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Going to call the meeting to order. 6:35 p.m. This is a regular session of the Wen Township Board of Education held for the purpose of transacting with procra board business in compliance with chapter 231 laws of 1975. The notice of this meeting was advertised in the Mars

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County Daily Record. Copies of the agenda of this meeting were appropriately posted and made available to the public. >> Mr. Bora >> here. >> Mr. Brena here. Mrs. Cabana. >> Mr. Chen. Mr. Mr. Hinger here, >> Mr. Johnson,

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Mrs. McBride, Mr. Mills >> here, Mr. Rosen >> here, >> also present, Mr. Superintendent Principal, we have >> Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. And then we're going to move on to Dr. Banero for a field service training on

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reference. Thank you for being here. You need one. >> Do you feel you need one? >> No, not for here. I mean, >> they're recording. >> Yeah. Good job. That's heat.

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I don't know what you did. Oh yeah. Excellent. Okay. All right. All right. Thanks. You ready? Uh so today we're here to discuss the planning facilities edition or

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improvements but also your referendum plan. So um it's going to be like an overview of roles folks the different roles of the people involved in in doing the work for the referendum. Uh we'll talk a little bit about planning for the referendum the process how to motivate

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community participation and how that all comes together. So I I do also want to say on on the front end that I recognize you're sort of well into at least a bit some pieces of this. So uh during the presentation I'm hoping that sometime yeah we're doing that. That's great.

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Maybe once in a while you say oh okay we can do that too. So it might be a little bit of that. Um yeah. Okay. So everyone has a role. These are all the different folks that are involved. It's you board of education. You have the administration here. Uh

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school in the district and you have your staff, community architects, on council, demographer, construction manager, public we just touch um the other stuff. So, uh the board's role is your role is

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to set the direction uh have the current policies in place. So, in taking into consideration that part of your planning might connect to something like class size. So if you're planning even if it's part of the rationale that class size you're going to exceed policy and

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therefore we have to delete this work. It's important to the instructional program. So if a policy says your class sizes need to be you know X but without the work in the referendum you're not going to be able to achieve achieve that. That's part of the equation. So

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policies come into it as well. Staffing program. Um also we're in charge of the timeline. We're in charge of establishing the size and parameters of the project along with the single funding. Keep community involved and informed throughout the process. That's a huge piece of it.

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And to approve the updated longrange facility plan of course each piece of it. So the role of the administration start with that one. Um we recommend the educational program. So, the educational expert is somebody who's maybe savvy

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about how what you're looking to do uh will address instructional needs and um also coordinate the input from district staff. So, the staff, you know, they they're involved as well because they're going to be living the results of it. You know, uh fingers crossed and their

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success in the referendum um initiative. And so, staff is uh their input is important. uh defining the scope of the project. It's also uh you know the role of the administration coordinating with the architect uh in the established estimate timeline is that timeline again

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and to make timely decisions throughout the process and communicate to all stakeholders. Communication is the ongoing theme throughout all of this. The role of the architect so we have our nine boxes. I didn't want to play that game that we played last time where I said can you guess because it's a little different. Um so we'll just go right to

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it. The architect is involved with developing coordinating options to meet programmatic needs of the district. Evaluates the sites where applicable. Reviews the plan with the administrative team. The board prepares estimated cost for the project. Uh present and explain

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plans and options to board staff. Prepare construction documents. Obtain the required approvals. Prepare the bid documents oversee construction. Uh so that's a lot for the architect. And then the roles of the demographer on the left and the bond council on the right. The

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demographer uh that may play into part of why you you feel you need a referendum in some districts. Uh you know the the demographers's report is what dictates the fact states. Um so that's that's part of what does

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and then present the findings to the community. Uh show explanation of how these projections are determined. Then there's the bond council providing legal advice through law process reduction of cost to the individual taxpayer which that's an important metric that

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people um certainly are interested in seeing put that into consideration what they are betting for their buck as taxpayers wording for the ballot which is super important how how the ballot question is worded and then uh

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sale of the bond as well that's the bond council Then the construction manager coordinates with state local reviewing agencies prepares the construction uh phasing and site plan assists individ clarifications and and agenda

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uh coordinates permitting overseas construction. That's all the roles. So now we talk about let's talk about the the tools for success. So um first of course you work backwards from the election date uh the date that

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you're going to vote um on the referendum and so that affects your timeline. Sometimes people just they do a backward design kind of thing. So if we're going to need to be here at a certain time then that that sets the app the end point for the the timeline and

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then um the info generally usually in this so the uh the information has to be 60 days notice in writing the intent to hold this special. >> Oh the shift is missing. Thank you. That's the way.

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Um, so what does the successful uh bond referendum include? Successful bond referendum includes strategic planning, early ongoing community engagement and strong district communications. Um,

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I mean it's it's a communitywide uh commitment and it's a big thing. So, um, doing the work and I see that you're already doing a lot of that work of helping the community know what we're planning to do and and the impacts positive impacts that, uh, it could

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bring to the district to the school is really important. So, you know, going over that regularly in meetings, etc. Uh, so what is the referendum plan? The plan is the it's the written document that reports and directs the objectives and strategies of the district working

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towards referendum passage. Uh I think that plan is also reflected in uh districts when districts are doing referendum that they uh have a web page often and that's sort of the same project purpose. Um it usually just

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reflects any kind of plan. So what is a good plan? uh huge it develops it's um developed collaboratively by the board of administration involves knowledge and understanding uh of parents citizens

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students and staff the way it involves their knowledge and understanding and needs uh of that attract uh it builds community so collaboration all those studies are important to humor

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communication so um the more the community is involved, the more everyone is involved, the staff, collaboration between the administration and the board, all of that builds a certain kind of momentum and community of course. People start wanting the same things.

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Okay. So, blueprint for success. So, we'll take a look at how we get to a successful company. So, a huge commitment. It's a it's good job. So, on top of all the other things that you do and that the

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administration does and the staff and all of that, um there's the heart that goes into every day working with the kids, the students, the staff that the same kind of commitment has to go into this um and I respect everyone who has

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to do this process um because there's so much involved on top of everything else we have to do. So that kind of level of commitment is uh imperative and uh the board seems to be committed to the process. Of course. Um that goes without

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saying. >> Yeah, sure. That means what as opposed to >> Well, you know, it's as opposed to So, I think if you had just hypothetically

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speaking, if a superintendent felt, well, we have the experts, we have the professionals, we've hired them, let them do their job. I think it needs to be deeper than that, for example. Um and similarly I guess uh there's a lot of pieces for the board to manage and I

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guess that could be a similar mindset. So um yeah I mean that's just one thing. Uh okay so tonight uh we'll we'll just walk through the fivestep process fair and form motivated positive participation.

