##VIDEO ID:8pUc8AZa9EQ## e e e e e e for all right all right good evening everyone this is the Planning and Zoning Board the planning and design review board meeting for the village of biscane park it is Wednesday January 22nd 2025 it is now 6:32 the roll call Edward Lea SC Hammond here David grun uh Gab charart I'm here as well as Denisha from the building department uh Pablo is not here um he did notify said he was not going to be can I get a motion to excuse David Ed all in favor to say I I okay so we excuse Pablo all right so we're going to go to the residents that are here um 5B would be the first one um but Mr Ortiz um since it might take a little bit longer do you mind just waiting a minute and we just take care of the other agenda items that okay is that the request okay is that okay okay Mr Ortiz okay thanks all right so let's go the um 512010 the gentleman here are you ready to to talk about this one yeah 12010 Northeast 11th Place new construction brzo Fain right so I think we already approved this we just here to eyeball some changes you might have made okay but did we approve this with any condition with any conditions or any okay the last of La October which are but there wasn't like change of window or add something [Music] just there is refresh I have it it's yeah it's it's the house is at the very bottom I mean all the it changes the eyebrows everything I mean it looks like they came into compliance with the code um I don't know why you're here honestly uh if we if if we if we've already approved this then uh it looks good I mean the only thing I can think of is that maybe at the time we approved it we requested some minor changes in the previous one okay it's it's already been approved so we just take we would just maybe just these because the drawings were submitted on 10 724 no I mean there's nothing new so if we already have a motion we have a we already approved it back in October then there's nothing for us to to consider so just we'll go okay this is just going to be withdrawn so there's we're not we're not looking at anything and I and I'm sorry sir but we have no idea why it was on I don't know why okay was there any like final notes why it would have been sent back to plan planning board 22 22 of October October 22nd well yeah okay thank you all right so we're gonna wait for your Builder to show okay right so I'm just going to put an x on there all right next will be 1014 Northeast 116 Street 116 street uh Fen and gate actually I need you to go to the the spe uh the microphone you can be recorded um it's just a horizontal Woodgate on each side and then six foot high six foot high wood horizontal all the way around the rest of the perimeter correct okay um the you have a pool no okay is there any gaps in the because the Gap can't be more than a half inch no gaps no gaps so it's just horizontal wood on wood no gaps all favor say I I that was David and Ned all right you're good up good seeing you all right um 6E 11948 Northeast 9th Avenue garage renovation okay so here's the thing um you have a garage that's detached it's not part of the main house correct okay and you want to make it into bedrooms uh an office and kind of like a living space mean that looks like an the bottom right of that plan is an office for the owner uh Grant Anderson so the living space we're still going to keep the garage door to kind of utilize it as a garage but I'm sure I don't know maybe uh there could be a a living space but the garage doors are existing just turning the right half of it as a three-car garage into an office um so the what is what is the remodel is there a name for these rooms is there anything on this plan that says what the the intended use of the these rooms are going to be right now I'm looking at an apartment basically it's a separate You're Building almost a separate house on the property yeah if you look at uh sheet E1 uh maybe it's missing from the architectural sheets but if you look at sheet E1 you will have the have an A o and an A1 there should be an eo1 as well so the storage area would be where the garage the existing garage would kind of remain so the garage doors are not being removed they they depending on the construction cost they might just replace them but they're existing right now garage doors they might change them to uh uh ones with Windows I mean even the the way you have the floor plan laid out with the access to the bathroom from two different directions to me it's it smells of garage apartment and um yeah the direction from the owner was they have two two sorry three kids and two pets yeah young kids um and the owner Grant Anderson works at home or from home so soon as the kids come back it's hectic for them they're they're they're they just moved here from uh New York so they're trying to figure out their living situation that's a directive I got yeah so here let me just maybe offer a solution so since you're the Builder is there a way that you can attach the two buildings together with a walkway or like a a trellis or a covered roof right now it's maybe make it one structure right now it's maybe like 20t separated it's a big lot it has a drive yeah I know because they came in for the fence this these these when they came in and they moved here and you know we had to work with them on the fence because the way the fence comes around and actually is in front of the garage doors that but there is a if I remember correctly there is I I wasn't there for the fence I don't I don't know anything about that but I mean there's no access to the garage doors there I believe there is I I haven't been there in like a month I don't remember exactly but I believe there is um yeah so what he's saying is the the fence goes all the way around the garage door so that you couldn't drive a vehicle directly into it okay I remember there was a opening from their fence though oh it turns from the fence it turns kind of right and then you have to turn in uh left back into the gate into the garage there's not even Ave there's not even a driveway up to the garage doors yeah but they do it does look like they have two very wide it's very wide between there so I assumed seen it again I wasn't there for the fence I assume seen it that they access from that opening and kind of turn however they turn into the garage um I mean we can make some revisions if the the double doors to the bathroom is an issue well it's just it breaks of an I mean I understand this isn't a home all all you got to do is just stick a a refrigerator and a microwave in there and it's it's a full rental apartment um our code says accessory structures cannot be a place of Abode you can't live in there there can't be a bed there can't be it's if if they want to name it garage office Remodel and they state that it's going to be an office and it always be an office then we probably would be more favorable and because you're you're signifying that somebody's not going to be living in it you know um that's that's kind of my direction there but I could uh bring those concerns to the client see where we go from there but they said they just kind of want an area to themselves while they work because they have a lot of kids um I would prefer just have some kind of more clarification on the drawings of in the application of of like even on the plan putting