FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS BRIAN. WE'RE OUT DISTRICT FOR CITY COUNCILOR AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS. TODAY'S MARCH 3RD, 2025 IT IS
10:06 A.M. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED IS ALSO BEING LIVE STREAMED AT BOSTON DOT GOV BACKSLASH CITY DAS COUNCILOR DAS TV AND BROADCAST ON EXPANDED CHANNEL EIGHT RCN
CHANNEL 82 AND FILES CHANNEL 964 WRITTEN COMMENT MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT SEC W WB MATT BOSTON DOT GOV IT WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND
AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS. PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP AND WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN
TESTIFYING IN PERSON PLEASE ADD YOUR NAME TO THE SIGN UP SHEET NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER. IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO TESTIFY VIRTUALLY PLEASE EMAIL OUR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON RON COBB
AT OUR OWN DOT COBB AT BOSTON.COM FOR THE LINK AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON TO DOCKET DOCKET NUMBER 0458. MESSAGE IN ORDER AUTHORIZING
THE CITY OF BOSTON TO SUBMIT A STATE OF INTEREST TO THE MASSACHUSETTS BUILDING AUTHORITY CORPS PROGRAM FOR MADISON PARK TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL PURSUANT
TO MDL MDL SEE 70 B FIVE THE STATEMENT OF INTEREST DESCRIBES AND EXPLAINS THE DEFICIENCIES WITHIN THE SCHOOL FACILITY THAT PREVENTS BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS FROM DELIVERING THE DESIRED
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM IN DOCKET NUMBER 0459. MESSAGE IN ORDER AUTHORIZED FOR YOUR APPROVAL AND ORDER AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF BOSTON TO SUBMIT TO THE MASSACHUSETTS
SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY STATEMENT OF INTEREST FOR THE ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM FOR THE FOLLOWING SCHOOLS BOSTON ADULT TECHNICAL ACADEMY HURLEY K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL MILDRED
AVENUE K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL MENDELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. MARY LYON PILOT HIGH SCHOOL JOYCE KILMER LOWER SCHOOL. MARGUERITA MOUNT LINDSAY
ACADEMY ORCHARD GARDENS KATY EIGHT SCHOOL CHARTER K THROUGH SIX ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THE STATEMENTS OF INTEREST DESCRIBE AND EXPLAIN THE DEFICIENCIES IN THE PRIORITY CARD CATEGORY FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON MAY BE
INVITED TO APPLY TO THE MASSACHUSETTS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY IN THE FUTURE. PRIORITY FIVE DASH FOR PLACEMENT RENOVATION OR MODERNIZATION OF THE SCHOOL FACILITY SYSTEMS SUCH AS ROOF
WINDOWS, BOILERS, HEATING AND VENTILATION SYSTEMS TO INCREASE ENERGY CONSERVATION AND DECREASE ENERGY RELATED COSTS IN THE SCHOOL FACILITY.
I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO START STARTED OFF WITH A FEW REMARKS AND THEN PASS IT OFF TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. JUST WANT TO GIVE A BIT OF BACKGROUND. I KNOW AT RECENT BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL COMMITTEE MEETING
MEMBERS HAD GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CRITERIA YOU USE TO DETERMINE WHICH SCHOOLS ARE SELECTED FOR REPAIRS AND THIS PROGRAMS SO WOULD BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION MORE ABOUT THE METRICS USED TO
DETERMINE WHICH BUILDINGS GET ELECTED INTO EACH OF THE IRP AND CORE PROGRAMS AS WELL AS AN UPDATE TO THE CURRENT SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES CURRENTLY MEETING THOSE CRITERIAS.
I'D LIKE TO JUST LET THE RECORD LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY AN ORDER OF ARRIVAL COUNCILOR FLYNN, COUNCILOR MURPHY AND ALSO
COUNCILOR BREADON LIKE TO NOW PASS IT OVER TO COUNCILOR FLYNN FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION PANEL THAT'S HERE.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT PARTNERSHIP THE CITY OF BOSTON HAS WITH THE STATE BUILDING AUTHORITY AND
OBVIOUSLY THE STATE TREASURER'S OFFICE AS WELL. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HOW IMPORTANT THIS PROGRAM IS IN THE CITY SUPPORTING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CHILDREN
AND STUDENTS AND TEACHERS TO LEARN AND IN TEACHING HEALTHY SAFE SCHOOLS. AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS
PROGRAM, HOW IT IMPACTS THE THESE OLDER BUILDINGS. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AND TEAM THAT'S HERE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE COUNCIL YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU TO THIS PANEL. LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING YOUR TESTIMONY THIS MORNING. OUR RELATIONSHIP BRIAN WITH THE MASS MSP IS IMPORTANT.
WE'VE BEEN HERE. THIS IS MY FOURTH YEAR AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PASS SEVERAL ,YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR IMPORTANT WORK NEEDED. I OFTEN TELL THE STORY OF MY FIRST FEW YEARS ON VEEPS THE
SCHOOL I WAS AT THE KINDERGARTEN CLASSROOM, THE BATHROOM ABOVE WOULD LEAK IN SO SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR I WOULD BE OUT BUYING A NEW RUG AND TRYING TO AND ALSO CLEANING OUT THE
VENTILATION SYSTEM AND THE WINDOWS SOMETIMES WOULD NEED TO BE NAILED SHUT SO I ALWAYS YOU KNOW, KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE FINALLY
REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AND PUT THE MONEY WHERE IT'S NEEDED TO INVEST IN THE SCHOOL. OUR TEACHERS, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR STUDENTS DESERVE THAT. AND THEN ALSO TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR NEW
BUILDINGS. SO I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE TIMELINE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND MADISON PARK HIGH AND IF WE GO THIS ROUTE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO THE COMMUNITY POINT AND
PROMISES THAT MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE AND HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WAY? SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BREADON AND COUNCILOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. I'M JUST INTERESTED TO JUST GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THE MSP PROPOSALS THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD AND LEARNING MORE.
I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE MARYLAND PILOT HIGH SCHOOL IS ON THE LIST, THE BUILDINGS ON THE LIST AND ALL THE THE MARYLAND PILOT HIGH SCHOOL IS GOING TO CLOSE BUT THE BUILDING
IS GOING TO BE USED FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GET NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS BUT WE'LL FIND OUT MORE AS WE GO ON THE CONVERSATION. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE
THIS MORNING AND LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO NOW INTRODUCE TODAY'S PANELISTS TESTIFYING ON THE BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION, CARLETON JONES EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR PUBLIC
FACILITIES DEPARTMENT DELIVERANCE DENNIS DENNIS LOST CHIEF OF CAPITAL PLANNING FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. BRIAN FORD CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND BRIAN MC MCLAUGHLIN
SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER MANAGER FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT. THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, MR COUNCILOR. SORRY MR. CHAIR.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAS INTRODUCED CARLTON JONES, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT I HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES FROM BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. BEFORE WE TURN THEM OVER TO THEM I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY
COLLEAGUE FROM PVD SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER BRIAN MCLOUGHLIN. THANK YOU. THANK COUNCILORS WE HAVE A
SLIDE DECK HERE THAT UP. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WORRELL THE MASS SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITY IS A
STATE AUTHORITY THERE OVERSEES FUNDING OF PUBLIC SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS. IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT AGENCY THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE MASSACHUSETTS SALES TAX.
IT FOCUSES ON WORKING WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO CREATE AFFORDABLE, SUSTAINABLE AND ENERGY EFFICIENT SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH. IT HAS TWO PROGRAMS THE
ACCELERATOR REPAIR PROGRAM WHICH IS FOR ROOFS, WINDOWS, DOORS AND THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR THE ACCELERATOR PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE HEAT PUMP CONVERSION PROJECTS.
THE SECOND PROGRAM IS THE CORE PROGRAM THAT'S FOR LARGER SCHOOL BUILDS RENOVATIONS. EXAMPLES OF THAT WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON WILL BE CHOSEN QUINCY UPPER SCHOOL, BOSTON ARTS ACADEMY, DEARBORN ARE THE CAR
SCHOOL WHICH WILL OPEN UP THIS SEPTEMBER IN RECENT SUBMISSIONS TO THE MSSP A THE SHAW TAYLOR AND THE BATSON ACADEMY FIRST
STEP IN THE MSB PROCESS IS TO SUBMIT A STATEMENT OF INTEREST THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL THEIR APPLICATION EACH STATEMENTS OF A STATEMENT OF INTEREST APPLICATION REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE IN THE
CITY COUNCIL TODAY THE PRESENTATION WILL GO THROUGH THE SCHOOLS OF THE CITY AND INTEND TO SUBMIT TO THE MSB FOR CONSIDERATION IN BOTH THE ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM AND
THE CORE PROGRAM WITH THE REQUEST OF THE COUNCIL TO REALLY FAVORABLY SUPPORT THE SUBMISSIONS TO THE MBA AT A SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL HERE COUNCIL MEETING I WOULD THAT
FIRST I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO BRIAN FORD, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHO WILL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE ACCELERATED REPAIR PROGRAM PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PUT FORWARD AND THEN
TO CHIEF STANISLAW WHO WILL GO THROUGH THE COURSE SUBMISSION
RIGHT. GOOD MORNING COUNCILOR. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. SO WITH OUR ACCELERATED REPAIR
ELIGIBILITY WE'VE GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT METRICS SO OUR CELLS ARE ABLE TO BE PUT IN OUR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST. WE LOOKED AT ROOFS THAT ARE GREATER THAN 25 YEARS OLD,
WINDOWS THAT ARE GREATER THAN 30 AND THE PROJECT COST ESTIMATE IS GREATER THAN 250,000. WE'LL ALSO LOOK FOR A COUPLE OF OTHER METRICS OF THE MSB REQUIRED SUCH AS NOT BEING
OVERCROWDED, CONTINUING TO HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL USE AND JUST LIKE MR MCLAUGHLIN SAID BEFORE HE PUMPS IN THE APPLICATION OF THAT BEING NEW THIS YEAR HAS
A COUPLE OF EXTRA METRICS THAT WE NEED TO FACTOR IN MEANING THAT IT MUST NOT HAVE SEEN PIPING, IT MUST BE LESS THAN 30 YEARS OLD AND THE APPLICATION
THAT MUST BE SUBMITTED FOR A ROOF IF IT IS UNDER 15 YEARS OLD OVER 15 YEARS SO THE
OVERALL CONDITION OF THE ASSET IS FACTORED IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS FOR US. SO WE HAD THE ASSET OF EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS AS WELL AS OUR OPPORTUNITY INDEX THIS YEAR WE HAD THE FACILITIES
CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT HELPED US AID IN THE UNDERSTANDING AND SUBMISSION OF THIS DATA AS WELL AS THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT INVESTING IN BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO FIT THE NEEDS
OF OUR STUDENT OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. WE ALSO LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THE SAME THINGS THAT I MENTIONED ON PREVIOUS SLIDE WHICH IS 30 PLUS YEARS OLD FOR THE WINDOWS AND 25 YEARS OLD
PHOTOGRAPHS HERE YOU CAN SEE THE SUBMISSION OF THAT THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT WE HAD BOSTON ADULT TECHNICAL ACADEMY PRE-K THROUGH EIGHT AND
THE MILDRED AVENUE K THROUGH EIGHT SCHOOL FOR ROOFS MENDEL ELEMENTARY, MARY LYONS PILOT HIGH SCHOOL AND JOYCE KILMER LOWER SCHOOL FOR WINDOWS AND DOORS AND MARGARITA MUNIZ
ORCHARD GARDENS AND THE TROTTER FOR THE HEAT PUMP WITH ORCHARD GARDENS ALSO GETTING A ROOF ADDITION HERE YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT WE HAVE THE MARY LINE SCHOOL WHICH WE DID ANNOUNCED IS GOING TO HAVE A
CONFIGURATION CHANGE IN SCHOOL YEAR 2627. WE PLAN ON MAKING SURE THAT THIS BUILDING IS CONTINUED TO BE USED OVER THERE FOR AN EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE FOR THE
MARY LYONS LOWER COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD AND I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO CHIEF OF CAPITAL PLANNING DELAVAN
STANISLAUS THANK YOU. CHIEF FORD GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. DALE STANISLAUS CHIEF OF CAPITAL PLANNING I AM GOING
TO GO INTO THE CORE PROGRAM SUBMISSION FOR THE MSP. I AM EXCITED TO PRESENT MADISON PARK TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL FOR THE MASSACHUSETTS
SCHOOL BUILDING AUTHORITIES 2025 CORE PROGRAM. I'LL FIRST WALK YOU THROUGH OUR DEEP COMMITMENT TO THE MADISON PARK REDESIGN PROJECT THE WORK
WE'VE DONE SO FAR, THE LENGTHY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT SHAPED IT AND WHY PURSUING MSP FUNDING IS THE BEST AND MORE STRATEGIC PATH FORWARD TO SEE
THIS PROMISE THROUGH. AS WE ALL KNOW MADISON PARK DESERVES A WORLD CLASS FACILITY
THAT MATCHES THE EXCELLENCE
OF ITS STUDENTS AND PROGRAMS.
THIS IS A DELAY AND HAVE
KIDS THAT'S NEXT ON THEIR YEAH YOU JUST SAY NEXT SLIDE AND THEY'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. OKAY YEAH.
THE CITY OF BOSTON HAVE A STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MSSP AND OUR COOPERATION HAS LED TO SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS ON SEVERAL KEY CORE PROGRAM
PROJECTS ROUTE BATSON ACADEMY IN DECEMBER 2024 THE SCHOOL WAS INVITED INTO THE MSP CORE PROGRAM. WE ARE EXCITED TO OFFICIALLY
BEGIN THE PROJECT THIS SUMMER. SHAH TAYLOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AFTER BEING INVITED INTO THE PROGRAM IN DECEMBER OF 2023. THIS PROGRAM IS NOW PREPARING
TO ENTER THE FEASIBILITY STAGE THE CARTER SCHOOL ACCEPTED INTO THE CORE PROGRAM IN 2017. THE CARTER SCHOOL IS ON TRACK TO BE COMPLETED AND READY TO
WELCOME STUDENTS THIS FALL. JQ WEST UPPER SCHOOL JUST COMPLETED THE MSP PROJECT AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS SCHOOL YEAR LOOKING AHEAD WE HOPE TO
CONTINUE OUR SUCCESSFUL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MSP THROUGH THE MADISON PARK PROJECT NEXT LIFE SINCE THE
FEASIBILITY STUDY WE HAVE BEEN MEETING CONSISTENTLY WITH THE MADISON PARK LEADERSHIP TEAM AND STAFF THE SCHOOL PARENT COUNCIL, THE SCHOOL SIDE
COUNCIL STUDENT GOVERNMENT, MADISON PARK ALUMNI AND FRIENDS OF MADISON PARK TO GIVE REGULAR UPDATES AND HEAR FEEDBACK. WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE MADISON
PARK COMMUNITY HAS DIRECTLY SHAPED EVERY STAGE OF THIS PROJECT SINCE THE BEGINNING. SOME OF THE MAIN PRIORITIES WE'VE HEARD TO MAINTAIN A
DIVERSE ARRAY OF CITY PROGRAMS INCLUDING PROPOSALS FOR NEW PROGRAMS WITH STRONG STRONG CAREER PATHWAYS TO BETTER INTEGRATE ACADEMIC AND
VOCATIONAL EDUCATION TO BETTER INTEGRATE MADISON PARK WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY SUCH AS THROUGH THE PUBLIC FACING CTE
PROGRAMS AND TO KEEP BUILDING A STRONG AND UNITED MADISON PARK COMMUNITY A REDESIGNED FACILITY WILL BETTER SUPPORT ALL THESE PRIORITIES.
BUT THERE'S A LOT WE CAN DO EVEN BEFORE THE NEW BUILDING IS COMPLETE TO DELIVER MEANINGFUL RESULTS FOR CURRENT MADISON PARK STUDENTS.
