And whereas American women have played and continue to play a critical economic, cultural, and social role in every sphere of the life of the nation by constituting a significant portion of the labor force working inside and outside of the home. And whereas American women have played a unique role throughout the history of the nation by
providing the majority of the volunteer labor force of the nation. And whereas American women were particularly important in the establishment of early charitable, philanthropic, and cultural institutions in our nation. And whereas American women of every race, class, and ethnic background served as early
leaders in the forefront of every major progressive social change movement. And whereas American women have served our country courageously in the military. And whereas American women have been leaders not only in securing their own rights of suffrage and equal opportunity, but also in the abolitionist movement, the emancipation
movement, the industrial labor movement, the civil rights movement, and other movements, especially the peace movement, which creates a fairer and more just society for all. And whereas despite these contributions, the role of American women in history has been consistently overlooked and undervalued in literature, teaching, and the study of American history. Now, therefore, be
it resolved that John that I, Jonathan E. Growth, mayor of the village of Biscane Park, Florida, joined by the entire commission, do hereby issue a proclamation calling to observe the month of March 2026 as women's history month. And that is our final proclamation for
this evening. So our our premeating meeting is uh in adjournment and we will reconvene uh for a six o'clock regular commission meeting. Thanks everyone. Thumbs up. Commissioner, I'll give you a second. Not rushing. I'm not rushing.
>> Yeah, if you just leave that little little strike through there, if the camera's not on, you're good. >> And then you can confirm up there, too. Yeah. >> audio as well. >> Oops.
>> I do. >> All right. Good evening again, everyone. So, I have 602. We're going to go ahead and call to order our regular commission meeting for March 2026. Uh, madame clerk, would you please call the role?
>> Gross. >> Here. >> Vice Mayor Anler. Commissioner Gonzalez. >> Commissioner Huntington >> here. >> Commissioner Sam >> here. >> Mr. Mayor, you have a quorum. >> Great. Thank you, Madam Cler. Can we do the pledge of allegiance, please?
Sorry, I as I understand it, um, as you said, um, Mr. Manager, um, Commissioner Gonzalez is is going to be joining us just a little late, correct? Okay. Okay, great. Um, all right. So, let's go ahead and take a look at our additions, deletions, and withdrawals if there are any. I'll go ahead and open up the floor to the commission if there would like to
be any at this time. >> I'm just gonna uh, does it work? Hello. I don't hear it. >> Lights on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, let me just open real quick.
I'm going to pull item M. I believe it's the January minutes. That's it. >> 9M. >> Um, yes. >> N >> is it? >> Um, January minutes I see as G.
>> I say I I see as M on the left. in the wrong. >> Yeah. >> So, if I >> the one I'm looking at on >> Mhm. >> Make sure I'm not looking at the wrong one. >> That's G. >> A G.
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, we have an M or a G. >> Okay. There you go. Uh, >> thank you. Any >> any others? Mr. Mayor, for presentations 5B, we're
going to kick that to um April. There was a schedule in conflict. She's going to be here in April. >> Let me get back up here to the top. 5B. Yolanda. >> Yes. >> Okay, great.
Um right, if there's no others, I know we have I know we have a couple of presentations. We still have two presentations left. Um, what I'd like to do, if the commission is is comfortable with it, is um move
our presentations uh down under public comment so we can get to public comment. We can do that first. Does that sound all right with the with the commission? And for our presenters, I know we have the fire department here and I know we have Herb, I think, on Zoom with us. So, we appreciate you folks being here with us.
Um, I just want to make sure we want to be sensitive to our residents time. um that we don't go too far down into presentations before we get to public comment. So, I'm just going to take public comment first and then we'll go presentation. Is that okay? Good. Okay. >> All right. So, let's do that. I have 9G
and 5B. So, other than that, do I have a motion to second to approve the agenda as it's been amended? >> I make a motion to approve as it is the agenda as it >> second. All in favor? >> I >> I Okay, so let's go ahead then and get started with our public comment. Uh
we're going to go ahead and start our public comment with folks here in the log cabin. Then we will move on to Zoom from there. Just as a reminder for people offering public comment, please uh the comments are limited to three minutes and please provide us with your uh name and address before you begin. So we will open the floor to those here in
the log cabin to begin going once. We got one. Come on up. We're gonna have a mic check for you before you get started with us. Check. >> All right. >> Hi. Uh, last name is Coral. I live in
960 Northeast 118th Street. Um, you guys have seen me before, maybe under not so good circumstances, but here we are again. Um, I just want to be real quick. Back in 2019 or 2021, the village um the commission and the mayor got really hot
and heavy on driveways. Uh we had a driven ri drive driveway which when we got the letter of compliance, you know that apparently that wasn't an approved surface cuz it was back from the 40s or whatever. Um and we went ahead, we did our thing and we dumped a bunch of money on a new
driveway. It's 2026 and I see a lot of properties or a couple that still are not in compliance. So, um it's not fair. I mean, just to sum it up. So, I just didn't understand. I mean, and I know there's approved
surfaces and a lot of things to be done, but um and there's, you know, um I was just wondering what did that driveway thing just lose momentum or? So, you have three minutes to provide us with a comment. We have a se a separate
section for commission reply. Um so, I don't want to take any more of your time. I want to make sure you have all three minutes before we get into a >> That's all I wanted to say. Okay. >> Great. Thank you very much. Are there any other uh uh people that any other folks that'd like to offer public comment here in the log cabin
before we move on to Zoom? No. Seeing none. Okay. Um turn to Zoom. Oh, looks like we have Anna on there. She's got her hand up. >> Hello all. Anna Daily on 655 Northeast 115th Street. Sorry I can't make it in person tonight, but just wanted to give
you guys an update on our parks and parkways board. Um we continue to discuss the tree replacement project. Um, and in our last meeting, Al came, which was really helpful. Um, and he's moving forward with preparing the paperwork that we need to purchase the
trees from the Steinberg grant. Um, we're still awaiting the paperwork and everything that needs to be done for the um, urban forestry grant and he didn't know as far as timeline when we would receive those funds and be able to move.
Um, so just kind of setting realistic expectations that it's going to be probably over the course of the next year and a half to plant all of the trees that we have just received news that we've awarded. Um, and we recognize that we want those trees in right away
and immediately. Um, so we're also trying to help set and curb our expectations. Um, and just kind of recognize that there is a process. Um, but you know, Al is doing everything that he can to keep us going. Um, and in the meantime, we're continuing to, um,
you know, discuss where all these trees are going to go. Um, and then we're also planning our Arbor Day 2026. It will be on April 25th, the week of during Earth Week. Um, and at our next meeting, we're going to meet next week. Um, we'll finalize the plans, but it'll be in the
morning and more details will come next week. >> Okay, >> that's all. >> Yeah. Thanks so much. >> You're welcome. Bye. >> Okay. >> Right. Seeing no more hands on Zoom for
public comment on having no other public comment here in the log cabin, we'll go ahead and close public comment at this time. I'll move on to our commission reply to public comment. Um, so I'm sorry, what was your name again? Coral. Coro. Okay. Um, personally, quite
honestly, I I don't I'm not entirely sure why that happened. I think I'd just be speculating that I think it did probably just lose some steam. Um, but um, Mr. Manager, do you know uh where we ended up with the driveway? I think it was an ordinance back at the time. Correct. Yeah, I I I know we're pursuing
that, you know, there was a lot of them that were in violation and we continue to pursue those uh with the assistance of our co- compliance department and with the insistence of our our uh our code compliance board, the chair is here tonight, but I I can uh we can uh look
into the the status of all the cases and and draft an LTC and send that forward that to the commission. >> Okay. So if I'd be happy to chat with you and follow up with you um after we Right. I know. Um I understand. So once we have that information from him, um if
you want to shoot me an email, you certainly can. We can connect and I or text me, call me, whatever you like. I'd be happy to follow up with you when we have the information. Okay. Um I don't have any other um reply at this time. Is any are there any other commissioners that like to offer a reply to public comment?
>> You you spoke for one of us. >> Okay. Vice Mayor, >> I agree with what you said. That's it. >> Okay. Um All right. So, we'll go ahead and move on from our public comment and reply. At this time, we'll go back to presentations. See, told you it wouldn't take very long, right? Um All right. So,
um our our first presentation for the evening is our Miami Day County Fire Department. All right. So, good evening, uh, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the council, and to all of our residents at Biscane Park. My name is Ray Jadala, fire chief of Miami Date Fire Rescue,
and, uh, thank you for giving me the opportunity to present the, uh, 2024 2025 service delivery report. Uh this is just a snippet of the a little bit more expanded report that was provided to the village a few months ago and it gives an opportunity at the end if there's any
questions you know that we definitely can answer. Um so we're going to start off the presentation. I know that there's no audio but there's about a two-minute video that you know was put together in regards to the uh the village of Biscane Park. And if we could
go to the next slide and if we could hit play and I I know that there's no audio so I was told I can't beep up so my apologies. So >> you don't want to narrate for us. >> So it's actually just a little bit of uh
you know epic music that's going on. >> Don't feel compelled. >> Yeah, I know. I know. So, you know, it and obviously the the village is um you know, just under 3,000 residents. Um it's a pies-shaped area for within
Miami Day County. And you know, we're going to talk about, you know, the number of calls that have generated as a result, but just some of the calls that have occurred here um in the last uh 12 months or at least the last fiscal year that is.
And then of course, you know, we're going to highlight some of the stations and some of the events that took place uh some of the stations that actually respond to the village of uh Biscane Park. So the first one here,
station 19. So that's our technical rescue unit with our uh our rescue ambulance uh station 20. It's a suppression and engine company and a rescue company along with a battalion chief.
Station 22, it's a uh uh 107 ft ladder. Uh we also have a what we just instal implemented uh last year, the BTU, the uh basic transport unit. It helps offset some of the BLS calls. So, our suppressions, uh, pretty much all of our
suppressions throughout Miami date county with the exception of, uh, four are ALS. And this is station 30 that also responds to Biscane Park. And that uh, sums up the uh, the video. If we could go to the next slide.
So, just a little overview of Miami Date Fire Rescue. Miami date Fire Rescue was formed in 1935. We are last year we celebrated our 90th anniversary. We are the sixth largest fire department. Uh 72 fire stations, 173 frontline units. Uh
just over 3,100 MDFR employees and every day we have uh well over 500 firefighters on duty respond uh 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. Uh last year Miami date fire responded to just under 300,000 calls. And as you can see here in the village, we responded to 217
incidents. uh for fiscal year 24-25 and of course you know very important to us uh and to the community we are an ISO class one and internationally accredited agency. Uh next slide. So just some information within 3 miles of Biscane
Park there are nine stations that uh tend to respond if necessary to the village. Uh that you know comprises of 21 frontline units that could respond you know within minutes to the uh the village.
Uh, no, the other way. Go back one. All right. So, as you can see here, you know, 68 firefighters that could typically respond within uh the, you know, the the drop of the alarm that uh for a structure fire, gas assignment,
medical call, car accident, and as such. Uh, last year, the response time to the village is 8 minutes and 53 seconds. And one of the things that we looked into uh two years ago and last year just you know with the density the traffic one of
our challenges here in the village is actually you know the the narrow roads. Our fire trucks are very large. We've actually had some incidents where some lowhanging branches have actually clipped our ladder companies. Um so you know the speed here with the stop signs
you know every couple of intersections it makes it very difficult. We've looked into it again two years ago. We looked into it last year to look for mechanisms considering the fact that there are quite a few stations around. U but just negotiating some of these uh narrow
streets are very difficult and and as you could see here 200 uh just over 200 calls. Next page. Uh so planning for a safe and sustainable uh resilient future for you know the village. Um, as you can see
here, you know, we had just over 13 recently completed uh or proposed uh planned developments that are going in or around the village of uh Biscane Park. Um, including multif family residences and uh just under 100,000 square feet of commercial and retail.
Um, last year we placed ladder 18 into service, which is one of the units that tends to respond to the village. Uh we actually have a rescue there during the day at night until we could get the uh station finalized which we are expecting within the next 90 days the additional
uh u buildout. We'll have a 24-hour a day, 7-day week rescue and a suppression. But right now during the day the suppression and rescue run out of the station, but at night the rescue gets moved to another station because there are no sleeping quarters. Um and
as you can see just uh we continue to uh grow with the communities. Uh last year you know we inspected 12 businesses for the last fiscal uh year to ensure the fire and life safety codes are upheld in the village of Biscane Park. Next page.
