You know what? I really I'm sorry. >> Thanks. Tell me if I can hear them. should have been I'll settle there. Do you get that option? didn't have a seat.
Beautiful. [Music] >> Sharp. Make sure >> No, that's I know that you Well, >> just a couple of while I try.
real quick. >> It was I almost Did you figure? >> Yeah, we know. If some of the past else. >> Okay. Motion we open this meeting.
Hear a second. >> Second. >> Any favor? >> Okay. Um, we have minutes from our me our meeting on September 10th and minutes from our
meeting on September 25th. Um, >> I make a motion for September 10th and September 25th as written. >> Second file [Music]
minutes. Yep. Minutes. All >> in favor I military accepted. That's written. >> Thank you folks. Okay, moving along. Um,
next on our agenda is Blue Wave will submit their preliminary subdivision uh plans. Um, and here we have um just state your name. >> Yeah. Andrew Hamilton, Western Samson Engineers for People's Bro LLC just
submitting um for section five of your subdivision bylaw the 11 copies of plans and the application and check report. >> Okay, thank you. Um I'm Aaron S with Blue. Okay, Chris,
>> Christopher Ryan with Midian Associates for the Gibsbrook project. >> Okay, thank you. Where's best? >> Andrew, could we get a talked on the phone? Can we get a PDF of this? >> I have an electronic copy in here for
you, but I'm happy to send it full via email as well. That way it's >> perfect. We have to thank you very much. >> Yeah. >> And checks are in here. >> Checks are in here in an envelope. And then there's also the same form.
>> Okay. Anybody can >> sign check. >> Okay. check for $725 for submission of this subdivision plan. >> Yes.
Y that you had there. I have the same copy of the Copy. All right. We'll have the same exact right here. >> Yep. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Same thing with checks for $725 for it's a uh Gibbs broker LLC subdivision plan >> application package sending a letter
breaking down bylaws assigned application check to see soil testing forms Yeah. >> Yeah. And I would make you I'll send
electronic copies. >> Sure. We'll the board will review this stuff and we'll get back to you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Chris, >> right?
>> Okay. Moving right along. >> Uh motion to call a temporary recess to open the hearings. I think in favor I all in favor so
now I know you want to read that or just teachable water. Okay, it's both >> here. >> I was just >> No, I've already practiced this with my
dogs. And it's and it's kind of long. This is the whole article. Um, article one to see if the town will vote to amend the town's voting bylaws by inserting a new section 18 as follows or
take any action relative to there too. Section 18, temporary moratorum on construction of largecale groundmounted solar photovalttaic installations and battery energy storage systems. Authority and purpose. Town of Blandford
currently has three approved largecale groundmounted solar photovalttaic installations commonly referred to as solar farms completed or under construction. Two that are in the permitting process. three more that have
expressed interest in pursuing permitting within the town. Additionally, the town is also aware of a largecale battery energy storage system that intends to seek permitting this year pursuant to the zoning by large scale ground mounted solar
photovalttaic installations of battery energy storage systems are allowed pursuant the site plan review and special permit in the agricultural zoning district which includes approximately 90% of almsand area.
The town has experience experiencing unexpectedly high demand for large scale solar facility special permits and together with the emphasis being placed on the development of solar energy to reduce
dependence on fossil fuels and the potential availability of large areas of open space in the town. It is anticipated that applications to site large scale solar facilities and battery energy storage systems in the town will continue unabated.
The unexpected high demand has demonstrated the potential for rapidly changing the base of the town, therefore raising unanticipated legal, planning, and economic issues and creating an urgent need to regulate the use.
At the time of the adoption of the town's current learning bylaws, the scope and scale of potential energy development in Blandford was limited by existing grid constraints, particularly the capacity of Everour's transmission and distribution infrastructure.
