##VIDEO ID:oys5tcAmmRs##  HELLO AND EVENING WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 2025 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION FOR AN OVERVIEW FOR THE AUDIENCE AND ALSO A FOCUS ON TV THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN MEMBERS WE HAVE FIVE AND ALMOST SIX THIS EVENING AND MAYBE A SEVENTH WILL BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY EACH MEMBER VOLUNTEERS THEIR TIME AND IS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MOST ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY THERE ARE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY ON ITS OWN SUBJECT TO THE APPEAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING FOR EACH ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT THEN A CHANCE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN A CHANCE FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND THEN THE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSS THE ITEM BEFORE ANY ACTION IS TAKEN. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.  PLEASE STAND IF YOU ARE ABLE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH AND JUSTICE FOR ALL .  ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST ITEM THIS EVENING IS DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER AT 9000 OLD CEDAR AVENUE AND PLANNER HAS YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT THANK YOU.  GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS YES SO TONIGHT THIS ITEM IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ADULT DAYCARE AND IT IS LOCATED AT 9000 OLD CEDAR AVENUE WHICH IS THIS PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED.  THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE ART FOR ZONING DISTRICT AND IT'S AT THE CORNER OF OLD CEDAR AVENUE SOUTH EAST 90TH STREET SURROUNDING USES MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND SOME COMMERCIAL ACROSS THE STREET.  SO THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN. THE BUILDING IS 2800 SQUARE FEET. THE ADULT DAYCARE WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM 50 PARTICIPANTS AND MAXIMUM OF SIX CAREGIVERS ON ANY GIVEN SHIFT PARTICIPANTS WILL USUALLY SPEND LESS THAN 6 HOURS PER DAY AT THE DAYCARE AND MOST WILL BE TRANSPORTED NOT DRIVING. THERE ARE NO PROPOSED EXTERIOR CHANGES THAN COMPLYING WITH ADA STANDARDS FOR PARKING AND ENTRANCES EXITS AS FAR AS CODE REQUIREMENTS GO PARKING PARKING IS IN COMPLIANCE 12 SPOTS ARE REQUIRED WHERE 13 ARE EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING ARE NOT COMPLIANCE.  THESE ARE CONDITIONS LISTED ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT AND THEN AS I SENT OUT EARLIER VIA EMAIL AND SHOULD BE AT YOUR CHAIRS AS WELL WE DID RECEIVE A PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO TRAFFIC IN THIS AREA.  THIS IS NOT A CONCERN ACCORDING TO OUR STAFF AS I SITE IS SERVED BY TWO MAJOR COLLECTOR ROADWAYS OF OF ADEQUATE CAPACITY AND THEN THE PICK UP AND DROP OFF MUST OCCUR ON SITE  AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THE SITE WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE FULLY SPRINKLER PROTECTED BECAUSE OF THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE AND SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM OR ME. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF NOT OH OKAY.  ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEING DONE NOW WE HAVE THE IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO COME UP WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEM  WELCOME OR THANK YOU AND GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.  MY NAME IS MOHAMMED 9516 OAKLAND URBAN ASSAULT IN BLOOMINGTON UM I DON'T REALLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO ADD TO THIS IS A BUILDING THAT HAS FORMERLY SERVED OR IS BEING USED AS AN OFFICE BUILDING WE'VE OWNED IT FOR I THINK ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IT AND A USEFUL USE OF IT AND REINVIGORATE THAT CORNER AND WE PLEASED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OR THE SERVICE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND UM IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.  THANK YOU THE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER THANK YOU CHAIR YES. SO WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE PICK UP AND DROP OFF EXPECTED TO BE ON A DAILY BASIS? I DON'T KNOW HOW TRAFFIC WORKS AT AN ADULT DAY CARE.  UM WE ANTICIPATE THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL BE DROPPED OFF BETWEEN SEVEN AND 8 A.M.. THERE ARE AN INTEREST IN AN EXIT SO THERE'S LIKE TWO TO SORT OF A DRIVE AND PICKUP PROBABLY AT THE END OF THE MOST PEOPLE THERE WILL PROBABLY BE ABOUT BETWEEN NOON AND TWO I ANTICIPATE.  SO THERE'S JUST ONE ONE TIME IN THE MORNING AND THEN ONE TIME AT NOON AND THAT'S IT. YOU'RE SAYING?  YEAH, MOST PEOPLE DO COME IN . THIS IS A VERY STRUCTURED PROGRAM AND THE WAY IT WORKS IS CALLED, YOU KNOW, SENIOR CENTER ADULT DAY FACILITY TYPE . SO PEOPLE HAVE SAID THIS GOES ON SOME PEOPLE HAVE FIVE DAY ATTENDANCE. SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE ONE DAY OR TWO DAY. WE DON'T REALLY MAKE THE PROGRAM AND RULES IS OFTEN MADE BY THE MEMBERS WHO RECEIVE SERVICES SO THEY'RE AUTHORIZED FOR SERVICES INITIALLY WE ARE PLANNING TO JUST BE THERE ONE SHIFT IT'S POSSIBLE IF THE NEED BE ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE'RE ONLY AUTHORIZED FOR 50 MAXIMUM CAPACITY THAT WE MIGHT THAT ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE SHIFT BUT AT ANY GIVEN SHOW OF TWO THERE WOULD ONLY BE A ONE PICKUP TIME AND ONE DROP OFF ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MOST PEOPLE WILL BE DRIVEN IN INTO THE PLACE SO TYPICALLY ONE OR TWO MINIVANS KIND OF YOU KNOW BRING PEOPLE IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, DROP THEM OFF SO THEY'RE NOT DRIVING MOST OF THE TIME. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S TWO THREE CARS THAT DOES THE DROP OFF ONE, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.  THE OTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THANK YOU VERY MUCH . THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SO.  WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLANNING MANAGER MARK , IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WISHING TO TESTIFY TO ROBERT?  NOBODY ONLINE FOR THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT AND NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBER AS I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED THE SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES DISCUSSION I'LL START US OFF FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION APPRECIATE REINVIGORATING THIS CORNER WE'VE SEEN I ACTUALLY WALKED PAST HERE QUITE A BIT AND HAVE NOTICED THAT IT'S EMPTY SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE A BUSINESS COMING IN ESPECIALLY ONE THAT SERVES OUR COMMUNITY SO AND I'M IN SUPPORT .  TRICIA CURRY THANKS. CHER YEAH.  I MEAN IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH OF ANY TRAFFIC THROUGH THE BUILDING ON A DAILY BASIS. SO ALTHOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SOMEBODY GETS A TON OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD WHICH MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AT SOME POINT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON THERE BUT I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAVE REALLY I MEAN IF THERE'S ANY IMPACT IT'S GOING TO BE SUPER MINIMAL. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT.  ANYONE TO MAKE A MOTION COMMISSIONER COOKED IT I'M SURE HAVING ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVE TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN ADULT DAYCARE CENTER LOCATED AT 9000 OLD CEDAR AVENUE SOUTH SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT WE EMOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ALL RIGHT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES THAT ITEM IS A FINAL APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUBJECT APPEAL ALL RIGHT ITEM TWO IS ALSO HAS A PUBLIC HEARING IT IS A CITY CODE AMENDMENT FOR RS ONE AND R1A AND PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOHNSON YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT.  THANK YOU CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONERS GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL SO CITY CODE AMENDMENTS CITY INITIATED ON THIS ONE IT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF STUDY SESSIONS AND BUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER TIMELINE ON THIS PROJECT I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN KIND OF THE ROUTE WE'VE GONE DOWN AND SOME OF THE REASONS THEREIN BUT PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE AND PRESENT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN THIS REGARD. SO LITTLE BIT ABOUT OOPSIE GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE SORRY ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO FOR THOSE NEWER TO THE COMMISSION WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS AND EARLY 2023 WHERE WE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT UPDATES TO OUR ONE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND SOME OF THE NEW STANDARDS ARE APPLICABLE TO SINGLE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.  THE BROAD SCOPE OR THE BROAD INTENTION OF THESE CHANGES WAS TO INCREASE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING CREATION THROUGH INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER REASONS KIND OF INFORMING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES.  SO THAT WAS ADOPTED IN MAY OF 2023.  FOLLOWING THAT ACTION THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING AT THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY'S SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THERE'S TWO OTHER ONES OF NOTE THERE'S THE ARE AS ONE LARGE LIGHT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND THERE'S THE ARDECHE A DISTRICT WHICH IS THE RESTRICTED LARGE LIGHT DISTRICT AND I'LL EXPLAIN SOME OF THE NUANCES OR FEATURES OF THOSE TWO DISTRICTS. SO AT THAT TIME AFTER THE COUNCIL ADOPTED THAT AMENDMENT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT LOOKING AT THOSE OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL AS A FOLLOW UP PROJECT TO THE THE CHANGES THAT WERE ADOPTED IN MAY OF 2023.  SO IT WAS ADDED TO THE 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN IT SINCE HAS ALSO BEEN ADOPTED AS A CONTINUATION UNDER THE 25 WORK PLAN. SO FOUR STUDY SESSIONS HAVE BEEN HELD ON TOPIC STAFF REALLY PRESENTED OUR INITIAL FINDINGS AND RESEARCH AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND ANALYSIS ABOUT THE ONE HOUR AS ONE DISTRICT AS WELL AS KIND CITYWIDE CONTEXT OF VARIOUS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AROUND THE THAT TOOK PLACE IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 AFTER THAT INITIAL CITY COUNCIL SESSION THERE EFFECTIVELY WAS A PAUSE ON THE PROJECT A COUPLE OF REASONS ONE THE CITY COUNCIL DID NOT COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THE CHANGES THAT WANTED TO MAKE THE LAST ONE DISTRICT AT THAT TIME AND.  THE SECOND REASON HAS TO DO WITH MY LAST BULLET ON THE SLIDE IS THAT THERE WAS SOME LEGISLATION BEING CONSIDERED AT THE LEGISLATURE LEGISLATURE AS PART OF THE 24TH SESSION THE MISSING MIDDLE MIDDLE HOUSING BILL WHICH EFFECTIVELY WOULD HAVE IMPACTED THE CITY'S ABILITY TO LARGER MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND RESIDENTIAL ZONING. SO IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP PURSUING THE PROJECT WHILE THAT WAS BEING UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THE STATE STAFF PAUSE TO WAIT TO SEE WHAT OUTCOME OF THAT WAS THAT ULTIMATELY DID NOT GO FORWARD. SO FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENT IN THE PROCESS WE BROUGHT A SECOND STUDY SESSION BACK TO THE COUNCIL IN AUGUST THAT THE SECOND STUDY SESSION WAS FOR THE MOST PART FAIRLY EFFECTIVE AT KIND OF BRUSHING OUT THE LINES AT WHICH THE COUNCIL COULD REACH CONSENSUS ON IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES THEY WANTED TO MAKE TO HOURS ONE AND THEN WE BROUGHT A FINAL STUDY SESSION TO THEM IN OCTOBER OF 2024 AND THAT'S WHERE THEY ULTIMATELY GAVE STAFF DIRECTION OF WHAT THEY TO SEE IN THE HOURS ONE ORDINANCE. ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE IS THAT PARALLEL THIS ARE US ONE STUDY STAFF AS ALSO PART OF THE 2024 WORK PLAN ALSO EVALUATED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS THAT WERE APPLICABLE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LOTS SO SPECIFICALLY WE LOOKED AT OUR TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. WE LOOKED AT OUR STEEP STANDARDS, WE LOOKED AT A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT KIND OF RELATE TO ECOLOGY, ECOLOGY AND OTHER SENSITIVE AREAS IN THE CITY THERE WERE SOME MODEST CHANGES THAT WERE ADOPTED AS PART OF THAT ORDINANCE.  I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT COMPLETELY OVERHAULED THOSE TWO POLICIES. I WOULD SAY IT JUST MODEST MODESTLY ENHANCED THEM.  BUT IT WAS A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE POTENTIAL OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT, IT MADE SENSE TO TO REEXAMINE THOSE THINGS SO THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE SUMMARY OF HOW WE'VE GOTTEN HERE TONIGHT.  LET'S SEE IF I CAN THERE WE GO . SO JUST TO SET THE CONTEXT TO SET EVERYBODY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT RS ONE SO THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT IN THE CITY EFFECTIVELY REPRESENTS THE THE LARGE PROPORTION OF ALL THE LOW DENSITY LOTS IN BLOOMINGTON IT'S OVER 21,000 LOTS IN BLOOMINGTON THE RS ONE DISTRICT THE LARGE LOT DISTRICT THERE'S 116 OF THESE LOTS AND FOR THE MOST PART THEY'RE ALL LOCATED TO THE WEST OF NORMAN DALE BOULEVARD PRIMARILY THREE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THOUGH THERE ARE TWO REMNANT R'S ONE LOTS ON THE SOUTH END OF NORMAN DALE AS WELL. SO THE FOREST HAVEN AND TIMBER GLADE NEIGHBORHOODS EFFECTIVELY IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE INTENT AS WITH ANY ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE IS AN INTENT STATEMENT. WHAT IS THIS ZONING DISTRICT EFFECTIVELY?  WHAT PURPOSE DOES IT SERVE? AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE INTENDED TO BE FOR LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS STEEP, SIGNIFICANT VEGETATION, WETLANDS OR OTHER OR OTHER OR IN AREAS EXCUSE ME ARE SUBSTANTIALLY DEVELOPED AS LARGE LOTS ORDER TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE AREA SO THAT EFFECTIVELY SERVES AS KIND OF THE YOU KNOW NORTHSTAR OF WHAT THE DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO DO CONVERSELY THE R1A DISTRICT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IN THE STUDY SESSIONS BECAUSE THE FOCUS OF THE STUDY WAS MORE ON THE RS1 DISTRICT BUT THROUGH SOME ADDITIONAL WORK ON STAFF AND WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL MADE SENSE TO INCORPORATE SOME MODEST CHANGES TO THIS DISTRICT AS WELL. THE DISTRICT TWO DISTRICT IS VERY SIMILAR TO RS ONE IT'S ALSO INTENDED TO SERVE LARGE LOTS BUT THIS HAPPENS TO BE IN THE ONE AREA OF BLOOMINGTON WITH RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE NOT CONNECTED SANITARY SEWER AND WATER I THINK THEY ACTUALLY MIGHT BE CONNECTED TO WATER.  THEY DON'T HAVE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE. THEY'RE ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS.  SO A UNIQUE FEATURE IN BLOOMINGTON NOT MANY PROPERTIES ARE ON SEPTIC BUT THAT'S WHY THIS ZONING DISTRICT EXISTS IS EFFECTIVELY THEY CANNOT BE THE DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY OF THEM CANNOT INCREASE AS A RESULT OF OF THAT AND THERE'S ONLY SEVEN OF THESE PROPERTIES THERE IN THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF BLOOMINGTON OFF AUTO CLUB RIGHT NEAR THE BETHANY CAMPUS . AS YOU CAN SEE HERE SIMILAR TO MY LAST SLIDE ABOUT RS1 THIS THE DISTRICT INTENT SO APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE PUBLIC WATER AND SANITARY SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE KIND OF WHAT I MENTIONED SO THE CITY COUNCIL'S HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A ROBUST AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION I RECALL IN FEBRUARY AS WELL THEY WENT THROUGH A LITANY OF DIFFERENT OR A LIST OF DIFFERENT POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT WE STARTED WITH. LAST ONE THE POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT STAFF BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AS PART OF THOSE FIRST STUDY SESSIONS CAN EFFECTIVELY BE SUMMARIZED IN THESE ITEMS AS SHOWN TO YOU IN THIS TABLE THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT IT WAS AMENDING HOURS ONE DISTRICT INTENT MAKING TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE PERMITTED IN THE FIRST ONE DISTRICT PROHIBITING INSTITUTIONAL RELATED USES IN THESE DISTRICTS REDUCING THE HOURS ONE DISTRICT MINIMUM LOT SIZE REMOVE THE MEDIUM SITE WITH REQUIREMENT FROM HOURS ONE AN HOUR ONE DAY AND REMOVE T PREVAILING SETBACK REQUIREMENT.  WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IN THIS TABLE IS JUST PROVIDE A QUICK VISUAL CUE TO WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSION DISCUSSIONS RESULTED IN IN TERMS OF CONSENSUS BUILDING. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE THE FIRST TOP THREE ITEMS THERE WAS MAJORITY CONSENSUS TO PROCEED WITH AMENDING THE DISTRICT INTENT ADDING TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND PROHIBITING THESE INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE IN THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED AS ACCESSORY AND RS ONE THERE WAS NOT CONSENSUS AT EITHER BODY TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM DISTRICT LOT SIZE FOR RS AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT REACH CONSENSUS ON REMOVING SIGHT WITH AND PREVAILING SETBACK WHEREAS THE CITY COUNCIL DID HAVE MORE PROPORTIONAL SUPPORT THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY UNANIMOUS TO PROCEED WITH THOSE CHANGES OF REMOVING MEDIAN AND PREVAILING SITE WIDTH AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHY THAT THAT HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES THAT'S KIND OF THE BACKGROUND SLIDE OF ALL THE BULLETS ALL THE MEETINGS WHAT IT REALLY RESULTS IN IS THIS TABLE TS IS REALLY THE ESSENTIAL THING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CONTENT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THAT IT REALLY REFLECTS CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL GUIDANCE AT THAT LAST OCTOBER STUDY SESSION.  SO WHAT IS THIS ORDINANCE INCLUDES IT INCLUDES THE INTENT IT HAS USED CHANGES AS I DISCUSSED IT REMOVES MEDIA INSIGHT WITH THERE'S A CHANGE TO THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT RELATED TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A MINUTE AND IT REMOVES PREVAILING SETBACK AS A STANDARD JUST TWO QUICK NOTES ABOUT MEDIAN SITE WITHIN PREVAILING THOSE USED TO ALSO APPLY TO OUR ONE ZONING DISTRICT THE 21,000 PLUS LOTS AS I DISCUSSED THOSE WERE REMOVED AS PART OF THAT ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED IN MAY OF 2023 BUT STILL ARE TO RS ONE AN R ONE DAY SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE IN TERMS OF WHERE STAFF SEES THE OPPORTUNITIES OR WHAT ARE KIND OF THE OBJECTIVES AS WE SEE THEM WITH.  THIS ORDINANCE WE REALLY HAVE THREE GOALS IN MIND. ONE IS JUST TO REDUCE REGULATORY COMPLEXITY WE'VE PROBABLY WORN BODIES OUT WITH STREAMLINING AND TRYING TO SIMPLIFY THINGS IN DIFFERENT WAYS BUT THIS KIND OF FOLLOWS THAT SAME THREAD OF WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MORE SIMPLE FOR LANDOWNERS AND POTENTIAL APPLICANTS TO USE THEIR PROPERTIES.  THE SECOND THING IS INCREASING OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING CREATION AND VARIETY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THIS ORDINANCE. OBVIOUSLY THOSE CHANGES WERE MORE SUBSTANTIAL WITH OUR ONE BUT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THIS PROJECT WOULD SAY IT'S MORE ARRESTS AND ADDING TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS TO TWO RS ONE WE VERY MUCH COULD ENVISION A SCENARIO SOMEONE WANTS TO CONVERT AN EXISTING HOME TO THAT USE SO THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND THEN THE THIRD IS JUST REMOVING STANDARDS THAT YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDABLY THEY WERE ESTABLISHED WHEN THEY WERE IN THE MID 2000S BUT WE HAVE FOUND A STAFF ALSO HAVE NEGATIVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MOSTLY ON KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT COMPONENTS AND I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN WHY.  SO JUST TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY SO THE DISTRICT INTENT I'D SAY THE BIGGEST CHANGE HERE IS THAT NOW THE INTENT STATEMENT LISTS ALL OF THESE THINGS WITH A LITTLE LESS BUT THE BIG CHANGE HERE IS JUST STATING THAT THESE AREAS SHOULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO OF THESE CHARACTERISTICS NOT JUST A ONE AND THEN WITH THE LIST EFFECTIVELY THIS A THROUGH D LIST IS IS THE SAME CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THE INTENT STATEMENT TODAY BUT IT ADDS MORE SPECIFIC REFERENCES THE CITY CODE AND OTHER REGULATIONS AND STATE STATUTE OR LAW.  SO FOR EXAMPLE IT REFERENCES OUR STEEP SLOPES SECTION OF THE CODE . IT NOTES THAT VEGETATION SHOULD BE NATURAL AND NATIVE AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY FORESTER.  