##VIDEO ID:hYRWIO9l5MA## e yes I do no e yeah we I mean a ton of people come through a good deal people Bo and the his KS all go to Miami the okay uh Gage is not here tonight so I will do my best to run things in his absence um tonight is the uh February 3rd planning and design review board meeting uh guess call the order first uh Scarlet Hammond David gruin Pablo OT and then Edward Lea I'm present motion to excuse H motion a second all in favor I so Gage is excused he is traveling so we're going to go in the order of the agenda but we'll jump to the ones who are actually present so we'll skip items that if no one is here for that item so I believe the first item someone is here for is 5D 11948 Northeast 9th Avenue garage renovation I believe it's your project you were here last time correct yeah so again that's old business 5D I think the comments that we had for you last time pertain to what the intended use was of this garage renovation right so last time you didn't really have it labeled at all looked a lot like an accessory dwelling unit which is not permitted in the village so we asked you to speak with the owner confirm their intent clearly label the plans which I now see say Jim and office right yeah so I talked to the client they fully understand any repercussions of not using it as a dwelling unit I specific I specifically put notes uh stating that it is uh just going to be the gym in the office and I clarified any issues that we talked about last time on the plans right yeah as long as the owner I wish the owner was here so we could make sure they're aware but you know again there are penalties and fines if you know they're air beam being it or trying to use it as some rental unit Etc right explain that to them I don't know permitted to have a gym in an office in an accessory unit so okay see they're going to someone sleeping there right now they're on their way all do you guys have any other comments or questions motion to approve second all in favor hi hi one thing that may come up after us that we're not concerned about but when you go to the billing department they're going to since you're turning that into usable living area going to have to be at flood elevation I don't know what the garage is because typically it's not so just FYI might be a comment you get from the building department at the next when they start reviewing the plan okay so for me right now it's going to kind of get pushed towards yeah the approval you know on here it'll get now moved on to the building department they'll start their actual you know electrical building Mechanical plumbing review ETA okay all right thank you y a good evening um Pablo could you please turn your mic on you can't hear you okay uh the next item that someone is here for is new business 6D 108 oh 6C showed up got it okay so 6C sorry 6C 947 Northeast 117 Street driveway application you mind going to the podium just in case there are questions and you can answer them up there always download these yeah the 6j and 6j one it's the 6j one give us a moment to do the application okay so you're basically keeping the driveway more or less in the current location just widening it yes I went to you know or two cars not just you're doing like kind of damped rectangular pattern what what's going in between the concrete sections um I think it's going to be um artificial turf artificial grass grass I and you've got your driveway calculations as 28% for the driveway and 27% for the sale which without doing the math looks about right yeah I resident driveway calculator right and don't I don't see a setback from the property line but you know it looks at least 10 feet based on the kind of staying the the side of the driveway that's closest to the property line is remaining and your grer 10et so you're gonna have a 10 foot setep back to the side of yeah yeah Mo motion to approve it's replacing a skinnier old one it doesn't no it's 28 and 26 and it motion is there second second second all in favor I all right you're approved thank you set yeah thank you that was yeah it's straightforward application thank you all right so now 60184 Griffin Boulevard mem construction fence yes hi everyone um so I'm representing the owner and the contractor for the new construction is an additional remodeling to 10840 Griffin Boulevard and the permits for the temporary fence to uh isolate all the construction area from their living area since they're going to be leaving in the house so we want to try to protect them from all the construction there's already a disting master permit for this renovation there already an approved permit for 2323 it's approved we already have the uh dumpster permitting we already started basically okay and so you've got basically a fence running sort of down the middle of the property at the at the street project the project is to demolish the existing uh garage yeah and build a new garage structure with um kind of a outdoor kitchen and outside area on the right of the property so on the right side so we want to isolate the whole right side so what's happening on the property line on that side because you don't you're not showing a new you're not showing there's an existing fence there's an existing chaining fence all the way so and and then from the from the house parall to house to the end there's a c six feet high CVS wall so it's going to be completely protecting the neighbor it's not going to you know bother the neighbor at all motion to approve second see there they were all in favor what I was looking for right okay we all set thank you okay thank you so much yep all right uh so I believe the next item that we have an owner present is 6h 11320 Northeast 11th place for concrete driveway and walkway here's a second to application is there any existing driveway I don't see on the survey uh they had an existing driveway but that's not where we're doing it it's right now it's like where is the existing one that's was in front of the addition which was the garage so it's on the northeast 14 yeah side right now yeah doesn't nothing's shown on the survey the existing driveway so what what's happening with the existing driveway that's there now uh first of all it's covered with grass this proberbly been empty for a long time so we're gonna and then it's going to be like a a bedroom there so we don't want the driveway to start there so we studying at the other side of the the property to do the driveway yeah I mean even in PR view I don't see a driveway I just see grass so so is the intent that old driveway that's on 114th you're not using it you're removing it you're you're Landscaping that area it doesn't yes yes because uh that was the entrance of the garage so it's no longer a garage now so yeah okay so you're adding one basically it says 37 by 20 but the distance to the road there is only 23.44% taking out to the it's going out to the street part of the sale portion of the approach and part of the driveway yeah so it's like 14 feet in the sale and then the 23 in the the yard but in any case it's fairly well under their 40% yeah yeah yeah yeah motion to what is the I didn't see what the actual design intended what's the material there's nothing described it just shows where you're going to put it just a solid slab yeah probably with a little cut yeah they Circle the middle of the five options it's just like solid slam it's just like a solid slam okay motion to approve second second all in favor and you're the next one as well sixi for paint yeah 6i again 11320 Northeast 11th place for exterior paint o milk color is off white off what's the black going to be used for what happened the Sherman Williams Tri corn black it says doors awnings and stripe where where is that for the door or okay black paint black paint yeah your paint