THIS MARCH WE ARE LAUNCHING A COMMUNITY WORKING GROUP TO BRING TOGETHER STAKEHOLDERS FROM EACH OF THE MADISON PARK COMMUNITY GROUPS WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH. THIS GROUP WILL SERVE AS A
DEDICATED SPACE TO ENSURE COMMUNITY VOICES ARE HEARD THROUGH THE PROJECT AND WE ARE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR COMMITMENTS.
NEXT SLIDE THE COST ESTIMATES WE GOT BACK FROM OUR DESIGN TEAM LAST FALL WERE MUCH HIGHER
THAN WE EXPECTED ROUGHLY 680 TO 700 MILLION FOR A NEW BUILD OR 700 TO $720 MILLION FOR A GOT RENOVATION. I WANT TO CONTEXTUALIZE THESE
NUMBERS AND EXPLAIN WHY THERE ARE SO HIGH VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOLS ARE ALWAYS THE MOST EXPENSE EXPENSIVE SCHOOL PROJECTS THEY REQUIRE A LOT
MORE SPACE AND A LOT MORE VERY SPECIALIZED SPACES THAT TYPICAL HIGH SCHOOLS DO NOT REQUIRE. WE EXPECTED MADISON PARK TO BE
THE MOST EXPENSIVE CAPITAL PROJECT IN HISTORY AND THE CITY AND VP'S HAVE BEEN PREPARED TO PRIORITIZE MADISON PARK IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET THE ESTIMATE
THAT WE GOT BACK IN THE FALL REFLECT THE NEW REALITY OF CONSTRUCTION COST NATIONWIDE POST-PANDEMIC WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY OUR RESPONSIBLE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE GOOD
PHYSICAL STEWARDS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND SO WE CROSS-CHECKED OUR NUMBERS WITH OTHER VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS STATEWIDE. OUR ESTIMATES ARE SQUARELY IN LINE WITH WHAT OTHER VOCATIONAL
SCHOOLS IN THE REGION HAVE SEEN IN RECENT YEARS. THROUGH ANY DESIGN PROCESS THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THE COST DOWN.
BUT WITH 700 MILLION AS THE ESTIMATED STARTING POINT, THE ONLY WAY TO GET THE COST DOWN TO A LEVEL THAT CITY COULD SUPPORT ON ITS OWN WOULD BE TO SIGNIFICANTLY DOWNSIZE THE
PROJECT. WHETHER THAT MEANS REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CTE PROGRAMS OR RENOVATING ONLY CERTAIN SPACES
AND NOT OTHERS THAT'S NOT A SACRIFICE WE'RE WILLING TO MAKE THE CLEAREST PATH FORWARD TO DELIVER A FULLY REDESIGNED MADISON PARK TO SEEK IS TO SEEK
PARTNERSHIP FROM THE STATE. LAST FALL WE BEGAN EXPLORING THAT WHAT THE APPLICATION WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSIVE WORK WE'VE DONE WITH
THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP A DETAILED EDUCATION NOW VISION FOR MADISON WE BELIEVE WE'RE IN A STRONG POSITION TO PUT FORWARD A COMPELLING STATEMENT
OF INTEREST TO THE MBA. I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT THAT SEEK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE MSI WILL SHIFT THE PROJECT TIMELINE.
WE EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM THE MSP BY END OF THIS YEAR IF WE ARE INVITED INTO THE PROGRAM THIS YEAR WE WOULD BEGIN WORKING WITH THE MSP TO COMPLETE EACH OF THE STEPS IN
THE CORE PROGRAM PROCESS SHOWN TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT FOR MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND FOR MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WITHIN
BPF AND THE CITY WE WISH THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED FASTER. CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS TAKE TIME AND MADISON PARK IS PARTICULARLY COMPLEX BUT WE
REMAIN 100% COMMITTED TO THIS PROJECT AND BELIEVE THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MADISON HISTORY WE HAVE A REAL PLAN TO TO FINALLY GET IT DONE. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR
THAT EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING PROJECTS PROJECT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN WE'D LIKE OUR INVESTMENT IN MADISON PARK ARE HAPPENING NOW AND WILL CONTINUE
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH MADISON PARKS SCHOOL LEADER PAUL NEAL AND THE MADISON PARK LEADERSHIP TEAM. WE ARE WORKING ON SEVERAL INITIATIVES INCLUDING EXPANDED OPPORTUNITIES FOR STUDENTS TO
GET HANDS HANDS ON PAID EXPERIENCES IN THEIR FIELDS MODERNIZING CURRICULUM AND TECHNOLOGY AND INCREASING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CTE PROGRAMS.
WE ARE EXCITED FOR THIS NEW BUILDING BUT WE'RE ALSO DOING THE WORK RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE ALL OF MADISON PARK'S CURRENT STUDENTS HAVE AMAZING
OPPORTUNITIES DURING THEIR TIME AT MADISON PARK AND GRADUATE WITH A CLEAR PATHWAY TO COLLEGE OR CAREER.
NEXT SLIDE STATEMENT OF INTERESTS SUBMISSIONS TO BOTH PROGRAMS WE DISCUSSED TODAY THE ERP AND CORE PROGRAM
REQUIRE VOTES BY THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE AND THE CITY COUNCIL. THE SCHOOL COMMITTEE VOTED AFFIRMATIVELY ON THE ERP SUBMISSION AND WE PRESENTED THE CORE PROGRAM SUBMISSION TO THAT
BODY LAST WEEK. THE APPLICATION FOR THE ERP IS DUE MARCH 21ST AND THE APPLICATION FOR THE CORE PROGRAM IS DUE APRIL 11TH.
WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT IN OUR APPLICATIONS IF APPROVED WE EXPECT TO RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THE MSP BY THE END OF 2025. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
SUPPORT OF THIS EFFORT AND WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS STARTING WITH COUNCILOR FLYNN.
COUNCILOR THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU MR CHAIR. AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION TEAM FOR BEING HERE, FOR PRESENTING THIS THE
WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST HAVE HAD SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF I CAN ASK ANYONE ON THE PANEL THAT WANTS TO
WANTS TO RESPOND. CAN WE JUST GET AN IDEA OF HOW MADISON PARK RENOVATION WILL COST $500 MILLION?
HOW DID THAT HOW DID THAT IDEA COME UP AND HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT FIGURE $500 MILLION
HOW MUCH DOES THE START? I GUESS SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND THAT WAS A WAY TO ASSESS BASICALLY THE NEED OF THE SCHOOL AND AN APPROXIMATE
AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST. THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS DONE YEARS AGO AND UNFORTUNATELY YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING COSTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT $600 PER SQUARE FOOT AND NOW
WE'RE LOOKING AT WE HAVE A RECENT PROJECT JUST CAME IN IT WAS A 1300 DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT SO COSTS HAVE INCREASED ASTRONOMICALLY SINCE THEN AND WHEN YOU HAVE A FEASIBILITY
STUDY IT'S NOT A AN ACTUAL DESIGN ESTIMATE. IT'S JUST A IT'S LITERALLY AN ESTIMATE. OKAY. CAN YOU JUST WALK ME THROUGH
THE PROCESS OF WHEN WE APPLY FOR THE MADISON PARK FUNDING WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE WITH THE PREVIOUS DESIGN PREVIOUS WORK
ALREADY DONE, HOW WOULD IMPACTS THAT AND IF WE DON'T GET THE FUNDING WOULD WE STILL USE THE SAME DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND IN IF WE GET THE FUNDING
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN SYSTEM. IS THAT IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY IT'S BASICALLY ACCURATE SO THE SBA HAS A VERY SPECIFIC AND
DEFINED PROCESS FOR PROJECTS WHEN THEY ARE IN THEIR PROGRAM. AND SO IF THE PROJECT IF THE SBA DOES ACCEPT THE MADISON PARK PROJECT INTO THE INITIATIVE PROGRAM, THEN
OF COURSE THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS WHICH THEY WOULD THEN SELECT A NEW OPM OR OWN AS PROJECT MANAGER AND THEY WOULD ALSO SELECT A NEW DESIGN TEAM. HOWEVER, IT'S OUR HOPE THAT
SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT TOGETHER WOULD BE USEFUL SHOULD THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW THERE THEY WOULD GO BACK AND PERFORM A FEASIBILITY STUDY. WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT COULD HELP AT LEAST JUMPSTART THAT THAT SORT OF THINKING THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO JUMPSTART THAT
PROCESS. WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF THAT ALREADY ALTHOUGH WE ARE VERY MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THE SBA DOES HAVE ITS OWN OWN SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AND STEPS.
SO IT WOULD IT WOULD REQUIRE A WHOLE NEW TEAM IF THE SBA DOES ACCEPT US INTO THE PROGRAM. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT THE DESIGN TEAM THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH
NOW PERKINS ARE WELL THEY'RE VERY MUCH MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THEY WANT THEY WILL APPLY AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN AN APPLICATION BUT THERE'S NO
GUARANTEE WAS ALWAYS WAS THE DESIGN TEAM IS THAT THE CONSULTANT OR IS THAT THE CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT OR PRESENTLY YES OKAY SO WE YES WE
HAVE A CONTRACT WITH PERKINS WELL AT THE MOMENT OKAY. AND RIGHT NOW THAT'S ON PAUSE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE TAKING THIS NEXT STEP AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND
THEY WOULD MORE THAN HAPPILY WORK WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE SBA PROCESS OR NOT. IS IT EXPENSIVE FOR THE FOR A CONSULTANT OR FOR AN ARCHITECT TO PRODUCE A PLAN'S
ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR FOR THIS FOR THE NEW SCHOOL? YES, IT IS. WHAT IS THAT WHAT DOES THAT USUALLY WHAT COULD THAT RUN? IS THAT JUST GIVE US A BALLPARK?
I'M NOT SURE OF WHAT THE ESTIMATES WOULD BE IS AND I'M REALLY BAD WHEN I DO THAT. I RATHER IF I MIGHT JUST GIVE YOU THE ACTUAL NUMBER THAT'S YEAH GET UP AND GIVE IT TO YOU. THAT'S FINE. OKAY.
YEAH IT'S IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A RUSH I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ANY MORE TIME FOR MY CALLS SO IF IF MADISON PARK HIGH SCHOOL
TECHNICAL AND VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL I WENT TO A TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL IN BOSTON. I WENT TO DON BOSCO. I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OBVIOUSLY OF VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL HIGH
SCHOOL IF BOSTON WAS NOT SELECTED CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE OR WHAT THE STEPS WOULD BE TO? CERTAINLY WE ALL SUPPORT
BUILDING AND BUILDING A NEW HIGH SCHOOL BUT WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE IF THAT DIDN'T TAKE PLACE IF THAT FUNDING DIDN'T COME THROUGH?
I CAN THINK OF SO IF SO THERE'S A COMMITMENT FROM BOTH THE MAYOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT ON THE MADISON PARK PROJECT. OBVIOUSLY IF IT DOES NOT GO
THROUGH THIS MUST BE A PROCESS RIGHT NOW THE CITY IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET THERE'S A 5,000,500 AND $500 MILLION SORRY HOLD FOR THE MADISON PARK PROJECT. IF IT DOES NOT GO THROUGH THIS
MUST BE A PROCESS. IT'S IT'S ONE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIKE COME BACK TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND TO LOOK AT LIKE WHAT TRADE OFFS NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE
MADISON PARK PROJECT. THANK YOU MR CHAIR, I HAVE QUESTIONS BUT I'LL WAIT TILL THE NEXT ROUND OUT OF RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR MURPHY
COUNCILOR YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, CHAIR THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. WELL, FIRST OFF, HOW MUCH DID
THE DEARBORN SCHOOL, THE CARVER SCHOOL AND THE JOSIAH QUINCY SCHOOL COST US? YEAH. SO THANK YOU.
AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING THAT UP, DOES THE DOES THE MBA ALREADY HAVE THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN OR WILL THAT BE REQUIRED WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS GO IN?
I KNOW ON JANUARY 8TH EIGHT WEEKS AGO I DID FILE A HEARING ORDER THAT HASN'T BEEN SCHEDULED YET. I'VE BEEN AGGRESSIVELY TRYING TO GET THAT ON THE CALENDAR TO ADDRESS THE LONG TERM
FACILITIES PLAN AND BP'S CLOSURES. WELL WILL THAT BE REQUIRED IN THE APPLICATION?
SO THE MBA DOES LIKE THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN IS PUBLIC. THE MBA IS AWARE OF LIKE THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN OUTSIDE OF THE MADISON PARK PROJECT.
OUR TEAM HAS LIKE PARTNERED WITH THE MBA BOTH ON THE THE RUBRIC THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN AND THE FACILITIES CONDITION ASSESSMENT. WE'VE PRESENTED TO THE MSP
THOSE STANDARDS A NUMBER OF TIME WHICH THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF. SO IT'S BEEN A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS SPECIFIC TO THE MADISON PARK PROJECT IF THE LONG TERM
IF THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN IS GOING TO BE INPUTTED AS PART OF THE CORE APPLICATION, THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN IS NOT GOING TO BE LINKED TO
THE APPLICATION. HOWEVER THE INFORMATION FROM THE FACILITY'S CONDITION ASSESSMENT AND ALSO THE INFORMATION WILL BE A PART AND ALL OF THE WORK THAT THE TEAM
HAS DONE LIKE WITH THE DESIGNERS ETC. DO THAT IS ALL INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED FOR AN MSP APPLICATION SO THAT WORK IS LIKE STRENGTHENING THE HAS ALLOWED US TO STRENGTHEN THE
MSP APPLICATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN SUBMITTING TO THE MSP. OKAY BRIAN DID YOU GET THOSE PLEASE? THANK YOU. SURE.
INTO JUST A PIGGYBACK WADDELL SAID OF ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT THE MSP ASKS IN THEIR STATEMENT OF INTEREST IS WHETHER OR NOT THE DISTRICT HAS A MASTER FACILITIES PLAN SO
THEY WE CAN ATTACH IF NEEDED BUT ALSO AT SOME IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY ASK ALL DISTRICTS AS PART OF THE PROCESS SO THE
DEARBORN WAS ROUGHLY 73.5 MILLION PLUS KNOX ACADEMY WAS 137.5 MILLION. THE CHARTER IS ESTIMATED TO BE
$92 MILLION DESIRE QUINCY WAS 223 MILLION JUST OVER $223 MILLION AND MADISON PARK IS ESTIMATED OVER 700 MILLION
ABOUT YES YEAH ABOUT YEAH AND IT'S CHANGING EVERY DAY BUT OKAY SO WHEN THE MAYOR SUBMITTED THE GREEN NEW DEAL SHE COMMITTED TO $2 BILLION IN
FUNDING FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS THE DISTRICT HOW MUCH MONEY WILL BE LEFT OVER OTHER SCHOOLS IF CLOSE TO 800 MILLION OF THE
2 BILLION WILL BE SPENT IT'S COMMITTED IF THE PROCESS AND HOW MUCH WILL MSP KICK IN BECAUSE WE'LL STILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR A LOT OF IT IT WILL BE A PORTION. SO WHAT PERCENTAGE IF WE DID
THIS APPROVED? SO LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY THE PROJECT SO RIGHT NOW THE PROJECT ESTIMATE OF $700 MILLION SO IT WOULD BE MSP
WOULD KICK BACK A THIRD OF THAT SO IT WOULD BE ABOUT $230 MILLION. HALF A BILLION WILL BE SPENT SO
OF THE HALF BILLION THAT WE CAN EXPECT TO PAY AT LEAST BECAUSE WE WE'VE COMMITTED THAT IF THIS PROCESS DOESN'T WORK WE ARE STILL BUILDING A NEW MADISON PARK AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT
CORNERS. SO AT LEAST 25% OF THE COMMITTED 2 BILLION IS GOING TO GO TO MASS AND SO DOES THAT AFFECT THE PLANS FOR OTHER
SCHOOLS THAT NEEDED AND WE'LL NEED WORK ALSO SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE TAKING A YEAR OF A YEAR APPROACH UNLIKE WHAT SCHOOLS ARE MOVING FORWARD IN THE
CAPITAL BUDGET RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AS I SAID, THE ROOFTOPS IN THE ACADEMY AND ALSO THE SHORT TAYLOR SO THOSE PROJECTS ARE MOVING FORWARD TO THE MSP.
