--------- THE IT WAS BRIAN WERE OUR DISTRICT FOUR CITY COUNCILOR AND I'M THE CHAIR THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL THE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS.
TODAY IS NOVEMBER SIX, 2025 THE EXACT TIME IS 10:01 A.M. IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025 MODIFY SERVE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPEN
MEETING LAW AND LIVE IN PUBLIC BODIES THE SAME REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC BODY CONDUCTS CONDUCT ITS MEETINGS IN A PUBLIC PLACE THAT IS OPEN AND PHYSICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE
CONDUCTING THIS HEARING VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED AND IS ALSO BEING LIVESTREAMED . BOSTON.COM BACKSLASH CITY DAS COUNCILOR DASH TV AND BROADCAST
ON EXTENDED CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 AND FILES CHANNEL 964 WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT
CTC THAT W M AT BOSTON WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS. PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY
SIGNED UP WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU WISH TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND HAVE NOT DONE SO PLEASE EMAIL THE CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON COMMITTEE
MISSION AT K.R. ICE AGE AND A THAT ICH0UH AND BOSTON.COM. FOR THE ZOOM LINK YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET NUMBER 1926.
MESSAGE IN ORDER FOR YOUR APPROVAL ON IN ORDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF BOSTON TO APPROPRIATE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF $11,100,000 FOR THE
PURPOSE OF PAYING COSTS FOR THE WINDOW AND DOOR REPLACEMENT PROJECTS AT THE FOLLOWING SCHOOLS THE GARDINER PILOT ACADEMY SCHOOL, THE LINDEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THIS INCLUDES THE PAYMENT OF ALL
COSTS INCIDENTAL OR RELATED THERETO AND FOR WHICH THE CITY OF BOSTON MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR A GRANT FOR THE MASSACHUSETTS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY ALSO KNOWN AS MSB SET AMOUNT TO BE
EXPENDED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE PUBLIC DEPARTMENT ON BEHALF OF THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY MAN MICHELLE WU AND REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON OCTOBER 29,
2025. TODAY I'M JOINED BY MY COUNCILOR COLLEAGUE CASO FLYNN AND WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF ABSENCE AND COUNCILOR PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE. I WOULD NOW TURN IT OVER TO TODAY'S PANELISTS TO INTRODUCE
INTRODUCE THEMSELVES AND TO DIVE INTO ANY PRESENTATION. THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN AND GOOD MORNING AGAIN CHAIR WORRELL AND COUNSELOR FLYNN. I'M CARLTON JONES, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT AND I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE WHO WILL SPEAK MOMENTARILY ABOUT THE MATTER BEFORE YOU TODAY. WE'RE HERE FOR THE 2020 FOR ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM
FUNDING FOR THROUGH THE SBA, THE MASSACHUSETTS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY FOR THE GARDNER PILOT ACADEMY AND THE LYNDON CARTER SCHOOL. IT'S OUR HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THESE
PROJECTS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND ON BEHALF OF BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT MR MCLOUGHLIN WILL TELL YOU ABOUT MOMENTARILY.
AND SO AGAIN, IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE AND PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU AND AND GET THESE SCHOOL PROJECTS DONE SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE SENIOR PROJECT
MANAGER BRIAN MCLAUGHLIN RIGHT DOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR CHAIRMAN AND COUNCILOR FLYNN ,THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE
BODY AND FOR THIS HEARING. I'M GOING TO SHARE A DECK THAT I'LL GO THROUGH FOR JUST GIVE
YOU AN OVERVIEW OF KIND OF THE MBA QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE INDUSTRY PROCESS AND THEN WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY BEFORE THIS BODY.
LET ME LET ME KNOW. SO I'M JUST WORKING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW.
THERE YOU CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE FIRST SLIDE? YES. ALL RIGHT. SO BEFORE TODAY IS A REQUEST FOR FUNDING SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A WINDOW INTO A
PROJECTS AT TWO SCHOOLS AS PART OF THE 2024 MBA ACCELERATOR PROGRAM. MSP IS A STATE AUTHORITY THAT OVERSEES THE FUNDING OF PUBLIC SCHOOL PROJECTS IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS.
IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT AGENCY THAT WORKS WITH LOCAL DISTRICTS TO CREATE AFFORDABLE, SUSTAINABLE ENERGY EFFICIENT SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. IT'S FUNDED THROUGH ONE PENNY OF THE SALES TAX.
MSP HAS TWO PROGRAMS THE CORE PROGRAM FOR LARGE RENOVATION NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS LIKE THE DEARBORN MBA AND THE ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM WHICH FOCUSES ON THE REPAIR OF REPLACEMENT REPAIR OR
REPLACEMENT OF ROOFS, WINDOWS AND PORTAL SYSTEMS IN OTHERWISE STRUCTURALLY SOUND BUILDINGS. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS THE CITY OF BOSTON MADE EFFORTS TO
INCREASE THE PARTICIPATION IN THE MASS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY PROGRAM. AS OF TODAY THERE ARE 56 PROJECTS IN VARIOUS STAGES THE MSP PROCESS. THIS SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW
OF THE STATUS OF THESE 56 PROJECTS OF THE SIX CORE PROJECTS THE DEARBORN P.A. JQ AND MOST RECENTLY THE CARTER HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION AND HAVE STUDENTS IN THOSE
BUILDINGS. ONE SCHOOL TWO SHOT TAYLOR IS IN THE PREDESIGNED STAGE OF THE PROCESS. WE'VE HIRED A NEW PM AND WE'RE
GOING TO BE GOING OUT FOR AN ARCHITECT INTO DECEMBER STARTING IN DECEMBER. THE LAST THE SIX SCHOOLS IN THE CORE PROGRAM IS OF THE RUTH BATTS ACADEMY. THAT'S COMPLETING THE MSPS
ELIGIBILITY PERIOD ACTION ITEMS AND WILL START DESIGNED LATER IN 2026 UNDER THE ACCELERATED PAIR PROGRAM. 32 PROJECTS HAVE COMPLETED CONSTRUCTION.
THREE ARE CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION. SEVEN ARE IN DESIGN SLATED FOR 2027 CONSTRUCTION IN EIGHT PROJECTS WERE INVITED TO START DESIGN AT THE MSP BOARD MEETING
LAST WEEK. IN TOTAL THESE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS WITH THE MSP REFLECTS $655 MILLION IN CONSTRUCTION COST WITH JUST OVER $240
MILLION IN REIMBURSEMENT COMING BACK TO THE CITY OF BOSTON. THE 2020 FOR EXTERIOR REPAIR
PROGRAM PROJECTS WERE SUBMITTED IN EARLY 2020 FOR AT THAT TIME BOSTON SUBMITTED EIGHT SCHOOLS TO THE MSP FOR CONSIDERATION SIX WINDOW PROJECTS AND TWO
ROOF PROJECTS. THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED AT THEIR FEBRUARY 14TH, 2024 MEETING TO SUPPORT THE APPLICATION SUBMISSIONS TO THE SBA.
ALL EIGHT APPLICATION ORDER APPLICATIONS WERE APPROVED BY THE MSP BOARD AT THE MEETING ON OCTOBER 28, 2024. CITY COUNCIL THEN APPROPRIATE $1.2 MILLION IN A LOAN ORDER ON
NOVEMBER 20TH 2024 TO BRING ON THE OPM AN ARCHITECT AND DESIGN OF THESE PROJECTS STARTING IN EARLY 2025. THE GARDINER AND LINDON PROJECTS WERE APPROVED AT THE
MSP BOARD MEETING LAST WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 29. THE MURPHY, EVERETT KENNEY AND O'DONNELL SCHOOLS ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE APPROVED BY THE MSP BOARD AT THEIR MEETING IN DECEMBER WHICH RESULT IN
HAVING TO COME BACK AGAIN BEFORE THE COUNCIL TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS FOR THE BALANCE OF THOSE FOUR PROJECTS. THIS WILL LIKELY HAPPEN IN JANUARY WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. THE ADAMS DESIGN IS TAKING A
LITTLE BIT LONGER AND WILL LIKELY BE APPROVED BY THE MSP IN FEBRUARY 2026 RESULTING IN US COMING BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS IN MARCH. THE LAST PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED
WAS THE CHARITY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WAS REMOVED FROM FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AFTER WE DID THE INITIAL DESIGN. IT WAS REALIZED THAT THE COST OF THE PROJECT WAS GOING TO
TRIGGER A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CODE REQUIRED WORK THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO UNDERTAKE AT THIS TIME AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM.
SO NEXT STEPS FOR THIS FOR THE GARDINER AND LINDEN SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY BOSTON IS REQUESTING $11,100,000 FROM THE COUNCIL TO SUPPORT THE
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AND LINDEN WINDOW PROJECTS. THIS VOTE WILL NEED TWO VOTES AT LEAST TWO WEEKS APART SUPPORTIVE THIS LOAN ORDER WILL ALLOW THE ARCHITECT ARCHITECT TO COMPLETE DESIGN THROUGH
WINTER SPRING OF 2026 WITH THE PROJECT IN PLENTY OF TIME FOR SUMMER 2027 CONSTRUCTION. AGAIN AS MENTIONED ABOVE THE REMAINING HRP SCHOOLS THE MURPHY EVERETT KENNY O'DONNELL
WILL COME BACK BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN JANUARY AND THE ADDAMS SCHOOL WILL LIKELY COME BEFORE YOU IN MARCH OF 2025. THE LAST COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE
WHICH CAN BE SHARED IF IT HASN'T BEEN SHARED WITH YOU ALREADY IS JUST A A BIGGER OVERVIEW OR A LARGER OVERVIEW
OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MBA PIPELINE.
