MY NAME IS HENRY SANTANA AT LARGE CITY COUNCILOR AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE. TODAY IS MAY 22ND, 2026.
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ORDER FOR A HEARING TO EXAMINE THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROTOCOLS FOR RELEASING POLICE BODY CAMERA AND DASH DASHBOARD CAMERA FOOTAGE. THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY
COUNCILOR CULPEPER AND BRIAN MORROW AND WAS REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON MARCH 25TH, 2026. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL . COUNCILOR CULPEPER AND
COUNCILOR FITZGERALD. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO GIVE UM THE OPPORTUNITY TO MY COLLEAGUES TO GIVE OPENING STATEMENTS. I'LL INTRODUCE TODAY'S PANELIST UM AND WE'LL GO INTO QUESTIONS. SO COUNCILOR CULPEPER, YOU HAVE
THE FLOOR. GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU, CHAIR SANTANA. THANK YOU TO MY CO-SPONSOR CONSTABLE REALM.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AND FOR THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UH, AND GOOD TO SEE YOU, COMMISSIONER. GLAD THAT WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. MY OPINION IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE. UM. >> SOMETIME AGO BOSTON MADE THE
INVESTMENT IN BODY WORN CAMERAS AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE SO FOR THE RIGHT REASONS TO STRENGTHEN ACCOUNTABILITY, TO BUILD TRUST AND TO CREATE A CLEAR RECORD OF INTERACTIONS
BETWEEN OFFICERS AND THE PUBLIC . WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT IS STRONG WHEN IT COMES TO RECORDING FOOTAGE, BUT FAR LESS CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO RELEASING IT. UNDER STATE LAW, DECISIONS
ABOUT WHETHER FOOTAGE IS RELEASED ARE LARGELY MADE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND THEN THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT RULE 45. THAT AUTHORITY IS WITH THE COMMISSIONER.
AT THE SAME TIME. THERE IS NO DEFINED TIME FOR RELEASING FOOTAGE AFTER CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND NO MANDATE THAT WOULD BE RELEASED TO OPEN EVEN UPON THE REQUEST.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC FACING FRAMEWORK THAT EXPLAINS HOW THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEED ACCESS FOR OVERSIGHT BODIES AND OR ELECTED OFFICIALS.
SO WHEN WE ARE LEFT WITH A SYSTEM WHERE TRANSPARENCY OFTEN DEPENDS ON DISCRETION RATHER THAN CLEAR POLICY THAT MATTERS . I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL
SAY IT AGAIN WHEN FOOTAGE IS DELAYED OR WITHHELD, ESPECIALLY IN MOMENTS OF CRISIS IT CREATES CONFUSION, FRUSTRATION AND A LOSS OF TRUST IN THE VERY
INSTITUTIONS WE ARE WORKING TO STRENGTHEN. I WILL END WITH THIS QUOTE FROM THEN BOSTON POLICE COMMISSIONER WILLIAM EVANS DISCUSSING RELEASE POLICY THE BODY WORN
CAMERA FOOTAGE AFTER THE 2015 POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTING DEATH OF ANGELO WEST. THIS IS WHAT COMMISSIONER EVANS SAID. CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. IT CAN'T HAPPEN WHEN THINGS
OF THE AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT WHEN THINGS ARE BAD TO AND SO COMMISSIONER.
WHEN COMMISSIONER EVANS MADE THAT STATEMENT THAT WAS WHEN ANGELO WEST WAS INVOLVED IN THAT POLICE INVOLVED SHOOT I THINK ANGELO WAS UH SHOT AND
KILLED AT THAT TIME. BUT MY POINT AND I GUESS THE POINT I'M COMMISSIONER EVANS IS UH YOU CAN'T RELEASE THE VIDEO WITH POLICE INVOLVED SHOOTINGS
WHEN IT SHOWS THAT A POLICE OFFICER ACTED, UH, APPROPRIATE OR AND YOU CAN'T HAVE IT WHEN THINGS WILL SHOW THAT THEY DIDN'T. UH, AND WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT 4
OR 5 AND THE RELEASE BUT AGAIN THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR CULPEPER. COUNCILOR FITZGERALD, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR. UH, NO. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE FOR AGREEING TO COME IN. UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THING REALLY.
THIS IS A TO ME AN EDUCATION HEARING ABOUT JUST WHAT THE PROTOCOLS ARE AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE CAN BE ASKED, WHAT CANNOT BE ASKED AND WHAT THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE. SO I THANK YOU GUYS HERE FOR
COMING TO EXPLAIN THAT TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU COUNCILOR FITZGERALD. I WOULD NOW LIKE TO INTRODUCE TODAY'S PANELISTS. UM WITH US TODAY WE HAVE MICHAEL COX, THE COMMISSIONER OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND NICOLE TO CHIEF OF STAFF FOR THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. DAVID UM, FRED, A GENERAL COUNCILOR WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PAUL MCLAUGHLIN, SUPERINTENDENT WITH THE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIVE
SERVICES WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE THIS FRIDAY MORNING TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ALL FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS OR PRESENTATION YOU WANT TO GIVE AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO
MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY OPENING REMARKS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T PREVIOUSLY ANSWERED IN THE OTHER HEARING I, I WE ALWAYS
WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR, UH, TO THE PUBLIC AROUND EXPECTATIONS THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE FROM US. SO UM FEEL FREE. AWESOME. >> WELL THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AGAIN REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING WITH US HERE TODAY AND YOUR TEAM UH, WE'VE ALSO BEEN
JOINED BY COUNCIL LOUIJEUNE UM ,WE'RE GOING TO START WITH COUNCILOR QUESTIONS WITHIN SEVEN MINUTES PER COUNCILOR WENT TO A SECOND ROUND IF NEEDED. UM STARTING WITH OF THE LEAD SPONSOR COUNCILOR CULPEPER.
UM, YOU HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE IF YOU HAVE AN OPENING STATEMENT. SURE. >> YEAH. I JUST QUICKLY UM. UH GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A VERY BUSY SCHEDULES.
UM, AND ALSO THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC SO WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO COLLABORATE AND WORK TOGETHER THE CITY COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION TO FIND A DATE AND TIME THAT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR YOU TO BE HERE WITH US.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURES AND POLICY ARE REGARDING. UM. UH. >> POLICE WHEN BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION TODAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO THE SPONSOR
COUNCIL CULPEPPER. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE . WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR QUESTIONS SEVEN MINUTES. UM, STARTING WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR, COUNCILOR CULPEPPER. >> YOU GOT THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER UNDER UM, NATIONAL LAWS CHAPTER 38, SECTION FOUR DEALING WITH DEATH INVESTIGATIONS. UM, IT SAYS THAT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT
REPRESENTATIVE SHALL DIRECT AND CONTROL THE INVESTIGATION OF THE DEATH AND IT SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE OFFICE OF THE MEDICAL EXAMINER AND THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S WHOSE JURISDICTION THE DEATH OCCURRED. AND SO. FROM CHAPTER 38. UM. >> THAT GIVES THE DISTRICT
ATTORNEY THE AUTHORITY. TO DIRECT AND CONTROL THE INVESTIGATIONS AND HE COORDINATES WITH YOU, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S JUST IN ANY INVESTIGATION
IT HAS TO BE A LEAD THAT CERTAINLY THE PROSECUTED OF THE YEAR TO LEAVE UH, FOR THE COMMONWEALTH POLICE IN SUFFOLK COUNTY ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION. SO WE'RE PART OF A CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. HE'S THE LEAD.
>> ON HOMICIDE CASES. I WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN PROSECUTE CASES, BUT THEY CAN ONLY BE ONE LEAD. RIGHT. BUT YOU'RE COORDINATING WITH HIM THEN WHETHER HE'S THE LEAD
OR NOT, YOU ARE COORDINATING WITH HIM? YES. >> IT'S A COURTHOUSE. SO, UM YES. UM. >> SET OF GUIDELINES. AUTHORITY WITHIN 38 CHAPTER 38.
I JUST AS I DESCRIBED IT PRIOR THAT HE IS THE LEAD UH, CERTAINLY UM AUTHORITY FOR ALL HOMICIDE INVESTIGATIONS IN THAT IN THE COUNTY AND. WE WORK WITH. HIM TO HELP HIM FACILITATE.
HIS DOING. HIS JOB AS A PROSECUTOR. AS PART OF A TEAM. YES. >> RIGHT HERE. HE IS THE LEAD BECAUSE HE HAS THE AUTHORITY. AND UNDER FOUR FIVE IS THAT
BASED ON ANY LAW UNDER UM WELL. YOU JUST QUOTED IT. FOUR FIVE IS THAT BASED ON LAW? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A DEPARTMENT RULE? RIGHT RIGHT.
RIGHT WHAT WHAT. WHAT PART OF THE RULE, SIR? JUST 4 OR 5. I'M GOING TO GET TO THE SPECIFIC PART OF THIS IF YOU HAVE IF IT'S SOMETHING IN HERE
THAT IS BASED ON THE LAW. I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER THERE IS OR NOT. I, I I DON'T. >> KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT. YOU'RE ASKING. >> IF THERE'S. CONVERSATIONS THERE'S A THERE'S. A THERE'S. >> A PART.
OF THAT IF. THERE'S ANOTHER AGENCY. >> IN CONTROL OF AN INVESTIGATION THAT'S A. REFERENCE TO 38 FOR UM THEY WOULD DICTATE WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY COULD. REVIEW THE BODY. >> SO THERE ARE REFERENCES TO IT.
UM BUT IT'S A PRETTY EXPANSIVE BUT I DIDN'T. >> SEE ANY REFERENCES IN 4 OR 5 TO. CHAPTER 38. AND MY QUESTION IS CHAPTER 38 IS THE BOSTON POLICE
DEPARTMENT'S RULE THAT THEY CREATED INDEPENDENT UH CHAPTER 38. YES, SIR. AND. >> 45 IS UH LIST THAT THE THE
COMMISSIONERS RESPONSIBILITY AND AUTHORITY WITHIN UH DEALING WITH BODY CAMERAS THAT'S THE POLICY THAT DEALS WITH THE BODY
CAMS. ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT OUR INTERNAL REGULATION FIVE RIGHT. YES. AND AND 4 OR 5. THERE'S NO TIMELINE FOR
RELEASING BODY CAM FOOTAGE, IS THERE? THERE IS. >> NOT THERE'S NOT. UM. >> WHEN AN INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING. UM. >> THE DECISION WHETHER A BODY CAM WAS RELEASED TONIGHT IS
DETERMINED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. ON REQUEST. THEY'RE ALL DETERMINED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. YES, SIR. WELL, IN THE COUNTY IT IS TO. >> GO BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION. YEAH. >> COUNCILOR CULPEPPER, JUST ON
THE POINT OF WHEN THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE IS RELEASED. SECTION 8.2 OF THE RULE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS AND NOTES THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION
REQUESTS SUBMITTED UNDER MASS GENERAL LAW CHAPTER 66, SECTION TEN, WHICH IS THE STATE PUBLIC RECORDS STATUTE UH WILL BE COMPLIED WITH IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS SO IT TIES
DIRECTLY TO THE RELEASE OF BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE UPON REQUEST TO THE STATE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW AS TO WHAT CAN I. UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND. UH BUT I WANT LET'S LET'S TURN
TO 6.2 SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR FIVE UNDER 6.26.2 DEALS WITH UM AN OFFICER INVOLVED
EITHER DISCHARGE OF A WEAPON UH ,AN OFFICER THAT MAY HAVE WITNESSED AN INCIDENT, UH, OR AN OFFICER WHO WAS INVOLVED IN
AN INCIDENT. THAT'S CORRECT. COMMISSIONER. NOW WHO'S ANSWERING THE COMMISSIONER OR ATTORNEY OF BOTH OF YOU. SO WHEN WE COME TO THE HEARINGS WE BRING OUR YOU KNOW,
BASICALLY, UH, THE AUTHORITIES IN IN THE ER IN ANY AREAS WHICH YOU MIGHT ASK QUESTIONS TO HELP ASSIST ME, SIR. >> I MEAN YOUR LAWYER. NO THAT'S RIGHT. LOOK SO DAVE IS CERTAINLY. >> HE CAN YEAH HE CAN.
MR CHIEF UH, IS OUR UM YOU KNOW CERTAINLY OUR UH COUNCILOR UH, NICOLE IS MY CHIEF OF STAFF AND PAUL MCGRATH IS THE SUPERINTENDENT IN CHARGE OF BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES.
AND SO, UM, I WILL SAY THIS FOR THE PUBLIC THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT ACTUALLY RUN. >> THE. DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES AND I'M OVERALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE. SO TONY RESTS WITH YOU. YEAH.
BUT THOSE ARE THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS RIGHT. BUT EVEN. WITH REGARD TO BODY CAMS, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO EITHER RELEASE IT OR NOT TO RELEASE IT. YES.
>> AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT 6.2 IT DEALS WITH OFFICER ACCESS TO FOOTAGE FOLLOWING AN OFFICER INVOLVED DEATH, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OR THE USE
OF DEADLY FORCE. AND THE 6.2. SO WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THAT'S WHAT IT DEALS WITH DEALS WITH OFFICER-INVOLVED DEATHS
OFTEN ABOUT SHOOTINGS OR INVOLVE INVOLVES OFFICERS USE OF. DEADLY FORCE. YES REFERS TO THE ACCESS TO. THE RIGHT YES AND.
IF WE MOVE DOWN TO THE THIRD PARAGRAPH IT TALKS ABOUT. UH HOW THE BODY WORN FOOTAGE IS
ALLOWED FOR THE OFFICER TO TO EITHER REVIEW IT OR TO REVIEW IT WITH HIS ATTORNEY. THE THIRD PARAGRAPH. YEAH. >> AT THE REQUEST OF ATTORNEYS THE OFFICERS ATTORNEY MAY BE PRESENT WHEN THE OFFICER VIEWS
THE VIDEO. MR COMMISSIONER. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU REFERRING TO WITNESSES AT THE TIME DETERMINED BY THE SUPERVISOR IN CHARGE INVESTIGATION OFFICERS WHO WERE ONE INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT TO DISCHARGE THEIR WEAPON OR
THREE. WITNESS THE INCIDENT MAY VIEW THEIR OWN. VIEW I. MEAN VIDEO BEFORE GIVING A STATEMENT. RIGHT OFFICER'S REQUEST THE OFFICER'S ATTORNEY. MAY BE PRESENT. WHEN THE OFFICER.
VIEWS THE VIDEO. ALL RIGHT SO SO MY QUESTION IS THE OFFICER CAN COME IN AND REVIEW THE BODY WORN FOOTAGE
AFTER WHETHER THERE'S A DEATH INVOLVED OR NOT A DEATH INVOLVED EITHER WAY THE OFFICER CAN COME IN AND REVIEW THE FOOTAGE OF THE BODY. CAM AS DETERMINED BY THE SUPERVISOR IN CHARGE OF AN
INVESTIGATION AT THE TIME. OR YOUR DESIGNEE. AS DETERMINED BY THE SUPERVISOR IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION AT THE TIME. WELL, THE SUPERVISOR IS YOUR DESIGNEE.
