefighting is a manpower heavy occupation and industry. Our GIS study that we've given to the safety committee
spells that out across the United States and across this commonwealth is unsurmountable evidence that shows that the less firefighters we have, the less abilities we have to do our job. Part of the reason we're sitting where we are right now is because our previous
administrations in this fire department along with the city felt that it was okay to not hire for 5 years. five straight years of retirements or attrition we didn't hire. Please tell me where that makes sense and why we let that happen. As an Eboard member, we've
been told by the mayor um that he goes to his subject matter experts in the respective departments to ask to see what it is that we need to run our departments, i.e. our chief and our deputy chief. That doesn't feel like it's actually happening here. If that
was the case, we would see things happening differently. we'd get better answers than we do. We have less firefighters now than we did when I got hired in 2011. Please tell me again how that makes sense. We have less firefighters now than we did 50 years ago. As brother
retired Dave Roof, one of our veterans said at the uh safety committee that we had a couple weeks ago meeting here in the Ratunda, we've had more mandations in just in this last year alone than I've had in my entire career of almost 15 years. Let me tell you how that affects the department and our ability
to do our job. that is going to lead to burnout. And if you don't want to know what that is, please stop by any of our stations and we can sit there and show you on our members face what that looks like and how that affects us. On top of that, it also leads to overall poor morale. Now, we're not going to come
here and complain, but I will tell you this. I'm also a service member. I'm a veteran of OAF, and I will tell you this. Any good leader that I ever stepped in front of is going to ask a couple questions when they come into a new a new position of command. And that is, how is the morale? Okay, if you want an effective workforce and you want an
effective body to do their job, morale is your number one thing. Not having enough firefighters to do our job is only going to make this idea, this fact go downward. We continue to have uh smaller and smaller turnouts year after year when it comes to hirings. I would like city
council and some of our other committees to address that and why that is. because we don't have these turnouts, we don't have more people to get hired or put in these seats that we need to have happen. Um, once again, we're constantly asked to do
more and more and more with less and less and less. I'm not the only one who's going to say that tonight, so I'm not going to keep going on it. But I will tell you this, municipalities around Pennsylvania since I've been on this job and before along with other municipalities in the United States that have made appropriate staffing changes
have only happened as a result as firefighters losing their lives in the line of duty. Is that where you want to be? Any of you city council members or the city's administrations want to sit here and answer to the public as why you did or didn't do what you were supposed to do? Don't be part of the problem. Help be
part of the solution. We are here to work in a common goal as a local with the city with manpower and staffing to go forward to make this better. We know that changes can't happen overnight, but we don't have that direction. We need that direction. We need your help to go in that direction.
Another thing I want to point out is to understand our budget. So, we look at these line items. I think we are city council and members of these departments need to really understand what this means. I'm going to ask this question. I want you to think about this. understand your budgets better and ask yourself why when you see a line item. Why is our
overtime budget in 2025 $500,000 and then also the same number in 2026 $500,000? Our overtime budget from 2025 was spent by April May's time frame of that year. Please tell me why we haven't even considered the difference in our
raises that we get into that overtime budget as far as staffing is concerned. >> Thank you, Mr. Bod. I am going to ask you to wrap it up, please. In conclusion, we we can do better. We want to do better. We're asking you to do better. I don't think that's a lot. If we don't do better, it's going to
eventually end up losing somebody's, if not a firefighter's life, and then we're going to have to figure out how we're going to deal with that. Please help us move forward. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Next speaker is Arty Curollah. Hi, I'm Marty Curuto, A13 Law for Street, Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. In
relation to the government shutdown, should us taxpayers be paying for attorneys in Congress to give raises to elected officials when the Veterans Administration don't have taxes paying for attorneys to give raises and pay to
military officials and military personnel? Two, should full-time elected officials continue to be paid more out of our tax dollars than military personnel? police and firefighters.
Three, should federal grants be given to so-called nonprofit organizations who are making a lot of money like Arts Quest in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Four,
should we be given aid to countries who support or condone by not trying to stop groups like Zionist who kill innocent people, especially women and children and domestic animals and wildlife.
That's pretty much all I have to say except for one thing. Our parking authority is not really a parking authority. Not when we have so much pro problems with parking. Why don't they go ahead and why don't this why don't you city council people get the parking authority to go ahead
and put lines because >> hi everyone to >> go ahead that if they're if they're past that line about a half a foot or below or half it behind it they get a ticket and people this way will be more parking. Is it because they can't afford
to paint because elected officials are getting paid so much money? Come on, get this thing together. We have a problem with parking. Make it designate designated spots. If they're passed over that, then they get tickets. Hey, the parking authority makes more money. So
does the city. Let's start working, right? Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Curuto. Next person signed up, Mike Smith. Good evening. My name is Mike Smith. I live at 2045 Montgomery Street, Bethlehem.
Tough act to follow that fell. Um, I started on the fire department in 1984 and I hung around until 2010. I retired as an assistant chief. On my way through the ranks, I was also president of local 735 proudly.
Back in my day, we went through the same thing. The city paid tens of thousands of dollars to have uh Mr. Gay do a study page for page. He was also doing the same study in Buffalo, New York. Page
seven, here's Buffalo. Page seven, here's Bethlehem. Everything was identical. you threw your money out the door. The International Association of Firefighters did one of their first GIS studies and things got temporarily better. Our
manning got up to 22 men. Let me explain one thing. And see all the nice fire apparatus you got in the stations. I don't know if you ever go there and look at it. It's beautiful. But you got to have somebody to run it.
You can't send two guys on a piece of apparatus and hope for the best. Your 100 foot aerial ladder, it probably takes three guys to set it up, let alone somebody to operate it and use it. That there's just not the people. You have to have properly manned and staffed
apparatus and properly staffed platoon working on duty. You can't depend on somebody else coming from East at 2 o'clock in the morning. They may or may not show up. When I was an assistant chief, and I'm
sure Dave could tell this, if you had to go, god forbid, to multiple alarms, it was like, where the hell everybody go? What do you mean you're calling them from home? That's going to be hours. You have seconds, minutes. Time is of the essence in this game.
And I I want to impress that upon you. Go sometime when you got nothing to do, go to the firehouses and look at that apparatus. Count the seats in it. Like the manufacturer put all those seats not for everybody to go to a parade to be they're supposed to be used. Somebody's
supposed to be there to do something. One of the other things I noticed since the last time 20 years ago that I addressed this, you guys are paying attention pretty well. But Mr. Evans, I don't know you from the man in the moon and I'm sure you don't know me, but the
whole time I notice you're doing writing. I hope you're saying writing down that how you're going to hire more guys soon and press staffing. But that you know that makes me nuts when I see the administration just everybody look
we'll have a study. When I call 911 I don't want you to do a study. I want somebody there right freaking now. Thank you very much. >> Thank you Mr. Smith. >> Next speaker Deborah Sakarakis. Well, this is on an entirely different subject, but with support for the
firefighters. Um, I'm coming to you tonight to highlight and offer my thanks for the city's composting and recycling facilities and the leaf collection on our city streets. The facilities offer convenient places for citizens to
responsibly get rid of some types of household and yard waste and offers free compost at the yard waste facility. The compost and recycling centers are easily accessible and are staffed by friendly people who are willing to help.
I'm hoping someone will pass along my appreciation to facility crews for their kind and courteous service and also to the crews who pick up the leaves on the city streets. This joint effort encourages responsible
environmental citizenship and models positive collaborative civic relationships. Inspired by this season's focus on Thanksgiving, I'd like to also thank the council for your hard work, for your respect for the
concern of our citizens, and for your leadership, all of which keeps Bethlehem smoothly running and a really good place to live. Happy Thanksgiving. >> Thank you, Miss Hearus. Our next speaker is Ann Smith Razer.
Riser. >> Riser. >> Riser. Thank you. >> Hi, my name is Anne Smither. I live in the city of Bethlehem and I Anne Smither. I live in the city of Bethlehem, a few blocks away from here. And I am here tonight um in
support of the fire department as well. Um my brother-in-law retired this year, longtime firefighter, and I had heard from years about uh firefighting in the city. Um, I grew up here, lived a long away from a long time, came back to the
city and really started paying attention to, oh, how long does it take to get to me? How long does it take to get here? And then asking him a lot of questions. And then when this study came out um for the IFF or IIAF, I was like, "Wow,
that's that's not good." Um, and it's, you know, when you looked at that study and it said that Bethlehem and all the Pennsylvania rankings are so low, it's really not about rankings, um, it's about the safety of our firefighters and the safety of everybody in the city, um,
and them being able to get where they need to go. In my professional life, I work in the area of environment, health, and safety. I work a lot with, um, people doing safety management systems. fire at industry is always part of the
analysis. Um, and when you look at what you're doing, um, the risk management is is off the charts. You know, you have a very high level of risk and you need to bring that risk down. Um, and I did look again at some of the vision statements of the city and what the city is saying.
Um, and when the mayor says that the backbone of the city is um, let's see, what did he say? Public safety. and we look forward to making even more investments in the coming year. Well, that's great, but it really needs to start now. You're down quite a few people and you really need to start that
now. Um, so I just urge the city council to um amend the budget and um more so we can start moving towards properly staffing of the fire department. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Our next speaker is Mark Will Weber.
Mark Weber, 66 West Elizabeth Avenue. I'm going to talk about water, of course, but um I do want to acknowledge the fire guys here. um 1984 had a fire at my house and uh the irony was I was
over in Fountain Hill playing poker with an offduty fireman, Carlos Sanchez. I don't know if any of you guys work with him, but he was a beauty. But uh and near the end of the game, Carlos jumps up and says, "There's fire on the north side. I got to go right away." And he
takes off and five minutes later, I get home to find Carlos at my house with a bunch of firefighters putting out the fire. uh rescued my wife and uh so 30 I think that's like oh man how many years it's a
long time ago. Yeah 41 years later I'd like to thank what a great job those guys did because uh my life would certainly be uh dramatically different had uh Bethlehem firefighters not really uh hadn't been on the the job like they were. And in fact, I heard later, I
don't know if it's true, but uh that they used the fire at my house in training uh segments with young firefighters because it's because they did everything exactly right. And uh so I had some minor damage to my back room in the downstairs and some smoke damage,
but uh 10 minutes late and it would have been a whole another deal. All right, let me switch quickly to to water. Uh if we go back eight days when uh Mr. Buscola was up here uh pontificating and showing his charts and such, one one
chart that I found conspicuous by its absence was I didn't see a chart on um how much money they're bringing in on the new smart meters already or maybe anticipated when they get all 37,000 smart meters in because they got to be
making some money from that. But I didn't see a chart or a figure on that. So, council, you certainly should inquire about that, I think, down the road. Um uh the other thing with the whole thing that was going on with
the charts is uh you know we learned some historical facts how much water Bethlehem steel used in 1970 and that's all good but going forward uh he also was greasing
the uh skids for another uh rate hike and uh I'm here to say again without those downloadable apps where the citizen can measure their water by the hour. It would be a big mistake to fire in another rate hike. It's just going to
to uh put the lower income people, especially in this city, in danger of getting one of these unpayable bills and ending up on on uh their payment plan. Okay? I don't see a payment plan for uh people that are already precariously
close to f falling into the abyss of poverty as as a solution. That's like salt in the wound is what that is. So uh these apps would keep people off these payment plans. I don't care if it's two dozen people or three dozen people or five people. Uh imagine the humiliation
of going on this payment plan um just to pay your your water bill. But the apps, these hourly apps would head a lot of those off at the pass. So, you would keep people off that, which I think is a good thing. Uh that's not a solution to
any long-term uh thing with water to put people on these payment plans. They're probably just one other disaster away from ending up on the tow path uh with a tarp. So, uh, again, that's something to take into consideration, uh, for those
people at the low end. Um, again, at the end of the day, I just want to see, uh, Bethlehem people get treated the way uh, they are in these other cities, whether it's Neapville, Illinois, or Texar, Texas, Yakima,
Washington, uh, Paduka, Kentucky, these people all have these downloadable apps. um we should have them and uh we're not going to let go of that issue until we get them. I would like to see council make any future uh rate hikes contingent
on them coming through with this app. Um Hazelton, Pennsylvania, for God's sakes has it. And it's not exactly it's a it's a city I can't disparage it. My wife's from there, but it's a a city that's kind of struggling. But uh but they have
eye on water for their people. So certainly uh uh Ed Bosll and the boys can can match their counterparts in these cities. Right, Ed? You would think. Thanks.
Our next speaker this evening is Anthony Castillo. Anthony Castillo, C A S T I L L O. Um, lifetime uh, Bethlehem resident and tonight I stand with the Bethlehem Fire Department. Um, I remember when I was
about 15, 16 years old, a firehouse closed down and, uh, my mom was extremely concerned, you know, and as a teenager, you're not really thinking about that kind of stuff, you know. Um, but now as a father to hear these men
talk about staff shortages and uh firehouses that aren't properly staffed is very disappointing. And um, as a father and as a resident, I feel cheated to be honest. These guys tell you all these numbers and I'm sure you guys know
about it now because they've been sharing it with the residents everywhere and I thank you guys for that. Um, so, so as we hear these numbers, what are you guys doing? From my perspective, it's just being
negligent. From my perspective, you guys are just being negligent because if these guys are coming to you with these numbers, you got men that served 30 plus years ago telling you that the numbers were up here and now they're down here.
Population's up here. That's negligent. Plain and simple. You guys sit up there in your suits and ties. If something happened to one of these guys cuz they're they're operating under staffed, you guys are going to be the first ones
going up to their families shaking their hands. Am I right? First ones. But you guys actually have the power to do something. So don't stand up there talking about
uh public safety is a important matter for you right now. That's just lip service. You guys have the power to actually do something. Do it. >> That exhausts our list of who had signed up in advance of the meeting or before we started. So I'll go around the room
again. We're on anything that's not being voted on this evening. Is there anyone to the left who want to make comment who hasn't had a chance? Sir, council members, Mr. Mayor, I appreciate your time. I'm Joe Hart from 22 220
Cherokee Street in Bethlehem. I'd like you to think about something. If I could have your attention, please. I'd like you to think about something. When you need help, when I need help as a citizen, I count on these guys.
When they need help, they're all they have. If these gentlemen get in trouble on a fire scene and and I've been there, I served my community as a volunteer fireman for 37 years.
