so go [Music] than scl everyone hey how are you hey there Mario I have you on somebody already checked in for
you is there somebody here for you is there somebody here on your behalf no oh be 11 yeah I have it for a offence right so you Haven already checked in he just walked in though oh because I was here
first oh okay I'm like I'm like like got it okay e e e e good I I Che okay did did when you submitted when you
is it a mess up on the village or was it did he submit in time to be on tonight's agenda or is it the thing is not office okay but I'm just saying but he just submitted in time for the cut the permit number and everything is just the thing is creation of the agenda okay um so we'll we'll add it to
7c I mean if if you missed the deadline then we'd have to wait till next meeting but if you were before the deadline what's the address it's 51 night Northeast 18 okay thank you sir and it's a discussion on yeah new single family
res all right so you're gonna you're be you'll be the last one so everybody ready everyone's checked in yeah you ready we live and Rec all right everyone's ready
here all right all right good evening everyone let's go ahead and get started um this is the village of bisc Park planning and designing planning and design review board meeting for Monday March 31st 2025 it is now 6:34 we'll do the roll call Edward Lea
Scarlet Hammond David Grom here Gage Chung I'm here as well as Denisha from the building department um we do have Pablo did send a letter saying that he was going to be here tonight so can I get a motion to excuse
Pablo David Ed all in favor say hi I excuse all right so what we'll do is we'll go with the residents and the applicants that are here and uh first 6s 6s so uh we'll go in order of the agenda
so the first one is going to be 5B 10009 Northeast Street metal roof Sant oh I'm sorry yes and I am adding a an item for discussion 7c 519 Northeast 18 Street for discussion thank
you all right so 5B okay um metal roof see uh you can go go to the microphone please yes so I think the issue on this was you were declaring um a 24inch overhang all
the way around with an 8 inch fascia but according to the photos it was really hard to see the gabled ends of the property okay okay there's there's not there's not 12 in on
the side over there's 6 in of overhang but I mean I've been doing comparable around the C you know there are comparable Rings not with metal roofs okay so
okay okay by the way just we we're we kind of we decided put panels solar panel our week about two years ago and unfortunately that to been disne park for 11 years now
we're trying to we good for our home everything else just turns out that because of the panels through those those piles that we have come through and now we have to get turns out through different roofing
companies as well that any tile that we put with pels once you drill in it's not going to be secure potentially we're going to isad so the only solution for us is to have a met roofed that's why we're that's here okay so we we not to
be confrontational with right off the bat um so one of the reasons we wanted you to come in and talk to us is because we do have situations where gabled roofs on the of the properties it's hard to put the required 12in overhang on so um we
have um what we're looking for is some sort of overhang that delineates the roof on the ends so you just don't have the the the the concrete with the with the gabled in the drip edge right at the the the the concrete am I correct on
this so what we've been asking for is is is residents like or an applicants like I'm I'm noticing on the front porch that comes out the The Gables the side just goes straight up there's no there's no delineation of the metal roof overhang
so what we been asking is that you apply some type of like 2 by6 you know maybe double it up facial board just to kind of 2 by one by6 on top as a fa Yeah just something to kind of create a um of a
line on the roof so you don't have this this this Stark wall because that's really what the intent of the code was is to not have this really start commercial metal roof look with the concrete so what we've been asking and because you weren't we weren't hearing from you we just kept getting it back to
us and we'd have to unfortunately deny it is that if you could create some kind of Shadow effect on the end I think the board would be applicable to that I 2 by and then 1 by6 that's how I have I don't have G head up my house what I
did is I did a 2 by8 and 1x6 and then the furry which is another 1 by two and it gave me what maybe five inches off my wall um is that sufficient so if you wanted to do a a field trip if you go
here to like to six and then you make a left like you're going on Griffin there's one house that's at that end point that's one of the examples of a house at flat cabled EDS and they put bump BS and I'm not sure from a f
perspective like not a contractor how easy it would be to do yeah there's a chance that what they did is is that they ran uh two two by sixes I think yeah maybe maybe like either 4x4 block that gave it a little
bit more of a pop out but it basically was when you add all the the math together was very close to a foot so then it was consistent too with the the rest of the roof FES but I was reading on the requirement for example her house
is a almost three it's not three 12 wise so it's not a 3 and 12 one of the requirement says that if it's between three and 4 in Str then yes we need to have overhand anything under that as long it's not under two and a half it's
okay Sol so even though she doesn't but again we realized it's it's a it's an engineering you know thing you have to jump through to put these huge um overhangs on the side so what the one that David's pointed out I believe what they did is they put two two by sixes
together created a five inch roughly five maybe and then with the drip edge it got out to a little bit further got a little bit further and it created the the effect that we we believe that the code is is um the intent is for the code so so you saying a 2 by eight of 1 by
six another filler one what I I love that but I can get you know five to six inches of overhang there and I won't meet that foot because in order to get a foot you have have floating overhead so time you know you
can have a floating overhead creas on your metal I'm trying to get goodal good metal roof their issue is that um their roof is just 10 years old they made L and they have leaks all over the place because they got a solar panel so now they have to cut into and attach their
brackets to the actual decking or the Tres so our solar panels we have loan on them there's nothing we could do about it return them we could so so I was giving them the solution because on a metal roof I can attach they can attach those s to the actual bracket you get a
higher wind uplift and they prevent leaks from happening on their house because you you you are providing the overhang on the other all the other sides ex just just not the Gable side she has the main and she had or an addition that's in the back of the house
the the addition that's in the back of the house has a full overhang all around it's more modern construction that's full over so I need there it's just in the front I don't have you know the the size get to that one foot I can get six
inches without um without adding anything structural to the house you know um okay so we're talking about east side of the front porch that comes out and then the gables on the end and just as a question
the width of an individual pel is like8 in or 16 in okay it's 16 inches so I mean beond half more than half it hanging off you're going to get your hurricane
