Anything else? >> You need anything else? >> No, thank you. >> Wait for Yes. Rockstar. You made this. Rockstar. Did you get the sign sheets? >> Yes. Thank you.
>> The sign sheets. I didn't find them. >> Yes. Super ready. It's recording. You're not going to do these. >> Huh? >> Sure. We We'll wait on this. >> Yes.
>> Okay. I motion that we open the meeting. >> Third. >> Okay. First thing that we're going to do, we'll get a I move that we uh both phone reviewing the minutes and
approving the minutes so we can deal with uh Mr. Kelly. Uh there a second on that second >> favor. I >> I coffee. >> Okay.
>> So, Jim, um you call up here. Sure. We get this done for my neighbor build this pool and part of my landing with this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He said if you just straighten it out with him.
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's going to pay me 1,500. I I probably incurred double that. >> Really? >> Well, with the surveyors and the lawyer and >> I just want to straighten it out. >> You get you get to swim in the pool. >> No.
>> Oh, that's that's good part of the deal. >> There you go. >> Okay. I believe we have all the the paperwork here. Um the checks, two checks, $35 each.
Um, we we actually have Jim had actually done this um some of it twice. >> Yeah. >> But he didn't he didn't I don't think he had everything the first time. >> Yeah. You needed more copies.
>> Yeah. And you got to look back. They sent a whole another setup. >> Yep. when we have a host here. But you guys should be two of the
>> Yeah. And those look at >> Yeah. I've already This is the This this one Jim, you can get the way.
>> Yeah, I think I still have enough plenty of frontage. It's not cutting any frontage out. It's just I don't know what it looks like. >> It's 4.5 I think it's 4.5 acres. So, >> it's well over the two. I guess >> it's got his 300 ft of frontage which is
um required. So, everything there just taking a little bite out of the the side of it there. >> Yeah. He's the neighbor. Unfortunately, we put out a swims
for Jim to Sharon, but he's >> so you're not you're not slicing out for you cuz you're just that little section. Y >> I don't even know how much it is. Not a lot.
Okay. It's an above ground pool, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it ended up cost to move it. >> Well, I don't know. He didn't see didn't sound like he wanted to move it, but
>> of course not. He likes it. >> No, but it's not further. So, >> yeah. Any further discussion? >> Yeah. >> Any further discussion? >> Everything we need? >> No. I make a motion that we approve the
lot split for Mr. Kelly. Second >> favor. I >> I >> Yeah. And if everybody wants to get back up and sign. >> Yeah. >> Got here for >> we got right here. >> One thing.
>> Yeah. sign a copy for >> Yeah, we we end up signing it all, but he needs the model and he needs to bring it to the >> No, the town. >> Okay. >> She has to sign off.
[Music] >> So, she keeps the myar. No, you bring it to the register. >> Got it. >> You just ask a sign off. >> Yes, because there's got 20 days or something like that
before she >> is she? >> Yep. I saw her this morning. So, >> yeah. Okay. >> It's kind of hard because she's in and out. >> Sure. >> What you want regular?
>> Yeah. But for the other one just >> now we got to sign 3,000 copies. >> That'll get you out of here. And we need to have the copy of his form that he sent for he sent.
Sorry, you know, she needs to >> sign that and you myar. >> She's supposed to send us a copy, but >> okay. >> Unless we follow up, it doesn't happen. So you just
wait for that to get a bottle there. That was given to me by a very special person. >> That's right. >> Just a few. >> Well, just the two for now. We'll >> from over there.
>> Yeah. Came out of the book. >> Okay. Can we do >> um your address? Yeah. >> Sleep. I wasn't sure it was sleepy or We probably have people waiting to get
into. It's not anything twice. Oh, all right. Joan's usually so good at this. Trust her.
There's people here waiting to get in. Yep. >> Okay. Do I have to bring that to her? The town or you um you can >> He brings those to >> Okay. Um >> and now we should put a sticky on that
to say that's going to keep this one. >> Okay. Yep. Do >> you want me to go get Joanne? And he takes just a mile copy. >> He his copy goes to the registry of of land deeds um and H.
So he takes that to there. You want me to get Joanne? >> Get that one and we'll sign one, right? >> Yes. Perfect. >> And that. >> Okay. Give it to the town clerk. >> You're all set with the checks. I don't
have to give those to her. We Yeah, we'll take care of that. >> Okay, very good. Thank you. >> So, do we keep one copy of that transmitter form? Um, >> yeah. >> Yeah, I've got one in that one. >> Yeah. And what happens to all these other copies? Just out of curiosity, you
keep >> they go to the various boards. >> Oh, yes. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you. >> You're very welcome. Have a good day. You too. Thing does not want to work. Why should I not plug in?
>> Uh well, it was working fine last night. >> Did it pop the uh >> breaker power strip? >> Never had it before. >> I plugged in my laptop so it went
I plugged in. I know nothing about. >> No, I guess it's plugged into it, too. It's working. >> That's good. >> The light is green. >> Okay. >> I don't see anything there. That's
>> on. Okay. My laptop's freaking >> seems like it's off right now, right? >> All right. Now, I'm supposed to push it twice to turn it on. >> There it goes. >> But it was on.
>> Could be the [ __ ] >> Um >> Well, that's and they can still hear you. >> Yes. So maybe just tell tell the audience, have somebody sit and let people in up here and tell the audience you just have no picture, but they can
they can talk. All right, guys. So don't ask them anything else. Um, okay. Everybody's in. No, >> not >> No, she was like I don't know why that says not joined. I
had never seen that before. But when they come in right there that says >> what? It just says ask. They're all in here. >> They're all in. I don't I've never seen that before. I don't know what that is.
I don't see her coming, but is she response. So, you're good at the moment. And if you just talk to your audience and tell them they can hear you, I think. Um, >> should we mute them?
>> Should we unmute everybody and so that they can at least speak? >> Yes. having trouble with the video, guys. Uh bulb must have burned out. Um so everybody >> we can hear you okay in the audience.
Just no video which is fine. >> Okay. Um, so I guess you just have to keep track of people in pop up here once in a while and see [Music] >> here.
Yeah, we'll have to sign off on all the other copies of the forms that we do the distribution. >> Yeah, let's just keep moving on those together. So we finished Jim Kelly's last place.
Let's uh move on to review position decision process for so that's going to that's going to take us some >> Yeah.
kind of closer work. But let's move on to review the subdivision uh submission plans for 89 Chester Road and Huntington Road solar projects.
Um I we take a look at those, do a short review, see if everything's here. U review them. individually and talk about it and any any questions that we have. I
think we go over the next week or two. We're not going to be able to get look look at all this stuff today and review the whole thing and study it with as much as we do. So,
uh, and those are in the other room, but I didn't burn my helping her. Good for Andrew and Chris. We're going to
take a look at this stuff. Uh we're not going to do a full review today. It's going to take some time. So um we'll take a a look at it, make sure everything's there. And uh if we have any immediate
questions, we'll address those right now today. If not, we will um definitely in invite you back to our next meeting. Uh, Andrew Ham, Weston Samson. Greg,
that sounds good. Do you have an indication? I know you guys have the vote coming up and it seemed like we're I think I saw on the agenda that it's the regular planning board meeting is postponed just for coverage on our end. Do you have any indication when you're thinking
for that meeting? Um, I I'm thinking with it, uh, I'd like to meet We got a lot of work to do. So, I'm I'm hoping if we uh all agree on the planning board to a date, I'm hoping we
get together uh two weeks from today possibly. That's what I'm thinking. >> The hearing was to be >> the hearing on the 17th of November. days from now.
>> Yeah. So, >> if we could possibly do it earlier, then we'll do it. But we we need to discuss that with the planning board first so we could all be here. >> Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. Just
wanted a loose indication so we can kind of plan around that. Thank you. >> Okay. You're welcome. All right, let's spread this stuff out here and take a look at what we got. Yeah, that's probably Yeah. So your thought
copies and >> Well, they're all horizontal. We can't really hang them. You can see Is there other paperwork that came with us? >> Yeah.
>> Looks like they changed the access world for a different print. >> Yep. So they submitting one, two, three. >> One, two, three, I believe. But
oh, this is a lot. Yeah, >> that's a different lock, too. >> We're breaking it into three now. And that's after the cutway. What what do we see first? >> Three separate lots of one of 19.4
which is going to be 2.96 acres. 19.5 is going to be 24.73 and 19.3 is going to be 6.22. 223. >> Yeah.