IT GOES THROUGH ALL 56 OF THE PROJECTS THE 50 APIS IN THE SIX COURSE. SO THAT'S THAT'S IT FOR THIS PRESENTATION AT THIS TIME
GLADLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU BRIAN AND CARLTON FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALL YOUR WORK TO MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IMPROVING AND RENOVATING
SCHOOLS AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE FUNDING THAT IS OUT THERE FOR US. I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILOR FLYNN FOR ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I WANT TO SAY FIRST BEFORE I START I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CARLTON AND TO BRIAN. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH BOTH GENTLEMEN FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
THEY'RE EXCELLENT EMPLOYEES AND DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB FOR THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON AND FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE CITY DEPARTMENTS. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR PROFESSIONALISM AND HARD WORK
AND AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL. THIS IS A LOT OF STAYING ON TOP OF ISSUES. BUT CARLTON AND BRIAN DO AN EXCELLENT JOB IN DOING THAT. SO I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM.
I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. MR CHAIR, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THIS WHEN IT COMES UP FOR A VOTE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR DPS, BUT ARE WE CONCERNED
THAT ANY OF THESE RENOVATIONS AT ANY OF THESE SCHOOLS WILL HINDER OR PREVENT SUMMER PROGRAMING OR SUMMER LEARNING FROM HAPPENING DURING THE RENOVATIONS?
I'M SURE I CAN. I CAN SPEAK FOR APS ESPECIALLY SINCE I USED TO WORK THERE. WHAT SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE ARE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS
THE TEAM THAT PLANS THE SUMMER SCHEDULE FIRST FINDS OUT WHAT BUILDINGS ARE AVAILABLE SO THEY JUST KIND OF SAY WELL THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE OFF LINE. THEY JUST WORK AROUND IT AND WE
DO WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THEM WITH THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT, WITH THEIR PLANNING TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CREATE DIFFICULTIES AS RELATES TO THE SPACE AVAILABILITY OR OR
OR PROGRAM AVAILABILITY. SO THEY THEY THEY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS THEY MOVE AND THEY PLAN THEIR PROGRAMING FOR THE SUMMER. AND THEN WE HAVE HEARD THAT
CONSTRUCTION PRICE HAS RISEN OVER THE COUPLE OF YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE AND YOU KNOW EVEN WITHIN LIKE THE LAST YEAR. CAN YOU CAN YOU TALK TO US AND
KIND OF GIVE US AN IDEA A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH COSTS HAVE GROWN SINCE I GUESS 2024 TO NOW OR I COULD WELL APPLY SINCE WE HAVE
APPLIED AND WHO ARE THESE MEMBER FUNDED? SO TO REALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I HAVE TO PERFORM ANALYSIS. WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE JUST HOW COSTS HAVE CHANGED BUT I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANECDOTAL STORY IF
YOU DON'T MIND THAT COULD GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THAT AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH FROM 2024 OF IS REALLY PRE-COVID TO NOW. SO PRE COVID I USED TO COMPLAIN I USED TO LIKE VEHEMENTLY COMPLAIN WE WOULD HAVE PROJECT
BREAKS VIOLENCE AND HEAR ME SAY THIS BEFORE WE WOULD HAVE PROJECTS THAT WOULD COME IN AT $300 PER SQUARE FOOT CONSTRUCTION COST AND I USED TO THINK THAT WAS OUTRAGEOUS $300 A SQUARE FOOT I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY'RE CHARGING THAT MUCH.
UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE ALSO HAVING A FIRE DRILL THAT'S GOING ON BEHIND US WHICH IS GOING TO GROW OUT OF THIS. WHAT YOU'RE ALSO HEARING BUT ANYWAY, SO WHAT I WOULD I WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT $300 A SQUARE FOOT.
NOW THE COST IS 1100 DOLLARS, 1200 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT. SO IT'S LIKE OR TIMES HIGHER THAN BEFORE. I KNOW. AND SO THAT DOES NOT ADD MORE TO THE BUILDING. THAT JUST MEANS WE'RE JUST
SPENDING MORE MONEY FOR THE SAME THING AND THAT REALLY YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHERE ARE THESE COSTS GOING? BUT IN EVERY SECTOR IT'S AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR GOVERNMENT
PROJECTS. IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD. SO IT'S JUST THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY HAS SKYROCKETED IN TERMS OF COSTS, THE ESCALATIONS I MEAN THERE ARE SOME THERE IS
GOOD NEWS THOUGH. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS IT FEELS LIKE IT'S PLATEAUING BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING BIDS THAT ARE COMING IN MORE OR LESS AT THE ESTIMATES NOW VERSUS BEFORE WE WOULD SEE WIDE SWINGS.
WE'RE NOT SEEING THE WIDE SWINGS AS MUCH ANYMORE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY WON'T HAPPEN BUT THEY ARE LESSENING. THAT'S ONE AND THE OTHER GOOD NEWS IS THE ESCALATION. SO YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BEFORE WE WOULD SAY 3% FOR INFLATION OR
SOME NUMBER FOR INFLATION AT ONE POINT WE'RE UP TO 8% FOR ESCALATION BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION. YOU KNOW BUT THE POTENTIAL EFFECT OF THE TARIFFS, ALL SORTS OF OTHER FACTORS THAT
WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WELL THE PROJECT IS A TWO YEAR PROJECT OR A THREE YEAR PROJECT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR HIGHER COSTS IN THOSE LATER YEARS. THAT'S THE ESCALATION. SO WE'RE WE'RE BRINGING THAT DOWN ALSO.
SO THE INDUSTRY IS SAYING IT'S NOT AS BAD. THEY'RE FORECASTING THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A BETTER FORECAST IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE. SO THOSE ARE TWO POSITIVES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER
SEE IT COME DOWN BELOW $1,000 A SQUARE FOOT BUT AT LEAST WE WON'T GO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT APPROACHING $2,000. IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO RISE AT LEAST IT DOESN'T
SEEM LIKE IT IS BASED ON BIDS THAT ARE COMING IN AND INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING FROM OTHER INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS. WELL, YEAH, I WAS NOT EXPECTING TO HEAR FOUR TIMES THE COST
THAT IS QUITE THE JUMP. WELL, YOU HAVE A FIRE DRILL OVER THERE, CARLTON AND YOU KNOW THIS IS GOOD WORK THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE
FORWARD AND IT'S JUST GREAT TO PARTNER WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND YOUR TEAM ON HELPING GETTING MUCH NEEDED REPAIRS INTO OUR SCHOOLS FOR OUR STUDENTS. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
ALL YOUR WORK. I WANT TO THANK COUNSELOR FLYNN FOR JOINING IN ON THIS CONVERSATION. I DON'T SEE ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
SO THIS HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 1926 IS ADJOURNED RIGHT Part: 2
AND SANTANA AT LARGE CITY COUNCILOR AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE. TODAY IS NOVEMBER SIX AND TWO
OR 3 P.M. IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025 MODIFYING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW. EVERY LEADING PUBLIC BODIES HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT
PUBLIC BODIES MUST CONDUCT ITS MEETINGS IN A PUBLIC PLACE THAT IS OPEN AND PHYSICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONDUCTING THIS HEARING VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM.
THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED . IT IS ALSO BEING LIVESTREAMED. BOSTON DOT GOV SLASH CITY COUNCIL DUTCH TV AND BROADCASTED ON ITS FINNISH
CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 AND VIASAT 964 BRING COMMENTS MAY BE SUBJECT COMMITTEE EMAIL ASCII US AND BOSTON DOT GOV AND
WE WILL AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS. PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED AND WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES
TO TESTIFY. IF YOU WISH TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND HAVE NOT DONE SO PLEASE EMAIL OUR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON. MEGHAN MEGHAN BRUTAL BOSTON
DARK OUT WITH A ZOOM LINK AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET NUMBER 0978 IN ORDER TO ADOPT CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE ACTS
OF 2024 REGARDING LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTINUITY BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOSTON IN THE TOWN OF DEDHAM. THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILORS AND CAPERTON AND WAS
REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON APRIL 30, 2025. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL. COUNCILOR MURPHY ALSO PREPARED . AND COUNCILOR FLYNN WE ALSO
RECEIVED A LETTER OF ABSENCE FROM COUNCIL OVERALL. BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE LEAD SPONSOR FOR OPENING REMARKS, I'D LIKE TO THANK
EVERYONE FOR JOINING US TODAY. THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE THAT IS MY PRIORITY. THE BOSSES LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES EFFECTIVE EFFECTIVELY FOR ALL RESIDENTS INCLUDING ENSURING
THAT THEY CAN WORK IN COOPERATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES IF NEEDED. TODAY'S HEARING IS CONSIDERS ADOPTING A STATEWIDE BILL ALLOWING FOR POLICE COOPERATION
BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND A TOWN OF DURHAM. IF ADOPTED, THIS BILL WOULD ALLOW A POLICE OFFICER FROM THAT TO EXERCISE POLICE POWERS AS A SWORN OFFICER OF BOSTON
WITHIN 500 YARDS INTO THE CITY OF BOSTON'S LIMITS AND IN BOSTON OFFICER WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME IN DURHAM. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT COOPERATION AND MORE SEAMLESS SERVICES AND
SEVERAL BOSTON NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDING HYDE PARK, WEST ROXBURY AND ROSLINDALE. THIS KIND OF INTERAGENCY COLLABORATION KEEPS OUR ROADS, KEEPS OUR RESIDENTS SAFE AND
SUPPORTED. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE TESTIMONY AND INSIGHTS HERE TODAY AS WE WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS SEAMLESS, EFFECTIVE AND SUPPORTED BY OUR CITY LAWS.
