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Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=DIrA0N1G8UI

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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: DIrA0N1G8UI):
- 00:00:01: Introduction: Planning Commission, Hearing Procedures, Pledge Allegiance
- 00:01:40: West Haven Townhomes: Staff Report on Proposed Development
- 00:05:06: Bluff Protection, Burial Mounds, Traffic Impact Considerations
- 00:06:35: Park Dedication Fees, Public Comments, Staff Recommendation
- 00:07:32: West Haven: Commission Clarifying Questions to Staff
- 00:08:46: Explanation of Public Hearing Process for Applicants
- 00:09:21: West Haven Townhomes: Applicant's Statement and Explanation
- 00:14:15: West Haven: Civil Engineer Available For Questions
- 00:14:48: West Haven: Staff Clarifying Site Study Question
- 00:15:14: West Haven Townhomes: Public Hearing Instructions
- 00:17:23: West Haven: Public Comment - David Axelsson
- 00:21:10: West Haven: Public Comment - Christopher Dawn
- 00:23:05: West Haven: Public Comment - Charlie Bass
- 00:27:11: West Haven: Public Comment - Christopher Dawn (Again)
- 00:27:44: West Haven: Public Comment - David Axelsson (Again)
- 00:28:21: West Haven: Closing the Public Hearing
- 00:28:43: West Haven: Commission Follow-Up with Staff and Applicant
- 00:36:12: West Haven: Applicant Answers Commission Drainage Questions
- 00:38:40: West Haven: Questions For Applicant About Bluff Protection
- 00:39:35: West Haven: Commission Discussion and Deliberation
- 00:44:08: West Haven: Motion to Approve Final Site Plan
- 00:44:54: West Haven: Motion to Approve Preliminary and Final Plat
- 00:45:41: Moving to Item Two: Gallery Permits Rezoning Review
- 00:47:22: Gallery Apartments: Staff Report Begins
- 00:51:37: Gallery Apartments: Six-Story Building and Parking
- 00:52:32: Gallery Apartments: Landscape Plan and Building Elevations
- 00:53:05: Gallery Apartments: PD Overlay District and Flexibility Requests
- 00:54:00: Gallery Apartments: Reduced Storage, Location, and Power Line
- 00:55:08: Gallery Apartments: Affordable Housing and Incentives
- 00:55:52: Gallery Apartments: Questioning Surface Parking Spaces
- 00:57:34: Gallery Apartments: Questions for Utility Service Experts
- 00:58:30: Gallery Apartments: Inquiries into Power Line and Setbacks
- 01:00:22: Gallery Apartments: Power Lines and Related Health Concerns
- 01:01:41: Gallery Apartments: American Boulevard Study Plan Review
- 01:03:48: Gallery Apartments: Applicant's Statement and Explanation
- 01:07:19: Gallery Apartments: Why Intersecting the Area With Project
- 01:08:37: Gallery Apartments: Traffic Study and Surface Parking Details
- 01:09:48: Gallery Apartments: Open Public Hearing
- 01:10:00: Gallery Apartments: Public Comment - Robert Coleman
- 01:11:12: Gallery Apartments: Public Comment - Karen Thomas
- 01:13:18: Gallery Apartments: Online Public Comments
- 01:14:01: Gallery Apartments: Paige Guide Unmuted From Meeting
- 01:14:14: Gallery Apartments: Closing Public Hearing
- 01:14:26: Gallery Apartments: Questioning The Traffic Impact
- 01:16:16: Gallery Apartments: Traffic and Notification to Edina
- 01:17:11: Gallery Apartments: Commission on Boulevard Setbacks
- 01:19:11: Gallery Apartments: Thoughts and Concerns
- 01:21:15: Gallery Apartments: Motion to Adopt Re-Zoning
- 01:22:04: Gallery Apartments: Motion to Recommend Development
- 01:22:51: Recusal and Item Three: South Town Sign Variances Review
- 01:23:19: South Town Sign: Staff Report on Variance Requests
- 01:24:52: Sign Setback Variance Request, Explanation Of Position
- 01:26:37: Sign Area Variance, Reasoning For Request of the Approval
- 01:27:12: Finding, Freeway Visibilty Impact, Sign Scale of Existing Sign
- 01:28:10: Are Signs Legally Non-Conforming to Local Building Codes?
- 01:28:43: Will the Signs be for Dick's House Of Sports or New?
- 01:29:17: South Town Signs: Applicant's Statement Begins
- 01:30:35: Before and After Effect On Local Businesses, View and Approval
- 01:33:25: South Town: Questions For Applicant on Setbacks, Visibility
- 01:34:57: South Town: Location of Sign is Key on Road Visibility
- 01:35:50: South Town: Open and Close The Public Hearing
- 01:36:39: South Town: Disagreeing on Setbacks and Size of Area
- 01:41:45: South Town: The Reason for Short Sign is Closer To Street
- 01:43:15: South Town: Staff and Permitting and Safety Questions
- 01:44:13: South Town: Practical Problems and Reviewing Requests
- 01:50:26: South Town: A Request For Motion and Discussion of Requests
- 01:51:26: Approving Meeting Synopsis and Reports from April
- 01:53:59: Wellnigton Planning: Previewing Upcoming Future Meetings
- 01:55:32: Comp Plan Update and Event Launches for Planning
- 01:57:24: Concluding The May Meeting of the Planning Commission


Part: 1

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DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, LONG RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. SOME ITEMS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE STUDY ITEMS WHERE WE WILL NOT TAKE FORMAL ACTION WHILE OTHER ITEMS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION

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ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS. DURING THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE DO ENCOURAGE TESTIMONY IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO. YOU CAN TESTIFY HERE AT CITY HALL BY JOINING US IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS. YOU CAN ALSO DO SO FROM HOME

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BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS ON YOUR SCREEN. ON SOME ITEMS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY WELL ON OTHER ITEMS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ACTS IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE

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THE FINAL DECISION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM WITH A TWO TERM LIMIT.

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WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVE SIX ALL SEVEN COMMISSIONERS HERE THIS EVENING SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

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PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC

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SINCE WE NATION WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . WE ARE GOING TO GET STARTED THIS EVENING WITH ITEM NUMBER

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ONE WHICH IS FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS AND A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AT THE ADDRESSES SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THERE. AND MISS EMILY BECK IS HERE WITH A STAFF REPORT.

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GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. SO I DON'T WANNA. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 16 UNIT DETACHED TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT ON A 4.6 ACRE SITE

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ZONED R ONE WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED AND THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE AS OF THIS SPRING. THIS APPLICATION IS THE FIRST

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THAT FALLS UNDER THE NEWLY ADOPTED AND MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING STANDARDS AND IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT. THE REQUEST IS FOR A FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN

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APPROVAL AND A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO SIX LOTS AND TWO OUT LOTS FOR ACCESS AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. THIS APPLICATION IS CODE COMPLIANT WITHOUT NEED

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FOR VARIANCES OR FLEXIBILITY. THE SITE WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS LOCATED NEAR THE RIVER BOTTOMS TRAILHEAD WITH NEARBY BIKE ACCESS TO THE NORTH AND WEST STAR TOWNHOMES AND TO THE

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SOUTH AND EAST ARE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. AS I SAID THE SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED R ONE AND IT'S GUIDED FOR LOW DENSITY

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RESIDENTIAL WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE. THE PROPOSED DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT IS APPROXIMATELY 3.5 UNITS PER ACRE SO IT IS WITHIN THAT LIMIT AND CONSISTENT WITH

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THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE DEVELOPMENT MEANS ALL SETBACK PARKING OPEN SPACE AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENTS.

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THE PROJECT INCLUDES EIGHT ONE STORY AND EIGHT TWO STORY UNITS ALL WITH WALK OUT BASEMENTS, DECKS AND PORCHES. PROPOSED MATERIALS INCLUDE STONE VENEER AND SHAKE SITING.

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ALL UNITS MEET THE 40 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT WITH HEIGHTS RANGING FROM APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 38FT. TALLER UNITS INCLUDE TUCK UNDER TWO CAR GARAGES AND ALL GARAGES ARE ORIENTED TOWARDS

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THE INTERIOR OF THIS SITE. EACH UNIT IS PROPOSED TO INCLUDE AN ELEVATOR FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND THE UNITS WILL HAVE SHARED MAINTENANCE SERVICES PROVIDED THE

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LANDSCAPING PLAN MEETS ALL CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE SITE AREA 66 TREES AND 166 SHRUBS ARE REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT MEETS THIS WITH A MIX OF NEW AND EXISTING

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PLANTINGS ALONG WITH ADDITIONAL PERENNIALS. A LANDSCAPING CHARITY WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE PROPER INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE AND REQUIRED LANDSCAPING YARDS ALONG THE STREET FRONTAGES

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HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. WHILE MOST SCREENING REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT TRIGGERED FOR THIS APPLICATION, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN ADDED TO REQUIRE SCREENING FOR A SMALL PARKING AREA ADJACENT

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TO NEIGHBORING HOMES TO REDUCE HEADLIGHT IMPACTS. LIGHTING PLANS ARE ALSO NOT REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT BUT ANY PROPOSED FIXTURES MUST STILL MEET CITY STANDARDS.

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A PORTION OF THE SITE IS ALSO WITHIN THE BLUFF PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED. ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THE STAIRS. THIS DISTRICT LIMITS

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DISTURBANCE GRADING AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE AND REQUIRES ENVIRONMENTAL SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT THE BLUFF AREA. THE PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH THESE STANDARDS AND NO TREES

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WILL BE REMOVED FROM THIS AREA. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THE BLUFF AREA. STAFF HAS ADDED A CONDITION TO ENSURE CONTINUED COMPLIANCE WITH THE BLACK BLUFF PROTECTION OVERLAY DISTRICT.

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ADDITIONALLY, STAFF ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE ARE MANY BURIAL MOUNDS IN THIS GENERAL AREA DUE TO ITS PROXIMITY TO THE MINNESOTA RIVER. WHILE NO CONFIRMED BURIAL SITES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED ON

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THESE PROPERTIES AND AN INVESTIGATION BY THE STATE ARCHEOLOGIST FOUND NO RECORDED BURIAL MOUNDS OR CEMETERY SITES, CITY STAFF ACTS AS A FACILITATOR BETWEEN THE

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DEVELOPER AND THE STATE IN THIS INSTANCE AND AS AN ADDED SAFEGUARD HAS RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS REQUIRING COMPLETION OF THE REVIEW PERIOD BY THE MINNESOTA INDIAN AFFAIRS COUNCIL BEFORE

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ANY GRADING OR PLAT RECORDING CAN OCCUR. THE APPLICANT DID FORMALLY SUBMIT THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS TO MIKE THE MINNESOTA INDIAN AFFAIRS COUNCIL FOR REVIEW ON

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APRIL 24TH. STAFF DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED 16 UNIT DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE IS SERVED BY BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD WHICH

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IS A COLLECTOR ROAD AND HAS ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE ESTIMATED AROUND 160 ADDITIONAL DAILY TRIPS. THE NUMBER OF CURB CUTS WILL

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BE REDUCED FROM 4 TO 2 BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAYS WILL CROSS AN EXISTING OFF ROAD TRAIL. ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC SAFETY SIGNAGE OR PAVEMENT MARKINGS MAY BE REQUIRED. SUBJECT TO FURTHER REVIEW AND

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APPROVAL BY THE CITY ENGINEER PRIOR TO PERMITTING THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT MEETS ALL APPLICABLE ZONING CODES OR ZONING STANDARDS.

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THE PLAT MUST BE RECORDED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS AND PARK DEDICATION FEES MUST BE PAID AT THAT TIME. ESTIMATED PARK DEDICATION FEES ARE APPROXIMATELY $92,000

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INCLUDING CREDIT FOR FORMER HOMES. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ADDRESS PLANNING REQUIREMENTS, PARK DEDICATION AND NECESSARY EASEMENTS. THE CITY RECEIVED PUBLIC

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COMMENTS ON THIS CASE ACTUALLY SEVEN PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE WHICH WERE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET OR AT YOUR SEAT. THERE WAS SOME CORRESPONDENCE AND SUPPORT AND SOME OPPOSE

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WITH SOME OF THE REASONS LISTED ON THE SCREEN. WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. I'M HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND THE

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APPLICANTS ARE ALSO HERE AS WELL. I THINK YOU MISSPOKE. WE WILL START WITH QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR.

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THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT LATER BUT MISS ASPECT DO WE KNOW IF THE INVESTIGATION BY THE STATE ARCHEOLOGIST WAS A DESKTOP STUDY OR AN ON SITE STUDY?

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CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I DO NOT KNOW BUT WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT FOR LATER. THANKS. MR. SPEAKER, I HAVE A QUESTION ON YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS IS

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THE FIRST APPLICATION WE'VE SEEN UPON THE PASSING OF OUR NEW MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ORDINANCES. WHAT ABOUT THESE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE PRIOR TO THE PASSING OF THAT ORDINANCE?

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>> CHAIR SO THE WAY THAT THEY'RE SITUATED ON THE LOT SOME OF OUR STANDARDS FOR LIKE SET BACKS FOR EXAMPLE ARE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE AND NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT WHERE

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LIKE A 30 FOOT SETBACK WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE MET IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS PRIOR. SO IT KIND OF ADDS SOME DENSITY IN A CASE LIKE THIS.

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THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PORTION AND SINCE WE'VE GOT A NICE CROWD OF PEOPLE HERE, I'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE

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BIT HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKS ON THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS OF WHICH THIS IS ONE. SO WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF. WE'RE THEN IN JUST A MINUTE HERE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THE

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APPLICANT A CHANCE TO SPEAK. IF THEY SO CHOOSE THEY'LL COME UP AND PRESENT THEIR CASE TO US FOR THIS APPLICATION. AND THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THAT. AND SO I WILL GIVE MORE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE PUBLIC

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HEARING WHEN WE GET TO IT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO ASKING IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND STATE THEIR CASE ON THIS APPLICATION. YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

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AND IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF FOR US PLEASE. I'M CHRISTINE CARLSON AND I'M ONE OF THE OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS OF THE WEST HAVEN

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PROJECT. >> I GREW UP IN BLOOMINGTON ON 108TH STREET. I THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING HERE TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT BRINGS QUESTIONS

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AND CONCERNS TO A COMMUNITY. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WE'VE CAREFULLY WORKED ON THIS PLAN AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM NEIGHBORS AND

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THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. MY GOAL TONIGHT IS TO SHARE THE STEPS WE'VE TAKEN TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN OFTEN FEEL DISRUPTIVE.

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WEST HAVEN CONSISTS OF 16 SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO DOWNSIZE AND REMAIN IN THE COMMUNITY. OUR AIM HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO

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CREATE A SMALL THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COMPLEMENTS THE AREA WHILE MEETING TODAY'S HOUSING NEEDS. WHILE CONSTRUCTION CAN BE INCONVENIENT AND WE WILL

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COMPLY WITH ALL CITY CODES RIVERCREST RESIDENTS FEEDBACK HAS SHAPED MUCH OF OUR DESIGN AND WE'VE LISTENED CAREFULLY. THIS HOUSING OPTION ENABLES

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LONG TERM BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS TO REMAIN IN THE CITY. MY GOAL IS NOT JUST TO SECURE APPROVALS BUT ALSO TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT FITS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS

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POSSIBLE. USING THE LATEST HOME TRENDS IN 2026. OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE COMMITTED TO LISTENING IN OCTOBER OF 2024. WE HELD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WE RECENTLY MET WITH THE

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RIVERCREST BOARD, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. WE MADE CHANGES TO OUR INITIAL PLANS BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM THE OCTOBER 2024 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WE NO LONGER WERE ATTACHING A

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ROAD. YOU CAN CHANGE A LITTLE BIT. I'M AND WE WERE NEVER CONNECTING TO RIVERCREST

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UTILITIES. THERE WERE SOME DRAINAGE CONCERNS. I PERSONALLY WALKED THE PROPERTY AND MATT PAVIC OUR CIVIL ENGINEER CAN FURTHER EXPLAIN IF THERE'S QUESTIONS

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REGARDING DRAINAGE ISSUES. TO ENSURE AN ATTRACTIVE SHARED BOUNDARY WE PROPOSED WORKING TOGETHER. SOME NEW CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION INCLUDING TRAFFIC, SNOW REMOVAL, TRASH

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COLLECTION, FIRE DELIVERY TRUCKS, OVERFLOW PARKING AND SAFETY ISSUES. I FEEL WEST HAVEN IS SIMILAR TO NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS. RIVERCREST HAS 39 UNITS.