the house here we didn't ask them to go to we wored with them I think it was 8 in that they provided but they didn't we wor with them perspective either whether it comes back again as a vote or if we vote on it and give you
basically sign off well he's willing to do it now so I mean if he commits to something and he uploads the drawing we I mean it's on the agenda we can vote on it now yeah so so but I'm just asking Ed to chime in and um what do
they detail but I think that was two two by sixes pushed together on the end and then they then the drip edge and it took it out to took out that inad of Two and a one bu a two bu and a
two bu I mean not that pretty as a one buyer on top of it but I can get 6 in seven inch close to eight but I don't know if I can get eight maybe push it off theuring off a little off you know make an inch I mean that's where
most of my wind up is that's where I don't want to get too much that's that's my hurricane rain if I can ask I just how these five cols got approved like most of them look like ERS so you know and again I thank you guys for working with us um and trying
to meet us you know somewhere in the middle but I'm just wondering how these got I'm not I don't have what you you have in front of you so I have no idea what what you're yeah but I'm just saying if you look at them I mean we're pretty consistent with our approvals on metal roofs so
okay I I'm just you know I want to I if that happened that means someone came up this Bo hold this one thing and build something else that's all I can tell you the bo would never approve a metal Ro zero over it just we not even like very clear so is there a house in
Village that's built like that I don't know I'm sure it is yeah I'm just saying they weren't approved by us that way right but that's also why this is on the agenda a few times time trying to get someone back in to speak with us because you did submit something to say you have the overhangs right but then if we look
at Google Street View we see it's not on the sides and I mean you submitted a document that testimony that are it was all the way around the the the the document that you signed know tell us yeah we have it here's a photo here's a diagram we attest to it you know we don't make site
in someone's home turns out they have it it's still not for code right I can get I can get not that a exactly but I can get I can get my get a overhand picture I can put a two a 2 by 2 by8 2 by6 and a
you know I mean look for me six in the IDE is over that's int but if you're committed to that and you and you're willing to yeah submit up upload the new document we can make a motion if if the board
yeah can I get a motion motion to approve pending the upload of the okay yeah I mean you're have to regard the the building department gonna have to revie this [Music]
now have a motion in a second David and Scarlet on say I ibody oppose okay motion carries 4 Z all right thank you thanks for working with us all right next is going to be uh new business 6A 637 Northeast under 19 Street impact windows and
doors good evening all right so it's a new construction for frame Blass they're pretty much all fixed windows except for a couple hor one horizontal roller CC and are you doing these muttons the
muttons on the windows I mean looks pretty consistent it's something going on over [Laughter] here motion David and Scarlet all favor say I I motion carries all right you're good thank
you all right six J 11018 Northeast 8th Avenue cordoza Rosie sorry that's this is for um fence platform y
thises that today need to do it because the that per and passing the line so bring it in toos to follow okay so you just applying for this area
that's zoomed in area of work so it's just that one area along the side of the house the whole right side different places I to bring all my property okay oh I
see see I see where the deviates from motion to approve okay David and Scarlet all favor to say I do you have a question okay all in favor say I I motion
carries thank you 6j 1111 11120 Northeast 9th Avenue impact windows and doors all right just give us a second to look at the schedule JK L I'm sorry L what did I say
you said J again and I oh I'm sorry 6 L excuse me K has a 6K is here too okay okay are you replacing all the windows I'm sorry it's just hard to to tell
because what I say existing door existing window so it looks like all the across the front are existing because it says E1 E2 those are
existing like two in the back there exis you can see one of the and then basically [Music] the ones that are on the front facing
the street those ones are all changing yes so inad of two will be one and then the side inad of the one that you be a little bigger than that okay all white frame yes
yeah so I'm looking at your Legend that's what I'm just trying to understand it's it says e existing door e existing window but then you're your your elevation says E1 and
E2 are they existing or they new and then1 are new like based on the schedule right because for E1 E2 E3 E4 they have a horizont slider e it says existing window for the E with
circle says exting door so I think anything that has E1 2 is new okay so because it correlates to a product approval or something in the schedule right yeah schule actual size and product
number not the best choice yeah it's just it's confusing because you're using shows Mark right CLE they gave it an E1 E2 but it's confusing we see e usually
existing to remain when it's really new so usually it's a A1 so they look like they're all horizontal or horizontal and fixed or casement of some sort across the front really that's what we're looking at and the color is white
okay Ed and David all in favor say I I motion carries all right thank you all right six 6K okay 11032 Northeast 9 cour re is that is that you Mur
1132 Northeast 9th Court Perez correct okay okay so it's a basically it looks like a hip roof um P the tile gray okay any questions on the board
concrete motion to approve David Scarlet on forv say I I motion carries okay thanks and is are you here for another one or no just that one that's that one that one okay and you said somebody came in which which number was he over there this gentleman
in the back thank you guys no huh1 6p 801 6 P okay all right the next is gonna be six in Sally bar it's 501 uh Northeast 11 place I have to
myself you helped him out yeah okay so Ed is recusing himself he'll fill out one of the forms he's already done it okay uh six in so this is the permit yeah did you do
six you did yeah we did we approved that so now it's the actual permit it looks like you're doing a nice little driveway in concrete cylinder borders gravel that's the gravel that we picked
out the last time yes concrete at the street and then I still have it in I don't want to get and then what what what is the part that's along the street is that now gravel too it's the part that's going to be the
the parallel parking that's along the street what is that material it's not called out I see the drawing parking it has same it's well in the driveway part yeah the gravel but then it would have to have the same
borders I think that it does it has slightly biger we're allow he's not allowed to we're not allowed to ask question because he he would it would be
it's yeah he has to be outside and we can't ask him question is he can't because he can't participate and it might look like we're influencing our decision because he you know so um okay so it is it is hashed gravel so I would assume that it's
gravel um okay David and scl fav say I I so it's approve three Z Ed excused or recused sorry yes um well I mean it has to go through the building official but we