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So the preparation part first you define the purpose outline then provide multiple opportunities for meaningful input participation parents and community doing that a lot. Um creating a public awareness of the need talked about that

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a little bit earlier and what needs will be addressed. Uh that that's kind of where the rubber hits the road. If I'm if I'm a person in the community and I'm going to vote on a referendum, uh I I will be motivated to know what the needs

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are certainly and and what the outcomes could be to address those needs. That's the whole point. You know, you want to get the community excited about what it means uh to the students and to the whole community to to the values of homes, everything. Uh relating the referendum directly to the district

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vision mission goals too. So, um, you know, typically your needs that would be addressed by, uh, a successful referendum would be also align in many ways to the district's long-term vision for

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the question of course and my apologies for what we made, but what was the previous discussion on creating a public awareness? >> I'm sorry. What do you like >> you said? Well, we discussed this before here. Create >> Oh, I'm sorry. Whereas I placed Oh,

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earlier in the Yeah, I said it was >> that >> I think I just referenced uh pretty quickly. What was the piece? Community. >> Oh, yeah. Community connection. So, I've been uh I've just been hammering that.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. Um so I >> did you go over anything specifically about how to create public awareness? >> No, not yet. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Actually, yeah, we started just a few minutes beyond. So, you weren't >> okay.

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>> Oh, okay. I did this the um the slide where you might have a board, but I'll catch up to that. >> Yeah, probably. I walked in >> and I'll send this and you can look at it and you follow me. >> Okay, that's >> absolutely.

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Okay. So, okay. So, what else is part of preparing? uh developing the cost, benefit analysis, study past patterns, voting volunteering, um get a sense of kind of work that needs to be done to get everybody to get as many people to

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vote as possible, identifying people that might be able to uh volunteer out in the community to get the word out to vote and to use consensus model to develop support that you know along the lines of internal as well as external.

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Okay. So it's going to be different in every district but uh another piece of preparing is to decide what kind of methods you're going to be using. So uh the standards, newsletters, websites, emails, newspapers, communicators,

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school events, um text for the Facebook, uh district social media accounts. Um, one thing that's uh it's not media, but there's also the idea of town balls and a lot of moving. So, um, I I think this is specific to

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media, but I don't want to lose sight of the fact that that's a really important connection between uh, you know, the folks in the district and the folks um, that might have questions and tours, those kinds of things. So I guess that wouldn't be appropriate for a slide on

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media, social media, but that that's as powerful I think as any of this. And then there's other communication opportunities. Yeah, that's where you see a little bit more. So the back to school nights, this is a lot of in more in personal inerson stuff, the parent

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teacher conference, meetings with district staff, and of course we have to be careful about what we mean by that. um especially if there are school funds that are funding um communication. So it's it's really uh typical and you certainly talk attorney as well um but

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it's difficult to get the vote out you know encouraging people to learn as much as they can get the vote out. So in a lot of those contexts it might you know it's safe it's safest to talk about u we want you to be an informed voter. We

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want to give you as much information as possible. Um there's a little bit more as to what individual board members it goes into that ethics thing a little bit. Um but for the most part uh it could be tricky depending on what's funding the communication but always

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it's important and it still gets the message across when you're saying we want to get you all the information so that we prepare to make a decision at the election in the right way. Um so there it is. Visitors hosting tours. Um, and it's it's factual. It's like here's

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what would happen. Here's what this facility would look like. Here's what this room will look like. Um, here's why it's needed. That's all legit. Um, sporting events, sport of education meetings like tables can be set up with information. We talk about the referendum, what the goals of it are,

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what the needs are. Um, but it wouldn't necessarily be, you know, oh, yes, but you wouldn't have to get the word out. Um, board of education meetings are really mentioning it there. Local access billboards and sign that depends. I don't know if that applies.

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Uh, okay. So, to inform those. So, uh, yes. So, informing people we that's sort of the overarching view where um, so emphasizing the stake that the community has in all of this. you know, what's the benefits for the community? Uh, well, that could be use

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of additional facilities. I've seen that in districts that I worked in when I was in education. Um, yeah, a a gym was built, a weight room in in our high school. I worked in the district and the community was allowed.

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was sort of like a YMCA extingu going to get something out of that as well. Same thing with fields and districts that are dealing with that. You know, if there's more field use, then that's a benefit outside of just the schools of our community. Um the quality of the education mentioned that a little bit earlier, they know that the

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facilities facilities do impact learning. um especially if there's you know situations where there's too many well too many students in the classroom or um the space can't fit

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that in there or just the needs of the students are not met in the spaces that are available. So um quality of education is something that uh to be shared as far as information is concerned. I mentioned you know the the real estate value itself um and then

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informing special groups too. So of course you have PTA for PTO you have the special education parents association band sports boosters uh former board members even government officials local and county um civic organizations senior

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citizens can invite them in uh or go to them too. you can find them in four, but you could also go there uh every week, you know, while they're uh having some kind of event and just a full night as well. Um religious organizations uh just

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it's show and tell for everybody is the uh just the back. So that's just of course it's always fun to have the dragon guy in there, but um I guess there it's sort of to again focus on the facts about the

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referendum, the needs, what it would look like as opposed to emotional appeals. I think that you know that keeps it more along the lines, you know, from an e ethics standpoint it's safer, but I also think it's appreciated. You know, you don't want to be sold on it so much as

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you want have all the information, make your own decisions if you're union member. Okay. What are the actual rules about that? So, I take we cannot we should not be saying

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we should guess. >> We should be saying here's what we need. Is that right or >> Yeah. Some it might be touched on this slide, but it's not it's in my head. So um as an individual board member, so for the fact I haven't done ethics with you

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at all. Um and so in when we do those presentations, the idea is a board member always has the right to speak on their own behalf. As long as they're not like we um speaking on behalf of only president can designate who speaks on behalf of the board. It doesn't really

