Good evening everyone. This is a regular meeting agenda the governing body of the bureau of Bloomingdale. Um Tuesday, June 17, 2025 at 7 p.m. close me to my seat. I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Call. Mayor Dada here. Councilman Broner
present. Councilman Kalanada here. Councilman Graiano here. Councilwoman Hudson here. Councilwoman Schubert here. Councilman Yazi here. We we also have our fill in administrative assistant Andy Greenspan,
business administrator to Michael Sandomire, Burough Attorney Fred Samura. This meeting is called pursuant to the provisions of the open public meetings law. Adequate notice of this meeting was advertised in the Herald News on January 9th, 2025. Copies were provided to the
local news media and posted contingency in the municipal building. A copy of this notice is available to the public and on file in the office of municipal clerk. As per state fire code, I am required to acknowledge that there there are two emergency exits in this council chambers. The main entrance which you
enter through and the secondary exit to the left of where I am seated. If there is an emergency, work orderly to the door uh to the exit. Exit through the door down the stairs and out the building. If there's any questions, please raise your hand. Seeing none, uh, I need a motion to
authorize administrative assistant Amy Greenspan to temporarily serve as municipal clerk for this council meeting. Do I have a motion? Second. All in favor? I. Okay. We do not have any presentations. We do have one non-aggenda item which was just an
overlook which is um it's emergency resolution to um do our temporary appropriations and we'll do that at the end. Okay. Um, got a motion for early public comment.
All in favor and motion come up. Please do. Linda Huntley 86. Um, for the estimated tax bill, how much are the municipal taxes expected to go up? Um, we're probably going to introduce our budget at our next
meeting. So, we'll do an introduction and then we'll take it from there. The budget is not completely done yet. Um, so I do not want to give a figure that I'm wrong. We haven't estimated now. Well, we always do an estimation this time of year for the estimated taxes and then once we get everything in place,
either it will be higher in the fourth quarter or it will be lower. [Music] Anyone else? See no one a motion to close. Second. All in favor? I reported committees.
Thank you, mayor. For the um senior center on June 19th, they have their dinner at pass of Bianca uh $75 and any any um of their um events to
please contact Paty. Um the senior center also has on June 26th a little mermaid uh $65 lunch um and then at the center um they're doing the production paper mill playhouse
presents little mermaid um information. Uh July 17th they're doing a dinner at Lake Gres in uh Staten. Um it's open bar for an hour, three hour course dinner and that's $78.
And um the Blooming Dale Senior Center is also doing a day trip to um a youth farms. Um, and that $70 on July 25th uh with um um also includes um
uh it includes homemade pasta and all that information is available online as also the uh their June calendar is up for all kinds of events um with their
golden age club Wednesday. They they still do their walking club every morning at 9:00. Uh chair aerobics, line dancing, all everything's available online. Um for that the trial number for May. Um they did switch over to a law
system. It's um they but I was told that the main number um yeartoate calls are 812 um and the May number was 177.
Last year's um number for May was um 141. And also through the tribal um it looks that they're um they have a view date
scheduled for some time uh next year in April, but the date is uh to be determined. Um and as always the day they did um have a lot of brand new faces, new young volunteers
about five um at trial first aid and they're they're all um attending classes soon. And um the library as always um they
have many programs. This this um the summer reading program has started um where if you register the it did begin on June 16th um but if you register before Saturday, June 28th at
1, you'll be entered into a special raffle. Um and the the kick the kickoff event is June 26 at 4:30 where the um they'll be um having a the Howling Woods Farm will be
here. Uh they're also starting a new program for senior for anyone that's interested in learning how to play majong. Um they're going to do it. The Bloomingdale Library presents it, but they will be doing it at the senior
center at 2 PM Thursday afternoons. They do want you to call and register ahead of time if you're interested. Um the summer session story time um as always at the library for baby
um 0 to 24 months. Mondays it's at 10:30. Then um story time in this um is recommended. There's also between two and five years old. Those are Tuesdays and Thursdays at 10:30. And Saturday story times in July,
the dates are to be determined. Um, this is like the library's busiest time of year cuz a lot of children go during the summer and it's a nice place to socialize. Um, and every Thursday there
is a a story time. Thursday story time um is usually with a guest reader. Um, And again, the um the Howling Woods Farm is doing the um you're going to be able to meet some wolf dogs and that's going to be
Thursday, June 26 at 4:30. It's going to be at the fireman's hall and there is a registration. They do want you to uh go online and and register. Handbag book. Um the handbag bingo is coming up. That's Friday, July 11th. Doors open at
5:30. The calling begins at 7. It's at Fireman Hall. Uh, and tickets are $40. Um, this is a very anticipated event. If if anybody would like to uh quickly buy
your tickets, um, the $40 admission price includes a a pack of 15 bingo sheets, three games per sheet. And the blue library is also hosting a
um uh her name is Rosemary Capello. Um she's speaking from the spirit world and that's Thursday, July 17th at 700 p.m. right here in council chambers. And they also want you to
register on the line for that. Um, as always, the Blue Medale Library and the Senior Center have all of this information online and um, definitely take it uh, take advantage of it. And
big most importantly, fireworks. Unfortunately, the um event was cancelled for um the slow part, but on June 28th, it's uh the the fireworks
starts at 6:00 p.m. I I sent everyone a note to start lining in as Dawn always likes by 4:30. And um we have about uh 14 um we have many food trucks and um
coming in DJ rides and that starts at 6:00 p.m. on June 28th. As um Evie said, Sloan Park Festival was cancelled last weekend. That was unfortunate. But we do have a rain date that we're planning for now. It is
scheduled for August 16th. It' be the same time from 3:00 until 9:00. The rain date for that would be the following day, the Sunday, August 7. Um, so more to come on that. You'll see some flyers and should still be a good time. Although it might be a little warmer in
August, but that's all right. Um, ordinance review also made up last week. I know we were looking through the solid waste management ordinance specifically for private rolloff containers. Um, as thrilling as that sounds, uh that might be changes to the ordinance that we're
we're kicking around and will come before us at some point if uh we're good on that. And then uh from the economic development commission standpoint, uh we're still accepting vendors for celebration day and there's also a couple of new businesses coming in on Main Street as
well. So we're working with the proprietors to schedule some ribbon cutting. So I'll keep you guys updated as as we learn more. uh public events. Uh we do h we have updated our public event calendar to note um there is river cleanup by the
environmental commission that's going to be in August and then we also noted uh the new slum park event the new date for the new uh for slum park event is now updated on the burough web website. I've also posted that on social media. Also,
regarding the fireworks, the walking path will be closed starting at 2 o'clock and will continue through the end of the fireworks until the fireworks vendor has uh finished cleaning up. Um,
also want to thank everyone that uh participated in the townwide garage sale. Um, couple other notes, Burrow Hall, and no DPW pickup for July 4th. Um, also we have been uh the chief and I have
been working on our emergency notification system rave. So shortly we will be putting out for the residents that would like to modify their account. We know we now have some optins.
