Uh let's proceed anyway. All right. So, regular commission meeting obviously July 9th. Uh I believe uh Jonathan will be joining us but he'll be running a little late. Is that that's the that's the that's the consensus. So u let's uh
let's get started. Pledge of allegiance. We >> call roll call. >> [sighs] >> Mr. Vice Mayor, we need a roll call. >> Yes, please. Thank you. >> Commissioner Ansler, yes. >> Vice Mayor Gonzalez, >> here. Commissioner Huntington
>> here. >> Commissioner Samra. >> Yeah. >> Mayor Groth. Mr. Vice Mayor, you have a quorum. >> Um before we get started, is the uh attorney, he said he was going to join us. Uh >> he's online. >> He's on. >> I'm here.
>> Hi, John. >> Thanks. >> Um now, we're going to be talking about additions, deletions, and withdrawals. I I I have an item um that I might have to that I may just withdraw, but I just want to make sure that I clarify with you and and so that everybody is aware.
And that is Robert's rules of order. Uh you mentioned that we already have uh we already have that voted in and it's in place that we just haven't been uh adhering to it. Is that is that the case? >> Um Mr. Vice Mayor, that is correct. uh
you know you all have adopted u a rules of procedure and it does provide currently for I believe a fivem minute limitation on communic on uh commissioners discussions on any particular agenda item uh to the best of my knowledge um I do not believe that
that has been enforced. I do know some jurisdictions that will split that time uh 3 minutes uh first go round every commissioner has an opportunity once that is finished then uh those who desire have an additional 2 minutes it's
at that how you split that five minute uh time uh if at all is up to the discretion of the commission. >> Okay. And do we have to vote on that before every single uh item >> or we just call that right now?
>> No, you if if if you all adopt the rule now um uh eventually, you know, we will um codify that in the form of bringing back the resolution to specify that if that's the desire of the majority of the commission is to split that time that five minute time limitation.
>> Okay. All right. And uh so is that something that we can discuss? We have to just wait till uh the the item at the end to discuss. >> Um yes uh or during uh commission reports I I guess in theory uh you all could raise that issue and and and
direct us. It's you know uh at the discretion of the commission. Uh obviously there's a discussion item scheduled. Um, if we're getting short of time and you all want to take that out of order, then you certainly can make that motion to do so at that point.
>> Okay, perfect. All right. Um, okay. So, uh, then I guess mine is just going to stay. So, anybody else have any deletions, withdrawals? >> I do. >> Um, so I'm going to start by amending my vote about procedure um, uh, procurement
procedures ordinance together with the resolution of last month. I voted for a yes. I'm going to turn it into a no. Um I'm in the midst of trying to understand what the protocol is for making sure that we have a process of control on those procurements. So I know
it still passes since it's a 4 to1, but I wanted to state that for the record and amend my vote. >> Is that is that all? >> Yes. So I make a motion to amend my vote for a no on the ordinance related to procurement. Okay,
>> Commissioner, does that also apply to the corresponding resolution? >> Um, yes. At this time, I think, you know, I know it still passes, but I want to be sure I have >> sort of checked my my boxes before, so I'll say both. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Do we need to do we need to do anything with that? >> I don't know if I'll leave it to the attorney to confirm. I'm not sure. I I think that that to the extent that the um minutes of that meeting are scheduled to be uh adopted today, it would be to
um uh approving those minutes subject to that one change in the vote. Um and you know once the minutes are approved then that is the vote that will carry forward historically. >> Okay. So I'm actually pulling those both
meetings um John. So you let me know how that works because I will be pulling those >> together with so just to give you some order here. Art um >> I'm pulling from consent 9B
9H 9 I that's it and I >> Yes. So you let me know how that works. um when we get to the minutes discussion. John, >> I don't know if you heard me. Yeah.
Okay. >> Yes. Yes, ma'am. >> So, where where where where would we put that? the um items uh that are being pulled from consent agenda. The particularly the resolutions would be put um at the
you know either at the front or the back end of the uh other resolutions that are under um um section 11 or paragraph 11. We would add them at the end um and take them in order. Then same with the u the
uh um minutes votes. We would uh put those um um either before uh ordinances, you can take up the minutes. I think that probably would be um the most expedient thing.
So after you adopt consent agenda, you can take up uh uh items H and I on the consent agenda, the minutes uh to reflect the vote of the uh of the commissioner and then the resolutions that have been pulled would be added to
the end of section 11. >> End of section 11. Got it. >> All right, John, if you're still with us by then, uh and I failed to uh see that, just remind me, will you please? We'll do, sir. >> Thank you. All right. Um, is that it?
Does anybody else have anything? Nothing. All right, we move along. Uh, public comments. Uh, we're going to start here at at What's that? Oh, sorry, the presentation. Sorry, Dave. I did. I
missed you. Go ahead, Dave. Thank you. feel like uh I'm going to a Sunday family dinner at my Italian house because I've known you all for so long. So, it's good to see some really nice faces here. Um I am going to just um talk about a few things and then I'm going to introduce some very special
guests that we have today uh who are going to talk a little bit further about some of the highlights of this past session. As you know, u about a couple days ago, I sent you all a very detailed outline of the bills that passed 2026 is
uh five sessions. Um and uh they were pretty detailed as I mentioned. They're a compilation of the the research and data from the Florida League and also Florida Association of County. So, they're really good um tool
to to use. Uh but what I do want to do is just uh pick maybe a few of them real quick and highlight and then go ahead and make some introductions here tonight um to move forward with our um our our final update for the 2026 legislative
session. Um before I start, I do again want to thank um our manager and our mayor and members of the council and commissioner Huntington as well for uh getting a chance to come up to Tallahassee this year uh and actually see you know what we actually do up
there. It's it's a lot different, I guess you would agree, uh than what you hear. And uh it's an intense process. Um it's uh it's one that you've got to be on top of. And you know, there is a reason why you have folks, you know, up there watching out for things for you
because especially when dealing with cities and municipalities once again this year, no different than any other, they're always a target. And uh and we've got to do everything we can to limit um especially for the smaller communities. Um and I think we've done a
good job over the years to do that. We've had a couple of uh years um but we always come back stronger uh in the following sessions. So with that uh I want to start out uh one of the bills um that that passed was the local government financing and it requires
local governments to um conduct a workshop. Uh it's not it's not saying it's a mandated thing to to enact, but it's it's something that they're saying that you have to conduct a workshop in which the governing body will perform a budget reduction exercise that
identifies different strategies um in the ensuing fiscal year uh to cut the budget by 10%. And so, uh, the exercise, um, must be posted once it's done on the the local website, government's website in a downloadable PDF PDF form, um,
format. And the exercise has to occur at least 14 days before the final budget adoption. And it takes effect in 27. So, you're talking about next year um, having to do this exercise. So, it's something for for you um manager to take a look at and make sure that the
commission goes ahead and and at least moves through that process. Um the uh each tenative um adopted and final budget must be posted on the local government's website. As I mentioned to you, um the uh there's might not impact
us, but it imposes new substantive procedural constraints on how local government, school districts, and special districts will calculate their um impact rates and fees. Uh two, suits against governments. That was another one that many of you had had
some issues with because uh what it did, fortunately, it was vetoed by the governor. So, we we had our effort there worked pretty well. it it uh >> sorry I didn't hear you Debbie would >> yeah the the suits against government you know there was a limitation on how much they can sue and how much the
counties and cities so what happened was this would have amended to increase the sovereign immunity caps on tour claims uh to 350 from 200 and to 500 uh up from 300 but like I said the governor vetoed and so we're at the same cap rates which
is a very good thing for for all of us uh official actions of local government Um the bill prohibits counties and municipalities from funding, promoting or taking any official action relating to diversity, equity, and inclusion. Uh the bill further provides that a county
commissioner, municipal governing member, or other local official acting in an official capacity who violates that will be considered committing a misfeasance or a malfeasance in the office. Um going through this quickly because you have the details uh that you can look at
after, but I just want to highlight some things. The uh bill also requires a potential recipient of the county or municipal contract to grant or certify that it does not and will not use local government funds to require employees or contractors or agents uh to to be
instructed using DEI materials. Um, local government cyber security was another uh there was a grant program that will be administrated by the Florida Digital Service uh provided to the communities and uh the grant uh award preference is going to be given to fiscally constraint um counties uh as
well. So that's going to be something that's going to be new that um you all will will probably have to uh implement as well. on the building permit side and inspection side uh provides that local government building permits for a single family dwelling expire one year after
the issuance. So that's something that will be new uh that you all are going to have to make sure you implement. Uh prohibits inspection fees that are based on the total cost of a project or that exceed the actual inspection costs. So that's something that's also going to change. It also exempts, this is the big
one, uh, owners of a single family dwelling or the owners of a contractor from obtaining building permits for any work on the property valued at less than $7,500 except if it's for work on property that is partially or entirely located in a flood area, electric, plumbing, mechanical, and all that kind of stuff
as well. uh requires approval of a building permit application when five business days if the permit is for structural accessory structure, alarm, electrical, gas, irrigation and and and many others. Private providers uh requires all local
government agencies to establish a registration system for private providers. It cannot limit people from using them. Uh it also prohibits an imposition of an administrative fee for registering in the process. It uh requires the building permit fee is charged to be based on the cost incurred
and nothing more. Um prohibits a local building official from reviewing plans and constructions or drawings that were uh determined by the prov private provider to be compliant with the Florida building code. So there are some nuances there that you all are just going to have to you know readress
and make sure that you implement and and follow the guidelines that the state has uh set for you. Um there's they had uh regulation of greenhouse gas emissions which is detailed in the report I gave you and then also code inspector body cameras
just says that the local governments have to create that allow these cameras have to create uh policies and procedures relating to the proper use and make sure they go through the proper training for that. uh the mobile devices. Uh if you remember, there was a section where uh they were doing um they
wanted to try to regulate electric bicycles on the roadways, which was a big one for everybody. Unfortunately, the government uh governor vetoed that one. So, that's not in in effect uh as well. So, those are just some of the highlights of what um came from that big
list of uh of bills that that you had. And so today um always very exciting uh to have the leaders of our community. We have with us today um Representative D. Joseph who is on Zoom as you can see. Um
we all see you. You look absolutely wonderful. >> And we also have Carrington from Sharon Jones, Senator Jones office here. And thank you so much. She has been such a pleasure to work with on appropriations and um I look forward to continuing, you know, wherever you uh go and and do.
But, uh, we're we're all rooting for you. So, thank you so much for for being here. And we also have special guests with us. Remember last year we had Anna Maria Rodriguez who helped support. And that's the one thing about this community. We always uh work together. And that's the great thing about the the leaders of this Date County community.
We do that. We have with us Representative Blanco who sponsored our uh playground equipment as well. And and he'll say hi in a little bit. But what I'd like to do is turn over uh to uh our wonderful representative D. Joseph uh to
talk a little bit about some of the things that you wanted to share about what happened up there. And I know we'll get to at some point you might even want to just start into it with the property tax issue that uh passed that we're going to be facing in November. >> Sure. I'm going to get to the property tax in a second. I'll just mention
briefly that we did um successfully get the septic to sewer project in the budget. Uh it was a master plan to help transition approximately 1,200 homes in the village of Biscane Park from septic tanks to our more modern sewer system.
Um unfortunately that was one of the projects that was vetoed by the governor. Uh in addition to that, I know you want me to focus on park tax. So let me let me touch that on briefly. So there was uh a proposal that came through from the governor's office which
um was addressed in a very short period of time. And in that proposal, it is taking away um property taxes. And instead of addressing property insurance premiums, which is where um most flidians would rather address this issue, um they went
up went about it with the property taxes. Now, the proposal that we have right here, I'm just going to talk about the impact on Miami date county and then small um villages like um Biscane Park. So, according to the Miami Dade County estimates, um the proposal could result
in a first-year revenue loss of approximately 385.8 million in 2027 and 696.7 million by 2028. What services are we talking about? Um things that are
potentially on the chopping block at various levels would include police, fire, rescue, libraries, parks, transit, community services, cultural affairs, and Jackson health systems. Um one thing that is protected in the current version of the bill are schools. Everything else
um including police and power fire are things that they can use um as an authorized use but not protected. Um so that's something to keep in mind. So, if you're okay with Tallahassee holding the power of the purse for all of our local
spending, then you probably want to support the current version. Um, if you have if you take issue with that like I do, um, then that may be something you may want to revisit. What I do support is targeted um tax relief for people who
are lowincome, seniors, um veterans, you know, targeted groups of folks. In addition to that, there was a proposal that unfortunately was not considered um that the Democrats had proposed that would have made sure that we had a trust fund available to backfill needs
particularly for fiscally constrained um counties but also villages like Biscane Park to make sure that you would not have a shortfall um come the adjustment to the property taxes. Uh it also made sure that we covered essential services
like police, fire, and that they were not um a possibility of being on the chopping block. So that's the short version of the property taxes. Um and then in terms of other legislation that I filed, I'll just highlight a few. Um, one of them was the Healthy Florida Act,
which in addition to expanding Medicaid um and protecting Flidians from um aggressive tactics um as it relates to medical debt, it would have provided comprehensive health care for all Flidians. Uh the other bill um that I
want to highlight is the real affordable housing act. Um that one provided a number of very creative solutions to tackle the underlying um problems that we have in affordable housing from uh limiting the amount of single family
homes that um institutional buyers like private equity firms and um hedge funds could purchase that are just single family. Uh it also tackled um allowing local governments to be able to experiment with things like land trusts.
Um protecting the affordable housing trust, the Saddowski trust fund. Um that's another bill. Um another one that I filed was the data center transparency bill which requires um data centers to share information about their energy and
water resource usage in advance of approval. um a as well as restricting surveillance pricing. So those are some of the bills that I filed uh in the legislature this last session and um these are some of the things that I would hope to address. For those who
don't know, I am also a candidate for governor of this great state to try to tackle some of these issues headon. Thank you. >> Thank you so much uh Representative Reley appreciate that uh that detailed report. Uh just going back to the property taxes as everybody knows there
is a couple lawsuits I believe out on that right now. One challenging the actual language as you know potentially misleading. Um and then uh also challenging I believe the constitutionality of the uh treating out out oftowners that are haven't been here
for longer than 5 years I think it is differently in in their obtaining you know the uh the required um allocation. So that's still up in the air too. Uh you know we are obviously because of regulation uh limited as a as a
government counties and municipalities from actually going out against or for anything. So, that's something that, you know, the manager and the attorney will have to, you know, be careful with and I'll have some conversations with the manager as well as we talk about this and and any options to make sure that
the public is educated on this particular piece of legislation and and how it could really impact them down the road. Um, so that's just one I wanted to say that. Um, so what I'd like to do is uh Carrington, I know I spoke to the
senator and uh he was unable to be here. He's traveling m,000 miles an hour. Uh, but I know he really worked hard. He took the brunt of a lot of the uh of the uh of the sponsorship on the Senate side. And it's not easy. And just to go to what Representative was saying uh and
I'm sure uh Representative Blanco will also will share a little bit too. Uh this is a tough season. Um as you know, I mean the Senate, the House, the governor, no one got along for some reason. uh and and you know obviously you don't like to see that but it happens. Uh the budgets it took a while
for them to come to an understanding of you know how much they wanted to spend. The house wanted to you know reduce which they've been trying. The senate wanted a little bit more. They finally found the number. But what happened was in the end a lot of the projects either didn't make it in there or got cut to
half. And we were fortunate to at least get some of ours full you know through that process. And that's important because this is an election year. So the administration that's there now is not going to be there. It'll be a new one. And so next year we go out even stronger and uh hopefully we'll come back, you
know, looking looking good as we did last year. We we were one of the few that got got uh maintained last year. So it it happens and no excuses. I always take full responsibility for it. Um but you know, we uh we we work hard and and everybody knows that. I do want to see
if uh representative just wants to say hello because uh this gentleman here has really done an an amazing job as well in in in coming into a community and when when everybody here says they represent the community they really mean they represent Date County not just their district. So and and
>> while he's coming up I want to just take a moment of personal privilege to thank Representative Blanco. Um and I I will attest to some of what of what Mr. Casserta is saying. The day delegation really does you know tag team it. Um, we work collaboratively whenever we can to
make sure that the needs of the community are taken care of. So, I just wanted to say a special thank you to Representative Blanco as he's coming up. >> Thank you so much, uh, Representative Joseph. Uh, she's absolutely right. You know, the secret sauce to what we do is working together across the aisle on
issues that impact our communities, our residents, and the people we are up there to serve. Uh, unfortunately, the appropriation we carried this year [clears throat] didn't make it. uh you know uh while it's disappointing to you I can't tell you how disappointing it was for me um you know it's like
fighting for a championship you know game in and day in and day out uh one m one step in the right direction two steps in the right direction you're getting momentum uh just to have a veto pen uh dismiss all that hard work so my commitment to you and continue to work
with my partner uh uh the representative Joseph uh to continue to do what we can uh to to bring it back I know it's an important thing to uh to this community and like I said continue working together on the issues that uh that directly impact our residents. So I'll be around if anybody has any questions
but thank you for the warm welcome. Thank you for having me today and continue to count on me as a friend uh up in Tallahassee. Thank you. >> Yeah. And and just to expand on what representative just said, you know, next year we're going to come back with some other different projects, maybe some road stuff or what have you. But I'll uh
that's that's going to be, you know, my goal to sit with our manager and and work things out and then he'll be able to share with everybody um you know, some of the thoughts we had and then as you all begin doing your workshops, you'll be able to gather your thoughts and see what's important for all of you
and and uh and we're going to go all out next year and and uh and make a difference. So, um, that concludes my report. >> Vice Mayor, >> go ahead. Could I just, uh, ask a few questions? Sure.