I've been trapped in a burning building. I know what it feels like. One of the reasons I'm standing here today is because the next engine happened to arrive on scene just as I needed that help. And that happened within the first 3
minutes of that call I was on. If that happens to these guys out in the northwest corner of the city or deep in the southside, that help can be seven or eight minutes away. We count on them.
They count on each other. We all have to count on you. Don't wait until something happens where we have the flags at half mass and you're sitting there saying, "Maybe we should do something." The time to do something is before that happens.
Let's Let's get it done. Thank you, Mr. Hart. Is there anyone else left who wants to make comment who hasn't had a chance? I turn to the wide center. I'll start in the front. Mr. Antalix,
Steven and Alex, 77 Ridge. I'm in shock. I I can't believe what I heard this evening. Incredible. This doesn't happen in Bethlehem.
I I I can't believe what I've heard and I believe them. They're decent, honest people. They're not being heard. Why? The word on the street is majority of council is an extension of city hall
and they're not being heard. So someone should someone should be answering them loud and clear. It should be you. You're quiet. As a gentleman said,
you're not doing your job because you're an extension of the administration. I'm in shock. I really am. And for these serious speakers who are giving data, which was shocking to me, they're
being told they're violating a five-minute rule. That's insulting. You need to hear it. You don't want to hear it because you don't like bad news. I've sat here years ago where someone
speaking about Marie in history was allowed to go double their time on that stupid clock. That's hypocrisy. That's hypocrisy. You should be outraged that from what they have told you, but
you're sitting there quietly just and many of you not even paying attention, looking aside and writing. Insulting. You were put there by them to to be their spokesperson.
You have failed them. Seriously, this is on your conscience as a collective body. Do your job. I shouldn't be saying this. Unfortunately, the mayor's not here.
You should be all over the mayor if these people are are correct, but you can't be all over him because you're an extension of city hall. You're not citizens advocates.
If you were, they wouldn't be here. They're here because they need you and you have failed them. Capital F. My god, these are decent people. I can't believe this. I really can't. I mean,
I've been in city council meetings going way back. This would have never happened when back when council was an advocate for the citizens. What are you going to do when you address the
mayor based upon what these people have told you? I would like to hear that. Thank you, Mr. Antalic. Mr. Shire, 1890 Eaton Avenue. It would seem that the authorized strength of the fire
department should be increased by about 10% from 104 to around 115 at a minimum. I feel almost apologetic talking wanting to talk now about the
year 1775. However, some of us are watching the American Revolution this week, and I just happen to be reading a book with that title by Kevin Phillips. And at one point, he's
talking about the various colonies. And he's got two paragraphs on Pennsylvania, which I found to be very interesting. This was the year before the Declaration of Independence. Pennsylvania, excuse me, was fast
growing and prosperous. Three decades of heavy immigration from Europe had made it the second most populous province, displacing Massachusetts, which in Virginia was still number one. It had the biggest
city, burgeoning Philadelphia, the colony's most central location, and the largest population of several swing ethnic and religious groups. Scotch-Irish, Germans, Quakers, Presbyterians, and Lutheran. And later
on he does mention Moravians. If this religious diversity reflected the provinces tolerance, it also generated many divisions which were not conducive to bold politics. Philadelphia was also British North
America's center of relative sophistication in matters philosophical, cultural, and scientific. Also having been established by Royal Grant only in 1683, Pennsylvania lagged the independent
thinking of the colonies a general generation or two older. A further reluctance mirrored the city colony's heritage of pacifistminded Quakerism on top of which local politics during the 1760s
were kept parochial by fierce infighting over whether to continue proprietary government under the Penn family or become a royal colony. These distractions squaltched rather than encouraged the larger debate developing
in New England, Virginia, and South Carolina. Um, I'll stop there. I'll have more another time, but couple of uh other comments the author has made. The four most radical colonies were the three
just mentioned, plus um Connecticut. Connecticut was something else. They actually had settlers in northeastern Pennsylvania and they were calling it New Connecticut and they didn't get their way. But the
um the I highly recommend the series that is being shown this week. Uh at the end of 1775, the Brit the British had no control whatsoever over any colony when they vacated Boston.
Uh however, as you may know, they returned in 1776 with 30,000 regular troops, including Hessins, landed in Long Island, chased George Washington, out of New York, all the way across New Jersey to Pennsylvania.
Things look pretty bad. And then he realized he was going to lose oh maybe half of his army before by December 31st because their enlistments were up. He needed to do something before then. And that's when, as I've told you before, he
sent an express rider to Bethlehem to Dr. Benedict, something like that, to come join the army and bring two assistants because there was going to be work for him to do in Trenton. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Shy. Anyone else in the wide center who make comment? officer here to the left. >> Thank you for hearing me. My name's Frank Costeter, 641 Franklin Street, Bethlehem. I've only been a resident 12 years, and I'm not a member of the fire department, but these guys are my
family. Okay? And as I'm retired Air Force guy, I said, "What uniform?" But I'm not a fireman, but I've experienced the death and the things that can happen to the community. And what these guys do can't even be measured by your pencils on paper and what's going on. It's time to take this serious. I don't know how
we can see. I heard the word hypocrisy. I've heard words in here that it's it's an embarrassment. I'm not a lifetime resident of Bethlehem, but I've lived here 12 years. I want to survive here. If the fire call goes off at 3:00 in the morning, I want an adequate supplied force of men to show and women to show
up and save lives. That's what this is about. This isn't about some politics or some banner or some poster or some festival. This is about human life and dignity in a city. And if I don't know about y'all, but I don't like being at the bottom of the chart. Okay, I hear we're at the low 6%. That's not a good
place to be. All right, take care of the people of this community. Thanks for listening to me. Thank you, Mr. Hostler. Miss Daniels. >> Hello everyone. Joe Daniels, 829 Broadway. Uh, most of you know my history with the city of Bethlehem. For
the new people that don't, uh, my father was a fireman for the city for, I believe, 33 years before he retired in the late 90s. So, this is something that is near and dear to my heart. Um, it in it insenses me that we are at this
point to be honest with you. Now, my understanding is that this started an administration or two ago, but it's persisted throughout this administration. Bethlehem, this beautiful city that we
live in, UNESCO heritage ground site, number one main street uh hotel, hotel Bethleam, number one historic hotel. Um, number one Main Street safest city in Pennsylvania, which we're not, by the
way. We're not even in the top 10, but this is making us even less safe. We have a crew of great people behind us that do things that you nor I could never. They run into burning buildings
to save life and property. At no point in time in any budget history should first responders budgets be cut. We are in a city that has been
growing leaps and bounds for years now. More recent since co, according to my research, upwards of 5,000 new residents since 2020. Multiple multiple new residential
buildings, multiple commercial buildings, housing thousands of new people that live in these residential buildings. new people that work in these commercial buildings. Healthc care is taken over, so they're popping up new
buildings all over the place and we don't have the emergency service backing to support it in the event of a serious emergency. So, we had 510 flats that fire. Seven other stations
outside of the city of Bethlehem came to help. Thank God we have that type of comm camaraderie with our surrounding cities and townships. Had it been something in the middle of the night, the outcome would have been
way different than what it was. Way different. So, I'm asking you guys, you have to put yourselves in these people's shoes, and you have to think, if I have a fire at my house,
what's going to happen? What's going to happen? I had a fire at my in my fireplace. It wasn't a firef fire, but it was in my fireplace. These guys, because I was scared out of my mind, there's embers floating out on my rooftop. I have people coming to my house. My roof is going to catch on
fire. This was in the winter of 2021. I don't know if any of you were at my house. Um, I was scared to death. And these gentlemen not only came in and put the fire out, they set up new fire, new smoke alarms in every dog on room in
the house. Awesome. Awesome. For Bethlehem and for us to sit up here and say all the great things about our city, and there are a lot of great things about our city. We've come a long way. This is not one of those great things.
There is no reason why our fire department should be underststaffed. And I would love to know why staffing wasn't increased from year to year. What exactly prevented that from happening?
What was spent in lie of these salaries? What was so important that we couldn't pay to hire more fire people? So, that's a question I have that I would like to get answered at some point. But in the meantime, guys, seriously, this has got to come to an
end. It's got to stop. And it's got to stop here. The budget, as big as that book is, we've got to go through it and see what can be removed to get these staffing levels up to where they need to be.
These guys are working overtime in a job where they shouldn't be working overtime. So they're working 12hour shifts and then having to pull another, I don't know, 6, eight hours. A fire call comes in, they're exhausted, mentally and
physically exhausted, but yet we're expecting them to go out and do their do their job at 100% capabilities. And that's just not possible. It's not possible. And then the numbers, $500,000 for overtime for last year, same thing for this year, but it's spent three,
four months of the year. Some the math isn't mathing in a number of areas. So, we need to really sit down, take a real hard look at the budget, see what we can finagle, move around, and get these guys the staffing that they need, the tools, the resources. I'm not just talking for
the fire department. They're here. They know they will always have my support along with the police department and EMS. Safety of our residents should come before development and everything else. >> Thank you, Miss Daniels. I'm going to ask you to wrap it up.
>> Thank you. >> Is there anyone else in the wide center serving the Flyers jersey? >> Good evening. Uh Ralph Wigum, 2620 Lafayette Avenue. I am a retired career firefighter from a different jurisdiction. And where I came
from, we had minimum staffing levels of four in an engine company, four in a truck company. How these guys are doing what they do with two guys on a engine, three guys on a truck, or three on an engine, two on a truck, whatever. I don't understand it. I can't comprehend it. I can't
comprehend how these guys aren't getting hurt left and right. Why aren't more of these guys ending up in a hospital with these staffing levels? This is unacceptable. It is completely, totally, and wholly unacceptable. I remember the days when I would be
working an overnight shift, getting up in the morning, only to be told by one of the chiefs or the captain, "Hey, uh, so and so isn't coming in today. We need, uh, we need overtime. You want to volunteer?" "No, I don't want to volunteer. I want to go home today. It's my kid's birthday party. Well, no. Sorry. Nobody else
volunteered, so you're forced. These guys are getting forced left and right. They're exhausted. They are tired. They need the staffing to augment their force. They need the proper staffing
levels. As others have said, they're working with staffing levels down here from the 1950s when they should be up here. How these guys do it, I don't know. My hat is off to them. On a parting note, um
I really don't want to ever have to put on my dress uniform to come to a funeral here in the city. Please don't ever make me do that. Give these guys what they need. And I will end by saying that
while they are upset with the city, there's one thing that they're not going to do. They are never going to turn their backs on you. ever. Please don't turn your backs on them. Give them what they need. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Anyone else in the wide center who hasn't had a chance to speak who wanted to? Is there anyone to the right? Ma'am. My name is Carol Anders, 11:26 Maple Street here in the city. Uh, I have been
a resident of this city for almost 76 years. Uh I wasn't planning on speaking tonight. Uh but I just wanted to say I agree with everything that was said back here. Um I was in a position um my father was a
police officer a year before I was born. Uh my ex-husband was a police officer and although our marriage didn't work out, he was still the father of my two children. So I do did worry about him. And now my son is on the fire department.
And all the worry that I have had almost my entire life uh seems it could be so easily rectified if people I'm looking at right now would please do your job. Make sure they get
this department gets what they need. So take a little bit of weight off the family shoulders. I can't help them, but you can help me and their families. Thank you. >> Thank you, mayor. Was there anyone else to the right who
may comment? Just another quick scan around the room. I I don't want to miss anybody. All right. Thank you everyone. That concludes our first public comment. We're are going to move on to the second public comment. This would be for anything that we're voting on this evening. So, any resolution or ordinance
that's on the agenda, we didn't have anyone sign up in advance, so I'll go around the room again. Is there anyone to the left who want to uh make comment on anything on the agenda tonight? Anyone in the wide center who wants to make comment on anything on the agenda
tonight? Anyone to the right? Okay, thank you everyone. Continue on with our agenda. Old business. Any old business from members of council? No old business. We're going to move on to new business. I have a couple general
announcements before I open it up to the floor of council. So, as we know, we're in budget season. We had uh we'll have the first reading of the 2026 budget ordinances later tonight in this agenda. That'll fall under new ordinances.
Council has had two budget hearings already, one on November 10th and one on November 12th. And then the remaining budget calendar is as follows just where everyone's uh knowledge. So Thursday, two nights from now at 6 pm here, we'll
have our third budget hearing. The agenda for the third budget hearing includes community and economic development, community development block grant funds, the police department budget, and the fire department budget will be reviewed Thursday at 6 PM here in town hall.
Then we do have our final budget meeting. This would be if any amendments are proposed. That would be for Thursday, December 4th, again at 6 p.m. here in town hall. That meeting will only happen if there are amendments proposed.
Should we have to postpone Thursday's meeting for inclement weather, which I don't believe we're going to have to. uh Monday, November 24th is reserved as a backup meeting just should we have to make up any meetings. And then the second reading of the budget and the
adoption of the 2026 budget will be on Tuesday, December 16th, our second and last our second council meeting of December, the last council meeting of the year. And that's at 7 p.m. So at the second budget, excuse me, at the second council meeting of December will be the
final vote on the budget. And then if anyone proposes any amendments to the budget, we'll have a budget meeting strictly to review those amendments for Thursday, December 4th at 6 PM. Now, I will circulate a memo as is custom. Uh everything I outlined is our typical
procedure. Uh but I just want to remind everybody that following Thursday's meeting, Friday morning, Mr. Miller, our clerk, will send out a memo. But I'll just remind everyone as we gather here tonight that we do have a deadline to submit proposed amendments to the
budget. So I'm going to ask that those are submitted a week from today. That would be noon on Tuesday, November 25th uh to the clerks and that would be for any amendments to the administration's proposed budget. So if you have anything already in mind, you can work with Mr.
Miller, you can work with uh Miss Stewart here to start getting any of that together. Um and then if anything's proposed, we'll have that meeting on December 4th. Just a reminder as it relates to voting on potential budget amendments. This is per third class city
optional charter law that any additions to the budget. So if we want to add any expenditures that requires five votes, but to delete anything from the budget, that requires four votes. So adding anything to the budget needs the support of five council members. Removing
anything from the budget requires the support of at least four council members. And if anyone has any questions about that, you can ask tonight or of course follow up with me, Miss Stewart, Mr. Miller, at any point as we progress along from now till Thursday's meeting and next Tuesday's um deadline to submit
any amendments to the budget. I just want to make sure I went through everything. Councilwoman, you had a question? Um >> I do have a question about that, but also um are we starting new business now? Uh yes, we are. Thank you. So I I didn't have anything else to announce, but Yep.