study I mean it's a two-bedroom study a two room study um or play or or play playroom and and office playroom office you know maybe can I just uh write maybe garage there CU technically it's still operating as a garage you know ideally I mean I could put play room I don't know whatever worked for you guys just it's I'm just trying to figure out the best course of actions that's all I'm trying to do yeah yeah we could work on that room for interpretation find or anything you don't mind me asking the the bigger room on the left the the flooring material you know what the flooring material is going to be is it going to be like the epoxy that people put in the inside of garage right now I believe it is epoxy yeah like if they're going to keep it that way too like a note saying that would probably make it feel a lot less like oh this is flooring to remain or something like that and also what about the the the the floor the floor is at grade oh yes yes yes and what about the like building code if the garage is at grade and it's now being with a bathroom and they do they have to raise the floor up to meet you know the the floor currently is can we match the uh cuz I don't know when the flood levels change or whatever or anything like that can it match the existing level of the main house okay whatever code they do doesn't apply to the area okay I'm not sure why you don't have the mechanical but oh because it's just two cassettes in the ceiling yeah there's okay that's yeah that's there's four sheets but I don't know okay well it is AC for for the record it is uh air conditioned so can we table this and ask for more information from the just clarification of the drawings and just now um ensure that there's no uh living yeah you're dwelling to table Scarlet um Ed on say I I so we're going to table it you understand what we're we're looking for um more clarification what you're looking to do you know maybe making it less look less of a home okay it's almost to May waiting to happen they can have an accessory delling you just can't live in it you I'm sorry yes ex thank you sorry all right I think I'm good here if that's everything thank you thank you all right so let's uh Mr Ortiz is on the agenda let's go back to him um the the these gentlemen are actually a discussion item so um 5B 11501 Northeast 10th Avenue demolition hello sir okay right so I went last year uh to find out all this we know yeah okay yeah and and and sorry the reason I was like oh let's do that that like later if we could was just so that we would be because we want to try and figure out how to make all this work but try and help help you problem solve it okay one of the the issues that we had with the the split is if we split it the exact way then we're supposed to have a 10- foot setback on either side right so that was the demo to do that the only problem is is that then the two structures that you had left over are below 1,400 square feet which is like below the minimum right really and I could check the math but it was definitely the one that is on the side as what as far as the way that the the survey was was done which was like the garage side right is that that the problem is is that it has to be a minimum siiz thing so it was like oh if he knocks that all down and walls off the Lower Side then then then it can all work but it might be better for you to start an addition plan on the on the the the garage side on the North side one and then we could look at it and say all right he's concurrently adding square footage to get it to the above the 1400 that needs to be and doing the demo to take out the 10 feet that he needs to on either side of the property line so therefore we don't have an issue but that's why we were like oh we have to kind of have him so do you understand what he was trying to say so if if we allowed you to to do what you asked for and you close the permit and you're done then we'd end up with a small structure on one lot and a a house on the other and neither one of them meet the minimum size requirements of structures in the park right so so it even though we gave you we told you this when you've been working with us and you've been great we we've been telling you to steps to go forward it's just it's something that we didn't right but I consideration and and I think that what would help us go forward would be is if you actually provided the plans of what you planning to do with both structures but I I did at one point when we started the conversation I I previously submitted the design for the intent which was not full CDs but it was the design yes and basically the agreement was demo first split the lot and and then build so that's also why I was like oh man we got to give them lots of time to fix something that creates a non right so we're just in a dilemma about how to get this thing moving forward for you right um so as Gage said when when s was set that show comp well one well you were saying that the garage technically is not a live it's not a house could that aspect now not this is not lot this is just I want to do demo and I'm creating a detached garage but the house would be under size so really the house here theare foot after the demo the could stay as as a detached garage yeah yes now I don't know and then we didn't remember like side the garage fure that you're trying to no the garage was going to remain to be added yeah right so so the the issue that we have is that if we if we do this and approve the demo plans this is only 768 feet right so if you come to us and say all right cool like the this is my construction plans to take the 768 up to above 1,400 then we can approve the demo plans to do all of this stuff you could we could leave this detached garage piece for as long as it's one piece of property but the second that you go to do the split then we would have to go from 400 up to, 1400 for that one as well right right so has a pretty picture in fact if you show two houses we're going to say well it's one lot right you know like back to this conundrum so really it's just showing us the intent for the house the larger keep the garage as it own thing get the demo C right okay so okay so so okay so you're saying first the intent of the house because if you if you were to come next week and now you're showing us the intent for two houses then we have an issue because now it's still one lot you have to split it we can't approve two houses right right so I'm saying you need to just show the intent for one of them probably the one that's already pretty much the house and not just the garage right well that would be the one actually it's still the house building just be a garage and that's okay it's attached doesn't have to Foot Right it meets the setbacks you know well the the plan was to actually build the garage side so I can keep living on the on the house no no you for for for the for right now for the lot split for the demo plan we we can't approve a demolition of something that's going to create a non-conformity I understand okay so if you if you approve if you apply for the Demolition and the application at the same time for the application for the renovation of the existing house foot you know the plans that you have for the house the house part I have it here apply for two things at the same time yeah have them here and