The town has since learned of and is responding to a substantial substation expansion project proposed and permitted by Eversource within the town intended to increase system hosting capacity of the regional grid. According to utility
studies associated with the Planefield Blandford study group, the existing transmission and distribution facilities in the area do not have sufficient hosting capacity to accommodate the volume of dist distributed generation
including solar and battery projects currently proposed or anticipated. The substation and related distribution upgrades are explicitly designed to resolve these limitations, thereby enabling a significant increase in the number and scale of new
interconnections. The expanded capacity of the upgraded substation is expected to make Blandford more attractive to commercial energy developers seeking special permits or other local approvals. The town's current zoning framework does not
adequately account for the likely volume, intensity, and cumulative impacts of such development. Nor does it reflect the modern technological, environmental, and land use implications of utility scale battery energy storage
systems or colllocated renewable installations. Notably, when the town zoning provisions were last adopted or amended, the regional infrastructure improvements now underway were entirely unknown
and not reasonably foreseeable. As a result, large portions of the town, including approximately 90% of its land area, remain potentially open to commercial scale energy development under outdated and insufficiently
protected standards. The town seeks to avoid unintended consequences of unchecked or poorly regulated commercial solar and battery energy storage development while it undertakes a deliberate and comprehensive planning process. This
process will include public input, expert consultation, and the development of zoning amendments that ensure any future energy development is consistent with the town's land use goals, environmental protections, rural
character, infrastructure limitations, public safety, and state regulations. Therefore, this temporary moratorum is necessary, reasonable, and narrowly tailored to serve the public interest while the town updates its bylaws to
reasonably manage a rapidly evolving energy landscape. The moratorum will not apply to residential, roof mounted, or small or medium ground mounted solar installations. Together with the increase in demand, the law concerning the ability of
municipalities to regulate solar energy facilities and battery energy storage systems through its zoning bylaws has evolved sign substantially by way of recent court decisions and attorney general review of proposed amendments to those five. The town's
recent attempts to address the impact of large-scale solar facilities and battery energy storage systems through amendments to its by zoning bylaws have been only partially successful due in large part to the changes in the law.
The town needs time to study the impact of this evolution on its current regulation, these facilities, and adjust that regulation as necessary to ensure that it conforms to legal requirements while adequately addressing the impact
of large-scale solar facilities and larger battery energy storage systems. and the town in the planning goals. In position of a temporary moratorum on the construction of large scale ground mounted solar photovalttaic
installations and battery energy storage systems will allow sufficient time to assess these issues and amend the zoning bylaws. Conform the legal requirements and address the impact of these facilities on the town's environmental
resources and goals. Uh B, temporary moratorum for the reason set forth and notwithstanding any other provision of the zoning bylaws. To the contrary, the town hereby adopts a temporary moratorum
on the use of land or structures for large scale ground mounted solar boat photovalttaic installations of battery energy storage systems. The moratorum should be in effect through May 31st, 2026 or the date on which the town adopts
amendments to the zoning bylaws concerning the large scale ground mounted solar photo and voltaic installations and battery energy storage systems whichever comes earlier. During the moratorum period, the town
shall undertake a planning process to study, review, analyze, and address what revisions to the zoning bylaws relative to the large scale ground mounted solar photovoltaic installations and battery energy storage systems are needed or describe
or desirable to allow or in regulate such use consistent with applicable law while protecting the town's environmental resources and furthering his planning goals. That's it. No, don't
um what kind of kind of dry but hope you all understood that it's you know a moratorum that we really need. I'm going to open for uh
public public uh discussion. Uh let me state some rules before we do that. Um if you want to make a statement uh raise your hand, you'd be recognized by the chair. State your name and address
please and um speak up. you'll have give you two minutes just try try to consolidate your your thoughts and your words. Um you have two minutes and we can you know stick by those rules
that would be great. >> So any questions at this point? Correct. >> There'll be no questions. >> No questions, please. >> Any questions? Question. >> For comments, not questions.
>> Questions. Comments. I don't have a question. I'm sorry. Uh Dor Sheily 126 North Life Road. Um I'm just wondering, you're saying the more exploring is something for large scale
um not the on the house or or or a medium scale. And I'm just wondering what constitutes a medium scale versus a large scale. I mean, you talking major acreages or just >> megawatt,
>> you know, backyard uh >> it's spelled out in the zoning my laws as megawatt >> mega megawatt. >> That's the size of it. Yes. >> Much it generates.
>> How much megawws it generates? >> So, how much does like house >> I I don't know. >> Not for residential, it's for commercial. that question monitoring applies to commercials. >> Well, my question is more like if medium
uh are still cut down foliage and everything else for medium scale versus a large scale. I mean, so my question is why wouldn't we include a medium scale and a large scale in our moratorium?
because we're dealing with large scale which is very very large scale. Medium scale is mostly residential. Okay, >> these are we're dealing with commercial
commercial large scale solar. >> Can you please identify yourself first? >> Can you please identify yourself? just open my mouth. My name is Ann Ganon and I'm from North Plank Road, 124 North
Plank Road. So my my statement is if we're going to get rid of medium, I mean we're keeping medium, what we're getting is rid of large scale in the moratorium that you just read. So
you don't define what a medium scale is. And I would imagine if somebody wants to come into our town to put uh solar thing in, they could very easily
use that medium scale and just put a bunch of medium what they consider a medium scale field in. No, >> because there's no uh measurements on or anything other than the megawatt thing,
but there's no measurements as to how large a medium scale would be as far as acres might go. >> No, that's why that's why we're asking for more attorney. So, we can make the the bylaws the town bylaws to protect
the town >> and large scale. Medium scale is residential. We're just dealing with large scale commercial systems. >> So that's defined that medium scale is residential within this moratorium.
