Erin --------- Vanaco >> here. >> Jane Reio >> here. >> Um Carrie Gordet >> here. >> Tara Lockan >> here. >> Myself. Dan Keefe. Is that the total we
have right now? >> Tara. >> Oh, Tara. Sorry, Tara. You're the 88 the 508 number that I'm >> here. >> Okay. So, we're missing like you someone just said and then we're missing Chuck and Matt. Okay. MASC >> and MASC. Okay. I was just trying to get
a my bearings on this. All right. So, >> we're supposed to have two of them, but I hope they didn't try to join the Zoom from the other day. >> Okay. Um >> Jenny joined us. Hi, Jenny. >> Oh, J. Okay. Um Okay. Um All right. So, that we call the meeting to order. So, I
would imagine Jane that you would have an update in your communications. Okay. >> I do. Okay. So I have um spoken with Tracy Novik um and Glenn Cooer and Aaron and um Tara S were with me as well uh to
get the lay of the actually I spoke with them multiple times but we met on Monday morning to get the lay of the land and she gave us multiple suggestions uh which we need to vote on today. The first and foremost is that we need to
vote in open meeting, which is this, to officially open the search for a new superintendent and that we plan to do an expedited search using the school committee. >> So move.
>> So I will make a motion to do that. Second. Uh >> oh. >> Sorry. Sorry. Motion made by Jane, seconded by Erin. Um to do an expedited search um only using the school committee.
>> Yeah. >> Is there any other discussion on this? >> All right. I I'll add is I don't know about you folks, but I did receive during the process over the several months um a two or three people that address concerned why the public wasn't
involved or teachers and things like that. But um we will soon find out what those opinions are moving forward, I guess. Yes. >> Um okay. So we have >> in the process um this is just to use
the search comm to use the school committee as the search committee to identify the candidates. When we decide on finalists we can involve whoever we want to involve. We can do get feedback from those people, survey those people. So we can do and she recommended that we
do um traditional like meetings like bring somebody in they meet with the different principles they meet there's a public meeting there's school committee interview meeting like we can set that up to do that which is why we need to move quickly before people leave for the
end of the school year. I >> she she did also mention um and Jane correct me if I'm wrong if I misinterpreted this because it's the school committee all the interviews will be in public so everyone will
be able to um they they can be physically present for the interview process. Um am I correct Jane that the >> you're correct and that that's kind of part two. So part one which we also need to vote on um after this is the starting
process. She recommended what she calls a paper screening so that MASC and one to two school committee members um review the initial people that come in and move those forward to the whole
committee because once you move to the whole committee then it's an then it's becomes open meet like the committee will review those have a meeting to decide who we want to move forward then it becomes open. So if somebody wants to
be private, they aren't private once it goes to the school committee. So she recommended a paper screening for the first part and then who would move forward? Okay. Any further discussion on the
motion um to uh start the process um of using the school committee the search committee school committee as the search committee. All right. Hearing none. All those in favor of that motion signify by saying I >> I >> I
>> All right. And any oppose? Okay. So I will be in opposition to that. >> Okay. >> Okay. 51. Uh 51. Okay. Next motion. >> Okay. So the um so next is to um authorize MASC to direct the search for
us um at at no charge unless they incur charges but not to exceed $1,000. So basically Glenn said that they would do this for us for free since it's so quick. But but if there's something that they like and I can't they couldn't
imagine what that would be, you know, other than handing them a bag of cash at the end or whatever. >> Well, years ago it used to be like printing copies of things and it doesn't sound like we're going to Yeah, our brochure is going to >> Are you looking for a motion to hire MASC?
>> Yes. >> I make the motion. >> Second. >> Okay. U Okay. So, there's a motion by Tara Scobby and a second by T. Was that Terara Lockin? >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Okay. To uh authorize um MASC to be to
conduct the superintendent search. Yes. >> Okay. >> Uh any uh further discussion on that. Hearing none, I will call for a vote. All those in favor? >> I I >> I >> Okay. And any oppose?
Okay. And I'll be in a position to that. So that's five to one. Okay. Any other motions? >> Yes. Um so the initial part so we I have shared with everyone and I can I share on this? >> You should be able to screen share.
>> I should have screen share right? Do I have screen share? Maybe this one. Oh good god. Um, >> so I think that >> this one advertisement
share. All right, you guys seeing that? >> Oh, boy. >> Oh, yes. >> Well, you're probably not. Damn, but you have it. >> Sorry. Okay. Yeah, >> but hopefully I just really wanted to do it for um uh >> Oh, yes. Do I How do I move it? Do I
have to be on it? You think? Maybe. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, um we w we have an an position announcement um and we have to approve the position announcement which was shared to the
committee. Um and it has an application deadline of May 29th. It would be posted tonight or tomorrow morning. Um, and um, it lists the position, it lists the
salary, it doesn't move. Okay, there we go. Um, here, right? Right. Yeah, right here. Uh so they would submit it to we would um submit it to MASC to Tracy um and she would get those and then we
have to uh agree whether or not we want her uh and one and other people from her staff and one or two of us to review the initial submissions.
>> Jane, can you just scroll up again? I believe it the information uh it says comprised of five schools. >> Yeah. >> Is that accurate? >> Yeah, it's accurate. We just say that we
we basically say we have one but there's nothing in it. >> Okay. >> Like one is the preschool and business office and one is like nothing in it. It's still managed by the city. >> Yeah, correct. For right now, till the town of Blackstone meets.
>> Yeah, I I missed that it said AFM there. So, >> yeah. Yeah. If anybody does have um any changes, please um let me know. Does anyone want a volunteer to work with Tracy or should we is that we're
looking for like a volunteer or a vote? Do we need motions or >> So, so we can we um I guess the first vote is whether or not we want to have a paper screening as the first step. >> So, are we going to So, do you Jane, do
you want to vote on the application the posting I suppose itself or >> Sure, let's do that first. And then can I just ask you on the posting or can we >> um so I suppose it'll be the posting and then there'll be a couple of um school
committee members that will work uh with the MASC is that to review the the applications. >> Yeah. So it's called a it's called a paper screening and what it does I mean >> at this stage of the game >> she could get one
>> she could get a hundred right they you know there's no sense of what people will literally have two weeks not not even quite two weeks >> right >> um so it's it's really people who want this district or want this kind of a job and are already ready ready to go um but
then so she they'll will receive all the applications on May 29th. This small committee, which could just be MASC or could be MASC and one or two of us. If it's more than two of us, like if more people want to see everything that comes
in, then we're in an open meeting, >> right? Got >> it's not private to anybody who applies. And that's okay if that's we all want to review everything. That's perfectly fine. But if we decide to do the paper screening
then what will happen is the first week of June um that committee literally the committee will that group will work through the weekend to review or as things come in they'll review them as they come in um and then bring forth the committee the first week of June any
potential candidates that the committee wants to consider and at that point it's a public >> okay >> public information >> and and so and at any time I mean the committee could see if they were curious down the road uh what applications did
come in. Uh but I I I appreciate that and I'm kind of getting ahead of oursel myself but like the paper screening could be like there could be 20 that from Indeed that really are just automatic, you know, type of Yeah. So Got it. >> So I don't know. Is is that accurate,
Jane? Would we have access to the full applicant pool that Dan just said. Ross, >> well, I'm answering yes to Dan. Like, you could get a bunch from Indeed that you don't really want to read. Yeah.
>> Can you go back and look at who applied? No, because it's a private search. >> Well, >> because we're hiring them, right? So, that's on them. Like, >> that might have to be a question we ask to be honest. >> I think so. I'm trying to remember when
we ran our own search, the full hiring committee, screening committee. We had all of it and then then it was decided from that group who was put into an interview.