then what you could do is once we can say all right cool we're approving the expansion of the 768 and we're approving the demo right then once like you don't as far as the way that we're concerned you don't have to start doing a whole bunch of crazy building stuff on the 768 well he's got he's got okay so here yeah but it sounds like you kind of have it so he can't so he can't he can't de he can't get a lot split until the the it's physically demoed and those permits are closed fut only way to close that get the perm from the department and close that perm is to build that house right have a permit that shows the demo of this but also add to your house okay but I mean it's it's leading you to the goal of where you want to be I mean you want to build on those two properties right yeah okay but he wants to build build on the garage side first but he's so that he can live in the other one while he's building the garage right but if we talk about faces I understand so I can submit the design for the existing house addition so it complies in terms of design and even though I'll build on the other side a drawing that shows what you want to do for the Wonder the back pH and demo right for you to close that per you're to build that well he's no he's going to have two different permits he's going to have a demo plan and a building permit he can close the demo plan once that's completed it'll be two separate permits he has another permit it's two permits yeah be it's one folio with different permits basically two different permits you have you're going to apply for a demo permit a fence permit blah blah all those things that relate to that and then you're going to apply for a building permit for the existing house you you'll do the demo you'll finish it you'll close that permit lot split you'll apply for a permit for the other side and you'll be back here for the other for the other side and then you'll have two separate building permits going at the same time and you can choose to do the garage side faster than than you just have to keep the permits up I mean basically it's a matter of showing that so so right now you're going to ask for a demo permit which you've already done right and you're going to apply for a permit and and in that permit you're going to call that new garage a garage but it's just a detached garage so so it'll be all on the same plan and then once the things split it'll be separate of of the original okay so I'm submitting okay so the addition the addition for the house will include the entire lot because it's still one lot for the permitting purposes yes just and and what what we just have to count is like the square footage of the new structure that's the southern side structure that's currently 768 we're going to be doing the math to make sure it's above, 1400 so that nobody comes and yells at us yeah can we oh yeah I know there was a plan so so I mean I mean the thing is you're gonna have to apply you're just make so these will be the existing house this is the garage so basically this is after demolition this will be the lot separation so I will be adding on the back so that volume reach the 1400 right that's what we're Che right you're going to come back showing this whole thing don't this line that building that's as right so so basically this is the existing house this is what I'm demolishing and then the garage will remain as you're this on here and you're going to have a separate garage whatever there and you'll have one application for this because it's still one folio right you're going to have an application and once you get the application and you get the loot split then you'll split the fio off and you'll create a new and if you can make a reallyy sexy and easy for us if in the little GD that says like oh this is what my total lot size is if you say prier residence 141 foot whatever the number isach garage yeah break 400t then then we'll be able to say all right cool we have everything we need that's why we kind of because I went because I was waiting for the when I went when I went to building apartment he's like where's the per like the demo per like oh you're going back to he I'm like what that's start so you basically a that shows a all the way around all and one whole lot that if decided at that point to walk away from the project we would know that you know the house had an no no it's just so we're in the same page because I know we too long so I demo once I demo and I want to build the other lot then I submit air for the other lot even though I got a plan for these that simp yeah I have I have I have some elev yeah no because I I really think that I I need toting set plans so this just a very unusual thing so where you know we're not used to doing this kind of thing you know lots usually have no no no hous it's like okay M have two separate L but now you know you've been working with us um so that's the process that just so come back to us with the application for the fence you already have the application for the demo and application okay theable right the demo can say as it is now that we have another application at the same time it's going to be there's going to be a demolition a temporary fence for Demolition and then the propos plan can I get a motion to table please I B okay um Ed Scarlet all in favor say I I okay so it's basically for additional information which is all right thank you guys that yeah thank you sir uh the gentleman that came in are you on the agenda the name please the address 6 C okay uh since you're on the agenda you'll be next okay six 6C 1245 northeast on9th Street k r Ro correct sorry yeah yeah thank you is Wings what's there sorry what is on the house currently right now the the house has has the from Venezuela It's s yeah to approve David onday I I motion carries hi uh the re you're approved is approved yeah no the reason I'm here is because the the document that we submit uh we had the the the wrong name on the computer because we are using the wisor is the manufactur is Crown okay but uh we tried to submit the the the correct documents and was uh was not in time and the Lady T us that we need to come here with the uh the documents to to submit it so what what is the what is the roof material in the name of the manufacturer that that we just that that you want to use is a crown Crown that's the name of the company Crown yeah okay and what's Crown building products okay and and what's the name of the material the uh we submit for uh for the uh royal royal what's there what's that this one is is Crown crown and what's the what's the name it's like 600 slate or something like slate okay so so we just approved Crown slate okay so you just have to submit the the proper um um documentation the the maps um but it's been approved that has been approved okay but but the thing is the thing is uh the we be using the Crown Tire is this one but we submit for for mistake the the the wrong NOA and the calculation and everything is different says Boral here it's Boral yeah Boral is now is royal approving what you brought here make sure you have the the correct information uploaded because when it goes to the building department they're going they're the inspection so you have the right oh okay perfect perfect as far as we are appr we're approving that you just have to make sure you