Everyone, this is special meeting agenda of the Governor Clint Tuesday, June 24th, 2025 at 6 p.m. Please call me to order my flag
[Music] to the flag of the United States of America to the stands. One nation under God indivisible and justice for all. Mayor here. Council Broner present.
Council Katalano here. Counciloman Hudson here. Council Schubert here. Council here. We also have our municipal assistant clerk, business,
and attorney Sam. This is a special meeting was responsible consumer provisions of the open public meetings law. Notice on this meeting was advertised in the Herald News on June 24th, 2025. Notice was also transferred to the record and star letter on June 18 June
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remained continuously posted. Proper notices have been given to municipal clerk is hereby directed to include this statement in the minutes of the meeting. Minutes of this meeting should also reflect the purpose of this meeting. As per state fire code, I am required to
acknowledge that there are two emergency exits in this council chamber. The main entrance to which you enter through and the secondary exit to the left. If there is an emergency, walk orderly to the exit at the Dub door downstairs and out the building. If there are any question,
please raise your hand. See, I need a motion to authorize the administrative assistant Amy Greenman to temporary serve as I have a motion. Second. All in favor? I
before we go to early public comment, I just want um we're going to go into an early executive session. It should not take too long. So, do I have a motion? Second. All in favor? Thank you.
the public knows and we're just John Graciano is on the phone. We're going to add him to the meeting minutes and that is just not this. He's here. Okay. Okay, John.
Okay. Got a motion up early public comment reserve for agenda items. Second. All in favor? Hi. Anyone wishing to come up and we were going to have a public portion of the rest of the first of all. I don't think this according to B is you allowed to have
him on the phone. I verified it with my attorney and yeah I recall by saying no. He's he's Mr. Gratzio is permitted to so long as he listens to the discussions vote on any items that are before him.
The Bist said you can't that you can't that you cannot participate via your phone. That's always been in the Bible. I I can't say that. I'm aware of that. So, and we had numerous meetings during Zoom. That was Zoom meeting. That was
that was different. Okay. Um are you going to permit public comment for the um conservation amended um sale revenue? Um I think it's just the ordinance. The ordinance is where the public. So if you want a question about that. Oh yeah.
[Music] Yeah. That that's um pursuing to the resolution that that basically mirrors the ordinance and it would result in the total purchase price of $6.7 million.
And it would include uh the potential for a industrial type of property up to 220,000 square foot. Uh it may include as well above that price a hotel if that's constructed at a maximum of 127
units. And it also brings the total unit count for the project from 426 to 500 units. But that those additional units are all age restricted units. It also
calls for 6 acres of the property to be restricted from any development. So, and that's that's out of the 12 total additional acres that are being sold or included in the sale, but six of
it will be green or restricted permanent as well. That's those are the material terms of the contract and how it'll be set up. If the warehouse or industrial park or whatever type of use is on the
property for industrial up to 320,000 square ft is not developed on the site then the price would be reduced or corresponding with um a price per square foot. So if only 160,000 square meter
actually built then the price would be a million dollars as opposed to $2 million. If nothing's ever built then there would be no additional dollars that be spent if we still 4.7. Yes. Yes. That part has not changed.
When this other stuff came up with the industrial portion of it that was going to be an additional when it was 320,000 ft. It was additional $2 million to allow them to build 320,000. But what we did to get to the lesser amount, we just took the 2 million
divided to the 320,000 and came up with $625 a square foot. So if they build 100,000, we get 625. Okay. I also recall I can't find your right hand if the hotel is supposed to be 100 units. No, it's a it's a minimum of 100. And the
reason it's a minimum of 100 by law, state law, I think it is, the hotel will be allowed to have a liquor license through the state. It's a maximum of 127 127 in case there was licenses available on it. It's different. It falls under a different
section of liquor licenses. When you build a hotel, the hotel owner can apply for a liquor license, but they have to have a minimum of 100 rooms to back up the need for a liquor license. Okay. I
also question that um [Music] as far as the hotel is concerned it said that if it construct con if you can construct a hotel but then
in the ordinance it goes on to say that there's a contingency of an additional 330,000 paid to the burrow in the event that an extended stay hotel is constructed. Right. They're two different things. Just a hotel. There's a regular hotel and extended hotel. Extended hotel. I can just give her an
example. If I get transferred to an area Oh, I know what it is, but I'm just questioning, but we we've if the hotel is built, we get an additional $330,000 for allowing it, but they still have to go through the process, the planning, and all that stuff. This is these the
hotel and the industrial portion. As I I've said in our redevelopment plan, they are permitted uses. They might not ever be built, but it can be built. All right. So, these these were just
vacant avenues. If somebody wants to come in and build a hotel on that redevelopment plan area, it's allowed. They can't put a hotel on Main Street. That's out of your question. No, what I'm saying is if you look at the ordinance
The bottom of the page it says whereas in the event MT realy partners constructed a hotel site addition $330,000 consideration will be paid to the bur a hotel right then it goes on part of that property right in section one
that with a contingency of an additional 330,000 pages but on the event that an extended stay hotel a hotel and extended state hotel are different they're different so why why does one say hotel and the other says extended step. Is that just a Yeah, I mean you want to
make sure that on a technicality you could build either. So it could be either either one. If either one is built, the burrow needs to get paid,000. Maybe that should be stated because it's it's built. That's content. Which one do you need? I'm reading the ordinance. The
ordinance says [Music] it doesn't specifically say hotel just says hotel say you could say hotel including extended stay just for clarification want to amend it it's it's
fine the object is to make sure that if a hotel is built the bur gets compensated so it's soend close basically one match the other. Yeah. Um I also question that this is I guess
it's still in the ordinance that um that you're saying that the land for the DBW is no longer needed for public use, but you've got people parking trucks all over the town instead of putting them on DBW property. So how can you say it's no longer needed?