>> I feel like we need to ask Tracy at any time. Can we see who was in that pool? >> I I again I was hoping she was going to be on. I'm wondering if she's trying to get on to the Zoom meeting and my phone's not working so I don't >> Let me check I'll check emails to see if
she's >> Yeah. No, she's looking for the meeting link. >> Oh, no. >> And it says waiting to be admitted. Is there somebody waiting to be admitted, Tim? >> But where is that on Google on We're on Google Meet.
>> Yeah, we're using the Google Meet. I wonder if she um >> she's not on the invite. >> Is she on the Zoom from the other day? >> That's what I'm wondering. >> Um let me ask her.
>> Do you have her number? >> What? >> I do not. I'm tech I'm emailing >> uh 508. >> Oh, hold on. Do you want to give that on a public meeting? >> Yeah, it's on the It's on the announcement. Yes, >> it's on the announcement.
>> Is it the 508 number on the announcement? >> Hold on. I do have it. I'll mute myself and I'll call her. >> And and and so Jane, for the purpose of the vote, this is just the posting. Uh the next one would be the screening committee. >> Correct. >> Is that correct? >> Hopefully she'll be on by then and she
can answer that question. >> And worst case is we can push that. We need to get a posted the urgency. So, we could we could do the screening committee if if necessary. I mean, I'm fine with that, but um on the 21st >> um if we have to like if we have to make
that vote as a school committee member. >> Yeah. As long as we get this posted. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm going to u and ask uh so as everyone has seen the posting that Jane Well, still on the screen. Um all those in favor of the uh job posting. Um
>> sorry, Mr. I'm sorry. I just got on. I I just was let in. >> Hi, Tracy. Sorry. >> Hi. I'm I'm sorry. I I'm sorry that the link wasn't working earlier for me. >> Oh, it was Jackie who needed to. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yes. Because I I had I had some re
wanted to make uh Do you have a do you have you have something you've been discussing? >> Uh we do. Well, so what we've done so far, so um Tracy, the people on the call, um Dan Keefe is our chairperson of our school committee. Erin, you met on
the call um on Monday. Tara Scooby is also um on the she's the 508 phone number if you're seeing that. She was on the call on Monday. And then there's three of us in the room, which you probably can't see, but that's Carrie, Cara, and myself. And who am I missing?
Nobody. That's it. Okay. So, um we we voted to um approve a search for a superintendent using an expedited search. We approved using MASC
um for the process and what we're doing now is approving the position announcement. Um, and then we were talking about the paper screening and how if we want the initial applicants to be private, then we can't have a school
committee committee as the paper screeners. >> Excellent. >> And there was a question. >> Oops. I'm so sorry, Mr. Chair. >> Sorry. Go ahead, Aaron. All right, I got you. >> So, just there was a question pending about if if the committee if we do the
initial screening committee, can the committee come back and say, can we see the full pool of applicants? >> Not if the applications come in confidentially because you're using an exception to the open meeting law in order to receive the applications and do a preliminary screening.
>> That was my >> that was Dan's question. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. It's either it's sort of you've got to pick one or the other. Either you get to do a preliminary screening in which case the applications can come in confidentially which will give you a better pool or you say all
applications will be public and go directly to the committee. Um which does mean everybody sees every application but it will give you a weaker pool. >> Yeah. particularly frankly in May because people volunt like raising their
hand and saying I'm I'm thinking of leaving my job publicly right now is probably not something a lot of people are going to want to do. >> True. >> True. Um all right. So we're uh a motion to approve the um
>> job posting. >> Job posting. >> Second a motion. Okay. So is it Jane you making the motion? >> Sure. And that was Jane Tara Lockin. Did I heard say second? Okay. >> Tara S. >> And Tara S. All right. So, um, okay. So,
there's a motion and a second to approve the job posting. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Any oppose? It's unanimous. >> Oh, >> great. So, Jane, if that's your screen, if you can just send it to me because I did some reformatting so that we could
make it we could fit it onto a PDF that we can download. So that way I I'll just edit whatever if there's anything that changed. Um I mean I will come to me but that's fine. >> The only uh and you might need to I'll send it to you as a a word doc so you
can check because I wasn't sure the address. I just took it off. >> Absolutely. No that and that kind of stuff we handle anyway. So I'll just I'll take whatever you've got and plunk it into the thing to the >> perfect the thing that we can post. Absolutely. Excellent. >> Okay. >> Good job.
Yeah. Okay. Post it tomorrow. >> And you're going to post it hopefully tomorrow. >> That right. So I have a That's I I have a subcommittee I have to run out the door to in about 20 minutes. Um I'm planning on doing any retweaking I need to do tonight and our hope is to have it up tomorrow. Yes.
>> Perfect. Yep. Okay. So then the next motion would be whether or not we want to do the paper screening comm. And we can have one or two people on that or we can't have any. Um, so you could have I would say that you could have up to three. You have to have less than a quorum.
>> Okay. >> Okay. So whether or not we want to do a um paper screening committee and if we do, who would want I I would be happy to do that. I don't know if anybody else would be. >> Uh Jane, I um I I I have no problem like
putting out a motion for the paper screening committee. >> Yeah. Um and and and then can we uh make the choices at our next school committee meeting so that we can get our heads around this? >> Oh yeah, because we won't we don't have to know who they are tonight, Tracy. Or do we?
>> Um when is your next school committee meeting? >> Next. >> That's fine. Yep. No, you're right. Um you can do that as long as it's uh three or fewer. Um and the other thing I will say is that if it's if it's if you only do one, then you won't have really
anything. thing and I don't even know that you'll need to post. Um so just so everybody knows hears from me what this would be is the electronic the applications are closing on the 29th. um we compile them into an online folder. Um each application is a separate PDF and what I would do is I would share
that with you electronically and then we would set up a time to meet could be online um that following week which is the week of June 1st um to go through them and then have you decide who you then would want to put forward as finalist. So that that is what the work
would be. Um and I have some flexibility that following week so you know we could even get into the middle of the week if you needed to. The one thing we would want to do is try to give as much lead time as possible because you're working to turn around to have the interviews the following week. Um, and we want to
make sure we give people some lead time in terms of their own scheduling. >> And wh and when the screening group decides who they prefer or who they want to move forward, you will then contact those people to see if they want to move forward in public.
>> Excellent point. Thank you for for for underlining that. Um, so when the th when that group meets, they say, "Here's what who we'd like to do." And the way the phone call goes from my end is the Blackstone Millville Screening Committee would like to put you forward as a finalist, which they know means going public. Um, would you be willing to move
forward? Um, and while usually the answer is yes, every so often I get a no. So that's a good thing to know. Um, and just the other thing I would say is that um I always ask the screening committee to give me at least three um because we have to have um more than one
u move forward. Um otherwise you're selecting a superintendent in executive session and you can't do that. So um I I would be asking for that. I also usually recommend the school committee not limit the screening committee to how many people they want. I know that you probably aren't going to do that anyway. um better for them to put forward, you
know, more if they feel strongly about it than fewer. >> Okay. And so, Tracy, and so you you so the the um the the the committee that we're uh the paper Jane, what is this committee that we're talking about right now? >> Well, we're calling it a paper screen
only because what we're going to use is is the applications to decide, right? >> Yep. >> So, um so our quorum would be five for a school committee meeting. So, and you you don't want it to be more than three, >> you suggest. >> So, just because you're a committee of eight, I don't want anybody having an
argument with me about four being half. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And three is an odd number. So, you get a uh >> That's not a bad idea either. I mean, I also know you're trying to balance the two towns, so if you want to, that's fine, too. I I'm happy to work with whatever works.
>> Okay. Um the only other thing I would say actually if you do have a meeting next week because and this is then up to you. We had talked about um once the paper screen had met having you all um convene a meeting at some point during that first week of June to announce who
the finalist talk. >> Yeah. >> But if you want to talk about interview questions during your meeting next week, you could do that instead. >> Yeah. when I have a document. Hold on. We'll we'll So, I have a document.