So when you go onto your Rave account right now you get any type of emergency notification. The new opt-ins will put the power in the hands of the resident if they want to opt into public events, uh, office of emergency management,
senior center, DPW and water, non- severe weather alerts, severe weather alerts, and text optin. So, um, I will have I actually did bring some sheets. If anybody would like them tonight, just let me know before you go. Um, and then
we will start getting that out to all of the residents shortly via website, social media. We'll be doing a couple videos on it. Um, I know the police will be having them in their squad cars and um, we're going to put
them in the tax office um, for seniors that may not be on social media and we'll be just working with each department to see how we can get the word out. um to the residents in other ways. Um and again, if you want to sign up,
you can go to the burough page, bloomingj.net. It's at the bottom of the homepage, right hand side. Also, recycle coach is available for anyone that wants reminders on um garbage and recycling on
their streets every week. And I think that's it, right? Nothing. Dave, nothing this evening. Nothing. [Music]
Okay. All right. Um, I just want to talk about the um the grand opening of the park, the boat pond play uh playground. It came out beautiful. We had a really good turnout on Saturday morning. even in the uh the lousy weather. We had a bunch of kids
come out. It's a beautiful park. Um and what's really nice about it is there's no cost to our taxpayers to our tax money. That was done completely with the Jinx grant jinx law grant and open space community grants to the county. But it
came out terrific. Um, we also dedicated a tree to the little boy who passed away. Um, Elias and we replaced the Sydney Hopper plaque. Sydney Hopper plaque. She's now on one of the
permanent structures for the, um, one of the picnic tables with the canopies that are close to the lake. So, that has been dedicated to her, but the other bench that we had was falling apart. So, we thought it would be nice to do something that's permanent. And for Christopher, um, Delpan, the little library. We
replaced, we we reset that as you come into the park. So, go up, take a look at it, go inside it. Um, it's really really nice and since we've opened it, it's been used quite a bit. Um, our next goal is to replace the uh playground at the
laser and that's also going to be done with open space money and um hopefully that will never come in. recreation grant and the recreation grant. Yeah. So hopefully that number will come in so that also we won't have to put any money towards that. So that'll be another feature. We were I
don't know if you said it last month we were awarded $180,000 for open space for uh improvements on delay through the through the county and we're working on what we're going to do there ne next. So a lot of good things are happening.
Okay. Um, resolution number 10, 2025 6.5 consent agenda. Do I have a motion to um accept the consent agenda? The only with the only one change that you all notified. It is Ryan West. That that
name is incorrect. It is Dennis. It's the opposite. Oh, this is the right name. All right. I do that. Okay. But it's it is Ryan West. Okay. It's not It's not And congratulations on Dennis. He just completed the fire academy and did very
well for a young kid. He did really well. So I have a motion to accept agenda. So second. Um any questions for anything else on there? Okay. Roll call.
Broners, yes. Catalano, yes. Gradiano, yes. Hudson, yes. Schubert, yes. Jazzy, yes. Okay. Uh pending items. Uh second final reading for public hearing ordinance number 15-2025
authorizing sale on property known as block 5105 and lot 14.01. We are going to table this tonight. I'm going to turn this over to Fred. He'll give us a little explanation why we're doing this but we're going to have to um just so the council knows we're going to
have to set a date tonight for a special meeting to do this and we'll do what we have to do. U we do not want to put it off unless um we can't get together before our next meeting. We only have one meeting in July and I don't want to hold this up because this is part of our
uh our plan for for the right. Yeah. Um good evening everyone. We're in negotiations and the ordinance reflects that for a contract to to actually enter into with a a redeveloper
for the the sale of what would be the remaining 12 acres of land, but we're not at the point where we have a signed contract. We've been back and forth with the potential purchaser and you know going over certain terms and conditions
and we're at the point now where we have a draft agreement that we put together that we'd like to speak to the governing body in executive session and go over uh but not with the conclusion that the parties have an executed agreement
presented to us and it would give us a chance to make sure that all the items that we want to address are resolved. So, right now it's pending. We don't have a firm deal. So, the recommendation, as the mayor said, is to, you know, we can certainly just open it to the public briefly because we
advertised for the public hearing, but but before you take any action and then ask the governing body if you could select another date where we could come back and have a meeting to um to maybe consider at that point in time if we
have a a signed agreement uh in place. Fred, Fred, is it now time to ask a question during your explanation? Well, we're going to have an executive session because it's under contract contract negotiations. But with with that in mind, is it advantageous as a board to
table 15 and 16? No, since they're both in regards to the the second ordinance is one that nonetheless it's it's an amendment that'll always be available uh to the property if if a contract comes forward or if someone else comes
forward. So, I don't see any reason why Beth McManus is here tonight to answer any questions. The planning board has already given their consistency determination. So, I think we're okay, but it doesn't change anything. If anything, it it just gives a better
vision to the contract if and when you're ready to to authorize it. Okay. So to before we open it up to the public for for some questions is um we're looking at next Tuesday the 24th um 6:00
I'm on vacation coming Tuesday [Music] 6 p.m. [Music] I can make that work. You're good,
guys. Yeah, I'm good. That's going to be a quick meeting. Um, well, once we get it open to the public, there'll be questions. It'll be just like the ordinance, right? But I'm just saying overall, it's just it's just that that's the only one. I just want to be short because I don't want to ask Does one
week afford you enough time, Fred, to feel like we're at that point? I I think so. I think a lot of you know where we are right now is we want to make sure the governing body's question answered. So yes. Okay.
All right. All right. So we're going to set that date to 6:00. Okay. So chance to get there. All right. Okay. Do I need a motion, please? Um, yeah, just to open for the public. Do I
have a motion to open up public comment regarding this ordinance? So, move. Do I have a second? All in favor? I think you know. Okay.