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CASSEL GLEN HAS 20 HOMES AND BOTH OF THOSE HAVE MORE HOMES AND A SINGLE ENTRANCE. WEST HAVEN, BY CONTRAST, HAS TWO ENTRANCES WITH FEWER HOMES . WE BELIEVE THIS WILL HELP WITH

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TRAFFIC FLOW AND PARKING. ADDITIONALLY I FEEL WE HAVE ADEQUATE ADEQUATE OVERFLOW PARKING. TRASHCANS NOT DUMPSTERS HAPPEN IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD ON

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GARBAGE COLLECTION DAY. DELIVERY TRUCKS ARE QUICK IN AND OUT AND I'VE SEEN THEM NAVIGATE THE PRIVATE STREETS IN RIVERCREST WITHOUT AN ISSUE. >> WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH BLOOMINGTON FIRE

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DEPARTMENT, OUR CIVIL ENGINEER HERE TONIGHT WITH ME. MATT CAN ALSO ADDRESS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE ISSUES. WEST HAVEN WILL HAVE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PLACE.

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WHAT HAS CHANGED FOR DEVELOPERS IN THE LAST DECADE? WHEN CREATING A TOWNHOME PROJECT TO FIT THE NEEDS OF AN OWNER WITH LESS MAINTENANCE, NEW INSURANCE POLICIES HAVE DRIVEN THE NEED FOR DETACHED

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TOWNHOMES. THIS ALLOWS EACH OWNER TO HAVE THEIR OWN INSURANCE POLICY WHICH HELPS REDUCE HOA FEES. I DO FEEL WEST HAVEN FITS INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA.

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THIS PROPOSAL CONTINUES THE EVOLUTION OF THE HOUSING MARKET NEEDS AND TRENDS. I WANT TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. ANY DEVELOPMENT BRINGS CHANGE ESPECIALLY DURING CONSTRUCTION.

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OUR SMALL 16 UNIT DEVELOPMENT YOU CAN CHANGE ONLY TO THE NEXT PHOTO. WE'RE NOT HIGH DENSITY. IT'S DESIGNED TO FIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NATURAL SETTING NEAR THE RIVER IN WEST

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BLOOMINGTON. AT THE END OF THE DAY MY GOAL HAS NOT SIMPLY BEEN TO BUILD HOMES. WE WELCOME FURTHER DISCUSSION . I UNDERSTAND NOT EVERYBODY WILL AGREE WITH EVERY ASPECT

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OF THE PROJECT. HOWEVER YOU SHOULD KNOW WE'VE LISTENED. WE'VE MADE CHANGES AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO LISTEN. LOOKING AHEAD IF YOU WOULD, WE IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO

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RECEIVE UPDATES OR HAVE SUGGESTIONS PLEASE CONTACT US DIRECTLY AT ANY TIME. WE'LL CONTINUE TO LISTEN. WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER TOWARD A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME. OUR CIVIL ENGINEER MATT

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PADDOCK IS WITH CIVIL SITE GROUP AND IS WITH US TONIGHT. MATT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS OF THE WEST HAVEN DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU, MS. CARLSON. MR. PATRICK, ANYTHING TO ADD OR ARE YOU MR. CHAIR? PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS POINT BUT I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. SHOULD THEY COME UP?

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WE APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU, MS.. CARLSON, FOR SIGNING IT. MR. PADDOCK, I'LL ASK YOU TO SIGN IN AS WELL. WE WILL ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

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I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T SEE ANY HERE SO I DO HAVE I ANSWER ABOUT THE BEER QUESTION PLEASE.

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THE SITE THE ADDRESS ON THE BLUFF HAD A FULL STUDY AND THE OTHER TWO SITES HAD A DESK STUDY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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QUESTION I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING MY QUESTION THAT I'D FORGOTTEN I'D ASKED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. COHEN YOU OKAY? THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING WHICH I WILL

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NOW OPEN. I WILL DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT HOW THESE WORKS SINCE MANY FOLKS MAY BE NEW TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION RULES AND PROCEDURES. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

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IT'S NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD AND I JUST WANTED TO SET THAT EXPECTATION. SO WE DO WELCOME YOU TO AND ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS YOU TESTIFY. HOWEVER, JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ANSWER THEM RIGHT

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AWAY AND TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE IS IF YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK THOSE TO ME THE CHAIR . OUR PLANNING COMMISSION IS MAKING A NOTE OF THOSE AND AFTER WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC

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HEARING WE WILL THEN SHE WAS IF WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS OR SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT KEEPS THINGS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT SO IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION BUT WE MAY NOT ANSWER IT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING

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HAS CLOSED MEANING THAT WE'VE GOT A ROOMFUL OF FOLKS HERE. WE ARE GOING TO INSTITUTE THE SHOT CLOCK THIS EVENING WHICH IS UP ON THE WALL. SO FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM AND WE WOULD ASK

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THAT YOU MONITOR THAT AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE CLOCK THIS EVENING. AGAIN, THAT JUST KEEPS THINGS MOVING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SO I KNOW AND NOT EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE TO SPEAK BY DOING THAT. THANK YOU.

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ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS CAN BE DIRECTED AT ME. THE CHAIR AND I DO JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER POINT IT'S REALLY AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE THAT WE ASK THAT ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY DOES NOT

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REFERENCE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. WE MAY HAVE SOME DISAGREEMENTS IN THE ROOM THIS EVENING WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY. BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU DON'T REFERENCE THE PRIOR SPEAKER OR THIS PERSON OVER

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HERE THAT KEEPS A BIT MORE OF A GENTLE ATTITUDE HERE IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS WHICH WE DO APPRECIATE. AND THE LAST THING IS THERE IS A SIGN IN SHEET UP THERE ON THE DAIS AS WELL. AFTER YOU'RE DONE TESTIFYING,

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IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IN FOR US FOR THE MINUTES PLEASE. THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. OKAY. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN AND I INVITE ANYONE WHO WOULD

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LIKE TO TESTIFY IN THIS ITEM TO STEP FORWARD . GOOD EVENING. IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

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CHAIR HI. MY NAME IS DAVID AXELSSON. I LIVE IN THE RIVER QUEST IF OF COURSE TOWNHOME ASSOCIATION COMPLEX. I AM ON THE BOARD OF THE

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COMPLEX AND HAVE BEEN FOR MANY YEARS. I FIRST I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES SO I WAS GOING TO COMPLIMENT THE BOARD THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND MY

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SONS ON THE LONG LAKE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT YOU DO. IT'S MORE NEGATIVE THAN POSITIVE THAT YOU GO THROUGH IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

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I HAVE THREE ISSUES. ONE IS AND I'LL TAKE THEM IN REVERSE ORDER THAT I'M ONE IS THE COLOR CHOICE OF THE

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DEVELOPER FOR THE COMPLEX. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT COORDINATES WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY THE COLOR SCHEMES THAT ARE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND I ASK THE PLANNING

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COMMISSION TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THE COLOR CODE COLOR SCHEME OF OTHER COMPLEX VERSUS THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

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THE SECOND ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE COMPLEX . THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES DO NOT FIT WELL INTO THE AREA

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DEVELOPED AROUND IT. THE HOUSES AND THE TOWNHOMES ARE NOT OF THIS NATURE OF DESIGN AT ALL. SO IT LOOKS LIKE KIND OF A

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BLEMISH TO THE COMMUNITY IN ITS DESIGN. I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER LOOKING CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVES TO THE DESIGN.

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AND THIRDLY MOST IMPORTANTLY AND LOOK AT MY TIME I HAVE READ THE I'VE LOOKED AT THE FIRST THERE MAIN CONCERN I

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HAVE IS WITH THE STORM DRAINAGE OF THE COMMUNITY. I'VE LOOKED AT THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS. I CAN'T READ ANY OF THEM PUBLICLY AND MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS CANNOT EITHER.

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BUT I ASK THIS QUESTION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROPERTY THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY PERVIOUS SOIL ALMOST ENTIRELY AND NOW IS BEING DEVELOPED INTO AND

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DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 7,080% IMPERVIOUS AND HAVING GREATER SLOPES TOWARDS THE RIVERCREST TOWNHOMES FROM WHAT IT EXISTS

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TODAY. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT AN ENGINEERING FIRM WOULD COME UP AND SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE LESS WATER STORM DAMAGE FLOW INTO RIVERCREST COMMUNITY THAN

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THERE EXISTS TODAY. THAT SOUNDS FOOLISH TO ME AS AS A CONCLUSION AND UNLESS THE

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DEVELOPER HAS SOME TYPE OF STORM DRAINAGE PLAN TO HANDLE STORM DRAIN WATER WITHIN THEIR COMPLEX AND IF THEY DO I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION AS THE CHAIRMAN TO

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ALLOW THEM TO EXPLAIN TO THE MEMBERSHIP HERE WHAT THEIR STORM DRAIN PLAN IS TO CARE TO PREVENT EXCESSIVE STORM WATER DRAINING GOING INTO THE RIVER

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COMMUNITY. TIME'S UP. THANK YOU, MR. AXELSON. AND WE ALWAYS ALLOW EXTRA TIME FOR COMPLIMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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NO, IT'S MORE NEGATIVE THAN IS POSITIVE IN ALL OF YOUR WORK AND FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE TALKING TO MY SON. I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR

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DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO A GOOD WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS HE'S SIGNING IT, WE'LL ASK THE NEXT SPEAKER TO COME ON FOR IT.

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GOOD EVENING. HELLO. MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHER DAWN. THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS HEARING. I APPRECIATE IT. I'M A RESIDENT IN CASTLE GLEN AND I'VE LIVED THERE WITH MY FAMILY FOR EIGHT YEARS.

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I'VE GOT YOUNG CHILDREN AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUIET AND THAT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC SEEMS REASONABLE ON BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD. ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS SAFETY

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IN TERMS OF THE SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM DRED SCOTT DOWN TO PLYMPTON FERRY IS VERY ACTIVE WITH PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE WALKING

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THEIR DOGS AND YOU'RE GOING FROM THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO 16 UNITS THAT ARE AVERAGING TWO CARS. ANOTHER 32 OR 26 VEHICLES. YOU MENTIONED THERE MAY BE

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SIGNAGE NEEDED. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG HICCUP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO THAT YOU KNOW, KIDS SAFETY

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IS DEFINITELY I THINK SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WITH THIS AND YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU . IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM ? GOOD EVENING.

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GOOD EVENING. SAY MY NAME IS CHARLIE BASS AND I ALSO LIVE IN THE ADJACENT RIVERCREST WEST WIND. HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

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MY HOME IS ON 112 ZERO WHICH BASICALLY FACES THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I GUESS I WONDER ABOUT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATED WITH

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THIS DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THAT IN OUR ASSOCIATION WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS AND THEY ROTATE THROUGH THE WHOLE VARIETY OF COMMUNITY THERE DEVELOP SOMETHING IN THE

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COMMUNITY. SO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LEVEL OF OF CONTROL BY THE HOA.

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MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD AND THE WHAT THIS ASSOCIATION IS TRYING TO DO. I KNOW THAT FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE A LIFT STATION AND WE

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HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT WATCHES IT SO WHEN IT GOES OUT NOT ONLY WE NEED TO CALL SOMEBODY BUT WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT HAS THE KEY AND I HAVE THE BACKUP KEY.

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SO I WONDER BECAUSE WE WORRY ABOUT SANITARY AND SEWAGE AND CONTAMINATED SEWAGE AND WHERE THIS ALL GOES.

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AND ARE ANY OF THESE SYSTEMS SUBJECT TO CATASTROPHIC FAILURE? WHAT WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE? WHO'S IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THE ALL THE STUFF IS

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MAINTAINED AND UP KEPT REGULARLY ARE. I THINK THAT WE'VE HAD GOOD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPER AND HOPE TO BE ABLE

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TO WORK WITH THEM AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THIS COMMUNITY. WE HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND THAT FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY. I WALK 112TH STREET 3 OR 4

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TIMES A DAY TO WALK MY DOG AND AND ON THE LEFT SIDE AS I WALK TOWARDS BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD I HAVE TWO FAIRLY LOW BUILDINGS ON THE RIGHT SIDE

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NOW I WILL HAVE TO MOVE A MUCH TALLER BUILDING. IT FEELS LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE TO ME THAN WHAT I'VE WALKED AROUND IN THIS COMMUNITY AND

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NEIGHBORHOOD. THE EIGHT HOMES AND THEIR HEIGHT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SET BACK FROM 112 THEIR PROXIMITY TO THAT STREET AND THEY'RE ON A HILL ABOVE THE STREET GIVES

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US A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FEEL TO THE COMMUNITY THAN WE'RE USED TO HAVING AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUE FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT COMES IN AND OUT OF IT.

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AND THEN ONE LAST THING THAT HOMEOWNER SAID TO ME. HE SAID HE SAID JUST ONE OF THOSE TALL BUILDINGS AWAY HE SAYS HE SAYS I SEE THESE

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NARROW STRUCTURES WITH THIS TERRIBLE WEIGHT AND SAND AND HE USES THE WORD CALLED UH, I'M SORRY BALL BEARINGS.

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HE SAID I COULD SEE THESE ON A WIDER PLATFORM BUT ALL THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW THINGS HE SAYS IT'S INHERENTLY A CONCERN. I'M DONE. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR

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YOUR ATTENTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH . MM HMM. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE

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CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ? MS. BROWN, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY? PARTICIPANTS ONLINE CONSISTS OF ONE STAFF MEMBER AND TWO APPLICANTS FOR ITEM THREE.

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THANK YOU, MS.. BROWN. I WILL PROVIDE A LAST CALL FOR ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM . I JUST HAD ONE OTHER THOUGHT.

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OKAY. FROZEN WHEN I WAS UP HERE IS JUST THE LOCATION OF IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE MORE IN LIKE A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WHERE IT WOULD ALLOW FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC TO LIVE THERE AND WALK

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TO THE SERVICES THAT YOU NEED VERSUS PUTTING IT IN A MORE SECLUDED AREA WHERE EVERYWHERE YOU GO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRIVE AND USE YOUR CAR CONSTANTLY TO GET TO ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT YOU NEED

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. THANK YOU MR. . AS I HAD ASKED IF THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSION WOULD ALLOW

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THE DEVELOPMENT OR EXPLAIN IN LAYMAN'S TERMS THERE ARE STORM CONTAINMENT PLAN FOR THE MEMBERS. MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND I AND I DIDN'T SEE YOU

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ACKNOWLEDGING DOING THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. AXELSON. WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION FIRST FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY AND IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO BRING THE APPLICANT BACK UP WE'LL HAVE

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AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. FINAL CALL FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE, I WILL LOOK FOR A

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MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I.

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I OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. COMMISSION WE HEARD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS FROM

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THE PUBLIC AND I THINK WILL BEFORE WE MOVE INTO DISCUSSION GIVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO ASK STAFF IF THEY'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY OF THE ITEMS WE HEARD EITHER IN PUBLIC

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TESTIMONY OR WE ALSO DO HAVE A A NUMBER OF PIECES OF WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE BEFORE US. IF ANYONE WONDERS WHETHER WE READ THOSE OR RECEIVE THEM, WE MOST CERTAINLY DO AND THEY'VE BEEN CAREFULLY REVIEWED BY THE

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PLANNING COMMISSION. AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO FOLLOW UP ON ANY OF THE ITEMS WE HEARD DURING PUBLIC TESTIMONY. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU, CHAIR.

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WE'VE GOT A FEW RAPID FIRE ONES FOR STAFF. MS. HESS BACK CONCERN WAS RAISED ABOUT HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDINGS. THIS APPLICATION COMPLIES WITH

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CODES AND ZONING. IS THAT CORRECT? AND AS FAR AS BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE CONCERNED. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM YES IT IT MEETS APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS. >> EXCELLENT. AND THEN I BELIEVE YOU

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MENTIONED THIS IN THE STAFF REPORT. IT MEETS THE APPLICABLE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR DENSITY PER ACRE FOR HABITABLE UNIT PER ACRE.