Well, you have the floor. >> Uh and I've already forgotten. Oh, yes. So my question regarding what you had just read was um if you introduce an amendment to add money to the budget, is it incumbent on you and expected that
you would include in that amendment where the funding would come from since we do have a balanced budget? >> That that would be correct. If you're going to add an expenditure, you have to the the budget has to be balanced. So if you're going to say, you know, I
want to increase this line item, then we have to decrease a line item. When we say we >> or whoever is introducing the >> person who's introducing the amendment because it wouldn't be assumed that somebody else would go looking for the savings unless people wanted to work together or in some way
>> whoever's prop I would say it's incumbent on whoever's proposing the amendment >> to do the work use their resources to identify whether it's going to be the general fund a general fund expenditure if we're increasing a line item or we decreasing
the line item to balance that out. Thank you. So, um I'm glad that a lot of you have stayed. Um so, I'm Hillilary. I haven't met most of you. Um I wanted to first of all tell you that um I know that um there are some people who think that when I'm writing that I'm not
listening. I'm actually taking copious notes. Um so, I have m the two Mr. Roofs lots of your information. Uh Mr. Jimenez, Miss Ms. Jimenez and her um very moving remarks. I pay a lot of attention. It just so happens that I happen to write down what I'm listening
to. So, I just wanted to make sure everybody understood that I was absolutely listening to you and I appreciate you coming out tonight. Mr. Evans, I have a few questions also. Um, Chief, you might end up being part of that as well. So, um, so first of all, I just want to make sure we're not cutting
our first responders budgets in any way this year, correct? >> No, there are significant increases in police, fire, and EMS spending. >> Okay. Thank you. >> 2026. >> Um, and so in the last four years, can you tell me how we've done it? I know
that we've been down. Um, how many firefighters have we hired and and taking into account obviously the attrition, the retirements and all of that, but how many have we actually managed to place? Chief is getting to the microphone. So,
>> I don't have the numbers with me. we sent to the account was it 15 and then 2023 and 12 this year. >> I'm sorry. It was in the last three years. >> Um yeah, just yeah since we've >> uh including those who graduated last Thursday, 35 firefighters in the last
three years. >> Thanks. And how many have we lost to retirement and nutrition and things? >> At least 35, possibly 36 because there's one one spot we haven't been able to fill. >> Okay. So obviously there's a challenge in in getting even getting up to our
full complement. >> Yes. Uh retirements have been taking place at a much faster rate than we were able to hire and fill the positions for a while. That is correct. >> Um and then we added uh a second academy. Um Mr. Evans, can you share how
much we we we did that midstream during the budget last year, didn't we? After the budget had been approved. So we did it as an extra expenditure. There was an expenditure. We came to council for a transfer mid last year to be proactive and bring back as many as we could at the time. The issue with placing fires
academy that runs in Allentown begins in January. It's 6 months in length. So unlike other uh areas you might be able to hire and on board them rather quickly. There's a there's a delay in both application process which is significant and then the academy which is also quite
lengthy. So each and every time we'll lead up to work work closely with human resources as well as a police chief to make sure we have a full count exactly to the budget amount and anyone that leaves we account for that and that position is filled and sent to the next available academy.
>> The issue of um 20 years ago there's a spike in hiring that leads to 20 years later that same spike is going to occur again based on not everyone that starts leaves at the same time based on their family conditions. They may have kids, they may like working, they may want to leave working, whatever it is. So, it's
staggered. There's no like any of us, there's not a requirement to let us know. There's a drop program and some people, for example, there's a um a drop retirement that's scheduled for March 1st. So, we have that one filled. Someone's going to the academy in January. >> One person who's on the drop,
>> one person would be in March 1st. Yeah. So, the seven that we have selected to go to the academy in January includes that position. And so it's already being filled before the position is actually vacated. So we look to do that each and every time. And I want to give Chief
Griffin lots of credit because at the time he was a training captain, spent a lot of time under um very short time constraints in order to prep that summer academy because that was something we hadn't done before. We had to vet Harrisburg Community College itself as a
uh an academy. Allentown has always been very good. was very reputable to send people out there um at a distance at a place we're not familiar. It took quite a bit of investigation to do that and then to oversee it during that time, but it was successful. We brought a number of cadets back from that. Uh we and then we did the two again this year. This
year Allentown had out of summer was not guaranteed Allentown will have one every summer. >> Okay. >> They did last summer we used it that those three three of the four one was injured. So, the one that was injured, three graduated, one will return to the academy prorrated in the spring and join
that class of seven for class of eight and attempt to keep at at the full budgeted force. >> Okay. And um so I'm sorry I forget. Do you remember how much that was in the budget? How much >> it's approximately $20,000 per cadet? For example, this year we have budgeted
up to 15 is in the 2026 budget. Um, and that's the total of it is $300,000. That's tuition, the equipment that they will need, including when they return in the bunker gear and everything that will go on to make sure that they're prepared to enter the force when they when they
get started. So, it's a $20,000 investment each one. >> So, we're expecting to put 15 people through, 15 cadets through hopefully >> the funding's there for it. And if you know, if the positions are open, we'll yeah, we'll make sure that that's there. Again, the eight are there to do it to bring it to to full force. That's a plan
that's in the budget right now. Uh if there are more that uh would retire between now and then if there's a summer academy whether we explore Harrisburg again if Allentown offers it that's a decision we make as we move along. >> So that brings me to a other question which is about being the full
complement. So if we get those eight in then we're at our full what we what we have at funding level. Um so just understanding that uh that still sets us according to the IIAFF study that sets us below what maybe we should be
shooting for um you know aspirationally to to be at a at a better um staffing rate. >> I think there's always going to be a lot of opinions about what that number is and that's the you the magic question. That's why we are looking to and we are
have initiated an objective study uh that and it's something we haven't deviated. It's a plan we talked about with the IFFF multiple times with the mayor uh in his conference room. I was there. Chief Reich was there until Chief Griffin started. He attended as well as
deputy chief was in attendance. Our director of human resources Michelle Sahaki as well as a number of members of the IFFF. And it has been the plan and the discussion that a a study the first time the one the last one I've seen was 1995 and the commitment was made to the
mayor and uh uh that was the agreement that we were going to initiate this study at the cost uh of what it may take to do a comprehensive fire and EMS. The fire department was made between the fire bureau and the EMS EMS bureau. I mean there's synergies between the two
with regards site location and that the study itself is quite comprehensive that it does include the apparatus which we feel we are the best equipped and we'll talk about a lot of this on Thursday night. We're getting a little bit ahead of some of the things we're hearing tonight because this is a Thursday night discussion really. That's when the what
the hearing is for. But uh we made a um what what was my my point to >> just that you the study that >> oh the yeah the study itself is going to include everything from the apparatus to the maintenance of the equipment on the
apparatus to the site location to scheduling to response times. >> Okay. So it it it is um going to be something that will cover all facets and and that's something we've ultimate consistent is we're not going to make decisions uh without that. That was
always part of the plan. We're going to do a full comprehensive study to make decision about how many where they might be. We can't talk you know what the the study that we're heard about a little bit tonight came out on very short notice within 18 hours or so um of the announce of it was available and it was
going to be at a public safety meeting. It was a day before the budget hearing so we could not even attend that we had no chance to be there for that meeting itself. So until we have even a chance to look that as well as well as a study there may be some matches of what we're talking about. There may be some parts
of where we digress but then made decisions among the fire administration as well as the mayor to make decisions on how we're going to move forward based on the metrics and the data that comes back from that study as well. So, I know that again I know this is a Thursday night discussion, but as you know, this
place is pretty empty during the budget hearings themselves. Um, I think we can all agree that it's kind of sad to come in here to talk to the administration about the budget and not see everybody show up and and uh and pay attention then. So, I just have one question more
I think that is budget related, but I still want to ask it tonight. So, please um bear with me. Are we keeping positions open to balance the city's budget? >> No. No. We fill it each and every time. We've always been clear on that. And and also comments on overtime. Salaries and
overtime work uh inversely. We we we budget that every position is filled. That's the way we put our budget across all departments. What we do. We're not going to assume people are quitting or leaving or they might. So each position is filled and down to the point of it knows when they're taking steps. Each of
the union contracts have steps. Our budgeting module will calculate when that step, who gets it. Some of them are if they're top, they don't get it, but if they're getting one, that's put into there. So that salary line, which you can see on Thursday night, appears in 401. Overtime's 403.
Overtime, that's plenty. What is in there if all those positions are full, if their people do leave, and again, they can retire when they want to, and if they retire, that salaries line goes down. And that's why overtime doesn't need because there's an inverse correlation. salaries will go now and that would cause overtime to go up. So
the funding and you'll see that um in the budget as well, but between the salaries and overtime, I think it's a $300,000 increase from 25 to 26, it's enough to cover both. We don't have cost overruns. We don't hold out positions. We don't have budget shortfalls on that. I think we're budgeted appropriately and
some of the things you see Thursday nights. We continue to make a large investment in all three of our public safety sectors, police, fire, and EMS is is quite large. We're quite proud of it and I think we think you should be too for the amount of money that the taxpayers are placing both the capital
but way more than capital is the uh personnel and the investment in our staff. >> Thank you. And I would just um my own editorial comment is is my privilege here in this seat is to say that I've been proud to vote for the budgets and the increases in the salaries through
the collective bargaining agreement uh year after year that I've been here. um one year that included uh our need to raise revenue and and increase our taxes here in the city. Um made the decision to vote for that. That increased our paramedic compliment and of course
included the 3 or 4% uh salary increase for our firefighters so that they could continue to be compensated fairly in accordance with their collective bargaining agreement. And uh I think it's important to note that uh that's a commitment that um all but one of the
council members that year made. Um one of them chose not to fund that those positions and not to uh make the hard choice to ensure that we were fully paying our firefighters and our uh police officers and increasing our EMS compliment. Thank you, Mr. President.
>> Any other new business from members of council? Councilwoman Cray Smith. Um, first I'll start off that the finance committee will meet on Tuesday, December 2nd, 2025 at 6 PM in town hall. The 2024 city audit will be reviewed. A proposed
budget transfer, the purchase and additional police vehicle will also be discussed. Grace Crampsy Smith, chairwoman of the chairwoman of the finance committee. Um, I just have two questions also regarding the firefighters. Mr. Evans, um, for this study that's going to be conducted, what
standard is going to be used? Do you know is it going to be the NFPA or what what is going to be the barometer as far as knowing that we're within that standards that we need to be? >> There's multiple standards and we're still working. I'm not prepared to talk about the study in detail this evening. >> So,
>> okay. Is there a reason that the mayor's not here? Do you know? Is there something that is more pertinent than this meeting? >> I don't have an answer. >> Okay. I wouldn't ask except it just seems like he misses so many meetings. If it was more the exception the rule, I wouldn't ask. I feel that it's really
important that he w should have been here. >> I think the mayor has I think I know the mayor has a a large number of public commitments. I think we're all aware of how often the mayor needs to be out into the public as well as attending city council and he does I know he does the best to balance his schedule so he can
attend both three places at once. >> It's more the rule than the exception that he's not here and for being a mayor especially when we have uh so many firefighters here on an important issue. Um, the other issue is, and I'm not sure if you would know or um if the fire
chief would know, can we give an approximate number of how many people are eligible to retire like as of today? >> I mean, I've heard I've heard like 25 to 30 possibly that are eligible to retire as of today. >> I believe the number of 25 would be would be accurate. That would include a
small number of individuals buying back some sick time, but I I believe that puts us about a quarter of the way through the department who would be eligible for either early retirement or full retirement at this point. >> Okay. And I guess it's it's difficult probably to um foresee who would be eligible to retire next year. Do you
have any numbers on that? >> Well, by the date of hire, we can tell who's eligible for retirement, but that's a personal decision. We don't have the right to ask those individuals what their intentions are when they they plan to retire. Um we and the union have both asked you know if people know they're going to leave to please give
the city uh adequate time to prepare but there is no requirement for that and and we don't have the right to ask them what their personal intentions on retirement are. So it's impossible for me to to know that. >> Okay. Thank you. I know that's just difficult because we already have 25 that can retire and they all decide to retire. Even if we're putting more in
the budget for next year we're still going to be um have a shortage in staff. Um >> correct. And just because people reach the age where they can retire doesn't mean they're necessarily all going to run out of here at the same time. Uh you know their family circumstances like Mr. Evan Evans mentioned are are the
variable there. So we really have no way in knowing that. >> Okay. Certainly. And then the other problem is you know once we find out somebody's going to retire because the academy is only in January unless there's one at Harrisburg. Um it could be a year or more until we can replace
that person till somebody can go through the academy. at least six months to a year, I would think. Right. >> You're correct. That depends on when they retire based on the start of the next available. >> Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Which I think is how we got into this situation in the first place because we have so many
retirees and we did not staff the fire department as we needed to in the last I know six years at least. >> Well, the the Allentown's the one I said is a maybe they might do it. They commit. Harrisburg is always in the summer if I'm correct, Chief. So that is if the numbers there if it makes sense
if it's one or you know two needs to make administrative decision are we are we sending that many go out and taking out uh all administrative um supervisors to be involved. So that's a little bit different decision some of the some of the math that goes into the Harrisburg versus Allentown's much more
convenient and much more efficient. But if there's a number open we will employ that Harrisburg as a new option because it's worked out well. >> Right. Right. And that helps. It's just that it could end up Yeah, >> some months up to a year until we could fill that position which is really difficult.
>> Okay, thank you. I don't have any more questions. Um I just want to stay give some comments and I thank everyone for coming and um commenting tonight. There were a lot of great comments. Today in the news in Philadelphia there was a woman and two children five and six years old that died in a house fire. Firefighters arrived within four minutes
which is in the national guidelines yet they couldn't save the children and their mother. We are not arriving within four minutes due to staffing shortages for more than half of the fires that we have to get to. I'm really concerned, God forbid, there's a tragedy of lost
lives, and I don't want that to be on my conscience. Currently, we have left less firefighters, as we said, than we did in the 70s. And in those years when Betham Steel was active, they had grown fire department that covered 25% of the city. So currently our firefighters are covering 25% more land with
significantly greater development in apartments, warehouses, and industries throughout the city land. I just don't get the logic in this. Our go our government's commitment in this city has to be to public safety of residents, businesses, and the many, many visitors that we have. It has to be our primary
responsibility because if we cannot provide public safety, really what else matters? The firefighter staffing study provide us with really vital information and data that paints a scary picture relative to first fire response and safety within our city because of
staffing shortages and the fact that we did lose one fire station. The smaller the crew size naturally the more tasks that an individual has to complete which contributes to delays in initiating the fire attack and containing the fire and limiting limiting property damage. Someone had mentioned about the 510 flat
fire, how we had to have seven neighboring departments respond and that really raises serious questions about manning levels which in turn raises questions about the capacity of Betham Fire Department to respond to large fires and it also weakens those responding companies in their coverage
areas. It was also mentioned that the Betham Fire Department is only 10% of the city budget, the lowest of other similar cities in the state. For example, Erie is 23% of the budget. Scranton is 21%. Allentown is 21%.