IT TALKS ABOUT WETLANDS AS DEFINED IN STATE LAW. MINNESOTA RULES AND THEN STILL HAS THE STATEMENT AROUND SUBSTANTIALLY DEVELOPED AS LARGE LOTS SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES AGAIN THAT THE CONSENSUS FROM BOTH PARTIES TO PROCEED WITH THOSE THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE ORDINANCE SO I MENTIONED TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ADDING THAT TO OUR AS ONE JUST A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ABOUT THAT ALL OF THE REST ONE AREAS IN THE CITY ARE ALSO GATED LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN OUR PLAN AND OUR COMP PLAN CLEARLY AND EXPLICITLY STATES THAT TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.  SO THIS IS REALLY JUST BRINGING THE RS ONE DISTRICT INTO THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN. ONE COULD ASK WHY NOT ADD IT FOR OUR ONE A BUT AGAIN BACK TO THAT POINT ABOUT THEM BEING ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ADD IT TO THAT THAT DISTRICT. AGAIN THESE INSTITUTIONAL USES IT'S A LITTLE BIT ARE WE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE RESOLVED A COMPLETELY CLEAR ANSWER BUT IS INSTITUTIONAL  USE AS PRIVATE FOOD SERVICE ACCESSORY COLUMBARIUM TO PLACE OF ASSEMBLY AND WORSHIP CONSERVATORY OR GREEN HOUSE ACCESSORY TO INSTITUTIONAL USES? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL USES OR SUCH AS PLACE OF ASSEMBLY OR CEMETERY THAT ARE ALLOWED IN R.S. TODAY.  SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT THOSE ACCESSORY USES EXIST IN THOSE DISTRICTS. SO AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS WE JUST THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO CLEAN THAT UP. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THOSE DISTRICTS BEING USED FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES IN THE FUTURE. IT'S JUST THERE FOR FOR FOR RESIDENTIAL.  SO MEDIAN SITE WITH MEDIAN SITE WITH YOU LONGER TENURE MEMBERS ARE PROBABLY MORE FAMILIAR WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY'VE ME PRESENT ABOUT IT BEFORE BUT EFFECTIVELY WHAT MEDIAN SITE WITH IS IS AGAIN IT'S ONLYPPLICABLE TO RS ONE AND R18 CURRENTLY IT WAS ADOPTED THE MID 2000S AS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUITY STANDARD TRYING TO ENSURE THAT NEW INFILL DEVELOPMENT KIND OF MET THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.  WHAT IT REQUIRES IS THAT ANY NEW SUBDIVIDED LOT MEET 80% OF THE MEDIAN WIDTH OF PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN 500 FEET. SO IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THAT YOU HAVE COLLECT ALL THE SITE WIDTHS OF THE PROPERTIES EXCEPT THOSE THAT MEET SOME TYPE OF EXCEPTION WHICH IS CORNER LOTS FLAGLER OTHER TYPES OF PROPERTIES THAT DON'T FUNCTION WELL FOR THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS BUT YOU HAVE TO COLLECT ALL THE SITE WITH YOU DETERMINE WHAT THE MEDIAN IS YOU MULTIPLY IT BY 80% AND THAT EFFECTIVELY HAS TO BE WHAT NEW LOTS MEAN IS THAT 80% OF MEDIAN.  AND SO AGAIN AS I SAID WHILE I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT THERE WHAT IT ULTIMATELY RESULTS IS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY BOTH FOR STAFF TO GIVE NEIGHBORS OR PROPERTY OWNERS AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY CAN DO. BUT IT ALSO EFFECTIVELY ADDS SURVEYING COSTS BECAUSE WHAT THE STAFF REQUIRES THEM TO DO IS TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE TO PROVIDE STAFF WITH CONFIRMATION THAT THE THE SITE THE NEW SITES ARE EFFECTIVELY MEETING THAT FACT BY THE SURVEYOR OF RECORD SO THIS IS ONE THAT FROM STAFF'S VIEWPOINT DOESN'T ADD TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF BENEFIT GIVEN THE LARGE LOT SIZES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN OURS ONE IN OUR ONE THEY ARE S ONE IS 33,000 SQUARE FEET SO THAT'S THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE ARE 1AI FORGET OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WE CAN MAYBE GLENN CAN HELP ME IN ONE OF HIS LAST WORDS HERE FROM DAIS BUT THEY'RE VERY LARGE LOT SIZES SO THE MEDIAN SITE WITH ISSUE IS YOU KNOW COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME. CERTAINLY SOME OF THESE LOTS ARE DEEPER BUT IN OUR JUDGMENT EFFECTIVELY ADDS A LOT OF COMPLEXITY TO WITHOUT A COMMENSURATE AMOUNT OF BENEFIT GETTING TO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ITEM ON THE R1A WHAT YOU DON'T SEE ON YOUR SLIDE IS THAT VERY THERE IS MAXIMUM LIMITATION ON LARGE LOT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ELSEWHERE THE CODE IT SAYS THAT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS IS 12,000 SQUARE FEET AND 1000 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET FOR EVERY ACRE ABOVE AN ACRE.  AND THE REASON IT'S THAT WAY IS THAT IF YOU IF YOU APPLIED BASE STANDARD OF 35% WHICH EXISTS IN OUR ONE DISTRICT TO A VERY LARGE LOT YOU EFFECTIVELY COULD HAVE A TON PAVEMENT ON A VERY LARGE PROPERTY AND SO THAT LANGUAGE IS BELOW THIS AND MOST OF THE R1R-1 THESE SITES ARE GOING TO BE REGULATED BY THAT MAX 12,000 THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING TO BE THEIR STANDARD. THERE IS 1R-1A PROPERTY THAT IS SMALLER AND THERE'S THE SITE AREA ON THERE BY THE WAY. SO I DIDN'T MAKE ONE HAVE TO DO ANY WORK AT 65,000 BUT THERE IS ONE SMALLER ONE AND CURRENTLY THERE IS NO 35% MAXIMUM IN THIS DISTRICT.  SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SMALLER PROPERTY EFFECTIVELY THEY COULD GO UP TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET IN THEORY WITHOUT THIS MODEST CHANGE WE DID DO SOME ANALYSIS OF THE PROPERTY WANT TO ASSURE EVERYONE THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE ANY NON-CONFORMITY THIS THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDER THIS THRESHOLD BUT IT'S JUST THIS IS KIND OF JUST GOOD HOUSEKEEPING ON OUR PART EFFECTIVELY THE LAST THING IS PREVAILING SETBACK SO SIMILAR TO MEDIAN SAY WITH THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE STANDARDS THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE MID 2000 IN ORDER TO TRY AND CREATE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTINUITY THINK OF KIND OF A STATE LOT SUBDIVISIONS WHERE PROPERTIES ARE SET BACK VERY FAR AWAY FROM THE ROAD. WHAT THIS STANDARD REQUIRES IS THAT IF A NEW HOUSE IS BUILT OR AN ADDITION THEN IT EFFECTIVELY BE NO CLOSER THAN THE AVERAGE OF THE TWO HOMES NEXT TO THEM. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT THAT YOUR WHAT YOU CAN DO ON YOUR LOT IS EFFECTIVELY GOVERNED BY WHERE THE STRUCTURES ARE ON THE SITES NEXT TO YOU BUT IN TO THAT AND TO THE POINT ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IS MANY OF THE RS1 AREAS ARE STEEP SLOPES, HEAVILY WOODED BUT THIS EFFECTIVELY REQUIRES SOME STRUCTURES AND ADDITIONS TO DO IS TO BE SET BACK QUITE A WAYS ON THE PROPERTY WHICH SOMETIMES CAN RESULT IN MORE TREE REMOVAL THAN IS NECESSARY. IT ACTUALLY TURNS OUT THAT SOME OF THE MOST BUILDABLE AREAS ON THESE ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET NOT FURTHER AWAY BUT IN ADDITION THAT IS THAT IT REQUIRES A MUCH LONGER DRIVEWAY THAN WHAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE TO SERVE THE PROPERTY. SO YOU'RE ADDING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVAL, THE REGULATORY COMPLEXITY ISSUE THAT I MENTIONED WITH MEDIAN ALSO APPLIES HERE. YOU EFFECTIVELY HAVE TO REQUIRE SURVEYOR TO SHOOT OR ESTABLISH WHAT THE SETBACK IS ON THE NEXT TO YOU IN ORDER TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE.  SO THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM WITH WITH SOME OF THE GOALS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OUR STAFF AND THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO SEE BE REMOVED SO HOPEFULLY PROVIDES A GOOD OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE.  I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AGAIN. THIS ONE'S BEEN THROUGH A LONG PROCESS THROUGH A LOT OF TWISTS AND TURNS BUT HAPPY TO TRY AND ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT EXIST.  THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER GARY NATURE?  I'M JUST READING THROUGH SOME OF THE NOTES. IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE LEANING TOWARDS THIS OPTION ONE A WHAT WHAT OPTION WAS THAT JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. YEAH THANK YOU. SO OPTION ONE CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY SORRY WHAT OPTION ONE IS IS THE EFFECTIVELY THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND SO WHAT MR. CURRY'S REFERRING TO IS THAT AT THE LAST OCTOBER STUDY SESSION WE PRESENTED SIX OPTIONAL ORDINANCES TO THE COUNCIL IN ORDER TO TRY AND EFFECTIVELY PIN THEM DOWN AND IN TERMS OF GETTING A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAD SPENT EXPENDED A LOT OF AND DISCUSSION TIME ON THIS TOPIC SO WE WANTED TO TRY AND GET JUST CLEAR DIRECTION FOR ONE OPTION OR ANOTHER ACTUALLY AN EXTRA SLIDE KIND OF SHOWING WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.  BUT THE TWO OPTIONS PIVOTED ON TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES ONE WAS ONE WAS LOT SIZE SO YOU CAN SEE OPTION ONE HAD THE EXISTING MINIMUM LOT SIZE OPTION TWO REDUCED IT TO 22,000. OPTION THREE REDUCED IT ACTUALLY ALL THE WAY TO WHAT THE CURRENT R ONE STANDARD IS WHICH IS SEVEN 800 OR 11,050 SQUARE FEET THE OTHER AT THE OTHER ISSUE THAT THE SIX OPTIONS PIVOTED ON WAS WHETHER OR NOT TO ADOPT ENHANCED ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO THE RS ONE ZONING DISTRICT. SO WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE RIGID IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENTS AND ADDITIONAL TREE PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS IN OUR S ONE ULTIMATELY WHAT THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO DO AND THIS WAS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION TERMS OF JUST THE BEST WAY TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT WAS TO SUPPORT THE OPTION ONE A BUT THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT OPTIONS MOSTLY WOULD SAY THE DISCUSSION FOCUSED ON MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND THROUGH THIS PROCESS PARTICULARLY AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL I'D SAY THAT'S BEEN THE HARDEST THING TO BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND THAT PEOPLE WERE VERY FAR APART ON WHAT MINIMUM SIZE TO SELECT AND WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES ULTIMATELY THEY DECIDED NOT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES WAS THEIR PREFERENCE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF BUT JUST TO REITERATE THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT EFFECTIVELY IS ONE AND THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO GO FORWARD WITH . I HAVE A QUESTION.  MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR THAT LEGISLATION COME UP AGAIN IN 25. DOES THAT HAVE IMPACT ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AT ALL? YEAH, SURE. I'LL SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF POTENTIAL LEGISLATION AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT, I THINK THE PREVIOUS APPROACH WAS A VERY MUCH AN ALL ENCOMPASSING BILL WITH A LOT DIFFERENT STANDARDS OR METHODS TO KIND OF ADDRESS SOME OF THESE HOUSING CONSIDERATIONS AND ZONING CONSIDERATIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF A TARGETED APPROACH. SO I THINK WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A WAIT AND SEE MODE AS TO WHAT ACTUALLY GETS TRACTION AND IF THERE'S ANY MOMENTUM ON ANY THOSE DIFFERENT ITEMS. BUT EFFECTIVELY IF THEY MAKE SOME STATEWIDE CHANGES AS IT PERTAINS TO LAND OR ZONING REGULATION BLOOMINGTON AS ANY OTHER CITY WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO EVALUATE OUR CODES AND ULTIMATELY COME INTO WITH STATE LAW WHATEVER IT IS THAT PURSUE OR PASS I SHOULD SAY.  SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY A LITTLE BIT OF A CLOUD HANGING OVER THIS YEAR WITH THE COMPOSITION OF THE LEGISLATURE AND KIND OF SOME OF THE DYNAMICS IT'S HARD TO MAKE ANY KIND OF GUESS AS TO WHAT THEY'LL BE DOING IN SAINT PAUL THIS YEAR.  I WOULD SAY THAT'S MY UNEDUCATED OR MY UNINFORMED FEEDBACK.  ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?  ALL RIGHT. THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ITEM SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS PLANNING MANAGER MERCURY OR ANYONE ONLINE JERRY ALBRECHT WE HAVE ONLINE FOR THIS ITEM. ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER THREE THANK YOU CHAIR WELL I THINK I THINK THIS IS A INTERESTING IN THAT I THINK THE ORIGINAL THIRD MEMBER CORRECTLY THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF BRINGING THIS UP WAS A ESSENTIALLY MIMIC WHAT EVER HAPPENED WITH OUR THE R-1 ORDINANCE RIGHT OR THAT WAS WHAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED AT LEAST I THINK BY THE CITY COUNCIL.  SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL THIS IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH AND I THINK IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE SPENT A BOATLOAD TIME ON THIS AND A LOT OF STAFF TIME ON IT. SO I GUESS KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS. I THINK WE JUST GET PAST AND MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT  ANYONE ELSE COMMISSIONER IN ? I WOULD AGREE. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR THAT IT SEEM LIKE A DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT FOR A VERY SMALL PORTION OF OF THE CITY HERE I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ON IT IT SEEMS REASONABLE I DON'T MIND THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS WITH LARGER LOTS IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. YOU KNOW WE TALK ABOUT SERVING THE ENTIRE MARKET SO I GUESS WE'LL SERVE THE HIGHER END OF THE MARKET IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S JUST FINE AND I'M I'M OKAY APPROVING THIS THIS EVENING.  I ALSO AGREE I THINK THAT ANY MORE TIME SPENT ON THIS SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A WASTE IN MY OPINION.  I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MOVE ON SO ANY ONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION GO AHEAD I MAKE A MOTION I MOVED TO RECOMMEND TWO OF THE RS ONE AND R1A DISTRICTS ORDINANCE THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE . ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION.  IAVE COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES THAT ITEM MOVES ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FEBRUARY 24TH AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.  THANK YOU. ITEM THREE IS A STUDY ITEM AND IS SIGNED CODE ONE YEAR LOOK BACK AMENDMENTS AND PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOHNSON AND PLANNING TECHNICIAN SHERROD HAS HAVE THE REPORT  THANKS EVERYONE AS I TRAVEL AROUND HERE KAREEM SHERROD PLANNING TISSUE TECHNICIAN HAS BEEN HELPING ME ON THIS PROJECT SO THANKS TO HIM FOR PRESENTING WITH ME AND HELPING WITH ME OR HELPING ME WITH THE ANALYSIS AND THE LEGWORK.  SO AS A POINT OF I FORGOT MY COMPUTER THAT'S GOING TO HELP . SO AS A WELL  SORRY ABOUT THAT SO JUST A QUICK AGENDA SLIDE WHAT WE PLAN TO TALK ABOUT IN THIS STUDY ITEM WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE VARIOUS CHANGES TO OUR DESIGN CODE FOR YOU. WE HAVE 16 OF THEM TO DISCUSS. WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND SO IN AN EFFICIENT WAY AND SPEND MORE TIME ON THE ONES THAT MORE IMPACTFUL, MAYBE LESS TIME ON THE ONES THAT ARE MORE CLERICAL FOR.  THOSE OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE UPDATE THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND APPROACH THIS DISCUSSION BUT I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AND THEN KAREEM AND I WILL GO BACK AND FORTH AND PRESENT SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO YOU.  WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OF OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS AND THEN AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS. SO FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T ON THE BOARD LAST FEBRUARY THE CITY ADOPTED A NEW SIGN CODE EFFECTIVELY KIND OF THE FIRST MAJOR REWRITE OF THE SAN CODE SINCE 1996. SO THAT PREVIOUS ORDINANCE HAD A LOT OF COMPLEXITY A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES OR ISSUES WITH IT IT WAS A VERY LARGE AND EXTENSIVE PROJECT ATTORNEY TASK OVER THERE WAS ALSO HEAVILY IN THAT EFFORT BUT WE GOT TO THE FINISH LINE AND SO FAR SO GOOD WE'VE PROCESSED 66 SIGNED PERMITS LAST YEAR AND FOR THE MOST EVERYTHING HAS BEEN RIDING ALONG PRETTY SMOOTHLY AND KAREEM HAS BEEN INVOLVED THE REVIEW AND ISSUANCE OF MANY OF THOSE PERMITS SO HE MIGHT BE THE MOST PERSON ABOUT THE SAN CODE AT THIS POINT BUT.  SO AS PART OF THAT PROCESS IN FEBRUARY OF 24 ONE COMMITMENT WE MADE BOTH TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BUT ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A SUBSTANTIAL DEPARTURE FROM THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE WE COMMITTED TO DOING A ONE YEAR LOOK BACK BASICALLY EVALUATION OF THE CODE AS IT WAS OUT ON ON THE GROUND OR IN THE WILD IF YOU WILL FOR THAT FULL FIRST FULL YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT IS. WE EDITORIALIZED THE 2025 WORKPLAN AND HERE WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU. SO HOW DID WE ASSEMBLE THE CONTENT? BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN TRACKING DIFFERENT AND THE PERFORMANCE OF THE NEW SIGNED CODE THINGS THAT JUST STAFF OBSERVERS OBSERVES OR SEES AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT REAL WORLD SITUATIONS, REAL WORLD.  IN ADDITION TO THAT A FEW OF THEM HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED OR COME UP ON SITUATIONS DIRECTLY ON PROPERTIES OR WITH THE PUBLIC SO JUST TO NOTE THAT BUT OVERALL I THINK THE NEW SIGN CODE IS PERFORMING FAIRLY WELL. SO AT THIS POINT NOW I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP INTO WHAT THESE POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AND THE GOAL HERE IS WE'RE NOT DOING STUDY SESSION WITH THE COUNCIL. THIS IS EFFECTIVELY THE ONLY STUDY SESSION WE'RE PROPOSING PART OF THIS PROJECT SIMILAR TO MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES APPROACH AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT FOR THE MOST PART A LOT OF THESE MORE MODEST CHANGES AROUND THE EDGES THAN SUBSTANTIAL POLICY CHANGES. SO THE FIRST ONE I WON'T SPEND TOO TIME ON JUST THAT THE CURRENT SIGN CODE ONLY HAS A DEFINITION OF FRONTAGE.  IT WAS INTENDED TO BE FOCUSED ON LOT FRONTAGE THERE ELEMENTS OF THE SIGN CODE THAT FOCUSES ARE ALSO USED AS BUILDING FRONTAGE AND SO THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY A DEFINED TERM IN THE SIGN CODE WE WOULD TO ADD A DEFINITION TO THAT.  ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? OH MR. CUNNINGHAM THANKS.  SORRY MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR.  I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOHNSON GOT TO REMEMBER TO CHANGE THAT IN MY BRAIN NEXT MEETING A LOT FRONTAGE DOES THAT THERE'S A LOT FRONTAGE ESSENTIALLY WAY TO THE FRONTAGE FACING A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND IS THAT CLEAR IN THE DEFINITION YEAH COMMISSIONER I'M CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM SO YES THAT'S CORRECT THE THE WAY THAT THE SIGN CODE USES LOT FRONTAGE IS TO INFORM FREESTANDING SIGN ALLOWANCES OR ALLOCATION LAWS SO IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE A FREESTANDING ONLY ALONG PUBLIC STREET FACING FRONTAGES THERE ARE A FEW EXCEPTIONS TO THAT BUT YES IT'S THE POINT OF CONTACT WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. THE ONLY CAVEAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT THERE ARE SOME DEVELOPMENT AREAS TYPICALLY IN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE PRIVATE ROADWAYS WITHIN THEM AND THAT'S LIMITED CENTRAL STATION THERE'S A COUPLE OF THOSE THAT ARE PRIVATE BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.  THANK YOU. YEP. THE SECOND ONE ACTUALLY IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS FRONTAGE DEFINITION ISSUE IS THAT WE HAVE GRAPHICS COMPUTATION GRAPHICS FOR THAT FRONTAGE IN OUR SIGN CODE WE DON'T HAVE FOR BUILDING FRONTAGE COMPUTATION AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT, IT TURNED OUT TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE COMPLEX ISSUE THAN WE ORIGINALLY CAME WITH. YOU KNOW, NOT MOST BUILDINGS THANKFULLY ARE SQUARES OR RECTANGLES OR FIT NEATLY ALONG PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT DON'T FALL UNDER THAT AND THANKFULLY I MEAN ONE DEFINITELY ONE VARIETY AND ADDS TO THE CHARACTER BUT DON'T FIT NEATLY IN THAT IN THAT BOX SO WE NEED TO ADD SOME COMPUTATION GRAPHICS WHICH REALLY MORE CLEARLY COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC HOW WE WHAT INFORMS THEIR SIGNAGE ALLOWANCE AND SO SIMILAR TO HOW A LOT FRONTAGE INFORMS FREESTANDING SIGNAGE LAWRENCE BUILDING INFORMS THE NUMBER THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU GET FOR BUILDING SIGNS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE?  OKAY, I'LL PROCEED ALONG HERE . SO THE NEXT TWO I THINK DO REPRESENT MORE SUBSTANTIAL POLICY DECISIONS ON THE PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL SO WE HAD THIS SIGN TYPE AND IT'S IN THE CURRENT SIGN CODE ROOF INTERNAL SIGN THESE ARE SIGNS AND WITH THE NET WITH THIS ONE AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ISSUES SOMETIMES IT'S HELPFUL TO REALLY LOOK AT AND STUDY THE DEFINITION BUT EFFECTIVELY WHAT A ROUGH INTERNAL SIGN THAT THAT ACTUALLY SMALL GRAPHIC IS A GRAPHIC IN THE CODE AND THAT DESCRIBES WHAT IT IS PRETTY WELL IT'S A SIGN THAT'S MOUNTED ON ON THE ROOF BUT NOT ABOVE THE ROOFLINE THAT'S WHAT A ROOF INTERNAL SIGN IS THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT OBVIOUSLY IN THE IMAGE OF THE RESTAURANT ON THE TOP END THE SLIDE BUT WHILE THIS IS A DEFINED SIGN TYPE IN THE SIGN WE FORGOT TO ADD IT AS EITHER A PERMITTED OR PROHIBITED TYPE . SO IT'S FLOATING IN IN THE OTHER WORLDS RIGHT NOW?  