MY QUESTION IS THE OFFICER CAN COME IN, REVIEW THE VIDEO AND I CORRECT WHEN IF THE SUPERVISOR SAYS HE CAN. COME YES. >> THERE HE GOES AND. HE CAN BRING HIS ATTORNEY WITH HIM. ALSO HEAR IF THE SUPERVISOR
SAYS THAT HE CAN BRING HIS ATTORNEY. INVOLVED IN ONE OF THESE INCIDENTS. >> THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY MAY BE PRESENT WHEN THE OFFICER VIEWS THE VIDEO. MY QUESTION IS THE OFFICER CAN
ALSO BRING HIS ATTORNEY IN. IT'S PRIVATE ATTORNEY TO. YOU IF. >> UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. IT'S IF THE. SUPERVISOR IF. IT'S DEEMED APPROPRIATE. IF I FIND A. SUPERVISOR INVESTIGATE A
SUPERVISOR WHO WOULD BE AND. PROBABLY BENEFITED. TEAM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DA'S. OFFICE WHO WOULD BE. THERE AT THE TIME. THANK YOU MR MICHELLE. PICK UP ON MY SECOND QUESTION. WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED OKAY .
THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR CULPEPER. COUNCILOR FITZGERALD. >> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR UH, AGAIN. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UH, AGAIN THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. UM, THE PROTOCOLS FOR RELEASING
THE BODY CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA FOOTAGE IN TOTAL I THINK, UH, REVEREND CULPEPER IS GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB AT GETTING THE BILL THAT I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SORT OF A A LARGER SPECTRUM. UH, SO FOLKS UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS.
COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR BODY CAMS AND DASH CAMS, WHEN IS A POLICE OFFICER TURN THEM ON, TURN THEM OFF? UH, WHEN WHEN WHEN THEY GIVE THEM BACK. UH, AT THE END OF THE SHIFT.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE CAMERAS? UH, HOW ARE THEY CHARGE. HOW LONG IS THAT TAKE? JUST SORT OF THE BASIC PROTOCOLS UH, PRIOR TO ANYTHING BEING RELEASED. SO I DON'T BELIEVE CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY DASH CAMERAS.
OKAY. >> IN THE APARTMENT SO CERTAINLY WITH BODY CAMERA THE ISSUE. THE ISSUE UM CERTAINLY THEY'RE SUPPOSE THAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY COME TO. WORK POLICE. PATROL OFFICERS UH WHEN THEY GO
TO CALLS THEY MUST TURN THEM ON UH, UPON RECEIVING THE CALL WHILE DRIVING THEY'RE. OKAY AND THEY REMAIN ON UNTIL THE THEY ARE FINISHED WITH THE. ACTIVITY OR THE CALL ALSO THEY
WOULD TURN THEM ON IF UH, THEY ENCOUNTER ANY TYPE. >> OF POLICE THAT'S AN. IN THEIR CALENDAR. CERTAINLY THEIR. POLICE POWERS ARE. BEING USED. UH AROUND THAT AGAIN. WITH TO KEEP IT ON UNTIL THE END OF THE.
INTERACTION UH WHEN THEY'RE. ACTUALLY LEAVING UH. >> THE AREA UH, AT. >> THE END OF THE DAY THAT. THEY'RE BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE DOCKED AND. >> THE. INFORMATION FOR THOSE CAMERAS ARE. UPLOADED. >> UH, INTO OUR UH, SYSTEM WHERE THAT INFORMATION IS KEPT
UH, IN THE OFFICER'S TAG THAT. INFORMATION WITH UH. WITH THE NUMBER OF INCIDENT NUMBER, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN UH. REFERENCE IT FOR FUTURE. AND THAT THAT STAYS PERMANENTLY UH, IT'S NOT A YOU KNOW, AFTER
30 DAYS OR AFTER YOU LIKE SOME THINGS THAT THERE'S NO IS THERE A DELETE TIMELINE OR ANYTHING ON ANYTHING? THERE IS A RETENTION SCHEDULE. >> IN RULE. 405 COUNCIL. GREAT. SO AND UM IT WOULD UH DELETE AUTOMATICALLY. >> I THINK.
>> THE THE THE SHORTEST TIMELINE IS A YEAR AND WE FOLLOW THE STATE GUIDELINES FOR THE RETENTION OF VIDEO IN THAT UM AND EVERY OFFICER EVERY PATROL OFFICER HAS TWO CAMERAS .
UM EARLY ON ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS THE BATTERY LIFE OF THESE CAMERAS AND A LOT OF TIMES THESE OFFICERS ARE ORDERED TO WORK A SECOND AND OVERTIME SHIFT AND THE BATTERY LIFE WASN'T LONG ENOUGH. SO NOW UH, THE BATTERY LIFE
SEVEN TWO BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TWO CAMERAS. UM, SO ONE CAN BE CHARGING WHILE UH, THEY HAVE THE OTHER ONE ON WHILE THEY WORK. AND SO DOES IT DEPENDS HOW IT IS TAGGED IN TERMS OF THE THE DELETION DEADLINE.
UH I MEAN THERE ARE CERTAIN AND HOW IS THAT DECIDED WHAT STAYS PERMANENT AND WHAT SAYS AFTER A YEAR UH IS THERE ANY I JUST THAT WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL OF SAYING OH THIS INCIDENT OR THIS THIS VIDEO SPECIFICALLY
NOTHING HAPPENED. THEY CAN BE GONE IN A YEAR OR THIS ONE UH, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON X UH IS WHY IT'LL BE STAYED UH, PERMANENTLY. I THINK YOU BACK TO THE QUESTION LIKE IT'S WHAT TYPE
OF CALL IT IS UM, FOR INSTANCE IF THERE'S AN ARREST IF THERE'S NOT AN ARREST OKAY. UM, AND UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IF IT'S A FELONY THERE'S DIFFERENT CATEGORIES IT FALLS IN FOR THE RETENTION. UM, I THINK IF IT'S A FELONY
ARREST IT'S ACTUALLY KEPT INDEFINITELY OKAY UNTIL MANUALLY DELETED. THE OTHERS ARE ON MORE OF A RETENTION SCHEDULE. AWESOME IF IT'S HELPFUL COUNSELOR. >> IN THE ROLE SPECIFICALLY SECTION NINE LAYS OUT THE FROM ONE YEAR TO INDEFINITE AND THE
SPECIFIC CATEGORIES OF INCIDENT THAT FALL WITHIN THOSE GREAT. ALL RIGHT SO IF I IF I IF I WANT TO LOOK UP DETAILED I CAN CHECK THAT OUT AND WHAT RULE IS THAT. RULE 405 RULE FOR FINE. YEP AWESOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I WON'T
NEED THE REMAINING PART OF MY TIME. UH, I'LL, UH, YIELD THAT BACK BUT THANK YOU CHAIR. AND AGAIN THANK YOU GUYS FOR COMING IN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FITZGERALD. COUNCILMAN LOUIJEUNE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU AND THANKS AGAIN FOR
COMING HERE. UM, I WANTED TO UM UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT THREADS THAT I WANT TO UH, SORT OF EXPLORE. UM, JUST A POLICY OF BEING ABLE
TO REVIEW BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE IN GENERAL. UM, WHAT UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES? SO, UM, LET ME NOT DO THAT. LET ME JUST, UM WE WOULD IT SAYS IF AN OBSERVER REQUESTS
ACCESS TO FOOTAGE BE MADE AVAILABLE, UH, OFFICER ACCESS TO THEIR OWN FOOTAGE. OFFICERS MAY REVIEW THEIR OWN BWC RECORDING WHEN THEY ARE INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMPLETING AN INVESTIGATION AND PREPARING OFFICIAL REPORTS.
SO THERE ARE TIMES LIKE IF THEY'RE WRITING A POLICE REPORT, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY CAN REVIEW, UH, BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE BEFORE THEY COMPLETE THAT POLICE REPORT. HAVE YOU EVER LOOKED AT A
SITUATION WHERE, UM I'M I'M SURE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STUDIES DONE BECAUSE I THINK THAT YOU PROBABLY WOULD WANT TO DO SOME STUDIES HERE WHERE YOU HAVE A CONTROL GROUP AND A NON CONTROL GROUP. UM. >> WHERE YOU LOOK AT WHAT DOES THAT POLICE REPORT LOOK LIKE IN
THE SITUATION WHERE THE OFFICER DID NOT REVIEW THE FOOTAGE AND WHAT DOES THE POLICE REPORT LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY REVIEW THE FOOTAGE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY SORT OF STUDIES TO LOOK AT WHAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT THE
REPORTS LOOK LIKE? SO I I'M NOT FAMILIAR. WITH WHAT. YOU KNOW, STUDY WHERE IT SHOWS WHAT THE WOULD LOOK LIKE VERSUS WHAT. IT WOULDN'T. UH THERE IS SOME RESEARCH OR UH ON PARTICULARLY TO. >> I THINK POLICE.
REPORT UM. THE EXECUTIVE PERF. YEAH THE. RESEARCH FORUM I'M SORRY. UH, WHERE HAVE THEY. LOOKED AT. ACTUALLY HAVING OFFICERS WRITE POLICE REPORTS. AND THEN.
UM, ACTUALLY HAVE THEM LOOK AT THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE. TO SEE IF. THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I'M GETTING TO TO. TO TO DO THAT AND UM. YES THAT THERE ARE SOME SOME STUDIES OR RESEARCH AROUND THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND WHAT DO THOSE STUDIES SHOW? I MEAN IT'S. DIFFERENT THEORIES. AROUND IT UH, WHERE YOU KNOW, UH, ONE THING THAT I DON'T KNOW. PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. FROM TIME TO TIME THAT UM, YOU
KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TRAUMA INVOLVED AND. >> WHAT HAVE YOU THAT YOUR. MEMORY SOMETIMES IS IMPACTED, RIGHT? >> THAT'S WHY EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY IS OFTEN DEEMED TO NOT BE THE MOST RELIABLE FORM. OF CERTAINLY THERE'S YOU. KNOW. >> THERE'S A. POLICE OFFICER OR NOT. >> IT.
DOESN'T MATTER TO HUMANS. RIGHT EXACTLY. WE HIRE FROM THE HUMAN RACE THAT APPLIES TO EVERYBODY. >> WHICH I. TRY TO EMPHASIZE ALL THE TIME. YES. UM YES. THAT YOU KNOW. YOU CAN'T BE. IMPACTED BY TRAUMA WITH YOUR MEMORY AND THINGS OF THAT
NATURE WHERE. UH, VIDEO RECORDING RECORDS. >> WHAT IT RECORDS. YEAH. >> UM, JUST JUST BE ON THE RECORD. I DON'T I'M NOT A FAN OF THIS POLICY THAT ALLOWS FOR A REVIEW OF THE FOOTAGE PRIOR TO COMPLETING THE POLICE REPORT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S
IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW HOW TO WORK OUT WHAT BIASES OR WHAT ISSUES WE NEED TO WORK ON IF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO PEOPLE NOT. OFFICERS BE ABLE TO REVIEW A VIDEO TO JOG THEIR MEMORY
OF WHAT HAPPENED. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO TO STATE THAT IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS ISSUE BUT UM I THINK IT'S UM.
WE'VE YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES POLICE REPORTS ARE TREATED AS, YOU KNOW, TRUTH AND I UNDERSTAND HOW REVIEWING OF THE BODY CAMERA COULD HELP TO GET TO THAT TRUTH. UM. >> BUT ALLOWING FOR POLICE
REPORTS THAT ARE JUST BASED ON MEMORY CAN HELP US BOTH EXPOSE ISSUES, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE REMEMBER AND HOW WE ACCEPT CERTAIN AUTHORITY OR NOT
UM, LIKE WHO IS WHO IS THE TRUTH TELLING THE SITUATION AND DEPENDING ON THAT CAMERA UH TO GET THERE I THINK. UH. >> YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF A LEVEL OF UNFAIRNESS IN IT IF I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING SENSE BUT IT HAS LIKE A LEVEL
OF INTENT, ISN'T IT? THAT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE. I WOULD PROBABLY ADD THAT, UM. YOU KNOW, HUMAN MEMORY AND. THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER RESEARCH AREA.
UH, BUT THE FACT IS IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT YOU KNOW, IS THE OFFICER TELLING THE TRUTH. IF THEY MAKE REFERENCE. >> TO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING LONG CONVERSATIONS WITH. PEOPLE PEOPLE ARE MAKING WITNESS STATEMENTS, UM. YOU KNOW, UH, THEY. >> MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO NOTE
DOWN. >> ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE THERE. SO REVIEWING IT ACTUALLY HELPS THEM. YOU KNOW, PORTRAY AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF WHAT SOMEONE. SAID. >> WHAT HAPPENED. THE EVENTS THAT OCCURRED. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.
IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH ALL THE STUFF GOING ON AROUND THEM AND PEOPLE WITNESS IT. SO IT'S FAIRLY. YOU KNOW, A. >> LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX ABOUT WHAT YOU CAPTURE IN. >> BODY VIDEO AND. THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT THE FACT IS UH YOU KNOW,
OVERALL IT. >> IS PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, MORE HELPFUL THAN NOT NOT HAVING IT . >> OUT. THERE WHEN YOU'RE TOTALLY. RELYING ON TRYING TO. TAKE NOTES, TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT SOMEONE SAID, UM, YOU. KNOW, YOU COULD. >> BE. DISTRACTED WHEN PEOPLE. >> ARE TALKING.
YEAH, IT HAPPENS QUITE OFTEN PARTICULARLY WHEN EMOTIONS ARE. HIGH AND I HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES LEFT. I FORGOT THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS. BUT IT'S I'M I'M. ACTUALLY NOT DEBATING THE RELIABILITY OF THE I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
IT'S NOT THE RELIABILITY OF THE CAMERAS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IN THE WORK OF POLICING GENERALLY TO HAVE THOSE UM BEFORE AND AFTER POLICE REPORT. WHAT DOES THE POLICE REPORT LOOK LIKE BEFORE YOU REVIEW THE FOOTAGE? WHAT DOES A POLICE REPORT LOOK
LIKE AFTER YOU VIEW THE FOOTAGE? I THINK IT CAN BE HELPFUL. YES. >> YES YOU MAY AS LONG AS IT GIVES ME MORE TIME. JUST JUST ADD TO THE THE UM SITUATION WHERE IN OUR RULE IT
ADDRESSES THEIR ABILITY TO TO LOOK AT THE VIDEO UM BUT IN FATAL FATAL YES. THERE'S I UNDERSTOOD YEAH. THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE POLICY IS THAT THEY DO NOT LOOK AT THE VIDEO.
SO IN ANY TIME THAT SOMEONE IS FATALLY SHOT OR LIKELY TO DIE, THE DA'S OFFICE WOULD EXERT THEIR. DEATH INVESTIGATION, UH, AUTHORITY AND AND CHANGE THAT. SO YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT WE TEASED THAT AT THE END OF THE
LAST HEARING AND MADE THAT CLEAR. BUT I DO APPRECIATE SORT OF REITERATING UM, THAT POINT UM, JUST A FEW UM, OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD REGARDING
THIS THIS POLICY UH, WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES CURRENTLY ALLOW OFFICERS TO ACT TO DEACTIVATE CAMERAS DURING AN ACTIVE SCENE ,VICTIM INTERVIEWS, HOSPITAL ENCOUNTERS, PRIVATE RESIDENCES OR ANY SENSITIVE INVESTIGATIONS .