application it has a white paint yes for the whole building milk for the walls and the trim and then it has a black paint as well that says in the section that says door awnings and stripe color so is it for the door I guess maybe the door because we don't have an awning you don't have awning so it's just a black because the windows they just put in are all white right so motion to approve second in favor all set thank you okay so now I just go get the permit uh for the paint permit probably tomorrow you can go and pull that because that's pretty Building look at that or it's automatic yeah yeah so it might take one day for the paint the driveway will go through a a different review process probably also a very short one so that might take a couple of days okay from here it goes to the building department they look at other things okay thank you all right okay uh next item would be 6K 11807 Northeast 11th Place new construction second preliminary review hi good evening one you have any drawings for us to look at here or just what is online I submit everything online but I I print it out you have it well I guess this got moved last time yeah remember was there any comments we on it I think at one point I think there was one a table side that we were yeah there was one side that we were hoping that there was be some element yeah that's what happened you you were on the last agenda but then no and you were still still for a discussion and nobody showed up two weeks ago you were ask you were saying how long this is taking but yeah but yeah I'm just letting you know so it was on the agenda it came up but nobody was there was no one here for us to discuss so then it got tabled and pushed for another two weeks right but okay so prior to that though yeah so we wanted to verify lock coverage go Outdoor Equipment on site plan and then that break up that flat South elevation main comments right you have yeah so I mean this I'm not sure why we said what she are you looking at D looking at the the the maximum A- 0.1 so it has the proposed lot coverage at 386 this is I guess yeah this doesn't have a revision date oh no it does says it says 102524 for that but it doesn't have that's 55 by but it's roughly 55 by 55 and this driveway is 30 30 by oh yeah so I mean what's here is all good what I would guess is that the future pool is probably not included in that but they still have plenty of room yeah so yeah this part is a little tough but this plus this is short by about 300 feet so but that's two stories yeah I got stuck with that where the septic which is I think is on this third so yeah that you dropped this piece yeah what is this yeah the same all okay so it also steps back as well so this is further back than this yeah then and then the septic location oh yeah sorry okay perfect to me it looks good yeah we have to make sure is that's in the system right because we're reviewing that here but what what we have that we were sent from the building department is the old version yeah are you able to okay she's GNA just check quickly if that's in the system so that oh okay so you already know that's uploaded okay so that's good you want to keep it copy that just you can keep the rendering ones but thank you very much all right is there a motion so motion to approve second I say is there a second wasn't second asking if someone wanted to Second all in favor okay so now uh in a couple of days then basically it's going to you'll get U uh it it'll start going over to approval for the me's mechanical electric and all that stuff and then you'll start getting pluming or comments but I'm sure there will probably be an update in the cap system saying like hey it's starting to go to to these people and I'm not sure online you've uploaded those those pieces yet or if once it's approved then okay so then then yeah then the next step would be it'll say oh approved by planning and zoning and now it's off to the building department where each engineer looks at their respective trade and hopefully it's it's quick for you guys but yes but yeah you're you're good to go and I promise that done with us until you're coming back for pool permits or have you guys applied for like temporary fences any of that type of stuff yeah demo permit temp fence permit window driveway pool for the temp fence and the demo permit you don't really need to see us because we'll see oh it has an approved permit on it but definitely I would say probably for the pool one just just in case we have questions about Dimensions or whatever we can wrap it all up in one meeting but thank you okay uh 6L came in so we'll go there 11 1925 Griffin Boulevard uh revision to pb23 12 it's going just for the siding of the front side of yeah so it's basically you have accessory structure that's in the back that's a workshop or whatever and you added some cladding or siding on one elevation yep which you have a sample of here yes WPC material for you to see the color I mean motion to approve favor all right thank you guys all right uh 6m 12015 Northeast 7th Avenue garage door good evening everyone hi we're basically just replacing one door for the same door uh because we have had an accident and our neighbor crashed into our garage and it's basically replacement we're not changing anything G the photo that's here's white it's the same thing yeah motion to approve in favor say thank you thank you all righty uh we've got three discussion items I think they're all here so we'll start with 7 a 729 Northeast 117 Street new construction first preliminary review we'll talk about the drawing yeah we'll come up we'll come up here okay oh okay hello hello uh Wesley Castellanos uh Castellanos studio uh the application in front of you is a 7A for a new construction for a new house and demolish the house that's on the structure on the site set we wanted to see planning e they're not obligated to so I want to show you that the effort that we really tried it's not a historically designated and it's a nonconform there two units yeah so 1924 try to salvage it owners we push back he's like let's just demo apply for it you this is basically your request you got it so that's the idea we're going to demolish the structure over in the back which is you know he's letting it it's it's not really good and then to propose This Modern I know everybody you know their opinions the modern and the this is and the uh Mediterranean so again this is the facade General give you some ideas of the houses in the area again this is just in the area context again here's the color is what the house looks like fortunately it's down I will document it and when we submit it what I do for my you guys know they do demo these BS they make you documented in high detail so it's always been in a record even Miami short we're doing that for Miami shorts we're trying to get that for for for the details just an aerial view you can see it's a the site is not performing so again 30 foot setback can we go back to this I think it's where you have your basic like information so we don't care so much about maybe it's not here you have somewhere where you've got I guess here your lot size so 10,875 maximum lot coverage 5437 so right now you've got the ground floor structure 1822 the garage 476 from open porch item second floor really does affect lock coverage so what is your total do you have a total lock coverage somewhere lot coverage I do not with I don't have all that so the maximum would be 50 50% so for that though it's basically total improvements right so you need to update your chart give us what the driveway is what this lay parking area is the foot front of the house pool any pool deck okay a covered porch walkways if you're going to have you know four in place concrete walkways anything that's not