THE CITY THERE HAS TO MAKE A DECISION OF WHETHER TO ALLOW THESE SIGN TYPES OR OR TO PROHIBIT THEM. SO THAT WOULD INVOLVE AMENDIN DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE SIGN CODE DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION CHOSE STAFF RECOMMENDS ALLOWING THEM AND ALL THE SIGN DISTRICTS WITH THIS ONE AS WELL AS THE ONE WE'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT WHICH IS ROOF SIGNS.  YOU KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES THAT EITHER DEPENDING THE CONSUMER EITHER HAVE ESTHETIC CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM OR DON'T LIKE HOW THEY LOOK IN SOME OF THEM IN SOME CASES. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT IT THOUGH IS THAT ON SOME COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE IS NOT A LOT OF SUBSTANTIAL STORE FRONTAGE ABOVE THEIR ACTUAL STOREFRONT AND HAVING A ALLOWING FOR A ROOF INTEGRAL SIGN AND A COUPLE FOR SOME BUILDINGS IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY EFFECTIVE PLACE THAT THEY CAN HAVE COMMERCIAL ABOVE THEIR STOREFRONT THERE'S A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THAT OF SOME STRIP CENTERS ALONG AVENUE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN SO STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND ALLOWING ROOF INTEGRAL SIGNS FOR THE MOST PART THEY FUNCTION PRETTY WELL. IT'S TYPICALLY NOT A BUSINESSES FIRST CHOICE BUT IT DOES IT IS NEEDED FROM TIME TO TIME. SO ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK ON THAT SUGGESTION OR RECOMMENDATION COMMISSIONER THANK YOU MANAGER MR. JOHNSON FOR THE PUBLIC SPEAKING US WHAT THE SIGN DISTRICTS ARE +12345 YES THANK YOU FOR THAT CHAIR COMMISSIONER KIRKLAND SO CLASS ONE IS THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IT EFFECTIVELY SERVES ASSIGNED STANDARDS FOR INSTITUTIONAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USES IN THE R-1 DISTRICT SO PLACES OF ASSEMBLY GOVERNMENT, SOME GOVERNMENT SITES, PARK SITES TRYING TO THINK FIRE STATIONS ARE AN EXAMPLE.  SO I WOULD SAY THERE'S LESS PROPENSITY HERE FOR ROOF INTEGRAL SIGNS IN THAT DISTRICT CLASS TWO IS THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. CLASS THREE IS THE MAJORITY OF OUR SIGNS ARE DEPLOYED IN THE CLASS THREE THAT'S ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.  THE CLASS FOUR SIGN DISTRICT IS SIX TWO ZONING DISTRICT SO THAT'S EFFECTIVELY THE MALL OF AMERICA AND THE SITES RIGHT AROUND THE MALL AND CLASS FIVE SIGN DISTRICT IS OUR MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT FIVE HSR BEFORE THE SITES THAT WE WANT TO GET MORE INTENSE URBAN DESIGN AND INTENSE DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE SITES SO THAT EFFECTIVELY THE FIVE DISTRICTS . ANY COMMENTS QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE OKAY THANK YOU ALL. ROOF SIGNS NEXT ROOF SIGNS ALWAYS A POPULAR TOPIC WHEN DISCUSSING SIGNAGE. SO WITH THE PROCESS IN FEBRUARY THIS ONE IS NOT IN THE THIS ONE IS NOT NEBULOUS ROOF SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY ARE PROHIBITED SIGN TYPE ROOF SIGNS TYPICALLY ELICIT PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE I THINK THE REASON BEING IS THAT THERE'S ONES THAT ESTHETICALLY LOOK VERY GOOD OR YOU KNOW LOOK A LITTLE BIT OUT OF PLACE ONE MIGHT SAY THERE'S ALSO SOME ROOF SIGNS IN THE WORLD THAT ARE SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC SIGNS THAT AND THAT'S NOT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU KNOW SOMEONE IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT THAT IN BLOOMINGTON PER SE. IT'S JUST THAT WHATEVER THE REGULATION ARE YOU CAN YOU CAN LAND IN TWO VERY DIFFERENT OUTCOMES I GUESS IS WHAT I'M ENCOURAGING OR TRYING TO COMMUNICATE.  SO ON THIS SLIDE THERE'S A FEW EXAMPLES OF ROOF SIGNS NOT UNIQUE TO BLOOMINGTON FROM OTHER SIGN CODES I'VE SEEN. BUT ONE ELEMENT THAT'S IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF WHY STAFF RECOMMENDING TO ALLOW ROOF SIGNS AND IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS AMONG STAFF THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU KNOW GOOD FAITH OR GOOD DISCUSSION RESULT IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES CERTAINLY BUT THE WAY THAT WE DEFINE ROOF SIGNS IS THAT EVEN IF THE SMALLEST PORTION OF A SIGN BUMPS UP OVER THE EDGE OF THE ROOFLINE, IT EFFECTIVELY BECOMES ROOF SIGN PER DEFINITION. AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT AGAIN BOTTOM GRAPHIC THAT IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE SIGN CODE YOU'VE GOT TWO EXAMPLES OF WHAT A ROOF SIGN LOOKS LIKE A STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO ALLOW ROOF SIGNS IF YOU WERE DO SO IF YOU SAW EXHIBIT A THE KIND OF CONCEPT CODE CHANGES THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT CAN GO ABOVE THE ROOF. YOU KNOW A LOT OF ROOF SIGNS THAT PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH ARE BILLBOARDS. OF COURSE THEY'VE BEEN ERECTED OVER TIME. BILLBOARDS ALLOWED IN BLOOMINGTON.  SO I DON'T WANT TO MIX THOSE TWO THINGS UP AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING HERE.  BUT ONE OF THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS FROM ESTHETICS ABOUT ROOF SIGNS IS THE THE SIGNIFICANT METAL BRACING TYPICALLY INVOLVED WITH IT AND SO THE TALLER THE SIGN GETS STRUCTURALLY THE LARGER THE SUPPORT BRACING THAT'S NEEDED TO SERVE IT. IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU'RE JUST KIND OF ADDING TO THE OVERALL OR YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL STRUCTURE HEIGHT ISSUES THAT CAN COME UP BY ALLOWING REAR SIGN SO STAFF WOULD TO ALLOW THEM BUT LIMIT THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THEY CAN EXCEED ABOVE THE ROOF.  AND OF COURSE WE HAVE OTHER HEIGHT STANDARDS IN THE CODE THAT REGULATE THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE AS WELL BUT THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION CERTAINLY WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT ROOF SIGNS. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT IT NOT TO BELABOR IT BUT IT'S JUST THAT THERE ARE SIMILAR TO THE ROOF INTERNAL THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMMERCIAL SITES IN BLOOMINGTON WHERE AS A FUNCTION OF JUST LIMITED STORE FRONTAGE AREA ABOVE THE STOREFRONT THE SIGN DOES GO ABOVE THE ROOFLINE EVER SO SLIGHTLY AND A COUPLE EXAMPLES AND THOSE SIGNS ARE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING CURRENTLY THEY COULD BE REPLACED BUT IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS TO US THE STAFF IN SOME YOU CAN WRITE YOU CAN'T WRITE A PERFECT ORDINANCE AND IN SOME THE ONLY EFFECTIVE PLACE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL SPEECHES ABOVE THE ROOFLINE SO.  QUESTION SO THERE THERE ARE STAND YOUR STANDARDS THAT ARE PROPOSED PART OF ADDING ROOF SIGNS OR NOT SORRY I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART. YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT SO ARE I WOULDN'T CALL THEM DESIGN STANDARDS WE ARE RECOMMENDING AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL TO ALLOW THEM A HEIGHT THAT THEY CAN EXTEND ABOVE THE ROOF. YOU COULD ADD STANDARDS TO THEM. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE BUILDING SCIENCE SECTION OF THE CODE TO HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS BY SIGN TYPE.  SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS OF INTEREST TO THE PLANNING CMISSION WE LOOK AT THAT ONE THING WE DID THINK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LIMITATIONS ON THE SCALE OR VISUAL THE SUPPORT ELEMENTS OF THE SIGN BUT ULTIMATELY WE DECIDED NOT TO INCLUDE THOSE WE WEREN'T EXACTLY WITHOUT KNOWING HOW DIFFERENT ROOF SCIENCE COULD BE SUPPORTED STRUCTURALLY WE DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT WITH SOME KIND OF DESIGN ESTHETIC STANDARDS THAT REALLY AREN'T MATCHING IN REALITY TO HOW DIFFERENT ARE ERECTED. SO WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CAUTIOUS IN THAT REGARD. I HAVEN'T  SEEN THAT IN OTHER SIGN CODES USUALLY IT'S JUST AN EFFECTIVE PROHIBITION OR THEY'RE ALLOWED BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO COMMENTS COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM SORRY IN ANOTHER FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT QUESTION PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOHNSON COULD YOU EXPLAIN LEGAL NON-CONFORMING BILLBOARDS YOU JUST MENTIONED YOUR PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM THAT BILLBOARDS ARE NOT ALLOWED IN BLOOMINGTON AND YET WE BILLBOARDS. IF YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY EXPLAIN LEGAL NON-CONFORMING BILLBOARDS. YEAH.  THANK YOU. SO ANY SIGN TYPE BILLBOARD IS A TYPE OF SIGN AND THEY'RE EFFECTIVELY PROHIBITED IN CODE. BUT IF THE SIGN WAS ERECTED BEFORE EFFECTIVE PROHIBITION WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL SIMILAR TO A STRUCTURE LIKE A HOME THAT WAS BUILT THAT INADEQUATE SETBACK OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES IT CAN CONTINUE INTO USE SO LONG AS IT ISN'T A CASUALTY OR DESTROYED AND THEN NOT REPLACED A YEAR. SO THOSE ARE STATE LAW PROVISIONS THAT DEAL WITH NON CONFORMITY AND BILLBOARDS ARE SUBJECT TO THOSE SAME RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENTS. WE DO HAVE FOUR BILLBOARDS IN BLOOMINGTON BELIEVE I THINK ONE ON 35 AND THREE AND 494 AND THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE THERE SO LONG AS THEY DON'T SIT VACANT OR GO AWAY FOR A PERIOD OF A YEAR OR MORE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN.  THANK YOU. I AM GOING TO TRY TO PUSH THIS WITH THESE PARTICULAR SIGNAGE . IS THERE GOING TO BE IS IT GOING TO FIT THE CODE FOR WHEN IT IS A LUMINARY LIGHTING?  YEAH, FAIR QUESTION. CHAIR COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN SO REGARDLESS OF THE SIGN TYPE IF IT'S A LIT SIGN IT HAS TO MEET OUR ILLUMINATIONS SO WHICH IS MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS SO THAT IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T VARY BY TYPE . IT REALLY VARIES. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ELECTRONICS THERE'S SOME SPECIAL STANDARDS THERE BUT ALL SIGNS IF THEY'RE LIT THEY'RE SUBJECT TO MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS STANDARDS. YEAH.  COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THE EXPOSURE.  MR. JOHNSON, YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE A LIMIT TO HOW HIGH ABOVE THE ROOF THIS COULD BE. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT OR THAT WOULD COME LATER WHEN THE FINAL ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED? YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOK THEN THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT IS AN EXHIBIT DAY WE SET IT AT EIGHT FEET IS WHERE WE FELT COMFORTABLE BUT DEFINITELY OPEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK.  WHAT WE AT MINIMUM WANT TO TRY AND RESOLVE IS THE SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S AN ADEQUATE BACKER OR RACEWAY WHERE THE SIGN KIND OF BLEEDS OVER THE ROOF SITUATION THAT COULD BE RESOLVED BY EFFECTIVELY AMENDING THE DEFINITION PERHAPS BUT WHERE WE WERE COMFORTABLE WAS EIGHT FEET. THERE'S NO MAGIC TO THAT NUMBER. IT'S JUST WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD PROPORTION TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL SPEECH AREA NOT GET SO TALL ABOVE THE BUILDING THAT IT WOULD BE KIND OF A POOR VISUAL OR A PROSTHETIC BUT DEFINITELY OPEN THAT I THINK I CAN SEE ARGUMENTS PROBABLY NOT TALLER BUT CERTAINLY SHORTER. COMMISSIONER FULTON AND JUST TO CLARIFY IS THAT ABOVE THE ROOF OR THE PARAPET OR WHAT IS WHAT IS THE ZERO MARK ? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT LISTED AS ABOVE THE ROOF WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY THE ROOF LINE WHICH WOULD BE PARAPET LINE BUT SO STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE A RAISED PARAPET LIKE FOUR FEET, RIGHT? WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF ROOF LINE AND OUR CODE THE WAY WE HAVE A DRAFT AND NOW IT JUST SAYS ROOF SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE PROBABLY NEED TO SHARPEN A LITTLE BIT. OKAY THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION YOU CAN'T ANSWER BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT ANYWAYS.  IS THERE ANY SORT OF APPEAL TO THIS TYPE OF SIGN? MEANING IF WE DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH ALLOWING ROOF SIGNS ARE THEN HELPING BUSINESSES BY HELP BY REDUCING THE COST OF SIGN IMPLEMENTATION OR OR IS A SIGN THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE LIKE AN INTEGRAL SIGN OR A SIGN THAT'S ON THE BUILDING FRONTAGE IS THAT ACTUALLY MORE ECONOMICAL ? ANY IDEA? YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT IT'S REALLY GOING TO VARY SITE TO SITE AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION KNOW HAVE DEDICATED RAISED SPACE WHERE THEY'RE INTENDING TO INSTALL SIGNS. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PLUG AND PLAY TYPE THING. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO INSTALL SIGNS IN THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO . WHAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO AVOID WITH THAT IS PENETRATIONS INTO THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THE SAME APPLIES TO A ROOF RIGHT AS?  YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE HOLES IN THE STRUCTURE THAN YOU HAVE TO AND SO I WOULD NOT VENTURE I'D I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT ONE IS MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE OTHER IN TERMS OF ALLOWING IT THERE'S SOME SAVINGS TO BE HAD THERE. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THERE ARE UNIQUE STRUCTURES WHERE HAVING IT EFFECTIVELY ON THE ROOF IS GOING TO BE THEIR ONLY OR MORE EFFECTIVE OPTION TO GET THEIR COMMERCIAL MESSAGE OUT.  UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT I WOULD JUST SAY AGAIN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OUTCOMES THAT YOU THINK LOOK WONDERFUL AND FANTASTIC AND PROVIDE GOOD VARIETY AND INTEREST TO DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL AREAS OF THE CITIES AND THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FEW THAT GET A RECOGNITION LIKE UH, YOU KNOW, NOT MY FAVORITE BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE ESTHETIC NATURE OF SIGN LIKE CODE REGULATION IN A PLACE WE DON'T LIKE TO LIVE IN AND AS A WORKING ON THIS STUFF BUT IT'S JUST A PART OF THE A PART OF THE DEAL EFFECTIVELY. THANK YOU.  COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS CHAIR YEAH. SO ROOF SIGNS TO ME HAVE A KIND OF AN FEEL LIKE URBAN INDUSTRIAL YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE PLACES I'VE SEEN THEM I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT MAKES SENSE ME TO HAVE THESE SIGNS IN ANY LIKE IN COMMERCIAL MAYBE MIXED USE IF YOU'VE GOT YOU KNOW FOLKS THAT ARE PUTTING TOGETHER LIKE A A LOFT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN THEN PROBABLY INDUSTRIAL WOULD MAKE SENSE BUT I DON'T KNOW I MEAN COMMERCIAL LIKE BLOOMINGTON JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE LIKE MULTI-STORY BRICK AND TIMBER OFFICE TYPE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT KIND OF FEEL, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S ALL NEW CONCRETE, LOTS OF GLASS, MORE SUBURBAN FEEL. SO JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD NOT BE A FIT.  ALL OF THE PROPOSED AREAS.  CHERYL RIGHT. IF I CAN MAKE ONE COMMENT TO THAT AND THANK YOU I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP TOO SO SIMILAR THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. COMMISSIONER COOK DOWN ON WHERE THE DIFFERENT SIDE DISTRICTS ON THIS ONE IN IN EXHIBIT A WE WERE PROPOSING ROUTE SIGNS BE PERMITTED IN THE CLASS THREE FOUR AND FIVE SIGN DISTRICTS NOT ONE AND TWO SO ONE AND TWO BEING INSTITUTIONAL AND MULTI-FAMILY ARE ROOF SIGNS NOT ALLOWED THERE BUT EFFECTIVELY ON THE COMMERCIAL SEEKS TO ALL OF AMERICA AND CLASS FIVE WHICH IS THE MIXED USE SITES SO LIMITING WHERE THEY COULD GO TO OTHER THINGS I'D KNOW TOO IS THAT I THINK WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD TWO APPLICATIONS FOR MASTER SIGN PLANS TO DO A ROOF SIGN IN BLOOMINGTON ONE IS THE AC HOTEL THERE'S LIKE A CUBE UP ON TOP OF IT THAT'S A ROOF SIGN EFFECTIVELY AND THEY USE THE MASTER SIGN PROCESS TO GAIN APPROVAL TO DO THAT.  THERE'S ONE OTHER THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT I DON'T THINK RESULTED IN OUR APPLICATION BUT IT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES OF INTEREST BY CERTAIN DEVELOPERS.  SO JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON WHERE IT'S ALLOWED AND THEN KIND OF THE HISTORY OF IT MORE RECENTLY.  OKAY.  COMMSIONER HOOTEN THINKS I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS SO LONG AS WE CAN'T DO BILLBOARDS WHICH IS THE UNDERSTANDING HERE I DON'T KNOW YOU AROUND SOUTH LOOP AND THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SIGNAGE AND WHAT I'VE LEARNED OVER TIME IS WE SHOULDN'T BE SCARED OF IT ALL HAS THESE GIANT SIGNS AND THEY LOOK GREAT. THE AC HOTEL LOOKS FINE.  YOU WOULDN'T EVEN THINK IT STANDS OUT AT ALL IF YOU DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WE DID.  SO I DON'T KNOW. I WANT US TO BE A DYNAMIC CITY THAT ALLOWS US TO DO CREATIVE THINGS AND BE DIFFERENT THAN ALL THESE OTHER SUBURBS.  SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS.  DO YOU NEED THUMBS UP? THUMBS IS THAT ONLY IF IT'S CONTENTIOUS?  I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THAT. OKAY IT MAKES SENSE ESPECIALLY IN THE DISTRICTS THAT YOU YOU OUTLINED. COMMISSIONER WHITE YEAH I, I THINK THAT IT'S GREAT TO ALLOW FOR SOME CREATIVITY AND SOME THAT MAYBE DO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO SET US APART FROM FROM OUR NEIGHBORS AND NOT JUST BLEND. BUT I SAY I ALSO APPRECIATE THE RESTRICTION POTENTIAL OF KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF EIGHT FEET IS THE RIGHT NUMBER BUT I DO THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT A BILLBOARD AND THAT'S NOT A TOWERING SIGN YOU KNOW, MAY CAUSE SOME OTHER PROBLEMS. SO I APPRECIATE HAVING THAT LIMITATION IN THERE.  ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. COMMISSIONER OGDEN SORRY AND THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND I DON'T MEAN TO DESIGN FOR YOU ALL BUT TO THE RECONSIDERATION OF IT BEING PROPORTIONAL TO THE BUILDING HEIGHT.  IF YOU LOOK AT JUST SOME OF THE VERY ICONIC SIGNS, YOU KNOW, GOLD MEDAL FLOWER AND STUFF THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY TALLER THAN EIGHT FEET AND SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE 8500 TOWER IF THEY WANTED TO PUT A 20 FOOT SIGN LIKE THIS ON TOP OF THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY I WOULD HATE TO HAVE LIMITED THAN THE EIGHT FEET SO PERHAPS SOMETHING THAT IS RELATED TO BUILDING HEIGHT MAKES A LITTLE MORE SENSE.  YEAH I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOKED IN STAFF IF A CITY 500 TOWER WANTED TO DO THAT IS THERE STILL PROVISIONS IN THE IT'S THE MASTER SIGN OVER THE AC MARRIOTT LOOPHOLE FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.  IS THERE IS THERE STILL A PROVISION FOR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES SHOULD AN OF OR DEVELOPER OF A LARGE SCALE BUILDING WANT TO EXCEED EIGHT FEET?  YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND AGAIN THE MASTER SIGN PLANS ARE CURRENTLY ONLY LIMITED TO THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT SO THE 8500 TOWER WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE TO USE THAT TOOL. THERE ARE OTHER TOOLS THEY COULD USE LIKE FLEXIBILITY OR VARIANCE BUT OF COURSE THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY AN IMPEDIMENT OR A BARRIER FOR JUST LIMITED TO SIGNAGE. USUALLY THOSE TOOLS ARE USED FOR MORE IMPACTFUL KIND OF ESSENTIAL MUST HAVES FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT YEAH SO THERE ARE TOOLS THAT ARE NOT EASY BUT I APPRECIATE THAT FEEDBACK AND I WELCOME OR I WELCOME THAT IDEA OR FEEDBACK COMMENSURATE I THINK THE PROPORTIONAL IDEA IS AN INTERESTING ONE. I THINK WE ALSO DO WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER THING I WOULD WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOU KNOW SOMETHING WHERE IT'S THE TALLES BUILDING FOUR BLOCKS AROUND IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.  YOU KNOW, NEARBY NEIGHBORS. SO IF YOU DO GO THE PROPORTIONAL ROUTE JUST THINK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALLOWING FOR THAT.  OKAY. THANK YOU.  HOPEFULLY I THINK SOME OF THESE UPCOMING ONES MIGHT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE CODE IS NOT OUR IT'S SILENT OR NOT CLEAR ABOUT SIGNS HOSTED ON FENCES NOW JUST KIND OF AT THE SURFACE KIND OF A BENIGN ISSUE NOT LIKE A MAJOR ISSUE. IT'S CERTAINLY THAT FEEDBACK IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE A STRONG PREFERENCE ABOUT THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE ABOUT HOSTING SIGNS ON OUR FENCES IS THAT SIGNS TYPICALLY GET EXCEPTION TO SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY SIGN TYPES THAT HAVE A REQUIRED SETBACK. ANY SIGN POSTED ON A FENCE TYPICALLY IS NOT COMPLYING WITH OUR SETBACK REQUIREMENT. OTHER ISSUES CAN SOMETIMES BE INVOLVED LIKE CLEAR VIEW TRIANGLE OR YOU KNOW STRUCTURAL DURABILITY OR ATTACHMENTS. SOMETIMES YOU GET WIND OR SNOW LOAD AND SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. FINALLY IT'S THE ESTHETIC I WOULD SAY THAT'S LAST IN THE LINE OF ISSUES FOR STAFF BUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE PUTTING SIGNS ON RESIDENTIAL FENCES OR COMMERCIAL FOR THAT MATTER BUT WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK.  