Why the 12 acres? Now we're talking about why the DPW guys are taking drugs off. Why they don't leave the property anymore? That's the question. Why they don't leave the property? So we talking 12 acres or we talking about the one 1 12 acres would never be a parking lot
except on the top we have to go up there. Why was it supposed to be why was it said that it was going to be used for DPW? No, the section of the property that's going to be used for the DPW. We just put a brand new sal. All right. The old salt shed was partially on at that time property. We did a land lot
adjustment. So now we incorporated the soul shed and be behind that into the DPW lot that's in that lot and we expanded the DPW property to make sure the soul shed and the work we had to do behind it. So now that's incorporated
into that building lot. So that's basically all we did which was 2 1.35 by 8 acres. Yeah. And then the remaining property that the remaining 12 acres is not needed for public use. It's it's
it's not utilized by by the burrow. It was obtained by basically lands from binar. So there's no other utility for it but to be transferred and developed or sold.
So there's no development. And all we're doing is building 500 units. We're only going to get 4.7. Correct. Correct. Whereas 2015, we were going to have it at 360 minutes. Correct. Was estimated that we was going
to get 10 million. It was estimated back then we were going to get 10 million. But as I said at the last meeting is if Tilcon went in there and did what they normally do last rock and it was made what we call what well Tilcon can't do it they don't make things buildable they
blast rock and they take it so that they do make things buildable they did it for the fire department they did it for the firehouse I'm just telling their but they told us their normal thing is not to build to what a developer wants the fire department they just took the rock out they didn't take it all out that's why the firehouse is not um paralle
Well, with doing that, they had to put it sideways because they couldn't take the rest of the rock out. So, they saved us $750,000 by coming in and black and making it for the developer to come in and make it buildable. The developer did that. Tilcon just took the rock in the back house. All right. I remember back
then because Bill Steak got it done through through Tila before our time up here. But Tilcon donated the property, paid us 2.4 million for Hall Road. So, you can add that to the 4.7. So they can take the rock from there
from whoever blast it, the developer back into Tilcon and then they crush the stone whatever they get and they give us 77,500 tons back as part of the deal. That stone has a worth
$19 times 77,500 tons. So that's that has a great a great value. All right. Um, yeah. So, Bloomingdale would would get that stone. They're going to give it to us as we needed it. They donated the property
because you took on last. They didn't do it for any other reason but that. Well, whatever they did, of course, we got a piece of property and we're hopefully going to be able to get some tax revenue out of it. 4.7 million. That's the price, the selling price. Now, if they
put a hotel up there and if they put um the hotel is separate from what you had said 1.9 million, is that going to be part of part of a pilot program? Jim, right now that has not been negotiated. There's no pilot on the hotel portion at this point. That will be decided if they build a hotel
[Music] 77 Charles Street. Um yeah, I'm a little bit of an idealist. Um I love this town. Just curious the 12 acres that Tilcon that we got from Tilcon. You said there was going to be six that was not going to 44 acres total that we got about
round numbers. Okay. Okay. So we've separated there's 12 acres that sits behind DPW which there wetlands up there and whatever. Okay. The project for the residential will be to the left where if you're facing you're in the DPW where the houses came down. That's where the
residential would go behind that residential there to the left of that corner of that property or 7 acres of property. We're keeping 7 to six acres green. All right. Six six acres green. They can't do anything with that. So that's going to stay as is.