>> And then 19.3 is going to be 86.22. What was that? Sorry. >> What's that? >> The ones >> 19.3 6.22 >> 19 19.4 4 2.96
access was over here. >> Huge change. >> If I can chime in, Mr. Chair, I I believe if we're discussing 89 Chester Road, is that correct? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, the difference I think you're
talking about is the access road for the proposed solar, which is separate from this. This access road moved to be in compliance with section seven of the subdivision bylaw for residential lots. um we had to move it because of the
grades required to incorporate sidewalks, curbing, embankments, um etc. from a technical standpoint. >> Okay, >> that's moving access. >> That's moving access to the solar field
as well. >> This is a separate submission from the solar. um if I can propose thinking of those two submissions as separate um while the town thinks about the solar decision um and their next steps with
that. This would be for the preliminary plan for a subdivision for residential. Um so these are kind of two separate things. It would not move access for a separate project. But for the purpose of this preliminary plan, if residential
lots were to be built here, this is how we would have to put the road into the site to comply with the subdivision bylaw that the town has. >> I understand that. But >> which proposed lot is being submitted
for subdivision? >> Uh lot 19.1. as currently exists 19.1. It's on sheet C 101, the key plan for the site.
Just let me know when you're looking at that. >> That it right there. >> What was that? Sheet C. You said >> yes. C for Charlie. 101 titled key plan >> 101.
>> But which proposed lot would be for the residential? 19.3. >> Correct. 19.3 and 19.5 as designated proposed lot of area 6.22 and 24.73
acres. >> Okay. >> There is a third proposed lot that already has an existing building that is Lloyd's home. >> Um it's the more trapezoid looking lot to what would be the north of the site. >> 19.4.
>> Yeah. >> Correct. Yeah. Yes. >> Separating out >> here. >> Yeah. >> A lot here. >> Mhm. >> This whole thing. >> Yeah. >> In the back window.
>> One, two, three. That's >> that's an existing. >> Yeah. Another property. >> Property. Yeah. >> Okay. I'm just wondering. Yeah. Okay. Just this has got nothing to
do with the solid. It's just a lot split. >> Yeah. >> Is this a a contingency plan for the solar or um why why is this?
>> I can't really speak to it from Blue Wave's standpoint. Mr. Chair, um they asked us to prepare this. I I believe it would be um but I I can't speak to it. I can certainly pull them in if you would like to ask them. I I can try and pull
Aaron in who was at the meeting the other night. >> I I can ask um the lot owner Lloyd um can you give us some insight on this? uh at this time. No. Um >> according to um
I'm not sure how this plan came about. >> Okay. However, when I first saw it, the per test location and the proposed road that's moved uphill was moved further south rather than where it is today. I
had mentioned to conservation saying, wouldn't it be a lot easier to put a road further south than alongside of 87, >> which is an uphill climb? and then they're worrying about water
wash out and everything else. If it's further south, you don't have to worry about the wash out when water either way you really have to worry about water washing up. But it'll make more sense if the road was further
south. Another another issue would be is the plan is how do you hide protect the view on the plans? There are
five poles. Andrew, correct me if I'm wrong, but there are five telephone poles that basically would run alongside their proposed driveway, current driveway. If those poles were moved to the south
alongside the tower property as a driver coming from Bford to Chester, you would have gone by the poles and not see them at all. However, if you're going from Chester to Blandford, those
poles be blended in with the maple trees in the background and it really wouldn't obscure the uh make the view worse. I mean, you really wouldn't notice it that much, especially with the trees and the leaves are going on everything else.
Those poles will be shorter than the row of maple trees that are along the edge of the tower property now. >> But that's I do not know >> um what they have in planned for that.
So, is this proposal in lie of no solar field being built? >> I guess I'm I'm confused on why the board is even reviewing this if we have a current project in front of us. >> I can't answer that.
>> They fell out of what's going on be >> Andrew. What What do you know about this um to address those questions? can't speak only. >> I Lloyd was cutting a little bit in and out there. Um I think just from
potential distance to the mic, but yes, I believe Lloyd mentioned the pole lineup first for the solar facility is five poles. Um that is of course separate from this. And to my knowledge,
this is just kind of what Blue asked us to prepare um in the event that something changes with the solar. Um I I'm not too privy of it outside of that other than being directed to prepare it and submit it to you folks as a
preliminary plan for subdivision. Greg, I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm happy to try and pull Blue Wave in if you would like me to. Um I I think at some point we're going to have to hear from from Blue Wave as >> I think we could consider it. Yes.
>> Yeah. I I think you know until we get more answers I we're we need we need to come up with more questions on this and get some more answers before we even consider it. >> Who's the land owner? Who's the who's
submitting this? Who who who's Yeah. Who who's submitting this? Uh >> do we have a form? Did the form? >> Yeah. So, >> just to I I'll chime in, Greg. It's the
the applicant in this case for the subdivision is the same. It's People's Brook LLC doing business as Blue Wave um or vice versa. The land owner is still Lloyd, I believe. And that should both be on the form B um that was submitted.
>> Okay. >> B >> Andrew Andrew made form B. >> I I got that, but I want to see what he wrote on it. Boost the actual applicant. Excellent.
And I just can't see it, Ed. I believe that's you talking, but it is the applicants listed under um the form B that we submitted less than Samson. >> Um it's about halfway down. >> We were looking for the form B. We
didn't have it with the with the >> found it here. No. Um, and Mr. Chair, I am going to ask Blue Wave if they can drop in um, just while we're discussing if anything else comes up, but I will ask them to join.
So, you are able to get the questions answered you want today. >> Yeah, you can you can have them join. I don't know if we'll get all the questions answered today because we're gonna we're gonna have to look at it more. I'm sure we're gonna have more questions, but
if Blue can drop in and answer our initial questions as the >> name is a property of William Mary, so they don't need it. selfis >> and Mr. Mr. Chair, on um that same C101
page, in case if you need it, all of that info as to the record owner, the applicant, subdivider, and engineer is listed in the top right corner of the plans under notes. It's the first one, two, and three. That way, you don't have to scan all over the plan for who owns
what and who's applying, etc. >> You say that and that's on the plan. >> Yeah, but we wouldn't. We need signed documents. Yeah, we but we need the applications soon. So that's the form date, but we got a lot more forms that need to go in
there. But if they don't own the property, did you get a hold of Blue Wave, Andrew? Uh they should be joining shortly. I'm just going to go off mic to make a call as well while email goes through the void and back again.
>> Okay, we'll we'll continue to look at this stuff. >> Oh, good morning. >> Yes. on the application. It's Peelesbrook LLC. So they but they don't bold the deed, do they?
>> No, not at this time. >> So in order to think it in order to even apply for subdivision, it would have to be from the person who owns the deed to the land.
Both my signature and Mary's signature was on a release form for them to do so. >> Oh, >> that was included. There was that didn't have a
release for they signed on for I don't There are additional forms that body. You remember I was told to think You want you getting perk type test done
on this on this these flats. >> Four of them are done. >> They're done already. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> in October. >> Three. Yeah. Three and four. Three of the four pass. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> The fourth one probably would have
passed if we just moved it over 50 ft. But that's Greg. I did get a hold of Aaron. Um he's going to be joining shortly. You should you should see somebody asking to join the meeting in a minute here. >> It is ready. >> Okay.
>> Anything else I can help from a technical standpoint looking at the plans in front of you? Well, one one question we were just discussing um a now
the owner of the deed is uh Lloyd and Mary Martin. Um have they transferred deed to what what was what you authorized um Lloyd >> to apply for the subdivision? I believe
that's what it was. just release forms >> release form >> or release form but I don't see anything like that in in these forms that you have been submitted >> that would be the form B application for
approval for pre preliminary plan um just to the town initially to review and determine if a definitive plan and what needs to be submitted with the definitive plan in the second step the initial is that on behalf of the land
owner, the applicant, Peelesbrook is applying um to subdivide the land and the preliminary plan is for the town to review and look at and determine if it meets the subdivision bylaw so that definitive plan can be filed with the
town as the second step. But the release would be that form B um which is the quote unquote additional names and signatures as there is more than one owner listed on the record deed. It's Lloyd and Mary I believe and Lloyd
you can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's the deed that we found. >> You're correct. I still don't see anything saying statement a release of from white and Mary.
>> This is preliminary. So that may be there's additional forms. There's forms A through K. Here's Chris. Andrew, is there another form that you would use for that? >> It's ones that we we would prepare.
>> Oh, >> yeah. I believe that would come as part of a definitive plan, Edna. Correct. The form B is just the initial submission for the quote unquote preliminary plan. Um, and then the rest of the forms come
with a bigger package, I think, is how I would put it, Greg. In terms of, um, you have more, for lack of a better phrase, definition on a definitive subdivision plan than you do with the preliminary. The preliminary just lets the town review what's initially proposed and
then you go to definitive where you start showing contours and all of that fun stuff as well. >> Is Chris Orion um on board here or no? >> Yeah, I'm here. >> Hi, Chris.
