Our meeting is open and we are being recorded. >> Okay, so >> here we go. >> Hi, Greg. >> Hi. Hi, Cara.
>> Finally, she says finally. Yay. >> All right, so we have meeting minutes from October 27th. >> Lots of motions. Everyone's let in that wants to be here. Oh man, every single time. Why don't I
just leave here? It's all right. As long as it's about this far away. Oh, thank you. >> I mine are I don't know if mine are kept.
Oh, that works. Thank you. You're good. I'm always wait till you're my age. I just had a spelling error that I circled. >> Thank you. >> Is it on the um >> on the final? There's
>> no signature page. >> Yeah. No, it's not. Okay. Just replace. >> It's just Doris's last name. What was the mistake? Um, jello. There's a W. It says Jerlo. >> Oh, okay. I was going to say I did
editor on it and it didn't show it. >> You know why? Because so it's gonna just say, "Oh, it must be someone's name. It's a difficult Those are difficult notes for me to do for someone. >> This was Yeah, it was a lot going on. Scattered. I just read the word poop and
then that wasn't poop. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Uh motion to approve the meeting minutes of October 27th. >> Any discussion? >> No.
>> All in favor? >> I All right. So, um the tax classification um hearing is postponed until the 8th because we did not have all the information we needed to hold it today.
78 our next meeting. Um action items wish to approve warrant 11 accounts payable and wired payments um as well as warrant 11 payroll. >> Second. >> All right, let's take a look at these
here. I'll give you one. Okay, payroll swap here. You want to use that? Look at that one. That's just a wired one. It seems here. >> Thank you. Thank you. is Ray coming.
Okay. So that's why All right. Um, all in favor >> I signed all of these. >> All right. New business. We've got resignation of Sue Melo, tax
collector. Um, so Sue has been with us for several years now. >> Six, maybe >> six years. six. Yes. >> Um, so she's been an awesome asset in there. Um, she I ran into her the other
day. TJ Maxx, she say she's ready to retire. She's ready to to move on. >> Joy. >> Um, so I appreciate all the stuff she put for us. >> I'll get a card for her on her last day. I'll just bring in a little mini cake. Thank you. Appreciate it.
>> So motion to accept the resignation of St. Melo effective December 18th. Second. >> Any discussion? >> No. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> All right. So, we've got some um you wanted to talk about the pilot program,
the um benefits of the pilot programs, the solar. >> Well, it's it's come up a number of times want to know. Yeah. >> Right. And it was discussed at the town meeting, but it didn't go into, you know, Dave's numbers are flat on
set. So what I thought I'd do is just for us right before anybody else >> share and um so after gathering all the information so basically when you look at land sun this is around 81,000
>> I don't even know is 779 >> northford road solar is 274 the belure is 141 >> okay Springfield water is 220 24 and
then Eversource substation is 300 which is substantial. Um so the total annual impact from all the projects that are going on today is around $780,000. >> Yes. >> That we'll get.
>> Okay. I talked at one point with Dave and I talked to Harold and I said what does that really mean? Right. when it comes to impact to our residents. And so if you were to assume the average home is 328,000. Yeah.
>> Okay. That's that's basically what the assessor say that the average home is with that 800 with that let's let's say 780 for every $200,000 that could collect okay in revenue from
a project that's $200 less that you have to charge the res. Okay. Okay. So if your house is 384, it's going to be around 200. And it's not exact science, but let's just say that's what it kind of amounts to, right? In the ballpark.
So if you if your home is worth a lot more than that, you're going to pay more. Your home is worth less than that, you're going to pay less. But kind of do a estimate as to what the impact. And I validated that with um Carol as well.
But um and I felt it's important you know to see that you know and I know the town doesn't want to go there because they don't want to talk about they're that interest related how much money will they get off projects and that's not why I'm doing it. >> I just wanted to convey
this is the impact it makes personally >> don't do it or you do do it. >> Yeah. >> Right. Um so it comes up. So the 800 we would have an eight additional 800 a year per household that say here
>> we would have right >> right so >> if your house was 300 348 >> so without these re this revenue here yes we would have additionally >> and I think what the the beds the last time
we looked at beds they the last amount I heard were half of the >> oh I thought it was up celebrate. >> So how no the first time they came in it was less than that and then they came in with that
>> but that's not ever the final number. >> I can take it at the end you can go louder can't hear you back it's crazy >> here. I'll put this over this way too. >> Just gonna move this over here. >> Oh good.
Sorry. Um, >> yeah, that's okay. >> Sorry about that. >> Well, thank you for putting that together. >> And it's really um >> Oh, repeat. >> Yeah, those numbers. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Repeat the numbers. Is that from a revenue standpoint on an annual basis, and I don't know the addresses. I don't have that with me, but there's one called Lamford Sun LLC. Annually, we get around 81,000.
The Sincar of Bford LLC get around 78,000. The North Bford road we get around 27,000. The uh Belure which is the cannabis uh operation is 14,000.
Springfield water is 224,000 and Eversource substation they pay us 350 rounded up to 355. So the total is around 7 $180,000 a year. Um, if we didn't have those and we
didn't have another channel to get money, the average increase or the average home, 384 is what we're saying is the average home would have been around $800 for a year. So, you know, I mean, it's just important to have those numbers out
there so people understand it. Um, and we'll track this and kind of keep, you know, people more informed as to this is what occurs. Um, and again, I just wanted to make sure we were all educated on it so we know what what is coming.
>> Um, these figures are um, and >> it could be P. Some of them may be pilots, but most of them are taxes. >> Like >> Yeah. Like Springfield Water I think is a pilot.
>> Yeah. >> The um solar is pilots. >> Yeah. >> Not all of them. >> That's what I No, I don't. I couldn't find. We We looked for all of the uh contracts. Not all of them have pilot programs. Now on a regular tax basis
like balance and that is there like the appreciation as their >> pilot on pilot but on >> no >> the what we really um but you know when
they're not on it a pilot is to our advantage even you know it's definitely our advantage right I mean I've been researching online some pilot opportunities they have basically and this doesn't include by the way any fees or anything that these guys have paid
when they came in this is just strictly what can we depend on >> right >> um so for example with the expansion of every source that's going to go up >> right 354 to something I don't know >> when when and if that happens
>> but I really didn't want to leave it hanging because there are people in the community that really want to know My my question is which of these are pilot for John? >> I have I might be able to help them.