So you know engaging with our residents. Uh there was one help class health and emergency life safety protection uh uh course. This course is a two-hour hands-on course, hands-on CPR, stop the bleed, stroke awareness. Um, and we do
offer this class free of charge to the community. All we all the uh the community needs to do and we just need a place to host it and uh to set the reservation, but it is free to our residents in the community. And one of the things that we do tend to uh um
emphasize is you know uh getting better and patient surveys you know kind of dictate you know where we need to make our improvements. But in the village we only received two um as you could see here and out of a five five out of five we received uh again two village
residents that submitted their uh their surveys and uh gave us top score. And if we go to the next one and you know that wraps up the and again this is such a this is a snippet of the larger uh report that was provided to the
village and back in January and I open up the floor for any questions. So thank you so much >> chief. Thanks very much for for joining us and for providing the information. Um I don't think I have any questions. I just want to express my appreciation for for your help to the the community uh
here in Biscane Park. >> Thank you Mr. Thank you. I want to thank you for coming out tonight. I don't have any question. Just a couple things I'd like to do if possible to set up with the last thing you were talking about that class. I think it'll be good for communication between the fire department and and the residents. I
think that we can if you know get it right. Um I would like to set up with that. >> Absolutely. >> Through the city manager, of course. >> Yes. And we definitely will. and she's taking the information down and uh tomorrow morning we'll have the EMS division contact so we could schedule. >> Yeah, cuz we got definitely they can be
here or it can be at the rec center. >> Absolutely. >> Uh the 853 is that normal? >> I mean 8 8 minutes sounds like a lot. >> Yes. So the the standard across is about 8 minutes with the actual dispatching
you know the call coming in and dispatching. So if you take away just the response time, it's about in the 5 minute to 5 minutes and 20 seconds depending if it's a medical or fire call. This time includes the actual time processing from our 911 and our
dispatchers. Typically the standard across the US is 8 minutes. Um unfortunately as you could see here with the dent you know with the population with the traffic and the narrow roads and I know that you know when we pulled the report to see what we had looked
into from two years ago and last year our challenges are just that you know the narrow roads negotiating some of the narrow roads with the bigger trucks um you know we've looked at the actual response time because we actually have GPS on all of our apparatuses just to
ensure that they are going the you know the fastest route you you know the most direct route and you know we haven't been able to make you know necessary changes as a result of again it's very difficult to just widen roads you know tomorrow or you know chop trees right
away so >> well if you have any ideas that I mean our city manager if you have any ideas that we can fix that you know I know it's it's difficult because we got small roads and the trees and stuff and if there's any suggestions that you can come up with and present it to our city
manage it. >> Absolutely. And uh we were just talking about that uh it's a very similar uh setup with Miami Springs with the trees. Uh the roads not necessarily, you know, the issue, but uh we were discussing it uh before we came here and if anything,
we'll we'll have a conversation with the the village manager >> and also there's stuff that um uh public relations that you can have that we can present to the residents. Oh, absolutely. We can hand out. I mean I I think if we do that the res especially with kids
>> we have big program Mr. Isa has a big program at the rec center and I think if we can have stuff that uh um we can hand out to kids have classes on that and I think we'll get absolutely and in our department we actually have a splash program you know uh help teach uh
children to swim um but when we actually schedule when we you know the EMS division schedules the uh the help course uh we'll make sure that there are information that we could uh pass out where we could actually schedule other classes other courses and what may be
forthcoming in the uh the spring and the summer especially for the children. >> Yeah. Again, thank you. I appreciate >> Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much for coming for present and for your service. >> Thank you, Commissioner. Appreciate
that. >> Chief, uh like everyone else said, thank you for being here tonight. Uh I just want to thank the men and women of your department for serving this community and Miami County. Uh I I concur with Commissioner um Samaria. The health program sounds like a great class to host here at the village. So I want to
thank you again for being here and your presentation. >> Thank you Commissioner. Thank you all for the support and I truly appreciate the time here. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Sure. >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Yes. Oh, well all a lot of times, not a lot of times, but they do. So when we do
have the freight train that goes through um you know station 20 so every fire station pretty much in the United States has a nickname. So they are the uh the uh uh night train. So that train does you know tend to go out even at night
and we could have a one to three minute delay um as a result. Now at the same time we are requesting additional resources on the other side of the tracks to start the response time and that is standard you know protocol. >> Yes sir.
>> One other thing and know would I'll talk to the city manager about it but I'd like to have an event you know with the fire uh with the fire department and the residents you know we can make it with mascot whatever just make it a big fun day >> you know. Oh yes fantastic. Yeah, the
public so we could get our community affairs, you know, dialed in also. So, you know, everything that we'll make sure that when we have the discussion as big as we can make it, you know, we'll we'll, you know, make sure that we can go that route. So, absolutely >> cuz we have a lot of kids in this neighborhood. So, I think it
>> okay >> help a lot. Thank you again. Thank you for coming out here. >> No, no, thank you. Thank you, Chief. >> Thank you, sir. All right. So, uh, our presentation 5B, uh, from Yolanda, we're moving to next
month. So, our next presentation for this evening. Thank you all for being with us this evening. Good night. Uh, so our next presentation is uh, our strategic planning
consultant, Herb. Uh, Herb, are you still uh, are you still on the line with us? >> I am. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. So, the floor is yours, Herb. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Commission, manager, Madame Clerk, Mr. Attorney, thank you for the time this evening. Uh,
you uh we'll have the uh draft of the vision plan. Apologies. Apologize interrupting. It's a little hard to hear you. >> Okay, let me see if I can move closer. That any better? A >> little bit.
>> All right. I'll I will shout at you instead. >> Thank you. Uh page one uh is the vision, mission and organizational values we discussed in in the retreat and you endorse those. Uh my purpose tonight is simply to go
through the plan. Uh if I have documented anything in error, I'd like it to be corrected or if I've omitted anything you talked about. Uh primarily I'd like to make sure it's an accurate description of the discussion that we had. So, uh, as we start on the goals,
uh, please look at them. And if there's anything else you'd like to comment on, uh, now's the time. So, if we can go to page two, please. Okay. The first goal is really uh, you've got a lot of work that's still ongoing from the 2026 plan, and the goal
is to either complete or continue progress on that. And you see a list of 11 projects there that you discussed uh in our retreat today. Uh the manager gave you updates on them and y'all indicated you wanted everything to continue to move forward. So that's the
first goal to do that. I I didn't necessarily prioritize these goals, but this is obviously, you know, you're already in work, so you certainly want to complete it. So goal two represents uh a lot of our discussion on, you know, a number of other short-term lowerc cost
projects that you wish to get done. So let me just review those very quickly. Uh item 12 are projects related essential maintenance, repairs and upgrades. You know we spent all time talking about road reservicing, driveway visibility. Uh you want to have is you directed
establishing line item specifically for tree trimming uh you know which was relevant given the prior presentation you had and drainage cleanup and that that work is on schedule and it begins in April. Item 13 is about various community enhancements to make the community even more attractive. You have
the playground upgrades coming and so we noted that. Uh you also have a plan for landscaping improvements and you see the sequence of those there. On that item 13C is a discussion about the renovation of alleys. You'll have a substitute discussion about that. The first step
there is just determine your your legal analysis. You know what's options to you and then to do a walkability analysis. So there's work there. Uh item D is a clean air initiative. Already have that ordinance coming to you soon. Uh but it was clearly you know in terms of protecting the health of your children
particularly around the parks. If we can move to the next uh slide. Uh and then you know the item was about a volunteer program to help senior citizens on housing and uh your first task there was do a needs assessment. uh
you talked about cyber security uh and you know you will be getting a briefing on that to plan and then you'll give further direction after that state of the village event you certainly endorsed that the mayor's responsible and you're doing a trial this year uh you I talked
about doing a village brand including a branded identity for all the village vehicles so that uh that and then the branding of of just the village facilities themselves to to do that and then a communication policy uh which you discussed in some and the
manager told you it's being developed for your review soon. So uh item 16 is about organizational effectiveness. You want to a procurement by resolution practice. You directed to move to that to to make it more efficient and to uh delegate the manager 50,000 purchasing
authority. Both of those are so you can get projects moving in a quicker manner. Uh you talked about modifying the permit fee to from 100 to at least $500. And then uh you talked about standard operating procedures and you know you direct direct the manager responsible
for that and uh he'll report you on that. We can move to next slide next screen. This is goal three. This is where we had a lot of substance discussion the morning of Saturday. Uh the first there
uh is an in what I call an integrated master infrastructure plan. You've got a a lot of major infrastructure projects underway and they they're noted in bullets there. There are various stages. Some are analyzed, some some of the analysis done, some of it's underway, some of it's to be done. Uh so there
really three tasks there. One, complete these various studies. Task two is develop an integrated analysis so that these things work together. You don't want to, you know, resurface a road and then have to tear it up uh for a sewer pipe. And then task three is develop a
multi-prong funding strategy. As you well recognize there's a significant cost here. There's not going to be any one funding source. You're going to have to have multiple funding sources. And so uh but the whole thing there is is really a master infrastructure plan. Uh the second strategy there is what are
called a master recreation plan. Again this is a facility base but it's also programs. Uh and you develop two tasks out there. First is just identify any modifications to your existing structure so that you can increase your programming. And then secondly, develop a long-term recreation master plan that
would look at a modernized facility, a more walkable, bikable village. You talked about ideas, the alleys and along the the roads and various expanded uh safety programs. You did talk about uh public facilities. You need to fund your
public works warehouse. Can I continue or how? >> Yeah, we we lost you. >> Okay. How do I get back here? >> Just keep going. I I got you on speaker. >> Got you on speaker. Okay. Well, I was on the very last strategy there. Uh
resident infrastructure. You wanted to make sure your resident knew about their options regarding solar conversion and underground utilities. >> Yes. So ladies and gentlemen, uh that that is the document based on our conversation. U is it accurate to your
reading? Any comments you have? >> Yeah. So her um you're probably hearing me kind of echoing now. So I have the manager's phone. >> Sure. >> And also speaking in microphone. We we lost you right around that third about halfway through that third goal, I
think. >> Okay. All right. >> We right before you started the master recreation plan. >> Okay. Well, let let me just back up and do that. Uh in addition to the master infrastructure plan, you talked about a master recreation plan. Uh that both
short and long term. The the short term was to look at your existing facility for any modifications you can make so that you could increase your programming capacity. Task two is a long-term recreation master plan that would look at a more modernized facility in south look at more how you can increase the
walkability backability of the village and how you could expand your recreation programs. Uh the next item there were public facilities which is dealing with your public works warehouse. uh the task is to develop a cost and funding options and the last was a public information
thing so that your residents knew about the options regarding solar conversion and underground utilities as you get information about it. Uh so uh my I guess my question of you is is it complete? Did I I miss anything you
talked about we need to add or did I me misrepresent anything that uh your direction? So It seems to me, Herb, that this captures uh both the essence and the detail of the discussions over those two days that we all met. Um I I I don't see any
deficiencies or mischaracterizations or anything like that. It looks like this does a pretty good job. >> That's right. >> Uh but I will certainly ask the rest of the commission how they feel about the the summary. So herb if you can hear me. >> Yes. >> Sorry this is very is a little awkward.
>> So joy technology. >> Yeah. The commission's unanimous that that this looks good and that it captures everything that we discussed in a a detailed fashion. So >> good. Um, I I'll certainly ask the commission if there's any questions for you at this time, but I think I think that we're all aligned that this this
does a good job in in capturing what we discussed. So, does the commission have any questions for her while we have them? >> I just have one question. I think on the previous workshop I was description
staff. >> Did you Did you hear the question? >> Uh the commissioner has muffled it. Could you repeat it for me, mayor? >> Go ahead. I'm going to give the phone to her. >> Okay. >> Sorry, we're passing the phone.
My question was um if I'm not mistaken on the previous workshop we did uh in the similar format >> there was a timeline assigned to this goals. Is that a secondary phase of the plan? Does this just first agree that
we're all looking at the same things and we're aligned and the next is to face it out. >> Yes. This the the key tonight is that you endorse it. the manager will take that task and he will assign appropriate timelines to it. Uh once once you've
accepted this, you know. >> Perfect. All right. Absolutely. Thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> Very good. Well, I wish you well. I'm sure you'll make great progress as you have last year and it was certainly a pleasure to have worked with you. Thank
you again for the opportunity. So, >> thanks very much. >> Good night. >> Thanks. >> Okay. the issue with the driveways and and I know back at the when the driveways thing came up, it was there was like this whole uh campaign per se to like
make you know brighten up the village and make it I guess make it more attractive. Um the some of the conditions in some of the yards are um embarrassing. You know, they like they
have like uh not too many but a few um that I can think of. And is there like some kind of um a code or u something that states that you know you can't for example if you
have your Halloween decorations are your own. Is that like a problem? Same thing for Christmas or anything like that. You know, litter in the yard, you know, there's a few that um I was just wondering if that was part of the, you know, Sure. Yeah. Short answer because
that's a mouthful. It's a bit of a loaded question. Short answer is yes. There there are codes that that deal with aesthetics. I remember uh the the immediately the immediate previous commission had did pass a a code with respect to things like uh holiday
displays being displayed past certain time frames. So there are there are those things. >> Yeah, I was just using that as an example. >> Yeah, of course. I and yeah, I I understand. And so um you know, I don't want to speak on behalf of Dorene by any means, our our um our code director. Um but there is, you know, there's
enforcement vehicles. we have people out and you know issuing citations if they are doing the investigations. I I would encourage you um to have a chat with with Dorene if you have specific questions about certain ordinances excuse me or codes um or specific properties you know if you have one in
mind that you're thinking of and and maybe have that conversation with her. Um you know we generally at the commission meetings we don't dive into like the very specifics about each individual house because this is more of a general report from our code department on what they've been up to in the last month. So if you're thinking about, you know, there's a specific
question about code enforcement. Sorry, Janie. Go ahead. No, it's okay. Sure. So, uh, Janie serves on the code board as well. I don't know if it's related to this, but um, I guess the the the response I would say is um, I would
encourage you to get together with our code director because she can give you some more specific answers to maybe some of the more specific questions you have. >> And that would be, >> but there are codes. >> Dorian's back here. She's our co-director. Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Sure. Of course.