>> So, uh, first of all, uh, thank you both, Representative Blanco, Representative Joseph for being here this evening and we really truly appreciate all you do for the village of Biscane Park and all the hard work and and fighting for us each year. Um and
and especially uh Representative Joseph, please don't forget us. Once you get into the governor's mansion, don't forget Little Miss Game Park. So uh but having said that, >> never that. Always in my heart. >> All right. Thank you. >> And no vetos.
>> No vetos. Yes. Absolutely. No vetos. So having said that about the uh the big item that's on the ballot come November, the tax reform. What uh from both from both of of you, what would you be your advice to the village of Biscane Park to
notify how do we go about notifying our residents and talk educating them on this this process and about you know uh about this uh what's exactly on the ballot and so that they're informed and and uh well let me let me help answer
that if I could, Representative. um you know that that's that's a big question because of the limitations that I mentioned about before. So that's something that I think we're going to have to you know take a little bit of time take a look at what comes back from the lawsuits and what have you take a
gauge of where the the polling looks like it's going as I'm sure they're going to start getting an idea of what people are thinking about this. It has to pass with 60%. That's a lot. But um you know uh so who knows who's going to be educated, who's not going to be educated, who's going to come out
against it outside any organization that might come out. So what I'd like to do if I could is to to really formulate some thoughts uh talk to some of the other communities and uh and then sit with you, Mr. Manager, uh and and start
to go over a few uh a few thoughts that we might have and then see if those are viable or not. That sounds great. Thank you again, Representative Blanco and Representative Joseph for being here. >> Thank you all and I hope next year we we try to get more and more folks to come
up and see the it's a pretty incredible system. So yeah, >> does anybody else have any questions or comments? >> Yes, thank you first of all for everybody to be in here and giving us an update. Um so I have an item today uh about what can we do? What can we do as just
ourselves with all these changes that are currently happening? I mean, it's such a big scope of what you just described. Is there something that you would recommend individuals should be doing besides all the effort that you, you know, you put forward for us and everybody else in the League of Cities
and stuff, it feels that we're such a little grain of sand on this big scheme of things. Is there something you would recommend that we >> So, so what I will say to that and it's still going to what the manager had mentioned um I think you need to uh
assess I don't say the damage but assess the impact >> here once you know that then you can gauge okay what are our options are our options you know charging for this uh putting this at the
county maybe individualizing ing some some, you know, uh um things, you know, within the the community like public works or for whatever it might be. Um and then see if those actually shave some cost. You're going to be doing your
budget experimental uh you know, process that that the state requires you to do now. So that might help you come up with something. Um, so I think there's a lot of factors that still have to be known for you to be able to say, "Oh, here's what you should do." I do think
everybody should do their homework. And that homework is going to be based on the impacts, how it is going to impact residents. Are there services that going to be lost? I know the bill says, you know, that can't touch fire, you can't touch police, you can't touch those. But
there is a concern there, too, because it doesn't say that you have to continue to expand those services. is when the populations grow and then all of a sudden you need more police and you can't >> or you need more firefighters, you can't, that might be an issue. So, people need to just really do their homework on this one and not just sit
back and say, "Oh, yeah, this is great." Um, I'm not saying it is or not because I don't know the exact impact here uh in the community, but I know you've got a great manager right there and he'll be able to put those numbers together and and uh you all will be able to assess
the different budgets that you are of importance to you and see you know exactly what is the impact and once you know that I think then I mean you you can begin to assess. Yeah. >> And when it comes this is my last question. So when it comes to all the appropriations because yet we're heading
into budget so we what sort of mindset do you do you enter are we you know knowing what just happened and the veto that happened I mean it's not news to us it's happened before now in this circumstances even more when everything is sort of up in the air how do you see
maybe other municipalities and your experience in contacts approaching budget with this uncertainty >> uh I I honestly think they all in the same position as you Yeah. >> They're like, "What do we do?" >> Yeah. >> And and it all starts with, "Well, the first thing we've got to do, and I think
Florida League and Florida has done a great job in sort of compiling all the numbers and and the total impact, and now they just need to get the message out >> to to folks that, okay, here's what really is going to happen, you know. Um I I know it's not giving you a total
answer yet, but I can't. >> We don't have it. >> Right. Right. So, but but you you you move in that direction and I think you move in the right direction to come up with a good response on how to handle it. But everyone is in your same spot right now, especially the other seven smaller cities here
>> in day county. >> I can imagine. Several questions may uh first off, I want to thank you for being here and all other individuals that are here tonight. >> Uh do we have an idea when these lawsuits are going to go through and are we gonna have enough hope I explain this right. we going to have enough time to
figure out what our >> I asked a I asked that question to a couple of folks saying, you know, it's a short period of time. They got to have this stuff ready by August. But the the the court system has a way of creating a scenario where because this is imminent,
they will have all of the, you know, issues addressed. Even if it goes to Supreme Court or wherever it might go, they will be able to address it prior to the election period. so that they will be able to put something on the ballot um with regards to this because the
state did approve that this would would fulfill. >> So once you find out after the appeal process and will you be able to put together the numbers on how it's going to affect us as >> I wouldn't be responsible for the numbers that would be your your the manager and his team and and all the
departments >> to have the numbers in time for before the election to understand what our impact would be. >> Yeah, I I would think so. Yeah, >> hopefully. Hopefully, I would think so. >> Okay. Again, thank you for your presentation. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you again, everyone. >> Yes. Oh, absolutely. >> I don't have any questions, David. I
just want to say thank you to Representative Blanco, Representative Joseph, and Senator Jones's office, and Senator Jones for the warm welcome this past January, your advocacy. I know I saw the process. I saw all the hard work it was just to get to that finish line. And I know you share our disappointment with that veto pen. And I know you
you'll work hard for us next year. I will be seeing you all. We'll uh representative uh I won't be seeing you, but hopefully we'll see you in the governor's office, but I will be seeing the rest of you in Tallahassee this January. And thank you, David, as well for all you do. I saw the hard work. I
saw, you know, the the miles you put on those shoes around Tallahassee. That is not a small place to walk around. >> And as Commissioner Amler said, I also put some mileage on my hair, the color. >> Got it. >> And one one more thank you. I want to thank uh Representative Blanco for uh
his advocacy for the country of Venezuela to get both tur task force one and task force 2 out the door and the great work that they did there for over a week. I just want to thank you for that. I know that was hard work working the department of state to do that. So, >> and Mr. Manager, I will sit with you. Thank you so much, Commissioner, and for you for coming up as well. Uh Mr.
Manager, if you we'll at some point sit down if you have any questions. We'll we'll figure out, you know, uh some time to sit down and and be able to work this very important issue out. Sound good? >> Sounds great. Thank you, David. Appreciate >> you. Thanks.
>> All right. Uh let's move along to uh public comments. We'll start here at the uh the log cabin. Uh remember, you have three minutes. Please adhere to the three minutes. We have a long agenda, guys, tonight. Thank you.
Good evening. David Raymond, 11520 Northeast Night Avenue. When I started talking about this issue to some of you, I did not need glasses to do so. So, um, you know, I just I just want you to know, you know, um, I I bought swamp land here. You know, they say you sell
can sell swampland in Florida. I worked my way through college selling real estate and I worked for this guy who was a Holocaust survivor and he used to buy back lots from people who thought they bought swamp land over these developments in in Collier County. Cape Coral, Golden Gates estates. These
people thought they bought swamp land and it turned out to be okay other than a couple of times a year when it was flooded. >> Well, that's our property. our property if the drains aren't cleaned. >> We are key. >> It's okay,
>> David. Your time has stopped. All right, you're good. >> Well, it's not, but it's still going. >> But um Okay, so our property when it when it rains a lot and the drains are not cleaned, we have literally cars bobbing down our street. They get stranded there. The police have to come
and put barricades. People move them. So, some of you have heard this before. Some of you had heard it so many times you don't want to hear it again. But for those of you who haven't, this is why I'm constantly advocating for the drains to be cleaned. So, um, I've been asking the question, I'm I'm referring to
what's in this commission agenda packet is letter to commission, which is four four pages of when I worked for the county, I used to call this baffle them with BS. Sorry, Al, but there's so much in here. I don't know if you've even read this, no less the contract, but
what's in here? Basically, I only asked two questions. When were the drains last cleaned and when were they supposed to be cleaned? And instead, there's a whole dissertation in here. And I've called some of you. Um, Brian, I know before you got elected, we talked about the drains. You said you're going to be on it. I've called you. Didn't get a call
back. I called Jonathan. I didn't get a call back. I did speak to Art, who spoke to the manager and clarified a few things, and I greatly appreciate that. And Vero um emailed me as well. So, um, this this particular letter to commission that you have in here,
basically what what I was asked to do a public records request for was put onto all these pages. Um, and and it says it says a lot, but it says a lot about this contract which expired in May. The
contract with the drain company expired. And my question to the attorney, if he's online, is can this be renewed without commission approval? I I don't know, but I don't see it on the agenda for tonight. So, right now, we have a drain contractor who's, I believe, still
cleaning drains. He did one round, and I understand that the gentleman had health problems. I'm really sorry to hear that. I've dealt with health problems myself this year. It's no fun. But my question is, you know, does he have the capacity to do this? Because it was supposed to be done months ago. the contract's now
expired. Is the contract being renewed? Um, and will the commission need to approve that? So, um, this this issue actually got me so riled up. I actually considered running for commission, but God bless you. I don't have the heart to do what you all are doing here. Um this
this four pages also says that the the um at one point it says that there's no information about the frequency of when the storm drains would be cleaned but in another section it quoting the contract it says annual inspection and cleaning
of catch basin store manholes. Uh recording the sediment depth in each structure. I don't think that's happening. I know my time's out but some of it got used. Okay. Um, and and then there's a whole thing in here about how we it we had a drought this year, so the
drains didn't need to be cleaned. The drains don't need to be cleaned of water. They need to be cleaned of dirt. It doesn't matter if we had a drought. And the issue is that the drain company was called in January. We've budgeted $30,000 a year. My understanding has been, and I met with the manager when he
first got here. who was gracious enough to meet with me on his first or second week and I talked to him about this and we've all talked about it about the drains being cleaned twice a year and $30,000 being budgeted for it. That's not apparently what's in the contract. I'm not sure what's in the contract. I
can't I can't access it. What's online doesn't include all the attachments. Um but I will tell you this, you all are up here representing us and supposedly reading over all of these contracts. Um there's one on the on the agenda tonight
um 9D for planting the trees that has gone up like 20some thousands and I'm all for planting the trees but in there it says the frequency of the watering shall be determined. When I was on the parks and parkway committee that was in the contract it was you know the first week it was every day and then it went
to this much and that much. That's that's not in the contract. I point that out to say I know it's a pain. I worked in government, but your job is to read all these things before you pass them. So, I hope that you do that. And one last thing on the question that you asked our lobbyist
here and the representatives, when I ran the Department of Children and Families down here and we would get these big budget cuts, foster care, food stamps, the way we would address it, we would do these budget exercises, but we would make it known to everybody how important it was. Nobody wants to come to budget
meetings, right? They're like snoozefest. But if you tell people this is going to affect your property tax, there might be assessments, there might be this, there might be that, they will show up anyway. Thank you. >> Thank you, Dave. Anybody else comments?
Please step up to the microphone. >> Please state your name and address for the record. >> Good evening. My name is Oralon 1032 Northeast 111 Street. Uh I also have a a problem like like him uh drainage and flooding. I understand
now there is a project going on on uh drainage. I been in contact with uh Commissioner Barrow and this uh village manager and I was told that the end of the road where I live I live on the close to the railroad tracks the ugly
part of the city. I live there. Uh it was going to start soon and now I understand it's not going to start that soon. I would like to see or have any update on the project. Uh if it's possible to give it to me please.
Um he can address it once the all the public comments are. If he'd like to address it right after the public comments, he can address you. Um we'll we'll address >> who who's he? >> The manager can answer you. >> Yeah. Once once public comments are are
>> Thank you, sir. >> Anybody else have any comments here? >> No public comment. Okay, you you want to read the public comment? You have a you have something for >> We have a public comment for um Melanie
Oliver. Dear Mary, commissioners, regarding the traffic accident on Monday on 6th and 121st. This was one of multiple we witnessed in 12 years, including one when I saw a motorcyclist fly through our trees. Each time an accident occurs, which is sometimes once
a week, we speak with our neighbors, Anna, who's across the way, who was terrified that a car would go through her baby's bedroom. It's it almost happened before. I know there's a safer street project underway and I'm truly
appreciative of that. Oh my god, Shy. And we've recently asked different commissioners to make this intersection safer, and it gets nowhere. I'm cautious. I'm cautiously optimistic. Please note that the comprehensive safety action plan shows only 10
accidents on 121st and six in in the past 5 years compared to the 23 that happened on 119th and sixth. I don't believe this is a full picture. We always we're always home and we believe that there is more accidents on 121st and 6 than 119. Many of the cars ends up
a few feet into North Miami side. So, North Miami police respond. Please include their numbers. Also, we've we're afraid to mow our lawns in the swell and take out our trash. We love the idea of putting a a lamp post on 119, which will
help both of these dangerous intersections. On another note, our village manager is no longer giving residents answers to simple questions, but tells us to make public record requests. This may be why we have to go from one full-time clerk to two
full-time and one part-time clerk. For instance, I was charged $100 for a record request in February and was asked and I asked him why two healthy non-invasive North Fork pines was cut down by my home when all red arbitras
chafller tree. Instead of answering this, he told me to make a public record request. Was this a mislabel or a mistake or a cover up to justify none to invasive trees to be removed? Whose job is it to oversee the vendors when they
are doing their job? Why no one cares to respond to these questions which I've asked multiple times? The trees and the animals of our village deserve more than that. as a a public record request as now are now the only way we can get answers.
Residents deserve full transparency around the this process. Questions that she asked was where did my $100 go? Why was I charged this time and not before? What questions justifies a public record
request? And why are we paying our childress to know to know in what communications? I don't want to waste Pima time with this. I do expect our village manager to be transparent to
know what's going on and what he's managing and I expect the commission to evaluate his performance and hold him accountable. Thank you. >> All right. Is there anybody on Zoom that uh has any comments?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. G, Gage, you have a comment? Go ahead. Hi, sorry I'm late. I was I was listening on Zoom gate charts on 1029 northeast on 14th. Um just two things. David's report that he got back from the um the the state legislature that you know of everything. Can we get
a copy of that? Can that be made public to the to the residents? I'd just like to, you know, get an idea of everything that was done. And then um the other thing too is there's the thing about no permits under $7,500. Uh I believe that we are not that does not apply to us
because we are in a flood zone. So I just want to make sure that's clear that you know that's that sounds great but um but we are you know we do require permits because we're we're in a flood zone. So um I know that was mentioned during the report. So and that that was it. Thanks.