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someone can designate. Um so the idea is and this to me is a little tricky too when I was reading up on this. might be here. I might just But the idea that you can say I would vote I'm going to vote, you know, I'm going to vote for this um that that's

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fine. It's just the idea of speaking on behalf of the whole board. Um or in your board capacity. So if you are attending something and even if it is just you, but you're there as a liaison at the board, that starts to get a little bit gray as far as like speaking on behalf

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of the board. Hey everybody, you should go yes. Um, so those are a little bit of gray areas. I don't want to frighten anybody from their first amendment rights. Um, but that might be something to go over a little bit more detail with the board attorney journey and all that. Um, I think that

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in the end I when in doubt I always recommend you go back to the idea I can speak on behalf of myself but I can't speak on behalf of the whole board. and am I currently in a situation where I'm acting in my board

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and if we can separate those which are challenging to do which is done um so great question uh consistent accurate messaging so yep um developing talking points can be

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impacted of course at that's why it's great for everybody to be on the same page everybody wants to the same message and we want everybody getting the same recipe. Uh develop key communicators. Um that means internally and if there are people out in the community that can

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also uh get the information out, you can uh be on the same page with that as well, but you have key communicators in the district. Uh frequently asked questions, you already have that up to be honest. So that's important to you know anticipate questions in case somebody's

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not able to attend the pool or or other meetings where it's discussed press releases scripts group phone contacts schedule meetings um council senior citizens civic organizations so attend those meetings or schedule some time um

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identify environment key groups uh but that the messaging is important that it's consistent so you know if if you are you know functioning and yeah if if you all have responsibilities if a few of you have responsibilities with the messaging

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important thing you stay in regular contact without me okay this is more of the just tax thing so um be careful to separate information from advocacy that goes back to your question uh all literature using taxpayer money

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must be accurate uh in neutral not a vote. Yes or no. That's really what links it to being careful about that. Um yeah, and so can't use records for campaign purposes. Um that I thought that was a little vague the first time I

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saw this in the presentation. So I looked into a little further, but that's mostly referring to is the idea that if you have student records and you can figure out a mailing list from that. I mean there are better ways to do that, but not through student records, right? Not through student records.

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um no literature that they give to students that promotes favors or opposes that that's important too. So while while the students are in school um you know maybe the staff need to know a little bit about that too that um you

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know students should uh but it should be promoted to students about question. >> Yeah. So a um a a video authority is considered uh student record. Correct.

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>> According to our attorney, it is. >> Well, then there you go. >> So if if we created a video of the kids in the gym, there's buckets everywhere. And it kind of accentuates the point that we need referendum and you know what it's like going into school during

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a hot day and all that. videotaping the kids with parent permission. Would that constitute uh using student records for campaign purposes like to advocate for a referendum? >> Uh what about um

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what about the next part where no literature can be given and I know this is about voting. I'm thinking about you know the referendum. Would would there be any gray area that we might step into where

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we're using students in like you know in the video again about them saying oh yeah we really need this and advocating for women and pushing boards for parents to vote a certain way we gray area

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>> if if they were on video saying hey you know we should vote yes it might appear as they, you know, they're surrogates to staff. So, I I want to look into that a little bit deeper for you and you can check with your attorney too attorneys.

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>> I see two things because you're talking about campaign. You can't go into Genesis and find everybody's addresses and then go a mail. So then you're using student records to to promote your your other part is you can give students and parents information literature but you

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can't have a thing that has a check box that has yes. So you have to be careful what you disseminate. I mean I I've my my own home district I remember back to school night they had student representatives out there. They were just handing literature. They weren't telling you how to vote. Hey we have a referendum coming

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up. Here's the So that's how you can use parenting. But you can't have them uh you know in the video saying you got to vote that's then public doesn't know where that's coming from that board is trying to promote promote the information not the vote.

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>> It's kind of a weird gray area because I know Chris Ben and I all went to the New Jersey school board's Atlantic City presentation on referendums. One of the key ideas was actually doing like artwork by the students to show the needs of the school and using it in

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pamphlets to get buy in and that's totally acceptable. >> So it almost contradicts this a little bit. Was that question directly uh well a question similar asked cuz you know >> it's a yes no it's not there's no

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nothing concrete but I remember Chris and I went to that presentation and it both resonated with us how nice it was that they had like an art contest for the children to get by and understand why their school needed to be a Thailand was like

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a different business school they my kids, >> you know, then with paintings around I don't know what I don't know if they make it to the children but they were doing or what they you know obviously

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they >> but that sounds almost you know you need a new roof and have fun >> they didn't have a little crayon saying please vote >> please vote yes but this is why we need a roof this is why we need classrooms cuz we're cramped in >> I do think there is >> there's a

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I think it has to do with purp and it's not. So I think that that's what student student records isn't perfect records. So anything that's not fura is not not like you can show student work that's not identifiable or you know there's other I'm not a I think

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that's what >> if you're going to do a mailing you mail out to the register voters in town. I think it was more like I think it was at least when I went to organization it was more like it wasn't like student work was being sent to all voters was

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like the parents get little art for their home backpacks that had no we're so cold today you know whatever they needed to to address the infrastructure I I will talk to a couple of our folks

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tomorrow and get back to you because I really want to know the nuances I think we Yeah, >> absolutely. So I want to see I I wouldn't want to contradict um what was said at workshop because you know those are you know those are folks who've been doing that a long time that presentation

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but at the same time I think it might just come down to not having students saying oh yes you know >> um yeah it might come down to staff I think illustrating the needs going back to John was saying yeah if that's a need it's a need this is what it looks like it's what it looks like

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and be reminded to vote not how Well, that's why I mean the way I' I've always seen it again as an administrator district and um and the whole bit uh you you

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almost lose sight that they're saying don't forget to vote. it it almost feels like uh advocacy but um you know it it's more it'sformational and you don't have to pretend that you know there's excitement in it that's

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fine but um directly to vote I don't think is the the one that's vote telling people to vote but not telling them how to vote because that's just democracy too uh you know I think it goes back to leaning on the whole ethics

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thing as the board members um But uh you know the idea that if your No, I don't think that analogy works. Um all right. So this goes back to that no public fun. If there are no public funds, if no public funds are involved,

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the board member may speak in favor. So this goes back to public uh of or against board members should be aware that the school ethics laws and local board policies will govern their public statements. So that was the explanation I provided for. It's that same kind of dynamic or that same kind of um