Um, I'm concerned with the value that you that you're supposedly going to be getting for this property of 6.7 million. Uh, in 2015 when we had the island move, they said we were going to get 10,656,000
which was expected. Now we're only going to get 6.7 million. I also did a calculation to determine what the fair market value is of the property using my own property as a guide and using that and there's a cost of
living increase of 1.93 from 1999 to 2025 and then using that value times of 41.35 acres it's $7,22,000. So I mean of course I I think we're still going under what we should be
getting. I mean, I believe that way I see it is that you're letting the developer decide what whatever's going to happen that year. For whatever reason, they are they have the upper hand. I don't know why the developer hasn't been sorting the taxpayers by going by a lesser
amount. Additionally, you're saying that you're going to be getting 1.9 million from the pilot program. Well, previously we were going to get tax taxes in choose 2015 with tax money of 1,826,000.
So we're going up a little bit on a pilot program, but not really. If you look at the 2015 tax rate compared to 2025 tax rate. Okay. So I I don't know if you can answer that. I don't know if there's going to be any changes made, but I think that it's just I can answer some of it. All right. Because you did a
comparison to your own property. So that's not apples and apples. And the reason is if we go back to I'll go back to when this all started nine years ago is the it was if you go back as far as Dr. Horton they walked away from it
because they deemed it unbuildable. Okay, which we all know that with that whole history there going back when Jonathan um started all this the only person at that time came was the developer we've been working with for
nine years. Yeah. 17 million. I know. I know. We It was actually I think it was 16, but if you We're pretty close to that if you add everything in to where we are today. You can't compare your property that's flat and nice and buildable. It's better. It's better. Your property is better. It's smaller.
Obviously, not 12 acres, but over there time the investment that any developer, we don't have a contract yet. Any developer that goes into that property, the amount of work that has to be did to take that make it buildable. All right. Is men's valance. All right. But that
was always we've always known that. All right. So when that number came out going back 9 years ago and you remember that Tilcon was going to come in and they were going to take them out and down and then it'll be worth more money. Tilcon since then gave us the property.
They were going to give us the property then anyway 2015. All right. They built the whole road. They paid us for the whole road to be built so they can get this going at 2.4 4 million. So add that into what we took in into that cost. So we've been going on for year after year
and we keep coming up saying we're close with a developer. Now you say why didn't we advertise it to other developers. Going back then we sought other developers that we talked to. One was actually from I remember her name was from California. All right. Because
somebody put us in touch with them. uh another um developer that from I think it's Wolf Brother Wolf Brothers, right? I think they they're ones who looked at it. They came and did their own investigation. They have no interest
in it. So right now the interest is with the developer that we're dealing with and nobody else has come forward that property there and that's why the numbers went down because that bu that that developer has to go in there and do all the site work themselves. And then you say, well, we probably,
people say, well, you got that till off the hook. Well, we didn't because they gave us $2.4 million and they're going to get the stone. They're also giving us 77500 77,500 tons of stone back to the burrow of Bloomingdale that we can decide what we're going to do that. And that's part
of our negotiation too with the developer on how much he stone and all that stuff. All right. So, Tilcon that that has a value to to us. All right. We'll never use all that stone in our town, but maybe we can do something else with it. I I don't know yet because we
are under contract. So, the stone's not coming. So, I I'm not going to go there yet. So, at the end of the day, when we sell it property for um the numbers you're you're saying, but you also got to add in how much does it cost a developer for
building permits? That's that was separate amount. I don't I don't think so. I'm looking. So I'm I'm consider connection fees 972 sewer connection fees 2 million5 building permit fees 800,000. It's separate. I'm considerate as part of the deal now to
get us up to make us stable with building fees, water fees, user fees coming in because one of our biggest problems and you were here on our last meeting about the water bill. We don't have enough user to spell to spread the wealth out so everybody doesn't get hurt. We're sharing the water bills
before other towns and that's it. And when something happens in the four towns, they all we all have to pay. I didn't make that deal. That's coming back. I don't know how many how many years ago for that, but that's not But we're doing the best we can to get money coming in and new tax money coming in
through hopefully through this development. We need to bring new tax money in to offset our tax. We can't just keep hammering everybody and stay at our 7,600 people. I mean, I think you'll agree with that. I agree with that. But I the problem that I have is I think that we're selling it for a lot
less than when you negotiate with one person and we go back and forth and this is going on for a lot of years. We got to get to the end. All right. We got to get to the end and we're doing the best we can to bring money into our burrow through this development. Now you're seeing there's going to be other stuff
going on main street. We know that's going to happen. That's going to help. That's only if we can get down. Um depends what is built. I don't want to go there cuz we don't have any plans for that. I we talked to the developer for the for two sites. We talked to the developer next to the post office
probably as Monday. Mike, we spoke to him. He's going to be starting soon because he wanted to see what it's going to take cuz he has to do the water and the sewer. So, hopefully that project will get off the ground. I've heard rumors that he's walking away, but he's not. All right. He's just It takes time to get everything and he has a meeting
with our building department. Yes. Right. Set up so Yeah. So he's meeting with them to get all that off the ground. There's a lot of stuff going on, but we need to do something. I think everybody's in agreement with that. So we're doing the best we can to get the most for that property because there's only at this time there's only one
developer interest. If you had three, then you have bering stuff. Right now we have one unless you know somebody. But I don't. Well, I've talked to a lot of people. Believe me, I you know, now the concern I have is that okay, you get 6.7
million. How are we paying off our $17 million of debt? Well, we have to stop and we've said I told you last time you you said we shouldn't be borrowing one more money to do all these road projects. All right. Right now, we're just applying for grants and whatever we can cover to grant. We don't want to add
any more money into it. So, we don't want to borrow more money. We have some projects there to come up. You know, it's Elm and and um Ant Street um that need to be done because there's water problems over there. We've had several water mane breaks over there and we have flooding issues over there which we're
trying to address because we're going to run right now over on an street. The water that comes from boat pond through an street it goes behind between Ann and Charles those pipes part collapsed that the builder put in many many many years ago because that part of section of town
was all lake. It was never housing. But back then they did what they did. So that that water's going through all those homes get behind Charles Street. the flood maps by um Mr. Adgar's house on the corner. I mean, I don't you know this. So, we're trying to fix some flooding issues. We have a flooding