>> So, I'm going to keep uh keep going if I'll let them go ahead and and sort that out. So, if there's no other questions on our code report for the evening, I'm going to go ahead and move on to finance. Um, are there any questions uh on the finance report this evening? I know we have Paul here with us. Any questions?
Hearing none. Okay, Paul, you're sticking around with us until the uh the property tax discussion. That's going to be at the very end. You sticking around? Sorry, I was What's that?
Okay. Um All right. So, Um, okay. So, let's go ahead and move on to parks and wreck. While Isa is walking out the door, are there any questions on the parks and wreck uh report this evening? >> No.
>> Hearing none. Okay. Move on to police. Uh, any questions for the police the police department report this evening? >> I have one, Chief, if you don't mind. Step on up, Chief >> Carlos A, Chief Police,
>> Chief. >> Uh, good evening. So, um, I saw about Jorge Romeo as the NRO in your report, which is great to see. >> Um, I was wondering I saw the flyer and I was wondering how the flyer was distributed. That was my first question.
>> Uh, we put it on the website, correct? >> Yeah. >> Yes. We we asked to make some copies and we'll be distributed on the website also physically you will have >> great come to our door >> because I think it would be great you know as much as possible to distribute
so everybody knows that we have that ongoing because that was one of the things you ma'am you presented so >> they've already he's already been visiting the houses and I talking to the to the president >> that was going to be my second question I'm sure there is a a scope for him to
start with and and I was thinking how are you prioritizing this sort of knocking on the door. >> Well, we're starting on one end of the city and hopefully getting to the other end of the city, you know, obviously it's going to be a slow pace. Uh sometimes it turns into two-hour
conversations. Sometimes they have to leave to go handle a call and then come back, but yeah, the the officer is on a daily basis going out knocking on doors, talking to the people. >> So, I'll get to meet him at some point. >> He will be knocking on your door
>> soon. And then um and with that said, you know that we have a list of those that might need a specific um uh how do we call the list? Uh most need a list >> that need a list or >> we are we had one uh previously that
we're updating. Some people don't live here anymore. Some people have passed. >> Uh but yes, we're we're maintaining a list and um it's working out pretty well. it's working out because I think the fact that it's going door todoor is going to give a chance to update that
and you know sort of revitalize that opportunity of addressing those that were most in need. Um so I'd love to see that. Thank you so much. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thanks very much, Chief. >> Okay. Um I lost my place.
So public works. Uh any question on the public works report? >> One, John. I'll keep you busy. Just have one for you if you don't mind joining the mic. Um, so I saw in your report that there is we use the app for, you know, people use the app to do service
requests and you have certain call. I was wondering if if you get a lot of those and usually what what's the >> trees? have I'm saying the dead well you know three weeks ago we had that freeze so we had a lot of animals I'm saying
iguanas >> and um I'm saying potholes a few of the potholes and few of the low limbs hanging low limbs >> okay >> so I'm doing my best and >> since we had the um saying the fire
the truck in there I'm saying you know I'm hoping that it can push forward you know where the commissioning so we can lift up all the trees, set the tree calendar. >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. All right. Uh but it's
great to see that residents are using the app to go directly and ask for help uh on the app itself or they calling how what's the the the way they they get to you? >> I have a few phone calls but I'm not in the office. Yeah. You know what I'm
saying? That much. So, >> you know what I'm saying? I need to divide my time to look at the gov, you know, to work a little bit outside, work a little bit inside. >> Got it. You gotta do it all. I know. >> Yep. I'm trying. >> I appreciate it. That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you, John. >> Okay. Um, so that's it for our department reports. Uh, unless there's any questions on on the CIP report. Are there any questions from the commission on the CIP report before we move forward? No. Okay. Um, okay. So, let's jump into
commission reports really quickly. Um, I do have a couple of quick updates um specifically on property tax. I know we're going to be getting to that. So, um I'll just be very brief um because I detailed things we'll discuss when we get down there. But the county we've
been um attending I attended the uh the Miami Dade County League of Cities meeting on this and continuing to to attend the weekly meetings on this with the county. Um, and the county has asked for a bit of a detailed kind of summary from the village and from all the
municipalities. Uh, so Paul, this is what I was uh texting with you about last week after that meeting was over. Uh, we did get a breakdown from the county on what they're looking for from us. There are categories. I don't know. I know you were on the email as well, Al. I don't know if we forwarded it to you yet. This was just today that we just got that. So, yeah, we'll make sure
we get that to you. I know you provided us previously with the the high level summary of percentage of revenue in the budget and where property tax, you know, fits into that, but there's some more detailed questions that they have. Um, so that's the update. Did you have something on that, Al?
>> No, no, I I you probably haven't seen it yet, but I did forward it to you and um I've got copies, so at when we bring up that discussion item, I'll I'll hand them out to all the commission. >> Okay, perfect. So, I'll wait until we get down there. Um, I got an update from
the our county commissioner on DOT and our crosswalk that's going over down on 107th. Um, they were contacted by DOT and told that it was going to be delayed for a much longer time than they originally said. However, we have an
advocate in Commissioner Steinberg's office. Uh, her chief of staff, I don't know if it's chief of staff or not, but Margie in her office um is advocating for us to say, "No, you promised us this timeline and we want it done by this time." So, she's going to give us another update, but she's pushing back on our behalf, which is kind of her. Um,
>> this pushup, >> uh, Margie in Commissioner Steinberg's office, she was very, very helpful and and and, um, very, uh, fierce advocate advocate on our behalf to get that done in the time frame that
they told us they would. Uh, so that was just a quick update there. I know I think uh, everyone saw the update from FPL. We talked about undergrounding at the strategic session. Um FPL has no additional planned undergrounding at this time. Uh they told us none in 2025
and they told us again none now in 2026. So we'll stay on them and hope that they change their minds. Um there was I think I think this went to everyone. There was a resident who had reached out to the commission talking about traffic calming measures through
the ILA on 119th Street. Um I spoke with again Margie who's a fantastic resource for us. She put us directly in touch with uh DOT and the county said they're going to be lending us some of the county
resources to uh conduct a study on that street specifically. So I know we have state for streets for all coming. I know we have a wider study of traffic in and um in mitigation on that front. Uh but they're going the county is going to be giving us um giving us some of their
resources to collect data to provide recommendations based on that data um for that road specifically. Hey there. Uh I didn't get a timeline, but they said that they were going to help us with that. uh and that I did again confirm going back to the ILA that once we have that data we are going to be
able to use it to implement some traffic caling measures specifically in that area. So that's not wider a wider um village uh study at this time but it's specifically to that area that was requested. So >> so I want to understand so what does that mean? Does it mean that they're
lending a certain markers to to in order to gather data? >> Well I'll think I'm allowed to provide this to the manager. Well, you have it, Al. And I think we're allowed to provide this to the to the commission. So, I'll ask Al to to forward it because it's really just opinions from the county on
answering some of those questions that were asked to us. And I'll just read to you verbatim what she told me because I don't want to misrepresent what she's saying. She confirmed that Northeast 119th Street is a local residential road uh with east west stopping conditions at
11th Place and 10th A, which are the roads with connectivity to the north and south accesses for the neighborhood. We meaning the county will collect data to provide recommendations based on the collected data and vehicular crash records. So they're going to provide they're going to collect the data and
then share the data with us with the village of Biscane Park um to see how we can use that data to implement some uh calming measures based on the ILA. So it was good of them to to offer to do this for us based on the request. So my my
doubt is how is their data different than our data in terms of traffic and accidents and all of that that we we would rely on their data instead of using ours. >> It believes again I believe this is my understanding through the emails and the discussion that I had is that they're
collecting more um like vehicle count and speeds rather than just trac. >> How do they do that? >> The counters. >> Which counters? you know, they put the they they did it on 107th where they put the the wire across and they count cars
and they are able to take speeds. >> So that's what I'm saying. So hopefully they will lend that to us in order to do that sort of recollection. I >> believe that's what they're saying they're going to be doing. This was Yeah, this is just from the other night. So I'm I'm They said they'd be following up with us, but Al, if you wouldn't mind
sharing that uh with the rest of the commission, they can and everyone can just kind of see what they said. But they offered some help, so we just had to ask. >> Mhm. >> Uh so I don't have anything else. Um we'll go ahead and open the rest of the commission. >> Yeah. The only thing I have is um is and
it probably be when we discuss the property tax, but I wanted to find out from the city manager and this commission if it's possible if we can have either a workshop or town hall meeting for the residents in reference to when this property tax uh because a lot of residents are not a lot residents
that approach me are concerned about the property tax thing that's happened to Tallahassee. If we can possibly have maybe a town hall meeting or something. Yeah, we so to answer that question, uh the the discussions that we have with the county um are saying education, voter education is a big part of this because ultimately we'll go to the
voters if there's anything approved by the state legislature. So the answer is yes, there will be an educational component, but right now there's no definitive action by the state yet. There is a proposal that left the house on how to handle it one way, but there
are there's no definitive action from the Senate or from the governor's office yet on which way it's going to go. So, we can't there's really no we can't educate until we know what they're proposing to do and put on the ballot. >> Okay. >> Uh Mr. Mayor, I recently returned from
Washington DC where I had a meeting with Congresswoman Fedria Wilson. It was a great meeting. Unfortunately, she was unable to attend due to the snow event that happened just prior to my travel up there. So, I did meet with her staff and uh you know, I thanked her for her representation in in uh Washington for
our community. I spoke a little bit about our needs as far as a village that uh we would welcome any local funding requests that that she would champion. Specifically talked about the rec center and how we just had our strategic planning. Talked about the future of that facility. Uh her staff was very uh
encouraged by the the the talks and said that that's actually a pro a project that she could get behind. right now her initiative is uh for uh projects that that ele elevate the lives of children and I explained how we are a community that has neighboring communities that
that use our parks quite regularly and they were excited about it and they said they'd be in contact with the village manager to continue the talks about some kind of funding request in the future. So uh >> that's great. >> I uh I invited her here. I don't know if she'll take me up on the offer to to visit us one one day in the log cabin,
but her staff was familiar with our log cabin. remembered our our quaint little meeting place here and uh we'll hear back what she says about visiting us for a meeting one day, maybe after session is over. >> Excellent. Well, thanks for taking the time out of the uh the trip up to DC to to get into her office. And
>> it was on the uh day of State of the Union, so it was quite busy in the office. >> I can only imagine. >> How was the weather? >> Very cold. I got stuck in a about a 60 person line going through security in a Miami suit, not a Washington D suit. And
I forgot my jacket in the car, so I was freezing by the time I got to that security line. >> Great. Thanks, Commissioner. I appreciate you taking the time to to meet with the uh the congresswoman's office and invite them down and advocate on behalf of the village. >> Thank you again for getting Was that a
personal trip that you were going on? Because I was just curious how you happened to pick. Yes, it was a personal trip that took me to Washington, but I decided to reest it. >> Oh, definitely. >> Two birds. >> No, I wanted to thank you for doing that. Thank you. >> Great, Vice Mayor.
>> Thank you. All touch on my points. Thank you for addressing us over there. And uh that's it. >> Okay. All right. Got got anything. All right, everyone. So, uh, that'll conclude our commission reports for the
evening. So, let's go ahead and, uh, move on down to our consent agenda, our amended consent agenda. Do I have a first and a second to approve the consent agenda? >> I make a motion to approve the consent agenda with the changes that were made. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor?
>> I I >> I Okay. And I'd just like to uh extend appreciation and thanks to our uh new board members with the Biscane Park Foundation, Alisandre and Sarah, and uh our new board member with the sustainability and resilience board, Tammy. Thank you. Thank the three of you
for uh volunteering your time and joining one of our boards and certainly uh helping the foundation continue to operate and meet now that we have a quorum. So, thank you all very much for taking the time and putting in your application. Uh, all right. So, that concludes our consent agenda. Let's go ahead and go
down to our ordinances. Uh, we have a few this evening. Our first is ordinance 20126-01. John, would you uh be so kind as to read it onto the record for us? Sir, this is an ordinance of the village commission of the village of Bascane
Park uh Florida amending the code of ordinances village of Biscane Park to prohibit smoking and excessive idling of vehicles at city parks providing for inclusion of the code providing for conflicts providing for scrier errors providing for severability and providing for an effective date. >> Right. Thanks John. Do I have a first
and a second to approve the ordinance? Make motion to approve the ordinance 202601 clean act forbidding smoking in the village parks. >> Second. >> Okay. Is there any public comment on the ordinance before we move to discuss? Any on Zoom? Do we have anyone on Zoom?