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protocol. And then in general, board members may express their opinions as long as they do as that just reinforces that individuals identify themselves as a board member indicating that their opinion is their own and not that of the board and the information is accurate and not confidential. And yeah, that's

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huge too. So even if you're talking about, you know, your own opinion within your first amendment rights, you'll have to make sure that you're not including uh anything that's confidential and that it ensures that private action does not compromise the rule. Yeah. Then there's

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this disclaimer. Again, this is what we show in our ethics presentation that if you're doing anything on social media, it helps to have a disclaimer. Um it's not necessarily a get out of trouble free card kind of thing, but the statement reads the following statements are made in my capacity as a private citizen and not in my capacity as a

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board member. These statements are also not representative of the board or as individual members and solely represent my own personal opinions. So in general, school boards and actually the ethics commission school ethics commission suggests or suggests that that appears on board members social media. Um, and

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but then what I would say is while that comes in very handy if someone's not sure of what they're reading on your, you know, on your, uh, post or on your, uh, profile. Um, because they say, "Oh, they mean this as themselves." So, I could see if someone scratching their

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head and saying, "Is this" and it's like, "Oh, yeah, probably not. They said this." But if it's obvious, and again, we there's a lot of cases people get um reprimanded by the commission, sometimes they censure. If it's obvious that you're um making a

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statement in the capacity of a board member and even speaking in some ways on behalf of it uh or that you that's that's where we Okay. So um motivate so we were talking before there's there's five.

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So preparing for an hour motivated green and then we'll go back foster participation. Okay. So um motivating folks emphasize the community stake in the process. Talked a little bit about that earlier about what the benefits are. What's in it for me? I've never anyone ever seen

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that W. That's why I I looked it up and what's in it for me? That's not like not in my backyard like everybody knows that. Hey. Yeah. So anyway, what's in it for me? That's important. You know, people then

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they have to sleep in um and certainly uh successful referendum does benefit everybody, but folks do have to back it does cost. Um answer all the questions and respond to all criticisms as soon as possible to

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build credibility. Um, another part of presentations we often do is how valuable your the faith your community has in they for you to be here. Uh, every time you have a meeting and you function well, that's another way of showing the community that you

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care and that you want to be professional and that they can count on you, they can count on you, that kind of thing. So, all that goodwill is so that you can do the things that you know need to be done. You can do the oversight that needs to be, you know, the oversight you need to do. quality. But

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all of that really comes into play. You've been building that goodwill and they can rely on you. They have confidence in you. Now it really comes to play when you really go out there and start talking about money or friendly. Um so along with that is it says, you know, respond to all criticisms as

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possible. Not everybody's going to be happy about it and there might be people that beat the drum regularly, but just honor that as democracy, I guess, or or just rights of everybody to you're going to vote yes or no and they can keep their cases. So we honor it um and we

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answer any questions that we can and uh we do it in a timely fashion. Individual personal contact works best. Again, you know those interactions where people come in for tours um and information sessions uh and also in uh situations

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where you're able to do that as well. Um focus on the positive. So yeah, if there's any negativity about what about this and that kind of thing, you can keep coming back to the positive. You want to address any kind of negative perception, but certainly keep coming

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back to the positive. Use strong facts to motivate people example of a strong fact. But um you know I guess like if it were I don't know just the class size example again where we don't we don't want to

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exceed our policy on class size or you know this would improve. So if it were science labs for example um our science program would improve you know we'd be able to have students who want to be doctors go to you know schools that are more appropriate for that. So those

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kinds of things um are powerful that there's the fostering of participation. So go vote. Notice this is so vote yes. Um so uh I think John mentioned voter registration probably not a vote registration drive but um you

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can do voter registration drives and it can even include high school kids uh people who are going to be 18 uh you know voting age volunteers can gather uh emails absentee ballots reminding people that if they're

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not going to be around that absentee ballot um can reinforce the yes decided. Um, again, you don't necessarily want to tell them how to vote, but you want to reinforce with the folks that you, you know, you can pretty much count on that

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you expect to uh say yes, reinforce it with them. And then if there are folks that might be on the fence, you know, it's tough to change people's minds completely. Um but if there are people that are undecided certainly the more information they get um the better

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informed they'll be and there's a chance they may vote constantly if they feel they're informed. All right. So to put it all together to who when, why, how, how often need to do uh the idea of constructive. So this is

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where early in the so when I started I I said something like you're already on your way in a lot of in a lot of this. So we're affirming some things and we might be discovering a few things, but this is what a plan would look like. I have a feeling that most of this is probably already in place for you, but

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since it's here and since I'm here, I I'll walk over that you construct the district referendum plan based on the needs and inputs from all state. So that's part uh define and determine responsibilities of implementing and administering the plan. So who's in

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charge of the plan? Develop timelines for implementation and then um evaluate. So include an evaluation process, what worked well, what did not. that's actually talked about almost like and we'll see after the fact. So, uh that's

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not part of but that's just the reflection part of the plan. >> But I think we could evaluate what worked well or what didn't. >> Yeah. And I know >> that's a good point. >> And you have so and you've done a lot of surveys in addition to the tours.

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You're in good shape with all this. Uh there's the evaluate. So assess and revise if necessary as appropriate evaluate after the vote whether successful or not. So again we we have been there what work well if anything you wish we had done and then always

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thank everyone who contributed you know I mentioned it just a few minutes ago but even if you know even if it's not successful and that's that's a tough pill to swallow um still did everything we could you have a a community that had a had a right to vote the way they voted

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and also get the information that they received and anybody who contributed who wasn't you Um it was a good cause and everybody worked hard and they needed to be thank as well and then we keep just doing the good business that you're doing as a board and the community um

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you know we'll continue that faith in communication is about building relationships. Um we say that all the time and we're always board representatives like myself that know build relations with the community. Communication is important. this is like

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um next level type stuff when it comes to referendum. So all the opportunities you have and hope that all the listing we could possibly muster you know uh that's a part of that you know can make you successful and it communication

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defines the success of the organization be loud about communication uh develop collaboratively helps because then everybody's got to be buying from everybody um and today financial times it's a little bit cliche but it's true it'd be difficult to pass the district

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referendum you know, without a solid plan. So again, the confidence of the community comes through with that too. They know what they're talking about, right? They they know what they're doing. That that's a very well thoughtout plan. Look, they have these experts here and they present each one of them has presented

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some, you know, things to that effect. But the more confidence they have in the plan, uh, the more likely they are to go positive for directly. So, we have we have uh time for questions and discussion at your discretion and and um I'll try to answer anything I can, but I

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will absolutely get back to you with things that I can't because for a while I'm a generalist when it comes to those boards and I've lived through referendum on on the side administration but uh not inside of the >> I'm just wondering is there is there

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like a standard default suggestion for the different modalities and communications that successful school board referenda have taken. So for example, is it a standard thing that the board will send out a mailer to every registered voter with information?