Landscaping the building's only 26 77 based on this takeoff that I did for the perious impervious which would probably be something similar to a lock coverage com from about six to6 yeah and just unfortunately these forms need to be updated because we don't really go by that we just go by right it probably be similar but just when you update this just focus on lck cation not cious and fous we don't care so much about that okay not don't care but that's not the criteria um okay so you'll need to update your lock coverage information and then we can get back into the setbacks that you were starting to discuss you've got 30 in the front yes on the side on the side no I have no equipment I ned it but no no equipments on the side right um and we have substantial of year 30 30t in back little less consider a water line your pool butly it's more than 10 foot regardless so I'll measure that go there anything else to the ground floor on missing besides I'm crazy about the generator and stuff being I put this low wall here but can as a buffer wasn't clear you got a visible yes visible buffer I I kind of want to hide that so I'll show a little you say drain field you think you're saying as far as the septic is going to be I think the septic is gonna go here the engineering and where's the then The Field's gonna just go somewhere around here toward no no that's too far away so maybe the septic may gener may over here yeah it doesn't work that way like the septic has to be at the drain f again Planning and Zoning conern where you put your SE also I think that's a county thing they're probably gonna want it in the front yard setic I did my house I in the rear reason was was there was it a renovation though was it new construction yeah it was new construction and my my point being was uh the what happens is this is a four bedroom home you're going to have two kids and then going have boyfriend girlfriend six cars this and we're trying to change the ordinance even in Miami Shores that this is not going to be able to accommodate a house like this won't accommodate six cars in the front that's why we always Rec put the problem that's happening and again it's the County's purview but they are asking in some cases not all but put it in the front because they have Ambitions of one day running sewer Ms and then they want connect sewer but that depends on the street you're on again that's the county so you'll have to deal with that with them that's your drain Field's probably going to be five times the size that because the requirements now are really incredible um so I don't think we too concerned it's underground you got to figure it out accommodate with the rest of the design at some point but at some point to we need to see that tree survey not that it really matters for us but again we need to have it in the total package you need a landscape plan as well you want this is part of the landscape requirement yeah so what we ask is that you have like a tree disposition plan right so you've got a survey that shows us where all the trees are identifies the tree type size and if you're removing any um as far as going through the process of getting a permit for removal of mature species that would go through the county yes but so we've got Lo coverage generator screen position okay so the ground floor this is the footprint there a porch in the rear a trellis second floor again we step back a little bit in the front just give it some play and a facade so one thing and I know you've been here before so I don't know if how long ago it was but uh in the current you don't have it Dimension but I assume that's 10 foot right 10 foot from here 10 foot so in our code now on the second floor you can't have more than 30 linear feet at the minimum setb at the 10 foot set back don't need any of w total yes total so you right now got 20 plus something plus 74 plus 12 whatever that is right that's probably 50 feet or something right so 30 of that can be at 10 foot setback the remainder would have to be at 15ot setb you this part open you can do whatever you want 30 straight and the rest back it's up to you but cumulatively a total of 30t and that's going to apply over here which you have less because you got 319 then you step back here here it's a Terrace so it's not really a veral structure so that would be fine it's just you got to shave off of one foot n on this side bit more than that side thank you appreciate that see that so that's something then in the new code there's turn about any windows that are in the rear 2/3 of the proper so I don't know say from roughly here back the code asks you to diminish you into your favors or diminish The View into adjacent properties okay so any windows that are in that rear two3 here they usually want to be clear stor there's not really a way here doesn't matter this a double height so No One's Gonna Stand that's not practic concerned so right because this is double height yes so nobody can physically stand and look out those windows at the second level okay so that's not really a concern that's probably in the first third or very close to it and it's in your bathroom and I don't know if that's a full height window for you or if it's a small the first third is not allowed no first in the in the the rear two3 is where this diminished you into your neighbor is enforced basically if you aren looking into their backyard when they're playing with their kids on at their pool whatever I got it there so you don't really seem to have much but what you do have is a second floor Ro Terrace right so definitely we would ask that some sort of architectural screening element on this side or full height solid wall whatever to you from a design point of view but this would be something where you're definitely in the rear two3 and you're on a roof Terrace it and and I know you have another one on top so the same things fly there what is this at the end is that a perola this is a perola yes that's your big covered patio right yes right now you a pool the pool on right here right the first floor we the second floor got pool it's got this is I guess that's a porch so that's open and then that's also open so this is all open yeah this is just close from above he wants to par fter this is massive when you already have this covered porch but his bus yeah he wanted a long further but I mean we can of course we're where this is first we got three more to go we're here this space is not accounted for properly in the lock calculations when you make the lock this counts yeah it counts even though when you the when you add the pool and everything the driveway just looking at it at face value you're probably flirting with your 50% right now right when when you start saying basically all of this is counting yeah yeah plus the Pool Plus these walkway you know then like one of the first things people delete are all these side walkways CU they're like screw at they walk on got but okay that does the the thing too like we have somebody that's trying to literally put a little concrete block in for a generator right now but their contractor buil out like 49.9% so I'm trying to add the little generator putting them over the over the space you want to do all the M leave a little okay and furthermore without those papers on the side you could have arees come up with the next phase they're gonna ask to see that oh yeah the the building yeah not us not well we we do ask for it as well you know keep it in mind like the plan for it because if you have the papers on the side then you're not toble sales this is your Elation right yes want to see the side that window this is your rear elevation this that's foot on the top of the Flor got the same thing where he's going to have to screen and he's going to have to now whatever