Um that I will be sending to everybody that has 350 million questions. Um and we'll ask >> that you review. >> It is ours. Okay. >> Yeah, they're yours. I think they're yours.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. Um that you review them and um clearly um Tara L will create some questions about buildings because I don't think those are on there. Um but uh just go through them
and then on the 21st we can come up with questions. >> Great. >> Very good. I won't be part of that meeting. I'll share. >> Okay. I'll share. >> So, so Jane, um, so we wanna, you want to give us a motion for that, uh, paper screening committee? >> Oh, yes.
>> To adopt it and then we can choose it. Uh, and probably if anybody's interested, just submit you an email. >> Um, Sure. >> Um, and then we can make that decision on the 21st. >> Okay. >> All right. So, um I move that we uh in
doing the search process use an initial uh paper screening committee to reduce the applicants before going to the school committee. >> Motion made by Jane. >> Second.
>> Uh was that Tara Kobe? >> That was Carrie. >> Oh, Carrie. Sorry. A motion and second. Um um any further discussion on this? All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> I.
>> Any oppose? Okay, it's unanimous. >> And does that conclude our business for this evening? >> Uh hold on. Um well, no, we So, well, actually, since we are meeting on the 21st, um we would need Do we need a Does
the whole group Tracy need a meeting? The question is whether or not you want to do a meeting to announce the finalists. You can, but you do not have to. You could we could all you could also just send out a memo and release it then more generally to the public from that. >> Okay.
>> Um yeah, but so just on the 21st be prepared to come up with some meetings the week of potentially June I'm looking in January. January 1. June 1st. Um but definitely the week of the 8th and maybe
early we the idea here is to get people here like the week of the 8th the very early the 15th before school is out because we really want to bring people and I will also have a document thanks
to Aaron um a Google doc that like the tours they took and who they met with last time. Um I still have it Aaron. Um and so like met with each principal um met with like if I don't know that we
have to have a public because we can make their interview with the school committee be the public meeting also. I you know and they can people can come and watch um but if there's other people and and it might be that we do you know
one two three days but after the third one if we have lucky enough to have three or four or whatever we have um we'd have to have a school committee meeting in public right Tracy to >> yes >> make our decision. Yes,
>> we do have a meeting on the 11th >> and I think the initial discussion was that they would be spending whatever time they spent in the district and then be interviewing that evening. So, correct. The more the more you can try to clear that week of the eth probably the better um to give some flexibility.
>> Um it's not a bad idea to have them do I mean happy to help with scheduling and um and what what kinds of things people can do during the day too if you'd like. >> Okay. >> So, I love that people are keeping such good records. Yeah. Thank you. Aaron was very good at it.
But um so yeah, so on the 21st just really be prepared to open your calendar. >> So >> is there anything else we needed to do, Tracy? >> Um I think that you have zipped through everything as far as I know, unless anybody has any questions for me about
process or anything else. Uh I just have the on the 21st agenda I have superintendent search kind of like um discussion like this agenda has. So that way there we can we can I think these items would fall under that that
we you know that so just to cover us on that. So >> so Jane you will you will have um opportunity for anything additional you need to add under that um agenda item. Okay, perfect. >> And I think three several of us have to
go into different meetings like right now, right? We do. >> Okay. >> I'm about to go put on my coat and run out the door. So, thank you very much. But >> thank you. >> If any of you do have any questions, my Jane, a bunch of you have my email already. Um and also my telephone number, but please call me, send me an email. That's that's why I'm here. So, I
don't want any of you like wondering what's happening or how we're doing. >> Yeah. And and that's true. It doesn't have to just be me that reaches out. So that if this phase anybody can. >> Okay. Thank you very much. And I'll take a motion to
>> motion made by Jane, seconded by Tara Lockan, I think it was. All those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Any oppose? Unanimous. Thank you everybody. Have a great night. Thanks. Part: 2
We will call to order the school building committee meeting for May 13, 20126. Um, we will do an introduction of members. Terry got it, school committee. >> Tara Larkin, school committee. >> Jeff Silverstein, Blackstone Finance Committee. >> Scott Hwood, director of facilities.
>> Jackie Dio, secretary. >> Jill Pilgalerani, interim superintendent. >> Mike Buckley, Blackstone. Sarah Peters, CPAC, >> Jane Reio, Milville, and online we have Jill Fis, Mary,
Rachel, and Chuck. >> Yes. >> All right. And then we have our consultants. >> Sure. Uh, from the Collier's team, uh, Vivian Verbedian, project director. Along with me is Mark Koran, project manager. >> Trish Pooie, DRA.
>> Jim Barrett, DRA. All right, thank you everybody. >> Thank you. Uh for today we have quite a full agenda items and a little bit of a showand tell for you all. And with it we'll get started with the approval of meeting minutes. We have two to approve
tonight. One for April 8th which was the regular session and the second one for April 15th which was the virtual meeting. Is there a motion to approve minutes? >> So moved. >> Motion by Jeff. Second. >> Second. Second by Sarah and roll call.
Carrie, >> yes. >> Tara, yes. Jeff, >> yes. >> Scott, >> yes. >> Jill, >> yes. >> Mike, >> yes. >> Sarah, >> Jane, >> Jill, >> F. Lost her. Mary,
>> can you hear us? >> Can you hear us? Can you hear us? what you're repeating a lot. >> Well, we we restarted the meeting because we weren't being >> I think it's just an echo. >> Rachel.
>> Rachel. >> Rachel. >> Rachel. Rachel. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And Chuck. >> Turn your mic off. >> Okay. Just >> No. No. >> Yeah. Your mic's off, right? >> Yes, it is now.
>> So, you're the culprit. >> Somebody must have the mic on. >> Yeah, we're fixing it now. Thank you. Sorry. >> Okay. Minutes are approved. >> Thank you everyone. With that, uh, typical of our meetings, we have the OPM
>> technical difficulties. >> Okay, great. >> Can Can you hear us? >> It's coming from that room. I think the feedback has been resolved and hopefully you guys tell us if it hasn't. The OPM report is next. With
that, we'll start with a few administrative items first. Do we have to get We have two invoices to present to you this month. The first one is from the DRA team. Invoice number 13 in the
amount of $18,564. The next one is for Collier's CPO in the amount of $14,312.50. Both of which are checked against their commitments and within line. And we seek an approval motion to approve both
invoices totaling in the amount of $32,876.50. >> So moved. >> Motion by Jane. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. >> Second by Jeff. Um, any discussion? All right. We'll go for roll call. Carrie, >> yes.
>> Tara, yes. Jeff, >> yes. >> Scott, >> yes. >> Jill, >> yes. >> Mike, >> yes. >> Sarah, >> yes. >> Jane, >> yes. Jill Fus, Mary not hearing anyone. >> Rachel and Chuck
put it in. >> What happened? >> What is going on? >> I'm not sure. >> Rachel, are you here? >> I think enough of us. >> Enough of us. >> Yes, we can hear you. Um,
>> but I think there may still be some repeating sound. >> Okay. How many Do you have speakers on? >> I don't have anything. >> No, I have nothing on. >> Your speakers are on. >> Yeah, we can hear through that now. >> You hear through this? >> Yeah, but I don't.
>> Does this have >> my >> I'm going to just try my best. Sorry. >> Okay. No, you're good. No, this is my mom. >> Well, can they still hear me online? >> Yes.