approved it so now it goes to the building official and they have to look at it and approve it then they send an email or do I check with them or what happens next I'm sure somebody will be in touch
okay so you started the permitting process it's under plan review and this is the the design review aspect of your plan review now it's going to go to the other disciplines so that either that may be structural so engineering just to make sure everything is up to code and
then once you pay your fees you'll go ahead and they'll issue the permit and issue your stamp plans and you can go ahead and complete your driveway so some don't get a hold of you thank you thanks Sally good luck all
right tell Ed to come back in you'll tell him to come in please yeah all right 6p 11801 Northeast 11th Avenue um to re roof please back in micophone um if you can go up there if we have any questions
you asking uh it was approved three z um just real quick as because there's like a 100 pages of of notes Here what is the new material what's the old material what's the new material power the to and what's the color of the tower
Ro is there is there a picture of it just it's 93 pages of documents here we are at uh 6p I'm just looking for something that tells that says the color
basically or a picture of the color split slate David Ed all say hi hi okay you're goodone thank you six so sixs is 12022 griffing
Boulevard driveway six be show up in six be car sister the homeowner question okay let's just take a look real quick sixs 6s David 6s
yes all about sucess all right you're at 22% 78 pervious okay that's your total lot coverage actually so just brick pavers it's down the side um 88 feet 12 feet how far is it
from this this the property line over I expect property well you can't you have oh from the side no there I'm gonna say whatever is C because there's ex
gra okay because it's 30 in right yeah and minimum is 30 can't be closer than 30 inches and it just it's got be okay approve can you just do me do us favor because we're we're going to approve it
based on five or six feet we just need you to upload their drawing go through and Mark on there 5et you also need there's no driveway clearly under the% package and we also have a a
there's actually another form that has to be filled out that has the calculations for driveway yeah there a particular standard form the village has that has the calculation of you're you're allowed a maximum of 4% % of your front yard to be parking surf that 40%
of the sale to be appro looking at it you're clearly going to meet that you have one of them but there's two there's two so name it's the C driveway calculation form show
something I asked never seen that for but I understand his head probably hurt so if you could us upload the the dimension from the property line over to the to the driveway again it can't be closer than 30 in um
and that form I think we would approve it if everyone's okay with that yeah okay did I have a first and second I'm sorry no driveway cations and side okay all right all in favor say I I
motion are you still the um because we there were plans approved on this house for like big big was that you or the previous s that was pric okay it cost more than double yeah okay I just I was wondering about that because I I remember like you had
this beautiful home yeah down for months we St in our old house for more than a year and we decided the price literally tripped on the okay yeah wow beautiful home though
yeah maybe one day we'll build it thank you all right so we had we do have 6B that walked in 640 Northeast 121st Street probably the day that we've all been dreading I have to
say I have a feeling this is bad news um 6 B right all right so no there was no hope for saving it for anything else or all right we're saying some of the
to make something thing yeah this have arches a little more not more looking so yeah would so we have a demolition
permit um it's uh yeah um but there is a um building permit already in place for the new structure I believe correct it's already been approved all that stuff so now do you have the fence permit yet I
so yeah okay huh you need me to approve no I'm I I there's we can't oppose it I mean it's just a sad sad day for bis Park that one of our 100y old houses is gonna come down so can I get a motion then I can give you a hug no it's
fine all right so then do I need to say the rest no I mean no we have a motion we have a second is there opposition is there all in favor anybody oppose I what
oppose it's on motion Carri 4 Z sad day all right Carlos thank you very much thank you no he has Aluminum Company about the on I didn't hear wood everybody right I don't want to do
it I understand my but it is what it is I tried everything we tried everything I bet you that I mean where my Farmer is up in Virginia you sell that work for a lot of Mone like when they take down what I heard is like two different finds
one is like very expensive the other one is not all and this one is the cheap one I we tried everything and not for the money but it was more like more of like you know we did something with it that's just throwing into a garbage but uh
we're going to get some wood some of the W good one that it's inside we're going to do some some seedings or some Pur outside incorporate some of that wood so should you should one piece over's we want to see it when it comes
down we're going to make a video um there was a bunch of stuff from this L inside that I'm going to use I saved it and I'm going to use to do some art for the inside once you take it all out the get it tax deduction by working at the fire department let burn it and then put
out okay that's that's yeah yeah you can you get like a 10 or $15,000 tax deduction like pull out if you want to pull out say hey you guys burn is that for real we're in the
middle of a drought the fire department would be standing there when the fire department starts a fire it's not like oh I decided to light it this morning like yeah yeah they it up huh they let it up yeah like they'll show it and then sometimes they have
like little kids classes like fourth graders like watch like but miam awesome my job was find P it's not bisc Park approved sanport deduction
for all right guys have a good one thank you car all right um we have the the discussion item it was 7c um it was it was they it was submitted prior to the cut off but it didn't make it to the agenda uh it is ad just a discussion item so we're not voting on anything
it's 519 Northeast 118 Street um do you have a plan or something that you wanted to show us so you're you're doing a new you're you're looking to buy this property or you have bought property yes correct no yet so my my purch contract is currently conent of on getting
approved uh from the board to actually build a new house that I'm planning to do um the the challenges a nonconforming law it's in section eight and it's only 6,000 so the neighborhood behind it is kind of the the same model house I'm
trying to mirror so I did the plan for you guys unun so and just to be clear your discussion item we're not approving anything okay so so going back to your mortgage company whatever saying that they approved it that's not that's not happening we're just going to give you
our advice on what can be done and our opinion of the code so okay we're not we're not approving or saying yes get an approval on anything can feedback and also you're not the owner too so that would be I'm not doing it
yet yeah so what what will be the risk and let's say after this four meeting if I ended up buying the property is there any possibility that I introduce this this uh project being a new owner and getting rejected by any