that screening element is going to have to if I can I take can I move that screen back soly with the you could but what we're saying is is the height by having blast up around the top yeah you have toess the because now those those Heights have to get taken into account in what the overall height of the structure is so looks like maybe that the entire structure including those guard rail so that's 266 yes that's yeah what's the height limitation 3088 from validation plus one right so probably most the vill is at B7 so probably I feel the next one we would like to see a floor plan of what that top deck looks like there would be just trying to clarify the right because I don't see Windows where's this you can't see it but it's it's above the walk it would be here over here these are your two windows that talking about right this is your thir but there's some in your floor plan right now there's a vertical window here just bed in your floor plan right correct correct Bas um sare store would be fine right that's diminishing the view this one might be a bit of an issue when it moves back to here and it's in that rear two3 so just Frost yeah let's just frosted it's another solution maybe you want to do in Fr of your tub anyways right okay so on the second floor we've got the setback issues where you're over the 30 feet we've got some diminishing view from that window and from this Terrace um those windows are fine that seems to be very close to the FR issue otherwise you're again your setbacks are already in the front and the rear I would say we would like to see all that yeah so again have the same issue here that you'd have to screen views to your neighbor right so you have to have some design element here that's you know he that at six feet and then you need to look at at that point you might have issues with your overall height relation to the render in the relation to the renderings you have glass like running the length of the whole top correct but so is this the only lounge or is the entire thing well is there a limitation can I use the whole roof as a lounge or is there a certain percentage well the thing is is then you're going to have to put this yeah ele the elements for all of all of basically almost these I would say argue if you're doing a third four thing basically all of side Goa and then there's there's going to be some current concerns about sort of architectural appearance at this thing at that point' got these big scening elements third things we're almost creating now an additional story that we don't permit right so it's one thing if a small terorist starts becoming all this all the elements you have to do to make that comply then you start getting okay um but let's sort of the height okay youve got 28 Max which right now youed to that glass rail right but that glass rail wouldn't really screen the elements right so if that becomes taller now you're exceeding your maximum 28 foot height so that's something we need to yeah so I got to double check that he really wants that Ro he wants to uh ceiling height yeah I'm sure I think probably you should think about the value of that second which I don't know how you get to is that from the master suite or from a common master I mean it's not like no offense but you're just looking at single family home roofs right you're not looking at the ocean or well place of sunset is actually a nice been nice lately Widow all of the ladies the coming back come your okay um so the other thing that I'm seeing which you know I don't know that the guard rail would really comply but we don't oh you can do flat roofs right from architectural suure but you have to have at least two different Ro planes right with a minimum one foot separation between those planes yeah so this kind of flat roof wouldn't wouldn't be and this little screen wouldn't really qualify as a roof because it's not really a roof right it's just a vertical screen so you need two different roof ples one okay I got it however however you want to treat it minimum one foot difference so I I'll take the volumes and I'll do is what I'll do is I'll take some of these volumes and then I'll move it up and down this side figure this out this one lower this one Higher yeah I mean like if you wanted to create a clear end to his little rooftop thing you pop up like that full Sid and then that's basically going up to to your height level so then not walking past that okay no no you guys see these all day especially this game par we appreciate your feedback and especially when it comes to the architecture and development you know like I I was a little hesitant with the modern you know but I see a lot going up in M this game part so and it's not bad honestly I I don't I I find it to be nice it's just know trend there also in the cone about you know not being able to see that from the street right so obviously it's a little hard for us to tell from a flat through the elevation but it would have to be step back enough that L of sight nobody's on the right away corre if I'm scen my understanding was in church the screen invisible not the equip yeah yeah was that if the equipment was visible you needed to have yeah yeah and if you put like some sort of line of sight diagram that would be good Street or from the Front Street that's from the right way so so you know there's some other language in the code about the the side elevations having some sort of dynamic treatment or you know articulation sort of breakup Mass right you already are going to have to look at that because you're exceeding the 30 feet so when you do that that might help but anything you can do to try to soften this whether it's a different materiality right instead of just stuck on whether it's strange the planes maybe that 30 F feet break up right so the building kind of undulates in and out instead of just being 30 feet and then stepping back all those are architectural things for all but that that big wall Beal concern you know same right a big solid wall it's got some windows but for your neighbor it just looks like a massive TW wall right so when you when you work on that 30 foot thing see what you can Doak up a has some finishes we start it's kind of something to try to soften the right like carry that around the house at least sides okay so the neighbors see just white wall very white wall yeah he wants to apply a lot of nice finishes okay uh I think that's a lot of Feb probably once that's all Incorporated we might see something else what's the feedback on the dark I yeah just say I personally don't mind it I don't know that everyone would I don't think Gage the chairman who's not here likes that but I'm it's at an angle yeah yeah we got I been driving around I kind of wanted to stand out little a little bit and we did this for a project of miam and it actually got a lot of nice reviews and it was actually almost black it's pretty cool but we're still playing with it we still we still have I'm going to give you more rending so you guys see what it's going to work after I design it this will be a stone a dark stone and this will be a yeah be a stco with paint the windows here are definitely different yeah what you playing with the design okay so update your lock coverage make sure it includes all the improvements including that fala right um just be clear of the generator screen for Vi the Tre dis position plan screening of The Terraces on the second and the roof yes working on the second floor side setbacks to comply with 30 foot rule um making sure whatever you do with the screening on the roof Terrace you stay below 28 height and then twoes you want this in case when you're still marking up it no it's okay we'll have our notes next time I know all right guys I appreciate your time and the feedback look forward to