>> You can go on the town website and in the bylaws it describes the differences in small, medium and large scale. >> It is actually defined in our bylaws correctly. >> All right. Great. Thank you.
Uh so just a point of um between medium, large, small. The state doesn't recognize medium. It's large and small and it's defined by megawatt hours. So there is no medium. There's large and small. That helps. And the moratorium specifically is for
commercial use. So if they are a smaller commercial use, it's still commercial use. Okay. So the moratorium still applies if that helps. Sorry, I didn't need to. No, thank you. >> I had a Korean charge train new goal club route. It was more of a question. I
was hoping that the uh moratorum steps that need to take through the process for who it has to go through and how long it may take and if it gets approved if it doesn't get approved. Christine >> um on November 17th, I'm sure you guys
all know that we're having special town meeting and that's where you guys would show up to vote in favor or not in favor of the moratorum. Uh if the moratorum is approved at special town medium meeting, it's immediately effective. We have to then send it to the attorney general's
office. The attorney general typically has 90 days to review it and get back to us. So in that 90-day period, moratorium is in full effect. Uh sometimes the attorney general's office will reach out to our legal counsel to ask for an extension to continue to review it. And
so it could be more than 90 days, but as long as it's under review, it's in effect in the town. >> Any other comments, Lisa? >> I just wrote a little something. do your name and 117 Chest Road.
Good evening. Um here tonight as a concerned citizen to speak in strong support of supposed moratorium with the influx of commercial solar and best projects with the vote looming on the 17th. I urge you to see this as a vital bridge to smarter, more sustainable
planning. Let's be clear, opposing moratorum now is profoundly shortsighted. Our lives haven't kept pace with rapid changes around us. Without this pause, we're rushing into decisions that could lock us into outdated rules and unchecked expansions
for years to come. This moratorum provides us with the gift of time. This is not a stance against green energy. It's a strategic reset. It allows us to convene experts, gather input, and craft bylaws that truly reflect Lambert's
values, prever preserving our rural term while welcoming thoughtful growth. True progress demands preparation. This could be the key uh to bylaws that serve everyone for decades. I implore you to vote yes on the 17th and give land
breathing room it deserves. Thank you. I have a letter here from another resident that's out of town that that I'll read um who sent to the planning board. U this is from Gilmore Gregory 84 Chester
Road. Uh we are out of town indefinitely unable to attend in person the upcoming public meeting. We understand that by not writing and expressing our opinions will be considered as no opposition. First, we'd like to give our
wholehearted appreciation all the members of planning board for all the work and dedication you all gives of our town daily. As long as residents of Lford and the abutters of 89 chest mode done for project, we would like to express our opposition to additional
commercial solar arrays of any kind as well as bests. We are 100% support of a moratorum to give the town committees that are working so hard time to consider and fully investigate these projects as well as review of the town's
bylaws to regulate solar and vest. These projects were to be permitted. We would highly recommend that all wells within a onem radius of each project be tested and paid for by the developer. We also
recommend that market analysis of all home homes within a onem radius be appraised also at the cost of the development. Further, the town needs to an insurance policy to protect the town from any disaster.
Thank you for your time expect. the only communications I I got. Anybody any other comments? Uh I' I'd just like to make just a quick comment on this. Just clarify that this this
moratorium is during this mortorium we'll be working hard if we if we approve moratorium get it be working hard to change the bylaws to protect the town. I think we're we're way behind the a wall on this stuff. I
think every town in the region is um small towns got taken by surprise. Nobody saw this coming and it's just it's been coming in. It's huge. It's like nonstop now. Um
we I believe I've been a resident of this town for 32 years. We live in this town because we like this town the way it is. We've invested in the town. We paid our taxes in this town. have bought property in this town. Very few town residents
were a town of, 1216 people, I think. We like it the way it is. It's rural. It's wooded. It's forested. It's clean. We have clean water. We have clean wells. We have
an infrastructure that takes care of the small population that we have. We have uh the only real road that's a highway or even built like it is 23 whereas our side roads are dirt roads. So we we
definitely need some bylaws to protect our town and and manage what's what's happening. I don't think we're going to I don't personally I don't have a problem with solar. think solar's it's okay and it's
it's good for the environment and all but placed just anywhere right now our town is said before in the uh in the article 90% agriculture which opens up our town 90% of our town to
large scale solar so we're going to just try to make some zoning bylaws to protect town and manage So the town can benefit from anything that we any kind of new changes that we get.
Any other comments, sir? >> Hi, my name is Al Blake and I'm the chair of Planning North and Ily agree with what you're trying to do. My question is that state mandated bylaws
for solar and and battery is not due until the end of March. So my question is how we and have to abide by those by those new bylaws that are coming out. So that only gives you
two months, three months in order for you to come up with a new set of bylaws to get those. I was just curious if you thought about that. Obviously included that. >> We we think about that. We think about this all the time. Yes. Um we know that
times it it it moves along pretty quick. We got taken by surprise. We really have no choice but to move fast, move as fast as we can and as intelligently as we can and make up some bylaws that are fair and
can protect our town and try to get them through. The process that this stuff goes through is it has to go to the AG some sometimes several times back and forth. Um, we're going to do the best we can.