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YEP. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM BE ALLOW BOARD AND SEE AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE IN THIS

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DEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT 3.5. EXCELLENT. AND THEN I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE PACKET AND IN FRONT OF THE FULL PHONE BOOK THIS WEEK BUT PART OF THIS APPLICATION WOULD

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HAVE ESSENTIALLY CONDITIONS OF PERMIT WHERE DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS WOULD NEED TO SIGN OFF BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTED. >> IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM YES, THERE'S A PRETTY LONG

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LIST OF CONDITIONS SOME INCLUDING LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. MISSPEAK WE HEARD AND SAW A NUMBER OF PIECES

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OF CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO UTILITIES. CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT? ARE THERE NEW UTILITY SERVICES BEING ADDED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? HOW DO THEY TIE INTO THE

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EXISTING NETWORK, ETC.? >> CHAIR COOKED IN THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I'M GOING TO PASS THAT ON TO

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EITHER NICK JOHNSON OR SOMEONE FROM ENGINEERS TO START WITH. MR. JOHNSON. YEAH. CHAIR COGEN THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. WE DO HAVE CITY ENGINEER JULIE LONG AND BRIAN HANSON HERE IF WE WANT TO DIG INTO MORE

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DETAILS BUT EFFECTIVELY WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS PRIVATE UTILITIES, SANITARY SEWER AND WATER THAT CONNECT OUT TO THE PUBLIC MAIN AND BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD. SO THAT'S KIND OF TYPICAL OF A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT IS TO

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HAVE PRIVATE SERVICES UNDER THE NORTH THE PRIVATE ROADWAY EFFECTIVELY THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION. MR. JOHNSON IS THIS PRETTY TYPICAL TO HAVE I ADMIT I'M NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY EXPERT.

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IS IT FAIRLY TYPICAL TO SEE PRIVATE UTILITIES AROUND THE CITY AND I SEE MR. HANSON COMING FORWARD TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS WELL . YEAH.

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GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. CHAIR YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO FOR A TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT THIS IS VERY TYPICAL TO SEE PRIVATE UTILITIES. SO AS MR. JOHNSON MENTIONED PRIVATE WATER SANITARY AND STORM WILL BE CONNECTING IN TO

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THE CITY SERVICES ON BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD. SO ALL THE UTILITIES WITHIN THE COMPLEX ARE PRIVATE UTILITIES. THEY'LL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE COMPLEX. THANK YOU MR. HANSON AND AS THESE APPLICANTS COME FORWARD WITH APPLICATIONS ARE YOU DOES THE CITY WORK WITH THE

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APPLICANT TO UNDERSTAND AND HOW THOSE UTILITIES CONNECT INTO THE CITY SYSTEMS ETC.? YES WE DO. SO OUR UTILITIES DIVISION TAKES A LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CAPACITY TO SERVE THAT SO BOTH FROM A WATER STANDPOINT, FROM A SANITARY

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SEWER CAPACITY STANDPOINT THEN OBVIOUSLY WE REVIEW THE STORMWATER REPORT AS WELL TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CAPACITY FOR THAT TO TREAT THE STORMWATER THAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THE SITE AND SO ON. THIS APPLICATION THE CITY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT I IMAGINE FOR SOME TIME WORKING ALL THOSE DETAILS

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THROUGH THAT IS CORRECT. CHAIR WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THIS EVENING AND THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU REFLECT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE APPLICANT IN RESPONSE TO STAFF'S COMMENTS AND PREVIOUS

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MEETINGS PRIOR TO TONIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU MR. HANSON FOR SHOWING ME. THANK YOU. CHAIR THIS IS A TECHNICAL QUESTION PROBABLY FOR STAFF OR A SEMANTICS QUESTION.

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WE KEEP USING THE TERM TOWNHOME AND IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT THESE IN MY VISION ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LIKE WHAT IS A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN WHAT

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CONSTITUTES A TOWN ON VERSUS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? CHAIR COMMISSIONER WHEN A IN THIS INSTANCE A SINGLE

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FAMILY HOME IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON NEEDS A MUCH LARGER LIKE LOT AREA, LOT SIZE THESE DETACHED TOWNHOMES ARE ONE AND A GENERAL LIKE

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DEVELOPMENT IN ASSOCIATION WITH EACH OTHER AND TO ARE DENSER LOCATED CLOSER TO EACH OTHER AND HAVE DIFFERENT SETBACKS AS A DEVELOPMENT.

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CHAIR IF I MAY ADD TO THAT JUST I THINK WHAT SOME FOLKS ARE SEEING FROM THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT IS THEY REFER TO THEM AS VILLAGE LOTS AND EFFECTIVELY HOW THEY'RE BUILT OR DEVELOPED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IS TYPICALLY

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THROUGH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS. THE BLOOMINGTON PD OVERLAY DISTRICT HAS LIMITS ON REDUCTIONS ON SITE AREA AND SITE FRONTAGE WHICH IS MOST RELEVANT IN ORDER TO CREATE

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THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT. HERE IN BLOOMINGTON PRIOR TO THE MISSING MIDDLE ORDINANCE IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN AN ATTACHED PRODUCT ATTACHED TOWNHOMES AND THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO SEEK REZONING AS PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION PACKAGE.

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SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY THEY'RE JUST BUILT LOTS. THEY'RE BECOMING MORE POPULAR IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. ASSOCIATION MAINTAINED I THINK IS ONE OF THE BIG DRIVERS FOR

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SOME FOLKS THEY HOPE FOR THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT . MR. SPEAKER, I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. WE SAW IN WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE AND I BELIEVE FROM ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TO

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CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAIL THAT'S NEARBY. CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH AS THE CITY IS REVIEWING AN APPLICATION AND PREPARING IT TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHAT TYPE OF REVIEWS HAPPEN WHEN THERE IS LIKE AN EXISTING TRAIL

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NEARBY IN APPLICATION? >> CHAIR YES, SO I TALKED WITH KIRK ROBERTS, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER EARLIER TODAY AND SO HE KIND OF WALKED ME THROUGH

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HIS REVIEW SO HE WAS LOOKING AT WHERE THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS LAY AND HOW THEY INTERSECT WITH THE TRAIL. AND SO WHAT HE HAD SAID IS THAT THE DRIVEWAYS INTERSECT

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WITH THE TRAIL AND ROADWAY AT APPROXIMATELY 90 DEGREES AND THERE ARE NO OBVIOUS SITE OBSTRUCTIONS THAT WOULD RESTRICT DRIVERS VIEW OF TRAIL USERS.

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AND HE ALSO PROVIDED SOME TRAFFIC VOLUME INFORMATION AND CRASH INFORMATION. AND SO I THINK HE WAS KIND OF LOOKING THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND REVIEWING AND GRADE

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AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THANK YOU. SO JUST AS A MATTER OF REASSURANCE FOR THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE AN ON STAFF TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT THAT'S REVIEWING THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS BEFORE THEY COME TO THE

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PLANNING COMMISSION. THAT IS CORRECT. CHAIR THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. COMMISSIONER MUNSTER THANK YOU ,MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

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THAT ARE PROBABLY BEST GOING TO BE ANSWERED BY THE APPLICANT. THE FIRST IS WHAT IS THE INTENTION FOR LANDSCAPING OR SOME SORT OF SOMETHING ON THE

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1/12 STREET NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? I KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK PUT THERE BUT THIS DOES IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE BACK OF HOUSES FACING THE FRONT OF OTHER HOUSES. IS THERE ANY ACCOMMODATION FOR THAT?

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I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT BACK UP TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND IF I COULD JUST ASK THAT YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION SO WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION OR AN

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OPPORTUNITY JUST IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IS APPRECIATE IT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU CHAIR. PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER THE ALONG 112 THERE IS IT'S ACTUALLY THE FRONT FACADE

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OF THE HOMES SO IT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE A FRONT THAN A REAR. SO THERE ARE FOUNDATION PLANTINGS PROPOSED ON OUR CURRENT PLAN AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF TREES ARE GOING TO REMAIN THAT ARE JUST OFF THE

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PROPERTY THAT WILL STAY IN PLACE. THANK YOU. PLEASE. MY NEXT QUESTION IS TO FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT STORM DRAINAGE FROM THE SITE.

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IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT AND SORT OF ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS. SURE. SO STORMWATER SYNOPSIS OF THE

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SITE SO WE HAVE TO TO MEET STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS FOR A SITE LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO MEET RENT CONTROL, VOLUME CONTROL AND WATER QUALITY CONTROL AND THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE AT AT OR BELOW THE EXISTING CONDITION

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FOUR RATES. SO ANY TIME ANY WATER THAT'S RUNNING OFF THE SITE, THE EXISTING CONDITION, THE PROPOSED CONDITION, WE HAVE TO MATCH THAT RATE. THE WAY THAT WE ACHIEVE THAT IS WITH A POND. SO HERE WE DON'T HAVE AN

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ABOVEGROUND POND. WE HAVE AN A BELOW GROUND STORM WATER BASIN CHAMBER WHERE WE STORE THE WATER AND THEN LET IT SLOWLY RELEASE SO WE DON'T INCREASE ANY RUNOFF

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RATES TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. WE ALSO THAT UNDERGROUND STORMWATER CHAMBER ALSO ACHIEVES WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AND VOLUME ABSTRACTION. SO DUE TO THIS SITE BEING ON A

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VERY SANDY SOIL A LOT OF THE STORMWATER WILL ACTUALLY GO INTO THIS TANK AND IT'S PERFORATED AND THE WATER WILL SOAK INTO THE GROUND. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THREE ELEMENTS OF THAT BUT WE DO

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MEET AND EXCEED ALL THE CITY STANDARDS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR THE SITE PLEASE . AND IN TERMS OF PLACEMENT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT CERTAINLY BUT THERE

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ARE SOME DASHED RECTANGLES IN WHAT I BELIEVE IS PARCEL B OR I MIGHT BE IS THAT WHERE THAT IS GOING TO BE? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE WHICH IS THE KIND OF THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THE

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SITE BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE NATURAL DRAINAGE PATTERN TO GET ALL OF THE STORMWATER TO THAT AREA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

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APPLICANT WHILE WE HAVE THEM UP HERE? COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST TO HAMMER HOME THE IT EVERYTHING LOOKS SO WONDERFUL ON A 2D PLAN VIEW BUT IT IS A SITE.

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PAGE 45 OF THE PACKET SHOWS YOUR PROPOSED UTILITY PLAN AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAVE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES IN THE BACKYARDS TO PREVENT RUNOFF TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT. SO PART OF THE BLUFF

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MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE NON DEGRADATION OF THE BLUFF. SO WE ARE INTENTIONALLY PUTTING STORMWATER STORM SEWER ALL ALONG THE BACK OF THOSE HOMES ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO

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PICK UP ANY ROUGH WATER RUNOFF AND DIRECT THAT INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

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APPLICANT? THANK YOU SIR PATRICK. THANK YOU. OKAY COMMISSIONERS, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF WHICH ARE ALWAYS WELCOME, I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO MOVE INTO DISCUSSION.

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GROCERIES. ALL RIGHT. WARMING UP . COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

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OVERALL, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION. I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR REACHING OUT AND WORKING WITH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, ADJACENT LANDOWNERS TAKING THEIR FEEDBACK AND BRINGING IT

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BACK. I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NOT EVERYONE THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY TO PLEASE EVERYONE EVERY STAKEHOLDER IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

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BUT I THINK THAT YOU'VE DONE A COMMENDABLE JOB OF ENGAGING AND PLANNING AND WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE COMMUNITY. STORM DRAINAGE WAS A BIG CONCERN FOR EVERYONE.

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AND THEN NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY I HAVE ALL CONFIDENCE IN THE WORLD AND OUR CITY'S TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT FOR THAT. AND I KNOW THAT IT TAKES A LOT TO GET A LICENSE AND CIVIL ENGINEERING AND I'M SURE YOU

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DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT. SO I AM LISTENING TO THE EXPERTS HERE. SOME STRUCTURAL CONCERNS WERE RAISED AND BUILDINGS ARE BUILT ON SAND ALL THE TIME. I'M SURE THAT THOSE WILL COME

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OUT IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. WE HAVE BUILDING CODES FOR A REASON AND I THINK THAT IT OVERALL BRINGS A YOU KNOW, IT HELPS.

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IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY THESE AREN'T LOW INCOME BUILDINGS OR HOMES IN THE MISSING MIDDLE BUT IT STILL ADDS DENSITY TO THE CITY AS WE NEED MORE HOUSING FOR MORE FOLKS.

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I THINK IT'S AN OVERALL STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I'M IN SUPPORT. THANKS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. WE'RE SHOWING IT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND JUST TO BUILD ON COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM'S HAMM'S COMMENTS, I HAD BEEN

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CURIOUS IN READING THE READ AHEAD MATERIAL AND ALSO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC HOW THIS REALLY FIT INTO THE MISSING MIDDLE CONVERSATION. BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF CREATING SPACE FOR

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PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DOWNSIZE MOVE TO MORE ACCESSIBLE LIVING AS THEY AGE IN PLACE. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT QUITE REGULARLY IN OUR MEETINGS AND I THINK DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY

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HOPEFULLY WILL DO IS MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WANT TO STAY IN BLOOMINGTON TO MOVE OUT OF THOSE HOUSES. THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES THAT ARE MAYBE BETTER SUITED FOR YOUNGER FAMILIES.

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SO I DO SEE BASED ON EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN TODAY MUCH MORE OF A ANSWER TO THE QUESTION HOW DOES THIS WORK WITH THE MISSING MIDDLE? SO I'M SUPPORTIVE.

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I TOO AM SUPPORTIVE OF A NEW HOUSING TYPE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS HERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEGINNING TO AGE AS A COMMUNITY AND OUR HOUSING STOCK WAS BUILT MANY

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DECADES AGO AND THIS TYPE OF MORE MODERN DOWNSIZED HOUSING IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE AND I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY TO ADD THIS TYPE OF HOUSING STOCK IN OUR CITY.

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AND AS IT RELATES TO NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL, I DON'T DOUBT THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE FEEL OF WHAT'S THERE TODAY. WE HAVE I THINK THREE HOUSES ON VERY LARGE LOTS THAT ARE

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KIND OF UNDEVELOPED AND JUST SITTING THERE. THIS IS GOING TO DENSIFY THAT TO BE SURE BUT AS IT FITS IN WITH THE REST OF ITS SURROUNDINGS I ACTUALLY THINK IT FITS IN QUITE WELL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSES JUST TO THE NORTH AND I THINK

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IT'S TO THE WEST BUT NORTH AND SORT OF WEST OF HERE IT'S VERY SIMILAR SIZE AND SCALE OF HOUSES TO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE HERE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S

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QUITE PLOPPING A HUGE AMOUNT OF DENSITY IN A VERY ON DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A RELATIVELY DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BEGIN WITH AND I THINK IT FITS IN ACTUALLY QUITE WELL.

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I DO JUST WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE. WE'VE GOT A ROOMFUL OF PEOPLE HERE WHICH IS WONDERFUL TO SEE AND CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE TESTIMONY. THERE'S NO BETTER WAY FOR US TO LEARN THAN TO HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE

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WHO LIVE NEARBY. AND I WISH WE HAD THIS MANY PEOPLE IN HERE FOR FOR EVERY APPLICATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE. AS IT STANDS, YOU KNOW, WE

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HAVE FINDINGS TO MAKE AS WE OFTEN GO BACK TO ON THIS PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE UNILATERAL AUTHORITY. WE CAN'T DO WHATEVER WE WANT OR DO THINGS BECAUSE WE LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT.

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WE HAVE FINDINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN APPROVE AN APPLICATION AND AS IT RELATES TO THIS APPLICATION I'M ABLE TO MAKE ALL THE FINDINGS FOR AN APPROVAL AND SO THEREFORE I AM

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IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION BEFORE US . ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM COMMISSIONERS?