No. Okay. Um All right. Uh no no seeing or hearing no public comment. Um is there let's go ahead and uh move to discussion. Is there any discussion on the ordinance before we uh do a roll call for vote? or Al, did you want to introduce?
>> Yeah. So, um, Mr. Mayor, so this is the first reading of the ordinance. Um, this is, um, been discussed at by the parks and recreation director for a very long time. And, um, as you know, um, other jurisdictions around us, uh, have
ordinance similar to this where they don't allow smoking and vaping within the park. And we also, um, included idling. There's an issue of cars idling um that has become an issue for our parks parks and recreation director. So
we would ask that you approve this on first reading and schedule it for a second and final public hearing. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Manager. Is I know this is kind of coming genesis with you. Is there anything you wanted to comment on or provide to us
before we discuss up to you? I think the manager touched on it perfectly, but like we're we're far behind the A-ball on this. Every all Miami Day parks don't allow it. Miami Beach even doesn't allow it. um and all our neighboring parks already have these
ordinances in place. So um with the increase in vaping has really been a problem. And then just for enforcement for us, people are usually okay when we ask them um to at least step to the sidewalk. Um but for con convenience purposes, people will sit right next to
the playground and smoke a cigarette and then we don't have places for people to trash it. So where does that go? Right to the ground. Uh put out in the grass, you know. So, this is something we desperately needed. I've kind of pushed over the last couple of managers to kind of get the ball rolling on this. So, I
appreciate the manager helping get this going. >> I I think that was my question if you don't mind, Issa. First, thank you because I think it's I I just don't understand how this was unressed before to be honest with you. It was surprised, you know, to hear it uh during our
strategic planning session uh that this is happening, but we never got to to see an ordinance about this. And I am happy you brought it up and then it's done and it's about time. >> No, >> definitely. >> Especially around I mean it makes sense on the wreck with all the kids and all the cars that we have
>> and we'll get signage and then so the parking issue with the idling cars is mostly in the afternoons you have parents or nannies or grandparents who sit in the car during practice. Um so the goal is to get them to >> cut the car off, step outside, but I think we have it at an hour like 40
minutes or something as as the limit. Um, but in that it it's a it's not like 15 minutes where we're just kicking everybody out for sitting in the car when they're doing drop offs and stuff, but a significant amount of time sitting there idling in the car. >> Um, so and I know Commissioner
Huntington brought that up with the with the Clean Air Act. >> Um, with them doing the exercises, they're even more susceptible to breathing in those fumes. >> Absolutely. Um, so what's how does the enforcement go? So signage will be the first institution and with the ordinance
number added to it. Um we're not going to oversign the place. Um similar to how we have the no dogs in the park ordinance up in in several locations around the park, but that just allows staff to then point to the signs and say, "Hey, this is not a rule. This is a law of the village, right?
>> We need you to abide." And then that helps us that we need to go to the next level of code enforcement's assistance or police assistance to say, "Hey, this is the law and they're refusing to obey by this." Um, and now we need your help. >> Got it. >> Thank you.
>> Um, just a quick question. So, I love signs, but I don't love signs. So, the question is, >> um, can we consolidate all of the signage that we're doing, um, to to so that we don't continue to add more signs? Me and John were just looking at
signs the other day. So that definitely is my goal. I'm not a sign person. I think it it takes away from interaction, not interaction of staff as well, too. So I want them to help push it uh vocally. But yeah, so I want to consolidate the signs and kind of just
have them in in main locations. Even the dog no dog signs are kind of on the outskirt of the park. So when people are interior, they're like, "Where's the sign? I don't see a sign." So, we'll put them in hightra areas and kind of list them. Um, especially these laws that are now in place. So, definitely great
point, sir. >> First, I want to thank you for bringing this up. I'm just surprised that this hasn't been brought up in the past. We are a lot of times Biscane Park gets far behind things. So, I'm glad we have this. This is very important, especially when we have kids. >> Absolutely. >> Kids hanging out the rec center. There
should be no smoking, vaping, and all of that. So, I'm glad that's going to be done. Thank you. Thank you, Issa, for bringing this up and I'm just glad we're taking this important step to protecting the respiratory health of our children and our residents. So, thank you. >> Thanks very much, Isa. >> No problem. Thank you.
>> Appreciate it. >> Uh, all right. So, if there's no other discussion on the item, um, Madame Clerk, would you call the role? >> Mayor Gro, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Angela. >> Vice Mayor,
>> sorry. Uh, yes. Commissioner Gonzalez >> C. >> Commissioner Huntington. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Samra. >> Yes. >> The item passes on first reading 50. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, all right. So, our second and final ordinance of
the evening is ordinance 2026-02. John, would you be so kind as to please read it for us? >> Yes, sir. Uh this is an ordinance of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida. Amending the code of ordinances village of Biscane Park to regulate the installation and maintenance of synthetic turf, providing
for inclusion in the code, providing for conflicts, providing for scrimmers errors, uh providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. >> Thank you, John. Do I have a motion and second to move the ordinance to discussion? >> Motion to move to discussion. >> Okay. Okay. Is there any public comment
uh here in the log cabin or on Zoom with respect to the ordinance before we move forward? Seeing and hearing none. Uh okay. Um uh Mr. Manager, was there anything that you wanted to introduce with respect to this ordinance?
>> Yes. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. So um this ordinance was brought to us by the co- compliance department. If you drive around the the village, you'll see more and more homeowners are installing satnic turf or or or artificial turf and
not only in their sideyards or backyards, but also in their front yards. So, we're we're actually preempted by the state. The state allows it in residential districts. Um but we can adopt guidelines and that's what
this ordinance is doing is adop adopting guidelines to make sure that the uh the homeowners are following those guidelines that have been implemented by the state. >> Okay. Thanks Hal. Uh John, uh just a very quick question for you. So my
understanding is that this tracks this this because we're preempted by the state. This this ordinance simply tracks the state regulations on artificial turf. >> Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Are there is there any other discussion or questions on the ordinance from the rest of the
commission? >> Just that we're not saying that the residents can't do it. It's just that we're provisioning guidelines that the state requires. Right. No, what what um what the state legislation does is it
prohibits local governments from prohibiting synthetic t turf installation and says and said uh very specifically that uh and directed uh the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to develop a set of
guidelines that is the maximum regulation that local governments can apply to this installation. ation of synthetic turf. And so we've taken those those uh FD
guidelines and um put them into the ordinance. So we mirror exactly what the state says is the maximum amount of regulation we can have um over the installation of
synthetic turf. You can still do it. You just got to follow the guidelines. I mean, what what we can't do is prohibit it. >> That's that's what I don't want to do. I don't want to prohibit. I I don't want to prop tell a property owner you can't put turf on your thing. Now, if there's
rules that they got to follow, I'm support of that. Okay. Right. Are there any other questions on the ordinance? Hearing none. Okay. So, Madam Clerk, would you please call the role? >> Mayor Grub, >> yes. >> Commission Vice Mayor Angela,
>> yes. >> Commissioner Huntington, >> yes. >> Commissioner Gonzalez. >> Commissioner Samro, >> yes. >> Mr. Mayor, the item passes on first reading 50. >> Thank you very much, Madam Clerk. All right, so that concludes our ordinance section for the evening. Let's move on down to our resolutions. Our first
resolution for the evening is resolution 2026-9. Uh, John, would you be so kind as to please read it on the record for us? >> Yes, sir. Resolution number 2026-9, a resolution the village commission of the village of Biscane Park, Florida, approving a memorandum of understanding between the village of Biscane Park and
the South Florida Police Benevolent Association temporarily suspending certain provisions of article 15 of the parties collective bargaining agreement for the purpose of single promotion process authorizing the mayor and village manager to execute theou
providing for conflicts scrier's errors for severability and an effective date. Thanks very much, John. Do I have a motion to move to discussion? >> I'd like to make a motion to approve resolution 202619, approve anou between a village and PBA reference sergeant
exam waiver. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh so Al, I know uh this one has a backup memo to it with from you and the chief. Is there anything you'd like to >> I'll allow the police chief to introduce it and explain why it's on the agenda.
>> Line up, chief. And once again, Mr. Mayor, um, and commission. So, uh, unfortunately, um, this all was triggered by a request from our detective who recently turned 70 years
old. And, uh, he's a wonderful detective, but, he he plans on demoting himself back to reserve. uh he's got some some issues uh going on at home and he he he can't handle the the the full-time position anymore. So,
that triggered uh an opening in the detective bureau and a sergeant wants to take that position as a detective. He's qualified for it and uh and and we're okay with it, but that requires a self-demotion. So, that leaves me with a
sergeant's position opening. I only have two people that are eligible based on the rules and uh uh the requirements. One does not want it, the other one does. So, there's no reason to give a test. We spoke to the PBA. They
immediately send me a uh an agreement that they're good with it and that's why it's here in front of you today and u and I I pray that you uh agree with it. >> All right, Chief. Thanks very much. Are there any questions for the chief on uh
on the the resolution? >> If you're okay with I trust your judgment. >> Thank you. >> No questions for me. Just congratulations on the promotion to the new sergeant. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh any other questions?
>> No. >> No. Okay. Um All right. So uh so having concluded the discussion portion all in favor of the resolution >> I >> I >> I thank you chief.
All right. So our where I'm I'm lost in our the agenda here. All right. So the next the next resolution we have on the agenda this evening is res resolution 2026-20. U John would you be so kind as to please read it under the record for us? >> Yes sir. This is resolution number
202620. It is entitled resolution the village commission of the village of Biscane Park Florida accepting the lowest quote submitted by Joe's landscaping and tree service for the trimming of the trees around the recreation center at Edbert Park authorizing the village manager to execute all necessary documents and
expend budgeted funds for the trimming of the trees providing conflict scrers error severability and an effective date >> right John thanks very much do I have a motion and a second to move to discussion >> I make a motion to approve resolution 2020 2620
>> second. >> Okay. Uh so Al, I know this one. Well, they all have cover memos, so I don't need to say that for all of them, but do you want to comment or introduce the item for us, Al? >> Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Uh so we had um some coconut trees around the recreational
center that we had recently um trimmed uh so to make sure that nobody was injured from falling coconuts. Uh so we took care of all those trees and and while we were doing th that we looked around the park for all the trees the
additional trees within the park and noticed that they were in much need to be trimmed and it's been a very long time since they have been trimmed. So we uh went out and got uh three quotes and Joe's landscaping was the lowest quote to to perform those services. So we're
asking you to approve this tonight. >> Okay. Thanks Al. Are there any questions from the commission on the resolution before we move forward? >> Uh Al, I'm sorry. I don't have my computer. I don't have anything. But do we have the three bids?
>> Yes. Yeah, they were they were in the it's in the uh in the cover memo. The information is in the cover memo. It tells you exactly who the the three were and what the price was. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh, any other questions from the
commission on this one? >> No. >> None. Okay. Um, all right. Uh, all in favor of resol approving resolution 2026-20. >> I >> I >> I >> I Okay. Uh, move on to our final
resolution for the evening, which is resolution 2026-21. Uh, John, would you be so kind as to please read onto the record for us? >> Yes, sir. Uh resolution number 202621 entitled resolution of the village commission of the village of Biscane Park Florida accepting the lowest quote
submitted by Joe's landscaping and tree service for the removal of dead or diseased trees and village controlled or owned medians on 113 115th 117th and 119th streets authorizing the village manager to execute all necessary documents and expend budgeted funds for
the removal of the trees providing for conflicts scriveners errors severability and effective date. Thanks, John. Uh, do I have a motion and a second to move to discussion? >> I make a motion to approve resolution 202621. >> Second.
>> Okay. Um, Al, you have anything to introduce on this one? >> Yes. So, Mr. Mayor, thank you. Um, so in anticipation of the grants that we received, we wanted to identify dead, diseased or hazardous trees throughout the village. And with the assistance of
our uh arborist, we have identified trees on 113th, 115th 117th and 119th Street that uh needed to be removed that were reports part of the agenda and then we went out and sought uh three quotes and Joe's landscaping
was the lowest quote and that all that information is an uncovered memo. >> Okay, thanks Hal. And just for so I make sure I understand it correctly. It's the seven trees that are identified in in the memo from John Allred. Correct. >> Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Um All right. All right. Are there any questions from the commission on the resolution? >> Yes. So, I'm going to uh talk you as usual about uh wildlife here. So, just in terms of procedure, when when is this expected to happen? Do we know?