SO NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE LEAD SPONSOR. COUNCIL ARE PREPARED FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS YOU MAY NOT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. GOOD AFTERNOON TO MY COLLEAGUES, TO THE PANELISTS.
MY BIGGEST PART MY STATEHOUSE COLLEAGUES THEY REPRESENTATIVE ROB CONSALVO BY BRINGING THIS ORDER TO ADOPTION TO THE COUNCIL. I KNOW HE WORKED WITH STATE REPRESENTATIVE PAUL RICK MORTY ON THIS. I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS HEARING TO ADDRESS SOME
OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT I KNOW THAT I SHARE WITH SOME OF MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES MY DISTRICT DISTRICT FIVE CONTAINS ALL OF HYDE PARK SO WE ARE VERY AWARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND GET
THEM AS WE ARE ON THE BORDER. I REPRESENT BORDER BETWEEN THE TWO TOWNS. WE KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CONTINUITY BUFFER IN BROOKLINE THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND ADOPTING THIS LAW WOULD EXTEND THE BUFFER FOR
PUBLIC SAFETY. I THINK THE CHAIR THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CHIEF AND SUPERINTENDENT FROM THE DEDHAM POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE BEING HERE TODAY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION AND EXPLAIN THE REASON
BEHIND THIS ORDER AS WELL. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR CHAIR. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE QUESTIONS . GREAT. WE CAN MOVE ON.
COUNCILOR MURPHY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT
I BELIEVE THE PANELISTS WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND WE TALKED ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP ALREADY WITH BROOKLINE BUT IT DOES REMIND ME OF, YOU KNOW, OUR HOUSING POLICE OFFICES, OUR
COLLEGES. SO THERE'S MANY TIMES WE DO THE STATE POLICE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATE. I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION AND MAKING SURE THAT THE BOSTON PATROLMAN
AND YOU KNOW, THE UNION ALSO IS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. BUT THANK YOU TO OUR CITY POLICE AND EMPLOYEES WERE HERE ADMINISTRATION BUT ALSO TO THE DEDHAM POLICE TO KIND OF SHARE
HOW WE CAN BE MORE COLLABORATIVE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MURPHY, COUNCILOR FLYNN, THE OTHER FOUR.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU TO YOU CHAIR AND TO THE BOSTON POLICE THAT ARE ON BUT ALSO TO THE DEDHAM POLICE ALSO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE DEDHAM POLICE.
I KNOW IT'S AN OUTSTANDING POLICE DEPARTMENT. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ACTUALLY OVER AT THE VA IN WEST ROXBURY AND HAVE SEEN THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE DEDHAM
POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER IN DEDHAM. SO I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEM AND THE IMPORTANT WORK THEY PLAY IN THEIR CITY AND
THEIR TOWN BUT ALSO THE COOPERATION THAT ALREADY EXISTS. SO JUST WANT TO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE DEDHAM POLICE BUT ALSO CERTAINLY BOSTON POLICE AS WELL.
THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND COUNCILOR FLYNN. SO WE WOULD NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE TODAY'S PANELISTS. WITH US TODAY WE HAVE
SUPERINTENDENT ROBERT ROBERT OBVIOUSLY PAUL A JUNIOR WAS A CHIEF BUREAU OF FIELD SERVICES WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE MICHAEL THE TRAUMA AND PLEASE EXCUSE MY
PRONUNCIATION CHIEF OF POLICE WHAT THE DURHAM POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME. I'LL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO YOU BOTH FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS OR
PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR US. ALL RIGHT. SO GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON TO CHIEF DON TREMONT. WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER QUITE A
LONG TIME. THE CHIEF'S BROTHER WAS BOSTON POLICE OFFICER FOR A VERY LONG TIME AS WELL. SO WE GO BACK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE
COUNCIL I WANT TO THANK REPRESENT SENATOR CONSALVO. HE AND I ACTUALLY WORKED ON AN EARLIER VERSION OF THIS BACK WHEN HE WAS CITY COUNCILOR CONSALVO AND I WAS THE CAPTAIN IN DISTRICT 18
OF THE TIME AS THE CHAIR HAS STATED WE SHARE A VERY SIMILAR ARRANGEMENT WITH BOTH THE CITY OF BROOKLINE AND THE CITY
OF NEWTON WHERE THERE IS A 500 YARD BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO AND THIS LEGISLATION WAS MODELED ON THAT. IT IS IT'S IN FACT WORD FOR
WORD IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SIMPLY SUBSTITUTING THE WORD DEDHAM FOR BROOKLINE IN PREVIOUS LEGISLATION AND IT'S
TO ADDRESS THE SAME PROBLEMS THE BORDER BETWEEN BOSTON AND DEDHAM IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY DEVELOPED.
THERE'S PROBABLY INCREASED DEVELOPMENT GOING TO HAPPEN PARTICULARLY ALONG THE HYDE PARK DEDHAM BOUNDARY IN THE
AREA OF SPRING STREET AND I THINK THIS THE PLANS FOR THE OLD STOP AND SHOP WAREHOUSE SEEMS LIKE EVERY WEEK SOMEBODY PUT SOMETHING A NEW IDEA FOR
THAT SPACE AND THAT CREATES RISKS. IT CREATES PUBLIC SAFETY RISKS AND IT CREATES LIABILITY RISKS
FOR BOTH MUNICIPALITIES WHERE IT BECOMES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A BORDER, FOR EXAMPLE WITH THE CITY OF QUINCY BUT IT'S KIND OF A WIDE RIVER, RIGHT?
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CONFUSION POSSIBLE THERE WHERE YOU HAVE THIS AND I HAVE A SLIDESHOW THAT I'LL PUT UP JUST BRIEFLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN
GET A VISUAL. WE HAVE PLACES WHERE THE CITY BOUNDARY RUNS THROUGH WOODS
THROUGH SWAMPS AND IN SOME PLACES DIRECTLY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS. SO AND I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS QUICK THIS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING
AT IT'S PULLED RIGHT OUT OF YOU KNOW GOOGLE EARTH IS ILLUSTRATES THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND THE TOWN OF GOT THEM THE TOP
LEFT IS A CORNER THAT WOULD BE YOUR BOUNDARY ON THE WEST ROXBURY SIDE OVER BY FOR EXAMPLE THE VA HOSPITAL
STARTING ABOUT THERE AT THE TOP LEFT AND IT RUNS DOWN TO WHERE THE BOUNDARY IS IN HYDE PARK AT THE NIPPON SALT RIVER AND
ROUGHLY THE VICINITY OF THE I'LL REFER TO THIS PURPOSE AS THE OLD STOP AND SHOP WAREHOUSE AT THE END OF MEADOWBANK ROAD. CAN I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE
PLEASE? SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS YOU KNOW, AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH AND YOU WILL SEE THE
BUILDING THAT'S LABELED A IN THERE THAT IS THE FORMER STOP AND SHOP WAREHOUSE AND YOU WILL SEE THERE THAT THE CITY LINE IN
THAT CASE RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THE BUILDING AND THE REAR HALF OF THAT COMPLEX IS ACTUALLY IN THE TOWN OF GHETTO THAT CREATES
A PUBLIC SAFETY RISK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE IN THAT. YOU KNOW, IT IS AT THE MOMENT THE REAR THAT IS EXCLUSIVELY THE JURISDICTION OF THE TOWN OF DEDHAM.