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>> Is it a standard practice for the board to have a social media account and like provide information regularly on that? Because we have a lot of information in board meetings, but sometimes if it if it's on Facebook or Twitter or something like that, maybe it gets a little bit more eyeballs in like smaller chunks. I

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was wondering what is a a standard New Jersey practice on right there. >> Right. Well, I I'm I'm willing to do that dodge, but then I'll do better. The dodge is every district is different. They have their communications set up in a certain way, but I can do better by uh

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poking around for some best practices. Um at the same workshop that you you attended, there was a presentation by a district who successfully reset really this was more about their budget. um wasn't so much about facilities, but

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uh at any rate, they went to go like twice in a row explaining that all the programs that they had to be cut over the years. Um we're uh this is where we're at. We're subpar in a district that, you know, families and community expect more and they did such a really good job with

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that. They presented awards on that. So that's a presentation I can take a look at. It's not the same as yours, but it's the same concept of communicating with the public assessment. There was even an article in our school winter New Jersey school board association magazine on

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that. So that might be helpful because I actually worked for that superintendent and he was incredibly savvy at a lot of things and also genuine and sincere. So um but communication is everything. >> I would love to see that because we're at a junction right now where this board

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needs to figure out are we going to hire communications professional? We hired one last time. Um are we going to do some of these things ourselves? I mean >> that that's tough because it's a lot of stuff in pieces here has all volunteers

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who have that time have that requisite knowledge on the communication programs referendum but I would love to know kind of any you know best practices not just on like the types of communications but

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what you would like other districts too. Are they hiring communications professionals? Do they hire them in regulated capacities? They go through a a website, a mailer, I mean something else and then there's more of a grass effort on the board itself. It's

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combination. Um we didn't do a lot of grass effort type of things the last few >> things were closed. >> So we didn't do a lot of that last time. So I could see the value add to that but

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I can also see the struggle of some of these bigger certification types of um items struggle some so I would love to kind of any kind or

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like you said article that's really what our facilities committee is going to address us next and we need to be able to make informed decision and recommendations to bring it back into >> we have a lot running on this you know

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so we don't want to we don't want to say yeah we're going to do it this way and then we realize two months down the road we should hire professional here in >> so that's kind of a Yes.

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Want to just end by saying we have lovely students here. I saw that on your website. Um, I figured if it's on your website, it's okay to pick up, but there's kind of a thing that the field have to do when you present it somewhere, you'll name it and let me know what that look like. I'd love to

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know the story. I guess that's on Instagram. >> Visiting day. >> Oh, okay. Oh, it's a shadow. >> So, great. Um, I'll do the followup as we discussed in uh

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inspection. >> Well, you're here since we're all together, but it's much easier to arrange together. I think you're coming back again to do the evaluation, right? I don't know if it confirms that. You guys

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>> I know but I don't know whe that it sounds like it would be good for us to do an ethics check again the next one. >> So you know you said at least we can get you while we're all together and have punch your calendars if that's okay. Uh,

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sure. >> Our next meeting is May 20th and June 17th. >> May 20th and June 17th. All right. So, Oh, I have you I didn't put down. No, you said 17. I

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have down for 6 o'clock question mark BSC retreat. So that's but so typically when we call it a BSE or sheet so that's the the board self evaluation that's the after the aftermath. >> Yeah.

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>> So that would mean you've done it. >> Oh wait so let's it's a Wednesday. >> So it is that you mentioned you said that's your board meeting. >> Definitely. >> Yeah we did this as >> Yeah. I think it's easier than trying to

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do a weekend or a week day earlier if doesn't work schedule. >> Here's what it could look like. It can be an hour and a half to get that done for two hours. We did an hour and a half the last time I was here. And what it would be is I would go through the compilation with you and it shows you your how your self-ealuation was

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cumulatively expressed. And then I go through that with you and I say here are the things that you know that came out rated high. Here are some things that maybe you want to work on. And then you can have like a preliminary discussion about goals. Uh you don't necessarily have to do it. Some people will do them right on the spot. Uh people can

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brainstorm a little bit together on that. Um but we can we can talk more. I'll just make sure I'm here. But in the meantime, we would want to get the BSC done. Um so I haven't been in to show you that. Um,

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you know, I was going to say I have it, but you probably move forward anyway. It would take about 20 minutes and so I could potentially come back on May 20th and do a real quick orientation. >> If you have it open,

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>> then you would have to move quickly. So meaning we would open up the portal >> and then you'd have like 3 weeks to do it and then it would compile it. It does have to go through a quick process of redactions. uh I could so when I do that presentation on May 20th I'll let you know that um part of it will be try you

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know avoid mentioning staff uh directly that's a personnel matters will be a public document um but aspect >> from last year process >> no >> so it would just be more I think for us

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more reinforcing the best practices we going through I think we went through the training last year too but we have and we a few people. So I mean we also have an April 29th meeting but

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that a little bit heavy I think three weeks example don't you all >> you have to do >> you just have to do it before July 1. Okay. >> Do you use the schoolboard tool for that or you just do your own

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>> so another thing you could do then if you wanted can do the whole thing well. Okay. So on May 20th, I become a I can do that was the superintendence orientation on the superintendent evaluation in 20 minutes

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and then even the BS can do that depends on just and then if new folks I can always do like a phone call over Zoom if they wanted to reinforce. It's pretty straightforward. You log in and you just follow along. Um, so did we do that? And

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that would be under an hour on May 20th. >> 6:45 on the 20th, right? >> I will probably be late to that as a heads up. Sorry, it's 6:30. >> Still doesn't help. Um, what I will do is though I will make the break in the

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meeting. Um I did absolutely follow up but I've done luckily done self evaluation before >> okay >> just giving you all >> and then the June 17th we said 6 p.m. Does that suit everyone? That's right.