>> I know that Lford sign up on her. >> There may be a couple. I can get that for you. She go through that now with me. No. See, see. So, they know this is this is out of cur. You know, people are
going to ask questions and might as well ask questions now. >> Well, what I should say is I get it for you. So, catherate. >> No, I I understand that. >> Okay. >> Because some of this is is to me is disappoint.
you know, I I I think some of us uh you know, that are paying uh the tax they should be paying, you know, and lower tax. >> Well, and I think, you know, look, I think that this just my observations
looking at the contracts and stuff, we weren't doing that much of it and it wasn't that big of a deal. It is a big deal. >> Yeah. >> Just more and more of it. So we have to learn from what we did in Google, right? Um
as as an example with the u Christina >> I have copies. Okay. So we got a couple notes as I was going through that file pilots. >> So say car as a pilot. >> Well, this is just
>> Yeah. No, that's right. >> Sons of pilot. >> Some of these I mean I'll be honest with some lights. >> Thank there's going to be a sticker but it's not. >> I didn't put a sticker on everything but
they are all individual folders. >> Yes. >> Well, we can get them. Do you want I I'll look through those folders and and I'll try to No rush. >> And then lastly, although it's not
revenue that it is revenue for us, but that revenue goes to water to assist with the payments on the water uh debt, right, and usage. $232,000
a year from service costs. important. The service plazas really mean a lot to us because they bring in some money for us. >> Absolutely. >> Um so again, just want to emphasize, >> will you open the door for Jennifer?
>> Just leave it um cracked so people can get in. >> That was moreformational than the other. >> So folks, yeah, right. >> Excellent. Um I mean maybe once we get
the um organized as to which is pilot which is not sure put this on >> I mean might as well. >> Okay. >> Thank you for doing that. >> Um >> yeah and then we were going to talk
about buy a great idea you wanted to decorate. >> Yeah. I I mean nothing nothing fancy. just put out some garland and some bows and some lights, you know, just stringing along effects. >> And you wanted to use some trust fund to purchase maybe some
>> maybe some rechargeable lights. >> Well, I'm thinking even solar lights. >> Yeah. So that way we don't have to worry about >> worry about batter. >> Yeah. I think for the most part just due to process probably >> that's what I was
I just wanted to say I pretty much know where everything is in this building and the only Christmas decorations or anything else is and since I've been here I don't I've never seen any >> seven years >> there's nothing
>> there's no other decorations in the building to do this so we'll have >> okay so >> I'm happy to take care of that >> if Yeah if you want to um I think we'll have to do it via reimbursement if that's okay with you. Unless you do it at Home Depot. Do you have a home? I >> have I have a Home Depot card that is
taxfree. Otherwise, if you buy somewhere else, we have to get the tax. >> Well, Home Depot. Yeah. You should probably look what you need there. Then, um Joanne can get you the card. >> Yep. >> And the tax card. >> What's the tree lighting date? Is that the night?
>> It's the first Saturday. It's the in December. So I think it's six or seven. >> Oh no, I'm sorry. The tree lighting is a Sunday. The Saturday is the pancake breakfast and all that stuff. So Sunday evenings
>> because I kind of like to do it that day during the day and maybe get volunteers to go out there. I'll go get everything. >> Yes, I can help set up >> wrangle my children. I don't think there's any tracks yet. I think we're in
between seasons, so that would be great. Thank you. >> Um, all right. We don't have any more new business. I've got Highway recognize you. >> Been a long day ahead of them. >> Yeah, sure.
Hey, >> how's everybody doing? Good. >> How are you? Doing >> all right. All right. So, I've got um the first thing I have on here for you is discussing possible grants. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So,
the bridge on Beach Hill that we already had Gil Engineering do the phase one on. Yep. >> Um there's a new grant out, six grants total that uh DOT put out and small
bridge program. We only funded up to 150,000 a year for phase one. Well, we're already done with phase one. >> Yep. >> I talked with Mark up at DOT District One. He was saying that Gil Engineering and DOT is overviewing the chapter 85
paperwork that is submitted from Gil Engineering for the plans for the bridge. >> So Gil is the one that did the plans for us. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> They did the engineering on that and did all the the only thing that we didn't end up doing was the permitting because we did not have the funding for the
construction of the bridge itself. So, it would have been a big burden on the town. But as of right now, uh until January 9th, we have an opportunity to take advantage of the phase two of this grant since we
already have phase one taken care of. Now, phase two covers up to a million dollars in construction. So that would be beneficial if we could end up getting a grant going and apply and set that up
with DOT so that we can end up once they finish conversating engineering and uh Mark up at pick one >> and they end up approving and okaying each other's plan. They're picking at each other's uh plan that they had. So
let them do that. Once Mark calls me, which I already spoke with, I said once everything's okayed and ready to, you know, go, um, let me know and then I'll end up bringing that forward to you guys. >> Do we have any of what it might cost in?
>> Yep. So, for the bridge itself, construction costs would be $595,000 to $700,000. So, we're well under that million dollar grant that we would end up hopefully receiving. So, that would be a win-win for the
town, >> especially since we uh already committed to the beginning part of it. Might as well follow through with it. >> And what kind of a grant is this? Is this like a matching grant? >> Uh it's a small bridge. So, it's a small I do have the information if you guys want to look it over. It's five pages
long. Um you want I just going to pick out the important stuff so we don't have to read all five. >> Okay. Um but the phase two providing the cost and uh covers the cost of construction up to a million dollars. Uh
these phase grants are intended to ensure that the funds are spent efficiently >> throughout the Commonwealth. Um in order to apply for the phase 2 construction grant, municipality must demonstrate a final design completed by Mass DOT
pre-qualified, which is what's happening right now. Camp Gill and D >> uh engine and the engineering firm >> uh through phase one or other funding source. We already paid for it so we don't have to worry about funding for that >> and uh undergo a successful chapter 85
review. So that's what we're waiting for right now. Once uh we get >> okay >> a good review that they're giving us a go-ahad, I would say sign the grant paperwork for the application so I can start my process at my end and try to
snag that money before someone else takes it. Um, we do actually have some uh really needed reasons to get this uh bridge
>> repaired. Um, >> they have a criteria >> and the criteria is high importance, medium, low. Uh, so that road is a key road for
ambulances, fire, which I've witnessed myself because Springfield Waters closed down Cobble Mount Road. They can't access any other way to this side. Um, every winter I have an ambulance behind me on Beach Hill Road at three in the morning because 57 there's an accident
and that's the quickest way to get to Mobile Hospital. >> Okay. >> Is that way, which is sad because they I believe the fire department and the emergency services should have access to go >> through that shortcut. They did, but yeah, it's a longer
>> It is a longer thing and hopefully we can address that this uh winter. Honestly, I'd like to end up uh helping with that. >> Yeah. So, um you would fill out the grant paperwork for Christina to let her know you're filing.