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IF NOT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM IN CASE APPEAL 2026-62I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE FINAL SITE AND

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BUILDING PLANS FOR 16 DETACHED TOWNHOME AT 1121611208 AND 11140 BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD. SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS TO THE STAFF

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REPORT. THERE A SECOND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR

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IN KIM IN CASE NUMBER 2026-62I MOVED TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FINAL

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PLAT OF WEST HAVEN TO SUBDIVIDE 1121611208 AND 11140 BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD INTO 16 LOTS AND TO OUT LOTS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND

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CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE AT THIS TIME THREE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND FINAL

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PLAT. ANY FINAL DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO THIS GOES BEFORE

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THE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 18TH 2026 ON THEIR CONSENT AGENDA MR. JOHNSON BEING THAT WE HAVE A ROOMFUL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN THIS, HOW DOES AN ITEM GET REMOVED FROM THE

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CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSSED IN THE REGULAR MEETING AT CITY COUNCIL? YEAH THANK YOU CHAIR COOKED IN IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COUNCIL SO PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS THAT DON'T NECESSITATE A PUBLIC HEARING

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ARE ALWAYS PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SOMETIMES THE CITY COUNCIL PULLS THOSE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION SOMETIMES THEY DO NOT. IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COUNCIL. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR A FURTHER

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DISCUSSION FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS YOUR OPTION WOULD BE TO CONTACT YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST TO LET FOLKS KNOW IF YOU AREN'T AS INTERESTED AND THE FURTHER ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA

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YOU ARE WELCOME TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS HERE. WE'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO DO SO. WELL WE HAVE LOTS OF FUN COMING UP SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY THE PROPERTY

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PARTNERS FOR THE PARKING . OKAY. IF THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE THE SAME WITH YOU

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, ITEM NUMBER TWO ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS FOR THE GALLERY PERMITS A REZONING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS AT 7900 XERXES AVENUE SOUTH AND 3400

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AMERICAN BOULEVARD WEST. OUR STAFF REPORT IS PROVIDED BY MR. DYLAN PALMER. GOOD EVENING. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER TWO GALLERY PERMITS MAY MAYBE IF POWERPOINT WANTS TO PLAY NICE AREA.

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>> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE SITE OF THE PROPOSED GALLERY APARTMENTS DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND XERXES AVENUE

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RIGHT ALONG I-4 94. THIS IS JUST WEST OF THE PENN AMERICAN DISTRICT, ALSO HOME OF THE WELLS FARGO TOWER. SO THE LARGE TOWER WITH THE CIRCULAR SECTION ON TOP TO

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GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE THIS IS AT THE SITE IS COMPOSED OF TWO PARCELS 3400 AMERICAN WHICH IS THE WELLS FARGO TOWER PARCEL AND THEN 7900 XERXES WHICH IS

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THE PARCEL TO THE EAST THERE ON THIS IT'S THE BIG GIANT PARKING LOT THERE DIRECTLY NEXT TO XERXES AVENUE. THIS SITE IS KIND OF UNIQUE. IT HAS A LARGE OVERHEAD POWER

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LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE NORTHERN PORTION OF IT AND THAT'S THAT THIN LITTLE GREEN LINE RUNNING THROUGH THERE THAT CAUSES SOME HEADACHES WITH DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER AREAS OF THAT POWER LINE.

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SO I'LL EXPLAIN THAT LATER WHY THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. FIRST PART OF THIS APPLICATION IS A REZONING FROM CO1 TO C FOUR. SO CO1 IS ONE OF OUR LEGACY. ZONING DISTRICTS IS ONE OF THE

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OLDEST DISTRICTS IN THE CODE. IT'S LOCATED IN A LOT OF THESE PARCELS ALONG I-4 94, A LOT OF OFFICE BUILDINGS AND RELATED DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THAT SEAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT HAS A

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LOT OF RESTRICTIVE SETBACK STANDARDS AND OTHER BUILDING STANDARDS FOR AREA RATIO STANDARDS THAT WOULD REALLY PREVENT A PROPOSAL LIKE THIS FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE

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STANDARDS UNDER THE SEAL IN DISTRICT. SO THAT'S WHY THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THIS TO C FOUR WHICH IS THE FREEWAY OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT. THE C FOUR DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR

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LESSONS SETBACKS. IT ALSO PERMITS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BY RIGHT IN THAT DISTRICT. THESE ARE ALSO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICTS. IT WAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT PRIOR TO THIS

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REZONING APPLICATION AND IT'S EXPECTED TO CONTINUE AT THIS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

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SO THIS IS THE ENTIRE SITE. SO 3400 AMERICAN AND 7960 SHOWING BOTH THE WELLS FARGO TOWER THERE ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE PROPOSED APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT ON THE RIGHT. SO THE GALLERY APARTMENT

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DEVELOPMENT IS COMPOSED OF TWO PHASES TONIGHT ON THE FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT PHASE ONE. HOWEVER, WITH THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN THEY'RE SHOWING A PHASE TWO FUTURE CONSTRUCTION BUILDING ON THE

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VERY NORTH NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY IF THEY ARE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND

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CITY COUNCIL FOR A UPDATED FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS WELL OTHER IN ADDITION THEY'RE ADDING A 53 SURFACE STYLE LOT TO THE NORTH OF THE TOWER

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THAT'S TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT WILL BE TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENT DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THIS IS JUST A PARKING COUNT BECAUSE THERE IS

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A VERY LARGE PARKING LOT THERE ALREADY THAT'S GOING AWAY BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEW APARTMENT BUILDING THEY ARE PROPOSING TO

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HAVE APPROXIMATELY 2016 SPACES THAT'S 102 SPACES SHORT OF THE 2118 REQUIRED OF THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER OF THE WELLS FARGO TOWER ARE IN A TENTATIVE

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SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT FOR 168 SHARED SPACES FOR THAT WOULD BE IN ALL OF THOSE SURFACE LOTS ME GO BACK HERE ALL OF THE SURFACE LOTS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED BOLD ON THIS MAP I WOULD BE PART OF THAT SHARED

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PARKING AGREEMENT STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AGREEMENT AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY CONFLICT WITH THE PARKING BEING UNDER THE NUMBER THERE. ALL RIGHT.

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AND THEN MOVING ON TO LOOK AT THE PHASE ONE OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING. SO THIS IS A SIX STORY BUILDING WITH APPROXIMATELY 270 UNITS. THERE WILL BE 345 ENCLOSED

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PARKING STALLS WHICH IS ABOVE OUR REQUIREMENT FOR ENCLOSED PARKING STALLS. THERE IS A PROPOSED AMENITY TERRACE, A POOL LOCATED ON THAT TERRACE FITNESS CENTER, A

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ROOF DECK, A COURTYARD THERE INSIDE OF THE THE DONUT HOLE AS WELL AS TWO LEVELS OF ENCLOSED PARKING THAT WILL

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BE ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING AND THEN ONE SUBTERRANEAN LEVEL ARE THERE ALSO PROPOSING BIKE STORAGE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THAT WILL BE LOCATED IN THE GARAGE AS WELL AND THAT MEETS ALL THE BIKE STORAGE

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REQUIREMENTS. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT'S CODE COMPLYING. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PLANNING A LOT OF TREES ALONG XERXES AND AMERICAN AS WELL AS PLANNING

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SOME TREES ALONG SOUTHTOWN DRIVE WHICH IS THAT 494 FRONTAGE ROAD TO THE NORTH. IF YOU NOTICE THIS DOES NOT SHOW PHASE TWO. THEY WILL IF THEY DO APPLY FOR PHASE TWO IN THE FUTURE THEY WILL NEED TO COME BACK WITH AN

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AMENDED LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THESE ARE THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS. ONE OF THOSE IS FROM THE CORNER OF CIRCUSES IN AMERICAN AND THEN THE OTHERS FROM THE

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SOUTHWEST SIDE LOOKING AT THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT IS FROM THE SOUTHWEST SIDE LOOKING AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING . ALL RIGHT. AS PART OF THE PLAN

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DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT IS ABLE TO REQUEST FLEXIBILITY ON CERTAIN STANDARDS FROM THE ZONING CODE. IN THIS CASE THEY'RE REQUESTING THREE SETBACK REDUCTIONS AND ONE REDUCTION TO STORAGE SPACE REQUIREMENTS

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SETBACK REDUCTIONS ARE SUPPORTED BY STAFF BECAUSE THIS WILL ALLOW THE BUILDING TO BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE STREET, A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO XERXES AND AMERICAN AND ON THE NORTH SIDE

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PARTICULARLY THERE'S A VERY LARGE BOULEVARD. SO THIS IS A VERY LARGE SPACE BETWEEN THE CURB OF SOUTHBOUND DRIVE AND THE EDGE OF THE FUTURE PHASE TWO BUILDING THAT MORE OR LESS MEET WOULD MEET A

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SETBACK IF THE PROPERTY LINE WERE CLOSER TO THE STREET. THE STORAGE BASED REDUCTION IS TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED NUMBER FROM 270 STORAGE UNITS DOWN TO 61 UNITS.

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SO IN OUR ZONING CODE EACH APARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A STORAGE SPACE SEPARATE FROM THE APARTMENT. OUR INCENTIVES REDUCE THAT REQUIREMENT TO 50% SO DOWN TO 135 STORAGE SPACES AND THE

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APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FURTHER REDUCTION DUE DOWN TO 61 SPACES DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS AND AGAIN STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT OF HOW STAFF GAUGES THESE FLEXIBILITY REQUESTS IS THROUGH A PUBLIC

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BENEFITS TEST. SO COMPARED TO A VARIANCE WHERE WE HAVE TO MAKE CERTAIN FINDINGS IN THIS CASE WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE PUBLIC BENEFITS OF THESE REDUCTIONS OR THESE REQUESTS FOR REDUCTIONS.

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IN THIS CASE STAFF WAS LOOKING AT THE FOR STORAGE SPACE EXAMPLE THERE'S MORE ROOM IN THE BUILDING NOW FOR ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS, FOR BIKE STORAGE, FOR PARKING THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE TAKEN UP BY

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STORAGE CAGES OR STORAGE LOCKERS THAT AREN'T BEING USED. LOOKING AT THE SETBACK REDUCTIONS, THOSE ARE PROMOTING MORE DENSITY ON THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR

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PROMOTING AGAIN MORE DEVELOPMENT, MORE UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE PRESENCE OF THE POWER LINE THAT RUNS PRETTY MUCH BISECTS THE PROPERTY CREATES A VERY UNIQUE CONDITION WHERE THEY

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HAVE TO MODIFY THE BUILDING TO BE VERY CLOSE TO XERXES AND AMERICAN TO STAY OUT OF THAT POWER LINE EASEMENT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING EXCUSE ME PROPOSING

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 9% OF THE UNITS PROVIDED AT 60% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME UNITS ARE A MIX OF STUDIOS ONE BEDROOMS, TWO BEDROOMS AND THREE BEDROOMS. THEY'RE LOOKING AT USING SOME

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INCENTIVES AGAIN TO REDUCE THE STORAGE SPACE REQUIREMENT AND THEN THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EXTERIOR MATERIALS ON THE NORTH AND WEST FACES OF THE BUILDING. ALL RIGHT.

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AND THEN THIS WILL THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THE RECOMMENDING AUTHORITY. SO THE NEXT STEP IF THIS IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT WILL BE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE FIRST FOR

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FINAL APPROVAL. THANK YOU, MR. BUTLER. WE WILL BEGIN WITH QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER. MR.. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT

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I'M EXCUSE ME UNDERSTANDING THE PARKING THE SURFACE PARKING SPACES ARE ALL TO SERVE THE WELLS FARGO BUILDING CORRECT ME GO BACK TO THE

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LARGE SO THE SURFACE PARKING SPACES ON THIS MAP SO YOU KIND OF SEE THERE'S A VERY THIN LINE THERE THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE WELLS FARGO PROPERTY AND THE APARTMENT PROPERTY.

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ALL OF THOSE SPACES THAT ARE KIND OF SHADED GRAY ARE PROPOSED TO SERVE JUST THE WELLS FARGO PROPERTY. IN ADDITION, WELLS FARGO ALSO HAS 1256 ENCLOSED SPACES. THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE PARKING

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RAMP THERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY AND THEN THEY HAVE A RAMP UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING AS WELL AND NEITHER OF THOSE ARE EVER AT CAPACITY. SO THE SPACES HERE THAT ARE

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NOT SHADED GRAY SO THOSE ARE ALL THOSE THE BOLDED SPACES ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S 168 SURFACE STALLS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE SHARED USE. SO DURING THE DAY THEY WOULD

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BE USED BY WELLS FARGO TOWER CUSTOMERS OR EMPLOYEES OR WHOEVER AND IN THE EVENING THEY WOULD BE USED BY APARTMENT RESIDENTS. MR..

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MR. IMAGE TO ASK A FOLLOW UP ON THAT. SO I GUESS WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THIS IN MY MIND IF AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE PARKING REQUIREMENTS CHANGE

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AND THESE ARE NO LONGER NEEDED ,COULD THE APPLICANT THEORETICALLY MAKE A LARGER FACE TO GET RID OF SOME OF THAT SURFACE PARKING AND PUT UP A LARGER BUILDING THERE?

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CHAIR COMMISSIONER MUNSTER, THEORETICALLY IF PARKING REQUIREMENTS WERE TO BE REDUCED THEY COULD DO THAT AGAIN. THAT WOULD JUST IT WOULD ALL COME DOWN TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE WHAT THE

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COUNCIL WILL DECIDE ON. THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON. ANYTHING TO ADD THAT CHAIR COOKED AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MUNSTER. I THINK THE OVERHEAD TRANSMISSION LINE IS GOING TO BE THE BIGGER CHALLENGE THAN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS

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IN THIS CASE. BUT I APPRECIATE THE IDEA THERE FOR SURE. COMMISSIONER WAIT. THANK YOU CHAIR THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFIC TO THIS

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APPLICATION BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IS CURRENTLY WHEN YOU SAY 60% OF THE ARMY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT IS THAT RIGHT NOW IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO KNOW LIKE WHAT WOULD

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THAT ACTUALLY COME OUT TO IN TERMS OF A DOLLAR AMOUNT? >> CHAIR COOK AND COMMISSIONER WHITE I THINK I'LL DEFER TO PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON ON THAT ONE. I HEAR MR. JOHNSON FURIOUSLY CLICKING AND TYPING HERE

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PERHAPS WE'LL GIVE HIM ANOTHER MINUTE AND GET BACK TO YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER LONNIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER SUMMERS OKAY. COMMISSIONER SUMMERS THIS

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REQUESTED INFORMATION IS ON PAGE 92 OF THE PACKET. I WILL JUMP TO COMMISSIONER

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WINNIE OH. OH, GOD. I JUST FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO OH, I KNOW WHAT IT WAS. THANK YOU, CHAIR MY QUESTION IS NOT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS BUT ON THIS OVERHEAD

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POWER LINE WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A REAL OBSTACLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. I ALSO KNOW THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A SHOCKING AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

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IS THERE A REASON WHY OR A PLAN FOR SOMEHOW PUTTING IT UNDERGROUND AT SOME POINT OR IS THAT JUST AN IMPOSSIBILITY AND IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WILL LIKELY ALWAYS HAVE TO

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WORK AROUND? MY CHAIR COOKED IN COMMISSIONER LINNEY I KNOW THAT THERE IS AGAIN IT IS AN ISSUE AND ESPECIALLY SOUTHTOWN AND THEN A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD I

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DON'T KNOW OF ANY PLANS BY EXCEL TO MOVE THE LINE AT ALL. I KNOW I CAN DEFER TO PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON AGAIN IF HE HAS ANY MORE BACKGROUND BUT I HAVE TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MOVEMENT WITH THE

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POWER COMPANY ON ANY FORM OF MODIFICATIONS TO IT. I SEE JULIE LONG COMING FOR. POWER LINE EXPERT NOT A POWER LINE EXPERT BY ANY STRETCH

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OF THE IMAGINATION. MR. CHAIR PLANNING COMMISSION ONE OF MY VERY FIRST PROJECTS WHEN I STARTED AT CITY 23 YEARS AGO WAS LOOKING AT UNDERGROUNDING THAT EXCEL POWER LINE AND IT WAS $1.5

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MILLION FOR EACH POLE AT THAT TIME AND DIDN'T INCLUDE ALL THE TRANSMISSION LINES BETWEEN POLE TO POLE. SO COUNCIL AT THAT TIME DECIDED THAT IT WAS COST

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PROHIBITIVE AND SO IT REMAINS IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE THERE FOR ITS FORESEEABLE FUTURE. THANK YOU MS. LONG. COMMISSIONER, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THIS.