>> All right. Thank you. Thank you, Gage. Um do we have anybody on Zoom or No, nobody on Zoom. All right. All right. Then we'll close uh public comment. Um, does any uh commissioner want to reply to any uh comments made?
>> So, I have I'm working on two items for August. Actually, I'm going to put them on my commissioner's report. One of them has to do with public record request. Um, and the other one has to do with the meeting that just uh been scheduled uh
this past couple of weeks. Um, the public record request addresses Melany's comment. I already spoke with her um because she put us all in the copy of that public record request she's talking about. Um, David, I hear you. That's part of my
point on public record request. I don't think we need to go to the extent of having that uh put together and LTC. None of them. I mean, I think it's a simple question to the manager to be answered. sometimes we have to go through bags of stuff and I and I know
there's a lot going on but um I concur with you and I'm hoping that all of us can talk about how to make that easier for residents um in a way and then thank you so much for staying on top of this. I really don't know the answer.
That's the thing. So I'm very glad you came here and that's an answer for the manager to give you status. You worry about your corner. You want your corner to be done. I know that we've talked about it. Um, so hopefully the manager can address, you know, based on your address what that looks like. Um, that's
it. >> Any other any other >> Okay. >> Uh, just that I'm sure there is an update for your project. I'm sure that like to give the manager the time to update you on it. I know I don't know your specific address to know where you fall on the the the project plan, but I'm sure he can touch on that and I
would love to hear the update on it. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm aware of your address because you've come here before and we've talked about this before uh some time ago. I probably two managers ago or a manager ago. Yeah. Yeah, I remember. And I know where you live out by the
railroad track. Um so, uh Mr. Manager, do you have that information that you can provide him now or or can or can you get it for him and provide it to him? Uh >> yeah, I I've been in constant contact with him and I I I speak to him almost on a weekly basis. >> Okay.
>> But all I provided him the update and he said he wanted to escalate it to the next uh um step and we was going to call the mayor and commission. >> Okay. >> Because he wasn't happy. So that's what it is. >> And and can you tell us what that update is because I'm not aware of the update.
>> Yeah, I I I'll do it in my report. I got Perfect. All right. Great. Thank you very much. >> All right. Um, yes. Go ahead. >> To stay until the report is done from the manager to hear about it or >> that's coming up next. >> Be great. Okay.
>> Yeah. So, it's it's not going to take long. So, just give give us a second. We'll get to it. All right. Um, any other comments? Everybody good? Beautiful. All right. So, let's move along. Um, two reports. All right. So, first report is the village manager report.
So, uh, good good evening, um, Mr. Vice Mayor and members of the commission. I think the mayor is has was texting me saying he was going to try to jump online, but I'm glad to see everybody received a notice for this meeting this evening and also received a calendar invite. I I'd like to uh congratulate
Issa u on our parks and recreation department was successful fourth of July event. Uh this it was the first time in the village. I think we had a Fourth of July event that occurred on July 4th. It was a great success. The the the Swan family
uh took first place and and many of the uh uh many many of the partic Oh, I got a participation medal. Yeah. So uh uh and thank you for Commissioner Samaria. Commissioner Samriia uh had generously
donated um made a generous donation for the event and there was a a match from an anonymous donator uh to match Commissioner Samaria's fund. So that covered the expense of all the ribbons and the uh the event. So nothing came
out of our budget for this event. Um we hope I don't know if we're going to continue to make this a annual event. Uh it was so successful. uh Issa, but um I guess you can address that now if you want if this is going to be coming anywhere. But I know you look like you
were having a lot of fun and I saw the pictures and people were texting me after the event and how great it was. So, thank you very much. >> And definitely want to give a super shout out to the police department um for being there in full force and keeping everybody safe. Had about 26 people um who showed up, families of all
ages, some runners, some walkers. Um, everybody got a participation medal that just says 4th of July 2026 250th anniversary. Um, we took pictures, we had refreshments. Um, but what I want to say what came from that. I want to turn this into a quarterly walk run event
where we will going forward we'll invite different boards to participate. Um, and just kind of have this talk and dialogue time. I think that's what everybody enjoyed the most out of it. The walkers really had a good time just chatting along the walk and knowing they could walk in the street freely because we had police in front and back of us. Um the
runners ran ahead. I ran ahead with the some of the runners but they burned me. Um so the young girls really they they took it serious. And what also came from that is some of the walkers want to start a walk club. So I have two representatives who are going to spearhead that. And then the runners who
are running want to start a run club. So have two representatives, all village residents who are going to spearhead those clubs and it will just be something we kind of put out there. And if you want to have people to walk with, we'll meet at a location. If you want to have people to run with, you meet at a location. If nobody shows up, you you
know, it's just an opportunity for people to socialize and um meet their neighbors. So it turned out great. Got everybody out of there so they go start their barbecue. Um no injuries, safe, and it was a wonderful event. So thank you, Commissioner um for sponsoring that. and the anonymous uh donator as
well. So everything turned out wonderful. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> You were not there. >> All right. Go ahead. Uh >> yeah. So Mr. Vice Mayor, also on Saturday, June 27th, uh we had a little traffic safety study workshop here in
the in the log cabin. The consultant, Kimberly Horn, had hosted that workshop. Uh the residents uh were able to voice their concerns within the traffic safety. Uh the Anderson's here. Thank thank you for attending. Uh survey is still online on the village website and
will be a available to July 15th. I encourage all our residents to complete that survey. Uh I thank Commissioner Huntington, Commissioner Gonzalez, Commissioner Angel for attending event and providing your uh uh input. Uh and during the workshop, the police chief
pro provided some traffic citation statistics that were inaccurate. And we're going to ask him to come up and to set the rate record straight about those uh those um the statistics that were mentioned during the um during the
workshop. I think it's it's uh it's important that we correct the record uh and make sure that anything that we're saying in the public is accurate. Uh and it's you know we had a police chief here that uh prior that uh went to federal
prison for the story and the truth and we certainly don't want to go back to that culture. So, we want to make sure everything that we're saying is accurate. And uh um sir, if you could just uh you and the next day uh several days after the workshop, the uh police
chief called me at home and said, "Hey, look, I I mis mispoke. I I gave the wrong information. I want to correct the record." And we have contacted the consultant already, but we want to um now the first opportunity that we had to correct the the record.
Uh good evening to all. Um Carlos A, the chief of police uh Biscane Park. So at that uh at that meeting a lot of questions were being thrown around and at some point out of the blue I was asked about how many citations uh we had
written in in in a time span and it was a one-year span between between May and May. We didn't have those numbers. So I immediately asked uh the captain to go ahead and get the computer and let's start going through it. We're trying to go through it as as quickly as possible. And the number we came up with, I
believe, was 8,365. Even after I said it, the number wasn't sitting well with me. And after the meeting was over, I went ahead and I told the captain, "We need to go ahead and do an audit right now. That number doesn't sound right. That it just just didn't didn't sound right." One thing is
to have encounters, and the other one is to have the actual uh tickets. Um, obviously it was my mistake for not not double-checking, but the total amount was actually 3,831
and which is a lot. It's still a lot. And that's why I was concerned after I said what I said because there's something going on that I that I know that publicly nobody else knows and and I know that we're way ahead of
everybody around us close by. And that wasn't the number. So, we went ahead and contacted Tracks, and that's the computer system that that tracks all our all our stats to to make sure that I was corrected. And I ended up being corrected.
>> Is that through May or June? >> That was between May of 2025 and May of 2026. >> Full year >> for for a full year between May and May. the numbers may change between June and June and >> you know that that kind of thing. But but yeah, I I was I don't know whether I
was dyslexic at the time. I looked at the number. The number that was written down was the 8 8,365. Um so >> one one more question. Do you do do you guys um uh measure and uh when you see somebody and give them a warning, is
that all >> Yes. Yes, that's that's counted in there also because that is a traffic stop for a traffic violation. Yes. And I mean I have the exact numbers now if >> okay >> u if you need it but the the total contacts uh contacts
with a civilian driver uh was a total of 3,831. >> Okay. Thank you so much for just coming and saying that makes mistakes. It's absolutely okay. And there was so much pulling at that meeting of, you know,
give us a number. Why am I I mean, >> yeah, >> these are usually exercises you come from, you know. >> Listen, I didn't sleep that night. I didn't sleep that night concerned about the number that I gave out. >> I appreciate you just coming and I don't think it's I mean, it's and is an error.
As long as you come here and just stated, it's corrected and I appreciate that. And to be honest with you, the only thing that kept it wasn't so much the number. I remember it was over 8,000. I was like, "Wow, nobody's going to want to, you know, do anything in this area because we got the numbers to prove it." But
>> the truth is how the main thing was how to connect that data. And I think I brought it up with the study in a way and I know you mentioned this is people Yeah, it's very hard because it's going to have to be it's going to have to be a hand search >> because that's not something that is
actually tracked. >> Yes. >> In the computer. And unfortunately now everything is a computer. We we've been basically shut down. They don't want anything >> in the state of Florida that's that's handwritten. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, if if they don't do it,
then we have to do it one by one. >> And it's like providing and again, I don't know how it works. I'm just, you know, throwing it out there. I don't know what this means, but just I know it's public records. Certain stuff has to be public record. I don't know what except don't know. But having the vendor
maybe utilize all this data them themselves doing the job of >> you talking about the vendor the state of Florida. >> Yeah. >> They're not a vendor >> 3,000 data points that you have just hand it over the vendor say can you map this with your data?
>> They won't do it for one city. That that's not something that they do. That's it's not something that I could ask them to do because they that that would be >> a lot of work. >> Yeah. Yeah. And if they do it for, for example, we're small. >> We write more tickets than our
surrounding agencies. >> Yeah. >> So if a big agency decided like the city of Miami or Miami date county that they wanted to go ahead and ask tracks to do that, which is a state agency. >> Yes. >> Uh they would probably start laughing. >> Yeah. >> I think I don't I and maybe I'm wrong,
but I don't think you're talking about the state. I think you're talking about the vendor that's currently working on this project. My my exact my idea was you have data that currently um we know where the issues are because you have the data showing it. This vendor is
>> residents. Yes. >> Correct. So the vendor is grabbing all the data from residents. What are your concerns from different ways? Is there a way to connect those? Just give them to the vendor and say we are going to do the job. It might be an extra budget to consider. I don't know what it is, but
>> the tracks is the organization and tracks is a state organization. They won't they're not going to do that for us. >> They're not going to break it down. >> No. >> No. Okay. >> All right. >> No. All right. >> I mean, but we don't have that many accidents. I can give you the accidents where they're occurring >> because that's how they're getting
they're getting copies of the accidents. >> That one is simple. Traffic ticket and accidents are two different things. >> Yes. They're tracking it on the on their little map and whatnot. >> It's just a bigger scope. >> Yeah. And >> yeah, >> and to give you an idea, 6th Avenue
obviously is the big one. >> Yeah. >> Is is the big one. Uh, you know, when we move away from 6th Avenue and we go in the interior because people are complaining to people are running stop signs. Then obviously I focus like a fireman, there's a fire, so I send the firemen there to put out the fire. Then
they complain about Sixth Avenue. So I I got to move I I have to move around. I only have two guys at one time. >> Yeah. I'm lucky if I have four because I'll have a couple of reserves. So, I need to put out the fire wherever the complaints are coming in and that's >> Thank you, Carlo. You're welcome.
>> Just that I have you. Congrats because the feedback I get is that you're very visible >> and so I think with the numbers you just said there's bigger than other municipalities. I think that speaks volumes. So, >> thank you. >> Working. Thank you, Carlos. Um do you
have a number uh as far as how many people have actually participated already in the uh in the survey? Do you know what that is? Do we know? >> Um as the last number I got was about 67 >> 67 people >> 69 and but uh we we're going to close it
as I announced uh we're about to close it. So we would ask people to you know go ahead and go on the website and finish that survey. >> All right. Go ahead. So, is there going to be an a communication? You're saying until was it deadline 15th? Is that
>> 17th? >> The 17th. So, you're pushing out until the 17th as a reminder. Is that what it is? >> Um, Vice Mayor, can I answer that? >> Yes, absolutely. >> Yeah. So, we're we're trying we're trying I'm saying it tonight,
Commissioner Ams. So, I'm trying to get the message out tonight with my report that uh we're closing in on the 17th. >> Okay. So, I'm just going to propose it since we have I know you're putting on the website since we have and all of
that and we have few weeks left. >> Yeah, I think has already done that. ESA has already done that. >> I saw it. I saw it. >> Yes. >> Visibility you given 66 people out of the village. I mean I I have to say that you know it's not as representative I
was expecting compared to the study we did um for strategic planning session the whole thing. I know it took longer to collect data was a different project but you know maybe that would help people just show up and share the comments. So I appreciate that.
>> Vice Mayor can I continue with my report? >> Finish. Thank you. our pro um with respect to our projects on stormwater projects um the one on 112 street has begun. Uh the residents were uh that were available were individually spoken
to and notices were hand delivered to each of the properties on 112th street. Uh as you're you're aware this project is being funded by ARPA funds and we're under time constraints to finish the project timely so that the ARPA funds
will be uh fully funded this project when the storm order projects were first uh um developed back in 19 uh 2021 which your property was included. uh that was all one huge project and I think I
explained this to the commission before and I explained it to you also uh but that because of because of uh of the time it's took now to get to permitting and everything that projects now has developed uh it was originally $1
million now it's $2 million the whole those that whole project so we had to bifocate it to one project using ARPA funds and then one project using the state appropriations funds. Uh so that second project is is included in your
pro your home. Uh that that the reason we did 112th Street first is because 112th Street by the consultant said that was the the area that they felt was uh most critical uh to that needed the
most. And um um so the the 112 street was was split and that's that project was started first. Um the second project they're still in the the design phase. It's about 90% completed. Um we're going
to hopefully be going into permitting finish design going into permanent and then award the contract. So, we're not look we're not uh and I told the uh the resident that we're looking to probably about December 31st before uh the end of
December that we're uh be awarding the contract be brought before you for consideration for that contract >> this December. >> This December. Yes, sir. >> Okay. Okay. >> That's that's where that that project is. And then once that's approved then how what's the pro what's the like >> then once the project once the contract
is awarded then we would meet with the design team and the uh and start uh going as we did in this project. Yeah. we go will go out to the residents and start notifying them that the um project has been approved been awarded a
contract get a starting date and issue the then once again have a agreement with the church so we can stage all the uh equipment there >> right >> and then uh move forward. So >> okay so you anticipate that this will be done fully done by the end of by by next
year >> by 2027 >> yes >> yes yes it will >> right so December third And then >> and also commissioner vice mayor because we those are state appropriations funds and there's time constraints on those right >> they need to be
>> okay >> reported and they're you know spent >> okay >> by 27. All right. >> All right. So, um um the FPNL the public works storage building the FPNL disconnect has occurred. Uh demolition of the building will be occurring as
soon as the I'm glad the chair of the planning board's here because that's coming before you uh to go ahead and approve the demolition of that uh of that building. And once that's approved by by the planning board, then the building department can issue the demolition permit. uh
village hall re-roofing project is moving forward. You have an item on the agenda this evening to approve the second most responsive bidder since the first bidder, the shingle shanks were not approved by Miami date county project approval and that would take another six months to get approval. And
we're also waiting for state historic division to give approval to move forward. We talked to them this this afternoon. Uh they're short staffed. And that's why it's taken so long for the state to get approval from the historic division. Um the planting the trees for
the Steinberg grant uh we had to go along with the second bidder. The negotiations broke down with the first bidder. Uh that's on the agenda this evening also. And once that's approved, we hope that he will be they will begin on Monday to start uh planting the
trees. Then we have the tree trimming grant project. uh quot received for the first three projects that we identified. The uh project number one is the two mediums east of the log cabin. Uh we're going to trim the trees back on on on
those two mediums. The medium on 113 13th street from 6th Avenue to 9inth Avenue and all the and as a second project, we're going to trim the trees back on those. And then the third project is all of 10th Avenue. So, we've
gotten three quotes for um for contractors and we're going to go ahead and uh award those contractors within my spending authority and will not need to go out to the bid. Uh you heard uh you heard the disappointing uh news this
evening about our request for state money, the two projects that we felt were very important for the village. The playground equipment is an emergency and we'll be placing a request uh this year's upcoming budget to fully fund that project. Our budget process is uh
is underway and as the finance director and I have begun meeting with department directors in preparation for the budget uh workshops that begin in August and then the two budget hearings in September. Uh we will once again try to reduce the overall spending of the
village at the same time increase our level of service. We had a former police officer that uh with the village of Piscane Park that recently passed away and um Commissioner Samaria, Commissioner Gonzalez, I think you both attended the services and uh it
was a very sad event. U my my son knew him very well. I think Commissioner Samrian will be speaking more about that uh during his report and our our thoughts and prayers are with the family. On the agenda this evening um is
also an LTC that speaks about the recent training exercise that the police chief host hosted with all the department heads and our insurance consultant in preparation for the hurricane season. The LCTC notes that I have appointed the police chief as the director of emergency operations to streamline the
processes and ensure that we are operating at a high level of effectiveness and efficiency during times of emergency. Uh we hope that we're not faced with any emergency situation, but if we are, we're well prepared. Mr. Vice Mayor, that's the end of my report. I know the mayor is on has
logged on to the Zoom now. >> I'm sorry, I didn't What did you say? >> That's the [clears throat] end of my report and the mayor has logged on. He's logged on on the Zoom. >> All right. Hi, >> Evening everybody. I didn't want to interrupt the flow. Apologies for being late. We hit some traffic on the way back. So, sorry about that, but happy to
be here with everyone. >> All right. Shall we continue? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. So, uh on to code. Uh I'm sorry. >> Buildings. Buildings. Anybody have any questions on the building? >> All right. Go to code. Does anybody have
any questions on code? >> Nice. Parks and wreck. >> I have no questions. Like again, I just want to thank Issa for what you did on um for the July 4th. And I look forward to talking to you and the city manager and hopefully North Miami mayor in
reference to the 911. Hopefully, we're going to be trying to do something with the city of North Miami combined with that. So, we'll be talking more about that. If you do that as much as well, you did this, I'll be very happy. Again, thank you.