reason no there's actually um re code that you can actually non and have houses buil all 107 that jump through GRS to keep 50% and as soon as that happened they
got approval chod they didn't have to do all that just could you the house is basically falling apart they have to be demoed as soon as possible there are like living species running around inside the property the vegetation is
totally out of control the owners yes um the own stting very badly spread they need to know out the only option is not you know we do investment we do pix and flip a lot of pix and clip that
property pretty bad L that's up for the zone that it's in it's existing yes it's existing you're not changing it you're not you're not adding you're not creating so so our code does allow to people to rebuild or build on properties that are not that do not
match the zones that they're in okay but you have to M meet all the other requirements setback lot coverage so you have a 6,000 wor of lot that means you only have 3,000 ft total yes the build that's talking the driveway walkway pool
house itself everything yes that is that 50 60 60 by 100 no but saying the front set back because on griffing there's a 50 foot front set back right I don't know where
the oh he is actually one of the small little three pieces of L the B se you are in a so you do have a 50 foot setb right here yeah so right it's that one right there
one so you are 50 foot G from no from the street the FR Street your front set back but but that's why this house is so far back that's Wonder yeah it's
4 yeah new 30 he try and apply for VAR obviously then you're taking a substantially more risk but he could he try and apply for variance to be at the because literally one house to the right is now 30 right
well of course can the corner that faces griffing yeah correct and then there this house here is actually according to that chart these three lots are all this so they would isue they had to
reu so so right now I'm giving you you have 15 you know 10 10 10 so that's youd have to set this house way in the back well it's just not possible right now yeah it is but pretty small when I said no when I heard 60 by
whatever I was like 10 is 60 so but it's 6 so that's your first obstacle is building a house in the back you know with a nice big driveway um and that yeah that house could only
be 40 by 40 on the first floor 800 like yeah so how long is the process of for the Varian is that with a Bo is that a different you have to submit a real application per number attached to it
come to this it comp once you get denied by this the same night you then for variance by this this would then make a recommendation the okay then after thats
then you get a special the commission Happ depends on how they schedule the variance and that's not our board that's actually the commission that so right now like what do you have here as your front set 30 so you actually did
30 so so I think you know obviously you have a really good this would be a case of a hardship that Mak strict use of the property would wouldve yeah knowing it's not my money I would say you have a good shot at getting Improvement for a 30 flid espe the house
on one side is already at 30 FL what is it step so that you know too your driveway is probably that stage is taking minimum 500 fet out of the
3,000 yeah 2500 minus you have 2500 after that -600 of what you could build it leaves you with with 900 I mean it's the house that's on it it all over the place I mean if I would
be able to save it I will I saved hundreds of houses with a lot of problems but this one in particular B no I'm just wondering since the house is existing and press just do a quick flip on it fix it up lipstick on it
clean up the yard so what would be let's say up to the sellers and say this is situation like I don't think nobody will be will come here and pay you know haveon dollar for a house that's basically you know have tear down and not capable of selling a property
for you know a weable price what what would be my first step I have to be the owner to apply for a you know what I was going to say is one that's what I was going to say is I just talk to about financially pay
because it's 250 bucks to do the various process it's 50 bucks to apply for per say so you basically say hey I'll come out of pocket andbody else usend likey yeah by the way this I'm now
locking you up but that would be the way that that you could do it and have a degree of safety on your part for whatever reason VAR wasn't approved okay and you said that the BR could be like one month six
month or it depends on how they schedule the variance re because we have a variance that's that's been sitting since last summer they they're just now getting around scheduling it because the commissioner agenda has been yeah so busy that's unusual that's very usually
special manager finding time yeah let's just give you a little more feedback app just so you know so if you were to come in and you said let's say you had a variance for the 30 foot front we would look at it and we' go okay like
this we would look at the lot coverage and say you're still under 3,000 like this footprint here this driveway you're still under required and provided yeah's photo 27 so you're actually over YouRock
coverage here this no this is the total square feet the total construction two story building the uh everything touches the ground garage cover Terrace cover entry living area so to of that think it's
like 1800 so then again you could go over 3,000 so that would be another Vari that push BL kind of then you end up having then we go to the second story so we have a 10 foot side
setback foot 10 but when you come up to the Second Story you you can only have a maximum of 30 ft run and then it has to be set back additional going be straight
up really so like try to stop massive wall your neighbor so you have you have a 30 foot and a 30 foot not set back foar feet ohar
feet 10 at 10t so so at this part back here you have to shift it by then then above 30 plus got it I'm do okay and you do you
want right can be you go 10et you set back 10 want to see like straight ulation movement so right now you don't have Dimensions but if that's 11 that's probably 30 around
here might 18 so the next thing would be um we windows in the back two3 of the property and and and balconies need be designed in a way to obscure view into your neighbors backyard okay so these windows would
have to be like a high clear stories this would have to maybe have like a Tris or something or a wall blocking the direct went to the neighbor these windows in in the rear two3 okay so
like would be the entire house okay so for example this this window is not a problem on the bathroom but this one on the the the master bedroom could be like I fire window instead stand clear
stories some frosted [Music] all right make this a clear story yeah I that's that's I don't think that's a big deal the big deal is I never thought that that 50p s
willly yeah two houses to the right and you're at but that and one more to the right this is this okay 2 it's not any useful than the time
takes for me to say it but personally I like taking what was there CH to get nicer more attractive and all thate of stuff but it's if I was borrowing money from a bank to do that right that
a length of time that you're waiting to go through all the process get per and all that stuff like that not a risk that I would want to take without the VAR and this is what we're talking about like so this excessive blank
wall like we need some ulation we need something to make interesting texture setback things like that so this is what we're trying to avoid also from facing the neighbor like too much architecturally we allow roof