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MY FIRST JOB WAS DESIGNING HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINES AND ONE ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT EVEN IF YOU BURY IT YOU STILL CAN'T BUILD ON TOP OF IT. AND SO BURYING A TRANSMISSION

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LINE IS GREAT FOR US THAT X BUT IT DOESN'T HELP WITH DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THEY STILL NEED I MEAN IT'S HE'S BEEN FORWARD OR WHATEVER AND SO YEAH YOU STILL CAN'T BUILD ON TOP OF IT EVEN IF IT'S BURIED COMMISSIONER WE THANK YOU

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CHAIR SO SINCE WE SEEM TO HAVE SOME WE DO SEEM TO HAVE SOME POWER LINE TRANSMISSION EXPERTS AT THE TABLE. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHETHER THERE'S BEEN ANY UPDATES TO THE SCIENCE REGARDING

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POTENTIAL HEALTH RISKS FOR LIVING TO CLOSE TO TRANSMISSION LINES BE THEY BURIED OR ABOVE GROUND FOR SURE. I DON'T HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT.

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THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. I BELIEVE YOU'VE FOUND THE ANSWER TO 60%. AM I? YEAH. THANK YOU. CHAIR COOKED AND SO JUST TO CONFIRM AS OF THE LAST YEAR'S

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AFFORDABILITY LIMITS A RENT AT A 60% THAT FOR AN EFFICIENCY WOULD BE $1,389 FOR A ONE BEDROOM $1,489 AND A TWO

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BEDROOM $1,788 PER MONTH. THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER SUMMERS IS NOT SURE WHO THIS QUESTION IS FOR.

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IS THIS PART OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD PART OF THE STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING TO CHANGE AMERICAN BOULEVARD? >> CHAIR CORRECT. AND COMMISSIONER SUMMERS YES. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE WESTERN

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END OF THAT STUDY. I BELIEVE THAT PARTS OF THE BRT STUDY RUN THROUGH THIS AREA AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SOME OF THE OPTIONS RUN ALONG SERVICES AVENUE.

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THERE ARE BUS SERVICES IN THIS AREA ALREADY. I BELIEVE IT'S THE 538, THE 542 AND THE 686. SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD SUPPORT MORE DENSITY ALONG THOSE TRANSIT LINES AND WOULD

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SUPPORT ONE MORE MORE RIDERSHIP FOR A POTENTIAL POTENTIAL BRT LINE AND MORE POTENTIAL TO REDEVELOP THAT AMERICAN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR THIS.

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MR. SUMMERS THANK YOU CHAIR THE WHAT IS THE WALL HEIGHT BY THE POOL ON THE OUTER SIDE BY THE SIDEWALK CHAIR KICKED IN COMMISSIONER SUMMERS I BELIEVE IT IS.

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I SAY IT'S EIGHT FEET TALL AT ITS HIGHEST POINT PLEASE IS ARE THE SO I'M LOOKING AT A PICTURE OF THIS BUILDING THAT

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I THINK IS FROM THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD SIDE. IS THAT ALSO IN YOUR PRESENTATION? I THINK YEAH. ARE THOSE TREES SOMETHING THAT

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COULD BE CHANGED IN THE APPLICATION BEFORE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE BUILDING IS BUILT? CHAIR COOK AND COMMISSIONER SUMMERS YES, THAT CAN CHANGE PRIOR TO THE BUILDING PERMIT SUMMIT OR WE CAN LOOK AT

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ALTERING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AT THERE IS A CONDITION BECAUSE THE TREES LOCATED INSIDE OF THE COURTYARD THE EXACT SPECIES HAVEN'T BEEN PICKED OUT YET SO THAT PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT WE CAN LOOK AT

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CHANGING THE SPECIES OR THE APPLICANT CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH US ON CHANGING THE LANDSCAPING IF NECESSARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ? THANK YOU MR. BUTLER. I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. WE WELCOME YOU TO STEP FORWARD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION.

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YES, GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOE MCELWAIN. I'M A DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND I'M AN ARCHITECT FOR CHASE REAL ESTATE AND I'VE BEEN DOING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING LIKE

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THIS ALL MY LAST 20 YEARS OR SO. FIRST I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS SITE FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS. GLEN MURCH, A GUARD,

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PREVIOUSLY REACHED OUT TO OUR OFFICE TO LOOK AT THIS SITE AT THAT TIME WHEN THE CURRENT THE WELLS FARGO TOWER WAS SOLD TO

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PRIME FINANCIAL THE CURRENT BUYER ABOUT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO AND AT THAT TIME I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AT LEAST THE CITY PLANNER AT THE TIME ALWAYS HAS SEEN THIS AS AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AND WANTED TO SEE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

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SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S JUST NOT UNTIL NOW THAT THE CURRENT OWNERS HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY DON'T NEED ALL THE PARKING AND THAT NOW THEY'RE REINVESTING INTO

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THEIR OFFICE USERS AND LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM OF HOW TO INVEST IN THEIR OFFICE TOWER. AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PRIME SINCE LAST FALL ON OUR PROPOSAL AND WE'VE BEEN

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WORKING WITH THE BLOOMINGTON TEAM HERE WITH THE CITY SINCE LAST FALL AS WELL ABOUT OUR TEAM REAL QUICK IS CHASE REAL ESTATE IN STONEBRIDGE. WE ARE A BUILDER OWNER

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DEVELOPER ALL IN ONE HOUSE. WE ALSO MANAGER PROPERTIES. WE'RE A SMALL COMPANY. WE DO ABOUT ONE PROJECT A YEAR . WE OWN THEM LONG TERM SO WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN THE LONG

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TERM MATERIALS AND THE DESIGN THE CHARACTER OF THESE PROPERTIES. WE OWN ABOUT 3000 APARTMENTS AND MOSTLY IN THE SOUTH. MASTRO A LOT OF STUFF IN ST

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PAUL AND A FEW HUNDRED OF THOSE DO HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MIXED IN IN THOSE APARTMENT PROPERTIES. SO OUR TEAM DOES KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THAT PART OF THE THE

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PROPERTY WE ALSO LOOKED AT WE HAVE A NEW ARCHITECT DESIGN TEAM WITH THIS ONE IN THEIR COLLAGE ARCHITECTS THEY DO BEAUTIFUL DESIGN SO I'M

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THRILLED TO HAVE A NEW TEAM AND BE PART OF THIS PROPERTY IN SUCH A IMPORTANT INTERSECTION TO US AT THIS INTERSECTION OF XERXES AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD.

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SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR A TIMELESS INTENTIONAL LONG TERM MATERIAL DURABLE MATERIALS BUILDING AND IS A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND PROPERTY

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PROJECT FOR OUR OFFICE AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE OUR TEAM IS GOING TO BE CERTAINLY PROUD OF AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE CITY SEE IT TO BE PROUD OF AS WELL. IT IS ALL FULLY PRIVATELY

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FUNDED. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE WHICH IS QUITE COMMON WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE ARE MEETING ALL CITY

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GUIDANCE IN CITY CODE SO I'M HERE TO I TAKE QUESTIONS BETTER THAN I DO PRESENT SO I'D LOVE TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT I WISH ALL CITIES WORKED AS

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EFFICIENTLY AND AS EFFECTIVELY AS THE CITY. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH MICHAEL AND DYLAN AND BRIAN BACK THERE AND UNIQUE IN PROBABLY THE LARGEST CITY

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WE'VE WORKED IN MOST OF OUR STUFF IS SOUTH OF THE RIVER SO TO HAVE ALL THE STUFF YOU HAVE GUYS HAVE GOING ON VERY VERY QUICK SO WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AND NOT DO. SO VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE AND I

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CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MCLEAN ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER LISA THANK YOU, CHAIR. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE AREA FOR FIVE YEARS AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT

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INTERSECTION FOR YOU GUYS. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY ESSENTIALLY WHY IS IT IF YOU'RE YOUNG WHY IS IT IMPORTANT AND KIND OF WELL, IT'S IT'S ON A I MEAN IT'S ONE IS CLOSE TO A LOT OF JOBS

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WHICH IS A DRAW BEST BUY HEADQUARTERS A LOT YOU'RE ALSO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT A DINER HAS AND SOUTHDALE AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD IS A PROMINENT ROAD RIGHT THROUGH

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THE WHAT DO WE CALL THE INTERSECTION WHERE 394 AND ALL BENDS THAT I THINK IT'S THE ARTERY OF THE CITY REALLY. THERE'S SO MUCH ACTIVITY IN AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND I'VE

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BEEN TRYING TO BE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WE TRIED TO OR HIGHLAND PARK GOLF COURSE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND I THINK THE CONNECTIVITY

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RIGHT OFF THE INTERSTATE SO LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION THAT'S IMPORTANT HAPPENED TO BE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT. IT ALL THE THINGS KIND OF SQUARE TOGETHER. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

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APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU, CHAIR. YOU MENTIONED THIS IS FULLY PRIVATELY FUNDED SO CHASE IS

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NOT PLANNING ON REQUESTING A TIFF NOTE OR SOME SORT OF OTHER CITY FUNDED VEHICLE FOR THE FINANCING, CORRECT? NO. ALL PRIVATELY FINANCED, NO GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE.

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THANK YOU. AND ANY YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? I COULD CLARIFY SOME OF THOSE OTHER DISCUSSIONS. YOU HAD THE SURFACE PARKING

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MOST OF THAT THE HUNDRED AND 70 STALLS WILL REALLY BE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. IT'S REALLY OUR AGREEMENT WITH PRIME AND WELLS FARGO WAS REALLY FOR OVERFLOW PARKING. IT'S JUST WHEN YOU'RE AN OWNER

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OF AN OFFICE BUILDING YOU LIKE TO HAVE METRICS 3.8 STALLS PER 1000FT. THEY'RE ABOUT 50% PARKED AND SO THEY JUST WANT THE MATH EQUATIONS OF SOME YEAR AND TEN

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YEARS FROM NOW IF THEY EVER SELL THE PROPERTY THEY CAN SAY HEY, WE'VE GOT THESE ALL THESE THINGS TO DO. SO IT'S REALLY OVERFLOW. THE WALL HEIGHT BY THE RETAINING WALL IS ABOUT SIX FEET TALL AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT

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LANDSCAPING DESIGN AND WORK ON THOSE TREES. THE ARCHITECT PROBABLY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHAT THE THE EXACT TREES WERE IN THAT RENDERING

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AND THAT'S ALL HAVE GREAT. THANK YOU MR. MCLEAN IF YOU COULD MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IN FOR US THERE ON THE SHEET IS APPRECIATE IT OKAY THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING WHICH I WILL NOW OPEN AND ASK IF THERE'S

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ANYONE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM . GOOD EVENING. I DON'T WANT TO DISTURB YOUR

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STUFF. OKAY. EXCUSE ME. ALL RIGHT. HELLO, CHAIR AND PLANNING COMMISSION. MY NAME IS ROBERT COLEMAN. I THINK THAT THIS IS A SLAM DUNK PROJECT AFTER YEARS THAT

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WE'VE HEARD FROM APPLICANTS THAT YOU KNOW YOU NEED TURF TO GET ANYTHING DONE THAT YOU NEED TO FOR A BIG BOX STORE THAT WE'VE REALLY SEEN IN THE LAST FEW PROJECTS ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD THAT IT IS POSSIBLE

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TO DO IT WITHOUT TURF OR EVEN YOU KNOW IF DUMP NOTWITHSTANDING RIGHT THAT I

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THINK THAT THIS THE P D FLEXIBILITIES ARE QUITE MINOR IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE STREET IT LOOKS MUCH MORE LIKE AN URBAN CHARACTER THAT WE WOULD

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EXPECT FROM AMERICAN BOULEVARD THAN WHAT THE SETBACKS WOULD THAT IF IT WERE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE SETBACKS THAT ARE STRICTLY WRITTEN INTO THE CODE THAT IT WOULD LOOK

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SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AND NOT LIKE WHAT AMERICAN BOULEVARD DESERVES? SO I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. COLLIN

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. GOOD EVENING. HI. MY NAME'S KAREN THOMAS AND I ACTUALLY LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS ON THE CORNER OF XERXES ON AMERICAN AVENUE AND THE SUMMER

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SUMMERHILL CONDOMINIUMS. AND I. I THINK THIS AREA DOES NEED A LITTLE BIT OF REVITALIZATION. IT'S A FANTASTIC AREA. I MOVED THERE EIGHT YEARS AGO.

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I OWN MY CONDO AND IT IS IT CAN'T BE BEAT FOR LOCATION ACCESSIBILITY TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING I WORK AT THE MALL OF AMERICA STRAIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. I NEVER EVEN LEAVE BLOOMINGTON

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. EVERYTHING I NEED IS HERE. THE ONE THING THAT I DO HAVE A CONCERN ACTUALLY THERE'S TWO THINGS I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT. ONE IS THAT THE WHAT THE PARKING.

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TO BE HONEST THERE IS A COFFEE SHOP IN THE WELLS FARGO TOWER ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THERE'S ALSO A TRAILER IN THERE. SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY LOCAL BUSINESSES IN THERE AND WHEN

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YOU GO OVER THERE TO ACTUALLY USE THOSE BUSINESSES THE PARKING IT'S FULL LIKE YOU HAVE TO PARK IN THAT BIG PARKING LOT AND WALK ALL THE WAY OVER. SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT IF THERE'S ACTUALLY AS MUCH

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PARKING AS THEY SAY THAT THERE IS. THE OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAVE OR JUST QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE STUDY OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD IS JUST THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE

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COMING FROM XERXES AVENUE ONTO AMERICAN BOULEVARD OR OUT OF THE WELLS FARGO TOWER ON TO AMERICAN BOULEVARD, THERE CAN BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERE RIGHT AT THE PEAK HOURS AND IT CAN GET BACKED UP FROM THE

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STOPLIGHT AT YORK AVENUE ALL THE WAY PAST THAT ENTRANCE. AND I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ENTRANCES TO THAT PARKING LOT BUT IT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF THERE'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE PEOPLE WHIPPING IN AND OUT

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OF THERE AT THAT LITTLE SORT OF HALFWAY BETWEEN THE TWO STOPLIGHTS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC CONTROL RIGHT THERE. THAT WOULD JUST BE MY MY CONCERN. THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU, MR. ELLIS. MS. BROWN, IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY FOR THE SOLO PARTICIPANTS ONLINE COURSES ON ONE STAFF MEMBER AND TWO APPLICANTS FOR

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ITEM THREE AND ONE PARTICIPANT OF THE NAME OF PAGE GUIDE? WE WILL MAKE PAIGE AVAILABLE TO TESTIFY.

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YOU MAY NOW UNMUTE YOURSELF IF YOU WISH TO TESTIFY ON THE SIDE NOT SEEING THAT OCCURRING .

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OOPS SORRY PAIGE DO YOU HAVE US? OH THEY MUTED THEMSELVES. I BELIEVE THEY'VE MUTED THEMSELVES SO PERHAPS JUST A SUPERFAN ONLINE OF THE

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PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. SEEING NO ONE ELSE READY TO TESTIF I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED FOR A SECOND. SECOND I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC

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HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED A MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION. MR. POSNER, IF I COULD FOLLOW

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UP ON ONE THING DO THIS APPLICATION TRIGGER A TRAFFIC STUDY. CHAIR COOK DIDN'T KNOW IT DID NOT. SO WHEN THAT IS THE CASE, HOW

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DO WE LIKE HOW DO WE REASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT A NEW DEVELOPMENT ISN'T GOING TO CAUSE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS? ARE THERE THRESHOLDS OR PROJECT NEEDS TO MEET THAT DO TRIGGER A TRAFFIC STUDY AND THIS FALLS BELOW THAT OR HOW

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IS THAT DECISION MADE? A CHAIR COOK IN I THINK I WILL DEFER THAT TO BRIAN HANSON IF HE'S ABLE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS IT VERY WELL .