get the proper documentation uploaded okay perfect so you don't have to come back to us okay uh you need to to keep the ti it's yours you can keep it thank you that's it okay thanks right next on agenda he thank you good catch thank you all right next would be 7A 724 Northeast 119 Street new construction for supplementary r view okay you have some plans for okay so we're gonna go right here to the table So based on our previous experience with 12010 we try to H the architect try to keep the same guidelines restrictions elevation and of course the the larage limit on the so we haven't seen this before this is new the first time okay we're presented in the case the here is not too clear in color you may solve the doubts you may have sometimes the black and white and this right very well all right so let's look at our Basics first um uh yeah what's the what's the lot total lot 9,000 the full lot yes is 9,375 all right so one half of that is your maximum buildable so you're at according to this you're at 49.87 yeah we are in the limit I guess does that include these air condition pads all everything that's touching the lot I don't see a walkway to the front door no so he just went over the front you just went over your you just went over your thing because you're GNA come back and we're gonna go hey you agreed to 49.78 okay we need to include and everything that's that's going to be developed pool everything everything everything that's developed you have it here pool dech you have driveway you have slabs yes okay over Miss is the path from the driveway to the main entrance yeah and then you know if there's any you know future path we can do it with pebbles that's developed it's not it's not impervious perious it's developed if it's non- green it's it's it's it's basically 50% green 50% developed so even if you do pebbles that's that's actually developed um uh product that's good to know yeah the Gage we have it and okay so that would be one thing that we have to adjust I'm write it down 10 10 30 I take it this is no this is more than 10 yes is 16 okay this this 15 feet is the first floor correct and then this this is 15 this no sorry the second floor the second Flor yeah first first floor this is the first floor 10 yes okay so all right and it includes all the back this big area yeah here we don't have anything is only this ah P deck ah so p and deck and so let's reduce this in order that we because we are in the limit yeah there too so this is very big so let's do something and we literally have a we have something in front of us right now where they built out exactly to 50% and then the new owner came back and said oh I want to put a a generator in we're like well you just went over your limit so be careful of you know you know keep that in mind so all right so setback slot coverage you're right at that we talked about that yes all right let's look at that than God we have that P deck I wasn't sure of that yeah it's huge look at it it's huge they pull theara yeah so we eliminate part of that this is 30 feet 28 feet so you're you're meeting the code with the the maximum 30 feet and you're setting it back five feet right all right so you you've done that okay interior I mean we're not so concerned about what how you do the interior walls it's always nice oh this window you so you have so oh no I'm sorry here it is second floor so one window here you have window here so this is actually in the front 2/3 of the property so let's let's look at you want take a look at yeah is this side is above which one you're looking these are the two for the bedroom is these two the one in the front that's the rear sorry the one in the front the other side the we can't really see the windows from the front here's the you have side elevations there yes you had the side elevation on the East and on the on the west you're talking on the first floor or on the second floor ah okay yeah we have these on for the for the bathroom this one is the one that you were talking about or just the front where you're concern no no no no so so so this is the front of the house yes yes so these windows are in the first oneir yes of the house so these windows are not really um we're not really concerned about them because you're technically looking over your neighbor's house corre the roof yes it's the ones in the back that are that we have to be have to be done in a way that you're not looking into your neighbor neighbor um so this one is good this elevation and then this elevation here if this this one not to concern because this we have they're way back not only that this is on the double ceiling yeah so this is just to get a light into the house but here we have like a on the double ceiling so it's like a 20 20t High these windows so so the two so the window um the windows are there's no ISS Windows because there's no floors exactly so we're not wor about that now this this open below yeah and there's no water and this one is way over here and it's up high yes seven feet high this one is a laundry room it's not really technically facing the he's facing the front no so facing the it's you know 15 and it's high yeah I'm not now the the the fact that you have one roof level that's the issue yeah yeah yes one roof here you know to me that's kind of pushing the have saying that you have so you have one little thing and one balcony here I don't know I'm just I'd like to see clear reques CH only for for uh design or for for which reason to avoid having flat like this this is a box but if you see the front of the house in the renders does it look like a like a box no but it but can you not have this L like a little bit lower and just have it you know so that it's it's high or higher yeah but we're in the limit of the high I know it's 27 the limit right 28 28 so we can Elevate the L well it's 261 here an easy fix to take that over the entry and just and then lower that down or something and just create like some some levels because right now I'm looking at it and I see a flat roof box house even though there's play in the the elevations yes it's still one level and so if you just delineate one section which could be that roof or it has to be a certain percentage or no let's say let's take this pie only we if we elev and how much elevation between one foot only so so this is the solution because we are under 28 we're 2610 one foot is 26 2710 that's it if you agree yeah I mean you're so so you're actually even more because that 26 that 28 foot level is from basically plus so 2 10 Z yes so you actually have three more feet ah okay okay perfect so see could be thicker let's say this thicker like a big big bold or an elevation I mean that's I mean like you have it here yes you know something exactly something similar but in the front it just seems like you know to me it would make sense to have that lower and then the house steps up behind it you know instead of that higher and then going back down um but that's you know that's you as a designer to to to come up with I understand why um we're trying to avoid having these big Mega boxes and um and so if if you can play with it makes sense it just it would it would help soften it because technically you do have you know these two story walls on each side which they meet our Cod you you you nailed all of the questions yeah um but the