overs so um so is there any way like the owners are basically on the agent are waiting for me to uh give back to them on on on this position or whatever make feedback so like this is kind a legal
situation with me right now they contract so I got to prove somehow that they're over all this is all this is recorded you can tell them hey go back and watch this they I but the other thing too that I would say is that yeah
I would and again not trying to give you too much Financial advice but I have the attorne to create a side degree then says hey yeah pending the application and blah blah blah blah all of this type of stuff then there's an obligation perform on my part an obligation to
perform on your part so that way they don't get a variance and be all right cool but just so you're clear with your client what you can do right now is like David said you can build a 40x40 first floor house point out not even because
that's your max 50 not you have less yeah septic system have to be like somewhere in the front with the p but that doesn't that setback not apply I'm talking about if you were to buy this right now Max
yeah unfortunately yeah yeah all right that it is come some kind of little story bual type of thing that um you know you don't have to
invest all the way through the you might not get the million dollars $3 million listing you might get a a return on your investment so it's this more a variance the front set back to make it
and we're not saying Griffin has 50 from this side not from that side you think oh actually this is the the original MC Park house isn't it it's the little Stone one with the Arches so this house is I think completely out of
compliance exactly is it's wasn't this like the original like the St Park sales Center or something like that this house this one on the corner it's pretty close to the street fact that on both sides of your lot there's they're not a
50 I think you yeah time another RIS it's when you said that you're waiting on mortgages and stuff like that that changes slightly we work with a lot of private private investors and it's
not only about the holding time of the money that's important it's more important is the outcome the end product that we be capable of providing to the city and get get a money back Pon for beat a couple times like the back wall is
like thank you sir all right thank you you feel like a shopping center good night all right we have minutes from U March 10th 2025 first review problem was excused complete so sure we have for 6C you have that
down table C and I'm just trying to remember I thought that at this point basically we're approving or denying everything and not tbling anything because of that St law change yeah but for some reason
we did table it because my note says 4 Z table I just Des yeah we're yeah we're not part of the building application anymore we're we're ahead of that so okay no I just wanted to make sure that what gets finalized in here isn't GNA be problem
for so motion to approve minut second hold on let me just just so request playing L did not recommend the
124 okay okay I had a motion from David sorry who is the second Ed say I I motion okay thank you I have corrected minutes I didn't add it to the agenda because we
had to just am I just signing this so that's corrected because of um agenda item six if you want to change the motion from approved 40 to approve approv 30 due to David's recusal oh
so we oh okay so we just updated but have we already approved these minutes and what day did we approve these were that the last meeting the 10th yeah so this was [Music] 31025 okay so that was already it's
already been approved all right next would be 5A 760 Northeast 117 Street metal and flat rro this is the one we just talk it's there and we already the motion it's there okay
David all favy hi carries all right next seven sixc 744 Northeast 13 Street sheathing okay interesting one you approved this but it was as a discussion item of the
last meeting guy the the roof right over here a new roof but I think you guys can see the pictures now what they did and what it needed to be done so this is the official can we get
a motion David all in favor to say hi Oh yeah motion carries all right 6D 821 Northeast 109th Street addition don't
see oh wow this is a little bit more than an addition okay proposed site plan 109 Street and 8th Avenue 8th Avenue in 109 huh way at the bottom of the triangle 109
wasn't it say 20 oh goodness 29 296 which like is 296 so they're not changing that
front wall well they're moving it back round says 30 foot front setback but then the survey says 29 foot6 so I'm still looking at that first sheet but they're not if you look at the
next page which is A2 they're not touching the front wall yeah so I'm saying think it's 296 really but it's existing wall so the rest of it is set back another whatever that is another 5 foot
two so it's the new part is 34 feet back okay they AR they AR pushing it any deeper into the house or into the the rear setback is what it says on9 so the new one is still at 14 they
drawn a dash so you can see the front they're outside of it but it's existing so that not it's a 30 foot set back gauge it's actually like a big rectangular dash line that's showing you all the setback volume
bope and then what is the rest of it the overhang they're they're showing the overhang what is the red is that demo yes so what is the storage thing that's on the other side is this is that on the original survey it's not even on it says existing site
plan it's not shown whatever that red box is that's but it makes me worry that there's it's not that's proposed it say demo Dem that's the current survey the second
drawing is proposed I know but if you look at this drawing here existing site plan proposed site plan there's no red there's no box there it's in the lower drawings to the different
Rend so A-1 is not correct when it says existing because when you look at a Das two it shows some red box A1 and you go to where that thing is it's drawn like the outline they probably should have like fixed the
hatch on the concrete but it's drawn you see a little box outline of it just that the concrete hatch of the driveways in the Bo right hand of the ex I don't see it on I see setback is
that this right oh this here exactly I'm saying this no that's the new or that's existing this is the existing existing Cy plan see it better and then you go over here looking
at was this thing yeah but seems to be pretty clear to taking it out I know but it just makes me nervous when their surveys don't line up okay so are we comfortable with the
survey the way that it's dotted lines and all that okay so they're not changing the back setback or the front set back they demonstrate a higher knowledge of what their setbacks are the V before come to um have we looked at what the new lot coverage is going to be on this as
opposed to the existing total well I think they're missing things like driveway a house nor [Music]
but then they do it so they're over because they got the house and the driveway is 2873 it's at 5450 59% average 59 well they if you see that that top driveway
they're saying that they're demoing it but I don't know if they properly subract in the first Bas is this asphalt driveway to demo then it doesn't exist but then it says well yeah it's weird because
they're saying their driveways I would say mo motion to deny ping correct uh correct lot coverage at 50% yeah it's weird because they're showing you the driveway number
increasing between existing CLS right driveway and walkway goes up then what is the cloud all the way around the property is that a fence or something no I'm saying just showing that on the existing site plan so on the