>> So, I have the applications. I would end up I made copies of them. I would end up filling that out once I hear back from Mark D, which I hope is going to be in the next week or two. And then I'll present it to you guys. You can end up looking at all the little notes that are
through it. and then uh hopefully get me a signature and I can start the process with DOT work hand to hand with them. >> Okay. So, you feel confident with the process um uh filing footprint. >> Yeah, >> you're good. Awesome. >> Excellent.
>> Sounds great. >> Um so, that's taken care. >> Any other questions about it? Yeah. The only thing that we'll have to do is figure out once it gets approved, right, the money doesn't come in. We have to
have money sitting there, right, to start the project. Yeah. >> And then the money gets reimbursed, right? So, we have to make sure treasury is involved. >> Yes. >> Every time I end up not every time I put an application in for a chapter 90, the first person even before the select board Yeah.
>> I notify accounting. >> Yeah. I make sure that they know that they're aware that hey this is going to be getting submitted so that when you do see this come in you have an idea why there's money getting passed around. Uh so that's they will be notified. That's
first on my list. >> And treasury. >> Yes. So they they both be notified for that. Just like any chapter 90 program uh South Street you know down here for Russell stage >> same process. Um,
>> no problem. >> Um, I next on my uh list for you, I have requests. >> Yes. The sheets that we filled out, I did not bring them tonight. I wasn't
prepared for capital request. >> I think that here >> there's something in your folder, too. I wasn't exactly sure >> toward the back. >> This is for the grant. That's not >> so right. You had asked in an email
about the roadider, right? You wanted us to move on road crater. >> Yeah. I I just didn't know. I know that when Rainey was here, there was there was supposed to be $50,000 put aside so
that we actually had a Was it 50,000 here? >> Yeah, >> I know. >> No, we did put some >> You guys did put some together and then >> that would have by now we could have bought a brand new grater when he >> set that in place. Um, and I just
>> covered the cost of a >> Yeah, that that would have or at least especially with a trade in, you know, if they would have gave us 50 grand for a trade in on top of >> Okay. >> 250 that that would have got us pretty decent machines, honestly. >> Well, so what we had, just to kind of go
through it again real quick, we had a single drum 8 ton roller 75 >> 84 inch. >> That's a Well, that's that's a used one. Yes. And you were saying something about last time you were here about some money for that.
>> Yep. So, uh, this is another grant that I ended up I dissected all six of them, seeing what we could end up using for Blamford and how it would benefit us. Uh unpaved roads is one of them that we could end
up getting equipment on and the other grant that you end up uh shared streets, but we're not doing a shared program within our town. If it's going to be Blamford's equipment, it's going to be Blamford's equipment. If there's reciprocating uh mutual aid between
towns, okay, that's different. But instead of dicing up the numbers and saying, "Here, you pay this percent, where does it stay?" It just gets confusing. So, I'd rather see the equipment stay in Bford so the town's people see the equipment in town. >> Yeah. >> Uh, so it'd be better if we ended up
doing the unpaved roads grant. >> It specifically addresses dirt roads. Obviously, keywords unpaved. >> Okay. Um so uh >> that one is >> so
this introduction of hold on. So the grant it would be reimburseed. I I seen it right here. >> So reimbursement based program. >> Yes. >> Construction up to a million. Design
grants up to 150,000 >> and uh equipment allocquation allocation of 250k. It's a reimbursement based. I ended up filling out the grant application already. Oh yeah, I gave you the copies. You already have them. I forgot about
that. I jumped ahead last week. I wanted to make sure you guys had that. So hopefully we can get this taken care of. Uh so we're not looking for any extra funding for road materials. We're not building any roads. We're not trying to
improve any roads. Just going after being able to get the equipment for up to the 250. Now, instead of getting a used vehic like used piece of equipment, we can get a nice new roll that would
have a warranty. Uh, it hasn't been driven all over Massachusetts pounding roads all day long. Um, so >> when you were here last said, hey, if you get the money for it, get new, right? >> Exactly. >> Yeah. So, uh, is this when do you want
to bring this back in or are you ready for it to be >> if you wanna if you want to sign this? I'm going to start this week after the snowstorm. Obviously, >> you want to sign this one or no? >> This is the original. I gave copies.
>> You go. >> Thanks. >> How long is that grant available for? Uh that grant is going to be until January 9th. >> Okay. Another one. >> All Yeah, it's all January 9th and then they shift over and they're going to
have a new wave come out. But that's the uh from the 6th to the 9th. >> Okay. >> November 6th. >> Yeah, we should make a motion. Sorry, I was I can't write and sign at the same time for you to approve it. >> Oh yeah.
So motion to um approve the grant application for unpaid road grant uh for unpaid I'm sorry for equipment acquisition uh single drone roller. >> Yep.
>> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> No. >> All in favor? I >> thank you very much. >> Excellent. Thank you. >> So just bring back the other one and That was >> great. Um,
I wanted to touch base with you and see where the background are at. >> So, Mark Boomsma's Yeah, it is. Uh, Mark Boomsma is all done with his uh excavating on the back part of the the building. They got the floor poured. Okay.