flat roof part is is is only or to adjust normal okay okay where we can do that do that does this does this come out like that there MH lower like half of that what what about higher I know you like it lower but what about higher it will be as long as you you meet the letter of our code which would be that it's that between here and here it's yes at least one foot yes um it doesn't exceed the height and it does and this and this does not does not go over at 28 then then you're meeting the letter the letter do you know the height of these windows yes because one thing that I would say just working with enough impact class is that you may want to think about making this height so that you have three stand yeah because it's custom made anyway yeah 86 by 91 each one of them we can do it you know complete elevation they're all 86 by 91 yes no we have two see we have one F sorry 86 by 68 and two 86 by 91 so we can make it all three the same well that would be the stairs going up higher exactly the the whole thing you guys figure out I'm just saying that that might be a cost saving measure that then helps to evaluate the part yes all right reduction yeah so is this is this code Bas blood plus one the way it's drawn here yeah so somewhere in there it has the base FL is plus seven so that's a apid ngbd and it's really ngbd not na like so they their ground floor which needs the beginning so that's their first first level and that's where we take the 28 where's the garage the garage okay but my I guess my question okay I just want to avoid like any kind of ramping with the driveway like we're not this is not this is their driveway is down at the gra their house is up here 2 and half ft the first floor but I'm the garage is down here correct the Gage somewhere between 2.2 and zero no I think the garage is basically this unless whatever I don't know if this yeah I don't know if this meant to indicate some sort of elevation R is this is this brought as a a perspective or is it what exactly we looking at here like a driveway yeah but we we don't end like with some kind of ramp going up to like you know starting at the road and you have this ramp going up to to the garage um you know the deps obviously this is a given because it's the front door yeah because the garage is lower than the the there some they basically are stepping one step to get in front of the garage right so the garage finished floor is 6.83 versus this has to be at eight right so it's basically something off there gentlemen because you have a another step here sorry sorry yeah so they've got two seven inch steps to get into there so so this is so the the house is at eight house is at eight and you're say garage is 14 inch is lower is 14 and then the stre is is is 5.8 or the or the lot is 5 yeah so that's out in the middle of okay so we're only talking about like 10 a foot basically up okay I just want to make sure like ramp going up oh it's it literally a foot okay the question for future reference ramp going out going up to the garage is not allowed not aesthetically no no no we need to to work with look like they belong together on the street yes and if one house has a ramp going up with with actual physical walls on each side where you could fall off you know it's not what about elevating with a with a nice uh well if you want to elevate the front yard with with Phil we we so that the the driveway looks like was there then you go to DM and all the runoff that you're pushing into the B properties they'll you so want you elev but this but this is not the case here no in this case no no but but I was thinking in another project we may need it but now that are hearing these the reason we have consider not to well the reason we have that code is because we we've seen and we've luckily been able to come office where somebody comes in says oh I want the garage to be at plus three because I'm afraid of future flooding or something like that and they want to start the house at plus three so so that's one of the reasons that we we the code got changed to plus one is to try and maintain the height yes and not saying that somebody can come in and say okay I'm going to put this up plus three plus four and then plus four you go 28 feet and then you end up with this house that's actually 32 ft you know above the ground so we're trying to control the to control the elev yeah okay well thank you for all right so this was a discussion first meeting uh we're going to move it to Second reading okay um I don't think there was a lot of comments is there any other thing that you you see might arise next so we need to adjust the lot coverage reducing exactly makeing that adjustment and the flat roof that we may be able to solve with the raise this lower lower whatever he likes lower well it's just said you're going to be driving down the street and there's a roof that's 28 ft up and it it looks you build it it looks steps upwards but that's you know you're the architect no we're trying to do different things is that what you think you want it to look like flat exactly have to play on the roof level yeah you know this looks great I mean you have like you know all this play know this actually works you know um but it's just it it it comes across very massive um so um so here's the thing it's not a lot of changes done really well the first review so you might come back the second time and we say okay we're going to move you to a you don't have to go for three okay try so if you come back and it all works out and we're say okay we're going to move you to the agenda the windows of the second floor do they have to be like frosted or in this case no the the windows are in the high very high the rule the the wording is diminish and you don't really have a lot of Windows that actually look into your neighbor okay thank you so much thank you and we'll give you all this back excellent [Music] thanks this will be uh moved to second review discussion roof roof line all right I have the meeting all right thank you Jan all right so we have the minutes from uh January 6 2025 review you have any questions okay thank you you're done we'll see you we'll see you when you you come back for us for the next review thank you all right e what is moved 5 Z what does that mean like move to move to the motion was to make um it was moved to the discuss oh it's moved to a different part of the agenda okay they move to the official agenda or then it would move as discussion two perms that okay are ready second and David all Pap say I motion carries all right next is going to be building old business a5a 11308 Northeast 9th Avenue aluminum fence e installation horizontal aluminum fence with two single Gates gate would be four in four feet wide um they had two different types of fences they have chain fence and they had another material fence that they were putting in try to figure something about what they were doing did they put it like the last thing is a picture of a gate with like wood in between is this a change of design maybe because it looks like I don't remember seeing this last picture Vince will be bronze okay and then the next page seven of seven is it a change of design but whatever is here looks like it's it's fine well are you allowed to have those types of gaps those invisible see through gaps well they're wood