proposed site plan yeah are they is it but they're not a fence in there is there it says 4 foot chain link fence right there yeah we know it's still there moot yeah but we should also note the
fact that the chain link fence has to come down because we're you know we we have to cover these things because we get snapped in the butt sometimes and the fact is that this proposed driveway is right up to the property line and that has to be a minimum of 30 inches back so that's another comment
the fence you're saying the material have that in front side front you cannot have chain link fences facing a a front right away isck C issue issue any other issues and we're you always can tell
that somebody doesn't know the park because they address us as Miami Florida 33161 and not biscane park they no idea where we're at um but that's here they there he
said so I have a motion to deny second David Ed all say I I okay so motion to deny is approved and that is what number was that 6D 6D right okay next six e 835 Northeast
under 15 Street flat and tile and flat R rout back me 900 flat profile self polygrass Max see color anywhere e it does oh n sax 100 slate and Saxony split slate description Saxony
900 is that a color or is that just a style Saxon page page 12 really a style 900 slate it comes back as a what color well there's dark charcoal
blend Le Ash frankly all three of them okay you want to make that motion that moot to approve okay they just have to provide the color for the record uh David Ed all in favor to say I I motion
carries 6f 101 Northeast on 18th Street impact and doors sure I mean you think like on that where you put the schedule that there there should be something like color we need to
adjust be really but isn't there a isn't there when you when you do the Mii Dade the the plan that has the the roof the plan on it the you know the the view from above whatever um but that's not a that's not our form that's a Miami day
form right there's no color on the window schedule now we're talking about the the roof tile the one before that's Quon no sorry it's 65 but I see you're saying has
a form itself conru just put emblem on it they all sa that's we don't really have [Music] somewh so if you look I'm very good point I wish we could somehow add that
to it add a color selection yes a color selection for the roof on the roof permit application there's a in the cap system if there something that be done all right so the new windows are black and they're across the front and they look like they're all the same these kind of
grided grid mutton kind of [Music] thing Ed and Scarlet on say I I lotion carries okay 6G one01 7 Northeast 11 15 Street uh roof another
roof good time to do it except for yesterday this a metal roof aluminum roof free standing aluminum roof there doesn't oh they're doing like for like a
structure it's not a house Ro I guess they thought they had to use that insert but it's not a oh it's like a flat it's a flat roof that our first our first ever somebody that for the score is now limited to
one yeah it's a aluminum F structure with so um do we have do we have a we have a permit for this structure or is this what are we doing here because it's a there's a there's a setback issue on the
left hand side if you look at the site planine N9 feet you see see 10 304 I'm looking at she six I'm looking at sheet number three 11 number 11 go six of
18 six of 18 yeah got set because I'm looking at page number 11 sorry 30 by 12 but at a 9 foot setback they need to shift this thing over got the exact shot
[Music] the same date what's odd is that set back on the opposite side when it's OT it's 33 it's it's yeah it actually increased I saw that okay deny based on 10 foot side
setback yeah I clarify and clarify clarify dimenstion so that was a motion by Scarlett David red um all in favor say to deny say I motion is
approved all right next 6h 130 northeaster 21st Street concrete driveway lot calculations 2.9 okay it doesn't go out to the street that's one thing I just
saw it say new approach I don't know if they're doing it approach just concrete not like in the look I mean it looks like they just took the the the test survey and just like plopped it down and didn't do
anything but new approach yeah but questional just solid concrete up to the property line that's as something tells me they didn't design out to the street because even the walkway goes and stops at the property
line the new conquer the walkway so if you but even if you look at that let's let's look at what they've WR they've drawn here on the property is that really the the lot calculations do you think that's 27% hold on 20
31% that's a lot of concrete with the walkway up to the front and everything plus I mean David you're the num guy doing math things they're also the driveway retaining ball new SI 8 in
retaining is this the new construction or is this 10:30 Northeast under 21st Street I thought that was already done that's the old is this after the fact by any chance 10:30 Northeast 21st Street
actual coverage is 792 they said this is yeah we I think this house is already done I think this driveway is already done isn't this um commissioner what's his name Sam's old
house well in November 22 it was actively under construction I think this is done so my thing is a I'm I'm questioning the lot calculations and in B I'm questioning um it coming all the way out
to the street they're at 792 uh I mean the right taining wall is eight inches and it sounds like as long as they're going up to the garage I guess I'm sorry David 18 is 18 I mean it's 1 fo8 20
in very long because I'm showing a hold on this drawing here says A-1 says new 8 in retaining walls csection oh that's the width next page
SE 10 foot that where the garage is at 9.41 why we gotta be diligent on these but this is already they're they're fine for
coverage under 40 but doesn't match the numbers they proved so I'm at 792 they were at 78 PR close the and they're so they're at 35% without me adding on whatever
this space would be considered as I just did straight line the front of theage problem it's ridiculous problem is that they they're very close on one side like to just burn
off to it right and just landscape up to they're kind of tall close to going property L SO pitching all water neighbor but I think they can mitigate that landscap it somehow get portion of it yeah well it looks like they have all
sorts of bushes running on both sides so well well first of all it's doesn't go out to the street so do we want to just deny it because of that and also the question the the the wall the 18 what is like that wall doing is it 20 in tall all the way in the driveway
sloping down is the wall pitch with it like no side elevation that that slowly got taller scraping of RDS scraping the brids like like slowly to just exposes yeah yeah it's not clear
from drawing so does it start at the property line or does it start at the street you know it's ramping up so and and that walk that crosses from the
driveway to the walk little how does that get there and there they're showing it FL but then just I don't know noreast Southwest but from there closer to the house big drop so is that walk W like also so I got to ask you is this does
this driveway look familiar and think about the houses on eth Avenue that we both had problems with it just like it was kind of plopped down the same driveway boom boom boom like the same Engineers just kind of hired to come up with these standard
drawings it seems I mean this isn't the same guy that didn't have the approach multiple times that was a different it wasn't the same no remember I thought for a second looking at this that this is the house that's on