so it's every so I work on the revision and then be sub yeah we meet every two weeks the deadline for the meeting is the Monday prior so basically one week from now to be on during the two weeks right yeah okay so came in so we'll do that real quick since it's not a discussion item which is uh 11018 Northeast 8th Avenue for patio oh you've been here you didn't just come in yeah sorry we try to catch who comes in at the beginning so we can but when I passed you you should have said hey I'm 6f okay oh an e is here all right let's do 6f do you mind if you go to the podium just so you're on the microphone and okay no problem you were saying you were at a previous hearing yeah okay so I came last week or on the agenda I'm on the agenda right no but when you came previously it was for just discussion no no I just talked to him because I had no idea how to submit this um so then he gave me told me what to put what it was what the rules were right for this time of flooring so I didn't know there was a setback for flooring on patio he told me it have to be at least 30 inches what I put there he told me my Max overall could be 50% I think it was so I did the measurements based on the last survey so that that's what I submitted here essentially it's flooring around one side of the pool and I'm going to go up to what he said right 30 in from the property line and there'll be a fence there right and that's it it's made out of like composite um it's not it's permeable so water can seep right through it and it's that great let's let us look at it for a second just what you submitted so I I have a question for you uh can you hear me okay yeah so my my question question is you said you go up to 30 in on the side but what's actually indicated goes to the same end as your house but your house looks like it's uh like 9 ft and change 9.63 ft so really the patio goes to the end of the house or the patio goes past the end of the house to the property because the drawing has it only going to the end of the house let mean let me go so well that's not it not the right already that was just then the cation I havei to this solution so there it if you go back here you'll see you look at the ship of the PO so that that first drawing is not relevant it's yeah it's that little smaller thumbnail that's just showing that you're adding so you're adding a deck on the back side of the pool flooring right wood flooring right so not even a patio application it's just deck no it's just yeah it's a great swich to to inch and a half of the ground and I could always raise the ground if I need to that extra inch and a half got it okay and it has a 30 inch yeah okay and he's got lot coverage Cals I guess which yeah it has the lot area so the yeah I don't know what 100.2 eight% means but we just round up that's fine yeah okay so you're at going to be at 47% lock coverage right so you know if there's anything else you want to do in the future probably you got to take something out before you can swap yeah or very little right I mean yeah okay so just to clarify the application is for because the description here is covered patio which is probably something you did in the past probably yeah so it's really for p deck extension right okay is there a motion motion to approve okay all in favor say all right you're all set thank you cool thank you good night okay also 6 e uh joined the meeting so we'll jump to that so 6E 111001 Northeast 9th Avenue metal roof good evening all just give us one second to look at the application thank you so there's a generic form that you need to submit with all metal roof applications that I don't see in the package I don't know if you put get the package or your roofer roofing contractor put it together okay but we need that form basically because the metal roofs have certain criteria to be a approved they have a certain minimum overhang on your eaves depending on the slope of the roof and then they have a minimum fascia height okay that form just has you attest to the fact that you meet the overhang you tell us the slope you tell us the factor height I believe it's in one of the PDFs cuz I sent okay does anyone see it in what they have cuz I don't have it yeah it's an it's it's a big file so it's maybe it's in one of the files and it's just got to scroll down yeah no we scr you have is your Bas your proposal from the roofing company and the first page of the permit that's the only thing we have the other thing too is correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that supposed they're supposed to be photos yeah so as part of that form asks you to submit photo and I think the actual code was updated to require that you provide photos showing you know you or your roofer with a tape measure to kind of confirm that you have the overhang that you're claiming that you have um and then we would also need the color of the roofing material because there's only five permitted colors for metal roofs so we just need to verify that you're one of those approved five colors I think I have all this in here may I give it to you guys or show it to you guys uh I mean you can show it it would need to be in the cap system right in the I downloaded I I guess there there's this an issue with the system because um I have downloaded before and even the permit I had to send it to to to the email so she could she said send it to my email the permit cuz it's not loading in the in the system so tell you WEA yeah this isn't this isn't for us no I mean it's the free page yeah that's just your warranty for the product that don't even think the building department and that's also in but like we literally it would needs to be a bunch of photos of somebody with Pap unless you have those we don't have it a standard form that you find on the website that will say what uh it's a sheet that has a roof line and it says what the distances of the eaves of what the overhang is and then what the measurement is of the fascia what the front is it can't be below a certain amount and this can't be less than a certain amount and then we need to know what the pitch of the roof is because that's what determines it but then we have to have the photos uploaded that have the measurements supporting so yeah so you unfortunately you'd have to upload them and and then we could do it for the next one here um I mean if you have the yeah if we're still here was the question yeah yeah I mean you're welcome to come back we have a couple of discussion again it just needs to be I'm sure David already said it but the form right filled out photos yeah and then the color selection yeah so okay and you know which form it is I was trying to find it online real quick just to show you um I don't see it here do you yeah the metal reof form but is it here CU I just see roof Ro packet then I don't see yeah I was looking on the website too I don't see it mle tonight yeah I can't find it but if you think you have it at home yeah run we'll we'll go to discussion okay so we're gonna hold off on 6C until the applicant returns so now our discussion left BNC has left the room all right well there's no one here for 7B or 7 C so we're going to table those items no yeah you weren't here we tabled it all right so uh discussion 7B 739 Northeast 118 Street new construction third preliminary review do you have physical drawings with you or just what we have onl on the computer oh it'd be helpful if you guys could bring was it okay let's see what the last round I can't keep track of all your guys applications so 739 east8 when you guys were here last time or this one does anyone have their notes from the December hearings I does anyone remember what can you tell us what sheet that's on because I don't see that I'm looking at to show up yeah do you know what architectural