That's all we can do is the best that we can. >> I'm just curious if you thought about the moratorum that's longer than we're thinking about making till the end of next year. >> Yeah, >> from our legal council. They said that
to get a moratorium passed, if you're putting it for a year, it's likely going to get under deck. So that was >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> So we're put to task. So we're going to try to work hard and fast and um do the
best we can and >> Sarah Main Street. Um I just want to thank the boards for all their hard work. I know it's been difficult. I've been through a lot of these meetings and it's exhausting just ending and trying
to keep up. Um, and I just urge our residents to look at this moratorum as a whether you're for against indifferent, it's a it's a due diligence. We want to do the right thing and this gives our boards who everybody has a
life job. We we get that you're busy and I think we'll give you time to work on this and I just hope that citizens of the town show up and vote in to support our boards and just to do the right thing for
[Music] >> uh I'm David Johnson 26. I chair the packet conservation commission and so I'm here because we're having the same conversations going on. It's the same excuse.
They have the same concerns and that our you know our our land is a little bit different because we don't have a lot of farming land and we have population of 1800 we have 20 wet legs and spawns and we just have a lot of forest and you
know when I moved here eight years ago I didn't realize the virtue of slice and it's really a special place and I am from soul I have solar panels I like to put on my house but I can't find a person to put them up because they're all employed by the solar company. So,
it's kind of a a French too. Uh but I I'm we're really interested on what's going to happen here and we had a meeting today and uh we wanted more tour because this is coming so fast and I cheered couple of meetings on this uh
we've done three meetings on a couple of projects and the way I set it up is what if we get this right and we don't know what right is because we haven't had to deal with getting hit. We've got four
applications that are coming to us and and we're we don't have we don't have the regulations. We don't have the bylaws to really protect the land. The water resources the way that we work. So I just want you to know that we are pro
solar but we've got to have smart solar. We got a really good projects that blend in with nature and really don't destroy the habitat because it's not about the trees, it's about the animals, it's about birds, it's about the soil.
Anyways, you're going to be listening and we're going to follow and do the same thing. We're working on it. >> Any other comments will be here first? >> Cynthia car 101 Chester Road. I deleted
you snail mail. But concerning the upcoming discussion on solar invest moratorium in this town, I would like you all to know we're all very concerned with the projects being planned for this town without us being prepared. The moratorium would give our committee at
least a little bit of a chance to tighten up our bylaws and decide exactly where and when we want to allow these things or not to be placed and regulated. Our town's running on very short staff and they need every minute they can get with all the help they can get to investigate before we allow these
corporate projects to fulfill those over our wonderful country town. There are two different versions of green. One of them made a major as it is for our posterity to enjoy and another one slightly misguided attempt at the expense of the people of this town. I
appreciate all your work to investigate and put this one through. and see what we can do. >> Any other comments? >> Uh, Dutch Shirley Bl um the zoning board and the uh
the Bible, are they one committee? Are they one in the same committee or are you are you the planning board? Really the zoning board? >> No, we're we're the we're the planning board. We >> So we actually have a zoning board.
>> Well, there's a zoning board of appeals. Don't ask me what they >> um the bylaws are are part of the planning of the town. So it goes through the planning board. So we have people or is are you the people
doing the Bible? >> We will be. Yes, >> you are. >> We have other people in town helping us with by with the Bless. Um there's some people in this room that are helping. So
we will uh yeah we we want some inclusion. We want something like this. Yeah, >> it's important we get this right. >> Sorry, Brian Gan 124 Lford. Um, you must also have um resources for either other
towns that are further ahead of us in creating bylaws like this. So, it's not like you you have to necessarily start from scratch, right? There must be some other towns that are out in front of us on forming bylaws to control the the activity or the application process.
>> Unfortunately, not really. Um, this whole process uh has come about pretty quickly or all particularly western mass the hilltowns. Um, and I don't believe we got gentlemen here from Beckett and I don't and I've
heard from other people in other Hilltowns um, a little bit farther north that weren't prepared. Um, I actually talked to a woman at a conference I went to there. Her town had no solar bylust.
So, it's it's rather new for these small towns of Western Mass. Any other comments? >> Okay, I'm I'd like to make one more comment. I just want to say because there's some
gentlemen here from Blue Wave that it would have been really nice for a developer like Blue Wave to get on board with the towns and help the towns develop reasonable
development of these solar fields instead of just coming into town and and sticking them wherever they can. with consideration for the town. You folks are here. You look around this
room. These are residents of this town. This is a small town. You're a developer of this stuff. I I would have hoped that the state and the developers would have been invested in the towns, too.