issue on Star Lake and um Catherine Street where they used oval corrugated pipe gas tanks. Gas tanks. Gas tanks. Yeah. Um between my street and Catherine Street, that's all collapsing. It's our responsibility. It's not on the
homeowner's property. So, we have to fix those things or the lady's property next to it is going to collapse. You saw we did that on Chestnut Street and over there, right? But that's not finished yet. We'd have to open up the culbert a little bit more to go under the bridge to go behind those houses over there. We
have a flooding plan between Chestnut going behind the houses on Van Dam out to the brook that needs to be cleaned like we did across the street from your house. So, we have to pay for all this stuff. All right. And so those those things are essential to get done. Otherwise, people are going to have problems with flooding. We're trying to
address as much flooding problems as we can. So this is important and we're getting there. Oh, just to as an aside that you brought up as far as the flooding on Vanam and that you had you had you to dug out the areas across from me. Well, when the home owners don't
take care of it, then it's overgrown again. So then what happens? Well, we'll have to decide that down. Um right now we had the county come in because the county owns all the the overs and they came in. Well, we got them all clean cleaned and then the county reimbured us. So, we have to stay up on top of
that and we're doing the best we can with that. I mean, we found a garbage pail underneath Chestnut Street and for whatever reason, whoever lived there years ago, they put an inlet next to the culvert so they can put a walkway over top of it to get to the grass on the other side. And when we open that wall
up, that was all collapsed. Garbage piles were stuck under there. So, people wonder why everything was flooding above that. Well, that's all things out. Suburbs monitoring a lot of stuff. So, but you know, we had a guy come in and d you saw DMK come in and dredge that whole section out. All right. He's a local guy that did it. We did fairly
well, but we have to maintain it. But we need to keep going down the van dam behind those houses, but it all cost. Also, another thing, um, our van dam is a duck that's going on,
and I don't want make sure nobody plows there. I know. Nobody does any digging any cuz they're going to be 28 days that stay on those eggs. Oh, done. Okay. Can I ask what percentage did you use
to increase each year? One point for um Yeah. for the cost of living. Yeah. 1.93. So like 2% give or take. because the original contract here was from 2022 and that's the base of this.
So I I don't think your number I know like the mayor said it may be comparing different but you're in the same area. That's a 5% difference on a major your number is not far from where we are flat and everything else. That's right. And you know the thing is to keep in
mind like the mayor said a number of developers were contacted if they wanted it they would have started making you know significant proposals but historically Dr. Horton the largest residential developer could develop it and the only buyer was Tilcon right till
buys it. I don't think anybody wants a quari on that lot. So now your uses is down to who else is out there. So over the last few years and we've you know talked about it it's been to try to work to make this project viable so that it
works be beyond you know just on paper. So it's been a it's it is a challenging property and plus we're addressing our affordable housing yeah issues that address for round three. All right cuz we're just working on ground four is
here so we're you know we're taking care of that. I mean, they're giving us numbers that to me it doesn't matter what number they give us because there's no place to build. But if we used round four, if we used um the affordable housing for seniors,
if the developer had done that, that would have given you under 28 more units. The senior we we looked into that because the senior units that we want to put down there and we were I believe we were told by fair share we could not use them. Right. For affordable, but and also
there's just the financing market for senior affordable is and everybody keeps saying it throughout the North Jersey, they can't get the financing. So, at least in this project, there's a senior housing component, which is which is
great. Yeah, but it's going to most listing not being able to afford it. Well, it's driven though by the market, right? If nobody wants it, then they're going to be empty. So, you would hope they have they're competitive. But I still have to say it's unusual now because it's very rare now to have for
rental units uh a senior component because there's just no finance market for it. I mean that's that's what I've experienced. But yeah, but then you got the warehouse and then you got the hotel and I mean there's a lot that's not going to go on that property that if if that happens if it ever happens. We're
just we're upgrading the redevelopment plan tonight to permit it. But are they really are they really going to build it? We don't know that. But it's a component. Now, if you put an industrial park up there and that's a ratable that, you know, doesn't affect anybody. It just brings money in. I I know it's I
mean, I've looked at some of them in Wayne, whatever. They're the fronts are are um even the Amazon down in Little Falls. It's I wouldn't say it's not attractable. All right. I mean, it's on we bride out. I think it is on Little Falls and it's right on our main road.
This is going to be up tucked away hopefully. All right. Hotel we're just peritted use. It's it's not there yet. There's a lot of steps to get to that point where you got to come in, you got to go to the planning board. They have to approve it. It's this is quite a ways away from doing it. But we need to get a
contract signed so we get the ball thrown. It's way past what should and it wasn't my fault. They're complaining for years. But but keep in mind if the hotel is part of any kind of u you know project that'll add
value to whatever it comes to. So just going to look a small area we'll wait for that next time. I just don't think your numbers far off as to where you know New
Orleans which is which is a good thing. It just isn't. And there's, you know, it's a different type of comparison because the bill anyway, it's not the 16 million that we supposed to pay more than 12 more million. I got to say, it's nice to get this
funding on board. It wasn't that long ago when you sued the town to stop all of this from happening and then we would have got zero for it, right? If you won your lawsuit that took three years, that would have stopped the quarry over that would have stopped everything. It would have stopped the quarry, right? We would have got zero for that borrow. But then
maybe you would have been borrowing so much because you expect to get all this money. Yeah. Yeah. So take it back for 3 years and the tax revenue we gave up. Please give me a break because of you. There's one person in this town and that's you and you're the one that's a
committee and you know it was a committee, right? You keep trying to say that it was just me. The committee of it was your name on the lawsuit. So I was the chair of a committee for residents to say federal health. Okay. That's, you know, that's that that's nice to have you on board. I'm just
giving you a compliment. It sounds like you've given us finally. I'm not giving you anything. You're coming in and saying, "Hey, you should get more, right?" So, you're on board. Well, because there's no What else are you going to do? You're on board. It sounds like the negotiation should have been better.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Actually, we have a just a We're open public. So we'll close that and then you can ask when we get to our session. Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to close.
All in favor? I Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to table ordinance number 15-2025 authorizing the sale of the property not block 5105 lot 1401 to June 24th at 6
p.m. Do I have a second? All in favor? Okay. Item B, second and final reading. Public hearing ordinance 16-2025 amended the Mir track redevelopment plan. Public notice statement, please.