what do they call nuisance for kids with pools behind it talking about the 3 in gaps between the vertical slabs yes oh but it's if you look at the last picture it has wood in between there's a that's maybe what oh there's gaps I'm talking about this it's 3in gaps vertical pieces with 3 in gaps hold on am I on the the wrong one here 5A old business 113 yeah sorry I I've L looked at 5c twice I excited about 5c second David at Al I I no Edward David Ed and David sorry yeah but then they also have their other weird fences in the it's a okay so 5A was approved 4 zero all right next uh 5c 11636 Northeast 7th Avenue temporary construction fence we just did that that's what I'm saying they're putting chain link fence everywhere because it doesn't say new construction fence it says temporary construction fence in the label but on page one of the application it says new fence yeah okay the $40,000 fence probably G coup Coupe on that but hey it looks great actually I have to say it looks really amazing um to approve do we have a on hold on this is 11636 north this came in for us last time and we were questioning if you look at page number 415 bless you yeah I've it's number four is that four it's it's it's SD 1.0 yeah I think there was a question about 4 15 is the application okay then it's on the oh something 24 of 27 sorry 24 of 27 excuse me the question was we were it wasn't they're doing chain link around the perimeter and then the front they're doing that little decorative thing that they've done um and it it lines up with the front of the house I think there was an issue the last time that's why it's act back as an old business um that David all say I I yeah it's it's actually a fence so I'm going to strike the word temporary construction just put fence because they actually already have a construction fence on that property because it's been under construction for a while um next will be 5D 11643 Northeast 11th Place flat re roof um 11643 bis game Park G it's just the flat roof in the back it looks like and then on this one side flat roof fly roof what should do roof yeah why is it old business think that didn't know before about what they were doing with the whole rest of the the house we didn't have this page from what I remember page five yeah so we were like we need to make sure they don't just use this as a cheat code to do the whole yeah David okay David Ed say I I okay that's approved um 5 do is withdrawn so question the um the be house roof where's that at okay so we're not so it didn't get missed or anything I want to make sure that we yeah well then we'll deal with that when it comes back the next one okay next will be 6b1 70 Northeast on 21st Street wooden fence and didn't come back with like the revised fence you know there was still a requirement on a fence a total 30 foot by 6 foot high wood board on board homeowner is responsible for waterproofing or color stain okay with 8 foot double Drive gate double Drive gate what's that mean oh so but there on the side of the house okay so the other one that faces 11th Avenue is the issue because they want to do six foot up to the property line that's not a loud 11th Avenue on 121st Street I mean we've we have judged priorly prior that 11th Avenue is an alley which okay but I'm just saying for but for code reasons it's not a street so the back on that side would go they could take a fence up to the property line because it's typically it's like a side yard motion to approve um David add all in favor the i i motion carries 6D 11807 noreast 11th Place new construction second preliminary view so this is the one that we moved to to the agenda at our last meeting 11 1807 move to agenda for final motion at the next meeting schedule for a future planning Z re board meeting for a second review plans once new plans are submitted okay so we must have like this so much that we moved it to the agenda previously and then when they came discussion agenda the South elevation is the one that has the the garage on it no the South that's the North the south is on the right so South remember it was like a big blank wall and we were like can you do something that make it a little but I don't see any updated drawing from the last time did it get just moved to the agenda and it didn't they didn't submit any new drawings because I don't see the the pads either like David asked for the AC's did they between can you look this up did they submit a new drawing between the last meeting and now as we moved it to the next agenda with the intent that they were going to submit final drawing it's funny because they've been so good about coming that I'm surprised they didn't come they didn't submit any can we table this for additional information hold on oneit a second they are dated I don't see a date on them hold on no 10:25 102524 and there's been no there was a revision no no revisions so I don't think they submitted any drawings after our last meeting of January 6 2025 so since they didn't submit final drawings for the final approval we have to table it for more information and as I have a t a motion by Ed the it was your language table until we see updated sou loation well the the information that we requested on our minutes okay yeah because even the the the minutes say schedule for a future planning design review board meeting for a second review one of plans once new plans are submitted they never they didn't submit the plans second okay Ed David all in favor say hi I so that's a table all right present VAR like I read the variant thing but I not here I wasn't sure is this let's let's finish up 7B real quick and then we'll get to we'll get this 8A 7B 11905 Northeast 6 Avenue edition first plinary review there no show last meeting you're saying it's too extensive so they have to come back yes I mean we can move it no no there was one that we said no to last time because they were just adding a twostory house onto a one onto the back of it yeah that was that was one that we had that we were fussy about this is just okay so so it's a big but not at the next meeting okay coverage is 39. all right so let's so I have a motion to move 7B to 6f okay that's uh Ed David okay we're moving it up so six 7B is now 6f so now let's look at it as an addition let's look at the lot coverage etc etc but we can in a in a discussion I think we should consider what we just did and move it ourselves instead of having somebody at the Village Hall make the decision whether or not the addition is is whether or not we should see it or not yeah because we last week we last week we got a we got a and addition on the back okay setbacks is the setback okay and the lot coverage 10 foot s side setback 10 foot three okay 20 feet to the rear so they're good on the lot coverage or the side the side bags um building don't see a lot coverage calculation yet it's at the top 40% 49 it's flat roof oh there it is okay all right to or 37 points Mo to approve David Scarlet on fav say I I motion carries okay so we approve that all right so we're moving on to huh did I skip something oh one I won't get off oh is that it okay 5c okay um 8A 11619 noreast 6 Avenue this is a uh variance for application for a pool all right yes no we have well we have not yes we have okay so let me just recap this a little bit because there was some confusion and personal