>> I'm not answering. >> You know, we're going to get >> Can you guys still hear us online? >> Building committee dissolves. >> Okay, great. As uh we figure out the technical difficulties, I'll take this
moment to introduce uh Mark Roran from the Collier's Project Leaders team. As many of you might already know, Christina um is on maternity leave and she had to leave a little bit earlier than we had originally planned. And
behind the scenes, Mark and Christina have been working together to get up to speed and to understand where the project is. Mark uh is a project manager here at Collier. I have uh personally worked with him in my previous firm as
well. And currently at Pro at Collier, he is on the Whitman Handsome Middle School project, which is an MSBA project as well as the Reading Elementary School, which is another MSBA project. Prior to that, we worked together in the
town of Newton as well as in Winchester. So, I'm happy that he will be joining in Christina's absence. And I apologize that you guys didn't get a lot of advanced notice on that. Neither did I. So,
>> fortunately, we had been kind of planning and strategizing behind the scenes and when um you know, Christina was instructed to go on bed rest, this is the game plan motion. It's set into place.
And I'll I apologize, but I'll wait until the screen is back on to move to the next item. All right. >> Okay. Any questions while we wait? >> Okay.
I do not envy Tim's role. No. Right. >> Too stressful for me. Yeah. Huh? They're just going to have to open their own I don't know. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, next item on our agenda
is reviewing our budget summary. Nothing much has changed other than the invoices that we just approved have been actualized and everything. It falls within line and within our commitment range.
I know this is a little bit difficult to see, but um the packets had been sent out uh prior for everyone's >> electronic this time. >> Mhm. >> Next item. We wanted to quickly remind
everybody of what we've been through thus far and what is coming. So, we've um as you guys know, we've already developed we're working on developing the SD drawings and today we'll have a uh the DRA team will have a nice
presentation on finishes and exterior. With that, the cost estimators are hard at work reviewing the drawings and putting pricing together. We're hoping that we will have that pricing by the end of the month and in order to share
with the greater school building committee and once the cost estimation is done early June, we will do our work and our part between all parties to review the SD review package and submit
to the MSBA on June 25th. That's our target. Prior to that we will come come back to you to review the package what is included and seek your approval to submit on your behalf during once the submission has occurred a lot of the
focus will turn more towards um community engagement. We have already started a lot of efforts and are continuing on many of them, but we will start to ramp up more towards community engagement as the MSBA does their review
of the SD or schematic design submission package when in hopes that uh all will be well and approved and go in front of the MSBA board meeting on August 26th.
And as always um once the MSBA has given their approval, we will also be working with them in putting together the project scope and budget and which is affectionately known as the form 311
and the PFA which is the kind of like your agreement with MSBA on what is going to be included, the exact dollar amount on what the financing looks like and their contribution as as well as the
commit the town's share. With that, uh, reimbursement rate will be finalized and we will be working towards a fall town vote. And I know I ran through this quickly, but any questions
as I struggle with my tearful eye >> today? No. Okay. And honestly, that was all for our OPM report. We wanted to allow the time for DRA to present. I'll do the clicker if
that's okay or you want to. >> No, that's fine. >> Okay. >> Uh thank you all. Um as I mentioned earlier, uh Greg is traveling out west and u we're here this evening to share with you an update in terms of our
progress. Um as you've just heard from Vivian, here we are at midmon in May. our goal by the end of May to have cost information in place uh so that we can better understand u where we are within
the confines of the project and beyond that looking to end of June for submission to MSBA. uh part of what we'd like to share with you this evening. Uh we have some materials that we'll touch on relative
to proposal. What I'd like to stress this evening is these are pallets of material. Uh we do have the design development phase. uh should we be uh carrying forward and successful through the town vote uh we'll have that design
development phase where you know we'll be kind of testing these out in multiples and bringing them to the committee for review and approval. But what we wanted to share is families of products, general color ranges, texture,
material, uh items that will help us contrast that type of thing. So the first slide is just something that you've seen to date. Um this is our development of the site plan uh with the positioning of the building relative to
the existing building uh the proposed travel routes etc. Again, I'd emphasize we're at that schematic design development stage and we have miles to go in terms of full development. But what this type of information does is
help inform the cost estimators, understand the scope and nature of the project, and that's much of what we're going to touch on this evening as well. If you go to the next slide, the floor plans are very much what you have seen
to date and these are the materials that we've been sharing uh within the community organization of the building with the academic wings to the right hand side as you face it. uh the community elements to the lefthand side
and with the knowledge that this building uh has entrance and access on either side of the building. Um so uh the organization, the layout of the building, much of what you have seen to
date. Next slide, we'll go up to the upper floors. um at the second and third floor predominantly academic in nature although to the left hand side we do have the upper access to the auditorium
area. So uh just a general overview of where we've been relative to site planning and floor plan and uh relative placement of positions of elements within the building. If you go to the
next slide, this is the beginning of the elevational study uh within the building. Uh if we look to the labeled self elevation, the one along the bottom u starting at the left hand side, you
can see the component parts of the building and where they are within the confines of the massing of the building. So, starting with the cafeteria, moving to the right to the auditorium, uh the events entrance, that's that left
hand side of the floor plan, if you will, for after hours use, weekends use, public use, community use, uh administration anchoring the center portion of this elevation and then main entrance and the academic wings to the
right. Yeah. Could I ask uh how many what's the capacity of the auditorium plan for >> 600 and right now it's 600 about 650. >> Okay. >> Same as it is now, right? >> Yeah. Same as now.
>> Yeah. It's a batch. Yeah. Okay. >> So, this shares just overall organization of the building. And really the meat of what we'd like to talk about at this point is how these materials might be deployed across these various elevations. Um, and that information
that we're putting in the hands of our cost estimators to help shape the overall kind of gauging of where we stand in overall target number. Do you want to take a shot at sharing? Uh, >> yes. We'll go. >> You can stay with the first
>> the first. Okay. >> Yes. So, um, we've we've made a couple of tweaks, uh, in the cafeteria. We've sloped the, um, the roof there. And on the west side, uh, there'll be there's, uh, windows, so
you'll get light, natural light into there. We also opted for, um, heavy timber structure for the uh, for the roof. And this way, it'll bring it'll kind of warm up the room. It's, you know, you'll have a high ceiling, a slope ceiling. Um it gives a nice design
element to to that space and we are hoping to bring that wood element on the outside of the building as well which we'll show you in a in a bit. Um as we had talked about in a couple meetings ago we want to use brick and metal panels. So what we did was we
brought examples of brick metal panel um CMU uh there are um concrete bricks that are available as well. So, we have all of this and as we move along in this, I'll I'll kind of get more specific with these. If we go to the next slide, um
you have your your west elevation, which is the uh the side elevation as you're coming down the hill and wrapping around the building, and the east elevation is all the academic elevation, which faces more toward the um residential area. If
you go to the next slide. So this is where we get into more specifics. And this is I know a question that a lot of people had at one of the meetings when we had talked about uh brick and how walls are made now compared to the way they were made before. So what we did was we took a section of of it to show
you that in the back you have your CMU. On top of the CMU you'll have a weather barrier to keep the the water out of the building. Um you'll have insulation that's packed in there. the the new energy code is very specific when it comes to how much insulation you need
and and how strong of a wall that that you know you're you're making. Um and then you have your cladding which is either going to be brick or a metal panel. Um if any water does get behind it, there are weepholes that allow the water to come out of the building so you
don't have a water trapped inside which is how a lot of the older buildings were were made. And that's when you start seeing bricks starting to to crumble or shale or or pop out. It's because that water was never allowed to weep out of the building. There's an air space in there. Now, a lot of the older
buildings, there was no air space. They just packed the concrete and all the mortar when they squished the bricks together would just fall to the bottom so it would make a a barrier and none of the water would get out. They've changed that now, so you don't have that problem