>> He has all of his work done. Uh Connor's actually reached out to me today and he said if uh it'd be all right and I said you could over the weekend it's fine but uh tomorrow he's coming and he's going to finish up putting the toilet in and getting the sink all hooked up and then
bringing the pipe up to code for the stink pipe going out of the building. >> Okay. >> So that was good to hear that he's coming because it is getting pulled up. >> So hopefully within the next month we can get rid of the sandy pants. >> Uh as soon as the toilet's sitting there I will tell them to come get
So >> I would hope by by Friday >> that would be really good. >> Sure. The guys will appreciate that. >> Yeah, most definitely. Thank you very much. >> Uh the other uh that uh backflow meter that we ended up
talking about >> last week. >> Yeah, last week I just brought it up. So it the building has failed because the backflow meter is just it's not repairable anymore. >> So that would be one thing that I would just let the select board know to make
sure that every town building is up to date and passing their backflow test. septic. >> No, it's uh to keep contaminated water going into the drinking supply of the town speed
with water on the gun. So, um it's a valve that doesn't let the water back into the the main line. >> So, it's something that we need to replace at the high. >> Yes. So I ended up asking so 14 it was 1450
uh 1400 I think it was400 when I talked to Connor he said that's everything included and also to be up to code to have a rebuild kit right within hands reach of the meter. Uh every every
building should have a rebuild kit >> by law >> within hands reach >> to check. >> Yeah. >> So is that considered an emergency? Is that something we should see? Um well when we have more finance from um the
word I'm looking for the account for an R. >> Oh it's it's thing >> not revolving. >> Oh reserve. Thank you winner from the reserve account. I think that that would qualify. >> Well, this failed and you know
>> any water. >> Well, one thing that Steve did bring up to me is that the EPA is going to start now overseeing these test results. And if the test results aren't coming back passing, >> okay, >> they're shutting water off to any building like right away. There's no
like we'll give you a wee like >> Yeah. >> They shut it down right away. So, >> have to inspect them first. >> So, you got the inspection. >> Uh, you got to ask U failed. >> Yeah, we already failed.
>> But that's the thing. You got to look into Mike Kier, right? >> Yeah. >> He was the one, I believe, that did the testing throughout town. So, you need to communicate with him and get that information or talk to I want to say
Bordy, but I would talk to Steve and just see if there's any other buildings, library, post office, fire, town hall, >> any any building water coming in. >> Exactly. >> Oh, I see.
point. >> Just see if there's any others that need to get repaired. >> And then we'll wait until that answer and then go to finance for revenue. Okay, >> that'd be good. >> Okay. So, we should probably get it on maybe let's put it on the agenda for the
ETH in case we have that information and if not we can table it. So it would be um uh money from revenue from money from reserves >> uh for backflow meters. Let's let's
>> two weeks out. No >> no they're not doing mine yet. Conor ordered the parts last week on the valve. >> So I hope he'll have it. I'm just going to tell them put it in. you know, get it done because
>> the ETH or >> let's try for the ETH and then it um we don't have the information by then. We'll just push it off. >> Yeah. Okay. >> But we'll So, we'll keep that on the agenda to get that. >> Yeah. Because Aaron came in at the same time that Connor was there to do the
inspection of all the work that before Mark backfilled everything. >> Um and he even said the same thing. He said, "Get it done." She's like, that's like number one to get that table. >> Is it easier to do it before the bathroom's done? This is >> No, it's in a separate area. It's
basically like where you have your line coming into your house. You know, that's where your meter is. >> Okay. What else do you Oh, what else do you have for us? >> That is taken care of.
So, I ended up uh putting together a little list. I don't know if you want me to reach out to Mark from what he was with this road bonds.
>> Oh, yeah. >> Ever ending road bond. So yes, it would be better beneficial for the town especially with all these projects. Uh you talked about >> No. Well, Mark Mark sent a Mark sent a
road bond sheet right here, and >> it it was it was a performance bond, which it clearly said in the email were road bonds, which uh Dolores ended up getting me the actual
copy of the road bonds that were put in uh was voted in >> and then retracted. >> Yes. >> So, I wasn't crazy. So glad to hear that. >> No, you weren't. It's right here if you want to look at it. But >> send me I'm like I'm not losing my mind. But
>> so >> did he send us a revised one? >> No, he hasn't sent me anything. So I ended up picking this apart and I ended up picking other towns apart and
I ended up putting this together. I have a copy on my desk. I just want you to end up just looking this over before I end up sending it to Mark because I know time is money in everybody's field. So, >> right, >> I would think that the lawyer probably makes a couple more dollars than I do.
So, instead of having him read that and then Would the uh contractors be taking the pictures? >> No, that would be up to the highway
superintendent. So, >> I definitely agree with the M season. >> I had so many calls. I had the guys put the rest of the signs out all around town on the dirt roads and there are so many calls people saying, "You're closing our roads." >> No. >> No. What they're concerned about, I got
a couple of them, is that the regular, the smaller vehicles are going to think they're not allowed on the road. UPS, >> Amazon, those kinds of things. That's what they're concerned. >> Well, I have to put speed signs up on some of the smaller roads because I'm having FedEx flying down the road doing
60 miles an hour so fast. Even my own my kids, I'm pulling them out of the road. And >> tell the police. >> Yeah, I did. And then he drove down my driveway, ripped the driveway up, and I said, "What are you even doing?" >> Yeah. >> So,
so is this similar to I would have to prepare. Is this You got some of this from the bond that we had put in place and then because we do have a road bond in place. >> Yeah. >> Just only for $2,000. >> Yes.
>> We had voted one in for 50,000. 25,000 >> 25,000 and then retracted it because we weren't sure how to enforce it. So I think that this is part of being really specific about
who's doing what documenting what to make sure um supports. >> Yes. So, >> and what I've what I have ended up uh conversating with other communities and
not even in Massachusetts, even in New York, uh some other superintendants, they said $25,000 per mile is pennies to >> what guys would be uh you know, paying elsewhere. So, you know, and that's the
thing. He ended up giving me a list. One of them I talked to um closing the roads in winter. You got that's an iffy subject. You really can't do that so much. Whenever like logging happens, the
forest are sends directly to conservation and then uh conservation looks it over but then the actual uh the actual permit goes right to the state. It's really it it doesn't Yeah,
they're notifying the town, but it just goes to the state. So really logging. All right. Hopefully they're good loggers that come in town and we can end up working together, which I got to admit since I've been working uh every
single logger that's came through the door has actually introduced themselves, you know, straight with me. >> So I I haven't seen the original document. >> I was just pulling up what Mark sent us.