Yes, Mr. Mayor. This ordinance was posted in the municipal building, published in the Herald News, and copies are made available to the public so that a motion may be made that it be read by title. Have a motion to read by title. So move. All in favor? [Music]
An ordinance of the bur of looming county state of New Jersey amending the mirror track development plan. Okay. Do you have a motion to open up public hearing? So second all in favor. Okay.
Just bring your chair over the 86. Um, as far as the permitted principal uses for the mixeduse buildings, um, items 2D, it states retail, sales, and services such as what happen to convenience stores, blah, blah, blah.
Electronic. What is electronics? Electronics could I'm assuming could be a phone store. It could be any type of electronics. Could be a store that has lithium batteries. And they could I mean, convenience store could have lithium batter a convenience store has lithium
batteries. No, not storage lithium batteries. I don't know. But this doesn't prohibit that. Um, correct. Am I correct? So, so an electronic store is going to be there selling uh electronics. It could be
phones or other devices. It's not going to be a battery storage place, but to the extent that they sell accessories that go with the electronics, like batteries, cords, wires, etc., They're going to be sold there as well, just like you would find in an Apple store or Best Buy, places that sell similar types
of electronics. And couldn't there be contamination in on the property because of that? I think the risk of contamination from a retail store on this site would be the same as any other I mean to to be
concerned about um about contamination would be the same as uh prohibiting uh for example wireless uh Verizon store uh T-Mobile store an Apple store etc because they're all storing the same type of batteries this they're all
engaged in the same type of retail so So I don't to be honest I really don't know the risk of contamination from retail battery sales. I suspect it is extraordinarily low as there's no manufacturing and there's no reason to expect that there's going to be a
piercing of the batteries or something that could lead to a health and safety problem. My concern is not necessarily retail services and it could be services electronic services someplace to dispose of those. I mean it would be it and it's exactly the same as the electronic services that are provided at the Best
Buy and at the Apple store as you bring your devices in for for repairs. So it's those type of services. That's retail. I'm not talking about retail. I'm talking about a store that has services that services are not warehouse. It's not warehouse is not
permitted here. Right. This is Yeah, this would have to be just and disposal of electronics is is quite um I'm sorry. It's not I'm just saying they wouldn't be able to dispose of it anyway. It's
there. It's not like you could just throw it away in the garbage. Yeah. the the concern being raised is retail sales and services and then it goes on uh just for the record retail sales and services such as but not limited to convenience stores, groceries, etc. electronics and
so the concept here is retail sales and services in the sense that um it's you might go to an electronic store to get your computer repaired. You might go to uh a hardware store uh and they're going to provide some services. Maybe it's tool sharpening or wood cutting, things
like that. Um, and it's the same type of services, but it's not a it's not a battery storage location. It's it's uh it's a retail service in the sense that people are coming in for a service that is being performed on site similar to to
a variety of retail stores that this community has and you see around the state. It's not a recycling center. No, no, a recycling center would be a whole different use. So maybe that could specifically state that that's not going to be permitted use a recycling center I I would say if it's if the council would
like to add that we can do so but um but any use that is not listed as permitted is prohibited and that's cited on page 10 and it's also consistent with the municipal land use law and so any application for a recycling center or literally any store will have to run
through the burough zoning officer. They will review the application against the redevelopment plan and presumably if they find that this is a recycling center or something that is not engaged in retail services or retail sales, it would be found to be prohibited
consistent with the or the plan. I think in my mind a retail service associated electronics is fixing the broken screen on your iPhone, right? These exist in the the center walkway of malls, right? It's a it we're not considering services
as though it's manufacturing, right? They're two different two different aspects. Retail I understood what Linda was saying though. I think if I may, um I think she was concerned that they might be throwing things. Correct. And
that's where your contamination comes in. Like electronics, batteries, that kind of thing. They're highly regulated and you can't just throw them in the trash. So I don't think we would have that issue. I'm also concerned there because it doesn't specifically exclude that a service being electronics
services could be disposal of electronics. But that's that's a natural consequence of of any of these stores. They're if you go and get a new phone, they're taking your phone. They have to dispose of the phone, including the battery, the CPU, and all the parts in there. And that's regulated. Yeah. And
it's the same thing for any Best Buy. It's the same thing for any Apple store. When you're doing this trade in of electronics, the the challenge that we have these days is we all have these devices in our pockets and in our in our in front of us that have this waste and so it's necessary for any store that or
service entity that is dealing with them to follow the law because it is a highly regulated uh it's a highly regulated industry um much like much like a lot of industries that we have these days. So in your opinion what we have and the plan will cover. Absolutely. There's
nothing to suggest in this redevelopment plan that they don't need to follow the law. And if it's beyond what a typical sale or service would be, it's going to be found to be a prohibited use. But I'm not saying not following the law. I'm saying that it doesn't specifically state that you can't that the service is recycling electronics.
Recycling electronics is not a retail service. It's a retail sales and services and it's two different items. I'll defer to the council. That's what my concern is. Okay. Okay,
for the hotel building, you're going to retail. This is on page nine. I keep telling you it uh you're going to have restaurants including fast food establishments with fast service like
with liquor, breweries, distilleries, and bars. My concern is the retail sales and services such as convenience stores, pharmacy stores selling groceries, um baked goods, then other personal services, dry
cleaners and banks and final and financial institutions what are which are going to compete with the business that we already have in town. So then we'll have all these businesses over there and what's going to happen to the businesses that are already in town? I think it's going to be competition that's going to be the problem.
Competition is usually good. Um, but with if if somebody's going to I don't own a hotel, but somebody's going to uh have a hotel and you're going to have a wedding there for instance. All right. And your guests are staying there. The the guests want to be taken care of. Everybody's gone to a wedding when you
stay in the hotel. Get up the next morning, you have breakfast, go before after wedding, go before, have a couple drinks or whatever you want to do or food or whatever. So, that's kind of where they're going with it. Um, it's not to if there's a restaurant in in in the in the hotel, there's a restaurant.