anymore. If you go to the next one, here's an example. Um, this has different kinds of brick. There's a darker brick at the bottom, kind of holds the the base down, and then it gets layer as you go up. And there's metal panel on the other side. I thought this was a good example of showing what we have here. We have
glass, metal panel, and and brick. If you go to the next slide, this is the metal panel. So, the metal panel gets applied to the the whatever substrate we're going to be using, either um a CMU
or uh metal stud, and there's a locking mechanism with the metal panel, and that also allows water to to fly behind it and weep back out of the system. So, you have continual drying out of all these walls, so you don't get any uh moisture
stuck behind them. So this is an example of metal panel. This I would never make your building look like a bar chart. I just wanted to let you know. >> So that bar is metal. That's metal. >> Yes. So the paneling system that we had
looked at for this for lupon which is one of these. Um when it's made it's it the sides are bent so that there's a finished end. But in this system, you're you have a flat
panel and then there's another one proud of that where sunk in and it makes a nice um shadow line. So it really gives movement to the building. Like I said, I wouldn't exactly do it this way, but I just wanted to show an example of how that metal panel could be lots of
things. So there's metal panel, the darker gray on the side, and then they made this large heart in the middle. Um, and but it is just showing that you can do lots of different things to that facade to make it more interesting, especially on the west side of your building where you have a large
expansive wall because you have the gym and the auditorium and the cafeteria sort of all, you know, cascading down the hill. >> An opportunity with the metal panel uh comes in both the shade and shadow line that uh Trish was speaking of, but also
the color availability. Um there's a broad range of color availability and it gives us >> um a lot of opportunity to kind of draw interest in to the uh elevational uh studies um and and a lot of opportunity
to contrast and and enhance the brick use throughout the the the building. >> We found some purple for your chargers. >> There's a question. >> So um is there any significant cost differential between these two types of
materials and is there any difference in terms of how long it takes to uh to install them. >> So from a cost standpoint there is differential between a a masonry veneer dependent upon selection of the material
pretty wide variant there. Um the metal panel systems uh typically have a similar range but I'd say they kind of are slightly stacked on top of one another if you will. the metal panel slightly more expensive, the brick
slightly, you know, as a as a grouping, which means they often can be at the same price point. Um, we'll have better information on price point as we get the cost estimators to kind of weigh in on these uh materials. The other point in
terms of construction or constructibility, um, masonry systems are probably one of the best known systems for public work here in Massachusetts. As a result, we have highly trained uh,
>> uh, skilled workforce. Uh, we see these things go up awfully quickly. Uh the metal panel as a system is a system because it's panelized very easy to install. Uh very easy once
the clip systems are set in place uh to get in place. So I'd say both kind of move forward at pace with normal construction cycles. >> How long have you been using it and do you see like any fading going on?
>> So it's a great question. Um throughout my career we have used metal panel systems. Um the darker more intense colors are those that can over time uh have a fading. Um
many of the manufacturers will warranty to level of kind of degradation of color if you will. The truth of the matter is when they are in the field and the entire system is kind of aging
uh it's very difficult to pick that type of thing out. The point where you might uh is if there was a replacement necessary where you have to kind of blend in one >> uh you might be able to pick out a
slight variant. But uh the the systems are high performing and the coding systems are very high performing uh which includes UV barriers and that type of thing to prevent that. >> We can go to the next slide.
>> Um what's the primary metal in these metal? Is it aluminum? Is it steel? >> Okay. >> Yes. And maybe for a point of clarification, if you guys don't mind, what was anticipated and what is included as part of the SD package that
went out to the cost estimators >> both the metal panel and and brick. >> So you'll be able to get a real time cost comparison between both. >> There's also which we have here are concrete bricks. So these come in
multiple sizes, multiple colors. Um they can they can be faded um because they mix the aggregate together. So you can >> this is concrete. >> Dang. >> Yeah. And this actually this is that what's on that um the one on the left
hand side. Um so it it makes a very nice um uh that actually is concrete, brick and metal panel. Um, but you get a better color or different color variation in this than you would in in a regular brick. Um, so this just another
option that we wanted to bring to show you. The other advantage with this is if um if you're using CMU on the bottom as we are on some of the elevations as a base, uh, this lines up directly with it where the bricks are smaller, so you kind of have to change your your wall
section. Um, this allows you to line it up. Um, so again, just another um another option that's out there. So we wanted to make sure that we showed you um what else was available for facades. If we go to the next one. So we took um
we took a a a section of the the classroom wing and did a little elevation and uh isometric for you. So, we'd have um let's say we'd have a darker gray brick as the front where it
kind of um uh goes into that little cove. We can lighten up that. So, from the elevation, you get a nice kind of um change in in coloration. And then we we could do a um with the bricks, you can put little reveals in, you can stick
them out, stick them in. So you can do a design which um actually if you go back um two I think oh no act that one. So sort of like under those windows you can do different designs to to get again to get some more motion going so you just
don't have a complete flat wall. Um so again we just wanted to show that as a as an option. >> Um you could go to the next one. Oh that's it. So go ahead. I just making sure we hit the
>> Yes. So, um, which wasn't in your packet because I found it after the fact. Um, the the entry trellis that you've been seeing kind of that that swoosh that comes around. Um, this is actually not
real wood. It's also aluminum. But I will pass this around. >> I'll do that while you talk. This is very um this is what I had envisioned and I couldn't find it anywhere and somebody actually makes it. Um it's not real wood
so you don't have to worry about it checking or little animals that may come picking at it. It's um it's it for Scott it much more maintainable than than wood would be. And um we can make an open trellis
where we want to let light in. And then over the entries of the public entrance and the main entrance, we can um close it off so you're you're um free from weather and stay dry and and all of that. Um and then we'd be able to light underneath it nicely. Not exactly with
these uh backyard lights, but we put, you know, official lighting there. But um this is something that we found. And again, it's aluminum, so it's it's uh it's very durable, and they do have lots of colors that they come in. So, I think
it would be a nice complement to the exterior of the building. And then also relating back to the wood that we're going to have in the cafeteria. >> So, we do find the aluminum woodlook uh materials uh to offer you all that flexibility uh
the warmth that it brings to an exterior. a great contrast of both texture and color as compared to the masonry products. Um, and as Trish mentioned, the opportunity to tie it together with interior wood materials.
Um, real broad range of color associated with it that gives you that opportunity to make the color matching happen. And uh in terms of long-term maintenance uh a product that again in terms of usage we've used for many years uh within
projects like yours. >> Yes. >> Yes. Is >> there any significant difference um among these materials uh in their resistance to graffiti? So, the masonry materials
uh and Scott is probably familiar with many of the products that are out there that help you remove uh graffiti. Uh many of the masonry products uh will perform similarly. the harder surfaced,
those that have a less porous surface are those that kind of give it up most easily. But that's not to say that uh a product uh you know, such as this example that does have uh a an open face
uh could not be cleaned from a a graffiti. I can pass this around to you if you want. I I I got an actual sample of the Alukaban so because I know a lot of people are familiar with it so you could see how it's put together and it's
>> it's maybe I'll pass around the colors. >> It's not orange. So much appreciated. >> Even though you brought me orange. >> I ordered this specifically for you cuz I knew you were going to ask about the orange. So >> when I ordered it, they're like, "Are you sure of the orange?" I said, "Yes,
I'm sure. This may be a present color selection for the >> Oh, this is the different woods. >> The range of the wood colors in the aluminum. >> This is And it's really not wood, huh? >> It looks like BC. >> Yeah, exactly. I like the darker woods
on it. Turn the bar around. >> Uh I think Jim just handed around the other side. Oh, perfect. >> Yeah. Yeah, it'll make its way around. >> It's on its way around. >> Yeah. >> And I'll pass. I mean, you guys are free to >> Yeah, you can come up and touch. But
these are all the colors >> that >> Yeah, you should. >> Look at these all around. Thank you. >> Yeah. Right. No. >> And I don't want orange as you can tell. >> We're in the same mindset. No question. >> If you're going to have really pretty
wood like glow-in-the-dark colors, >> let's make a close. Thank you. >> Did everyone get a chance to? >> Yeah, that's been around the table. >> And these are Oh, maybe I'll >> do the smaller.