>> Hello. >> Um Chris, we'll be with you in a second. >> Okay. Andrew, any any indication how long it's going to take Blue to come on? We'll move on. We'll move on and to deal with Chris if
>> Yeah, if you if you want to do that. Aaron said he would be on in a minute, but >> I guess a minute's a little different for everyone. I apologize, Greg. >> Okay, we're going to move on to look at the other one. >> Okay, >> let us know when uh Aaron comes on. He's
probably going to have to wait a little bit. We'll have questions since you hear Can you hear us? >> I can a little. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. >> Thanks. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's good. >> Well, now we have Aaron. Do we want to go back? >> Yeah. All right. Chris, we're just going to go back a minute. We just need a
couple we and then we'll have these questions answered on >> with the people's broke thing and then we'll >> so uh
the the first I guess the the biggest question right now is the you know maybe maybe Andrew answered But I like I'd like to hear it from you. So
in the form B, the applicant is People's Brook LLC and um the owner of the property is still Lloyd and Mary Martin.
So um what's the procedure from here for and Did U and Mary sign this over to Peeles Brook? >> I'm sorry, I'm not following the question. Could you say that again? >> So, the applicant on form B is
Peelesbrook LLC. Um because that the owners of the property are Lloyd and Mary Brook LLC. How does that represent the owners of the property?
the the applicant of the project and the intended use of the land is People's Brook and we have consent from the owners who signed as as such
for both projects. So this is preliminary and we need a round table follows to look at the submission and
we'll have further forms for them to fill out. I don't know what else we can do. This is preliminary for our perusal at this point. >> Yeah. and um we'll look at it and get back to us.
>> So a motion that would take a look at this and with uh table with other boards and see what other requirements are needed and we'll get back to you on that. >> Can I ask another question? Aaron's with
Blue Wave, right? >> Yes. Yes. >> Erin, I have a question. Is this residential subdivision being proposed in the event that the solar project is not going through? >> No, the subdivision is proposed
specifically for the solar project. We we generally for both projects, it's the case that we don't want the house to be on the parcel of the solar project. So there
there's uh desire from the land owners to subdivide >> and and in the C101 plans, can you tell me where the solar field would be? I'm just I'm I'm trying to wrap my brain around it because there's a subdivision
all of a sudden and I'm just trying to understand what I'm looking at. >> Right. Yeah. have a subdivision plans. Andrew or Chris could probably speak. Are we able to share
on on this? Andrew, I'm looking to see if I can share. I don't know if I have the right. There it is. Share screen. Uh, it just says the host disabled screen sharing. >> Yeah, >> we could talk. ulties with visuals and
so we can't see anything we don't have in video. >> Oh, okay. >> We're solely audio, but we are looking at the C101 plan >> and >> my understanding is lots 195 and 193
are being proposed for the residential subdivision. Correct. Andrew, can you speak to that? I'm sorry. I don't have the plans up. I wasn't really prepared. >> Yes. Cor correct. 195 and 193 are being
proposed for the residential. The third lot of the split as we've mentioned was the split off for what would be Lloyd's property as is. That's already existing. >> Understood. So where if this is in
conjunction with the solar field, where is the solar field going to be? I'm just trying to >> on C if you go back up to C101 that might be the best way to show it but
>> because the because you can see where all the you can see where the houses are and it's the it's everything except for the two parcels that have the houses.
>> And I apologize. I know you're not looking at the plan and but I just asked basically what you're telling me is that the other two proposed lots are for solar.
>> Yeah. And I am I am looking at the plans now. So I I can three but you had just said it was for proposed residential subdivision. So I'm trying to understand >> right the subdivision is
it's more of the the the real estate law side of this that's what this is how it has to be drawn. Andrew correct me if I'm wrong. Per the bylaw, we have to show it in this way so that we we can do the subdivision
and freeze zoning. The the mechanics are not ideal and not really designed for uh >> okay >> showing the the solar project.
So, it's not showing any solar project on these >> on these plants because these are subdivision plans. But I want to understand and I know what you're saying about we have to do this legally.
>> I'm trying to understand why the board is looking at a subdivision plan when we have a solar project that we are currently involved with. There might be a there might be a foundational uh misunderstanding
>> and it and it's probably mine so please clarify for me. >> No, no, it's Yeah, it's okay. The this application it does two things. It does divide the lots in a way that the land owner would
like, but it also uh filing this this preliminary subdivision plan entitles the the the land the owner to freeze the zoning in a in the current
zoning rules for seven months for for a preliminary uh in which we have time to update them, update these plans to final and then
it's eight years from that point on. Maybe maybe we were not on the same page about that. I thought that was a known. >> So these are written so that we these are drawn so that we we comply. We will
be updating them as we get closer to uh to the to the final plan. >> And if the solar project moves forward and is built, then does this plan is this plan null and void?
>> No. No, they'll just be updated to match the exact property lines that the landowner wants. Um, we would carve for for this project, we would have the
parcels for the house. Um, and then I don't know the exact configuration for the for the other parcel, but it's something like what's thrown. >> Was this lot split, this land split proposed under the solar project as well
in the same dimensions? I don't have the plans directly in front of me, so I have to Um, I think I understand your question. I think the answer is yes. But to be sure, could you say that again?
>> Well, I'm just I'm wondering if this proposed split to break out of the homes is the same land proposal that we have on the solar project. I think it is. I'm looking at a smaller
version of the solar. So, they're breaking those out the same. >> Driveway is different. >> Well, it's just the drive, but the actual proposal breaking out the properties is the same.
>> Yes. >> Maybe it looks like it goes a little farther to the edge. Like it looks almost like it splits here. 300 ft. Yes, this 300 here is broken. Now, >> I just don't understand why this
question. >> Well, two things from us at the same time. This is kind of a spaceholder is how I'm looking at it. So that they can have the property division that Lloyd's looking for, but then the usage of what actually occurs
on the external property depends on projects. And if they're able to submit this legally, it allows them to submit plans down the road in the event solar doesn't work
out. It's my understanding. I might be wrong about that, but it sets a legal placeholder for them >> so they can revisit. >> Sorry, I want to jump in. I I want to be I heard it very clearly last meeting
that you felt like we weren't being supportive or communicative or helpful. So I want to be clear this this is freezing the zoning >> so that we are subjected to the current
solar bylaw. >> Well your proposal on the solar project was submitted prior to the sub the the recommendation of moratorum. My understanding from legal is that that gets you in under the wire so to speak. So
>> yeah. >> Is this just a secondary? >> Right. >> That's right. Yes. >> Aaron, could you would could you send us an explanation of this in writing so
that we can >> Well, essentially what you told us, but so we understand the the legality of it, I guess. >> Yes, I can take that. You So, we definitely need to talk about
this, but I mean, is there do we have what we need on the preliminary submission as far as just the money and whatnot so that we can acknowledge acceptance of this proposal to start that clock for him
and but also I don't know that we want look at this until we have a decision on the the solar. You know what I mean? Like >> I think >> I just feel like we're already stretched so thin solar that this is
>> the other board and take a look at it. >> Get um documentation of what this is clarification on what this is for from Aaron and then we will move forward with it.
I agree. So, we're tableabling this for the >> Yeah, I move that we table any decisions for this meeting and we'll take it to other boards and wait for other information that we asked for
uh before making our decision. >> In favor I Okay. So we will uh we we'll get more information and we'll consider that then.
Thank you uh Aaron and Andrew. >> Okay. >> Yeah, of course. >> Have a good day. >> Thank you. You as well >> watching you guys work it out. It really is. Is that what we get to?
>> I think it's called model. >> Thank you. >> I'll drop. >> Okay, Chris, we're going to we're going to take a look at the uh Gibbs Gibbs Brook.
It do the same thing. >> Is it under? No. I I would I'm going to I'm going to ask is this done the same way with the same intention
um as the people's brook. >> Yeah, this is Aaron. I'll I'll jump in. I didn't drop. Uh yes, same intention and and I to save your efforts I will say again this is preliminary and we do
have seven months to make them final. The intention is that these will change. So if you're if you're trying to save yourself cycles, there's there isn't much value in
putting um putting a ton of time into reviewing these. We will be updating them as the pro as our projects move forward. made out. I'm looking at the the form B now, Chris and and Aaron. It's made out
the same way as the other projects. >> So, right, >> um I think we need to do the same thing. So send Aaron and if you would send us the same information if we have any other
questions um I'll get in touch with you right away so you can address those too as we move along with this. But um >> if you could please send the same information
>> as uh we asked for >> defining the lawy >> uh I I I'd appreciate that. We're going to take a quick look at this in case we have any questions uh right now. So hold on hold on we wait
>> Aaron on this lot 12 is just defining the property for the homeowner. Is that correct? Or is 12? >> Let me get those plans up. Chris, I'm not sure if you have them in our answer. >> The original the existing lot
>> existing property is known as lot 12. We just um >> and then you broke one, two, and three, right? >> Yeah, correct. Lot one has the existing uh home on it. Um >> 32 acres and so
There's a dwelling in a dwelling here. So they're keeping us out of >> Yeah. building furniture, >> right? Okay. So, there's only currently one dwelling on the property, but you're
looking to subdivide to three with two proposed dwellings for lot two and three. >> Uh, correct. There's one dwelling. There's a barn. Just another couple of small out buildings. >> Now for the subdivision, are they on
maintained roads or are they putting a road that they've left alone? >> Is that similar to the culdeac looking one at 89 Chester?