>> This is right here. Can we just give a feedback? >> Yeah, I go ahead if you want to give a feedback. I was just pulling up the drip general draft that Mark sent which he said the shity bond would be the same performance bond would be the same thing. He's a piece of >> this. This is the one that Mark sent
right here, my left hand. And this is the original >> the town, my right hand. >> This is the one that we voted. Oh, >> and why? >> Because um
Eversource was doing some work. Nope. Springfield Water was doing some work and they came to us saying, "How are we supposed to what do you need us to do before, you know, to get they were going to get the bond, but what do you need us
to do? How do we know that we're going to get our money back? And how are you making sure that, you know, the road condition hasn't any changed?" and we just like didn't have we didn't have the >> answer >> or meaning like how do they know that
the road is going if we claim that they damaged the road? Yeah. >> What is our proof going to be? What is the process for this? How are we um like um tracking the road beforehand and detailing it before? >> Well, I think I think uh answered that
question. photography before >> and then they're punished. >> Yep. And but that you're asking me why we retracted it. So why we retracted it because we went back and forth with attorneys at that point and there was no clear answer as to how we could do that
and ensure that whatever >> sometimes it's simple after those. >> Well, >> when you go to attorneys, they're looking for everything. >> Not when it comes to the state. You also don't want to end up in a legal situation.
>> So would this be an attachment to this? Is that what you're thinking? >> Well, I think you know maybe we need to have these checklists. So you know we're talking about the checklist generated by the department heads. Um >> so so okay so that one you're saying the
contractors would give to us the scope of work for >> just like when any type of contractor comes in to do any type of work in town plumber electrician building like you got to apply for a permit.
So if you don't apply for those permits, yeah, we wouldn't know that they're doing it. But >> the main the main to your point, you got on here, the main thing is you're notified and so is going to come in here to something, right? That to your what
you're doing here, right? You're going to go take pictures of the existing and file it. put it on file some place as they come in and do the work once they get their their signed whatever right from planning going out there do
what checking once they're done or during or >> once once >> once they're done >> obviously you're going to end up seeing what's happened during >> you know but I'm not going to sit there babysitting you know but at the end though definitely that's when >> that's so then you would do that right
and then notify >> I guess us if you're seeing something that well this wasn't done >> right >> mean like something wasn't fixed or they restore rock wall or something like that >> devil's advocate here um if the pictures
aren't dated if there's not proof that you took these pictures before they started so be careful with that as well I think you probably >> good point >> so the last we heard from attorneys it was um they attached General SH bond
that can be used for this purpose. A description of the approval being provided would be included as the obligation which can be modified to support the road issues. This bond would need to be issued by a license shy. I'd be happy to review the draft bond applies as necessary once the obligation
including the the necessity of undertaking repairs stated. So once the obligation including the necessity of undertaking repairs. So it sounds like we still have a little bit more to put together.
>> Say that again. That last sentence >> once the obligation of the so of the contractor including the necessity of undertaking repairs. >> Oh, okay. >> Fixing the edge of the road, making sure that the pavement isn't busted up. They
ended up put pipes in with with forest matting down >> that it's taken back up that it's not left behind. you know that that type of uh things their obligation >> a description of the approval being provided be included as the obligation
>> is that which can be modified issues I don't know exactly what that's >> a description of the approval being provided would be included as the obligation >> so you basically have to have it written
Now of you have your criteria of where whatever project let's not just point towards logging >> but whatever project is coming forward to the town >> scope of sequence they're talking about >> that's what I would think >> so that they know and you know
>> this this and this need to be done before you've received this back release the short bond >> right so it sounds like Mark needs to see the obligation shiny and the underneath
before he's reviewing that. Not sure how >> we that to me that I mean I'm just I don't know the whole thing but to me it sounds like he's saying that should you find an issue should you if we're going through the process right and somebody's in here
doing something we've got whoever's supposed to do that gallery you take your pictures you go back out six months later pictures they're done and everything's great and we release the sh, right? If it's not great, then
that's when you get more involved with all the backup >> or not even having to do that. Just have in the writing that they have a time period to restore whatever surface or whatever condition of the property or is
repaired in a certain amount of time. That's and another thing is you got to look into too is you have to make sure when so the proof of insurance from any type of company
with logging especially it expires after two years >> sometimes it's a headache to end up doing another year add on to it sometimes these logging projects take five years to do so they're only going to apply for a two and then they'll
reapply for another two. Well, guess what? You end up having a twoyear, it's covered. But what if they don't have that insurance? Whatever whenever their certificate is showing proof of expiration, you need we need to make
sure that we say, "Hey, either you're going to collect on your shity bond and close it because you're not going to be out there or you're going to end up extending it. We need proof before it expires." That's another thing. Otherwise, they'll void the contract itself.
>> It sounds like this. So, obviously, this is not part of our next coming special meeting. >> I just wanted to thank you guys. >> So, let's keep this on the list of when we have another if we have another special town meeting this year >> or it'll be voting annual. Um, that's
where it be. And I was just following up with the other emails and she said that uh Mark said that uh as earlier comment was made in the context of implementation specifically what steps the town would take if the company or vendor performed work without following
the proper bonding process. So I think that has to be a part of it. Maybe that's what was missing >> which makes sense. >> And then he said she said um Ray would follow up with council and town clerk work on completing this. So, if you guys
are okay with this, I'll end up sending this out to Mark and saying, "Look, you know, we can end up if you have any, if you want to wait, you can wait. If you want to add any little things in there, >> what projects do you have coming up outside of Frank Water as far as logging?
>> Quite a few. >> That wouldn't be part of this. So, we have to We're not going to do this until we have another special. You're not going to have just a special just >> so you have a project that starts And then you're going to go after
special town meeting, you're going to go and say, "Oh, by the way, you have to have bonding." >> I mean, >> we still have bonding in there. It's the $2,000 bond right now. So, we we do have something in the B. >> One issue that I just want to bring to your attention is I ended up
estimating an amount of asphalt that we're going to use for this year for the chapter 90. We had the amount of footage from certain roads that I chose through the last year to have done. Well, it's came
to my attention that there's going to be some logging on Nybrook Road. Now, Ny Brook Road was going to be one of my projects I was putting together for the spring. I don't know how you feel about it, but
I don't like putting down, >> you know, $600,000 of asphalt labor. Yeah. >> And having five years of next five years of logging on that surface, >> which I understand loggers, they take, you know, some of them actually do care
and they will shore up the road. They will put in drainage so that there's no issues. But the long term, um, I don't mind. But it's just if I'm going to end up having at fault laid in spring, >> I really don't want anybody like they're
talking going out during the summer when it's dry, but then again, it's like I got work to be doing out there. So, >> well, from what I understand on that night project, they're going to be going to Huntington Road to take the lock.