I mean, people want to have a restaurant. All right. But, you know, they're going to put a bank in a hotel. I don't know that. I don't know that. But it's just it's an option. It's an option. They could put a they could put a bank over on the retail side by the the um residential. They could put a
bank. I mean, we don't have any banks in town. They're all gone. Yeah. All right. We we've lost competitive business is a cornerstone of American culture. But we don't have we don't have businesses to begin with. And if we're going to have all these the competition the business that we do
have, then we may not have any businesses in general. It'll all be over at the hotel. So you're saying that we don't have I just want to follow this train of thought. So you're saying we don't have any businesses? I didn't say we've lost quite a few. We've lost quite a few. I'll clarify that. Okay. We've lost quite a few. We're trying to open
the door to bring more businesses in. And your concern is is that that's going to put businesses out. This is a plus one minus two in your mind. My concern is that plus two minus one. So I'm I'm confused. My concern is that businesses that we now have on Main Street are struggling as it is. And if you're going
to be putting these other businesses in on Union Avenue, I think as a business owner, I would make the argument, right, that a a struggling business is a is a a sum of a number of things that occurs, right? But the bottom line is is that
like fair open markets for business is a cornerstone of American culture. So like trying to restrict businesses in order to promote one another is literally against what we can do as a government. Hold on a second. I just just I'll give you my opinion about the businesses in town. We've opened quite a few
businesses in town in the past year and a half. John just told you before about on this opening statement that we have two more businesses open. Are they small businesses? Yes. That's That's that's that's fine. We have a a coffee shop at the end of town um which I go every
single day down there and I will continue going there before I would go to a Starbucks. In other words, I just that's just not it. Um we have but I could go right down from the top to bottom. The businesses are doing well. Um Wayne Bennett has been there forever. Forever. They're they're a cornerstone
in the town if you might want to say that. All right. It's just um Have businesses left? Yes. Do we have stores open? Yes. But we also have people coming in. We have a beautiful restaurant that opened up that was fantastic. Um because you have somebody in there that knows how to run a
restaurant that's busy every weekend. I agree with that place. Um but I think bringing new clientele into town is on Main Street. I wish we had a really good deli in town. You have food world now. I mean food town. Oh yeah. Yeah. Food
town. Yes. I'm talking about a real del. I mean, you know, I mean, River Bear was Fred's Deli at one time going back years ago. It's the same owner now. But I I I I'm not going to disagree with that. We've lost businesses in town, but those businesses opened and left pretty quick. We had a florist in town, but he
retired. All right. He tried selling it and getting nobody wanted it. So, he there's things we can control and there's things we can't control of when people come and go. There were three there were three sign and printing shops on our main street that flourished for decades. some of which have retired and
gone and passed away. Competitive business is not a problem. In fact, it's encouraged and for the members of our town, it'll probably ensure that you're getting the best product at the best price by having a competitive industry. I just hope the business
I don't disagree with that. I don't we don't want to see any business get hurt. I mean, you know, a lot of business uh put a water tower. Yes. Where is that going to go to? Um, exactly on the property. So, when I looked at the rendering, there is no water tower
anywhere. Do you like you remember where it'll be at the highest point obviously of the property? They have to to get pressure and it'll only help the entire system in town. Is that water tower going to um specifically be used for them to recycle
water? I guess they're going to get pressure there so they could get pressure to their 500 units down there and their warehouses and whatever else. How big is our tower? Our water tower 750. It'll be a million. It'll be a million gallons. So, we'll have a water
tower on both sides of town. Help the pressure. I was going to blow my pipes. [Music] Now, for the wireless communication towers and antennas, they're going to be have to be acceptable to the burrow. They're going to come have to go through the burrow.
Correct. Yes. [Music] rooftop rooftop recreational facilities for the hotel the residential uses and the hotels and the hotel what type of uses are they going to have we don't
know we don't know who's who's going to go to holiday we don't know who you know the hotels that I've been to they usually have a rooftop bar a sitting area for people to go um do whatever after a you have people gathering, but there's hours
of operation that they can't be up there till 2:00 in the morning. Yeah, I didn't see the hours of operation on that. Beth, so um there are a couple ways that the rooftop activity is is regulated because the concern that uh that folks here have stated they just don't want to be a nuisance to Union Avenue. So, there
are two ways. One, it it specifically says they're obligated to comply with the Ball noise ordinance, which is part of those hours of operations. It's not necessarily hours of operation but hours of noise that can be made. Um, but the other thing is from a design perspective, it regulates where the
rooftop area can be put as in uh they can't place uh an outdoor amenity space including but not only rooftop spaces for the hotel uh that hosts events like a bar or much less an outdoor wedding. It can't face Union Avenue and it has to
be well it has to be oriented. It's going to be has to be oriented towards the rear of the tract. So, so the attempt the intention is to limit the hours of that it's going to make noise and make sure it's not facing the the nearest public area. Instead, we'll face the
open area towards where the traffic They're usually quicker than this. They're usually quicker than this. There's a lot. Well, I'm also concerned about the signs, but I reckon it's going to be four signs on Union Avenue. One for the hotel, I guess. One for the warehouses. I mean, that's going to it's
not that big of an area on Union Avenue. They have four signs, but we have a sign ordinance on what size they can be. And if they're individual businesses, just like down on Main Street, you could have an individual sign. You can't have them on the street. And this is going to be kind of on the street. You can't have industry. You could have it in the
rightway. You could have it at the edges just like everybody else can. I mean, you could have it on your building in town. You mean you can, you know, just open a just open a shop down the street. This sign is right on the grass, you know, but what's that? that was not permitted
previously to have anything on the sidewalk or it had to be on the building itself and these won't be on the building itself because they're far back from the street. So having these four signs it's going to be it's like the gas station isn't on the building on the street bay is the same way it's on one
not four they have entrance these people are going to have four entrances that's why four signs different industries have to have four signs but yes how loud [Music] okay then the hotel is going to have
125 spaces, parking spaces, cuz it's going there's going to be 100 units. 125 units. 100 units supposed to be 125 parking spaces. There's 1.25 parker spaces per room, right?