THERE'S ALSO THE IRVIN PROJECT THAT'S BEING COMPLETED BUT ALSO THOSE ARE LIKE LARGE SCALE NEW BUILDS AND RENOVATION BUT AS PART OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET IS
ALSO DOING SMALLER SCALE RENOVATION TO SCHOOLS AND SOME OF THOSE SCHOOLS THAT WE WOULD SUBMIT FOR CAPITAL BUDGET SMALLER SCALE RENOVATION ARE SCHOOLS THAT WERE SUBMITTED
UNDER THE GREEN NEW DEAL AS WELL. WHERE WILL THE NEW FACILITY BE PLACED AND WHAT WHAT EFFECTS IS THIS GOING TO HAVE ON THE O'BRYANT WHICH SHARES A CAMPUS
AND DOES SHARE SEVERAL SPACES IN BOTH SCHOOLS AND THE PROJECTION IS THAT WE HOPE THAT WE'LL HAVE 1000 MORE SEATS AT MADISON PARK. WHY AND HOW WILL THAT AFFECT
THE ENROLLMENT AT OUR OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AS PART OF THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN WORK, IT'S BUILDING SCHOOLS BUT ALSO
CLOSING AND MERGING SCHOOLS SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR LONGER TERM PROJECTIONS, THERE ARE SCHOOLS THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING YEAR OVER YEAR
FOR CLOSING THAT WILL CLOSE. AND SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MADISON PARK NUMBERS, I THINK STUDENTS ARE GOING TO FILL THOSE SEATS. TRUE. SOME LIKE HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT
HOPEFULLY WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE OUR RECRUITMENT PROCESS FOR MADISON PARK. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STARTED NOW. SO TO RECRUITMENT STUDENTS ARE
GOING TO FILL SEATS FROM CLOSURES AND ALSO THE CONTINUED CREATIVE RECONFIGURATION WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AND IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF LIKE THE BUILDING WHERE
STUDENTS WOULD GO ONCE THE PROJECT LIKE STARTS AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH LIKE THE DESIGN PROCESS, SWING SPACE IS GOING TO BE A PART OF THAT
CONVERSATION SO A PART OF THAT MSP BE A FEASIBILITY PROCESS IS LIKE LOOKING AT OPTIONS ON WHERE TO BUILD, ARE WE LOOKING AT SWING SPACE ETC. SO WE'LL FIGURE WE'LL WE'LL WORK IN
COLLABORATION SO WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN YET BUT WHAT WHAT WILL THE O'BRIANT BE GETTING SO A PART OF SO THE PLAN WOULD BE SO
WE HAD IT SO WE AS PART OF THIS DESIGN PROCESS WE ALREADY STARTED A PLAN WE STARTED THAT PLAN THAT THE DESIGNERS GAVE US MULTIPLE OPTIONS.
ONE OF THEM WAS RENOVATING THE BUILDING AND LOOKING AT SWING SPACE SO WE HAVE A SWING SPACE OPTION. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW BUILD OPTION FOR THE MADISON PARK PROJECT THAT WAS PRESENTED IN TERMS
OF LIKE BUILDING ON FIELDS WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE MSP, IF WE GO THROUGH THE MSP PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIKE WORK ON THE WORK WITH THE MSP ON LIKE WHAT THOSE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS
WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH THE MSP AS YOU KNOW THE IT WOULD START OVER THE PROCESS WOULD START OVER BUT THAT'S FOR IN TERM WE'LL COME BACK OKAY BUT CAN I
JUST I NO I KNOW BUT WHEN WE COME BACK THEN BECAUSE WHAT I WAS ASKING IS WHAT ABOUT THE O'BRYANT WHICH SHARES THE SPACE AND WE DIDN'T GET THAT ANSWER AT ALL. SO I WILL WAIT. BUT YOU KEPT TALKING ABOUT LIKE
MADISON PARK AND SWING SPACE WHICH I KNOW WHEN I'VE BEEN ON THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE REBUILD THERE WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE THEM MAYBE TO MULTI THERE'S LOTS THINGS THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN
BUT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT DOES THE O'BRYANT BUILDING WHAT WILL THEY BE GETTING AS WELL SO I'LL WAIT BUT THERE WAS AN ADDRESS AND THANK YOU THANK YOU COUNCILOR MY FIRST ONE
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COUNCILOR MEJIA HAS JOINED US AND WE ALSO HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER OF ABSENCE FROM COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE COUNCILOR BREADON THE FLOOR IS
YOURS. SO IF THE MADISON PARK PROJECT I LOOK THE NUMBERS ARE ASTRONOMICAL IN TERMS OF THE INFLATION AND COST OF BUILDING
ANYTHING IN THE CITY WE FEEL THAT WE HAVE FACING THE SAME CHALLENGES WITH HOUSING. SO IN TERMS SWING SPACE, YOU
KNOW I THINK IT'S A VERY REAL AND REASONABLE QUESTION THAT COMES TO MURPHY'S ASKING IS ARE WE ARE WE FOCUSED ON A COMPLETE
REBUILD ARE WE GOING TO DO LIKE A GUT REHAB? DO WE KNOW WHERE WE'VE LANDED ON THAT PIECE? SO WITH THE PROCESS WITH THE
MUST BE ONE WE'RE GOING THROUGH LIKE THE FEASIBILITY OPTIONS THE MSP WOULD LET US KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH OUR RENOVATION AND OR NEW BUILD SO IT IS BUILT IN TO THE CPA PROCESS. YEAH, WE DON'T GO IN WITH LIKE THIS IS THE OPTION THAT WE MUST LEAD. YEAH. SO AS PART OF THE MSP PROCESS
WHEN WE BRING ON THE OWNERS PROJECT MANAGER AND THE ARCHITECT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VERY RIGOROUS FEASIBILITY STUDY IN THE MBA REQUIRES ALL DISTRICTS DURING THE
FEASIBILITY STUDY TO LOOK AT MULTIPLE OPTIONS INCLUDING NO BUILD OPTIONS ADDITION RENOVATION OPTIONS AND NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION OPTIONS. SO ALL THOSE OPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE TABLE WHEN YOU START THE MBA PROCESS AND THE
CONSULTANT TEAM WILL WORK WITH THE DISTRICT, THE SCHOOL AND THE COMMUNITY TO TO GO THROUGH THOSE OPTIONS AND SEE WHAT'S THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE EDUCATIONALLY APPROPRIATE SOLUTION FOR THE DISTRICT
NEEDS. SO SO YOU MAKE THE SUBMISSION WHAT'S THE TIMELINE LIKE BRIAN YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SO YEAH SO WE'LL SUBMIT IN WILL
BASED UPON THE PAST TWO YEARS WITH THE SHOT TAILOR IN THE BOOTH BATTS AND WE'VE FOUND WE WERE NOTIFIED IN DECEMBER
OF THE YEAR SO WE'LL LIKELY FIND OUT IN THE WINTER OF 25 IF MASS AND PARK WILL BE APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD INTO THE MBA
PROCESS THAT THAT THAT DOESN'T YOU DON'T START DESIGNING IMMEDIATELY. YES SO TO START OF IT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A AN ELIGIBILITY PERIOD OF DO THEY CALL IT TO
COMPLETE SEVERAL ACTION ITEMS SHOWING THAT THE DISTRICT HAS THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT WE'VE DONE SO FOR THE SHOT TAILOR WE'RE STARTING THAT NOW WITH THE BATSON ACADEMY. SO HAVE YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME IN TERMS OF SO SOME OF THAT GROUNDWORK ALREADY DONE FROM OUR SIDE OF THE FENCE IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT OPTIONS AND SO ARE WE IN A GOOD SPACE FOR
ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS FROM MUST BE AND THEN GO THROUGH AND SPEAK YET YES IN TERMS OF LIKE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD AND STARTING THE FEASIBILITY STUDY I THINK FOR MADISON PARK WE'RE IN A VERY GOOD SPOT BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DONE
WITH THE OLD CONSULTANT TEAM. YEAH, IN TERMS OF ELIGIBILITY PERIOD ACTION ITEMS A LOT OF THAT A LOT THEM ARE THE SAME
REQUIREMENTS FROM YEAR TO YEAR SO WE'VE DONE SO WE'VE SUBMITTED THEM FOR SHORETEL WILL DO SO WE'LL START JULY FOR THE BATSON AND THEN IF MADISON
PARK HOUSEHOLDER DO THE SAME YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH MADISON PARK FOR EONS AND CAN YOU GIVE US SORT OF A REALISTIC SORT OF TIMELINE LIKE
WE SUBMIT IN APRIL? THE FEASIBILITY STUDY STARTS IN DECEMBER, I THOUGHT CORRECT. YOU KNOW WHEN WHEN WE GET THE GO AHEAD LIKE IF WE'RE
SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THAT'S AN IF THAT'S A BIG IF AS WELL WHEN WHEN WOULD WE GET THE GO AHEAD TO START WORK. SO I THINK THE THE IF WE'RE LOOKING IF WE'RE FOLLOWING THE
MSP PROCESS RIGHT THEY HAVE A VERY DEFINED PROCESS. WE FIND OUT IN DECEMBER THAT WE'RE INVITED INTO ELIGIBILITY PERIOD. THAT'S A NINE MONTH TIME PERIOD
THAT THE MSP PUTS IN PLACE. SO FALL 2026 WE WOULD LIKELY COMPLETE ELIGIBILITY PERIOD SAY 3 TO 4 MONTHS TO BRING ON A CONSULTANT TEAM.
WE'D LIKELY START DESIGN IN WINTER OF 2027 FOR A NEW MADISON PARK WINTER 2027 YEAH
PROBABLY JANUARY 2026 JANUARY 27 AND AGAIN THAT'S NOT THAT'S DUE TO THE MSB A PROCESS IT'S NOT US HOLDING ANYTHING BACK
THAT'S A MUST TRY TO MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AT THE MSP. SO WHAT ARE OUR CHANCES OF GETTING IT APPROVED?
I THINK I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MSP BUT THAT THE TRACK RECORD THAT THE CITY HAS ESTABLISHED OF THE MSB 843
ELIGIBLE 43 SALARY REPAIR PROJECTS IN THEIR PIPELINE FIVE OR SIX CORE PROGRAM IN THE PAST TWO YEARS WE'VE GOT THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD INTO
THE MSP PROCESS. I THINK THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS BETWEEN THE TWO HAVE ESTABLISHED A RELATIONSHIP THAT I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE LOOKED UPON FAVORABLY BUT AGAIN MSP HAS TO WEIGH THIS
APPLICATION AGAINST ALL THE OTHER APPLICATIONS THEY RECEIVED FROM THE COMMONWEALTH. YEAH OKAY.
THE OTHER QUESTION WAS I GO BACK TO IT AS WELL AS THE O'BRYANT IS AND PART OF THE BUILDING PART OF THE COMPLEX LIKE IN TERMS OF CONTINGENCIES
FOR AN NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO START THIS IN FOUR YEARS BUT IN TERMS OF THE CONTINGENCIES FOR WHERE WE WOULD PUT THEM PUT THE O'BRYANT BECAUSE I CAN'T
IMAGINE THAT THEY'LL BE ON SITE WITH A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT HAPPENING THERE. ANY ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE MANAGED BECAUSE I
KNOW THAT'S PART OF IT. IT'S LIKE A BIG JIGSAW PUZZLE. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE BITS AND PIECES OF IT. I THINK THAT BE PART OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THE WORK THAT'S DONE BETWEEN THE CONSULTANT TEAM AND THE DISTRICT YES MM HMM. OKAY.
AND OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. NO FOR NOW. MR CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR ME HERE. COUNCILOR YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY. YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT YOU ARE. I CAME HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU LOTS OF QUESTIONS. I'M CURIOUS.
CAN YOU LOWER MY GOT TO BE SO I FEEL REALLY LOUD CAN LOWER ME. THANK YOU.
SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE MADISON PARK SITUATION. I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUES ASK QUESTIONS BUT I WANT TO GET A LITTLE BIT LATER FOCUS IF YOU
COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU WALKED INTO THE MADISON PARK REDESIGN AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TO ASK WHO'S BEEN HERE THE LONGEST BECAUSE WE KEEP CHANGING THINGS UP. WHO HAS THE MOST HISTORICAL
CONTEXT ABOUT THIS. SO I'M JUST YEAH, I'VE GOT TO SAY I AM BUT I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT FROM ITS VERY BEGINNING BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A WHEN DID IT START JUST FOR THE RECORD WELL I'LL LOOK AT THE DATE I'D RATHER GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ALMOST 14 YEARS. IT IF THAT'S THE CASE HAS BEEN IN DIFFERENT PHASES THIS PROCESS I WOULD SAY DIDN'T YOU KNOW THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THE
FEASIBILITY PHASE DID NOT START EARLIER THAN MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO BUT I'D RATHER GET THE ACTUAL DATE BECAUSE WE HAVE A STUDY AND I CAN LOOK IT UP AND SEE WHEN IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO I'M GOING TO SAY APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS AGO AND THEN WHEN
YOU STARTED THIS FIVE YEARS AGO BUT I BELIEVE PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREETS HAVE SAID IT'S BEEN LONGER THAN FIVE. BUT WE'LL START WITH YOUR YOUR HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. SO FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN YOU ENTERED THIS JOURNEY FIVE YEARS
AGO, WHAT WAS THE PLAN? WAS THIS PARTICULAR RFP WAS THAT PART OF YOUR VISION? I'M GOING TO SAY THE VISION WAS TO RENOVATE THE MADISON PARK AT
WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT CAME OUT OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND IT WAS A 500 ISH MILLION DOLLAR NUMBER. AGAIN, I'D RATHER GIVE YOU THE ACCURATE NUMBER INSTEAD OF GUESSING AT IT BUT IT WAS IN
THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE WE KNEW WAS GOING TO BE THAT AND ACTUALLY IT WAS HIGHER THAN THAT. THERE WAS ONE THOUGHT WHERE IT WAS WAY HIGHER WAS LIKE $800 MILLION. BUT AGAIN IT'S WE'RE IN A FEASIBILITY STUDY PHASE.
YOU'RE KIND OF IT'S MORE THEORETICAL THAN PRACTICAL IN THAT REGARD AND IT'S NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL DESIGN WAS THERE A DESIRE TO APPLY FOR THIS RFP THIS PARTICULAR GRANT
FIVE YEARS AGO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE ATMOSPHERE YET NO . OKAY. SO THEN HOW DID THIS ENTER INTO THE PHASE OF THE EQUATION? THE COST IS JUST SO MUCH HIGHER THAN RIGHT. YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD SAY THAT
THE $800 MILLION NUMBER WAS A TARGET NOT EVEN A TARGET. IT WAS JUST A SET OUTSIDE NUMBER. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT HOW DO YOU BRING THE NUMBER DOWN, HOW DO YOU MAKE IT MORE PRACTICAL, HOW DO YOU MAKE
IT MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE CITY SO THAT THOSE STEPS WERE INTENDED I'M ALWAYS GOING TO SAY CONTEMPLATED TO TAKE PLACE AND SO WHAT IF WE DON'T GET THE
GRANTS THEN WHAT'S THE GAME PLAN? WHAT'S THE BACKUP PLAN? WELL, AS AS DALE SAID THAT THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS WOULD THEN HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT OF OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO
CONTINUE YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A IT'S AN EVALUATION THAT THEY HAVE TO MAKE RELATIVE TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GOING ON. SO I'M GOING TO SAY I'M JUST CURIOUS I'M JUST CURIOUS
BECAUSE WHAT WE KEEP HEARING IS THAT MADISON PARK SHOULD YOU KNOW BOSTON DESERVES A STATE OF THE ART. WELL, TECH SCHOOL WE'RE LOOKING AT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
THIS IS GOING TO HAVE A GENERATIONAL IMPACT. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT ARE THE TRADE OFFS BECAUSE IT ALWAYS FEELS LIKE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MADISON PARK WE'RE PITTING SCHOOLS AGAINST
EACH OTHER AND THEN WHAT'S THAT GOING TO CREATE IN TERMS OF THE DYNAMIC? YEAH, I THINK WHEN LOOKING AT THE TRADE OFFS IT'S NOT JUST SCHOOLS, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT WITH THE MAYOR AND TEAM TO LOOK AT
THE CAPITAL BUDGET, TO LOOK AT LIKE WHAT WHAT THE TRADE OFFS ARE GOING TO BE AND ALSO DISCUSS WITH THE MADISON PARK COMMUNITY AND JUST LIKE ONE
THING TO SHARE AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE MADISON PARK LIKE PROGRAMING AND FEASIBILITY STUDY THE TEAM STARTED LIKE REENGAGE THE MADISON PARK
COMMUNITY ON THE PROGRAMING AND FEASIBILITY STUDY BACK IN 2022. OKAY SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP REALLY QUICK BECAUSE FOR THOSE
FOLKS WHO FOLLOW THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THERE, THERE'S A SOME CONFUSION AS TO THE HURRY UP AND WAIT SYNDROME THAT WE HAVE HERE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN EXPEDITE WHITE STADIUM THAT IS PART OF BHP'S FACILITY PLAN RIGHT? LIKE WE CAN MOVE THAT AT A VERY
HIGH RATE AND GET IT DONE BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE APPETITE TO DO THE SAME FOR MADISON PARK. WHY HAVE THE ANSWER WE ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE TRADE OFFS WHY WHERE'S THE COMMITMENT FOR MADISON PARK? SO I THINK THAT THE MAYOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS A COMMITMENT TO MADISON PARK. THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY
IT'S BEING SUBMITTED TO THE MSP. WE'VE SUBMITTED LIKE THE SHAW TAYLOR SCHOOL THAT'S BEEN MOVED FORWARD IN THE PROCESS TO ROOT BATSON THAT'S MOVING FORWARD
AND THE PROCESS AS MY COLLEAGUE CARLTON SHARED EARLIER AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT MADISON PARK THE THE COST PER SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS COMING IN
ABOUT $600 PER SQUARE FEET AND THE RIGHT NOW LIKE THEY'RE SEEING UPWARDS OF 1300 DOLLARS PER SQUARE FEE FOR LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR PROJECTS.