JUST THOSE EXCEPTIONS YOU JUST SAID WITHIN THE RULE, UM, IN SOMEONE'S HOME AND THEY ASKED FOR IT TO HAPPEN. UH. ALTHOUGH IF. IT'S A, YOU KNOW, HOSTILE SCENE THINGS OF THAT NATURE IT'S THE OFFICER'S DISCRETION TO KEEP IT
ON. UM. >> BUT. CERTAINLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING INTO UH, HOSPITAL SETTINGS, UM ,YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SETTINGS WHERE IT'S PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE IT ON
WE HAVE IT, UM, YOU KNOW, CARVE OUTS FOR IT IN OUR. RULE SECTION 2.8 OF THE RULE LAYS OUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH AN OFFICER CAN DEACTIVATE THE CAMERA. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT IF YOU DEACTIVATE
THERE'S A REPORTING REQUIREMENT THAT COMES ALONG WITH IT TO EXPLAIN THE REASONING BEHIND IT. THANK YOU. UM. UH THE NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT UM, OPEN ACCESS.
UM, ED HAS INDICATED THAT THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE ACCESS CAN BE LIMITED BECAUSE OF ONGOING CRIMINAL MATTERS. ARE THERE EVENTS THAT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER OPEN REVIEW ACCESS AND SHOULD WE IF NOT IF SHOULD WE CONSIDER INDEPENDENT REVIEWING AUTHORITY
DURING UH DURING CRITICAL INCIDENTS? THAT'S A THAT'S ALSO A QUESTION I THINK THAT SOME FOLKS HAVE BEEN ASKING IN IN IN MEDIA REPORTS. SO UM, YOU KNOW.
>> TO SEE. >> OR SHOULD. WE DO. WE WANT TO WORK. YEAH. >> THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OVERSIGHT PANEL WHEN. >> THEY CERTAINLY REVIEW. UH OUR. OUR CASES THAT WE HAVE SEEN THEY.
>> HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ACCESS AND SO YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY HIGH PROFILE EVENTS, THINGS THAT NATURE. UH, THEY THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY. >> YOU KNOW, HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THROUGH THAT UH PORTION OF IT. UH THE OTHER PORTION OF OPEN.
IF IT'S A. CASE I DON'T. THINK BELIEVE UH. OUTSIDE OF. >> CASES THAT THEY'VE THAT THEY'VE. UH STARTED. UM YOU KNOW, UH. AND WORKED WITH US I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A MECHANISM TO. SHOW THEM.
>> OTHER THAN REGULAR FOIA REQUESTS LIKE THE REGULAR WORLD. YEAH. >> IF IF PAT THROUGH THE CRB IS INVESTIGATING A COMPLAINT WHERE THERE IS BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE PRODUCTION OF THE FOOTAGE TO OPEN, IT FOLLOWS THE SAME CRITERIA AS TO WHETHER OR NOT
IT WOULD IMPACT AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION OR FALL WITHIN ONE OF THE OTHER EXEMPTIONS SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL STATUS THAT GIVES THEM ACCESS TO FOOTAGE THAT WOULD DIFFER FROM IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC OR A MEMBER OF THIS BODY WERE
TO INQUIRE. YEAH. >> AND THEN THE THE ENSUING QUESTION IS SHOULD THERE BE UH A SEPARATE LEVEL OF ACCESS THAT IS NOT SEPARATE FROM RIGHT THAT IS AS UH POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY OR SOME SORT OF INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY THAT HAS REVIEW
POWERS IN A WAY THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PUBLIC. I KNOW WHAT YOUR ANSWER IS YES. BUT AND I'M. SO AS I MAY MENTIONED BEFORE. YOU KNOW PREVIOUS LIKE THIS ANOTHER SUBSECTION OF OPAC WHICH I. THINK IS IMPORTANT WHEN THEY
REVIEW OUR. TERM THE FREEST WORK THEY HAVE TOTAL ACCESS TO WHAT WE. DO HOW WE DO IT VIDEO. >> THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM PREVIOUS I AND TRY TO TELL IF IT'S A WHILE AGO BEFORE THIS VERSION OF OPAC WAS THERE.
WE WEREN'T YOU KNOW. QUITE WELL WITH THAT REVIEW AND SO CERTAIN HIGH PROFILE CASES. YOU KNOW WHEN WE DID THEM WE WE LET THEM REVIEW THE WORK THAT WE DID AFTER THE FACT. UH AND IT WAS A YOU KNOW, I
THOUGHT IT WAS QUITE PRODUCTIVE AND AND USUALLY. >> THEY. REVIEWED IT JUST AS THEY DO NOW TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT WAS FAIR THOROUGH UH, INVESTIGATIONS, UH, THAT OCCURRED AND UH AND IT USUALLY WORKED QUITE WELL BACK THEN. OKAY.
>> THANK YOU. UM, YOU ARE MOVING ON I DO I AM UH I'LL WAIT TILL I WAIT I WAIT FOR THE NEXT ROUND. IT'S FINE I KNOW, THANK YOU COUNCIL I'LL WAIT TILL THAT TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE COUNCILOR WEBER, WE HAVE THE
FLOOR. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR WEBER AS WELL. UM, OKAY. GREAT. SEVEN MINUTES. OKAY. >> IT WOULD BE STRANGE IF I WAS ASKING. QUESTIONS THAT I WASN'T HERE BUT UH UM OKAY, SO JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE THE RULES LIKE
PROMULGATION PROCESS, LIKE YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DO YOU HOW DO THESE RULES GET DEVELOPED AND THEN I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP WOULD BE YOU KNOW, THIS RULE IN PARTICULAR, COMMISSIONER, WHEN YOU CAME ON AS A DID YOU REVISE
THIS HAS IT HAS IT CHANGED? UM THE UM BODY WORN CAMERA RULE YEAH. SO YEAH WHEN YOU FOR 4 OR 5 UH AND. YEAH YEAH. SO IT. >> HAS BEEN UPDATED SINCE. YEAH.
>> UPDATED JANUARY 15TH. 2025 OKAY WHAT WHAT WHAT PARTS. WHICH PARTS NOW I CAN'T YOU KNOW. ANYTHING RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION THAT I MEAN SO I, I
ASSUME THE POLICE COMMISSIONER HAS TO SIGN OFF ON THE RULES OR SOME WAY I DON'T KNOW CHRISTY. SO A GENTLEMAN'S SECTION ONE. GENERAL CONSIDERATIONS. THIRD PARAGRAPH WAS ADDED. THAT SECTION 2.2 UH CAMERA.
ACTIVATION AND INCIDENT USE. PARAGRAPH WAS. EDITED UH SECTION 2.8. BODY WORN CAMERA DEACTIVATION. UH BULLET NUMBER. FIVE IS NEW UH SECTION 2.9
SPECIAL ACTIVATION FACTORS UH HAVE BEEN RETITLED AND BULLETED NUMBERS 12. >> TO 15 OUR NEW. SECTION 2.10. OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO FEDERAL TASK FORCE THAT'S A NEW SECTION.
SECTION 3.1 OFFICER'S RESPONSIBILITY. >> THIRD PARAGRAPH IS NEW. SECTION FIVE SUPERVISES. RESPONSIBILITY AS A NEW. SECTION TITLE WITH. UNIT COMMANDERS BEING ADDED. UH SECTION 5.2. DISTRICT AND UNIT.
COMMANDER OFFICERS. DESIGNEE LAST SENTENCE. IS NEW. COMMANDING OFFICER SHALL ENSURE THAT YOU. YEAH THAT'S IT. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE THAT LIST CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE.
PLEASE STOP USING.GOV UNDER OUR RULES AND PROCEDURE SECTION. IF YOU DOWNLOAD THE BODY CAMERA RULE THE PROCEEDING ORDER WILL DELINEATE THE CHANGES. OKAY I. GUESS JUST SO THAT I MEAN THIS
RULE IS IN PLACE BEFORE UH YOU KNOW GENERALLY IT'S BEEN REVISED BUT UM LIKE DOES THE DOES EVERY NEW POLICE COMMISSIONER AND I'M ALSO ASKING YOUR UH OTHER PEOPLE ON
THE PANEL JUST TAKE A REVISE THE RULES OR AT LEAST HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I WOULD SAY THIS. PROBABLY SHOULD LOOK AT IT TO REVIEW IT JUST TO MAKE SURE THE RULES ARE UP TO DATE. UM. >> THAT THEY'RE. >> NOT. OUTDATED IN SOME.
>> WAY, PARTICULARLY IF YOU CHANGE ANY OF YOUR. PROTOCOLS AROUND IT OR. ANY ASPECT OF IT. YOU HAVE TO. REVISE THE RULE. OKAY. >> UM UH I GUESS.
SO IN THAT LIKE 6.2 SECTION AND UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN INCIDENT OF AN OFFICER INVOLVED DEATH OR I CAN'T REMEMBER THE THE TERM THE WORDS.
SO AGAIN LIKE WHAT IS THE REASON WHY THE OFFICER FIRE WHO DISCHARGES THEIR WEAPON SHOULD REVIEW THE FOOTAGE BEFORE MAKING.
THEIR REPORT. WHY DIDN'T. YOU LIKE WHAT WHAT JUST YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT'S THE THERE WAS THE POLICY REASON WHY WE WANT THAT. SO IT'S. >> IN THE RULES THAT'S. WAS IN THERE FOR. CONTRACTUAL REASONS I WASN'T THE. COMMISSIONER WHEN THAT PORTION
WAS PUT. IN SO SO THAT'S FROM COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. THAT'S PART. >> OF THAT SECTION ABOUT THEIR ACCESS TO IT. YES OKAY I MEAN TO ME THE I
FEEL LIKE THE REASON WOULD BE THAT SOMEBODY IS POTENTIAL LIKE YOU KNOW POTENTIALLY CRIMINALLY LIABLE AND BEFORE YOU KNOW SORT OF LIKE GIVE THEM DUE PROCESS
OR SOMETHING YOU KNOW BUT FROM SO THAT MIGHT BE A REASON THAT THAT TO ME THAT YOU KNOW MAYBE JUST BARGAINING BUT IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY MAY BE GOING TO PRISON SO YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY WANT TO
HAVE BE REPRESENTED THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE PROCESS. UH, BUT. I CAN. SPECULATE BUT I WASN'T THERE FOR THE OKAY. >> WELL THE RULE SAYS THAT IT'S THE INVESTIGATOR IN. CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION. >> WILL MAKE THAT. DETERMINATION IF THERE'S A.
POSSIBILITY THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE A POLICE OFFICER IS GOING TO BE CRIMINALLY CHARGED, I THINK A CONVERSATION WOULD BE HAD AT THAT POINT OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT PERSON IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE VIDEO BEFORE THEY MAKE A STATEMENT.
UM, BUT THAT I JUST YET AGAIN SO THAT THAT'S BARGAINED AND THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT AND UH THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE JUST THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THERE. IT'S PART OF IT'S PART.
OF THE RULE MAKING. THE BARGAINING WITH THE UH, COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT AS PART OF THE RULEMAKING PROCESS . OH, IT'S GOT ANY IMPACT ON THE EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO
BARGAIN. SO THAT'S ONE PART OF THE, UH, FORMULATION OF THE RULE IS OUR OBLIGATION TO SIT AND TALK WITH. >> THE UNIONS ABOUT. HOW CAN I CLARIFY? I JUST WANT TO MAKE. THIS CLEAR. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BARGAIN. BUT THEY.
>> YOU KNOW, WE WE DO MAKE THE. RULES FOR OUR OFFICERS. YEAH. >> WELL I MEAN. IF IT IMPACTS THEM. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE AN OBLIGATION. TO BARGAIN. AROUND THAT. BUT UM. YOU KNOW, WE WE OWN THE.
RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE POLICE. >> OKAY. WELL ASIDE FROM THAT, IF IF I'M JUST MY GUESS IS I MEAN THERE ARE THERE MAY BE A FIFTH AMENDMENT ISSUE. THERE'S YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU KNOW, WITH SOMEBODY WRITING A
STATEMENT THAT MIGHT GET, YOU KNOW, RESULT IN CRIMINAL CONVICTION BUT TO WHAT I DON'T THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT OR THE THIRD SUBPART OF THAT IS
THAT WITNESSES TO THE THE DISCHARGE. >> OF. THE SHOOTING ALSO GET TO REVIEW THE VIDEO BEFORE THAT I DON'T I DON'T GET THE JUSTIFICATION OTHER THAN I YOU KNOW, I DON'T
SEE THE POLICY REASON FOR WHY WE'D WANT A WITNESS TO VIEW THE VIDEO BEFORE THEY MADE A STATEMENT. YOU MEAN WITNESS POLICE OFFICER. IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THE RULE I THINK IT SAYS UH THE PEOPLE WHO
CAN WHO CAN REVIEW THE VIDEO BEFORE ISSUING THEIR STATEMENT INCLUDES IT'S THREE IT'S LIKE ANYONE INVOLVED ANYONE WHO DISCHARGED THEIR WEAPON AND ANY
WITNESS, UH. PRIOR TO MAY WITNESSED THE INCIDENT. YOU KNOW THE NUMBER THREE. UM, MAY MAY VIEW THEIR OWN
VIDEO BEFORE GIVING A STATEMENT AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE I'M JUST I'M TRYING TO LIKE JUST MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR WHY YOU'D . SAY WRONG. THEY DON'T GET TO VIEW THE OTHER ANYBODY ELSE THEY GET. TO JUST VIEW THEIR THEIR OWN. >> YEAH YEAH.
THAT'S THAT'S YOU WAS SAYING SOMETHING THAT WAS. >> NOT. THERE OKAY. >> I. WAS. GOING. TO GET. >> ME THERE. >> I WAS LIKE OH MIKE WAS THAT. IN THERE. >> NO NO. BUT IT'S NOT THAT THEY VIEW THEIR OWN BUT I ALSO I DON'T. I THEY'RE THEY'RE. IF THEY'RE WITNESSING IT THEY'RE NOT THERE'S NOT THE
SAME FIFTH AMENDMENT THERE'S NOT IMPLICATING THEIR OWN CRIMINAL LIABILITY IF THEY'RE JUST FOR. HAVING ACCESS THAT HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO SEE. IT AS TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, THEIR. UH STATEMENTS. AND THINGS THAT THEY'VE.
DONE. >> NOT THE CASES. OKAY. >> JUST LASTLY, BEFORE MY TIME RUNS OUT, DO ANY OF THESE RULES CONTEMPLATE LIKE THE A GRAND JURY INVOLVEMENT UM LIKE DID IN
THIS YOU KNOW, IN THIS KING INCIDENT DID YOU LIKE WERE THE RULES THEY PROVIDE YOU ANY GUIDANCE FOR HOW TO HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS QUESTION OF WHAT DO WE DO DURING THE GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION?
UM. IN WHICH WAY I DON'T. IN TERMS OF THE THERE IS SOME SORT OF CONFIDENTIALITY THAT COMES WITH THE GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION. THAT IS NOT YOUR POLICY.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOVERNED BY YOUR RULES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ARE YOU REFERRING TO. RELEASE OF BODY CAMERA? ARE YOU REFERRING TO. STATEMENTS OF OFFICERS? UH. >> I I WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT
BODY CAMERA SO I'M TALKING ABOUT POLICE A BODY CAMERA I MEAN, DO THE RULES NEED AN UPDATE FOR TO THE RULES KIND OF PLAY A SITUATION WHERE THE YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THE OFFICER WAS BEFORE
THE GRAND JURY FOR THAT SHOOTING AT THE SCENE AT THE SAME TIME. SO IN THAT PARTICULAR. CASE PARTICULARLY IF IT'S UH, YOU KNOW. UH. >> AN INCIDENT CERTAINLY UH, WHERE THERE'S A DEATH INVOLVED THE OFFICER DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS OR WOULD NOT REVIEW.