>> Right. Um, police department. We already heard from Carlos, but do anybody have any other questions for Carlos? No. Carlos, you're off the hook. All right. Um, public works.
Any questions? Public works. >> All right. Uh, the CIP report. Do you want to go through that or or we just >> it's it's there posted >> it's there for your I gave the
highlights of of that report from in my report. >> Great. >> All right. So then that goes through reports. All right. So let's do uh commission reports. Uh who would like to kick that off? >> Well before I start off with this I want to say in reference to
>> Thanks. I always when I first met Nick, he never liked to be called by his last name because nobody never get it right. So I know I'm gonna mess it up tonight. So Nick, forgive me. I hope my fellow commissioners, members of our police department along with the residents of
Biscane Park will join with me today to honor and remember the like life the life of Nicholas Nick W. I apologize I got it wrong. A dedicated public servant, respected law enforcement off leader, and a steadfast
advocate for the safety and well-being of communities he served. Nick devoted his career to protect others. During his years with the village of Biscane Park, he served with distinguished as a police officer, commander, and chief of police.
His leadership was defined by his professionalism, integrity, and his gentle comm community generally commun commitment to serving the residents of Biscane Park. Retirement from Biscane Park did not mark the end of his commitment to public
service. Instead, Nick continued to dedicate himself to making Florida's roads and communities safer through his work with the Florida Department of Transportation as a law enforcement layon. In that role, he worked closely with law enforcement agencies and
community partners to advocate traffic safety initiatives, reduce roadway fatalities, promote education, and strengthen group efforts that help protect countless lives. His passion for public service extended far beyond his
badge, reflecting a long lifelong desire to make meaningful differences in the communities he serve. Nick's legacy is one of service, leadership, and compassion. His work touched the lives of fellow
officers, public officials, first responders, and citizens throughout Florida. The impact of his dedication will continue to be felt through the safer communities he helped build and the many professionals he mentored and inspired. As we reflect on Nick's life,
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responders and public service professionals. We honor his memory by engaging open conversation supporting one another without judgment and reminding those who may be struggling that they are never alone. Seeking help
is an act of courage and every life is inviable. to his family, friends, colleagues, and anyone lives he touched by his service. We extend our deepest sympathy and heartfelt prayers. May you find comfort in the memories you share.
Strengthen one another. Peace in knowing that Nick's legacy of service will endure generations to come. Rest in peace, Nick. Thank you for your unwilling dedication, your leadership, your lifelong commitment to protecting
and serving others. Your work made our community safer. Your example inspired those around you and your legacy will never be forgotten. >> Thank you. >> Very, very nice words. Uh >> dedications if anybody copies of that if
anybody wants them. Thank you. >> I I always uh try to figure out why Nick was a police officer cuz he was just the nicest guy. I don't know. I The guy didn't have >> Yeah. No, you're you're okay. But I mean, he was seriously the sweetest,
most humblest, nicest uh and and uh yeah, he he will certainly be uh greatly missed. So, I appreciate those words uh from you. >> Uh anybody anybody else? >> Want to say, Commissioner, thank you for your words. That was very kind of you
and I share my condolences with the Wolf Logger family. And a question to the my fellow commissioners and the manager. Maybe we can find a way to honor former uh officer Wols logger. Maybe dedicate a police car in his memory graphic on the car. Uh as a good uh municipal adjuster to the family.
>> I just just set the >> can't do that. >> Just set the record straight. There's a there's a problem with that. I would prefer to let your idea because I think same idea you had but this um I would rather have
How about >> I'll leave it this uh we'll find a way for the police department to honor him in the way they find fit. >> There you go. That's >> perfect. I like that idea. All right. Great. Uh Commissioner Hemsler, anything?
>> Um just sharing some of the stuff I've been working on. So, um I don't know if any of you, and this is a question open for everybody, have heard about South Florida Water Management District. They decided they were going to come and do a workshop for the residents of the
village if you remember somewhere in February. They did reach out. They say they were open to come. I don't know, Mr. Manager, if you've heard from them. Have they made themselves available to come or no? >> Vice Mayor, can I answer that? >> Yes, absolutely.
>> So, um, yes, I I've had numerous conversations with them. In fact, they're they're bringing a um I'm bringing an item um hopefully next month that they're going they were wanting to use the lot that's on uh 6th Avenue. They're going to stage some equipment
there to start cleaning the canal. Um so they're have an interlocal agreement with us to use that that lot um that is going to come before you for approval. Um, but they've been they've been working on uh the design of the the dam.
They just said they're not ready to come back and have any community meeting yet. >> I'm sorry. Which lot are you referring to? >> The lot. The lot on >> on Griffing on on sixth. >> Six. >> Yeah. On on six and the light. >> Oh, okay. Got it. Got it. Got it. By the bridge. >> Yes. Yes. They want to use that that as
a staging area for equipment and to uh start cleaning the canal in preparation for their the the dam. >> I sure hope we share that with the residents that are around. >> Well, it has to come before you. So then you'll we'll have to come before this commission for agreement, but once
they're in the process of drafting up the agreement. Okay. >> Right. So I was wondering so we had that that uh workshop was supposed to be about this plan that they have of expansion on uh right here right by the golf course and you know what the construction would do and they had a
commitment to come. So I'm wondering you know in your conversations they haven't mentioned any of that. They're saying they're not ready to have a talk. Okay. All right. So I think that um Mary's just a check in because uh that's going to affect us for a few years over here.
people need to know. Um, uh, animal services for Miami date county. We're hoping to come this month. It might come next month. They really have been great on just offering help, you know, communication, flyers, whatever might be a mobile TVR is what I proposed. I wanted them to
explain to you all what that will mean for the village. Um, so hope hopefully they can make it for for August. Uh, and then I've been working on two different items. I'm going to put them as public records. One of them I think it important. One of them relates to
chapter uh 119. Um these are chess foot for thoughts. These are going to be in the August agenda. I'm going to give it as public record for the clerk. Um this is just to make you guys think about what this means for the village. I think there is policy that we need to work
around chapter 119 and how that gets applicable to everybody fairly, timely. um you know as per the law requires I've had multiple conversations about this with the manager uh with the attorney um
I think we are due to have a conversation seriously about how to address it at a v village level so here are some very draft I'm going to share it manager if you can pass that to the clerk to make it a public record um and
if you can please provide a copy for my fellow commissioners that's one. The second has to do I just wanted to set so Albert you put a TLC uh TLC that's the channel LTC LTC about the
meetings that happened my recollections are very different than yours so I'm welcome to sit down with you and understand you know your records and mine don't match but so I I felt it was important for me to put on the record what I meant what I said what sort of communications have happened around the
two meetings I want to be here at every meeting whenever whenever I can. Um, so I'll make myself available when I know it's coming. Um, and having that said, um, there is a conversation that usually goes around and how that gets set up, how we address it. Um, at least on my
end that has, you know, my experience of how we've done it and how this was treated has been different. So, I'm going to also give it to you as a public record. So, it's a special meeting procedures and availability confirmation and notice requirements. This is just a proposition for policy. Again, it's a
draft. It didn't make it to the deadline this month. Um, I might change it, add to it. I need to check with the attorney. It's not finalized, but it's in essence something I want you guys to be ready for August meeting because it's
coming. So, that's also for the public record. And if you can just give a copy to my um fellow commissioners. And I think that covers the the most of it. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you, Jonathan. You have
anything for the commission? >> No. No, sir. Not this evening. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Um, so what else do we have? That's it. We're done with reports. Um, I'm sorry.
>> Okay. All right. So, uh, we move on to consent agenda. Is there a motion uh uh to approve as amended? >> I I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as amended. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I
>> Perfect. >> All right. So, we're uh into our ordinances. All right. Uh John, you're up. >> Um Mr. Vice Mayor, we had discussed uh when we were setting the agenda that we would uh take up the discussion right
now of the um uh two items that were um pulled by Commissioner Amsor regarding the minute the minutes. That would be 9H and 9 I. >> All right. So, thank you for paying attention because I forgot already. and and I and I believe, excuse me, I
believe at least one of the items is her desire to change her vote um uh in the minutes uh with respect to uh the uh ordinance and resolution uh adopting the new uh purchasing policies and procedures.
>> Okay. >> Sorry, I didn't understand that. >> Can you repeat, John, what you just said? >> Yes, Commissioner Amsler. One of the I one of the u one of the minutes that you have pulled um is to uh change your vote
>> correct >> on the agenda item that would uh took place I believe it's the minutes of the regular commission meeting of June 9th 2026 on the ordinance and resolution uh adopting the new purchasing policies and procedures to show a no vote.
>> Correct. >> Okay. And because I pulled those out of consent agenda, are we visiting to talk about these minutes later on or this is the time to do that? >> Now the time now is the time. So unless there's something else that you have with regard to H, I would assume the
discussion would be regarding the uh item I but that >> so I do have it. And so my my whole thing is we continue to have issues with minutes in general. There's a lot of stuff missing. Um there I'm still pending October, November, and December.
The commission majority um accepted to amend. So I I wanted to put it out there that you know it's it's now July. Those are still missing there. And so I there is we need to do something about this. So uh John um I know we're talking about
incipient policy and you know and we're touching agenda procedures. I think a conversation needs to be happening about incipient position. sorry incipient policy I think you call it and what them means in terms of formatting and
expectations regarding minutes um at this stage uh I would ch I'm not approving for for them to move forward as a whole I think they need to be revised to reflect the record for everybody um I'm I'm speaking on myself but I know there there's several of them
they're missing um and so um that is my proposal I don't know again procedural let me know if There's something else I need to do. >> All right. But before we we we we're going to get into this 9bh and I, right? Is that >> Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. I'm
talking about both 9H and 9 I >> I pull both out of consent. >> Y BH and I, right? >> Um I have 9H and 9 I. Do you have a different number? >> The the resolution will we will put in the back end. >> Okay. Great. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got
it. So right right now all we're talking about are the minutes. >> Yes, we're we're just talking minutes. So you have the same number as me. Uh Art, right? 9H and I >> 9 H and I Before we get started, I'd like to make a motion that we limit uh debate to our uh to five minutes as as
we already have that rule in place. Um I have an agenda I have an item later that we're going to discuss about extending that to 10 minutes. But since we already have the five minutes, I'd like to make a motion that we limit debate to five minutes. And if somebody feels that they need an additional additional time, um
they can make a motion and ask for an additional two minutes, I would say, per request. Um but I think we we need to stick to we have a very long agenda and we need to stick to the five minutes. >> I I'll second it. >> All right. >> I have a question. You talk about five minutes per person as it's on the
resolution now. >> Yeah. Uh yes, five minutes per person. It's already we've already uh >> No, it's on the wrestle. Yeah, I get it. I was just making sure that's what it is. >> So, five minutes. >> Yes. >> Um and I further would also further ask that uh somebody from the uh staff um
keep track. >> Okay, perfect. Great. All right. Um All right. So, then let's get started. Um then we're we're going to be discussing 9H. Correct. >> Those are the two that I pull out of consent. Uh just um >> All right. So yeah,
>> Commissioner Hamzer, you you have the stage. >> I thought I did. Um, so I my my point with John was I'm so I'm making a motion to um how do you say um defer those meetings so that they reflect the actual
uh discussions uh accurately because the only record that remains for the commission about what happened is the minutes and this is an item that continues to come. So my proposal is
that on the next meeting I will have the opportunity to sit with the attorney to see if we can do something about the formatting that is expected and so this doesn't continue to happen and we need to address it openly and talk about it so we can fix it but I am a no vote to
move forward with this mid as they're standing >> for both 9H and 9i. >> Okay. So you're combining both of them. Okay. Perfect. So, does anybody else have any comments on HNI? >> No. >> I have one question. Can I just ask
exact exactly um what's what within those minutes uh Commissioner Ams or you're you're identifying as incorrect. >> Just so I know. >> Well, so uh Jonathan, hi first of all. Um so I have you know it's sort of the same situation we've been having um since uh I mentioned I don't know if
you've heard me. we still are missing October, November and December that we as a majority requested amended the same way and what you're asking me to point out is different aspects of four hours of meeting um that I'm not going to do.
Uh what I requested at the time this is the the job of the clerk you know you I understand now that that you know a lot of time goes by but we have a clerk and assistant clerk and and I think another vendor that helps the clerk. this needs to be solved. So I am just going to say
no not to extend the five minutes that I've been given um to your question. I think it's a question of staff um and and I invite you Jonathan or any of you to sit down and compare what you've said versus what's written um and you know
address if you see um they do reflect uh please let me know because maybe I'm just a pain uh and maybe it's true. So, you know, tell me because if you all are seeing something completely different and it's fine. Um, you know, maybe my expectations again
are not not within line. So, I'm happy to talk about that next meeting. >> Understood. >> That's it. >> Thank you. Go ahead. Small comment. >> Sorry, but Jonathan Jonathan was still Jonathan, you have anything any followup of that? >> I just want to know what we're what the motion on the floor is. I understand the motion is not to approve them, but then
following not approving the minutes, what are we doing with the minutes? We're asking staff to review them with the tape. Is that what we're doing? >> So, yes. So, that I made a motion to defer those minutes to the next agenda so that they Yes. So that they can reflect right the record.
>> Got it. All right. Point of order. Uh I'm confused. Okay. Uh attorney or city manager, explain to me what exactly is in the minutes. It's not, if I'm correct, it's not word for word what commissioners say, is it? I mean, just explain to me, you know, what exactly
the minutes? >> It's a it's a summary of of the um the action items that occurred here. It's not a verbatim transcript of the meeting, but it's a summary of what occurred. And the attorney probably could correct me if I said something wrong.
>> No, what the manager said is correct. Um when this issue first came up several me months back um I prepared a um rather detailed memo uh that got distributed to all the commissioners. I can
redistribute it uh uh um expanding upon what the manager just said which is absolutely correct. They are um action minutes uh our rules of procedure and Robert's rules of order. Uh and for that matter um state law chapter 119 the
public records law does not require verbatim minutes. Um they require action minutes which are brief summaries of what was discussed um and um how the item was voted up or down. Uh there are
some um uh the ability to for uh commissioners on a case-by case basis to ask for uh the minutes to specifically reflect how they voted or um the reason why they voted a particular way. But
overall um the minutes that are produced by the clerk are what are uh commonly referred to as action minutes uh and not verbatim uh minutes. Uh and you know at the end of the day it is the uh function
of the the commission by majority vote to approve um uh up or down any of the minutes or all of the minutes. Let me rephrase that. Let me make that very clear. all of the minutes including the three um that have been um uh held back
uh that the that Commissioner Amsler mentioned previously as well as now uh H and I obviously to the that to the extent that this was already discussed then in theory um to the extent that uh H&I are approved we already know that we
would modify the minutes of the commission meeting of June 9th 2026 to show a no vote by the commissioner on the uh ordinance and resolution uh pertaining to the uh uh purchasing manual uh purchasing manual and the policies and procedures.