SO GETTING THERE SO MUST BE TO REIMBURSE THE CITY ABOUT A THIRD OF THE COST FOR BUILDING PROJECTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SO I THINK THAT ALL RIGHT JUST
BECAUSE I MY TIME IS GOING TO GO OUT REALLY QUICK, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD JUST FOR THE RECORD I NEED TO HEAR IT JUST WHAT IS THE COMMITMENT FOR MADISON PARK AND WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE
ASKING FOR FOR THE RFP? WHAT'S THE WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT? SO IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE REQUEST. WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS THAT THE REIMBURSE THE MSP REIMBURSE US
ABOUT A THIRD OF THE COST FOR PROJECTS. OKAY. AND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T RECEIVE THAT? SO IF WE DON'T RECEIVE THE MSP EIGHT THE MAYOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT HAVE SHARED A
COMMITMENT TO LOOK UP AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISCUSS TRADE OFFS TO MOVE THE MADISON PARK PROJECT FORWARD. OKAY.
SO I THINK WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME LIKE AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK IT GOES TO OFFER WHAT COUNCILOR BREEDEN HAD ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE TIMELINE I
THINK PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR MADISON PARK TO GET IT REBUILT AND IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS ANOTHER DELAY SITUATION.
AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHO YOU WERE LOOKING AT NOW MAYBE WINTER OF 2027 THAT'S TWO MORE YEARS BEFORE WE CAN REALLY BE SHOVEL READY WHEN ALLEGEDLY WE
WERE SUPPOSED TO BE READY IN 2025 JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR WE'RE DELAYING IT TWO MORE YEARS. SO I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY CONFUSION ABOUT THE TIMELINE 20
WINTER 2027 WILL LIKELY START THE DESIGN PROCESS. OH SO THEN THAT'S EVEN WORSE. THAT'S EVEN THE WORST ASKING ACTUALLY. OH MY GOD, YOU REALLY SMELL THAT'S EVEN WORSE.
SO I WISH I WOULD HAVE STAYED AT THE 2727 THAT YOU'D BE READY TO DO SO. SO THEN WHEN ARE WE GOING TO START BUILDING IN 2020 WHAT 50 WHEN WHEN IS THE WHEN ARE WE
GOING TO BUILD IT COULD BE IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF A TWO YEAR DESIGN PHASE WHICH WE ALREADY GONE THROUGH A WHOLE REDESIGN IN THE FEASIBILITY LIKE WE CAN'T WE JUST START FROM WHERE
. NO WE CAN'T. WE'VE GOT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. WELL HOPEFULLY WE CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST BUT WITH THE MSB WE NEED TO BRING ON A NEW OWNER'S PROJECT.
SO WHAT'S THE THING OF COURSE THAT THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTION BUT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND. I JUST THINK SOMEONE COULD JUST TELL ME WHEN THE TIME LIKE LAST QUESTION. YEAH, I NEED A DATE. I NEED A A BOTTOM LINE WHAT
WHEN CAN WE POTENTIALLY SEE THIS BUILDING UNDER CONSTRUCTION? I THINK BASED UPON MSP PROCESS 2029 WOULD LIKELY BE A TIME
FRAME TO START CONSTRUCTION. WOW. LATE 2028 MAYBE EARLY PACKAGES IN 2029 TO START CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU CASIMIR. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SECOND
ROUND OF QUESTIONS. I'LL PUT MYSELF ON A TIMER AS WELL. I'VE HEARD TRADE OFFS A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I'M JUST KIND OF FOR MY FLAHERTY ARE WE
TALKING ABOUT TRADE OFFS WITHIN THE PROGRAM IN WITHIN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING OR TRADE OFFS IN TERMS OF OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS? YEAH. SO THERE'S TO NEED TO BE TRADE
OFFS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF LIKE THE CAPITAL BUDGET LIKE WHAT THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT LIKE MOVES FORWARD. WHAT'S NOT GOING FORWARD AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE
THE CONVERSATIONS THE CONVERSATION ABOUT PROGRAMING. I'D JUST LIKE TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WITH THE CURRENT DESIGN WORK THAT WE WERE DOING
TO GET TO THAT 700 MILLION NUMBER WE HAD OUR TEAMS COLLECTIVE TEAMS ACROSS THE CITY AND BFD DID A LOT OF WORK
WITH THE SCHOOL TEAM AS WELL IN THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE PROGRAMS, WHAT PROGRAMS WOULD SUNSET, WHAT PROGRAMS, WHAT NEW PROGRAMS WOULD INTRODUCE AND WE CUT DOWN THE
PROGRAMING TO 19 PROGRAMS, 19 PROGRAMS AND 21 COHORTS WHICH MEAN THAT LIKE IF WE WANT MADISON PARK WHICH WE NEED MADISON PARK TO BE LIKE THE STATE OF THE ART FULL TECH
SCHOOL WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CUT THAT PROGRAMING ANYMORE THEN SORT OF LIKE THE BASELINE THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH GOT IT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT I'M
HEARING IS MAJORITY OF THE I GUESS THE BALLOONING OF THE THE BUDGET CAME FROM JUST LABOR COSTS OR IS IT MORE WITH THE PROGRAM AND WHAT WAS LIKE THAT
MOST OF THAT BALLOONING FROM 500 MILLION TO LIKE $700 MILLION I'M GOING TO IF YOU IF I MAY I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S LARGELY CONSTRUCTION COST BECAUSE THE PROGRAM SIDE THE
GOAL WAS TO KEEP THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD REQUIRE ROUGHLY THE SAME. AND SO TO DO THAT IT WAS JUST IT WAS A MATTER OF WHAT WAS THE
PROPER MIX OF PROGRAMING. BUT IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ROUGHLY STAYED THE SAME. IT'S. OKAY SO SAY IF WE DON'T GET
APPROVED FOR THE MBA WE HAVE A $500 MILLION COMMITMENT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE MAYOR AND THE THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR A CAPITAL INVESTMENT OUTSIDE OF MADISON.
WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK? WHAT WOULD A 500,000,000 MILLION BUILDING LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO A $700 $700 MILLION BUILDING? I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT IT'S ALMOST I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S
THE SAME BECAUSE WHEN THE COSTS GO UP YOU GET THE SAME YOU GET THE SAME BUILDING. IT'S JUST THE COST IS MORE EXPENSIVE BUILDING. I MEAN LIKE THE PROGRAMS LIKE WHAT TRADE OFFS WHERE THEY WOULD BE WITHIN THAT?
WELL I THINK SCHOOL BUT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT WE WERE NOT LOOKING TO TRADE OFF THE PROGRAMS THAT THE PROGRAMS THE PROGRAM MIXES, THE MIX THAT THE SCHOOL FEELS WOULD BE THE RIGHT MIX FOR 21ST CENTURY 21ST
CENTURY ORDER OF VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL EDUCATION. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROGRAM WELL IN FACT WE COST CUT. THE LAST THING WE LOOK AT OR THE LAST THING WE LOOK AT IS
THE PROGRAM OKAY LOOK TO CUT MATERIALS. WE LOOK TO CUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING STYLES BUILDING AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER MEASURES. WE USE A PROCESS CALLED VALUE ENGINEERING OR V AND IT'S BEEN
OUR LONGSTANDING PROCESS THROUGH MANY, MANY PROGRAMS AND MANY, MANY SCHOOLS TO NOT TOUCH THE PROGRAM OF THE SCHOOL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND WE HAVEN'T
WE SUCCESSFULLY HAVE NOT DONE THAT SO THAT IF WE WERE TO NOT GET THE $700 MILLION FROM SBA, THE 500 OR THE 200 MILLION FROM THEM SBA, THE COST SAVINGS WILL
COME FROM MAYBE THE DESIGN, THE MATERIAL OR ABSOLUTELY TO WE WOULD TURN OVER EVERY ROCK TO DO THAT BEFORE WE WOULD CUT THE PROGRAM. ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, COUNSELORS, WE WANT SPEED. I DO THINK IT'S WISE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO SEEK
ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FROM THEM. SBA IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE MBA TO JUST FUND A PORTION OR DO THEY NEED TO FUND THE ENTIRETY
OF THE PROJECT LIKE CAN WE JUST GO TO THE MBA, SAY GIVE US YOU KNOW, 100 TO 200 MILLION WITHOUT PUTTING EVERYTHING ELSE
ON HOLD IN ORDER TO GET YOU KNOW, MADISON STARTED A LITTLE SOONER. IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WORKED WITH THE SBA SUCCESSFULLY OVER MANY PROJECTS BOTH AT PUBLIC FACILITIES DEPARTMENT AND IN THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT.
I WOULD SAY THAT'S A HARD KNOW THAT THEY'RE VERY THE ONE THING THE SBA IS STEADFAST ON IS THEIR PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IT'S EQUITABLE ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH AND SO THEY WOULD
NOT ENTERTAIN AND WE'VE ASKED THE QUESTION QUITE FRANKLY THIS FALL WE'VE WE TALK WITH THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES. THE SUPERINTENDENT SKIPPER WAS ON THE CALL AND AS WELL AS
OTHERS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND EACH TIME THE ANSWER LETTER WHICH WE WE ASKED THE QUESTION THEY CAME BACK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL PROCESS. GOT IT. AND THEN OUR ON OUR BUDGET AND
OUR VISION FOR THE $700 MILLION IS THAT FOR A NEW BUILD IS THAT FOR A RENOVATION LIKE WHAT IS WHAT ARE WE INTENDING TO ACHIEVE WITH THE 700 MILLION SO
680 TO $700 MILLION WAS FOR THE NEW BUILD AND I THINK 700 TO $720 MILLION WAS FOR THE RENOVATION LIKE THE RENOVATION OF THE CURRENT MADISON PARK SPACES.
SO THE GOT RENOVATION COST A LITTLE BIT MORE GOT IT. SO WE WERE SETTING UP THE STATEMENT OF INTEREST WE'RE SENDING IT UP SAYING WE'RE KIND OF GIVING UP A LITTLE BIT
OF CONTROL ON, YOU KNOW, OUR VISION RIGHT FOR THE MADISON BECAUSE IF WE WANTED A NEW BUILD AND THEN MBA SAID WE'RE ONLY GOING TO FUND A RENOVATION
I THINK RIGHT NOW I THINK WE WENT THROUGH WE KIND OF DID LIKE THE SAME PROCESS SIMILAR TO THE MBA. SO WE LOOKED AT LIKE WHICH OPTION WAS MORE LIKE COST EFFICIENT DELIVERS THE PROGRAMS
IN THE WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE SCHOOL NEEDS THE PROGRAMS TO BE DELIVERED. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NOW GO BACK TO CASA COLLEAGUES FOR SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS
STARTING WITH COUNCILOR FLYNN. THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION TEAM PEEPS. TEAM THAT'S HERE AND I KNOW MANY OF THESE QUESTIONS HAVE
ALREADY BEEN ASKED AND ANSWERED BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF REPHRASE AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I'M AS CLEAR AS I CAN BE.
BUT THE THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ALREADY FOR ARCHITECTS OR CONSULTANTS IN IF WE DON'T GET
THE MSP MSP A FUNDING THAT IF WE DO GET THE MSP THAT THAT WORK COULD NOT BE USED NOT IT IT'S IN ITS CURRENT FORM WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REFER BACK I'M SURE A LOT OF THE WORK THAT
WE'VE DONE WITH WOULD BE USEFUL IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WOULD GO FORWARD AND IN DESIGN YOU KNOW WE WOULDN'T BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH IN OUR THINKING ON THE CITY SIDE.
BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IT WOULD BASICALLY BE A NEW PROCESS THAT'D BE INFORMED FROM THE OLD PROCESS AND I DID FIND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR EARLIER. COUNCILOR FLYNN YEAH.
SO THE PERKINSON WILL CONTRACT WITH $7.4 MILLION AND OF THAT 2.8 ROUGHLY 2.9 WAS EXPENDED. OKAY THAT OKAY SO CAN YOU TELL
US AGAIN WHAT THAT 7.42.9. CAN YOU JUST GIVE US AN IDEA AGAIN WHAT WAS THAT USEFUL IT WAS FOR A FULL BLOWN DESIGN. SO WE WERE WE HAD GONE WE HAD
GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND LOOKING TO CONCLUDE THAT AFTER SCHEMATIC DESIGN WHERE YOU YOU COME UP WITH YOUR CONCEPTS AND AND WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE
AND WHERE AND THEN YOU PICK UP YOU PICK A DESIGN AND THEN GO INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT WHERE YOU GO FURTHER INTO THE NEXT PHASE WHICH ULTIMATELY WOULD END UP WITH CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
SO DOES THE DESIGN THAT INCLUDES ARCHITECTS DESIGN ENGINEERING FIRMS ABSOLUTELY CONSULTANTS ALL OF THE ABOVE. OKAY.
NOTHING NOTHING IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BUT BUT JUST MORE TOWARDS THE DRAWING AND PREPARATION TO POTENTIALLY BUILD A NEW THAT'S
CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. UM THERE'S BUT YOU SAID EVEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO START AT THE BEGINNING SOME OF THAT AND SOME OF THAT WORK COULD STILL
BE HELPFUL TO US. THAT'S OUR HOPE. YEAH, IT'S OUR HOPE AND AND EVEN MORE SO IF AND I MENTIONED BEFORE PERKINS AS WELL AS VERY KEEN TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON AND BOSTON PUBLIC
SCHOOLS NO MATTER WHICH WAY THIS GOES RIGHT SO THEY ARE OUR DESIGNER OF RECORD AT THE MOMENT BUT IF THE IT MUST BE A DOES ACCEPT US INTO THEIR PROCESS THEY WOULD THEN VERY HAPPILY APPLY AND HOPE THAT
THEY WOULD GET SELECTED OKAY AND I THINK SOMEONE MENTIONED IT AT THE BEGINNING AND MAYBE MAYBE I MISSED IT BUT BESIDES THE MADISON PARK TECHNICAL
VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL ANY PLANS FOR ANOTHER NEW SUBSTANTIALLY SCHOOL?