>> That's a different project. >> That's a different project. Blueberry Joe's is going to be logging. Uh Gutas Logging is going to be doing that property. Uh second division. I ended up going with them walking down there. There's old landings down there from
previous logging in the past. instead of coming out by the dump, which was one uh one landing that they ended up proposing. I'd rather not be on that hill right by the dump pulling logs out and having
trucks going in. Now, he said he has about 25 trucks that are going to be running out of there. >> Pull that bridge up the way to the locking truck. >> No, that bridge isn't the bridge isn't there. >> We can't run anything on that bridge is closed. >> Yeah.
did they have enough? >> Yeah, that's what I saw. >> Okay, so um I think that this is clearly very confusing. >> Um so I don't feel like we're ready to do anything with it. >> Um I need to ask Christine a million
questions probably. I feel like she probably has some answers and I think a conversation with Mark would be helpful. Um >> and if you do have that conversation with Mark, if you can please include me on it. That's what I was >> and if it was in person >> that would be maybe even better because
that everybody can like brainstorm. >> Yeah, exactly. >> I think that our next step would be doing that having a conversation where we're all able to be a part of it and that way we can try to come with some understanding as to what we need to do for whatever special.
So, I'm going to put that as my next steps with >> maybe even have a one of our >> Do you need the copy of the bylaws that you have? >> That's the copy that I got. >> I have it digitally.
>> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> No, this is Mark's uh >> Oh, you want this one? >> Yeah. which I could get online. >> Oh, you're right. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. Um, do we have anything else
for Ray? >> All right. Thank you, Ray. Go get some rest before. >> I got a long list of stuff to do. >> Hopefully, I will be sleeping tomorrow. with G will be >> say it Golf
tonight. >> All right. Um, >> one thing I just want to ask. >> Yes. >> Uh, the town policy was approved on October 6, 2025 in the meeting minutes.
>> Which policy? >> Uh, the personnel policy. >> Okay. Uh, I just wanted to ask and the guys weren't even asking when are they going to get a copy of it? >> Oh, I'll have to ask. >> No, that's fine. They they just they I
ended up seeing that and I asked them I said, "Did you guys get anything?" They said, "No." So, that was one question that I bringing to the table from the department and myself. >> Okay. >> Um, the union So, I ended up for the union back pay.
>> Yeah. for myself. I ended up reaching out to >> Roger and I ended up asking, "Look, when am I going to get my money back, you know, from everything?" >> And uh it there was a letter sent out in June
23rd of 25 letting the union know I was not going to be part of the union anymore, taking this position. Um, and Christina signed a drafted letter and sent it to the treasurer for signatures to be forwarded to the union, but the
letter never got to the union. So, instead of me running around and collecting signatures and I was just wondering if we could end up having that same letter signed and sent out to the union again and make sure it gets there
if possible. >> Certified. Yeah, >> it's the mail system terrible that can we send it digitally >> resign. >> I I don't know. >> I It's just stating when I officially was not
>> send letter. >> Okay. >> All right. >> That would be good for Christina. >> Absolutely. >> Well, sorry I had to go unlock a door. Did I miss something that I need to do this week or can I get it off the tape? >> No, I we were just going to um ask
Christina to resend have a sign and then resend the letter to the union about when Ray um >> resigned from the union so that >> um he can get his back pay. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> That's not for me though. >> No, I'll send a note to Christine.
>> Oh, but you did miss um personnel policy. When that's done, if we can send copies to highway, >> you can see I just did October 27. >> Yeah, >> I know. It's a laugh. >> I could take effect. All I got to do is
>> I love to type, too. I love that's one of those projects where I zone out. >> Yeah, good. >> All right. Um, we've got what Christina was gonna talk about was uh an email request from DPU. I think we'll have to
put this on the >> I don't know what it was. >> Yeah, I'll work with her and carry forward. There's there was a couple other things too that she was going to bring. >> And then she had um distribute response from city point.
>> Let me see. I think we got it in the email point. No. We did. >> Yeah, >> I remember seeing it. >> Yeah, I remember seeing request. >> Thank you very much. >> Yep. >> Be safe out there. Be safe out there tomorrow. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Most definitely. >> So, this was the response from >> City Point. So, they gave us the original contract amount for phase one, which was the $138,585, which was phase one pre-esign and phase
two design and bid. Yep. >> So then to date, they had invoiced us 120ish and then what's it the contract remaining was 18,000ish.
But then they've got these amendments of added to the contract amount 101,000 remaining design and bid phase. So I think was that what we were >> right well what there's what they basically the way I read it is that
we're out of money >> right there was $18,000 left >> and they won't continue doing what they signed up for >> without an additional >> what did >> well then we've got this here and this so I'm confused by this says new service
okay so this is what they would bill us correct the 166 >> correct >> would be what they would us that's the construction and close out phase. >> Correct. So this is what we were asking for. >> Correct. >> And but they're saying but you still owe us 83,000.
>> Correct. >> And that's what we were contesting. >> Correct. >> Okay. So if we wanted to go with the same OPM, we would be paying two about 250,000 >> for the completion of the project. >> Correct.
>> Through construction. Yes. So for the completion of the prep >> been starting off new >> I don't know I mean we haven't had great >> that was because of certain people on our board
>> I don't I don't know if that's all I >> I mean I'm glad we're talking about this >> I don't disagree that that was a a situation that was not really led clearly it was dysfunctional We wasted we wasted some time
>> and I don't mean to downplay the work that was done. There was also a lot of work done and I respect that. But I think that it just got to a point where it wasn't progressive. >> Well, it well yeah >> it just got stagnant. So I don't know that it was all
one-sided. I don't I mean personally I haven't been thrilled with these this company as OPM. I mean, you want you're saying you want to stick with them? >> Absolutely. >> Why? >> They Well, first of all, they >> I'm just my
>> my thought >> cuz I was on the board that that selected them. All right. >> They came through. They had great references. When we talked to the people they did work with, they were very pleased with them. >> Yeah. >> Okay. uh everything was going great until we
had a little change there and then things went progressively downhill. Now that is not their fault. That was the in indecision that was happening with the board at the time. All right? There was a lot of argumentives and
you when you're working with the professional people like that, you listen to them. They've been down the road many times before. They don't need a lay person telling them how to do their job, which was what's happening. That that is all on us. It's not on
them. They were the professionals and they were trying to work with us. >> Now, I sat in a lot of those meetings before I left. And I'll tell you, they they were right on the money. And I'll defend them >> and I get that, but can I just give my opinion?