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THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YES. SO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL REVIEW REVIEWS ALL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THIS ONE BASED ON THE ADJACENT ROADWAY NETWORK THE TRIPS ESTIMATED

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TRIPS WILL BE GENERATED FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE APPROXIMATELY 1200 TRIPS PER DAY ADDITIONAL TRIPS. ONE THING I WILL NOTE TOO IS THE APPLICATION DOES SHOW THE REMOVAL OF A EXIT ONLY ON TWO SEARCHES AVENUE RIGHT NOW

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WHICH CURRENTLY EXISTS. SO THAT WOULD GO AWAY. SO THE ACCESS POINTS WOULD BE TO SOUTHTOWN ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE WAS 79TH STREET I BELIEVE WAS 78TH, 78TH OR 79TH NORTH AND THEN AMERICAN TO THE

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SOUTH. SO WE DO HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY WITHIN THE ROADWAY SYSTEM THERE THERE ARE PROTECTED LEFT TURN LANES FOR ENTERING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OFF OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD AS WELL.

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SO BASED ON THE ANALYSIS OF OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, HE DID NOT DETERMINE THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE NEEDED AT THIS TIME FOR THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CHISHOLM COMMISSIONER AND I THANK YOU

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CHAIR AND THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY BE A QUESTION AGAIN FOR MR. HANSON IN A CASE LIKE THIS IS THE CITY OF MEDINA NOTIFIED ALSO BECAUSE RECOGNIZING THAT THIS GETS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO

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THE INTERSECTIONS THAT THEY HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 494 AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD COME DOWN, THE INCREASED TRAFFIC LIKELY TO COME DOWN XERXES AVENUE. THANKS CHAIR CORRECT.

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AND COMMISSIONER LINDSAY, THE CITY OF EDINA WAS NOT NOTIFIED HOWEVER HENNEPIN COUNTY WAS NOTIFIED. SO XERXES AVENUE IS THE HENNEPIN COUNTY ROAD AND THEIR ONLY COMMENTS WERE SPEAKING TO THE REMOVAL OF THE WELL THE

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ENTRANCE IN IT'S AN EXIT OFF OF XERXES AVENUE THAT'S BEING REMOVED NOW AND THEN JUST CONCERNS ABOUT STORMWATER WHICH WERE ADDRESSED IN THE PLAN. MR. JOHNSON THAT'S SOMETHING

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WE TALKED ABOUT YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT'S CLOSE TO ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES WHETHER THEY'RE NOTIFIED. CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW THAT WORKS? CHAIR IN THAT TYPICALLY IS A REQUIREMENT FOR COMPREHENSIVE

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PLAN AMENDMENTS SO AFFECTED ADJACENT JURISDICTION REVIEW IS A REQUIRED COMPONENT UNDER COUNCIL AND STATE LAW FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS. THERE'S NO COMPLAINT AMENDMENT

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ASSOCIATED WITH THIS APPLICATION. OKAY , LISA, THANK YOU. CHAIR. I THINK IT WAS ROBERT THAT

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SAID THAT KIND OF BRINGING THE THERE'S THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT BEING REMOVED AS IS A GOOD THING AND THIS IT LOOKS GOOD TO ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD I DEFINITELY AGREE

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WITH THAT I WILL I OWN A HOME PRETTY CLOSE TO HERE AND SO YEAH IT'S IT'S IT'S GOOD TO SEE A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS COME TO THIS AREA AND I THINK

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IT WAS REALLY COOL TO ALSO SEE THE AFFORDABLE COMPONENT WITHOUT ANY INCENTIVE TO DO IT SO I THINK I RESPECT THAT A

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LOT SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WAIT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. YEAH I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE OF THE SPACE. I'M SAD TO SEE THE MOST CONVENIENT CASH MACHINE NEAR ME WITH A DRIVE UP GO AWAY BUT

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I THINK IT'S A SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR FOR THIS KIND OF HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN EMPTY PARKING LOT AS I'M IN AND OUT OF THERE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN

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I CARE TO ADMIT. SO I THINK THIS IS THIS LOOKS LIKE A STRONG PROJECT. I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT PUT INTO IT AND I THINK IT'S IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR THAT AREA

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IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. WAIT. I TOO AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS. IT'S GREAT TO SEE AN UNUSED OR UNDEVELOPED LOT TURN INTO HIGHER DENSITY.

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I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC. IT'S A GREAT LOCATION. I MEAN REALLY, REALLY GOOD HIGHWAY ADJACENT LOCATION AND I DO LIKE THAT A LOT IN REGARDS TO THE PARKING I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE SHARED

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PARKING AGREEMENT. I THINK THAT'S GREAT FROM A SUSTAINABILITY PERSPECTIVE AS WE TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING WE'RE BUILDING ALL THE TIME AROUND HERE AND I ALSO THINK I EXPECT ENOUGH

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TEAMWORK FROM FROM THE OFFICE TOWER THEY'RE JUST AS INTERESTED IN PROVIDING CONVENIENT PARKING TO EITHER THE BUSINESSES OR THINGS AS AS ANYONE THEY WANT TO PROTECT

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THAT AND SO I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT IT AND I REALLY LIKE THE CREATIVITY OF SHARING THE PARKING AS OPPOSED TO JUST BUILDING MORE PARKING THAT'S GOING TO SIT EMPTY. SO I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS

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APPLICATION. COMMISSIONER SUMMERS I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION.

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THIS LITTLE AREA DOES IN MANY WAYS FEEL RIGHT NOW LIKE A TOWER ON A GI PARKING LOT THAT MOVING SOME OF THE PARKING

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UNDERGROUND UNDERNEATH THIS BUILDING MAKES SENSE. AND ALSO IF WE ARE LOOKING TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOODS CREATING

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THE SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES IT WALKABLE BECAUSE THEY WILL BE THERE. I ASKED A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT AMERICAN BOULEVARD CHAIN

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JAZZ AND WHILE I JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO CAUTION AGAINST TRYING TO CREATE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH BIG WALLS NEXT TO THE SIDEWALK, I FEEL

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REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THE EASEMENTS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND JUST BRINGING UP THAT

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IF WE'RE URBANIZING IT IS NICER TO SEE AMENITIES THAT CAN BE SHARED ON THE STREET BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE NECESSARILY FOR AMERICAN

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BOULEVARD. SO BEING REALLY CAREFUL AS THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT ARE NAVIGATING WHAT THAT WALL LOOKS LIKE AND HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE SIDEWALK ESPECIALLY IF

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THE SIDEWALK IS GOING TO CHANGE SHAPE AT SOME POINT IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS SO THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS BEING MINDFUL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT THEY'RE

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LIVING IN A PLACE WHERE THEY REALLY WANT TO WALK WITH THEIR FAMILY OR BIKE TO WORK. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS

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APPLICATION OR NOT? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. COMMISSIONER WAIT I MOVE TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION

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OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 AN ORDINANCE REZONING 7900 XERXES AVENUE SOUTH AND 3400 AMERICAN BOULEVARD WEST FROM CESAR CO-1

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PD COMMERCIAL OFFICE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO SEE DASH FOR PD FREEWAY OFFICE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND AS A MATTER

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OF CLARIFICATION THAT'S 2026-61 THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND THE SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE FOR REZONING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO MR. WHITE I MOVED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A TWO PHASE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT

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PLAN FOR TWO PHASES OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH A 360 TOTAL UNITS AT 7900 XERXES AVENUE SOUTH AND 3400 AMERICAN BOULEVARD WEST AND

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FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A SIX STORY 270 UNIT MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING LOCATED AT 7900 XERXES AVENUE SOUTH SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO

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THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE MOTION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES

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SEVEN ZERO THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 1ST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH , MR.

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CUNNINGHAM. I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM ITEM THREE DUE TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH

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. OKAY WE WILL THEN MOVED ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS SOUTH TOWN SIGN VARIANCES AND MISS LIZ O'DAY HAS A STAFF REPORT FOR US.

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YES THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOR A PAIR OF VARIANCES FOR A PROPOSED FREESTANDING SIGN LOCATED AT

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SOUTH TOWN. SO I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHERE SOUTH TOWN IS BUT IF NOT SOUTH TOWN DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED ON PENN AVENUE

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BETWEEN AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND 494. IT'S ZONED C THREE AND IT'S IN OUR CLASS THREE SIGN DISTRICT.

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SO HERE'S AN IMAGE OF THE EXISTING FREESTANDING SIGN IMAGE TAKEN THIS MORNING. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE IMAGE THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGES THAT

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HAVE OCCURRED ON SITE RECENTLY WITH THE 494 PROJECT THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT AND LOVE AND THEN THE DEMOLITION OF FORMER

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TOYS R US AND CONSTRUCTION OUR SOON TO BE CONSTRUCTION OF DICK'S HOUSE OF SPORT IS ALSO PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED

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JUST BEHIND THE SIGN THERE. SO WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION THE EXISTING SIGN NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AND MOVED IN ORDER TO NOT CONFLICT WITH

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THAT CONSTRUCTION OF THE DICK'S HOUSE OF SPORTS. >> SO WITH THAT THERE ARE CROSS ANDERSON IS REQUESTING A

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SETBACK VARIANCE THE CODE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 20FT FROM A PROPERTY LINE ALONG A STREET WHICH IS FOR 94 WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS TEN FEET

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AND THE REASONS FOR THIS IS NOT BEING ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR REASONS LIKE MOVING IT FURTHER

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EAST WOULD CONFLICT WITH FUTURE PHASES OF SOUTHTOWN AND THEN MOVING IT FURTHER WEST WOULD BE BLOCKED BY THE EXISTING COLES BUILDING AND SO

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01:25:29.089 --> 01:25:40.568
THEY HAVE LANDED ON THE PROPOSED LOCATION HERE IN RED. SO MOVING FROM THIS KIND OF AREA AND BLUE WHICH IS

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WHERE KIND OF SOME OF THE TRUCK LOADING WOULD BE FOR THE DICK'S HOUSE OF SPORT OVER TO KIND OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE DICK'S HOUSES SPORT AT

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A TEN FOOT SETBACK AND SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS SCREEN IS AN EXISTING IMAGE SHOWING THE WALLS AS PART OF THE 494

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PROJECT IN THE RED CIRCLE OR SQUARE SCUSE ME YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF WHERE THE EXISTING SIGN IS LOCATED AND THEN ON

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THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PROPOSED SIGN LOCATION WOULD BE. OBVIOUSLY THE THE EXISTING SIGN LOCATION IS NOT VISIBLE

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BEHIND THE WALL SO MOVING IT CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE AT A TEN FOOT SETBACK IS REASONABLE AND THEN THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A ASSIGN AREA

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VARIANCE. WHAT'S REQUIRED IS 200FT THAT WAS RECENTLY CHANGED AS PART OF A KIND OF BIG OVERHAUL OF OUR SIGN CODE.

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SO THAT WAS CHANGED TO 200FT AND WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING FOR THE EXISTING SIGN IS 247FT AND WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS 245FT.

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SO NOT A BIG CHANGE FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTS FOR THE SIGN AREA. SO WITH VARIANCES WE HAVE TO

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MEET CERTAIN STATE STATUTE FINDINGS. THE PROPOSED LOCATION MAXIMIZES FUTURE SITE REDEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE PHASES AS WELL AS PROVIDES

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FREEWAY VISIBILITY FOR A LARGE KIND OF REGIONAL COMMERCIAL CENTER. AND THEN ALSO THE 494 CONSTRUCTION HAS MADE KIND OF A BIG IMPACT ON THEIR SIGN

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VISIBILITY. AND THEN LASTLY THE PROPOSED SIGN IS SIMILAR IN SCALE AND SIZE TO THE EXISTING SIGN. SO WITH THAT PRETTY SHORT

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PRESENTATION VARIANCES NOW OUR FINAL DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BILL GRIFFITH IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL AS SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM CROSS ANDERSON ARE ON LINE AS

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WELL. >> THANK YOU MISS O'DAY. WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS NEW SIGN WITH IT ALSO BE LEGALLY NONCONFORMING OR IS

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THAT THEN IN A PERMITTED SIGN A CHAIR IT WOULD BE A PERMITTED SIGN BUT YEAH RIGHT. >> SORRY I'LL LET SOMEONE ELSE ANSWER.

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ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED SIGN RIGHT. CORRECT. WELL A VARIANCE NEGATES THE NEED FOR LIKE ANY NONCONFORMITY ANALYSIS. IT'S A SPECIFIC PERMISSION TO DEVIATE FROM CITY CODE SO IT GETS RECORDED ON THE PROPERTY

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AND AND RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY SO IT'S OKAY. I UNDERSTAND OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER LEE

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WOULD THE SIGN BE FOR WOULD IT ALSO BE THE SIGN FOR DICK'S OR DOES DICK'S WOULD THEY HAVE ANOTHER SIGN COMING IN WITH THEIR COMPLETION CHAIR

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COMMISSIONER THEY WOULD LIKELY INCORPORATE THEIR MESSAGE ON THE PROPOSED SIGN. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE LIKE AN ADDITIONAL FREESTANDING SIGN. OKAY. THANK YOU.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NONE OF THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD? GOOD EVENING, MR. GRIFFITH. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. COMMISSIONERS BILL GRIFFITH

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REPRESENTING CROSS ANDERSON ONLINE ARE PAIGE ALLISON AND OTTER WILLIAMS, THE GENERAL COUNSEL AND I BELIEVE MR. RICK FERRARO IS ALSO ONLINE FROM SPECTRUM. SO IF THERE ARE TECHNICAL

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QUESTIONS THAT I CAN'T ANSWER, WE HAVE A WHOLE CREW OF FOLKS WHO CAN HOPEFULLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR PRESENTING THE STAFF REPORT. WE ACTUALLY WORKED WITH STAFF

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IN A COUPLE OF MEETINGS KIND OF FINE TUNING THE LOCATION. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE DRAINAGE AND UTILITY EASEMENTS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WEREN'T OTHER LOCATIONS THAT

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WOULD WORK BETTER AND ULTIMATELY REACH AGREEMENT AND CONSENSUS THAT THIS WAS THE BEST LOCATION TO RELOCATE AND REPLACE THE SIGN. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES WHERE I'M VERY COMFORTABLE

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SAYING THERE ARE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AS I DON'T HAVE TO TO WORK HARD TO GET THERE AT LEAST FROM MY MY VANTAGE POINT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND I AND I DRIVE THROUGH THAT ALL THE TIME.

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SO ONE OF MY FAVORITE PROJECTS IT'S BEEN COMING FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE 20 FOOT WALLS IT REALLY DOES NECESSITATE A KIND OF FINE

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TUNING OF THAT LOCATION AND I RECALL WHEN SIMILAR RAMPS WERE BUILT AROUND MALL OF AMERICA, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL HAD A VERY INTERESTING PRESENTATION KIND

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OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER OF HOW YOU COULD SEE THAT HOTEL AND SEE THAT SIGNAGE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN ALL THE RAMPS AND CONSTRUCTIONS VERY

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01:30:46.573 --> 01:30:57.984
SIMILAR TO THAT CASE WHICH WAS APPROVED SO MANY YEARS AGO. THIS CASE YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE FREEWAY CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THE VISIBILITY CONSTRAINTS THAT GO WITH THAT ,YOU REALLY DO HAVE A

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DIFFICULT CASE AND A UNIQUE CASE ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY HISTORY HAS HAS PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY APPARENT AND AGAIN PLANNER O'DAY POINTED THIS OUT IS THAT IF WE HAD

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IN A TYPICAL SETTING IF WE HAD A COMPLIANT SIGN, THAT SIGN MIGHT BE 30 OR 40FT AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY AND VERY VISIBLE IN THIS CASE EVEN IN THIS LOCATION IT'S STILL 90FT FROM

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THE ROADWAY AND PART OF THE PURPOSE OF SIGNAGE IS TO PROVIDE WAYFINDING. PEOPLE WANT TO FIND SMALL TOWN PEOPLE WANT TO GET TO SMALL TOWN AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE

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TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND AS AS WAS ANSWERED THOSE TENANT PANELS SO YOU SEE SMALL TOWN AT THE TOP OF THAT SIGN THOSE TENANT PANELS ARE

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IN FACT FOR ALL OF THE TENANTS THE MAJOR TENANTS I SHOULDN'T SAY THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FOR ALL OF THE TENANTS IN SMALL TOWN BUT THE MAJOR TENANTS LIKE DICK'S HOUSE OF SPORTS WOULD BE ON ON THAT PYLON SIGN.