That's a lot. I mean, this I guess I I look at the rendering that you have given us and this it's going to look nothing like that. Correct. So, it's kind of hard to as a resident who lives relatively close to this area, I'd like to know what it's going to look like. Well, when they go through that process,
they bring they're not going to give us renderings to look at before they even own the property. They go through that stage. That's a huge expense. But it my eyes that the you remember the original rendering when they had the building the first building on the right was 300
units something like that, right? And now this is a maximum. That same area is a maximum of 125. So it's less. [Music] I can't see it. Okay, that's it. Okay. Thank you. Thank
you. Anyone else? See no motion to close. All in favor? I Okay. Um motion for adoption. So move
second. Any questions from the council? I know. I do have a question. Question with the um warehouse facility um that they're building and with the
she mentioned the lithium battery. So, I just looked up if if there was a server like somebody wants to make that a server storage facility or uh like any
kind of if they want to store lithium batteries there or something. Is there a way for us not to let that happen because in a warehouse? Yeah, the warehouse is different than the retail. The warehouse I believe that could be uh
I mean back to from home that could be a permitted use. It's warehousing. We have a place right in Pqus nothing but batteries that's right on on West Park a warehouse facility full. So it's, you know,
but they're all but you have to remember they're all ignites. I'm just thinking like, you know, those ignite and like chemical chemical and if you're stay that's in puanic like next to it burns and you have the river and your water right next to one of the offices for the
hospital when you first go. But either way, these people that it I put my fire department hat on. When you have storage units like that, our fire official has to go in and do yearly inspections. They have to follow rules, but they just open a store
and pile batteries in there. They have to I'm sure they're all regulated on how that has to be stored. When batteries are returned, they have to I I believe they have to to u create them up and get them out. and how they're building the building with um sprinklers and definition. I mean, that goes along with
building codes and fire fire codes and stuff. They're not just going to put up a a building with nothing protecting it. It just doesn't work that way, right? You have to have sprinklers in everything. You can have sprinkles in your house now if you want.
That's not really a concern. Okay. Um relax. I'll make it fast. Um I, you know, through this entire conversation, um I do not envy
the the folks that have been sitting on this um committee, working on the negotiations. Um I do not envy you guys. It has been a long tough job. I give you a lot of
credit. I think that you guys have done an excellent job. I think we're getting fair money for what for some people is an unbuildable project for us. We did not look at it that way. We pushed we we believed in
this project. Um and you know it is by law it is something that has to be done and uh but I'm proud of you guys. This has been a long tough journey and uh so
Bravo to you guys that have been doing it this long. And I I I think you guys have done a really wonderful job and um I think what we're getting is is fair. I mean, sure, would I love more? Yes. But I think what we're getting is fair.
Thank you, Dylan. And we have great help, by the way. The professionals, bravo to you, too. Yes. All right, since we're you included, since we're coming around the board, I'll make mine I'll make mine relatively
short and and it's going to come back to the question I asked uh our attorney earlier, which is materially I I do not have issues with the amendment to the redevelopment plan. I think that it brings additional revenue streams. It is
a good use of the property that we have down there to expand to a hotel. I like materially what exists in this amendment, but I struggle to see the disconnect between the ordinance that we just tabled and this particular
ordinance being separate items. I think that they are intrinsically tied together as part of the negotiations and I struggle to continue to give leeway and approve what is coming as requests
you know via the negotiation process without getting to close. And uh you know for for that reason it's it's difficult for me to continue to say yes over and over again without getting something in return. and it's a it's
just a challenge. I I think that they they they do need to go together. And uh I believe my name is going to come up first. So I think it was important to understand, you know, why why I will be abstaining from voting on the redevelopment plan. Like I said,
materially they're good changes. I just think that from a negotiation tactic, it's best for, you know, for you guys when you go to the table uh to be able to tell the uh the developer that we're working with that, you know, we're we're growing impatient and they're losing
they're losing headway with getting what they ask for if we can't get the close. Well, all I can tell you, and I appreciate your comments, is that we follow directions from our professionals. And if a professional say this is the process we get to get to the end game, I am with my professionals
because they do it day in and day out. And we like myself and Ray have been part of this really deep into it for this past how long? I mean, Fred, I feel like he's living at my house. We talk every single
day for hours. Oh, I'm I'm with It's a simple statement. I I uh I understand for you guys, but I want to try to answer that maybe pitch otherwise. If let's just say this doesn't move tonight, right? And there is this this
avenue of the the hotel and and you know some of these changes then what that becomes is we want to have a signed contract when you vote on this. Now, in that contract, there's going to be a condition that this governing body has to still adopt this amendment.
You know, they're not going to just sign it. It's going to be a whole condition as opposed to say this is what it is. This is what's been approved. If there's going to be any changes, you'll know in that contract. If there's not, then that's the way the plan looks. And if
they don't sign the contract and we can't make a deal, then they don't get the benefit of these improvements. That I can tell you. Oh, I I agree that this is uh for um I'm gonna I have two young two young girls. I'm gonna do the example of if you give a mouse a cookie, right? And I think it's like he's gonna
want a cup of milk. And it it seems over the course of my short time on the council, you guys have been doing this for much longer and I like I I'm with Dawn. I commend you. I just am uh I'm getting tired of the next question and I I fear that there'll be another and there'll be another one and I'd prefer
uh to know that we've reached a close. It doesn't need to be via that. But you also have to understand one thing, right? The redevelopment plan is is geared towards a developer being able to do stuff in that property. Yes. If for whatever reason this contract don't get signed, somebody else comes in and says,
"Hey, I want to take it over. We're so far ahead of it. We flushed out whether or not multiple developers are going to be betting on this early this evening." But look, I appreciate your comments. Yeah, just a simple comment. Anybody
else? No, I appreciate where Dominic's coming from. He's looking at it as a bargaining chip and this is not a bargaining other It's not not even materially. Materially, I don't see issues with what's in the amendment. This is just my
way of letting the the broader public and picture know that we're growing and patient with the developer that we're working with, right? We we can't keep giving them the cookie. You guys Okay. Roll call. Catalano. Stain. Rosiano.
Yes. Hudson. Yes. Schubert. Gazby. Yes. Broners. Yes. [Music] No. But you you have sufficient votes to take care. So the motion carries. Okay. Item C. Second final reading of public
hearing ordinance number 18 2022 vendor amending chapter 2 recreation fees for a lacrosse program public notice date please. [Music] Yes Mr. Mayor this ordinance was posted in the municipal building published in the Herald news and copies were made available to the public so the motion
may be made that it be read by title. Have a motion to read by title. Second. All in favor? Ordinance of the burrow of Bloomingdale and the county for sake of New Jersey amending chapter 2 administration section 2-64.11 fees for recreation programs the core of
the bur of Bloomingdale. Have a motion public hearing. So move second. All in favor? Anyone for the public wish to come up talk about the cross? Okay. Motion to close. Second. All in
favor? Motion for adoption. Second. Roll call. Graziana. Yes. Hudson. Yes. Steart. Yes. Yes. John, yes. Alan, yes. Okay. New business adopts resolution
number 2025 616 payment of the bill for a motion to pay the bills. So move second. Any questions? Roll call. Hudson. Yes. Schubert. Yes. Gazy. Yes.