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>> What would be on dream >> as a retreat? >> Did you think the goal of >> what would you say is the goal? >> I was put forget the goal of a retreat >> the retreat connected to the um

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>> yeah so the review of your compilation leading towards your board goals for next year. Um we and but you wouldn't have the pressure of having to have them publish a whole but you might have the time to do it and uh you know so the BS the

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we don't have to call it a retreat unless you want to um the compilation that can take like 30 to 45 minutes depending on how much you dig into it. So it's going to be a lot of information about what you felt about the board uh how the board is functioning and then so that usually takes about 40 45 minutes

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even for me to just present what >> yeah and then sorry I'm talking and then um and then whatever however long it takes to have the discussion about it and what you want to do with that information. >> Then do we have a regular meeting right now? you want to say?

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>> Well, that has to be that has to be a public meeting. If you're on meeting board, right? Anybody can sit in and watch you do that. >> So, I'm just trying to get an idea of time. >> We used to do we used to do that 6:30. I I agree. Six

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years ago, >> I see when the portal was open, everybody entered the things in, you know, kind of pro people and get it in and then Charlene came back to go through all the results. >> Proactive proactive way

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and then she came back and she just walked us through >> um at 6:45. >> Yeah. >> June 17th both. >> Correct. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. It's very hard to hear you all

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this June 17th and 18th. Is that >> June May 20th and 17th? >> Okay. I thought I heard June 18th earlier. >> 625. >> Yeah, I I think I did 645. Okay. >> I did I do want to just u So May 20 is

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open up my phone. I almost always carry my my Bible as far as >> Yeah. So I almost always have this but don't want to just turn around all my So I'm just putting that out as well 90 to 95% sure you just want to say that so

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that you're not going I can't believe you. So that kind of thing. Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> Ready? There's no student rep here. So, I have

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a motion to approve board items one through six. Second. >> Any questions, comments, it's a question on the adoption of business one and six. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> All those opposed say no. Any

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abstensions? Okay. So, any new job? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All good. >> Good. >> Uh, facility facility wise, uh, we had several projects that we completed over spring break. Um, replacement of three

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sideswalk areas under the bus. We're having pretty cracked up my intended to do. That was done. on the bus overhangs. All the planting beds were remulched. We're getting ready to do some planting as well. We reconditioned the salt wall

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field go firm came in and they did the test pouring. They also did the ground penetrating radar. >> They got it done on the break. They came in for two days um over by the softball field and then in the back. And actually everything we thought was under there

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was there. Actually, they found two uh two pipes that we didn't know were there that are heading out as far as drainage pipes. Um and they did their test porings, but they also did test pits. They actually had a backhoe and they pulled out probably 6 ft deep. So, uh I haven't seen any results, but they did

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do that. Uh several lights. >> I don't know. I'll have to follow up with the architect, but they had just finished up on that Friday. Spring break last week. >> Yeah, they they finished up on Friday. Um, we also had several lights out in

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the lower gym. Electrician is actually here now replacing some of the fixtures and actually we're going to try um took the ballast out just a change of LED bulbs rather than going through the expense of uh changing all the ballast

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and we had a rental lift for there. Uh the amended long-range facility plan has been submitted to the department of ed is being currently reviewed and the architect is finalizing the referendum project applications and they should be ready for signature that the board

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president superintendent myself uh probably in about a week. Um the budget has been submitted to the county uh on March 27th. I've been communicating back and forth with the county uh business administrator and we're waiting for the budget to be approved. Our public

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hearing is on April 29th and the deadline for the county superintendent to come through the final approval was actually March is April 20. Um getting ready for the fall the school board's conference. Um

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I'm again going to book the whole board so that you everybody has availability of any literature that goes on. uh they opened up the hotels and I actually had I booked them the first day for one of one of the hotels sold out totally. So if you're interested in going in the

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fall, the dates are October 19th through the 22nd. Please let me know and I'll start cancelling hotel room and such. Um and the last piece I have is the financial disclosures. Thank you to everybody who got it in and I submit

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them all up to the uh securities and exchange commission that all >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Okay. Uh we're just coming off of parent teacher conferences, spring break, and the end of the mark. So,

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welcome back everybody. Uh, one thing that we're going through right now is, uh, advertising for the BTF fundraiser that happens once every two years, the big golf outings. So, I just want to give props to the foundation for pushing forward for that and encouraging people

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to uh, try to attend that. We had a CPA uh, parent presentation prior to the break. It was on ADHD was very well attended, a lot of robust conversations. And out of that conversation came parent date night because we find that our parents who have students or children with special needs would have a lot of

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energy. Those parents may need some time to recharge together. So we opened up two nights here at RBS so that those parents can drop their kids off and those parents can recharge together. Uh we have two high school volunteers that are going to come over and help us babysit along with my own daughter.

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Right now we have 20 slots for each night. April 23rd and May 14th. And the first night has about 10 slots filled and five slots filled for the next uh next session. So any parents out there who want to have some recharging going on together without the distraction of

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kids, please feel free to sign up. It's on our website. Um pretty soon we're going to be doing a presentation. We're talking about uh criteria for entering certain math tracks. Uh so keep an eye out for that. Uh we've been uh given a lot of compliments by our New Jersey state representative for the all

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inclusive education grant uh representative for our collaborative practices and evidence of differentiation uh announcement here. We have one unused emergency day uh that will be given back to the district for the students and

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parents on Friday May 22nd. And if you take a look at our referendum tab on our website, we have updated presentations, survey results, and research that to support our needs. And there's also a tab that has my community connection or

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rather a link from my uh link community connections for the next couple months. And I'm going to go on to our nominations. >> Thank you. >> So nominations. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh for the Falcons of the month for April,

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congratulations to the following students for soaring high with her strong character and academic effort. For fifth grade, Caroline Takis. Sixth grade, Jake Pettinger. Seventh grade, Anthony Shelingo. And eighth grade, Aaron Mills.