Um I I'm not sure. I don't really know the Chester lands. Um what are you asking again exactly? >> Well, we see this it looks almost like a culde-sac between the proposed property division.
>> Yes. >> Is that going to be a road? >> That would as proposed would be a bay of uh cobblestone. Yes. >> So the building We're presuming that would be
maintained. Correct. >> Um I would believe so. Yes. >> It could be a homeowners association. whatever profound we like to >> No, not at all. >> Um, >> this is
we're we're going to we're going to do the same with this as we did with the other plan. This one seems like it need we need other uh boards and committees, possibly highway department involved in this. Um so
>> health you know other boards in town. So, um I move we table this one for now. Uh get together with others and wait for information from Aaron. We
ask for if we have any other questions, I'll email them to you and we'll see uh if we keep this by moving along. But um >> I second. >> Okay. In favor? >> I
Okay. Could I ask one thing? When you make these submissions, we don't have it on our forums, but because of this uh the the the girth of this, could you
make up five sets of anything that you send in the 11 by7 format so that everything would be so that people can um our board members can look at them? >> Oh, sure. Uh it's just we only just
submit what the the regulations needed or required. So but yeah, >> it's really difficult for us to all get around the map if we could. >> I I understand. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. seven we deal with this. I don't need to find out when the clock starts.
>> Well, I think that's why it's important the date that we accept it. And I'm glad that you prevented me from going further with that suggestion because we're not ready. Yeah. >> And with the next six months focusing on the bylaws and the moratorum, I just
>> this is like a onetwo punch. >> Yeah. It's kind of involved. This is so >> they wanted to get this under the wire. >> Yes. >> Understood. And and >> but it's not accepted as >> complete.
>> No. >> So we don't have to >> also on Yes. Mhm. >> I I I really feel like this was a blind side that it's putting all the guns to uh push of
contingencies. I I I really feel like we we could have had some verbal discussions given to us as to where they were going. This is this is they ain't fooling around. >> No, I mean even even Lloyd didn't know
>> what was going on. This was kind of a legal thing. Yeah. Try to keep them in the game. >> The whole thing. >> Felt like I had a difficult time getting them. >> For sure. For sure.
>> You know what? And your questions were right in line with >> Well, >> they give us these plants. There's no solar plants. Where is the solar coming? >> I'm not an engineer. So, I'm looking at a plan and I'm trying to understand what I'm looking at. That's all. I'm not not trying to sabotage anyone or or get you
in a gotcha moment. I need to understand as a board member what I'm looking at and just simple simple questions. That's all. >> Did lots ever been gone through for uh
Martin's property or even for the solar project? No, >> I don't believe so. No. >> No. That was what that was one of the questions that That was one of our initial questions. >> They they did this instead of >> right
>> because this buys them more time. I think >> well we got we're going to have to work for legal and have Christine present to legal find. >> Well, I think it's good that we're going to obtain information from Blue Wave and we can kind of like we just discussed
table these two for a moment, you know. And then we have to focus focus >> on the solars. We have to we have to >> get our decisions done. We have to get our conditioning done and get ready for that.
But again, I want to know if the subdivision on 89 stops that proposal because if it's stipulated on a landslip to break out the the residents,
how can we move forward on a proposed project for solar if we don't have A, B, and C done? But in any big project, you got contingency plans and they want to get them in so that we have a bigger
>> Well, I get that. I get that part. I'm kind of shifting gears, I guess, a little bit to go back to the proposed solar project that we're facing. If there's not already a land split, a lot split to break out the residences, how
can we accept a plan, a a blueprint plan that breaks out the residents? That has to be done first. We can't are they going to just submit new plans now? I mean, like, >> but it's being leased. It's not being split.
>> The lower is only going to go on the least property, which is outlined. Right. But I thought part of their initial solar proposal was that
Lloyd's property would be set aside >> and it is in the in the um >> his resident's property, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> that's all set aside. >> Well, it hasn't been reported. >> It hasn't been
>> No, it hasn't. hasn't been design it hasn't >> it's still part of that agricultural >> but the the solar field >> is on his leased property which does not have to change ownership >> right right >> so there doesn't have to be any lot
split he's got the designated lines for the solar um which is on his property so it would be like anything else if you're leasing a section for raising or farmland or whatever or you would have your borders
for it, >> but there doesn't have to be an approval of that designation to separate the two when we do the solar project because solar part is on however
many acres and it's delineated. So that's it. >> That's the part I'm missing. >> I'm not missing it entirely because when you ask pointedly where is the solar I I never I definitively I don't know where solar is now.
>> Well, this this plan that we're looking at here is the same map. It's a different map of the same project. It's just assigning different responsibilities to the property. So, in the initial 89 Chester, whatever it is,
people's brook that we have for the solar, it says here's land for residents. Here's land for residents and all of this will be solar. The one we're just getting is here's residence, here's residence, now it's proposed residential
subdivision. So, they're they're applying a secondary purpose to the same land tract as a contingency plan. So, we won't see solar on the subdivision plan and we won't see
subdivision on the solar plan. Well, I guess what I'm push >> so under 61A and it's full aggraic uh bylaws the because the house is part of the
agricultural land. It doesn't have to split from that. It's considered all whole as the agricultural land. Okay. That's permitting the solar to go on. >> That makes sense to me.
So, um, what what I wondered is if and this is where we need some legal advice on this. If we were to approve this for that other solar project was approved,
would that change that other solar project where they would have to use this and re design that whole solar thing. >> He's only submitting this as a contingency. >> Correct. Yeah.
>> That's a bad it's approved. if he's not going to do anything in the subdivision plans unless the sole of the approved. >> So he's just got plan A and plan B in case plan A falls through >> the
>> Well, no, I don't think he's going to subdivide it anyway. >> I don't think plan B is viable or in his what he wants. So therefore, I think it's just it's something to get a I think legally
we really have to >> get a foot in the door. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because we're getting a a real legal flip around here. >> Yeah. >> I feel >> Yeah. Erin couldn't even really >> no answer quickly now. I feel like they're outsmarting us and we we need to know what's going on. And
I I don't do conspiracy things, but this just seems so doesn't make any sense to me. Plan B is never going to go into effect. Well, if if it's approved, then this goes through art.
>> Let's talk about this later. Let's move on. >> I mean, they're not going to put a subdivision on solar field. So, if the solar field goes through it, no employs the subdivision, doesn't it? I think the subdivision was just
submitted as a as a legal foot in the door. >> Yeah. It's it's it's like you called it a placeholder. took place >> because because we don't have a moratorum on subdivision only on solar.
This is in a different direction, right? >> We maybe what he's saying is we have seven months to move on this. >> The other thing you didn't mention specifically the subdivision by law. >> Yeah. >> The thing he kind of snuck through is the five poles
that go along that new road. Yeah, >> there's five poles for Eversource. >> So, Eversource is backing this project. >> Those five poles I think are key.
>> So, we need legal to review this for sure. Right. >> Yeah. Now, those five poles I'm like, why does he need five poles? Why does he need five poles? >> Well, to distribute. If there were actually a subdivision put in, you would need it to distribute the power throughout the property. But or three
houses? >> No, the three houses the the two that are there just being held. They plan on if if this subdivision is really going to go through. I think there's more than three houses to be proposed there. Those lots
of large area, >> but they don't think it's got to have furniture. Yeah. Well, Andre does a culde-sac >> and both projects propose a culde-sac, >> you know, you still need the road
definitions would still require the same frontage, but >> I'm not wanting to look at that plan again, but I'm pretty sure the culde-sacs were made just right. >> Yeah, I'm sure they were. But you're bringing in the extra poles which they don't have on Chester Road.
They've got >> And do we even know? Remember we went through that whole thing when they added the solar field and they had to upgrade the lines and all that. Are they going to have to do all that? >> And I want to know how big those poles are. >> Yeah. >> To blend in with the maples.