sheet it is need to see that but I mean I see something on 1122 that's okay yeah yeah when you scroll down to like page 17 it's different yeah except for that only has a 12 foot set back that would cut it that way you know the the step back has to be five yeah it has to be at 50 so on 30 of 36 there's one dated January 14 okay of 24 which is not correct you mean 25 but happens to everyone in January so now on your second floor you've got still just 12 foot you're still just showing a 12 that back the rule is go from 10 to 15 you have to so beyond that 30 exactly have to set back five additional five feet total yeah to 15 yeah so you have 12 but that's what you had in the previous version too so what got it it's reduced the the one that was at the 10 foot yeah so that's great that part is what you need to do but now it's got to go to 15 from there yeah and that would be basically I mean it's a lot right because it's all the rest of that that's at the next layer so I see you've got it a dimension showing the 30 but okay I'm a little confused because let's start with the I don't know what if I'm looking at the house the left side all right so he's got most of it at 12 it's all at 12 not at 10 nothing's at 10 and then it steps back at 15 so he's got 30 feet 30 linear feet at 12 foot and then 25 or 26 and a half feet at 15 okay so that's fine you know that first but that that that first 30 foot could be a 10 not a 12 fine okay so on the one side you comply because basically you have 30 foot at 12 and then the rest that the right hand side that is and only for yeah so this side you've got an issue right because you're got that's the side you have to step back Sor right so on the left hand side you're good on the right hand side you go from 10 to 12 but it's under 30 foot so no you'd be fine right that side that you've got 11 foot s at 10 foot 11 foot7 linear feet set back at 10 feet and then you've got 15' n linear feet set back at 12 but all of that is less than 30 so all that could be at 10t right so after that you have like I don't know I guess that's like a parce but that's not really a second floor so that doesn't towards that 30 soone what I see on page 30 you agree no I don't see any 15 foot setep because on the on the right hand side he doesn't need to because he has less than 30 linear feet at the minimum on that side period I don't see yeah he doesn't what I'm saying is he doesn't on the right hand side he doesn't need to he could be a 10 feet the whole because he has less than 30 feet of building see it on the I'm starting on the right hand side the right hand side is 10 and 12 yeah yeah yeah but it could all be 12 it could all be 10 because it's less than 30 on the other side he does have 15 feet where it says Garden you see there on the left hand side yeah exactly yeah is that 12 when it doesn't need to be and on the other side you've got some that's at 12 that doesn't also doesn't need to be but we appreciate it because you provide extra setbacks that's great okay so I think on the side setbacks as far as I see you seem fine um I just don't have notes about what else there was for you visibility in theing what exact the bedroom we're talking about above the nightstand in the master in the primary what is the elevation outside there's a there's an outside balcony on the back here that popped out the side okay so did we do anything about that this this renderings there wasn't anything yeah like some some sort of visual screening because the idea is you're sitting on that small balcony and yeah would you is there is there an actual vertical screen on that balcony or no would you would you be willing to maybe set the balcony in a little bit like not go to the edge or put a screen I don't care yeah okay have to vot on it next time anyways right yeah I think we can yeah we can vote yeah as no this yeah well minus we would want to see CU like this this besides what's in the render or what's in the actual Sheets if this had uh if this was extended out to feet so this was a solid wall or anything else then we're good the problem with timing was that's kind of the opposite we needed a solid wall so that you don't see into the neighbors oh yes yeah yeah so because even if you put a vertical screening element it's still going to be part of that 30 foot so you have the same problem the other thing that you can easily do is just yeah have it flush with the edge have it stop four feet short of the edge or something right and then if if these two part are the only P that open you could have it start where it opens well that doesn't because the code says that in the rear 2/3 you need to diminish from the second floor diminish views into your neighbor so if you put a balcony or a Terrace on the back of the house it's still again it's the code right someone can there smoking their cigarettes staring at the neighbors you know kids in the pool right that's the whole oh if if we get it if yeah if we get again I wouldn't I don't think you need to do that I think like not extending the balcony to the edge of the building and shortening it would be a solution I think right I guess the question is whether we you know all verbally agree to something and vote you forward without it having documented the plans but give a second because Denisha want to get the minute so that we can just refresh our memory what comments there were and make sure we're not missing something else we agreed to check yeah I'm I'm sure if that minor thing we can improve conditional exactly that's what I'm saying does that uh this connects to this part right so you can walk from here all the way to all the way there yeah this Garden thing is on the second floor or that's on the first floor so it has some kind of vertical screening element okay so now I see why when you are bumping up against your 30 feet at the 10 because that is all the that's 9 foot 10 at 10 foot now we have a problem because that Garden is a second floor garden and it has you can be in that or it just lands it's a you can't be in it it's it's a planter got it the the the little vertical batons that I see in plan what do they look like in El full height or they just like half height show me the oh so those batens are below they don't even go up to the edge okay but that's not a full height wall no got it okay and it's not a privacy concern because you're can't get into that to be at the edge okay yeah okay so gisha has the minutes from before but it's doesn't really say much about what we on about a driveway but yeah yeah know I'm just trying to understand because I wasn't at your last meeting so I don't know what was discussed but anyways your driveway is fine it's going to be a separate per anyway so when it was on the other side so you flipped it okay so that went away great so that's what we have here is corrected so David I I I think we'd all be fine with a contingent R right so someone wants to make that motion so motion to approve pending adjustment to Bringing Master we need to make a motion to move this to yeah motion move to new business item 6n November uh second for that second favor say I I okay so 7B is now 6n so we can vote on it making a motion to move item 7B from discussion to 6n business right then a motion then motion to approve pending adjustment to balcony on masterroom being in from property line say hi okay so 6n formally 7B has been approved okay uh so we have 7c 910 Northeast 113 Street new construction third preliminary review oh this is the one with the pool in the front and whatever so I'm sorry what did you say you changed or are you addressed okay provide some architectural treatment on the back update January 10 is the only a very very bottom rendering on the second floor each wall all has the materials yeah so I see you