>> Yeah, >> I mean, this has smaller. >> That'd be a good car, but not necessarily a school. >> This is concrete. >> Those are the color selections.
>> Mary, are you trying to talk? Now the um >> these are the colors. >> Okay, you know just a second there's a lot of chatter in here. >> What? Mary has a question. >> There was like a a big one about nine. It's in front of the chair that there what what is that material?
>> Brick right there. >> That's brick. >> That's brick. >> Yes. >> And there was a question. >> Yep. Mary Mary. >> Yeah. >> Proponent of a great product. I've used it multiple
times. Um I don't know if anybody wants to drive by site showing middle school is a mix of dress concrete with lucab. >> I can hear the echo. I don't know if that's >> we can't hear it.
>> You're clear here. >> That's fine. Great product. >> I don't know if TR has any recommendations they have done that people should drive by to look at. Well, we did Mary visit the uh
Middleboro High School project uh that was uh clad at the upper portions of the building in a lucab bond. Uh we also used a combination of brick and uh smooth face uh masonry there and I some
of the committee members had opportunity to visit and see that installation >> like 1990s. Yeah, for for me it provides a great range cavity the architectural side. So
you know Shuzu probably library is also got >> Y places you can see it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's an important point. Uh when we think about wall systems, they're really not holding the water out, but
rather they're rain screens. They allow the the moisture to make its way to the inside cavity, but as Trisha noted, that cavity then has an exit point at the bottom and also a way that it circulates
air that it dries the cavity. So they're much more durable than the solid wall constructions that were part of masonry construction past. But as Mary is saying, the Ulucabon is a sister to that product that that
concept if you will. Allows water behind it and sheds water behind the system as a rain screen. Any other questions relative to materials? Do we need to choose them or are we waiting for
>> what we would hope for this evening if there are senses from the committee of that's a great product we'd like to see it incorporated or vice versa that's a product that we would not want to see in Blackstone Millville
>> um that type of feedback is something that would help us um the range that we described utilize ing the uh woodlook metal in concert possibly with brick u
the CMU is that type and a luca bond is that type of pallet range something that is uh acceptable to the committee >> what's that third part luca lucabond what's >> that's the metal panel >> metal
>> the metal panel system >> yep and it has the this is a flat panel but in the sectional study it has turned corners. So there's a >> they're finished. You would never see them cut. >> Who has the >> I do right there. >> There we go.
>> So this isn't a Luca panel and you see it goes up and it returns back and it actually provides kind of a sense of thickness if you will and shadow line. Uh so it's a system that affords a lot of
>> uh opportunity for different types of uh util uses >> and gives like a dimensional depth look and feel to it too. I I switched to this one just because it has all of
>> the described features and the alucabon I mean you guys are experts at this. This one is being hung vertically. You could choose to do it horizontally like there's many variety of
>> sizes, shapes. Essentially, it's like a 4x8 piece and then you tell them what you want to cut to and then they do that. >> Mhm. >> If we pick, are we going to see a 3D model like that where we can actually see the colors and the products on the walls? >> Yes. As we move along, we will give you
um some studies of how cuz you know whether it looks better vertical, horizontal. That's something that we've been um trying out at in the office and like you saw that other section that we did to try to get you know some depth into the um in there. So yes, we would have um we would have model for you. We
were and I was talking with to Jim about this the other day. We had started kind of working from the inside out on this project. So, we were we worked with Jel a lot with adjacencies and and where things were in the building and started growing out from there and now we're at the point where the plan is is looking
pretty set and now we want to get into how we're going to clad the building. >> So, any feedback from you? Like you said, we we wanted to get we wanted a warm feel to the building. Um, you know, we want and something that'll, you know,
look relevant for for years. >> Great. What I would also like to remind folks, these buildings are large buildings and when you see a number of materials, often your sense might be thinking of application to your home or
to your garage or with the wall surface that's available. It's important that we have a number of materials available that we can begin to kind of have them contrast with one another, introduce new materials,
identify entrance, those different kind of things that are important to us when we're trying to get users to be able to come to the building and utilize it and know where they are. Um, and that's without having a sign saying enter here.
And along those lines lines, some school, some communities have like >> made sure that there was representative of their culture or their environment. Like one town to the north here a little ways, big manufacturing town, so they
wanted to make the brick look kind of close to that. I don't know if there's any, you know, the potato chip company's out of business, so I don't really know of any uh thing that we'd want to emulate, but you know, maybe that's something to think about. You know,
>> we also um we can do a lot with lighting now, too. So, whereas, you know, if we were to put something purple on the building and it's purple and it's staying there, right? But if you um but with all the LED lights now, you can
>> you have a range of colors. you can do your colors and then not do them another time, you know, and change it for different events and things like that. So, we have that um uh the elevation when you're driving into the the building on the the gym side. We've
added a lot of um uh glass there and we're hoping to get like uh use that for some nice lighting. So when you approach the building um >> right >> yeah I think from my perspective and I'm
one person in a group of however big we are but I I just like it needs to be classic and timeless. I'm just not looking for an industrial you know walk by. >> Well that was only that was only an example. >> Yeah. No I know but that's what I'm saying. I I want to make sure we don't
build like a hallowell school in North Smithfield that was like built on the aspect of the open campus and there was open >> they had to walk between buildings. It was terrible. >> Sure. >> And you know this is early 60s. >> Yep. Right. >> And uh but you know that's what I just
mean something effective this I think that this building is pretty effective is cutting to the hill so that you know you're not uh kind of represents three stories whereas we just really didn't see two you know stuff like that. you know, and it is visible on the street, so you want to
drive by and go, "Wow." >> Yeah. >> So, this image over my shoulder, that upper right hand corner, that is what Trish was just identifying. That's the corner of the gym as it presents itself
as you're arriving to the school. So the opportunity there is utilizing glazing system at that corner in coupled with kind of LED lighting or that type of offering
>> can kind of act as a lantern. So I know there was a lot of concern about this being kind of back of house, back of property, arriving at a big wall, that type of thing. with these types of materials and that type of kind of
playful kind of interaction, there's a lot of opportunity to have this really feel welcoming. Uh have it be something that's exciting, have it be something that can be changed as Trish was just alluding to, you know, uh
>> and we we have effective uses of LED lighting. Once again, I don't want to It's because we shared a a walkth through, but at Middbor High School, I don't know if folks recall the LED lighting in the corridors, >> they used it there as an interior
element, but it is one where it's often uh in orange. Uh but uh many other times it'll be something that relates to a holiday of that particular month or some other feature or if it's somebody's
birthday and it's their favorite color >> that type of thing happens within a quarter. So uh it does offer playfulness but it offers something that can draw excitement to an elevation beyond material. Um the the the use of light
can be really effective. >> It' be nice if the wall sconces on this building could do that. >> They can. Yeah. If you retrofit them. >> It It does take some work. >> Yeah. I don't think anyone's looking for
a one product. This is what we want. It's more of giving the team a little bit of direction on what are maybe we could start with what we don't like and that way that's a quick elimination. >> I thought that was your favorite color.
>> Like the wood seems to be >> the dark wood. Yeah. Even with the bricks I personally like I go to the grays and more of that like natural stone coloring. >> That was so that seems to be the consensus from I've been hearing different piece every time we present
something. And so that's why I brought a range of grays because that seemed to be something that people >> I'm in awe of this concrete that doesn't look like that looks like granite like >> it does come in pol you can polish it too. So there's >> I I think that the thing has got to be
welcoming. I know that an early in an early uh concern 50 years ago was that when you observed like the B-wing from up where uh Charlie Sullivan lives looking down in it was like you were looking into a prison.