I went on your website this morning. I got your mission statements and all this other stuff that you put out. about uh working with communities. I haven't seen it. I mean, I've been on the board
from now for about a year and we've been dealing with this stuff for at least 6 months and I I just haven't seen any help, any assistance, any expert advice on any of that stuff. Um,
it it would be nice some sort of collaboration with the towns with your expertise. That's all I want to say. >> Any more comments? No. Oh, great. >> Green chart. Again, I just want to say
if this does happen to go through, which is a possibility, we want to make sure our bylaws are strict and that they continue to everything possible to make sure that everything that goes on is safe and that our residents are taken care of because
there's a possibility that it could pass no matter what we do. But our bylaws will keep us a lot safer. So, uh, it takes time and it takes a lot of energy, but they are working on them. And I know this and like I say, we're going to make
them as tight as we possibly can in case this happens because it very well could. I know uh Lisa and myself went to Oakam and uh they were in front of the board and we could ask them for a meeting and
they had all their eyes dotted and their teeth crossed and uh we could put up a fight. It will take a while but this is a possibility. Just because we change our bylaws does not mean it's not going to be easy and we have to face this.
It is a possibility. But if we stick together as a community and we get the help that we need and the people are invested in this, we could put up a really good fight. Any other any other comments? Seeing none,
I'll close the hearing and we're going to go back to the plan board meeting and open any board discussion. Any discussion board members? >> Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> Stephen. They're all bigger than I think that's very [Music] I'm going to pass this [Music] that's minutes for September 25th. Pass
them around. Sarah. >> Okay. >> Sarah, if they're September 25th, they certainly are. >> Good evening. >> Thank you so much. We can we just got this.
>> Okay. >> So, >> I just got to catch myself up. We didn't do any of that. Greg made a motion. >> I didn't think we got everybody.
Okay, we got it. before sign. No two steps. >> Oh. Oh, we got to get two. >> No. Okay. So >> again, we're doing a vote to hearing
I will ask. >> Okay. So, the discussion is >> I'm sorry. I'm just typing what everyone said. >> Okay. That's okay. We'll we'll we'll wait. >> Minute. One minute.
>> Okay. Oh, you have that one. I didn't >> Oh, also that whole thing that you read at the beginning, I only copied and pasted from the um notice that we posted.
>> So that whole big thing, can I copy that so I can Yeah. >> Okay. I I got that off the website. >> That's uh the notice for the special committee. >> Okay.
>> That's what Yeah, I I was going to brush it >> because that was nice and it summed everything up really much better than what we had. >> Yeah. I just I I read it this morning.
>> She loved it. So they fall asleep. They're still recording. Watch your >> I see you. >> I don't know. >> So are you ready?
>> No, that was a whole bunch of language that I was referring. >> I guess I'm ready. >> I read your lips >> in your mind. >> More likely. Don't look at me in that tone like >> but >> um
so uh I guess it's just letters. >> You did? >> Yes, I put I put Greg Gutfield instead of Greg. >> She was mad at me today. >> Gosh, I was trying to That's not that
bad. I've been called a lot worse than that. >> That's a stage name. >> I bet these spell >> you did. Thank you. >> I screwed up his name. I I left the phone. Yeah. So, um
so as far as uh voting to approve or disapprove this temporary moratorum, I I guess we'll do a roll call vote. Um
all in favor of approving moratorium. disapprove. Anybody disapprove? >> Greg Garfield. >> Okay, got to sign. But the rock type it up in
scratch and break my name initial. >> Will that work? >> It will work. >> It's being with my husband from the caring right. He's not happy.
>> That's a long, >> but at least it's not going to go to >> Austin. I'll drive. No, sorry. >> Lucky I just had to drive Terry down the street. Lookite
>> make a copy of >> the gentleman from Becket uh said that they were redoing bylaws on state level that you so so could could we tap into that to see to avert making some
mistakes expose the word. >> Yeah, we're trying to follow that. So, it's in it's in a constant transition. I had one of those I can't when it comes to acronyms names of committees I can't but we had
many meeting last night to help with bylaws and uh we talked about and we saw some of the draft stuff and I'll send it to you what I had. The problem is as they go along and Sarah can probably tell you the same
thing. >> Uh the town send in stuff that they want to propose him from the farmhouse and the attorney general says you do that. So that's why you have to
say, you know, we're doing a 9, but they kind of bounce their requests with their demands and they they make the adjustments and the adjustments will go way past that.