updated a rendering sheet you update an elevation just this is well what I have here January 10 that's clearly new that's these renderings right this is sections they're not updated more recently right sections they're not updated that's so A4 is elevation but this hasn't been updated and then A3 is elevations but it has not been updated and then this A2 roof plan has been updated it's a new one but that's not what we're looking at then A1 also has been updated by its elevation so the one thing that we would be helpful is the elevation obviously the render is there so we try to get a new render do you see this change anywhere implemented whatever was the rear not beyond the renderings so I don't know fortunately we have no elevation or rendering so it's hard to say that anything's been updated last well I mean the very last I mean this one though maybe they just didn't date it because this is what you're saying you added here that's one yeah so they just didn't put the the update a03 or 26 of 30 in the PDS the reelevation there's some kind of horizontal treatment between the windows that's what I was looking at at the very bottom that I was saying yeah I just I skipped it because it didn't have a Janu everything else had a January 10 date but the one sheet that mattered okay Al righty so this bottom one here says 110 yeah yeah I'm saying a lot of the sheets say actually didn't so I didn't think it was updated but it was okay all right is there motion for this motion to approve wait oh motion to move to be item 60 as an Oscar second to that motion second all in favor say I another motion David motion motion to approve second on that motion to approve second all fa say I all right all right so 7 C formerly 7c Now 60 has been approved as well all right yeah oh is that yours yeah we'll do it right there okay so let's jump to Old business pc6 36 Northeast 7th Avenue driveway is this just that you added the approach that wasn't there before is that what changed I know all your like you had a bunch of driveways and all of them were missing the approach part at first well yeah old business 5c fa driveway 11636 7 youve got a five foot side set back right the sale's only six feet there so yeah and then it has a little flare on the end motion to approve second favor say it I I all right driveways approved thanks guys yeah I saw the I saw the asking price best of luck to you how's it going is it getting getting nibbles 675 what is it now so what is it now I still still got a six in front of me hey I mean listen I I wish you all luck I hope it hope it goes through yes right all right uh okay so let's jump back to is it this is all the stuff that is uploaded no no not theway oh you don't have here um I let me see if I can find an old drop she's going to do the same thing but you're yeah this is no like I said it was a bunch of photos that would be like a contractor holding a tape measure to the parts of the RO and then there's nothing two that says yeah and there's nothing here too that says what color the the roof is either that's just the okay all right that that would be acceptable so then but the other parts let me see if I can get into this is the form that's an older one but the current code now says in addition to that form that provide actual photog right the form and that form that that's not on the thing do so just make sure that that goes in yeah and the color was what bronze bronze it says aluminum bronze so the yeah once we have the pictures in that form then we can we can approve it as long as you have to remember that in the code depending on what the pitch is so height is per foot of length determines what the other measurements have to be at a minimum so if he comes back and it's Ines you can set it in but we're going to we're going to have to deny it because not the right uh measure it's in the code and there's different ones depending on what that pitch is so if you have a 3 in slope over a foot then it's different dimensions than if you have a 2 in slope over a foot so we don't know what the slope is right now until till your guy does the measurements to be able to then say but if you ask the maximum is 18 either 12 or 18 so if you go around and measure and your overhang is at least 18 everywhere then you're fine and if it's under more than 12 then maybe it's okay depending on the slope if it's less than 12 then you're not eligible for a metal roof yeah no well this is providing the the square footage the areas right that's more for your roofer to do a takeoff this is just linear feed of the actual I oh uh so here so basically he's saying got a 3 to 12 so for a 3 to 12 you would have to have a 18inch overhang this 0 to 12 I'm assuming is some flat roof you have some places okay you're not doing that you need an 18in the overhang is you know this part right that's the form that you would F out and just but David saying for your own personal sake go home and make sure you got 18 in everywhere yeah yeah some people have homes that have like you have tile roof now yeah some have to roof homes that like let's say on one side there's noop so that's one that's the first page it's two pages and then this is the page that was you know filled out by somebody yep I think then you'd be on the next but you would have to upload everything by next Monday the week one week in advance of the meetings we meet every two weeks yeah like we can't look at something after tonight you can only look at it again at the next board meeting week yeah I mean once we close the meeting at the end of the night then so we can only what we can do is table it so we don't deny it and then you have to pay p and all that so ation and then we'll just leave it for the next meeting we have all that motion cable pending upload of proper overhang okay all very set all right thanks okay so try to get home let's go back to the meeting minutes yeah all right so let's see that's older meeting minutes from oh no that's the yeah know I didn't know that he physically signs from e is there motion motion to approve right okay uh so old business 5A 826 well did we do 5B because I feel like we shouldn't bother with 5A unless we're deciding on 5 and no because 5A is no longer give me a second it's not a construction fence oh it's a trick trick so just to let's say administrative clarification for 5A it's not really a temporary construction fence it is a Safety and Security Fence uh our building official is requesting that we approve motion to approve is there a second all in favor of approval 5A say hi I uh 5B I don't we can discuss it I don't think we'd be able to Pro it because it's closing a three unit building in a single family District uh doesn't comply with setbacks so on so forth I think it's something that we should discuss as a as a whole Board of stages here as well so I would recommend tabling this for next discussion and I would also recommend moving it to a discussion item for the next meeting the other part too that's slightly disorienting is they label it as simply an exterior remodel but it has interior plans does but that's what it says here but if you actually scroll in the application it says inter exterior and interior yeah that's what I'm saying is is like I I feel doubly uncomfortable when they're trying to sneak stuff past the goalie so you know this is the property on 121st Street that has not been occupied for quite some time yeah for the 5 years that I've been on the board and I think at least three or four more than that um we do have a section of the code that says once you have discontinued use of a property for more than six months you cannot reinstate non-conforming aspects so if they had the property had been occupied forever then they could continue to maintain those non-conformances but it's been