>> A BODY CAM FOOTAGE. I MEANT THE PUBLIC, UH. THE PUBLIC THE PUBLIC HAVING ACCESS. AND I'LL SAY. THIS AGAIN AND. THIS IS. YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY CLARIFIES THAT A LITTLE BIT. MORE. >> SO, UM.
YOU KNOW, THE CRIMINAL. JUSTICE SYSTEM IS A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY. WHEN WE'RE. >> ENFORCING LAWS. THAT THERE'S. NO HIGHER LEVEL. OF ACCOUNTABILITY. THERE IS. OUR PRIMARY PURPOSE. >> WHEN WE INVESTIGATE IT. IS THE. >> THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE
THAT WE'RE TRYING. >> TO GET TO. IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S. GOING TO. INTERFERE OR. POTENTIALLY JEOPARDIZE. OUR ABILITY. TO HOLD. >> PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT IS NOT GOING. >> TO BE RELEASED. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE SHOWN.
IT'S NOT GOING. TO BE. SHARED BECAUSE THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE IS THE PRIMARY. PURPOSE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. RIGHT AROUND THAT. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU SEE CARVE. OUTS FOR INVESTIGATIONS. >> WHEN THERE'S.
>> A. CURRENT INVESTIGATIONS, IT'S BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATION. >> IS THE PRIMARY. FACTOR AROUND THE. ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE. THAT YOU'RE THERE FOR. BECAUSE WHEN YOU BRING TO. >> AN END CRIMINAL JUSTICE. SYSTEM ALL OF THOSE OTHER
THINGS THE TRANSPARENCY COMES IT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION COMES OUT AND IS SHOWN IN IT. BUT THE. FACT IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ALL WE CAN. TO HOLD. WHOEVER IT IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHATEVER. LAWS THAT MIGHT.
HAVE BEEN BROKEN AROUND THAT. AND SO. THAT IS THE PURPOSE. OF YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE THOSE. CARVE OUTS WORK THAT. CREATE AN INVESTIGATION. UH. >> WELL THIS GETTING IN THE WAY OF OUR ABILITY TO HOLD.
PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR. WHATEVER. >> YOU KNOW, CHARGES THAT MAY. >> HAVE BEEN, YOU. KNOW, UH, VIOLATED UH, AND. WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING. >> TO. IMPACT THE INVESTIGATION. >> TO DO THAT. YEAH. >> JUST TO JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU. CHAIR.
UM, I MEAN, I GUESS BASED AFTER RECENT EVENTS LIKE DO YOU DO YOU WANT TO DO YOU THINK THE RULES NEED TO BE REVISED OR DO YOU THINK THE RULES LIKE GIVE YOU THE FRAMEWORK TO MAKE THIS
YOU KNOW, TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS OR WHATEVER DECISIONS HAD TO. >> BE. SO BECAUSE I SEE WELL, I THINK WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR RULES AND POLICIES. AND TO SEE IF THEY REFLECT. >> THE BEST PRACTICES. >> OF WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD. UM.
INVESTIGATIONS PARTICULARLY DEATH INVESTIGATIONS. I THINK THE RULE. IS IT'S. FAIRLY APPROPRIATE. FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THE INVESTIGATION. IS PARAMOUNT. ABOUT WHAT. >> WE'RE YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS MAKING SURE WE'RE. HOLDING WHOEVER. >> IT IS ACCOUNTABLE.
FOR POTENTIAL, UH, VIOLATIONS OF THE LAW. UM. >> EVERYTHING THAT WE DO PARTICULARLY AROUND THE AROUND . RELEASE OF BODY CAMERAS DESCRIBED. BEFORE UH, IS. YOU KNOW, OUR POLICY IS. BASED AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN.
MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES IS BASED. >> ON THE UH ON THE. PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS. AROUND THAT. AND SO IF THERE'S AN ACTIVE. INVESTIGATION IT MIGHT INTERFERE IT WON'T BE RELEASED THE SECOND THAT WE'RE DONE WITH
THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED. AND SO. REMEMBER THE. PRIMARY PURPOSE. IS TO HOLD. PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING. THAT MIGHT JEOPARDIZE THAT. OR OUR ABILITY TO DO IT, WELL THEN WE'RE GOING.
>> TO HOLD BACK AND. NOT RELEASE IT UNTIL. UH. >> THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED. THAT THE. INVESTIGATION IS. IS FAIRLY. SURE WE'RE. >> NOT SURE THAT OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR LETTING ME GO OVER UM. MAKE SURE TO. >> AFFORD YOU THE SAME COURTESY
,PLEASE. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR WEBER. UH, WELL, I'LL GO INTO A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS. I'M STARTING WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR, COUNSELOR CULPEPER. YOU HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION BY COUNCILOR WEBER. WITH REGARD TO OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THAT. UM, A.
POLICE INVOLVED DEATH THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO COME IN TO REVIEW THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, AM I CORRECT. ? >> AND AN OFFICER INVOLVED? YEAH. THAT INVOLVED IN THE DEATH.
LET ME JUST. READ THIS BACK TO UH. IF IF AT THE TIME BY THE CHAPTER YOU JUST SAID A DANCER'S NO. AT A TIME DETERMINED BY THE SUPERVISOR OF THE INVESTIGATION
OFFICERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT. AND THIS IS A SECTION DEALING WITH AN OFFICER INVOLVED DEATH OFFICERS WHO WERE INVOLVED IN
THE INCIDENT, OFFICERS WHO DISCHARGE YOUR WEAPON, UH, OFFICERS WHO WITNESSED THE INCIDENT MAY VIEW THEIR OWN VIDEO BEFORE GIVING A
STATEMENT. AND SO FROM THAT STATEMENT THE OFFICERS CAN COME IN AND DO YOU REVIEW THE VIDEO BEFORE YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A STATEMENT? ISN'T THAT CORRECT?
THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE MR COMMISSIONER. UH. >> FURTHER AT THE OFFICER'S REQUEST, IF AN OFFICER SAYS I WANT MY ATTORNEY IN THERE TO
REVIEW THE FOOTAGE TO THIS SAYS THAT HE CAN HAVE HIS ATTORNEY WITH HIM WHEN THE OFFICER VIEWS THE VIDEO THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? UM. >> AT THE BOTTOM THE LAST PARAGRAPH UNDER 6.2 AT THE TIME. AND THIS. IS NOT. >> THE LEFT. 6.2 THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH SAYS.
SO. >> IT'S NOT THE BAR IT'S ACTUALLY THE THIRD NOT THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH. IT'S THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THE PAGE AND MY. PAGE IS ANOTHER. 6.2 WE'RE NOT READING FROM THE
SAME PAGE. OH THAT'S. RIGHT YOU IN 6.2 RIGHT. YES. PARAGRAPH THREE YOU'RE REFERRING RIGHT. THERE'S SO MUCH ON MY PAGE IT'S THE LAST ONE. BUT THERE'S A FOURTH PARAGRAPH TO THAT SIX POINTS.
NOT ON MY PAGE BUT WE'VE GOT THE DIFFERENT PAGES. BUT THE QUESTION. THEN SAYS AT A TIME DETERMINED BY A SUPERVISOR RIGHT RIGHT. BUT IF THE SUPERVISOR SAYS TO
THE OFFICER INVOLVED I APPROVE YOU COMING IN TO VIEW THE VIDEO, THE OFFICER CAN COME IN AND REVIEW HIS VIDEO BEFORE GIVING A STATEMENT.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THEY COULD. THEY COULD AND. >> HE. AND HIS ATTORNEY CAN ALSO COME IN WITH HIM TO REVIEW THE FOOTAGE. ACCORDING TO RULE IF.
ACCORDING TO THE RULE. BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE . AND IN THIS CASE AND WE REALIZE THAT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTROLS ALL EVIDENCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, CERTAINLY IF WE'RE INVESTIGATING THE SCENE WE WOULD. PROBABLY SAY COMMISSIONER, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CONTROL ALL EVIDENCE? NO. >> SO A DEATH INVESTIGATION AGAIN IS UNDER THE PURVIEW. BUT YOU.
DO CONTROL THE EVIDENCE WITH REGARD TO THE DEATH INVESTIGATION, IS THAT CORRECT? CONJUNCTION WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. >> BUT DO YOU CONTROL THE EVIDENCE ACCORDING TO 4 OR 5? DO YOU WHEN YOU. IN FACT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY
HAS TO REQUEST THAT YOU RELEASE THE BODY CAM IN ORDER FOR THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO GET THE BODY CAM ISN'T THAT CORRECT? IF YOUR QUESTION IS DO WE RETRIEVE IT? YES WE INVESTIGATED SO WE ACTUALLY RETRIEVE THE EVIDENCE
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY SO HE CAN THEN REVIEW ALL THE EVIDENCE. BUT MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU CONTROL ALL THE EVIDENCE ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL
INCLUDING THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY HAS TO COME TO YOU TO MAKE A REQUEST TO GET THE BODY CAM. IT'S RIGHT IN 4 OR 5. WE SHARE IF CERTAINLY THE EVIDENCE THAT WE RETRIEVED ON BEHALF OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY
WITH HIM. BUT IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU KNOW THERE'S SEARCH WARRANTS INVOLVED WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO TO A JUDGE. THERE'S OTHER UH, MEETINGS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
SAYS RIGHT HERE ON THE 8.1 PROSECUTORIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCESS FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL PROSECUTORS SHALL MAKE REQUESTS FOR BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE DIRECTLY TO THE VIDEO EVIDENCE
UNIT. CORRECT. >> SO THEY HAVE TO COME TO YOU ,THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO EVEN VIEW BODY CAM FOOTAGE. IT'S OUR SYSTEM. SO YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO SHARE
IT. AND IN THE CASE OF MR. KING. THE AND I'M I'M SO I'M HAPPY THAT THE FAMILY FINALLY GOT A
CHANCE TO REVIEW THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT HE COULD THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY COULD SHOW IT TO MR KING'S FAMILY. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? IF YOU. >> HAD SAID NO, HE COULD.
NOW ISN'T THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITY WITH REGARD TO WHO VIEWS THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE? ISN'T THAT CORRECT? NO. >> AS AGAIN WE RETRIEVE THE, UH INFORMATION FOR THE PROSECUTOR. >> FOR THE CORRECT RECITATION.
ONCE IT'S IN THEIR HANDS IT'S YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY EVIDENCE YOU. EVEN HAVE BRUISING HERE REGARDING HOW LONG IT'S KEPT, WHERE IT'S KEPT WHEN IT'S RELEASED UNDER FOUR FIVE.
ISN'T THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW THE EVIDENCE AROUND BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE. YES. AND THERE'S NO TIMELINE FOR RELEASING IT WITH REGARD TO ANY
OF THE PROSECUTORS, THERE'S NO TIMELINE IN HERE WHATSOEVER WITH REGARD TO RELEASING THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION NOW. WELL, LET ME LET ME MOVE TO
ANOTHER TIME. LET ME MOVE TO ANOTHER. >> TRY TO EXPLAIN LET. ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT CLEAR I MEAN. PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S PUBLIC OUT THERE LISTENING IF IT'S THE KIND OF HAPPENS WE AS I'M NOT. RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST. >> TRYING TO GET TO THE. ANSWERS AND GIVE IT IN
CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROSECUTOR. MR COMMISSIONER. LET ME SEE IF I CAN MAKE IT CLEAR FOR YOU. IN ORDER TO ME. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING. I'M TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR YOU KNOW WHAT I TOLD IN THE
HUNTINGTON NEWS? THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS A REVIEW OF BODY CAMERA PROGRAMS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES REVEALS WIDE VARIANCE ACROSS POLICIES, AND THE POLICY LANDSCAPE IS CONSTANTLY EVOLVING.
WHILE NO ONE POLICY IS PERFECT, SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. SO CARGO CIVILIAN OFFICE OF POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY IS AN EXEMPLARY MODEL OF SOLID POLICY WITH REGARD TO BODY CAMERAS AND
OFFERS GUIDANCE FOR BOSTON WHEREAS AND THIS IS GOING RIGHT TO 45 IN THE HUNTINGTON NEWS WHERE IN BOSTON RU 405 IS
STIPULATES THAT THE BODY CAMERAS IS THE SOLE PROPERTY OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SHALL NOT BE RELEASED WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION OF THE COMMISSIONER.
ASTONISHINGLY, EVEN BOSTON'S OWN POLICE OVERSIGHT HAS BEEN DENIED ACCESS TO THE FOOTAGE OF KING'S KILLING. AND SO MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY
THIS THERE'S NO TIMELINE WHEN THE BODY CAMERA CAN BE RELEASED . SO THAT RULE IN REFERENCE TO THAT SO. YOU KNOW NO NO NO HERE'S MY. QUESTION MR COMMISSIONER I JUST THERE'S.
NO NO NOTHING. CAN I JUST. BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT. >> I THINK IT'S ALL IMPORTANT I REALLY DO BUT MY QUESTION. INTERNAL IT'S IN 305 AND I. UNDERSTAND THAT FOR ALL THE
PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CANNOT TAKE PICTURES, BODY CAMERA STUFF AND SEND IT OUT TO YOUTUBE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT'S A RULE SAYING NO ONE HAS AUTHORIZATION TO RELEASE
BODY CAMERA OTHER THAN POLICE COMMISSIONER, RIGHT. >>? >> MY YES WITH THE PROSECUTORS AS A WHOLE. MY QUESTION IS IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR EXAMPLE NEW YORK
RELEASES BODY CAM FOOTAGE AND 45 DAYS INFO OH FIVE IS THERE ANY TIMELINE WITH WHICH BODY CAM FOOTAGE CAN BE RELEASED? NOT WITHIN THAT ROLE BUT I TOLD
YOU OUR POLICY IS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW. SO BASICALLY IF THERE'S NOTHING. COMMISSIONER, THERE'S. NOTHING FOR YOU. SIR, CAN I GET A YES OR NO ON MY QUESTION? I'M TRYING. THERE'S A TIMELINE. >> I DON'T NEED TO GET. AN EXPLANATION THAT PEOPLE CAN
UNDERSTAND. BUT WHAT. >> I WOULD JUST SAY, COMMISSIONER, I WILL. TRY TO. >> DO THAT. LET ME AND. LET ME ASK THE QUESTION TO TRY AND GET A QUICK ANSWER BECAUSE MY TIME IS UP. HOW ABOUT. >> A THIRD IS. IS THERE A.
TIMELINE IN 405 WHERE BODY CAM FOOTAGE CAN BE RELEASED? WE RELEASE A BODY CAM FOOTAGE USING PUBLIC RECORD LAW SO THERE'S NO EXEMPTIONS.
PEOPLE CAN REQUEST THE BODY CAM. FOOTAGE AND THEN WE WILL RELEASE IT ACCORDING TO THE PUBLIC RECORDS. IF THERE'S A CURRENT INVESTIGATION THEN THERE WILL BE AN EXEMPTION FOR NOT
RELEASING IT UNTIL THAT IS DONE. WHEN IT'S COMPLETED AND WE WILL RELEASE. .18.1 >> DOESN'T REFER TO THE STATE LAW AT ALL. 8.1 SAYS AS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
ACCESS WHETHER WHETHER IT'S STATE, FEDERAL AND LOCAL THAT THEY COME TO YOU TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STATE LAW AND RELEASE AND PUBLIC RECORDS.