And while we do additional firefighter positions in the 2026 budget, I will be proposing an amendment to add four more firefighters and additionally promoting four firefighters to the position of lieutenant so that we can have an officer at ED engine 9, engine 9 during
all the um all the shifts that are necessary. Like I said before, even though we're putting more uh firefighters in the budget, we still have a significant number of people that are able to retire, more that will could retire next year. And I know from talking to the
firefighters that the amount of mandatory overtime is really killing them. And many are wanting to retire because they just can't keep up with the overtime. They're losing their quality of life and the time that they should be with their families. in addition to the stress and the adverse effects it has on
their health. I really hope that my colleagues on council will concur and support my amendment and I hope the administration will work with me to find the funds necessary for these positions. But if not, I'll find the funds within the budget. I just want to end with a really quick story. Once there was an
8-year-old girl and she had to go into a hospital ICU to see her father who was in an oxygen tent. And back in those days, oxygen tents covered you from your head down to your stomach. He was a first responder and had a really severe heart attack on the job
that was life-threatening. That 8-year-old girl did not understand why her daddy was in a 10 and why she could not hug or kiss him. She also couldn't understand why her dad and her family's life was forever changed since that day. That little girl was me and I now
understand. I understand that first responders can never guarantee that they will arriveo arrive home safely or unharmed. I knew because it happened to my dad. Our life was changed forever financially, emotionally, and otherwise. And his life was cut short because of
the stress of his job. First responders risk their health and their lives every day for us, and we must give them the support and staffing we need. I have another issue to bring up, but I don't know if anybody else wants to talk about first responders since we're on that subject first and I can wait.
>> Uh, thank you, Councilwoman. I'll I'll stick to the topic of fire and then come back to you then. >> Sounds good. Thank >> you. First of all, I want to thank all of you for coming here tonight. I heard you and I'm sure a few others up here heard you, too. Chief, I respect you and
uh I support you and the guys underneath you 100%. Uh, I also understand it, you know, I understand that you're in a difficult position because you're the head of of of the fireman, but you're also part of administration and have to sometimes um, for lack of better words,
tow the the party line, you know. Um, Mr. Mr. Evans. Um before I get in that, so I I want to also thank you because um I had two fires that affected me in the
last uh two years. I had a small I have a 7,000 square foot uh building, three units on Lindy Street, very old building, dry. Um there was a little um oil fire on one of the units uh stoves
like that. It went up the wall. Very dry place. No sprinkler systems in it. So, you know, it's 120 year old building. Went up the wall. It was into the wall in the uh in back of the um uh the hood,
you know, the uh ventilation hood uh like that. The tenant ran out, called 911. I got called over there. I went over there. You guys were there like that. Got it out. Otherwise, I have uh three tenants that live
upstairs in the upstairs unit. One's a little girl. So, I I hate to even think of what would have happened if there was a delay in you guys getting there because it could have been very serious. Number two was my son. My son lives lived on the fifth
floor at 510 flats literally right underneath the fire. Um, thank God for the u um alarm systems and the sprinkler systems because he he was working from home as an engineer and um the alarms
went off. He actually thought it was a uh a fire drill and looked outside, didn't see anything. He called my daughter who who works in 610. What's going on? Nothing. He looked out again and saw people running out of Starbucks. So, he went downstairs. I got a I was in
a uh it wasn't a city council meeting, but I was in a meeting for city council with um you know some people. I got a phone call that the uh 510 flats was on tire on fire and I got pictures of it with the you know the flame shooting up in the air. I lost my wife 19 years ago
to cancer. If I would have lost one of my kids, I I would have went insane. uh jumped up, called it. Thank God that my son answered the phone immediately. So within five seconds of me seeing the pictures, I'm thinking, "All right, he's safe. Is Eric out?" Yep. Cody out. Yep. Good. Stay there. I'll be over in a
little bit. So I want to thank you for your service and the professionalism that you show the city on a daily basis. So I I I thank you for that. Mr. Evans, if we um and maybe this is more for chief, if
we came up with funding for four more firefighters, new funding above and beyond what's already established, is do you think there's the ability, and I know there's problems with the with the fire academy, would there be do you
think there be enough people coming through the fire academy to fill those four new positions? If if if council and if if if it was if if it was the will of council, I'm not saying it's there, but if it was and we came up for funding for I don't know uh
exactly where Miss Grace Crampsy Smith got the numbers, but I I would be for that if we if council supported adding four more firefighters, do you think that that that money could be fulfilled uh by hiring four additional firefighters on top of the current
staff? ing that we already have and also of the vacancies that we already have. >> Uh so we we would have very little window to to make this happen for the January 15th start of the fire academy. Okay. Uh with that being said, there would have to be background checks that had to be finished and those individuals
would had to go for their psychological and mental health evaluations and uh their physicals before they could receive an offer of employment. um we would do everything within our power to to make sure that if we were told to hire additional individuals that we had them ready. Uh but we have a very short
window and we would have to get working on something like that immediately. Uh we had a civil service meeting earlier tonight where the list was certified for the seven individuals we're going to send to the academy. Uh there is one additional person remaining on that list that was certified. Uh so we would also
have an issue where civil service would would have to certify the remainder of the list to add additional people and I don't know that would be a question for uh human resources whether or not that could be could be accomplished in that timeline. M >> Mr. Evans, so you were talking about the
correlation between the overtime and and the um salary payroll. >> Yes. >> So obviously if if if we hired more people, our payroll would go up. And in the theory that I think you were trying to explain, if payroll goes up because we hire more people, there's a
possibility that the overtime then would come down. >> We we the way the budget's presented, it's assumed that there's a each position is filled, right? That's our goal to have every position filled. That's budgeted. If people start leaving
in March, someone retires on Mar, not that drop, but one that we don't know about, March 1st, leaves, we're not going to be able to act on that until when's the is it July when the hack would start. >> I would have to check on the start date. It would either be late June or early
July. So there's four months of salary that we weren't expecting that would be saved, but it this can be used to pay for overtime if that position needs to be backfilled if it's a day where overtime is used to fill that position for the person who left in between the
sessions. So between the two, it's kind of a wash is the way it works. Those two together add up to cover the personnel cost between 401 and 403 during the year. I'm not I'm not going to hold you to this number, but I'm just
cur off the top of your head. Best guess. >> Yeah. If we hired if we wanted to hire four more firefighters, what do you think that would cost with with everything with uh salary and then benefits and and medical and >> um
could be close to half a million dollars because there's academy at 20,000 ahead sending him the academy and then there's uh salary step on there's fringe benefits we'll have to recalculate >> from medical. So yeah, I'd have to run some calculation to have an
understanding of what what it would take and go through the the budget lines, make sure I'm not missing something, so I won't want to quote that tonight. >> No, no, I know. I just I I appreciate you trying, >> but it could be, you know, $500,000. >> Yeah. >> So, we're we So, in 2024,
2025, in both those years, we spent $500,000 each in overtime. Correct. >> A little more. Um, I don't, again, I don't have my information on me now. I don't remember. There's budget of 500. there's over a
million but then so it's 500 over but sellers ended up 500 less because of the >> right wash I mean if we hired I mean I'm not saying it's a it's a complete wash but if we hired four more firefighters
to help uh alleviate uh it would help alleviate some of the a lot of the overtime that we're currently already paying for which is already in the budget. They would have to be there on day one ready to go. Like again right now the crunch is realistically if a council makes until the vote happens
>> those hires those >> cadetses would go to their class in July. >> We'd see them in November until they come out. That's part of the problem that makes it more complex. We can't fire someone up and have them ready by March. It'smies are long. I mean there
almost six months. But but we would have if we don't do anything now though, we'd have the same problem a year from tonight if we had the same discussion. >> So I understand that there there's there's leeway in ramping up uh you know the cadets through the academy,
>> but it's we're going to have the same problem next year if we don't do something now about it. So to me it would make more sense to try to find additional funding now um in the general fund for four additional firefighters. I mean it chief
is we don't have a um we don't have a an officer at engine 9 at all. >> Uh that's correct. The the current situation is the officer that works at a company 6 on Broad Street is uh responsible for district of company 6
and company 9. Listen, I we we we lucked out on that 510 flats fire because had some of the surrounding communities had an event going on in
their in their communities at the same time, I'm not sure that we would have got the help. How many other wasn't there like four other communities, you know, or firefighting units or from the surrounding, you know, communities that came here and helped us out? Was Heler
Wasn't Heler Town here? Allentown? >> I believe we had seven seven departments in various capacities that assisted that day, but I I'd have to double check that. Listen, I I know every union uh is always
um wanting more uh workers, you know, and and more employees because the the we're always being asked to do more with less. But this is at a critical point, I think. I mean, we don't need to I mean, we're were talking earlier about doing a
study. Why do we need a study? There's your study. that the study showed up tonight and told you what the stud is going to say. You know, that's all we do. All we do is is spend money on studies and and consultants. You know, the mayor gave us a list of
consult he if he would have hired some people and I'm not going to mention any names, but you know, obviously uh you know, M Mr. Antalis, you know, said that um um that we're an extension of the
administration. I can assure you Mr. Reynolds is not considering me an extension of the administration. I can guarantee you that. And nor do I want to be an extension of the administration. Our job up here is to an to ask the tough questions and do the
things that need to be done for the city, not just for political terms, you know. So, I I don't know. I I uh Miss Crampy Smith, I'd love to sit down with you in the next day or two. It obviously has to be done very quickly if we can find
$500,000 somewhere in in in in the budget. If we don't do it now, we're going to be in the same spot next year. And I think everybody on council needs to understand that because next year it'll be is the academy at the same time every year.
Twice every year. And it goes back to again the number of eligible retirees. We have a track record. I mean some of the folks here that spoke tonight been around longer than I've been, but I've been here 16 years. In the last three years, it spiked two at least twice what it was through the other based on the
ages that are available to do that. That also comes to an end. But it was not the if you go back a couple years ago it was three, it was three. It was zero left, zero left. So some years the reason we send them academy because no one left. That's why if everyone's there and everyone's coming back, are you going to hire more when everyone's there? Not in
that year. You're fully funded. The budgets, the money is spent on everyone and everyone's there. It worked out great. But when they start leaving and without knowing some of them what you know they're and this is they're right uh they leave with maybe a weekend notice that I'm wrapping up and get the
notice that they're leaving 3 days from now. That's hard to plan to do that. So the goal you know the as it's not the goal but the facts of the situation are that the number of eligible to retire is also going to be reduced that this issue is not a forever hasn't always been like
this. This is something we started experiencing when that group from 20 years ago that were hired started to enter the same realm. So, we're filling them the quickest we can. We fill every single one that that leaves. We still we fill one for one, but the issue is is the timing delay.
is the uh I I know there's a ton of restrictions on them and I'm not well as well verssed in in in the laws as you are, but the ARPA money is that money can that money be used for payroll for fire departments or police departments?
>> What line? There's not really It's in 0901. It's in affordable housing. It's in homeless. That's where it's at right now. That's >> Yeah, but it's in homeless. It's in the uh >> community recovery fund. Ho how much money in the budget is towards uh affordable housing and uh and the
homeless shelter? A few million >> that was two million in for the homeless shelter. But I believe there's plans which you're going to hear about Thursday night where that is plans for the the funding. And also the other issue is one of our bedrock principles is that we were looking for something if we're
going to add recoccurring expenses that are going to be here. You're adding something that's going to be gone in one year. Here it is fixed and then that money's gone and we were imbalanced. Now we have like we those memos I showed you from 15 years ago in 2010 2011 as we um
had issues of doing cash um problems with our bond ratings when you start trying to do that and take on an initiative without a true reoccurring funding sourcing. here we got through 2026 because I think one of the worst things that CE cities do is oh let's do it and then we'll find the funding later
and it always gets harder you know that not easier to find funding to cover something unless it's a reoccur recurring funding revenue or a reoccurring cut expenses that's not coming back the very following year and we're we got nowhere. So I think that's one concern I would have.
>> Well I I and I agree and and I understand that. I just think that with the timing as it is right now and finding out this information is so close to after the mayor's budget has already been presented, >> I'm just trying to do a a quick fix uh
now so we can come up with the funding now for four officers. And I for $500,000 there's got to be a somewhere in the general fund that we can come up with four five four $500,000 between the the ARPA money whether we take $100,000
from the affordable housing or hundred thou and $100,000 from uh the the homeless shelter and and I I think there's what you you said there's $2.5 million there total >> homeless. I believe there's two if I remember correctly. I don't have my
budget book with me tonight, but uh I think that number was two. >> Yeah. >> So, that's a th You'll see a Thursday night when we're here. You'll see. We'll go through those lines. You'll see what's available from But again, I I would caution that. We wouldn't support that because it's just going to put us into a problem a year from now. You
bring these people and now we have cadets and we have >> Isn't Isn't this a problem now though? >> Isn't this a problem now? >> You can move the mic now that the academy is in July. So, we get back to the timing issue. I don't know what we're solving right now. If you move the money, July is the next academy. So,
there are some realistic hurdles for us to get to where we need to go to truly come out the backside and be have a reasonable, workable, long-term solution. We're not we're not going to solve anything in January and February other than sending eight cadets to the
academy. Well, I I I just, you know, between now and uh the budget hearing for fire and police is what? Uh Thursday. >> Thursday. Yeah, >> Thursday. I I I would hope that uh myself and Miss uh Crampsy Smith and anybody else here on council that would
like to get together and I and try to find a 200 or $300,000 from the general fund. I don't think that's an impossible thing to do. And I I loved Miss uh Quiet Tech's comments. It sounds like she she's all for supporting the you know
all all of you and and and I hope that would include adding four more firefighters or the funding for it. Um that's all we can do. I can't have I can't make wave a wand and have four more people come out of the academy. But
what we can do right now to help your problem is uh provide funding for four more firefighters on top of what you already have budgeted. And that's I think um it's is it exactly what you need right now? No.