damages two or three months that really >> before that that the state >> station and and they're always check >> after the state breaks were done for the
ADUs they changed them >> so stuff we have for >> really >> even though they're not not really a by So all this all the ADU laws that the state said supersede all the by now
they're superseding their own >> Yeah. >> They do it regularly. >> Yeah. So we could put a bylaw in now. That's that's in blood >> and approval >> and and given the approval from the state
>> and we're the attorney general's already done and then the next month, next day they could say, >> which is so much fun when you spend a lot of time crafting and and writing. And then people got too many too much
wiggle room like >> no we had it really tight but the state wiggled. We need >> we weren't going to get anything if we won against really >> I'm not anti green energy but the state
is in that directionless >> they are. That's why what I said in the end I just can't believe that >> Lewis they give them >> Yeah. >> Yeah. to come out here and they are
pushed. >> Yes. >> Because they don't want the land in eastern part of the state but they need the >> there's wasted land out there. I don't that's the part I don't get. There's brown fields here. Just what
>> those windows got influence. >> I know. Putting them on roofs. You even even mass they have a whole parking lot that people love because it's got a roof on it that's solar panels so they don't get rained out when they get out the cars and it's solar panels and it's like
five acres or more. It's >> like what's the matter with doing stuff like that, right? You think Walmart shoppers would love without getting their stuff. Sure. Respect. >> I would have loved getting out of my car tonight here in
there. I know we we could cover this roof. >> I mean, >> I I don't get that part. There are so many places that they could >> instead of the fire department in here in their communities
pretty active. >> Yes. >> Yep. in the water department. >> It's it's it's this we're just praying. >> It's shame because you moved to not too long ago >> for the reason I remember hearing John
saying it. It's beautiful and it's like a hidden part of Massachusetts and you know and the people these people in the state house of Boston they don't realize that they don't care.
They haven't considered us part of the state for >> No, >> since since I was born. >> The money doesn't go on Worcester. No, >> they don't even realize we exist beyond Worester. Yeah. >> No. >> So, what do we do um in terms of input
for by law pertaining to solar? Is that that group that you're a part of? Are you you're hitting that usual? Yeah, we're right now we're
kind of blow rushing the restless right now with the intent I have and all the suggestions and by November 7th
quick and then um discussed and I don't know how they're going to do it. Jackie is kind of leading this and it's kind of it's the whole committee is kind of mishmash. Um it's weird as little as
I know I know more than a lot of people on the committee chatting but it it's an attempt and I'll tell you the last night was the first time the fire chief came was nice and he's pretty sharp guy. Um I don't know. I met him last night. I
sat. So he sending out a um a booop like 10 to 10. There was two people in the room. They knew how to use it. And I was one of them. I don't know how to use it. Terry
Terry showed me how to use it. And what does what does what's his feel about safety, etc. >> He feels like totally unprepared. We talked last night. Um, we're going to
zero in on first. Um I my suggestion was that we have several topics and particularly safety and then break down the subtopics like water. Do we have a
water supply against um contamination of water? So you can take water and you could do safety issues on water. You could probably find have a list of at least 10 things just
on water. Um, you could do safety issues on roads. Are they big enough, wide enough? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Particularly this best that they're doing down here, it's on a hill. It's
just so so kind of doing checklists like that. And um we got to do the same in our decision our decision making. Which should we focus on first? What? >> Well, we need to focus on the decision
before he was brook chest road that's coming up 25th of November. Oh, just let me just step aside for a second. Tell you those two guys
and I think that was their lawyer guy. Like I can tell that that's expensive gloss. It smell like money. Um
and I I I asked I was I was is that K? >> I don't know. >> Oh. So anyways, I asked him and so I sent them an email that'll be on the
agenda next week and your attorney called our attorney >> not only wanting to be on the agenda tonight, wanting to be on the agenda preceding the year. >> Yep.
to to submit this stuff before before Aaron the guy was in here told me they wanted to get it in before special >> if it's
just so that's why they Otherwise I would confer to >> and that submission isn't retroactive regarding the moratories that >> no >> no >> no >> no
>> so if if if it's been presented it's it's it's in >> this is what I got a letter I got I had I had um Christina clarify it I I got I got an email back.
I got an email two days ago to have put them on the agenda from Christine said the town attorney said I didn't know that town attorney. So I can't hear I asked her what's going
on in here. Well, he got a call from their attorney and um they our our attorneys thought it would be like we're putting them off. So, um just put them on here.
So I don't know what ensued especially but anyways I asked Christina u yesterday I I sent her an email and I said I'd like to clarify exactly when this moratorium will take effect when so
it'll take effect right after but the things that are we're working on right now those increase or when mortorium was off the new bylaws won't apply.
They'll still be under the oil bindings these two projects. So, so are we under the constraints of the >> 25th 25th? Um, >> no, we we're we're not
to lawyers, but I would still like to get the decision done, conditions written up, decision written. I talked to um Aiden last week was made. I don't remember everything
on vacation probably and anyways he's going to come and I told him we would like to have it done and the decision end. >> I think we can do that.