eight that's on that side of the street that's the next close to 11 that's part of the driveway because they built it up part of the driveway yeah make a motion to table for
additional information on profile and the approach the approach in the walk the do we want that sidewalk just ending at the property line like that that I care people lots of walkways stop at
the property line weird clarify the approach material and I have a motion to table second okay David y all say I I 6 I10 n01 griffing Boulevard fence and
gate please tell me not nor F fence want to change the code this is one of those dual front properties do we know if this is existing because this is one of those properties that say like U it faces two
streaks so the letter of our code says the rear side front so but it's not really side front because it's in the rear so but it's not an alley because it's 8th Avenue so it's and then there's only one
street that has a a back that Paces up to that's 12th a over behind the The Andersons that's an actual streeten but that's called out specifically in our code as a exception this one doesn't have an
exception but it's clearly the rear of their house you're trying to figure out that should considered another front it's it's technically the the definition of a front is when it faces a street so
there's a there's a Street between the setback and that and the thing so that backyard technically has a 30 foot setback for a structure but when it comes to a fence the fence can't the code says the fence can't be in the
front but the front of this house faces Griffin so that's technically not the front so the fence is allowed but then the setbacks the setback is only how far from the street I'm just talking it through you know you can have a fence up to the
property up to three feet of the property but it's also not I think it's and how tall is it 6 feet probably is one of those already existing on that property because I
believe all the ones down there have I had a motion that moove sorry back what happening repat curving in a little bit yeah they're coming in 31 stopping something
there uh so I think that there's very big tree and then I think there's also like uh power lines that are like on that little front edge corner where it get into theer the other side where wter and then it goes 31 ft
in oh it's cuz that's where the next property over ends where they have different that 10 that's the way okay 14 like you can see like little dashes
of on yeah Ian it says PS Sur I guess they just coming in the six that doesn't happen during the commission meetings I don't why this
happened during meetings yeah so I had a motion D you still do you approved it no wa for a second still is there an issue that you guys want to talk about that that stop us from moving forward with a second what's
the question 31 where are you talking about 31 ft about the top on the top that little jog that little flat area and then it goes on an angle yes 26t [Music]
right probably it's probably somebody's on griffing's backyard they're tying into the fence or something back welding Workshop in the back of it like the Giant
I have a i second from David or Ed say I I okay motion carries was David Ed okay next 6m 11460 Northeast 10th Avenue driveway this six six4
Northeast what is that single con concrete curve is an attached picture what does that mean they're just doing like an edge that so there's a border in between their property and the
road and they're doing grav but that's like a p so that's like the curve that's for a gravel driveway that's yeah then they highlight gravel but then there's no ual outlines we any problem so motion but what is the curb
what does that mean like is it great Edge like if you look at that very bottom picture that they took of somebody else's house it's like an 8 in Edge that then had gravel on the other side oh because but they these guys they
they they have to create the border around the gravel and to us where so motion toy it anding what is it for the put around gravel yeah but what where's the gravel and this is there is no grael that's why but there's not even a driveway there's
they're not they're just putting in a curb and there's denying it because if they're going to be doing this and I need to be indicated to us where the gravel is supposed to go on the other side of that curve but even if they were it wouldn't be allowed to have the entire
thing yeah there's a lot that's where yeah and the the calculations are wonky says 100% just don't I don't know I don't actually know
I think this house has gravel in the front and maybe they're they got sighted or something at some maybe and they and they're trying to come into compliance with a border around the gravel or something because I do believe that there is some type of really dilapitated
gravel application the last page application photo yeah but that's that's the neighbor down the street that's not even the same the house that we're talking about the last page is a picture of a
hedge this street for that's the median that's the med that's the med that's the median they're trying to say that we want to do the exact same thing as the
neighbor down the street also FYI they don't have any dve right now so like we need yeah so deny with a clear indication of where they're going to be installing gravel and they need to
indicate where they're putting the quar around the gravel if that's what they're planning on doing because does it even say gravel does it even say they're applying for gravel sorry man I border but you're you're you're assuming that they're asking for gravel because they didn't
even say that okay so David descrition the work just says install new border concrete the edge of property Road that's it there's nothing about a driveway there's nothing it just says what are you we're trying to like what are you doing that's why I it the
way yeah so that I would have to then be like wait a second we don't actually want to put gravel down we just want to put a curve like f okay I have a motion to deny I think David or Ed seconded it all in favor say
I I okay motion to deny is approved 6 oh one 1701 Northeast 9th Avenue metal rout the chaps design okay 6 color TBC okay it's a one and a half by 12 slope
so is this a flat roof if you look at the floring building code thing there's nothing in the C attached plans okay where's that at oh
12 1 to 12 huh 11701 North East 9th Avenue 1170 Construction like they kept part of a house yeah building it's got like an
l-shape with aard little Cabana building it's been kind of like dormant for a while it stopped for a while it got really quiet over there I go by there every day every morning but this the one there there's like there's a pool all single slope grps like this around
it but but most we don't have color need to get into the rest because they said that they going TBC this is the by way that they wanted they did like a little reading Nook
window thing and they projected in the set back but didn't touch the ground away yeah I know which one it is and yeah but I'm just the the the the the pitch concerned me yeah I mean I don't know
how metal roofs on a pitch so denied based on color and Pitch we're questioning the pitch because technically our Cod our C our code says under a certain level pitch you're not allowed to have a metal
r one to 12 no so is 12 is considered a low SL so two or high roofs with a with a roof with a pitch less than two and one half inches per foot will be prohibited two and a half will be
prohibited you're not allowed less than two and a half motion tonight okay David Ed all in favor say I I okay motions and I approved at 1 to 12 are you allowed that do like the same black