abandoned now it needs to come into compliance right Fair they said using it as it I didn't see that in the application but motion okay is there a second okay so all in favor of the motion to move this to the discussion at the next agenda say I okay uh so moving on new business 6A 823 Northeast 107 Street for fence um this I wish the applicant was here for because I'm really confused it's in the front of the house it's calling for chain link in the front of the house so we're sure this is not a construction fence request this is for a permanent fence they're requested yeah okay so it's not clear but it's a fence application they're showing a double gate and a single gate on the corners of the house which would be an acceptable location but then they're also showing 5 foot chain link running down the left hand side of the property and then a fence running across the front which has rolling gate at the driveway a single gate in the middle another rolling gate five foot chain link so um yeah this is a real the application is for a real fence so our code doesn't permit fences in front of the house there a motion on the there a second all in favor of denying this say I okay uh 6B 940 Northeast 117 Street driveway uh so this one the math is won um if you go if you cross reference basically I think they kind of like handrew out stuff at the bottom that's one I looked at earlier yeah so like the main driveway plus the auxiliary Right comes out to 31 feet out of 75 ft which is over 40% of the Swale it because the sale is 75 by 13 and a half 41.3 repeating because I did the math earlier actually did you oh you want to have a math Final Countdown oh I just say so it's 75 by 13.5 right that's what you get for the S Dimension no well what I did was I did 12 feet because that's what they did for 12 their survey it's 13 and a half yeah I went off the drawing but let's say that you at so it's 1,2 feet is the sale and then they have 17 + 14 * 12 well no 14 is time 13 okay good point so 13.5 14 is 189 and 17 * 12 is 2049 so that's 393 1012 38% yeah but here's the issue you add 12 plus 30 that gets to the front that's not what the actual dimensionality is what it takes to get to the front porch from the road so what it takes to get to the front porch from the road is 38.5 plus 13.5 so I just so you're you're saying you believe that auxiliary is not I I just did it at 13.5 to give them to say all right benefit of the doubt so it's 31 divided by 75 because they're using the full width of the sale you don't need to multiply against the other dimension 31 divid by 75 is how I got to 41 but no matter what the math is wrong on this because that that front walk should be 38.5 ft long is it the driveway length existing is 29.9 but then there's an 8.5 setback to it so that's that's where I was like oh the math like I think that this person can get this done but they need to get the math correct your concern is the SLL because the driveway part portion doesn't seem to 40% yeah if they like you see how the Swale even has like an extra foot or two like if it just ended at the walkway right then they'd be under so it's very I think that it's close and if they were here I I would be trying to make it work but if they let's say they just didn't show the dimension for that walkway that 30 feet which is unnecessary right yeah you would just be going by the 12 by 17 and the 14 by 13 and a half right and then they'd be under yeah I mean the math yes yes they'd be close because the math is technically supposed to be 43.5 but yeah I would be fine with it if they weren't doing what's 43.5 the main driveway length should be 43.5 instead of 42 yeah but that but that doesn't matter doesn't matter you know I'm just saying I get your point that 38 that 30 is not really accurate but if I take it at face value and they're saying that the auxiliary is 12 x 17 they're under right yeah I mean I don't care that much I'm just saying the math is wonky if everybody else voted to approve I would vote to approve and if the person was here I'd be saying hey could you shorten it up by a foot or two so that it's justway provide like show the walkway at 38 right yeah yeah yeah you're right yeah yeah sry to me it's it's I have no I'm not going to make the motion but I have no issue proving all right well I can't make a motion I also probably you know if they did not have that 12 foot and they showed 30 foot okay then I'd say something's wonky but since they are telling me it's 12 x 17 and I don't really care what the walkway is I would also approve down to int Scarlet what they feel they're feeling brave all right motion to approve nobody's saying anything is there a second David's motion yes okay all in favor say I all right 6bs approved all right 6G uh 11095 Griffin Boulevard uh pool remodel it's the famous one with the f oh this is the corner one so looks like they're whatever doing you know refinishing the pool that doesn't seem they're changing the pool or anything but they are adding new deck on each side but I do not see any block coverage ulations in here don't know what their total C does anyone see challenging site to say so got to just have them proper documentation I don't think they're anywhere close so is it a mo so it's a yeah so motion table pending lot calculations due to to the addition of the new de are a second say 6G is table 6j 11725 Griffin Boulevard impact windows and doors white gray motion to approve say I approved yeah even a commercial our projects all have Mr glass fell off guarantee Mr glass is installing es window they're just yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah uh okay so it sounds just to confirm with everyone our next meeting is on the 24th of February holiday is everyone good for the 24th you know I'll be here wait what is that a is it a it's a Monday Monday three Mondays from now three weeks um I just wanted to mention something real quick an email is it's actually because it's from a different city but it was from our building official um he he mentioned that and we had a paint a paint permit tonight but he has quotes from State statutes that were not supposed to be issuing permits for paint for residential property gate yeah I mean it's come up before and and I don't recall what Gage said was The Village's position on that is yeah we can't there is some restriction on pain permits yeah and and I remember this coming up and maybe it's just maybe we're just approving a color yeah so there's some way we imply but have some enforcement yeah and Pedro also did say that he um he was running it through the vill yeah and I again I remember this coming up before Gage saying yeah it say it's this is itess or requiring them to I guess anybody yeah again I don't know if it's like we're not giving you a you a perm for for paint brushes all right so yeah we'll we just just to clarify because I wasn't quite sure on the one that was just doing the door the one that was just doing the door on the black color we allow for instance if you wanted to paint shutters fascia stuff like that black right it's really the just the roofing material that cannot be black black in Roofing we've we've approved some dark color roofs well we've approved dark but if it has black in the name then we can't prove it my understand I don't think there's anything to Cod that thats black more that it gets down to the Harmony and there was one that we a metal roof that we flat out deny because it said right and the metal has a a specific list of colors that areed yeah and black wasn't but dark charcoal was I I remember that exactly so someone came with with concrete tiles and they wanted to be black which I don't know if they make those discuss is there a motion to say IED now that it's off the record I want to tell you B