AND MY QUESTION IS SIMPLY IS THERE A TIMELINE ANYWHERE IN 405 WHERE BODY CAMERAS CAN OR CANNOT BE RELEASED. SIMILAR TO WHAT I JUST
DESCRIBED IN 8.2 IT SAYS PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT SHALL RESPOND TO PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS SUBMITTED AND THE MASS GENERAL LAW 66 SECTION TEN IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE
STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS. IT'S MAKING REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT WE USE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW AS OUR STANDARD FOR ISSUING OUT UM REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC RECORDS.
WE'LL HAVE A THIRD. >> WHICH HAS ITS OWN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU WHICH HAS ITS OWN TIMELINES IN GENERAL. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS AND I'LL COME BACK TO IT IN A MINUTE. I WANTED TO TRY AND MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER. >> FOR YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CULPEPER. UM, WE'VE.
>> BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL OVERALL. UM, I. >> WANT TO GO TO COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE. UM, FOR SEVEN MINUTES. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL REALM AND I. >> WANT TO UP THERE NOW. UM, COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE YOU HAVE THE BAR. THANK YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO NEED ALL OF MY TIME BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ARE
ANSWERED IN THE FIRST ROUND. BUT WHAT? WE'LL SEE. UM. I HAVE A QUESTION. REGARDING. >> UM. >> HOW LIKE FOOTAGE REQUESTS. . >> SO BPD REPORTEDLY. RECEIVED ABOUT 800 BODY CAMERA.
POLICE REQUESTS LAST YEAR IN THE. >> FIELD ABOUT 500. WHAT WERE THE CRIME. IS THAT NICHOLAS YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. IS THAT NOT CORRECT? GO AHEAD. AND I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. UM, WHAT WERE THE PRIMARY. REASONS FOR DENIAL AND HOW MUCH
OF A BACKLOG IS THERE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IN REVIEWING. UH. >> HOW TO FULFILL THOSE REQUESTS? ALL ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I MISSED THE THE END OF THAT. WHAT WERE THE PRIMARY REASONS
FOR DENIAL? SO 800 REQUEST 500 FULFILLED AND WHAT IS THE BACKLOG LOOK LIKE AND WHAT ARE THE REASON FOR BACKLOG. THE PRIMARY REASON FOR DENIAL. OF ACCESS TO FOOTAGE. IN GENERAL? YEAH. >> BODY CAMERA. FOOTAGE I.
THERE'S NO GENERAL ANSWER. THE INVESTIGATIVE WOULD BE UM ONE THAT WOULD COME UP A LOT UM ,PRIVACY IS ONE THAT WOULD COME UP A LOT UM THAT YOU KNOW
IT'S DEPICTING SOMETHING OF AN INDIVIDUAL UM, NOT PRIVACY FOR THE POLICE OFFICER BUT PRIVATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN IN THE VIDEO UM, FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEBODY IS BEING DEPICTED IN A VERY
UNFLATTERING WAY UM, THERE'S A PRIVACY EXEMPTION THAT WE DON'T THINK THAT THEIR PRIVACY RIGHTS WOULD TRUMP THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT TO SEE THAT UM, AND THEN STATUTORY WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEATH INVESTIGATIONS, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY SAYS THAT CAN'T BE RELEASED. THAT WOULD BE A STATUTORY EXEMPTION UNDER A CODE.
SO OF THE 1273 REQUESTED, 722 WERE RELEASED IN 551 WERE DENIED. OKAY. >> UM, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAL THAT THE DENIAL.
IS TWO WAYS THEY CAN APPEAL UM, WHETHER IT'S A DENIAL OR REDACTIONS, THEY CAN GO TO THE SUPERVISOR OF PUBLIC RECORDS. UM, THEY COULD ALSO FILE A LAWSUIT IN SUPERIOR COURT TO GET THE RECORDS.
UM, AND THE LEGISLATURE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE STATUTE IN 2017 TO ALLOW FOR ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COURT COSTS. NOW IF YOU GO TO SUPERIOR COURT IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GET YOUR RECORDS OKAY.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME JURISDICTIONS. WHERE LIKE THE RELEASE OF THE. FOOTAGE IS. REQUIRED EVEN WHEN THERE IS AN INVESTIGATION. CAN YOU HAVE YOU REVIEWED SORT OF.
THOSE POLICIES AND HOW THEY'RE BALANCING WHAT WE. WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO VOLUNTEER AS WELL, WHICH IS NOT. TRYING TO PREJUDICE THE INVESTIGATION BUT STILL THERE'S STILL A REQUIREMENT IN THOSE JURISDICTIONS TO RELEASE BODY
WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. AND SO I SEE SO WE DO RELEASE THE FOOTAGE SO YOU KNOW WHICH PEOPLE MAYBE DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM AN INVESTIGATION INVOLVES
IT INVOLVES A LOT UM YOU KNOW WITH WITNESS STATEMENTS YOU'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT WENT ON OR WHAT OCCURRED. IN THE FOOTAGE COULD. IMPACT THAT. SOMETIMES PEOPLE SEE THINGS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE WITNESS TO SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T
SEE UH, THAT THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON AROUND THAT. BUT THE REALITY. >> IS THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT. VERY GOOD. I MEAN, IT RELATES BACK TO MY EARLIER POINT ABOUT POLICE REPORTS PRIOR TO SEEING A VIDEO AND AFTER A VIDEO BUT.
I MEAN BUT YOU'RE I MEAN HUMANS . >> ARE YOU'RE SAYING POLICE OFFICER HUMANS AS WELL. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT THAT I THINK THAT'S IT'S VERY I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. NO BUT THANK BUT THANK YOU. BUT THE POINT IS IS THAT WHEN
WE DO AN INVESTIGATION WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED THE FACTS OF WHAT HAPPENED AROUND THAT AND UNTIL YOU DETERMINE STUFF AND UM, YOU RELEASE AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVING.
FOOTAGE AND SEEING ALL THIS MUDDIES THAT UP. IT MAKES YOUR CASE, YOU KNOW, LESS PROVABLE OR LESS LESSENS OUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY BRING A CASE FORWARD. AND SO UNTIL THE INVESTIGATION IS. OVER.
>> IT'S ABOUT US ACCUMULATING THE FACTS TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT I. >> GUESS WHAT I'M. ASKING BECAUSE I HAVE NOT DONE IT BUT WHEN WE'RE DONE. IT'S RELEASED OUTSIDE OF OF SOME OTHER EXCEPTIONS. THE FACT IS I DON'T. WANT TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION
THAT SO. YOU KNOW IT'S INDEFINITE WHENEVER I. KNOW I UNDERSTAND. THAT BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS WHEN EVEN WHEN THERE IS AN IMPENDING INVESTIGATION. >> THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO RELEASE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. UH, CAN I JUST THAT.
YEAH. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE THE EXEMPTION IS NOT JUST OH, THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION. WE'RE NOT GOING TO RELEASE IT. IT HAS TO PREJUDICE THAT. I STATED THAT. >> YES. RIGHT. >> AND SO. THERE ARE. >> PLENTY OF THINGS THAT WE
HAVE RELEASED ON CASES EVEN THOUGH THERE'S STILL THE INVESTIGATION IS NOT COMPLETE SIGNED OFF IN OVER UM BUT AS YOU CAN IMAGINE IF IT'S A IF
IT'S A DOCUMENT IN A REPORT SOMEHOW IT'S VERY EASY TO GO IN AND REDACT THAT TO TAKE OUT THINGS THAT MIGHT PREJUDICE AND RELEASE IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT WITH THE VIDEO. THE VIDEO SHOWS SO MUCH MORE SO
THAT'S WHY VIDEO IS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL WHEN IT COMES TO REDACTING OUT WHAT MIGHT BE PREJUDICIAL AND AND PREJUDICE THAT INVESTIGATION AS
OPPOSED TO DOCUMENTS. AND YOU MADE MENTION OF OTHER PLACES. YEAH THERE THERE ARE MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT SAY THEY PUT TIMELINES 30 6090 DAYS ON IT
BUT VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM HAVE EXEMPTIONS FOR INVESTIGATIONS. SO YOU KNOW, WE PUT OUT A TIME I SAID WE'LL RELEASE IT IN 90 DAYS. WE GET IT. WE SAY WE HAVE A CAMERA FOR INVESTIGATIONS. YOU'RE IN THE SAME POSITION WE
ARE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S ACTUALLY MORE TRANSPARENT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE SENSE WE'RE SAYING YOU KNOW PUT A PUBLIC RECORD FOR RECORDS REQUEST IN IF WE COULD RELEASE IN OTHER WORDS IF AND THAT'S AN IMPACT IN OUR ABILITY TO DO IT,
WE'LL DO IT WITHIN THAT TIMELINE WHICH IS FAR FASTER THAN ANY OF THESE OTHER JURISDICTIONS TIMELINES THAT YOU HEAR OUT THERE AND VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM HAVE THESE EXEMPTIONS.
SO I YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC OR PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE THAT THINK THAT WE HAVE A GUIDELINE AROUND WHEN WE RELEASE IT IF THERE'S NO UM ,IMPACT TO AN INVESTIGATION, UH, WE WILL RELEASE THE COURT
AND PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS. UH, IF THERE IS THEN WE WON'T UM, UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT INVESTIGATION IS DONE OR AT LEAST IT WON'T BE IMPACTED IN THAT WAY. UH, AND UM, YOU KNOW, I YOU
KNOW, I JUST DON'T WANT FOLKS TO THINK THAT IT'S IT'S THIS INDEFINITE THING THAT GOES ON ON FOREVER AND EVER. THANK YOU. >> AND IF I MAY, I HAVE. ONE LAST QUESTION REGARDING LIKE SECONDARY USE OF SURVEILLANCE UM, FOOTAGE UH,
USES ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ARE THERE RELIGIOUS GATHERINGS FOR UM DEMONSTRATIONS? PROTESTS LIKE WHAT? MAKE SURE THAT LIKE WE'RE NOT USING. ANY SORT OF.
FOOTAGE OR SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, UM TO INFRINGE ON SOMEONE'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. AND HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY BODY WORN CAMERAS. WE DON'T WANT TO INFRINGE. ON PEOPLE'S FIRST MINUTE RIGHTS.
>> IS THAT IT DOES ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THERE IS POLICY. IN THE UH THERE ARE IN. RULE 4. >> OR. 5 THAT. >> TALKS ABOUT THAT. SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO IT. BUT IF IT. IF WE DON'T SURVEIL PEOPLE'S
FIRST AND PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS BUT IF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY HAPPENS DURING A DEMONSTRATION OR A FIRST ROUND PROTECTING THE BODY CAMERA IS EXPECTED TO BE
ACTIVATED WHEN THERE'S AN ARREST THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE OR AN INTERACTION LIKE THAT IT DOES IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTIVE EVENT THAT'S GOING ON DOES NOT PREVENT THE
OFFICERS FROM TURNING ON THEIR BODY CAMERA WHEN THEY HAVE TO CONDUCT AN ARREST OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> COUNCIL AND. UM. >> COUNCILOR WORRELL YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. UH THANK. >> YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU.
FOR BEING HERE. COMMISSIONER AND TEAM. UH, ONE OF MY FIRST. QUESTIONS IS AROUND. UM. >> MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I WAS WATCHING. >> THE HEARING IS THAT WE UPDATED, UH, WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT UPDATED, UH,
THE. CAMERA. >> BUT BUT, UH, CAMERA BWC A BODY WORN CAMERA RULES IN 2025 . WHAT WAS THE PROCESS LIKE? CAN YOU TALK TO ME? WHO WAS AT THE TABLE?
UM, WAS IT JUST AN INTERNAL PROCESS? UM, WHO WHO WAS THAT DONE? >> SO ALL OUR RULES ARE INTERNAL. THEY'RE MEANT FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENTS. SO, UM, UM, WE WE USUALLY HAVE ,UH, A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT,
YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH OUR RULES ,UH, AND SEE WHAT REQUIRES UPDATING IN GENERAL. UM. >> THE FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS . WHEN FEDERAL AGENCIES STARTED
TO USE BODY CAMERAS IT IT IMPACTED US BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WOULD WHO WERE ASSIGNED TO THESE SPECIAL TASK FORCES. AND SO WE HAD TO NOW UPDATE OUR
RULE TO ADDRESS THAT. SO A LOT OF TIMES CIRCUMSTANCES THAT HAPPENED THAT HAPPENED OUTSIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT DIFFERENT DIFFERENT WAYS MIGHT GET PASSED. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE UPDATED THE BODY WORN CAMERA RULE WITH
THE RETENTION POLICY JUST BECAUSE THE STATE HAD CHANGED THEIR RETENTION POLICY AND SO WE HAD SO THERE ARE SOMETIMES LAWS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT DICTATE A RULE.
RIGHT FOR YOU FOR YOU TO UPDATE YOUR. >> YEAH YEAH. AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO LOOK AT ALL. >> THE RULES IN GENERAL. YEAH YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE FEDERAL ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE UH FEDERAL AGENCIES DECIDING THE TASK FORCE THINGS OF THAT
NATURE AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE UPDATE THAT REGARDING BODY CAM FOOTAGE KIND OF THING . PRIOR TO THAT THEY DIDN'T ALLOW US TO HAVE BODY CAMERAS WHEN. >> WE WORKED WITH. >> THEM. AND THEN UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A
TASK FORCE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED TO REVIEW UM BODY WORN CAMERA. UM IN THE FOOTAGE THEY HAD 2020 AND I BELIEVE THEY RELEASED A REPORT UM IN AUGUST OF 2022 UH
,THE TASK FORCE. FROM WHAT. I'M READING HERE WAS. YOU KNOW, WAYNE BUD REVEREND JEFFREY BROWN, UH, ALLISON CARR . RIGHT. UH, EDDIE CRISPIN KNOW OR SOME
OTHER PEOPLE AND THEY WERE UM, RELEASED A REPORT THAT SAID LAW ENFORCEMENT BODY CAMERA TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED REGULATIONS FOR THE PROCUREMENT AND USE OF BODY WORN CAMERAS UH, BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM AND THE DATE ON THIS IS AUGUST 2ND OF 2022. UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED? WELL, I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS DO YOU. REMEMBER THE.
REPORT UM, THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DO NOT I WASN'T IN. >> THIS COMMISSION AT ALL AND. YEAH YEAH HE WASN'T THERE YET. NO. >> OKAY WELL THERE IS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THIS
REPORT UM THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED UM IN THE RULES UM ONE OF THOSE OR A FEW OF THOSE IS GO TO I WAS RIGHT HERE.
IS ACCESS UH GAVE RECORDED INDIVIDUALS AND MEXICAN UH ACCESS TO THEIR OWN UH FAMILY MEMBER OR FOOTAGE. UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE RULES, UM, THAT THE TASK FORCE THAT
SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS ALLOW BROAD PUBLIC ACCESS TO UM BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE VIA FOR YOU UM
AND THEN. WHICH IS WHAT WE DO, RIGHT. YEAH THEY SAID WELL THEY YES I GUESS THE WAY THAT THEY WROTE OUT THE RECOMMENDATION UM IT
WASN'T FULLY IMPLEMENTED INTO THE RULES ON HOW THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED IT. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE FOLLOW THAT'S I MEAN THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAW MASSACHUSETTS THE YEAR IS THE FEDERAL BUT.