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THERE'S NO IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS ,RIGHT, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ARE THE FREEWAY THE NEIGHBOR THE NEIGHBOR IS THE FREEWAY AND THOSE USING THE FREEWAY AND SO THEY'RE REALLY THERE. THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY KIND

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OF DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO NEIGHBORS AND FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC IT'S VERY MUCH LIKE THE EXISTING SIGN. SO FOR SOMEBODY DRIVING BY WILL HARDLY NOTICE THE

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DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN IT MAY WELL WE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE. THAT IS IN FACT THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE. SO THAT'S REALLY IT. I THINK CHRIS ANDERSON'S VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PHASE

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OF THE REDEVELOPMENT. IT'S IT'S NOT THE WHOLE THING BUT IT'S THE NEXT THING AND IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE IT COME TOGETHER. MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF INSIDE BASEBALL IS I DON'T THINK

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ANYBODY NOT EVEN MYSELF APPRECIATES WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON A CENTER LIKE THIS THAT HAS EXISTING CROSS EASEMENTS AND RIGHTS OF ANCHORS, HOW HOW MUCH WORK

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GOES INTO SATISFYING EVERYBODY THAT WE DON'T SEE HERE TONIGHT ? AND SO THEY'VE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD FIRST WITH THEIR ANCHORS, THEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY STAFF TO GET TO KIND OF GET IT RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS THE NEXT THING

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THAT'S NEEDED TO START THAT PROJECT. I BELIEVE THE PROJECT WILL GET UNDERWAY SHORTLY AND WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. SO THANKS AGAIN TO STAFF FOR THEIR VERY THOROUGH ANALYSIS

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ALSO FOR WORKING WITH US TO FIND THE RIGHT LOCATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND APPROVAL TONIGHT HOPEFULLY THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. GRIFFITH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE

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APPLICANT COMMISSIONER, SIR? THANK YOU, CHAIR. SO YOU SAID SO I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A I GUESS SPECIFIC QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE SIGN.

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YEAH, YOU SAID IT'S MORE NOT MORE OF IT'S A WAYFINDING SIGNAGE, RIGHT DIRECTIONS IF YOU'RE DRIVING BY WOULD YOU SAY IT'S MORE OF THAT OR MORE

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OF AN ADVERTISEMENT OR HOW WOULD YOU WEIGH THAT TOO? LIKE IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE THE TWO? JUST CURIOUS MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONER, I THINK STAFF WOULD PROBABLY BEG TO DIFFER THAT YOU KNOW, WAYFINDING SIGNS ARE OFTEN AT KEY

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INTERSECTIONS AND DIRECT PEOPLE TO MAKE A LEFT OR MAKE A RIGHT. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL SIGN. IT'S TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO THE BUSINESS. BUT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE EFFECTS OF THIS TYPE

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OF SIGNAGE IS TO PROVIDE WAYFINDING AND AND SO IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY WAYFINDING BUT THAT IS CERTAINLY A PUBLIC PURPOSE BEHIND THIS SIGNAGE. IT'S ALSO A COMMERCIAL SIGN.

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IT'S TO HELP GENERATE BUSINESS TO GET PEOPLE TO SELL DOWN. SELL TOWN IS UNDER YOU KNOW, UNDER REDEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THAT SMALL TOWN IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND I, I JUST

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DROVE THROUGH THERE TONIGHT AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF FOLKS AT SMALL TOWN BUT YOU WANT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE BUSINESS IS GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES AND BEHIND THE REDEVELOPMENT SO IT'S REALLY BOTH TO ANSWER

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YOUR QUESTION, DEFINITELY A FOLLOW UP QUESTION PLEASE. I'M DEFINITELY A SUPPORTER OF THE THIS OVERRIDE. MY SECOND QUESTION IS AS FAR AS TIMING OF WHEN THE SIGN WOULD BE PLACED, WOULD IT BE

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01:34:57.591 --> 01:35:09.236
RIGHT WHEN IT'S COMPLETED? I WOULD ASSUME BUT YEAH, RIGHT NOW ACTUAL FACILITIES COMPLETED SO THOSE ONLINE CAN CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATE THIS BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT

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01:35:09.236 --> 01:35:19.980
HAS TO MOVE BECAUSE IT'S IN THE WAY OF THE PROJECT SO IT'S THE NEXT THING TO HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHY THIS REQUEST IS FAIRLY URGENT BECAUSE THE SIGN NEEDS TO MOVE TO SO THEY CAN

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ALLOW THE START OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ANCHOR FOR THE NEW SIGN. CORRECT. THE OLD SIGN IS I BELIEVE THE OLD SIGN NEEDS TO COME DOWN

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01:35:31.125 --> 01:35:42.770
FIRST. THE NEW SIGN GOES UP AND THEN DECKS HOUSE. THE SPORTS WILL GET UNDERWAY. OKAY? YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

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SEEING NONE. THANK YOU. MR. GRIFFITH, IF YOU COULD SEND IN FOR US PLEASE. WE'LL DO. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO

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TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM. SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD. MS. BROWN, IS THERE ANYONE IN LINE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY ? PARTICIPANTS ONLINE CONSIST OF ONE STAFF MEMBER AND TWO

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OF THE APPLICANTS. GREAT FINAL CALL FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY IN THE CHAMBERS ON THIS ITEM SEEING NO ONE STEPPING FORWARD I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE

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PUBLIC HEARING. MR. WHITE IS THERE A SECOND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED A MOTION PASSES SIX

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ZERO WE'LL MOVE INTO DISCUSSION. I THINK I WILL GET US STARTED HERE. I GAVE THIS MORE THOUGHT THAN

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YOU MIGHT EXPECT TO ME. THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THIS APPLICATION. THERE'S A REQUESTED VARIANCE FOR THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON THE SIGN AND THEN THERE'S THE VARIANCE REQUEST

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FOR THE LOCATION OF THE SITE. SO I'LL TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE. YOU KNOW TO ME THE THE POINT HERE IS THAT THE HIGHWAYS COME THROUGH AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE SIGN ANYMORE NOT DISAGREEING

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WITH THAT AND I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF MAKING THE APPLICANT WHOLE YOU KNOW. SO IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, I THINK IT'S A VERY REASONABLE ARGUMENT TO SAY HEY, WE'VE GOT

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THIS SIGN TODAY THIS SIZE SIGN TODAY. WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO REPLACE THAT WITH THE SAME SIZE SIGN WE ALREADY HAVE. IT'S NOT OUR FAULT THAT MDOT CAME THROUGH AND PUT A HIGHWAY HERE. VERY REASONABLE. I THINK MAKING THEM WHOLE ON

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THAT IS OKAY WHERE I START TO STRUGGLE IS ON THE SETBACK SO THEY ARE NOT THEY ARE NOT THERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SETBACK TODAY. THEY'RE WELL AWAY FROM THE

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STREET AND NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR OR NOT TO BE 20FT FROM THE ROAD BUT TEN FEET FROM THE ROAD. SO THEIR REQUEST IS NOT TO BE MADE WHOLE BUT THE REQUEST HAS

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TO BE MADE MORE THAN WHOLE. AND SO THEN YOU START TO LOOK AT WELL WHY IS THAT AND ARE THERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES? AND AS IT'S BEEN NOTED A FEW TIMES BOTH IN THE STAFF REPORT

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AND IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION THAT THIS IS THE BEST SPOT FOR THE SIGN BECAUSE OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IT WELL THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IS

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OF THEIR OWN CHOICE BOTH AT DICK'S HOUSE, THE SPORTS AND WHATEVER IS GOING TO GO EAST OF HERE AND SO ARE WE GOING TO GRANT A VARIANCE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING ELSE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO?

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THAT'S NOT GROUNDS FOR SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GRANTED A VARIANCE FOR BEFORE. IF THIS WAS A NEW LIKE IF THIS WAS AN OPEN SITE AND THEY WERE PUTTING A NEW BUILDING THERE I

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DON'T THINK WE WOULD I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN PERHAPS BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GRANT THAT VARIANCE IF THIS WAS A BRAND NEW SET OF CONSTRUCTION. AND SO I'M NOT SURE THE RULES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING BECAUSE WHERE ELSE

513
01:38:40.613 --> 01:38:52.058
THE SIGN COULD GO THEY'RE SAYING THEY WANT TO PUT OTHER THINGS THERE AND SO I'M NOT SURE I CAN SUPPORT THE THE 20FT TO 10FT BECAUSE I THINK

514
01:38:52.058 --> 01:39:03.770
THAT'S MAKING THEM MORE THAN WHOLE AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT A SIGN AT AT 20FT AND IT'S NOT ME NOT ADDING THE HIGHWAY

515
01:39:03.770 --> 01:39:14.748
THERE IT DOES NOT FORCE THEM TO HAVE THE SIGN CLOSER TO THE STREET. THE HIGHWAY IS NOT GOING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. YOU KNOW THAT THAT TO ME IS WHEN YOU GRANT A VARIANCE IS THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE DID TO YOU AND

516
01:39:14.748 --> 01:39:26.893
YOU NEED TO BE MADE WHOLE THEN WE'LL GRANT YOU A VARIANCE. BUT THIS IS NOT MAKING THEM WHOLE. THIS IS MAKING THEM MORE THAN WHOLE AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE SETTING A PRECEDENT OF GOING EVEN CLOSER TO THE STREET AND

517
01:39:26.893 --> 01:39:37.838
I THINK FOR ME IT DOES HAVE TO DO A BIT WITH CHARACTER THAT SIGNS GOING TO BE UP YOU KNOW RECOGNIZING IT'S STILL REASONABLY FAR AWAY FROM THE ROAD BUT IT'S MUCH CLOSER THAN IT IS TODAY AND THAT'S GOING

518
01:39:37.838 --> 01:39:48.949
TO BE A VERY VISIBLE SIGN OFF OF THE HIGHWAY AND THAT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING WE ALLOW ANYMORE. WE DON'T ALLOW BILLBOARDS IN THE CITY ANYMORE. WE HAVE SIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR A REASON WHEN BLOOMINGTON,

519
01:39:48.949 --> 01:40:00.593
SUBARU CAME THROUGH HERE AND PUT A NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THE HIGHWAY, WE GAVE THEM A LOT OF OPINION ABOUT HOW THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAT SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING AND WE WERE PRETTY FIRM WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT THAT MURAL CAN LOOK

520
01:40:00.593 --> 01:40:11.871
LIKE, HOW BIG YOUR SIGN CAN BE ,ALL OF THAT STUFF AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY FIRM ON OUR NEW SIGNAGE STUFF AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE EFFORT RECENTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ABOUT SIGNAGE

521
01:40:11.871 --> 01:40:23.650
IS TO GET THIS STUFF RIGHT AND HAVE A CLEAR SET OF RULES FOR WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND SO AGAIN, MINDY ARE COMING THROUGH HERE AND REDUCING THEIR VISIBILITY TOTALLY BY IT

522
01:40:23.650 --> 01:40:34.294
AND MAKING THEM WHOLE BY GIVING THEM THE SAME SIZE SIGN I'M HERE FOR IT BUT TO ME THIS IS MAKING THEM MORE THAN WHOLE AND I CAN'T SUPPORT GOING CLOSER THAN THE 20FT

523
01:40:34.294 --> 01:40:48.875
CODE REQUIREMENT COMMISSION. I'M GOING TO GENTLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. I THINK GIVEN THE VERY UNIQUE ASPECT OF THE SOUTH TOWN SPACE

524
01:40:48.875 --> 01:41:00.954
AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THE APPLICANT REFERENCED RELATED TO HOW THINGS ARE CURRENTLY LAID OUT AND THE FACT THAT 494 IS COMING AND I THINK I FEEL PRETTY I FEEL

525
01:41:00.954 --> 01:41:11.131
DIFFERENTLY IF IT WAS ALMOST ANYWHERE OTHER THAN 494 BUT I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO LITTLE CHARACTER AND CONTROL OVER THE CHARACTER OF 494 THAT IN A CASE LIKE THIS I WOULD BE

526
01:41:11.131 --> 01:41:22.041
WILLING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING THERE IS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD A CHANCE 20 YEARS FROM NOW THAT THERE'LL BE SOME OTHER CHANGE

527
01:41:22.041 --> 01:41:32.853
TO THIS EXACT CONFIGURATION OF ROADWAY AND WHATNOT. SO I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS LIKE PERMANENT PERMANENT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE REDEVELOPMENT AND CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED ON THAT SITE EVEN IN THE LAST 25 YEARS.

528
01:41:32.853 --> 01:41:45.365
SO I PERSONALLY AM COMFORTABLE APPROVING THE APPLICATION AS CURRENTLY PRESENTED. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. MR.. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

529
01:41:45.365 --> 01:41:55.108
MR. DE CAN YOU COME BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THREE RECTANGLES ON THE INTERSTATE? WELL THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO THIS PICTURE THE RIGHT

530
01:41:55.108 --> 01:42:05.919
PICTURE IS WHY I SOMEWHAT DISAGREE WITH YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK CERTAINLY ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGN. ABSOLUTELY THAT THAT'S JUST SORT OF LIKE FOR LIKE AND SCOOTING IT OVER FINE.

531
01:42:05.919 --> 01:42:18.865
I GUESS WHERE MY MIND IS IS IF THE SIGN GETS PUT ON THE SITE WHERE IT SHOULD BE OR FURTHER INTO THE SITE THEN WE'RE BACK WHERE THAT WALL IS ESSENTIALLY

532
01:42:18.865 --> 01:42:29.509
BLOCKING THE VISIBILITY OF IT OR IT HAS TO GO HIGHER TO GET ABOVE THAT SITE LINE. YOU KNOW, I THAT IS WHAT LEADS ME TO TO BE OKAY WITH THAT TEN

533
01:42:29.509 --> 01:42:37.718
FOOT SETBACK BECAUSE THE CLOSER IT GETS TO THE STREET, THE SHORTER THE SIGN CAN BE OVERALL AND STILL BE VISIBLE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

534
01:42:37.718 --> 01:42:52.299
MR. COMMISSIONER, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF ALSO CAN I ASK LISA? OKAY IT'S MORE OF A TECHNICAL QUESTION.

535
01:42:52.299 --> 01:43:03.042
SO IF HYPOTHETICALLY IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO MAKE A CHANGE OF SIGN TEMPORARILY, IS THAT ALLOWED OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO STICK WITH EXACTLY WHAT IS ON THEIR APPROVED TO

536
01:43:03.042 --> 01:43:15.756
BE ON THEIR CHAIR COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE LIKE FACE CHANGES ALL THE TIME LIKE THROUGH A SIGN PERMIT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO JUST CHANGE LIKE THE IF DICK'S HOUSE

537
01:43:15.756 --> 01:43:28.201
OF SPORT LEAVES AND ANOTHER TENANT COMES IN THEY CAN APPLY FOR A SIGN PERMIT TO CHANGE THE THE ID ON THE SIGN THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

538
01:43:28.201 --> 01:43:39.513
>> IS THAT WHAT YOUR QUESTION OKAY THANK YOU. I WANT FOLLOW UP WITH PLEASE I KIND OF THOUGHT SO FAR I UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHERE BOTH YOU CHAIR COMING FROM AND I

539
01:43:39.513 --> 01:43:47.987
AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE WE SHOULD WE SHOULD KEEP CONSISTENCY FROM PAST APPLICATIONS AND AND AND AND THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT YOU SAID

540
01:43:47.987 --> 01:44:01.635
COMMISSIONER MUNSTER ABOUT IF IT WERE TO BE PUSHED BACK THAT IT COULD THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD LESSEN THE VISIBILITY. AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO

541
01:44:01.635 --> 01:44:13.313
WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK AND I'LL MAKE MY FINAL DECISION THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RESA IF I COULD FOR A SECOND CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS IF YOU MIND PLEASE. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES.