Wonder project hasn't stopped >> right >> whether we have because there's more children >> or not because >> or not for not I would ask the team to
show opinion because over time make different ideas >> but obviously depend >> yeah I I would hate I would hate for the morator
to happen and then Tom Collison say oh gez we made a mistake so that that deadline still then They approved by >> no conditions. >> No conditions. >> Well, isn't that why we're meeting this
week? >> Yeah. >> Yes. So, um that document that you said would be put bunch of stuff in there between now and Tuesday >> entire decision. >> Yeah.
We just I just think we just need the hard work hard and get get those conditions in and get ready for decision if we have to decision. >> I have a copy of the decision. I have copy of decision
for say 89 Chester Road 2019 >> that I got from I got a plane. >> I wanted I wanted some examples. So he said I got one from but they didn't they walked away.
No was No, this this was for >> Oh, you were you were >> that was a potato. >> Yeah, >> we didn't have anything to do with that. Um
>> Oh. Oh, really? >> Wasn't Why are they plugging in? >> Because he's been looking for somebody this agricultural group. Otherwise, that would be horrible. only thing that's pushing me and the
states pushing it because it's deemed culture. It's a temple. They weren't getting the screen that would be horrible. It's still but >> hey
we should start today that research that when they didn't subvision applications like that the applicants supposed to show up don't show up at
this >> it's they have to. >> So the applicant should have been Martin and my depends on how is he still?
>> Yes. No excuses people. So I'll look at it again tomorrow. just wish >> you asked for that states constantly in
transition and I think my radical theory start these people are pushing me in that's typical government business
and just to earlier I mentioned um under lease arrangements right okay that lease is where it is says the property
owner isn't going to be responsible for anything that happens. Okay. You know, only Blue Wave was going to be responsible. And I'm thinking, you know, two years from now, Blue Wave ain't going to be involved there. It's going to be another company. >> I mean, they switch all the time
>> and if something happens or whatever, the town's got to go chase through whoever it is, right? >> Can it be worded so property owner is still can be held responsible?
Can we ask that to be in as a set of conditions? >> It can't be worded in there >> correctly because there's a shy bond. They put up put up a sizeable decommissioning bond and and all that
sort of for that reason. But in >> in the building the state, you know, like as far as like dazzling contamination at the store and it wasn't my problem was before me,
right? But if he doesn't take care of it, they're coming after me. I don't know. That is a legal question because that his his lease agreement wasn't his application was in there. His words were in that he's released from
any liability. But I mean, um, the town should be able to request that used to what? >> We got several properties list. >> They don't look at that guy.
I think that's all almost that paperwork is for the time to end the time. >> Yeah. For themsel that should come from books you don't
>> we don't get it we're supposed to get we don't >> we can ask but I would probably come in handy to look at past conditions where they went wrong where we could beat those up
>> when they were asking that we should and we got dumped While this was supposed to be in so many court of appeals, it used to be that they would
tell us we need something for they they would tell us and then we would work in there. But we but we we got this time really
these kind of transactions before they should be >> we're supposed to point in what roads where the where the industrial sector is and the business district is that That's one thing
>> and the size and you know >> we already did that defined all that >> that's that's in the >> we've already defined all that >> we've already done that for commercial there's maps and everything >> not not industrial
>> we have residential we have lawn pond >> yes >> but we do not commercial we do not have industrial industrial park >> right beside the dirt bike >> that up for a boat. Oh yeah. Then you
get pins like >> you ask that every time >> right on your turn bridge on the right hand side. She was one of She keeps she keeps sending you letters, but you >> guys don't know how to even
it worth finding out if if the the two folks needed to be here for this visit because that could slow down us accepting these things. It could be negate
which you find this was in our it's in our book. I got my book here, but it was consult division. And yeah, was it was in there that
I think. Okay, another thing that I think was thought about this a lot. The town appropriated $200,000. They really need to hire some professionals to help us. And last night,
Jack asked me what I thought. I said, "Yeah, I mentioned this week." Yes, you do. Um, and Adam's feeling was, "Well, they just take the money and don't do anything."
put them on a contract, a small contract like we have PBC $5,000 as as needed. If they're not performance, put somebody else. Otherwise, you know, you you hire a consultant, they suck all the money out
of you and then they disappear. Nothing gets done. We need people to get stuff done. >> That's why we went to PBBC because Paul used to Um but that wasn't good.
Somebody else went to PBC he wrote the um updated we still haven't updated it approved it um the subdivision bylaws 2019 he came
in with a whole a whole thing that happened um updating it. no forms but updating the laws and then saying we needed to adjust our fees and sort of um and he did a really good job.