BUT IN ORDER TO RESPOND THEY HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY AROUND THROUGH THE TOWN OF CANTON AND UP TO THE PARTS OF THAT MILTON UPTON UPON THE VALLEY PARKWAY OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESPOND
OVER SPRAGUE STREET BRIDGE AND COME AROUND LINDA POTTER VALLEY PARKWAY THE IT ALSO WOULD CREATE A RISK WHERE YOU COULD
HAVE AN OFFICER A BOSTON OFFICER RESPONDING THERE. HE'S INSIDE THE BUILDING IN SOME SORT OF A TACTICAL SITUATION AND DOESN'T REALIZE
THAT HE HAS ACTUALLY LEFT THE CITY OF BOSTON AND IS NOW OPERATING WHAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE AS A PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL IN ANOTHER
MUNICIPALITY AND THE RISK THERE IS THAT HE COULD BE HE COULD BE BOTH PERSONALLY LIABLE AND THE CITY OF BOSTON COULD BE LIABLE FOR HIM ACTING OUTSIDE OF HIS
JURISDICTION. SO A SIMILAR BUILDING IF YOU WILL LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT ON THIS MAP IT TALKS OF THE BOSTON PICKLE CLUB IS LOCATED THERE
AND WE HAVE THE FORMER JAY BAKER WAREHOUSE WHICH IT'S ALMOST HALF A MILE LONG AND IT'S THE SAME SITUATION WHERE THE REAR ONE THIRD OF THE
BUILDING IS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON CREATING THE SAME RESPONSE TIME ISSUES AND LIABILITY ISSUES. SO THAT'S ON THE HYDE PARK SIDE
. CAN I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? THIS ILLUSTRATION IS AN AREA
OF THE WEST ROXBURY. GET ON THE LINE AND YOU WILL SEE CAROL IN THE ROAD THERE AND THERE WERE OTHER PLACES. BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT THIS ILLUSTRATED THE ISSUE WHERE YOU
HAVE THE CITY LINE RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AND YOU KNOW, REQUIRING OUR OFFICERS TO TRY TO KEEP
TRACK OF THAT LINE WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE THEY'RE IN THE DARK, IT'S IN AN EMERGENCY AND SO ON THAT THERE'S RISK INVOLVED IN THAT
AND IT COULD BE DELAY THAT WOULD COMPROMISE PUBLIC SAFETY . THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO THE SPACE YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS LOCAL SPRAGUE STREET. IT'S INDUSTRIAL DRIVE. THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THAT
SPACE IS TO GO THROUGH THE RAILROAD STATION AT REIDSVILLE AROUND UNDER THE SPRAGUE STREET BRIDGE AND DOWN INDUSTRIAL DRIVE.
AND AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LARGE BUILDING BISECTED BY THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY. ADDITIONALLY YOU HAVE THE LARGE
SPACE TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY UP AND IT IS IN THE
TOWN OF DEDHAM BUT CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED VIA THE VIA BOSTON. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU KNOW WE TALK ABOUT PLACES THAT ARE PERENNIALLY DISCUSSED FOR
FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT THOSE PROBLEMS COULD BECOME WORSE IN THAT IF IF WE DON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM I WILL SAY THIS THAT AS
THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED WE HAVE HAD A SIMILAR AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH THE CITY OF NEWTON AND THE CITY OF BROOKLINE FOR DECADES AND HONESTLY IT'S OPERATED SEAMLESSLY.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM WITH IT AND NOBODY WANTS TO DO ENFORCEMENT IN THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY. THIS IS ABOUT COVERING US FOR
UNFORESEEN EVENTS AND WE CAN SORT OUT WHERE THE WHERE EXACTLY THE BORDER IS LATER IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING
TO DO THE PAPERWORK AND SO ON. SO I'LL SUM UP WITH THAT. IT'S WE'VE DONE THIS FOR DECADES WITH OTHERS AND WE ARE JUST LOOKING TO DUPLICATE THAT
HERE IN A WAY THAT WILL ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY AND LIMIT LIABILITY FOR BOTH MUNICIPALITIES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN.
AWESOME. THANK YOU, SUPERINTENDENT AND CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING OR WE GOOD TO MOVE ON.
GOOD AFTERNOON. I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUICK CALL IF THAT'S OKAY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON TO CONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME IN THE
WORKS SO I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING SUPERINTENDENT CHOCOLA MENTIONED. WE HAVE THESE AREAS THAT THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH BOSTON A BUS NEEDS TO GO THROUGH DAYTON TO GET TO A PIECE OF YOUR OWN JURISDICTION.
THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM ALONG THE SPLIT BUILDINGS. THERE'S JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO MENTION THAT THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT ON
PROVIDENCE HIGHWAY AT THE DEDHAM BOSTON LINE THOSE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE IN DEDHAM BUT JUST BARELY IN DEDHAM. SO ANY ANY ENFORCEMENT AT THOSE TRAFFIC SIGNALS HAVE NO BUFFER
IS CERTAINLY HELPFUL. OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO STOP A CAR SAY THAT RAN A RED LIGHT AT THOSE LIGHTS OR EVEN INTO BOSTON OR
IN A SITUATION KNOW AND THEN THERE'S ALSO CUT THROUGH THAT TAKES PLACE YOU KNOW BOSTON CRUISERS WILL USE BUSY STREET AND MILTON STREET THE CENTER
STREET TO GO FROM AREAS OF BOSTON THROUGH DEDHAM AND INTO AREAS OF BOSTON AND OUR OFFICES, YOU KNOW, CAN USE PROVIDENCE HIGHWAY GOING FROM THE SPRING STREET AREA, YOU KNOW, TO GET DOWN TO THE DATA
MALL AREA AND THAT PUTS YOU IN THE OTHER JURISDICTION. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COME ACROSS THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO ACT ON, IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL OF US IF WE HAD THAT
AUTHORITY WHILE CONDUCTING YOU KNOW, JUST CUTTING THROUGH THE AREA THAT WE HAVE THE POLICE AUTHORITY THAT WE NEED OF SOMETHING SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO US. AND AS THE SUPERINTENDENT SAID ,YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HAVE NO
INTENTION OF GOING OVER THE BORDERS UNLESS ACTIVITY DRAWS US OVER THE BORDER. THANK YOU. ON SOME.
THANK YOU, CHIEF. WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE ROB CANTWELL AS A PANELIST AS ONE
OF THOSE OVERPAID I KNOW I SAW YOUR YOUR MESSAGE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE HIM ON LINE. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY IF HE IS HERE.
BUT I THINK ALSO PREPARED IN TERMS OF PRIMARY HELPFUL FOR THINK OF US A CHAIR YEAH JUST RECOGNIZABLE AS HONOR ATTENDEE I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO BE THE
FIRST TESTIMONY TO EXPLAIN WHY SO IF WE COULD IF I CAN THEN JUST ADVOCATE ELEVATING WITH YOU THAT WE'VE GOT WITH US RIGHT NOW SO ONCE YOU SET UP WE
HAVE TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND FOR THIS PROPOSAL AND I'LL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO YOU BEFORE WE GO ON TO COUNCILORS QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR CHAIRMAN.
ALWAYS THRILLED TO BE TESTIFYING BACK AT THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL WHERE I LOGGED THOUSANDS OF HOURS TESTIFYING DURING MY 13 YEARS AS A PROUD
MEMBER OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS, MR CHAIRMAN, FOR HAVING THIS HEARING. I THANK MY DEAR FRIEND AND MY PARTNER IN CRIME OUT IN
DISTRICT FIVE AND SLASHED A14 SUFFOLK INTO THE SECOND BEST DISTRICT FIVE CITY COUNCIL EVER SERVED COUNCIL UP HAPPENED FOR FILING THIS LOCAL ADOPTION OF DOCKET 0978 WHICH I WOULD
ASK THIS HONORABLE COMMITTEE AND HONORABLE BODY TO PLEASE PASS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN GET IT BEFORE THE MAYOR FOR HER SIGNATURE. I WANT TO THANK BOTH
SUPERINTENDENT PICCOLO AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN DEDHAM FOR SUPPORTING THIS AND FOR BEING ON AND SUPERINTENDENT'S CALL DID AN AMAZING JOB AND PUT THAT POWERPOINT SUMMED IT UP
PERFECTLY AND I WANT TO THANK HIM. HE IS CORRECT. WE HAVE WORKED ON THIS BACK SINCE THE MID 2000 WHERE I FILED THIS REPEATEDLY AS A HOME RULE PETITION WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH THEN CAPTAIN
CHICAGO AND ALSO MY DEAR FRIEND MAYOR TOM MENINO WHO HAD SUPPORTED US WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND WE WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH HIM ON THAT REALLY IS JUST A COMMON SENSE THING THAT WE NEED
TO DO TO SORT OF CLOSE THIS LOOPHOLE AS WE HAVE AS THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE CHIEF SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS ALREADY WITH THE TOWN OF BROOKLINE AND OTHER TOWNS
AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE PASSED THIS THE SUPERINTENDENT'S SLIDE DECK SHOWED PERFECTLY. IT'S REALLY A UNIQUE SITUATION FOR HYDE PARK IN WEST ROXBURY AND REALLY PARTICULARLY TO MY
DISTRICT IN THIS END BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE ALL OF THE HYDE PARK AND READ WELL PROPERTIES THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT POINTED OUT. I ACTUALLY HAVE PRECINCTS IN WEST ROXBURY THAT RUN WASHINGTON STREET PAST THE
BEETHOVEN SCHOOL DOWN TO THE DEDHAM LINE WHICH ALSO IMPACT THE SAME AREA. AND I WANT TO THANK THE CHIEF AND DEDHAM FOR PARTICULARLY POINTING OUT NOT JUST THE
PROPERTIES THAT WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES RUN RIGHT THROUGH BUILDINGS BUT ALSO THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AS WELL AND TO OTHER STOP SIGNS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WOULD BE
TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT ISSUES. I EVEN KNOW IT WASN'T ON THIS SLIDE, SUPERINTENDENT BUT IF YOU GO DOWN IF YOU IF YOU GO TO WEST MILTON STREET THERE IS ONE HOUSE IN HYDE PARK WHERE AND
IT'S A GREAT FRIEND OF MINE AND A CONSTITUENT WHO I GREW UP SINCE GRAMMAR SCHOOL WITH WHO THE DEDHAM HYDE PARK LINE RUNS LITERALLY HALFWAY THROUGH HIS HOUSE.