But I think it's a start. And I if we could do that and I think it's very possible if the will's there, if the true wills there and people aren't just talking, we could find $400, $500,000 like that in the general fund. There's going to be other there's going to have
to be other areas that get hit. And I don't want to take money from the homeless shelter. I don't want to take money from uh affordable housing, but if that's where it's got to come from 200 and 200, I I'd be 100% supportive of that. We we we already have a homeless
shelter at the um what church is that on uh the Betham housing one or the the homeless shelter for the um on market. >> Not a church. >> Yes. And and and they're already providing those services, right? I mean,
they have been. >> So I I know that's a complicated discussion. Again, we're going into a different very different way, but I'll just a lot of moving pieces. Mr. Calhan, by no mean am I trying to cut you off, >> but on Thursday, we're reviewing the
police budget, the fire department budget, and I know a lot of the members obviously are here tonight and spoke tonight, and I I welcome everyone to come out again Thursday night, 6 p.m. And um but also the community and economic development budget Thursday. So, we'll all have our bud I don't even have my budget book with me tonight. So,
just and I'll remind entire council as we have these conversations and new businesses yours to speak. just there are certain things that I don't want to hear it again on Thursday when we don't have the information in front of us to you know if questions could be asked and answered on Thursday I welcome them
being asked on Thursday and given everyone the opportunity to answer them with those materials in front of us >> I I agree and I and I appreciate those comments and I didn't h I don't have my budget book with me all you know either but that's why I was asking Mr. Evans, you know, I, you know, it's off the top of his head. I have no idea how much
four firefighters would cost. And and I I appreciate you giving us a ballpark figure. I'm not holding you to it. So, um, but I think if it's really truly something that if we believe what was said tonight, and I and I think the day
we we don't need a study. The study's right there. So, let's find the money for four more firemen and and to try to get um our services for the fire department up to where they
should be. I mean, not only not only uh are we understaffed compared to compar or or two comparable cities of our size, but I don't think there's any city our size that has the events that we have, a
casino, two two uh two universities, um music fest, arts quest, I mean all the different Celtic fest, all the different festivals that we have in this city and in and all the tourism that we get during Christmas. There's no city
our size that can even come close to the amount of people that come in this city on a regular basis. And we're not just talking about fires. We're talking about car accidents. Um my daughter had a um a health event about 10 years ago. The
fire department got there before EMS and thank God she she made it. So, I I thank you for coming in. I appreciate the time, Mr. Evans. Thank you. Chief, thank you. And hopefully by
next Thursday or this Thursday, um we can sit down and try to find some money for four additional firefighters. And I would hope then that we could probably get, you know, uh a lieutenant over at uh Engine 9, right? So, thank you very
much. You have until next Tuesday to submit amendments. So don't set don't set your don't hold yourself to just Thursday, Mr. Callahan. You got a week to work on it to submit something to Mr. Miller. Any any other new business for members of council as we stay on the
fire department? Councilwoman Larry. >> Thank you. Um anecdotally, I am a little surprised. I know that there have been staffing issues for years. I've met with several people over the past couple of years
talking about that um on the administration and the the fire uh union side. Um I recall though last year being um you know encouraged by I think
it was at our budget meetings the union representatives and the administrative representatives uh talking about how well things were going um and how there was progress being made in staffing and how things were moving in the right
direction and we weren't there yet and but it was going that way. So then when there was the um you know public safety meeting which I work full-time during the day I couldn't attend uh at that time but I was like wait what what and
then there's another study and I I've just got to say like I'm I'm sitting here trying to take it all in from all sides and I'm a little bit just surprised and confused and trying to understand everything as we move forward. Um
however uh moving forward right like we we can't deny data that exists. There's apparently more data coming. I'm not going to um ask questions about specific dollars because we do have our
hearing on Thursday. Um I have a few general questions though while the larger group is here. Um, so the two studies, why were there two separate studies initiated and where did the funding for
each of those studies come from and who determined the timing for each of those studies? >> I I won't speak for the other study. We we have not done a study yet that was from understand conducted
by the labor union the AFF. So we'll let Mr. Gimenez talk about well who funded their study and the motivations behind their study. >> What? So and yours is >> is this are we doing this? >> Yeah. I I just want to give Mr. Evans
are you done answering Councilwoman Leard before I >> if I segue it may make sense to let Mr. him and his talk and then I'll talk about the one that hasn't happened yet. But >> if you will speak on the one that the union conducted, Mr. Gimenez, please. >> Okay. The the study the GIS staffing study was funded fully by the
International Association of Firefighters. That money comes through our union dues and is a service provided to any city within the international. So there was zero dollars that were paid from the city for that. It was paid out
of our union dues. uh regarding the the timing that that the study did come out. The study came out and a meeting was scheduled. Um that meeting was not done purposely the day before the mayor's uh budget address. That
wasn't a tactic. That was something that uh just came and we took the opportunity to present the data. Uh regarding the relationship with fire administration, the relationship with fire administration is good. I mean, we don't we don't always see eye to eye, but we
always work together, and I just want that to be known. The disconnect that I see from my side of the aisle is above the fire administration, and that's where we need improvements. Um, I don't know if the disconnect is communication
between the union and administration above the fire administration because I'll definitely go and talk to whoever needs to hear it. But I think they need to listen to their subject matter experts first. And in
this case, I'm thinking they're not. >> That's all I got. Thank you, Mr. Jimenez. >> And then in terms of the other study, yes, thank you for clarifying. And I am glad to hear that there wasn't a shift that I had missed in in between the the
union and the the uh fire administration at least >> but um so okay so a second study was initiated that is not just looking at fire correct >> it's fire that this goes back it's it's
been number of months and meeting with the IFFF with the mayor to talk about the idea the mayor wants to commit to a full comprehensive objective study, not run by the labor union, but this will be an objective study, an outside source.
It's going to have a committee to look at it and that would be completed before we make decisions on who, where, how many with regard to both fire and EMS. We would like more information on response times.
And again I we weren't because the timing of it the way it all worked out and I'm not you know throwing any aspirations anyway but fact was it was just impossible for us to be at that meeting from parts where here it's some of that that came out of the study where let's the firehouse lynen and gap but
there's no appropriate lynon and gap and there's just a lot of answers and questions that come out of that study that we hope our study the the one that we're going to be conducting will have conclusions that will bring it more clear. Maybe the studies will be
complimentary in some areas. I would imagine they would be divergent in other areas. But this is a study we want to do with the fire administration, the administration itself. We need to understand uh the cost, not a lot of costs. We're also um provided during the study. It was this and this, but what it
what does it mean? It has to mean something to taxpayers and council. We need to be able to present what does this mean? What does it cost? Is it feasible? Is it reasonable? some of those charts that we looked at in the in the first study would be very honestly very very difficult when you're talking about tax increases that would require
some of that to become to fruition. That's just the reality of it. So what are the creative solutions that we can work on in a number of different ways and that's what this study is intended to complete but it's a full from site to response time to staffing scheduling to
equipment and fire and EMS as you know now um EMS are located within the firehouses so it's a different look than it was and I know it happened years ago and didn't work that well years ago and then went away it's back appears to be working pretty well but we want to look at that from an outside experts and
bring that to us to bring conclusions that we could then make decisions on. >> And uh the study would or would not include police. >> It's not police. No, this is this is fine. This is talks that the mayor and and our group had with the IFS specifically explaining this is what we
intended to do. >> Seemed to be quite agreeable at that time for most of the months. everything was agreeable, understood, and the number of people in the room that witnessed that um fact and how those conversations went that that was agreeable that this is where we're going with this and based on this we're going to be making some decisions.
>> Sure. Uh so >> okay. And the timeline for launching the study and getting data back, what is >> uh the the request was sent out um in September. Number of proposals were received on October 31st.
interviews will be conducted in I think the first week of December. It's right after Thanksgiving. The Thanksgiving is next week. So, the week after that I think are some of the interviews to to uh bring some groups in and talk to them and see what they can offer, what their
presentations look like. Um probably will because of the timing of that that misses council deadline. So that would probably come into council in the form of the what the 12 12105 the um a consultant needs to be approved by the city council. So the one that's chosen
will be brought in January because it's going to be too late to bring that to you in um December 16th I think is the last meeting. So if we bring it the first meeting in January that proposal if it's voted if it's approved we then
move into the contracting phase. uh the we expect this study uh we ask for it to completed in four to five months is is the goal and that's something we'll be talking about as groups come in. There's a lot to it. Some of the groups um we expect that are quite capable and um
have significant bandwidth to come in and uh we'll be talking about that. We would like it completed by summer time. So that that's the timeline we've been working on all all along and that's where where we are right now. We're still on schedule. So the goal would be
to be able to leverage data from the study in next year's budget discussions, >> but it would not be able to affect anything. >> Yeah. The goal is well, right, the presentation and the information in the study will be presented in the summer
and that gives leeway if things do take longer, if there are delays in any for any reason in any area. We want to be again comprehensive. So, we're not going to cut corners and rush it, but we believe that time frame fits pretty well. >> Okay. Um All right. Thank you. Um
>> Council, Mr. Jimenez, did you have something you wanted to add to Miss Lair's question specifically? >> Okay. In regards to the RFP for the city study, um we did provide suggestions uh which we would like to see in the study.
The way the RFP was sent out didn't have a lot of those suggestions. One of those suggestions that is missing is a let me get it. I have it right here. Benchmarking and peer comparison. Uh
they did have uh staffing GIS staffing in there. I thank you for that. but the evaluation of the relief factor uh how many personnel are needed to maintain the minimum staffing and the accounting for leave training injury and special assignments. There was also something
left out for a emergency management coordinator. Our fire chief uh does a job of two and uh we would need we would we're looking at we look we would need another member to be downtown to take on
things like that. That hasn't been put in there. Um, m Mr. Jimenez, I I appreciate the insight, but I I thought maybe it was relative to the study that the union had done, not necessarily I just don't want to engage in a in a rebuttal for you and
Mr. Evans to get into a a back and forth here tonight. >> When when we were talking about the study early on with then Chief Reich, we had we were under the impression that our suggestions would be taken and put in. Since then, they have not. And um
also I have asked for who bid it on the RFP. I have yet to find out. I heard there's six people. I'd like to hear that. >> Thank you, >> Councilwoman. >> Thanks. Um okay, moving on from the study discussion. Thank you both for clarifying your uh perspective
backgrounds on that respective backgrounds. Um this is probably a chief uh question. Um there was some discussion of um in the firefighting industry uh when firefighters are forced
to take an overtime shift um you know they might say oh I I think somebody gave an anecdote of like oh it's my kid's birthday I I don't want the overtime and they might be told I think it was a hypothetical but like they might be told you have to come in. How often does that happen in our crew that
somebody is forced truly forced to come in for overtime? So within about the last year, uh it has happened on a somewhat routine basis where where individuals have been mandated to stay.
Um the deputy chief and I have worked with the local to come up with a plan to um we signed a memorandum of agreement which took the burden off of the contract used to read the least senior person on that shift had to stay and be mandated. Well, we found that that happened to the same individual on a
shift almost six weeks in a row. Um, so we came up with an agreement to to try to lessen that burden to make it based on seniority where it would start at the least senior person and work all the way through the department to try to alleviate that. Um, unfortunately, we still have people getting mandated on a
somewhat regular basis. That that is factual. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, and am I correct in understanding that when we look at the budget on Thursday, we are not going to see there are
significant budget increases? I'm aware of we looked at some of that in the capital plan discussion and everything for um fire, EMS, etc. Uh, are there any additional positions presently being
asked for like not including the amendment that may be coming? Any actual additional seat? >> No. If the increase as I referred to it was, I believe like $300,000 of salaries and that's existing staff cost of living
increases, contractual raises. That's what >> Okay. So people are getting paid more but it's not more people uh being sought. Um and so what is highest level summary?
Why not if we know that is it that you're waiting for the data? Is it >> Yes. >> So you're going to wait another year. Okay. Um Chief, are you concerned about the staffing in
your department? this upcoming year. >> I have concerns about the amount of overtime that the individuals are working uh with it causing burnout that they have approached me about. Um and and I'll be absolutely honest with you. I mean, there's no fire chief in the United States that wouldn't tell you they want more staff. >> Sure. I'm not going to stand here and
say I wouldn't take more staff. Uh but there there's a comprehensive plan that is in place. I presented what I presented to the administration. We had our discussions and this is the plan that that came out of it. Um >> Okay. Um
Okay. I I'll have like I said some more specific questions on Thursday and I know that um Chief Cot for police is not here tonight and she's out I think right now in general but I think is coming on Thursday. Just >> I believe she's expected. I'm not
positive. >> Yeah. if if she's able to. But in general, um you know, we're talking about fire. There's been some discussion of EMS, but we've talked at previous meetings about that police also have some open seats and roles, and so I
don't want that to be uh overlooked in our conversations on Thursday. Um, you know, I I will be asking some similar questions just to to see where we're at um across the board for our first responders.