attacks against the chair um that I just uh I seconded oh you did okay good okay um so according to the record this this pool application first came in front of us in November of 2022 it was denied because of the pool being in the side front setback it was brought back against to us again on January 23rd 23 it was denied again because it was in the front side setback was brought back against to aess again on February 6 2023 it was denied again because it was in the front side set back supposedly there was a application for a variance um submitted in February of 23 but that application has never made it to the planning board we never saw it it I don't know what happened I understand there was some communication error between the village the contractor who's non-responsive and the resident who um I don't know why this but there it never came to us okay um November 21st 2024 a new application was presented to us for a pool in uh pool with new setbacks but it was still denied because it was in the side front setback so now we're now we're looking at the variant application to place the pool in the side front setback let me open it up um so the application is relief from setback requirements side and Front Street for a pool so um the applicants not here would have been nice if they had been here to uh describe why they they deserve the U the variance or the relief from our code the F variance and again we're just applying we're just giving a recommendation to the Village commission it's the commission that makes the ultimate um decision um so um looking at the drawing I'm still not clear of how many feet that they want into this front side setback um because the dimension lines don't are not really clear there's a dimension line from the median on the middle of 117th Street across one lane of traffic all the way to the pool which they are there's a dimension line there but there's not a dimension line from the property line to the water line so the I'm not still clear on exactly how much they're asking for but we can consider their their application um yeah the record would say that this is the same proposed survey as what at yeah so there's still not Clarity of what they're asking for for relief in the side setback so we want to go ahead and review this and make comments even though the resident's not here I mean I think we should because it's been of the time and I don't want to be accused of that we're not moving their their application forward even though they're not here my only that was what my only question was realizing that it wasn't here is there's nothing you know of in the code that says that we can't finish our part without him like presenting to us yeah I mean basically what I mean he gave us his his application here of why no there's not yeah I didn't know if it was something like the engineers on the shingle roof well it's it's it's because it's something that he wants and that's what he wants well we can read it I have the we have the application right here we asked him to tell us where the drain field is yeah well well you missed four of them I mean you probably were at one you you're probably no you're probably at one of these meetings that I just called out between 2022 and 2024 yeah so by Point okay so but let's yes he was yes it was a he said that he was not able to put it um because of the drain field lots of yell it was a it was a heated meeting um yeah it was fun so I had to give Gage a hug afterwards we had to call I was devastated I mean I'm not used to president being so Ru with me um anyway I don't I you know anyway I'm a big boy review yeah I got there's campaign signs out there fire gauge um um there okay so variance request application one okay we're we're looking at this in a as per the application number one there are special circumstances or conditions affecting the property which are such that the strict application of the code would deprive the applicant of reasonable use of his or her land okay so spectal circumstances and his his response pool cannot be built in the back for the following reasons the back has no room to build the pool 10 foot setback there is a driveway in the back three septic tank and drainfield are in the back okay so there is a driveway which actually is in the setback which is fine I mean but it wouldn't affect so right now he has 28.5 three feet between the back corner of the house and the property line there's a driveway at his narrowest so so that's one section that he's saying that's where the drain field because I'm saying I'm I'm assuming that's what he meant by the back okay so as it is right now there is room to put a pool there they would just have to move their drain fi drain field which is not you know that's not drain field being in the way is not a you know it's not a hardship but in real and the other thing is is that on the other side of the house they have 45t between the side of the house and the other property line which is plenty of room to put a pool and and they could do it right away they could apply they could take this pool lift it up and put it on the other side and um and place it into that thing so there's I I'm not buying personally I mean we can discuss it as a each individually um that the special circumstances and number one are are are are are in the conditions are are affecting the location of this pool that to deprive them of reasonable use of their land again you guys would like to chime in we this is I'm just chairing the meeting okay number two the variance is necessary for the presid reservation enjoyment of substantial property right of the application the side of the property had the outdoor recreation area with a deck in jacuzzi a storm had all the palm trees hit by a thunderstorm and all has been broken no use of the yard since okay so but they have this huge front yard 54 feet the V the variance is necessary so the variance for a pool is necessary for the preservation and enjoyment of substantial property right of the applicant and he was saying because the deck is broken in that area that's stopping him from using enjoyment of their property even though the front yard is 40 54 feet deep I'm not I'm I'm not personally getting that one but again I'll let the board chime in too I mean it's look 21,000 Square fet lot is definitely double lot what bising park would be you said 10,500 is larger than theot is I think a lot of people would agree his house is 3,920 which is large but it's not overly sized that there's not plenty of spaces to find a pool off the dimensions of the size of pooling to create okay so Point number two that the preserv that the ne the variance is necessary to preserve the enjoyment of substantial property right on that's on this 20 20,000 foot L okay number three the grant the granting of the variants will not be detrimental to the public welfare interest to other property in the area in which the property is located the pool is far from any neighbors's homes and the hedges around it are over six foot tall no one can either enter the pool area from outside unless we provide access okay I mean three I think it's it's a reasonable thing because I don't think it's going to be it would be detrimental to have a pool number four the variance proposed is the minimum variance which makes possible the reasonable use of the