>> There's a whole there's a whole lot to to digest on that. So join the planning board. >> I'm sitting here listening to this and it's like this is so confusing and something is going on.
>> Something smells. >> Okay. >> So >> good. Good. >> We got another meeting on this later. >> This is in process for projects.
Let's let's move on to uh our decision making process forbrook LLC. That's the one that's coming up first. Um and I think
we need to start >> and we're talking solar again. Yes. >> Thank you. Yes, because we're losing >> my mind >> if if the scenario worked out that moratorum didn't if we get it don't get
it voted in and there is no moratorum we're still under the gun to have a decision by November 25th. >> Understood. Yeah. >> So I believe we can get it to >> our decision with our conditions and that sort of thing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So um I think I emailed everyone
>> the worksheet. Well, the worksheet and I you have to forgive me. I haven't put anything on that worksheet yet. I've been telling all this other stuff, but I think I got something uh the decision that was made on the same property back
in 19 the decision process and you know what the conditions were. >> Rolling potato one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Rolling potato. Oh, >> how different was that application to this one?
You guys are >> I wish I could answer you off the top of my head. >> I wish I could answer you right off the top of my head. I >> It was kind of like when it did go through, my mind let it go. So I I would
have to look that rolling potato ever source. >> Yeah. didn't didn't want it. >> Yeah. But I mean the decision for the planning board, you know, they all approved it. You know what I mean? So I was wondering how much different
that plan back then is from this plan here. >> Can we utilize that decision kind of thing? >> We probably have the plan hanging in there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm sure we do. >> Yeah. Potato head. But it it's it
stalled out and it ran over its um limit. >> Yes, that's right. We both broke. >> Yeah, it ran. >> Was rolling potato the same situation or did we >> Yeah, >> same process. >> So, they just ran out. >> They ran out because everyone wasn't
wasn't willing to connect. >> They had done and they said they couldn't take anyone to grid. >> Yep. Y >> and um >> sort of >> after so long it was a resubmission 2019.
>> I think he was going to be able to resubmit the original. >> Yeah. >> But I don't think it was the same, >> right? >> You know, I don't I watch the proposal was for >> you know what I mean? Because the way it is, but it was going to be on the back side of the field lower ground. No one
would ever see it. But I don't know. the bra would shop. >> What are you talking about? World potato. >> Yeah. >> But we had six applications at the time. I think he would have been number seven.
>> Correct. Ever source did not have the capacity to put it connected >> and it wasn't there wasn't enough there for them to consider. >> Yeah. See, I think it was a smaller field. >> Yeah. >> They got that big one right across the
So they must have upgraded. Evers are supposed to upgraded at some point. >> That was the only one that they were considering. But because there's no storage, it goes right into the into the grid and you would have had to have a bigger storage.
I would have had a best effectively >> right >> to get because they can't let it all in. >> Oh. Oh. There's only so much can go be brought in without storing it until it can be grabbed. That's why the best thing up here. They
need power plant expanded so that at night they can let the power go into the grid batteries. >> Okay. Oh, we got that. >> So, we have until November what? >> 25th. >> 25th.
>> 20th. >> But we have to get it >> written up through, >> right? I'm just trying to get an understanding of >> I talked to Aiden yesterday. He couldn't come to the meeting today and I said fine. If he comes, we got to pay him first of
all. >> Yeah. >> And if we're not moving, don't want him sitting here through all the rest of the traffic. >> But he couldn't make it anyways. He said he could come probably at noon. I thought that's I thought if we keep coming up with conditions,
we write the list of the conditions. He can he can help us to write it. Is that how the process went last time? >> Yeah, pretty much. >> But we also have our peer reviewers too that can assist with that process. Yeah. So >> I can't remember what his name is.
Conor, >> we can in the minutes from I don't remember. It was a hearing Blue Wave kept asking for peer review and I don't know if they got it.
>> They they had >> they did. >> Yeah, they they they have everything that all >> Okay. Just want to make sure. even had a small one that we we had asked some questions at a at a at a meeting. Um it was our last daytime meeting and we
asked Conor about >> couple weeks ago >> decommissioning and and he told us he was a storm water guy. He was decommissioning and something else and I got that forwarded to Andrew but he that's all taken care of. He responded to that. I'm still not
satisfied with the decommissionings. Connor said he was a storm water engineer. What he knows about decommissioning and cost of decommissioning is to me just,
you know, it just doesn't seem to sit right in my mind. >> Right. >> Right. But I do think when it comes to that, that's that's a that's a money issue. Maybe the select board should be dealing with the money. >> Board was always involved in that.
>> Not us. I mean, we can to a certain degree, but one thing that's in our bylaws that I haven't seen in any other bylaws in the state, and I've checked out, god, I don't I can't tell you how many towns, and I printed a lot of them out, and so and start highlighting
stuff, but we have an art bylaws that's based on prevailing wages, the decommissioning, which which I really like. So I looked up prevailing wage just for a common laborer prevailing wage right now
is almost $65 an hour, >> right? >> So I figured out what I thought reasonably would take for time to decommission that haul away. But now you're talking truck drivers, you're talking loading, you're talking
unloading, all that kind of stuff. Um, and I think they're way under. But I think I think I need to talk to the select board about getting someone that can give them a better estimate >> right >> on that >> right
>> than uh a civil engineer. >> What do they know about wages and estimating construction projects basically decommissioning the construction project? You got to go out there with tools and take >> same building. >> Yeah.
>> It's Yeah. opposite backwards. It is >> you had the um Sincar or maybe I have the Sincara >> decision >> uh decision and it would reference in that who we hired for the decommissioning figures but I know the
select board goes through all that bonding process and they they um agree on the and that's part of our our job and the decision. um
to determine who who makes got a whole bunch of things going >> what the what the uh regul regulations say we can't go above certain amounts the state >> 125% >> let's go to 122
>> go 124.5 >> I'm in on that >> n just go to 125 if you can't go above it. >> You can't go above it. That's correct. >> Can't go above 125. But you know, even reasonably that
decommissioning costes, but that's there's a lot of stuff that this whole process I know this is kind of getting off subject, but this whole process there should be other boards involved. >> Yeah. >> Should be the highway department involved. When you see stuff like culde-sac
a rightaway now is a town going to be responsible for that. >> Well, the subdivision for our boards is totally different. Working on subdivision, you do have to include the highway department. You have to include the building. You have to
include electrical. You have to include fire, police, health. Those all have those all have to beed. We and that's why we send out these plans to everybody to all the different
departments so that they can see it and we also publish it online of what's online so that everybody can look at it and they get their feedback and there'll be many many meetings there'll be
I hope there'll be round table meetings um >> well they have at least joint meetings and even um we do have finally um health department bylaws,
water department bylaws that we you know we can incorporate. We didn't have that before. So that's helpful. I think >> I do too. We also finally got I went to a meeting. Well, was it Karine
was there? uh a week and a half a week ago whatever and the fire chief showed up >> and I that's the first time I sat beside >> well he was at one of the meetings he was very very well verssed >> it was nice >> battery >> to hear yeah and he was and Adam's a
pretty smart guy but it was good to see him finally get involved on a larger level I think that's that's huge especially at best solar not so much But but you know so another thing I thought about
>> you know solar is just a gateway of gas. That's it. >> If you bring solar, you got to have to store >> another thing under conditions. And I suppose we ought to talk. This is this is why I think it's important to have other people, boards, officials in town
involved because even even this solar project at Peeles's Brook, if there was a fire in that forest out in back of this, how could how could the fire crew get through that solar field and out there to put that out? They're not.
>> No, that's a really bad. >> It is. It is a bad project. >> The road has to the Huntington Road has to be redone up until the place. >> Well, I'm talking about even People's Brook >> out back.
>> Yeah, because that's a state for >> State on the other side. >> No, State goes behind him, right? >> Oh, it does? >> Mhm. >> Oh, yeah. But there's so there would be basically no access. >> Correct. There'd be a huge there is a fire in the middle of the woods.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. But under conditions right now they could go through the field. >> No. >> No. Fire department. They have to >> I don't think so. Is there an access route? >> Is there an access road up to the
towers? >> Yeah, there is. >> Part of the way. Yeah, >> there is. >> Yeah. So they get access to >> Yeah. access to the towers was built when how is it? >> Yeah.