>> Mr. Mr. Vice Mayor, thank you. Okay. So, I I respect any commissioner because we want to have the record straight. Um but I I I want to have I I know in reference to your vote vote changing votes because I've done it in the past myself and you have to come
to the next commission. But what the city me what the attorney just explained, maybe I'm confused, what exactly are you saying in reference to the minutes? So what you're saying is not showing up in the minutes because if that's the case, he just said that that's not what they do. So I I respect,
you know, I respect you that you want to have the record straight, but I'm just trying to, you know, I'm confused on what you are objecting to it. Is it what you had said in the commission meeting was not in the minutes? Again, if you can explain a little bit for that for me. Thank you. So, I think it's both and
we've already talked about it. So, I will let vice mayor tell me how much time I have because I >> I'm not I'm not keeping the time. Okay. The uh manager is about a minute left, >> right? So, you know, um this isn't new.
We've been talking about it and and what I keep saying is the exact same thing. The record needs to reflect the votes. You've heard me amend votes. They're missing. Um your comments might be addressed. minds are missing. Uh there is inaccurate information. There is um
whether it's the month or I mean you guys have the the meetings just like I do the minute to to see them. If you don't see in detail those differences that I'm noting and you're okay that you are maybe not stated correctly on the record then that's your your you know
you can address and I think what the attorney is saying is you can still move on and approve it. I just want to be on the record that it's not reflecting my vote because this continues to come up. Two things we voted to correct October,
November, December. It's that is seven months ago. Still are not coming forward. We voted if you remember going back to the fact the the the attorney is making at some point to have a format. I brought this item up as a commission
item. We agreed that it wasn't needed to put it in writing because staff was going to help and ensure that >> Fine, Vice Mayor. >> So, all I'm going to close with is we've had enough conversations. I propose ways to work around that. Um, continues to
happen and based on that, I'm not up for minutes. >> Mr. Huntington, >> uh, I just I just have two questions. Uh, for John. When you said, uh, it's to reflect what was discussed. By that you mean the resolution, the title of the resolution and and the body of that not
what I said to the b to the dis what the body of of the item was right the resolution >> that that essentially that is correct it's a you know the the title of the resolution or the ordinances uh in the minutes uh the person who made the
motion the person who seconded it uh a brief description of the item what the discussion was and then the vote Um and and that is uh historically um how the village has um provided it or or
produced its minutes. Um again that's consistent with your rules of procedure uh and Robert's rules of order um with the um uh I do believe that there are um two maybe three specific provisions
in your rules of procedure. I'd have to go back and take a look at the um um at the uh uh at them and my the memo that I produced where I think it basically stands for the proposition that a commissioner can ask that the that on a
particular item subject to the um approval of the entirety of the commission that the minutes reflect you know their opposition to or their um support of the particular item in um in in some
minimal greater detail uh is the best way I can describe it. Again, I I you know, I will recirculate that that memo um and to the extent that any of you all have any questions, obviously you you're free to to give me a call uh or to reach out to me and and we can discuss it
further. But ultimately, you you the the the commissioner Amler is is correct. you will have to at one point or another either vote up or down the um the the minutes um uh as they're presented to
you. Um, and you know, I I I don't know. Um, I I we can't, you know, to the extent that even though I'm not involved, but it's hard for um me to
understand what are any concerns that any commissioner may have regarding the minutes without some level of specificity. So, you know, we as staff can potentially go back and and look at that particular item. Um, you know, uh,
uh, and and I think that's reflected >> proposing, John, do you have a proposal? >> I had a second question. I hadn't finished yet. Uh, so my second question is, I'm not asking you to review H&I and and for detail, but is this a proper
example of an action item minutes? H&I. Is that the proper format? Are the things that are included you listed? Are they included in these? I'm not asking for for detail as as everything reflected, but is it a proper example of action item minutes? That's what I'm asking.
>> Um I I I haven't reviewed them in detail. I think that that's more a more appropriate question to be directed to the clerk and for her to answer since she is the one who produces the minutes. But historically in looking at um all of the minutes that I've seen as your
village attorney, what you have are um uh uh I would call appropriate action minutes. >> Well, I'll refer that question to the clerk. Clerk, are the these appropriate action item minutes? >> Yeah. So, let me let me answer that, Mr. Mayor. Oh, Commissioner, if I can vice
mayor, >> so our our our clerk, this is not her first job as a city clerk. She's worked for a number of different agencies and she's also uh certified as a as a clerk, master clerk and she has train has
training on taking minutes and if you look if you look at other minutes throughout the Miami day county they're there ours are are beyond summary minutes and she certainly is going uh be above what she's what she's entitled to
do. So, I think yes, she's doing exactly what uh what's required of her above what she's required to do. >> All right, guys. There's a motion on the floor to defer this to the next meeting. Uh let's I'm sorry. >> Yeah, there's no second. So, there's a motion.
>> Yeah. Okay. Is there a second? >> Can I as a point of order? Um >> you can ask for a motion to extend your time and then we'd have to agree to it. >> All right. >> Go ahead. If you would like. Can I uh have a minute to extend my time? >> Yes, sure. >> You you're good?
>> Yep. >> Good. Go ahead. >> Thank you. Um just to close up, I want to remind you this is the same clerk with experience that left us out of an entire year without minutes. One full year without minutes. We had to
hire a vendor for it. We currently have another vendor helping as a my address in the LTC's a consultant a second clerk and the same clerk with all the qualifications and we all agreed
on a certain way of proceeding. Um, having that said, um, John, I think, uh, to your point, you were not recluded for the previous conversations that we've had and the different discussions and you're asserting the right thing. Uh, the
minimum is met. You know, if you all feel that's comfortable, go ahead. That's it. Thank you. >> All right. So, there's a motion on the floor. Do we have a second? >> No second. You'll second it. So we have to vote.
Okay. So there So it just say >> all in favor? >> Yes. >> No. >> No. >> All right. So it dies, right? >> John, >> John. Okay. >> There's would be a no vote. So the
alternate action would be a motion to approve the minutes as presented if that is desire. John, we have a Jonathan. >> Jonathan yet. >> I I only heard two of the votes. >> So, it's tie right now. Yes. Two yeses and two nos.
>> All right. Well, I'll vote no because I'd like to just check for the accuracies then. >> Yeah. >> I'm sorry. >> Yes. My apologies. My apologies. Yes. To the motion. >> Thank you. >> All right. Perfect. Okay. So, then uh
what what what are we doing now? >> So, we're We're deferring to the next We're deferring to the next one. >> The ordinance. That is correct. >> Okay. >> Do you want me to read the title? >> No. No. Just Just one second. Uh point of order.
>> If we're going to move this over to I don't want this to go past next month. Yes. Okay. I mean, we did this for September, October, November, and I'm still trying to figure out how those minutes I thought we approved those minutes. October, November, whatever the month is. Correct me. We approved it. So, I don't understand what they're
saying. We haven't approved it. That's all I got to say >> that we're not approved. We're amended to the same way these two are amended. So there >> let's let's clear clarify this right now because the clerk saying we have commissioner saying it's not approved. We have uh saying it is approved. So let's get a detailed summary. Are these minutes approved or not? >> Again that's what the minutes are for.
>> If you look back at the minutes you approve them with the corrections. I was to go back and make the corrections. Correct. >> But you approved it. >> I know I we approved it for you. Listen, if you all I'll find I'll the exact
>> Listen, there's a vote. We've already voted to move it. Let's move it. Let's move on. >> Yeah. I'll find the exact place on the tape for you and send it to you so you can see. >> And I'm happy to sit with you to show you an example like to so it doesn't continue to come on. Um if that helps everybody. I
>> I'm sure that will absolutely. >> I will definitely do that. Yes. Commissioner, it would certainly help me because I understand you're saying that there are inaccuracies in the way that you bring presented in in arguing or not arguing, excuse me, presenting or or discussing something or voting on something, but when someone brings this
up to say, hey, there's inaccuracies, but I'm not going to tell you where they are. Like, that's very difficult for me. So, I I'm I'm very happy to move it down to say, okay, that's fine. Show us where they are. So, if that's going to be, you know, if that's going to be the representation that there's something wrong in the minutes, then I just I I
would >> yeah, >> be very happy to see or hear what they are. Uh, so I'm happy to vote to to move them to next month, but certainly if we're going to do this again, then I'd like to see where those are. >> All right, guys. We're moving on to ordinances. All right. Um, John, you're up.
>> Thank you, Mr. uh, Vice Mayor. Uh this is ordinance 20263 uh entitled an ordinance of the village commission of the village biscane park Florida >> amending section 1613 exterior painting permit of chapter 16 permits and certificates of the biscane biscane park
land development code to ensure the provision is in conformity with section 166480483 Florida statutes providing for inclusion in the code providing for conflicts providing for scrimmers errors providing for severability and providing for an effective date. This is uh on the agenda
for second reading and approval. Uh I I can go on and tell the commission that I did have the opportunity to sit down with um u um Gage Harding and and
staff to go over the ordinance and the concerns that were voiced and what you have before you. Um we collectively believe addresses um the desire of the village to continue to have oversight
over color. You know that painting of buildings um in the village but also um uh implementing the requirements of the statute and making it easier for residents to apply for and get that
approval from staff. All right, Zura. Is there a motion for move this to? >> Yes. I make a motion to approve ordinance 20263 amending external paint requirements. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I
>> I. >> It's an ordinance. I need a roll call vote. >> Need a roll call. >> Other comments. >> Yeah, you need you need public comments. Uh you need to open up public hearing, uh vice mayor, and then have a a roll
call vote. Got it. Sorry, I forgot about the public was here. Uh, there are any comments. >> Gage, >> um, I don't particularly have a comment. I'm just going to say I'm making myself available if you have any questions. >> Sorry.
>> You >> all right? Uh, any commissioners have any comments on the ordinance? >> I'm sorry. >> No, just check see if there's any Zoom. Oh, Zoom. Yeah, >> I just have one. Uh, under 16.13.2,
the sentence that reads, "If the village determines that the proposed color is white or on the pre-approve pre-approved color palette, the application shall be refunded uh to the applicant." Uh, why does it say uh if it's white or on the pre-approved color palette? Couldn't we just serve the same means to an end by
just saying if it's on the pre-curved color palette and remove uh if it's white completely? Like that's I mean white should be on the pre-apper color palette. So wouldn't that just make everything simpler? We just strike that white out. >> If I may, um um commissioner the white
was actually um I was under the impression a request by the commission to include white. But if it you know to the extent that white is on the color palette, I defer to staff. I've not seen the color palette myself. Um, so, uh, if
it is, then we can strike white. That's not an issue. >> It might have been a commission request or it might have just been something that just kept getting copied and pasted on as revisions continued. Uh, but to me, it's just simple if we just remove that out and just put if it's on the
pre-approved color palette. That's there's no interpretation of off-white, this white, warm white, cool white. There's a lot of different kind of at Home Depot. We go to a bunch of different palettes of white. So, we just say pre-approved color palette. That's it. I think to me that's just simplicity.
>> I agree with that. >> Oh, if that's the desire of the commission, a majority of the commission, we'll make that change. Um, if it gets voted subject to that amendment, >> then I have to change my mo change my motion, right? Okay. I'd like to make a
motion to to uh approve our 2026 23 amending external paint requirement as amended. >> Second public comment again. >> No. >> All right. So, anybody else have any
comments in regards to this ordinance? >> No. >> Jonathan good? >> Nope. You good with Frosty White? >> Sounds good to me. >> All right. Uh, okay. So then, uh, now we got a
vote, right? Oh, is this just a roll is a roll call? Go ahead. >> Commissioner Ansler, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Gonzalez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Huntington, >> yes. >> Commissioner Samra, >> yes. >> Mayor Gro, >> yes, ma'am.
>> The item passes on second reading. 5 Z >> as amended. >> As as amended. >> Thank you. All right. So, we're moving on to resolution 2026-42 Avenue meeting landscape. >> Wait, wait. You have you have one
resolution 9B from the consent that was full. >> 9B. It was >> you wanted to commissioners if you want to take it uh at this point or put it at the end that's your discretion.
>> So me okay it's a quick one. Um >> okay >> I'll read the title. Give me a moment. Uh this is uh resolution 2026-53 entitled the resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida acknowledging and
accepting the city of Dorado's donation of two used Harley-Davidson police motorcycles authorizing the village manager and chief of police to take all actions necessary to accept the donation and transfer legal title of the motorcycles to the village and providing for conflict scriers error severability
and effective date. >> Mr. Mayor, I make a motion. Vice, Mr. Vice Mayor, make a motion to approve resolution 2620-5 20, sorry, resolution 2002653, accepting donations from the city of
Del. Second. >> Yeah. So, I pull I pull the item. It's very quick. Um, I just want to make sure the resolution number 202653, I think it repeats on item 11D.
um John or staff just to make sure. That's my only comment on this before we move forward. >> We have the correct numbers or I do your >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And so I have 202653,
but then on item 11D says 202653 as well for the um for resolution. Let me show you. 11D is calling general election November 3rd
202653. >> He should have been 6061. >> So does it need to be corrected? >> We'll correct it when we read it. >> Okay. All right. That's it. Because I noticed there was a a duplication there.
>> Thank you. No. >> So, um, we moving back to the top or >> we don't we have to approve it. We have we have to vote on. >> All in favor of this one. >> I I >> um Yeah, approve with the amendments. I
>> absolutely yes. >> Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. >> All right. Um, so back to 26 uh 2026-42 ratifying proposal 6th Avenue median landscape. Um, John, you're reading that too.
>> Uh, I have that as uh 42 as the approving final solid waste assessment. Maybe it's on my maybe I have the wrong agenda. >> 11. >> Yeah. 11 A resolutions >> 6th Avenue
>> 2026-42 ratifying proposal 6th Avenue meds >> hold on >> I I apologize may be my error um commissioner um >> vacation mode going >> yes I'm sorry uh 2026-42
and title resolution 2026-42 2 entitled a resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida, accepting the ranking of uh proposals received for this northeast 6th Avenue median landscape maintenance services authorizing the village manager to ne negotiate and execute an agreement
with top rank proposer and any related documents on behalf of the village and providing for conflict scriveners error severability and effective date. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, I'd like to make a a motion to approve resolution 2026-42 refer proposed 6th Avenue medium
landscape. >> Second comments comments Jonathan no comment. Uh so if there's no other comments uh I would just uh ask um Al uh Al can you
just um for our benefit uh just very quickly explain we are uh we're approving a contractor right now right and then this would be subject to being funded during the upcoming budgets the budget planning correct >> yeah Mr. Mayor, you're approving the ranking and giving me authority to uh
try to negotiate a contract with the most responsive bidder. And then uh we would put this into the upcoming budget for 2627. And I think if you look in the cover memo, it it indicates that and if if we
need to um cut back on our expenses that we're probably anticipating for 27, this would be the first area that we would cut. But I think uh you know we had dis had discussed with you that this is our our entrance way to the village and we
would certainly like to uh enhance that entrance way and make it look like our all all of our surrounding neighbors and to uh get somebody that's a professional in there and bring it up to a standard that then we could take it over.
>> Understood. Mayor and and and commissioners, I just to clarify, we will make sure that to include what has become a standard clause in our uh procurement contracts is that um the effective the effectiveness of any
agreement is subject to uh proper funding by the village commission. So if there's no uh funding um then we have the right to terminate the agreement with no penalties. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Very good. Easy out. I like it, John. Um, look, uh, Mr. Manager, I certainly
agree with that. Um, I think the that the medians, um, certainly need some help and, uh, that road is the most traveled in our village, so certainly representative of our community. Um, if there's no other comments, I would make a motion to approve it along the the ranking totals. What I noticed on the
ranking totals here that the highest is the second most affordable. Uh, but the second [snorts] highest rank was, I think, the most affordable. So I would, if you look at it in the chart, it's 274, 238, 271, 203, 244. I I would uh I
would move to uh to adopt the resolution and approve those contractors along the lines of their their total rankings. >> All right. Is that your motion, Jonathan? >> That's my motion. >> The motion was >> I'm sorry. >> Isn't that what the motion I made?