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Flying high in fourth grade for March. This certificate is awarded each month to recognize students who display a variety of outstanding character and within the classroom. Congratulations to Joseph Ponty, Kendall Luchiano, Luis Chanel, Stella Seminario, Victoria

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Gibson, Audrey Lowski, and Vinme Shabolski. Congratulations to our RVS Falcons that were fought soaring. As you all know, our head program here is S O A R S showing respect on their actions and a

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acting safely and are reaching for excellence. Those students that were caught soaring were Brena Bersie, Michael Curran, Maria Victoria Perez, Lonnie He, Jack Galloway, Dominic McCreditin, Leon Yousef, and Anthony

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Shellingo, David Brooks, Evelyn Chen, Rosa Juliano, and Daniel Daniel. For third grade, our students uh work that are that's um spotlighted. This is exemplary work by students in preschool

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through third grade and is displayed in the lobby on a monthly basis. Brianna Ambrose, Sabina Bell, Natalyia Bey, Yasim Khan, San Gos, Carly Engin, Delaney Castella, Liam Ellers, Myra

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Sarov, Neil Ding, Yvon Saptoa, Evelyn Matthew, Maddox, Mckenzier, Rosley Aon, Johan Deraldo, Elizabeth Long, Charlotte Ellers, Tina Buo, Emily Weber, Dexter

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Predator, Zara Ibec, Leif Agahim, Emily Chen, Lonnie Key, and Lily Tacos. And thank you to the PTPF for our talented students, dedicated parents, and baby staff for making Matilda the musical such a tremendous success. Your

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hard work, creativity, and support to the book, Productions for Life, and Bravo to all who were involved. Congratulations to our third grade uh students, teachers, and families for a wonderful and successful cultural event. Your enthusiasm, creativity, and collaboration made a truly meaningful

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experience for all. Thank you for celebrating and sharing such a special learning opportunity. And that concludes these two accommodations. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> You all have seen correspondences 1, two, and three. So that brings us to open session number one. The first public comment period will be limited to

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to 5 minutes. I do have one question here 24 drive. What is the do what is the timeline for referendum to you guys when you want to get it the referendum

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potential referendum? What is your timeline for one to bring it to the public? top line. >> So, u Mr. Murray, please just presented on some of this. The long range facility plan was already

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submitted. They're working on the New Jersey Department of Education applications. I think we're tending to be targeting May for those to be uh submitted. The state then has up to 50 days to review them. Then we had you

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talked about some April dates. um April 29th. >> Okay. April 29th is the uh public hearing on the budget. >> Okay. Not this um then June we're going to have public presentations.

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>> Okay. July we hope to have the what's called the PE which is the approval letter. Um if we accept that and then there'll be a resolution authorizing submission of bond proposal by mid August. Then we'll and these are subject

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to be fine tuned. >> That's not the 150 days. >> Again, we're going to fine-tune these dates once things start moving, but that's why I'm saying by date August with education will provide um their final eligible cost information. So,

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what's being subsidized, county and municipal officials will receive the certified board resolution. And then September, October, there'll be additional public presentations. And then the election date is scheduled for November 1st.

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Thank you. Yasa 129. I'm going to speak to the facilities cuz that was like part of the report. And is there any plan to pick up the litter on the like throughout the school front part of the school

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especially in the entrance driveway that everybody comes in? Uh, I wasn't aware of the land that we had the grounds to things like that. I wasn't aware. >> No, there was garbage. >> We'll take We'll take We'll take a look.

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A lot of times the animals will pull them out of the dumpster, but we'll go through there. Make sure it's all >> Thank you for months. >> Months. Um, >> where exactly is it? >> When you come in from Glen, right? >> Okay. All right. Both sides. both sides.

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>> We'll send them out. >> Thank you for bringing to our attention. >> I have a question. That's just facility. >> I don't you know, we'll talk about facility later after what? I just want to know if anyone's going to fix the front circle

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that's on anyone's list at all. Making the screens look nice. Not the first time I brought this up. Thank you. >> Okay. Leaison reports Florida. >> All right. It's been a while since we have an update. So bear with me here.

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You mean you have um the new turf field that was affectionally known as the pit. It's been named after ceremony for that. They actually just reopened the field time this week. Um the interm this was on the March 2nd meeting. Like I said, it's been a minute

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since I gave an update. uh provided a budget update at that point in time. Um went through the number one item they're seeing is increasing the budget is healthcare. More on that in a second as I go through. Um they're including additional law enforcement in the

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budget. have an office in each uh of the building that um and I think they're looking at about a 60% increase here over um next meeting which was

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the 16th yeah 16th um they acknowledge this is this is good thing for RBS too they acknowledge their uh Mount Lakes unsung hero was um uh uh Bo Morgan, formerly an

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RBS student. So, nice recognition from the Lake Drive school. Um been a nice recognition for him. Uh speaking of Lake Drive, uh Mrs. Lazaration, who runs the Lake Drive school, gave a great um presentation on community connections

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and how they connect in the school. Uh so, it was well done. Kudos to them. They did a formal bud budget presentation at this meeting. Um, and they saw a 40% increase in employee members. It's the number one thing driving up their budget. Everything

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else, they were able to make it work. Um, but if it continues, not just not all school districts across New Jersey are going to have massive issues and how they're going to maintain the budget. So, this is something to get done at the

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state level. Um, They didn't have any new positions except for the SLEOs that they're hiring. That piece facilities update the turf is done. Uh they're looking at window replacements. Uh they have uh bidding

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for the best fuels update. Um they move to contracting snow for the step crew do it at um Mr. done review outsourcing. >> Um

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that's it. >> New Jersey school boards. >> Um so the first one >> uh the only thing mentioned is the delegate assembly on A16.

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Um we haven't attended that and virtually or signing up. I think it's just involved in school May 16th. I'll talk to you.

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>> Is there is there a virtual component? >> There's a virtual non- voting component and in person. >> I'll look on that. I we'll talk and I'll look up. >> Thank you. Mars County School Morris County School Board's last meeting of the year is on May 6. It's at 6 p.m. and

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it's at West Morris Men High School. The topic is celebrating successes in honoring service. It uh will award students will be awarded uh scholarships. That will be one topic. The other is Morris County School Board members will

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be recognized for service awards and then also overall board member certification awards. >> Educational services commission. >> Thank you. Special education care and advisory group. in the 12 hour, please.

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>> Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. Mr. Patini updated us on what the special education parent advisory group did in the past. They had an ADHD presentation recently and then as a result, they had the uh two nights that they offered for for parents to drop their children off that date night.