I WOULD SAY THIS IS ONE THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. THERE'S NOT STRONG OPINIONS ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ON THE PART OF STAFF. THERE IS SOME ISSUES THAT ARISE TIME TO TIME OF SIGNS AND FENCES BUT JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD BE A PROHIBITED SIGN TYPE. I'M GUESSING THAT MOST OF THE SIGNS AND FENCES WE SEE WOULD BE FAIRLY PERMANENT AND NOT TEMPORARY SUCH THE OTHER WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LIKE A CANVAS SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT IT'S GONE WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS IS THAT RIGHT? SURE. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE SEEN BOTH.  SO WE'VE SEEN RIGID LIKE HARD PLASTICS OR OTHER TYPE METAL,  THAT KIND OF MATERIAL. BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN, YOU KNOW, VINYL BANNERS AND OTHER THINGS PUT ON FENCES, YOU KNOW, WITH TEMPORARY SIGNS. USUALLY THAT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE VERY LONG.  IT'S MORE I THINK MORE OF THE ISSUE PROBABLY PERTAINS TO PERMANENT SIGNAGE. I WOULD NOTE THAT THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE IF YOU SEE THE END OF THAT LANGUAGE THERE ON THE SLIDE IT SAYS UNLESS EXPRESSLY BY THE SIGN CODE THERE IS AN EXPRESS ALLOWANCE FOR SIGNS ON FENCES OF , CONSTRUCTION FENCING FOR THOSE TEMPORARY SIGNS THAT YOU GET THE CONTRACT OR THE ARCHITECT THE DEVELOPER BROUGHT THIS PROJECT BROUGHT TO YOU BY BECAUSE AGAIN THOSE SIGNS THE FENCE TYPICALLY IS NOT MEETING A SETBACK REQUIREMENT SO THE CODE EXPRESSLY ALLOWS THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A VER COMMON PRACTICE AMONG THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION TO ADVERTISE THESE PROJECTS.  COMMISSIONER CURRY, THANKS.  SURE. YEAH. I MEAN IN AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A SIGN LIKE THIS IF YOU KNOW FOLKS HAVE OUTDOOR STORAGE SOMETHING IT'S PROBABLY THE LEAST THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND YOU KNOW, I THINK INDUSTRIAL IN BLOOMINGTON ARE PROBABLY THE LOWEST ARE PROBABLY THE MOST YOU KNOW, ARE PROBABLY ALSO THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE FOR A BUSINESS.  RIGHT. SO IF YOU'RE BUILT IF YOU BUY INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO SPEND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A LIKE AN OFFICE PROPERTY. SO I MEAN I THINK IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING TO START A BUSINESS IN BLOOMINGTON AND GO SPEND ANOTHER $10,000 ON A SIGN, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING MORE COST EFFECTIVE LIKE THIS AND BRINGING ANOTHER BUSINESS CHAIR RELATED TO THAT POINT AND WE COULD MAKE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHETHER OR NOT TO ALLOW THESE SAME TYPES FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL SETTINGS, THAT CERTAINLY IS ONE CRITERIA THAT WE CAN MAKE. WE DO SOMETIMES SEE NONCOMMEIAL SPEECH OR OTHER HOME BUSINESS TYPE SIGNS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND SO THERE MIGHT BE AS COMMISSIONER CREWS SAYING THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS NOT NOT THE BEST USE OF OUR OXYGEN TONIGHT WE CAN ON TO AS WELL BUT JUST WANT TO RAISE IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A QUESTION.  COMMISSIONER HOUSTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. CLARIFICATION AND SO FOR A RESIDENT LIKE POLITICAL SCIENCE RESIDENTIAL THAT IS ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED?  YEAH, THEY'RE ALLOWED DURING THE ELECTION SEASON THERE'S ACTUALLY A MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE UNDER STATE LAW WHERE IT'S PRETTY UNREGULATED AND THEN POST-ELECTION PERIOD THE CURRENT SIGN CODE I THINK ALLOWS THREE NONCOMMERCIAL SPEECH SIGNS BUT THEY'RE SMALLER AND THERE'S A SETBACK PER RESIDENTIAL BUT THE CODE IS SILENT ON WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE ON OFFENSE OR NOT. BASICALLY.  ALL RIGHT, THUMBS UP. GO FORWARD WITH THAT. DOES THAT SENSE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL AS COMMISSIONER KAREEM MAY HAVE MENTIONED?  OKAY. WELL, KEEP MOVING.  KEEP MOVING ON. OKAY MR. CHARADE OKAY GOOD EVENING. I'LL ONLY PRESENT ON THE NEXT THREE SLIDES. THE FIRST SLIDE IS GOING TO BE ITEM NUMBER SIX WHICH IS DIRECTIONAL AND INCIDENTAL SIGN SIZE OF THE CURRENT IS THAT ALL MAJOR FREEWAYS ARE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES ROADWAYS DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ARE ONLY LIMITED TO EIGHT SQUARE FEET SO THIS COULD BE IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO THE SIGN SO OUR OUR PROPOSAL STAFF RECOMMENDS INCREASING THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE SIGN SIZE TO 12 SQUARE FEET. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM IF I CAN ADD ONE THING TO THAT TO IS JUST THAT INCIDENTAL AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNS MOUED ON BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY ALLOWED TO BE 12 SQUARE FEET SO IT'S WHEN THEY'RE FREESTANDING THAT THEY'RE LIMITED TO EIGHT CURRENTLY AND SO THIS WOULD MAKE THAT STANDARD UNIFORM.  COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.  MR. JONES SORT OF WEIRD COMPLAINTS OR REQUESTS FROM BUILDING OWNERS FOR THIS.  WE HAVE HAD SOME SETBACK VARIANCES IN PAST.  I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TYPICALLY TO WORK WITH OUR SIZE RESTRICTIONS BUT ONE THING THAT I THINK STAFF HAS OBSERVED IS THAT EIGHT SQUARE FEET WORKS FOR I THINK A GOOD PROPORTION OF THE SCENARIOS .  IT'S AS CORY MENTIONED WHEN YOU GET HIGHER VOLUME ROADWAYS OR YOU HAVE TRUCK TRAFFIC SO ON SOME INDUSTRIAL SITES THAT HAVE A LOT OF TRUCKS IN AND WHERE THEY'RE HIGHER UP IN THE CAB SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO. SEE THOSE SIGNS? THEY'RE ALSO LIMITED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT I BELIEVE IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. SO JUST ONE THOUGHT WE HAD RELATED TO ENSURE VISIBILITY IS JUST BUMP AT UP TO 12. IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN SIGN AREA BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES.  RIGHT IN WORKING WITH THE SIGN MANUFACTURERS I NOTICED THAT ON ON A LOT OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND ROADWAYS SUCH AS TO HAVE HIGH TRAFFIC THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT THEY PREFER TO BE HIGHER TO SQUARE FEET.  COMMISSIONER COOKSON I'M NOT GOING TO DIE ON THE HILL FOR THIS BUT I DON'T REALLY LIKE IT I DON'T KNOW LIKE THEY'RE THEY'RE DIRECTIONAL AND SO BY NATURE YOU SHOULD BE DRIVING PRETTY SLOW AND NAVIGATING YOUR WAY AROUND SO IF EIGHT FEET IS PRETTY MUCH WORKING I AND I'M NOT SUPER INCLINED TO OVER SIGN OR CITY WITH DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE I DON'T KNOW  COMMISSIONER I THINK SURE YEAH I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT NICK SEEN MAKES SENSE SO IT'S TOUGH TO SEE SIGNS YOU GOT TO MAKE BIGGER AND I DON'T THINK 12 IT'S THAT BIG I AM MORE INCLINED IN INDUSTRIAL LIKE I APPRECIATE THE SEMI IS HAVING A HARDER TIME WITH THE SMALL SIDES BUT LIKE THIS GOOD REAL SIGN RIGHT HERE IS FINE TO ME I HAVE MISSED THIS GOOD MOST OR SO I'VE ALSO MISSED THE CLOVER CENTER SIGN.  I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THE TURN IN SO I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL HAVE A FACELIFT AS WELL BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE COMMISSIONER WHITE, I'M CURIOUS IF THIS AND I WAS IN THE KNOW TOO I DIDN'T SEE IT IS IN ALL AREAS OR JUST IN THE CERTAIN ZONES THAT YOU WOULD BE DOING THIS AND I YOU JUST SAID SORT OF INDUSTRIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL YOU KNOW CHAIR COMMISSIONER WHAT'S OUR DIRECTION IN SEATTLE SIGNS KAREEM'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL THAT WOULD SET A DIFFERENT STANDARD SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT FOR THESE STANDARDS THIS IS THE BASELINE EVERYWHERE. OKAY. YEAH. SO I MEAN ON SOME PARK SITES FOR EXAMPLE THERE'S DIRECTIONAL SIGNS OR CITY FACILITY TYPE SITES. THERE'S SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. WE HAVE SOME HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA AND CERTAIN AREAS SO PRETTY COMMON PRETTY MUCH INSTITUTIONAL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SITES AND TEND TO HAVE THESE KIND OF SIGNS YEAH I MEAN I'M CHAIR I THINK YOU KNOW AM OF TWO MINDS I MEAN I DEFINITELY SEE THE CITY GETS BUSIER AS THERE'S MORE AREAS WHERE THERE'S MORE AND THERE'S MORE THINGS TO PAY ATTENTION TO. I AM AS SOMEONE WHO ALSO IS YOU KNOW EASILY DISTRACTED I UNDERSTAND THE APPEAL OF THE LARGER SIGN BUT I ALSO FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE THE SAME AREAS WHERE YOU JUST KEEP ADDING MORE AND MORE BIGGER SIGNS. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SOLVE THE PROBLEM SO I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE GOODWILL AND IT'S I THINK IT'S MORE OF A HEIGHT ISSUE BECAUSE OF THE BUSH AND THE AND THEN IT IS A SIZE OF THE SIGN NECESSARILY SO THAT WOULD BE MY ON THIS PARTICULAR SIGN SO I THINK THERE IS DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE SOME VARIATION AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING SOME I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER I BUT I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S EASIER TO JUST SAY WELL JUST MAKE A BIGGER BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WILL SOLVE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE SO AGAIN NOT GOING TO DIE ON THAT HILL BUT ANY OTHER THOUGHTS?  A SPLIT VOTE THERE.  OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO TWIST THE BALANCE OR THROW ONE DIRECTION? MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU, CHAIR. I AGREE WITH CHAIR ALBRECHT AND COMMISSIONER CURRIE IT'S FOUR SQUARE FEET BUT YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT MAKE AN EVEN BIGGER I THINK FOR NOW IT'S A IT'S A GOOD INCREMENTAL CHANGE IN THE NAME OF SAFETY AND VISIBILITY. AND CHERYL BURKE ONE ONE CAVEAT OR ONE THING I'LL ADD JUST FOR AWARENESS IS THAT THERE IS LIMITATIONS AROUND COMMERCIAL LOGOS ON DIRECTIONAL SIGNS SO WE DO LIMIT THAT UNIDIRECTIONAL.  RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT ONE ITEM SEVEN ITEM SEVEN IS SIMILAR TO ITEM NUMBER SIX OR LARGE DIRECTIONAL SIZING CLASS FOUR SIGN DISTRICT IS IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE MALL OF AMERICA SO UNIFORM DIRECTIONAL AND INCIDENTAL SIGNS AND ALL DISTRICT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THIS ONE SPECIFIC DISTRICT SO WE ARE STAFF IS PROPOSING TO INCREASE IN THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED TIME SIZE FROM 12 SQUARE FEET TO 20 SQUARE FEET TO ENHANCE VISIBILITY FOR VISITORS WHO ARE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN. SO POPULAR THE DESTINATION WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATELY SO THEY COULD BE SEEN.  ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT MALL BLEND MIGHT MAYBE KNOWS THE NUMBER OF VISITORS THAT GO TO THE MALL ON AN ANNUAL BASIS BUT IT'S A BIT MORE THAN MOST SITES IN BLOOMINGTON AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT INVOLVES A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN THERE BEFORE. THERE'S A LOT OF FIRST, SECOND, THIRD TIME VISITORS TO THAT SITE AND SO WHEN WE WERE THINKING THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, IT JUST MADE TO US THAT SOME OF THIS DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE MIGHT NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER FOR A DESTINATION LIKE THE MALL OF AMERICA AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT CONTEMPLATED AROUND THE MALL. SO THAT WAS THE THINKING HERE . THOUGHTS, FEEDBACK, QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER OAKTON YEAH I LIKE IT STIRRED BEFORE WE'VE TRIED STUFF AT THE MALL I THINK IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS I WOULD CONSIDER THIS MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FIRST TIME VISITORS TO THE MALL OF AMERICA CAN ATTEST TO THAT ATTEST TO THAT THE YES FOR DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE IN THAT AREA WOULD BE FANTASTIC.  OKAY. THANK YOU.  OKAY. SWITCHING GEARS FROM DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, TEMPORARY SIGNS WITH FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LEASING.  THE CURRENT ALLOTMENT IS 64 SQUARE FEET FOR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LEASE SIZE. SO WHEN NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDING IS ERECTED THEY WANT TO ADVERTISE THIS AS.  THE ALLOTMENT IS ONLY FOR 64 SQUARE FEET. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO INCREASE IT TO 100 SQUARE FEET TO AGAIN ENHANCE VISIBILITY PEOPLE WALKING BY JUST TO SUPPORT COMMUNICATION LEASE UPS JUST TO SUPPORT BUSINESS AT HAND. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS YOU KNOW, JUST I MEAN THIS THIS ALLOWANCE WAS CREATED A FEW YEARS BACK I THINK THROUGH MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE AT ONE POINT AND I THINK WHAT WE FOUND BUILDING MORE MULTIFAMILY SITES IS THAT THE LEASE UP PERIOD IS, THE MORE SENSITIVE PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE BUILDINGS AND SO THEY'RE ALL MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS OF COURSE HAVE A UNIT VACANT HERE THERE AND THEY HAVE FOR RENT SIGNS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SIGN IS. THIS IS A SPECIAL ABOVE AND BEYOND ALLOWANCE THAT'S JUST FOR THE LEASE UP PERIOD TWO YEARS POST ZERO AND SO THE NEW SIGN CODE MADE SOME CHANGES TO REDUCE THAT SIZE DOWN TO 64. WE THINK WE WERE IN PROBABLY THE RIGHT SPOT AT 200 SQUARE FEET SO THAT'S THE BASICS OF IT.  COMMISSIONER GUPTA, THANK YOU . MR. SHAW AND MR. JOHNSON, HE TALKED MORE ABOUT WHAT IS THE LEASE UP PERIOD AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING AFTER THE LEASE UP IS COMPLETE THE SIGN WAS COME DOWN.  YEAH. SO IT'S NOT A CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOK DOWN.  IT'S NOT THAT ONCE THE BUILDING IS FULLY LEASED HAS TO COME DOWN IT'S A IT'S A TIME IT'S A SHOT CLOCK SO YOU ONCE CBO IS ISSUED THAT GRANTS THEM TWO YEARS TO THIS SIGN EFFECTIVELY.  YEAH IT'S A TWO YEAR PERIOD POSSIBLE CAN STOP BY MY CHAIR AFTER THE MEETING I'M SURE I CERTAINLY CAN.  COMMISSIONER WHITE THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. SO JUST TO CLARIFY IT'S 100 IT WOULD BE 100 SQUARE FEET REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING OR THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR IT'S NOT IN ANY WAY PROPORTIONAL IT'S JUST 100 SQUARE FEET.  YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER WHITE THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS THAT IS LIMITED TO MULTIFAMILY IF YOU'RE DOING A TOWNHOME PROJECT OR ANOTHER TYPE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING IT WOULDN'T BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT BUT SO MULTIFAMILY ONLY BUT YES IT'S NOT THERE'S NO BUILDING HEIGHT OR NUMBER OF STORIES OR OBVIOUSLY A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IS MORE USEFUL FOR A LARGER BUILDING AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THE DIFFICULTY WE'VE RUN INTO WITH IT. THE REASON BRING UP IT JUST SEEMED FOR SOME OF THESE LARGER BUILDINGS YOU KNOW SOME OF THE NEW BUILDS AND SOME OF THE LARGER COMPLEXES I IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT MUCH SO I WOULD SUPPORT THE INCREASE. MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR . COMMISSIONER WHITE THERE PROBABLY WILL ALSO PUT LEASING SIGNAGE AS PART OF THEIR SIGNAGE ON THEIR CONSTRUCTION FENCE AS WELL. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS SO LONG AS THE TWO YEAR SHOT CLOCK IS IN EFFECT.  I'VE I'VE I'VE COMING FROM A GENERAL CONTRACTING BACKGROUND I'VE SCREWED THESE LEASING SIGNS INTO BRICK THEIR UP FOR MANY MANY YEARS AND THEY I THINK THEY SHOULD COME AT A TIME. THANK YOU. NO THANKS FOR THAT FEEDBACK AND THAT IS GOOD FEEDBACK FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE BEING COMPLIANT ON THESE ISSUES. COMMISSIONER HOOK IS THERE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF THESE CAN THERE'S A ONE PER SIDE OR. WHAT'S THE.  YEAH CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN I BELIEVE IT'S ONLY ONE PER ELEVATION I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT I CERTAINLY CAN LOOK AGAIN BUT IT IS LIMITED TO BUILDING SIGNS ONLY IT'S ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED AS A FREESTANDING SIGN TYPE IT HAS TO BE MOUNTED ON THE BUILDING AND.  I BELIEVE IT'S ONE FOR ELEVATION BUT I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU.  JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON REQUESTS. HAVE WE GOTTEN A LOT OF REQUESTS TO INCREASE FROM CHAIR COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR ALBERT?  YES, I THINK PREDATING WHEN WE ADDED THIS ORIGINALLY THE CODE SOME YEARS AGO THERE WAS A LOT OF INTEREST ON PART OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPERS SINCE THEN A LITTLE BIT LESS WE'VE HAD LESS GRANT YOU KNOW LESS NEW OPENINGS MORE RECENTLY ADRS ONE THAT DID JUST OPEN MORE RECENTLY BUT I CONTINUE TO ANTICIPATE THAT THESE TYPES OF SIGNS WILL BE REQUESTED. UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THEM THEM WITHOUT FORMAL APPROVAL FROM TIME TO TIME WE HAVE RUN INTO THOSE ISSUES HERE AND THERE BUT FOR THE MOST PART HAVE DECENT AMOUNT OF COMPLIANCE.  THE TIME ISSUE NOTWITHSTANDING . COMMISSIONER FULTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MR. JOHNSON. I AM I IMAGINE THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM A COMMERCIAL BUILDING WITH A NOW LEASING MESSAGING.  YEAH. CHAIR SO CHAIR COMMISSIONER KOKTAN.  SO WE HAVE THE REAL ESTATE TEMPORARY SIGNS OF A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL USE AND COMMERCIAL USE.  THOSE ARE QUITE SIMILAR. THIS IS SOMETHING SEPARATE AND DISTINCT THAT SO THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BUT YES THERE ARE TEMPORARY ALLOWANCES FOR NOW LEASING AND FOR OUR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND OFFICE PROPERTIES. OKAY. YEP.  ITEM NINE SO THIS ONE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THIS IS MORE OF JUST RESOLVING A STAFF INTERPRETATION ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BUGGING US FOR SOME TIME.  WHEN YOU HAVE A FREESTANDING SIGN AT THE CORNER AND YOUR CODE IS PREMISED YOU GET ONE SIGN FOR PUBLIC STREET FRONTAGE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD A SIGN RIGHT TO THE SAY ON THIS SLIDE TO THE EAST THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SOUTHWEST CORNER I TRY NOT TO PICK BLOOMINGTON LOCATIONS AS MUCH AS I CAN FOR THE RECORD BUT THIS IS FRANCIS MINNESOTA CENTER. OF COURSE THEIR SIGN IS ORIENTED AT THE CORNER. SO WHICH STREET FRONTAGE ARE YOU ATTRIBUTING THAT SIGN TO SAY THEY WANT TO ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NEARBY ALONG ONE OF THOSE FRONTAGES. TYPICALLY WE HAVE ALLOWED THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CHOOSE WHICH FRONTAGE THAT SIGN COUNT TOWARDS. WHAT THIS PROPOSED CHANGES IS EFFECTIVELY THAT STAFF INTERPRETATION AND APPROACH THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED FOR YEARS AND YEARS. SO IT'S REALLY JUST CLARIFYING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A SIGN DIRECTED AT THE CORNER AT THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN CHOOSE WHICH FRONTAGE THAT COUNTS TOWARDS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE. THIS ONE IS A SIMPLE CLARIFICATION CLERICAL CHANGE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IS NO LONGER THE DESIGNATED AUTHORITY FOR THIS DECISION POST ORGANIZATIONAL RESTRUCTURE SO WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH IS FREESTANDING SIGNS LOCATED ON A PUBLIC EASEMENT SIGNS CAN'T BE ON AN EASEMENT UNLESS THEY GET PERMISSION FROM WORKS AND THE CITY ENGINEER CURRENTLY MAKES THAT DECISION. SO THIS IS JUST A EFFECTIVELY ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE OKAY IMPLEMENT A NICE GARDEN CREAM. OKAY BLOOMINGTON NICE GARDEN IS A HIGH USAGE FACILITY AND OTHER HIGH USE FACILITIES AND DESTINATIONS THEY HAVE HIRES,  THEY HAVE SPECIAL SIGN ALLOWANCES SO FACILITIES SUCH THE KENNEDY, JEFFERSON AND PLAY FIELDS LET'S SAY BUSH LAKE BEACH, DRED SCOTT, PLAYFIELD THEY HAVE SOME SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ALLOW FOR A GREATER MAXIMUM SIGN SIZE HEIGHT AND THE NUMBER OF FREESTANDING SIGNS SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE INCLUDE THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GOT INSIDE AS A HIGH USAGE FACILITY SO THAT IT COULD BE FOR UNDER THOSE THE SAME GUIDELINES AS THOSE OTHER HIGH USAGE SITES YEAH JUST ONE LITTLE ADD HERE IS JUST THAT AGAIN ALL THESE SITES ARE ZONED R ONE SO THEY'RE SUBJECT TO PRETTY STRICT MONUMENT SIGN STANDARDS. IT'S JUST LIKE ALL OF OUR CITY PARKS 40 SQUARE FEET IS THE MAXIMUM IF YOU DON'T CREATE THIS KIND OF EXCEPTION FOR THESE MORE REGIONAL FACILITIES AND NATURE, THE ONES THAT GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING TO THEM IN EFFECT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THAT SAME 40 SQUARE FEET WHICH DOESN'T WORK FOR A PROPERTY LIKE BLOOMINGTON NICE GARDEN. SO THIS IS ALREADY A ADOPTED APPROACH IN THE CODE OF CREATING THESE EXCEPTIONS. IT'S REALLY ADDING BIG TO THAT LIST OF FACILITIES THAT WE THINK IS MORE REGIONAL IN NATURE.  ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE?  