>> Sure. Um, I I think that first of all, when a when a project they signed a contract that said five months, and I get it, they weren't getting what they needed to get through that. We were so we were a
year and a half out. >> Yeah. >> Right. For a fivemon contract. At some point, a real project manager would escalate it >> immediately. How how >> they would come back to the
administrator. They would come back to the administrator and say, "This isn't working. >> We're not getting anywhere." And the administrator at the time, >> that's their job. >> That was I think Oh, Chris. >> And that wasn't that wasn't done. And And then
>> Yes. And >> documented. >> It's Well, it's not documented. So, it wasn't done. >> It So, >> they're the documenters. >> Huh? They're supposed to be the documenters. >> No, we are too. >> No, they >> everything everything the way I
understood it when we talked when we interviewed with the these >> both parties are responsible for what's going on. >> Yeah. >> All right. Now, they documented their stuff. We document it >> and there's where's the comparison?
>> Where's the comparison? I don't see any comparison. All all I know from what >> very few people did notes on that board and I suggest you talk to Paul about it because he was at every single meeting every meeting and he has a lot to say about what happened >> and I don't think that we knew that it
was to this extent until we started to get these bills and Christina started to look at them and say why are they sparking >> someone's attention set them a bill >> well then when we tried to >> deal with those bills we were ignored and then when we went back out we I mean
we Even when I was several times, even when I was sitting in there for that short period of time, Yeah. >> I caught bills coming through where they and I called them. They said, "You weren't even here billing us >> because I was here at that time." And and they go, "Oh, yeah, that was a mistake." Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So, so the other thing happened and look as as a program office manager sitting over that project manager, they would have pushed push push push pushed and said, "What the heck is going on? you are a resource that could be working over here. Why are you even working with
those guys? I'm just really surprised that they didn't escalate somehow. And maybe they did to Chris. I don't know. This thing went beyond five months when Chris was here. I get the whole we were in between TAS, >> but but then again, there were certain
people on the board that were adamantly against this >> and they were they were they >> I I was here a couple of times and and when >> I know >> the the the project was being discussed and all of a sudden we're going back to
this. I mean, you know, I I I defend these people because when we interviewed and when we researched it and that they were the most qualified >> as a resident, I'm kind of ticked off about wasting that much money and them not stepping up and saying, "What's
happening here? We're not getting any >> Keep sending bills. Keep sending bills. Keep sending bills." >> What What do you want? It's their time. >> But we're going to give them another chance to do that is all I'm saying. on your network.
>> I'm not saying that we, you know, I mean, the next time we It's like any project, you have to have a leader in the town that is leading and when things go wrong, >> they escalate it, right? And we didn't have that. >> We did. >> Well, we had a leader, but it wasn't very force. So,
>> so the other part of this is that the project Can we talk about this library thing? >> No. Boundary man. Um but we we need to decide we have a couple of you know we need to decide do we want to go forward
with these guys or not right >> at first I thought yes because I didn't want someone to start all over again but after dealing with the last six months of this I'm really hesitant to >> well this company >> the secondary piece about that is that they're going to put a whole new project
team on this from scratch anyway >> so it's not the same there's Is that what they declare? >> That's what they declare. >> I I haven't seen any corn. >> That's the only thing that I heard from from Christina is that it'll be a whole new project team.
>> And what really happened if you really, you know, this is my observation is that because we weren't doing what we needed to do to move it forward to the endgame, right? >> Yeah. >> They kept putting it a lesser, let's say, qualified project manager on it as
it went on. Well, >> if you look at the beginning, there was one guy that was on it that was fairly senior >> and they pulled him off and said, "Hey, these guys aren't going anywhere >> and they started putting your person." >> I think any business would do that. Even lawyers do.
>> Absolutely. >> I mean, so, but the thing is is that where's our credibility? Who's going to want to do business with Blandford on this project? They're going to charge us more because they know that we're
undecided. >> I mean, OPM, >> your your prices are going to go up. We have proved we're not worthy. >> Well, I don't think that that's factual, right? I think that >> absolutely. >> Oh, I don't that's the case. >> Well, >> I don't think >> we didn't have we we were moving in
between town administrators and we didn't have someone who was fully qualified to be directing that direct it. So that's where we made a mistake and I think that we fixed that going forward. >> I mean we've got an on this other project in the library and they they
didn't hesitate to do this. >> Absolutely not. >> Right. They've got a different project team >> took. >> You want to speak to them and see what their their viewpoint is? >> Yeah, they have been fantastic. >> They've been fantastic. So
>> yeah. >> Okay. throw the ball in their court and we'll just erase $300,000. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, >> no, no, no, no, no. What? >> I don't. We The only thing we have to pay them for is
the build phase of this thing. >> How much has we paid? >> How much has we have we paid them? >> We paid them 12,000. >> The rest of the money went to the engineering team. through the OPM. >> No, no, no, no,
>> no. The engineering team's completely separate. >> What is it? Western, >> right? And they they are abiding by the contract and they're just sticking it out until we figure out what we're doing and they're not going to charge us anymore. >> That's my understanding. I don't that's
my understanding right now. >> I just don't know. I I don't know these guys that well. But you're to your point, you vetted them, >> right? really think it was the >> we have 14 OPM supply. >> I don't know. Whatever we do, we got to do it different.
>> Yeah. >> Well, I I agree. agree >> that the the OPM and the engineer needs to know that they have an ex escalation point and that escalation point is us >> and and and when you and when we pick
one uh vet for the team that's going to work with the OPM, we have to make sure they're all on board. >> You know, we we have to want this to happen. And what happened with the first team was that we had
>> people who wanted it to happen. We had people that didn't want it to happen. >> Yeah. >> And and that that's not a way to make a team. >> No. >> All right. So, let's keep it on the agenda. >> Yeah. >> Let's see what Christina has to say um
about this and see if we can talk about that other piece. >> Yeah. >> Um for next week. So, just keep it on the agenda for old business. Joanne. Nope. Eric. We're not ready to launch project. >> Yes. After the meeting.