YEAH I GET REQUEST I GET THAT AND THEN ALSO PART OF IT WAS UH CLEAR PROCEDURES AND CONSEQUENCES PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE TIERS UM EFFECT IN PROMOTING SOCIETIES AROUND UM
BODY WORN CAMERAS BUT I GUESS WHICH BUT WHICH WE ALSO. WHICH WE ALL. HAVE TO. >> DO OKAY. I KNOW FOR A FACT WE DO UH IT IS AUTOMATIC DISCIPLINE WHEN ANY RELATION A VIOLATION OF BODY WORN CAMERA THAT THAT
WAS NOT A THING BEFORE AUGUST 15TH OF 2022. OKAY. >> UM AND THAT'S WHAT I RECEIVE TO RECEIVE IN THAT REPORT I CAN ABSOLUTELY THAT'S THIS IS ABSOLUTE ACCOUNTABILITY AROUND BODY WORN CAMERA.
WHERE OKAY. AND IT MIGHT NOT BE FULLY TO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IN THE REPORT. UM BUT IT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN A WAY THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED IT. RIGHT.
I THINK THE REPORT MIGHT HAVE WENT A LITTLE FURTHER THAN WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE RULES. I THINK WE ACTUALLY DO ADDRESS THAT IT'S. THERE IS A THERE IS A DISCIPLINE AN AUTOMATIC DISCIPLINE IF YOU VIOLATE THE
BODY CAMERA AND IF YOU DO IT A SECOND TIME IT WILL BE PROGRESSIVE. UM SO I THINK. FROM WHAT YOU READ. IS IF YOU DO THE SAME THING A SECOND TIME THE DISCIPLINE IS GOING TO BE. HIGHER BECAUSE. >> THE COMMISSIONER HAS PUT OUT
THE THE MESSAGE THAT BODY CAMERA IS IMPORTANT AND YOU HAVE TO USE THEM. GOT IT. >> AND THEN MY MY LAST QUESTION CHAIR IS. UM I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME EXEMPTIONS ON WHEN YOU DON'T
HAVE TO RELEASE A BODY WORN CAMERA. UM BUT DOES THAT REQUEST NEED TO BE MADE AGAIN AFTER LIKE LET'S SAY AN ACTIVE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS DONE? YES.
SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT AGAIN SO YOU DON'T AUTOMATICALLY RELEASE IT ONCE. THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A ROLLING OBLIGATION ONCE IT'S DENIED OR RELEASED WITH WITH
REDACTIONS THAT'S CLOSED OUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY CAN APPEAL THAT IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE ANSWER THEY CAN APPEAL TO THE SUPERVISOR OR TO COURT. RIGHT. UM IF THEY DON'T THEY HAVE
EVERY RIGHT TO COME BACK AT A LATER TIME AND MAKE THAT SAME EXACT REQUEST. IF THERE'S NO LONGER AN INVESTIGATIVE EXEMPTION, THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY GET THERE. AND HOW MANY OF THOSE RIGHT
WHERE THE WHERE THE EXEMPTION WAS ACTIVE AND UH ACTIVE INVESTIGATION UM WHERE WE DENIED PUBLIC REQUEST HOW MANY OF THOSE. THAT HAVE NOW BEEN.
CLOSED I I DON'T HAVE THAT OKAY I DON'T. >> KNOW I GUESS THROUGH THE CHAIR WELL. >> I LOOK IT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSED IS UH RECORD KEEPING THEM THEN. SO RIGHT THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECORD YOU HAD. >> TO REQUEST IT AGAIN. YES. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT I
JUST. >> KIND OF. CLOSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND. JUST FROM. FROM PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE I CAN'T NAME THE CASE BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME BACK AT A LATER TIME. NO ONE GOT THE RECORDS BECAUSE
THE EXEMPTION THAT WAS USED NO LONGER APPLY. I REPLIED RIGHT, YEAH I GUESS I JUST WANT TO KNOW FOR MY FOR MY SAKE. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANYTHING ASKED? UH I DON'T THINK IT
COUNCILOR WORRELL WE'RE NOT GOING TO UH ANOTHER ROUND UM COUNCILOR CULPEPER YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE KING FAMILY
BEING, UH, SHOWN THE VIDEO BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND MY QUESTION WAS. DID YOU TALK WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY ABOUT WHETHER THE KING FAMILIES SHOULD SEE THE VIDEO? NO, NOT.
>> PARTICULARLY ABOUT THAT. I KNEW YOU WOULD SHOW IT. BUT YOU KNEW HE WOULD SHOW IT. YEAH. >> IT'S PART OF THE. DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND. YOU CAN YOU PROVE THAT HIM SHOWING IT? I MEAN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD YOU KNOW, THAT HE WOULD AT SOME POINT.
>> YEAH. BUT YOU DIDN'T DISAPPROVE. YEAH. >> AND LET ME JUST TURN TO HOPING FOR MY REMAINING TIME. SO YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM OPEN UH, RECENTLY DEALING WITH
. THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION REVIEWING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OPEN THAT CORRECT. YEAH OPAC BECAUSE IN THE NEGATIVE.
REMEMBER SHE HAS MISSED THE COMMISSION AND I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS PLEASE. YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM OPEN RAISING ISSUES ABOUT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION
REVIEWING ALL PAT'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. IS THAT CORRECT? I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM OPEN YEAH SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHY OF THAT THAT HAPPENS BUT WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO INVESTIGATE ALL ALLEGATIONS
OF MISCONDUCT BY OUR EMPLOYEES. RIGHT? >> RIGHT. BUT COMMISSIONER THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME FROM OPAC ARE INDEPENDENT OF ANY INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION.
AM I CORRECT? THEY DID THEY CERTAINLY SEEM. >> TO BE. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AREA OF AUTHORITY UNDER THE LAW TO REVIEW CASES THAT COME TO THE
INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION AND ALSO TO OPEN AND TO MAKE THEIR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS. AND AND THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. YES.
AND YOU'VE BEEN RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE INVESTIGATIONS EXCEPT FOR EIGHT CASES. WHY ARE YOU STILL HOLDING THOSE EIGHT CASES THAT OPA IS WAITING
FOR A DECISION ON? >> I BELIEVE I RESPONDED TO EVERY CASE. THERE'S NO ALTERNATE HERE'S A LETTER RIGHT HERE. MR COMMISSIONER LET ME JUST. REVIEW IT FOR YOU. I RESPONDED TO ALL CASES TODAY .
THERE'S EIGHT CASES THAT OPEN IS STILL BEEN LAID WAITING FOR A DECISION ON. LET ME READ THE LETTER FROM THE LETTER THEY SENT TO YOU. THERE WERE EIGHT CASES. AS FOR COUNCILMAN CAMARA CASES IN GENERAL.
THESE SPECIFIC TO BODY WORN CAMERA CASES? NO THESE ARE THESE ARE GENERAL CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> AND AND THE MAY 1ST LETTER SAYS THERE REMAIN EIGHT CASES
OF SUSTAINED FINDINGS TO WHICH YOUR OFFICE CONTINUES TO BE UNRESPONSIVE. THE DEPARTMENT'S PATTERN OF DELAY AND NON-COOPERATION OPEN REMAIN A MAJOR.
DO WE HAVE TO STAY ON TOPIC OF THE HEARING TOPIC? SO UM, BODY WORN CAMERAS UNFORTUNATELY. I THOUGHT WE WELL OKAY WELL LET ME GO ON TO BODY WORN CAMERAS AND IF YOU WANT.
THAT'S YEAH WE GOT TO KEEP IT ON TOPIC. HAPPY TO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING ON OPEN IT. SO UM. >> WELL. I KNOW I'M. CLOSING SOME ASKING QUESTIONS BUT. >> YOU CAN ASK IT. I MEAN THEY CAN I MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY OKAY
. SO THERE'S BEEN A DISPUTE OF WHETHER THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS UH.
CAN REVIEW THE DECISIONS OF PARENT AND IN THE LETTER IT DISPUTES WHETHER THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION HAS THE
AUTHORITY TO EVEN MAKE A DECISION WITH REGARD TO WHAT OPAC RECOMMENDED. IT FURTHER POINTS TO THESE EIGHT CASES THAT THE
DEPARTMENT'S PATTERN OF DELAY AND NON-COOPERATION REMAIN A MAJOR HINDRANCE TO OUR WORK. IT'S TIME TO SPEED UP THE WORK AND THE TALKING ABOUT THOSE EIGHT CASES WHERE THEY SEE THE
SAME FINDINGS AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOUR OFFICE. MY QUESTION IS WHY IS IT THAT OPEN. NUMBER ONE.
THE DECISIONS ARE REVIEWED BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION AND NUMBER TWO FOR THESE EIGHT CASES DO YOU DO YOU THINK
WITHOUT SOME KIND OF TIMELINE REQUIRING YOU TO RESPOND TO THEM WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOU IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT OPA DECISIONS ARE RESPONDED TO?
WE RESPOND TO THEIR DECISIONS. >> IN. SOME OF THOSE CASES IT HAS TO DO WITH US INVESTIGATING TO VERIFY THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SO I COULD MAKE A UH UH A FINDING ON THEIR ON
THEIR RECOMMENDATION. UM AND THAT'S USUALLY WHAT MOST OF THAT. BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEIR POSITION IS THAT THERE'S NO NEED FOR YOU TO INVESTIGATE THE INVESTIGATION THAT THEY'VE
CONCLUDED WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU BECAUSE ZAM RECOMMENDATION. BOSTON POLICE. DEPARTMENT NO, I UNDERSTAND. >> FOR ALL DISCIPLINE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORK HERE I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO VERIFY UH, THE
REASON WHY SOMEONE IS BEING DISCIPLINED AND I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE IT NEVER MIND ALL OF THE THE CONTRACTED OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO UM THROUGH OUR PERSONNEL AROUND IT.
UH, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS TO APPEAL AND AND MULTIPLE COURT PROCEDURES THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO I CAN, UM, BASICALLY DELEGATE MY RESPONSIBILITIES TO SOMEONE
ELSE. SO I AM ACTUALLY FULFILLING MY OBLIGATION UH, BY. >> DOING THAT. MR COMMISSIONER. YES. MY QUESTION IS OPEN HAS THEIR OWN AREA OF AUTHORITY WITH REGARD TO DOING THEIR
INVESTIGATION AND RESPONDING WITH FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE OFFICE. THESE ARE EIGHT CASES THAT HAVE YET TO BEEN RESPONDED TO. MY QUESTION IS WHEN WILL YOU
RESPOND TO THEM OR ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND TO THEM. OR RESPOND TO ALL CASES BY THE WAY WE HAVE RESPONDED BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE. >> THEM FOR THESE EIGHT. I BELIEVE THAT THE PROBABLY LEADS THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL ONGOING TO DETERMINE THE
FACTORS. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION. MR COMMISSIONER, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE WHAT OPEC HAS ALREADY INVESTIGATED. AND MADE ABOUT. MR COMMISSIONER HERE LET ME FINISH LET ME FINISH MY
QUESTION. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO INVESTIGATE AND THAT'S WHAT THE DISPUTE IS ABOUT. THAT YOU ARE INVESTIGATING THE CASE THAT THAT THEY HAVE
INVESTIGATED MADE FINDINGS ON AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR YOU TO INVESTIGATE WHAT OPEC UNDER THE LAW HAS ALREADY
INVESTIGATED, MADE FINDINGS ON AND MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU. IF IT'S THE LETTER I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIR, THEY WERE ASKING FOR LEGAL JUSTIFICATION. SO IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT UH.
THERE'S IN THE MAY 2ND LETTER. LEGALLY SPEAKING. NO NO NO. >> MR. MR. COUNCILOR THEY WEREN'T THEIR POSITION WAS THEY WERE
DISPUTING WHETHER YOUR INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION HAS THE RIGHT TO INVESTIGATE CASES THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY INVESTIGATED, MADE FINDINGS ON AND SUBMITTED
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO IMPLEMENT. IN MY LEGAL OPINION IS WE WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. TO INVESTIGATE. THOSE UNDER BOTH THE COLLECTIVE
BARGAINING AGREEMENTS UNDER BOTH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE CASES GOING FORWARD WHETHER THEY GO TO ARBITRATION ,WHETHER THEY GO TO. >> CIVIL SERVICE. >> WHETHER THEY END UP GOING TO SUPERIOR COURT. THERE'S A LOT OF LEGAL ISSUES THAT GO WITH THAT.
THAT THE COMMISSIONER NEEDS TO DO HIS OWN INVESTIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN ANY SUSTAINED FINDINGS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE CASES. SO THERE IS A VERY BIG.
LEGAL COMPONENT TO THAT THAT WE DO NOT GET IN THE WAY OF DOING THEIR JOB. THEY DO THEIR JOB, THEY COME UP WITH FINDINGS, THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE THEY ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE
COMMISSIONER AND WITH THOSE IF THEY ARE SUSTAINED RECOMMENDATIONS THEN WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION AND A DUTY TO REINVESTIGATE THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN THAT
MOVING FORWARD. ,EVEN THOUGH OPEN TO AUTHORITY IS TO INVESTIGATE. ACTUALLY IT'S. MY THOUGHT THE COMMISSIONER LET ME FINISH. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SET OF AUTHORITY OPACITY AUTHORITY IS NOT YOUR AUTHORITY.
>> I KNOW YOU GOT A LOT OF AUTHORITY. NO ACTUALLY OPEB MR COMMISSIONER, LET ME FINISH . >> ACTUALLY MY AUTHORITY CONSUMES ALL OF THAT. NOT ALL. >> THE DISCIPLINE BUT THE COMMISSIONS. LET ME LET ME BE LET ME BE
CLEAR ON SOMETHING I'M JUST TRYING TO GET WHEN YOU WILL ANSWER THESE EIGHT CASES AND WHETHER WE SHOULD WORK WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES YOU TO RESPOND TO OPAC WITHIN A
CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. . >> AND SO I DO RESPOND BACK TO OPAC. AS WE. MENTIONED BEFORE. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON THE
CONSENT DECREE FOR NOT INVESTIGATING ALLEGATIONS OF MISCONDUCT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM. SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO INVESTIGATE OUR AND OUR PERSONNEL, UH, FOR
THE ACTIVITIES THAT GO ON TO MAKE SURE THAT WE VERIFY UH, THAT THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE OR NOT TRUE AND THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY. CAN'T BE. MY QUESTION TELLING YOU ARE YOU GOING TO RESPOND TO THEM ON
THOSE EIGHT CASES AND IF SO WHEN? I'VE ALREADY ANSWERED. THAT WHEN THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE COMPLETE. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. MR. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU COUNCILOR.
UM CULPEPER I ALWAYS WANT TO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF MY COUNCILORS HAVE ASKED DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO STAY ON TOPIC ON UM, THE DOCKET ORDER FOR A YEAR TO EXAMINE THE BOSTON. >> POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROTOCOLS.
FOR RELEASING POLICE BODY CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA FOOTAGE SO IF WE CAN STAY ON THAT TOPIC, HAPPY TO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING ON ANY OTHER TOPIC THAT MY COLLEAGUES WANT. UM COUNCIL AS WELL.