>> In the truck field >> being in such a forested town land's not owned by Springfield Water I guess. But that's the condition that we should we should be asking the fire department to >> that's that was my point that we should
be asking fire department you know if in case of a emergency or fire >> back you got that note I don't need to duplicate efforts do I
>> also also um you think of uh Springfield's mission is all of these rest blocks and maintaining the quality level of those rest blocks. Is there a way that we can enlist some of their support um to get
them nervous about some of these bests or is that not a route >> that's a political >> it's been an attempted route. >> Okay. >> Jackie wrote a >> Jackie wrote a letter and there's been absolutely no response. have been really
really quiet and you don't understand why >> she wrote the letter utilities and big utilities >> the top people even copied all the newspaper everybody on No >> I I had suggested at another meeting
that get it in a newspaper the people in Springfield Nagwan meadow >> see it in it >> they're the ones that drink the water >> maybe it would cause an upro No, it's been in the Springfield paper, >> but it still doesn't cause an upward, >> but they don't want another power plant
in Springfield. >> They're nimbies, not my backyard. >> Long Meadow doesn't want one. I think doesn't want one there. >> They're like here, Hilltown. >> They're out. They're out there. I and when I went to that meeting, there was a
training session, um Deerfield said that they would love to have uh solar and they would love to have um uh >> best >> best. Oh my god, >> Deerfield does. >> Deerfield the Deerfield planners. Yep. We're just so excited. Oh, you get so
much revenue from that. >> Yeah. What cost? Well, that's the whole kind of what we're trying to do is manage it so the town can still get revenue,
but not not the way it's being done. I mean, stuck >> has good stuff with that. >> They've got an aquafer uh overlay where that can't be touched. They got all kinds of designated areas where, you
know, they got the industrial, they got the commercial stuff, but they also have solar designated. It's probably not um I I just printed out their stuff. And >> I I did too. I think there was where maybe
>> wanted to do that. Yeah, >> that's what we're going to end up having to do is get a zoning overlay >> for specific areas for >> solar >> so that so that all the agricultural
isn't isn't available if if there's you know >> the water. We had looked into that a long time ago, three chairmans ago, and there were limited areas that were able to be
utilized based upon size and protection and Springfield Water. And I think that they have targeted every one of the available properties >> really >> in the last 5 to seven years.
>> Some some towns have like a 20 acre size 11. >> Yeah, size 11. Um, I don't think Irish I don't think we have anything. >> I want 12 acres is ringing a bell to me, but I don't minimum
>> minimum the 12 acres. That's why Hopson was that 12 acre piece >> where Hopson remember the lot split. >> Oh yeah. Okay.
>> Till we get a proposal. >> Yeah. You know, you never know. >> Um 11:42. I just want to let you know. >> Yeah. Okay. Just >> I mean I've got like 45 minutes. this
one. >> You know, if we were talking about um in line with conditions, um the zona, you know, for them to stay in compliance
with 61A, they got to report their yield to the state every year. Okay. There's a form they got to submit. And um we required them to >> copy us, >> notify us. Yeah, >> it's just a copy of a form. They're
already competing. I don't see why. >> Yeah, but I mean it would be sent to the Z, you know, the zoning board. So >> So that would be an assessor >> or assessor, whatever. They know they stay in compliance. >> Yeah.
>> The assessor could write the conditions. Actually the >> will be >> the the pilot and and the the taxes should be based on >> I'd like to see it based on a percentage of >> seeing for output profits
right >> right >> the wrapped up >> you know >> another town had in that they needed second. >> Yeah.
You know, another thing I I you know, like I when this whole thing started, even back in 219 and back my mind, I'm going to keep my vegetation down. So, I was always worried about chemicals and everything, right? You know, cuz you're hearing what happened to the aquifier in
Westfield. Okay. And um you know, then they said, "Okay, they're going to boom. They're not going to use chemicals. But then I seen in the proposal for Huntington Road >> chemical. >> They have an option to use chemicals. >> Yeah. >> Okay. They didn't on Martin, but they
did on road. But I also watch what they're doing across street from an epic field. And it wouldn't surprise me if they're using chemicals here because they don't spend a lot of time mowing.
>> Yeah. There's nothing them up. >> No, I think I'm thinking I'm thinking they're using chemicals, but I don't know. >> But I mean, I don't know if they're like the health department. >> Yes, she's car folks. That was
>> that was delineating, but they couldn't I have to pull it up. Um the one that's across from >> Yeah. I would have played statewide use too. But those >> and they had to have the fences to have
the the animal small. >> Yeah. It was all underneath. Yeah. >> Um but I was pretty sure they said they couldn't uh I know that it was hurt. >> Yeah. I I heard they weren't supposed to be using chemicals, but I don't know
who's policing. you know, one of the big problems we have. >> Yeah, >> it could it could be us. Um, what I read, but >> yeah, >> we have time for that.
Not unless your fulltime job. >> I I drive by I don't know how many times a day. At least at least twice every day. Like even if I go to to town once Bell floor and it looks like crap out in front there. Yeah. >> And they're, you know, and I and I think
that this is where screening comes into play as I I I, you know, at some point we'll slow down to look at their conditions. We have to go over there and do a site visit because they still haven't done their their building. I don't think they've done their concrete pad which was supposed to have been
done. >> I know. >> Like December this year, right? >> We got a month. >> Did I see something that they were applying to subdivide to drop off of the
backside a chunk of land? >> I think that was it was not with us. There was a there was an announcement in the paper two weeks ago. I think that there was a fairly substantial lot. I was wondering would that get down to the Eversource best area? Is is that part
and parcel or not? >> Is that cor >> I don't know. >> Is that the one that they were talking about for doing the fire department? No, it sits right on that cemetery
there by the highway department. That's B floors some land right there and going to talk about assessing that land doing a feasibility study for fire.
I got I got theories on that >> bunch of feasibility study comes through and they say, "Oh, this is a good place to have it. You're going to watch the price of the LA sky skyrocket." >> Do it. God's sake. Tell me.
>> I know. >> What conditions are fire? >> I suggested. >> All right. So is that conditions for 61A the fire department? Are we doing water?
How are we doing uh for fire or if there's a fire? What's the water pressure? What's the >> goals? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that should be it. >> Do we need hydrants there? Do I need
They don't work. But no pressure. >> Water towers right there. >> There's no water source there, is there? There's no water source there. >> There's a water tower right on the chest road.
>> Oh, right. Maintenance. >> That was for pressure. So we don't need to. >> So that could be a condition. >> Well, does the line go all the way there? >> No, it stops up near that water tower
somewhere. >> Yeah. >> Make them drag a line in. >> Then it heads towards town. >> Yeah. I thought another another thing as far as the uh
visual mitigation there higher staggered yet put in there staggered bigger too 3 foot. >> Now >> we need we need full whatever it is needs to be full because they wanted to
do it 12 feet apart. So, we need a landscape. They were supposed to send over or we were supposed to work with the landscapes that they were recommending. And I don't know that they ever gave us the name of it when we did the site visit. Um, he said that they had a
landscaper and that was we need a landscaper plan, which we do not have yet. >> Who said that? Blue Wave. >> Yeah. >> We can't use theirs. That's a conflict of interest. >> Yeah, but they have to put in the trees. >> Oh, yeah. It's they're it's not part of them, but
they have a landscaper that they're going to pay to put in the trees. >> Do we as as a peer review get a landscape architect to go take a look at that?
>> We could we're going to pay for it, but if if we work with a landscaper, they would do the same thing. >> Paying out their money. How about if it the onus should be on them to provide something you've already talked about the the introducing otheries that are not indigenous
planting. I think that we need to say we've asked you we're not going to do it. You need to present to us what what the alternative plantings are and how we going to mitigate those sidelines. Um I think that's really kind of vague. >> They their response has been the same
all the time. have righties. Um, >> no, they said that we could pick whatever we wanted, >> right? >> And to work with the landscapers, >> the say that that is not acceptable. The bylaws talk about indigenous native plantings. So therefore, I think it
should be on them to come back with a a proposal that we shouldn't spend our time or money on. >> Oures are not >> they are >> here. is not >> they they are they are see
>> who? >> Uh I I re >> your source >> I didn't think so either. They are >> they are >> they are >> y they're a type of cedar and they were they're here. >> All right Google
>> and they're fast growing and they're pretty tough. >> So we've got two proposals. One is to work with to get the referral to their landscaper um to get them to propose give us a landscape going on with what we want
because they said we could choose whatever we wanted or have a peer review or do it work. So those there's two plans right for that. Although it is considered endangered in
the state due to its limited habitat >> from another town where they called for a staggered buffer zone with minimum of of six3s and and it passed. It depends on what the length of the
property is and what the depth is that you're going to plant so that you can stagger them and how big the circumferences for the plants. Um, but we've only got 100 feet that they're willing to correct for now that they're
willing to plant anything. 100 feet from pole from one pole to the other isn't going to give us much of a screen. And >> how would they justify it? >> I'm just telling you what they said. So
that's what we're dealing with right now. So we could that's another condition we could look at because uh with the 100 ft and they were going to space them 12 feet apart at Abberide. I mean you might as well just
forget about Yeah. Right. Yeah. This is the plan right now. So, I I drove by there this morning because I I had an idea that where they're where they're doing their
plantings, it's not going to screen everything. >> Not going to screen anything. >> No, it's not anything >> because the it'll take 20 years for them to get that pot. Right. >> Right. If they grow, >> salt is gonna >> at the at the top of that land, at the
top of that field, that's 10 feet higher than the road. >> Yeah. >> Right. And then up another 15t. That's 25 ft higher than the road. Right. >> That's that's taller than most houses in
town. Most houses are about 20 feet, 18 20 feet. Um, >> so could they put a BM? Well, that's >> on top of that. That would be much better. >> They they could do that and other towns have done that. I don't know what they did where all the stuff
>> done that. >> Southampton did that. Or was it Westfield right along 20 there? >> Westfield. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's It's And it's not bad. >> And they keep it nice and low, clean. They're really nice. >> But the BM helps a lot because it takes away the visual.