>> But we had to rank them. We had to rank those contractors. So that's that's the way that I would propose we rank those contractors >> before you can change his. >> All right. So we got to >> that. >> But there's a there's a motion on the on the table by >> I'm correct. You have to vote my motion down then you can prove
>> Yeah. >> How about this Dan? If you agree with me, would you agree to amend your motion? >> How about this? How about this? How about this? I just amend my motion and to go by what the mayor said. That's why we don't have to vote it down. Okay. If that's okay with the mayor. >> That works for me, Dan. Thank you.
>> Okay. So, I make a motion to approve it with the amendment. >> Perfect. >> I'll second the amendment. Perfect. All in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> Perfect. All right. So, we move on to resolution 2026-51. >> Make sure I'm
>> Yeah, that's your solid waste assessment. >> Yeah. So, uh, resolution number 2026-51 entitled the resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida, adopting the annual solid waste assessment for fiscal year 2026,
2027, establishing the assessment rate for solid waste service against assessed property located within the village of Biscane Park for the fiscal year beginning October 1st, 2026 through September 30th, 2027 and providing for conflict, scrier, error, severability, and effective date. Vice Mayor, this
does require a public hearing and a roll call vote. >> Perfect. Thank you very much. All right. Is there a resolution to move this forward? >> Yes. I I make a motion to approve resolution 202651 approving the final solid waste assessment.
>> Perfect. Second. >> Well, well, we got to get public comment. So, uh does anybody have any comments on the uh on the item? None here. Anybody on Zoom? None on Zoom. Okay. So, we're closing
public comments. Um any comments from the rest of the commission on on this? >> Vice Mayor, can I just make a comment? So, we're we have been consistently uh keeping the same uh the the finance director's online, but I don't know if
he wants to chime in on anything, but we're if you read the cover memo, we've been consistently keeping the uh same rate for the last couple years. And uh I thank the finance director for working on this and uh the our vendor had asked
for an increase but we had said no to that that uh uh we're going to keep it at the same rate. >> Perfect. >> Great job. All right. So roll call vote. >> Commissioner Ansley. >> Commission Vice Mayor Gonzalez.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Huntington. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Samira. >> Yes. Mayor GR. >> Yes. >> The item passes 50. >> Thank you. All right. Moving on to uh resolution 2026-52. >> Uh thank you, Mr. uh Vice Mayor. This is
resolution number 2026-52 entitled resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida. Establishing the proposed millage rate of 9.3 mills for fiscal year 2026 2027 establishing the current year rolled back rate to be 8.68 68
mills and establishing the first and the second public budget hearings as required by law, directing the village clerk and finance manager to file said resolution with the property appraiser and tax collector of Miami date county pursuant to the requirements of Florida statutes and the rules and regulations of the department of revenue of the state of Florida and providing for
conflict scrier's errors severability and an effective date. Right. >> Rice may I'd like to make a motion to approve resolution 202652 adopt and proposed military 2026-27 >> second.
>> Hey um any discussion on this item? >> Um it's Paul on the line. >> Yes I am. >> Hey Paul. So so this so what we're doing right now is just um uh how do you >> setting the ceiling? Yes. Set in the
ceiling. Thank you for saying it. And then we go ahead and can work and revise it. >> Yeah. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Got it. Thank you. >> Um um Mr. Vice Mayor and members of commission, if I may, um have a a point of privilege to um state that pursuant
to uh or in in section 4 to announce the the public hearing dates. So, they're on the record. The first um budget hearing uh date is scheduled for se September 8th, 2026 starting at 6 PM uh at the uh uh village
of K Park log cabin. And the second uh and final hearing uh on the adoption of the of the tenative of budget and and millillage ordinance is uh September 22nd, 2026 at 6 p.m. at the uh log cabin.
Can you say that date one more time, John? >> Uh the first public hearing on the um millillage and budget ordinances is uh September 8th, 2026 starting at 6 p.m. Uh and the second and uh final hearing
on the budget and millillage ordinances uh is scheduled for September 22nd, 2026. Uh also starting at 6 p.m. Both at the log cabin, >> John. And that's that hearing that all commissioners have to be present. Correct. The second one or both of them?
>> Tech both of them. Uh particularly if you if you're going to vote um uh to increase the the the millillage a certain percentage above what it was last year. Um under state law, it either has to be a super majority or a total
majority uh depending upon uh the final millage. >> Okay. And we're setting this one already at as a ceiling of 7 uh12%. So you're safe from that 100% requirement a little bit.
>> Okay. Point of order. Vice Mayor, do we have what the workshop date yet? I know it's going to be in August. Have we set up the date yet on what it's going to be? >> Yeah, commissioner. Those are August 4th and August 18th. They're on the the uh city calendar,
village calendar. >> Okay. Thank you. >> 16 you said >> 18. >> Um >> wedding anniversary.
>> Okay. >> No, I >> All right, guys. Let's move along. All right. So, on the floor, uh there's a second, right? All >> right. So, this is just a voice uh vote, right? All in favor? >> I I
>> I. >> All right. So, we're moving on to uh resolution 2026-53. >> Indeed. >> Thank you uh vice mayor and members of the commission. This is resolution number 2026-53 entitled the resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane
Park, Florida pursuant to section 5.02 Z O 02C of the village charter in section dash section 2-64 the code of ordinance of the village of Biscane Park Florida calling for a general election to be held on Tuesday November 3rd 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate of the village of Biscane
Park the names of all qualified candidates for elections the position of village commissioner providing for runoff election if necessary to be held on Tuesday November 17th 2026 providing for polling places formal ballot voter registration qualification of candidates
and notice of elections, providing for conducting the elections, and providing for conflicts, scriveners errors, severability, and an effective date. >> Mr. Vice May, I'd like to make a motion to Mr. Vice Mayor, for the record, we change this one to 61,
resolution 2026-61. >> Got it. >> Oh, I'm sorry. You're correct. I'm glad. >> I'd like to make a motion to approve resolution 2026-61 calling for village of Biscane prop general election.
>> Second item. >> I didn't think so. Okay, good. All right. So, uh, vote. Uh, all in favor? >> I >> I >> I >> I >> All right. So, now we're moving on to
>> E. 26. Is this the number right here? This one 2026-59. All right, cool. Go ahead, John. >> Okay, this is uh resolution number 202659 entitled a resolution of the
village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida, approving the agreement for debris monitoring services between the village and I can't uh I didn't have the name. Give me a moment. >> Deb deck. >> Debree tech. That's correct. um uh
authorizing the village manager to execute the agreement, take all action necessary to implement the agreement and providing for a conflict scrimmers error, severability, and an effective date. >> Vice Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve resolution 2026-59, the pre monitor and service agreement.
>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Right. We have any discussion on the item? All right. All in fa All in favor? >> I >> I move it along. I like this. All right.
Where are we at? Um 2026 2026-60. >> Yes. Um vice mayor, members of the commission, this is resolution number 2026-60. A res resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida, amending and modifying resolution uh number 2026-48 to
establish village commission meeting dates and corresponding agenda item submission deadlines for the remainder of calendar year 2026. Providing for village manager authority to modify deadlines upon notice. Authorizing the village manager to take all actions necessary in furtherance of this resolution. and provided for conflict,
scriveners, error, severability, and an effective date. >> Vice Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve resolution 2026-60 establish a meeting and agenda deadline dates for the remainder of the calendar year 2026.
>> Second >> again, which one? 20 26-60F F. I'm sorry. >> No, I'm just reading this. >> Oh, >> oh, so is John John, this is the one you updated from Yes. Yes, I do have some
comments. Um if you go to page number two of the propose um minor but it has asterisks to it. Um
there should be three asterisks subject to commission election not to meet pursuant to the procedures. Let me know. >> There should be Yeah, there's um there's three um
there are um one asterisk in the um uh meeting date um staff commissioner submission to village manager 10 day prior there's one um there on the next one on July 9th 2026 Monday June 25th
2026 there's two asterisks and then on the um um table cell below that August 4th, 2026. There's three asterisks and they uh I see what you're saying at the Yes, we'll subject to commission election not to meet pursuant to the
procedures that needs a third asterisk. Thank you. >> Yeah. And so and the other question on the following section three where it says such modifications may be made when necessary due to conflicts, holiday emergencies or other unforeseen circumstances. Can you explain what
unforeseen circumstances would fall under in this case? >> I'm I'm sorry. Um, give me a moment. Let me get there. >> Sorry. But due to due to conflicts, holidays, emergency, or other un unforeseen circumstances, it's it's
basically a catchall uh for, you know, if there's um you know, um some type of um um I I guess you could say something like civil unrest uh could fall underneath
the category of unforeseen circumstances. uh or you know some might consider that to be an emergency but I it's you know >> if if I if we as staff or as the commission attempted to identify um
every you know circumstance that might trigger this provision it it it'd get pretty lengthy so um it >> yeah no needed [clears throat] no needed my my question was so 15 days in advance no matter what will be the notice yeah okay that's that that's okay and So, uh,
15 days. Is that calendar days or is is that, uh, consecutive days? >> Um, I think that's intended to be, um, consecutive days, not um, not I, when you say calendar days, you're talking about work weeks, correct?
>> Correct. Yes. >> Working days, it's calendar days. I said >> calendar days. That's correct. That's calendar days. It would include weekends. >> Can we include that just to say calendar? That's the only amendment that I would make to it. And um
just so it's clear and I'm okay with the rest. >> Okay. If that's the will of the majority of the commission, we'll make that change. >> I'm good with that. >> As well as the asterisks. >> Yeah. Eliminate asterics. All right. I'm good with that. Anybody else? >> Sounds good.
>> All right. So, all in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> All right. So, now we're off to new business. Old business. There is no old business. So, we're going to do new business. >> So, I'm sorry. The the mo the approval
is approved. Five 50 as amended. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> All right. So, we're in new business. I the first one is mine. I'm not going to use my five minutes, but I'll make his really
quick. Um guys, we had a very long agenda today and obviously when we adhere to the rules that we already have in the books, uh these meetings go along much faster and in my opinion much smoother. Um problem is I don't run the meetings on a regular basis. So rules
are only as good as the the people that enforce them where they don't enforce them, right? So, um I I personally think that 5 minutes is too short of a time. I think that 10 minutes is a fair amount of time. Um not everybody is going to use their full 10 minutes. Uh but some people may want to use their full 10
minutes. So, I propose that uh that we u allow folks uh up here to use 10 minutes. Um, and then just like we said earlier, if they need uh more time, they can make a motion and request more time and then it would have to be approved by the rest of us whether we want to allow
it or not. Uh, but I think it's fair. I think 10 minutes is a very fair uh amount of time for everybody. So, that's all I got to say about this. Uh, and feel free to to discuss however you all feel. >> I'll go real quick. >> I I completely concur. I think time
limits are are needed. Uh, I will say I'm a little concerned on 10 minutes because I mean if you just multiply the number of items we had, even if just one commissioner takes 10 minutes for each item, uh, that would that could take up all four hours. And then if each commissioner, all five of us take 10
minutes each, 50 minutes per item would be I think maybe a good counter to that would be 10 minutes to ordinances, five minutes resolution, then we ask an extension that be a good counter. I think ordinance is usually more heavy topics that for that discussion that
resolution should be should be able to finish up a resolution discussion in five minutes and then you always have that ability to extend top of that but I think you need to put a little more curve on that because if you start multiplying 10 minutes times five times the number of items you have before real
quick vice may I agree with that I think ordinance is which is the most important thing is should be 10 minutes person should have enough and five minutes for resolutions like tonight we did I think we did pretty good on resolutions so I agree resolute because truthfully we as
commissioners have to read everything you know have to read what's in front of us and uh like I I the reason I come prepare is not because I haven't read anything it's because I've met with the city manager and I've gone over all the you know the
items in the past I have not done that this time I have done that and I find it makes it much easier to do it so I agree for ordinances should be about 10 minutes and resolution should be five minutes And if they need more time, they can ask. And I think I think the chair
is pretty good about giving more time that you give more time. I hopefully that the chair is going to be willing to give more time. That's the only thing I would object to. >> Is that wouldn't be the chair making the decision. It would be >> the commission that's about it. I hope that the commission would be willing to give the individual if a commissioner is
talking and he needs a little bit more time. I hope that this commission will give them if it's reasonable more time. So that's the other thing. To me, my last point is the most important part of this is whatever rules we decide is an adherence to the rules. Yes. >> Because if rules aren't respected, if rules aren't enforced, that's when this
goes off. >> And also, does the point does Robert rules say anything about the time limit? >> Well, I I have it here as a backup. It's 10 minutes. Uh but but can change we can we we as a body can decide. I mean, you know, this can be uh Biscane Park rules.
It doesn't have to be Robert's rules. But but the point, you know, like he was just saying, you know, that we negotiate and we say, "Okay, 10 minutes for an ordinance." I think that that's very fair. Uh so I'm good with that. So, uh what anybody else uh want to comment on it?
>> Um I'm I'm fine with whatever you decide to be honest with you. I think um you know in my case like I I I told uh Jonathan the other day, I tend to be the one kind of going over um and trying to
overexlain. I welcome any one of you at any time to tell me commissioner we going to wrap it up. Uh it helps me. Um so I I don't discourage that. Um the only thing I'm going to say is and it has nothing to do with the time frame. Um 10 minutes seems to me more than fine
and doable. It has to do with um I was going to pull out of the agenda this item art and um part of our procedures asked that we put together a memo explaining sort of what we expect with
this and I I didn't understand what this was. So when I read what you attach and it has no memo and and the reason I bring it out I hope you don't take it the wrong way. Um, this has been used in the past to block items. If commissioners >> What? I'm sorry.
>> To block items. So, if commissioners don't bring a memo to their items as it's required by our agenda procedures, that has been, you know, sort of an item pushed away. Um, I wasn't sure and and
I'm interested to hear what this was about. I didn't know to what direction it was because there's a lot in the attachment that you shared. If your proposal is really just about the time, I'm 100% on board. Um I think 10 minutes and it's more than enough. And again, I
welcome you all to raise your hand and tell me, you know, if I need to rub it up, >> Jonathan. >> Yeah. Look, I'm I'm very comfortable with five minutes. When I go to court and I'm at UMC hearings, I I get three minutes. So remember like the discussion
portions of this stuff are are really more designed for us to bounce ideas off each other because we can't discuss this stuff in advance. But you know we come prepared. Uh we ask the questions in advance that we have to ask. We get the answers from the manager, from the attorney, from whomever. Um and you know
we've had we've taken some measures in the past like you know Veronica like you mentioned the backup thing was something that we did a few years ago to try to reduce the amount of time that we spend discussing. So I think five 10 minutes an in ordinance, 5 minutes for resolutions is very it's I'm very comfortable with that. Um it's it's it's
parliamentary in nature and and I think that we are all very capable of getting our point across in that time. So I think that we can all uh do a perfect job in adhering to those um those limitations. So I'm I'm good with 10 and five. Uh 10 on ordinances, five on resolutions if the rest of everyone is.