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Uh I'm not not aware of any other upcoming events at this point. >> I just want to say I attended that event and I thank you very much for that event because I thought it was super helpful. >> Thank you for the feedback. Okay, so Township Education Foundation Jeff is

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not here. Do you have any updates? The fall crowding. Um I can't think of anything else that's out there right now. Anybody? That's it, right? Okay. So, the home and school association, we met last night. Uh, the big thing coming up is April

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21st, 6:00 p.m. There's an upper band current concert with the art social and ice cream social. So, that's about it in terms of HSA right now. Township of anyone this back updates. Okay, hold on. Township.

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Uh the Rockaway River cleanup event is this Saturday at 10 a.m. Anyone interested uh they'll be meeting at 31 Rockway Drive. Uh and the green team continues to work towards silver certification from sustainable Jersey. We currently have bronze certification.

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Uh going through the types of events that we already that we already do as a township that goes to that gets points towards certification and plan more events through the year. Thank you. And now we're on to

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committees facilities committee report. So in addition to the timeline, we only have one to do right now is that our next meeting is on May 4th and by you may not need one for that. Uh

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that topic starting on thank you so much. So we'll start with the finance committee report here. Anybody have any news? >> No, you meant last meeting, right? >> Right. >> Okay. And and the next April meeting is

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our budget presentation. >> April 29th. >> April 29th. >> Public hearing. >> Great. So the question is on the adoption and finance motions 1 through 8. May I have a motion, please? >> Second. >> Second. >> Any comments, questions?

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All those in favor say I. >> I. All those post say no. Any abstensions? >> Um personnel personnel committee met on Monday April 13th. We discussed in detail personal motion 1 4678 and also part of this is five. We also talked

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about the possibility of a teaching training that may be offered this summer and also the director of special services and just talking about this general staff. >> Perfect. Thank you. May I have a motion

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to approve personnel motions 1 through eight? >> Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Any question, comments, or discussion? Go >> ahead. If you can't answer it for personal motion B uh does that change a

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request or not? And and same question we need to hire. >> Well, two questions. Was that change the result of the teacher or a different motivation? And then second question is do you have to hire replacement?

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>> Um the first one uh first question we can say that it was mutual and the second question would be um we have someone else.

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Okay. >> So the question is on the adoption of personnel motions 1 through eight and it's a roll call. >> Mr. Ba. >> Yes. >> Mr. Brandon. Yes, >> Mr. Hinger. >> Yes, >> Johnson. >> Yes, >> Mrs. McBride. >> Yes, >> Mr. Mill. >> Yes, >> Mr. Rosener. >> Yes,

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>> Mr. Program Committee. >> Program met on Thursday, April 2nd. All were independent. Um, so we discuss the use of pipeline uh system for our absence management uh system. We'll do a

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good discussion around that takeaways back to us. But um the to discuss the 26 27 calendar um any updates that

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here um a discussion on an AI plan. Um speaking of which they um are looking at training in accordance with AIP AIP and training in accordance with AI policy plan AI in the state acquiring policy

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which I know links is working on a lot of talked about upcoming uh enrichment opportunities for different challenges. Um we talk uh at length at the math course criteria, the sequencing of math,

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what that uh criteria should look like. Um so we'll come to that. Um a little bit about the RTI team going workshop uh to help students health services. Um and then finally um an update looking the administration was looking to make

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positive updates and reamp. Did I summize that? >> You did a great job. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Policy committee. >> And governance. >> We've not met this year, but I think that we should

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email. >> Thank you. Open session number two. The second public comment period will be open to any topic. Please be mindful that public comment periods are available to enable the public to give comments and feedback to the board. Personal matters and day-to-day operations are not appropriate subjects

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for board meetings. These can always be most effectively resolved with the appropriate staff members or administrators according to the chain of command concept. Questions may need to be directed to the appropriate school personnel or or through email. Please state your name and address for the

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record. All comments open questions again. Uh so Mr. Eller, do we have a certified replacement for him? >> Mr. Eller, that's going on. >> It's an intermittent.

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>> So it just says, is it a substitute or is it a >> It would be on an asthma basis. It's not like >> Oh, he's not going permanently for two months straight. Okay, got it. Thank you. And then just to go back to because I just said it briefly about the circle,

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how it appalls me every day. I walk through this pool because we walk from here every day and there's ruts all over the place from I don't know why a bus needs to park there. We have a lot of parking around. Um you park on the other side of the stones, but I I think we

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really need to look at the overall look of the school as far as that's presentation. That's you come in, this is what you see. at one school. 20 years ago, we took out the dead shrubs. They've never been replaced. I get it. That's okay. Still looks nice and clean,

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but that just looks a mess. Uh you just I wish someone could just take a look at it and really see how we could add some dirt, throw some grass seed, whatever you need to do, but it really it's not a nice look for the >> When you walk through uh was it in the

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morning or the afternoon? I I like to meet up with you. We can walk it together and look at >> 8:30 tomorrow morning. >> Sorry. 8:30 tomorrow morning. >> Well, you can catch catch us on the way back at like 9:15 trail.

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>> I'm not sure what we're going to do tomorrow morning. >> We're going to catch you one day after this. >> Mr. You can send us. >> I'd like to hang out with you. I'll I'll email you or you going to email me and we'll connect that one

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morning and then we'll walk through. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I I can say that Broadway circles came up in multiple times when we're talking about referendum in the house. It has been discussed >> and you've known me for 20 years and

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I've brought it up every year I think. >> So, and what what do you want to big yellow bin? >> Do we make money off of the yellow bin out there? as we >> we did. >> Okay. Can we find another spot for it and still make money off of it?

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>> Um, >> all about appearance. >> Yeah, that's been that's been brought up as well. We'll take a look at that >> because people do unfortunately they do park stuff there that doesn't work and then because one person sees something

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then everybody else decides, ah, it's okay. I can dump all the old news. It says close. >> Yeah, that's a problem. >> Well, it's so close. >> Yes. Yes. >> Thank you.

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>> Any old business? New business. All right. So, we have a closed session this evening. So, may I have a motion to enter into executive session to discuss issues that warrant confidentiality as present in the open public meeting act

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chapter 231 of the laws of 1975. These matters may or may not be made public when the board reconvenes. They will be made public when the confidentiality of the subject. Okay. Uh no longer warranted warranted. So the topic thank you are student

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matters student residency and we will not take any further action when we exhibit. >> So may I have a motion? >> Second. All those in favor say I. >> All right. Okay. Any other board action?

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>> We have a motion to make that motion. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. I.