COMMISSIONER ACTON JUST THINKING A LOT MORE I'M SURE DO WE RUN ANY RISK HERE THAT IF THE A'S GARDEN WERE EVER TO BE GET TO GET A SPONSORSHIP LIKE A NAMING RIGHTS AFTER WE DO THE BIG RENOVATION WE HAVE A BIG ADVERTISEMENT. HERE'S WHAT'S THE THE DAIRY QUEEN ICE GARDEN AND ALSO WE'VE ALLOWED A HUGE SIGN ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO BE OKAY WITH THAT CHAIR COMMISSIONER KIRKLAND I MIGHT SEEK SUPPORT FROM LEGAL ON THIS ONE BUT MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS THAT UNLESS IT IS THE FORMAL NAME OF THE FACILITY IT WOULD OFFSITE ADVERTISING AND BE PROHIBITED. SO I THINK IN ORDER TO ALLOW ARRANGEMENT LIKE THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE FORMAL NAME OF THE FACILITY TO BE ON THE EXTERIOR OR FREESTANDING SIGN BUT THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION AN ON THE FLY BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN STUDY OR PAY ATTENTION TO AS AS GOING FORWARD I GUESS IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO PAY US THAN THE SPACE SO WELL I'M I'M CURIOUS THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THE IS THAT THE TURRELL PLAY FIELDS BLOOMINGTON I MEAN THAT SIGN IS ARCH MUCH LARGER THAN 40 SQUARE FEET THAT'S TRUE IN THE SAME BECAUSE THEY'RE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NAMING RIGHTS YEAH IT DEPENDS CHAIR ALBRECHT I BELIEVE SIGNS ARE IN THE OUTFIELD ALONG THE FENCE THERE SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR PLAY FIELD SIGNAGE SCOREBOARD AND FIELD SIGNAGE THAT'S INTERNALLY FACING BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THERE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT AS A GOOD EXAMPLE WE COULD LOOK AT IT WITH LEGAL AND SEE SEE HOW THAT WORKS FROM A COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT WITH OFFSITE ADVERTISING.  ALL RIGHT. GOOD QUESTION .  THIS ONE ITEM NUMBER 12 WE'RE GETTING THERE THERE'S 16 WE'RE ON THE ROAD HERE BUT ITEM NUMBER 12 IS BASICALLY IN OUR CLASS TWO SIGN DISTRICT WHICH IS OUR MULTIFAMILY. YOU'RE ALLOWED THREE BUILDING SIGNS PER ELEVATION. IT'S A PRETTY LIMITED ALLOWANCE. IT'S NOT A LOT OF SQUARE BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED THREE PER ELEVATION AND TYPICALLY WHAT THEY MIGHT DO IS THEY MIGHT HAVE ONE SIGN UP HIGHER ON THE BUILDING BUT THEY ALSO PROBABLY HAVE A SIGN NEAR THE BUILDING ENTRANCE. SO WE SEE IT PRETTY COMMON THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE THE MIXED ZONING DISTRICTS CLASS FIVE SIGN DISTRICT ACTUALLY STILL ONLY ALLOWS ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THIS. I COULD HAVE PICKED A BETTER PICTURE FORGIVE ME BUT THIS IS GENESEE. THEY HAVE ONLY ONE SIGN ON THEIR ELEVATION THERE BE THEIR EASTERN ELEVATION OR MAYBE THAT'S FACING A LITTLE DIAGONAL BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT WE AS A STAFF THINK THAT THE SAME SHAPE APPLY IN OUR OTHER MULTI-FAMILY SITES IF IT'S MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE ALLOWED THREE SIGNS PER BUILDING ELEVATION SO HOPEFULLY THAT ONE'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OR SOME THE NUMBER NOT THE AREA THUMBS UP.  OKAY. THANK YOU .  SIGNS ON TALL BUILDINGS. OKAY. THIS IS THE NUMBER OF BUILDING SIZE ON TALL BUILDINGS SO THE CURRENT ALLOWANCE IS DOWN FOR PER ELEVATION ALLOWED ONE SIGN PER BUILDING SO VERY TALL BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN OUR STAFF RECOMMENDS INCREASING THAT FROM 1 TO 2 SITES MAYBE UP TO THREE ON THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE STRUGGLING COMMERCIAL SECTOR AND JUST TO ALLOW FOR MORE ADVERTISING. SO NAMING RIGHTS I THINK DAIRY QUEEN FOR EXAMPLE HAS THEY HAVE THEIR LOGO HERE BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER WITHIN THAT BUILDING WE ARE ENCOURAGING FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIR STATE LOGO ON THAT ELEVATION AS WELL . YEAH I MEAN THIS IS ONE THAT I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PHONE WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ABOUT IS THAT AND I THINK IS MORE OF A CIVIL MATTER.  I MEAN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE I THINK WHO THE ANCHOR TENANT IS THAT BUILDING IS LIKE THIS ONE IS ALWAYS A IS ALWAYS A STRONG NEGOTIATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY STRONG BRAND FORWARD AND PROMINENT SIGNAGE AT THESE TYPES OF SITES. BUT I GUESS FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW WHY LIMIT SIGNS UP AT THE TOP IS THAT THEY'RE SO HIGHLY VISIBLE AND CAN BE SO LARGE THAT IF YOU HAD IT ON REGULATED IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER THERE COULD BE A LOT OF VISUAL CLUTTER UP THERE. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ONE AND THAT MIRROR MATCHES THE PREVIOUS APPROACH OF THE PREVIOUS SIGN CODE I GUESS I'M THINKING ON IT AND WORKING THROUGH VARIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES STAFF NOT OPPOSE INCREASING THAT TO TWO PER ELEVATION MAYBE EVEN THREE THREE OR PROBABLY EXCEEDING WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE BUT WE THINK TO UM WOULD LIKELY BE OKAY BUT THAT'S JUST OUR PERSPECTIVE. WELCOME YOURS RIGHT NOW IT'S LIMITED TO ONE PER ELEVATION AT THESE TALL OFFICE BUILDINGS . COMMISSIONER CURRY THANK YOU CHAIR. AND SO JUST TO CONFIRM ELEVATION IS LIKE JUST A WALL . OKAY. EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE AND ON THIS THIS IS ACTUALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT'S NORTH ONE CENTER ON THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SLIDE AND THAT BUILDING ACTUALLY HAS IT HAS A IT'S NOT A RECTANGLE. IT HAS A MORE UNIQUE FOOTPRINT YOU COULD SAY. AND SO THAT AREA CIRCLED IN RED IS TECHNICALLY PART OF THE NORTHERN ELEVATION FACING FOR 94 BUT THE SIGN IS IN THE MIDDLE PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT EXTENDS CLOSER 494. YOU WOULDN'T THINK OF OR IT WOULDN'T JUST JUMP AFTER YOU THAT THAT'S ALL JUST THE NORTH ELEVATION BECAUSE IT'S STAGGERED.  BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN THE IN EFFECT WOULD LIMITED TO JUST ONE SIGN ON THAT WHOLE NORTHERN ELEVATION.  HMM. THAT'S INTERESTING. TO BE HONEST, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE 494 CORRIDOR IS DOING JUST FINE IN TERMS OF OFFICE OCCUPANCY.  MM HMM. SO I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S HARD TO FIND SPACE TO BE HONEST, BUT MAYBE MAYBE I IN MISSING SOMETHING. I MEAN, I GUESS I WOULD I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME. YEAH, I JUST AGAIN THE BROUGHT IT UP IN A PREVIOUS MEETING AND THINK BACK TO WHAT'S TO AS THE NASCAR BUILDING IN PLYMOUTH BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY SIGNS AND GIVEN THE NUMBER OF OFFICE BUILDINGS WE HAVE ON FOR 94 I COULD IMAGINE JUST SIGNS ON SIGNS ON SIGNS.  SO I THINK YOU KNOW, ONE PER ONE PER ELEVATION IS GOOD TO MAYBE I DON'T KNOW DEFINITELY NOT THREE THOUGH. SO MR. WHITE.  THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE WHEN YOU ALL DID THE SIGN ZONE RULES. WHAT'S THE RESTRICTION IN TERMS OF THE OF THE SIGNAGE ON THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS?  YEAH. THANK YOU, CHAIR. COMMISSIONER WHITE. SO SIMILAR TO OUR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS IT'S BASED ON THEIR BUILDING FRONTAGE AND SO BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL USE TYPES, IT'S NOT JUST THE MOST SIGN DISTRICTS HAVE 1.25 SQUARE FEET PER LINEAL FOOT OF BUILDING FRONTAGE AND THEN AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF SIGNS FOR THESE OFFICE TOWERS IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.  THEY GET A HIGHER RATIO, THEY GET TWO SQUARE FEET PER LINEAL FOOT BUILDING FRONTAGE. BUT ABOVE THE SECOND STORY OF THE BUILDING THEY'RE LIMITED TO ONE SIGN PER ELEVATION BELOW THE SECOND STORY OR BELOW THEY CAN HAVE MORE BUILDING SIGNS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THERE'S A MIXED USE OR RETAIL PRESENCE ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF SOME OF THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS.  THAT'S THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO INCREASE THE SIZE. THE REASON THAT THE RATIO IS HIGHER IS BECAUSE WHEN THE SIGNS ARE TALLER HIGHER UP ON THE BUILDING IT MAY APPEAR SMALL BUT IN ACTUALITY IT'S A IT'S STILL VERY LARGE FROM A SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDPOINT IT'S JUST THE SCALE FROM BEING SO FAR AWAY. SO HAVE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, ON THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OFTEN 200, 300 PLUS SQUARE FEET IN SIZE AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO INCREASE THAT COMPONENT OF IT. IT'S REALLY A NUMBERS GAME AND YOU KNOW, THESE BUILDINGS THESE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE IF . THEY MADE ANY CHANGES IN EFFECT. THANK.  I WOULD JUST SAY I I SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CLUTTER BUT I DON'T THINK TO SEEMS UNREASONABLE. I THINK PARTICULARLY THE SIZE OF THESE BUILDINGS AND WITH THE YOU KNOW WITH OF THESE BUILDINGS WHERE IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR A SECOND SIGN, YOU KNOW, THINK BUILDINGS SHORTER BUILDINGS HAVE A LOT MORE SIGNS ON THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE DIRECTIONAL, YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND THE BUSINESS THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THESE BIGGER BUILDINGS TYPICALLY. BUT I DO THINK THAT TOO DOESN'T SEEM OUT OF LINE TO ME . MR. CUNNINGHAM I AGREE WITH WITH TOO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW EXCUSE ME AN OWNER OF A BUILDING DOESN'T NEED TO PUT A SECOND SIGN UP BUT SOME MIGHT WANT TO AND YOU KNOW THEY CAN KINDF LET THE FREE MARKET DECIDE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN GET A RENT PREMIUM FOR OR THAT WILL HELP. I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER CURRY SAID THAT THE OFFICE SECTOR ALONG 494 IS NOT NECESSARILY BUT IT'S KIND OF A MICRO ENVIRONMENT OF AN OVERALL OFFICE CRISIS IN THE STATE. SO IF IF I CAN DO SOME HELP I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT DOES TOO MUCH HARM.  COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS CHAIR.  I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO REVERT BACK TO JUST THINKING ONE IS THE WAY TO GO. I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE STRUGGLING I THINK ARE MOST LIKE CLASS B BUILDINGS WHICH ARE LIKE TYPICALLY SHORTER. SO THE TALLER BUILDINGS TYPICALLY BEING CLASS A AND SHAPE. I MEAN I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK YOU WANT MULTIPLE SIGNS ON EVERY ELEVATION OF THE NORMANDY HILL OFFICE BUILDINGS YOU KNOW SO I THINK THAT JUST KIND OF TAKES IT DOWN A NOTCH SO I'D MY RECOMMENDATION IS JUST TO STICK WITH ONE.  COMMISSIONER HOOTEN I ALSO PREFER TO STAY WITH ONE. I THINK IT'S VISUAL CLUTTER AND I THINK ONE'S ENOUGH AND I BELIEVE ME I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S A STRUGGLING OFFICE OUT THERE BUT EVENTUALLY THAT'S GOING TO CORRECT ITSELF WHETHER PEOPLE COME BACK TO THE OFFICE A LITTLE BIT OR IT'S JUST THE EXPANSION OF BUSINESS AND THESE BUILDINGS WILL FILL UP EVENTUALLY AND THEN WE'VE MADE A DECISION THAT THERE'S TWO SIDES ON EVERY BUILDING AND 15 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN ALL THESE OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE FULL AGAIN OR TEN YEARS FROM NOW WHATEVER AND WE'VE STUCK OURSELVES WITH TWO SIDES ON EVERY FACADE. AND SO LIKE THIS DAIRY QUEEN BUILDING ON THE FRONT LIKE OKAY SURE THERE'S ONLY ONE ON THIS LARGE BROAD SIDE HERE BUT THAT SHORT SKINNY SIDE THAT'S ON 90 DEGREES WHERE WE'RE GOOD WITH TWO ON THAT SIDE THERE PROBABLY WE'VE STAGNANT LIKE I JUST THINK IT'S VISUAL CLUTTER AND I'M UNSUPPORTIVE OF IT. ONE IS ENOUGH FOR ME. MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU, CHAIR.  I FORGOT THAT PER ELEVATION I RESCIND MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS. I AM ALSO IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT AS ONE SIGN FOR ELEVATION SO I KIND OF GO THE OPPOSITE WAY BUT I'M OUTNUMBERED SO.  I WOULD SAY TWO OR THREE IS JUST FINE. I THINK IT'S PEOPLE USE THAT TYPE OF SIGN SIGNAGE FOR DIRECTIONAL PURPOSES.  I KNOW THAT THAT'S AND THAT'S VERY APPEALING TO WHATEVER THAT BUSINESS IS AND IF WE CAN GET BUSINESSES TO LOCATE IN BLOOMINGTON BECAUSE OF THIS APPEAL, I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT .  SO MAYBE I'M HEAD COUNTING A LITTLE BIT MAYBE THAT ON A SPLIT ON THAT ONE WAS A SPLIT. OKAY.  UH, SOUNDS GOOD.  UM, PERMANENT SOUND CONSTRUCTIONS SCREAM. WE'RE ALMOST THERE AS WERE THE LAST TWO ARE REALLY QUICK SO.  THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS WITHIN THAT. DO YOU IN A SIGN CALLED OUR PRECLUDE LIGHTWEIGHT FABRIC OR MATERIAL AKIN TO TEMPORARY BANNERS TO USE FOR THIS TYPE OF OUTSIDE TYPE TO BE USED A PERMANENT SIGN SO WHAT WE RECOMMEND IS THAT PERMANENT SIGNS BE CONSTRUCTED OF DURABLE AND RIGID MATERIALS RATHER THAN IN OUR OPINION SOMETHING THAT'S FLIMSY AND NOT MADE WITHSTAND THE ELEMENTS.  YEAH CREAM SUMMARIZES WELL RIGHT NOW THE CODE IS SILENT. WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY SPECIFY EXACT MATERIALS YOU HAVE TO USE BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO HAVE CREATIVITY WHATNOT.  BUT THE ONE CONCERN I GUESS WE HAVE IS JUST WIND LOAD, SNOW LOAD, DURABILITY.  THESE TYPES OF MATERIALS ARE DEFINITELY MORE THAN APPROPRIATE AND THE RIGHT THING FOR GRAND OPENINGS AND FOR MORE TEMPORARY USE BUT WE JUST THINK FOR PERMANENT USE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS COMPOSITE AND OTHER THINGS CAN BE DONE IN AN AFFORDABLE AND CLEAN AND EFFECTIVE WAY.  SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT IDEAL TO CONTINUE ANALOGY HERE. WELL WE WANT TO DIANE BUT BUT WE JUST THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT THAT THE CODICIL WENT OUT ALL RIGHT NOW PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR PLACES LIKE MALIBU.  WELL WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT WEATHER HERE.  ANY THOUGHTS?  OKAY. SOUNDS TO ME THE LAST ONES ARE JUST CLEAN UP. SO FOLLOWING THE STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU RECALL A LOT OF NEW APPLICATION TYPES WERE GRANTED TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO APPROVE MASTER SIGN PLAN WAS NOT OF THEM WAS NOT ONE WE CONTEMPLATED AT THAT TIME WE THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONSERVATOR EFFECTIVE ROLE TO MAKE A FINAL APPROVAL OF THOSE APPLICATION TYPES SO THE LANGUAGE YOU'RE SEEING ON SCREEN VERY MUCH MIRRORS THAT OF OTHER APPLICATION TYPES WHERE WE MOVE THE APPROVAL TO THE PNNING COMMISSION SUBJECT TO AN APPEAL IF THERE A TIE VOTE AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENT AFFIRMATIVE OR NEGATIVE ACTION THAN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THIS JUST MIRRORS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS SET UP ON OTHER APPLICATION TYPES FROM THE STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE SO SHIFTING THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION,  ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE?  PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. OKAY.  AND THIS LAST ONE IS JUST A CLEANUP. IT'S RIGHT NOW IN OUR VIDEO STANDARDS IT SAYS THE SIGNS HAVE TO MEET TRAFFIC SAFETY STANDARDS BUT IT DOESN'T SAY GETS TO MAKE THAT CALL. SO WE JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND EXPLICIT THAT IT'S THE CITY ENGINEER WHO MAKES THAT CALL SO PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD CLEANUP I THINK ANY LAST QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ONE? THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE AS WE THROUGH THOSE WE DID TALK ABOUT ADDITIONAL BUILDING SIGNS FOR SECOND STORY RETAIL THAT WAS SOMETHING KAY BROUGHT UP IN THEIR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AS PART OF THIS WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SCENARIOS WHERE OUR BUILDINGS SIGN FRONTAGE ALLOCATIONS HAVE CAUSED ANY PROBLEMS AS OF YET WE COULD LOOK AT IT IF IT DID REDUCE PERMIT FEES FOR SIDE PHASE.  SOME CITIES OFFER THAT WE FIND WE DO JUST AS MUCH RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS ON MAKING SURE A SIGN AS LEGALLY SO WE DON'T RECOMMEND THAT ELECTRONICS SIGN TO ALL TIMES HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES ALLOWANCES BILLBOARD STAFF RECOMMEND OPENING THOSE ALLOWANCES OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT WE REALLY JUST BUILDING OFF THE SAME LIST OF CONTACTS THAT WE HAD THROUGH THE SAN CODE PROCESS WE'VE BEEN EMAILING BACK AND FORTH WITH A FEW INTERESTED PARTIES. YOU DID RECEIVE A LETTER CLEAR CHANNEL OUTDOOR WHO DOES OWN MULTIPLE OF THE BILLBOARDS IN TOWN THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING CONVERT DIGITAL CONVERSION FOR NEW MEMBERS AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR THE MORE TENURED MEMBERS WE DID REDUCE THE ELECTRONIC DWELL TIMES AS PART OF THE NEW SIGN CODE . THEY'RE CURRENTLY 8 SECONDS FOR MESSAGES WITH TEN WORDS OR LESS, 20 SECONDS FOR THOSE WITH GRAPHICS OR MORE TEXT.  AND SO CLEAR CHANNEL IS JUST REITERATING THEIR PREVIOUS REQUEST THAT IT JUST MADE A UNIFORM 8 SECONDS THEY SUBMITTED THE SAME REQUEST BEFORE SO WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT AS STAFF THE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT TO AN EXTENT WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE NEW SIGN CODE BUT JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY NEW DIRECTION RELATED TO CLEAR CHANNELS REQUEST CERTAINLY LET US KNOW BUT OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST CONTENT TO STAY WITH WHERE WE'RE AT.  OKAY.  AND NEXT STEPS SO WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT THE FINAL VERSION OF THIS ORDINANCE TAKING YOUR AND THUMBS UP AND THUMBS DOWN INTO ACCOUNT AND WE'LL SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THIS BACK AT THAT TIME.  SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS. WE APPRECIATE IT.  ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT.  ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS A STUDY ITEM. IT'S ITEM FOUR. IT IS A REVIEW OF THE HEIGHTS AND HRA ADMINISTRATOR ABE YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT .  ALL RIGHT, GIVE ME 1/2 TO GET SET UP HERE .  OKAY, GOOD CHAIR COMMISSIONERS MY NAME IS SARAH THE HRA ADMINISTRATOR. I WILL BE PRESENTING ON THIS ITEM TONIGHT. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SEEN A FEW OF THESE OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS SO WE'LL KEEP IT TO A FAIRLY BRIEF HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATION AND FEEL FREE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. JUST A QUICK SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO THE HEIGHTS IS A THREE UNIT CONDO BUILDING THE REQUEST THEY SUBMITTED AN HIV APPLICATION TO THE HRA BACK IN LATE 2023. IT WAS FOLLOWING SEVERAL OTHER HRA HOUSING IMPROVEMENT AREA APPLICATIONS SO THESE GO THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS. THEY GO THROUGH THE HRA THEY GO THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE WE'RE RECOMMENDING A TIFF DISTRICT IS COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AND SO THE CHANGES BEING RECOMMENDED THE MOST SIGNIFICANT IS RENOVATION OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE WHICH HAS BEEN AILING FOR SOME TIME AND FAILED IN EARLIER IN 2024 AND SO THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO USE THEIR PARKING GARAGE FOR SOME TIME AND SO THE STAFF HAVE PUT TOGETHER ESSENTIALLY A FINANCING PACKAGE. AND SO AGAIN THE MAJOR CHANGE HERE IS RENOVATION OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT THEY'LL BE REPLACING SOME BALCONIES, JUST TWO BALCONIES THAT WERE DETERIORATED ON THE BUILDING ITSELF AND.  THEN SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO ACCESSIBILITY FROM THE GARAGE AND TO THE UNITS.  I'LL NOTE HERE THAT THERE ARE NO ZONING OUR LAND USE CHANGES IS A EXISTING BUILDING AND SO IT'S JUST FINANCING REPAIRS FOR THE SITE AND THEN THIS KIND OF RUNS THROUGH WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO FIND FOR ESTABLISHING A TIFF DISTRICT WHICH AGAIN IS PART OF THE OVERALL FINANCING PACKAGE?  SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW IDENTIFYING THAT THE TIFF DISTRICT QUALIFIES AS REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WHICH HAS BEEN DONE ALSO YOU KNOW FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE BEFORE TEST WHICH HAS ALSO BEEN DONE THE THE EACH OF THE THE ASSOCIATION HAD TRIED SEVERAL TIMES TO RECEIVE PRIVATE FINANCING AND WE ALSO AS A CITY AND TRIED TO REACH OUT TO VARIOUS OTHER RESOURCES AND WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL AND SO THIS TRULY IS THE LAST RESORT AVAILABLE TO THIS THIS THIS COMMUNITY AND THEN THIS CIRCLED ITEM IS THE WHY AS BEFORE WHY IT'S BEING BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING WHICH IS THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH DISTRICT NEEDS TO BE FOUND IN COMPLIANCE WITH PLANS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE.  AND THEN THIS IS JUST SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHY IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. SO THESE ARE SOME GOALS PULLED FROM THE COUNCIL'S PLAN.  YOU CAN SEE MITIGATING ANY HAZARDS ALSO YOU KNOW REDUCING HOUSING COSTS PRESERVING THOUGH ARE OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THIS IS A HIGHLY AFFORDABLE COMMUNITY IN THE CITY AND SO WE HAVE REALLY MADE A LOT OF EFFORTS TO COME UP WITH A FINANCING PACKAGE THAT WILL KEEP THIS AFFORDABLE THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIVING THERE AND THEN AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP OF COURSE IS ALSO A GOAL OF THE PLAN AND THIS PROPOSAL SATISFIES THAT GOAL AS WELL.  AND THEN THIS IS JUST A QUICK MAP OF THE HEIGHTS AREA.  THE PARKING GARAGE IS UNDER THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, THE TOP LEFT CORNER THERE AND THEN THE PROCESS SO THIS IS ALREADY GONE THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE APPLICATION HAS GONE THROUGH THE HRA AND THE CITY COUNCIL ALREADY IT WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PARCELS BEFORE THOSE BODY IS ONE MORE TIME .  THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TONIGHT AND THEN WE HAVE ASSUMING IT GOES THROUGH WE WOUL HAVE THE FEBRUARY PUBLIC HEARING AT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ANOTHER AREA BOARD DECISION IN 2020TH FEBRUARY 2025 AND WE WOULD EXPECT CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN SOMETIME IN THE SPRING WITH COMPLETION SLATED FOR BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND WITH THAT WE COME TO THE RECOMMENDED MOTION WHICH IS TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION FINDING OF THE HEIGHTS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TIFF PLAN ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BLOOMINGTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS CHAIR COULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US HOW TIFF WORKS? YEAH SO ESSENTIALLY TIFF IT STANDS FOR A TAX INCREMENT FINANCING AND IT'S BASICALLY WHEN THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS TO A PROPERTY THEN THE PROPERTY GENERATES HIGHER TAX VALUES AND SO WE CAPTURE THE HIGHER TAX VALUES OFTENTIMES WE WILL USE THEM TO PAY A DEVELOPER IN ORDER FOR BRINGING THIS PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE CITY. THE TIFF HELPS SUPPORT THE FINANCES OF THAT PROJECT.  IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THE TIFF IS MORE THE STRATEGY BEHIND TIFF WAS TO SUPPORT AFFORDABILITY OF THIS PROJECT FOR THE RESIDENTS THE TIFF IS ESSENTIALLY BEING USED TO REDUCE THEIR FEES AND THEIR FEES THAT ARE THEIR ASSESSMENT THAT IS BEING PUT ON THESE PROPERTIES AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT. AND SO TIFF IS ESSENTIALLY BEING USED TO PAY THE CITY BACK IN PART FOR THE LOAN TO REDUCE THE BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS. SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THEN THAT BASICALLY WE'RE LOANING THE CITY IS LOANING MONEY TO THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN THE WAY THAT WE GET OUR MONEY BACK IS THROUGH THE EXPECTED INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. WITH THE ADDITIONAL CAVEAT THAT MOST OF THE PAYMENTS ON THE LOAN WILL ACTUALLY BE MADE BY THE RESIDENTS. SO TIFF IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF REPAYMENT. THE MAJORITY OF IT IS STILL BEING NEEDING TO BE REPAID BY THE RESIDENTS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGES I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE.  I CAN SAY THAT THE FEE IS BEING ASSESSED TO THE RESIDENTS ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. THE MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING COMING BACK IS THROUGH RESIDENT PAYMENTS WILL BE ASSESSED ON THEIR TAXES. THERE'S ABOUT I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND HUNDRED THOUSAND IN TIFF THAT'S EXPECTED TO COME BACK AND ONE CAVEAT TO MENTION IS THAT THE CITY IS ISSUING BOND FOR A PORTION OF THE PROJECT ANDHE REST OF IT COMES FROM THE HRA FUNDS SO IT'S A REALLY IT'S BEING FUNDED BY BOTH BODIES.  OKAY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM.  THANK YOU CHAIR COULD YOU CONFIRM I KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN TIFF NOTES ARE TIPPED AS TIFF DISTRICTS THEY CAN ENCOMPASS AN AREA OUTSIDE OF THE WORK AREA IF LIKE A DEVELOPMENT IS TAKING A BLIGHTED AND MAKING IT AN ANCHOR DEVELOPMENT THE TEMPERATURE CAN BE LARGE I BELIEVE I READ IN THE PACKET THE TIFF DISTRICT IS THE THE THE MONEY COMING FROM THE INCREMENTS IS PURELY WITHIN THE CONDOMINIUM DISTRICT OR CONDOMINIUM BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT CORRECT.  YES SURE COMMISSIONERS THAT'S CORRECT. IF YOU GO FOR IT FOR MORE. I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR OUT THE PROCESS OF HOW WE LANDED ON TIFF.  IS THERE ANY CONCERN FROM CITY STAFF OF THIS SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER CONDOMINIUM DEVELOPMENTS OR KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO UTILIZE A OBVIOUSLY TAKES A WHILE TO GET TO A TIFF DISTRICT BUT TO UTILIZE CITY'S ASSISTANCE AND RESOURCES FOR IT. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A RIGHT WAY TO SAY TO ISSUES WITH THEIR STRUCTURES OR FACILITIES . YES CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER SO WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME WITH BOTH THE HRA AND THE CITY COUNCIL SO BECAUSE THIS IS THROUGH THE HIPAA APPLICATION THIS IS ACTUALLY IS A STANDARD BOARD PROCESS THAT WE WOULD WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS BECAUSE IT BENEFITS THE CITY BY YOU KNOW, PROMOTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY PROMOTING YOU KNOW,  RENOVATION OF HOMES, BY PROVIDING A SAFE AND DIGNIFIED FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN . IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE FINANCIAL COSTS WERE SO HIGH THAT IT STAFF WHO RECOMMENDED USING TIFF AS A MEANS TO REDUCE THE BURDEN.  THERE ARE SOME OTHER LONG TERM STRATEGIES THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION DETERIORATED SO MUCH WITH THE PARKING GARAGE SO FOR EXAMPLE THERE IS A GARAGE INSPECTION ORDINANCE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DRAFTED AND WORKED THROUGH AT THE CITY LEVEL. THERE'S ALSO AN A WORKING GROUP AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT MAY OR MAY NOT RESULT IN SOME CHANGES AROUND HOW HB IS ARE AND SO YOU KNOW THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT THINGS AT PLAY HERE SO I WOULD SAY IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CONSIDERED AND THOUGHT ABOUT I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS THE TIFF SPECIFICALLY WAS REALLY A RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDATION TO TRY TO REDUCE THE COST FOR RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE NEEDED REPAIRS WERE SO EXPENSIVE. THANK COMMISSIONER OAKTON THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THIS IS A STUDY ITEM. DOES IT INFER WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN AS A PUBLIC HEARING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO THAT THE THAT THIS WILL MOVE ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. SO THE NEXT STEP FOR THIS SO THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY TIME WE'RE SEEING IT IN TERMS OF RATE COMMISSIONERS, IF I CAN HIGHLIGHT YOUR SCOPE IS VERY, VERY NARROW ON THIS. I DON'T IT'S JUST PURELY WHETHER OR NOT THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THE NATIVE PLAN ARE CONSISTENT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO IT AND CERTAINLY THE HRA AND COUNCIL WILL WRESTLE WITH THOSE ISSUES BUT YOUR SCOPE TONIGHT IS VERY NARROW.  COMMISSIONER, IN YOUR MEMORY WE'VE SEEN I DON'T KNOW FOUR OR FIVE OF THESE IN MY TIME AND THEY'RE ALWAYS SUCH A SLAM DUNK LIKE HAVE NO IT'S ALWAYS LIKE WHY DO WE EVEN SEE THIS BECAUSE THERE'S WE HAVE NO FLEXIBILITY ON LIKE ANYTHING JUST AS MR. MURGATROYD JUST SAID SO I'LL JUST BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT WHEN I SAW THIS DURING MY STUDY PERIOD THROUGHOUT WEEK I GLANCE AND I DON'T HERE'S ANOTHER ONE OF THESE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING SLAM DUNK. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT APPLICATION TO AFTER I'VE HEARD THE PRESENTATION TODAY. THIS IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE. I THINK LIKE I DON'T HAVE A RECALL OF SEEING THE APPROVAL OF A 10TH DISTRICT FOR EXISTING CONDOMINIUMS LIKE USUALLY WHEN WE SEE THIS IT'S EITHER IT'S USUALLY FOR LIKE A NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT TO DO THIS FOR EXISTING CONDOMINIUMS IT'S GIVING ME PAUSE AND I'M WRESTLING IN MY HEAD LIKE DO I NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AND START BREAKING THIS DOWN, HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE OR AM I OVERTHINKING AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND LET'S JUST DO THIS WHATEVER. BUT I DON'T KNOW LIKE I TO WORRY ABOUT PRECEDENTS HAVE A LOT OF CONDO BUILDINGS OUT THERE AND WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD FOR YOU KNOW THE CITY IS GOING TO HELP YOU OUT ON THIS ONE BY BY FORFEITING YOU YOU KNOW, BY INSTALLING A DESTRUCTIVE DISTRICT AND FORFEITING OF THOSE TAX DOLLARS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR WHATEVER LIKE WHAT IS THE BAR HERE AND SO YOU KNOW TO WHAT HAS BEEN SAID OUR HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE THE BLOOMINGTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT I HATE TO USE THE WORD BAILOUT BECAUSE REALLY INFERS SOME THINGS I DON'T MEAN TO INFER BUT ARE WE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUGGESTS WE SHOULD BE BAILING OUT CONDO BUILDINGS AND LIKE THE OTHER THING TOO IS AN OWNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE. AND I'M GOING TO START TO SOUND COLDHEARTED HERE AND I WISH DIDN'T BUT UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S JUST THE WAY I THINK THIS IS GOING TO START IN A SECOND HERE. BUT AS A CONDOMINIUM OWNER THAT MEANS YOU'VE THIS.  SO WHEN YOU PURCHASE A HOME OR A PROPERTY OR WHATEVER YOU'RE SIGNING IN FOR THAT AND YOU'RE LIKE YOU'RE MAKING AN AGREEMENT TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT PROPERTY AND YOU SOME DUE DILIGENCE WHETHER YOU'RE BUYING $1,000,000 HOME OR YOU'RE IN A MORE HARDSHIP CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE CAN'T AFFORD SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT WHEN YOU SIGN YOUR NAME ON THE DOTTED LINE YOU'RE TAKING OWNERSHIP OF THAT AND YOU HAVE A TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE OF LOOKING AT THE CONDOMINIUM AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND SEEING OH MY GOSH THIS THING SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS HERE AND IT MIGHT BE A VERY FINANCIALLY DISADVANTAGEOUS POSITION TO PUT MYSELF IN AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE SITUATION THESE RESIDENTS HAVE PUT THEM IN . AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S REALLY COLD HEARTED AND I DON'T MEAN TO DO THAT OR TAKE PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANYBODY BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE SITUATION THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN . THEY PURCHASE PROPERTY YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THE BLOOMINGTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH GIVING, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC DOLLARS TO ASSIST A SITUATION LIKE THIS. I'M SURE THAT IS CONSISTENT. COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS. CHAIR YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS DOES FIT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ THROUGH THE LAND AND REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY BULLET POINTS CAPITALIZE ON REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. I DON'T SEE THAT HERE FOSTER ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES,  DON'T SEE THAT HERE. SUPPORT HIGHER LAND USE INTENSITIES, DON'T SEE THAT HERE WORK TOWARDS A 5050 BALANCE OF RESIDENTIAL NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX BASE.  I DON'T SEE THAT HERE ENCOURAGE REDEVELOPMENT OF OUTDATED UNDERUTILIZED OR INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES I DON'T SEE THAT HERE PROTECT PRESERVE AND ENHANCE OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION AREAS AND CELEBRATE THEIR VALUES. I DON'T SEE THAT HERE. THERE'S A FEW WE CAN PUT THEM ON THE SCREEN BUT THIS JUST DOESN'T I DON'T SEE IT SO COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN I'M GOING TO TRY THIS OUT. I CONCUR WITH YOU FEEL AS A CONDO OWNER AS WELL WE TAKE GREAT LENGTHS IN SURE THAT OUR AWAY HAS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THAT SHOULD BE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT WITH OTHER CONDO ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT BUY INTO THE CONDO AND THESE ASSOCIATION PLEASE WORK WITH THEM NOT AGAINST THEM AND IN THIS SITUATION IT'S THE CITY BAILING THEM OUT I DON'T WANT TO BE HARSH AS REITERATED COMMISSIONER COULD BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING VERY CONDUCIVE.  YEAH CHAIR COMMISSIONERS IF I COULD MAYBE RESPOND SO I WANT BACK TO THE GOALS FROM SOME OF THE GOALS FROM THE THE CURRENT PLAN THAT WE DID PULL OUT TO IDENTIFY HERE AND THOSE ARE GOALS.  SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT BULLET POINTS.  ONE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRESERVING NO FOSTERING HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. THIS IS AIGHLY AFFORDABLE UNIT IN THE OUR CONDO APARTMENT IN THE CITY.  AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE SOME OF THAT AFFORDABILITY, YOU KNOW, REALLY ALLOW FOR RESIDENTS TO STAY IN THEIR CURRENT BECAUSE THE THE STRUCTURE HAS FAILED. AND SO GIVEN THE ATTEMPTS BY WAY TO FIND ADDITIONAL FINANCING THERE UNFORTUNATELY NOT ANOTHER OPTION FOR THE RESIDENTS.  THERE IS NO TRADITIONAL FINANCING THAT WILL WORK FOR THIS PROJECT.  AND SO I'LL ALSO GO BACK TO THE HIPAA PROCESS. SO THIS IS THIS IS A BENEFIT THAT IS NOT ONLY OFFERED BY THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON BUT IT IS A PROCESS THAT IS APPROVED THROUGH AND REGULATED THROUGH THE STATE. IT'S A STATE LEGISLATIVE ID PROCESS AND IT'S UTILIZED BY MANY CITIES THROUGHOUT THE METRO AREA. AND IN TERMS OF THE COMP PLAN, I'LL JUST REITERATE THAT THERE ARE NO THERE ARE NO ZONING OR USE CHANGES.  SO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN IS REALLY PROPOSING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CURRENT SITE. IT'S NOT MAKING A CHANGE THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE REGULATIONS THAT ARE SET FORWARD IN THE COMP PLAN.  COMMISSIONER GARY, THANKS. CHAIR. I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DISAGREE WITH THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I THINK THESE GOALS ARE IN DIRECT RESULTS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WHEREAS WE HAVE A SPECIFIC OF WHAT THE REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY IS FOR THE CITY AND NONE OF IT IS APPLICABLE HERE. SO I JUST DON'T THINK THIS MAKES ANY SENSE SAVE FOR FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT.  WILL YOU GIVE US A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT HRA? YEAH. SO ESSENTIALLY THE HRA AGAIN IS ESTABLISHED BY STATE STATUTE AS A HOUSING IMPROVEMENT AREA.  IT IS COMMON FOR THE HRA TO ISSUE LOANS FOR HOMEOWNERS AND IN THIS SITUATION IT ESSENTIALLY OFFERS THIS TYPE OF BENEFIT AN HRA AND SO IT ALLOWS THE CITY BASICALLY FRONT MONEY IN ORDER FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO A PROPERTY TO BE MADE IN THESE AND INCREASE THE LIVABILITY IT INCREASES THE ESTHETICS IT IMPROVES LIVING CONDITIONS FOR RESIDENTS THAT'S THE GOAL BEHIND THE HRA A PROCESS AND SO IT'S FAIRLY COMMON IT'S USED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES BECAUSE THEIR LOANS THEY'RE PAID BACK TO THE CITY THEY'RE ALSO ASSESSED AS PROPERTY TAXES WHICH THE FEES ARE ASSESSED AND PROPERTY TAXES WHICH MAKE IT A VERY STABLE AND VERY SAFE WAY OF LOANING OUT FUNDS FOR TYPE OF PURPOSES AND THAT ARE THEN REPLENISHED BACK TO THE CITY SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS. IT'S ALSO A VERY EXTENSIVE THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT A LOT OF INFORMATION IN TERMS OF FINANCES AND GOALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT DURING THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION PERIOD. SO IT'S A VERY HIGHLY REGULATED, VERY COMMON TOOL THAT'S USED FOR CITIES AND GENERALLY I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO? YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT EACH HOMEOWNER CONDO OWNER WOULD BE ASSESSED. YEAH, I BELIEVE THE AMOUNT RANGES BASED ON THE ASSESSED VALUE THE UNIT AND ALSO THE SIZE. SO THERE'S ONE IN TWO BEDROOMS IT'S AROUND I BELIEVE IS AROUND 4 TO 500 A MONTH IS THE ASSESSED FEE. HOWEVER EVEN WITH ADDITIONAL COST WE WE OUR SHOWS THAT THE MAJORITY OF UNITS OVER 80% WOULD STILL BE AFFORDABLE AT THESE 60% AND I LEVEL SO EVEN WITH THE INCREASE IN FEES WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WOULD SERVE ITS PURSE OF MAINTAINING AFFORDABILITY FOR THESE UNITS. COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS CHAIR. I THINK THIS BRINGS UP A COUPLE OTHER POINTS. ONE, CONDOS ARE INHERENTLY RISKY BECAUSE CAN GET HIT WITH SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS YOU GET YOU END UP HAVING TO REPLACE A ROOF OR A FACADE OR SOMETHING AND THAT CAN END UP BEING LIKE 40 TO $80000 PER UNIT. SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH CONDOS I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SENSE THAT MAKES IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION MEAN I'M TOTALLY FOR IT TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY.  THIS IS JUST NOT IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE AT ALL.  PLANNING MANAGER MARK HURD AND COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS JUST WANT TO TALK A LITTLE MORE AGAIN ABOUT THE LIMITED SCOPE THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT IN THIS CASE THERE'S NO CHANGE NO CHANGE TO THE PROPERTY AFTER THE PRIOR ACT IT WILL LOOK ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.  SO IN TERMS OF , YOU KNOW, THINGS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO LOOK AT I THINK WHAT ARE WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS IF THERE WAS TO BE A VOTE AGAINST IT SHOULD BE VERY CLEAR IN WHAT YOU WOULD POINT TO IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROJECT STAYING AS IS COMMISSIONER HECTOR THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND I'M GOING TO RISK MYSELF WITH ANOTHER COLD HEARTED COMMENT HERE BUT STRATEGY 3.4 VOTE NATURALLY OF OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PERHAPS IS ONLY NATURALLY OCCURRING BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN APPROPRIATELY FUNDING THEIR WAY LIKE MAYBE IT'S ONLY BEEN SO CHEAP BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN UNDERFUNDING THEMSELVES.  MR. MCGOVERN I SECOND THAT IT'S ALWAYS NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND HAVE A RESERVE SET ASIDE FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS AND.  IT'S APPARENT THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT THE YOU'RE SAYING IT MAY OCCUR AGAIN. MR. CURRY THANK YOU. CHAIR GLENN, I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE IN THAT THE MOST DIRECT APPLICATION,  THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THIS AND WHAT IS THE MECHANISM THAT CAUSES TIFF TO POTENTIALLY BE APPLICABLE IS REDEVELOPMENT.  AND IF WE READ OUR REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGIES THERE'S NOWHERE IN HERE THAT HAS ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BASED ON THIS NOT MEETING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT ALL.  COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY I'M KEVIN KENNY IS I'M THE ASSISTANT PORT ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY AND I WANTED JUST TO CALL ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION I'VE BEEN HEARING TODAY. SO WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING REDEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS  AND SPEAKING ABOUT REDEVELOPMENT IN SOME SPECIFIC TERMS BUT THE WAY IT'S DEFINED IS THAT REDEVELOPMENT IS ABOUT ADDRESSING BLIGHT AND SO IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THAT IT IS CONSTRUCTION OF A BUILDING. IT COULD BE ADDRESSING THAT BLIGHT WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE HEARING THIS BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU TODAY AND.  THEN WE ALSO DID RUN THESE PLANS BY BOTH THE MUNICIPAL OR BAKER TILLY WHO MANAGERS ARE TO THE PLANS AS WELL AS OUR OUR COUNCIL WHO.  YOU'VE HEARD FROM BEFORE JULIANNE INGTON COMMISSIONER AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS REALLY TRICKY THING.  EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE I THINK IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT CONDOS ARE NOT A GREAT WAY TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT IF THAT'S THE ONLY OPTION YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD A STANDALONE HOUSE, YOU CAN'T AFFORD A $300,000 MORTGAGE. SO A CONDO IS THE ONLY WAY IN THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT.  I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THE FHA BOARD WAS NOT IN THIS CASE WAS NOT ACTING IN THE RESPONSIBLE LONG TERM INTEREST THE RESIDENTS. I ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOUR OR $500 A MONTH EXTRA PAYMENT ON TOP OF YOUR CONDO PAYMENT AND YOUR PMI AND YOUR CON YOUR INSURANCE AND YOUR PROPERTY TAXES AND THIS ASSESSMENT AND THAT ASSESSMENT AND PLUS YOU HAVE TO PAY A CAR PAYMENT INSURANCE AND BUY FOOD AND LUXURY ITEMS LIKE SHOES AND CLOTHING AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO GO OUT TO DINNER ONCE IN A WHILE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ADD REALLY QUICKLY AND THE IDEA OF PUTTING AN EXTRA FOUR OR $500 IN THE BANK EVERY MONTH WHEN YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE IT IS A REALLY HARD SELL TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CONDO BUT A RESPONSIBLE BOARD KNOWS THAT 100 OR $200 NOW WILL ADD UP TO THAT FOUR OR $500 LATER. AND I HOPE THAT THE BOARD FOR THIS CONDO UNIT WILL LEARN THAT LESSON.  I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED NOT A LITTLE. I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS PROBLEM WILL GET FIXED. THE RESIDENTS ARE THERE NOW WILL BE MAXED OUT TO TAKE CARE OF THE REPAYMENT AND THEY'LL STILL BE NO NEST EGG FOR THE NEXT CRISIS OR THE NEXT REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.  SO I HOPE THAT THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN THE PLANNING AND THE FINANCING AND THE ASSISTANCE THAT'S BEING GIVEN. I'M THAT THERE ARE WAYS FOR PROPERTIES THIS TO GET ASSISTANCE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE BORN KNOWING HOW TO OWN AND MANAGE PROPERTY.  