>> So, u Joe's landscaping is very fast um commissioner. So, usually um once this is approved, if it's approved tonight, uh uh John usually contacts him tomorrow and then he usually schedule it. Sometimes he'll he'll schedule it this
week or at the latest I I've seen them um you know may maybe three or four days but they're very quick. >> Okay. So um and then if you read the report commissioner it the report identifies the wildlife in the report. That's why I was I was raising that point just because if it weigh too much
it might be that then we have a nest then we have a similar situation and the herand are back and then we have to acknowledge the fact that they're so I was wondering you know if this happens quickly number one and number two is about communicating this to residents right because if we're going to go ahead and do this now they're aware the
addresses are here but I think an opportunity is to put this on the website let people know it's coming and within the next week they need to expect this happening. So that answers my questions. Thank you. >> Is that something that we could maybe push out on the app, just the locations
so people are aware because I remember to to the vice mayor's point certainly that there were folks that came in and said they didn't even know that it was going to be happening. They just woke up and the it was they were being uh removed. >> Well, surprisingly enough, Mr. Mayor,
um, since people have seen us cutting trees down now, uh, they have notified us on some additional trees on 119th Street that they want, uh, removed. They saw the ribbons. So, there's actually, we're going to be coming back. There's two additional trees on 119th we have
since identified that need to be removed. >> Okay. Um, All right. So, are there any other questions for the the manager on the resolution? None. Okay. Um All right. All in favor of approving resolution 2026-21.
>> I I >> I Okay. All right. Thanks very much. Uh All right. So, let's move on to our discussion items for this evening. Uh we have two discussion items under new business. Our first discussion item is >> I'm sorry, >> you have to go.
>> Um >> Commissioner Anler pulled the minutes. It was item G that I pulled. It was the January minute. >> You're very right. My apologies. >> You're good, Pamela. I caught it. >> Thanks, Pamela.
I know. Uh, all right. So, 9G. Yes. My apologies. So, 9G was the uh the minutes for January, our regular commission meeting for January 2026. So, um, >> Vice Mayor, go ahead. So, I just want to move to amend the October, November, and
December minutes to allow for review and revision for accuracy. Something I had requested last month, Pamela, and I think you have that coming, right? No, >> I don't understand your question.
>> So, um, so let me address the commission. So, last, uh, when was it? January, um, We approve October, November, and December with certain amendments that weren't reflected. Um, I did request because
there were substantion changes that needed to happen. So, I did request for the videos to be reviewed so that they are addressed. That hasn't been done. So, what I'm asking is I'm moving this to be amended. So, October, November, and December can reflect accurately
based on the videos those changes. the the vote was that you would send me the amendments and then they were approved with the uh with with the upcoming amendments.
>> Okay. >> Wasn't it that we we approved them with the minutes that the vice mayor that you read I think on the record at the meeting. Correct. >> But she was going to send me her her edits because she didn't fully place them on. >> Yeah. and and I agreed to send some of
them in writing so they're clear. So upon my review, I did review exactly what needed to be changed and they were quite substantial in terms of it wasn't just uh November instead of October which I addressed. It wasn't the
comments um uh only but it they were missing my entire commission reports are missing. They're the only one missing for October, I'm sorry, for November and December. I did also request to get the video for the October meeting back in December, I believe, and I haven't. So,
I haven't been able to review the video to match to the actual uh events. That's still pending to be received. So, I'm going to read the request that I placed to the clerk on February 3rd. Um, copying the manager. Hi, Pamela. the
meeting. I mentioned I would follow up with suggested edits, but after reviewing the minutes more closely, the issues go beyond minor correction. I suggested some edits during the meeting. I also requested the October meeting video prior for approval of the
meetings, but did not receive it uh before the vote. Without access to the recordings, I'm unable to verify the record. I'm requesting that that these videos be reviewed and the minutes be revised to accurately and consistently reflect all commissioners comments and
include my reports which I don't see reflected in neither months. Once revisions are made, I ask that um the updated minutes be returned to me for a last review prior for them to be in signed as a final. That was February
3rd. So since I haven't received that, what I'm asking the commission is to move them to be revised because I haven't done yet October, November, and December. So the corrections are made. Mr.
>> Mayor, can I >> Yep. >> Sure. >> So um so let me just say this that minutes are just at minutes there. Uh we don't uh the village clerk is not trained to take verbatim minutes and and
uh report on everything that was uh said at at the commission meeting. Uh she's trained to report what happened that the the village was called to order at 6:05. The meeting was adjourned at 9:15.
Discussion occurred at the resolution, you know, 202620 and it was a pass 50. uh she reports on the action that was taken during during the meeting. She reports on on um not what was said but what what took place.
And so we're unable to capture everything that was said by each of each and every one of you. Um that you know that that's that's not what minutes are are are done
how done are done. If you look at other cities um throughout the county and the cities that I've come to from there they're they're just that just minutes. There's the city of Miami is the only one that I I'm aware of that does verbatim minutes and that by their
resolution that they pass and they've got a staff that's able to do that. But we we just brought in an additional clerk to assist with the with the workload and that's just not something we're capable of doing is having capturing every word that each each of
you say at each of these meetings. >> So I I understand I understand the function of the minutes. I think and I could be wrong. So Vice Mayor, please correct me if I'm if I'm mischaracterizing this because I I certainly don't want to do that. I think what the vice mayor is saying is that the minutes were reflecting an
inaccuracy. Now, I'm not saying that I'm not saying they need to be verbatim because that just that's what the video is for. But if there's if there's something that's being reflected in the minutes of something that's just maybe a I'm not saying that this is the case, Pamela. I'm just saying for example, if
a vote was voted 3 to2 and it wasn't 3 to2. So, Vice Mayor, I again, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm I'm trying to make sure I express this correctly that if the vice mayor is saying that there were inaccuracies in those minutes that they just need to be updated to reflect accurately what
happened in those not again not that we're recording verbatim that everything that happened but just that there's >> but I need her to tell me what those are because I don't know. >> So here here's my feedback on that. So this is the process. I I actually asked
the attorney, you know, how to address this because um again, I don't want to be the one holding all these minutes. I'm very happy to say I don't approve them, but I don't understand that that's the process here and the the the purpose of the minutes. The purpose of the
minutes is that we are all comfortable that everything is being captured uh equally and in a way that addresses all the points that we were trying to make. So I'm not comfortable how they're addressing. Again, I made comment of
this. This was February 3rd. That was a month ago. And this is the first feedback I get about this after following up. Um, and so I'm not going to go through four hours of videos. That's not my job. All I can tell you is my commission reports are missing, not yours. My commission reports when I talk
about sunshine, when I talk about my items missing, all of that is not included. Your comments are included. Mine is not. That's an example. And the other part has to do with um item I think it was the you know um animal
control animal service in Miami Day County. You know what we were talking about then address that's an item I brought up that that there is no action point on that. There's typos. I mean again I you know I rely on the attorney in this case to let me know what the next step is. I will not approve the
minutes as they stand because they do not reflect accurately my participation in the meeting. That's my stand. But then again u Mr. Attorney you tell me what the next step is please. >> As we are here uh one you all have
adopted um rules of procedure basically outline how to every commission meeting is is supposed to be uh conducted. Um within that is obviously a requirement that
minutes be uh kept. You also say in the uh rules of procedure that in the absence of a specific rule um you default to Robert's rules of
order. Uh, and so, you know, and and I can put this in a, you know, more formal document, um, if if it's the desire of either the vice mayor or the commission as a whole. But according
to Robert's rules of order, the newly revised of which I have a copy, but I don't have it with me, uh, minutes are a formal record of what was done, not what was said. It must be objective, concise, and include
the organization's name, date, time, location, attendees, and final votes on motions. The secretary signature ensures authenticity, and no summaries of debates should be included. uh what to include in minutes. Essential details,
type of meeting, date, time, location, name of the presiding officer and secretary. Motions, the exact motion, who made it, uh and whether adopted, lost or postponed, votes, record the final vote result, uh points of order, appeals, all points of orders and their
outcomes, uh the adjournment, and then the signature of the the clerk once they are approved. Um that is a brief summary. Um according to Robert's rules, Robert's rules of orders, what is not
included in the minutes of the debate, summaries of discussions, arguments or personal opinions, uh transcripts, verbatim records of what members said, reports, the full text of reports, they just note that they were received and filed unless otherwise ordered. And then
the seconders, uh, the names of people who seconded the motion, although I do believe that the clerk probably includes that. Um, and then minutes are usually approved at the next meeting. The chair asks for corrections and the secretary makes necessary changes. Um, a formal
motion to adopt is technically not required though comment. So to the extent that the that the vice mayor um is of the belief that the minutes that have been submitted still don't reflect
the uh in the appropriate information um you know that we can attempt to as staff we can attempt to work with her to um reflect that. But I think the the question that is being discussed here is
the extent of which the the the minutes need to um contain or reflect particular discussions. Uh and I I don't mean and I don't want to speak for the vice mayor. Um and and so that
clarification may be may help us as staff to get the minutes to a place where she is comfortable with uh what they reflect and and and and is willing to approve them. Uh ultimately, you
know, it's it's a a motion of the majority of the commission um that would in theory uh carry the day, but as I understand it um as as was there was
a provisional approval of the minutes subject to the changes being uh requested by the vice mayor being provided to staff. which then would be done and then she would be given an opportunity to review
them for that matter. We could bring them back as a as a as a whole for um um a review of them and a vote on on them by majority vote. And I if I have not summarized what I
believe the discussion was or as as I've had discussions with the vice mayor for that any matter uh please correct me. >> John, let me ask you a question uh really quick. So, um,
if we were to get somebody to do, um, this, we would probably need somebody like like a full-time person to just come here and just do the minutes. Uh, I mean, not the minutes, but but you know, like a like a like Yeah. For forbade. But isn't that the reason that we have
these things are taped and you can go back to these things? These are these these things are legal taped. uh and you can go back and and and specific dates and look at it and and and look at specific uh uh information that or what
what what what was said specifically? Um isn't that the reason that we do these taped things? >> Yes. Uh I have in in my career I have only worked in
one city where they ke they kept verbatim transcript of of of the minutes of the meeting and generally it was basic you know a threemonth backlog. Uh and eventually when that particular
clerk um left the employment of that city and a new clerk was uh brought on, she immediately converted over to action minutes, which is what I described is the >> is what we do now >> is what we do now. And that became the norm um
at at that regard to uh how that particular municipality maintained their record minutes. Um, but yes, there's always the ability for someone to go back and look at um the
transcript uh I'm sorry, the tape of the meeting and if necessary make a transcript of that meeting. And I have seen instances p primarily in litigation where someone's gone back and and because there wasn't a court reporter present, they've recreated the verbatim
discussion by transcribing the the recorded meeting. >> So Mr. Mayor, if I will, uh I completely understand Commissioner Aler's concern about accurate minutes, but as the attorney just pointed out, I think we are completely following the Robert's rules of order, which are established
rules for these meetings. uh the and I think we're really kind of bordering on a discussion item at this point. Not talking about the January minutes. I haven't heard an issue about the January minutes. I've heard about October, November, December, but not the actual item that's on the on the dis right now,
which is the January minutes. So, if we have an issue, we want to talk about that one. I would be more than welcome to talk about that. If we want to have a discussion item about our minutes procedures or Robert's rules of order, that could be a discussion item for next month. But I think we're getting past the subject here of the item that's on
the table. >> No, I certainly agree. I think we understand what the minutes do. Um, but again, I'm I'm I want to if the vice mayor is saying that there is an inaccuracy. I I certainly don't want to vote on something that's not an accurate record. Um, I understand that it's not
verbatim. We know that that's Robert's rules and I'm fine with that. If what the vice mayor is saying that there are a couple of these reports I I I see I hear what you're saying. you know, we're going beyond the January. We're given a little bit of leeway here because this is part of a part of a larger issue that the vice mayor has brought up before. I mean, I'm prepared
to just say, you know, John mentioned, well, look, we can look at this, you know, we can provide uh provide that information. The vice mayor can say these are the points that I was trying to make. We can make the corrections the minutes and they can come back for approval. I think it can be summarily taken care of. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. No, it's all right. I just
thinking there's there's a solution here and I think we can get to it and I think we can we can do those things >> and I think um um you know it's interesting to hear you all talk about this. Um so there is no solution except for doing things equally for me it's
very simple. Um at any point I spoke about verbatim so I don't know where the conversation about verbatim uh started but obviously that's not what uh the minutes are supposed to be. There has to be a certain equality here as to how we address everybody's comments. Mine are
completely missing and that's my concern. So that's uh first point I wanted to make. Second point is because they're missing the minutes itself are not accur accurate. It's not that one thing was said and it was recorded differently. It wasn't recorded. And so
my intention is that they are the third point. If you're going to ask me every meeting to review the four hours to make sure that everything I've said is somewhere addressed and again not verbatim. Um that's not going to happen because
that's not what I do as a job. So what I do is I normally review and I would find the inaccuracies. The reason why you have them in the January um you should read it. You have it in front of you. The January um how do you call it? minute addresses
October, November, and December approval of minutes. That's why I'm bringing it up. That's where the item relies. Again, what I'm asking is for equal treatment. I'm all all of you and I've raised this concern over and over so
that my points are just address like you. You guys comments and commission reports and they're not verbatim. They're just a simple summary of what's happening. Mines are missing. So, I want to see mine reflected. I'm not going to
do the summary because that means again I have to go about everything I said. I'm missing a video which I requested and I haven't been submitted which is the October video. So, I don't remember what I said specifically. I want to be sure that that's addressed. Again, that's not my job. So, I don't
approve them as I stand that. So, I'm going to go back to what my motion was, which was very straight to the point. And I try to save all this conversation, but again, we're talk about what a minute is. We've had this conversation about 10 times already,
but my request for you all was to amend I said I move to amend the October, November, and December 2025 minutes to allow for review and revision for accuracy. That's all. So, we don't have to redo anything. I don't know what the
whole conversation about the municipality started. All I want to make sure is that the comments that I address are in a summary point just put in there. I haven't able to address if they're correct or not. They're missing you. We understand. Okay. So, that's all
I'm asking. That's the motion that I put on the floor for you all to approve or not. Um, and move forward. >> Okay. Understood. So, understanding the motion that the vice mayor has on the minutes, uh, do I have a second to approve the motion? >> Can we clarify that the motion? So you're you're asking staff to review
those months all the way through bring back to me of each meeting. >> Bring back to me for a final sign off. They will be included in the next month and they'll be approved if so. >> Okay. Uh is there a second uh to the vice mayor's motion? >> I'll second it.