>> Yeah. >> It was all those recessed windows and it was really >> wasn't really a a pretty building. >> But understand that that at those time at that time the thing was it was the first new school that either town had built in. Well, Sherlock hasn't built a
school or whatever, but >> probably went on and built and designed a probably that architect went on and designed a couple of uh correctional facilities. >> It was it was the pro was the uh architect. >> Um Burlington High School, which is
close to home for me, was designed I I forget the firm's name, but the original design looks very similar. and come to do a little bit of research that yes, they were they also went on to design a lot of correctional facilities here
locally. >> I can offer DRA has not done any correctional facilities in a 100redyear history. >> How about large uh how about large warehouses that are empty and they're just waiting for that type of >> Haven't haven't been there either. Yeah.
Um the the the issue of trying to take a large building and break it down is one issue. Another is to try to have materials that are hardwearing and yet look welcoming. And I think Trish in identifying the
>> uh wood look aluminum is a good gesture particularly at the entry points to the building. It's where you know u as as Trish was saying we've designed this building inside out. It starts with what are the important adjacencies? Where is
the uh public side? Where's the private side? Um what's important in terms of how it's organized and what are the key features? >> Those key features will carry interior elements that make them special. An example tonight was the the wood use
within some of those key spaces. Now, as we're coming outside, it's that same type of conversation. How do we >> Yeah. >> have materials that are hardwearing that can withstand the test of time and yet give us a pallet that's broad enough to
be able to make it interesting. And then in those specialty points, entry points, how do we elevate that to a place where it's evident that that's where you want to walk into the building and be received? here naturally you already have the main entry and the secondary
event entry and it feels like it's a good segregation point of having one different maybe two different types of elements on the academic wing using the main entrance as like a a separator a place of landing where you feel like
you've arrived and then put some other materials on more of the administration and public spaces as Well, >> right. >> So, you don't have to feel like you have to pick one product. It's just we're trying to
>> We're just trying to get them to kind of sing together. >> Yeah. A sense of what direction would you like us to explore? >> So, we've heard some conversation around kind of the shape, the grays, if you will. Um,
>> all right. >> Doesn't have to be dark gray >> texture. Uh, I mean there is smooth face in the light gray. There's open face. >> Can you get any like an orange peel? >> We have an orange, but uh
we certainly could get it in texture. I'm sure >> Jane. I don't know if I would stand for this. >> Vinnie and I will not be attending the opening at this. >> No, do not say that. >> Roll out an orange carpet.
>> Yeah, right. I just sit on the red carpet. >> But I do agree. I do love that um concrete >> and that Yeah, >> I'll see if I could get um the actual sample sample. They're not they they're not that far from where I live. I've
actually bought stuff from them before, so I can kind of go bother. >> Can you get it in both polished and non-polished? >> Yes. Yes, they have um they have a couple of different finishes that you get on that as well. >> And Scott, sometimes that's an effective
way to kind of create uh in a large panel a little bit of variation where a uh a panel that's mostly rough texture face has a few inserts of smooth face. and you see them when you're kind of at a grazing view of the elevation, but it
creates pattern and it creates u just another kind of feature and not really an expense to speak of. >> It's really it's that academic wing that we have to really make sure we like >> somehow break up. >> Yeah, that's what I think the dark and
light and when it goes in and out, I think that'll make a nice um repetition around the building. And then on the other side, you do have a long stretch. Granted, they are broken up with windows, but you do have a long >> Yeah, we were trying to do a reveal
around the groupings of windows again just to get some shadow lines in there. So, um yeah, we'll we're we're working on that even now. Um we developed wall sections for the um for the estimate. So, you know, you've got a decent sized uh piece of fascia at the top that that
starts to kind of pull things together as well. So, >> any feedback, any other feedback to offer? >> So, >> can you go back to the the bar chart? >> Yeah. >> Or can we go?
So, I think that like dark color is is like stands out. Don't like the bar chart at all, but like >> Yep. >> using a darker like really makes it >> kind of classy. >> Yeah. >> But I don't necessarily want that to be purple.
>> No, not purple. >> That's why I brought the purple just to show like again you really have to buy into that when you start using >> a prominent color. So that would be used sparingly if we >> Yeah. kind like an accent if >> Yeah. But that looks I mean it looks
like it's got lines in it. It looks like it's got >> So that's a typical Luca bond application where those lines that you see that create the vertical rectangles. >> Y >> those are each folded panels. So they're
about an inch thick. Uh they return. They have a reveal between them. It's an open joint. So we're not worried about cocking between all of these any longer. It's open face with a rain screen >> meant to allow the rain to drop behind
the system between it and the inside water vapor barrier. >> Yeah. As long as I guess back to the traditional look, not so modern, which I think the dark can also >> end up being too modern looking.
What do you guys think of I guess this where maybe a little darker and more traditional instead of vertical the hor you know the metal panel side >> the contrasts are pretty pretty uh
unique and pretty eye-catching you know kind of like that idea. >> Okay. >> Did somebody Yep. Mary, go ahead. >> I like the way the rain is built now and it doesn't require data. We're not going
to have to come up with the responsib. >> We definitely don't need purple. >> I think we heard that loud and glare. that in the in the rugs and all. >> Right. Yep. >> Right. >> Yep. >> In the little Charger horse that's going to sit somewhere.
>> Which style? >> Yeah. We were hoping that um in in that facade with the glass at the auditorium or the at the gym um in that corner, we were hoping to hang like a a charger um >> banner. uh not a banner but like a like
maybe like a metal sculpture of it or something and then have that back lit. So I think that would be really striking as you're coming in. >> I thought we were going to incorporate the one that's on the wall already. >> Yeah, we have So we have plenty of wall space to do that on on that too. So
yeah, we have Ryan actually has already modeled it in Revit so we can we can put put it around the building. >> That was a gift from a class. >> 2012 2012 12 2013. >> Yeah. What year? >> There's a plaque. >> Do you need anything else? >> No, I think that's
>> I think 2012 was a scoreboard. >> Thank you. This is really >> Yeah, it's kind of cool. >> Helpful. This is the fun stuff, right? >> Donated. >> Oh, thank you. 2014. >> You go run out and look at it. I'm kidding. >> I wouldn't doubt it. >> All right.
>> We appreciate the feedback and it's it's helpful. So, as you think about this, or if in fact you do travel and see a building and say, "There it is." >> Take a picture. >> Yeah. Take a picture. Send it to >> bring it home to us and let us uh Can I >> ask you a question about windows? >> Sure.
>> I know. Some of them they almost look like they reflect green back off of it. >> Yes. So, green is the most common glass color. It's the least >> I'm kind of like Jean's orange with the Don't worry, Sarah. We're looking into
different um uh different manufacturers have different tints on the windows um and especially again with the energy code. There's I think you were saying it's like triple pain they're almost asking for at this point. So we'll make sure that we get one that does not have
a color that's not within the realm of the building. Yeah. Um >> yeah, I I don't actually there was we when we were looking for precedent studies and things like that, we were noticing that too. Don't want the green. Yeah, it it also it's dated, too.
>> Thank you. >> Gosh, dated. I thought it was classic. >> That brick with the green window has another question. >> Yep. >> Yeah. one just comment whatever the darker lucap
how is that going to react to weather are we going to have um street from rain or acid rain or snow >> yes >> the lighter ones don't seem to show what those >> so it's a that's a great question relative to streaking I'll start with
that uh from a detailing standpoint um like like many materials that have a return, we have to make sure there's a drip edge that doesn't allow the the water to stream across the adjoining
surfaces. Um, so that's part of kind of the detailing effort of utilizing the systems. The systems manufacturers are very aware of it. Uh so from the streaking standpoint it is something
that we know we will address as we get into the detailing and work with the manufacturer's representatives uh relative to the degragation of the systems. These are u higherformance
coatings uh you know you you generally refer to it as a paint system. It's beyond that. Um they're usually uh 20 to 30year kar systems uh that have guarantee in terms of its performance.