UM THERE ARE SO THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS THAT'S IN THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW FOR THE MSP SO OUR ROUTE BATSON ACADEMY AND THE
CHARLOTTE TAYLOR OKAY UM WHAT WOULD IMPACT AS THE LONG TERM PLANNING AT HAVE ON THE
POTENTIAL FOR BUILDING THE MADISON PARK HIGH SCHOOL WHAT SPECIFIC IMPACT DOES THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN HAS ON
MADISON PARK? I THINK THAT THE MADISON LIKE THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN JUST TAKING A STEP BACK AS I
THINK COUNCILOR MCGUIRE SAID THE MADISON PARK THE BUILDING OF THE NEW BUILDING OR RENOVATION OF MADISON PARK HAS BEEN A CONVERSATION FOR LIKE ABOUT A DECADE AND THERE HAS
BEEN SEVERAL COMMITMENT AROUND MADISON PARK. I THINK THAT THIS RENEWED COMMITMENT AROUND MADISON PARK THAT OCCURRED LIKE EVEN BEFORE THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN.
SO THIS IS I THINK MOVING AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN. I THINK THE MADISON PARK PROJECT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY
TO TO IT HOW IT FITS IN. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT LIKE HIGH QUALITY STUDENT EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF OUR STUDENTS ACROSS PEOPLES BOTH ON THE ACADEMIC PROGRAMING SIDE AND ALSO ON THE BUILDING SIDE.
SO THIS FITS RIGHT INTO THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AS A DISTRICT EVEN THOUGH THE COMMITMENT OCCURRED BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT AND EXECUTION OF THE LONG TERM
FACILITIES PLAN. THANK YOU. AND MY FINAL MY FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IMPACT WOULD THIS HAVE ON THE IF WHEN WHEN IT IS
BUILT WHAT IMPACT WOULD IT HAVE ON THESE STUDENTS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE AT MADISON PARK AND OR THE O'BRYANT AS WELL?
HOW HOW WOULD YOU PREPARE TO ENSURE THAT STUDENTS WOULD STILL GET A GOOD EDUCATION IN WHAT IMPACT WOULD IT HAVE ON THEIR ON THEIR LEARNING AS WELL?
A PART OF THE WORK IF IT MOVES FORWARD WITH THE MSP OF COURSE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS CENTERING OUR STUDENTS AS PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO A PART OF THE THE MUST BE A PROCESS WOULD BE TALK I THINK BEFORE THE MSP PROCESS OUR TEAM DISCUSSED LIKE HOW WE WOULD
PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WORK IF IT MOVES FORWARD WITHOUT THE MSP IF WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MSP PROCESS THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STAGES ETC.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT LIKE THE IMPACT OF WHAT WHAT IF ANY IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LIKE FIND NEW SPACES
LIKE USE THE MULTIUSE SWING SPACE AS IF THERE'S A NEED FOR SWING SPACE OPTIONS AND OR IF STUDENTS REMAIN IN THE BUILDING WHILE THE BUILDING IS BUILT LIKE OFF THE CURRENT SITE AS
SOME OF THE PLANS HAVE SHOWN THEN THANK YOU AND MY FINAL COMMENT IS I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WITH WITH COUNCILOR MURPHY TO TO VISIT MADISON PARK TECHNICAL
VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL TWICE ACTUALLY OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE MONTHS AND JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROFESSIONAL JOB THE STAFF IS DOING THERE. THE TEACHERS ARE DOING THERE
AND ALSO THE STUDENTS YOU KNOW, JUST SEEING HOW ENGAGED AND DETERMINED THE STUDENTS ARE TO TRY TO LEARN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN ABOUT A PARTICULAR FIELD
FOR A PARTICULAR TRADE. SO JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT'S TAKING PLACE BUT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT IS BEING DONE UNDER UNDER
DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MURPHY COUNCILOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO PUT ALL NINE ON THE RECORD AND THEN WE'LL ASK
BECAUSE WE MAY RUN OUT OF TIME AGAIN BUT I'M GOING TO UPLIFT THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE ALWAYS FOR STRONG A SUCCESSFUL VOCATIONAL EDUCATION
FOR OUR STUDENTS. MY DAD GRADUATED FROM CHARLESTOWN HIGH IN 1961 AND THAT WAS WHEN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HIGH SCHOOL HOUSED THEIR OWN VOCATIONAL TRAINING.
SO HE GOT ELECTRICAL TRAINING WHEN HE GRADUATED FROM CHARLESTOWN HIGH, YOU KNOW AND SO AND OUT OF HEARING ON MADISON PARK HIGH LAST MONTH
WITH AN IRISH COUNSELOR, FLYNN MENTIONED THAT WE BOTH WENT AND VISITED. BUT I DID ASK FOR US TO HAVE A SCHEDULED MEETING FOR THE COUNCIL TO GO BACK OUT AND SEE THE CHANGES. I KNOW THEY HAVE A NEW LEADER AND THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK
REALLY HARD AT MAKING STRONGER PARTNERSHIPS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR LABOR UNIONS WHO I WANT TO UPLIFT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB SUPPORTING OUR STUDENTS THERE
AND HELPING WITH THEIR TRAINING. SO THAT IS NEXT WEEK I HOPE ALL OUR COLLEAGUES ARE ABLE TO ATTEND. WE'RE GOING TO GO VISIT MADISON
PARK NEXT WEEK BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO BE CLEAR AND HONEST THAT IT'S NOT JUST A NEW FACILITIES THAT MADISON PARK NEEDS SUPPORTING AND THE 2024 M-CLASS
RESULTS ONLY 19% OF OUR 10TH GRADERS MET OR EXCEEDED THE CAST IN ENGLISH AND ONLY 7% IN MATH. SO ACADEMICALLY ALSO OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL SO WE CAN INVEST ALL
WE WANT IN A NEW BUILDING BUT WE HAVE TO ALSO MAKE REAL CHANGES IN THE EDUCATION RIGHT BECAUSE WE CAN HOUSE IT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
STUDENTS ARE GETTING THE EDUCATION THAT THEY DESERVE AND ON THE COSTS THE COSTS ARE RISING RIGHT BY THE MONTH OF YEAR YOU PROBABLY SEE IT IF
A FEW MONTHS GO BY YOU HAVE TO ADJUST PROJECTS ALL ACROSS THE CITY WITH ALL OF OUR CAPITAL SPENDING AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH
ENTERING INTO THE MSP IS GOING TO SLOW US DOWN AND IT COULD SLOW US DOWN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS LIKE WILL IT BE COST EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THE MAYOR HAS COMMITTED TO FUNDING IT NO
MATTER WHAT RIGHT? AND IF WE'RE ONLY GOING TO BE GETTING IF WE EVEN GET THE FUNDING A THIRD OF THE COST, WILL IT BE THAT MUCH MORE AT THAT POINT?
COULD WE HAVE STARTED EARLIER AND NOT HAVE SPENT MORE MONEY AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT? AND AT ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THE BUDGET THERE
WAS A RESIDENT WHO STOOD UP AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS COMMITTED A BLANK CHECK TO WHITE STADIUM AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT IS MAKE SURE IT'S BUILT AND READY
BY THE TIME A WOMEN'S PROFESSIONAL SOCCER TEAM HAS THEIR FIRST GAME NEXT YEAR AND I REALLY WISH THAT WE CARED THAT MUCH ABOUT OUR STUDENTS LIKE LET'S MAKE SURE THAT NO
STUDENT IS ATTENDING A SCHOOL WHERE 93% OF THEIR CLASSMATES ARE NOT PASSING MATH RIGHT AREN'T READING ON GRADE LEVEL AND THE PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS
NOW WHO ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY PLACED AT MADISON PARK AND WE WANT TO CLOSE TO DOUBLE THE ENROLLMENT IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, HARD THING TO REACH. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HAS BEEN
PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS YET EITHER AND ALSO ABOUT O'BRYANT I KNOW I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE FIRST ROUND BUT I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION GOT ANSWERED LIKE
WHAT HAPPENS TO IT WHEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION WANTED TO MOVE THE O'BRYANT AND THEIR PLAN WAS TO WEST ROXBURY AND THE HOPE THEN WAS THAT IT WOULD MOVE
THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION WITH THE SHARED FACILITY AND THEN WE COULD BUILD EITHER UP OR USE THAT SPACE FOR THE MADISON PARK HIGH REBUILDS.
BUT PART OF THAT THERE WAS A LONG LIST, RIGHT? THERE WAS A REASON AND THE REASON CAME WITH A LOT OF WORK AND STUDY AND THERE WAS A LIST
OF FACILITIES THAT WAS WORK THAT WAS NEEDED AND IT PAINTED A REALLY GRIM STORY ABOUT WHAT THE O'BRYANT BUILDING NEEDS NOW. BUT BECAUSE THAT WASN'T
APPROVED AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATION BACKED OFF ON THAT MOVEMENT, IT NOW SEEMS LIKE WE'RE SAYING WELL THEIR BUILDINGS FINE LIKE SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING FOR THE
O'BRYANT? AND I HAD ALL THOSE OTHER QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS SO IF WE COULD ADDRESS THOSE AND I'LL
START WITH THE MADISON PARK. SO TOO I THINK THAT THERE'S A TWO PRONGED APPROACH HERE. THERE'S THE WORK THAT THE TEAM IS DOING JUST LIKE
STRENGTHENING THE ACADEMIC CITY PROGRAM AT MADISON PARK OUTSIDE OF THE OUTSIDE OF ANY MSP PROCESS.
ALSO INTRODUCING NEW SOME NEW CITY PROGRAMING IN TERMS OF LIKE ROBOTICS AND ALSO AN AVIATION COLLECTIVE ONE LOOKING
AT THE ENROLLMENT FOR MADISON PARK, THE DISTRICT HAVE CHANGED THE ENROLLMENT LIKE HOW STUDENTS ARE ENROLLED AT MADISON PARK WHEN LOOKING AT
SORT OF LIKE STUDENTS BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY ASSIGNED AND HAVE HIRED AND SOMEONE THAT LIKE OVERSEES THE MADISON PARK
ASSIGNMENT PROCESS. SO THE TEAM IS ACTUALLY RECRUITING ACROSS ALL OF FLYNN AND I MET THEM WHEN WE HAD OUR VISIT LAST TIME AND THERE'S A PERSON THERE WHO'S WORKING SOLELY NOW ON THE INTERNSHIPS.
YEAH YEAH. SO THAT THAT WAS HOPEFUL. YEAH I'M HOPEFUL BUT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DATA LIKE YOU GUYS DO EVERY DAY WITH NUMBERS
AND WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY YEAH AND I THINK ON THE O'BRYANT THE CURRENT PLAN FOR O'BRYANT OUR SERIES HERE THE TEAM CONTINUE
IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO WORK AT THE O'BRYANT AND SO ALL OF THE WORK THAT FALLS UNDER OPERATION SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE JUST LIKE LEAVING THE BUILDING AS IS AS WE'VE SHARED
AS PART OF THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUILDINGS ACROSS THE DISTRICT RIGHT. THERE'S NOT MEET THE QUALITY THAT WE'VE STATED THAT WE WANT FOR HIGH QUALITY STUDENT EXPERIENCE.
SO THIS IS SORT OF LIKE A YEAR OVER YEAR PROCESS AN INVESTMENT NOT ONLY ON THE CAPITAL PLANNING SIDE BUT ALSO ON THE OPERATIONS SIDE AND CONTINUING TO DO SMALLER SCALE INVESTMENT
IN OUR BUILDING IN TERMS OF LIKE ANY MOVES FOR THE O'BRYANT THE O'BRYANT SCHOOL IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE WORTH WHERE IT'S LOCATED IN THE SHORT
TERM AND THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT O'BRYANT AS PART OF THE MADISON PARK SUBMISSION TO THE MSP WELL JUST OUR TEAM IS GOING
TO TALK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF LIKE ENSURING THAT WHEN ANY CONSTRUCTION IS LAUNCHED IF IF IT DOES TRULY MUST BE A PROCESS THAT STUDENTS ARE IN A SAFE SPACE TO CONTINUE LEARNING.
IF MADISON PARK HIGH IS BUILT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, HAS THERE BEEN A COMMITMENT TO THE O'BRYANT THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE SPACE? WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY SORT
OF LIKE LONG TERM COMMITMENT CONVERSATION ABOUT O'BRIEN TAKING OVER THE COMPLEX AT ALL. THE COMMITMENT IS FOR THE MADISON PARK.
IT WAS FOR MADISON PARK HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU COUNCILOR AND COUNCILOR YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO AND
JUST GET SOME SENSE OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE SPENT ON FEASIBILITY AND DESIGN ALREADY. I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THE NUMBER EARLIER BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT REDOING AND
RENOVATING THE MADISON PARK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AT THIS POINT I THINK. CARLTON YOU MENTIONED THE NUMBER OF WHAT WAS IT RIGHT? SO SO I MENTIONED THE NUMBER FOR THE PERKINS A WILL THE ONE
DESIGNER SOLELY IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ENTIRETY OF HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT IN THE MADISON PARK VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL PROJECT IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN IT LOOKED IT UP BECAUSE I FIGURED YOU WERE GOING TO ASK
IT WAS ACTUALLY READING CORRECTLY 5.9 CALL IT 6 MILLION IT'S 5.996242 34 HAS BEEN SPENT TO DATE THAT INCLUDES CODES THE
FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT WAS DONE WITH AND THE ASSOCIATES AND ALSO INCLUDES THE THE MONEY THAT WE SPENT ON OUR OPEN THE OWNER'S PROJECT MANAGER LEFT
FIELD TO JUST ABOUT SIX AND A QUARTER MILLION JUST ALMOST 6 MILLION ALMOST 6,000,005.99. ALL RIGHT GRANT APPROXIMATELY 6 MILLION IN TERMS OF PROGRAMS
YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO TRIM BACK PROGRAMS TO MAKE IT MORE MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AND GONE DOWN TO 19 PROGRAMS. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PROGRAMS
WERE TAKEN OFF THE LIST OR HOW HOW DRASTIC A CUT WASN'T? I CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE EXACT ANSWERS WITH YOU
SHORTLY. YEAH. AND THEN THE OTHER THING YOU KNOW COMES FROM WHERE WE MENTIONED HER FATHER THE ELECTRICAL TRAINED AS AN
ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRICAL TRAINING AT CHARLESTOWN AND THE BRIGHTON HIGH SCHOOL USED TO BE AN AUTOMOTIVE GOING BACK KNOW WAY BEFORE WORLD WAR TWO
AUTOMOTIVE PEOPLE WENT FROM THE AUTOMOTIVE PROGRAM INTO THE AIR FORCE TO WORK ON PLANES AND THINGS DURING THE WAR. SO I'M THINKING WHAT WHAT
VOCATIONAL PROGRAMS ARE WE OFFERING IN OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE LIKE IF WE PUT ARE WE PUTTING ALL OF OUR VOCATIONAL PROGRAMS INTO ONE
BASKET OR ARE WE OFFERING A RANGE OF VOCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS IN TERMS OF VOCATIONAL PROGRAMS AT OTHER
HIGH SCHOOLS THERE ARE ADDITIONAL HIGH SCHOOLS ACROSS THE DISTRICT. A NUMBER OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL DOES HAVE SOME OF THEM HAVE CTE PROGRAMS.
I CAN GET A FULL LIST THAT WHAT'S OFFERED AT DIFFERENT HIGH SCHOOLS ACROSS THE DISTRICT AND SEND IT OVER. SO I'M ALSO CURIOUS TO KNOW THE WHOLE THING ABOUT ROBOTICS MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THEY'RE
OFFERING A ROBOTICS. I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL BUT INTRODUCING ROBOTICS INTO PROGRAMING AND PROGRAMING AND WEB DESIGN WEB DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM AND LAUNCHING AN
AVIATION FLIGHT SIMULATOR ELECTIVE COURSE ALL GREAT THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW THESE THESE SOME OF THESE ESPECIALLY ROBOTICS AND PROGRAMING AND WEB DESIGN AND WEB DEVELOPMENT THOSE THOSE
THOSE SORT OF PROGRAMS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS AS WELL. SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHEN WE GET YOU GET THE LIST I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO READ WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER PLACES.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT YOU KNOW, WE MADISON PARK IS ONE OF HIS ASPIRATIONS IS TO SUPPORT YOUNG ADULTS WHO MAYBE DROPPED OUT OF OUT OF SCHOOL OR
GRADUATED TO GET THEM SOME CERTIFICATIONS TO MAKE THEM GIVE THEM SOME MORE EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT JUST
DO WE OFFER WHAT ARE WE OFFERING RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF EVENING EVENING COURSES FOR FOR THAT TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL WHO WANTS TO GET SOME
CERTIFICATIONS TO MAKE THEMSELVES EXPAND THEIR JOB OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS OF FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE IT?