>> It does. It does. It takes away the visual. it get it catches the air and plantings on top of it then it would really really do something but >> right >> also I thought that road going in along the side of that road you know the
access road there it should do that too because that's going to create an opening where you can see right through in either from either direction >> they're not going to want and I'm playing devil's advocate here >> because we've seen worked with carva Um,
they're not going to want freeze around the power lines up. Anything to do with >> uh blocking that? >> How close? You don't have to be close to the line. >> No, they don't. >> Yes, they can. And abberites don't grow
up and have big sprawling spread out branches either. They kind of grow up tall. It's any um beniferous tree. They all I mean any kind of pine tree except for the white
pines they grow tall and fall over and they they grow fast but they're useless as far as I mean I just wanted to look at where that road went. I I I was thinking about this a lot and
I thought was fun. We're plantings shower plantings. No, this isn't very good. Let's see here. But there you get you got a big void
right through here that looks right up there. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, and >> where's this road for the subdivision going? >> Huh? >> Where's this road for the subdivision going?
>> That's going over further. But I don't see why we can't put in conditions a even on the other side of these lines up up this road. So blocking the visual
coming in at an angle, not so much on this side because but still even in back of these houses if if if we don't do something I'm just saying if we don't do something in back of these houses
and Lloyd or whoever decides to cut down the existing trees that are back of the houses now, we don't have any we don't have a buffers on there. They're not going to want trees that
I think for the solar they needed 100 foot because of the shadow of the trees casting a shadow on their their solar. >> Oh, they got 100 ft in back of these houses from the back lot of
87 and 89. They got the 100 foot buffer zone. They could put them right on the on the line there. They got 116 feet to the solar array at
the and 101 ft at another one. I mean, it's just a thought for condition, >> you know. Remember I I I sent you the pictures in Southwick >> Street from the ranch. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? And those are planted this year.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. You know, the housing development is right behind there. You know, you know, >> and those those are evergreen. >> Yeah, they are. >> And you want evergreens. >> Yeah. You know, >> cuz if they once they lose their leaves,
>> right? >> And they not a straight line. They like put them >> zigzag almost. >> They jagger them. You know what I mean? Yeah. >> Yeah. Like Yeah. Like that. So you got one here. See? >> Yeah.
And like those on top of a burm. BMS are expensive. They're >> hydro. >> We don't have any. >> We have 25 ft to compensate. Give me a 10ft burn with arbor. So that's the way we're going to go. >> Yeah.
>> We got nothing to lose by putting conditions down. >> Correct. Right. >> I I agree wholeheartedly. think >> well they do have length. >> Yeah, I think that's and pray is >> right.
>> Yeah. So, because I I looked at those trees this morning, I said, "But I can see right through there." Um, you think bigger trees? >> They didn't uh when he when he was talking, I didn't hear anything about on
the towards the Chester end putting any plantings. >> Yes. >> You know, this makes it look like But right now, he's got a tree barrier here by his house, right? Okay. So,
you know, you only come so far with this with the uh screening. So, that's wide open back in that way. Yeah. So, if >> but we can't put
who owns that property. >> That's where he lives. Yeah. The house he lives in. >> Where's the other house? right beside 897. >> Boy owns that too. He rents it. >> Yeah. >> So even if we couldn't do it in front of the house,
>> I couldn't on the least part of it. He's got 100 100 ft here in that buffer zone. >> Yeah. >> Plantings here. >> You can screen it. >> I'd say plantings all along here.
>> The whole the whole perimeter. They'll they'll then that's going to be a m major pullback. But there's no problem with putting it in there. >> We are more worried about our residents than we were about blue wave concern for
what we propose for conditions. >> Talk about money for them. >> I understand that. >> I understand. >> Yeah. I agree with the burm. I agree with the staggering. >> Don't have any trouble spending money on that. Right. >> No,
>> I can't even believe I can't even believe they they're doing it for the owner, the land owner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That wasn't chief. >> Yeah. We got one of those printers down there in the town clerk's office.
>> Oh, we do. >> Yeah. Well, actually, we'll get one in the water department, too. He bought it. You know how much I used to pay for for making maps for >> Oh, I used to pay big bucks. I had to go to Southwoods in Southwick and get plans
made up. >> Yeah. Well, I was in the old days and >> do all and so on our conditions we're going to put for are we going to talk to their landscaper or are we going to hire someone?
How how do we get an accounting of what we have left in that account for getting period? >> Well, I don't know that we've uh paid off everything yet. >> Has uh um have they submit submitted the
bills and have we submitted them for payment? >> I don't see any girls like buried in there somewhere. where in there. >> Well, they just keep dumping stuff on our desk and I haven't been able to get
in. >> I I asked them to put it in our mailbox. I haven't seen anything. >> Yeah. Wow. >> I don't know. >> They usually send them pretty close. >> The reason I asked that I I don't really want to I I don't trust anybody Blue Waves can
hire or that knows or a referral from them. These are all people in your pocket. >> Yeah. But I think >> we're going to need that. >> Us having to get involved in that kind of minutia level is just going to wear
us thin. >> I agree. I agree. And >> yeah, they got to take care of it. >> They got just written the conditions. >> Yeah. >> And and we can >> review those plans. >> Yeah. I mean like >> you have to submit your screening plan to us. We're not just going to stay okay
to whatever you propose. >> Yeah. Put them to task. >> Yeah. But, you know, they need to give us the name of the landscaper and the landscaper before the 25th has to come up with the plan and we need to
negotiate it and put it under condition. >> Well, that's >> Yeah, >> that's why I'm so frustrated that we spent 30 some odd minutes on those subdivision plans, >> but I'm not at all surprised that we
did. Um, well, there was a a reason I wanted to get that out of the way, too. I felt enormous pressure. I was really pissed at that last meeting that they pulled that crap and I kind of talked to a hallway before the meeting and
then I had to count down. >> But their their goal is to generate revenue period. That is the only fault for them. How they do that is neither here nor there in their opinion.
>> How big a broom do you guys want? >> 10 foot. >> Oh, for quantitives. >> Yeah. >> You know, like they're in South Lake. They didn't use, you know, it it might
have gone up 24 in mounting in the face on top of it. >> But but we got raised solar and a raised topography. So we need >> bigger trees, >> huh? >> Or the and bigger trees.
>> A BM. I thought BM. >> Okay. The worm would immediately take your eye for the visual effect especially if it's planted planted. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> 10 ft. >> Is that too much?
>> Is that is that going to be >> that's big >> too much where the berm is visual attraction. You're like ew bm you know like >> plant four to six foot burm better where then the plantings can take the visual. >> There might be a problem with drainage
because of the burn. I don't have to. >> No, I mean make it work. You want it to work. Make it work. You know, >> just make the drainage on the inside of it so it goes down >> correct >> into the drainage around through the
same pipe. >> It's going to drain in the same spot. >> I think that's all we hit them for 10 ft. And if it's a if it's a gradual >> thing and it flattens out and it's fairly wide,
>> we can have our staggered planting on that. And it doesn't have to be a BM. It could be aual. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> I'm with the 10. >> Yeah, let's go with 10. >> And what kind of trees are we looking at? Are we still going to go with
>> evergreen? >> Evergreen. >> Are they going to consider everybody's evergreens? No, they are. >> Yeah. >> Well, they said that they said we didn't have to do >> white pines.
>> They get pretty >> We've got a lot of blot going on with the coniferous trees lately. >> Yeah, >> the ashes are all dead. >> The stuff is getting hit with blight and and disease. >> Amlocks are horrible,
>> right? So, maybe we should just stick with the evergreens. >> Someone sent me a real nice picture of a screen. I was trying to find it. It was of the pines and what they did is completely blocked it out, but um they
also had had them required to do maintenance to kind of keep them keep them nice also. But the screening was amazing. I wish I could find a picture of it, but it was white pines. >> How old was the growth though? Uh they were very very fast growing.