So, that's all I have on this topic. >> Anyone else? Councilwoman Wilhelm and then Councilwoman Leo. >> Thank you all for coming tonight. Um, I understand it could be nerve-wracking. I've been on that side of the microphone before being on this one. We appreciate
you coming to share your thoughts. Um, unfortunately, I was also unable to attend the public safety committee meeting. Um, as it's been described, it was relatively short notice and in the middle of the day. So, I I regret that I was unable to be there. Thank you for
some information about the study the studies. Um, I understand better the difference between the two and the timeline. One thing I think I would like to understand better and I'm not sure whom to ask this question of but um how how
did IFF work with the city on on the study? What was the obviously there's a lot of data needed from an administration? How was that data procured? What conversations occurred? What was the partnership in
terms of collecting? >> We were not that I'm aware of invited to any discussions or input into their study. The data was provided through our GIS and our the RMS system. So provided
by the city the data needed for the calls in order to send it to I think it's might be DC but no we we weren't um okay >> weren't did not have any input on that study. So it fair to say not primarily
but exclusively pulled from GIS. Then conversely and you sort of alluded to this and perhaps because you haven't selected the the um firm or individuals who will be managing the study. How does the city
anticipate working with union members, department members um to collect data and and input narratives, anecdotal Um I understand if you're not able to predict that but do
you have any sense of what that dynamic might look like? >> Yeah, there there'd be a component of it expected that the fire administration is going to going to lead it. You know, they're the ones that were uh promoted and chosen for the position to make those decisions. Will there be input
from the uh staff? Yes, there are interviews. Most studies of that nature are going to make trips and visits. They're going to take a look around. They're going to talk to people and get their input. So, it's a full well-rounded study. Yes. But >> Okay. And I'm just curious um in what
conditions will individuals So, so there there will be a human component, I guess, is what you're suggesting in terms of interviews and some narrative anecdotal data. >> Yes. Okay. >> Correct. A couple other questions I have are related more to the landscape of fires
in Bethlehem because we're talking a lot about national standards and I think it's really important for us to understand what's happening in Bethlehem and we've had an interesting history and um understood things have changed over the years and we've grown. I think I
would like to understand for a growing city, but in in particular for Bethlehem, a city that over the past several decades has grown. How does that balance with improvements in fire suppression, modernization of
materials, um building code improvements? How does that balance out? Because growth is obviously one very important factor. How does that all work together in general or or how does it work in Bethlehem? What have we had an increase
in significant structure fires? How does how does that work out trendwise? >> So, the exact correlation is is is really hard to to pinpoint. Okay. Um we've had massive growth here in the city of Bethl. We've had increased calls
based on our population. Um I mean that that's something that no one's going to argue. Um there have been increases in building materials but both in a positive and negative way. You know building materials and systems have have come a long way in advancement of of life safety. However, a lot of times the contents that's put in those buildings
is subpar to what used to be in there many years ago. Uh being that they're made of more flammable and combustive materials. So in a way with all the advancements in detection and life-saving equipment, it almost sort of balances out with with the commodities that are being installed and the
lightweight construction that that things are being built with. >> Okay. So we have we seen an increase in in significant structure fires? >> Um no large noticeable increase. I mean our our average seems plus or minus a
couple fires a year seems to be fairly consistent for us here in the city of Bethlehem. >> Okay. But an increase in calls. >> Yes. Each each year uh typically there's there's an increase in calls um of varying natures. We respond to a multitude of different types of calls, not necessarily fires, >> but but generally speaking, each year we
our call volume climbs a little bit each year. >> Okay. Do you and I also understand if you don't have this information at your fingertips, we can talk another time, but do you have a sense of what the majority of those calls are are regarding? Uh so the majority of the
calls we respond to in in the city uh mainly the number one calls we're we're going on are largely EMS calls, automatic fire alarms, motor vehicle accidents followed by fires. I mean those those I would say in that in that particular order that would that's what the data would back up.
>> Okay, understood. Um and would you mind um sort of describing with regard to mutual aid calling in other departments? How does that work? How is a how is a nonBthlehem department notified of the
need? Uh is there a significant delay in h how quickly they get information? Can you just tell us about that process a little bit? >> Uh sure. Here in the city of Bethlehem, when we request assistance from a mutual aid company, that would go through the Northampton County Communication Center.
If we're requesting a company from Northampton County, they would make that notification. If we're requesting resources from the city of Allentown, uh they would contact Lehigh Communications, Lehigh County Communications, who would therefore dispatch and contact the city of Allentown Fire Department for their response. And uh contractually speaking,
what occurs here in the city of Bethlehem is we we request resources from other IIAFF career municipal departments before we move on to other other resources from other agencies that are not career departments unless it is for a specific specialty piece of
equipment that only that agency can provide. >> Understood. Is it possible for you to say sort of a a a time delay? Is it, you know, before before a needed >> station is notified? Is it many minutes?
Is it >> I I can't give an exact time. It's it's several minutes, but I would have to do research on an exact exact time on how long it takes to get through the two communication centers for them to be dispatched. That I I >> Yeah, >> I wouldn't even want to guess and be fair. >> I appreciate that. Have we seen an
increase in mutual aid? I don't believe this year has been an increase in in mutual aid requests. There there seems to be a a few requests here and there every year. Uh sometimes it's for a specific piece of apparatus or equipment that can fill our air cylinders on fire scenes. Uh but also
we've I don't know offhand how many times we've been Allentown this year, how many times they've come to us. I I would have to research that. >> Okay. This is a sort of a granular question and again you may not have specific numbers but just to understand
you know is it common on a typical shift to not be called out do you do you anticipate as a firefighter on duty to be called onto the scene 50% of the
time 80% of your shifts 20 do you >> again I would I would have to run reports >> okay But years ago, that was not that uncommon. You you could get through a day without going somewhere. Um, today, by today's standards, that's
almost never happens. If it if it does happen, it's almost never. >> Okay. I would love to know a little bit more about that. Um, >> I can try to pull some data. >> Thank you. And then I think my last question for now is just um with regard to the overtime and required overtime is
whether an individual has been out on a call taken into consideration um as opposed to you know when when someone is required to stay for for more time is is what they've done in the time they've already been working taken into consideration.
>> So what they've already done in the time they've been on shift is not taken into consideration. Uh, however, we have a 39-h hour rule that if the individual has has been in service or been on duty for 39 hours or if that overtime would put them over their 39 hours, that they
are excluded from that mandation. We don't want them being there longer than that 39 hours. And what that 39 hours is is if you're scheduled to work a night shift, then you're mandated for a day shift. That's a nine- hour shift. And then your 15 hour night shift, you're there for 39 hours. >> Okay?
>> So, we we if an overtime were to occur on what was supposed to be their first day off, they would be excluded and they would be sent home for safety purposes. >> Okay. Thank you for the information. Reserving any obviously budget related questions for Thursday, but thank you very much. >> You're welcome, >> Councilwoman Leo.
You're fine. >> So, I do have a couple of questions. Um, first I want to start with saying I called the public safety meeting. Um, nobody told me when or where to call the public safety meeting. I think I was actually advised to give a little bit more time, which hindsight being 2020, I think I would have. Um, my logic and
reasoning was we were going into a budget season and I had known that there was going to be a more comprehensive look at public safety anyway. So, I figured more information never hurt anybody. Um, and I thought that council having this information going into the budget season would be helpful for how
we would look at the budget, not just this year, but next year, which I believe I said at the public safety meeting that I thought that this would be helpful to inform council about how we would use this information with further information to look at the next budget season. So, I just want to be
clear that hindsight being 2020, I wouldn't call a budget meeting or a public safety meeting with such short notice. It just seemed at the time like not that big of a deal. I feel like it was probably way more of a big deal looking back on it. Um I want to talk a
little bit about numbers. Uh I'm looking back. I can only go to about 2004 seeing 113 114 like the es and flows of how many people are within the fire department. And it seems like the largest cut was under COVID which was
2021 where we went from 110 to 106 fire fighters or 106 people within your department. >> Mike, >> thank you. Um and looking back the the idea was we were cutting these things because of
COVID. By we, I don't mean this current council. We were I was not on that council. Um, but it was because of reduced table games, um, a million-dollar drop in EIT, a lack of entertainment tax. It was really just a massive hit due to COVID. Um, and it
seems to me that these studies were in order to rectify like these massive hits that we had to take because of like budgetary downfalls within COVID. Is that the general consensus of the administration as well?
like is there were were there these safety concerns? We're not necessarily safety concerns, but was there this we looked back at the budget, we made the adjustments that we needed to make, but now going forward um as we stabilize as a city, as the EIT increases, as we have
the money to do it, we want to continue to beef up fire department, police, EMS. Was is that the point of these studies? I think it's to give an objective overview from outside the eyes here
>> to give us comparison to benchmarks, compares to peers, where do we stand, where our firehouse is located, other opportunities, other efficiencies um from that level from experts in the field. The people that run these studies mostly come from not most of they do
come from public safety backgrounds and they have decades of experience in doing it. And so we expect to learn a lot from it and we want to make decisions based on that versus you know what what someone may think or small group of people think this is
objective it's experts it is data driven and uh that's where we want to move forward. I I I might be remembering wrong but I believe that we had increased over time quite substantially because of the fact that we were going to be running um the
sorry I am blanking right now because you were going to be running the academy. So we had significantly increased overtime because of those those gaps that you were talking about where we were going to be hiring new firefighters but we couldn't use them. It wasn't that part of the increase of overtime or am I just remembering wrong?
>> No. Yeah, that wouldn't really have anything to do with >> Okay. >> Academy. It's always the race to get to the next academy to hire and work on the list, get the list updated. We have that list now that we work through. We work through a decent amount of it to come up with the seven that would be going to
this academy. There'll be eight total because again, the one that got injured, eight in the spring. And then the question will be is there enough or does a new testing have we have to start that process again to keep that list strong enough that when we can get through it because not everyone makes it through most we do find great success and people
are offered the positions Bethlehem take the position and people that work in Bethlehem stay in Bethlehem. So we're lucky unless they're retiring those things are both true and they're both both factual. We can show you numbers for that that that um that is the case. But it's always a case when they do
open, as I said earlier, of getting it's not that easy to just to plug someone else in. There's a process to go through even if you have the list to get them back on the line. >> And chief, this is a question more for you. Um, and I know you weren't the chief at the time, but when the four positions were cut, it was like we were going to cut these positions through
attrition and they weren't supposed to take these massive hits on on like how many people were per vehicle. If the standard number is four per vehicle, are we really going down to like two people per apparatus? How like do we get to that low?
>> Uh yes. And currently engine 9 >> without an officer has has two personnel. >> Um engines, fire engines in the city have three. >> And our ladders have two. >> Those are our current manning numbers. >> Okay, that's all I have. Right. Uh,
President Cologne, >> anything else from members of council? Mr. Callahan and then Mr. Ramsey Smith. >> So, the um, Mr. Evans, when when you had said
before that the this the spending uh, to Miss Quitech's uh, question was the spending was up for the fire department. you when you answered that was that are you saying that was just for it didn't include any additional firefighters. It
was just in their in their negotiated salaries. >> Yes. >> All right. >> Correct. >> All right. So, you know, I I appreciate you being here and and answering the questions. You should not be the one answering these questions. The mayor should be here and
I I don't know what's going on, but he's missing a tremendous amount of meetings. Um, I can't imagine that he didn't know that they were going to be coming here tonight. And I can't imagine that there's something more important going on in the city if if he's at some I
don't know if he's at a Cub Scout thing or a Weeblow thing. I don't know, you know. But there I can't imagine something more important going on in the city than being here and answering our questions and listening to these people come here
tonight explaining about how they're drained. And I think if we look just at what the chief just said, they're mandatory overtime. We know that. That's one item. There's they're being we had to it was getting
so bad we had to put in a 39 hour maximum work shift, right? So individuals are being asked to work 39 hours straight and if they do, we we got to relieve them so they can go home. Is that correct? >> That is correct. But that is not a new
rule that was implemented. That has been longstanding. >> I know. But that's still astronomical, right? I mean, what I'm sure whoever is being forced to do 39 hours would like to go home some time and spend some time with their kid also, you know, as I'm sure the mayor does, you know. Um,
so how much is the study how much are we spending on the study? We do we have a we don't know that amount yet or or the the the RFP hasn't come back yet or >> Yeah. No, the the most of them I believe
in the area of $60,000 for the study for a fivemon study. Yeah. Doesn't Doesn't the 500 where that we're spending $500,000 a year in overtime the last two years straight the forced overtime on
people? the people who are are manning our fire departments, telling us or telling the chief, who is I'm sure telling you that they're stressed out and overworked and the 39-hour
cap has been being reached on a regular basis. Doesn't that tell us already without having to spend $60,000 on a on a study that they're already stressed out and overworked and that we need more manning? I mean, I don't I don't know why we got I don't know why this
administration is so uh consultant happy. I mean, that's all we do is spend money on consultants all the time. And there's the consultants right there. They showed up tonight and told you what way did did any did anything on the uh
did did any of the questions on the um on the um on the RFP that was written were any of those questions or suggestions taken into account questions and suggestions from the the union or
was just or was it just done and put simply put together? Were there any is it was there any questions or or suggestions from the union that was put in the RFP? >> There's Yes. Yes. The proposal that was put out there there were there were number of suggestions that were provided and some were inserted some were not.