>> Okay. Uh all in favor? >> No. >> I thank you. >> Okay. Thanks. >> All right. So, having concluded what was there was a res No, there wasn't a
resolution. It passed. Uh, all right. So, let's go on to new business, which is 13A, which is our discussion on the website design. Um, Al, you had a cover memo on this one. Would you mind introducing it for us, please? >> So, Mr. Mayor, as you know, we had our
workshop on um February 19th where we tal we had two pres we had invited five presenters. Um only two were um able to come locally and make presentations locally before you. Um and dur during
those two presentations um some discussion ensued about uh cost and uh if you recall during the strategic planning session and also the budget process we had um budgeted $50,000 for
the redesign of our website. Um, and we had there were discussions about whether what type of website you wanted, whether you wanted a Volkswagen, a Ford, a Chevy or a Cadillac. And I think there was consensus that there you wanted the Cadillac. So, um, I think both the
presenters were were Cadillacs and they that came with a a cost. So um uh since the workshop no decisions could be made at the workshop, I felt it was important for us to put put an item on for tonight's uh discussion just to get some
direction on on where you want to go and how you want to move forward with those two two presenters or if you want to uh start the process over or what's the consensus. >> Okay, thanks very much Al. Uh so I know this is a discussion item. Um there was
so at the conclusion of the workshop I remember commissioner you brought up the idea of the building department helping fund the annual cost. Uh John we had a brief discussion about that. Would you give everyone the benefit of that discussion? >> Yes. Um, you know, there is a um, you
may or may not know there's state law that that essentially states that local governments are allowed to um, uh, charge and recoup their cost of reviewing um, development permit applications,
including building permits. You can't make a profit. It basically has to be a zero sum. um that um but it it you can charge um fees to cover those costs and many jurisdictions have gone to uh
electronic permitting um you know e portals uh and I think that's certainly one of the objectives that that the village would like to accomplish through this process and therefore I do believe that you can
charge a a you know what some jurisic call cost recovery for that. So the building department and the planning department would be able to pay for a portion of this service uh that is
commensurate with what they are charging um the end user for that uh e portal service as opposed to bringing in all the papers and and you know although I have heard there are some people out there who prefer prefer the old method
rather than the the the new electronic. But yes, you can. It just you have to be very careful to make sure that you're not charging above and beyond what it that cost is for providing that service
to the uh residents and to the the community in the form of building permit application fees or zoning application fees. So short answer is yes. >> Right. >> With with some caveats
>> w with that qualifier of zero sum. >> Right. So we just would need to if if this is the path that we were to follow, we would need to amend the fee schedules appropriately. >> Correct. And you know um I think it would be an appropriate subject to ask
the proposers you know what is their experience with that cost? How can they help us identify what that um cost per transaction um is in other jurisdictions. So we are
charging an appropriate amount um not too much not too little. I and I'm sure the justification for those fees can be proven through our analytics that would come from having a more professional website like these are offering because right now we have no
analytics. We can't see where we're our hits are coming if they're coming to the building department the you know or you know any other department versus once we have this higher sophisticated website we're going to be able to see that backend user data. >> Absolutely. I mean, you know, you and
most jurisdictions require the user to create an account so that that use can be tracked and uh charged appropriately. >> Okay. Thanks, John. >> I thought we were just trying to figure
out whether or not the finance department can pay part of it. Has nothing to do with the I'm confused a little bit. Isn't your idea that you wanted part of the >> building department >> to be paid by the building department? >> Yes. And >> what does it have to do with the fees?
>> As John said that it it can but that's the mechanism at which it's paid is is you adopt a new fee a website fee or techn >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> technology recruit fee that would be added on to the permits that would then pay for the website which is commensurate with what other
municipalities are currently doing. >> Yes. Short answer, yes. Um, okay. All right. Thanks, John. Uh, so I mean, look, we we have the proposals from the two the two groups that were here with us, Catalyst
and Granakus. Um, was there any I mean, any discussion points that the commission wanted to talk about about the two of those presentations or are there backup materials or anything that they provided to us? Remind me, Al, the the group the group that had
I just am misremembering the group that had the video with the live agenda and everything on it, that was Granite Kiss, right? They have their own video feed, correct? >> They're they're also current the current provider of our >> agenda, right? Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay.
>> So, I mean, the floor is open. It's a discussion item if anybody wants to >> I'll kick it off. For me, Granicus uh was the the leader of the day. I was very impressed with their presentation. Uh I'm also very impressed with their their uh you know indexing of meetings, minutes, having it all there. I know
I've heard from the clerk that she's very comfortable with their their service and I was very impressed by the the number of municipalities in neighboring us that you know Miami date county city Miami uh Miami Shores North Miami that utilize their services. Uh and that that shouldn't be overlooked.
If if everyone's going to them, there's a reason why they're and they're staying there. They're happy with it. Uh, and you know, as Commissioner Gonzalez just said, you know, we utilize these videos as a document of record. Well, I've done research on other municipalities with Granica system. Being able to click on
the actual item you want to listen to, world changing because going through our meeting to try Commissioner Amar's point to try to track down one item, you could be there for an hour just scrolling through YouTube. It's amazing. You I want to talk about the Australian Pines issue. I click on that ordinance or that
resolution. You're right there. You're right there. Uh and that it's not a staff issue that has to happen. It's an encoder that that we get supplied with this contract. For me, it's Granicus all the way. >> No, that was Oh, just to refresh my That was the first one that gave that presentation. Yes, that's the one that
has North Miami Beach. Yes, I agree with that. That's the one I like the most. >> I'm sorry, I'm lost. Are we talking about uh hiring somebody uh to do this? >> Yes. He says yes, he says no. Somebody
says yes. Who what what's the story here? Because I What are we doing? >> We're talking about hiring one of these >> operators. >> Well, commissioner, I was asking for direction on how the commission wants to proceed. >> And
>> look, um I don't know any of these people. Um, I will tell you that I shared with you what uh as soon as this came up, I I asked Mario because, you know, I I I have a lot of confidence and I have a lot of trust in Mario and and
he uh he gave me uh a synopsis. I sent it to you, right? I don't know. And you said you would call him. I don't know if if you did or not. Did you do that? Okay. So, I'm just going to give you a really quick what he said. He said, uh, pros and cons. Granicus has the Munich
code, right? um which I think you guys keep your code uh but Civic uh plus does does that too. Um if all equal flip a coin what's
what's cheaper not only on cost but what does the trans um the transition what does the transition cost employee effort retaining etc uh compat um compatible with other systems? So,
as far as Mario's concerned, uh his opinion is it doesn't really matter. Flip a coin. Uh which one's cheaper, which one's be uh you know. So, that's my position. Uh which one's cheaper? I think that uh I really don't know what
the the big difference other than the Munich code thing is concerned. But according to Mario, he said, uh flip a coin. So, flip a coin. I'm good with uh either one. >> I think that one of the things that I'm
I'm drawn to and you know I is we talk a lot about notice. We talk a lot about providing the agendas. We talk about ease of location because that's one of the things we've talked about for the last I don't know year or so or however long it's been is talking about ease of ease of people's abilities to to find
our calendar, ease of their ability to find the video links, ease of their ability to review meetings. uh like you mentioned, Ryan, ease of uh their ability to um to to get onto the video, the dependability of the video feed, um
and and being able to get a hold of a copy, you know, the the good copy of the agenda, and with the agenda being right there in the video, there's a lot of positive things that that I see that Granicus offers um that works with some of the systems that we're already using. Um yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I
know like you said, Art, you mentioned um Mario says, you know, what's the cost to transition? I don't really know. Um I think that this one probably just stays in place until we get the new one ready and it's launched and it goes live. Um but you know, we use a lot of these systems that'll work with Granus already. Uh and Granus if if look we
budgeted 50 grand for this thing. And if Granakus is going to provide the highest level of service to our residents in being engaged, being uptodate, being informed, uh and then make it easy for for everyone to locate records, to locate agendas, to locate historical
items. Um, you know, I I think that the answer for me would be why wouldn't we provide that service to them? So, I I tend to agree with you, Ryan, on the Granicus. I think both put forward good proposals. Um, but certainly Granicus I felt was kind of a bit of a a level
above between the options. >> I concur with both. I think Ranicus is who I'm inclining at this point as well. What's that? >> Sounds like direction. >> It does. Um, so I mean it's it's not a
motion I guess Al, but uh do you have any other comments? >> Don't pick the other one. He still does Munich code, right? >> Yeah. As Mario said, they they both do Munich code. >> Okay. So the one that does our >> MUN code is a service.
>> Okay. But other companies use M um connect you to MUN code. MUN code is an entity within itself that can integrate into your website through those other providers. So if both of them do if both of them do the service, then we would go with if we go with the first one, then
we would go with him to do our Munich code, not the second one. And there's no purpose of hiring two companies. I'm I'm confused. >> Unico is a third party service that would be integrated into either websites, >> right? Civic Plus is the people who run Municode. But if we have Granicus, it's
not like we don't have Uni code anymore. It' be integrated into our website just as it currently is. >> What's the price difference? >> Um >> I think they for the >> they didn't really get into pricing if
you if you recall. So they they did a price they >> an important pack I I I think from from what I'm getting this evening, I would start negotiations with with number one and see where they get and I I I try to get to a and keep you informed and get to a a good agreement with number one
and based on what the what your village attorney was saying, make sure that they uh they have the ability to integrate into a building module >> and that uh and that they that they're doing that for other cities and see you
know, and and it's talk to both of them and see who's who's the best um who's going to provide us the best deal. And I think uh I think we're most likely looking for a three-year deal deal with two one-year renewals for a total of five years.
>> Well, shouldn't we have that information before we continue this conversation? Because I mean, >> if Granas cost a million dollars a year and the other one costs $100,000 a year. Well, yeah, but that's to come back to you, Commissioner. It has to come back to you to to approve.
>> So, I think I'm looking for for um senses from all of you to go ahead and grant me the uh approval to start the negotiations and and and and then we bring forward to you the best contract. >> I think that's a given, right? You got to talk to both of these people uh and
see what uh what what both of them are going to pro uh >> uh you know cost the village. >> That's that's what we said at the last meeting for you to do to come back and that's exactly what you're doing. So I think we should find out. >> I mean that at least for me anyway. I don't >> Yeah. Well commission there there they
did have baseline numbers on their proposals and that I'm sure that's just a starting point for negotiations but there was a baseline number for and they weren't considerably different than each other. There was a cheaper one and there was a more expensive one, but the there is a baseline number that you can look back at the the backup documentation.
Uh, and I'm sure Al will start negotiations at that point and try to save the village as much money as possible and offset as much as possible with the with the building fund. >> Yeah, that's what we said for you to come back at the next commission meeting with proposals. So, that's what you did now. So, I think we should go forward
and see give you the direction to get the proposals for both of these and then bring it back to the next commission meeting. I agree with that point too. Uh um I agree with Commissioner Gonzalez. I think it's you need to have the comparison on scope and what each one
provides, the exact price, what the proposal is, and based on that can make a decision. >> Well, it sounds like uh Al, what the commission is asking is to go ahead and begin negotiations with those providers so they can give us their their firm
offers. Uh, and then it's I mean we're not going to prevote on this, but you know, it sounds like there's uh right now a bit of a preference for the services that Granite Kiss is providing, but that would be formal direction, I
think. Al, >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Okay, great. Um, okay. So, let's go ahead and move on to our last discussion item for the evening, which is our discussion on the property tax issue. And I completely lost my agenda.