>> Well, there are there are Well, we're not ready because we're not fulfilling on our obligation to get it ready, you know. I mean, we have a property that needs to be followed up on because we we
can get it at a good price. It would be ideal for both uh the fire department and the highway department. if if we pursue this and we're not. And it's not Christina's fault.
You know, it's us. We're the board. >> What do you want to do? >> Well, I I want to pursue the property between 23 and North Lambert Road. I want to I want to get that uh
feasibility study done to find out if it's it's going to be worth it. and uh the fire chief and I both walked the property a couple of times and uh if it's an ideal location, but if we're
going to start with an OPM team, we don't have any location and what's the point? >> Well, let's continue. Let's keep going here. This the discussion that we're having. The engineering team is the one that's going to do the feasibility study, not the OPM, right? So, the OPM
is kind of like wait, >> right? They're going to wait until we have the study done. >> I thought we we said there was enough money left to do the feasibility study. >> We did. >> Correct. >> Christina, >> right? So, it's just if the money is sitting there, there's nothing that
stops >> West whatever they are to go and do that feasibility study. >> Correct. >> So, let's put that make sure that's on the agenda too. Joanne is the um >> So, why isn't it done? >> Sorry. uh the next step for Weston Samson doing the feasibility study on
the the other property, right? >> Did you need me to read this or was this read last week? >> The Thank you. >> You need to read that. >> Oh, I agree. Did you guys read it? >> I did read it. I did finish it last week. >> She's just looking for feedback on what we
>> Oh, do you need me to read it out loud? >> Yes. >> That's what I was thinking. >> Okay. >> All right. So, I think we've got everything on our agenda. Yep. >> Um where Christina is sick, so we need to not work her so awfully hard. Um >> the test. >> Yes. Um
>> you just say yes. >> Yes. So motion to I don't even know if we need to approve it. >> No. No. >> All right. So I'll read that aloud. Um go ahead, George, if you had something. >> I have two quick things for you tonight. Um just picking up on your confusion
about proceeding with the Southern Project. Um, I emailed the board a couple weeks ago regarding Bsentennial Park putting away the hose, putting away the leftover rail, uh, so that they'd be available in the future. I noticed today
that the the hose is still hanging there frozen, almost frozen, and the rail is still there. This is a typical example on a small scale what you folks just got finished discussing on a large scale but you don't have a project manager to take
care of things that follow through. Um that hose was a fairly expensive one because I bought it um with the what was left of the grant money from Home Depot and it was bought with the idea that it would last several years and be taken care of. Um so it needs to be put away.
We're going to have snow tomorrow and the rail is still there and that needs to be put away there. I don't know what happened to the uh um timer that was on the end of the hose whether somebody took that, stole it, put it away or whatever, but it's not didn't appear to
be there. So, that situation uh is again a typical example of this who's doing what to whom and following through. Mhm. >> My other um issue tonight is to give you copies of this. Um over the past weekend, I had a chance to meet an
architect from Boston who works with a lot of small towns in the eastern part of the state and he said, "We got talking about the need for fire house and the highway department and uh some other things here in town." and
he asked me if we were supporting this bill and I said I don't know anything about it and he said I'll I'll I'll email you the information. So today he sent me this and give that to Christina. >> Um and he sent me this information and I
thought it was quite interesting. I I haven't been part obviously of all the work that you guys have done so far, but I think there needs to be if this is um important in terms of getting funding, we need to get a group together here in town to start lobbying for this so that
maybe in two or three years this will be in place and we can get the money out with at least part of the money we need. So those are the two things I want to bring to your attention today. >> Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it. Do I have a response in terms of the hose?
>> Yes, I I I responded to you that I would take care of it and then I got caught up in other things and >> so >> I'll get it done. I'll get it done tomorrow morning. >> All right. >> I hate to see everyone. >> I just went over there and you know I
went and took it off. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But it got to be drained. So does anybody know where the >> But the thing was still still there. Anybody know where the timer is? >> Timer was still there. >> Okay. I didn't see it today, so I didn't.
>> All right. So, I have a letter to read um dated today uh to the ad hoc advisory committee and climate leader from the select board. Um, so it says, "On behalf of the Blford
Select Board, we would like to extend our sincere appreciation to the members of the Ad Hoc Advisory Committee on Climate Leader Community Designation, Paul Derska, Chuck Benson, and Deborah Lundren. The time, effort, and dedication that they have devoted to this committee has been exceptional.
Their thoughtful work, thorough analysis, and commitment to the well-being and future of our town have been evident throughout the entire process. each member of the select board has received and will review further the final presentation you prepared. We want you to know that we will be discussing your findings with the same care effort
and consideration that you invested in developing them. The clarity and organization of your work will be of great value as we move forward in evaluating the opportunities before us. With this letter, the board would also like to formally thank you for your service and relieve you of your duties on the committee. The positive example you have set by stepping forward,
volunteering your time and contributing for the benefit of the community is commendable. Lamper could not have operated without residents who are willing to give of themselves in this way. We hope you will consider participating in the future committees or initiatives as they arise. Thank you for everything you have contributed. So
this will go to um each member um of that committee. >> We'll follow through on that tomorrow. >> Thank you. All right. I think we're good. Good. >> Call it uh 7. Oh, sorry. Did you have
some? >> Yes, I did. Sorry. >> I was just waiting. Um I understand there's going to be anformational meeting tomorrow discussing the uh library. >> What time and where? >> 5:00. >> 5:00. >> Is that open?
>> Open meeting. >> Yes, absolutely. >> No. >> All right. >> Yes, please. Meeting is adjourned at seven. Oh, did you have something else? Sorry. >> I just want to thank Jackie for the information she presented to us.
>> Yes. I I was really glad to hear that. >> Very helpful. >> 720. Thank you. 7:20. All right. Um, did we sign everything here? I signed it over. This is um the
worst being recorded. So, I'll wait. >> I want to thank everybody for that. cars and I greatly appreciate it. >> Who is that? I didn't get who that letter was