I THINK THAT PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET HELP AND TO LEARN IS GOOD . I THINK THAT THERE ARE VERY VALID REASONS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCEPTION THIS CAN CREATE AND THE PUBLIC THAT IS NOT JUST A PERCEPTION BUT THAT IS REALITY THAT YOU KNOW WE ARE FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES BAILING OUT A PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF MANAGING ITSELF.  BUT I THINK IT'S MORE TO THE STORY THAN THAT AND.  I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WE NEED TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT OPENING A DOOR. THIS IS NOT OPENING A FLOODGATE. THIS IS NOT SETTING A LOW THRESHOLD FOR ANYBODY IN TOWN WHO NEEDS THAT.  THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN THAT AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN BE VERY CLEAR WHEN WE WHEN WE TELL THIS STORY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT THAT THE WHOLE STORY TOLD AND THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE SHORT, EASY WAY OF DESCRIBING IT. SO IF I'M TAKING THE LONG, LONG WAY AROUND HERE SAY THAT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS CLEAR CUT AS WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BUT I DO PLAN TO VOTE IN SUPPORT CHAIR COMMISSIONERS . I MIGHT MAKE ONE NOTE WHICH IS JUST THAT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PROSS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO A RESERVE STUDY AND TO DETERMINE LONG TERM CAPITAL NEEDS FOR THE PROPERTY AND SO THE INCREASE. THE ASSESSED FEES ALSO INCLUDE AN INCREASE IN FEES ADDRESS ISSUES LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE OR LONG TERM CAPITAL NEEDS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THAT STUDY.  COMMISSIONER COOKSON YEAH, THANKS MADAM CHAIR AND I THINK COMMISSIONER WHITE MADE SOME SOME VERY FINE POINTS THERE AND SOMETHING THAT STRUCK WITH ME WAS OKAY SO THIS GETS THEM THROUGH THE HUMP BUT WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS IS IT'S GOING TO BE A SPARKLING NEW BUILDING AFTER THIS AND I IMAGINE THERE COULD BE OTHER DEFICIENCIES AND SO IF WE FILL OUT THIS TIME AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER MASSIVE PROBLEM ARE WE REALLY GOING TO SAY NO THE NEXT TIME? AND I THAT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IT'S IT'S THAT ASPECT OF IT IS THE PRECEDENT IT FEELS FINANCIALLY IRRESPONSIBLE AS A CITY TO PUMP INTO THIS AND SET THE PRECEDENT THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE OKAY SOME OF OUR FUNDS GOING AND I COULD EASILY SEE THIS HAPPENING WITH THE NEXT PROBLEM AND THEN THEY COME BACK TO US AND THEY NEED ANOTHER WHATEVER AND I DON'T KNOW I THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN I THINK ALSO CALLS FOR US BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SO LIKE I KNOW WE'VE PICKED OUT SOME HERE THAT YOU COULD POINT TO BUT I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY GO THROUGH THERE AND POINT TO A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD WOULD BE CONTRARY TO WHAT THIS TO THE CREATION OF THIS DISTRICT WOULD THIS DISTRICT WOULD DO AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THE CITY THAT IS IN THE IS THE PARTNER BAIL THEM OUT I THINK THERE'S HUD AND OTHER THINGS TO AND I JUST DON'T THINK US AS A CITY AND OUR TAXPAYERS ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO STEP IN HERE. I'M I'M SORRY THAT'S THE WAY IT IS BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR RESIDENTS AS KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT FUND OUR TAXES ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO STEP IN HERE. I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T FIND IT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I JUST CAN'T GET THERE.  SO I REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST TOUGH DISTRICTS AND THE SORT OF BUT FOR APPROACH AM I TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE OR IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE? YEP. OKAY.  SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN?  YOU MEAN WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TIFF DISTRICT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY? YES, IT WOULD IT WOULD INCREASE THE COST BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THE THIS HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE HRA AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND HAS AN APPROVED FINANCING EXCEPT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT I BELIEVE IT WOULD STILL GO FORWARD BUT THE IMPACT ON THE THE THE PAYMENTS ON THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE HIGHER I BELIEVE SO BUT FOR THE TIFF DISTRICT THEIR PAYMENTS WOULD LET'S SAY DOUBLE OR EVEN MORE IS WHAT I'M GATHERING I SO THAT IS MY CONCERN I THINK THAT I AGREE THE SENTIMENT GENERALLY OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE MY CONCERN IS THAT BUT FOR THE TIFF DISTRICT THE IDEA OF IT BEING AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE PROBABLY ISN'T THE CASE ANYMORE AND WE MIGHT BE EVEN JUST SQUEEZING BY USING THE TIFF DISTRICT AS A LOVER I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE FAMILIES LONG TERM EVEN WITH THAT AS TIFF DISTRICT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STAY AND KEEP THEIR HOUSING FOR MORE THAN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.  THE DISPLACEMENT FOR ME IS WHAT'S PUSHING ME ACROSS THE FINISH LINE FOR THIS ONE. MR. CURRY THANKS CHAIR.  I THINK THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME I HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING.  SO GOING BACK TO THE I THINK YOU'D DESCRIBED REDEVELOPMENT AND AGAIN IF THAT WAS WHAT WE INTEND TO DO FOR REDEVELOPMENT. IT SHOULD BE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHICH IT'S NOT.  ADDITIONALLY I THINK LOOKING AT THESE GOALS YOU COULD APPLY THESE GOALS TO HOW MANY HOUSES ACROSS BLOOMINGTON HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A TIFF FOR THEIR HOUSE SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE THE CITY SUPPORTS THEIR THE CONDITION OF THEIR HOME IT'S JUST THIS IS THESE ARE FAR TOO BROAD ACROSS CITY TO BE APPLIED TO THIS SITUATION WHEREAS THE REDEVELOPMENT ASPECT OF IT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS SITUATION AND I DON'T THINK IT MATCHES IT AND SORRY.  I JUST THINK I'M JUST VERY FRUSTRATED THAT WE'RE JUST MANIPULATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO DO THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY.  COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM ADMINISTRATOR ABE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PAGE BACK JUST A FEW SLIDES? I JUST WANTED A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND SO WE HAVE THE TIFF DISTRICT WE HAVE A CITY BOND HRA IS INVOLVED PORTS INVOLVED . CITY COUNCIL'S ALREADY SEEN THIS ONCE IT'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH HRA SO THIS PLAN THUMBS UP THUMBS DOWN IS MORE OF A SPEED BUMP OF A MUCH LARGER EFFORT BY MULTIPLE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS AND AND THE COUNCIL DOES THAT KIND OF AN ACCURATE SUMMARY CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS YES IT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE HRA AT LEAST TWICE AND I BELIEVE EVEN BEFORE THAT THERE PREVIOUS HRA APPLICATIONS. SO THE HRA HAS SEEN IT MANY THE COUNCIL ALSO IT WAS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA TWICE AS WELL ONCE WAS A CONSENT ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED TRAIL BRIDGE IF I CAN ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT TO THAT IS THAT BEING AROUND THE CITY AND A LOT OF CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD ATTEMPT OF A BROADER STRATEGY TO GET WHERE THEY'RE GOING. I BET MULTIPLE MEETINGS NOW WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL DID NOT SUPPORT THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE OF WHATEVER SUPPORT WAS BEING REQUESTED BY THE RESIDENTS AND SO THIS IS ULTIMATELY THIRD ATTEMPT I BELIEVE TO DO SO IN THE MOST LIMITED AND ATTEMPT I THINK THAT PUTS MORE OF THE THE LION'S OF THE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS.  AND I'M NOT IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO SPEAK TO THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT OF IT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IT DOES REMIND ME THAT ON MULTIPLE PUBLIC POLICY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OR DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE LOOKED AT, IT'S NOT OUT THE REALM OF NORMAL THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOALS OR STRATEGIES OR ACTIONS CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER. THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY UNCOMMON. YOU HAVE THAT SAY ABOUT MAINTAIN LOCAL CHARACTER OF A RESIDENTIAL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SUBJECTIVE TEST TO A DEGREE OF WHAT THAT MEANS THAT YOU MUST PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AT ALL COSTS. IF YOU DID THAT THEN YOU WOULDN'T PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND PERIOD SO.  IT'S NOT MY PLACE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PASSIONATE DISCUSSION BY MANY PARTIES THIS END BUT I DO WANT TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE HRA AND THAT THEY'RE INTERPRETING THAT THE GOALS, STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT CORRECTLY THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE POINTED TO ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ZONING AND LAND USE POLICIES THAT RELATE TO HOUSING CREATION.  THEY'RE HERE ON MY SCREEN AS WELL AND IT MATCHES THE LANGUAGE ON THEIR SLIDES SO I RECOGNIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. CERTAINLY THOSE THINGS ARE AT PLAY TOO BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S THERE'S GOALS AND STRATEGIES THE COMP PLAN THAT DON'T ALIGN AND IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO MAKE DECISION THE COUNCIL ON HRA TO MAKE A FINANCIAL DECISION ABOUT PROTECTS THE CITY OR DOESN'T IN IN SUPPORT OF ITS RESIDENTS SO THAT'S JUST THE I'VE STAYED SILENT THE WHOLE TIME AND YOU KNOW I LIKE TALK SO THAT'S JUST MY ONE PIECE YEAH SURE I MIGHT JUST ADD A LITTLE CAN ACTUALLY BE ON THE RECORD HERE AND YOU GET IN A  YEAH JUST A NOTE THAT ANY TIME A TIFF DISTRICT IS COMING FORWARD A TIFF PLAN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF IT CONFORMS OR NOT SO THIS DECISION WILL COME UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN PAST THE CITY HAS APPROVED TIFF DISTRICTS FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES REDEVELOPMENT FOR THOSE NEW CONSTRUCTION SO IT COMES UP IN A VARIETY OF CONTEXTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO COME UP IN A VARIETY OF CONTEXTS SO THIS DECISION WILL HAVE TO MADE OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO IT'S GOOD TAKE A LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE AS WELL.  THERE'S BEEN DISCRETE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS TT HAVE RECEIVED TIFF BUSINESSES OR RISKY VENTURES AS WELL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND THE CITY HAS BEEN WILLING TO ASSIST IN THOSE AREAS AS WELL . SO JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND THE BUT FOR TEST IS A DECISION THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE SO IT'S COUNCIL DECISION NOT A PLANNING COMMISSION DECISION YOUR JOB IS JUST TO ASSESS IF THE TIFF PLAN MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE CITY. SO AGAIN THE SCOPE PLANNING MANAGER TALKED ABOUT EARLIER SO I'LL HAVE THANK YOU I'M SURE I CAN CLARIFY SOMETHING OF THIS OR TASKING YES FOR CARE.  I JUST WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE LAST THING YOU SAID THERE. WHAT IS SPECIFIC TYPICALLY OUR ROLE IS IT CONFORMS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IT CONFORMANCE TO THE BLANK PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WHAT?  YEAH. SO THE LANGUAGE THAT THE STATUTE USES IS THE READ OR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T SAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE STATUTE THE TIFF STATUTE IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE OR SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT EFFECT. I DON'T KNOW IF.  THAT'S EXACTLY LIKE A GENERAL PLAN OF DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE. SO THAT INCLUDES DISTRICT PLANS, THAT INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT INCLUDES I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE PLAN THAN THE PLANNING STAFF HERE BUT ALL THOSE THINGS IN A WAY JOE AND THE CITY CODE AS WELL THAT FORMS THOSE PARTS OF THE PLAN . CHAIR MAY I ASK THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION GO FOR IT? MAY I ASK THE ATTORNEY A QUESTION THAT MAYBE ILLUMINATES THAT TO AN EXTENT WOULD IT BE ATTORNEY TASK?  WOULD IT BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN IF THE CITY WERE APPROVING A DISTRICT FOR A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON A SITE GATED HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID AGAIN MR. JOHNSON SO IT'S BACK UP. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS GUIDED HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THAT USE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO CONTINUE UNDER THIS PLAN. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IF THE CITY WERE APPROVING A TIFF PACKAGE FOR A PROJECT WITHOUT REGARDING THE PROPERTY TO A COMMERCIAL USE COMMERCIAL LAND USE CATEGORY THEN WOULD THAT BE A MORE CLEAR INCONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPLEX? CORRECT. AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YEAH I MEAN IN THIS YOU POINTED OUT BEFORE THAT THERE'S NO REZONING AGGREGATING SO THE PLAN HAS THE LAND USE GUIDE PLAN AND IT CONTINUES TO BE GUIDED THE SAME EXACT AS IT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE HIGH DESERT, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.  SO THERE'S NO ZONING CHANGES EITHER. SO AS FACTORS CORRECT .  ANY FINAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS WITH COMMISSIONER COMPTON? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS SO COMPLICATED AND IT'S BEEN STATED A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS BUT THERE'S SOMETIMES THERE'S CONFLICTING GOALS AND AND YOU COULD POINT TO THINGS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAY WE SHOULD DO THIS OR WE SHOULDN'T THIS.  AND SO I THINK A SHORT OF VERY DISCRETE DIRECTION SOMETHING LIKE DOES THIS CONFORM TO ITEM POINT FOUR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU'RE KIND OF LEFT TO USE SOME DISCRETION ABOUT IS THIS IN CONFORMANCE OR NOT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WEIGH OKAY WELL IT'S IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THESE FOR LESS AND FAVOR SOME OF THESE PARTS. AND SO HOW IS IT SORT OF SCALING AND OUT AND THE WAY MS. OR TASK DESCRIBED IT THERE WAS IT I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO REPEAT HIS LANGUAGE BUT IT WAS IN CONFORMANCE TO LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT GOALS OR WHATEVER AND.  SO IT'S MY OPINION THAT USING A TIFF TO TO BAIL THIS OUT IS NOT THE BEST INTERESTS OF DEVELOPMENT GOALS. I, I DON'T THINK USING PUBLIC DOLLARS INDIRECTLY BY USING PUBLIC DOLLARS TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT IN A WAY THAT WAS LESS THAN RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR PLAN TO MAINTAIN THEIR THEIR CAMPUS HERE I DON'T FIND THAT TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OF THE TAXPAYERS AND IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I THINK WHERE I'M REALLY AT ON THIS THIS IS THIS LIKE THE FIRST THING I STARTED WITH THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN EVERY OTHER TIME WE'VE EVER SEEN A TIFF DISTRICT AND I'VE SUPPORTED EVERY ONE OF THEM UP TO THIS. I'M TIFF GUY BUT LIKE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A NEW  AFFORDABLE HOUSING WELL THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT PROJECT WOULDN'T PENCIL OUT IF WE IF A TIFF DISTRICT WASN'T THERE TO HELP OR IF YOU TALK ABOUT EITHER MMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WELL THAT THE UPFRONT COSTS OF THAT WOULDN'T PENCIL OUT SO THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IF BUT A TIFF DISTRICT WELL THIS ONE IF THEY HAD JUST FUNDED THEIR WAY APPROPRIATELY WE WOULDN'T BE HERE AND SO FOR ME DOESN'T PASS THE BOARD FOR TEST AND AGAIN THAT ALSO GOES BACK TO I DON'T THINK THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEY'VE UNDERFUNDED THERE IS NO WAY THIS ISN'T AFFORDABLE HOUSING LIKE WE'RE SEEING THAT WHEN YOU'VE UNDERFUNDED OWN BY MAKING IT AFFORDABLE YOU GET YOURSELF INTO A BIG PROBLEM AND AGAIN SO SORRY TO BE COLD HEARTED I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE REAL PEOPLE THERE AND THIS IS THEIR HOME AND I HATE TO BE THE GUY TO TO HURT THAT BUT WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO OUR TAXPAYERS AND OUR RESIDENTS ALL OF THEM AND I CANNOT MAKE A FINDING THAT THIS IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT'S ALSO SO I THINK WHAT ATTORNEY TASK MENTIONED IS THE BUT FOUR TEST EXISTS ONLY AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AM I CORRECT IN THAT.  YEAH. OKAY SO I THINK OUR THE AMOUNT OF DISCRETION WE HAVE AS A BODY IS NOT BUT FOR EVEN THOUGH I SAID THAT BUT I THINK THAT IT DOES FEEL LIKE WE ARE THE SPEED BUMP ON THE TO APPROVAL HERE AND IT FEELS AS THOUGH THE CITY COUNCIL IN THE AREA HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSIONS I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS HOPING THAT BOTH THOSE BODIES ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND HAVE MORE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT HOW THIS WILL PLAY OUT MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE AND THAT THEY BOTH BOTH BODIES ARE USING PUBLIC DOLLARS IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY. SO WITH THAT I'M WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD.  ANY ONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, THOUGHTS?  COMMISSIONER CURRY I'M SORRY I JUST GOT SO THIS IS 30 UNITS AND I MEAN I TOTALLY AGREE I,  TOTALLY UNDERSTAND AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS A WAY TO SUPPORT THIS BUT HOW MANY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR DUPLEXES ARE THERE IN THE CITY THAT ARE PROBABLY ALSO IN DISREPAIR AND DO NOT GET THIS ATTENTION SO AGAIN, I THINK ACCORDING THE BEST IT'S JUST IF I MAY THOUGH COMMISSIONER CURRY, THE PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY USED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW AND WONDER IF YOU WOULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR THAT THEY'RE NOT TIFF CHAIR COMMISSIONERS I'LL JUST NOTE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY APPLY FOR LOANS THROUGH THE HRA. IT'S A DIFFERENT PROGRAM BUT KIND OF A SIMILAR IDEA. OH IT'S NOT SOMETHING ELSE. UM OH. I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS NEED TO BE MET IN ORDER FOR A TIFF DISTRICT TO BE ESTABLISHED.  IT CANNOT JUST BE ESTABLISHED BECAUSE SOMEONE MAKES THE REQUEST THERE SPECIFIC STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE MET AND THERE WAS AN EVALUATION OF THIS PROPERTY BY NOT ONLY A REVIEW FROM OUR ATTORNEYS AS WELL AS OUR FINANCIAL ANALYSTS AS WELL AS OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AND STAFF WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROPERTY MET THAT TEST AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WAS YEAH I THINK THE POINT IS THE TIFF AS YEAH EVERYBODY ALL THESE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIFF SO THAT WAS THE POINT BUT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM JUST TO KIND OF A CLARIFICATION SORRY MY VOICE IS HURTING ME THIS.  TIFF DISTRICT IS SELF-CONTAINED WITHIN THE UNIT SO THIS THE CITY IF APPROVED WOULD BE MISSING OUT ON THE REVENUE INCREMENT BETWEEN CURRENT AND WHAT THE NEW REVENUE WILL OVER THE TAX RATE WILL BE FOR THE NEXT I THINK THE TERM WAS 25 YEARS BUT IT'S WITHIN THESE 30 UNITS SO THEY'RE KIND OF PAYING THEMSELVES BACK IN A WAY THE CITY IS MISSING OUT ON THE PRESENT VALUE OF THAT INCREMENT.  IS THAT IS THAT ACCURATE? SO LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO DO A COMMISSIONER CURRY IF YOU WANTED TO DO A TIF DISTRICT FOR YOUR HOUSE YOU'D BUMP YOUR PROPERTY TAXES UP AND USE THAT LIKE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT ALMOST. I MEAN IT'D BE SELF-CONTAINED IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT HOUSES WOULD LOVE TIFF YEAH WELL IT'S IN THE EXPECTATION OF THE PROPERTY TAXES WILL BE HIGHER IN THE FUTURE TO GET THE MONEY BACK WHICH IS NICE SORRY IT I SHOULDN'T EVEN MADE THE POINT BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT'S JUST ME JUST I'M DONE. THANKS, MAYOR. MAKE POINT OF CLARIFICATION COMMISSIONERS SO SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES AND TIFF THERE'S RESTRICTIONS AROUND THOSE AND ONLY SCATTERED STATE DISTRICTS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WHICH IS SPECIAL LEGISLATION AND DOESN'T APPLY TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON.  COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM SORRY WE ARE DRAGGING THIS OUT SO LONG AS A CAN YOU PULL BACK UP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FINDINGS SO YOU KNOW I'M SORRY I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH DISCUSSION THIS ITEM I GUESS WHAT WOULD THE PROCESS BE IF THE PLANNING DID NOT MAKE THESE FINDINGS IS TIFF DISTRICT DEAD IN THE WATER OR IS THERE AN APPEALS PROCESS?  