>> White pines are fast. >> Yeah, it was just a couple years. >> But they also took care >> chasing our tail on the enforcement issue again too. >> And then it's you know it's green for season. I like the idea of pine.
>> Yeah. >> Different different pine trees. That's all. If you look at what he's Martin's got around his house right now on the north side. >> Yeah. >> Okay. He he planted that stuff. I don't know when or where. Right. But I mean, um, >> those are some healthy looking hemlocks.
>> Yeah. And they and they and they screen that side of his house real good. >> They do. They do. Make sure evergreen. >> Yeah. >> And and a maintenance program or Yeah. how they're going to be because if you do
>> Yeah. Don't plant trees and let them die and go, "Oh, well, they died." You know, like >> And if you want to make a real screen, you need to talk them frequently, >> right? Talk so they grow out. >> Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. Replacement like in 30 days
instead of 150 or whatever. Can we can we go so far as to have a independent landscaper, >> horiculturist, whatever? Yeah. >> For the uh for the duration of the contract
maintenance, >> we could have >> Did I see that like >> did I see that in the 2019 conditions? I >> think so. >> But they didn't do it. >> They didn't. But I mean, >> but that's good. It was a good reference
if I remember correctly. >> Yeah, >> was we could say >> so refer to that condition for the language. >> But I saw another one where it was if it changed owners, it went for the life of the project >> responsibility transfer ownership.
>> It's got to be Yeah. You know, the new owner's got to take responsibility. You know what I mean? It's all got to be transferred to him. conditions. >> Yeah. >> You know, and the other thing we talked about it last meeting was in the lease
where releases Lloyd from any responsibility whatsoever. I think that's wrong. I don't I don't know if we can get into that at least >> what what the >> legally what what who has the
incumbrance because if we could put some incumbrance with Lloyd I think that would be beneficial for the town and might make it less attractive. >> Yeah, >> he's bringing them in. Let him take some responsibility. >> Sure. >> I agree. So would that be something to
bounce off of regarding legal? >> How are we going to word that um >> owner? >> Does does a a less sore have legal liability
>> with land? [Music] I'm like page 150 the lease agreement obligation. >> Yeah. >> And it's only two pages >> because I do jack that you brought that up last time. If you're going to get all
this great start >> Yeah. You know, he should be, you know, >> what I mean like he's he's washing his hands every time. >> You know what I mean? That's not right. I don't care. They're not going to be around in three years. These guys
>> They changed They change owners. >> Yeah. >> Although St. Karp has been here for a long time, but the other ones Oh my gosh. But they want belly up pretty fast. Um, so what are we saying? Who has the legal
responsibility for the life of the least >> or does the lesser have some legal responsibility their land? why he's going to say he's least of any responsibility.
That's what we read right now. But for tax purposes and for monitoring the 61A, the assessors need to know >> Yeah. who's who's the property owner
>> and the be interesting >> and who's who's responsible for the taxes, >> right? >> And um and the chapter land. >> Also be interesting to see what sort of hay yield they have in the past off that
because there's there's many hay up there. >> He sells this hay >> for the goats. like the poor goats. Oh my gosh. talk about in Jeff. Um, so there's a lesser he who are
sponsor or and as as Ron said, the way it's written up, maybe we say it needs to be >> reby so that the the land owner has some vested interest in And >> yeah,
>> it's you take care of it. >> Yeah, >> if you know he's got to be held responsible. >> So, um my goats um >> yeah great. Um, we we got some information to
and and anything more I'll add it to that document >> to the ideas you guys do the same. >> Um, where this >> I mean, >> okay, >> as far as a future
>> meeting, Tuesday of next week at 10:00 a.m. I can make it work. Just know it's going to be the same kind of pressure for me >> to get out. So if we if we do a meeting at
on Tuesday, we got to get this >> Tuesday would be the 11th. >> Yeah. Because we got to deal with so many things. So we're not >> Well, this right now, this decision has to be here. >> Yeah. Well, I'm saying we don't >> I think the list that you created today
should be our priority list. >> Yeah, but that isn't a public. >> We we've still got the deconditioning. We got the insurance bonds that have to um go we've got well the select board has to do the
they're doing payment and lower taxes. >> Mhm. >> So they don't do a pilot on that. >> Do we know? >> But you got to be in 61A if they're doing payment and lower taxes. >> That would be what? >> Blue.
>> Blue A taxes. that that needs to be solidified somehow um >> by the select board >> by the select board but it's got to be included in our conditions
you know part of the addition they right if we need to let them know where where would where would you find if um there is water available at in a close proximity to that property
And if there isn't that we need a water truck in town to in a worst case scenario. >> That's the thing where we said fire department needs to write conditions for fire, but they if it's the same as SAR,
they let it go. They they don't do anything. There's hands off. They don't pump water in it. They don't do anything. that suppression is supposed to work, but it doesn't. They dump chemicals on it, I guess.
>> But they're supposed to put water on to keep everything else cool. That's what they do. >> I know what they what the fire department is going to do with this what they did for San Carp when they said, "We watch it. We stand around or we get
the trees around and we bring the trucks over and whatever's in the middle. But you can talk to Adam and put that as um >> we'll put a punch together. >> I was just going to say >> we do next Tuesday.
>> Yeah. Yes. >> And we'll just the only thing on the agenda will be >> this >> conditions. >> Okay. >> And then this is like that. We don't waste time any time. >> And that is >> Can I get you to sign this again?
Because I put your name as Garfield. >> Oh, you did? >> Yeah. >> Oh, thank you. >> Maybe want to send it out like that. >> You don't want me to. I do this. We have like 10 of those things.
>> Diverting for just a second. Do you have the language for the announcement that you read at the moratorum that I can take from you to transition to my minutes? >> Is what I had in my minutes was when we
posted it online. And I like these. >> You want to just copy and paste them? >> Sure. Do you have it? And >> go on the town website and it's the announcement. >> Yeah. >> I'll give it to you. >> Okay. Hold on. It's a warrant. The town warrant. >> It's the town.
It's I got off the announcement from Mr. White. >> You look for agenda. >> Yeah, I think it's the minutes. >> No, agenda. actually was the temporary
>> October 30th. >> Yes. >> It's actually the notice for um >> the town. >> Yeah. Special committee. >> Yeah. >> That's where I read it off of.
I thought it was pretty extensive. I'd love to just cut and paste. Where did you say on the notice? >> There should be temporary moratorum here. >> You can ask
>> the solar the two solar projects that you're working on right now. Will they fall in with the moratorum or they >> well excluded? That's why we need to get them decisions so that they can decide whether or not they want to comply with our conditions and fall. If they agree
to our conditions on our decision, then they will be held to the current bylaw. But if they refuse or don't proceed with the plan, then they would resubmit under new bylaw.
So, so that list can be extensive. >> The conditions need to be >> extensive, >> bulletproof. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But also, did you did you get out of that that they're
exempt from the the new bylaws? >> Yeah. Well, right. If if everything does >> if they move forward what we condition on the decision fees >> to put in the application be raised.
>> Yeah. Direct you like you know like if like the state >> can Oh yeah. >> You know why can't we do something? >> Oh no. >> We can't I think it's
As long as they're not >> same expensive. >> Yeah, >> right now my license. Yeah, they're town number. >> Yeah, it's >> I mean just the application
>> where how does the town get taxed? [Music] >> I'm not sure. You know what I mean? I thought >> they say lower taxes work. And don't
>> Oh, and it's a PDF. >> Never mind. I can I can cut paste it myself if you send it whenever you need. >> Yeah, >> I have Adobe now. I had to >> I believe that I took care of all of the residents
properly. So it's just I can type this out but it's going to take you see September 17th. >> It is it is I guess change but it's not
>> I just I make a motion that we close the meeting. Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> We didn't do that with our chairman. >> He's been usurped.
>> I thought he was here. >> Actually, before we close, I make a motion that we meet next Tuesday at >> You got it. >> Telling them that they weren't working. I'll tell you, they just sat there. >> How did your costume go over? It's not 1:30.
>> No, it's 12:30. >> I gota be to work for >> 11. >> Okay, folks. Have a great day. >> Thanks. Those gonna be crying like >> for me too.
>> I don't know what I'll put these back. >> Oh, can we make sure that that's all shut down, please? Like the meeting's closed. All >> right. Thank you everyone. Thank you. >> Hey, we have a close meeting.
>> We did. >> The vice chair stepped in. >> Thank you, Vice Chair. I just want to say tonight, >> hey guys, I I got to a bunch of more stuff from
>> if you say are we done and