HIS BEDROOM IS IN HYDE PARK, HIS KITCHEN AND LIVING ROOM AND BACK OUT ARE IN DEDHAM AND GOD FORBID THERE WAS AN ISSUE ON HIS PROPERTY KNOCK ON WOOD HOPEFULLY DOESN'T HAVE ONE BUT THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING DECISION MADE THERE IF HIS
HOUSE WAS BROKEN INTO IN THE BURGLARY AND FROM THE KITCHEN TO THE BEDROOM OR VICE VERSA. SO IT'S REALLY A COMMON SENSE I THINK A PROCESS TO CLOSE THIS LOOPHOLE TO BRING IT IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE OTHER BORDERING MUNICIPALITIES.
AGAIN, JUST TO RECAP, YOU LOOK AT THIS 50 PLUS ACRES AT THE STOP AND SHOP WAREHOUSE, THE BOSTON DEDHAM COMMERCE PARK WHICH WAS ON THAT SLIDE THAT GREENVILLE YARD FIVE WHERE
SUPERINTENDENT SHOWED THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS BACKYARD HURLEY WHY ARE THE NATIONAL GRID YARD ARE ALL SPLIT RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN BOSTON AND DEDHAM AND THEN THE HOUSE ON WEST MELBOURNE STREET THE
PROPERTIES THAT ARE BUT THE ONE HOUSE AND I PARK AND ALL THE OTHER ONES IN WEST ROXBURY IN MY DISTRICT JUST GIVEN THE CONTINUITY OF THE POLICE AND BOTH TOWNS BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE THE LAW BEYOND THOSE
BOUNDARIES SHOULD IT EXIST. CLEARLY WE HAVE A GREAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN OUR CAPTAIN AND THE BOSTON POLICE AND THE CHIEF OF THE DEDHAM POLICE. I HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO ARE POLICE OFFICERS AND RELATIVES
WHO LIVE IN DEDHAM SO WE'RE REALLY ENJOY OUR CLOSE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF DEDHAM RAPID MCMURTRIE WHO'S A CO WHO WAS A JOINT CO-HOST OF THIS BILL IS A SPONSOR WITH ME AND IS A GREAT FRIEND AND A
PARTNER WHO ENJOY WE ENJOY MANY RECIPROCAL ISSUES BETWEEN THE TOWNS OF DEDHAM AND MELTON SO IT REALLY IS JUST A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT CONTINUE TO HAVE BOTH TOWNS WORK COLLABORATIVELY IN TERMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY ENFORCEMENT
IT'S REALLY CLEANING UP SORT OF A LOOPHOLE THAT STARTS OUT THERE BUT UNIQUE TO THE DEDHAM WHICH ROCKS ROXBURY PIECE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LAND THAT BORDERS BOTH THE CITY AND THE TOWN OF DEDHAM THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE THE POLICE
ALL THE TOOLS NEEDED TO DO THIS. AND I WAS SO EXCITED WHEN I GOT THE NOD FROM THE CHAIR OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAT THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS FINALLY AFTER ALMOST 20 YEARS OF TRYING IT DOESN'T SEEM
LIKE IT'S THE MOST LARGEST THING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE AT THE STATE HOUSE OR THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT IT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO HYDE PARK, TO BOSTON, TO DEDHAM AND SOMETHING THAT I'M THRILLED AFTER LITERALLY 20 YEARS OF TRYING THAT WE FINALLY
GOT PASSED TO THE HOUSE THE SENATE AND SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR. SO I WOULD URGE MY COLLEAGUES ON THE CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE THIS COMMITTEE TO ISSUE A FAVORABLE REPORT AND HOPEFULLY THAT THE WHOLE BODY WOULD PASS
THIS AND GET IT TO THE MAYOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THAT'S ONE MORE TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. GOD FORBID SOMETHING HAPPEN AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION OR ANY HISTORICAL ISSUES AS I WORKED
THROUGH THIS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS ON SOME NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOU TESTIFIED HERE WITH US TODAY.
WE'RE GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES QUESTIONS. I ALSO JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR WEBER FROM DISTRICT SIX.
WE'LL START WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR IN COUNCIL PREPARED FOR ANY LINES OF QUESTIONING. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AND TO THE CHIEF TO PRESENTATION CALL TO MY MY
PARTNER IN CRIME STATE REPRESENTATIVE BROCKTON THIRD DISTRICT PERSON ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WHO THE FIRST NOMINEE BUT WANTED TO HONESTLY START OFF WITH MORE OF AN
INFORMATIVE QUESTION WHICH IS WHAT IS THE ORIGIN OF THIS BILL LIKE? WHY IS IT THAT BROOKLINE AND BOSTON ALREADY HAVE THIS IN PLACE AND WHY HAS IT WHY
DOESN'T EXIST STILL FOR THAT IN BOSTON? YEAH. JUST QUICKLY BEFORE THE SUPER CHIMES IN ON THE CHIEF I MEAN THIS PASSED THE STATE HOUSE. IT WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR
OF CHAPTER SIX OR SEVEN OF THE MASS GENERAL LAWS IN 1979. SO GIVES YOU THAT SORT OF THE HISTORY OF WHEN IT WAS DONE. I THINK WE KNOW WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR 20 YEARS AND I NEGLECTED TO MENTION THAT IT WAS STATE REPRESENTATIVE ANGELO
SCOTIA, MY PREDECESSOR AND I WAS HIS LEGISLATIVE AIDE AT THE STATE HOUSE IN THE NINETIES WHEN HE WAS EVEN TRYING TO DO IT THEN AND I THINK IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT NEVER MADE IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE IN ANY SESSION UP HERE AT THE
STATE HOUSE MORE TO DO WITH JUST THE LEGISLATIVE WORKLOAD. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE FOR EXAMPLE THIS SESSION 9000 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE AND I THINK OFTEN THE CASE WE JUST RUN OUT
OF TIME AND THINGS DON'T MAKE IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE PARTICULARLY SMALLER MATTERS LIKE THIS AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THIS JUST NEVER DID. BUT THERE WAS MOMENTUM TO DO IT THIS YEAR AND THAT'S THANKS TO THE LEADERSHIP OF CHAIR
MCMURTRY WHO'S IN A CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE AND WAS ABLE TO EXERCISE HIS AUTHORITY TO HELP PUSH THAT ALL TO THE FINISH LINE. I GET MY CHAIR MCMURTRY GREAT CREDIT ON HELPING TO GET THIS
ACROSS THE GOAL LINE SO MORE I JUST THINK A HOUSEKEEPING THING AND REALLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME HERE AT THE STATE HOUSE TO GET IT DONE. I'LL SAY THAT FROM THE LEGISLATIVE FRONT AND WOULD CERTAINLY DEFER TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR THE CHIEF FOR
ANY PAST HISTORY IF THERE WAS ANY MORE LIKELY IT'S OUR FAULT. BUT THE LEGISLATURE JUST NEVER GOT DONE. BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT HAND THERE. WE LET BYGONES BE BYGONES ABOUT THE ROLE THAT THE SPEAKER AND
THE SENATE PRESIDENT AND THE GOVERNOR HAVE ALL WEIGHED IN AND WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN AND HAVE SIGNED ON TO IT AND HAVE PASSED AND SIGNED IT. YES.
SO ON MY PART I WILL ONLY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO PLAN WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THE
FUTURE AND THE BOUNDARY WITH BROOKLINE CERTAINLY BECAME MUCH MORE HEAVILY DEVELOPED MUCH EARLIER. SO I THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST
PLACE THAT THE ISSUE KIND OF RAISED ITSELF AND THEN SOMETIME AFTER THAT YOU KNOW CONSALVO PROBABLY KNOWS EXACTLY
WHEN THE CITY OF NEWTON FOLLOWED SUIT FOR SIMILAR REASONS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT AROUND LAGRANGE STREET BRYAN
ROAD, BROAD LAWN PARK WHERE WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUE. SO I GUESS MY INSULA COUNCILOR IS THAT SIMILAR PROBLEMS BREED SIMILAR
SOLUTIONS THAT WELL CHIEF DAN FREMONT ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENT ? NOTHING THAT I CAN SPEAK ON ABOUT THE PRIOR LEGISLATION
WITH WITH BROOKLINE YEAH IT WILL JUST LIKE YOU KNOW KIND OF A RECENT EXAMPLE WAS YOU KNOW WOULD BE BENEFICIAL WITH EXPERIENCES COMING UP PROBLEMS
ALL ACROSS THE STATE AND OCTOBER 5TH AND THERE WAS YOU KNOW A STREET TAKE OVER AT WASHINGTON AND GROVE WELL THAT'S RIGHT OVER THE BORDER TWO OF OUR OFFICES ARE GOING OVER TO HELP WOULD PREFER THEM TO HAVE THEIR AUTHORITY IF NEED
BE AND THE SAME THING DOWN ON SPRAGUE STREET THAT SAME NIGHT THERE WAS A GATHERING IN A PARKING LOT WHERE A PEDESTRIAN WAS STRUCK AND YOU KNOW, BOSTON AND DEDHAM AND DOWN THERE IN BOSTON ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW,
TOOK CARE OF THE ISSUE DOWN THERE. BUT IT IT JUST CREATES ALL THIS CONFUSION AND THAT TO TAKE ANY CONFUSION LIABILITY OUT OF THE MIX FOR ALL OF US AND I THINK
OBVIOUSLY AS THE SUPER TEN JUST MENTIONED, MORE DEVELOPMENT KIND OF WHICH IS EVERYTHING CLOSER TOGETHER AND MORE CHANCE
FOR NOT KNOWING WHERE YOU ARE. OKAY. SO I ALSO WANTED TO I'M GOING
TO STAY ON TOP OF QUESTION HERE IS REGARDING THE BOSTON TRUST ACT SO OBVIOUSLY THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HOPES FOR WITH THE BOSTON TRUST ACT WHICH IS SOMETHING WE HEAVILY BELIEVE
IN. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THIS KIND OF RELATIONSHIP AND IS THERE SOMETHING THIS SOMETHING NICK, COMPARED TO BROOKLINE HOW THIS HOW THAT RELATIONSHIP IS
WORKING? JUST I HAVE TO ASK THIS IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY MANY IN THE WORLD THAT WE ARE LIVING IN TODAY THAT IS THAT IS A QUESTION THAT MANY PEOPLE DO HAVE. SO WHAT I'LL SAY IF I COULD
SPEAK OUT FIRST COUNCILOR YES, SIR. YOU KNOW THE WAY THIS WORKS IN PRACTICE IS WE RESPOND WHOEVER
GETS THE CALL RESPONSE ENDS THEY TAKE WHATEVER IMMEDIATE ACTION IS NECESSARY TO PRESERVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THEN WE HAND
THE FOLLOW UP OFF NOW THAT WE HAVE TIME, RELAX. OKAY? AM I IN BOSTON? AM I IN BROOKLINE RIGHT.