That was wasn't theirs. It was our study. So some were some were not. It's a blend. Yeah. And also the the the RFP is different from the if you've been through that decision process. When the groups come in that are selected and that even provide the proposals are
quite lengthy and detailed much more than the RP itself it is. You're looking for an outline. You're looking for them to tell you what they can do based on a number of pre requisites. When it comes back those proposals are detailed. Uh the interviews that follow that are lengthy and the decisions are
made on that. >> Yeah. Why why was the why was the RFP like presented so late in the year though? I mean did were you guys aware or you were the mayor or the chief aware that the that the over staff the the
underst staffing uh and the amount of overtime and the stress level on >> it's been ongoing. We've been talking about this in these chambers as as throughout the last two years when this spike began. We we talked about that this was an issue. We're going to
continue to send people to the academy best we can. It's going to be a process to work through to get back to where the numbers that they were. They're way above historical numbers if you go back 101 15 years not retiring at this rate. So it's incredibly difficult when they retire at that rate to replace them at
that rate. So that's what's causing what we're speaking to. Yeah. So what if I was the if I was the uh the head of this or trying to figure this out, I would try to ramp my staffing up over a period of a couple years. So it in in
anticipation of the the extra retirements because there's a lot of people retiring. We just can't I mean all I'm saying is we can't keep on doing what we're doing. It's not working. The staffing keeps getting lower and lower and lower. Stress level keeps going up and overtime keeps going up. So, I mean,
these I'm going to wait until Thursday night and we'll have some more discussion then and hopefully we can all all decide of of how we could come up some money from the uh you know the general fund. But just some one last question and and this is
just for my own information. If we can't find 400 or $500,000 in the general fund for four new firefighters, because if we don't do it now, we're going to be in the same spot next year. If we can't find that in general, how much of a millage rate of an increase
would would what do we what would we need to increase it for five for four for $400,000? >> I don't know. Top of my head, I can check that. >> I'd appreciate that if we could have that. I mean, I just want I'm just curious because if we if we can't all
agree on cutting the budget to find this $400,000 to find it somewhere in the general fund, then I'd be interested to find out, well, if no one wants to do that, how many of us are are are willing to uh increase the millage rate if it's a slight amount? In
10 years on council, I voted one time for a tax increase. I think it was my second year and you were you were sitting right next to me >> and it was only because we were going to have to cut fire police because at that time we were in I don't know if there was a recession I don't know what was
going on but times were tough and we needed some additional revenue and it was either cut fire and police or raise uh our taxes uh and the millage rate a slight amount and and that's the only time I've ever voted uh to increase our
millage right ever. And I think we're if we can't find $4 to $500,000, which I think is insanity, if we can't if we can't find four or $500,000 for four four new firefighters to to alleviate
this stress and this pressure valve that they have, then we all need to seriously think about increasing the millage rate slightly. I don't know if it's a a quarter point. I don't know what it is, but if you could get that to us of how much money would have what's what mill
rate would have to be increased in order to uh fund four more firefighters. Thank you, council. >> Oh, thank you. Okay, I just two qu quick questions. Um or I just want to make a statement first
of all for I have the budget book here and overtime in 2024 was actually 1.2 2 million which is really significant and then in 2025 it has 500,000 but we don't know that could be higher I would assume because we're still in 2025
correct I mean you do you have any idea what overtime is at this point >> it's it is um pays to finish under a million or right around a million so a couple hundred thousand less than last year's number >> okay but it could be close close to a million >> probably yeah >> okay all right and then we have a
projected for 2025 500,000 okay >> yeah And also we're looking at the salaries come out of the general fund. So that's where we need to find the funds for the salaries. Correct. >> Yes, general fund. Correct. >> Okay, great. That's all I have regarding the fire, but I have another um new
business. I don't know. We still >> I just want to give another one over. >> Sure. >> Anyone else? Anything for the fire department? >> I just have a couple quick um asks for Thursday. I'm not going to ask you for numbers now, but for Thursday, just things I think will be relevant to the
conversation when we review the fire budget. Chief, Mr. Evans, if you could bring for the last three years, including this year, so 2025, 2024, 2023, the number of calls that the department has responded to for this year could be year-to- date, along with
the top four of each category. I know they're coded when they're dispatched. Whether it be uh an EMS call, a dwelling fire, a fire alarm, whatever it would be, I think that information is relevant. We know how many positions are budgeted for. if you could bring on Thursday how many as of current at
present, how many firefighters we have, how many uh positions we have vacant, how many are we're holding open, whether it be someone's on military leave, someone's out on, you know, long-term workers comp, whatever it would be. Um,
how many are pending the academy? I know you referenced a few that you just had your civil service board meeting. So, how many are pending going to the academy factored into those numbers? The staffing per platoon, we have four platoon, correct? >> That is correct.
>> If you can educate me and by default, everyone else on Thursday, what the staffing is for each of the four platoon, what we don't I know we don't have minimum staffing in our contract, but if you're mandating people, then we have a a baseline that we operate with.
Correct. To assume >> that's correct. there's a a number we really do our best not to go below for safety reasons. >> So, if you can share that number on Thursday, what what it is, what's the floor that you try to run a shift with uh on Thursday? How many firefighters we
know for calendar year 2026 will have met their threshold to be retirement eligible? Like you said, we can't we can't say who's going to retire as is the right of everyone. But how many we know are currently either at and have not submitted their paperwork or in
calendar year 2026 are going to hit their, you know, anniversary date that they would be eligible for retirement. I'd like to know for calendar year 2025, how many people left the department voluntarily, not terminated, but how many voluntarily resigned prior to
hitting their retirement years? So essentially who left without being eligible for their pension >> if any. >> So that I would like to know that for 2025 just that that helps for for me to understand and conceptualize longevity
as we talk about filling roster spots. What is a reasonable expectation of how often someone's going to be in that spot as it's relevant to turnover. So, you could even include 2025 and 2024 in terms of anyone who voluntarily resigned prior to having their years in for for
retirement being pension eligible. Um, if you could give me an approximation if possible for Thursday of we'll know and we'll discuss what overtime has been year to date, but if we know how much of that has been mandatory overtime or involuntary overtime. I don't know if you have that data available. If you do,
if you could give me an approximation just so we know what we're talking about. And I'd also want to know uh for calendar year 2025 year to date and then for 2024 how many call outs for manpower we've had. I'm not talking about mutual
aid, but am I wrong in if you if there's a certain call we call out individuals from home, firefighters from home to either staff the stations in case another call comes in or to assist in responding to that call? >> Yes, you are correct. We go third alarm
or above. We call personnel out. So, if you could just give me for calendar year 2024 and year to date 2025, how many call outs for our own manpower from home have come in? >> Yeah, >> I will do my absolute best to have that data for you in the next 48 hours.
>> That that's all I can ask for. And if there's certain things you need to follow up with me about, you know, later in the week or next week, I understand that's I was just writing notes as I was hearing everyone talk. I think this is information that for me is relevant and I hope others could find benefit in that information, too. Mr. President, can I
add one item to that? >> Maybe. >> Um, could we possibly get the current up to date overtime as of um whenever you do it, whether it's tomorrow or or Tuesday for for 2025, the current amount.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We have, I believe it's now 24 the 26 payrolls are complete. So, we're almost there, you know, two two runs left. >> So, we can kind of nail down. >> Yeah. The way that would be run would be for the most recent close of payroll, >> right? >> So that's I think Yeah.
>> Thank Thank you. >> Please, >> sir. We'll do our best. >> That's all I can ask for. Chief, thank you. And again, I know it's a lot, but these are just things that had come up as I was hearing everyone's comments tonight. So, I know it's a lot to look up and I'm not going to ask for any of that information tonight. I wouldn't
think it'd be fair to even approximate some of that information. I'm going to move on. We're still on new business. Councilwoman Cra Smith. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, previously council councilwoman Bamour and the grown strongly advocated for a conflict of interest ordinance so to
avoid so to avoid elected officials being influenced by financial contributions. Um, they were specifically concerned about financial contributions by developers within the city. And to that end, council passed a conflict of interest ordinance in 2022 that states a public official, including
members of council, the mayor, and certain other city officials, are required to recuse themselves from votes on matters where they have a financial interest. For campaign contributions, a financial interest is defined as a contribution of $500 or more within five years before official action on a
subject. If this occurs, the official must recluse himself, explain why at a public meeting, and have it recorded in the meeting minutes. The Pennsylvania Ethics Act also prohibits public officials from engaging in conflict of interest or accepting monetary value,
including campa campaign contributions if it's understood that their actions would be influenced. Consequently, municipalities should adopt clear conflict of interest policies that outline when an official should recuse themselves from a decision and how to handle potential conflicts.
These policies should be enforced consistently to ensure that all officials adhere to the same ethical standards. While I supported this ordinance and I believe council at the time did not feel there was a need, I have since f I have found since that there's a need to further clarify the oversight and enforcement of the said
ordinance. For example, while council members can recuse themselves from voting if a conflict exists, how does this apply to other elected officials, specifically the mayor? Our current mayor, as recently as July of this year, took $15,000 in campaign contributions from the owner of Peron Development, one
of the foremost developers in this city. Additionally, he has received contributions within the past year from other developers as well as consultants. It's vital that financial improp impropriy or even the appearance of financial impropriy does not exist in government. After all, we've seen what happened in Allentown and we currently
see the devastating effects of this in Washington. Consequently, I I request I'm requesting a legal opinion as to the oversight and enforcement of the conflict of interest ordinance of 2022. I concurrently believe that we need to have a committee meeting to further
discuss this matter. As such, I'm making a motion to conduct a committee meeting on the conflict of interest ordinance of 2022 to review the oversight and enforcement of the ordinance and the legal opinion regarding such. So, I just want to restate to make sure
I'm understanding clearly. Certainly, the motion on the floor is to conduct for first to have attorney Stewart give a legal opinion as it relates to enforcement of the conflict of interest ordinance. >> Oversight and enforcement. Correct. >> Oversight and enforcement. And then to
have a committee meeting, which committee, council, >> you know what? I'm going to have to look because it what it did go to committee during that time and you were on council. Committee of the whole would be the committee that we've typically have had the the recent article one the
amendments we'll be voting on tonight I took to committee of the whole to give everyone a chance to weigh in the so that's the motion on the so again just to clarify are you presenting a date or just a a request to schedule a meeting
for hole >> a request to schedule a meeting of the hole >> and to that I would say the I don't know if without it and I'll let attorney Stewart clarify >> so not not resistant to it but could we
I don't know if we need a motion to it. I mean I I'll tell you here as the chair and president of councel I'd gladly invite attorney Stewart to issue a legal opinion to full counsel and then at the next council meeting when we have or I don't know how long it's going to take attorney Stewart is my point. So, if
Attorney Stewart can have that issued, then at the as soon as that's issued, I can have Mr. Miller start pulling members of council for Gates to have a committee of the whole meeting. I don't want to give any false sense of when that's going to be because I don't know. I don't know how long this takes to
issue an opinion. I know we're a little crunched for time as it relates to the calendar year. So, I don't want to say we're going to have it this date or within a certain amount of time. I I will say again, I am of the opinion that and I'll let attorney Stewart kind of weigh in or or um
if if she wants to, but that I don't think a motion's necessary other than you have every right to use Attorney Stewart as a resource that she can issue a legal opinion without any action of counsel. So, I welcome and invite her to do that. And then once she issues that to council,
>> I I'm telling you, I I'll work with Mr. Miller to start polling everyone on committee the whole dates. Again I just in fairness don't want to I mean even if we were voting on a date I'm not going to commit to a date without knowing if you know what my availability is and that of council but I will say I'm 100%
willing to coordinate with Mr. Miller a committee the whole meeting. >> Okay. Thank you. Understood. I would just say that I know our second meeting in December there's no meetings prior. So that could be an option if it works. I'm just stating that. So, so I am
requesting a legal opinion which I have the right to do. But now since I have a motion on the floor, do I need a motion to request the committee of the whole or is it up to you as the president to decide if we have that meeting? >> I I'm of the opinion it's up to the chair who happens to meet me at this
time. But the uh I'll let attorney Stewart say if she agrees with me or not. I would concur that you do not need to make a motion either to get a legal opinion on this particular issue nor to schedule a or to request a scheduling of
committee of the whole. Okay. Thank you. And again, I I feel like it's just important because um I know Councilwoman Van Moore and the GRE put a lot of time into this and I was 100% for it, but unfortunately we just didn't add on to how what's the oversight and the
enforcement of this ordinance. No, I guess we just didn't think that we needed to. But I think that um it's important that that's a very vital part of the ordinance. So that's why I'm requesting this. So that and then my acknowledgement of your request and
again I'm more than happy to to accommodate however we can because I I I don't want to just for the sake of saying yeah we're going to have it even before the second meeting in December. I can't say that without us looking at the calendar and everything. But are are you willing to resend your motion given what we just talked about
>> because I I don't know what what we would be voting on because you she's going to do the legal opinion. >> Right. And and I do not need to motion for a committee the whole meeting. Correct. Right. So, I will resend the motion. >> Understood. >> Correct. And I want to just clarify, it's not like I'm looking at oversight and enforcement. Certainly, that's
important, but we never put in the ordinance, it's clear how this ordinance affects council people, but it doesn't, it's not clear in the ordinance how it affects administration or other elected officials because they do not vote. So, what you know, how does it work? if they
take over $500, does that mean that they should not do business with the developer they take the money from? So, that's what I'm looking for, an answer in that area. >> That's fair. And and I'll say I have thoughts, but it would strictly be by memory. And I don't want to without being confident share what my
recollection is. That's why we have recordings and minutes and such so we can adequately prepare for a meeting like that. >> We're still on new business. Mr. Calan, >> uh, it's on the same topic. Uh, Miss Sword is Do you have the ordinance in front of you? >> In front of me? No. Can I pull it up in
a moment? Yes. >> No. No. I just I apolog I just thought I I'm not putting you on the spot. I just thought you were pulling it up. Uh I was I I was under the impression and I haven't read it, but I was under the impression that when it was passed that uh if there is a donation over $500 that
uh the person that did the donating or the or the the developer or the business that that did the donating was not permitted to do business with the city for two years or something like that. >> That's not my recollection, but I'll
attorney Stewart. My recollection, and I'll I'll be the first to say I could be remembering incorrectly, was when this topic came up when we voted on it, it was brought up by someone that council was ultimately the ones who vote on everything. So that the and that's why
the ordinance applied. >> I don't want to say exclusively without having the language in front of me, but at least the because one, it's the honor system, right? There's no enforcement uh mechanisms within the ordinance. And then because council were the ones who are actually taking the vote on whatever
was on the agenda that it would be uh for council to recuse ourselves from but I could be misremembering so I don't want to >> that's an accurate statement. I do have it in front of me. >> Okay. >> And if I can just add that I did highlight that it says financial interest is defined a contribution of
$500 within 60 months or five years before official action on a subject. And this may be what we need to hammer out is if this occurs, the official must recuse themselves, explain why, and have it recorded. >> Yeah. >> So that's I think that's what we need to
delineate. What does that mean? An official recuses himself. In what way? If they don't vote. >> Fair and >> bottom line, >> attorney Stewart will issue her legal opinion. >> I understand your question. Thank you. Thank you. My my question is is how would um
since the mayor doesn't vote, how would we put any teeth into the amendment if we had to change it if it was the will of councils to change the amendment or or to amend the the ordinance? What I mean, how would how is
it how would it affect him or not just him but future mayors? them >> them >> members of the administration. >> Yeah, I I would say that's a good question for the committee, the whole meeting, Mr. Callahan. That's why we'll we'll let attorney Stewart issue her legal opinion,
>> as I just shared with Councilwoman Camy Smith, and I'll remind full counsel, Attorney Stewart is the solicitor for all of council. So, should anyone want to engage attorney Stewart prior to any committee the whole meetings with questions with uh wants and wishes, uh
feel free to do so. We're going to vote tonight to amend something that I recognized I thought needed to be amended and we took a committee to the whole and now it's on the agenda tonight. So there's nothing precluding council from following that same process u for anything in the future.