Broners, yes. Catalano, yes. Braziano. Yes. Okay. Item B, adoption of resolution number 20256.17 endorsing the 2025 housing plan. Um, do
I have a motion? Second. Okay. Before we we go, everybody knows that this is our obligation to have done by third, right? Can I ask a quick question about this? Sure. You guys all got the emails about that court case with the LLRP,
right? Like the Montdale. Yeah. In Monteale and like invalidating the deadlines and timelines and since we have Beth here is right and what you had to submit whether you actually had to adop uh endorse and
finish these on time. Can you like speak to that a little bit with what happened because they seem like they won. I would say I don't know if this is but yeah uh I would say the press release was a bit more positive than I think the decision. Okay. It really put a very
positive spin on it. And it's not that it was totally unsuccessful. There were, you know, one of the one of the items that was required, for example, is towns were required pursuant to this court directive to send their housing plans to fair share housing center, which at this round seems really inappropriate because
towns are not Bloomingdale certainly did not are not settling with Fair Share Housing Center like many many towns did in the third round. So, that part was excised out of or was eliminated by the court's decision. So that's a but I hate to say it, but the bottom line is all these documents are public and they're
all going on to a single source. So I'm not quite sure how successful like how meaningful that that change is. Um but the bottom line is towns were still required to do the resolution that you guys did by January 31st that declared your participation or obligation. We're
still required to submit a plan by June 30th. the court decision has no impact on anything that that really unless you disagree, but anything that Bloomingdale is currently engaged in. Um, I don't think it has it has an impact on us. I mean, sure, we don't have to send our
housing plan to fair share housing center, but like I said, that's not it's not very meaningful. It's going to be posted on the court's website where everybody can find it. Yeah. So, so like avoiding adoption now doesn't necessarily actually prevent us from having to adopt later. Avoiding adoption now, not adop well not adopting it by
June 30th puts the bureau at a risk for a builder's remedy. Okay. You're you're deemed non-compliant then and that court case doesn't change the deadline. I know there's a lot of it does not and we actually represent some municipalities that are in that case. Okay. And and I can tell you
everything Beth said. I I agree. And the bottom line is I think we know of one town that got an extension and it was because their planner went out for an extended period of time. They filed a motion. It was reviewed by the judge and they got a short I don't know anybody
else that got an extension. And to Beth's point, we're really being very compliant by getting to this point because if you adopt this resolution, you're in full compliance with this new legislation and your, you know, builder's remedy protection is there.
your immunity, you're compliant. So now, yes, there's a time period various parties could object to it, but June 30th is the deadline, and you will have taken all the steps uh this year uh with respect to the DCA number, challenging
the DCA number, adopting the resolution to accept their number, and then putting together a plan, getting the plan to the planning board and prepared, you know, fair share affordable housing plan. And now this just affirming what the planning board did, you're in full
compliance. This is one of those where I will listen to our professionals. I understand that the bureau um you know that we are we will end up being in we are in compliance. But I will say this again. I think that it is ridiculous
that the state has put these unrealistic timelines on uh towns and I think the numbers that they have thrown out especially to the bureau of Bloomingdale are absolutely ridiculous and I don't agree with it. But to say in compliance
I'm inbody else. [Music] Yes. Yes. Broners, yes. Catalano, yes. Gradiano, yes. Husband, yes.
Okay. Item C, adopt a resolution number 20 [Music] 25 6.18 JSL um for our groundwater testing certification. Do I have a motion? So
move. Any questions on this? Roll call, please. Yes. Broners, yes. Yes. Rosiana, yes. Hson, yes. Schubert, yes. [Music]
Item D, and this ties to C. Adopts a resolution number 2025 6.19 JSL soil search inspections. Um, do I have a motion? So move. Second. Cool. Somebody has questions. It's just pretty
standard stuff. Rocker, yes. Yes. Gradiano, yes. Hudson, yes. Schubert, yes. Yi, yes. Okay. Item B, adoption resolution number 20256.20,
renewal of share service agreement with the board of ed. And this is for our officer one. Yeah. Right. A motion, please. So moved. Second. Any questions? Roll call.
Cavalano. Yes. Rosiano. Yes. Hudson. Yes. Schubert. Yes. Yi. Yes. Rockers. Yes. Okay. Item F adopt the resolution number 20256.21 21 renewal of share service agreement
with the board of snow removal. I have a motion. So moved. Second. This is pretty simple. Um roll please. Graianoiano. Yes. Hudson. Yes. Schubert.
Yes. Yi. Yes. Broners. Yes. Catalano. Yes. Okay. Item G, adopt a resolution number 2024 to 25, 6.22, reappoint of our school officer, uh, Jay Traoli. Um, do I
have a motion? So, second [Music] roll call. Hudson, yes. Schubert, yes. Galaxy, yes. Broners, yes. For perhaps the most popular guy in
Bloomingdale, yes. Graiano, yes. Yes, he is very very wellliked within all our school systems. He does a great job. Have a motion to open up Larg. Oh, sorry. Thank you. I always forget
that. Okay. Resolution number 2025 6.23. Um, this is emergency resolution for temporary appropriations. Do I have a motion? Second. Roll call. Schubert, yes. Yassie, yes. Broners,
yes. Milano, yes. Raviano, yes. Hudson, yes. Okay, now motion public. Second. All in favor? I
not done yet. First of all, the bills list was not on the website, so I could not look at them. Okay. Um the other item I wanted to address is that there's been a number of animals being found dead around um around Maple.
There's some chipmunks and some birds and I spoke to um Lisa Perry about it and she said she had heard about it and she's preparing something but there's I guess some people are putting out poison. She said it's a they can do that but it's usually try and do it so that it doesn't fit the animals and somebody
is doing that. And where is it maple? Um on maple. Yes. first time here. Okay. You did talk 27. Yeah. Did you hear anything from Lisa at all? No. I spoke to her this morning about that. That was when I found out about the duck. Someone had told me the duck was sick.
So then she sent somebody over there and we're looking at it. We found the duck. Then somebody went to move that it had babies. I had the eggs. Oh, come back mom. So but that's that's a concern. I'm going to touch base with Lisa. Okay. Thank you.
Anyone else? See no one on the motion to close. Second. All in favor? I We do have one matter of negotiation in executive session.
Um no action being taken after. I thank you for coming up. I appreciate it. Good answer. Have a motion to go into executive session. Second. All in favor? I thank you all for coming out.