SO THERE'S THE BOSTON ADULT TECH THAT'S ADJACENT TO MADISON PARK AND THEY UTILIZE THE CITY LIKE PROGRAM SPACE AT MADISON PARK AFTER HOURS. MM HMM.
YEAH. AND WHAT TIME WHAT TIME OF SCHOOL FINISH IN MADISON PARK?
IF YOU GIVE ME ONE SECOND I CAN FIND THAT ANSWER TO 30 TO 30 5
TO 35. SO WE'VE GOT WE'RE BUILDING A BUILDING THAT'S GOING TO COST ALMOST $1,000,000,000 AND SCHOOL FINISHES AT 235 SEEMS LIKE A VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL
SCHOOL SHOULD HAVE A LONGER SCHOOL DAY AND BE WHAT TIME DO THEY START TO START AT SEVEN SEVEN 3730 OKAY.
IT JUST SEEMS THAT THAT'S A HUGE WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON OUR SCHOOL BUILDING OR GOING TO PROPOSING TO SPEND THE SCHOOL. WE NEED TO HAVE A SORT OF A DIFFERENT MODEL TO TRY AND
BECAUSE SOME OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES AND WE WE NEED TO SORT OF REALLY BRUSH OFF AND HAVE A REALLY DEEP DIVE INTO HOW WHAT A SCHOOL DAY LOOKS
LIKE IN THIS TIME AND I THINK ALSO FOR THE MADISON PARK REDESIGN THERE'S TWO PROGRAMS THAT ADJACENT TO MADISON PARK SO THERE IS THE RE-ENGAGEMENT
CENTER AND ALSO THERE IS THE BOSTON ADULT TECH THAT'S THERE AS WELL THAT UTILIZES THE SPACE . I THINK PART OF THE WORK ON THE
VISION IN AND AROUND MADISON PARK IS ALSO THE COMMUNITY JUST LIKE THE COMMUNITY HUB PIECE WHERE THE COMMUNITY CAN GO INTO
MADISON PARK AND THINGS LIKE HAIRDRESSING OR DAYCARES ETC. I THINK THE COMMUNITY ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO IT SO IT'S NOT THAT MADISON PARK WOULD JUST LIKE
SHUT DOWN AT 235 BUT IT WOULD BE A SPACE WHERE THE COMMUNITY WOULD ALSO HAVE ACCESS TO AS WELL. MM HMM. YEAH. AND MY POINT IS REALLY MORE YES, ABSOLUTELY MAKE AS MUCH
USE OF THE BUILDING AS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO HAVE PROGRAMING YOU KNOW, GOOD QUALITY PROGRAMING FOR AND I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED IT LIKE THOSE THOSE RE-ENGAGEMENT CENTER BUT HAVING
HAVING THOSE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE ADJACENT HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE BUILDING SO THAT THEY CAN GET THE BENEFITS OF OF THIS HUGE INVESTMENT THAT WE'RE
MAKING UM AS A CITY AND YEAH I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION BUT OTHER OTHER VOCATIONAL PROGRAMS IN OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. YEAH I CAN SEND I CAN SEND THAT
OVER. I ALSO HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT WHAT PROGRAMS WERE WE THINKING ABOUT SUNSETTING AND WHAT WHAT NEW PROGRAMS WE WERE THINKING ABOUT
INTRODUCING FOR MADISON PARK. I CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY, VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU JUST FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, AN EXECUTIVE
JONES IS A $6 MILLION SPENT ASSUMING AT THE START OF THE PROCESS WAS IN 2022. THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE BUT I DID SEE THAT THE THE STUDY
WAS DATED JUNE 2022. I DON'T HAVE THE START DATE. I CAN GO BACK AND GET THAT FOR YOU THOUGH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ME HERE CASSIE, OTHER FLOOR. THANK YOU.
SO JUST ONE TO PAINT A PICTURE ABOUT THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN HOPING AND PRAYING FOR MADISON PARK IT HAS BEEN A DECADE A LITTLE BIT MORE
THAN THAT AND SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD I BELIEVE IT'S DONE. NOAH CHANG I WAS TRYING TO MENTAL NOTE SEE OF ALL THE
ADVOCACY AND ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO. MCDONOUGH CHANG AND LAURA BRAND
FACILITIES AND NOW SKIPPER SO IN UNDER TEN YEARS WE'VE GONE THROUGH FIVE OR SO SUPERINTENDENTS OR MAYBE MORE.
WE HAVE HAD FITS AND STARTS AS IT RELATES TO MADISON PARK LIKE WE I KNOW THAT THEN MAYOR WALSH WAS REALLY GUNG WITH ALL HIS WORK IN THE BUILDING TRADES TO
HELP SUPPORT AND MADE SOME COMMITMENTS TO MADISON PARK. THEN MOST RECENTLY OUR MAYOR MADE A AN ANNOUNCEMENT IN 2023
ABOUT SOME BIG BOLD MOVES THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE FOR MADISON PARK AND THE O'BRYANT AND HERE WE ARE RIGHT AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO JUST NAME THOSE THINGS
BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE A NEW ADMINISTRATION OR A NEW LEADERSHIP OR A NEW REDESIGN, WE HAVE TO START FROM THE WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. AND THAT'S WHERE THE FRUSTRATION COMES FOR A LOT
OF FAMILIES IN TERMS OF JUST THE HURRY UP AND WAIT SYNDROME THAT WE KEEP JUST EXPERIENCING AS IT RELATES TO MADISON PARK. SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE THE
LEVEL OF WHY THERE'S SO MUCH FRUSTRATION AROUND MADISON PARK. IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE CREATING IT AND WANT TO BE HOSTILE HERE. IS THIS BECAUSE THE REALITY IS IS THAT YOU KNOW, FAMILIES YOU
KNOW, MY DAUGHTER WAS FIVE YEARS OLD WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS AND SHE'S 15. RIGHT. SHE'S GOING TO BE GRADUATING AND ALTHOUGH SHE DOESN'T GO TO MADISON PARK, SHE'LL BE GRADUATING AND MADISON PARK HAS
YET TO EVEN START SHOVELING TO EVEN BECOME A REALITY FOR FAMILIES. SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME WE COME AND HAVE THIS CONVERSATION THERE'S A LAID TACTICS JUST CONTINUE TO
JUST GET FOLKS MORE FRUSTRATED . SO I JUST WANT TO NAME THAT AS TO WHY WE'RE HERE. BUT I'M CURIOUS CARLTON, YOU HAD MENTIONED A MEETING THAT
YOU GUYS HAVE HAD WITH THAT MUST BE A AND I'M CURIOUS HOW MANY MEETINGS HAS THE ADMINISTRATION HAD WITH GMS VA
AND WHO WAS ON THE CALL FROM THE ADMIN SIDE FOR THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE I I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH WITH THOSE MEETINGS SO I CAN TELL YOU FOR RECOLLECTION THEY'RE LIKE COULD ACTUALLY GIVE YOU THE DETAILS
IF YOU LIKE DATES AND PERSONNEL BUT I WAS I PARTICIPATED IN TWO WERE SUPERINTENDENTS ZIPPER CHIEF IRISH AND OTHERS WERE ON THE CALL AND THE PURPOSE OF THE
CALL WAS TO FIND OUT FROM THE SBA WHAT THEIR PARAMETERS WERE. WHEN YOU SAY OTHERS WERE THERE LIKE COMMUNITY MEMBERS FRIENDS OF THE MADISON PARK WHEN WE SAY OTHERS, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT OTHER STAKEHOLDERS OR JUST MORE
ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL? ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL OR FOR THE SCHOOL DEPARTMENT? SO THAT WAS ON THE CALL AS WELL . AND YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND TO BE ALARMING IS THAT WE SPENT SO
MUCH MONEY ON WE DESIGNED A 6 MILLION AND FROM A FISCAL RESPONSIBLE LENS IT REALLY HURTS TO HEAR THAT NUMBER AND THEN TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING
TO HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED OFF. WE CLEARLY DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE HERE THAT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE
STARTED IN AND YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE NOTION TO RENOVATE MADISON PARK HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES AS YOU SAID. BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT I'M
WORKING ON NOW IS THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE 2022 ISH TIMEFRAME. CERTAINLY WHEN WE STARTED THERE WAS NO THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE AT THIS POINT OR THAT THE COST WOULD BE SUCH THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR OTHER FUNDING
MECHANISMS. SO ON ONE HAND IT WAS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MONEY WELL SPENT IF WE WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE. RIGHT. BUT WASN'T IN IN IN 2024 I
BELIEVE THERE WAS VEEPS HIRED A CONSULTANT TO WRITE A LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN FOR 2024 AND WHAT WORK HAVE THEY PRODUCED SO FAR AND WHAT ROLE DID THEY PLAY IN THE DECISION TO APPLY FOR
MSP TO RENOVATE MADISON PARK RATHER THAN HAVE BOSTON PAY FOR IT? I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING YOU IN RELATION TO THE TIMELINE AND WHAT YOU'RE SHARING WE DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE HERE BUT HERE WE ARE.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT ROLE DID THE THE THE CONSULTANT PLAY IN THE DECISION TO APPLY FOR MSP AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, OKAY,
SO BP DID NOT HIRE A CONSULTANT TO WRITE A LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN THE THE WE THE BP'S TEAM
WORKED IN COLLABORATION WITH PFG WITH A CONSULTANT ON THE SCHOOL DESIGN STUDY WAS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN IN JULY 16, 2024 THAT STATES BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL PLANS TO HIRE ANOTHER
CONSULTANT TO HELP CRAFT A SCHOOL CLOSURE PLAN. THAT WAS INCORRECT. OH, SO THAT WAS INCORRECT. YES. SO THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN SUBMITTED THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN BEFORE THAT
DATE TO D.C.. OH, OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH CLOSING YOU WANT TO
FINISH YOU WANT TO DO WHAT WE WANT. OKAY. AND BESIDES MADISON, WHAT IS B BP'S PLAN TO BE TO BUILD NEW SCHOOLS? DOES IT DOES THE DISTRICT BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABLE TO
CONTINUE TO SUBMIT PROJECTS TO THE MSC BAY'S CORE PROGRAM WHILE MADISON PARK IS ONGOING? WILL THE DISTRICT PAY FOR THE PROJECT ITSELF OR IS IT JUST DISTRICT PLANNING TO DO ANY
OTHER NEW SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE DURATION OF MADISON PARK? SO THE DISTRICT PLAN IS TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH THE MSP AND SUBMIT PROJECTS AS I ONE OF THE
SLIDES EARLIER. SO THE CARTERS THE CARTER IS ON SCHEDULE TO COME OUT OF THE MSP THIS YEAR. HOWEVER WE HAVE THE ROUTE BASIN AND SEAN TAYLOR DOTSON AND
WE'RE SUBMITTING MADISON PARK AND WE PLAN TO SUBMIT MORE PROJECTS YEAR OVER YEAR TO CONTINUE OUR WORK OF DELIVERING NEW BUILDINGS. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD IT IS
FAIR IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT IF IF THE PROJECT IS NOT APPROVED RIGHT IN THIS GO ROUND BECAUSE THEY USUALLY I GUESS WHAT I'M
TRYING TO GET AT IS IF MADISON PARK DOESN'T GO INTO THIS PROGRAM YEAR WE'RE AND IF IT'S REJECTED IN 2025 THEN IT MOVES TO ANOTHER YEAR. RIGHT?
SO THERE IS A SLIGHT POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE GET REJECTED WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REAPPLY THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THAT'S GOING TO EXTEND THE TIMELINE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE
A DECISION THAT'S MADE COLLECTIVELY WITH LIKE THE MAYOR AND THE SUPERINTENDENT AS THEY HAVE BOTH COMMITTED TO MADISON PARK OF MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD AND HAVING AND
HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE INTERNAL LIKE CAPITAL BUDGET AND WHAT WHAT WE'RE MIGHT HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGE IN LIKE WHAT'S PRIORITIZED IN THE
CAPITAL BUDGET CURRENTLY ETC.. YEAH I THINK WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IS BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD
MADISON PARK REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE GET THIS AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND THOSE TRADE OFFS. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE SAME COMMITMENT THAT WE HAVE AND THE
SAME ENERGY THAT WE'RE UTILIZING FOR WHITE STADIUM SHOULD BE THE SAME ENERGY THAT WE SHOULD BE UTILIZING FOR MADISON PARK. I THINK WHAT YOU JUST SHARED IS THE COMMITMENT OF DEMAND
OF SUPERINTENDENT IS IF IT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT THE MSP IS TO LOOK AT THE TRADE OFFS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE THE
MADISON PARK PROJECT FORWARD AND NOT WAIT ANOTHER TEN YEARS IF IT DOES NOT MOVE FOR US. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
UM, HOW MANY PROGRAMS AND COHORTS DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE AT MADISON PARK?
UH UH, MADISON PARK. WE CAN'T HAVE UH SORRY. AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK IN THAT UP I KNOW IT'S WE'VE BEEN
TALKING A LOT ABOUT MADISON PARK BUT FOR ACCELERATED REPAIRS WHAT DO WE SPEND FOR ONE ROOF OR SCHOOLS WINDOWS AND DOORS.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON EXACTLY WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. IT'LL VARY BASED UPON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND NUMBER OF WINDOWS AND DOORS PER SE, RIGHT? YEAH. I JUST TO GET IT LET THE PUBLIC
KNOW COLLEAGUES KNOW LIKE HOW MUCH YOU KNOW WE ARE GETTING REIMBURSED AND THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PULLING OFF OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECT OR CAPITAL BUDGET WHAT THAT MUST
BE THROUGH THOSE INVESTMENTS. ABSOLUTELY YEAH. UPGRADE IF I MAY JUST ON THE ACCELERATOR PROGRAM PROJECTS WE WE REALIZE OF A REIMBURSEMENT
RATE CLOSE TO 60% OF OVERALL COSTS SO WE SEE A LARGER REIMBURSEMENT ON THOSE PROJECTS. BUT TO BRIAN'S POINT IT WILL VARY BASED UPON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THAT MAKES SENSE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 20 PROGRAMS
AT MADISON PARK. OKAY. AND THEN HOW MANY COHORT UM IT LOOKS LIKE THAT ALL OF THEIR
CURRENT PROGRAMS ARE SINGLE COHORTS. OKAY, GOT IT. SO WITHIN THE NEW THE NEW
MADISON PARK WILL HAVE ONE LAST PROGRAM THAT WAS WHAT WAS IN THE INITIAL SO SOME PROGRAM IS WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED THINGS
LIKE PROGRAMING AND WEB DEVELOPMENT THAT'S LIKE SEPARATE LIKE SEPARATE IT WOULD BE TOGETHER NOW TOGETHER SO YEAH AND THEN THE PROPOSAL
WOULD BE TO SOME SUNSET SOME OF THE PROGRAMS SO SUNSET FOR PROGRAMS AND INTRODUCE NEW PROGRAMS LIKE BIOTECHNOLOGY
CONSTRUCTION CRAFT AND LABOR EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION AND INTRODUCE A SECOND COHORT OF ELECTRICAL CURRENT THAT'S JUST TO NAME A FEW.