AND ALL THE PAPERWORK, THE ALL THE INFORMATION AND SHARING WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT GOES TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT HAS ACTUAL JURISDICTION.
RIGHT. SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS TO TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE AND WE'VE HAD THIS HAPPEN AND THIS IS YEARS AGO RESPOND TO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INCIDENT OFF
OF LAGRANGE STREET IN WEST ROXBURY. THERE IS A PLACE DOWN THERE OFF OF BRYAN ROAD WHERE THE CITY LINE RUNS THROUGH A BUILDING.
THE PHONE NUMBER IS WEST ROXBURY. THE ZIP CODE IS CHESTNUT HILL BUT THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL
LOCATION TURNED OUT TO BE IN THE CITY OF NEWTON. IN THAT CASE WE RESPONDED INTERRUPTED AN ASSAULT MADE AN
ARREST AND THEN REALIZED HEY, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF NEW WE CALL NEWTON POLICE.
THEY RESPONDED AND WE SAID HERE'S YOUR PRISONER RIGHT IN AND THAT'S IT. THAT IS THE END OF OUR INVOLVEMENT AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS IN REVERSE, RIGHT?
SO FOR THE SAKE OF AN ARGUMENT, A DEDHAM OFFICER ON HIS WAY FROM SPRING STREET TO THE DEDHAM MALL PULLS THE CAR OVER ON PROVIDENCE HIGHWAY BECAUSE HE'S YOU KNOW, HE'S DOING
SOMETHING CRAZY. HE'S DOING DONUTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OR SOMETHING. HE'S GOING TO HE'S STILL GOING TO CALL FOR A BOSTON UNIT. I SEE IF WE WE EACH WILL HANDLE
OUR OWN WORK. THIS IS ABOUT NOT GETTING SUED AND NOT MAKING UNLAWFUL ARREST . RIGHT. SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN
THE IMMEDIATE NEED TO RESOLVE THE PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT. CHIEF, DO YOU WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT? I KNOW WE DO THE SAME THING BUT
YOU WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT . I WOULD JUST AGREE I MEAN THAT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE AND
YEAH, HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD WITH A SPECIFIC QUESTION NOT TO PRECISE YOUR CALL, I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION. IT'S JUST THE NATURE THAT WE'RE LIVING IN AT THE MOMENT.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OUR IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE. BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPRANATIONAL OKAY.
MY THIRD AND FINAL QUESTION IS ACTUALLY REGARDING THE THIRD EXAMPLE THAT YOU ALL PROVIDED WHICH IS IN REGARDS TO THE INDUSTRIAL DRIVE THE FIRST
PERSON WHO BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF MY OFFICE WAS ACTUALLY A RESIDENT OF DURHAM ON OUR TRUCK STREET WHO SPOKE TO US ABOUT THE NOISE AND THE SMELLING COMING FROM THE PROPERTY.
SINCE THEN A FEW RESIDENTS OF GREENVILLE AND HYDE PARK ALSO REFERRED TO THE THEY REFERENCE TO THE NOISE AND AIR POLLUTION. SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU IF YOU ALL WERE LOOKING INTO THIS AND
IF THE CITY OR THE STATE WAS HELPING AND IF NOT COULD WE ASSIST IN ANY WAY AND HOPEFULLY THIS TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP CAN HELP WITH THIS MOVING FORWARD.
SO I GUESS I'LL SPEAK FIRST ON I MEAN I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION IS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RAIL YARD OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL
DRIVE SPACE? THE INDUSTRIAL DRIVE SPACE? SO I DO KNOW I'M NOT FAMILIAR HONESTLY WITH ANY RECENT
DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE I CAN TELL YOU THAT GOING BACK EVEN TO MY MY TIME AS THE CAPTAIN IN HYDE PARK, THE WOOD PERIODICALLY BEING NOISE, DUST
COMPLAINTS, WHATEVER THAT WE WOULD ADDRESS ON USUALLY IN THE SENSE THAT WE WOULD ACT AS A CONDUIT TO INSPECTIONAL
SERVICES OR AS THE CASE MAY BE TO THE TOWN TO GET THEM. YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL GET A BOSTON RESIDENT CALLING TO COMPLAIN AND WE'RE SAYING
YEAH, NUMBER ONE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A POLICE ISSUE, RIGHT? IT'S AN INSPECTION SERVICES ISSUE OR WHATEVER AND WE'VE
BEEN ABLE TO SERVE AS THE CONDUIT TO PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH THE RIGHT FOLKS THAT THEY NEED TO TALK TO OVER THERE. CHIEF DON TREMONT, HAVE YOU HAD
ANY RECENT ACTIVITY ALONG THOSE LINES OR THAT I'M NOT AWARE I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYTHING RECENTLY RELATED TO OUR RESIDENTS ON ASHCROFT STREET, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE THE
ISSUE THAT THAT'S BEING REFERENCED, YOU KNOW, AND WITH THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OVER AND TRY TO ADDRESS ANY PROPERTY IN BOSTON OURSELVES. WE'RE GOING TO COMMUNICATE WITH
BOSTON TO ADDRESS IT AS THE SUPERINTENDENT SAID IT IN THE NORMAL MANNER RIGHT. OKAY. I JUST HAD TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I'VE GOTTEN A FEW CALLS ABOUT
THAT SO I'LL CONNECT WITH MY WITH MAXINE ABOUT THAT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. SO HONESTLY I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS SO WANTING TO JUST THINK
SUPERINTENDENT PICCOLO THE CHIEF AND RECONCILED WELL THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NUTS AND BOLTS CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE TO
HAVE IN GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IT'S WORKING SMOOTHLY LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S IMPORTANT SO THAT NO ONE GET SUED AND HAVE A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EVERYONE SO YOU'LL THE REST OF MY TIME,
MR CHAIR INGLETHORPE AND COUNCILOR MURPHY HAVE BEFORE. THANK YOU CHAIR THANK YOU SUPERINTENDENT FOR YOUR
INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND I LIKE YOUR BACKGROUNDS GREEN IS AT THE PARK IN THE SOUTH THERE THAT IS ACTUALLY YES, THAT'S ABOUT TEN YEARS OLD BUT THAT'S WORCESTER SQUARE. YEAH, THAT'S QUITE NICE BUT
ALSO THANK YOU REP CONSALVO OH I KNOW YOUR KNOWLEDGE FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT ROLES YOU PLAYED NOT ONLY JUST BEING A NEIGHBOR BUT YOU KNOW AN AIDE AT THE
STATE HOUSE TO THIS COUNCILOR AND THEN REGALE YOU YOU BEAT ME TO IT. BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK HOW DID YOU GET NUMBER TWO BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE DID FORGET ABOUT MENINO AS ONE OF THE GOOD DISTRICT FIVE COUNCILORS BUT I
HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING AN AT LARGE COUNCILOR SO KNOW VERY WELL GOING AROUND ALL THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS YOU KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU KNOW, NEWTON DEDHAM WHEN YOU'RE IN ALLSTON, BRIGHTON WHEN
YOU'RE IN JAMAICA PLAIN YOU'RE OFTEN CROSSING OVER. I'VE KNOWN JUST FROM LIVING HERE MY WHOLE LIFE THAT THE WAY I ALWAYS KNEW IF I HAD CROSSED INTO BROOKLINE OR OVER THAT ON
THE STREET SIGNS WOULD BE DIFFERENT COLORS OR THE HYDRANTS CHANGE A PAINTED COLOR SO THERE'S WAYS TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU'RE JUST DRIVING THROUGH
. BUT THIS IS A COMMON SENSE ASK THAT WAS SAID EARLIER BY U REP CONSALVO AND JUST SEEMS LIKE
SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT AND THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED I THINK ARE GOOD ONES. I KNOW JUST GROWING UP HERE IN DORCHESTER AND NOW LIVING OFF
OF 203 HERE IN MATTAPAN THAT YOU KNOW GREW UP IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE WERE QUESTIONS YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AT THE INTERSECTION OF ADAMS AND GALLIVAN, IS IT
THE STATE POLICE OR IS IT THE BOSTON POLICE IF YOU'RE PLAYING BASKETBALL AT GARVEY PARK IT'S BOSTON POLICE. IF YOU'RE SKATING AT THE RINK THAT'S IN THE PARK IT'S YOU KNOW, DCR STATE POLICE.