UM, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. . >> UH THANK YOU, THANK YOU CHAIR. I DO. >> MY BEST TO STAY ON TOPIC UH. TIMELINE UM RULES. UM, LIKE HOW WHEN DO WE GO BACK AND UPDATED? I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S, UM, YOU
KNOW, DETERMINING ABOUT WHAT FEDERAL OR STATE LAWS. BUT IS THERE A TIMELINE ON WHEN YOU KNOW YOU UPDATE IS IT LIKE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, END OF THE YEAR OR IS IT AT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR? YOU KNOW THE DEPARTMENT.
>> IS CONSTANT. ANYTHING COULD CHANGE AT ANY TIME DURING THE YEAR. GOT IT. >> IDEALLY YOU'D. >> GET. IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SOMETIMES THERE'S AN IMPACT THAT NEEDS TO BE MARGIN WITH THE UNION, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT
AND SO THINGS CAN CHANGE THAT TIMELINE. >> A LITTLE BIT. AWESOME. >> AND THEN CAN YOU CLARIFY THE ROLES AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN. THE VIDEO. VIDEO EVIDENCE. UNIT UM. THE BODY WORN CAMERA UNIT AND
THEN THE AUDIT AND REVIEW TEAM. THE THE BODY. >> WORN CAMERA UNIT AND THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT I WOULD THINK THE. OTHER THING OKAY I THINK THAT. JUST THE TERMINOLOGY IT'S THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT IS THE UNIT
IN THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT . THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE JOB IS IS A LOT OF THE JOB IS DEALING WITH THE BODY WORN CAMERA VIDEO . UM, IN. >> THAT UH THE AUDIT IN REVIEW UNIT IS UNDER THE BUREAU
OF PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS. OKAY. UM AND THEY WILL THEY HAVE MANY DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE THAT THE BODY WORN CAMERA AUDIT REVIEW IS JUST ONE
OF MANY FUNCTIONS THAT THEY HAVE. ALL RIGHT. >> AWESOME. UM, AND THEN I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION OR REQUEST TO THE CHAIR IS. UH. >> YOU KNOW, REQUESTING A WORKING SESSION TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THE TASK FORCE
RECOMMENDATIONS COMPARED TO RULE 4 OR 5 AND THEN POSSIBLY CREATE A LIST OF UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF WHAT THE TASK FORCE HAS ALREADY SAID TO
PROPOSE TO THAT COMMISSIONER. COUNCIL, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR OFFICE TO UM, MAKE. >> THAT HAPPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AWESOME. >> THANK YOU COUNCIL AS WELL. WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR UM FLYNN. UM THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
WE ARE I THINK OUR FIFTH ROUND OF QUESTIONS. AT THIS. POINT UM, WE'RE GOING TO UH, THE SUBJECT MATTER IS UM, ORDER FOR A HEARING TO EXAMINE THE
BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S PROTOCOLS FOR RELEASING POLICE BODY CAMERA AND DASHBOARD CAMERA FOOTAGE. I WANT TO GIVE YOU SEVEN MINUTES. UM, COUNCILOR FLYNN. TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. UM. >> RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. >> AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
I WAS AT A MEMORIAL. DAY EVENT WITH, UH, FALLEN FALLEN HEROES AND GOLD STAR FAMILIES THIS MORNING.
COMMISSIONER. BEFORE BEFORE WE BEGAN. I HAD A HEARING. HERE EARLIER ON STAFFING LEVELS. UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO
RESCHEDULE IT, I GUESS. BUT IS THIS SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COME UP AND TESTIFY ABOUT STAFFING LEVELS? SURE. >> I JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF COORDINATION SCHEDULING. UM. >> YOU KNOW, I. >> DON'T DETERMINE WHEN YOU
PICK THE DATES FOR THOSE. OKAY. >> UH, THE ONLY REASON I. DID WE ALREADY PARTICIPATE IN THAT. ALREADY DID WE KNOW WE HAD A HEARING THAT THE CHAIR HAD IT? UM, THIS WEEK YOU WERE INVITED
AND OR A MEMBER OF YOUR TEAM WERE INVITED, BUT, UM, LISA DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, BUT I I I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR ME TO HAVE HAVE THE
COMMISSIONER DOWN. AND APOLOGIZE ON FOR CHANGING MY SCHEDULE. I GUESS IT'S AND IT'S GETTING PRETTY BUSY BUSY EVERY DAY. I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND I'M I'M TRYING TO DO MY JOB TO
SUPPORT THE POLICE AND SUPPORT ,UH, RANK AND FILE POLICE. UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN POLICE OFFICERS WERE 16 HOURS OUT OF THE. DAY. >> UM, I TRIED TO SUPPORT THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES.
I DO THINK WE WE PLACE THEM IN A DIFFICULT POSITION WHEN THERE'S MANDATORY OVERTIME AND THEN A POLICE OFFICER IS WORKING ON A 15TH HOUR OR 16TH HOUR TO WE'RE PUTTING THEM IN
HARM'S WAY. I DO THINK IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THEM BUT IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THEIR FAMILIES. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS OF FAMILIES.
AND I'M THE PERSON ON THE COUNCIL FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. I SUPPORT THE POLICE. I CONSISTENTLY SUPPORT THE POLICE UM, PROBABLY MORE SO THAN ANY CITY COUNCIL HERE.
UM UM SO IT CAN BE FRUSTRATING TO ME WHEN WHEN I CALL A HEARING CALL FOR A HEARING AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LEADERSHIP DO NOT SHOW UP. WELL ACTUALLY THERE WAS SOMEONE FROM MY DEPARTMENT SO WE HAVE
MULTIPLE. YES LISA WAS HERE AND SHE DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB BUT I DO THE QUESTIONS THAT I DIDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO ASK. HER BECAUSE UM YOU KNOW WASN'T
REALLY IN HER IN HER LANE BUT. SHE SHE SHOWED UP SHE WAS PROFESSIONAL. SHE WAS OUTSTANDING. UM. SO MR CHAIR, NOW I'M GOING TO GET BACK TO MY QUESTIONING. IS THAT IS THAT OKAY?
THAT'S FINE. YOU GOT FOUR MINUTES. OKAY. >> YOU CAN HAVE YOU. >> TAKE YOUR TIME, COUNSELOR FOOT. THANK YOU. >> AND AGAIN, UM, I DIDN'T HEAR THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. I'M GOING TO HEAR THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO
REVIEW THAT LATER. UM, TODAY WHEN I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AND I'M SURE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS MIGHT BE HAVE ALREADY ASKED BUT HERE'S MY QUESTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER. THERE IS A POLICY OF WHEN TO RELEASE CAM BODY CAMERA FOR A POLICE OFFICER WHEN NOT TO RELEASE SAID BUT IS IT
SELECTIVE? DOES IT DEPEND ON THE SITUATION DOES IT DEPEND ON THE POLICE COMMISSIONER? DOES IT DEPEND ON THE SCENARIO WHERE YOU KNOW, SOME POLICE COMMISSIONERS IN THE PAST HAVE
BROUGHT ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CLERGY MEMBERS TO TO THE POLICE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE TO TO REVIEW BODY BODY CAMERA REVIEW
A VIDEO I SHOULD SAY AND THEN OTHER TIMES THAT'S NOT THE POLICY BUT IS THERE A POLICY THAT'S CONSISTENT OR IS THAT IS
THE POLICY DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION AND THE COMMISSIONER AND IS THERE SOME LEEWAY IN IN TERMS OF WHEN THE VIDEO CAN'T
BE RELEASED AND NOT RELEASED REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE POLICY STATES? SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO I, I WOULD SAY THIS THAT WE WE USE PUBLIC RECORD LAW AS OUR POLICY I MEAN POLICY FOR
RELEASE OF BODY WORN CAMERA IF THERE'S AN EXCEPTION TO IT AT THE TIME AND. >> WE. GOT INVOLVED IN INVESTIGATIONS THEN WE WOULD NOT RELEASE IT WHILE THAT UH INVESTIGATION IS
ONGOING. BUT AT SOME POINT, UM, WHEN ALL INVESTIGATIONS. CONCLUDE OR THERE'S NO OTHER EXEMPTION THAT WOULD COVER IT UH, AT THE CONCLUSION. >> OF. OF THAT INVESTIGATION. >> WE WOULD, YOU. >> KNOW.
RELEASE AT LEAST THE BODY WORN CAMERA OR UH, OR ANY EVIDENCE THAT UM YEAH, THE PUBLIC RECORD LAW SAYS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, RELEASE. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WHO. IS HERE.
>> SO SO A POLICE COMMISSIONER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RELEASE. OR TO SHOW OR TO SHOW ELECTED OFFICIALS OR MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY BODY CAMERA AND
SELECTIVE CASES. SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST PICKING A RANDOM GROUP OF PEOPLE. >> AND ENSURING THAT. YOU KNOW, NOT A RANDOM GROUP OF PEOPLE MAYBE UM, MAYBE
WELL-RESPECTED CLERGY MEMBERS, MAYBE CITY COUNCILS, UH, STATE LEGISLATORS AND MAYBE UH, A FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS SOMEHOW
IMPACTED IN A SITUATION WHERE THE BODY CAMERA IMPACTED THEIR LOVED ONE NOT NOT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC BUT TO SELECTIVE PEOPLE. UM, AS AS I MENTIONED.
IF YOU ASK COULD THAT A COURT YES, IT COULD OCCUR. DEPENDING ON DEPENDING ON WHO THE POLICE COMMISSIONER IS OR DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIO. BOTH. >> MY PROBLEM IS THAT SCENARIO BASED AROUND YOU. KNOW, YOU.
>> ENGAGED IN FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES IF SOMETHING MIGHT BE DICTATED UH, FOR EMERGENCY REASONS THAT WE MIGHT NEED PUBLIC TRUST IN SOME WAY WHERE IT MIGHT IMPACT THE
INVESTIGATION. BUT THE REALITY IS, UH, THERE'S A PUBLIC SAFETY NEED TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW THAT'S FAR GREATER THAN, UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO. SO SOMETIMES FACTS AND
CIRCUMSTANCES DICTATE UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING OUTSIDE OF THOSE POLICIES. YES. >> WOULD THE IMPACT OF THE VIDEO HAVING A IMPACT ON POTENTIAL MEDIA COVERAGE OR
POTENTIAL IMPACT ON UM, HOW THE COMMUNITY REACTS WITH THOSE TO BE CONSIDERED. >> AS A. FACTOR IN TERMS OF NOT NOT SHOWING A TO A SELECTIVE GROUP OF UM CLERGY, UH, CITY COUNCILS
. SO THAT IS THAT ROUTINE. YOU KNOW, UM THAT WOULD BE A REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE. I'LL SAY THIS OUR OUR GIVEN POLICY IS THAT WE WILL RELEASE
IT THAT'S THAT'S AND WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE DO NOT RELEASE THAT THERE'S AN EXCEPTION TO IT BUT THAT EXCEPTION DOESN'T LAST FOREVER. AND THEN WHEN THE INVESTIGATION IS OVER AT THE EXCEPTIONS OVER THAT IS GOING TO RELEASE IT. SO TRANSPARENCY IS THE GOAL
AROUND IT. BUT THE REALITY IS IF IT IMPACTS OUR INVESTIGATION OUR ABILITY TO HOLD SOMEONE ACCOUNTABLE THEN WE'RE GOING TO POSTPONE THAT UNTIL WE DO OUR PRIMARY FUNCTION AND THAT IS
HOLDING UH WHOEVER IS VIOLATING SOME LAW OR YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AROUND THAT BODY WORN CAMERA ACCOUNTABLE AND THEN WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THAT INVESTIGATION. THEN IT WILL BE RELEASED.
THANK THANK YOU COMMISSIONER I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE SUPERINTENDENT MCLAUGHLIN WHO IS VERY RESPONSIVE AND UM, PROVIDING PROVIDING A LOT
OF GOOD FEEDBACK UM, TO THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON. SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SUPERINTENDENT MCLAUGHLIN'S PROFESSIONALISM AS WELL. MR CHAIR, UM, I'M OUT OF TIME. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
AS I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, UM FURTHER QUESTIONS. DO YOU NEED MORE TIME RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO WRAP UP YOU'RE. >> GOING TO WRAP UM. AFTER CULPEPER. SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER. MISTER CHAIR OUT OF THE OUT
OF RESPECT FOR MY COLLEAGUES, I'M GOING TO I'M NOT GOING TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FLYNN. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. COUNCIL. WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, FURTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. UH, TO A REQUEST. I THINK COUNCIL. LOUIJEUNE MIGHT HAVE ACCESS.
>> BUT IF WE COULD GET. A LIST. OF, UM. I GUESS. >> IT'S FOR YOUR. REQUEST A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. AND THEN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED SO WE KIND OF COULD .
SEE WHICH. YOU KNOW. >> WHAT ARE THE EXEMPTIONS AND WHAT ARE THE MOST COMMON. UH, EXEMPTIONS. BEING USED FOR DENIAL? WE CAN WE COULD START WITH THAT REQUEST TO THE COMMITTEE. THANKS. >> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
PRESENT. YEAH RIGHT. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, UM. GO BACK. >> TO COUNCIL. OKAY. I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. UH. >> COMMISSIONER, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE WAY DECISIONS ARE
MADE ON THESE BODY CAMS, UH, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS? YES. >> AND IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW THE DECISIONS ARE MADE.
THAT THE BIAS BUREAU CHIEF HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RELEASE OR MAKE A DECISION THAT THE COMMANDER OF THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT APPROVES OR DENIES REQUEST
THAT A SUPERVISOR. UH HAS ACCESS AND THAT'S UNDER 6.5. THAT CAN. APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THE REQUEST THAT THE COMMANDER ON
THE SCENE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE OR DENY THEIR REQUEST. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT. UM BUREAUS THAT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO. REVIEW. >> APPROVE OR DENY THE REQUEST,
IT COMES DOWN TO THE FORM 26. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH FORM 26. I KNOW IT FORM 26 IS OUR YES. UM LET. >> ME JUST READ THIS TO YOU IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CURRENT
PRACTICE SET AN OFFICER RECEIVE A SUBPOENA FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS FOOTAGE. THE OFFICER SHALL DIRECT THE SUBPOENA TO THE SUPERVISOR WITH A FORM 26.
SO WHEN THE OFFICER DIRECTS THE. OFFICER WITH THE SUBPOENA TO A FORM 26. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURE
FOR WHEN A FORM 26 IS APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED? JUST TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE FORM 26 IS. IT'S A IT'S A BASICALLY A REPORT WHERE THE OFFICER A
FORMAL WAY OF THE OFFICER REPORTING SOMETHING INTERNALLY AND WHAT THAT REPORT WOULD BE IS BASICALLY SOMEONE IS MAKING A FOYER REQUEST IN HIS MOVE AND DIRECTING IT TO OUR SECTION
OF TO MAKE THE UH, DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO BE POLICE. AND THEN UNDER THAT FOR YOU. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, COUNSELOR, THE SECTION THAT YOU'RE READING FROM IS SPECIFICALLY FROM SECTION 8.1,
WHICH IS ABOUT RIGHT LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCESS. SO I WOULD CONSIDER IF AN OFFICER IN THE COURSE OF A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION LIKELY RESULTING FROM AN INCIDENT THAT THEY RESPONDED TO RECEIVES A
SUBPOENA FROM EITHER THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR DEFENSE COUNCILOR FOR FOOTAGE THAT MAY BE EVIDENCE AS PART OF A CRIMINAL CASE, NOT AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING BUT A CRIMINAL CASE.