542
01:44:13.313 --> 01:44:24.324
SO THAT'S A IT'S A TERM OF ART USED IN STATUTE IS WHAT YOU APPLY TO LOOK AT WHEN YOU CURRENT TO DESIGN VARIANCE OR LAND USE VARIANCE. OKAY SO THERE'S THREE ASPECTS TO THAT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS PROPOSING TO

543
01:44:24.324 --> 01:44:35.602
USE THE PROPERTY IN A REASONABLE MANNER NOT PERMITTED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE SIGN CODE APPLIED TO LAND OWNERS DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY NOT CREATED BY THE LANDOWNER AND THE VARIANCE

544
01:44:35.602 --> 01:44:46.313
IF GRANTED WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE LOCALITY. SO YOU KNOW THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE PRACTICAL DIFFERENT DIFFICULTIES THE TOUCHSTONE IS REASONABLENESS. SO GIVEN ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES

545
01:44:46.313 --> 01:44:55.888
WHAT THE SITE IS, WHAT THE SITE DOES, WHAT IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY ALL THOSE THINGS COME INTO PLAY THE TYPE OF LAND USE IT IS YOU KIND OF PUT YOURSELF IN THE SHOES

546
01:44:55.888 --> 01:45:06.533
OF THAT SITE AND LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. SO JUST TO ADD SOME COLOR TO WHAT THE WHAT THE LAW SAYS ON VARIANCES SO THANK YOU MR.

547
01:45:06.533 --> 01:45:18.177
DUSKY COMMISSIONER WHEAT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT LOOKING AT THIS DIAGRAM IF WE DIDN'T GRANT A VARIANCE ESSENTIALLY THEY COULD MOVE THE SIGN OVER

548
01:45:18.177 --> 01:45:30.123
TO THE EAST BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BACK AT THE LEVEL OF BASICALLY THESE TWO TRUCK LOADING THE CENTER TRUCK LOADING WHERE THAT GREEN LINE BEGINS.

549
01:45:30.123 --> 01:45:41.468
SO IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE OVER WHERE IT CURRENTLY SAYS UTILITY EASEMENT ON THE LITTLE CHART ROUGHLY. IS THAT CORRECT? CHAIR I WISH I HAD A LIKE A

550
01:45:41.468 --> 01:45:53.246
ZOOMED IN PICTURE THIS THIS SEEMS A LITTLE FARTHER AWAY. SO THIS ORANGE LINE IS THE MY GOSH, I CAN'T EVEN IS THE TEN

551
01:45:53.246 --> 01:46:02.989
FOOT ARC DOES WORK BY ZOOMING OKAY SEE HOW THE ORANGE LINE IS THE TEN FOOT SETBACK LINE THE 20 FOOT SETBACK ISN'T MARKED ON THIS PLAN BUT I

552
01:46:02.989 --> 01:46:14.334
IMAGINE IT'S SOMEWHERE HERE AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE. IT'S FROM THE LEADING EDGE OF THE SIGN IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF THEY WERE TO THEY WOULD

553
01:46:14.334 --> 01:46:25.111
HAVE TO SHIFT AROUND THIS CURB LINE AND RE REDESIGN KIND OF THEIR CHALK LOADING IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK.

554
01:46:25.111 --> 01:46:35.021
>> OKAY, MR. WHITE THE WAY I SEE IT IS THAT A 12 FOOT TALL OR WIDE SIGN, RIGHT? SO THE NORTH FACE WOULD BE SORT OF WHERE THE BOTTOM OF THAT RED SQUARE IS.

555
01:46:35.021 --> 01:46:49.702
YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. SUMMERS THANK YOU, CHAIR.

556
01:46:49.702 --> 01:47:00.847
I THINK THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT AND THE FINDINGS OF THE STAFF, I AGREE WITH THEIR ASSESSMENT OF REASONABLENESS.

557
01:47:00.847 --> 01:47:12.626
I AM AWARE THAT THERE ARE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO ALL OF THE CODES FOR EVERYTHING AND SOUTHTOWN IS AN AREA WHERE

558
01:47:12.626 --> 01:47:24.437
THERE'S A LOT OF BUSINESSES SO PEOPLE BEING ABLE I KNOW THAT IT'S WAYFINDING AND ADVERTISEMENT BUT PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO GET TO BUSINESSES BRINGS MONEY INTO BLOOMINGTON.

559
01:47:24.437 --> 01:47:36.049
PEOPLE SPENDING MONEY AND IF THEY GET INTO THAT AREA THERE'S MORE BUSINESSES TO FIND. SO I ALSO AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THIS IS

560
01:47:36.049 --> 01:47:47.293
WAYFINDING AND ASSIST THESE BUSINESSES AND THRIVING HERE AND THAT'S I THINK GOOD FOR ALL OF BLOOMINGTON. I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THIS

561
01:47:47.293 --> 01:47:57.737
SITE AND I LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF WHERE THE SIGN WOULD BE, IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE MORE VISIBLE THAN LESS VISIBLE AND BECAUSE THE

562
01:47:57.737 --> 01:48:09.749
SIGN ITSELF IS NOT ELLIE THE FLASHING OR SO LARGE AS TO BE DISTRACTING FOR DRIVERS, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT IT

563
01:48:09.749 --> 01:48:23.629
WOULD BE WHERE IT IS BUT I THINK MORE SO THAN HAVING ANY OF MY OWN FEELINGS INVOLVED, THE STAFF I THINK HAVE LAID

564
01:48:23.629 --> 01:48:35.942
OUT THAT THERE IS REASONABLE NESS TO THE CHANGES TO THE SITE SIZE OF THIS AND WHERE IT LINES UP ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SUMMERS

565
01:48:35.942 --> 01:48:45.485
COMMISSIONER, IS IT ANOTHER QUICK QUESTION AND SO ON. I'M TRYING TO I'M REALLY ANALYZING THIS IMAGE HERE AND SO WE AGREED THAT THE NEW SIGN

566
01:48:45.485 --> 01:48:56.162
WOULD BE ROUGHLY IN LINE WITH THE BLACK LINE ON THE RIGHT SIDE RIGHT? OH, THAT'S A NEW SIGN. BUT THEN THE EXISTING ONE IS WAY SOUTH.

567
01:48:56.162 --> 01:49:09.508
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE SO IT'S OUT ALREADY 20FT OR IS IT MORE THAN 20FT? IT'S 69.7FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. OKAY.

568
01:49:09.508 --> 01:49:18.318
I SEE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. WAIT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

569
01:49:18.318 --> 01:49:30.063
I SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT UNENDING SIGNS ALONG THE ROAD EVEN EVEN THOUGH IT'S FOR 94. BUT I DO THINK THAT IN THIS

570
01:49:30.063 --> 01:49:40.940
PARTICULAR CASE I'M RELUCTANTLY OKAY WITH IT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME PART OF ME QUESTIONS LIKE OKAY, WE'RE GIVING YOU JUST AS BIG A

571
01:49:40.940 --> 01:49:51.484
SIGN BUT IT'S 40FT 50FT CLOSER TO THE ROAD THAN IT USED TO BE . YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S TOWERING? IS IT GOING TO FEEL BILLBOARD YEAH, I DO SHARE THOSE

572
01:49:51.484 --> 01:50:05.465
CONCERNS WITH YOU MR. CHAIR. BUT I THINK AGAIN GIVEN THE SORT OF UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE THIS THIS LITTLE STRETCH OF THE CORRIDOR, I

573
01:50:05.465 --> 01:50:15.041
GUESS I'M I'M RELUCTANTLY PREPARED TO TO DEAL WITH IT BASED ON THE ADVICE WE'VE BEEN GIVEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, VARIANCES AND AND MEETING QUALIFICATIONS FOR THOSE. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

574
01:50:15.041 --> 01:50:26.452
WAIT ANY ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THIS APPLICATION? IF NOT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A

575
01:50:26.452 --> 01:50:39.599
MOTION COMMISSIONER ON IT HAVING BEEN HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS, I MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ADOPTING APPROVING VARIANCES

576
01:50:39.599 --> 01:50:51.678
TO REDUCE THE SETBACK FROM 20FT TO 10FT AND TO INCREASE THE SIGN AREA FROM 200FT TO 245FT FOR A FREESTANDING SIGN LOCATED ALONG INTERSTATE 494

577
01:50:51.678 --> 01:51:02.755
WITHIN THE SOUTH TOWN SHOPPING CENTER SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION THERE A SECOND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION

578
01:51:02.755 --> 01:51:13.732
AND A SECOND TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THESE TWO VARIANCES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED NO, THIS MOTION

579
01:51:13.732 --> 01:51:26.512
PASSES FIVE ONE. THIS IS A FINAL DECISION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE'S AN APPEAL DEADLINE OF MAY 12TH 2026 AT 4:30 P.M.. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

580
01:51:26.512 --> 01:51:37.790
WE WILL INVITE COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM BACK IN TO THE CHAMBERS AND MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR WHICH IS THE

581
01:51:37.790 --> 01:51:49.435
CONSIDERATION OF FOR DRAFT MEETING SYNOPSIS AND WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE PLANNING RETREAT THAT WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 2026. THAT WAS AN UNTIL ADVISED A

582
01:51:49.435 --> 01:52:00.914
MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO I WILL LOOK FOR A MOTION APPROVING THOSE MINUTES. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WHITE I

583
01:52:00.914 --> 01:52:12.325
MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING SYNOPSIS FROM FEBRUARY 2ND 2026 PLANNING RETREAT AS PRINTED SO SECOND SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR

584
01:52:12.325 --> 01:52:20.566
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RETREAT MINI MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 2ND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES

585
01:52:20.566 --> 01:52:30.443
SEVEN ZERO WE'LL MOVE TO MARCH 10TH COMMISSION CUNNINGHAM WAS ABSENT. I'LL LOOK FOR COMMISSIONER

586
01:52:30.443 --> 01:52:44.056
WHEN I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MARCH 10TH 2026 CONCURRENT MEETINGS SYNOPSIS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY PLANNING COMMISSION

587
01:52:44.056 --> 01:52:53.533
SUSTAINABILITY AND PORT AUTHORITY IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE JOINT MEETING ON MARCH THE 10TH NOTING THE ABSENCES OF COMMISSIONERS

588
01:52:53.533 --> 01:53:04.277
CUNNINGHAM AND ISSA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED ABSTAIN ABSTAIN THEIR MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO WITH TWO ABSTENTIONS.

589
01:53:04.277 --> 01:53:16.856
WE'LL MOVE ON TO APRIL 16TH. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I MOVE TO ADOPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FROM APRIL 16TH 2026 AS

590
01:53:16.856 --> 01:53:26.866
WRITTEN. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APRIL 16TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSE THAT MOTION PASSES

591
01:53:26.866 --> 01:53:37.377
SEVEN ZERO AND WE'LL FINISH WITH APRIL 23RD. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I MOVE TO ADOPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FOR APRIL 23RD 2026 AS

592
01:53:37.377 --> 01:53:48.321
WRITTEN. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND I HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND FOR APRIL THE 23RD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY HI I OPPOSE THAT MOTION PASSES

593
01:53:48.321 --> 01:53:59.832
SEVEN ZERO. WE'LL MOVE THEN TO OUR FINAL ITEM WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER FIVE THE CITY OF WELLINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION POLICIES AND ISSUES UPDATE MR. JOHNSON THANK YOU CHAIR COOK GENERAL

594
01:53:59.832 --> 01:54:09.709
PREVIEW THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS ON MAY THE 21ST 2026 THERE ARE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED ONE IS FOR A REZONING AT THE TELEGRAPH HILL OFFICE PARK FROM R-1 PD TO B ONE PD AT

595
01:54:09.709 --> 01:54:20.753
MULTIPLE ADDRESSES THERE ON TELEGRAPH. SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS REGARDING REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN EXISTING AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY AT 3737 50 AMERICAN

596
01:54:20.753 --> 01:54:32.899
BOULEVARD EAST. THE THIRD PUBLIC HEARING IS A REGARDING REZONING AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR ANOTHER EXISTING REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY AT 7901 INTERNATIONAL DRIVE.

597
01:54:32.899 --> 01:54:44.843
THE FOURTH ITEM IS A CITY INITIATED ORDINANCE ON THE CORNER LOT STANDARDS SO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT WHICH HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU AT STUDY SESSION MOVING AHEAD TO THE JUNE FOURTH 2026 MEETING WE

598
01:54:44.843 --> 01:54:57.957
HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ONE STUDY ITEM SCHEDULED. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A TYPE TWO HOME BUSINESS A DANCE SCHOOL AT 8924 MOUNT CURVE ROAD. A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR

599
01:54:57.957 --> 01:55:09.702
CANNABIS CULTIVATION AT 8200 GRAND AVENUE SOUTH. AND THEN THE STUDY ITEM ON THAT MEETING IS AN UPDATE ABOUT THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT IS LISTED ON THE PLANNING

600
01:55:09.702 --> 01:55:21.347
COMMISSION WORK PLAN IS BEING LED BY PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF IN CONSULTATION WITH DAVEY TREE. THEY'VE DONE A COMPLETE ANALYSIS OF THE CITY'S URBAN CANOPY AS WELL AS RIGHT OF WAY

601
01:55:21.347 --> 01:55:32.859
TREES AND SOME REALLY INTERESTING DATA AND SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CITY THAT LAYS AHEAD THAT THEY'LL PRESENT FOR YOU FOR YOUR AWARENESS. I'M THINKING ABOUT OTHER UPDATES COMING AHEAD AND WE

602
01:55:32.859 --> 01:55:41.567
HAVE TWO EVENTS SCHEDULED FOR THE LAUNCH OF THE BLOOMINGTON 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR OUR COMP PLAN AND MAY THE 20TH THERE'LL BE A LAUNCH EVENT AT BRYANT PARK

603
01:55:41.567 --> 01:55:54.614
FROM 6 TO 7:30 P.M. AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY FROM THAT THERE WILL BE AN ONLINE EVENT ON MAY THE MAY 26TH SORRY AT 6 TO 7:30 P.M..

604
01:55:54.614 --> 01:56:06.125
THESE ARE DESIGNED TO BE KIND OF WORLD CAFE TYPE FORMATS OF ANSWERING DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENT QUESTIONS OR REALLY ARE HOPING TO GET A LOT OF COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AND SHOW UP AND TELL US WHAT

605
01:56:06.125 --> 01:56:15.368
THEY LOVE ABOUT BLOOMINGTON AND WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE FOR ITS FUTURE. THE OTHER TWO UPDATES I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE QUICKLY IS THAT THERE WAS A GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE NINE MILE CREEK WATER RENEWAL

606
01:56:15.368 --> 01:56:28.914
PROJECT AND VETERANS MEMORIAL YESTERDAY AT MOYER PARK AND THAT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT TO BE AT PREVIEWING THAT. SO THAT'S FUN TO SEE. AND THEN TODAY WAS THE RIBBON

607
01:56:28.914 --> 01:56:40.626
CUTTING ON THE SICK NORTH AMERICAN HEADQUARTERS PHASE TWO PROJECT THERE IN THE SOUTH LOOP. ALL THE DIGNITARIES FROM THE SIC COMPANY IN GERMANY WERE IN BLOOMINGTON TODAY TO

608
01:56:40.626 --> 01:56:50.369
CELEBRATE THAT. SO IT WAS I'M SURE THERE'LL BE A VIDEO ABOUT IT COMING OUT SOON IN THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. SO JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THOSE UPDATES. THANK YOU.

609
01:56:50.369 --> 01:57:01.547
MR. JOHNSON THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO BRING UP ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO DISCUSS? COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR GENTLE REMINDER IF

610
01:57:01.547 --> 01:57:13.525
YOU'RE SECONDING A MOTION, PLEASE MAKE SURE THE LATEST GREEN MS. BROWN REMINDED US LAST WEEK AND IF YOU'VE JUST SEEN YOU KNOW, JUST TRY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR RECORDING

611
01:57:13.525 --> 01:57:24.203
THE MINUTES. THANKS ALL THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS EVENING? SEEING NONE. THAT CONCLUDES THIS MAY 7TH

612
01:57:24.203 --> 01:57:30.676
MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. GOODNIGHT