>> Any other new business for members of council >> councilwoman >> briefly um Mr. Bos still oh yeah okay you're over there. Um, so, uh, Mr. Will Weber has, uh,
recognized tonight's a lengthy one, but again, if he's not here to hear his, uh, questions be addressed. Um, but, uh, I'm wondering two things that he raised. Um,
one, uh, do you anticipate or has there already been any increased revenue based on the switch to smart meters? And the second question while you're coming up is um, I know we we learned
that you'll be approaching the utilities commission about a potential rate increase as is the legal process. Um, does council, and maybe this is actually a solicitor question, um, does council actually have the ability to put any
contingencies on a utility rate increase? I I know that's a very regulated process. Um, so I know the first question is for for you. >> Okay. So the so the uh Okay, smart
meters and revenue. Uh, so the answer is no. There is no perceptible increase in revenue with the new meters. The meters, a water meter
that was installed in 1990 is about as accurate as a meter that's installed in 2025. So from the standpoint of measuring water consumption there's no change and therefore there's no there's no marginal increase in
revenue. >> If if you you recall the one graph I showed we talk talking about presentations we've shown very uh flat consumption over the past 15 plus years.
>> Right. Thank you. Thanks for clarifying. The other question was about >> I if council even has the ability to put a contingency >> like you're we will approve your rate increase if you do XYZ other thing. Um
it's a I I was under the impression it's a very regulated process to increase utility rates. Um and if that answer isn't available tonight that's fine. It just >> yeah because there's a bi bifurcated rate structure with water because the
PUC pennsylvania utility commission governs the rate structure for customers outside the city of >> Bethlehem. >> That rate case goes is outside of the
perview of the city council. uh it goes to Pennsylvania public utility commission. Rates inside the city obviously are set by ordinance by the council >> and historically we
keep rates the same to to in the interest of fairness to all our customers. So typ typically we get typically we we apply for a PUC because we're not going to know what the rate increase is going to be when you apply or to the PUC.
You're going to wait you wait until they make a a decision. That decision is going to be whatever it is x percent and then we come to the council and say okay here's our proposal to increase rates on
the customers inside the city to the same rate that the customers outside the city. >> Right. My question was not so much about um the rate itself, but the does council have the power to say
for the one that we do vote on inside the city to say this rate is approved contingent on X additional service being offered to the consumers within the city.
I just thinking out loud, I I think council can do whatever they wish within the confines of passing an ordinance. If you look at the water uh water rate ordinance, I I you know, without getting too much
into the weeds, I think I think it's basically at the wish of council whatever they want to do relative to the water fund. I I mean, Attorney Stewart, correct me if I'm wrong, it would just require a creative ordinance. >> Fair to say.
>> That's fair to say. >> Okay. Yeah. And to be clear, I'm not looking to act on that like on a whim, but I just had never even considered that and knew it was a regulated process because PUC is involved in some of it. So, I wasn't sure if it's even on the
table as a thought. cor the the the the the pitfall if you will is is again you see >> city of Bethlehem if you're going to create a a a an ordinance that ordinance
only applies >> to city residents not outside city residents. >> Correct. I do understand that. Thank you. >> Thanks. I'm done. >> Any other new business from members of council? >> All right. We're going to move on. Communication 6A,
>> a November 10th, 2025 memorandum and proposed resolution from Lori Gillio, grants administrator for community and economic development. Miss Jillio seeks authorization to apply for a local share account grant for $1 million from the Pennsylvania Department of Community and
Economic Development. Grant money would be for construction on West Broad Street. Resolution 10A is on the agenda 6B. A >> November 12th, 2025 memorandum and proposed resolution from Lori Gillio, grants administrator for community and economic development. Miss Jillio seeks
authorization to apply for a local share grant for $750,000 from the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development. Grant money would be used for capital improvements to the Bethlehem Emergency Shelter. >> And resolution 10B is on the agenda tonight. C
>> a November 11th, 2025 memorandum and proposed ordinance from business administrator Eric Evans. Mr. Evans recommends transferring 11,300,000 from revenue account 001A-308901 into expense account 0801-42083
in the non-utility capital fund where it will be allocated into accounts that will fund capital needs in 2026 through 2029. >> And ordinance 9L is on the agenda. I don't have a moving on to reports. I don't have anything to report this
evening, Mr. Evans. >> No report. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Evans. 8A, >> an ordinance of the city of Bethlehem, counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, amending article 1702 of the city of Bethlehem
Codified Ordinances titled fees for the enforcement of the Pennsylvania Uniform Construction Code Act number 45, 1999. Bill 45 2025 is sponsored by Miss Wilhelm and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion.
>> Call the role. >> Mr. Callahan. >> This is on I'm sorry. I was >> We are on 8A. Mr. Callahan. >> 8A. >> Instruction. >> I >> Miss Grampy Smith. >> I >> Miss Quiet. >> I
>> Miss Leairard. >> I >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. >> Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Cologne. I pass 70 >> 8B. >> An ordinance of the city of Bethlehem, Counties of Lehigh and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, amending article 1113 of the city of Bethlehem.
Codified ordinance is titled food code regulation. Bill number 46, 2025, is sponsored by Miss Wilhelm and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call the role. >> Mr. Callahan. >> Hi. >> Miss Crampy Smith. >> I. >> Miss Quiet. >> Hi. >> Miss Leairard.
>> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. And Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 70. Moving on to new ordinances 9A. >> An ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, adopting the general fund budget for 2026. Bill
number 47 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quietitech and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Before we get into the votes, so I will recognize that the next couple are for the budgets for 2026. As is custom, we have first reading the second meeting of November. As I outlined earlier, we will
have our last budget hearing on Thursday. We will accept amendments uh up until a week from today. And then we historically have the second reading at the second meeting in December. This gives adequate time for if there are any amendments, the wolf council is to make
amendments because correct me if I'm wrong, Attorney Stewart, we still have to advertise, right? So this still we're still within it. It's all procedural is what the summary of what I'm getting at. So tonight, even though we there there will still be time to amend the budget,
should that be a wish of an individual member of council to introduce an amendment and should the will of council be to make an amendment, this gives adequate time to have the first reading done, we check that box and then uh Mr. Miller can move on with the rest of the process as we're required to do. So I
just want to restate that. And and this is uh for my decade on council, how it's historically been handled. Any discussion on 9A, Mr. Callahan? >> Um, I I'm going to be voting no and uh
until um we find the funds for the four additional firefighters. >> Understood. >> Thank you. >> Nay, I'm also going to vote no because um I'm going to be doing an amendment for the firefighters and it needs to come from the general fund. >> Understood. Any other discussion? Call
the RO. >> Mr. Callahan, >> nay. Miss Grahamy Smith. Nay. >> Miss Quiet. I >> Miss Leair >> I >> Miss Lem >> I >> Miss Wilhelm >> I >> and Mr. Cologne >> I passes 52 9B.
>> Ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting the waterfront budget for 2026. Bill number 48 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quitech and Miss Crampy Smith. discussion.
Councilwoman >> making a comment I I don't think is necessary, but I'm voting eye on all of these to move through procedurally and am willing to consider amendments and may have some to propose myself as well. >> Understood. And you'll have your opportunity as Al.
>> Yes. >> Any other discussion? >> Call the RO, please. >> Mr. Callahan. >> Hi. >> Miss Cracy Smith. >> Hi. >> Miss Quiet. >> Hi. >> Miss Leairard. >> Hi. Miss Leon. >> Hi. >> Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Cologne.
>> I passes 70 >> 9C. >> An ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting the sewer fund budget for 2026. Bill number 49 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quitech and Miss Crampy Smith.
>> Discussion. >> Call the RO. >> Mr. Callahan. >> I. >> Miss Grampy Smith. >> I. >> Miss Quitech. >> I. >> Miss Lair. I >> Miss Leon. >> Hi, >> Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 709D. >> An ordinance of the city of Bethlehem
counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting the golf course enterprise fund budget for 2026. Bill number 50, 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call the role. >> Mr. Callahan. >> I.
>> Miss Crampy Smith. >> I. >> Miss Quiet. >> Hi. >> Miss Leair. >> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 709E. >> Ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting
the liquid fuels fund budget for 2026. Bill number 51 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call the RO. >> Mr. Callahan. >> I. >> Miss Crampy Smith. >> I. >> Miss Quiet.
>> I. >> Miss Leairard. >> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 709F. >> An ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, adopting the 2026 capital budget for
non-utilities. Bill number 52 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call the RO. >> Mr. Callahan. >> I. >> Miss Grampy Smith. >> I. Miss Quiet. >> Hi. >> Miss Leairard. >> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. >> Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi.
>> And Mr. Cologne. I pass 70 >> 9g. >> An ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting the 2026 capital budget for water utilities number 53, 2025 is sponsored
by Miss Quuitech and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call the role. >> Mr. Callahan. >> I. Miss Crampy Smith. >> Hi. >> Miss Quiet. >> Hi. >> Miss Leairard. >> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. >> Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Cologne. I pass 70 nine each
>> ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting the 2026 capital B capital budget for sewer utilities bill number 54 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Crampy Smith
>> discussion call the RO >> Mr. Callahan >> Iry Smith >> I miss quite >> I miss Leairard >> I >> miss Leon >> Hi >> Miss Wilhelm >> Hi >> Mr. Colom >> I pass 709 I >> ordinance of the city of Bethlehem
counties of Lehi and Northampton Commonwealth of Pennsylvania adopting the community development block grant budget for 2026 bill number 55 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Grampy Smith >> discussion call the RO >> Mr. Callahan
>> I gracy Smith >> I miss quite >> I miss Leairard >> Hi >> Miss Leon >> Hi >> Miss Wilhelm >> Hi >> Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 70 9 K >> J. I believe >> J. I'm sorry, I lost track. 9J.
>> Ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, adopting the storm water fund budget for 2026. Bill number 56, 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quitech and Miss Grampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call RO.
>> Mr. Callahan. >> I. >> Miss Grampy Smith. >> I. >> Miss Quiet. I >> Miss Leairard. >> Hi, >> Miss Leon. >> I >> Miss Wilhelm. >> I >> and Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 70 9K. >> Ordinance of the city of Bethlehem, Counties of Lehigh, Northampton,
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, fixing the tax rate for all city purposes for the year 2026. Bill number 57 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion. >> Call the RO. >> Mr. Callahan. >> Hi.
>> Miss Grampy Smith. I >> quite >> I >> Miss Leairard >> I >> Miss Leon >> I >> Miss Wilhelm >> I >> and Mr. Cologne >> I pass 709 L >> an ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton Commonwealth of Pennsylvania amending
the general fund budget for 2025 bill number 58 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quiet and Miss Crampy Smith. >> Discussion call the roll. >> Mr. Callahan nay. >> Miss Crampy Smith. Nay. >> Miss Quuitech.
>> I >> Miss Leairard. >> I >> Miss Leon. >> I >> Miss Wilhelm. >> I >> and Mr. Cologne. >> I passes 52 9mm. >> Ordinance of the city of Bethlehem counties of Lehi and Northampton, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania amending article 112. The codified ordinance is
entitled campaign finance reports. Bill number 59 2025 is sponsored by Miss Quuitech and Miss Crampy Smith. So before we uh begin discussion, I'd circulated a memo of an additional amendment I'd like to propose tonight on
the floor to in addition to the other amendments which we're going to vote on. I would I'll make a motion to add a section 4 effective date to the current ordinance and section 4 effective date will then read this ordinance shall take
effect as of February 2nd, 2026. Uh if there's a second, we'll have discussion and I'll explain further. So that's the motion on the floor. >> I'll second. >> Second by Councilwoman Leon. We're on discussion. So the um the effective date I think just brings
us in line with the reporting period. So the if we depending on when this ordinance would go into effect, campaign finance reports aren't due until the beginning of the following year. So having the effective date be at
the end of the 2025 reporting period is just for consistency and continuity. So if someone goes at any time in the future to look for a 2025 campaign finance report for any of us, they'll all be there for the calendar year. So it just essentially concludes our
current it our current practice then ends after the last reports are due for 2025. That that is the the reason behind this amendment. So, any other discussion on the amendment? >> Mr. Miller, call the role. >> Mr. Callahan,
>> I. >> Mr. Ramsey Smith, >> hi. >> Miss Quitech, >> I. >> Miss Leairard, >> hi. >> Miss Leon, >> hi. >> Miss Wilhelm, >> I >> and Mr. Cologne. >> I The amendment passes 70. So, we still have to vote on the the whole package of
amendments. I' spoke on it during uh committee the whole essentially. This comes from the county now posts everything online. I had had went over to the computer shared that I think it's a little duplicative not I think it is duplicative of what we're having our
clerks do. Statement of financial interest will still be done as is required and then I'll work with the clerks as we've previously discussed. Councilwoman Wilhelm had volunteered to kind of help out with the language. We'll post just a link to the county
website. So should in calendar year 2026 or anytime in the future anyone look for those reports, we'll just instead of uploading them, we'll have one link where people could find them. So the information was still accessible. It just frees up uh our clerk's office with
one less task. Any discussion on that, >> Councilwoman? I just I was going to just reiterate and confirm that we will clearly state on on our website that it where folks can find the information and reiterate my willingness and interest in
helping do so. Just make sure it's seamless and and uh easy to understand for the general public. >> It it has not been lost upon me. Thank you, Councilwoman. Any other discussion? >> Mr. Miller, call the RO. >> Mr. Callahan, >> I. >> Mr. Gracy Smith,
>> I. Miss Guate >> I >> Miss Leairard >> I >> Miss Leon >> I >> Miss Wilhelm >> I >> and >> Mr. Cologne >> I pass 70. Resolution 10A >> be it resolved by the council of the city of Bethlehem that the city requests a statewide local share assessment grant
to the commonwealth financing authority. Be it further resolved that the mayor and controller are authorized to execute all agreements and documents as are deemed to be necessary andor related there too. Resolution is sponsored by Miss Quuitech and Miss Grampy Smith. Discussion.
Call the RO. >> Mr. Callahan. >> Hi. >> Miss Grampy Smith. >> Hi. >> Miss Quiet. >> Hi. >> Miss Leairard. >> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. >> And Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> And Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 70B. >> Be it resolved by the council of the city of Bethlehem that the city requests
a statewide local share assessment grant through the Commonwealth Financing Authority. Be it further resolved that the mayor and controller are authorized to execute all agreements and documents as are deemed to be necessary and are related there too. Resolution is sponsored by Miss Quitec and Miss Crampy Smith.
>> Discussion. >> Call the role. >> Mr. Callahan. >> Hi. >> Miss Crampy Smith. >> Hi. >> Miss Quiet. >> I miss Leairard. >> Hi. >> Miss Leon. >> Hi. >> Miss Wilhelm. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cologne. >> I pass 70. That concludes tonight's agenda. Get home safely everyone. Hope
you have a safe and joyful Thanksgiving. >> This meeting is ajourned.