There it is. Okay. So, our last discussion item for the night, the elimination of property taxes. Thank you, Melie. Boku. S this was I'm I'm assuming I'm jumping out ahead of you, so I'll give you an opportunity to think about it. If I
remember correctly, one of the directions or one of the recommendations from the county was to have each municipality provide a resolution such as this to provide to the state as to how they're affected. Yes. Okay. Got it. Thank you.
>> Yes. So, Mr. Mayor, if you if you if you will allow me. >> Yes. So, as as you know, we've been meeting on Friday, Friday afternoons at 4:00, he sort of I guess the uh since the legislative session had began >> uh to talk about this um these property
tax elimination bills that are are floating through the legislative session at this time. Um uh the House bill had just recently passed. it's on its way to the Senate and then that bill if it's approved at
the Senate would have to go to be on the ballot in November that would essentially eliminate all property taxes for homestead um homestead properties. Um, I asked the uh finance director uh to be here this
evening because you had also had uh been t in discussions with the Miami day county mayor's office and about how they're proceeding and how they're asking for assistance from each of the municipalities and they're asking us to do some research on just what the impact
would be for for the village of Biscane Park that does not have any commercial uh enterp commercial uh property. within our jurisdictions that uh we would probably one be hit probably one of the hardest in Miami day county
because we are all residential and we're not supported by any commercial. So I'll turn it over to the our finance director now to just tell you what uh what what impact this would have on on the village of Biscane Park. >> Thank you. Good evening everyone. Hope everyone's well. Uh I've been working on
this uh on a slow takeoff uh since it's the idea surfaced from the governor and my colleagues in finance uh throughout South Florida and my experience in other municipalities you know has been part of the dialogue. How would each one of them
take you know survive it? And as the manager just said, those with multiple forms of revenue can weather all kinds of things. Whereas uh your demographic and your business uh or lack of business income uh makes you predominantly an
advorum based community with the exception of special assessments, direct assessments through for example your solid waste uh assessment process. Those are nonadvalorm. Um, in your situation, you're presently
uh sitting on about an 80% ratio. 80% of your revenue comes from the uh property tax portion and everything we're seeing because this is, you know, preddecisional. Obviously, it has quite a few hurdles to go through uh
that require the referendums, they require general elections, etc., etc., and you know, so it's a ways off. Uh but it also looks like it's ratcheting over a period of time and it's it's really a I I would characterize it as a super
homestead exemption topic where the homestead exemption doubled for the first time in like 25 years or you know a few years ago didn't have any effect on you all. Uh and there's a reason and I can talk about that for a minute real quick. here. The character of your uh
advorum and homestead is a little surprising. When we first started looking at it, I thought a lot more of the properties would be homesteaded, but every time somebody sells a house, they they lose the homestead, the new person comes in and though they did add
portability a few years ago, uh it's not happening here. The people coming in are very uh are often resetting the value to the sale price. So, what that means is you're you're assessing uh you know at the top versus uh those of you who aren't familiar with how the Save Our
Homes Act works. Uh you come in, you buy a house, you once you get your homestead applied, it's your primary residence, you your tax bill can only go up 3% every year. And so what that does is it creates a a very wide ranging revenue.
uh the for you all with you know a couple thousand properties uh it doesn't take too many of them to shift that very very quickly. So let's look back what's been going on the last seven or eight years lots of sales. So you're uh though
you all know each other and have been neighbors many of you for 20 30 years you're a very big minority of the math. Uh so the homesteaded number isn't as bad. The most I've seen for you all if if you look at is about 2/3 has some
version of homestead or will uh the other half of this problem is the data. The data lingers quite a bit behind the facts. So you sell your house, it's actually about two years before it actually hits the uh the roles because
of all the different timing. There's people who don't file, they file late. There's people who dispute their homestead and etc. So the again when you're a small number it only takes a couple people to delay theirs to skew the numbers quite a bit. The last piece that you've you've always been provided
as part of your your budget report is is that reality but about half of your communities more than half of your neighbors are at their sale price or very close to it and about half are way low and so it's a it's a big spread. um
what what have I been doing to help you the or what have we been doing to help you understand this? Uh I saw the the email earlier today and I I remembered what I did after I thought about it for a second. I was preparing some of the data for today and I realized the data was is old and so I had sent a uh an
email to this to the county for an update and they need to add some columns because that that memo and the analysis would require sale date information because that can trigger it. There's multiple. You need to see the uh disability. Uh veterans, there's a
little bit of a a veterans homestead, I believe, in some cases. You have, I think, six properties that pay no taxes because of those types of benefits. So, add all that together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're below the their their
homestead and their uh qualifications. They pay no property taxes. Not very many. Six is, you know, I probably know them. Um, so all that said, uh, happy to provide that data. I I did in that email to the county property appraisers
office. I did ask them. I said, "You probably gotten this question and probably have all this data. Have you crunched it for just the whole county and just give us our tab and then be a little do the work for me?" Kind of hope. Uh, but we'll see. It's not too hard. Uh, so I I'll I'll share that
through the manager as soon as we we get that some updates, but it'll be last year's numbers because this year's numbers, as you know, you don't get start seeing them until June 1st. Um, so that's a quick overview. I did I spoke with Dave uh Caserta and went through,
you know, the political side. I've talked to the mayor uh and as I said, I've talked to my my colleagues in this business. I also, if you don't know, the executive director for the green corridor, which happens to represent uh nine or 10 of the municipalities in, you
know, the larger ones in in the green corridor, we call it I call it the the old Cutler Corridor. Um, and those mayors and vice mayors had their meeting last Friday and we had a lot of lively discussion. Uh, but my sense is there's
there's two topics. There's the political one, which is where you're headed with this resolution, and then there's the business one, which is what I would provide to you. Uh, I think, you know, you're a year more than a year away from needing those answers, but I'll be able to give you some pretty good projections.
>> Okay. Thank you very much, Paul. Uh, does anyone have any questions uh for Paul uh on on the matter? I >> I have a question for Paul. Yes, sir. >> I appreciate the information, but that doesn't answer uh what happens. >> Okay. Yeah. What happens if
there is no I mean I listen I don't expect you to know the answer because the reality is you you don't it's a long way off they have answers for nobody does and that's my concern is that nobody in Tallahassee uh really understands what the repercussions they're in my opinion they're they're
they're pushing this through which which is great as a property tax uh person I don't want to pay nobody wants to pay property tax and that's that's the big concern if it goes to the public, right, which is going to go to vote. Nobody's everybody's going to vote to to not pay property taxes. Nobody
wants to pay property taxes. But then the people that are in government understand that there's there are repercussions to not paying property taxes. So, what happens to police? What happens to um to municipalities that rely on on property taxes? And how is
that money going to get allocated? And where is that money going to get? Because at the end of the day, they're gonna have to make this money up. Where is it going to go? Is it going to go to um is it tourist? Is it uh an additional sales tax? We I don't know. I don't think anybody does at this point.
>> Chapter one of finance director school is tax cuts. Chapter one. They say tax cuts. This is a tax cut. It's a, you know, got a little different code on it. What is the answer to a tax cut? What is the service cut that you're going to assign to it? that just what you said
there has to be either a makeup or or a reduction in services and obviously the politics are starting to frame oh no police cuts and things like you know no reductions to first responders where going to come from >> right so municipalities have have other forms of revenue obviously commercial is the easiest and
>> and the other one is to shift your your available millillage to the remaining members of of the community you're not going to change your your revenue very much by doing that because you'll hit the cap uh general obligation bonds, bunch of answers there. Uh my business,
my my core business are special taxing districts like your solid waste one. You can just start creating a district for every service you provide and and doing a direct assessment. Now, chapter two in finance director school is the difference between progressive and
regressive taxes. the one progressive tax which means that it's it it charges the wealthier elite if you will at a higher level and the lower income is not punished disproportionately. Uh and it and so it has the incline to it rather
than a flat tax has a flat and the lower income folks use a greater percentage of their of their treasure to pay the bills whereas you know and so that's it's those are the two concepts. So you would be shifting the economics, the whole county, the whole state would be
shifting a a decent size of our economy into a more regressive tax. Uh and that's not necessarily healthy. Uh but assessments do that very easily and they're fair for certain things like utilities, storm water drains. You have one in place for storm water maintenance
fees. Uh you don't you've never activated it, you've never assessed for it. You you would have an option like that as a perfect example. Um, and then you this type of process, what is their answer like you were hinting at or suggesting what what would the other options be? The original one of the
original messages from the governor was, "Well, I have all this surplus. I'll just give it to them." Uh, I don't think he said it that way, but that's how I how I interpreted. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um, yeah. So, now long term, I would be able to come back to you with a a
toolbox of options. uh you can guess where I'm going to go first. You you'd need to flip the switches on your on your uh special district taxes assessment. >> I I just want to say for the record that I'm all for not paying property taxes, >> right? Having said that, I don't think
that this is from my perspective really well thought out and I don't think that the people up there really have thought this through and have presented a plan that makes me comfortable, >> right? And that doesn't that tell you
about the the fact that it made it through the the House that easily with a bunch with more than the governor was asking. It was it's interpreted in my business as as a political game uh to force the Senate to do some to do the hard work and none of them are going to
make the governor happy. So it sounds like it was a play uh and that the governor's wish list of things he wants to accomplish and they're just you know >> but the problem but the problem is is that this goes to a vote is going to be voted. People are going to vote
>> uh that they don't want to pay property taxes, right? >> And so then >> what's the plan? And that's my concern. It's not it's not the the property tax. It's what's the plan now. I don't know what but that's not your issue and that's not you know this is a this is a
higher issue. >> Yeah. The so the latest version of it you know to be really specific is a slow incline of the amount of homesteaded and the amount of homestead value. So that that reduction in your revenue. So you could meet, you know, that's a 10-year
window is what's proposed, I believe, in that 10-year period. That that's a pretty slow learning curve, you know, and that's not terrible if it were instituted. So, but your your situation, our your clap back to it is we only have one or two revenue options and, you
know, and they're going to be regressive and painful. That would be my opening sentence. Uh so that's you know but you did get when it doubled it you know you absorbed it pretty well and the the frank reason why
you absorbed it is because you were on an upward trend with property value. >> All right. I think part of the answer to the question is is if it does get to a vote people are voting for it. I I agree. I agree with you. Look I agree with you.
I had a I had a discussion with a neighbor here in Bisgame Park and I was telling them about this and say you lose municipal service you lose this you lose this they say wait a minute there's a downside to this I so you know people don't really don't really understand the impact but part of what the county part
of what these calls we're doing with the county on a weekly basis is talking about it's like an education campaign it's like media blitzing like crazy to say if it gets to the ballot this is what's going to happen and I think one of the I think the phrase Al that they used was it like a a day without like
property tax or they got like a like a tagline to it already. So they're out ahead of it. They're thinking about it because you're right. I mean if it gets to that point, you know, it's an uphill battle. Um but these these things that um Al provided to us, this came from the county from our contact in the governor
uh uh the county mayor's office and it's a sample formal resolution of municipalities in Miami Date County that send this to Tallahassee and send it all over the place and say this is the impact. This is what's going to happen to us if you do this. This is what what's going to happen to our community.