SO YOUR ALL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH UNDERSTAND THIS BUT THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY LIKE DEDHAM ONES THAT NEED TO DEAL
WITH IT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP NOW. THANK YOU. LIKE YOU SAID, NO NEED TO WORRY OR QUESTION WHY IT TOOK 20 YEARS BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS OVER
THE FINISH LINE. SO THERE ARE THERE IS NO QUESTION FOR OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE ALWAYS OUT THERE JUST TRYING TO DO THE BEST ONE ONE
QUESTION THOUGH TOO WOULD THIS OR DOES IT ALREADY APPLY? WOULD DOES IT AFFECT DETAILS? COULD DEDHAM POLICE THEN DO DETAILS AND DOES THE BUFFER GO
IN BOTH DIRECTIONS? IS IT JUST FOR US GOING INTO THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE I THINK YOU SAID WHAT IS IT 500 FEET? DOES IT ALSO GO FROM DEDHAM INTO BOSTON AND IT MAY JUST BE
LIKE THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED IN BACKYARD SO DETAILS WOULDN'T HAPPEN IN THOSE PLACES AND THE OTHER JUST KIND OF CURIOUS
QUESTION IF A CRIME OR AN ACCIDENT LIKE STARTED SAY IN DEDHAM BUT THEN AS YOU'RE PURSUING THEM AND YOU CROSS OVER INTO BOSTON, I MEAN THAT
MUST HAPPEN A LOT AROUND THE CITY BY WHAT LEGALLY BECAUSE YOU DID MENTION THAT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR POLICE IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE PAPERWORK. OBVIOUSLY IT'S SURE THAT PEOPLE
AND OUR POLICE ARE SAFE. RIGHT. WE DON'T EVER WANT POLICE TO FEEL LIKE BECAUSE THEIR INTUITION THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL LIKE WE PUT THEM IN A PLACE WHERE THEM THEY HAVE TO WORRY.
WE DON'T WANT THEIR FAMILIES TO WORRY ABOUT THAT EITHER SO IF YOU COULD JUST TOUCH ON THOSE TWO QUESTIONS SO THE FIRST IS I DO NOT EXPECT IT TO HAVE ANY
EFFECT WHATSOEVER ON DETAILS IT WILL ALLOW FOR SOME GREATER COOPERATION. IT'S PLACES THERE ARE OCCASIONALLY PROJECTS THAT
INVOLVE I'VE HAD IT HAPPEN TO ME WHERE YOU KNOW THERE'S A PROJECT THAT GOES ACROSS THE
CITY LINE, RIGHT AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR EXAMPLE PERHAPS ONE DEDHAM OFFICER ON ONE END AND ONE BOSTON PERSON ON THE OTHER AND THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, WORK
A LITTLE BIT MORE COOPERATIVELY. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BUT AS FAR AS ANY WHOSE DETAIL IS IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE
ANY EFFECT WHERE WHERE THAT'S ONE OF THOSE COUNCIL WHERE WE DO HAVE TIME TO LOOK AND LOOK AT PLOT PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. I MEAN HONESTLY I USE MOSTLY THE CITY OF BOSTON ASSESSOR'S
DATABASE WHEN I LOOK TO SEE WHERE EXACTLY THINGS ARE WHEN THERE'S TIME TO DO SO YOUR SECOND QUESTION BEARS MORE ON
THE ISSUE OF WHAT IS CALLED FRESH AND CONTINUOUS PURSUIT. THE ISSUE THERE IS AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS WILL ADDRESS
WHEN IT'S A FELONY YOU CAN HAVE AND IT'S ARRESTABLE IN YOUR JURISDICTION YOU CAN PURSUE SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION AND PLACE THEM
UNDER ARREST NO PROBLEM ALREADY WHERE IT BECOMES AN ISSUE AND I'M GOING TO GO TO CHIEF DON TREMONT REFERENCE FOR EXAMPLE OF THE SET OF TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON PROVIDENCE HIGHWAY.
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM RIGHT BY THE MCDONALD'S THERE. SO THOSE LIGHTS ARE IN DEDHAM. THE ISSUE BECOMES FOR BUT NEITHER ONE OF US CAN REALLY
ENFORCE THAT LIGHT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STOP SOMEONE OUTSIDE YOUR JURISDICTION FOR A MERE TRAFFIC VIOLATION THAT HAPPENED IN YOUR
JURISDICTION SO HIS OFFICE WOULD GET SENT OUT THERE TO DO TRAFFIC. HE COULD ENFORCE THE RED LIGHT . HE CAN ONLY ENFORCE IT IN ONE
DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEY COMMIT THE VIOLATION IN THE OTHER AND GET STOPPED IN DEDHAM IF EITHER OF US TRIES TO DO IT IN OTHER DIRECTION.
YOU'VE CROSSED THE CITY LINE AND I DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE LIGHTS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN BOSTON AND GET THEM
THING UP STOP THE CAR IN BOSTON BECAUSE THEY'VE LEFT DEDHAM DOES THAT MAKE SENSE THAT I EXPLAIN IT? YEAH. NO, THAT WAS GOOD.
CHIEF ONE LAST QUESTION I AM A TRUE BELIEVER OF NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL AND WE BASICALLY USE THE LANGUAGE FROM THE PAST YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS
TIMES WE DID THIS WITH NEWTON IN BROOKLINE BUT THAT WAS THIS SEEMS LIKE THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES NOW. IS THERE ANY WHICH AS CHANGES
IN SOCIETY LAW DEVELOPMENT THAT WE NEEDED TO AND MAY BECOME RECOGNIZABLE OR YOU KNOW DEDHAM TO MAYBE KNOW IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD OR
TAKE OUT THAT MAY JUST BE DIFFERENT BASED ON DISTANCE AND TIME SINCE IT WAS DONE IN OTHER
NEIGHBORING TOWNS? I'M COUNCILOR I'LL SPEAK FIRST. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING AS YOU SAY, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT. YES, I'M OKAY.
WE'VE BEEN OPERATING WITHOUT WITHOUT A JUST SMOOTH AS GLASS FOR DECADES. AWESOME. THANK YOU AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU CAN HEAR MY DOG SNORING BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE A CALL
FROM HOME SO IF IT'S LOUD I APOLOGIZE BUT I WILL MUTE MYSELF NOW AND JUST THANK YOU FOR FOR THIS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO COMING FORWARD AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO VOTE IN FAVOR THANK YOU IN THE
COUNCIL IT MIGHT BE COUNCILOR FLYNN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO YOU CHAIR FOR THIS IMPORTANT HEARING AND TO
COUNCILOR PEPEN FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD AND REPRESENTATIVE CONSALVO AS WELL FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU TO THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP TO THE CHIEF
OF POLICE AS WELL FOR YOUR IMPORTANT LEADERSHIP AS WELL. REP CONSALVO I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE BUT HE MENTIONED A MUTUAL
FRIEND ALSO ANGELO SCOTIA WHO I'VE KNOWN MY ENTIRE LIFE AND AS WE AS WE CELEBRATE VETERANS DAY I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ANGELO AS A AS A PURPLE HEART RECIPIENT AND VIETNAM VETERAN
AS WELL. SO MY WISH MY FRIEND FRIEND ANGELO HAPPY VETERANS DAY. MAYBE MAYBE ONE QUESTION TO THE SUPERINTENDENT AND I AND I
SUPPORT THIS 100%. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, SUPERINTENDENT IS THIS IS THIS THE ONLY REMAINING EARNING JURISDICTION THAT IS KIND
OF OUTSTANDING THAT NEEDS TO BE SETTLED? AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE ARE THERE OTHER ARE THERE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY THAT BORDER A
PARTICULAR CITY, A TOWN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT AGREEMENT WITHIN? DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE
THAT IN ANOTHER RESOLUTION, IN ANOTHER HEARING I GUESS BUT JUST JUST KIND OF THINKING THINKING OUT LOUD WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS MIGHT BE
SUPERINTENDENT AND DO YOU THINK SO I WOULD NOT PREFER NOT TO COMPLICATE THIS WITH TRYING TO ADD OTHER THINGS TO IT BUT CERTAINLY THERE ARE PLACES YOU
KNOW, ALONG THE CAMBRIDGE CHARLESTOWN BORDER THAT ARE SIMILARLY COMPLETE. WE HAVE WE MAY END UP WITH
HAVING SOMETHING NEEDING SOMETHING SIMILAR IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE SOME DEVELOPMENT OF A STADIUM OR SOMETHING OVER BY
ALFRED STREET. BUT LEGISLATION LIKE THIS IS NECESSARILY DEPENDENT ON YOU KNOW, BOTH MUNICIPALITIES
SEEING THE NEED AND PUSHING FORWARD TOGETHER TODAY I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY OF EVERETT OR THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE HAVE EXPRESSED ANY REAL INTEREST IN
THAT. WELL, THANK YOU, SUPERINTENDENT. THIS IS A COMMON SENSE APPROACH TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IT'S ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER AND I
KNOW THE BOSTON POLICE RESPECT THE THE RESIDENTS OF DEDHAM AND THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL. SO ACKNOWLEDGE THE DEDHAM POLICE TEAM FOR THEIR OUTSTANDING OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. MR CHAIR, I HAVE NO FURTHER
QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FLYNN. COUNCILOR WEBER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
ROB CONSALVO YOU KNOW WHAT IS RANKING IS FOR AS A CITY COUNCILOR IS YOU MAY BE THE BEST REP IN DISTRICT SIX IS IN THE TOP THREE.