property we are requesting a variance for improvement private use and the basic right for enjoyment of acceptable and basic use of the property's outdoor yard I would say is as the board it's impossible for us to ascertain the minimum use we don't know what the actual setback is that he's asking for from the property line based off the current but the the question would be yes um what is the minimum variance so is a minimum a 13 by 32 foot pool is that the minimum well that's why I'm saying like I'm kind of just punting on the question because it's like hey the math that we're seeing doesn't allow us to see hey are you trying to get to a 10- foot setb trying to get to a 15 foot setback what is what are you trying to do to the property line okay all right so I would also say that um I can't say that a pool is depriving him of the minimal use of his property have to not have a especially considering there's two other spots on the property that the person could actually provide the pool fre of variances and enjoy their pool if they really want it um so I agree there it's so still not a minimum yeah minimum so what is it on six is yes Zone a Zone B so so the 54 foot front yard that he has he could even if he wanted to 54 foot distance that he has to nor6 he could even put it on that side of theard if he wanted to because that is a that so a pool is a is a accessory structure and it does meet the setbacks of an accessory structure which is 30 ft in the front but the issue would become in the wall or the fence that it would have to separate it from the street that is against the coat huh well it has a non-conforming chain link fence or 4 foot chain link fence that's on the property line that if it came down it would not be able to go back up if if he if he got a pool that everything was more than 30 ft from the property line in the front um being a corner lot on a busy Street would be more likely to Grant a variance to allow a fence if it has the proper setbacks to exist around not with all that other property for me personally not with that not with that other proper there's other places on the lot that they could put it I why should we allow this one person to have a fence in their front yard because you know yeah so anyway so we've we've discussed it would anybody like as a board member to discuss points one points two points three points four okay so um I don't agree with any of okay so well I thought okay well no I'm just asking you for discussion right now I I haven't moved a vote yet so no but I'm just saying of of the yeah sorry three is reasonable so we're making a recommendation to the Village commission they can go to the Village commission for for this um um I will go ahead and voice my personal opinion I don't think that they meet points one two or four um three you know it's it's it's it's it could be argued yes it does not affect the other properties so I would be voting not not to recommend this based on the not meeting one two and four I'm making a recommendation right voting yeah oh not voting I'm just I'm just stating my fact discussion no I mean do you do you feel what do you feel is this the application yes no my my thought would be one two and four the part where in depending maybe not in this specific place but depending on the degree of leniency if they're like jacked up maybe i' would be a little bit more okay with the front and then is just or trying to get a Vari on fence but in this situation but you're not the application's not for the front so let's let's just kind of move on from that and talk about what's being in front of us and I said fine with what you said so all right I'll that's yeah so you're not I'm I my thought is yes one two and four fails the the S test thank you I am agree with both of you okay why didn't I just say that right is that the only question you had was there any other question 20,000 20,000 a more than double lot okay all right all right so um um I get a motion from the board I we've heard everybody with do we recommend or not that's the motion motion to not recommend but only sign on what are Ved yeah okay uh David Ed all favor to say I I okay so we're the motion is not to recommend oh here it is I gotta fill this out so um now you don't want thing for 20 seconds okay um so we all we all approved yes okay so um we all voted no we did we we voted no not to REM in does not meet we have a running note any I know we've talked about this one time but a running note anywhere of um things that we would recommend for change the next the commission is changing code stuff because I don't I have no yeah I have no Pro I'm going to create one now but I was trying to think the other day of what the thing was that we were talking about like oh yeah next time that they're that we're changing the code I couldn't remember if it had something to do with oh like it had something to do with some Roofing component and there was phrasing something that was one of the pieces that had been changed recently there was phrasing how did that so so just to be clear if we're going to ask also that he clarify what he's he's setting back from the property line what he's requesting well I mean that that's IR relevance it doesn't it's not relevant but the thing is is that the variance is going to say the the applicant wants to um encroach into the side front setback 24 by by 24 feet or something like that it's not on here so I'm just going to put on here that they have to provide that information to into setback so before this is published or anything like that the applicant needs to actually give us a dimension from the water line to the property line there's no Dimension here so then what you do is you take the 30 feet minus this and then that's the encroachment okay and that's the information that we don't have um P can you specify that that should be on the application form um they he they should they should write that like here's what we're exactly what they're requesting Varian yeah it should be the distance the application is technically not complete it needs does say to actually say what they're requesting yeah you didn't need it didn't need to be five votes corre I think it's a major simple majority okay all right so we for okay so we voted 40 not to recommend all right our next meeting is going to be on February how how are people doing with all the getting better I honestly I kind of saw how short this list was and I is AR well my my I forget who was somebody was like oh yeah if you want to do it then you have to go in to get all this is like at the time none of the forms were actually on cap so it's like you got to go in to get the forms to UNS scan so now most of the forms have been uploaded to The Village's website so they can access those forms there or they can stop by Village Hall or they can send an email to anyone of the staff members in Village Hall to get the gotta and you were trying you were like oh how do we do this without re-uploading a million blank pages or yeah oh okay can I just finish up the meeting so our our our next meeting is on um Monday uh February 3D uh is everybody good with that everyone gonna be here okay two three next meeting can I have get in a motion to adjourn okay motion to okay okay David Ed on I I we adjourned at 807 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