ALL RIGHT. AND THEN GOING BACK TO THE $6 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT WE MADE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS, SHOULD WE BE JUST THINKING A
JUMP IN RIGHT INTO THE MBA WITHOUT PRIOR INVESTING MEANT KNOWING THAT TO THE MBA WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REENGAGE OR YOU KNOW, CONTINUED
TO COMMIT RESOURCES TO YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE TRIED RECENTLY HAVE DONE RIGHT. SO WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS NOT START ON OUR OWN IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE MBA PROCESS.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. SO FOR INSTANCE WHEN I WAS AT BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS I WROTE MANY ESSAYS AND WE WOULD ENTER INTO THEIR PROGRAMING KNOWING THAT WE WOULD BE GOING THROUGH
THEIR SEQUENCE OF MODULES AS IT'S CALLED. SO WE TYPICALLY WOULD NOT START THAT IT WAS A DELIBERATE DECISION TO START THE MADISON PARK PROJECT WITHOUT THE MBA TO TRY TO GET IT DONE FASTER.
IT'S JUST THAT WE HIT A DIFFERENT POINT IN TIME. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WE WOULD NOT GENERALLY I WOULD EVEN SAY EVER START THE PROJECT
KNOWING THAT WE PLAN ON AN MBA APPLICATION LATER ON. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WHAT IS MBA RELEASES FUND? IS IT ALL AT THE END OR
ACTUALLY BRIAN CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THAT BUT IT'S NOT UNTIL THE PROJECT FUNDING AGREEMENT IS STRUCK. SORRY WAS THAT WHEN DO THEY RELEASE THE FUNDS? RIGHT. SO DURING THE LIFE OF MSB
PROJECT THERE'S TWO TIMES WHERE YOU APPROPRIATE FUNDS. THE FIRST IS FOR FEASIBILITY STUDY THROUGH SCHEMATIC DESIGN WHICH IS A SMALLER NUMBER FOR SHORT TAYLOR IN BATS AND BOTH
OF THOSE APPROPRIATIONS THROUGH THIS BODY I THINK THEY WERE BOTH AROUND $1.5 MILLION THAT ALLOWS THE DISTRICT TO BRING ON THE OPM AN ARCHITECT TO DO THE WORK THROUGH FEASIBILITY STUDY
YOU GET TO A SCHEMATIC DESIGN THAT'S WHEN THEY SET THEIR SCHEDULE AND COST. THAT'S WHEN WE COME BACK AGAIN TO THE COUNCIL FOR THE LARGER AMOUNT OF MONEY TO COMPLETE
DESIGN AND START CONSTRUCTION MEMBERS PAY AS YOU GO SO AS WE INCUR COSTS WE SUBMIT THEM FOR REVIEW TO THE MSB A AND THEY
PAY US THAT PERCENTAGE OF REIMBURSEMENT THROUGHOUT THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO VIRTUAL
TESTIMONY WHEN YOU HEAR YOUR NAME CALLED PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS ANY AFFILIATION AND YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES TO
TESTIFY AND JUDITH BAKER THE FLOOR IS YOURS. OH, HELLO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY WHICH IS MUCH LONGER. I HOPE YOU ALL GET IT BECAUSE IT HAS A LOT MORE BUT I WANT TO
SAY THAT ACTUAL THE MADISON PARK HAS BEEN NEGLECTED UNTIL 2023 PEOPLE HAD SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO SUPPORT IT BUT THEY DIDN'T NONE OF NONE OF THE
SUPERINTENDENTS SUPPORTED US. IN FACT THEY WOULD TALK ABOUT CLOSING US. ARE OUR ADMISSIONS WERE CUT DOWN AND SO ON. NOW WE'RE IN A POSITION WHERE I
GOT TO MAKE TWO POINTS. ONE IS WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MADISON PARK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF BOSTON WHO HAVE THE WILL DESPERATELY NEED HIGH SKILLED
JOBS AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT? IT'S AN ECONOMIC DECISION FOR THE CITY. IT'S A HUGE ISSUE FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND THIS IS NOT ABOUT MADISON PARK.
IT'S ABOUT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE BEING SUCCESSFUL AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON EVER SINCE I CAME TO BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT WE NEGLECT THE SKILLS EDUCATION.
WE LIFT UP THE COLLEGE PREP EDUCATION WHICH I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS BODY OF KIDS WHO NEED SKILLS AND NEED WELL TRAINED.
NOW THE THING ABOUT SKILLS IS THAT MODERN DAY SKILLS ARE COMPLICATED. YOU NEED GOOD MATH AND SCIENCE NEED GOOD ENGLISH LANGUAGE SKILLS AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU
DO ABOUT BUILDING MSP AND SO ON, YOU CAN START RIGHT NOW BY GIVING US GRADES SEVEN AND EIGHT AT THE COMMUNITY WITH MODERATE RENOVATIONS SO THAT WE
COULD ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT THE KIDS WHO ARE COMING INTO THE TRADES HAVE THE ACADEMIC SKILLS TO PURSUE THE TRADES. IF WE HAVE THOSE KIDS THERE NOW
AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ALL OF THIS OTHER DISCUSSION IS TERRIBLY IMPORTANT BUT THEY ARE ACADEMICS IS HUGE AND IF WE CAN GET THEM FOR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, MAKE SURE
THEY UNDERSTAND EDUCATION, THEN WHEN THEY GET INTO THEIR TRADE PROGRAM IN THE NINTH GRADE THEY'LL BE MUCH MORE READY TO GO OUT WORK IN CO TO GO INTO
INTERNSHIPS AND TO BE I USED TO PROPERLY AND PROGRAMS THAT THEY CAN AND WANT TO DO. I WANT TO REMIND YOU 75% OF OUR STUDENTS NON EXAM SCHOOL
STUDENTS ARE EITHER THE LANGUAGE HELP THEY NEED DISABILITY HELP THEY NEED LEARNING HELP. THOSE STUDENTS ARE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF HOLDING DOWN AND
SURVIVING SUCCEED BEING IN A SKILLED JOB YOU DON'T GET IT IN FOUR YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET IT IN A SEVEN THROUGH 12 PROGRAM. SO I WANT THE CITY COUNCILORS
TO BE REMINDED THAT THIS IS NOT ABOUT A SCHOOL. THIS IS ABOUT AN ENTIRE CITY CULTURE. THIS IS ABOUT STUDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY DENIED SYSTEMATICALLY LEFT OUT
OF UNIONS, LEFT OUT OF ALL KINDS OF TRADES FOR FOUR GENERATIONS KIDS WHO ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY GOING TO WORK, WANTING TO WORK AND SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES AND NEEDING THE
OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO GET WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THAT SO THAT THEY CAN STAY IN THE CITY SO THAT THEY CAN PROSPER AND ADD TO OUR LIVELIHOOD AND BUSINESS
COMMUNITY KIDS WHO COME OUT WITH GOOD STRONG SKILLS HIRE OTHER PEOPLE EVENTUALLY THEY GO TO COLLEGE EVENTUALLY IF THEY DON'T GO RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW WHAT?
I'VE GOT TO MAKE ONE MORE POINT. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE 74. YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND CHAPTER 74, CHAPTER 74 PROGRAMS WHICH SHOULD BE LOCATED AT
MADISON PARK AND ONLY AT MADISON PARK REQUIRE VARIOUS SKILLED INSTRUCTORS STATE REQUIRED EQUIPMENT OPPORTUNITY DEALS FOR CO-OPS PROGRAM
ADVISORY BOARDS FOR INDUSTRY. THIS IS WHERE YOU BUILD YOUR HUB AND IF YOU WANT TO BRING IN PARTNERSHIP FROM OTHER SCHOOLS YOU WANT TO BRING IN NIGHT AND WEEKEND IN SUMMER PROGRAMS. IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THIS
SOMETHING THAT WILL PARTNER WITH WITH BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, CUMMINGS AND WENTWORTH AND SO ON, CHAPTER 74 IS SOMETHING THAT EVERY COUNSELOR NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND VERY CLEARLY IT'S
EXPENSIVE BUT NOT DOING IT IS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE TO THE CITY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE COUNCIL OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS
AND I'M JUST HOPING THAT AT SOME POINT YOU ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY SEE IT. I ALSO HOPE YOU READ MY WRITTEN TESTIMONY. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER BACK
TO COUNCIL COLLEAGUES TO SEE IF THEY HAVE AROUND TO QUESTIONS. YES, COUNCILOR MURPHY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS SO WHO IS THE POINT PERSON FOR THE MAYOR AND
HOW MANY MEETINGS HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION HAD WITH MSP AND WHO WAS AT THESE MEETINGS SO FAR ARE YOU SPEAKING SPECIFIC
TO MADISON PARK SPECIFIC? TO MADISON PARK THE SORT OF DISTRICT AND MEMBERS OF THE MAYOR'S TEAM SO CHIEF IRISH IS
THE POINT PERSON FOR THE MAYOR . WE HAVE HELD AS CARLTON SAID, TWO MEETINGS WITH THE MSP, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS AND WAS IT
JUST ON IRISH ON THAT CALL WITH THE MSP? AS FAR AS I COULD REMEMBER I WAS CHIEF IRISH ON THE CALL WITH THE MSP SO HE WAS ALONG WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT.
I CAN LOOK I, I WOULD HAVE TO JUST LIKE YEAH SO IT'S CHIEF IRISH CARLETON JONES MYSELF THE SUPERINTENDENT I WOULD HAVE TO
LOOK AT SO YOU WERE ON YEAH YES I WOULD. OH YEAH. SO YEAH IF YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE GOOD AND SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
PROGRAMING AND CHAPTER 74 WHICH I JUST HAD MENTIONED I'M STILL WAITING ON THE ANSWER BUT I DID ASK FOR AN RFI TO BE ON AT OUR MEETING OVER A MONTH AGO ABOUT HOW MUCH THE DISTRICT HAS SPENT
ON OUT OF DISTRICT PLACEMENT BECAUSE WE DO FAMILIES OFTEN WHEN WHEN THEY ADVOCATE FOR THEIR CHILD TO BE ASSIGNED TO AN OUT OF DISTRICT VOCATIONAL HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY CAN
EASILY PROVE THAT BOSTON IS NOT GOING TO PROVIDE THEM WITH THE PROPER EDUCATION. SO IF WE COULD GET THAT ANSWER I'M GOING TO ASK IT AGAIN ON THE RECORD AT THIS HEARING ON THAT I GET THE NUMBERS AND THE
TOTAL COST BECAUSE ON TOP OF THE EDUCATION AT THE SCHOOL THERE'S ALSO THE TRANSPORTATION WE PAY FOR FOR OUT OF DISTRICT PLACEMENT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL
. AND WHAT ARE THE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON CLOSING TO HELP FILL THE THOUSAND SEATS THAT WE HOPE TO EXPAND AT
MADISON PARK ON JANUARY 22ND WE SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THE MARY LINE AND EXCEL HIGH SCHOOL. THOSE ARE THE TWO HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO
SCHOOL COMMITTEE AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LONG TERM FACILITIES PLAN. THAT'S A YEAR OVER A YEAR EUROPE A YEAR OF WORK THAT OUR TEAM WILL BE DOING. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT BETTER
YEAR OVER YEAR AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO SCHOOL COMMITTEE. SO DO WE KNOW WHICH OTHER SCHOOLS WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE? BUT IS IT TRUE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SHARE THAT BECAUSE THEN
STAFF FAMILIES WILL GET AHEAD OF IT? BECAUSE IF WE SAY LIKE HEY IN 2027 YOU KNOW THE HENDERSON IS GOING TO CLOSE, FAMILIES WILL START MOVING SOONER THAN TO
PREPARE FOR THAT CHANGE. THAT IS NOT A FACT AND ADDITIONALLY THAT THOUSAND NUMBER THAT INCLUDED ADDING A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE
COHORT TO MADISON PARK HIGH AS WE ARE SHIFTING THE GRADE RECONFIGURATIONS AT OUR K THROUGH EIGHT AND AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY LOOKING AT WHICH
SCHOOLS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH YEAR OVER YEAR TO MERGE AND CLOSE, WE ARE LOOKING REALLY CLOSELY AT DATA AS WE'VE SEEN THAT THE DATA FOR OUR OUR
ENROLLMENT DATA HAVE SHIFTED. SO WITH THE 22% DECLINE WE'VE SEEN IN ENROLLMENT WE'VE ALSO SEEN AN INCREASE IN MULTILINGUAL LEARNERS AND STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES ALSO THE CURRENT GEOPOLITICAL SPACE
THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE DIFFERENT SHIFTS SO THAT'S DATA THAT WE WANT TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT LOOKING AT YEAR OVER YEAR. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT THIS
APPLICATION UNVEILS. ONE IS THIS BODY DOESN'T PASS IT RIGHT AND THE OTHER IS WE DO AND THE APPLICATION GOES IN BUT IT DOESN'T GET ACCEPTED.
BUT YOU'VE SAID SEVERAL TIMES SO 100% BELIEVE IS TRUE THAT THE MAYOR IS COMMITTED TO PAYING FOR THIS NO MATTER WHAT. RIGHT. AND I'VE ASKED THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS BUT IF YOU COULD TALK ME THROUGH THE COSTS THEN IF
YOU KNOW THE THE MATH BEHIND HOW IS IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO GET A THIRD BACK BUT WE WON'T START CONSTRUCTION TILL
THE EARLIEST UNTIL 2029 SO THOSE COSTS COULD BE 1.5 BILLION BY THE TIME WE START DIGGING. SO HOW IS IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO NOT JUST GO AHEAD
WITH WHAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED THAT WE WOULDN'T GO THIS ROUTE SO AS I SAID EARLIER, THE THE ADMINISTRATION
WAS HOLDING $500 MILLION IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET. THE COST THAT WE SEE CAME IN IS
BETWEEN 680 MILLION TO $700 MILLION WHEN LOOKING AT THAT COST RIGHT, OUR TEAM COLLECTIVELY MADE THE DECISION TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION TO
THE MSP ARE WE GOING TO SEE COST CONTINUE RISING? I THINK AGAIN THE CURRENT GEOPOLITICAL SPACE THAT WE'RE IN AND THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND TARIFFS AND ETC. WE MAY SEE
COST INCREASE. ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO WANT TO SHARE THOUGH IS WITH THE MSP AND BRIAN YOU CAN JUMP IN AS WELL IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN
WITH THE MSP WITH OTHER SCHOOLS WITHIN BPC? IT'S A THIRD REIMBURSEMENT. I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN TALK TO SPEAK TO IF THAT REIMBURSEMENT
WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL IF WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE MSP A PROCESS SO WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS THROUGH
THE MSP A PROCESS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE SPECIFIC TO YES BUT SO YOUR MSP IF APPROVED PAYS A THIRD SO A
THIRD THIRD NO MATTER WHAT BUT ON OUR END SO BUT I ASKED IS IT COST EFFECTIVE? WHAT IS THE MATH BECAUSE WE KNOW THE COSTS WILL GO UP. IT MIGHT NOT MAYBE IT'S NOT GOING TO MAYBE GO UP.