>> That was an independent plan and they do have independent but they're all for the money we keep. >> Yeah. very expensive and >> house
200,000. Yeah, they take it to hire to help out. You stop saying that you can't find something that must
>> the problem we got when you know we could go and >> usually there's a multi- town pilot program where we work together
um and one person like Ken goes to these towns. He also goes he has all the connections to Boston state parks and stuff like that and he gets a feedback for all students and
that's why we were having first soul around him because all the times around you were the same soul six And
they that's when they wrote the bylaws, but mainly because that's probably that's why all are so similar. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. But you also have to get them through Boston release.
>> Yes. You know, >> you can put in a million conditions. >> They get it. >> Yeah. >> And this is what you can put in. And it's half of what you're >> is coming on that committee that
>> got influence there. The only reason I The only reason I'm asking is because personally PBC PVPC has been very beneficial to us as far as instruction and advice,
but we have people residents like sabotaging our referrals. You know, we we say we're really happy with PVPC. They've done everything we've asked them to do. they're paid by the state and they're going to go after, you know,
like it's just this whole conspiracy situation. So, my question was going to be, is this committee able to define someone we could refer to, you know, or
are they going to vet these people or, you know, is this just going to be, okay, planning board, here's yet another task for you to take care of? I think I think I I think that we should be
interviewing anybody that's going to be planning with this life board. I've never charged with money. We we kind of got an idea where the problem with that. So, you got you
got some radicals. You got Thank goodness. >> I mean, I guess we're already doing bylaws, which are our jobs. We're battling these two projects with the Gibbs Brook and the People's Brook. We're dealing with the
moratorum. Now, we are the five of us are responsible for interviewing and choosing a proper I I would I would do it with one other person and and somebody from the flight board if it would help us and and take a
lot of that work. >> Well, I mean, if if PBPC has been a good advisor, >> I think I think they I think they have. >> Why wouldn't we just I don't know. >> Yeah.
>> You know, we'll see how that see how that works. I just I'll give you an answer on that take on see I think I don't think I I really like Ken the
guy. I just don't think TBC thinks out of the box and not that not that it would work. They they know what works and what doesn't work in the state, but they kind of they're kind of bottled up in that kind of
that's kind of my take. I I do like them. I think they know what they're doing. They can write this stuff for us. We have ideas. We're going to use them. We got Aiden now. He told me last week he said he
really doesn't have much experience. So he's in a big learning curve with I said that's okay. >> So are we >> I know the >> same thing. Let me ask but he's got Ken for backup and Ken's pretty knowledge. >> Yeah. Actually reviewing the notes
today. I realized that you were waiting on an answer from him. something with Kyle in the minutes. So, we approved I think it's from the pet said she would check with Ken and defer back.
>> She's thinking she has to go home. >> No, I I don't have that opinion at this point. I think I'm not crazy about and the amount of work that can stop right now who's who's just
totally flattering. >> Yes. >> Um they may not be our best >> for a short, you know, it's a shortterm thing, >> right? >> And and I think that we need to look at
what other towns are doing if we can get a >> That's my feeling. I think somewhat more adventurous I guess you could say than they're following temples. >> Well, they're they're bureaucratic.
>> They are. >> They also know what's failed everywhere. >> They do. >> They they've already dealt with it in this town. And this is what the attorney general said about that when they tried that.
So they know they know that do this back >> so somebody to attorney general personal prepared if they know he's >> Ken also had a lot of contact with the
state reps and and and what he he dealt with them a lot but they'll experience need somebody that just regular contact follow.
>> Maybe there's people that do have contacts Jack sent me a list and asked me to find enough. That was my point about
>> Are they Are they from small towns or big timings? I don't >> I don't know. I just looked at the list. They're all like commercial planners and offices. >> No, but I don't cam this big thing right
now. Um, I just have some contacts people there. So, that might not be a bad place to follow up in there. Any of these towns Becca came in. They're way behind us.
>> Such they were well they were doing well. >> They heard a guy was the head of Platin board. He was the chair at Platin board. >> Becket. Beck said that they had >> they had their own plan.
>> They did. >> They have a really >> they got three applications. >> No. Yes. Three applications. >> And there waves just crushing. >> They're literally just going right along. Yeah.
I move to close the meeting. Thank everybody. >> Sure. >> Just message. That's a morning meeting. >> Yeah, it'll be a morning meeting. Okay. Is that okay? >> What was it? 11. >> 10.
That's >> I'm working Monday. Sarah, >> are you working now? >> Monday night. >> Oh, >> I told you I was available. Yes. >> So, Tuesday here?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I love you. You look like the Bordon's fishes. >> I grew up on frozen fish stickicks on Friday. So did I. >> I just had salmon three days in a row. I
was whining last week about I really need some salmon. So she brought me a big hunk of salmon and I cooked it up. She didn't want any. She goes, "There you go. Three days." So it last me three days. Where'd you go fishing in a uh Gimble Pond? That's
work.