material metal it' be a low slope and then it kicks into low slope materials and things like that I mean technically you could put a tile roof on a flat roof house if you want it would most efficient thing in the world
but um 6q 119 08 Northeast Fifth Avenue Edition another one of these editions okay 6 Q big addition okay so site plan existing front of the house
is there it's being maintained they're ping back from the front and what is the setback in the rear okay let's see what the next they're putting a box in the back PR rear elevation not really the most original
thing I've ever seen in my life you look at a-201 have the setbacks in a chart on the dra 10 on the right side how tall is that roof 12 foot
hait I mean is there is there is it cheaper to do it this way or is it I mean was it really be that offthe wall to put a at least some kind of form of gabled or something kind of pitched roof to make the the
rear attached to the make sense to the front are deeper to buy some trusses and stick a truss on there something well so I mean it's the same height as the
front the peak of the front of the house they are building the whole thing out further to the left because now like if you look at the proposed front elevation it just looks like it has a growth for
sure clear going on the left side yeah I know but like look if when you look at if you look at page uh yes n page nine if you look at the proposed front elevation you just look at like the growth off the left oh
you're saying like the whole flat root thing yeah it's like a it's literally like a yeah and they eliminated the there's the the front the front Gable just kind of floats out there in the middle of nothing there's
no what are they doing ter but aside from whether it's Pleasant or not like I don't this having a hard time understanding what's happening in 3D they're putting a bathroom on the end
and then just having a flat kind of may be one thing if they took the front and maybe made made the front have a little bit of a parit or something over the front door you know something the coming down front end of the G roof is where that flat wall
is oh and and it's a big wall there to the left of that front on that proposed front elevation this blank big wall that just it's it's going to be taller than the the Gable's coming down the ru is here and then right next
to it the tall wall that's going on to the I don't like it there's also issue with setbacks right because they they don't use North and South they use left and right and they say left is existing to remain but use left and right as when you're looking at the house the left is
the side they're actually growing the right is the one that they're not but they're growing it in the back so if it was only an 8 foot setback they're just kind of continuing that existing wall be allow to so can clarify so most of the table depend clarification of
setbacks and um are we allowed to say that the front needs to have a higher degree of Harmony yeah have a harmonious inclusion of the the addition yeah
cancer I mean they've already applied they got a application number I mean it's and if they come back with a with a roof line that looks fine and with a 10t dimension on the on the the left side that I'm
on the on the next one but they they need to fix that the front at least the front roof line if the front roof line extends all the way so then you don't have like a weird that flat pait roof popping up higher is that these are kind
lot of details so so let's let's invite them in to to discuss the design that's yeah that it's not harmonious and that there the site the the the dimension lines are not clear so I have motion to deny from from
David then Ed okay all in favor say I I well we denied a lot tonight SC next 6r 1190 11990 Northeast 7th Avenue pool okay lot coverage
34% up front yard all okay they want to do it 16 foot1 from the front setback it's a corner lot 7th Avenue and 120th Street so sth Avenue 7th Avenue and 120th 7th and
100 is this the lady this is the house that the lady member came in and wanted to do a big addition and we kind of there were all kinds of problems and now they want to do the pool there is this the same house no I don't
know 120 and seven anyway so the issue is here is that it it's actually in the front yard because the front door faces sth Avenue so that's problem number one problem number two yeah that's the problem right
there um can anybody see what the setback is from the front of that house to the property line total there's the accessory structures which a pool is a pool has to follow the the same setbacks as a primary structure
which means it's a 30 foot front setback right now they're asking for to be at 16 fo1 so they're halfway into the front setback so that's the denial right there but the house was set further far enough back and you got creative you could kind
of conceivably squeeze it in there but then you have to fence it so then you'd have to go through a variance application to put a fence in the front of the house so so it's a whole bunch of it's I kind
angle like they Dimension the palm trees or something okay add David on favorite say I I another T so it's in the it's in the setback front setback you have a 30 foot front setback and it's in the front success
all right um we have some discussion items so 6617 661 Northeast 120 Street are they here so we don't discuss it next 7B 729 Northeast under 17 Street new construction three third preliminary
review is this the one that contacted no is this the subdivision guy Lopez no also don't see Daniel Lopez though that's not I don't see 7A this is the house that they put they're putting that new house in the
front so the plans are here I mean we could look at it there's like a discussion so he basically like put our notes and then who is how we address our comments okay response please see
updated floor plan floor second floor walls at sides cannot exceed more than 30 feet okay so let's take a look at that 30 foot minimum maximum wall so he did do that on one side and 30 foot maximum wall on the other side okay so he addressed that issue
um provide tree disposition and Landscape response cldd one L1 L okay so yes so all of those are there so that's the the page starting a page3 okay all so we move this to vote
for the next meeting or can we move it and vot on it now yeah and hold on what is the rain oh where's the front elevation okay so he's got one roof line higher than the
other roof and then what about the windows did did we talk about think he was okay because the windows were forward or something like that on the property he didn't address it I mean he still has a master Terrace
but is there that's a wall there it is raining mhm green wall he's providing this screen wall on the one side that front yard the driveway looks like it might be a little bit over 30% or 40% you look at
[Music] um I mean if you look at the tree survey I guess that's the maybe not are you making a motion to move it to 6t David yes okay so we're g to move agenda item
6 7B to the agenda 6 T to approve I think I need a motion to to move it so all in favor say I I okay so we moved it up um 40 move to 6t and then I can I get a motion
on 6t David Ed say I I Mission carries rules follow were you're supposed to follow Robert rules so we would so we would Drew we is 7A even in the drop box no
there's nothing in 78 no show okay so our next meeting is going to be next week next Monday every already good on that Ed are you driving home from somewhere you guys are
okay can I get a motion to adjourn please okay all in favor say I I we're adjourned at 8:29 right he his stop me happy to give you ride