SO CAN YOU TALK ME THROUGH THE JUSTIFICATION FOR WAITING AT LEAST FOUR YEARS TO PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND KNOWING THAT THE BUILDING COST WILL BE THAT MUCH MORE IF WE KNOW WE
HAVE 500 MILLION NOW AND WE COULD FIND MORE MONEY IF WE'RE COMMITTED AND WE COULD HALT SOME PROJECTS THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY IS NOT REALLY
SUPPORTIVE OF TO BEGIN WITH THE IN TERMS OF THE THE ARE WE GOING TO SEE COST INCREASE? YES, WE'RE GOING TO SEE I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE GOING TO SEE
COSTS INCREASE IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT LIKE WHY THE MSP I CAN'T SPEAK TO NO I'M NOT ASKING THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHY AND WE'VE HAD SOME AMAZING WONDERFUL
PROJECTS FUNDED AND I KNOW THAT IT'S IT'S A GREAT TOOL BUT THIS COMMITMENT FROM DECADES HAS BEEN THAT WE WILL COMMIT TO
BUILDING, REBUILDING, REFURBISH ,DOING WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO GET MADISON PARK IN THE POSITION IT NEEDS TO BE TO BE SUCCESSFUL. JUST RECENTLY DID WE CHOOSE TO SLOW DOWN THAT PATH AND GO THIS
ROAD AND I'M ASKING CAN YOU TALK ME THROUGH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU CRUNCH THAT PROVE THAT IT WILL BE WORTH WAITING AND IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE TO JUST
GO AHEAD WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS COMMITTED TO. CARLETON O'BRIEN IF YOU GUYS JUST WANT TO TALK THROUGH THE CRUNCHING OF NUMBERS, HOWEVER JUST LIKE JUMPING BACK IN IN
ORDER TO GET TO THE 700 MILLION NUMBER THE A SIGNIFICANT CUTS THAT WE HAD TO DO FOR THE PROGRAM FOR MADISON PARK, FOR EXAMPLE, CUTTING OUT THE IDEA OF A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE
ALSO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LABOR MARKET ANALYSIS AND WHAT WE WANT STUDENTS TO HAVE ACCESS TO SIGNIFICANTLY LIKE CUTTING PROGRAMS. SO WHAT WE SAW THIS AS AS AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR STUDENTS TO GET ACCESS TO MORE THROUGH THE MSP PROCESS. CAN YOU MORE HAVE YOU SHARED THAT WITH US ABOUT WHAT THAT
MEETING AND WHAT WAS CUT? WE CAN ADVOCATE FOR A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE NOT TO BE INCLUDED IF IT MEANS THAT WE CAN BUILD IT ON OUR OWN, WE CAN SHARE WE CAN SHARE THE PROGRAMS
THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AND WHAT PROGRAMS TO SUGGEST THAT TO BE SUNSETTED AND WHAT NEW PROGRAMS LET'S ADJUST THE SOME OF THE SUNSETS THOUGH AREN'T BECAUSE
OF COST IS BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTDATED AND CORRECT. YES BUT SO RIGHT AND THE NEW ONES ARE JUST NEW. I MEAN IT'S 2025 SO WE HAVE DEFINITELY DIFFERENT SKILLS.
WE NEED TO TEACH OUR STUDENTS. YEAH, BUT ALSO WANTING TO SHARE THAT IF WE WANT A STATE OF THE ART VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL RIGHT LIKE WE ALSO DON'T WANT A HIGH SCHOOL WITH JUST ABOUT 15 PROGRAMS WHEN LOOKING
AT OTHER VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL HIGH SCHOOL. SO THE SUNSETTING OF PROGRAMS GIVES US SPACE THAT ARE HAVE GIVEN US SPACE TO ADD ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS AS WELL. OKAY. THANK YOU.
CASSIE MURPHY SO I GUESS I'LL PUT THAT QUESTION ON YOUR OWN FILING. YEAH. AND IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR ONE MORE ROUND I STILL DON'T GET COUNCIL GRADE IN THE
FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO PICK UP ON THE ISSUE ABOUT THE SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE. IT SEEMS TO ME PREMATURELY IN
TERMS OF VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL EDUCATION. WHY OF WHY HAVE WE GOT A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE IN THERE? WE NEED THOSE KIDS NEED TO BE WORKING ON GENERAL CURRICULUM AND ACADEMICS AT THAT STAGE I
JUST LOOKED IT UP ON THE OVERVIEW MASSACHUSETTS VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL TECHNICAL SCHOOLS IN MASSACHUSETTS MAY ACCEPT STUDENTS STARTING IN NINTH, 10TH OR 11TH GRADES.
SOME SCHOOLS MAY OFFER POST-SECONDARY PROGRAMS FOR GRADES 13 AND 14. THERE'S NO MENTION OF SEVENTH OR EIGHTH GRADES LIKE I THINK THE NOTION THAT YOU KNOW WHAT
YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE WHEN YOU'RE IN SIXTH AND SEVENTH EIGHTH GRADE LIKE YOU HAVE AN IDEA BUT I THINK I THINK IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY
TO IF IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE TO INCLUDE A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE THEN THAT'S SOMETHING OTHER. IT'S NOT EVEN THE NORM IN MASSACHUSETTS TO HAVE A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE IN A
VOCATIONAL TECHNICAL SCHOOL. AND WHY WHY ARE WE EVEN THINKING ABOUT THAT? WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE KIDS BE IN REGULAR PROGRAMS SO THAT
THEY CAN WORK ON THEIR ACADEMICS AND NOT I DON'T I THINK IT'S PREMATURE JUST SPEAKING TO THE SORT OF LIKE SCHOOL CONFIGURATIONS THAT WE
SEE IN SCHOOLS ACROSS THE DISTRICT GOING THROUGH. SO THE THE CURRENT GRADE CONFIGURATION WE'RE SEEING IS
GRADES K THROUGH SIX, SEVEN THROUGH 12 WHERE WHERE THE DISTRICTS HAVE LIKE VERY FEW SCHOOLS AT THE PRE-K THROUGH EIGHTH, NINTH THROUGH 12 AS
WE'RE CONTINUING OUR RECONFIGURATION EFFORTS. I THINK THE IDEA OF MADISON PARK ADDING A SEVENTH THROUGH 12TH AS WE'RE SEEING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF STUDENTS
PEELING OFF AT THE SIXTH GRADE ACROSS THE DISTRICT IS TO GIVE THEM SO THAT ONE THE STUDENTS AS YOU JUST SAID SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SORT OF LIKE THE ACADEMIC PORTIONS AT THE
TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL SPACE WOULD BE MORE EXPLORATORY FOR THOSE STUDENTS BUT ALSO HAVING A COHORT OF STUDENTS AT THE SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE THAT
WOULD MOVE UP INTO THE NINE THROUGH 12 SPACE. BUT AS I SAID THAT WAS SUNSETTED AS PART OF THE WORK THAT WE WERE DOING THAT WAS LIKE THE FIRST BUCKET OF WORK
THAT WAS SUNSETTED. SO THE 700 AND THE $700 MILLION THAT COST IS FOR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE IS NOT INCLUDED. YEAH, NO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE AND ALSO THAT KIDS CAN
HAVE EXPLORATORY YOU KNOW GO FOR A HALF A DAY A WEEK OR SOMETHING TO DO EXPLORATORY IF THEY WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT CAREERS THEY MIGHT BE LOOKING AT OR ARE A CAREER PATH THEY
MIGHT WANT TO GO INTO IT AT AND MADISON PARK AND YOU KNOW I THINK WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ENROLLMENT LEVELS IN OUR HIGH SCHOOLS ACROSS THE CITY ARE AT
THE LEVEL THAT YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO MADISON PARK FOR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER. YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE'RE
GOING OUT OF THE NORM JUST TO SQUEEZE THEM INTO A MADISON PARK BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY CALLED A HIGH SCHOOL, IT'S REALLY ESPECIALLY WE HAVE A NEED AND I THINK WE HAVE A NEED FOR PROGRAMS WITH GRADES 13 AND
14 FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATION. MAYBE I TOO HAD INTERRUPTED EDUCATION EARLIER IN THE SCHOOL CAREER. THEY CAN CONTINUE ON 13 AND 14. IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PUT OUR RESOURCES INTO THAT.
THE OLDER STUDENTS WHO CAN GO INTO CAREER PATHS AND GO INTO APPRENTICESHIPS RATHER THAN THINKING ABOUT THE SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADERS WHO YOU KNOW THEY'RE YOUNG I DON'T THINK I
DON'T THINK MADISON PARK IS IS A NECESSARY PLACEMENT AT THAT AGE IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. THANK YOU THAT'S ALL HAD THANK
YOU. COUNCILOR AT SAID THE TIME FOR ME AND I I I WOULD JUST LOVE TO
SEE MORE OF OUR SCHOOLS OPEN MORE HOURS OF THE WEEK MORE I WAS ON THE WEEKEND AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY MEANS LIKE FOR MADISON TO HAVE TO
CALIBRATE HIS POINT CALIBRATE ITS POINT MORE PROGRAMING, MORE CURRICULUM FOR OUR OLDER YOUNGER ADULTS WHO HAVE LEFT BEEPERS.
SO I DO AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT COUNCILOR BREADON HAS SAID AROUND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT FACILITIES THOSE RESOURCES ARE OPEN FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND ALSO YOUNGER
ADULTS WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DECIDED TO GO TO A TRADE SCHOOL DURING THEIR HIGH SCHOOL CAREER BUT JUST GIVING THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY NOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE REAL WORLD TO BE
ABLE TO GAIN THOSE SKILLS, GAIN THAT GAIN THAT NETWORK AND GRANT GAIN THAT CAREER PATH IN ORDER TO NOW GET A YOU KNOW, A JOB THAT CAN PRODUCE A LIVABLE
WAGE. NOW ALSO I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER SCHOOLS I THINK OTHER SCHOOLS DO PLAY A PART. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE ON A YOU KNOW, SOLE RESPONSIBILITY
OF MADISON TO TEACH OUR KIDS TRADES OR GET THEM ENGAGED IN TRADES OR EXPOSE THEM TO TO TRADE. I THINK THAT ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS SHOULD BE PLAYING SOME SOME
ROLE IN IT JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MADISON IS GOING TO HAVE A CAPACITY. RIGHT. THERE'S GOING TO COME A TIME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MAYBE A WAITING LIST FOR MADISON AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO WITH THOSE
STUDENTS? AND I THINK THE WAY WE SAW FOR THAT IS TO TRY TO STAND UP OTHER TRADE PROGRAMS, OTHER CURRICULUM IN OTHER SCHOOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO
ONE IS LEFT BEHIND TO PURSUE THE INTERESTS OF THEIR. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING THESE TRADE CURRICULUM IN PATHWAYS IN OTHER
SCHOOLS AS WELL. AND THAT WAS MORE OF A STATEMENT YOU GUYS CAN FEEL FREE TO RESPOND BUT I FEEL LIKE KELSEY MURPHY HAS A BURNING QUESTION. COUNCILOR MURPHY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
I'LL ASK IT WEIGHTED REPAIR QUESTION OR A ROOF QUESTION FIRST. IS IT TRUE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PROJECTS THAT NEEDED RUBBER ROOFS FOR SOLAR PANELS THAT HAVE BEEN STOPPED BECAUSE
OF FUNDING WASN'T THERE AND THEY MAY NOT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE ACCELERATED PROGRAM MAY HAVE BEEN PROJECTS THAT WE WERE FUNDING ON OUR OWN. SO I WOULD SAY THERE ARE NOW
PROJECTS THAT HAVE STOPPED OR STOPPED IMPROVING ON THE ROOF BECAUSE OF THE SOLAR PANEL NEEDS. WE WERE DOING ASSESSMENTS OF WHERE SOLAR PANELS COULD GO IN WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT
PROGRAM WASN'T THE MSP. THAT'S WHY I SAID I DON'T THINK IT'S MSP BUT WE HAVE YEAH AND WE DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T IN THE DISTRICT'S BEST INTEREST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AS WE WERE PRIORITIZING OTHER
PROJECTS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY SCHOOLS AND WHICH ONES THEY WERE THAT WERE WE WERE PLANNING ON PUTTING NEW ROOFS ON. IT WASN'T NEW ROOFS ALONE.
IT WAS NEW ROOFS FOR THOSE LOCATIONS TO HAVE SOLAR PANELS . YES. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SCHOOLS THAT NEED THE ROOFS THAT WE WANT TO PUT NEWS ON THAT SAID NO, IF YOU COULD GET ME IN TO THERAPY NOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE
IT NOW THE LIST OF SCHOOLS THAT WE WERE PLANNING ON PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON BUT WE PAUSED THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND ALTHOUGH I KNOW WE'RE
TALKING LIKE IT'S BUILT IN THE SCHOOL IS FULL AND WONDERFUL THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND WE WANT IT OPEN. YOU KNOW, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 24 HOURS A DAY. BUT IS THE BTU UNION AT THE
TABLE AT ALL THESE TALKS BECAUSE 65% OF OUR SCHOOL BUDGET WHICH WE KNOW IS A LARGE 1.5 BILLION AND MORE GROWING EACH YEAR, 65% OF THAT IS SALARY.
SO THERE IS A HUGE COST ASSOCIATED WITH PAYING THE CUSTODIANS WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE THAT. WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STAFFING ACTUAL YOU KNOW, CPS
TEACHERS THAT THEY'RE GETTING PAID FOR EXTRA TIME EXPECTED TO KEEP THE SCHOOLS OPEN AND SO I ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S MULTIPLE ANSWERS TO BE HAD HERE.
SO THE HOURS THAT WE SHARED FOR LET'S SAY MADISON THAT ARE 732 TO 30 5 P.M. THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE REGULAR PROGRAM DAYTIME SCHEDULE THE BUILDING THE
MADISON PARK COMPLEX ITSELF IS ACTUALLY OPEN UNTIL ABOUT 10:30 P.M. WITH OTHER VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN IT. MANY OF OUR OTHER BUILDINGS ALSO HAVE HOURS THAT ARE
SIMILAR TO THAT AND PROGRAMING AS NEEDED ON A WEEKLY, DAILY OR MONTHLY BASIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE THAT EACH SCHOOL HAS THE
ABILITY TO REQUEST BASED UPON NEED. OKAY. LIKE OUR ABC YFC. EXACTLY. YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GO
ON RECORD KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO CAREFULLY MAKE SURE THAT STAFF AT CERTAIN SCHOOLS ARE NOT EXPECTED TO DO MORE WITHOUT GETTING COMPENSATED FOR THAT IF NECESSARY.
AND JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THE YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF HOW WE HAVE LAID OUT OUR ENROLLMENT. I MEAN BACK IN 1974 WHEN I WENT TO KINDERGARTEN, MOST
ELEMENTARIES THEY WERE K TO FIVE, WE HAD SIX THROUGH EIGHT. WE HAD THEN HIGH SCHOOLS. OUR EXAM SCHOOLS WERE ALWAYS SEVEN THROUGH 12. I WAS A TEACHER AT THE MURPHY WHEN WE WERE FILING THE
PAPERWORK TO EXPAND TO SIXTH GRADE AND THAT WAS WHEN THAT ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WANT TO JUST TAKE ON A SIXTH GRADE. THEY SAID IF YOU WANT TO ADD BECAUSE MANY STUDENTS IF THEY WERE THEY'D GO THEY'D HAVE TO
GO TO ANOTHER SCHOOL FOR ONE YEAR BEFORE. SO IT'S LIKE YOU GO TO YOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, YOU GO SOMEWHERE FOR SIXTH GRADE AND THEN YOU GO TO IF IT'S AN EXAM SCHOOL. BUT YOU THEY WEREN'T ALLOWING
SCHOOLS LIKE THE MURPHY AND OTHERS TO TAKE ON YEAR SIX. THEY SAID YOU NEED TO TAKE ON ALL THE WAY TO EIGHTH OR NOTHING WHICH NOW WE'RE REFLECTING BACK AND REALIZING THAT THAT'S NOT EFFECTIVE BUT
SO WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF OUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS NOW INTO HIGH SCHOOLS BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE ENROLLMENT IS SO LOW. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I HAD ASKED FOR THE ENROLLMENT AT ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS AND IT BLEW
ME AWAY THAT THE MASSIVE BUILDING AT BRIGHTON HIGH THAT CAN FIT, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS HAD LESS ENROLLMENT THAN THE KILMER ELEMENTARY IN WEST ROXBURY LIKE THERE IS MORE
STUDENTS AT THE KILMER THAN THERE ARE AT BRIGHTON. SO THE DISTRICT WILL SAY THEY'RE AT FULL CAPACITY BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THE PROGRAMING IS JUST MUCH SMALLER THAN THE
PHYSICAL FACILITY CAN HOLD. SO IF THE EXPECTATION IS TO ADD A MIDDLE SCHOOL JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BLANKETLY SAY ALL OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO ABSORB SEVENTH AND
EIGHTH TO ADDRESS THE LOW ENROLLMENT AT MANY OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS, I JUST HOPE THAT WE RECONSIDER THAT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S COST EFFECTIVELY I'D RATHER BE SPENDING EVERY DOLLAR WE CAN MAKING SURE OUR
NINTH THROUGH 12TH AND 13TH AND 14TH GRADE IF NEEDED ARE GETTING ALL OF THAT THOSE RESOURCES AND I'LL I'LL PUT THE MONEY QUESTION IN A RFI THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO
CAME TO TESTIFY PUBLICLY AND THANK YOU TO CENTRAL STAFF AND THE HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 045890459 AS ADJOURNED