This is what's going to happen to our services. Um so it's documented and they know and they're receiving it. Hopefully they look at it. Um, and then you know another a checklist here of of just communications of framing this of education and saying everybody this is
what's really going to happen because if it gets to that point right if it does get to that point where it goes on a ballot there's nothing else you can do but tell everybody like there's a real downside to this. So I think right now that's what the county is saying that these are these are our our kind of plan
of our action items so to speak with this with this measure and then providing the county again is is um putting together all that information that we were talking about Paul that's in this this letter um there's a couple of questions you know there's it's like basically a survey we're going to fill
this out we're going to provide it back to the county and one of the questions is you know basically what happens to your your municipality The second one is your municipality at risk of disinccorporation if property taxes are eliminated. Yes. >> Well, one of the one of the benefits
that I did see and I I did read is that supposedly if this if the this does pass is that property values are going to skyrocket because >> it would it would be obvious supply and demand skyrocket. Well, I don't know about skyrocket, but I mean just I don't
know. This is skyrocket maybe a little bit uh too much, but >> but I could put my help on the market if you're interested >> because people from other uh other states are going to be like, "Oh, wait. There's no property taxes in in Florida >> in certain areas." Yeah. But if there's no Biscane Park, our property values are
not going to skyrocket. >> They're gonna >> I was going to say Sam and also save our CS >> and we're not a city anymore. The message is what services will be >> removed, >> right? >> Yeah. There's so many proposals though right now. There's I don't know that
there's I mean there's I was very surprised to even see that vote come out of the house because the direction or what I'd been hearing from the house of is that they're not going to advance anything but this one measure and that what came out was not the one measure they said they'd be advancing. >> Yeah, that was that was a big tell. Yeah. That that it came out that way
that it was a political action reaction. It wasn't intentional in terms of real legislation and I think the Senate knows that and the governor knows that and they're just letting us uh do the work now. >> Yeah. >> A question. So in terms of uh because I thought we were going to talk about
numbers today. I thought we were going to have an idea what that means. Uh when do we see then? >> I don't know. >> So we have none of what >> I can give you a range. I mean right obviously if you're at 80% that's about a little over $3 million. that $3
million of about half of that uh would be subject to the whatever law is passed. When we plug in a law, I'll be able to tell you what that number is. Don't know. >> But I'm saying and correct me if I'm wrong because that's sort of what I had in my mind. So I read something it was
$100,000 over the homestead um amount. So it was an additional $100,000 over homestead. >> Yeah. if you double it, you know, and it's a percentage of our property that's very lowly valued. So that that's the
part that's hard to describe. The existing homestead are already way behind the the properties that have already sold and are at the top of their value. You most you have you have about 500 homes that are still being assessed at about the $200,000 range. So you they
could add 600,000 to it and it's not going to change that person. >> Change that. So that we're only talking about the other half and how many of them are homesteaded and how long have they been homesteaded and etc. So it's it's an unknown number because we have to know what the level is because for
you I I thought I said it you're such a small number it'll it'll only take one slight detail in any final law and it could change the math dramatically for you. >> So there is no point of doing exercises at at this level because there >> well I brought a I brought a proposal for my firm to be paid to do all kinds
of exercises. I'm just kidding. >> I wouldn't do that to >> not right away. >> I'm sure you have scenarios, but so so what's the next step? um wait and see what what what do you >> Well, I think I think the step in front of you is a is the political reaction is
the is the governmental reaction to the whatifs and start to paint the picture to make sure that the facts uh the possible potential outcomes are started to be in the in the in the media and on people's minds and that that usually will have the right effect.
>> So, when I'm asked by a resident, what does it mean to me? What would you say? Well, I don't get paid for that, ma'am. >> I'm kidding. I uh you know, I don't I I honestly don't know. I'm not good at that. Um that's that's your skill set.
>> No, I'm talking Thank you. I'm talking about what do you do in terms of numbers? So, this is too early to know. Again, the reason I haven't asked is I heard, you know, you have meetings with uh other mayors. You know, there are scenarios there. >> Nobody knows. Yeah. So, so when someone
needs to know where we are at in terms of number, what that would mean, we are nowhere to be able to provide an answer. >> Yeah. There's no details to measure. >> So, what so we wait and see until uh we have a better idea. And I'm not talking communication. I'm talking numbers wise.
There is no formula to follow. >> I mean, I would summarize your your description as also and our revenue options are limited. there are some for us should we have to react to that which I mentioned you you could push the costs into other forms of of revenue. Uh and
the good news is you're you are a less than $5 million a year entity. So the math is not you know that scary for you. Um and obviously if there's rules already in the draft that say you're not allowed to reduce public safety benefits
or or services. you know that there's there's so many things that have to be filled out. Yeah. >> But you you know, when I was in Weston, we had Weston was the biggest taxing district, one of them in the in the in the state of Florida. And then it became a city.
>> And when it became a city, it it would brag, you know, we would brag, I would too, uh how low our our millage rate was and that it had never had to go up. Well, they didn't have to go up because 90% of their income came directly through assessments of the original
special districts that were there, including police. >> Their whole police budget was part of a special assessment. It was a flat rate. >> Yeah. >> And when they would refinance the their bonds and their debt, they they would take those profits and buy more police services.
>> So, it was ne they never had to touch their their millillage. And so this is not very frightening to them because they're already set up as a huge taxing district. >> All right. So, and then now uh mayor for you a question. So, where did
this come from? >> Uh the county the county mayor's office. >> Okay. So, our contact in the county mayor's office is Melanie Burke, and that was this was just provided to us today. And this is this is the result of the meeting that we had last Wednesday or Thursday uh with Miami Date County
League of Cities uh with also the county mayor who was on that. And then we also have the Friday at 4:00 meetings with the county as well every week on what the updates are in the direction. And at the so at the Wednesday meeting with the Miami date county league of cities, this was these were kind of two of the items
that came out of that one a um a draft kind of proposed formal resolution of each municipality within the county to take and draft and say, you know, that we're we're opposed to this because these are the impacts. Um and then provide this to the state. And then uh
the request for some information from each municipality uh like number-wise. I don't I think these are numbers. Yeah. They they're asking for fiscal impact analysis. >> Yeah. >> Um so they're asking for some hard numbers uh and they want to just kind of package this uh and use it as part of
the campaign to say this is the real effect of what you're proposing to do. >> So is as a >> in our own way we've done it. We we've analyzed your This is the draft that they just >> We just got this today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This just came in today from the
county. >> Yeah. So, I'm in, like I mentioned, I I'm in contact with the county appraisers office. We don't we don't keep track of any of that. They have all that data. So, I have to ask them for it and I have to make sure they give me lots of the the data points so that I I
can do a correct analysis like I hoped. They would just do it. Should it would take them 30 seconds to give us the picture? >> That that's my question is I would >> they're overachievers in a lot of ways. >> I would happily >> they just like to be seen. I'll tell
them that too. >> That's my question. I would happily support this piece of legislation if it was brought before us. Uh but knowing that the session ends a week from Friday uh and the reactionary time to do this fiscal analysis, I'm sure there's going to be a special session to talk to us about property tax. But if we wait to
adopt this resolution until April and then we have the time of doing the fiscal analysis and everything, are we going to be behind the eightball? Are we already behind the eight-ball when it comes to adopting this resolution? Should it be a discussion of walking this on adopting it right now so that we can get moving and get forward and get
that information to our representatives in Tallahassee? Like what's what's David Casera's uh opinion on this? Are we we do we need to get moving right now tonight or do we have a month to wait till next to April to see this resolution come before us >> so commissioner I I think uh everybody
is watching this very closely including the Florida League of Cities Miami Day County League of Cities and uh nobody has a crystal ball to say what's going to happen tomorrow. Um, our state lobbyist is is was shocked that it it it
made it through the house. But um what everybody is uh is suggesting that we do is what exactly what we're doing now is keeping in close contact with the u m day county's mayor's office and speaking
speaking in one voice because we're not going to have any impact if we try just to speak for as a as a village but if we're speaking in one voice with the Miami day county legal cities uh the Florida legal cities and also the Miami
day county mayor's office. I think we have a a greater impact on at the state level. But uh I think too one one of the things that uh it says in here is um
is um is signing a joint letter from from the county league of cities opposing the mayor and I are going to the the Miami day county league of cities meeting on Thursday. So, we'll have more information on that and uh and
and just the impact that this will have on us. Um um I think we we can certainly if if we need to call for an emergency meeting uh commissioner from now until till April, if we need to do that, the
mayor has that authority to to pass an emergency resolution. So >> So would the would the correct or the most appropriate I guess action to go from here Al is to if the commission if this is the majority of
the commission's direction to say yes we'd like to prepare something like this on behalf of Biscane Park in the interim we'd like you to work with Paul to prepare the report that's identified in this resolution that's also identified in the email from the county commissioner's or the county mayor's
office um the the fiscal impact analysis report so we can provide it to the county when they directly ask us go ahead I did something wrong. >> No, not at all. U one of the things that you have the ability to do as a
commission under your rules of procedure and Robert's rules of order as we discussed is you can suspend the rules. Make a motion. Second, suspend the rules. What does that mean? It allows you to take up as an add-on a
resolution. I can read into the record the title heriting the Palmetto Bay resolution that's been distributed. Obviously, we would substitute out the name of the village and you all could direct us to
draft that resolution and authorize the mayor to sign it and do it now. So, you don't have to wait if that is the the will of the commission. >> Okay. So I mean well first let me just procedure
for a second. Sorry. Uh it has to be a motion to suspend the rules to effectuate that. >> Correct. >> Then we have to vote on that for this limited purpose >> purpose to add an item to the agenda. >> Okay. >> Um that
with what's been distributed regarding u the pending action for the legisle. on property taxes and then read into the I will then direction of the commission read into
motion to approve that. I'll read into the record title the the draft resolution and you all can approve that and give us direction staff to draft that resolution uh with what Bay has put together
vote on it. We do that. Are we are we voting? So we're voting to produce this. So we're making that decision. We're not voting to move forward with this. >> You are. >> So we're implementing this resolution.
You just do it and it goes into implementation. >> That's what we're discussing at least. So, I mean, it's it's really up to the commission if that's something that if if we feel that this is so time-sensitive that we want to do it
right now rather than a month from now. See, I don't I mean, I don't know that there we just we got this today. So, I don't know that there is a >> maybe here's a >> rush to get this done to suspend the rules to adopt a resolution. I think it's important that we do it. I mean, I'm going to be very candid with
everybody. I think it's important that we do this, but I don't know that we have to suspend the rules to do it tonight. >> Here's a meeting in a week and and you know until that >> they could add it on anytime. >> Yeah, I don't I don't >> I understand what you're saying, Commissioner. Maybe here here's a a different way of approaching it is John
tell me if I'm overstepping here that we provide direction to the manager to support what's in this resolution and if we need to ratify that in a in a resolution next month we ratified resolution next month but he provide direction to support the ongoing measures from the county that's
supported in this resolution to start preparing those fiscal analysis things like that and if we need to ratify it in a special me meeting or ratify it next month we can we can go ahead and do that that way we don't have to suspend the rules we don't have to walk this on the manager. We provide direction to start preparations for this because this is
the direction we're going and we'll ratify that in a resolution. >> Let me I I don't understand the following. So, we're moving with the resolution to do the analysis because the county requires it. No, >> why can't we just start the analysis and do everything in paper in a way?
>> No, you're right. We can't we can just start start doing this analysis. This is just this is just a formal action and statement of the village, right? >> That would then be provided to the state. But we don't need to do this. But yeah, exactly. And we don't but we don't need to pass a resolution to ask Paul
and the manager to start that. So I think that's a fine solution for now. I'm not crazy about suspending the rules to take this emergency action because again, I think we need to do it. But after Thursday's meeting, Al, you know, maybe they come back to us at the Miami Date County League of Cities on Thursday and say, "Oh, by the way, we do have to
get this done right right away." But for the time being, I think what you're proposing is fine. uh and then we can come back if we have to for a formal action. >> I concur. >> I agree with Commissioner. >> Yeah. Suspending the rules is kind of scary to me. >> I think we uh we allow the manager give
direction to support this resolution and the things that are in it and the county's uh efforts and I will say that if if a emergency meeting is needed the if if you see next week that it is or anytime during this process for a taxes. >> Yeah. Yeah. The way these polit the way
these politicians work, I don't think a week's going to make that much of a difference. >> Oh, that's when they're scariest. >> Just >> so I think that that probably >> that the house the fact that the house passed it past it that has a little suspicious there. >> You know, I take it as a healthy exercise. I I don't get to talk to too
many people who even know what advorum is. So I have friends now. So >> um All right. So >> if you want to buy my house the way you were talking, we you're definitely my friend. conditions to be your friend. >> I agree with Commissioner Ryan. >> I'm very transparent.
>> I agree with Commissioner Ryan. Just give the instructions to the city manager. >> All right. So, >> have to come back. We'll come back. >> Is that is is the commission comfortable with that? Yes. >> Asking us to get started on that and then if we find out later this week or some other time that we need to make more formal action more quickly, we'll
we'll approach it then. >> Okay. Al, that sounds like direction. And I think once to to the point of starting with this, once you have answers to that, you'll be able to know how to move forward with this one. >> And I think, you know, for example, signing the joint letter from the county and the League of Cities opposing
property tax measures. We don't even have that letter yet. So maybe on Thursday, I'm I'm sure on Thursday we'll have more information from the league. Um, all right. Well, very good. So, we'll be sure to update the commission um when we hear more from the the county
and Al so plan on being on those meetings every Friday at 4 o'clock date just you know see if commissioners are available those dates >> but we I we there's no there's no way for us to speculate on that yet. >> Um all right so if there's no other
questions on that discussion item um uh that concludes our agenda for the evening. So there's nothing for placement on next agenda. So, at this time, >> uh, allow for a motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to >> before.
It's 8:32. Are you Are you guys sure you want to leave at this time? >> You want to hang out for a little? >> I'm I'm I'm nervous. Anyway, uh, wait, wait, wait, wait. >> Um, >> what's up? >> I was going to ask, do we have anything scheduled for the rest of this month?
because I'm I'm I got a lot of things going on, guys. Do we have anything on the books for the rest of this? >> I don't think so, Al. >> No, we we just have those um events that I talked about at the park with >> No, but nothing for the commission. >> No, no. Oh, okay. Good. All right.
That's >> No, no, I'm good. >> All right. So, we have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. All >> in favor? I >> Thanks, everybody.