So the 12 acres is part of the the bigger piece. That's part of the big I guess my question is I and I understand everything comes down to money. I I get that whole point, but there's nowhere that they would be able to build for the
residents couple of extra fields, uh a municipal complex, residential complex, you know, some sort of a senior recreation center. There's nothing that it's all residential. It's all been taken out. I just It's not taken out. I mean, you can't they got to build to
what they they sell. And to be honest with you, you'll never make a field on top of rock. But even if you lay that's what he was saying before. You can't lay down your turf. You can't put things down there to make a field on top of it. An astro turf field. That was my question. Just so much has
been going on here and it seems like the residents and a lot of residents are upset that nothing's being given back to us, you know, and they they're looking for something. So, no, I I I'll disagree with that. We've done so much work in our fields. I mean, we just put a million two playground. Okay. We're
doing another We're doing another one down at the laser. Our fields are the best fields in the area. We take care of them. They're used every day. Yes, you're right. And now more than anyone. I understand that. Hopefully, hopefully, wait for one second. Hopefully, when a
county builds the park on the horse, from what I was told, they're going to meet with the three towns around it and see what we want there. That's furbish put fields if we're able to do that. Absolutely. Will they put turf? I don't know. Usually when this comes to county parks, they like to keep things natural.
Um but you know, I know I can tell you up in um Garrett Mountain and um Rifle Camp Park, G especially, there's there's there's fields in there. We walk there all the time. So that is my long-term
vision. Um no, our fields, trust me, as head of the wreck. I know how nice our fields are and I know that they're utilized and that's why I'm looking for just a little bit more since something was being done. Could we add more? Could we add more to it? Could we add do something for something more? So, I mean
my I told you my only dream was to build a rec center. I mean that's we should have a real true rec center. Should be a community center with both the seniors and us are both are both in the same and everybody can do it. But I believe it really should be closer to and I always said it should be at a school field. So
when you're doing a recck program, you're running stuff in. The kids can go out. We're on a summer rec program. It shouldn't be up in the mountain somewhere. It should be where they can go out and play the field and have organized stuff going on for the kids and seniors too. They like to walk the walking path over there, you know. Yeah.
Um for sure. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. the mayor. I think it's important to note that if the project is developed to fruition, the minimum payments would be about a million4 on the residential. So there's that
hopefully you can always at your discretion direct that to you know improvements and recreation and things like that. Like you said on the site it doesn't seem to fit as well but somewhere else in town that's in the budget. I do have two questions.
um with the the pilot money that I've mentioned that you are getting we are getting um is that what of that are we giving to the school what what
first of all we have to get the contract right get this all done we've been and I think Mike and Dave have a meeting with the school on Thursday on Thursday um we have to figure out what's going to happen with the schools. We have no plan. I always
told the school and I've said it probably will be here until I have a signed contract and what we're going to get. How can I tell you what I'm going to give you if anything? But we will help the school. We said that for the addition that we would partner with them and try to help them out as much as we can. It's our job. All right? It all
comes from the same people. So, and I know people think pilot's like the dirty word. All right? But people will not build anywhere and you can ask any other town. Pilots are the way developers are building. They want a
pilot to lower their taxes, but in the long run, if you say no, you get zero dollars. So it does it really make a difference if we take in $1.4 million in taxes from that property and we utilize it for our
taxpayers or the school get school has to be utilized for our taxpayers. Okay, it's one bill that comes to your house. It's broken out, but it's one bill. We all have to pay that total bill. Pay my taxes in my house for $14,000 on a on a small threebedroom lake. I mean, I pay
the same rate as everybody else. But if we can control our taxes here, which we've done a really good job with over the time that I believe since we've been here on the municipal side, um we're giving back to the taxpayer. Look what we've done as a council. previous
councils from when Ray and I got on it in 2012 until we are here today. All the stuff that we accomplished in town. I mean, I see nothing but compliments about the the the the new playground. And Mike being the VA
going out and finding grants and doing all that stuff um to pay for that. So, there is no cost for taxpayers. We're doing a playground at the laser and if we get the we're able to work that money, there'll be no cost to the taxpayers. Yeah. roads that I get a lot of like some of the feedback
from you know the feedback I get is that they're in this town because they like it and they're okay with paying the taxes and I don't get that. Well, you know, and
we're they're paying a lot of taxes now and you know, maybe not whatever 10 years from now, but I was you're saying that there's not going to be a lot of children at this particular cup and then the other ones that we have to build. It just seemed like um I did say there wasn't going to be a lot. You asked me
about the 55 or older. That's what you asked me about. And I said the 55 or older in the 55y old development, they don't allow kids. All right. I just I can only give the example. My parents lived to live down the shore when they were when they were alive and my sister
lives there. They are 55 or older. Their grandkids can only come for a certain amount of time. Then they have to get out. They can't be permanent residents in a 55 or older the way it's been is set up and that's the way this is being set up. They have to have their own entrance. They have to have their own stuff. They can share a pool or stuff
like that they can do, but they have to have their own away from the kids. Mr. Mr. Just as a point, did we close really public? No, I want to get up again. No, not yet. Sorry, not yet. So, no, it's okay. We're talking about this. That's what we're That's fine.