Uh I think Scott you may have asked about the fading question earlier. This is part and parcel of that same kind of concern and question with the Aluka bond materials. But uh uh really uh important
for us to specify and identify materials that can address that type of long-term uh ability uh for a public school. But it is something that's available to
us and that we have used >> with the Aluca bond especially the the coatings are much better than some of the other metal panel systems where I I had specified a Luca bond on a uh on a building not with Dr. a previous uh firm
and it was value engineered out to some other panel and the other panel started to patina which means it started to to really start to weather and and and I was not happy with it. So we um we got it changed but that was not a
comfortable conversation to have. So that's why um the Aluca bond is definitely tops when it comes to to metal panel systems >> and I believe correct me if I'm wrong but we also >> I agree with that and I believe that we have respect and hopefully there are
three people >> I believe that's Mary touching on an important point and that is this is public bid u we are not able to say we want to Luca bond what we can say is from a qualitative standpoint from a
performance standpoint this is a material here are the performance characteristics here are the qualitative characteristics that we can identify and measure for and by the way it's produced by a lucabond USA
>> whatever >> and here are two additional equals and that's something that our uh specification writers are challenged with every day. So, a challenge in commercial or excuse
me in um public design 149 149A design is that fact that if you're trying to work with several colors across a facade, uh a particular manufacturer might be able
to meet your performance spec but not provide the same range of color or not not provide the same color, if you will and that will make you then have to make some other decisions about other materials that you're receiving. So you might kind of slightly change your
pallet to make it work together. But again, these are things that we'll bring back to the committee as they become and this is way downstream. This is in construction administration. And don't panic because whoever gets it
will submit colors to the architect and they will come to us to chew. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Great. Any further discussion? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Next agenda item is community
engagement group update. I can wholeheartedly say we've been very busy lately and with that some of the um efforts since the last school building committee meeting that we had were we
did attend the Millville Senior Center. We made a presentation to the Millville Senior Center on 413. also had the pleasure of presenting in front of the town um of Blackstone select board on
the 28th as well as um members of the school building committee and the community engagement group presented to the high school new member ceremony, the family dance. We also did had the pleasure of presenting to the town of
Milville select board on 54 and there was representation at the district of one and talent show and as usual we are always working with the superintendent with the administration to put together the monthly newspaper posts and the
Blackstone uh enlightener. Thank you, Tara, for all of your help with the social media outreach on the Facebook page, weekly superintendent newsletter. Thank you, Jill, and the project information flyer at local
events. All of these efforts will continue and intensify as we move further along in the process and ongoing outreach efforts. As you know, we're already continuing always to do some of the monthly posts on the Enlightener
Facebook page as well as the superintendent newsletter and uh the flyers and the Pony Express, too. Upcoming events that I think the school building committee and especially the public relations group is looking for
assistance is for the Black Zone Town meeting coming up just for you to be aware of. the senior center. We already confirmed that date that we'll be making a presentation now to the Blackstone senior center since we already did one previously to the Millville.
There's an ice cream social and the basketball color fundraiser. The big event I think where a signup genie has, if it hasn't already been circulated, will be so shortly is looking for volunteers from this committee to help
with the Blackstone 250th celebration summer festival in uh towards the end of July. That will be a huge push to make sure that families that are in attendance get the notification, understand where we are in the project,
where we are in the process, and why it's so important to support this project. And next to it is just some images of the revised flyer. And if you notice, I can't use the pointer on the screen, but what was his name?
>> Captain. Captain has made a an appearance there as well. So, he's the local mascot. Maybe that should be the mascot, but Captain always seems to find his way on the flyers as well.
Um, does anybody else from the community engagement working group want to add? Did I cover it all? Touch upon it? So, we have been busy and our efforts will intensify as the summer months ramp up.
With that, I open it up for public forum if there's any online or there's no one here in person. >> How long you think before we see like a 3D >> rendering? Maybe not a model cuz it would be more of a rendering. It's just
a video that something you could put in >> and play and play and play uh at the entrance to the town meeting >> as well as some of these other things. So, >> so with that, since the town meeting is coming up, we're going to be very busy at that time frame. I'm speaking for the
DRRA team. Sorry about that. But, you know, the town meeting is quickly approaching and we're getting ready for the MSBA submission package as well as doing the reconciliation with the cost estimators to make sure that we have a
good handle and a grasp on the cost for the project cuz that will be crucial in our conversations with >> MS. This is probably one of the last times you're going to have like you'll have a captive audience. School is still in. Yep. >> Yes. She'll probably pick some up at the 250th, but this is when you know
>> Yep. At the um at the Millville meeting, we had the boards up. Jill and Scott brought the boards and we had the current We'll have the most updated flyer. Again, we had a a frequently asked questions thing. We did have people stop and talk to us. So, we'll have we will definitely have people
there. I mean, >> no, we don't have a model, but we have the boards and yeah, >> people looked closely at them. We may have some still images. They may not be colored because we're still, you know, working on that, but we can give some sketches because we need to do them for
the um for that submission anyway. So, we'll we're actually working on those currently because they need to be in that in that package >> and then eventually we'll have we'll be able to walk through the building and and show you what it looks like, right? >> And to time frame that working on the SD
submission is end of June as compared to end of May, >> right? So, um, >> yeah, but what I'm saying is when school gets out, you know, it's a free-for-all. Then you might not get their attention until September, >> right? >> You know, you're already the the die is
probably cast at that point. And there's expectations when they have to saddle up and put their uh approval on a probably the most >> Yep. >> expensive capital project these two towns have ever antic, you know, took took upon themselves.
>> Agreed. Okay. And seeing no public comments, we also identified the next two meetings and the topics that we'll most likely be bringing forward, not only for the June
10th meeting. Will it be the cost estimate review? That will be the bulk of it. But we'll also give you a guideline of what to expect and what the SD submission package to the MSBA uh will be incorporating. And on June 17th,
the in June, we are asking for two meetings. The June 17th one can be a potential virtual meeting as well. Um, but we would be seeking approval for the SD submission and for us to submit on
your behalf to the MSBA. So, uh, if any meeting that one could be potentially a virtual one, but the June 10th one will be a nice comparison from the previous cost estimate to the current cost
estimate where we are and as well as understanding what is being submitted as part of the larger schematic design package to the MSBA. >> Thank you. Any other questions before we kind of >> Yes. So, do we need to vote Mark as a
team member? >> Um, I believe we do, especially in Christina's absence, just for a temporary basis. Don't worry, Christina will be back, but in the interm, I'm trying to convince Mark to stay on, too. >> So, if we vote him in, he doesn't get a
choice. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> So, would it be a motion for like an interim project manager? >> Yes, please. Um, I'd make a motion to approve Mark, I'm sorry, last name. >> Greoran, um, as our interim project manager for Collier.
>> Second. >> Um, any discussion? All right. All in favor by roll call. Carrie, >> yes. >> Tara, yes. Scott, >> yes. >> Jill, yes. >> Mike, Sarah, >> yes. >> Jane, yes. >> Jill. Face, >> yes. Yes,
>> Mary. >> Yes. >> Rachel, >> yes. >> And Chuck, >> yes. >> Great. All right. Thanks everyone. Thank you everyone. And even though you voted Mark in, you're still stuck with me. So
sorry for you. And with that, that's all we had to present tonight. >> Thank you everyone. >> Thank you. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. Second by Carrie. All in favor by roll call. Carrie, >> yes. >> Sarah, yes. Scott,
>> yes. >> Jill, yes. Mike, >> Sarah, >> Jane, >> Jill, >> yes. >> Mary, >> yes. >> Rachel, >> yes. >> And Chuck, >> yes. >> Thanks everybody. Have a great night.
Thank you.