I'M NOT SURE BUT SO I GUESS SO ANY QUESTION I GUESS FOR SUPERINTENDENT OR IN TERMS OF THIS 500 YARD NUMBER?
LIKE WHAT? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM? IS THAT A QUESTION FOR SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ORIGINAL BROOKLYN LEGISLATION WAS
EXPRESSED IN RODS AND THAT WAS UPDATED. I THINK AGAIN IT'S JUST SORT OF A COMMON SENSE I DON'T EVER EXPECT THAT TO BE AN ARGUMENT
ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE 500 YARDS OR 499 YARDS. IT'S IT'S A JUST A DISTANCE THAT'S FAR ENOUGH THAT IF YOU GET STUCK OUT IN THE DARK
SOMEWHERE THERE'S NO ARGUING. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. IT JUST STRIPS STRANGE NUMBER. RUNNING TRACK IN HIGH SCHOOL SOMETIMES YOU'D RUN THE 600 METERS, SOMETIMES AT 600 YARDS
AND YOU KNOW EVEN THOUGH WE USE YARDS FOR ANYTHING ANYMORE OTHER THAN FOOTBALL BUT STRICTLY SPEAKING THE YARDS WAS AN UPDATE FROM ROD.
YEAH. SO THEY HAD TO UPDATE ALL THE TRACK AT 440 YARDS FOR 400 METERS AND ANYWAY OKAY MORE IMPORTANTLY. SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE
QUESTIONS COUNCILOR PIPPEN ASKED ABOUT THE TRUST ACT SO I WENT YOU KNOW AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY IMPACT. THAT'S MY SORT OF UNDERSTANDING
. BUT SO IS THERE A MECHANISM BY PASSING THIS WHERE SOMEONE FROM DEDHAM COULD TRY OR SOMEONE
FROM BOSTON COULD GIVE INFORMATION THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DIVULGE UNDER THE TRUST ACT OR ACT ON IT DEAD ON THAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF IT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT BUT JUST
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. YEAH. SO WHAT I'LL SAY IS, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHAT MEMBERS OF THE DEDHAM POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL DO BUT I'LL LET CHIEF TREMONT SPEAK FOR HIS OWN
PEOPLE. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE WOULD CONSIDER IT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD CONSIDER IT ONE OF OUR MEMBERS THAT DID SOMETHING TO TRY TO EVADE THE
STRICTURES OF THE TRUST ACT TO BE MISCONDUCT THAT WOULD BE PUNISHABLE THAT SO IT WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY DOING IT NOW THAT DEDHAM WASN'T INVOLVED IN IT.
ALL RIGHT. WELL, TO SUGGEST A SCENARIO MAYBE IF SOMEBODY FROM BOSTON UM, GOES INTO DEDHAM PURSUE
SOMEBODY INTO DEDHAM LIKE AND WE HAVE RULES HERE WHICH DO NOT NOT PERMIT US TO ASK ABOUT SOMEONE'S IMMIGRATION STATUS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS IN DATA BUT LET'S JUST SAY
YOU COULD YOU KNOW WITH THE BOSTON POLICE OFFICER WHICH WHICH JURISDICTIONAL RULES WOULD HE BE OR SHE BE BOUND BY IF THEY'RE THEY'VE GONE 300
YARDS OR 120 RIDES INTO INTO DEDHAM? I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH AROUND IS THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ALWAYS GOVERNED BY ITS OWN RULES AND THAT INCLUDES THE TRUST ACTS NO MATTER WHERE WE
GO OKAY THAT INCLUDES WITHIN THIS 500 YARD EFFORT IF WE'RE GOING TO ARREST SOMEBODY ON A WARRANT IN STOCKBRIDGE WE ARE STILL COVERED BY THE ACT FOR OUR OWN STAFF.
WE HAVE NO NOBODY NO ARGUMENT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. AND LET'S SEE. YEAH.
I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT AND THEN SO LIKE LIKE LIABILITY THEN BECAUSE OF THIS THEN LIKE AH THE CITY WOULD BE ON THE
HOOK OR WOULD COVER THAT OFF BOSTON POLICE OFFICER IF HE GOES INTO DEDHAM AND DOES SOMETHING WHICH GETS THE CITY
SUED BUT HE SAID THEY WOULD BE COVERED BY THAT EXPLAIN IT MIGHT DO I UNDERSTAND THAT PART RIGHT YOU MENTIONED LIABILITY YOU ARE YOU ARE CORRECT AND THE CITY OF THE TOWN OF DEDHAM WOULD OF COURSE INDEMNIFY OR
CHOOSE NOT TO I SUPPOSE ITS OWN PEOPLE RIGHT. SO LONG AS THEY'RE THERE RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH THAT THAT SOUNDS FINE. I WAS IN YOUR PRESENTATION I
RECOMMEND CROSS TOWN IT GETS AVENUE JUST BEHIND BELIEVE THIS IS I IT LOOKS LIKE A RIGHT ANGLE AND AT THE CORNER IS THE RIGHT ACROSS THE CORNER IS THAT
IS THE DEAD END BORDER AND SOMEBODY CALLED MY OFFICE AND BECAUSE THE CITY OF BOSTON PAVED THE BOSTON PART AND NOT THE DEAD END IT'S LIKE THE SKIP THE CORNER AND THEN ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE OF THE OF THE THE PAVED THAT AND THEY WERE LIKE WHY DIDN'T WE PAVE THE WHOLE STREET AND IT BECAUSE WE LEFT OUT THE MIDDLE IT'S BECAUSE IT CROSSES OVER TO
DEDHAM WE DON'T PAVED OUT OF STREETS AND YOU LOOK AT THE MAP AND IT'S YOU KNOW IT'S AND IT'S INCONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREET. BUT TO ILLUSTRATE THIS POINT I THINK IT IS THAT'S A GOOD ONE
TO LOOK AT. BUT OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU TO THE FILERS AND I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNSELOR SANTANA, MAY I MAY I JUST ADD THAT WE DO HAVE A
POLICY ON IMMIGRATION. WE DON'T ASK ANYONE THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS. OKAY. OKAY. THANKS, COUNSELOR. HOWEVER, I THINK I BELIEVE THAT
THE CAUSE OF DEATH AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST WOULD DO WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR CLOSING STATEMENT HOW
ABOUT YOU GO OR I SHOULD ASK THE SUPERINTENDENT OR CHIEF IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD. I'M JUST THE SUMMARY THAT I THINK IT'S COMMON SENSE
LEGISLATION THAT PROTECTS BOATS PUBLIC SAFETY AND LIABILITY FOR BOTH MUNICIPALITIES. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU AGAIN,
SUPERINTENDENT CHIEF FOR BEING HERE WITH US AS ONE OF OUR CENTRAL STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY?
WE ONLY HAD REPRESENTATIVE CONSTABLES AND NOT SURE. YEAH. YEP. YEP. ALL SET? YEAH. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. WELL, PEPEN, I'LL GET IT.
I'LL HAND OVER TO YOU FOR ANY CLOSING REMARKS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO THANK TO THE CHIEF OF THE POLICE AND TO THE WITNESS RECALL FOR ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO FOR BOTH YOUR YOUR CITIES AND TOWNS.
AGAIN, COMMON SENSE LEGISLATION HERE WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THESE ARE DONE CORRECTLY AND THAT IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY AT AN INTERSECTION OR AT THE BORDER OF HYDE PARK AND DEDHAM
THAT THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT DOES SHOW UP AND THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET THE HELP THAT THEY NEED. SO JUST GLAD THAT MY COLLEAGUE IN GOVERNMENT, REPRESENTATIVE CONSALVO IS FINALLY GETTING IT
DONE AFTER 40 YEARS IN THE MAKING. SO THANKFUL TO HIM AS WELL. I'M ALSO I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY TEAM, TO MY CITY COUNCIL FOR ORGANIZING THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS
HERE FOR TODAY. AND TO YOU MR CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR ORGANIZING THIS HEARING. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FROM ME BECAUSE I WASN'T PREPARED AND THANK YOU
FOR FIGHTING. I REALLY WANT TO THANK THE SUPERINTENDENT AND ACHIEVE FOR BEING HERE AND TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY. AND AS A COUNCILOR I'VE HAD MENTIONED A SPECIAL THANK YOU
TO REPRESENTATIVE GONZALES FOR ALL HIS WORK AND HIS LEADERSHIP . THANK YOU EVERYONE. I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR DAY. THIS HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER
0978 IS ADJOURNED AND AGA