>> Can I can I make a >> We all agree with it. Since we agree with how do we make this, as they say, official. That's where we get started. >> Well, so sorry Dan, I don't mean to interrupt you, but um you know, having these had these conversations, generally speaking, you know, when it comes to
this type of thing, there there is a timer. I know we started doing that just this evening. There's a timer. A lot of times commissioners will take a certain chunk of time, like say we have five minutes. You take your three minutes, you ask your questions, um you make whatever point you need to make, and you reserve two minutes for like a rebuttal
point. um that we don't have to do it that way, but I think the the easiest implementation, this was something an impediment to have us having done this in the past was how do we logistically deal with this, but we we have to just try. So, I think the I think when we put the timer up and we have the clerk I I
don't know, Madam Clerk, I'm sorry I can't really see you, so I don't know if you were keeping track of the discussion minutes for us earlier or not. um we start there, you know, we start with the five minutes per, you know, for each commissioner and then you can seed the rest of your time as you see fit um or, you know, reserve for rebuttal. But
I think that we set it I'm just using five as an example. We use five, we use five minutes, we use the timer and we just um I think we all trust in each other to to adhere to those uh those time limitations so that we can we can make more progress more quickly. Um so
the so the consensus is 105 right guys the consensus is 105 10 for ordinances >> I was just going to make one comment >> ordinances come twice in front of us so in essence we're given 20 minutes per ordinance >> versus five minutes I I I would just
suggest because resolutions is still policy and it happens once it is important because we make a lot of that as you saw today in the agenda um they're not less important it's just a legis legislative process is longer for ordinances so people can come twice and
speak and and and so um that's fair. I just wanted to point that that maybe 10 minutes for resolution would be just to keep things more balanced. Um yeah. >> All right. So I think the again I I I understand what you're saying but I
think the consensus with the group is 105 right 10 for ordinance five uh for resolutions. All right. Perfect. So, >> Commissioner Commissioners, do to what the the mayor just mentioned as we move forward with drafting the resolution or
modifying the resolution to now reflect this, do you want it to be split? Um, you know, where um on the resolution uh 3 minutes um everyone has three minutes and then someone can use the extra two
if they wish. And the same with the ordinances, five minutes um and then five minutes um once you've gone through everyone. >> Well, I just leave it at at at five and 10. >> In my Yeah, in my opinion, I think it you know the whomever somebody on on our
staff is going to have to keep the time. Uh and obviously when a commissioner is speaking, they'll start the time and when they finish, they'll start and they'll they'll have to log it down and then they'll have that amount of time left over to um to rebuttal. So, if they use only use one minute and they want to
use four minutes in the back end, however they manage it, I mean, I'm I'm comfortable with that. I don't know. >> I think it just leaving it five and 10. And I think John, if we can just put something in there that a commissioner can reserve their time as they see fit. I think don't spell out where your steps or your time. Just you you reserve your
time as you see fit. If I use >> as they see fit. >> Yeah. If I if I use nine minutes and I got one minute left on an ordinance, I reserve my time for my one minute rebuttal. You manage your own time. >> Correct. And we can also uh we also discussed uh uh extending the the time
um by by a motion and uh by a consensus of the of the other comm of the of the rest of the commission. Um and I will point out for commissioner Aer what she she said is if we ever come upon a resolution like we had I think last month when we were talking about purchasing agreements uh we can suspend
the rules. If it becomes a resolution that is that is very heavy that's going to take us a long time to spell out. We can suspend the rules if you as a consensus. So there there's always that ability to modify these things when when major topics come up. >> Okay. All right. So I think we have a
consensus. >> We'll bring it back to you at the next meeting in the form of a resolution modifying the rules of procedure. >> No. Well, everything Okay. To your point, I think everything else should also be included in there. Uh and I think that is five minutes. Everything
other than uh a uh an ordinance is five minutes. Everything >> I'm fine with that. I think I don't know if you heard that, John, but I'm fine with that. Is that resolutions or ordinances 10 minutes and everything else talking items five minutes. I'm sure that as well.
>> All right. So, we have a consensus there. All right. We're going to move on to discussion on policy and procedures. And by the way, um, Commissioner Ams, there was something that you said about, uh, about the memo thing. Um, two
things. Number one, my computer was broken, so I I couldn't write nothing. So, I asked >> I actually sent it to these to Al and I said, "Hey, can you put this put this in in because my I didn't have a computer when when I was when I sent this." And the other thing is I believe and I may
be wrong. um that the issue was it wasn't a discussion item, not that there was a me wasn't a memo attached. So, you know, there was it was not a uh it wasn't a discussion item placed on the agenda. Thus, you couldn't bring in a discussion item uh to discuss it if you
hadn't even put in a discussion item. I think that that's what the issue was. It wasn't that there wasn't a memo. So, there's a title to each one, right? and and unfortunately I wasn't able to, you know, to use my computer, but but I think that that was the issue that uh folks were trying to bring in discussion
items that weren't uh placed on the agenda. Not that there wasn't a memo attached. I may be wrong, but I think that that was the deal. >> No, so the one I'm referring to, just to be clear, um it was items that were put as discussion items with a just a title, you know,
>> right? And but again, I think that that was the issue that >> Yeah. Yeah. So in this case, >> no no my my point just to so you know is >> it always serves me at least. >> Agree. >> I'm going to just say me to know what the intent of the conversation is going
to be so that I come ready with some thoughts. >> Yeah. >> And I just didn't know because it was a lot of text what you wanted to get out of it. Well, I think first the first one was self-explanatory to me, but the second one I think if if you had questions that that that one I would have had a question, but the first one
it was pretty clear. But anyway, let's uh let's move on to uh to to be >> Yeah. point of point of order just for point of order. Uh I've noticed that we don't have maybe past commissioners have changed it, but we don't have we replacing agenda items with discussion
items. Is that what we're doing? Because we used to have where commissioners can have agenda items. We >> agenda item. >> I think they were the same. >> Like if I want to bring up an agenda item or subject matter. So that's what you're replacing. That's what it's now
going to be called discussion items. And I agenda items is if I have an item that I put as an agenda item and then the cost commission either votes it down or something. And on discussions you don't get to vote it down. we've discussed prior as a as a body and if I'm wrong is
that uh we want to forego that commissioners placing resolutions straight on the agenda. We'd rather things come through first as a discussion item we discuss it and then we get the following close enough. Yeah. >> Uh that we as a body have discussed bringing things forward first as a
discussion item and then if if we think a resolution is needed we would post that the next >> it's not it's not a resolution it's agenda item. So what you're saying is that if you put an agenda item, then you have to bring it as a discussion, then you have to go back. If the commission's okay with me bringing up something as an agenda item, then I should be able to
that's that's double work, >> which is the same thing that just happened for mine. Now he's going to go back and put that on u John is going to put that as well, they're going to they're going to revise the >> Yeah. Will it come back as a resolution
to formally adopt it? I'm confused what what you're referring to agenda items. used to have if you look in the past in commissioners it has agenda item where a commissioner will bring up an item as an agenda and it would either be voted down not as a resolution not as a it wasn't a
discussion it was an actual agenda item let's say if I want to bring up a agenda item to bring back in in the public works that will be an agenda item and then the commission would dis but if to bring it up a discussion and then the commission decides okay I like that idea we have to then go back and put it into
same thing as agenda item there should have And I don't know why we stopped that. I wasn't on a commission the last time. >> I think that's a question for John, not for us. John, are you are you are you hearing what uh Commissioner uh Samaria is saying about placing an agenda item
as a as opposed to a discussion item? >> Yeah, I I I I did uh and I would say I'd make two observations. Um I on every one of your agendas um it's uh number 14 the next item uh after the discussion items
is a request for placement of items on the next meeting agenda. You know any of you all can make a request to uh place an item as far as your rules of procedure. Um the section says um it's 4A. Uh it says all reports,
communications, ordinances, resolutions, contract documents, or other matters to be submitted to the village commission shall be delivered to the village manager no later than 10 days prior to the scheduled commission meeting and shall be accompanied by or in the form of a signed memorandum from the party submitting the materials. No additional
items shall be added to the agenda after the agenda closing date unless it is deemed to be of an urgent emergency nature as provided below. I read that section to primarily be directed to staff that when we put items on the
agenda, staff items, you know, they need to be submitted and they need to have a cover memo. The section of the code of the rules and procedures goes on to state. All agenda items including materials in support of the agenda item are to be submitted to to the village attorney, the finance director, and the
village planner if required for review and submittal for the recommendations of the village manager no later than 7 days prior to the scheduled meeting. Uh and then the final agenda uh gets uh sent out uh no later than 5 days. Um and it says the mayor, village commissioners,
village manager, and village attorney are authorized to place matters on the agenda of the village commission meeting for discussion andor approval by the village commission. >> That's so there you go. >> That's not what I'm ask. Okay. >> They're not people are not getting what I'm asking. We used to have in the past
where if I want to put an agenda item on the commission, I have to have backup. We have more than where you have the discussion. I that's what I'm asking. We stopped doing that to where if I want to put an agenda item on the agenda, >> you can you can >> you're calling a you can. >> Yes.
>> So basically in the agenda that you have in front of you, if you go all the way to the bottom where it says um dis discussion all the way to the bottom um you're going to have a section discussion and that's where we're at.
But here and you can add over there. Here's the confusion that I have with what what what you're trying to to to say which but but let me right I understand okay so this is the agenda right the the whole thing is an agenda there's no agenda line right on this on
on the agenda right so where would you put something >> well I would maybe if you look at past agenda items of Biscane Park there was an agenda it says agenda item 5C commissioner Samaria's agenda item on
let's say helping the homeless that will be a discuss that will be an agenda item then the commission would either vote it down or not vote it down >> all these discussion items are agenda items because they're part of the agenda >> you get >> I'm just I was just asking I mean it's because discussion is is just
discussions it's not voting on agenda items get voted on discuss >> but dur dur if say you you brought a discussion item to help the homeless uh you know uh you we could give direction to the manager to do some to do something uh and then we can bring back
a resolution next month to codify it. Uh >> but voting primarily happens in resolutions. It doesn't happen in in that in discussion. >> Yeah. I if if I may by by direction by consensus of the commission you can any
you know the commission can direct staff to take and follow up on any discussion item um uh whether it's old business or new business. But to your point, your question, Commissioner Samaria, under as I read and understand the rules of procedure, you have the right to ask to
for any item to be placed on the agenda, >> right, >> for discussion. And then, you know, depending on how that discussion comes about, it may then come back uh on on a future agenda as an action item, >> right? >> But you're going twice. You can just
have a person just put an agenda. I mean, I'll do whatever the commission wants. Just an agenda item has to be voted on. A discussion item is not voted on. The item is discussed and then you're going to bring it back at a future meeting which is a you're going around in circles. You should be able to
bring an agenda item and then we vote on it. [clears throat] >> But you're doing it twice. You know, just discussion items is not voting. >> If I may, >> John, wrap it up, please. >> Yes. The commissioner, you're you're you're equating two different issues.
There are certain things that we do as a commission and as a and as a village that have to be adopted by resolution and have to be adopted by ordinance. I and and some of it um some things we can do by direction of the commission. A
majority of the commission gives the direction to the village manager and the village attorney and village staff. We then go out and implement that policy directive. But to your point, yes, sometimes, not all the time, an item have to it will have to come back because it needs to be in the form of an
ordinance or a resolution. >> All right, John. Thank you. I listen, uh, Commissioner uh, Samary, I think that, you know, maybe this is another a conversation that you take offline with, uh, with the manager and with the attorney, um, and you can get better clarification.
>> Items doesn't accomplish. >> I understand what you're saying. All right, let's uh let's move on to uh to B uh discussion on policy procedures regarding construction in the village. Um so I brought this as well and the reason that I I know the answer to these questions but I've been getting a lot of
complaints uh not a lot of complaints but complaints and I don't get a lot of complaints but I get some when I get complaints that's a that's a big problem. Um and it's in regards to construction in the village. Uh I can tell you from somebody that walks every single day including weekends uh
especially on on Sundays and after hours uh there is construction happening in the village all the time. I see it on Sundays. I see it after hours. Um so the question is uh you know do we have a
clear policy and procedure in place uh to address this because as we know code is only here a certain amount of time right and we also know code is not here on weekends right so who is managing
this and is it a written rule and policy or is it just uh hey do me a favor and do this and check it out you you know, I think that this is a problem that we have and it needs to be addressed in a proper uh orderly procedure. So that's
the question uh and feel free to discuss. Uh so I'll I'll start. I'm sure this is a question for code and for police because I know that the answer is when you when you know code is does a very good job and they're they're very involved in the village but they can only be here so many hours. If someone
starts a construction project at 2 in the morning, besides being a code violation, it's also construction violation. The only uh person still in the village would be police. And that's why our police officers are also code officers. So, could there could be some better education to the residents that
when you get something like this on an after hours uh time, Sunday holidays, 3 in the morning, uh that call to the non-emergency line is your your best bet because you're going to get a police officer who's going to respond. Uh as long as you get through the
non-emergency line, which is the the hiccup, it's not usually our officers responding, it's the non-emergency line. You're going to get an officer responding at a very quick t time. I've done it personally in the last year. Uh, and they're going to mitigate the issue for you. Uh, but I think that's where
this hiccup comes is the education to residents that when you're faced with that situation of construction on a Saturday, construction too early, uh, our code is in the the village a lot, but they're not here all the time. And so that's the is the the the catchall is
that police officers are here 24/7 and they are code officers as well. So, when you get that noise complaint, construction after hours, uh, wild party that's gone too long, whatever it is, that call to the non-emergency line is your is your best bet. >> That's being reactive, not being
proactive. And the question and then the question, the bigger question, the bigger hiccup of it all is that folks aren't calling uh and complaining about uh residents or construction or anything else because now they have to give their name and addresses. And we've discussed
this with uh Darin in the past. So our calls to for complaints have gone down because people are afraid to complain about their neighbor or complain about you know what. So that's a problem. So the question is for me anyway and the reason that I brought this up is I is it
a is it a is it a written policy somewhere? Are are are officers uh being trained? Are do they have a policy uh in in in place that they're following? Because again guys, if I'm walking on a Sunday and I'm seeing construction and
nobody's complaining but and nobody's doing anything about it, that's a problem. Uh and it's also happening after hours, also happening on holidays. So I think we need to have a rules uh policy and procedure in place. One of the things that I asked was to to bring that sign today, right? Hopefully you
brought it and if you don't mind coming up here because that's something that we discussed at the at the previous meeting. I think that this will help tremendously if the if these posters or or tarps or whatever you want to call them are actually posted uh on uh on
work sites and people can read them. That's something that >> yes >> so Mr. Vice Mayor if I could your concerns. >> Yep. So, um, yeah, our our our staff has
been here on on holidays and on we're starting to have, uh, staff on the weekends to just look at not only construction, but other activities that are going on on holidays and and and on on the weekends. So, we're we're trying
to with the limited staff we we do have, we have two off two co- compliance officers to switch them around so that they can u be here on holidays and weekends and and enforce those concerns. But I I would um ask you to if you see
construction going on >> and that it's on a holiday, call me. Call me right away and let me know and we'll we'll take care of it. will will uh >> I I appreciate that, but honestly, that's not my job to do >> and and I'm I don't like to do that. I
really don't. I I think I I I just mentioned one time about a fence that was under construction that didn't have a construction fence just because I thought it was a hazard. But I don't like I'm not a guy that calls around calls and says, "Hey, that guy's dirt. His roof and >> somebody else's job." And the villages should be responsible for that.
>> Understandable. But commissioner, we can't we can't be just like the police officers. They can't be everywhere at all the times, you know. Uh so we're we're a very limited staff. Uh we try to do the best we can with our limited staff. And I I also drive around the
weekends and if I see something, we'll we'll we'll handle that. But I myself, I can't be everywhere at all times. And I know the our last uh one of our last holidays, the code compliance director was here and took action against uh a
number of construction sites that were were performing work on holidays. But the all all the all the contractors know uh about the uh about the ordinance. They've been advised about the ordinance. We had we had two readings of the public uh when the when the
ordinance was changed. We had two public hearings about it. We went out and uh uh we had the meetings before the co- compliance uh board. They they chimed in on on the ordinance. So I I think the the construction workers are are fully
aware of it. But um I'll turn it over to Dorene if you have anything to add. Dorene. >> Um yes, the commissioner is right. There's a problem. The manager is right as well that um staffing issues. uh one of the reasons why we unable to uh
follow up or unable to be proactive. However, I have made it a point to come to work myself. Um I've worked the last I'll say the last five weekends. I come on Saturdays. I come in on public holidays. Um for example, in Junth, I
went to every construction site. I issued uh 14 violations and I at every construction site I spent time educating the people that were there that they cannot work on a federal holiday. Um and
this is just me doing going the extra mile to make sure we educate people on this. Uh but going forward uh we have done a sample of the sign that we should have done a long time ago. Uh the problem, one of the problems we had was the way Commissioner Kennedy um designed
the wanted the sign was a little bit difficult for me to put together because he put the entire land development code chapter 18 onto that sign. It was a lot of wording and I'll give you an example. I did one example and this is just one
section of the chapter and I trans I translated this in three different languages in Spanish, English and um cre Haitian creole. It looks horrible and it will be difficult for people to actually read this. It's too much information.