Okay. I I I'm a little concerned, a lot concerned that the um pilot for just the housing is going to be 1.4 million, right? Okay. And in 2015, this was looked at. I'm sure the
appraised value of this property is going to be more than it was for the 360 units. And at that point, the amount of tax revenue is expected was 1.8 million. And that's at the 2015 tax rate. Now, the our tax rate now is even higher. So,
we're losing out using the pilot program by about 500 grand. You might be, but if you're talking regular taxes versus the pilot, correct? But as I said before and I've talked to many developers, all right,
the developers when they come in, we got asked today about another area of town that somebody might be developing about a pilot. Developers will not build in a town unless you offer a pilot to them. So either you don't build, which that's
what you want, you want and you get zero, or you have to work with them to get something in. I think we're doing really well at 1.4 million when this is constructed. And we're going to be getting x amount how much beforehand.
Um it'll be 100,000 $25,000 a quarter. A quarter. And if it stays green, if it stays trees before they build until it's done, we're going to start collecting money for that, too. But the 1.4, that's the minimum. That's the minimum payment for the pilot.
That's not a fixed number. So that only comes to about $2,300 a month in rent. If the rent exceeds that on average, let's say nowadays, right, that number, let's just say it's $2,800 a month, then
that number is going to be very close to the million8 or $2 million, whatever it might be. It it will always be able to go up if the rents increase. The important thing about the four is if for some reason whatever happens in the
market there's a problem the burrow is guaranteed that payment. So so that's a that 1.4 would just be a minimum that's the good news [Music] anyone else
see no one motion close second. All in favor Mr. May just in in li of some of the public comments and what we discussed, could we re-enter executive session for a brief moment? A moment
just a motion to enter re-enter executive session for a brief moment. So moved. Second. All in favor contract negotiations. Contract negotiations. Can you guys just step out
for a little bit, please? Be very brief. Second. All in favor? I [Music] Okay. Special business. Second final reading of public hearing ordinance number 15-2025 authorizing the sale of property known
as block 5105, lot 1401. Another statement, please. Yes, Mr. Mayor. This ordinance is closed in the municipal building, published in the Hall of News, and copies will be made available to the public so that a motion may be made that be read by title. Have a motion to read by title.
Second. All in favor? I [Music] an ordinance to the Bur of Bloomingdale in the county of state and state of New Jersey authorizing the sale of property known as block 5105, lot 14.01. Have a motion to open up public hearing.
So move. All in favor? I wish to come up again. Again, I'm wearing on my welcome. And that ladies and have you changed the um the hotel and the state hotel
ordinance uh before final vote. Yes, I would recommend [Music] we close public hearing then I'll do it before. Okay. Can I have a motion? Anyone else? See no one have a motion to
post public hearing. So second. All in favor? I we're going to have a motion for adoption. But before we do that, we're going to amend it to to reflect that it would say a hotel or an extended stay. Okay. So on both sections, right?
Okay. That would be accepted first. The amend the amendment that first. Yeah. Just all in favor of the amendment. Okay. Do I have a motion to accept the amendment to change to change from in the two sections to make it hotel or
extended stay? So moved. Second. All in favor? I Okay. Do a motion for adoption. So move. Second. Roll call.
[Music] Broners. Yes. Catalano. Yes. Garziano. Yes. Hudson. Yes. Schubert. No. Gassy. Yes. Okay. Item B. Consideration of amended
sale agreement between Bloomingdale and Mnt Realy Partners. Do I have a motion? Second. Um, roll call, please. Thank you, Mayor. Before the roll book, may I ask just for an amendment that states that the mayor and shall have the right to make
nonsubstantial changes to to the agreement, not material terms such as price and things like that, but if there's any, you know, minor language changes to the agreement before it's executed that the mayor be authorized and that just be as
part of the the resolution of approval as amended. I'd make that motion especially in consideration of the discussions that we had in executive [Music] second. Yeah, just for just for the amendment.
So we have a motion second. Dave second it. Okay. All in favor? Hi. Um, [Music]
you want us to motion? You had a motion. It was amended. So now you can just have you're up to the roll call the resolution. Catalano. Yes. Rosanna. Hudson. Yes. Jubert, no. Gassy, yes. Rockers,
yes. Okay. All right. Thank you all. Um, have a motion up late public. Second. All in favor? I just got to get you a chair. I know. You just see closer.
I am very close. No, I like that. I like that. your seat. Um, since this agreement has been made, I don't just know if there's anything that was in executive session that was discussed that was that address was changed on this. Um, no, there's at this
point, no, it's just a question for clarification. And again, if there is a change, it won't be a substantial change. Not like any material terms or anything of that nature. Just a discussion about the contract negotiating. [Music]
Anyone else? Seeing no one motion to close. All in favor? A motion? Motion to adjourn. So move. Second. All in favor? I. Thank you all for coming out. I appreciate