IS THERE A CITY COUNCIL OVERRIDE THAT KNOWN AT THIS TIME PLANNING MANAGER MARK OR YOU HAVE A ANSWER FOR US?  THE CHAIR RIGHT COMMISSIONERS WE'RE JUST DISCUSSING THAT AND ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THE DOES NOT SAY WHAT ENTITY THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON CONFORMANCE WITH THE PLAN AND THE CITY SUNSET IS ADDED TO THE PLANNING OTHER CITIES HAVE THEIR CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION AND HISTORICALLY BLOOMINGTON'S COUNCIL HAD MADE THAT UP UNTIL MAYBE FIVE PLUS OR MINUS YEARS AGO AND THEN MORE RECENTLY HAS BEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO THE CITY COUNCIL MAY BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT BUT WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW THAT MORE . GOT IT AND THANK YOU PLANNING MANAGER MURPHY GUARD I CAN MAKE THE FINDING OF HAZARDS.  THIS IS A BLIGHTED BUILDING THE VEHICLES THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE INSIDE OF IT WITH A YOU KNOW MOST PARKING GARAGES HAVE A INFLAMMABLE WASTE TRAP THEY'RE PARKED ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW SO ANY PETROCHEMICALS RIPPING OFF THE CARS COULD GO INTO THE STORM SYSTEM. SO THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL A VERY SMALL ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD THERE. I MEAN IF THE THE PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS CONDEMNED THEN THAT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD. SO WE'RE MITIGATING THAT WITH THIS WITH THIS THIS TIFF DISTRICT, I CAN'T FIND 3.23.43.6 THOUGH SO I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO VOTE ON THIS BUT IF WE HAVE ONE WE CAN IF ONE IS ENOUGH TO SAY WHERE WE'RE MEETING THAT THEN I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS MEETING THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE CITY NOT NECESSARILY THE FULL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT I CAN'T I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONERS COOKED IN MCGOVERN AND CURRIE ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY OF A CONDOMINIUM I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU BUT THAT IS JUST ONE STRATEGY IS MITIGATING ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS I THINK HAVE TO GO BACK TO GOAL ONE WHICH IS KEEPING EXISTING IN GOOD CONDITION I CAN MEET THAT THAT WORKS FOR THIS DOES IT MEET THREE PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO SERVE LOCAL DEMAND?  I'M NOT REALLY SURE ABOUT THAT. I'M ON BOARD WITH NUMBER ONE.  I AM NOT ON BOARD WITH NUMBER THREE. COMMISSIONER COOKED IT.  THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I THINK WHERE I STRUGGLE WITH COLD OR ONE IS BY THE LETTER.  SURE THIS WOULD HELP KEEP EXISTING HOUSING IN GOOD CONDITION.  BUT THEN BUT DOES IT REALLY MEET THE BROAD INTENT OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO LIKE THEN EVERY AGE OR AWAY WE JUST UNDERFUND OUR AWAY AND THEN ASK FOR A TOUGH DISTRICT LIKE THAT'S NOT THE INTENT.  SURE.  COMMISSIONER SCOTT, JUST CLARIFY THE THE TIFF FUNDING IS BEING ESSENTIALLY IS A MECHANISM THE HRA TO REDUCE SOME OF THE COSTS ON THE TENANTS LONG TERM IT IS IT IS BEING RETURNED TO THE CITY ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THE TIFF DISTRICT IS SET UP IT IS A TOOL THAT WE'RE USING PROMOTE AFFORDABILITY IN THE LONG TERM BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BEING PAID TO THE RESIDENTS AND THEN NOT BEING PAID BACK TO THE CITY IF THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH.  YEAH. I THINK FOR ME THOUGH NUMBER THREE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S BEING BACK BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THOSE NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY CONTINUE PAY $400 A MONTH MORE IN THE LONG THAT'S QUITE A BIT MORE SO FOR ME GOAL THREE DOES IT IS SORT OF QUESTIONABLE OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACTUALLY MEETING IF IF THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY MEETING GOAL ONE FOR ME MEETS IT IN THE FACT THAT HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY IS AN ASSET AND IF WE DON'T KEEP THAT HOUSING IN GOOD CONDITION IT HAS A BURDEN ON TAX BASIS OVERALL LONG TERM AND ALSO HAS A BIG IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS . AND SO I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THIS MOVING FORWARD BY JUST BY KEEPING EXISTING IN GOOD CONDITION IS FOR ME WELL WORTH IT.  MR. COOKED CHICKEN IS MR. JOHNSON OR MRS. AVE OR SOMEBODY TO PULL UP THIS PORTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO WE CAN SEE A LITTLE BROADER CONTEXT OF GOAL ONE NOT JUST STRATEGY 1.4 YEAH CERTAINLY I MAY NEED TO SHARE MY SCREEN.  FORGIVE ME. ANYONE HAVE THOUGHTS? WHAT IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT EMBARRASSING ON THE FLY WHERE WE HAVE A QUORUM BUT WE HAVE SIX AND KIND OF I'M I TALLYING OVER HERE WE'RE LIKELY THREE AND THREE SO YOU KNOW THINK SO DO WE WANT TO DO A STRAW POLL I GUESS IS MY QUESTION AND TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE AS COMMISSIONER COOKED AND SUGGESTED BUT WE CAN DO IT UNDER THE DAIS. SO I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A STRAW POLL I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE OH TWO THEN TO THAT APOLOGIES I WILL DUST OFF MY ROBERT'S RULES BOOK  SO CHAIR ALBRECHT I'M PULLING UP THE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN I'LL TRY AND INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE FONT SO THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH AS WELL.  THE ONE THING I'LL MENTION AND WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS SOON AGAIN WITH THE 2050 PLAN BUT ONE THING I WOULD URGE YOU TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BROAD STROKES OF VISION, FUTURE VISION FOR THE COMMUNITY IT'S HARD TO ANTICIPATE EVERY INDIVIDUAL A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT OCCURS WITH RESPECT TO LAND USE AND HOUSING AT THE CREATION ONSET OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INTERPRET HERE IS DIRECTIONALLY AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE SOMETIMES STRATEGIES, GOALS AND ACTIONS DO RUN IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER. BUT THE ONE THING I'LL SAY HERE IS THAT YES, THERE ARE BROADER GOALS KEEP IN MIND ALSO THAT THERE ARE STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS THAT FALL BELOW THOSE GOALS.  SO WHAT I HEARD DISCUSSION ABOUT WAS AND WE CAN FOCUS ON GOAL 1/1 I KNOW THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE INITIAL REQUEST BUT I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ WHAT THE STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS ARE GO UNDERNEATH THOSE GOALS.  CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT OKAY SO GOAL ONE THAT'S BEEN CONTINUE TO BE DISCUSSED KEEP EXISTING HOUSING IN GOOD CONDITION THIS TALKS ABOUT RENTAL LICENSING COURSE OTHER ELEMENTS IT CERTAINLY APPLIES TO THE THE HOME LOAN REHAB PROGRAM THAT THE HRA CONDUCTS BUT THE OTHER GOAL THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IS GOAL THREE I'M SORRY MR. JONES IF WE STAY ON AND GOAL ONE THERE FOR A SECOND YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO GO ONE? YES, PLEASE. OKAY IF WE GO TO 1.1.2 IT WON'T BE THREE. YEAH .  NICK, YOU'RE KILLING ME. WELL, GLEN'S WHISPERING MY EAR TO KEEP GOING IN OTHER DIRECTION GET 1.2 ON THE SCREEN. 1.2. THANK YOU. JUST TO SPEAK UP, GLENN, IT'S YOUR LAST MEETING. HAVE AT IT  I THINK WE'RE MEETING I PERSONALLY THINK THAT STRATEGY 1.2 IS IS WHERE WHERE THE WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD ON THIS ONE I SHOULD SAY I THINK I AM SURE THAT THOSE RESIDENTS AND THE WHOEVER IS MANAGING THEIR A IS NOW HAS INCREASED AWARENESS ABOUT WHAT CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AND I WOULD JUST SAY RE-INVESTMENT EXISTING HOUSING THAT IS IF THE CITY IS GETTING EVERY DOLLAR BACK THE CITY I SEEM IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE WE ARE REINVESTING IN EXISTING HOUSING THAT HOPEFULLY WILL HELP US KEEP PEOPLE IN PLACE.  COMMISSIONER HOOTEN I'M SURE I'M SORRY BUT I, I INTERPRETED THIS AS PROMOTE REINVESTMENT NOT REINVESTING IN EXISTING HOUSING, PROMOTE REINVESTMENT SO THAT THINGS LIKE PROVIDE EDUCATION TO THESE WAYS, LINK PROPERTY OWNERS WITH TRAINING AND CONTRACTORS. TO ME THIS READS AS LET'S MAKE THESE IS GOOD AND ROBUST AND RESPONSIBLE SO THEY DON'T GET THEMSELVES INTO A MESS LIKE THIS. I THINK THIS PROPERTY HAS SURE BUT IF THIS IS THIS IS THE THIRD ATTEMPT IT SOUNDS THE THIRD ATTEMPT AT THE TABLE.  I THINK THAT THIS IS PROMOTING THAT I'M HOPING THAT IT WILL PROMOTE THAT. I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN I DEFINITELY THINK THE'S DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS WHICH AGAIN YOU KNOW MR. JOHNSON SAID THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS AND DIFFERENT CONFLICTING IDEAS HERE BUT IT FEELS TO ME. COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS CHAIR. I MEAN IN THIS STRATEGY THE FIRST BULLET POINT IS THE BULLET POINT RELATING TO WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL DO FOR THE PEOPLE IN ACTUALLY PROVIDING ASSISTANCE.  THE REST IS RELATED TO PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES.  SO IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO USE THE FIRST BULLET POINT IN FUNDED FIREARM WE JUST DOING THROUGH THAT I MEAN OTHERWISE I THE REST OF IT IS BASICALLY SAYING THE REST OF THIS STRATEGY IS BASICALLY PRIVATE CITIZENS ARE TO DO THIS ON THEIR OWN AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO EDUCATE THEM ON HOW TO DO IT.  COMMISSIONER GUPTA THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M SURE I AM NOT WITH THE HRA HOUSING REHABILITATION LOAN PROGRAM, IS IT? COULD YOU UPON THAT IS THAT ELIGIBLE FOR CONDOMINIUM COMPLEXES OUR COMMISSIONERS NO THAT IS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND IT'S FUNDED THROUGH VARIOUS SOURCES MOST PROMINENTLY CDBG WHICH IS FEDERAL FUNDING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD LOAN PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT ARE SET AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE AND HOMEOWNERS WHO MEET AN INCOME QUALIFICATION ARE ABLE TO APPLY AND RECEIVE ASSISTANCE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC NEEDS IT'S A LONG TERM LOAN I BELIEVE IT'S 30 YEARS AND IT BECOMES DUE UPON UPON SO AND NO ALWAYS ARE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS LOAN PROGRAM . SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TRACKS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES VERSUS AN AGENCY  JOB.  EXCUSE ME. SURE. I'LL WORK WITH YOU OR COMMISSIONER COACH YOUR REQUEST. DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE ON THROUGH THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES? COULD WE HAVE A QUICK LOOK AT STRATEGY 1.3  JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO CAN OR STOP OR IF YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE ON.  I THINK I'M OKAY BUT I'LL WAIT FOR OTHERS. OOPS I CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK TO I THINK THE IF IT'S OKAY I THINK IS IT OKAY IF I SKIP AHEAD TO GOAL THREE? I THINK THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE OF DISCUSSION .  CAN EVERYONE SEE THAT? OKAY.  OKAY .  HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT COMMITTING LOCAL FINANCIAL RESOURCES PRESERVATION AND CREATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WHICH ARE HOOKED FOR ME? MADAM CHAIR, I REALLY QUESTION WHETHER THIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING I THINK IT'S AFFORDABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RESPONSIBLE WITH THEIR ENJOY.  MY QUESTION IS IN THE END LET'S SAY IN TEN YEARS ARE THOSE STILL YOU MS. EIGHT THAT THEY WOULD STILL BE AT OR BELOW THE 60% AM I IS THAT CORRECT? YES, ACCORDING OUR ANALYSIS WITH THE INCREASED FEES OVER 80% OF THE UNITS WOULD STILL BE AFFORDABLE A THE 60% AMI LEVEL.  MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR . THEY SAY THE WHAT IS THE AVERAGE RENT FOR A TOTAL HOUSING PAYMENT WOULD BE THE BETTER QUESTION AT 60% AM I.  LET ME PULL UP THE NUMBERS HERE.  SO THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS RENTAL PROPERTIES AND FOR HOME OWNERSHIP AND MOST OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE OWNED BY THE.  THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THIS IS SO SORRY. I PROBABLY SHOULD REPHRASE MY QUESTION WHAT IS THE AFFORDABLE OR WHAT IS THE 60% AMI FOR A TOTAL HOUSING COST FOR A HOMEOWNER.  YES. SO THE 60% EMI WELL THE AFFORDABLE HOME PRICE FOR 2024 NUMBERS IS 217,400.  OKAY. SORRY. FOLLOW UP QUESTION. THANK CHAIR.  SO THE I GUESS DOES THAT EQUATE TO A SO THAT'S THE THE AFFORDABLE TOTAL AMOUNT 217,400 BUT THEN A MONTHLY COST GUESS IS KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IF THERE'S A YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO MAKES 60% AMI MAKES THIS MUCH A YEAR . RIGHT. YOU KNOW THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT FOR HOUSING IS THIS MUCH OF THEIR TAKE HOME PAY AND I'M IF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST CLARIFYING QUESTION.  YES I THINK FOR HOMEOWNERS CHAIR COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD ON THE MORTGAGE.  SO THIS THIS IS USING ASSUMPTIONS OF 6.5% INTEREST RATE FOR 30 YEARS MONTHLY PAYMENT 1371.  THANK YOU .  ALL RIGHT. I THINK TO MOVE THINGS ALONG WE'LL PUT THE MOTION BACK UP ON THE SCREEN, SEE WHERE WE'RE AT .  ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER WHITE I MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION FINDING THAT THE HEIGHTS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TIFF PLAN ARE AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BLOOMINGTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IS THERE A SECOND?  I WILL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED? NO, NO NO, NO.  THAT MOTION FAILS.  WE WOULD MAKE A SECOND MOTION. YES. GO IT MOTION IS THAT NOT GOING TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION EFFECTIVELY IS NOT ADVISED. YEAH I THINK WE HAVE NOT ADOPTED THE RESOLUTION SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY MORE THAT WE NEED TO DO VERY WELL I NEED MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. OH OKAY.  THERE WAS MENTIONED BEFORE IF WE DO NOT ADOPT A RESOLUTION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO POINT TO SPECIFIC AREAS OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IS THAT STILL THE CASE.  SO JUST INFORMATION WE WANT TO PASS ALONG L.A. MANAGER THE TASK CHAIR OVER I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF THE SPECIFICS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UNLESS MR. TASCA DISAGREES DOES NOT. ALL RIGHT, GREAT DISCUSSION. THANKS EVERYONE.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT. I AM FIVE IS A STUDY ITEM TO CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT 1219 DECEMBER 19TH PLANNING COMMISSION SYNOPSIS COMMISSIONERS WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE WERE COMMISSIONER WHITE COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER COOK TEN ABSENT WAS COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM MCGOVERN AND ISSA.  ANYONE WILLING TO A MOTION.  COMMISSIONER WHITE SO MOVED IS THERE SECOND? SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED IT AND ANY ABSTENTIONS I I ALL RIGHT AND THAT PASSES ITEM SIX IS A STUDY ITEM IT IS PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE AND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO PLANNING MANAGER MARK HOUGAARD WE HAVE A SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT  IT'S AUTOMATICALLY ON. OH GREAT.  SEE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DO YOU MEAN OVER HERE IN HONOR OF PLANNING MANAGER REGARDLESS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND IN A DISCUSSION EARLIER OR BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED WE WE TABULATED MAYBE OVER 700 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS OVER HIS TIME .  I WANT TO OFFER A RESOLUTION A RESOLUTION HONORING GLEN MARKEGARD FOR 29 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON PLANNING DIVISION AND BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION.  SORRY YOU HAVE TO PUT IT MORE IN THE RIGHT. I'M A HA THERE YOU GO CORRECTLY IT'S OKAY YOU KNOW I A LITTLE BIT IT MIGHT NOT BE OKAY WHEREAS THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION SERVES AS THE PLANNING AGENCY ON BEHALF OF CITY OF BLOOMINGTON.  AND. WHEREAS GLEN MARKEGARD HAS SERVED AS A DEDICATED MEMBER OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON PLANNING DIVISION FOR OVER 29 YEARS BEGINNING IN 1996 AND.  WHEREAS GLEN EXCELLED WITH THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON BEING PROMOTED TO SENIOR PLANNER IN 2005 AND TO THE POSITION OF PLANNING MANAGER IN 2011 WHERE HE CONSISTENTLY EXERCISED LEADERSHIP JUDGMENT AND PRODUCTIVITY FOR NEARLY 14 YEARS. AND. WHEREAS, WHILE SERVING AS THE FORMAL LIAISON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, GLENN HAS ONBOARDED TRAIN AND SUPPORTED OVER 25 COMMISSIONERS INCLUDING ALL OF US WHO HAVE SERVED ON THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION.  WHEREAS WHILE SERVING IN THE PLANNING MANAGER AND ACTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ROLES GLEN HAS MENTORED AND SUPPORTED NUMEROUS  PAST AND EXISTING STAFF, COLLEAGUES AND LEADERS ACROSS THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON ORGANIZATION INCLUDING HELP ON BOARD THREE PERMANENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND.  WHEREAS GLEN HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SHAPING BLOOMINGTON'S FUTURE FOR NEARLY THREE DECADES HAVING CONTRIBUTED TOWARDS THREE DECENNIAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES MULTIPLE DISTRICT AND SMALL AREA PLANS AND STUDIES INCLUDING THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN, PAN AMERICAN DISTRICT PLAN AND NORMANDALE LAKE DISTRICT PLAN AND THE REVIEW OF HUNDREDS OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. WHEREAS GLEN AUTHORED ONE OF THE FIRST AND MOST EFFECTIVE WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS ORDINANCES IN THE UNITED STATES AND HE HAS SERVED A PRIMARY ROLE NEGOTIATING OVER 15 WIRELESS TELECOMMUTING CASES AND LEASES ON CITY OWNED SITES RESULTING IN SUBSTANTIAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. BLOOMINGTON ESTIMATED TO NEARLY $10 MILLION TO DATE WHICH SUPPORTS BLOOMINGTON PARKS AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE ON AN ONGOING AND.  WHEREAS, GLENN SERVED IN AN ESSENTIAL ROLE CREATING AND ADOPTING THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY AND PRESERVATION ORDINANCE CHAPTER NINE OF THE CITY CODE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON A FORMAL INCLUSIONARY HOUSING POLICY SINCE THE ADOPTION THIS POLICY OVER A THOUSAND UNITS OF HOUSING AT VARIOUS DEDICATED OF AFFORDABILITY HAVE BEEN CREATED . AND. WHEREAS GLENN HAS HIS WORK THROUGH HIS CAREER AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL TECHNICAL ABILITY WITH A REMARKABLE LEVEL OF CONSISTENCY.  AND. WHEREAS, GLENN IS WELL-RESPECTED PROFESSIONAL MANY IN THE PLANNING PROFESSION IN THE TWIN CITIES ALWAYS PROVIDING IDEAS AND BEST PRACTICES FOR OTHER CITIES TO CONSIDER NOW THEREFORE MAY BE RESOLVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND REGULAR MEETING ASSEMBLED THIS HONORARY RESOLUTION IS PRESENTED IN RECOGNITION APPRECIATION OF THE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS MADE BY GLENN MCGREGOR DURING OVER 29 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, MINNESOTA.  DO I HAVE A MOTION SO MOVE CHAIR SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES  CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONERS WAS A VERY LONG RESOLUTION PROBABLY THE LONGEST WE'VE EVER HAD AND PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION.  IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU AND ACTUALLY ALL THE FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONS AS WELL THINK I'VE WORKED WITH OVER 70 PLANNING COMMISSIONERS OVER THE YEARS BEING HERE SO LONG I'VE SEEN HOW IMPORTANT THE WORK IS THAT YOU DO AND REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND VOLUNTEERING FOR THIS ROLE.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU.  WELL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AGAIN, MR. MCCORD PLANNING POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE YEAH CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS ARE OFFICIAL BUSINESS SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TWO FEBRUARY MEETINGS WE HAVE JUST ONE ITEM ON BOTH AGENDAS FEBRUARY 13TH A PUBLIC HEARING IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING 900 WEST 80TH STREET THAT'S THE ROOM RATE OH PLACE SYSTEMS SITE AND THEN A STUDY ITEM ON FEBRUARY 20TH SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN UPDATES COMING BACK FOR MORE DISCUSSION AND ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE WILLIAM BROOKS TONIGHT THIS IS ALSO PROBABLY ELIOT'S LAST MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. YOU'RE PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY ELIOT HAD A PROMOTION VERY RECENTLY WITHIN THE CITY SO NOW MOVING FAR FROM US JUST A FEW FEET FROM CURRENT SPOT SO WE'LL SEE HIM A LOT BUT MAY NOT BE BACK AGAIN BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE ELIOT BROOKS FOR HIS EXCELLENT SERVICE IN PLANNING AS PLANNING COMMISSION SECRETARY THANK  UNFORTUNATELY YOU WILL SEE ME AGAIN ALL RIGHT ANY ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION.  ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE THAT CONCLUDES THE JANUARY 30TH 2025 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION.  THANK YOU