It's very confusing. So what I did was go through the type of violations that we have and the most violations we've issued are parking on the median which we have done a smaller sign which will look similar to this. We'll put some color in that in there to make it
more attractive. So it's still three different languages but it just talks about parking on the median. The signs will be slightly bigger than these. I had these printed just so I could do this presentation. And then the most important sign is the work. I'm sorry.
Working on federal holidays and permitted hours. So we did the translation as well. So we have it in all three different languages and then everything else the chapter says on
working on holidays. So hopefully this will help. Um, >> yeah. >> The other thing is how are we going to are we going to pass the cost on to the contractors? Um, I've budgeted $3,500 for these
signs. Um, which the manager and I discussed that we're going to pass this on to the building department because this is construction and it's about building. So, it doesn't directly come out of the code budget. Um, I was thinking I'll have a meeting with the building official if we can charge
them for each sign because they'll stick these signs on their construction sites and maybe have them pay a deposit so they can bring the sign back cuz we can't [clears throat] afford to have these signs printed all the time. And when they remove their construction sites, who knows what they are going to
do with these signs. They'll throw them away. They'll be in the garbage. They'll be in the dumpster. But I want the signs back and and we'll make metal signs so we can keep them for a long time. So Oh, I I'll pass it I'll pass it around. >> Dorian, can I ask you a quick question?
>> Yes, sir. >> Now, I don't know if this is for you or for for Al or maybe it'd be for Pedro. um within our within our within the building contracts or you know the the um the work orders that we we provide the contractors to to start their work
start their construction. Do we know if there's something in the contract that has them expressly like acknowledge the the work hours? >> I can't hear you. >> Yeah. So, so the mayor is asking in our permit application process, is there
something in the permit that we can we can uh make sure they know the hours of construction that there's no uh construction on national holidays and uh on Sundays? >> I'm not sure. I haven't looked at their permits. I'm not sure they have that information, but they do have a lot of
information that they give up front uh that goes with the permits. And this is probably in there. I'll I'll check and confirm that. If it's not, I'll I'll be happy to add it to the website so they can have these instructions and and regulations up front. Um, which I know
they won't follow. We'll still have to go to the construction site and tell them, "Hey, you can't be here today, Saturday." >> So, we are very proactive. Commissioner Gonzalez, I have to tell you that it doesn't show sometimes, but I do go to these u construction sites and I do talk
to whoever I find on the site. One of the problems we have is the language barrier. Most of the time we get to the construction sites, we find people there that will not communicate. I don't know if it's intentional [laughter] or they've been instructed not to ever talk to anyone with a badge,
but it's it happens so often that every construction site you go to, it's like me not picking English, me, you know. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. So the qu So the question is we pay for those signs, right? >> We are. >> Okay. If we're paying for it, what we
can do is put it in the paperwork that they have that they have to return to sign. >> That's fine. And we may be able to give them the little >> give them a little little discount if they if they bring the sign because I think that'll solve our, you know, would help with our problems. If we are
charging them for the signs, then they have to bring it back. And if they bring it back, you know, they get a 10, >> then we give a deposit back. >> Okay? Give them something back. you'll get more people to turn their signs in just to get a >> if there's an incentive for them to bring it back. Absolutely.
>> One other question I did have for you, Dorene, um is you know the working off hours, working after hours, working holidays, working weekends, it's a code violation. you know, do I assume the answer is yes, but I you know, if you can confirm for me that you after so
many code violations of this nature that you have the power to make a referral to the building department to issue a stop work order. >> I don't specifically issue stop work orders, but I would definitely work with the building official to issue them. The
the building official doesn't issue the stop work orders without me. So, we work together. So, >> yeah, it's it's it's hard, you know, Art, I hear what you're saying, and it's it's it's well taken, I think, but we can only put so many measures in place,
you know, where we advise them up front, we tell them of the penalties, say these bad things will happen to you if you violate this this this code, and then it's about enforcement and um you know, Dorene and and her department and our police department getting out. And it's
I know residents I've heard the same thing or you know the residents don't want to put attach a name to something. It's why like when I when I talk to them I say tell me I'll I'll put my name to him. I don't care. But um it's it's it's kind of like a multifaceted enforcement and it's going to come from code. It's going to come from police. It's going to
come from residents. And if if if we can't enforce it on that level, I would defer to Dorene and John to work together to see if they can find how other municipalities do it. I'm not aware of any other way. Um but if if John suggestion then right yes of course
>> the police has been very good in helping us whenever there's a big event going on if there's major holiday coming up the police has actually helped us give flyers out cuz one holiday I don't remember which holiday I did print out flyers and I left them at the construction sites just to remind
everybody we have a federal holiday coming up and I we don't want you on the on the side >> is there a way that we can put in the work orders that if they do work on Sunday there is a fine. Now, I'm not saying that we legally have to be able to collect the fine, but if you put like
if there's a three you have working on Sunday, we have a $3,000 fine. It doesn't mean they're going to get the fine, but it is scare businesses that they're not going to take a chance or risking to be fined $3,000. >> So, with the law enforcement process, we can't just come up with a number to
charge people. We have to go by what chapter 162 requires of us, which is we bring them to the board. The highest we can charge is $250 administrative 250. >> You said you had many that day that you came out, you had how many violations? >> 14.
>> Okay. 14 times $200. How much is that? That's money that we can be bringing in. >> Right. But we can't charge it up front. No, >> there's an escalation. Like the ones that go violations, if they do it again, I come out here and I find them in violation, I'll escalate those violations to the board and they will
get charged. I I think that'll help if if there's enough hopefully we don't have that many violations, but if we have enough violations, then we can be able to, you know, have somebody work on a Saturday or on a Sunday, >> right? >> It was, yeah, it was very effective that
I did have some contractors after I issued the violations on Junth come back to me and and on the next holiday, this past holiday where they emailed me, are we working this day or which day are we not working? because the village was closed extra days. The contractors were
contacting me. They were emailing me and asking. So the Junth situation was very effective in reminding people that they can't work on holidays. >> So let's let's wrap this up. Commissioner Ams, we we haven't heard from you. You have uh >> I just want to I was wondering if it's
ready and you're distributing already because there's typo I recommend. >> This is a sample that I had printed from Commissioner Gonzalez. [laughter] >> Okay. See, we're going to make them a little bigger. They're going to be about 3x4 feet larger so they can be seen from a distance.
>> Either either of us I'm sure can help with the Spanish on the on the just to make sure. >> Oh, did I do it wrong? >> No, that's >> I that is Chad can help you, but the um the Yeah, there's some type of and I don't know the Korean >> that's Google translate. I'll blame
them. >> That's I'm happy to help you. Just >> Okay, I I would appreciate that. Definitely. We'll do better, but I needed you to see that this is what we're working with. >> So, when when when are we going to actually have these posters, folks? >> Oh, I I can put in the order tomorrow if
you approve this. >> Okay. Well, well, I got to read the Spanish. I don't know. >> She already saw it. >> No, no, it's not a It had just typos. >> I'm just going to end this by saying that uh my question hasn't been answered yet. Obviously, I don't think that there
is a policy per se in place, but here's the here's the issue. So, every time there's a construction and somebody actually complains and it's off hours or it's uh weekends, it's the police that reply. Yes. >> And it's the police that shut them down. Yes. >> I've seen it happen myself where my son
used to live on Fifth Avenue. I've seen the police come out, shut it, >> but they're wait what I from what I've seen is the point is that they're waiting for someone to call and my and so I guess the question is more for the chief. Chief, would you mind coming up here?
I guess the first question is do our officers know what the rules are pertaining to uh construction in the village? That's the first question. And then the second question is are they proactively going to shut things down
like say a Sunday a holiday or are they waiting if they drive by a construction site on a Sunday and we don't close out here will they go and shut it down and say oh I know that this is uh wrong and that's >> so the answer to your question is yes
uh but it all depends on how the day is going what's going on out there if they're have the time to go buy a construction construction site. They may go by, they may not see anything at the time that they go by. I mean, it's it's it's different.
>> Yeah, they they write reports all the time to code enforcement letting them know we got this guy doing this at the site, you know, uh code violations get reported to to code. >> Okay. Now, I
usually on on something like at a construction site where there's construction workers, usually they'll get off and and and tell them, "Listen, it's you got to you got to shut it down." The problem is is when they say, "No, I'm not doing it." Then there's then there's the other problem. Now,
it's police enforcement. So, >> I think these signs will help tremendously if I think that now you'll be able to go out to a site and just point to the sign and say, "Uh, hello This is this is the the rules. Sorry. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, thank you. Thank you.
Uh like to say I feel much better, but >> I have one final comment science. I I'm I'm really concerned. I don't think that I I hope that a fee and and you get your uh your um deposit back will work. But if you think of the grand scheme of things, if you're building a million
dollar house, if you lose a $100 fee for throwing the sign away, you're probably not going to really care. you're probably throwing away more material in trash than that $100 is worth. If we see that that doesn't work, is it a possibility that we could add that as part of the final inspection that until you turn in our sign, you don't get your final inspection done? That I mean,
that's a question for John. I don't know with our land development code if we can change that to add that language in there that if the sign is not turned in, you don't get your final inspection. >> Why can't we just have them give a deposit? It's like we have to do >> you could, but what I'm saying is if if you're spending a million dollars
building a house, a $100 deposit probably doesn't need all that. >> Okay. It's more of the waste of the signs. If you're if you're continually throwing signs away, all the money we spend, all the the the resources, pick it up. >> Uh to me, I think that we should try to
be proactive about not producing more waste in the village and uh just adding our final inspection. I'm not saying we need to do it now, but being re reactionary to this in six months and saying, "Hey, we lost all our signs, the deposit's not working could be could be our future." >> No, I like the idea of the final
inspection because they can't get the thing done unless they have that final inspection. So, there's the I agree with you, Commissioner. There's the threat. If you're saying that unless you turn your sign in, we're not going to approve your final inspection. That right there stops them, you know. >> All right, John, think about that and
let us know. >> Yeah. and I'll check in with the building official as well because >> Thank you. >> All right. Uh moving on to discussion on property tax reform. Commissioner Ams's item. >> I think a lot of this already um was
touched this, you know, earlier today. So I leave it at that unless you guys have a comment. >> No, I think we talked they talked about it. The only comment I have is I'll echo back what I said last month. I think it was I think it was last month when we
talked about this uh that I think some form of town hall and I know we said that the the the uh uh budget hearing would be our town hall, but when you put the title budget hearing or budget workshop, people automatically click off and want to go to sleep. If you put
property tax hall, you're going to pack this place with people want answers and want to know what's going on. So when we have those answers, when we have those numbers, I I would encourage a town hall. Yeah. >> Workshop that's soul sourced to that because you're going to get a lot more
participation than come to the budget workshop and hear what we're going to do. Uh just just the title alone will >> you say we we use the title we address tax reform and then at the same time touch on the budget.
>> I would do it as a completely separate meeting because people I mean, I heard this complaint this month. I don't like coming to the meetings because they're so long and the item that I want to hear takes so long. If we're if we go item by item in budget and then we're all getting to property tax at the end, even though we'd probably take it at the beginning, people might not want to go.
But if you have a sole source meeting that's just for property tax and the impact that could mean to your residents, I think you're going to have way >> also, we need to have a lot of the facts. I mean, that's numbers. That's going to be the most important thing is on how it's presented at the town hall meeting. If people know it's going to
cost them money, you know, they're gonna they're gonna listen. If it's not going to cost them money, they don't care. >> I think my my my point here was how behind the ball are we? Clearly, everybody's on the same boat based on what we heard, but I think there's work in advance to be done. Jonathan, are you
still there? >> I'm here. >> Yeah. So, um I don't know if you see it, uh, you know, from a mayor's perspective and your conversations, is there something else you recommend? I think based on what David said, what we can do is just prepare scenarios,
let people know that this is sort of what's impacted. We have that already from Paul to a certain extent and then we can even educate but you know we can't even say as that much. So I love the idea of the workshop for the budget.
I think I would just not just exclude the rest of the budget because I think people need to understand they need to be part of it as well. So I will I will try to see how to address that but um I don't know unless do you have anything else Jonathan on this point?
>> Um unfortunately I was not here for David's presentation but I do recall Paul's presentation to us last >> last month in pretty great detail. We spent a lot of time on it and my I mean yes I think a town hall is a good idea. My I I do have some concerns uh that I
would share with Ryan and setting it budget not for the same reasons but only because we tend to take up all of our budget workshop time going through the budget uh and adding another very dense topic to that with a lot of community engagement is just going to blow that meeting up big time. So, it probably
belongs in its own meeting, >> but I would I would hesitate to set that meeting and workshop until we have some more firm figures from Paul. >> Uh, and I mean, look, there's also litigation. There's a lawsuit right now. So, we could plan this whole thing out
and say we're going to address eight different scenarios on how we deal with property taxes only for the lawsuit to, you know, get a temporary injunction. This thing doesn't go on the ballot November. That's my only concern. I I I I hesitate to take affirmative action when there are so many questions about
how it could shake out. I think the best thing we can do at this point is take what we have, ask Paul to run the numbers for us, get an understanding of what it looks like. I I recall Paul telling us that at least as far as that first, assuming it passes at what's been proposed, that we can absorb the
increase in the homestead cap within the first budget year and then plan for the second one, which would be far more substantial. So, I don't know what else there is to do about it right now other than say maybe Paul get us if you can get us a report and some figures we can talk about as a
commission to answer some community questions. Um, but there's a lot of balls in the air on this right now. So, I I hesitate to say something about one of these things now and then two months from now what I just said is completely inapplicable. And people say, "Well, why'd you tell us this? Now it's different. It's it's a shifting
goalpost. It's very difficult." So that's the only way I would see addressing it now is say Paul, can you run some more firm reports for on us? Maybe we can talk about it and present it now, answer some questions. But outside of that, um I don't know there's much else we can do. >> And uh I would just concur with the
mayor. I think that definitely we would blow that budget meeting up if we bring up a heavy topic like that. And and having hearing him say that, you know, what Paul did say last month that there's we can absorb the impact next year. there's not going to be much impact in our on this this bud budget process. This could be something we host
in October, you know. >> And sorry, Ryan, >> one and one thing I apologize. One thing that Paul did say is we not only could we absorb it in the first year in the increase of the cap, but we could absorb it without a a loss of level of service which is a huge important kind of condition on that statement. Sorry. Go
ahead. >> Exactly. So, this could be an issue that we prepare for and we we look to take up in October. But I think that's the main thing is we need to continue to be prepared for it, continue uh asking for those reports from Paul and getting ready to educate. you. And one other
thing, uh, Veronica, on the point that you made, I mean, I I I planned on reaching back out to the county and saying, are are we going to continue with this education campaign? Because >> when we had those meetings with the county, the the the the top item or I guess the only action item that the
county really had to uh tell all the 34 municipalities in Miami date county was you just have to educate your your residents on what it could do. I don't know that any level of education is going to stop somebody from voting to increase their homestead cap and pay
less in property taxes, but I know Art, you you mentioned it like this is it's the easiest couch you bet on the planet. It's going to pass. But >> I'm all in, man. [laughter] >> But I I I don't know that there's any level of education that would stop someone from voting against their own
interests. But um the the way that I see it is I'm happy to reach back out to the county, the folks that were running those meetings to say, "Is there any planned continuation of those meetings?" We had them every Friday at 4:00 for quite a while. Um to ask >> now, right?
>> Yeah, they paused quite a while back after the session had adjourned during uh the first time um and nothing had been really uh proposed or pushed forward at that time, but obviously things changed very drastically since then. So, I'm happy to reach out to the county and ask if we are going to set
those back up. Um, I would ask the commission, you know, if we want to ask Paul if he can run a little bit more of an in-depth report for us and then we can kind of consume it and decide if and when and how we want to hold a community event. Um, but there's yeah, there's a lot of things that can happen between
now and >> tomorrow. >> We just don't know. We just still don't know. It's a lot of a lot of uncertainty. >> I I'm in for with that a call to action. Uh, Jonathan, thank you. Yeah. and keep us updated whatever they talk about. >> I'm going to email them right now actually so I don't forget.
>> All right, guys. I'd like to make a motion to adjurnn. >> Third, fourth. Yes. I >> I >> Yes. [snorts] >> Thanks everybody. I think we adjourned. >> All right. >> Good night everyone. >> Good night.
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