THE PROCESS FOR THAT OFFICER TO GET THE FOOTAGE TO ENSURE THAT IT IS RELEASED APPROPRIATELY IS TO SUBMIT THAT REQUEST WITH A FORM 26 THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. SO FORM 26 IS ARE NOT USED AT
ALL IN AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING. FORM 26 IS A IT'S A GENERAL TERM FOR A DOCUMENT USED INTERNALLY IN A VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES. >> NO BUT THERE IS A FORM 26 RIGHT.
IF I'M 26 THIS IS JUST AN INTERNAL IT'S AN INTERNAL FORM THAT ALL OFFICERS USE UH TO COMMUNICATE INTERNALLY HERE AND THAT'S WHAT WE REFER TO FORM 26. >> IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO BODY WORN CAMERAS SOME. >> PEOPLE BUT WHAT.
I'M ASKING WITH. REGARD TO BODY WORN CAMERAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE IT SAYS. THIS IS. >> AN PROSECUTOR'S HOLD ON DEPUTY.
SO LOCAL PROSECUTORS SHALL MAKE A REQUEST FOR BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE DIRECTLY TO THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT. SO IS A VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT RIGHT THAT CONTROLS ALL BODY
WORN CAMERAS IN THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT RIGHT. THERE THE KEEPER OF THOSE RIGHT. RIGHT RIGHT. AND IT SAYS THE OFFICER SHALL
DIRECT A SUBPOENA TO THE SUPERVISOR WITH A FORM 26 REGARDING BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. SO MY QUESTION IS WHEN THERE'S
A REQUEST FOR THE BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE. THEY'RE DIRECTED TO USE THE FORM 20:06. >> A.M. I CORRECT. I JUST READ IT TO YOU. YES BECAUSE IT GOES IT EXPLAINS IT'S JUST THAT.
A REPORT NO NO. NO QUESTION RECEIVED DO. USE THE FORM 26 RIGHT AND THE FORM 26 THEN GOES THROUGH WHAT PROCESS. ONCE BUT.
ONCE YOU SEE THE INTERNAL. FORMS NO I. UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTAND. >> THAT SOMEONE. REQUEST WHAT'S THE PROCESS ONCE YOU GET A FORM 26 THAT'S REQUESTING BODY WORN CAMERA
FOOTAGE. SO I. I THINK YOU HAVE TO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SENTENCE IN ITS ENTIRETY IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS. >> SECTION NO. >> NO NO I UNDERSTAND. >> I. UNDERSTAND I. >> JUST. WANT TO KNOW I'M GOING TO. PROTOCOL I'M GOING TO. WHAT DO YOU DO TO YOUR QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT?
I'M GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SO THE POLICY DICTATES THAT PROSECUTOR SHALL MAKE REQUEST DIRECTLY TO THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT. RIGHT. BUT SHOULD AN OFFICER RECEIVE A
SUBPOENA DIRECTLY FOR FOOTAGE THE OFFICER SHALL THEN FORWARD THE SUBPOENA ALONG WITH THE FORM 26 TO THE SUPERVISOR. THE 26 NOTIFIES THE SUPERVISOR THAT THE OFFICER RECEIVED A
REQUEST AND IS PASSING IT ALONG AND THEN THAT GOES TO THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT FOR RESPONSE TO REVIEW TO ENSURE THAT UNDER THE POLICY RELEASE OF THE FOOTAGE IS APPROPRIATE AND THAT WOULD
INCLUDE THE EXEMPTIONS THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. >> AND THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT DOES WHAT ONCE THEY RECEIVE THAT FORM 26 IT'S NOT. >> THE. FORM 26 IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE ATTACHED TO A SUBPOENA.
YOU COULD MISS A LAWYER. THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO THEY DO WITH IT ONCE THEY GIVE IT TO THE VIDEO. IT DEPENDS EVIDENCE. UNIT IT DEPENDS WITH WHAT'S. >> THE. PROTOCOL IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE REQUEST IS AND WHO IS
REQUESTING. NO NO NO SOMEONE. FROM A LOT OF FROM A POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SPRINGFIELD. RIGHT RIGHT. AND SO. WHAT THEN. HAPPENS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET TO. WHAT'S THE PROTOCOL OF HOW IT'S
PROCESSED. >> THEN THAT SUBPOENA WITH THE FORM 26 FROM THE OFFICER GOES TO THE VIA THE REFERENCE UNIT. RIGHT. WE WOULD MOST LIKE GET A CALL IN MY OFFICE WE RECEIVE THIS IS IT OKAY TO RELEASE THIS TO. >> THAT.
DEPARTMENT AND IT'S FOR IF IT'S FOR A LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. RELEASE THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING WITH THE SO SO. NOW THE PHONE 26 GOES DOWN. THERE PARTNER AGENCIES AND
THEY'RE SET UP AUTOMATICALLY ON CASES OUTSIDE DEPARTMENTS ALL OVER THE STATE OR IN ANOTHER STATE I'M SET UP LIKE THAT. SO SO MY FINAL QUESTION.
THE ONLY OFFICERS THAT WILL USE A FORM 26 FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS FOOTAGE. ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT. I KNOW. >> IT'S AN INTERNAL FORM.
I UNDERSTAND AND IT'S IN. BUT THAT'S. >> THE PROCEDURE OF THAT THEY WOULD BEGIN WITH TO MAKE THE REQUEST OF BODY. >> WORN CAMERA. FOOTAGE AND THAT THAT LIMITED THAT LIMITED. THAT THEY'RE. >> DESCRIBING WHERE THEY GOT IT
GOT SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO THEM . THAT'S HOW THEY WOULD MAKE IT MOVE IT INTO THE VIDEO OF ITS UNIT. CAN I GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE SIR? NO, NO THERE MAY BE A. THERE MAY BE. >> A. CIVIL CASE GOING ON IT. CIVIL LAWYERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO
SUBPOENA THINGS. THEY MAKE SOUP. I PLACE OFFICE AND. I WORK WITH. THAT POLICE OFFICER RIGHTS OF 426 SAYING I'VE RECEIVED A SUBPOENA TO SHOW UP AND TESTIFY
AND BRING THIS VIDEO. AND IF HIS BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE IT WOULD THEN GO TO THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THE OFFICER COULD. >> GET. THAT RIGHT. >> AND THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT
WOULD THEN SEND IT TO YOU. THEY POTENTIALLY MIGHT BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION IF IT. DOESN'T COME TO YOUR ATTENTION. MY QUESTION WHERE DOES IT GO? DOES IT WORK ITS WAY UP TO THE
COMMISSIONER TO APPROVE IT? THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN. COUNSELOR, I THINK JUST. >> CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE THING BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED. YOU MENTIONED. >> THAT. YOU MENTIONED THE SECTION ON
THE BIAS BUREAU CHIEF AND. ALLOWING PEOPLE GOT. ACCESS OF ALL. >> THE. I JUST. >> WANT TO. >> MAKE SURE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT THAT. MEANS OKAY. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. WHEN THE. >> FIREARMS DISCHARGE INVESTIGATIVE TEAM GOES OUT AND
INVESTIGATES ANY DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM, THE OFFICER'S BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE IMMEDIATELY TAKEN AND IT'S UPLOADED AND THE VIDEO EVIDENCE REPRESENTATIVE WHO COMES TO THE SCENE
IMMEDIATELY RESTRICTS. ACCESS TO THAT TO A VERY LIMITED GROUP USUALLY THE INVESTIGATIVE TEAM WHAT THIS WHAT THAT SAYS THERE WHEN IT MENTIONS THE BIS CHIEF IS THAT
I HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND THAT GROUP IF PERHAPS THEY ADDED INVESTIGATORS OR SOMEONE ELSE THAT HAD A NEED AND RIGHT TO KNOW WITHIN THE INVESTIGATIVE TEAM I CAN ADD TO IT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT ACCESS.
MEANS IN THAT CASE IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING PUBLICLY OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT MEANS WHO CAN WHO CAN SEE IT WITHIN THE INVESTIGATIVE TEAM AND THE IDEA IS TO KEEP IT A VERY SMALL GROUP SO THAT WE'RE
ABLE TO WORK THE INVESTIGATION WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE WITHOUT OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT HAVING ACCESS TO IT AND THE YOU KNOW, THE RISK THAT GOES ALONG WITH. BUT THAT'S WHAT ANYBODY WANT
CAMERA THEY BRING IT IN TO UPLOAD IT. BUT NO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN AN OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT IS UPLOADED AND THEN IMMEDIATELY RESTRICTED SO I COULD AND IF I WANTED TO GO
WATCH A BODY WORN CAMERA FROM AN INCIDENT YESTERDAY NOT NOT AN OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING AND I WANTED TO GO IN THERE, I COULD GO IN AND LOOK UNDER THE I KNOW THE INCIDENT NUMBER. I COULD LOOK UNDER THE OFFICER AND I COULD PULL THAT VIDEO UP
AND I COULD WATCH IT ALL RIGHT. IN THE CASE OF AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT IS IMMEDIATELY RESTRICTED SO THAT NOBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT CAN LOOK AT IT WITHIN WITH EXCEPT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GIVEN
ACCESS AS INVESTIGATORS OR AGAIN UNDER UNDER MY AUTHORITY OR THE COMMISSIONER IF HE TOLD ME TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO ADD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A PARTICULAR REASON, MAYBE THE
INVESTIGATIVE GROUP GOT BIGGER. UH, MAYBE THERE'S SOME REASON THAT WE HAVE TO ADD SOMEBODY IN THERE. SO THAT'S I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT THAT'S NOT ABOUT RELEASING THAT IS ONLY ABOUT A LIMITED ACCESS AND
OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING. THAT'S TO UPLOAD IT. NO IT'S UPLOADED IT'S. LOCKED IN ITS UPLOAD AND IT'S LOCKED. DOWN RIGHT OKAY. AND THEN IT'S JUST AS I SAID SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE CAN SEE
THAT OTHER OUTSIDE OF THAT NOBODY IN THE DEPARTMENT. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS IF AN OFFICER BASED ON 4.2 WANTED TO
THEN SEE HIS OWN BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, WOULD HE BE ABLE TO SEE WITH HIS LAWYER THE. OFFICER YET NOT WITHOUT GIVEN BEING GIVEN.
ACCESS SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT GROUP THAT HAVE ACCESS ON AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING A DISCHARGE IS IS VERY SMALL. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE SUPERVISOR IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION?
YES IT. DOES AND SO THE SUPERVISOR IN CHARGE OF THE INVESTIGATION COULD THEN SAY OFFICER NOW YOU CAN GO IN WITH YOUR ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT THE BODY WORN CAMERA
OF THE SHOOTING THAT YOU WERE INVOLVED IN. WELL ACCORDING TO THIS RULE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN YES. BUT AS I SAID. >> TO. COUNCILOR LOUIJEUNE IN THE CASE OF A FATAL OR A LIKELY TO DIE WHERE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE IS EXERTING THEIR THEIR AUTHORITY AS THE OVERALL LEAD OF THE INVESTIGATION, THEIR POLICY IS IN THOSE CASES THAT THE OFFICER IS NOT ALLOWED TO WATCH THAT VIDEO BEFORE THEY
GIVE A STATEMENT. SO THERE IS THERE IS AN EXCEPTION. IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN OUR RULE. BECAUSE OF WHAT IT SAYS HERE BUT IT'S. THEIR POLICY. SO I SAID IT. EARLIER HERE. SO COUNCILOR. >> YOU DO BRING UP A GOOD POINT. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RULES AND STUFF.
SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS ARE HIGHLIGHTED I CAN TELL YOU THE RULES IS GOING TO BE CHANGED FOR FLAHERTY I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW. >> IS THIS ONE THAT'S GOING TO BE CHANGED FOR FLAHERTY. FOR FLAHERTY BECAUSE THE FACT IS WHEN YOU GO AND READ
SOMETHING IT IS AND IT'S NOT CLEAR SOMETIMES TO DOUBT INTERNALLY WE THINK THINGS ARE CLEAR ALL THE TIME. EXTERNALLY IT MIGHT NOT BE SO WE WILL ABSOLUTELY REVIEW IT WHICH I SAID BEFORE WE REVIEW
ALL OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS WHEN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ACCREDITED PART OF ACCREDITATION IS THAT YOU HAVE TO REVIEW ALL YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE UP TO DATE BEST PRACTICES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM AND IT TAKES TIME TO GO THROUGH. >> THE RULES.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH A. FEW OF THEM. >> WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THIS ONE THEN ABSOLUTELY TRY TO MAKE IT CLEAR BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY INTERNALLY WRITTEN FOR OUR INTERNAL. AUDIENCE. >> BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM UH A LITTLE BIT CLEARER FOR EXTERNAL. AUDIENCES.
>> AND COMMISSIONER APPRECIATE TO. I LOVE YOUR COUNCIL COUNCIL APPRECIATE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE THE GOALS OF THESE KIND OF SESSIONS TO WEED OUT
WHAT NEEDS TO BE. WORKED ON. YOU HEARD. COUNCIL WILL WELL CALL FOR A WORKING SESSION. AND TO LOOK AT WHAT'S NOT CLEAR SO IT CAN BE CLARIFIED. >> SO IN. FUTURE CASES WE KNOW EXACTLY
HOW. THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> IS GOING TO OPERATE. >> SO I. APPRECIATE YOU AND WE'VE. GOT A. >> FEW THINGS WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON OURSELVES AND FOR THAT ORDINANCES. BUT JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY I KNOW YOU GOT A MILLION THINGS TO DO AND UH,
I. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING. MY PHONE CALL EVERY TIME I CALL YOU, YOU ANSWER MY PHONE. I APPRECIATE. >> YOU. BECAUSE THAT SPEAKS TO SOME OF THE THINGS. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW ACCURATE THAT IS, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW.
I APPRECIATE YOU. THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> AND WE APPRECIATE ME WHEN I ANSWER IT'S OKAY. YEAH YEAH. I KNOW BUT YOU ALWAYS DO. SO YOU SCORE 100 ON THAT ONE.
YEAH I UH I MY WIFE IS HAVE SAY THE SAME I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWER FOR ANYBODY I MEAN A LOT OF MEETINGS. SO BUT BUT THE INTENT IS GOOD SO. YEAH YEAH I THINK YEAH I THINK
OUR GOAL IS JUST TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON WHETHER WE NEED SOME ORDINANCES, WHETHER WE NEED AND WE'LL BE TALKING WITH YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS IN OUR WORK IN SESSION. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.
THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CULPEPER. UM, I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY UM, CENTRAL STAFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE, UM, WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO PUBLIC TRANSIT, UH, PUBLIC TESTIMONY. UM, SO I REALLY DO WANT TO. >> THANK MY COLLEAGUES. I WANT TO THANK THE.
>> LEAGUE SPONSORS, COUNCILOR, UM, CULPEPER AND COUNCILOR. WELL, UM, FOR BRINGING THIS UM, HEARING ORDER. UM. AND I WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS, UH. >> FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING WITH US. UH THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. UM, I THINK AS. >> MY.
COLLEAGUES MENTIONED, WE KNOW YOU'RE. BUSY, UM, AND. RUNNING A DEPARTMENT. SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. HERE THIS MORNING. UM. >> THIS HEARING. >> ON DOCKET. >> NUMBER. 0638 IS ADJOURNED.